Nobody has responded to this, so at least it's not obviously stupid. :-)
So my question ow is: How to I create a proposal? Is there a right you need
to have, because even when I'm logged in I don't see any obvious way of
doing it, and I can't find any instructions in any of the documents of how
There is currently a poposal to make MailHost transactional, so you can be
sure that you sent the mail. However, when you have multiple recipients,
that doesn't solve the problem, because then you actually get half done
transactions.
Smtplib.SMTP.sendmail is nice enough to send back a list of
visitor that one address didn't work, as long as
another one did.
So maybe it's not much of a problem. I still don't like it though, which is
why I'd like the option of selecting the behaviour. :-)
- Original Message -
From: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED
From: Trevor Toenjes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I like the idea of having this capability.
Having the option to integrate it into sendmail or as a standalone
scrubber
would be ideal. Could this become a product?
Uhm, no, I don't think so. This is more a question of weather to add an
option to make
From: Oliver Bleutgen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, for your use you could just hardcode some permission groups and
include them in the dtml-file which resembles zopes security screen.
A little bit javascript and selecting one of your groups would
automagically be checked when you check one of your
Hi all!
I tried to figure out how to report bugs and stuff without the collector,
but couldn't find anything. Any official way?
Anyway, I found this minor bug in FileStorage.py. If you try to pack a db
with a packdate that is earlier than the date of the first object in the
database, you get a
From: Andrew Kenneth Milton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Noone from Zope Corp seems to monitor the list to help out.
That is not my experience at all. I have received answers from Zope corps
several times. But sure, most of the answers you get come from the community
members. Thats what a community is all
From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1. We can build something better. I can list requirements but that's not
relevent here. However, this will take serious
effort (it's a hard problem...) and as we know from bitter experience,
things that need serious effort either don't
happen, take far
I've been trying to get updated and maybe even involved in the efforts take
make Zope translatable, but failed. Are there such an effort going on
seriously or have it died? The ZIP list is totally dead at least...
I have some knowledge about the area since earlier work with creating easily
After the discussion here I'm slowly starting to form a picture in my mind
of how to solve the problems.
First some basic facts of life:
- Zope corp needs to do what Zope corp thinks it can make money on.
- We (that is the Zope community) need to get some features into the base
of Zope because:
From: Dieter Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here are some things that I feel should be introduced into Zope:
- Workflow support. (Because everybody needs it)
You know DCWorkflow?
Yes. I think it should be moved off CMF and into Zope proper.
- Versioning. (Because it's hard to do as a
From: Clark O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If ZC is the benefactor of zope, why can't they
develop a plan that is independent of day to day money
making?
If ZC is this little company that does not have the
resources to provide true leadership, then why does
Zope need them?
What would Linux be
From: Clark O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In my opinion all the revenue generated from Zope
should go to you guys to fund more great projects.
It already does. You see, Zope if free. It doesn't generate any revenue.
Maybe you missed that.
Anyone got a problem with that?
Not at all. In a way I
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 12:28:25AM +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
Does Linux need Linus? Yes.
Linus disagrees with you. From
http://kerneltrap.org/article.php?sid=398
He is wrong.
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From: Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- The new component architecture is having a very positive impact. Deep
multiple inheritance is a thing of the past.
Oh, DARN! I've been holding Zope up as an example that multiple inheritence
DOES work to the people who religiously claim otherwise! :-)
From: Robert Rottermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What I believe however, it should make no difference which of the two
approaches is used.
As far as I can understand, ZBabel uses a database to store the
translations. Is this correct?
That approach is for obvious reasons not useful when translating
From: Dirk Datzert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Normally your data will be stored in the ZODB ZBabelTower
Fine, but that is also useless for translating Zope core, unfortunately.
It is good for translating webpages though, so both this and storing it on
the filesystem must be availiable, simultaneously in
From: Dirk Datzert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lennart Regebro schrieb:
Fine, but that is also useless for translating Zope core,
Why ? I dont't understand this ! I have translated thr OFS of Zope on my
system
working very well.
Because if you delete the Data.fs the translations go away. If you have
From: Dirk Datzert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For this update is a mechanims on XML-RPC design. There will be a
ZBabelMasterTower on the internet where you can download any translation
which is available on the net. Simple click on synchronize and thats it.
That is both more complicated and error
From: Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Beginning of January somewhere in Europe. However, as I understand it, it
will NOT be a public event, since the goal is to produce workable Zope 3
code.
Thats fine by me. I don't know who are involved in the different
localization projects and who to talk
From: Can Canbilek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Öncelikle rahatsýz ediyorsak özür dileriz ama bu maili okursanýz sanýrým
bize teþekkür edeceksiniz. Sizlere, hiçbir masraf yapmadan yalnýzca
internete girerek para kazanacaðýnýzý iddia ediyoruz.
Oh, yeah? Well you aint that pretty yourself!
Hiçbir yalan
From: Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmm... no, I dont think there's a call to get the virtual root.
Although I imagine it would be pretty simple to add.
Yes it is.
This works with SiteAccessEnhanced (where EASY_VHM has to be the name if the
host monster)
From: Roy Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How would I use a pathname comprising more than one element in a
dtml-var expression.
You put the path to the image inside quotes, and have dots as path
separators:
dtml-var Images.x_gif
And of course, then you can't use filenames with dots, and no, it won't
We at Torped are interested, and we *can't* host it, which seems to make us
unique in this. :-)
- Original Message -
From: Paul Everitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: [ez] DISCUSS: Eurosprint in February
Howdy. Eurozope has
Oops. Wrong list, the discussion should be on the eurozope list...
My mistake.
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From: Paul Everitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/SprintSched
ule
Boy, that URL is too long.
Hey, at least it's not http://dev.zope.org/foobar?grok=blahablaha.nsf%
doc=876H97098788798u798707087556234023462078 .
You gotta see the positive
I quite often use URLs that end in a slash (in fact, I prefer it that way,
since I then can add methods easily without having to care about if the url
is the root '/' or another object). This got me into trouble, though, since
unrestrictedtraverse can't handle URLs that end in a slash.
I have
I found seceral seemingly up to date docuemnts claiming that both
PersistentMapping and PersistentList exists and is included with Zope.
However, I couldn't find PersistentList, so I thought that it had been added
after 2.3.3, which I am using.
So I checked the CVS. Nope, nothing there.
So whats
From: Jeremy Hylton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andrew Kuchling wrote a PersistentList for his StandaloneZODB. I
think it would be a good idea to include in ZODB eventually, but
haven't gotten around to integrating it. IIRC, Jim wasn't sure he
wanted it in ZODB.
Well, *I* want it. :-)
I'm using the
From: Bjorn Stabell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, this would be similar to the approach used by the PortableHole
product.
Does this have anything to do with Bonk Business' Localized Black Hole
technology?
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I wholeheartedly agree that 2.6 needs to be significantly a community
effort. While I know that many people are engaged in the Zope 3 effort,
we also need to get some people engaged on defining and producing
2.6 in the interim. There is not much on the plan right now, so the
possibilities
From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.6/ProposedFeatures
I tried to capture who volunteered for what, but please look
this over and let me know if I have you volunteered for something
that you didn't mean to volunteer for :) You can also fix it
but gotta dive in and make some changes to this menu.
It depends on what type of change you want to make.
This menu does not exist in it's finished form anywhere in the code, but it
it's contents are created each time you view it, and modified depending on
several parameters. So modifying it is
Are you planning to up the python version to 2.2? Because in that case I'd
be happy to put in Authentication support in MailHost. Smtplib.py in 2.1.2
doesn't support authentication.
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From: Anthony Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does machine mean? The host running the ZEO server? The host
running the ZEO client? What about those of us who run multiple ZEO
clients
on the same machine (multi-cpu, test instances, whatever)...
I think it should show the site name, ie,
The machine should, in my opinion, be the domain you are logged in on. I.e,
if you are authenticated for domain www.foobar.com:1001, thats what it
should say, according to an internal survey here at Torped (that means me
and Johan). :-)
It would be nice to have it configurable, but I'm not sure
I don't know how people are currently using Zope with 2.2.
Well, I guess I could make a check for the Zope version, so not to tie up
Zope 2.6 to Python 2.2.
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I get this message when starting Zope 2.5.1b1 on Windows 98:
2002-03-18T19:32:15 INFO(0) z2 Your umask of 000 may be too permissive; for
the
security of your Zope data, it is recommended you use 077
That's rather silly on Windows 98. :-)
A couple of questions:
- Should that really be 077? That
that this had some type of compatibility issue. If thats the
case, how do you suggest we fix it?
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro
Torped Strategi och Kommunikation AB
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From: Behrens Matt - Grand Rapids [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Second, you are confusing umasks with modes. When you create a file on
UNIX its modes are 0666 umask, directory 0777 umask.
Oh, yeah, right...
Yes, but it's not silly to check for os.name == 'posix', which I will
fix on my own time
From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I propose that we could add a new field type with a name
like optional_date. The converter handler for that type could
handle an empty field in whatever way we feel is reasonable,
without breaking existing applications. (Let the fight over
reasonable
From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree. I'd specify this by saying:
o An empty string sent from a browser for an optional_date
field is interpreted as a null (not specified) value
o The internal representation of an optional_date (the
value you find in the REQUEST after
From: seb bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But we come back to the point that you may be logged into one of (say) 3
app servers (ZEO clients) all serving the same domain, no?
Yes, maybe then this could be added to the information somehow?
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to let Florent implement the local roles
blacklist instead of doing it ourselves :-), I'd rather wait for workgroups
than standard groups. In any case Johan and me would be very happy to help
Florent and the others at Nuxeo implement it groups and blacklists.
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro
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From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sure. The property forms just need to do the equivalent
of:
dtml-if theDate
dtml-var theDate fmt=somthing
/dtml-if
I know that this is a style issue to some
Yeah, it's not the most neat solution. But it works...
So, to summarize:
The new field type,
From: Jim Penny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I now have two kinds of administrators, and two kinds of users.
An interesting case. If I understand it correctly, with our workgroups
scheme,the restricted administrators would have administration rights on a
workgroup. They would then be able to create users
From: Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No no no ! With NUG the Roles added to a group are still added at the
local role level, which means that the 'bosses' group only has a Boss
role where you want it.
Yes, of course. But what I was aiming at is that all the Bosses have Boss
right at all
.
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro
Torped Strategi och Kommunikation AB
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From: Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- I really don't like the term groups or workgroups for what you have,
because I see them as mappings between two kinds of concepts (the
users and the roles) whereas groups implies only one kind of thing.
Well, they are collections of user, and
From: Douglas Carnall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If I am right, then this is an FAQ. Each time I answer it, I plaintively
wonder aloud why the -D flag would be the default, but I am generally
ignored.
One reason is that without it, the server prints out nothing at all at
startup, which is confusing to
From: Steve Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Or, add a new zope is started message that is logged at a severity
IMPORTANT_MESSAGE, which is at the same level as a PROBLEM.
The level could be somewhere inbetween INFO and PROBLEM, which would make
more sense, I think.
Still I'd rather see the level
From: Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. The default level for stupid_log_file should be to print INFO and
higher messages. Today the default is only to print PROBLEM and higher.
No, the default is to log INFO (0) messages and higher.
Ah, OK. Yes, you are probably correct. The default
From: William Trenker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One design consideration is how much to rely on CSS. Looking under the
hood (ie, viewing the source) for some of these slick designs reveals
modest to sophisticated dependence on CSS. But I think the days of
worrying how it's going to look on Netscape
From: Rossen Raykov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Shall the dump help the regular surfer? I doubt so.
Shall it benefit the developer or the tester? Most probably not since they
are not performing their activities on the production site.
Oh, they most definitely help the developer or tester, because
From: Richard Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Because the Zope logging functionality is really quite poor? Ever asked
yourself why it's called stupid logging?
It isn't. It's the logging to a file thats called stupid file log. Thats
because it is just one file that events get logged in. It's a rather
From: Oliver Bleutgen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think zope's management methods (the potentially destructive ones)
should not accept REQUESTs with REQUEST_METHOD GET.
Do you have any proposal for how to go about doing this?
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From: Oliver Bleutgen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was thinking more of something like adding the checks individually to
each method in stock zope for which it is appropriate.
Brian is of course right in his other mail by stating that this might
and will break custom products which use the wrong
From: Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My point is how do you disinguish dtml-var foo meaning Call foo
passing everything from the namespace that maps to an arg from
dtml-var foo meaning Call foo passing everything, but foo doesn't use
anything from dtml-var foo Call foo and foo takes no
From: Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also do we want all folders to be ordered by default ?
I wouldn't want this. I don't know how ordered folder works nowadays, but I
want it sorted on name by default.
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From: Jason Spisak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think Oliver's point about transaction safety is a big win.
I might convince them just on that. But I'm still looking for
more ammunition.
Basic things from the top of my head:
- Full OO = short development time = cheaper development.
- Integrated
From: Joachim Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OrderedFolder is not about having an ordered default view in the
management
interface.
I know that. Still, you do get an ordered default view with OrderedFolder
(unless something changed very recently).
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From: Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Standard Folders are *explicitly* sorted by name by default, so the fact
that the underlying objectValues() returns ordered objects is of no
consequence here.
So the UI is sorted by default, but objectValues is ordered? Perfect!
And this is Dirk's fault, rather than a horrible mis-feature of Outlook
Express?
It's a stupid misfeature. If you reply to something that is signed, it
assume you want to sign yours. You can (at least in OE6) deselect this and
send anyway, but it's annoying. Worse is, tha unless you open the
I have had a couple of problems with an object managers self._objects
getting out of sync with reality, so that it keeps the wrong names or the
wrong meta_types in the _objects list.
Is there an update function that you could call to make it scrap this list
and rebuild it?
It would be nice I
From: Jeffrey P Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Basically, if you don't trust _objects, how do you get the list of actual
subobjects?
abel deuring suggested that I would check for a meta_tag attribute on the
attributes. That might work I guess?
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In Zope 2.3.3 we did this with ZCatalog, on a field index:
query['effective_date'] = ['', DateTime.now()]
query['effective_date_usage'] = 'range:max'
This returns all records where the effective_date is lower than todays date
OR the effective_date is an empty string.
In
with this.
Possible None could be used too, but then I need to convert None to '' for
displaying. Somthing that could be done with the OptionalDateTime fields
discussed for Zope 2.6.
I could live with The Ugly Hack if I know this will be fixed The Right Way
in Zope 2.6. :-)
Best Regards
Lennart
I'm not using it, and will never use it, so why does Zope 2.5.1 always
create one for me?
Grrr. Highly annoying. :-[
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From: Steve Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From Zope 2.5.1, I can write a Python Product that expects
standard_template.pt to exist.
I dont see the purpose of that. Checking that is exists is trivial if you
need it.
I don't. I want to get rid of it, thankyouverymuch.
Guess I'll just have to
Regards
Lennart Regebro
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?
I don't know how search engines like Google handles this situation,
Search engines follow links. Unless you display a looping link to them, they
won't find it, and hence, it's not a problem.
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro
Torped Strategi och Kommunikation AB
From: Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, I'm not so enthusiastic about it. Implicit acquisition in URLs
leads to subtle bugs. One thing that just about every Zope site does is
acquire images using a simple relative URL, but that makes the images
much less cacheable.
Not if you do it
if the user has the
permission or not!
I have create a role that has all permission in the root. All permissions
are aqcuired over the whole site (which is a very small development site),
and still the above returns None!
So, is there something magic about the Manager role?
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro
something that is imported.
Has anybody seen this?
Zope 2.5.1/Python 2.1.3
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro
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', this) it works!
Thanks for the nonexistent support. ;-)
Well, explaining the problem to somebody else helps sometimes even if they
have no clue what you are talking about, so... :-)
Still no luck with the strange refresh problems though...
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro
Torped Strategi och
From: Adrian Hungate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've seen this under 2.5.0, but I don't recall seeing it under 2.3.x or
2.4.x
Any ideas to why it's happening? (I'm using Zope 2.5.1).
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From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I suggest we leave this one deferred then, as I really
would like any changes to the security architecture to
be strongly informed by Zope3 work.
I'm pretty sure it *is* informed, to be honest. :-)
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From: R. David Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, since as far as I know there hasn't been any real Z3 work on
groups, and not much discussion (recently, at least), I suspect
having Florent get in there and push is the best way to get Z3 and
Z2 in sync on the subjectgrin.
Eggsactly. :-)
I
From: William Trenker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've read the various tutorials and have successfully used Zope with the
Python debugger. But, of course, I can't have my production Zope running
and the debugger running at the same time unless I get Zeo going. But is
there another way? Is it
the PropertySheets class for this, and
if yes, does anybody have any example code, becuase it's not immediately
obvious how to use it.
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro
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management tabs. I've done a lot of
experimenting, but everytime I get management tabs I also get the default
properties, no matter what view I'm on...
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro
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From: Sebastian Sippl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I send my request, the only things I get back are some MYBRAnI
instance at #123848-tags.
Thats what you get back from catalog queries. Each brain is a small object
that has all the meta-data you have indexed in the catalog as properties.
It's done
From: Sebastian Sippl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
return context.cata({'content' : id,
'date' : DateTime()-7,
'date_usage' : 'range:min',
})
I always get back all catalog items.
You should get back all items that have a date that is set to after
DateTime()-7
From: Ross Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I thought this list was for developers, including product developers,
while the other was for zope users. Isn't that the case?
Nope, but its hould be for product developers, because there isn't one. :-)
It seems natural to allow some of these options to
From: Adrian Hungate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Erm... that trashes the concept of mixin's, doesn't it?
No, why would it? Just make your mixins inherit Extentionclass.base!
If you have third-party mixins that aren't made for Zope from the beginning
and need initailization, then you probably have to
Has anybody any experience or insight into the FactoryDispatcher, and
specifically in it's __getattr__?
Really specifically: Why the does the FactoryDispatchers __getattr__
get called when I make a on a subobject of the object with the
FactoryDispatcher?
1. I'm not doing the getattr on the
From: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ups, really not my fault. Zope 2.4 still requires 1.5.X
We didn't upgrade Easy Publisher from 2.3.3 to 2.4 because of the switch to
Python 2.X, so no, I don't think so. You need coffee. :-)
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. :-)
Make objects of everything instead, and thank me later. :-)
Then you index the objects in a ZCatalog so you can do searches.
Best Regards
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From: Florent Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As Jim said, If we want to get this into 2.6, we need to move quickly.
I want it in. It's so amazingly useful, that I want it. 2.6 is moving so
slow anyway, that I don't see it as a big problem.
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro, Torped
http
help I
can get. Any stupid ideas or thoughts are welcome. I HAVE to fix this.
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro, Torped
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of the following are you doing?
- Making one product depend on another using import statements
- Monkey-patching
- Storing a module-level cache
The we of course do tons of semi-magick things, but these we typically do in
products that we don't have any problems with. :-)
Best Regards
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, then it can be included. I
think that would also prevent some drag, because now we decided on which
features should be included, and several of them wasn't finished.
Best Regards
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, FooProduct will be refreshed immediately
after.
Of course. I can refresh every product in the universe, but it doens't help.
:-)
The code called is still old, non-refreshed, and has all imports set to
None.
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro, Torped
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confused by this?
Best Regards
Lennart Regebro, Torped
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to factor out the common modules to a third
product. :-)
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From: Arndt Droullier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How can I save the list/dictionaries after changes?
The easiest thing to do is to is to use PersistentMapping and
PersistentList.
Create them in __init__ with self.dictionary = PersistentMapping() instead
of setting them as a class attribute.
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Lennart Regebro, Torped
http://www.easypublisher.com/
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it?
It's hard to give solutions when you don't know the problem. :-)
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From: Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nope it is not. In a normal method you can access something acquired
like this:
self.acquired_value.
I often do just that. :-) I'm not 100% sure what you need to include for
that to work, but I would expect that it is Aqcuisition.Implicit.
The
From: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I assume, it should...smeels like a but - file a collector issue please
to remind me.
Done! I brutally assigned it to you directly. Hope that's OK. :-)
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