Re: [talk-ph] another road renamed, another border duspute
Hi guys, sorry, i can hardly follow up anymore. I made the mistake to join three global OSM-talk-groups (talk, talk-legal and legal-general) and since then my inbox is BLOW AWAY by incomming traffic :/ Reg. the matter at hand: It is in fact a little bit tricky. Buendia Ave is tagged Senator Gil Puyat on a large strip now. Hmm. To be honest - and this is nothing against Senator Puyat - but I absolutely dont know anyone who calls that Street Puyat rather than Buendia. At least not the Makati portion of it. I think it should be name= and alt_name= for the names commonly used, i.e. the name ppl on the street actually use for that street. The rederers should display them as something like [name]([alt_name]), which they dont do yet, afaik. old_name= should be used for a former name, that is commonly accepted as derelicted. A tag new_name= might be used for a new name, that has not yet been commonly adopted ... and then eventually become alt_name, then name. OSM is a living map,that will adopt changes in the realworld at any time. Displaying historic names (i.e. names that fall under old_name=) on the normal map will make it confusing. For a historic map, someone should create a special historic-renderer. (That's the good thing about OSM, that you can use the data in many different ways.) Cheers Soren -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Gesendet: 17.12.08 03:31:20 An: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com CC: OSM talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [talk-ph] another road renamed, another border duspute Can't see why not. On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Can we invent a new tag? Something like old_name_until=2008 to go with old_name? Some names are so old (like Gov. Forbes for A.H. Lacson Ave. in Sampaloc or even Dewey Boulevard for Roxas Boulevard) that most people don't know them anymore. Renderers can then render the name of the street like name (old name) and dropping out the (old name) part if the old name is more than X years old, where X is a renderer-specified number. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:51 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: In updating renamed roads, can we add alternate names like old_name:Timog Avenue name:GMA Drive Or something similar to that effect? For instance Gil Puyat is still popularly known as Buendia (Boonja in some foreign-made-highly-inaccurate-maps) On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:16 PM, ian lopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote: From what I had read in the recent days, 11th Jamboree Street from eds to Timog Avenue is now known as GMA Drive. This is similar to renaming Scout Albano to Eugenio Lopez, Jr. Drive a few years back. Also, portions of Barangay San Lorenzo are being relocated to Barangays Pio del Pilar and Bangkal, whcih is technically illegal (in my opinion), since it needs a law to be passed by both houses of Congress and the President's signature for it to be oficial. I'm not concerned with the motives behind it. Rather, I'm putting this up as a reminder: don't move the boundaries (for now). These challenges for us isn't that exciting anyway. But I'm posting it for information's sake. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fiesta Carnival no more?
Hi, I just filed a bug that Fiesta Carnival in Cubao is now removed: http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/rssitem?id=38563 Based on this report http://baratillo.net/?p=717 Is this true? Lots of childhood memories there :(. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transportrouting maps based on OpenStreetMap data?
There have been some efforts in NL http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/~rubke/fietskaart/index.html?zoom=12lat=52.03647lon=4.35335layers=BTFFT Integrated map with bicycle map as a separate label. We struggle with color associations in dense areas especially when multiple buses use the same roads. Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Frederik Ramm Verzonden: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:33 AM Aan: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason CC: Talk Openstreetmap Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps based on OpenStreetMap data? Hi, Melchior Moos has done an OSM public transport map for Germany: http://81.89.97.206/oepv.html Just map, no routing. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-nl mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps based onOpenStreetMap data?
Andrew Turner blogged on The State of Transit Routing the other day. See: http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/12/the-state-of-transit-routing.html Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of Peter Miller Sent: Wed 12/17/2008 2:29 AM To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason Cc: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps based onOpenStreetMap data? On 16 Dec 2008, at 23:30, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I'm interested in completely mapping my city bus network, it would be great if there was some online routing application that I could go to that could plan my routes. Of course I'd have to provide it with sufficient survey information to do this, which would be part of mapping it obviously. Routing applications based on OSM data also have the opportunity to do inter-network routing. You could step onto a bus in one city, take a rail to another one, inter-city bus to yet another city, then a bus and walk on a footway to your destination. All based on OSM data. I am very interested in such an application and have taken some time to see what is happening around the world. Graphserver seems to be the application of choice for route planning and it can work with OSM data and with public transport schedules often in a Google Transit format. See the 'Multimodal Shortest Path Tree of Bay Are' example in their gallery which uses OSM and google transit data: http://graphserver.sourceforge.net/gallery.html Here is a reference to a public transport route planner that uses OSM data and Google Transit but I can't find a deployment. SITI: a multimodal journey planner based on open source software and 'de facto' standards Our project demonstrates that this barrier can be overcome from very small budgets. We have developed a completely open source solution for a multimodal door to door public transport information system based on several 'de facto' standards and open source packages. Our prototype is simple and scalable, enabling the deployment of multimodal journey planners with a wide range of scope, from metropolitan to international coverage. First of all, the cartography is based on Openstreetmap (OSM), [snip] We have chosen Google Transit Feed Specification (GTFS) as data exchange format for public transport information. GTFS is the format developed by Google for its multimodal journey planner Google Transit. We also have demonstrated how to export the full timetable database of a real public transport operator like ETM (Empresa de Transport Metropolità de València) to GTFS, enabling route calculation both from our prototype and from Google Transit. The route calculation is performed by Graphserver, an open source package distributed under a BSD license, written in C and Ruby. We have extensively extended Graphserver to improve its integration with OSM and GTFS, and to incorporate human readable driving directions http://year.fehrl.org/?m=3mode=downloadid=321 I have just found this one, that also uses OSM and Graphserver for a community based transit journey planner for Toronto: In fact, almost all the tools we’ve used to build MyTTC are open source. The trip planner is based on Brandon Martin-Anderson’s excellent graphserver library, using data from both MyTTC and the OpenStreetMap project, an open source mapping initiative. Nearly everything was written using the powerful and elegant Ruby language under merb, along with a host of other open source tools from databases to webservers. The open source nature of our tools have enabled us to not only customize and improve them, but we’ve also had the opportunity to send those improvements back upstream. http://metronauts.ca/2008/11/10/myttc/ Can I suggest that one takes a layering approach to this (as the professional transport sector does) and some layers belong in OSM and some not... Firstly the bus stops (or more generally 'stop 'points) which is where one physically accesses the transport system which should be point features within OSM. Secondly the routes the vehicles take which traveling on the network to get from stop point to stop point. In most cases this is obvious, but in a limited
Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps based onOpenStreetMap data?
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:29:56 + Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: On 16 Dec 2008, at 23:30, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I'm interested in completely mapping my city bus network, it would be great if there was some online routing application that I could go to that could plan my routes. Of course I'd have to provide it with sufficient survey information to do this, which would be part of mapping it obviously. Routing applications based on OSM data also have the opportunity to do inter-network routing. You could step onto a bus in one city, take a rail to another one, inter-city bus to yet another city, then a bus and walk on a footway to your destination. All based on OSM data. I am very interested in such an application and have taken some time to see what is happening around the world. It's the main application I had in mind when I got into online mapping a few years back. http://busmonster.com was particularly inspirational for me. Can I suggest that one takes a layering approach to this (as the professional transport sector does) and some layers belong in OSM and some not... Yes, timetabling probably doesn't belong. Firstly the bus stops (or more generally 'stop 'points) which is where one physically accesses the transport system which should be point features within OSM. Could you elaborate on this? Reuse existing nodes on ways? Point features as opposed to what? Are you stressing within OSM? Secondly the routes the vehicles take which traveling on the network to get from stop point to stop point. In most cases this is obvious, but in a limited number of cases one will need to include route points that are not stop points. These might use the route relation and detail every way that is involved for every route, but this is more detail than a route planner needs that can work out most stop to stop routing without guidance. I have been (mostly) following the guidelines on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route, where we use a relation, which principally includes ways and the stops (which sit adjacent as nodes as I've done them), as members. Then your problem goes away. (It's admittedly a little sad to have to break up ways for routing. I'm also conscious that other mappers further dissecting them will probably break the relation, but I think that might be an issue for the API to address :~) ) Including detailed routing in OSM means that it has to be updated every time the schedules change. The schedules? or the route? Whichever, remember there are currently mappers embedding business phone numbers as shop metadata. All of the rest of the data can then be in Google Transit Feed Specification (an open source data standard controlled by Google) and can feed GraphServer or equivalent for route planning. GT is not perfect and can't represent complex rail journeys but it is open source and there is data available already in it that can be used and it is a good starting point: http://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/PublicFeeds Ewww, CSV serialisations requiring their own purpose-built validator … Like you say, we can build from it. Let's look through the fields/elements, but make something proper and scalable that leverages XML as it should. I am not sure how one would explicitly refer to the schedules file from OSM. Possibly all the stop points in a area would be part of a 'network' relation that that network relation would refer to the external schedules file using a 'schedules' URL. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Network Works for me. Would it be useful to create a list for discussion of public transport applications within OSM. Could I suggest a title of 'talk-transit' or should this conversation be part of the 'talk-routing' list? Including PT routing in the talk-routing list might make some sense because there is always a walking element to the routing and people interested in routing may also be interested in PT routing. I certainly think this conversation needs a 'home' that is off the main talk list which is too busy already. +1, preferably for a separate list. I'm not sure how welcome transit discussion would be on the routing list. (I'm curently subscribed to it only on the off-chance some transit material will surface.) I have been under the impression there isn't too much interest for this within OSM, judging by the paucity of activity on the lists and content on the wiki. I think it's another potential killer app for OSM. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) andrewc-email-li...@piffle.org wrote: I feel really silly for having missed this thread earlier. It's a corker, with a real live BAN POTLATCH!!! and everything. People who'd like to test osm2go out on the desktop (and, ahem, like to build things from source, and are running a recent Debian-based system) might like to try out: svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osm2go/branches/ports/debian I'll just point out that I got the trunk version working fine on Ubuntu without modifications, so people shouldn't be afraid to try it out. There were two dependencies (dang, I should have written them down) and a simple make worked fine. This should build and run it on Ubuntu: $ svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/osm2go/trunk osm2go $ cd osm2go $ sudo aptitude install libcurl3-openssl-dev libgoocanvas-dev libosso-dev libgpsmgr-dev libgpsbt-dev libosso-gnomevfs2-dev libhildonfm2-dev mce-dev libgoocanvas3 debhelper $ make $ src/osm2go ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Basically, you'll have to enter a brief description for every bunch of edits (just as you have to do when you update a wikipedia page) that you upload. Strictly have the option of entering, not have to enter. Comments are optional. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Is-OSM-Mapper-ready-for-0.6--%28was-Re%3A-Disable-Potlatch-finally%29-tp21045981p21050142.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Adam Schreiber sa...@clemson.edu wrote: I wound be very interested to see the first time that a transport authority took a person to court for promoting their services but there may be a first time! I do suggest that this is a different project from OSM though. Yes, but certainly tied to OSM data though. It would be very cool if from this other project, people could assemble routes from nodes already tagged as bus/train stops, add time table info for routes already in the OSM DB and set nodes as the appropriate stops. This would probably need some form of a heavily modified potlache. I don't see why this needs to be a separate project. We already have Key:opening_hours for amenities, why not Tag:highway:bus_stop with additional tags that describe when each bus line stops there and a relation to map the greater bus route. That should be sufficient information to map the transit system and the data wouldn't be spread across two independently maintained databases. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: I wound be very interested to see the first time that a transport authority took a person to court for promoting their services but there may be a first time! actually, I seem to remember reading on either slashdot or theregister that it has happened in the last month or so, with a transport company sueing some online timetable service, but I can't remember the details -- Elena of Valhalla homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?
Peter Miller wrote: I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for various reasons. One of the wonderful things about ODbL is the concept of a collective work as applied to separate databases. Right now, if you were to unofficially screenscrape the UK rail timetable and do magic stuff with it and OSM data, you'd probably fall foul of CC-BY-SA (boo, hiss). Whereas with ODbL it'd be a collective database and OSM wouldn't worry about the fact you don't have permission to do anything at all with the timetable. Not that I'm planning to screenscrape the PDF timetable or anything. Though I imagine that, if I were, I'd use CAM::PDF to read the file, write my own PDF renderer, then parse the columns and put the result in a MySQL database. Purely hypothetically. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Is-anyone-making-public-transport-routing-maps-based-on-OpenStreetMap-data--tp21044201p21055443.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Pertinent Quote
Hi This quote seems quite relevant to OSM, even though it's talking about tagging photos predominantly: but really, it simply doesn’t matter as long as people are actually doing the tagging. - Jeremy Keith http://adactio.com/journal/1535 John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)
John McKerrell wrote: Ah yes, you did mention that the other day. Surely it would only make the noise when you tried to unload the page though which wouldn't be so bad? Well, the way it works at the moment (in sane browsers) is that Potlatch sends a message via JS every time the dirty flag is set/unset - so the JS dirty variable is always up-to-date. That's what causes the click, and that's why it happens regularly throughout editing. onBeforeUnload appears to have (sensibly) too many safeguards built in to allow Potlatch to refuse a window close (for the user to enter a comment), though I might be missing something. Suggest we continue this one on IRC or private mail. :) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Is-OSM-Mapper-ready-for-0.6--%28was-Re%3A-Disable-Potlatch-finally%29-tp21045981p21055893.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Elena of Valhalla wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: I wound be very interested to see the first time that a transport authority took a person to court for promoting their services but there may be a first time! actually, I seem to remember reading on either slashdot or theregister that it has happened in the last month or so, with a transport company sueing some online timetable service, but I can't remember the details There was a bit going on with this iphone app http://trein.naquah.net/ which can be used to look up timetables for the Dutch railway services. It didn't go to court, but the Dutch railways wanted it removed from the iphone app store (which hasn't happened AFAIK). More information (in Dutch, sorry): http://blog.iusmentis.com/2008/10/11/mag-trein-opzoeken-hoe-laat-de-trein-vertrekt http://webwereld.nl/articles/53098/ns-wil-verwijdering-iphone-app.html I guess it's up to lawyers to decide whether database copyright applies here or not. Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] caching of landsat/yahoo images
Roman Neumüller wrote: And: the same idea might apply for potlatch's flash/yahoo image data! Wouldn't it be nice to have already downloaded images cached ?!? Potlatch just uses the Yahoo API, it doesn't really do any further fiddling[1] as that would be outwith the ToS and I prefer to tread carefully. If there's a way of doing it within the API, I'm all ears. cheers Richard [1] There are two slight enhancements - at http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/editors/potlatch/world.as#L221 - to make sure the copyright notices are displayed properly and to make sure tile request URLs remain correct throughout all scales. I figure fixing Yahoo's bugs for them can't hurt ;) -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/caching-of-landsat-yahoo-images-tp21053679p21054536.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)
I wrote (with apologies for replying to myself): I don't think I've customised my sound scheme on my work notebook (XP Pro) or home machine (Vista) and checking there the current sound scheme settings have no sound associated with Begin Navigation or End Navigation so perhaps the defaults from IE7 are not to have such a sound? If I go to Control panel and reset the sounds to Windows Default it does assign Windows Navigation Start.wav to Start Navigation, though I didn't think I had changed anything. It is possible some update did and Windows Default has undone that change. Or perhaps I did. It's really annoying now it's back... Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam] Re: Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: DisablePotlatch finally)
On 17 Dec 2008, at 09:47, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On Wed, December 17, 2008 03:22, maning sambale wrote: Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? May I request the coders (I'm a mapper not a coder ;). To give us an overview of what will the API 0.6 will be all about? Basically, you'll have to enter a brief description for every bunch of edits (just as you have to do when you update a wikipedia page) that you upload. This should allow for easier change reviews, and much easier rollbacks. Most read-only tools should work with little or no modification, and most mappers won't even have to change their workflow (besides filling up a textbox writing what the bunch of edits was about). Sounds good. For the avoidance of doubt, is the format of the planet file changing or does this just affect the API between editors and the DB? Is there anything that we must change in OSM Mapper (the product) to accommodate the new API? Is there anything we 'could' change in OSM Mapper to take advantage of new content in the planet file? In particular will the text associated with the changeset be available in the planet file. Finally - if the planet file is changing - are there sample planet files with this additional information available for us to test with OSM Mapper prior to the switch-over. Thanks, Peter Cheers, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: DisablePotlatch finally)
But we might consider creating a dropdown box with frequent messages like: error corrected in tag: new mapped area: more accurate positioning: Beatification of data: added waters: routing data: added POIs: to populate the comment box and of course stimulate users to do so by clearly explaining the relevance. Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Pieren Verzonden: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:00 PM Aan: Frederik Ramm CC: talk@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: DisablePotlatch finally) On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Frederik Ramm The editor is another matter; JOSM will not allow uploads without a commit message. What ? I'm very surprised about that. On Mediawiki, it's optional and if you look history, you see that many people don't write comments. And if you look my wiki contributions, I sometimes write comments and sometimes not. Adding unnecessary constraints will not the project easier for newcomers. If you make it as an obligation in JOSM, you will see comments like safhsihufwieu which will not help and just make some contributors like me irritated. Please, please, please, forget this idea of making comments an obligation. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:25, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 03:02:17PM +, Peter Miller wrote: There is not however a problem as far as I know in people collecting their own timetable information from printed material and entering it into a common DV. I haven't collected anything yet since I fear the data might be protected under the new database copyright in the EU. Would be interesting to get a lawyers opinion on that. I wound be very interested to see the first time that a transport authority took a person to court for promoting their services but there may be a first time! I do suggest that this is a different project from OSM though. Regards, Peter CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)
On Wed, December 17, 2008 03:22, maning sambale wrote: Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? May I request the coders (I'm a mapper not a coder ;). To give us an overview of what will the API 0.6 will be all about? Basically, you'll have to enter a brief description for every bunch of edits (just as you have to do when you update a wikipedia page) that you upload. This should allow for easier change reviews, and much easier rollbacks. Most read-only tools should work with little or no modification, and most mappers won't even have to change their workflow (besides filling up a textbox writing what the bunch of edits was about). Cheers, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam] Re: Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: DisablePotlatch finally)
On Wed, December 17, 2008 10:57, Peter Miller wrote: For the avoidance of doubt, is the format of the planet file changing or does this just affect the API between editors and the DB? IIRC, the format for .osm files will be *very* *similar*. The only differences will be that, instead of usernames, you'll get user IDs. Supposedly, you'll get the ID-username mapping at the beginning of the file (so you can cross-reference or search-and-replace to your hearts' content). The node-way-relation stuff, and tags, won't be touched. Stay tuned for the final specifications of the 0.6 API, as I might be wrong. Cheers, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] caching of landsat/yahoo images
2008/12/17 Roman Neumüller em...@katpatuka.org The JOSM plugin lakewalker has the IMHO very nice feature to cache the landsat tiles it uses for walking a lake into its own folders. I just wonder if that feature couldn't get extended to generally cache landsat images into a folder !? If you live in a region were there is no Hires-data available at all you *solely* have potlatch's flash/yahoo data or josm's landsat data to rely on. But you have to download the image data over-and-over again whenever you are in the same region. And: the same idea might apply for potlatch's flash/yahoo image data! Wouldn't it be nice to have already downloaded images cached ?!? I seem to recall there was an issue with caching the yahoo tiles relating to something along the lines of having them saved to disk is not in accordance with the permission to use the imagery... or something... Landsat should be cachable though I guess... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
How about making an iphone app where people can just type in I just saw the 555 bus go past? After a few samples you have a timetable. Or some place where people can upload timestamped tracklogs if they catch a bus. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:25, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 03:02:17PM +, Peter Miller wrote: There is not however a problem as far as I know in people collecting their own timetable information from printed material and entering it into a common DV. I haven't collected anything yet since I fear the data might be protected under the new database copyright in the EU. Would be interesting to get a lawyers opinion on that. I wound be very interested to see the first time that a transport authority took a person to court for promoting their services but there may be a first time! I do suggest that this is a different project from OSM though. Yes, but certainly tied to OSM data though. It would be very cool if from this other project, people could assemble routes from nodes already tagged as bus/train stops, add time table info for routes already in the OSM DB and set nodes as the appropriate stops. This would probably need some form of a heavily modified potlache. Cheers, Adam ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: IIRC, you could catch the onunload event of the browser window via javascript and tell potlach. Yes, I know this should go to the -dev mailing list (and that patches are welcome, etc). :) I posted about this the other day: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-December/032364.html . Potlatch already does has this Javascript, to provide an 'unsaved changes' warning, but it doesn't work in WinIE. And patches really are very, very welcome to fix that. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Is-OSM-Mapper-ready-for-0.6--%28was-Re%3A-Disable-Potlatch-finally%29-tp21045981p21052418.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import
Hi all, On the talk-ca list we are comparing the differences similarities between this project the TIGER import. I wanted to float the idea (to the general talk list) about importing the full data base that is available, not as shapes/ways/lines, but as nodes which show what map features the node represents. So for example, importing a park (in a mapped area) we would just show the outline dots of the park, and the user can connect the dots and show it the 'right' way osm-style. This would ensure that accuracy is there as well as alow updates as these updates would be directly ontop of the old one. These imported nodes would be then used as reference (like colour coded snap points) Is there a way that josm is able to allow the user to click on the space where the node is and select which node they want to use to attach the line/area/relation they are working with? Is there a way to make sure that these nodes dont get rendered? In the case of address range, what if these lines are shown as 1 side of the property outline? Thanks, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedonOpenStreetMap data?
On 17 Dec 2008, at 09:12, Hugh Barnes wrote: Would it be useful to create a list for discussion of public transport applications within OSM. Could I suggest a title of 'talk-transit' or should this conversation be part of the 'talk-routing' list? Including PT routing in the talk-routing list might make some sense because there is always a walking element to the routing and people interested in routing may also be interested in PT routing. I certainly think this conversation needs a 'home' that is off the main talk list which is too busy already. +1, preferably for a separate list. I'm not sure how welcome transit discussion would be on the routing list. (I'm curently subscribed to it only on the off-chance some transit material will surface.) I have been under the impression there isn't too much interest for this within OSM, judging by the paucity of activity on the lists and content on the wiki. I think it's another potential killer app for OSM. Lets try to get a new list set up and then we can have the detailed discussion there. Given that 80% of what we will be talking about will be bus maps, coding of public transport schedules and routes and how to describe the innards of large interchanges I suggest we start our own list and don't try to impose our interests on talk-routing. We know of transit related initiatives in a number of countries already that use OSM and I would hope that others will come out of the woodwork as we raise the profile. We should add a wiki page of transit related initiatives using OSM in different places to help people find them. Let's explicitly include shared taxi systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_taxi ) within the scope (as well as fixed route fixed timetable systems). I believe the phrase 'transit' is understood in more places that 'public transport' and it is also shorter! I suggest we call it 'talk-transit' with a description 'OpenStreetMap and public transport/ transit / shared transport services'. Votes for would be appreciated. If you object then lets here now as well. I will 'apply' for a list (if that is what one does) in a few days. Regards, Peter Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?
Not that I'm planning to screenscrape the PDF timetable or anything. Though I imagine that, if I were, I'd use CAM::PDF to read the file, write my own PDF renderer, then parse the columns and put the result in a MySQL database. Purely hypothetically. Would you happen to have a hypothetically working hypothetical program that does just that? Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] buildings and roads
On Wed, December 17, 2008 06:49, Nathan Mixter wrote: Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Currently buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like a highway or major road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If the road layer is on top this won't happen. A major road doesn't have to be wide by default. I hereby invite you to visit Guadarrama, where a trunk road (the N-VI) has only two lanes, and buildings are just one meter away from the asphalt. Yes, I agree that the rendering is messed up at low zoom levels (see Naga City in the Phillipines), but at higher zoom levels, I see no other easy solution. (In a perfect world, a road would be not a line, but a polygon, so the width and area could be perfectly known). Cheers, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
I don't see why this needs to be a separate project. We already have Key:opening_hours for amenities, why not Tag:highway:bus_stop with additional tags that describe when each bus line stops there and a relation to map the greater bus route. That should be sufficient information to map the transit system and the data wouldn't be spread across two independently maintained databases. Then you have the fact that time tables depend on the day of the week, that the route depends also on the day of the week, and on the time of day, and It's a big project in itself. Rather than try to centralize everything we know about the world into OSM, we would be better off figuring out how multiple databases can be tightly connected. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] clearing the remaining coastline issues?
2008/12/17 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com There are really not that many coastine problems left in OSM. I know the view below makes it look really very bad but it is only the east and south coasts of the USA that have significant errors left. It really doesn't take too long, especially as it is hard to stop! If about 5 people gave some time to it then it would all be done in a week or so. When the coast is clean the data will be much more useful for more purposes. Here is a view of what is left. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/coastlines.html?zoom=2lat=52.83478lon=-3.66051layers=B00T My personal aim is to have the coastline free of these errors rather than the have it accurate. I often leave lots of work for locals to do, but I want the coastline to not have broken sections and have water on the right etc. Sometime I delete closed sections where the vectorisation process was got it all wrong, sometimes I reverse the ways to keep water on the right, and there are also linear sections of coast that either need to be completed or deleted. Can I suggest that people commit to doing different parts of the globe. For example someone might say they were doing Australia and the islands to the north east of there and also New Zealand. I suggest that the USA is dealt with by state. I am happy to work on sorting Florida. Any other offers? One person could probably sort Europe and Asia in an evening! Africa would take about an hour. the USA slightly longer. Canada might need two people to sort all the islands to the north. Your email seem to have overloaded the coastline server :( An error occurred: FATAL: connection limit exceeded for non-superusers File /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/TileCache/Service.py, line 103, in _load cache = cache) File /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/TileCache/Service.py, line 73, in _loadFromSection return section_object(section, **objargs) File /var/www/oam/tilecache/oam.py, line 10, in __init__ self.db = psycopg2.connect(dsn) File /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/TileCache/Service.py, line 221, in modPythonHandler host ) File /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/TileCache/Service.py, line 166, in dispatchRequest raise TileCacheException(%s\n%s % (self.metadata['exception'], self.metadata['traceback'])) d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: Disable Potlatch finally)
Iván Sánchez Ortega-3 wrote: AFAIK, the 0.6 API requires a comment when opening a changeset (I might be wrong on this You are. :) The wiki doc just says advised. There is no explicit reference to comment, or any other tag, within the changeset model or controller. If you think through how an online editor would interact with API 0.6 (hey, it would be really good if someone did that) then the user, should they wish, can just close their window and bugger off without expressly closing the changeset and leaving a comment. Yesterday Andy mentioned that API 0.6 is really the foundation for better rollback and monitoring tools. One of those could well be a changeset analysis tool: see what the user did within this changeset. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Is-OSM-Mapper-ready-for-0.6--%28was-Re%3A-Disable-Potlatch-finally%29-tp21045981p21050429.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] clearing the remaining coastline issues?
There are really not that many coastine problems left in OSM. I know the view below makes it look really very bad but it is only the east and south coasts of the USA that have significant errors left. It really doesn't take too long, especially as it is hard to stop! If about 5 people gave some time to it then it would all be done in a week or so. When the coast is clean the data will be much more useful for more purposes. Here is a view of what is left. http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/coastlines.html?zoom=2lat=52.83478lon=-3.66051layers=B00T My personal aim is to have the coastline free of these errors rather than the have it accurate. I often leave lots of work for locals to do, but I want the coastline to not have broken sections and have water on the right etc. Sometime I delete closed sections where the vectorisation process was got it all wrong, sometimes I reverse the ways to keep water on the right, and there are also linear sections of coast that either need to be completed or deleted. Can I suggest that people commit to doing different parts of the globe. For example someone might say they were doing Australia and the islands to the north east of there and also New Zealand. I suggest that the USA is dealt with by state. I am happy to work on sorting Florida. Any other offers? One person could probably sort Europe and Asia in an evening! Africa would take about an hour. the USA slightly longer. Canada might need two people to sort all the islands to the north. Regards, Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?
On 17 Dec 2008, at 14:22, Nick Whitelegg wrote: I'm interested in completely mapping my city bus network, it would be great if there was some online routing application that I could go to that could plan my routes. Of course I'd have to provide it with sufficient survey information to do this, which would be part of mapping it obviously. Routing applications based on OSM data also have the opportunity to do inter-network routing. You could step onto a bus in one city, take a rail to another one, inter-city bus to yet another city, then a bus and walk on a footway to your destination. All based on OSM data. I wonder if there is scope for an OpenTimetable.org system or similar, which is an integrated - and open - bus/train timetable database. Transport companies could be invited to supply data to this, and then it could be made available to anyone. I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for various reasons. There is not however a problem as far as I know in people collecting their own timetable information from printed material and entering it into a common DV. What would be needed would be a repository and a way of entering data. GTFS is probably a good starting point. Some data is already available from authorities in that format. I do expect that more official data may be donated in time, but people might need to be prepared to do it the hard way first. Personally I also think it would be good to provide a way for people to enter old timetables. I have a bradshaws 1921 railway timetable and there is also a reprint for 1910. I am sure some people would love to enter it into a DB so that could produce station maps and do journey planning for the old network! Are you in favour of a new list to discuss these sorts of things? Peter Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] caching of landsat/yahoo images
The JOSM plugin lakewalker has the IMHO very nice feature to cache the landsat tiles it uses for walking a lake into its own folders. I just wonder if that feature couldn't get extended to generally cache landsat images into a folder !? If you live in a region were there is no Hires-data available at all you *solely* have potlatch's flash/yahoo data or josm's landsat data to rely on. But you have to download the image data over-and-over again whenever you are in the same region. And: the same idea might apply for potlatch's flash/yahoo image data! Wouldn't it be nice to have already downloaded images cached ?!? ;-) Roman ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is OSM Mapper ready for 0.6? (was Re: DisablePotlatch finally)
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 12:52 -0800, Beej Jorgensen wrote: [about adding commit comments to changelogs] Finally, there might be some way to appeal to the mapper's pride. Putting the right comment on a change log is more than just for tracking--it's a way of saying, *this* is the work *I* did! We could have a way for users to see others' changelogs, for example, which might be shown as one's Openstreetmap History of Work. The last thing I'd want is for the record of my hard effort to say asdf over and over again. Put the last ten commit comments in the user profile or diary? Offer a Lolcat of Commit-Comment-Awesomeness. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 19:59 +, OJ W wrote: How about making an iphone app where people can just type in I just saw the 555 bus go past? After a few samples you have a timetable. Not if they run their services like one or two bus companies I know! ;o) I suppose it could be quite interesting to compare the official timetables to crowd-sourced data to see who would be the most accurate. Regards, Andy Street (ex bus user!) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps based onOpenStreetMap data?
Hugh Barnes said: http://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/PublicFeeds Ewww, CSV serialisations requiring their own purpose-built validator … Like you say, we can build from it. Let's look through the fields/elements, but make something proper and scalable that leverages XML as it should. I can sympathize with your format prejudice, but GTFS is aimed at making things as easy as possible for the data provider, since getting the data in the first place is often the hardest part. I should also point out that the validator also checks a lot of deeper semantic things related to transit timetable logic, not just syntactic issues. As far as I'm aware, though, there's been more detailed transit data opened to the public in GTFS than in any other format, and it'd be great to get the relevant parts of that into OSM. Joe Hughes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?
On 17 Dec 2008, at 7:05, Peter Miller wrote: I wonder if there is scope for an OpenTimetable.org system or similar, which is an integrated - and open - bus/train timetable database. Transport companies could be invited to supply data to this, and then it could be made available to anyone. Out of the things that exist today, this is the closest: http://www.gtfs-data-exchange.com/ but there are couple other related starting points: http://www.opentransitdata.org/ http://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/PublicFeeds Several people on the Transit Developers mailing list have created bits of software to enter maintain timetable data, but I don't know if any of them are in a state to be reused for this. Personally I also think it would be good to provide a way for people to enter old timetables. I have a bradshaws 1921 railway timetable and Historical data would be fantastic! Are you in favour of a new list to discuss these sorts of things? You've got my vote for a more public-transport-related list. Joe ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik
How does Mapnik select which place names to render when the cities are close enough that there would be label collisions in the rendering? And is there any good way of tagging the place name to give better hints about which place names should have priority in case of collisions? In particular, when I look at renderings of the California Bay Area at various zoom levels, I see lots of poor choices for name collision resolution. Virtually everyone would agree that San Francisco is the most prominent city in the region, and should win any name rendering collision amongst cities in the region. Yet, at zoom level 6 and 7, Daly City gets rendered instead of San Francisco. Similarly, Oakland and San Jose are the next most prominent cities in the region, yet at many zoom levels, smaller and less prominent adjacent places get rendered instead. Another related quirk is that some of these smaller place names are have discontinuities in when then show in the zoom sequence, e.g. Mountain View shows up at zoom level 6 and 8, but not 7, and Santa Clara shows up at zoom level 7, 9, and 11, but not 8 or 10. I'm sure this problem is not unique to the Bay Area, but it is merely an example drawn from an area that I'm very familiar with. Is there a good solution to this problem? -Scott -- Scott Atwood Cycle tracks will abound in Utopia. ~H.G. Wells ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import
Hi, Sam Vekemans wrote: So for example, importing a park (in a mapped area) we would just show the outline dots of the park, and the user can connect the dots and show it the 'right' way osm-style. Sounds very esoteric, and it will also create a huge inflation of node tags (something that has been done with TIGER as well - TIGER comprises 80% of OSM data volume but that's not beause the US is so big, just because every node carries a kilobyte of tags...). Is there a way that josm is able to allow the user to click on the space where the node is and select which node they want to use to attach the line/area/relation they are working with? No, but I'm sure it could be arranged. Is there a way to make sure that these nodes dont get rendered? Most renderers don't render stuff they do not understand, so you'd just have to make sure your tags are out of this world ;-) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.com wrote: I looked a bit at the osm.xml file for Mapnik. It currently orders them by the place tag hierarchy (city, town, suburb, village, hamlet/locality), but there doesn't seem to be any sorting within equal hierarchies (which is probably why you see Daly City instead of San Francisco at certain zooms). Ideally it could do this by population, with a bonus for capitals. The documentation for Mapnik indicates that it supports value comparisons, but it looks like the population would have to be stored in a column. Anyway, that seems like it would be the way to go. I don't think simple population ranking is necessarily the best option. There are other, more subjective factors that are important as well. For instance, San Francisco is smaller in terms of both population and land area than San Jose, and both are the county seat of their respective counties, yet due its economic, cultural, and historical importance, San Francisco should trump San Jose in case of a rendering collision. -Scott -- Scott Atwood Cycle tracks will abound in Utopia. ~H.G. Wells ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of Place Names in Mapnik
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Scott Atwood scott.roy.atw...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Karl Newman siliconfi...@gmail.comwrote: I looked a bit at the osm.xml file for Mapnik. It currently orders them by the place tag hierarchy (city, town, suburb, village, hamlet/locality), but there doesn't seem to be any sorting within equal hierarchies (which is probably why you see Daly City instead of San Francisco at certain zooms). Ideally it could do this by population, with a bonus for capitals. The documentation for Mapnik indicates that it supports value comparisons, but it looks like the population would have to be stored in a column. Anyway, that seems like it would be the way to go. I don't think simple population ranking is necessarily the best option. There are other, more subjective factors that are important as well. For instance, San Francisco is smaller in terms of both population and land area than San Jose, and both are the county seat of their respective counties, yet due its economic, cultural, and historical importance, San Francisco should trump San Jose in case of a rendering collision. -Scott That's the sort of thing automated renderers have difficulty sorting out. Maybe we need a tag for cultural value :-P (I would hazard a guess that San Jose has a larger economic impact, though.) Karl ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:37:31AM +, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) wrote: Anonymous read-only access exists, so have fun :) Poke Till or myself via the osm2go-users mailing list if you have some contributions and you'd like write access. There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of relevance to this thread. /me suddenly gains an interest I’d already got an svn checkout but hadn’t got as far as doing anything with it. I can at least make sure things build on Lenny and Sid. Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.—John Gall signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import
Thanks, Esoteric: i had to wiki that one :) Anyway, i dont think anyone has a problem with having Canada take the number 1 spot for nodes :) would just mean that planet file gets bigger. If it meant that importing just the nodes (with extra unique ref tags) over existing well mapped areas, (so not compromizing other user data) and at the same time makes it easy for the any of the few agencies to use the data (if they want) - keeping it a 2-way street. -would it be worth it? - i think it would :) I got word back that geobase is held in shapes/lines data sets. -where it is technically possable to break it down to nodes, just means the files get bigger. Fortunatly we have no limit on file size, just would need to get a bigger server back-bone, a university donated one? Perhaps its possable to have it as part of the import script? Like the land mass import, without the lines connecting it? And josm having the option to select different nodes which are ontop of eachother? Good to hear its technically possable. Cheers, Sam Vekemans Across Canada Trails On 12/17/08, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Sam Vekemans wrote: So for example, importing a park (in a mapped area) we would just show the outline dots of the park, and the user can connect the dots and show it the 'right' way osm-style. Sounds very esoteric, and it will also create a huge inflation of node tags (something that has been done with TIGER as well - TIGER comprises 80% of OSM data volume but that's not beause the US is so big, just because every node carries a kilobyte of tags...). Is there a way that josm is able to allow the user to click on the space where the node is and select which node they want to use to attach the line/area/relation they are working with? No, but I'm sure it could be arranged. Is there a way to make sure that these nodes dont get rendered? Most renderers don't render stuff they do not understand, so you'd just have to make sure your tags are out of this ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:37:31AM +, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) wrote: Anonymous read-only access exists, so have fun :) Poke Till or myself via the osm2go-users mailing list if you have some contributions and you'd like write access. There's a Debian port taking shape in branches/ports/debian which is of relevance to this thread. /me suddenly gains an interest I'd already got an svn checkout but hadn't got as far as doing anything with it. I can at least make sure things build on Lenny and Sid. Note that the debian port isn't about making things run on Debian. It's about integrating with the debian menu and other debian-ish things. If you just want to run it on Debian checking out trunk and typing `make' will work just fine. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Publisher)
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[OSM-talk] Buildings and roads
Wow, Naga City is full of buildings. How did they get so many? Are those all building=yeses? Crazy. And I thought adding all the industrial and commercial buildings was bad. Anyway I still think that if the building layers were set at a lower layer level by default and the roads to a higher, it might look better. On Wed, December 17, 2008 06:49, Nathan Mixter wrote: Just wondering. Shouldn't buildings be rendered behind roads. Currently buildings are drawn above a road when the road is wide like a highway or major road. Obviously buildings don't cut into roads. If the road layer is on top this won't happen. A major road doesn't have to be wide by default. I hereby invite you to visit Guadarrama, where a trunk road (the N-VI) has only two lanes, and buildings are just one meter away from the asphalt. Yes, I agree that the rendering is messed up at low zoom levels (see Naga City in the Phillipines), but at higher zoom levels, I see no other easy solution. (In a perfect world, a road would be not a line, but a polygon, so the width and area could be perfectly known). Cheers, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Easy script etc., to add timestamps in gpx trails(Windows machine)
MY Lowrance dumps trails without timestamps, Can somebody give me a script or something which can be used to add timestamps. I have done a lot of rural India mapping, and since no satellite images of enough detail exist for that. I cannot map it without uploading my gpx trails to OSM ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Buildings and roads
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Nathan Mixter srmix...@hotmail.com wrote: Wow, Naga City is full of buildings. How did they get so many? Are those all building=yeses? Crazy. NAGA City GIS released their data in public domain. We are still encouraging the City government do continue adding more data. A major road doesn't have to be wide by default. I hereby invite you to visit Guadarrama, where a trunk road (the N-VI) has only two lanes, and buildings are just one meter away from the asphalt. Yes, I agree that the rendering is messed up at low zoom levels (see Naga City in the Phillipines), but at higher zoom levels, I see no other easy solution. (In a perfect world, a road would be not a line, but a polygon, so the width and area could be perfectly known). Cheers, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
Peter Miller wrote: I wound be very interested to see the first time that a transport authority took a person to court for promoting their services but there may be a first time! I do suggest that this is a different project from OSM though. Like this? Berlin Metro Bans Free iPhone Timetable Application http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/11/berlin-metro-ba.html Admittedly not a court case, but they do claim copyright and what'snot on their timetable data. spaetz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Publisher)
2008/12/18 Manuel de la Torre mdlto...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Erm... Am I missing something? d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps based on OpenStreetMap data?
There have been some efforts in NL http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/~rubke/fietskaart/index.html?zoom=12lat=52.03647lon=4.35335layers=BTFFT Integrated map with bicycle map as a separate label. We struggle with color associations in dense areas especially when multiple buses use the same roads. Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Frederik Ramm Verzonden: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:33 AM Aan: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason CC: Talk Openstreetmap Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps based on OpenStreetMap data? Hi, Melchior Moos has done an OSM public transport map for Germany: http://81.89.97.206/oepv.html Just map, no routing. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] amsterdam by balloon
mooie beelden! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8FmOVQ-f_M stefan, goed idee? groet, floris ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] amsterdam by balloon
Floris Looijesteijn wrote: mooie beelden! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8FmOVQ-f_M stefan, goed idee? kunnen we direct siften :D Wellicht leuk om contact op te nemen? Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wiki artikelen op openstreetmap kaart
He Floris, Mooi gedaan! hier werd tijdens de nieuwjaarsborrel al om gevraagd, door onze Wikipedia-gast :-) Zijn dit ALLE van geotag voorziene items uit de nederlandse wikipedia? Waar haal je die vandaan? Groet, Richard Floris Looijesteijn wrote: ante bracht me op een goed idee zondag: http://floris.nu/osm/wikimap/ voor de duidelijkheid dit is nog lang niet compleet en slechts een beperkt aantal van de wikipedia artikelen met coordinaten. maar het werkt in ieder geval wel :) groet, floris ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] �ies afgesplitst
Maarten Deen wrote: Omdat het nieuwe jaar weer nieuwe mappingparties met zich meebrengt (hopelijk toch) heb ik het lijstje met idee�n voor mappingparties dat onderaan [Netherlands Mapping Parties 2008] stond afgesplitst naar een nieuwe pagina (zodat daar in het toekomstige [Netherlands Mapping Parties 2009] naar gelinkt kan worden). Het staat op [Netherlands:To_be_mapped] en is wat mij betreft ook gepromoveerd tot een verzamelpunt voor zaken die nog gemapt moeten worden. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl Hoi, Goed bezig :). Ik zie dat Breda er al bij staat idd. Dat lijkt me idd ook wel een goeie er zitten zeker een aantal fouten in de kaart daar, nog meer dan wat er genoemd wordt op die wiki. Dat mag dus wel een keer aangepakt worden. Ook zitten er fouten in de AND data. Een weg die in werkelijkheid wat zuidelijker loopt dan in de AND data vermeld staat bijv. Groeten, Tijn ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Lijst van ideeën voor mapping part ies afgesplitst
Omdat het nieuwe jaar weer nieuwe mappingparties met zich meebrengt (hopelijk toch) heb ik het lijstje met ideeën voor mappingparties dat onderaan [Netherlands Mapping Parties 2008] stond afgesplitst naar een nieuwe pagina (zodat daar in het toekomstige [Netherlands Mapping Parties 2009] naar gelinkt kan worden). Het staat op [Netherlands:To_be_mapped] en is wat mij betreft ook gepromoveerd tot een verzamelpunt voor zaken die nog gemapt moeten worden. Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wiki artikelen op openstreetmap kaart
Ze komen uit een wikipedia dump (van gister) van alle externe links. Daarin zitten voor de nederlandse versie 226000 links met coordinaat. Dit is nog even een testje met (bijna) alle coordinaten van het type landmark in de regio NL. Dat zijn er 700. Ik ga het nog even wat mooier maken de komende dagen. Met verschillende resultaten per zoom level e.d. En natuurlijk een directe link naar de wiki artikelen. Groet, Floris He Floris, Mooi gedaan! hier werd tijdens de nieuwjaarsborrel al om gevraagd, door onze Wikipedia-gast :-) Zijn dit ALLE van geotag voorziene items uit de nederlandse wikipedia? Waar haal je die vandaan? Groet, Richard Floris Looijesteijn wrote: ante bracht me op een goed idee zondag: http://floris.nu/osm/wikimap/ voor de duidelijkheid dit is nog lang niet compleet en slechts een beperkt aantal van de wikipedia artikelen met coordinaten. maar het werkt in ieder geval wel :) groet, floris ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] wiki artikelen op openstreetmap kaart
Ze komen uit een wikipedia dump (van gister) van alle externe links. Daarin zitten voor de nederlandse versie 226000 links met coordinaat. Dit is nog even een testje met (bijna) alle coordinaten van het type landmark in de regio NL. Dat zijn er 700. Ik ga het nog even wat mooier maken de komende dagen. Met verschillende resultaten per zoom level e.d. En natuurlijk een directe link naar de wiki artikelen. Groet, Floris He Floris, Mooi gedaan! hier werd tijdens de nieuwjaarsborrel al om gevraagd, door onze Wikipedia-gast :-) Zijn dit ALLE van geotag voorziene items uit de nederlandse wikipedia? Waar haal je die vandaan? Groet, Richard Floris Looijesteijn wrote: ante bracht me op een goed idee zondag: http://floris.nu/osm/wikimap/ voor de duidelijkheid dit is nog lang niet compleet en slechts een beperkt aantal van de wikipedia artikelen met coordinaten. maar het werkt in ieder geval wel :) groet, floris ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote: (Although I think people arguing against overloading tags have a bigger campaign on their hands than just mini-roundabouts.) The highway reference tag has two things in the one tag - the highway type and the highway number. Then the double naming of streets Crystal HIghway; Main Street also overloads the tag and will lead to problems with a routing engine looking for Main Street ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] National Park Marine Park boundaries
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Matt White wrote: How are people mapping National Park (or state forest or other government mandated areas)? It seems that in a lot of cases, there is no way of actually doing an on the ground survey - a lot of the boundaries aren't marked, the areas can be massively inaccessible etc. Add to that things like marine park boundaries, or no fishing areas which are often defined on marine maps as just a set of GPS locations (and there is obviously no way of physically mapping those areas), and it seems there are a lot of things that we have to rely on getting the data from other sources for.(I include marine park/no fishing areas as my partners father asked about it - I see no good reason why such features couldn't be added to OSM) Question is: is it legit to use park/forest boundaries taken from government sources? If not, how on earth are we going to solve this little problem? Matt My significant other is trying to obtain national park data as defined lat and long co-ordinates. I think that putting points in on co-ordinates which are defined does not infringe anyone's copyright. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?
Sean 4ey0ll...@sneakemail.com wrote: program or device will still display the way as a roundabout that the user will still understand what it is even if the roundabout tag is removed. The user may understand, but the device won't if there are no tags. However I see below that I've been misunderstanding what you've been saying, and you're not saying to get rid of the tags. As you said It's relatively easy to do then, could you please supply the code or tell them how to do it. I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated. When I say relatively easy I mean relative to the significant effort required to build the entire conversion process. I don't mean trivial. I'm not advocating the removal of any tags. I'm advocating that all roundabouts no matter on size be drawn as a way and be tagged as juction=roundabout. Okay, this makes a lot of sense. Sorry but I missed this part of your argument before. Tagging the roundabout in some way is very important to preserve meaning, not just appearance. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] National Park Marine Park boundaries
How are people mapping National Park (or state forest or other government mandated areas)? It seems that in a lot of cases, there is no way of actually doing an on the ground survey - a lot of the boundaries aren't marked, the areas can be massively inaccessible etc. Add to that things like marine park boundaries, or no fishing areas which are often defined on marine maps as just a set of GPS locations (and there is obviously no way of physically mapping those areas), and it seems there are a lot of things that we have to rely on getting the data from other sources for.(I include marine park/no fishing areas as my partners father asked about it - I see no good reason why such features couldn't be added to OSM) Question is: is it legit to use park/forest boundaries taken from government sources? If not, how on earth are we going to solve this little problem? Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: It says that normal pedestrian islands aren't meant to be drawn as two separate ways (flares). I the pedestrian islands are *splitter islands* just being pedantic the flare is used to describe the flared direction of the incoming traffic which is intended to slow it ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] National Park Marine Park boundaries
b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: As it stands this hasn't really been addressed. Generally I just mark what's on the ground, ie the natural=wood boundary as this tends to give a reasonable indication of the national park boundary anyway. Obviously this has limits, but unless some government authority grants us use of their maps there's nothing we can really do about it. It's worth noting that I don't believe that anyone's actually tried approaching a government body about it. As for marine boundaries go, why isn't a set of GPS co-ordinates sufficient to map out various zones? Unless there's some form of copyright on the location of the zone itself it should be ok just to draw onto the map purely based on these numbers. I guess the issue is similar to using street names off a government provided source - we would have to copy factual information, rather than get out on the ground. I've found a few goverment agencies that provide the polygons of national parks etc, but they seem to want to charge for it An example - Marine park list from DSE: http://www.google.com/url?sa=tsource=webct=rescd=1url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parkweb.vic.gov.au%2Fresources%2F17_1990.pdfei=r-FISbr6FKWsswK39MHyDQusg=AFQjCNEVG5JGEpjq8PJHhy4WjcDiUBi9Cgsig2=qzkD4ifwSoyvytO9n3P_sw On a similar note, does anyone have polygons of the Oz states. Would like them to use to extract the OSM data for the garmin map creation prcoess, rather than the oversized square approach I'm using at the moment. Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote: The primary questions here is: Should a suburban roundabout be mapped as a node or as a loop? My position is a node for three reasons.. or something like a josm plugin which would turn a node into a little way with 4 nodes, on demand? + When you cross this kind of roundabout when cycling, or with a learner driver, you don't have to worry about the characteristics of the road you are crossing (since you never turn into the traffic of the cross road, you just cross the roundabout). This isn't just about cyclists and learners. Its about the nature of the intersection. a roundabout has different road rules and you certainly don't cross the roundabout unless you are driving a big truck with flashing red and blue lights + It represents what is on the ground accurately. Often there is less of an actual diversion than many other traffic calming devices, which are not mapped. To draw it as a deviation in the road, just isn't what is there. A deviation is part of the design philosophy of a roundabout + These have a very standardised appearance, and should be represented in a standardised way, like a template. The benefit isn't just in time-saving, but in identifying that all these roundabouts are very much the same. a plugin? Once this is decided there are other questions to answer... Is it reasonable to overload (reuse) a tag (mini-roundabout) originally designed to represent something else overseas, that doesn't exist in Australia? How to define this kind of roundabout? If we need a new tag, what should that tag be? Many of the points in this argument aren't being made against having some types of roundabouts mapped as a node, but rather are arguments against overloading tags that mean something else outside of Australia. Other arguments are saying that the current definition is poor. I can agree with these arguments, to a certain extent. (Although I think people arguing against overloading tags have a bigger campaign on their hands than just mini-roundabouts.) However, before we can get to them, we need to decide if this kind of roundabout is best represented by a node, or a loop. Then progress to what, if anything, the tag should be. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] PLZ und Hausnummer
Am Mittwoch 17 Dezember 2008 schrieb Markus: Hallo Kai. Vorlage von JOSM Hausnummern addr:housenumber Adressen sind ein Standardfall für Relationen. Ich denke, mittelfristig werden solche Relationen über geografische Polygone erfasst. Beispiel: Jedes Haus bekommt händisch eine addr:house_number = ### Die Strasse wird mit Shift-Klick zugeordnet. Die PLZ wird mit einem Polygon zugeordnet. Der Ort sowieso. hab gestern erst wieder gehoert, dass es durchaus den fall gibt, dass die beiden seiten einer strasse zu verschiedenen orten gehoeren. wird wohl mit polygonen nur schwer machbar sein... mit dem karlsruher schema aber schon. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Gewerbegebiet = ? residential ????
hmm, ich hatte immer gedacht, dass die highway-typen unclassified und residential rein von der strasse gesehen identisch sind. der einzige unterschied ist der, dass bei einem eine bebauung vorhanden ist (egal ob wohnhäuser oder gewerbliche anlagen), beim anderen nicht. das ist doch klar und einfach. oder etwa nicht? dass landuse = residential/commercial/industrial und dessen bedeutung total unabhaengig von den sich dort befindlichen strassen ist, sollte eigentlich auch klar sein... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] PLZ und Hausnummer
Hallo Guenther, beide seiten einer strasse zu verschiedenen orten gehoeren. Ja, solche Ausnahmen gibt es in allen Bereichen der Geo-Daten. Sie werden dann entsprechend gekennzeichnet. Die überwiegende Mehrheit lässt sich aber mit Polygonen beschreiben. Das ist simpel und intuitiv, und das verhindert unnötige Redundanz. Und für die DB lässt sich das relational verwerten. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM als WMS-Dienst
Ich habe dieses Jahr zwei Studentenprojekte betreut, die OSM-Daten mit freien WMS-Lösungen visualisiert haben. Ein Problem dabei ist z. B., dass Tags wie bridge usw. nicht ausgewertet werden... Näheres mit Links zu den Projektberichten unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Results_of_Student_Projects#Hochschule_f.C3.BCr_Technik_Stuttgart_-_Stuttgart_University_of_Applied_Sciences -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Regards / Cordialement Dr. Franz-Josef Behr Participate in http://www.opengeocoding.org! This is an information grab, a rights grab rather like a land grab. We live at the start of the information age and not enough people care that someone else gains rights to their personal things, their information, friends, images, photos, music... People really need to read the licenses they sign up to http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/ivanidea Prof. Dr. Franz-Josef Behr - Home Office Author of: Strategisches GIS-Management - http://www.gis-management.de eMail: franz-josef.b...@hft-stuttgart.de http://www.gis-news.de Tel: +49 (0)721 / 453980-1 sowie 45 33 35 Fax: +49 (0)721 / 453980-7 sowie via web.de: +49 (0)1212-5-12048213 begin:vcard fn:Dr. Franz-Josef^Behr n:Behr;Franz-Josef org:Stuttgart University of Applied Sciences (SUAS);Faculty of Geomatics, Computer Science and Mathematics adr;quoted-printable:;;Schellingstra=C3=9Fe 24, ;Stuttgart;;D-70174;Germany title:Prof. tel;work:+49) 711/8926-2606 tel;home:+49 (0)721 / 453980-1 url:http://www.hft-stuttgart.de/ version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] LKW-Routing (TV-Bericht)
Hallo Garry, mir ging es nur darum, ob es ein Lizenzproblem (CC 2.0) mit den OSM-Daten geben könnte. Das es andere vertragliche Schwierigkeiten geben kann, steht auf einem anderen Blatt. Gruß, Stefan Garry schrieb: Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR) schrieb: Wieso? Man könnte doch die kommerziellen Daten strikt von den OSM-Daten trennen (2 unterschiedliche Dateien), die dann erst im Naviprogramm zusammengeführt werden. Die OSM-Daten könnten dabei frei downloadbar sein. Wo ist da ein Lizenzproblem? Ein Lizensproblem dürfte von daher bestehen dass ein kommerzieller Kartenanbieter nicht oder nur zu wesentlich schlechteren Konditionen zulassen wird dass fremdes Kartenmaterial aufgespielt werden kann - durch entsprechende Knebelverträge. Garry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bug im merkaartor-Paket von http://www.gpsdrive.de/debian
Sebastian Niehaus nieh...@nospam.arcornews.de writes: [...] , | [15:47:02][nieh...@crystalline:~]$ apt-cache policy merkaartor | merkaartor: | Installiert: 12314 | Kandidat: 12314 Nach dem nächtlichen Update gibt es nun eine neue Version: , | [09:15:59][nieh...@crystalline:~/GPS]$ apt-cache policy merkaartor | merkaartor: | Installiert: 12376 | Kandidat: 12376 | | [...] ` die bringt leider die gleiche Meldung: , | [09:17:13][nieh...@crystalline:~/GPS]$ merkaartor | QPaintEngine::setSystemClip: Should not be changed while engine is active | QPaintEngine::setSystemClip: Should not be changed while engine is active | QWidgetPrivate::beginSharedPainter: Painter is already active | Speicherzugriffsfehler ` Falls jemand Ideen hat ... TIA, Sebastian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] YWMS, Wiki-Suche
Joerg Ostertag (OSM Tettnang/Germany) openstreet...@ostertag.name writes: On Sonntag 14 Dezember 2008, Dirk Stöcker wrote: [...] QT4.4 ist Minimum. QT4.4.3 ist zum Betrieb empfehlenswert, da vorher mit Yahoo zu viele Probleme auftraten. [...] Das macht es schwierig, denn ich weiss nicht, welches QT maximal auf einem Debian testing drauf ist ... , | [09:19:41][nieh...@crystalline:~/GPS]$ apt-cache policy libqt4-core | libqt4-core: | Installiert: (keine) | Kandidat: 4.4.3-1 | Versions-Tabelle: | 4.4.3-1 0 | 500 http://ftp2.de.debian.org lenny/main Packages ` HTH, Sebastian ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Lagegenauigkeit der LVA-Luftbilder
Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote: gdalwarp -r cubicspline -multi -of HFA -s_srs +proj=tmerc +lat_0=0 +lon_0=12 +k=1.00 +x_0=450 +y_0=0 +ellps=bessel +units=m +nadgrids=./BETA2007.gsb -t_srs EPSG:4326 all-31468.img all-4326.img Ich bin beeindruckt! *grummel* inzwischen wieder deutlich weniger :( Der Konvertierungsfluch erzeugt zwar ein Bild, aber leider keines, das eine brauchbare Passgenauigkeit aufweist. da sind so wie das aussieht in x und y Richtung offsets drin. Wird also erstmal nix mit der angeblichen Präzession im Zentimeterbereich. Sven -- Thinking of using NT for your critical apps? Isn't there enough suffering in the world? (Advertisement of Sun Microsystems in Wall Street Journal) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Lagegenauigkeit der LVA-Luftbilder
Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR) schrieb: Die Gebührenordnung gibt es sogar online (Pos. 2.10.1): http://online-service.nuernberg.de/eris/downloadPDF.do;jsessionid=95E0C60B88A4C8F286789E017F196AAB?id=334134 Genau darum habe ich gefragt, welche Kommune. Aber ich kann nur sagen: krass krass krass krass krass. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Motorway QA - 1. Report
ja klar, verzeiht bitte die spaete Antwort (bin ein bisschen hinterher, aber schwer am aufholen dank Zeit bei der Arbeit ;-) ), hatte ich etwas verkuerzt dargestellt, aber ich meinte mit nur interessante Richtungspfeile aktiviert. Da sollten in diesem Fall die Pfeile m.E. nicht auftauchen. Werden sie eigentlich bei oneway=-1 auch in die andere Richtung angezeigt? Ich vermute mal nicht, aber kann es derzeit hier nicht pruefen. Habs grad ausprobiert; die Richtung der Pfeile bleibt unverändert. Das finde ich aber auch richtig so, denn die Pfeile geben ja die Richtung des Wegs (= die Reihenfolge der Punkte im Weg) an. Die oneway-Richtung ist dann relativ zu dieser Richtung andersrum. Grüße, Marc ja, da hast Du Recht. Die Pfeilspitzen sollten allerdings deaktiviert sein, wenn man oneway=no angibt (und keine anderen richtungsrelevanten tags vergeben sind). Ich weiss, dass oneway=no eigentlich default ist, aber es gibt Stellen, wenn eine Einbahnstr. z.B. kurz unterbrochen wird (hins. Einbahnstrassenregelung), dass man es explizit angibt, um Verwirrungen bzw. oberflaechlichem Falschtagging vorzubeugen. Gruss Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Externe GPS-Antenne
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 03:55:00PM +, Johann H. Addicks wrote: Fernspeisung/Phantomspeisung brauchen die Antennen schließlich allesamt. Interessant, das wusste ich bisher nicht. Aber was reale Preise anbelangt schau doch mal auf http://www.aucon.de/preise.htm Die dort als AS-200 gelabelte Antenne lockt mich zu Weihnachten. Danke für den Link! Weniger als erwartet, aber für absehbare Zukunft noch zu viel. :) CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] genauer Online-Transformator für Mark us OSM
Hallo Frederik, Frederik Ramm schrieb: Das ist eine Abweichung von 0.00131 in der Breite und 0.000738 in der Länge, oder auch rund 150 Meter. Kann proj.4 wirklich so daneben liegen? Tobias (NRW) : 51.4696196309, 6.79221558802 Tobias (complete): 51.4696117875, 6.79223525397 Tobias (BeTA2007): 51.4696152617, 6.79221329054 Tobias (Proj.4) : 51.4695741927, 6.79225058706 Frederik (Proj.4): 51.470929, 6.7929530 Welche Version von Proj.4 verwendest Du? Mir ist bei der ersten Verwendung aufgefallen, dass jede Version anders rechnet. Meine (Windows): Rel. 4.6.1, 21 August 2008 Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] genauer Online-Transformator für Mark us OSM
Zur Vollständigkeit: Stefan (GEOTRANS) : 51.4695998808, 6.7921828940 Tobias (NRW) : 51.4696196309, 6.79221558802 Tobias (complete): 51.4696117875, 6.79223525397 Tobias (BeTA2007): 51.4696152617, 6.79221329054 Tobias (Proj.4) : 51.4695741927, 6.79225058706 Frederik (Proj.4): 51.470929, 6.7929530 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] genauer Online-Transformator für Mark us OSM
Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR) schrieb: Stefan (GEOTRANS) : 51.4695998808, 6.7921828940 Gehst Du von den alten DE-Complete Shiftwerten aus? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Externe GPS-Antenne
Ich glaube nur, ich stelle mir das gerade irgendwie falsch / witzig vor :-) Carlson vom Dach? -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Externe GPS-Antenne
Die dort als AS-200 gelabelte Antenne lockt mich zu Weihnachten. Danke für den Link! Weniger als erwartet, aber für absehbare Zukunft noch zu viel. :) Spar' schon mal für den i747-Clone. Der kostet dort ab 199 EUR :-) Wenn jemand so eine große Antenne irgendwo preiswerter sehen sollte: Bitte Bescheid geben. Und zum Träumen gibt's noch einen Link zu einer Chokering-Antenne von Leica: http://www.leica-geosystems.com/corporate/de/ndef/lgs_70988.htm Optimalste Unterdrückung von Störsignalen (ich gehe von einem deutlich vierstelligen Betrag aus.) -jha- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Potlach: Hilfe bei Elemente wiederherstellen
Moin ! ich habe gerade gesehen, dass bei die südliche Fahrbahn der Autobahn bei Esteponia weg ist - nur noch ein Stumpen. Ich weiß aber, dass dieser da war - kann mir den einer wiederherstellen - ich komme mit Potlatch trotz Beschreibung einfach nicht klar. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.51534lon=-4.85819zoom=15layers=B000FTF in http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.56636lon=-4.63338zoom=16layers=B000FTF wir diese Fahrbahn dann wieder fortgesetzt! Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] genauer Online-Transformator für Mark us OSM
svhoosm schrieb: BKG 51.46960929 , 6.79223526 Komisch. Das BKG verwendet eigentlich DE_complete, welche ich auch verwende. Bislang kam da auch immer das Gleiche raus. Stefan (GEOTRANS) : 51.4695998808, 6.7921828940 Tobias (NRW) : 51.4696196309, 6.79221558802 Tobias (complete): 51.4696117875, 6.79223525397 Tobias (BeTA2007): 51.4696152617, 6.79221329054 Tobias (Proj.4) : 51.4695741927, 6.79225058706 Frederik (Proj.4): 51.470929, 6.7929530 Wenn jemand an den exakten Transformationsparametern interessiert ist, diese gibt es unter http://crs.bkg.bund.de/crseu/crs/eu-national.php Ebendiese verwende ich. Komisch, komisch. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Externe GPS-Antenne
Johann H. Addicks schrieb: Wenn jemand so eine große Antenne irgendwo preiswerter sehen sollte: Bitte Bescheid geben. Marine-Antennen gibt es hier sehr günstig und gut: http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Lage-Informationen (Adressen) an Bushaltestellen?
Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: m.e. waere das nicht OK sondern Quatsch, es sei denn, die Haltestelle hat eine eigene Adresse. Ansonsten wuerde ich dort, wo sich geschaetzt die Adresse befindet (Luftbild), einen Adressnode hinzufuegen, sofern er noch fehlt, und an der Haltestelle die Adresse weglassen. Zur Entschärfung des Quatsches: Mithilfe des OSM-Inspectors hätte man die Postleitzahlengebiete für Dortmund auf diese Seite nahezu hochauflösend bekommen. Aber die von Dir vorgeschlagene Variante ist mir zuviel Arbeit. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] genauer Online-Transformator für Marku s OSM
Hallo, hmmm, merkwürdig. Vielleicht rechnen Eure Programme intern mit unterschiedlichen Genauigkeiten bzw. fassen Rechenoperationen anders zusammen. Bei den Transformationen kann es dadurch ja auch sehr schnell zu Ungenauigkeiten kommen. Deutschlandweite Parameter werden aber sehr sehr häufig um nicht zu sagen immer zu örtlichen Unstimmigkeiten führen. Das geht gar nicht anders. Wobei es natürlich darauf an kommt was man will und wie man seine vermeintlichen Sollwerte ermittelt. Dazu habe ich den Beginn des Threads nicht mitverfolgt Grüße svhoosm ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] genauer Online-Transformator für Marku s OSM
Hallo, BeTA:2007? Hast du mir dazu mal eine Internetseite? Ich kann das gerade nicht einordnen. Grüße svhoosm PS: hmmm, ich bekomme irgendwie meine eigenen E-Mails an die Liste nicht obwohl es in den Mitgliedsoptionen ausgewählt ist. hmmm ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] genauer Online-Transformator für Marku s OSM
Hallo, svhoosm schrieb: BeTA:2007? Hast du mir dazu mal eine Internetseite? Ich kann das gerade nicht einordnen. Du hast es doch selbst gepostet: http://crs.bkg.bund.de/crseu/crs/eu-national.php = GERMANY = DE_DHDN / GK_3 ... Descr. of Transf. ... Submiet = DE_DHDN (BeTA, 2007) to ETRS89 PS: hmmm, ich bekomme irgendwie meine eigenen E-Mails an die Liste nicht obwohl es in den Mitgliedsoptionen ausgewählt ist. hmmm Wie willst Du sonst Rückantworten lesen? Achja: BITTE Realname posten ... Netiquette. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Lage-Informationen (Adressen) an Bushaltestellen?
2008/12/17 Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de anyone? m.e. waere das nicht OK sondern Quatsch, es sei denn, die Haltestelle hat eine eigene Adresse. Ansonsten wuerde ich dort, wo sich geschaetzt die Adresse befindet (Luftbild), einen Adressnode hinzufuegen, sofern er noch fehlt, und an der Haltestelle die Adresse weglassen. Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM als WMS-Dienst
Dr. Franz-Josef Behr schrieb: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Results_of_Student_Projects#Hochschule_f.C3.BCr_Technik_Stuttgart_-_Stuttgart_University_of_Applied_Sciences Verdammt, das kann man als Projekt bei Euch machen? Ich bin an der falschen Uni - hier bekomme ich Ärger, wenn ich damit meine Zeit vergeude :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Lagegenauigkeit der LVA-Luftbilder
Hallo Sven, Sven Geggus schrieb: Der Konvertierungsfluch erzeugt zwar ein Bild, aber leider keines, das eine brauchbare Passgenauigkeit aufweist. da sind so wie das aussieht in x und y Richtung offsets drin. Wäre es vertraglich vereinbar, mir eine Kachel bereitzustellen? Dann könnte ich in dieser Richtung experimentieren und bessere Ergebnisse bereitstellen. Grüße Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM auf dem 25C3
Am 17.12.08 schrieb Andreas Hubel a...@saerdnaer.de: Marcus Wolschon schrieb: Also ich bin bis 19:30 in einem anderen Vortrag. Welchem denn? ;-) Danach komm ich gerne rüber. Was hast du vor zu machen? An sich dachte ich halt so an gegenseitiges auf den aktuellen Stand bringen, über aktuelle Themen, welche Software oder Geräte man so im OSM Kontext nutzt (kann man sich dann auch gleich gegenseitig/auf dem Beamer) zeigen... Okay, welche Software und Geräte zeigst du und wen hast du sonst noch mit was an der Hand? Erwarte dass da so 20-50 Leute plötzlich vor dir sitzen und erwarten, dass du anfängst etwas zu erzählen. Je mehr Leute im Raum sind, desto schlechter läßt sich eine Diskussion starten. Marcus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Iblue747 im Explorer einbinden?
Steffen Langenbach wrote: Datum:Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:30:17 +0100 Von: Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de Hallo Chris, Kann man den iblue 747 im Explorer als Laufwerk einbinden? Das geht leider nicht. warum eigentlich nicht? Das wird daran liegen wie die interne Architektur des iBlue ist. Wahrsch. hat er keine entsprechende Schnittstelle mit eingebaut bekommen. Oder er speichert die Daten in einem eigenen Format das nur mit den bekannten Tools ausgelesen werden kann und um fehlerhafte Handhabung zu vermeiden haben sie den Zugriff auf das Dateisystem auf normalem Wege halt untersagt. Aber genau weiss das wohl nur der Hersteller. Der Tracker wird unter Linux als Serial-Converter erkannt. Offensichtlich erfolgt also die Kommunikation wie mit einem Serialport. Das Format der Daten ist offen (siehe mtkbabel open source perl script zum Auslesen und Konvertieren der Daten in .GPX). Mit viel aufwand wäre es vielleicht möglich irgendetwas zu programmieren was ein Laufwerk im Explorer simuliert, ich wüsste aber nicht, wieso sich dieser Aufwand lohnen sollte. Grüße, Alexander ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Externe GPS-Antenne
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 06:41:50PM +0100, Tobias Wendorff wrote: Wenn jemand so eine große Antenne irgendwo preiswerter sehen sollte: Bitte Bescheid geben. Marine-Antennen gibt es hier sehr günstig und gut: http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/ Da habe ich keine Choke Ring-Antennen gefunden (und nur die bringen bessere Multipath-Abschirmung). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM auf dem 25C3
Ach ja... wir haben 2 Tische und 4 Stühle zugesagt bekommen. (Hat etwas gedauert.) Kann jemand ein Garmin-Gerät mit OSM-Karte drauf oder etwas vergleichbares mitbringen? Dokumenten-Klebeband wäre noch sehr sinnvoll. Um Plakate, Strom, Ethernet, JOSM+Surveyor+Traveling Salesman kümmer ich mich und spendiere eine 12er-Packung vom Dunkin Donouts. (Wie immer man diese Krapfen schreibt) Marcus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Externe GPS-Antenne
Sascha Silbe schrieb: Da habe ich keine Choke Ring-Antennen gefunden (und nur die bringen bessere Multipath-Abschirmung). Ja toll, für Choke Ring-Antennen braucht man doch auch eine Groundplate oder nicht? Also mobil will ich schon noch sein. Kann man nicht auch das Autodach als Platte verwenden? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ständiges Downloaden in JOSM
Von: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Am 16. Dezember 2008 15:27 schrieb André Reichelt andr...@online.de: Ulf Lamping schrieb: 1. Es werden bereits einige neu geladene Sachen dargestellt, obwohl noch nicht alles geladen wurde entkräftigt sich durch... JOSM hat je inzwischen eine gute Kennzeichnung für den geladenen Bereich, damit sollte dieses Problem eigentlich keines sein. Man kann also sehrwohl schon im Hintergund nachladen und auch das Geladene anzeigen, nur man darf eben die gelbe Schraffur erst dann entfernen, wenn auch wirklich alles geladen wurde. ja, es wird aber ein Riesenoverhead (download) erzeugt, da auch alles nachgeladen wird, was man nicht braucht. Bin immer noch total dagegen, z.B. wuerde das auch den Speicher vollmachen (mit dem Effekt, dass JOSM langsamer wird), ohne dass man es braucht. Hallo, genau das Problem habe ich jetzt auch schon. Wenn ich ein Gebiet eines Tiles der Zoomstufe 12 lade, das schon etwas besser gefüllt ist - z.B. das Tile 2146-1408, die östliche Seite von Pforzheim - also keine wirklich riesige Fläche, wird JOSM total unbenutzbar, da extrem zäh. Momentan mache ich es so, das wenn ich größere Objekte laden muß dies in kleinen Abschnitten mache, so das nur genau das in den Speicher kommt, was auch wirklich sein muß. Da man für den Überblick natürlich auch hin und wieder mal raus zoomt würde beim Autonachladen wiederum viel zu viel in den Speicher kommen was man eigentlich gar nicht benötigt. Wenn ihr solch ein Konzept wirklich umsetzten wollt, macht es bitte abschaltbar oder tut vorher gewaltig was an der Performanz und dem Speicherhunger von JOSM. Grüßle, detlef (ein an sich begeisterter JOSM-Nutzer) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] genauer Online-Transformator für Mark us OSM
Ohne es genauer geprüft zu haben, sieht es so aus, als ob Du in EPSG:4314 (Potsdam-Datum) umgerechnet hättest, also geografische Koordinaten ohne Ellipsoidübergang. Stefan Frederik Ramm schrieb: Das ist eine Abweichung von 0.00131 in der Breite und 0.000738 in der Länge, oder auch rund 150 Meter. Kann proj.4 wirklich so daneben liegen? Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Feinkost und Pizza
Norbert Wenzel schrieb: Ich würde shop=deli shop=deli halt ich für schwer verständlich, aufgrund der Abkürzung. Bis jetzt hab ich die immer als normalen Lebensmittelhändler, Greißler, also grocery getagged. Deli ist keine Abkürzung, sondern wirklich das englische Wort für Delikatessen (im Plural). ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
