what is the purpose of org.ofbiz.base.lang.SourceMonitored?

[chris snow]

Hi Forum,

What is the purpose of the class org.ofbiz.base.lang.SourceMonitored?

Many thanks,

Chris

Re: fork advice

[chris snow]

Hi David, I was using GitHub's definition of a fork:

Before GitHub, *forking* was a subgroup of developers going in a different
direction with the codebase — a rift in the community. Today a project can
have hundreds of forks, each trying out ideas that may get merged back in to
the main project. Forks now represent a vibrant and active community.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:45 PM, David E Jones d...@me.com wrote:


 It sounds like what you want to do is not a fork (which implies breaking
 away from the project and never looking back), but rather a branch and
 more specifically something along the lines of the vendor branch pattern
 which is something very common.

 -David


 On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:27 AM, chris snow wrote:

  Thanks for the reply Jacques.
 
  The current process of waiting and relying on the goodwill of
 contributors
  to commit my patches does not fit well with agile development.  Forking
 will
  allow me to develop at my own pace, but still allow my to synchronise
  upsteam for bugfixes, etc.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Jacques Le Roux 
  jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote:
 
  I think nobody manages it. It's done by default by the ASF for all
  projects: http://git.apache.org/
  I have no ideas about the diff.
  Why do you want to fork OFBiz?
 
  Jacques
 
  From: chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com
 
  Hi Forum,
 
  I would like to create an ofbiz fork in GitHub.  It seams like there
 are
  two
  main options:
 
  1) Use GitHub to fork from apache/ofbiz at
  https://github.com/apache/ofbiz
  2) Use git to create a clone directly from
  http://git.apache.org/ofbiz.git
 
  What are the main differences in these two approaches?
 
  If I go with option 1, and I want to do Pull Requests who manages
  https://github.com/apache/ofbiz?  I.e. who will receive my Pull
  Requests?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Chris
 
 
 

Re: fork advice

[chris snow]

Thanks for the reply Jacques.

The current process of waiting and relying on the goodwill of contributors
to commit my patches does not fit well with agile development.  Forking will
allow me to develop at my own pace, but still allow my to synchronise
upsteam for bugfixes, etc.



On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Jacques Le Roux 
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote:

 I think nobody manages it. It's done by default by the ASF for all
 projects: http://git.apache.org/
 I have no ideas about the diff.
 Why do you want to fork OFBiz?

 Jacques

 From: chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com

  Hi Forum,

 I would like to create an ofbiz fork in GitHub.  It seams like there are
 two
 main options:

 1) Use GitHub to fork from apache/ofbiz at
 https://github.com/apache/ofbiz
 2) Use git to create a clone directly from
 http://git.apache.org/ofbiz.git

 What are the main differences in these two approaches?

 If I go with option 1, and I want to do Pull Requests who manages
 https://github.com/apache/ofbiz?  I.e. who will receive my Pull
 Requests?

 Cheers,

 Chris

fork advice

[chris snow]

Hi Forum,

I would like to create an ofbiz fork in GitHub.  It seams like there are two
main options:

1) Use GitHub to fork from apache/ofbiz at https://github.com/apache/ofbiz
2) Use git to create a clone directly from http://git.apache.org/ofbiz.git

What are the main differences in these two approaches?

If I go with option 1, and I want to do Pull Requests who manages
https://github.com/apache/ofbiz?  I.e. who will receive my Pull Requests?

Cheers,

Chris

Re: Calling Ofbiz web services from a .NET client

[chris snow]

Hi Per,

I would try using XML-RPC if you can find a .NET library for it.

Can you please re-open the JIRA issue?

Many thanks,

Chris

how is jndi used in ofbiz?

[chris snow]

how is jndi used in ofbiz?

is it just used for storing the GeronimoTransactionManager?

if running in an j2ee server, does ofbiz use the servers jndi registry?

what dependencies does the ofbiz jndi naming service have?  for
example, does it need rmi infrastructure?

i'm a jndi newbie, so my questions are basic

many thanks,

chris

Re: how is jndi used in ofbiz?

[chris snow]

Hi BJ,

I was specifically looking at 9.04, GeronimoContainer - it is binding
the GeronimoTransactionManager to jndi:

InitialContext ic = new InitialContext();
ic.rebind(java:comp/UserTransaction, new
GeronimoTransactionManager());

But in the GeronimoTransactionFactory it looks like JNDI is bypassed:

   static {
// creates an instance of Geronimo transaction context, etc
with a local transaction factory which is not bound to a registry
try {
transactionLog = new UnrecoverableLog();
geronimoTransactionManager = new
GeronimoTransactionManager(defaultTransactionTimeoutSeconds,
(XidFactory)new XidFactoryImpl(), transactionLog);
} catch (XAException e) {
Debug.logError(e, Error initializing Geronimo transaction
manager:  + e.toString(), module);
}
}

So is the JNDI binding not used?

is ofbiz dying?

[chris snow]

Is ofbiz dying?  The mailing lists seem quiet, this seems to be
confirmed by the dev and commits mailing list counts dropping off:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-commits/

Is it just a blip?

Re: is ofbiz dying?

[chris snow]

thanks for the responses everyone!

ofbiz release10.04 - where is orderProcessXPDL.xml used?

[chris snow]

Is orderProcessXPDL.xml used by anything in Ofbiz?  if so, where and how?

Many thanks,

Chris

Re: ofbiz release10.04 - where is orderProcessXPDL.xml used?

[chris snow]

Is there any value in keeping files like these if they aren't used?

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 Shark is disabled, since the integration was not completed.
 See the Shark container.


 chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 11:39 AM:

 Is orderProcessXPDL.xml used by anything in Ofbiz?  if so, where and how?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: ofbiz release10.04 - where is orderProcessXPDL.xml used?

[chris snow]

Hi BJ, keeping old stuff around makes the framework harder to master.
Could the file be archived somewhere?  That way, it's clear to users
that it isn't important, but is still around if someone wants to
finish off the functionality.

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:22 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 there seems to be a movement to remove a lot of unused stuff.
 I my personal value is that this is a community and as we grow some one may
 take an interest.
 so only things that have been superseded should be removed.
 like if there is a business language interface that has been implemented.




 chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 12:11 PM:

 Is there any value in keeping files like these if they aren't used?

 On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM, BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net  wrote:

 Shark is disabled, since the integration was not completed.
 See the Shark container.


 chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 11:39 AM:

 Is orderProcessXPDL.xml used by anything in Ofbiz?  if so, where and
 how?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: deprecated files WAS: ofbiz release10.04 - where is orderProcessXPDL.xml used?

[chris snow]

Is this file used: OrderProcessWorkflow.xml?

Re: ofbiz release10.04 - where is orderProcessXPDL.xml used?

[chris snow]

svn log sounds good - will you be deleted this and other deprecated files now?

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:41 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 how about an svn log comment that says see the shark if your interested.
 that way if someone runs across it they may get interested, but if put away
 it is more like out of sight out of mind.
 However if you get drool implemented and in the trunk or I get the business
 Basic integrated, I can see removing the Shark and all files related.



 chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 12:28 PM:

 Hi BJ, keeping old stuff around makes the framework harder to master.
 Could the file be archived somewhere?  That way, it's clear to users
 that it isn't important, but is still around if someone wants to
 finish off the functionality.

 On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:22 PM, BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net  wrote:

 there seems to be a movement to remove a lot of unused stuff.
 I my personal value is that this is a community and as we grow some one
 may
 take an interest.
 so only things that have been superseded should be removed.
 like if there is a business language interface that has been implemented.




 chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 12:11 PM:

 Is there any value in keeping files like these if they aren't used?

 On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:09 PM, BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net
  wrote:

 Shark is disabled, since the integration was not completed.
 See the Shark container.


 chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 11:39 AM:

 Is orderProcessXPDL.xml used by anything in Ofbiz?  if so, where and
 how?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

working out the significance of various RoleTypes

[chris snow]

I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
structures.

When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,

Party partyId=admin partyTypeId=PERSON/
...
PartyRole partyId=admin roleTypeId=MANAGER/

If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for MANAGER, I can
see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:

component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java

From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
behaviour of the pos and webpos components.

Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?

If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.

Many thanks,

Chris

Re: working out the significance of various RoleTypes

[chris snow]

A text search on the BUYER role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
missing something?

$ grep -r 'BUYER' *
applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:PartyRole
partyId=admin roleTypeId=BUYER/
applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:PartyRole
partyId=bizadmin roleTypeId=BUYER/
applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:RoleType
description=Buyer hasTable=N parentTypeId=EMPLOYEE
roleTypeId=BUYER/
applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
Participant Id=BUYER Name=Purchase Order Approval Role
applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:PartyRole
partyId=AcctBuyer roleTypeId=BUYER/
specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
WorkflowParticipant packageId=org.ofbiz.order
packageVersion=20030730144901 processId=_NA_ processVersion=_NA_
participantId=BUYER participantName=Purchase Order Approval Role
description=Reviews and approves/rejects orders
participantTypeId=ROLE/
specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
WorkflowActivity packageId=org.ofbiz.order
packageVersion=20030730144901 processId=ProcessOrder
processVersion=20030730144901 activityId=approvePurchaseOrder
objectName=Approve Purchase Order #${orderId} objectPriority=5
timeLimit=12.0 startModeEnumId=WAM_MANUAL
finishModeEnumId=WAM_MANUAL performerParticipantId=BUYER
activityTypeEnumId=WAT_NO canStart=N joinTypeEnumId=WJT_XOR
splitTypeEnumId=WST_XOR acceptAllAssignments=N
completeAllAssignments=N limitService=sendProcessNotification
limitAfterStart=N delegateAfterStart=Y restartOnDelegate=N
inheritPriority=Y/
specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:PartyRole
partyId=DemoBuyer roleTypeId=BUYER/


On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
 new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
 structures.

 When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
 on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,

 Party partyId=admin partyTypeId=PERSON/
 ...
 PartyRole partyId=admin roleTypeId=MANAGER/

 If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for MANAGER, I can
 see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:

 component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
 component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java

 From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
 behaviour of the pos and webpos components.

 Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
 consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
 RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?

 If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
 and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
 effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: working out the significance of various RoleTypes

[chris snow]

This is confusing me, so what about if I rephrase my question:

- I have a party, what roles should I give to the party?

I don't want to give a role if I don't know what effect that role has.
 For example, I have an employee who is a manager of a small team in
my packing department.  There is a MANAGER role available in
PartyTypeData, so this seems like a natural fit and I assign the
MANAGER role to my packing manager.   I have now inadvertently given
my manager extended privileges in the WebPOS.  This is clearly not my
intention.

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 the basic use of roles it to define before there is data available.
 it also is a way of selecting certain function (roles) of a party.
 The Demo data is not complete and is there to show that one of the roles you
 can have is BUYER.
 these are covered in the Datamodel book vol I.


 chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 1:40 PM:

 A text search on the BUYER role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
 actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
 missing something?

 $ grep -r 'BUYER' *
 applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:PartyRole
 partyId=admin roleTypeId=BUYER/
 applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:PartyRole
 partyId=bizadmin roleTypeId=BUYER/
 applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:RoleType
 description=Buyer hasTable=N parentTypeId=EMPLOYEE
 roleTypeId=BUYER/
 applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
 Participant Id=BUYER Name=Purchase Order Approval Role
 applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:PartyRole
 partyId=AcctBuyer roleTypeId=BUYER/
 specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
 WorkflowParticipant packageId=org.ofbiz.order
 packageVersion=20030730144901 processId=_NA_ processVersion=_NA_
 participantId=BUYER participantName=Purchase Order Approval Role
 description=Reviews and approves/rejects orders
 participantTypeId=ROLE/
 specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
 WorkflowActivity packageId=org.ofbiz.order
 packageVersion=20030730144901 processId=ProcessOrder
 processVersion=20030730144901 activityId=approvePurchaseOrder
 objectName=Approve Purchase Order #${orderId} objectPriority=5
 timeLimit=12.0 startModeEnumId=WAM_MANUAL
 finishModeEnumId=WAM_MANUAL performerParticipantId=BUYER
 activityTypeEnumId=WAT_NO canStart=N joinTypeEnumId=WJT_XOR
 splitTypeEnumId=WST_XOR acceptAllAssignments=N
 completeAllAssignments=N limitService=sendProcessNotification
 limitAfterStart=N delegateAfterStart=Y restartOnDelegate=N
 inheritPriority=Y/
 specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:PartyRole
 partyId=DemoBuyer roleTypeId=BUYER/


 On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snowchsnow...@gmail.com  wrote:

 I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
 new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
 structures.

 When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
 on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,

 Party partyId=admin partyTypeId=PERSON/
 ...
 PartyRole partyId=admin roleTypeId=MANAGER/

 If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for MANAGER, I can
 see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:

 component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
 component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java

  From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
 behaviour of the pos and webpos components.

 Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
 consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
 RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?

 If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
 and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
 effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: ofbiz release10.04 - where is orderProcessXPDL.xml used?

[chris snow]

so can all this old stuff be removed?

Re: working out the significance of various RoleTypes

[chris snow]

BJ, there are a quite a few pre-defined roles in PartyTypeData how
will I know when to use one of the pre-defined RoleTypes and when to
create my own, unless I know exactly what the pre-defined roles do?

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 MANAGER is generic and for small company enough
 you want more granuallity meand you create a
 MANAGER_PACKING
 Then implement it in the Facilities code and screens
 then remove the MANAGER from your party and add your MANAGER_PACKING
 you can also add TEAM_PACKING, for Those working in Packing.

 =
 BJ Freeman
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
  http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
 Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
 Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

 Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man


 chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 2:07 PM:

 This is confusing me, so what about if I rephrase my question:

 - I have a party, what roles should I give to the party?

 I don't want to give a role if I don't know what effect that role has.
  For example, I have an employee who is a manager of a small team in
 my packing department.  There is a MANAGER role available in
 PartyTypeData, so this seems like a natural fit and I assign the
 MANAGER role to my packing manager.   I have now inadvertently given
 my manager extended privileges in the WebPOS.  This is clearly not my
 intention.

 On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net  wrote:

 the basic use of roles it to define before there is data available.
 it also is a way of selecting certain function (roles) of a party.
 The Demo data is not complete and is there to show that one of the roles
 you
 can have is BUYER.
 these are covered in the Datamodel book vol I.


 chris snow sent the following on 9/19/2010 1:40 PM:

 A text search on the BUYER role type suggests that RoleType doesn't
 actually do anything other than act as a label for Parties.  I must be
 missing something?

 $ grep -r 'BUYER' *
 applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:PartyRole
 partyId=admin roleTypeId=BUYER/
 applications/securityext/data/UserDemoData.xml:PartyRole
 partyId=bizadmin roleTypeId=BUYER/
 applications/party/data/PartyTypeData.xml:RoleType
 description=Buyer hasTable=N parentTypeId=EMPLOYEE
 roleTypeId=BUYER/
 applications/order/servicedef/orderProcessXPDL.xml:
 Participant Id=BUYER Name=Purchase Order Approval Role
 applications/accounting/data/DemoPaymentsInvoices.xml:PartyRole
 partyId=AcctBuyer roleTypeId=BUYER/
 specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
 WorkflowParticipant packageId=org.ofbiz.order
 packageVersion=20030730144901 processId=_NA_ processVersion=_NA_
 participantId=BUYER participantName=Purchase Order Approval Role
 description=Reviews and approves/rejects orders
 participantTypeId=ROLE/
 specialpurpose/workflow/data/OrderProcessWorkflow.xml:
 WorkflowActivity packageId=org.ofbiz.order
 packageVersion=20030730144901 processId=ProcessOrder
 processVersion=20030730144901 activityId=approvePurchaseOrder
 objectName=Approve Purchase Order #${orderId} objectPriority=5
 timeLimit=12.0 startModeEnumId=WAM_MANUAL
 finishModeEnumId=WAM_MANUAL performerParticipantId=BUYER
 activityTypeEnumId=WAT_NO canStart=N joinTypeEnumId=WJT_XOR
 splitTypeEnumId=WST_XOR acceptAllAssignments=N
 completeAllAssignments=N limitService=sendProcessNotification
 limitAfterStart=N delegateAfterStart=Y restartOnDelegate=N
 inheritPriority=Y/
 specialpurpose/ecommerce/data/DemoOrderPeopleData.xml:PartyRole
 partyId=DemoBuyer roleTypeId=BUYER/


 On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:13 PM, chris snowchsnow...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I'm manually working through the ecommerce demo setup data to create a
 new site and along the way gain more insight into the ofbiz data
 structures.

 When I encounter a RoleType, I want to know what effect this role has
 on ofbiz.  For example, the RoleType: MANAGER,

 Party partyId=admin partyTypeId=PERSON/
 ...
 PartyRole partyId=admin roleTypeId=MANAGER/

 If I do a text search through the ofbiz source for MANAGER, I can
 see that the MANAGER RoleType is used in several places, including:

 component://pos/src/org/ofbiz/pos/event/SecurityEvents.java
 component://webpos/src/org/ofbiz/webpos/session/WebPosSession.java

  From this I can deduce that the MANGER role has an influence on the
 behaviour of the pos and webpos components.

 Searching for individual RoleType's is insightful, but is time
 consuming.  Is there an easier way for me to understand how various
 RoleType's influence the ofbiz processes?

 If there isn't an easier way, I'm happy to continue my search process
 and create a wiki page to document the various RoleType's and their
 effect on the behaviour of ofbiz.

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: working out the significance of various RoleTypes

[chris snow]

Hi Jonatan, I think all we need is a list of the pre-defined RoleTypes
and what the impact of each RoleType has on ofbiz.

It's impossible to choose a role type without having that list!

I'm happy to create the list - I just want to make sure I'm looking in
the right place for the information when I'm trying to find out what
each RoleType 'does'.

Re: working out the significance of various RoleTypes

[chris snow]

Hi BJ, I'm not sure the datamodel book has been followed 100%, so I
think the safest way to work out the intention of each RoleType is to
search through the code and document my findings.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Re: working out the significance of various RoleTypes

[chris snow]

Hi BJ/Jonatan,

I have created an jira issue to discuss the documentation for
RoleType: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3949

Attached are some example Descriptions for RoleType - is there any
additional information that would be useful?  Does the format make
sense, is it readable?

Many thanks,

Chris

Re: why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

[chris snow]

Hi Scott, it was just an example. The point I was trying to make is that by
making the entity engine a separate module, the implementation doesn't
matter as long as the entity engine module fullfilled its api contract.  One
of the benefits of this modular approach is that it would enable developers
or are interested in working on the entity engine could do so without having
to first isolate the persistence code from the configuration code.

On 18 Sep 2010 06:49, Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote:

Hi Chris,

Could you explain how you envisage swapping the entity engine with hibernate
considering one uses Maps (GenericValue) and the other uses POJOs to
represent data?

Thanks
Scott

HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com


On 18/09/2010, at 1:32 AM, chris snow wrote:

 I would see entity engine and service engine as se...

Re: why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

[chris snow]

I'm sorry for pushing this off-track by mentioning hibernate. The important
point is that the technologies aren't important.  There are many
technologies that could be used for the entity engine, and as BJ has pointed
out, the ofbiz entity engine is very good. The problem for me is that the
entity engine is deeply interwined with the rest of ofbiz.  These
dependencies need to be managed.  Having a more modular ofbiz has advantages
for ofbiz as a whole and for each module.

On 18 Sep 2010 09:03, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:

One of the reason I came to ofbiz was to get away from the bloat of ORM.
if I read the modeler right that is swt based Gui which introduces a
communication layer back to the server, unlike ofbiz being generated on the
fly into html, from the server.

BTw I have a Commercial Swt Gui Generator and use it for my legacy apps I
converted to ofbiz, as well as the communications layer using JNL.

=
BJ Freeman


Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewf...
james_sg sent the following on 9/18/2010 12:24 AM:





 Hi all,

 Apache Cayenne has the closest match to OFBiz Entity Engine.

 A few points abo...

Re: why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

[chris snow]

Hi BJ, there are parts of ofbiz that could be 'easily' used outside of
ofbiz if they weren't all part of the same code base.  The Entity
Engine example is one part that could become a library.  Other parts
include the datatype coverters and temporal expressions.  At the
moment if I want to use these parts of ofbiz in external applications,
I have to manually extract them from the ofbiz code base.

The framework would then be an assembly of libraries. By splitting
ofbiz up, each library (entity engine, converters, temporal
expressions, etc) could be developed independently of the rest of the
ofbiz code.  Do you want me do list the advantages of this approach?


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:02 AM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 Chris I may be dense, but what dependencies do you see from the entity
 engine to the rest of ofbiz?
 I agree that from the rest of ofbiz the entity engine is core, and is to me
 the very reason that ofbiz is great.
 But from a framework point of view you can strip away the application and
 specialpurpose and build anything you want on top of the framework.
 which is why it is called a framework.

 outside of the base and supporting files in framework, you could probably
 reemove 50% of the framework and still have the entiy engine work.

 So is it just a technical thing or is there really a gain in what you are
 saying?

 Just trying to get a Grasp on what you goal and scope is.

 chris snow sent the following on 9/18/2010 1:48 AM:

 I'm sorry for pushing this off-track by mentioning hibernate. The
 important
 point is that the technologies aren't important.  There are many

  technologies that could be used for the entity engine, and as BJ has
 pointed

 out, the ofbiz entity engine is very good. The problem for me is that the
 entity engine is deeply interwined with the rest of ofbiz.  These
 dependencies need to be managed.  Having a more modular ofbiz has
 advantages
 for ofbiz as a whole and for each module.

 On 18 Sep 2010 09:03, BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net  wrote:

 One of the reason I came to ofbiz was to get away from the bloat of ORM.
 if I read the modeler right that is swt based Gui which introduces a
 communication layer back to the server, unlike ofbiz being generated on
 the
 fly into html, from the server.

 BTw I have a Commercial Swt Gui Generator and use it for my legacy apps I
 converted to ofbiz, as well as the communications layer using JNL.

 =
 BJ Freeman


 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
 http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewf...
 james_sg sent the following on 9/18/2010 12:24 AM:





 Hi all,

 Apache Cayenne has the closest match to OFBiz Entity Engine.

 A few points abo...

Re: using json

[chris snow]

Hi BJ, thanks for the response.  Unfortunately, an iframe won't do - I
need to have a json client running on a remote server.

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:16 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 how about an Iframe from the website to the login you want to use.
 I use this a lot for backend Customer login for my portal, on clients
 websites that ofbiz is the back end but not the ecommerce provider.

 chris snow sent the following on 9/18/2010 9:32 AM:

 Are there any instructions for connecting to ofbiz using
 javascript+json from an external web application.  I would like to
 make a call to a service/controller that requires authentication.

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: JavaDocs

[chris snow]

and xsd's? http://ofbiz.apache.org/dtds/

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:39 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 should we have one for each release 4.0,9.04, 10.04 and trunk
 http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/site/javadocs/

 =
 BJ Freeman
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
  http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
 Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
 Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

 Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man

Re: why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

[chris snow]

Making the entity engine available as a standalone module definitely has
appeal.  For example, the entity engine would sit nicely alongside an ESB
such as mule for providing a very flexible and quick to develop persistence
adapter.

When I talk about the framework being more modular, I am looking far into
the future (i.e. I'm dreaming).  The first step is to aim for
framework/application independence.

Someone is going to have to dig around in the framework from time to time. 
If parts of the framework could be worked on independently of the rest of
the framework, it would make those parts much easier to maintain.


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Re: why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

[chris snow]

Hi James,

I spent a lot of time looking at this and came to the conclusion that
in 10.04 the dependencies between framework and applications became
too intertwined to make a separate 10.04 framework.  Here are some of
the pages I put together documenting my steps:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/eIOJ
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/nYTW

I haven't used ofbiz for a while, however recently I started using
ofbiz 9.04 and I may take another look at using 9.04 as the basis for
some development effort to make ofbiz more modular (e.g. split the
project up maven style and make the entity engine a separate project
that can be used independently of ofbiz).  There was also a
interesting work by Raj to use OSGi to make the dependencies in ofbiz
more explicit and controllable -
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz-osgi/

David's new project is very interesting, because he will be 'vetting'
all code that gets committed, which doesn't happen with the ofbiz svn
repository.

Cheers,

Chris

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:24 AM, james_sg snowme...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone know the status of this?

 --james


 BJ Freeman wrote:

 I am for standalone framework. David has been working on that project
 for a while, if I remember correctly.

 #2 bothers me though. The design of ofbiz was that the entity was the
 controlling factor for creating DB and UI. I was one of the major
 reasons I came to ofbiz.
 That said, any work that wants to be done on UI integration that makes
 ofbiz look classy, I think should be the focus.
 A lot of work has been done in that area.
 But integrating other UI interfaces that keep the design idea of the
 entity being to controlling focus is what I would like to see.

 I don't see ofbiz being object oriented in the normal sense.

 I see the effort for the help files and a easily understood UI from the
 user point of view being the main factors in promoting ofbiz.




 Chris Snow sent the following on 2/24/2010 10:47 PM:
 Here are some benefits of a 10.04 standalone framework release:

 1) Standalone framework users would be a form of quality control helping
 to ensure more incorrect dependencies don't find there way into ofbiz.
 2) we would be able to promote the framework in its own right thus
 competing with OpenERP's OpenObject platform
 3) a much larger potential user base than ecommerce or erp users.

 Any more that I have missed?






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Re: removing unwanted locales

[chris snow]

Hi Jacques -

I don't find the wiki search very useful.  What are the issues with
using Confluence Export?

Cheers,

Chris

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Jacques Le Roux
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote:
 Chris, and everybody interested,

 I guess because we are not using Confluence Export (like some other Apache
 projects do) we don't have a reliable Google indexing

 As I explained to BJ use rather my tip at bottom of
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Mailing+Lists

 You may also use the search at the top of the main page
 http://ofbiz.apache.org/
 But there an issue with it since we are not able to search into all the
 content using one option in the list, at least I don't find a way to do it,
 yet...

 Jacques

 chris snow wrote:

 Hi jacques, I did a google search before posting, but these links didn't
 come up?

 On 16 Sep 2010 23:51, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com
 wrote:

 general.properties locales.available

 Also indicated in

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/Apache+OFBiz+Business+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=8192400#comment-8192400
 and

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Apache+OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide

 Good night ;o)

 Jacques

 From: chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com



 Is it possible to remove the unwanted locales from the ecommerce
 webapp?  In fact, my store o...

Re: why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

[chris snow]

If you follow my instructions for 9.04 that will to a large extent
give you framework independence.

I think 9.04 makes a good basis for looking at modularising parts of
ofbiz.  For example, I would like to see the entity engine live in its
own project.  The entity engine from what I remember is currently
tightly tied in to performing duties such as reading configuration
files.  Based on this, I would next focus on giving the entity engine
an api for loading it's global configuration and also component
configurations.  That way, the entity engine could be added to ofbiz
as a pure jar file and be configured by some other module (e.g. a
configuration service).  Isolating parts of the system like the entity
engine has a lot of benefits.  For example, BJ Freeman has mentioned
improvements to the entity engine such as on the fly entity changes.
This would be made much easier if the entity engine was not so deeply
intertwined with the rest of the ofbiz code.

I think github would be the ideal place for hosting this kind of
effort.  That way non ofbiz commiters could more easily contribute.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:49 AM, james_sg snowme...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Chris,

 I believe framework separation is a win-win situation and things will get
 sorted out when the common agreement is there.

 I am using 9.04. For non-erp project, I have other favorite framework.

 -james


 chris snow wrote:

 Hi James,

 I spent a lot of time looking at this and came to the conclusion that
 in 10.04 the dependencies between framework and applications became
 too intertwined to make a separate 10.04 framework.  Here are some of
 the pages I put together documenting my steps:

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/eIOJ
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/nYTW

 I haven't used ofbiz for a while, however recently I started using
 ofbiz 9.04 and I may take another look at using 9.04 as the basis for
 some development effort to make ofbiz more modular (e.g. split the
 project up maven style and make the entity engine a separate project
 that can be used independently of ofbiz).  There was also a
 interesting work by Raj to use OSGi to make the dependencies in ofbiz
 more explicit and controllable -
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz-osgi/

 David's new project is very interesting, because he will be 'vetting'
 all code that gets committed, which doesn't happen with the ofbiz svn
 repository.

 Cheers,

 Chris

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:24 AM, james_sg snowme...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Does anyone know the status of this?

 --james


 BJ Freeman wrote:

 I am for standalone framework. David has been working on that project
 for a while, if I remember correctly.

 #2 bothers me though. The design of ofbiz was that the entity was the
 controlling factor for creating DB and UI. I was one of the major
 reasons I came to ofbiz.
 That said, any work that wants to be done on UI integration that makes
 ofbiz look classy, I think should be the focus.
 A lot of work has been done in that area.
 But integrating other UI interfaces that keep the design idea of the
 entity being to controlling focus is what I would like to see.

 I don't see ofbiz being object oriented in the normal sense.

 I see the effort for the help files and a easily understood UI from the
 user point of view being the main factors in promoting ofbiz.




 Chris Snow sent the following on 2/24/2010 10:47 PM:
 Here are some benefits of a 10.04 standalone framework release:

 1) Standalone framework users would be a form of quality control
 helping
 to ensure more incorrect dependencies don't find there way into ofbiz.
 2) we would be able to promote the framework in its own right thus
 competing with OpenERP's OpenObject platform
 3) a much larger potential user base than ecommerce or erp users.

 Any more that I have missed?






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Re: why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

[chris snow]

I  would see entity engine and service engine as separate modules.

Each module should have clearly defined api defining how they interact
with the outside world.  A clearly defined api will facilitate
swapping parts.  For example, the entity engine could be replaced with
a hibernate based engine as long as the api was implemented.

(also there would be a module for Birt)

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:06 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 to me framework is what has not ability to interact with the real world,
 like party, but just the tools.
 so base layer is Entity and service engine.
 Next layer is Webapp and Widgets.
 next layer is Webtools
 next layer is security and common

 A person should be able to enable those things that they want for their
 application.



 chris snow sent the following on 9/17/2010 4:11 AM:

 If you follow my instructions for 9.04 that will to a large extent
 give you framework independence.

 I think 9.04 makes a good basis for looking at modularising parts of
 ofbiz.  For example, I would like to see the entity engine live in its
 own project.  The entity engine from what I remember is currently
 tightly tied in to performing duties such as reading configuration
 files.  Based on this, I would next focus on giving the entity engine
 an api for loading it's global configuration and also component
 configurations.  That way, the entity engine could be added to ofbiz
 as a pure jar file and be configured by some other module (e.g. a
 configuration service).  Isolating parts of the system like the entity
 engine has a lot of benefits.  For example, BJ Freeman has mentioned
 improvements to the entity engine such as on the fly entity changes.
 This would be made much easier if the entity engine was not so deeply
 intertwined with the rest of the ofbiz code.

 I think github would be the ideal place for hosting this kind of
 effort.  That way non ofbiz commiters could more easily contribute.

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:49 AM, james_sgsnowme...@hotmail.com  wrote:

 Hi Chris,

 I believe framework separation is a win-win situation and things will get
 sorted out when the common agreement is there.

 I am using 9.04. For non-erp project, I have other favorite framework.

 -james


 chris snow wrote:

 Hi James,

 I spent a lot of time looking at this and came to the conclusion that
 in 10.04 the dependencies between framework and applications became
 too intertwined to make a separate 10.04 framework.  Here are some of
 the pages I put together documenting my steps:

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/eIOJ
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/nYTW

 I haven't used ofbiz for a while, however recently I started using
 ofbiz 9.04 and I may take another look at using 9.04 as the basis for
 some development effort to make ofbiz more modular (e.g. split the
 project up maven style and make the entity engine a separate project
 that can be used independently of ofbiz).  There was also a
 interesting work by Raj to use OSGi to make the dependencies in ofbiz
 more explicit and controllable -
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz-osgi/

 David's new project is very interesting, because he will be 'vetting'
 all code that gets committed, which doesn't happen with the ofbiz svn
 repository.

 Cheers,

 Chris

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:24 AM, james_sgsnowme...@hotmail.com  wrote:

 Does anyone know the status of this?

 --james


 BJ Freeman wrote:

 I am for standalone framework. David has been working on that project
 for a while, if I remember correctly.

 #2 bothers me though. The design of ofbiz was that the entity was the
 controlling factor for creating DB and UI. I was one of the major
 reasons I came to ofbiz.
 That said, any work that wants to be done on UI integration that makes
 ofbiz look classy, I think should be the focus.
 A lot of work has been done in that area.
 But integrating other UI interfaces that keep the design idea of the
 entity being to controlling focus is what I would like to see.

 I don't see ofbiz being object oriented in the normal sense.

 I see the effort for the help files and a easily understood UI from
 the
 user point of view being the main factors in promoting ofbiz.




 Chris Snow sent the following on 2/24/2010 10:47 PM:

 Here are some benefits of a 10.04 standalone framework release:

 1) Standalone framework users would be a form of quality control
 helping
 to ensure more incorrect dependencies don't find there way into
 ofbiz.
 2) we would be able to promote the framework in its own right thus
 competing with OpenERP's OpenObject platform
 3) a much larger potential user base than ecommerce or erp users.

 Any more that I have missed?






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extending an eca

[chris snow]

Is it possible to extend an eca?  For example, when an order is
completed, I would like to call another service.  There is already an
OOTB eca:

eca service=changeOrderItemStatus event=commit
condition field-name=statusId operator=equals
value=ITEM_COMPLETED/
action service=checkOrderItemStatus mode=sync/
/eca

I can't see a way to extend this, should I just place a duplicate eca
definition in mycomponent, e.g.

eca service=changeOrderItemStatus event=commit
condition field-name=statusId operator=equals
value=ITEM_COMPLETED/
action service=checkOrderItemStatus mode=sync/
action service=myCustomerService mode=sync/
/eca

Will this duplicate definition override the OOTB one?

Many thanks,

Chris

currency change in general.properties not taking effect

[chris snow]

I have changed general.properties to

   defaultOrganizationPartyId=Company
   locale.properties.fallback=en_GB
   locales.available=en_GB

And start.properties to

   ofbiz.locale.default=en_GB

However, the ecommerce page is still showing prices with $ and not £

Any ideas?

Many thanks,

Chris

Re: currency change in general.properties not taking effect

[chris snow]

It was because I was logged in as admin and the old locale must have
been stuck in the session.  Restarted, logged out and logged in and £
sign is showing.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:02 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have changed general.properties to

   defaultOrganizationPartyId=Company
   locale.properties.fallback=en_GB
   locales.available=en_GB

 And start.properties to

   ofbiz.locale.default=en_GB

 However, the ecommerce page is still showing prices with $ and not £

 Any ideas?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: extending an eca

[chris snow]

 Note: unless I want to change based on commit I use one of the other
 triggers that fit my service. they all effect the same transaction.

Hi BJ, I don't understand your last line - can you please elaborate?

I would like checkOrderItemStatus and myCustomerService to be part of
the same transaction - i.e. both are successful or get rolled back.

Re: does VAT work on 9.04

[chris snow]

I have setup the accounting taxes part.

Do your products have a shipping cost?

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Info Olagos info.ola...@gmail.com wrote:
 no in my shop it is working very good.

 Did you configure it in the accounting taxes part ?

 regards,Heidi

 2010/9/17 chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com

 I've probably mis-configured my setup, but thought I would also double
 check if VAT is working on 9.04?

 My checkout VAT is always showing 0.00

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: does VAT work on 9.04

[chris snow]

Yes, under the miscellaneous sub-section.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Info Olagos info.ola...@gmail.com wrote:
 yes, they have a shipping cost.
 I use release09.04.

 Did you say in the products configuration to add tax?

 Heidi

 2010/9/17 chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com

 I have setup the accounting taxes part.

 Do your products have a shipping cost?

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Info Olagos info.ola...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  no in my shop it is working very good.
 
  Did you configure it in the accounting taxes part ?
 
  regards,Heidi
 
  2010/9/17 chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com
 
  I've probably mis-configured my setup, but thought I would also double
  check if VAT is working on 9.04?
 
  My checkout VAT is always showing 0.00
 
  Many thanks,
 
  Chris
 
 

Re: does VAT work on 9.04

[chris snow]

I found the problem - I was testing the shopping cart using the
admin userid.  The admin user didn't have a shipping address so
calcAndAddTax was just silently returning:

public void calcAndAddTax(GenericValue shipAddress) throws
GeneralException {
if (UtilValidate.isEmpty(cart.getShippingContactMechId()) 
cart.getBillingAddress() == null  shipAddress == null) {
return;
}

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:16 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, under the miscellaneous sub-section.

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Info Olagos info.ola...@gmail.com wrote:
 yes, they have a shipping cost.
 I use release09.04.

 Did you say in the products configuration to add tax?

 Heidi

 2010/9/17 chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com

 I have setup the accounting taxes part.

 Do your products have a shipping cost?

 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Info Olagos info.ola...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  no in my shop it is working very good.
 
  Did you configure it in the accounting taxes part ?
 
  regards,Heidi
 
  2010/9/17 chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com
 
  I've probably mis-configured my setup, but thought I would also double
  check if VAT is working on 9.04?
 
  My checkout VAT is always showing 0.00
 
  Many thanks,
 
  Chris
 
 

Re: selling tokens for services

[chris snow]

Hi Ruth,

I'm trying to work out the cleanest way of implementing my
requirements with minimal changes to the existing code base.  My
current thought is that I will create an ECA that will recognize when
TOKEN products have been purchased and then update a PARTY_TOKEN
table.  The PARTY_TOKEN table will then be maintained by an external
application.

Refunds/Returns will not be applicable for tokens so I will need to
switch this functionality off.  Is this configurable at the PRODUCT
level?

Many thanks,

Chris

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com wrote:
  Hi Chris:
 That doesn't sound like anything I've seen out of the box. Maybe David has
 some more insight.
 I can think of a few ways you might want to implement this, but if something
 already exists, I'd be interested in hearing about it.
 Regards,
 Ruth
 On 9/14/10 2:51 PM, chris snow wrote:

 Thanks Ruth and David,

 I've had some more clarification.  The service being sold will be
 similar to the concept of online Will production.  Here are some
 example scenarios:

 Customers will enter their personal details to go into the Will.  When
 they want a pdf of the Will they will have to pay (e.g. $50 for 1
 token).  After they have bought their token, they can change their
 data as much as they want within a fixed time frame (e.g. one year)
 and recreate the pdf without any extra charge.  The customer's social
 security number is used to identify the Will that the token is
 assigned to.

 Companies may also use the service, the more money they spend when
 buying tokens, the cheaper the tokens.  Companies may also have more
 that one member of staff who can use the tokens.  Each token will get
 allocated the social security number of the main party of the Will
 when the pdf is first created.

 The Will data is edited by an external application and the Will data
 is stored in an external application.  The pdf is created by an
 external service.  Ofbiz is required for selling tokens and managing
 the tokens.

 Does the above scenario fit any data models and processes existing in
 ofbiz?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Ruth Hoffmanrhoff...@aesolves.com
  wrote:

  Hi Chris:
 That is what I do on the MyOFBiz.com site. Here is an excerpt from my
 seed
 data:

 DataResource dataResourceId=PUB-RSS0710
 dataResourceTypeId=OFBIZ_FILE_BIN
        dataResourceName=OFBizRSS5StepGuide.pdf
        mimeTypeId=application/pdf


  objectInfo=/applications/mylibrary/data/PUBLICATIONS/OFBizRSS5StepGuide.pdf
 isPublic=Y /

 SubscriptionResource subscriptionResourceId=PUB-RSS0710
 dataResourceId=PUB-RSS0710
        description=How To Add An RSS Feed In 5 Easy Steps /

 I also have a Product record and a productId of PUB-RSS07010 which is a
 digital good. So there is a ProductSubscriptionResource record:

 ProductSubscriptionResource productId=PUB-RSS0710
 subscriptionResourceId=PUB-RSS0710 fromDate=2001-05-13 12:00:00.0
 maxLifeTime=180 maxLifeTimeUomId=TF_day /

 You would change the maxLifeTime to a value that suited your
 requirements.

 FYI - Packt just told me that the OFBiz CookBook that I've been working
 on
 with them is available on their site:
 https://www.packtpub.com/apache-ofbiz-cookbook/book

 Not sure when Amazon will have it.

 Hope this helps!
 Regards,
 Ruth

 On 9/14/10 2:29 AM, David E Jones wrote:

 Sounds like what the Subscription and related entities are desired
 for...

 -David



 On Sep 14, 2010, at 12:25 AM, chris snow wrote:

 I would like to be able to sell tokens for services using ofbiz.

 A customer will buy a token (e.g. for £30).  The token will allow
 unlimited access to a single resource (e.g. downloading a particular
 document/book) as many times as the customer requires.  Therefore, the
 token is tied to a resource id.

 Is there already a similar concept in ofbiz that I could use as the
 basis for my requirements?  Maybe the gift certificate functionality?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: ApacheCon2010 and the new OFBiz Cookbook

[chris snow]

Hi Ruth - congratulations on finishing the book!  Another welcome
addition to the ofbiz suite of documentation!

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com wrote:
  Hi All:
 Just a quick announcement that I hope won't ruffle too many feathers:

 I'm going to give away at least one copy of the new OFBiz Cookbook that I
 authored for Packt at ApacheCon2010 this year. (That is if the ASF doesn't
 find a way to stop me.) I'll have a drawing at my talk (1:00pm on Wed) that
 anyone who attends can enter. At the end of the session I'll draw a name
 from those entered and give away the book. No strings attached except you've
 gotta stay for my talk :-)

 If you're interested, I've done an opinion piece about the book, Packt and
 this give-away here: http://www.myofbiz.com/control/blog/RuthHoffman.
 [Unfortunately, I haven't got the comments part of the blog working yet and
 I'm pretty busy with a paying customer right now...but maybe by show time
 I'll have that fixed and we can start a discussion about the book.]

 Hopefully see some of you there!

 Regards,
 Ruth Hoffman

Re: removing unwanted locales

[chris snow]

Hi jacques, I did a google search before posting, but these links didn't
come up?

On 16 Sep 2010 23:51, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com
wrote:

general.properties locales.available

Also indicated in
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/Apache+OFBiz+Business+Setup+Guide?focusedCommentId=8192400#comment-8192400
and
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Apache+OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide

Good night ;o)

Jacques

From: chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com



 Is it possible to remove the unwanted locales from the ecommerce
 webapp?  In fact, my store o...

selling tokens for services

[chris snow]

I would like to be able to sell tokens for services using ofbiz.

A customer will buy a token (e.g. for £30).  The token will allow
unlimited access to a single resource (e.g. downloading a particular
document/book) as many times as the customer requires.  Therefore, the
token is tied to a resource id.

Is there already a similar concept in ofbiz that I could use as the
basis for my requirements?  Maybe the gift certificate functionality?

Many thanks,

Chris

ofbiz setup component

[chris snow]

Is the ofbizsetup component intended to be used only once (i.e. for
initial setup), or is it expected to be used multiple times (e.g. for
setting up additional products, etc)?

Many thanks...

Re: ofbiz setup component

[chris snow]

Should we put a warning in the instructions in the cmssite that the
setup component is not working? (it probably won't be working for a
while without any development effort focused on it?)

http://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/cmssite/cms/APACHE_OFBIZ_HTML#N20094

A warning on 10.04 would be very important, particularly as 10.04 is
heading towards being stable.


On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Jacques Le Roux
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote:
 I thought I had used it for setting a POS server and was able to reuse for
 some parts that were not completed. I remember it as a
 wizard, until you have not done it all you can reuse it. I was last year,
 and I'm maybe wrong.

 I agree that it still needs a lot of work...

 Jacques

 From: BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net

 actually only once, if you set the Organization to complete.
 then you get
 Setup only works if there are no organizations defined yet
 when you click  on a Organization that is set to complete.
 in the Demo data the Organizations don't have all the necessary data so
 you if you try to click on save in Facilities you will get
 an error.
 and you have to define a Facility before you define a product store and
 you have to define a product store before you can define a
 product.

 The first product setups all the underlying categories and rollups.
 they are fixed, it is functional to get a product on the Ecommerce but
 needs modification.

 Setup need a lot of work, and Hans pretty much said that he is done and
 anyone can move on with the setup.

 Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/14/2010 5:46 AM:

 It can be used many

 Jacques

 From: chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com

 Is the ofbizsetup component intended to be used only once (i.e. for
 initial setup), or is it expected to be used multiple times (e.g. for
 setting up additional products, etc)?

 Many thanks...

Re: selling tokens for services

[chris snow]

Thanks Ruth and David,

I've had some more clarification.  The service being sold will be
similar to the concept of online Will production.  Here are some
example scenarios:

Customers will enter their personal details to go into the Will.  When
they want a pdf of the Will they will have to pay (e.g. $50 for 1
token).  After they have bought their token, they can change their
data as much as they want within a fixed time frame (e.g. one year)
and recreate the pdf without any extra charge.  The customer's social
security number is used to identify the Will that the token is
assigned to.

Companies may also use the service, the more money they spend when
buying tokens, the cheaper the tokens.  Companies may also have more
that one member of staff who can use the tokens.  Each token will get
allocated the social security number of the main party of the Will
when the pdf is first created.

The Will data is edited by an external application and the Will data
is stored in an external application.  The pdf is created by an
external service.  Ofbiz is required for selling tokens and managing
the tokens.

Does the above scenario fit any data models and processes existing in ofbiz?

Many thanks,

Chris

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com wrote:
  Hi Chris:
 That is what I do on the MyOFBiz.com site. Here is an excerpt from my seed
 data:

 DataResource dataResourceId=PUB-RSS0710
 dataResourceTypeId=OFBIZ_FILE_BIN
        dataResourceName=OFBizRSS5StepGuide.pdf
        mimeTypeId=application/pdf

  objectInfo=/applications/mylibrary/data/PUBLICATIONS/OFBizRSS5StepGuide.pdf
 isPublic=Y /

 SubscriptionResource subscriptionResourceId=PUB-RSS0710
 dataResourceId=PUB-RSS0710
        description=How To Add An RSS Feed In 5 Easy Steps /

 I also have a Product record and a productId of PUB-RSS07010 which is a
 digital good. So there is a ProductSubscriptionResource record:

 ProductSubscriptionResource productId=PUB-RSS0710
 subscriptionResourceId=PUB-RSS0710 fromDate=2001-05-13 12:00:00.0
 maxLifeTime=180 maxLifeTimeUomId=TF_day /

 You would change the maxLifeTime to a value that suited your requirements.

 FYI - Packt just told me that the OFBiz CookBook that I've been working on
 with them is available on their site:
 https://www.packtpub.com/apache-ofbiz-cookbook/book

 Not sure when Amazon will have it.

 Hope this helps!
 Regards,
 Ruth

 On 9/14/10 2:29 AM, David E Jones wrote:

 Sounds like what the Subscription and related entities are desired for...

 -David



 On Sep 14, 2010, at 12:25 AM, chris snow wrote:

 I would like to be able to sell tokens for services using ofbiz.

 A customer will buy a token (e.g. for £30).  The token will allow
 unlimited access to a single resource (e.g. downloading a particular
 document/book) as many times as the customer requires.  Therefore, the
 token is tied to a resource id.

 Is there already a similar concept in ofbiz that I could use as the
 basis for my requirements?  Maybe the gift certificate functionality?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

Re: ofbiz callback functionality

[chris snow]

Ofbiz has the equivalent of triggers.  These 'triggers' can be programmed in
java so you can send jms messages, email, or make web service calls from
them.

On 27 May 2010 18:15, Peter Burgheim-Losse 
peter.burgheim.lo...@googlemail.com wrote:

Dear ofbiz list members,

to implement an ERP system into the infrastructure of a midsize company
I would like to use ofbiz but the following functionality is needed:

scenario:
A message is sent to ofbiz containing a query or an order. This query is
then accepted/rejected by a staff member. Now ofbiz has to send a message
containing this status change to an external system or somehow trigger
this system to send a status request to ofbiz.

1) Is ofbiz able to send messages to external systems?
2) Is there a trigger function at
  2.1) database layer?
  2.2) process layer?

Thanks a lot in advance for your feedback or a reference to ofbiz's
documentation.

Kind regards
Peter

Re: Sorely need testers-- was syncing code on server and laptop was demo-trunk error changing Company address

[chris snow]

Hi Sam,

A useful technique is to base tests on the use cases / activity diagrams.
It may be a good idea to focus on creating these first.

BOUML is a good free tool for UML diagramming.

Cheers,

Chris

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Sam Hamilton s...@sh81.com wrote:

 Hi Chris,

 Perhaps if we start with the a big overview of test cases per component
 people will start adding to them later for the ones that are missing?

 Perhaps the simplest tests to start adding would be ecommerce as its all
 customer facing and so in my opinion the simplest to get good selenium
 coverage.

 I can help out with some facility stuff as we use that here.

 Cheers
 Sam


 On 26/05/2010 12:12, chris snow wrote:
  Hi BJ - i'd like to start adding selenium tests, however, before adding
  selenium tests, test cases need to be created. To create test cases,
 process
  flows need to be understood/documented (I'm still at the understanding
 stage
  hence my work on the help system).  So in conclusion only those with
  detailed knowledge of ofbiz processes can start adding selenium tests
 (only
  a few people?).
 
  On 26 May 2010 03:18, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:
 
  we need button pusher and business that need to accomplish a task.
  one of the top level testing tools is selenium
  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3511
  your welcome to add to the library.
 
  =
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  http://bjfreeman.elance.com
  Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation 
  http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93
  Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/
 
  Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
 
  Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
  Linkedin
  
 
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  Matt Warnock sent the following on 5/25/2010 6:40 PM:
  Based on encouraging comments from you and Jacopo and others, and seeing
  the rate at which new commits are added, I am thinking it may be best to
  get on the trunk, even for production.  However I can't imagine running
  nightly builds on a production server.
 
  I'm thinking I'd build nightly on the development laptop, and update the
  production server every week or two, to a fairly recent, more-or-less
  known good revision level.  I'm hoping this would provide the best of
  both worlds.  And I'm hoping that this would avoid any mission-critical
  breakages until the fixes have been committed.  Does that seem
  reasonable?
 
  I don't kid myself that I can submit much code yet, but hopefully I can
  help test and document bugs, even if I can't fix them yet.  Hopefully
  that will come soon.
 
 

Re: Sorely need testers-- was syncing code on server and laptop was demo-trunk error changing Company address

[chris snow]

User manual would be a good basis, if it describes ui processes.  Where can
I find the user manual?

On 26 May 2010 10:30, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:

forgot
should use User manual as the test case.


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BJ Freeman sent the following on 5/26/2010 2:18 AM:

 Chris there are many ways to test.
 I see selenium more as business logic to data test using the ...

 BJ Freeman
 http://bjfreeman.elance.com
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http:/...

 chris snow sent the following on 5/25/2010 9:12 PM:
 Hi BJ - i'd like to start adding selenium t...

 we need button pusher and business that need to accomplish a task.
 one of the top level testin...

Re: Sorely need testers-- was syncing code on server and laptop was demo-trunk error changing Company address

[chris snow]

That's why I am focusing on improving the help / documentation!

On 26 May 2010 10:49, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:

ah the crux of the problem.
we have some but it really needs to be fleshed out.
here is a place to start
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/OFBiz+End+User+Docs+Home



=
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http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Suppl...
chris snow sent the following on 5/26/2010 2:40 AM:

 User manual would be a good basis, if it describes ui processes. Where can
 I find the user manu...

 On 26 May 2010 10:30, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:

 forgot
 should use User manu...
 Strategic Power Office with Suppli...

 BJ Freeman sent the following on 5/26/2010 2:18 AM:

 Chris there are many ways to test.
 I see selenium more as business logic to data test using the ...


 BJ Freeman
 http://bjfreeman.elance.com
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation http:/...


 chris snow sent the following on 5/25/2010 9:12 PM:
 Hi BJ - i'd like to start adding selenium t...


 we need button pusher and business that need to accomplish a task.
 one of the top level testin...

Re: Sorely need testers-- was syncing code on server and laptop was demo-trunk error changing Company address

[chris snow]

Hi BJ - i'd like to start adding selenium tests, however, before adding
selenium tests, test cases need to be created. To create test cases, process
flows need to be understood/documented (I'm still at the understanding stage
hence my work on the help system).  So in conclusion only those with
detailed knowledge of ofbiz processes can start adding selenium tests (only
a few people?).

On 26 May 2010 03:18, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:

we need button pusher and business that need to accomplish a task.
one of the top level testing tools is selenium
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3511
your welcome to add to the library.

=
BJ Freeman
http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation 
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93
Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/

Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Linkedin

http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro



Matt Warnock sent the following on 5/25/2010 6:40 PM:
 Based on encouraging comments from you and Jacopo and others, and seeing
 the rate at which new commits are added, I am thinking it may be best to
 get on the trunk, even for production.  However I can't imagine running
 nightly builds on a production server.

 I'm thinking I'd build nightly on the development laptop, and update the
 production server every week or two, to a fairly recent, more-or-less
 known good revision level.  I'm hoping this would provide the best of
 both worlds.  And I'm hoping that this would avoid any mission-critical
 breakages until the fixes have been committed.  Does that seem
 reasonable?

 I don't kid myself that I can submit much code yet, but hopefully I can
 help test and document bugs, even if I can't fix them yet.  Hopefully
 that will come soon.

Re: what does link party actually do?

[chris snow]

Hi BJ,

So does 'link party' allow the children parties to perform the same tasks as
the parent party?  Is this in all aspects of ofbiz?

Many thanks,

Chris

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:02 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:

 create a party group that is the owner of the catalog.
 then add the parties to the group

 link party links two parties together

 =
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 http://bjfreeman.elance.com
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation 
 http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93
 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/

 Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

 Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
 Linkedin
 
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 Patrick sent the following on 5/20/2010 10:36 AM:
  I want to have a group with multiple users where anyone in the group
  can modify a catalog.  I found the link party button, can you tell
  me what it does?
  -Patrick
 

Re: ofbiz auction functionality

[Chris Snow]

Hi Sam,

I would like to be able to run a private (invited guests only) auction
instead of having to use a public auction site like ebay.

Cheers,

Chris

 How do you mean? Like running eBay but on top of OFBiz?

 Cheers
 Sam

 On 18/05/2010 02:07, Chris Snow wrote:
 Has anyone made any progress on developing auction software on top of
 ofbiz?

 Many thanks,

 Chris





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Re: ofbiz auction functionality

[chris snow]

Hi Deyan,

I don't have any specific requirements, just a couple of potential clients
that are interested in running their own auctions.

What stage are you with building auction fuctionality in ofbiz - do you have
an implementation?

Many thanks,

Chris

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Deyan Tsvetanov
deyan_of...@flexbrix.comwrote:

 Hi Chris,

 I have researched the auctions case. It is quite possible to implement
 auctions on top of ofbiz without modifying the data model. However it
 all depends on how far would you like to go :)
 Some of the services need to be  modified or skipped at all. But in
 general no changes to any tables would be necessary, which  means you
 could still use accounting OOTB for example.

 If you could be a little bit more specific with your requirements than
 perhaps I could be more specific with the hints :)

 Cheers,
 Deyan

 On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 13:19 +0100, Chris Snow wrote:
  Hi Sam,
 
  I would like to be able to run a private (invited guests only) auction
  instead of having to use a public auction site like ebay.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Chris
 
   How do you mean? Like running eBay but on top of OFBiz?
  
   Cheers
   Sam
  
   On 18/05/2010 02:07, Chris Snow wrote:
   Has anyone made any progress on developing auction software on top of
   ofbiz?
  
   Many thanks,
  
   Chris
  
  
  
 
 

demo-stable still pointing to trunk?

[Chris Snow]

demo-stable is showing Release-revision : trunk-945153 in the footer,
even though demo-stable url is no longer redirecting to demo-trunk.

Re: Permission required to add product to ViewAllow / PurchaseAllow

[chris snow]

Hi Ruth,

So are the following tooltip help popups incorrect?:

https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/EditProdCatalog?prodCatalogId=DemoCatalog
(to see the tooltips, hover your mouse over the field labels)

Do you agree with these tooltips?:

https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/EditProductStore?productStoreId=9000

There is a JIRA setup for tooltip help descriptions:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3743

Many thanks,

Chris
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.comwrote:

 Hi Chris:
 The permissions you are talking about are the runtime checks (not really
 permissions) that OFBiz will perform if configured. So, these aren't
 applicable to the catalog admin, but rather the products and the categories
 the products are part of. This is how the catalog admin or product manager
 may keep a product in the catalog, but not allow viewing and/or purchase of
 the product (depending on the situation.)

 Hope that makes sense.

 Regards,
 Ruth
 
 Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword myofbiz
 ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com

 chris snow wrote:

 Hi BJ,

 I know how the security system works - but I still don't understand the
 meaning of the fields on the form:

 https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/EditProdCatalog

 I am trying to write the help text for these fields from an catalog
 administrators perspective, for example:

 Permission required to add product to ViewAllow category:

  if this is Y, catalog administrators can only add products to 'View
 Allow' categories if the have the permission CATALOG_VIEW_ALLOW

 Question: is this description correct? when would you want to set this to
 Y?

 Permission required to add product to PurchaseAllow category:

  if this is Y, catalog administrators can only add products to 'Purchase
 Allow' categories if the have the permission CATALOG_VIEW_ALLOW

 Question: is this description correct? when would you want to set this to
 Y?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

 On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:21 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:



 the permission are  programmed in to widgets, ftl and services.
 there are two parts to a permission
  is the permission
  is that action
 _
 _VIEW for permission.
 _VIEW should only allow seeing data. note the _ preceding it.
 if you want to granularize something more then created a new section or
 Permission _
 here are the permission groups


 https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/webtools/control/FindGeneric?entityName=UserLoginSecurityGroupfind=trueVIEW_SIZE=50VIEW_INDEX=0
 and add the following
 _CREATE
 _UPDATE
 _DELETE
 _VIEW
 _ADMIN


 https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/webtools/control/FindGeneric?entityName=SecurityGroupPermissionfind=trueVIEW_SIZE=50VIEW_INDEX=0
 like


 !security.hasPermission(LEARN_VIEW,(GenericValue)context.get(userLogin)))
 if-has-permission permission=ORDERMGR action=_VIEW/



 If you find others that are different they are not following the best
 practices.

 ===

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 http://bjfreeman.elance.com
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation 
 http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93
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Christopher Snow sent the following on 5/15/2010 2:28 PM:


 There are two options when creating/editing a Product Catalog:

 - Permission required to add product to ViewAllow category
 - Permission required to add product to PurchaseAllow category

 What do these options actually do?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

ofbiz auction functionality

[Chris Snow]

Has anyone made any progress on developing auction software on top of ofbiz?

Many thanks,

Chris

Re: Permission required to add product to ViewAllow / PurchaseAllow

[chris snow]

Hi BJ,

I know how the security system works - but I still don't understand the
meaning of the fields on the form:

https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/EditProdCatalog

I am trying to write the help text for these fields from an catalog
administrators perspective, for example:

Permission required to add product to ViewAllow category:

  if this is Y, catalog administrators can only add products to 'View
Allow' categories if the have the permission CATALOG_VIEW_ALLOW

Question: is this description correct? when would you want to set this to Y?

Permission required to add product to PurchaseAllow category:

  if this is Y, catalog administrators can only add products to 'Purchase
Allow' categories if the have the permission CATALOG_VIEW_ALLOW

Question: is this description correct? when would you want to set this to Y?

Many thanks,

Chris

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:21 PM, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:


 the permission are  programmed in to widgets, ftl and services.
 there are two parts to a permission
  is the permission
  is that action
 _
 _VIEW for permission.
 _VIEW should only allow seeing data. note the _ preceding it.
 if you want to granularize something more then created a new section or
 Permission _
 here are the permission groups

 https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/webtools/control/FindGeneric?entityName=UserLoginSecurityGroupfind=trueVIEW_SIZE=50VIEW_INDEX=0
 and add the following
 _CREATE
 _UPDATE
 _DELETE
 _VIEW
 _ADMIN

 https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/webtools/control/FindGeneric?entityName=SecurityGroupPermissionfind=trueVIEW_SIZE=50VIEW_INDEX=0
 like

 !security.hasPermission(LEARN_VIEW,(GenericValue)context.get(userLogin)))
 if-has-permission permission=ORDERMGR action=_VIEW/



 If you find others that are different they are not following the best
 practices.

 ===

 BJ Freeman
 http://bjfreeman.elance.com
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation 
 http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=93
 Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/

 Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

 Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
 Linkedin
 
 http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=key=1237480locale=en_UStrk=tab_pro
 


 Christopher Snow sent the following on 5/15/2010 2:28 PM:
  There are two options when creating/editing a Product Catalog:
 
  - Permission required to add product to ViewAllow category
  - Permission required to add product to PurchaseAllow category
 
  What do these options actually do?
 
  Many thanks,
 
  Chris
 

ofbiz 10.04 svn

[Chris Snow]

Hi Guys,

Where is 10.04 in svn? Is it:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/branches/release10.04/ ?

Many thanks,

Chris

Re: How to send nice html newsletters?

[chris snow]

Birt is one option.

On 8 May 2010 09:29, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,
I would like to send a nicely shaped HTML newsletter to users subscribed in
a contact list.
How to do this?
Should I define a FTL file? A piece of content? And then how to make the
content being sent to the list?

Thank you very much for any pointer on something already in place OOTB or
for any suggestion on how to implement this.

-Bruno

Re: How to send nice html newsletters?

[chris snow]

I'm not in front of my pc at the moment so take this with a pinch on salt

On 8 May 2010 11:00, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Chris,
so, at the moment, there is no UI to select a content (or a Birt report) to
be sent to a Contact list, right?
What would be the best way to extend the OOTB applications to add this
feature in a general way so that could be submitted back to the trunk?

-Bruno

2010/5/8 chris snow chsnow...@googlemail.com


 Birt is one option.

 On 8 May 2010 09:29, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,...

Re: where can i find the ManagerApplicationXXX.pdf reference manuals?

[chris snow]

Thanks Jacques.

On 3 May 2010 10:08, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote:

Hi Chris,

In attachments under this page
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/Undersun+Doc+Site+PDF+Exports

Here is my recommended way of searching: look for Searching in the wiki
at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Mailing+Lists

Jacques

From: Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk



 Hi Forum,

 Where can I find the Manager Reference guides as contributed by Undersun,
i.e.?
...

data models

[Chris Snow]

I can no longer find the data models (e.g.
AllDiagramsAndTOC_20081030.pdf).  Can someone please point me in the right
direction?

Many thanks,

Chris

Re: data models

[chris snow]

Thanks BJ.

On 26 Apr 2010 16:03, BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Home
fourth one down.


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Chris Snow sent the following on 4/26/2010 7:19 AM:

 I can no longer find the data models (e.g.
 AllDiagramsAndTOC_20081030.pdf). Can someone please ...

Re: Mysql database

[Chris Snow]

What url are you trying?
What version of ofbiz are you using?
Have you installed the demo or seed data?

If you have just installed seed and not demo data, try using the ofbizsetup

 That ofbiz.visual_theme database is not available is what I get when
 configure ofbiz with mysql.What should i do
 ? Thanks in advance

Re: standalone inventory management

[chris snow]

Thanks Jacques!

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Jacques Le Roux 
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote:

 Yes, this may adapted/used
 https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/facility/control/FindFacilityPhysicalInventory

 Jacques

 From: Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk

  Hi forum,

 I have a customer who has an urgent need for a stock management solution.
 Ultimately, they will require a lot more erp functionality, but initially
 they just need to manage stock.

 I have seen the functionality in ofbiz for receiving stock, but was
 wondering if it is possible to deplete stock from the system without
 having to pace a customer order.

 Is this possible?

 Many thanks,

 Chris

standalone inventory management

[Chris Snow]

Hi forum,

I have a customer who has an urgent need for a stock management solution. 
Ultimately, they will require a lot more erp functionality, but initially
they just need to manage stock.

I have seen the functionality in ofbiz for receiving stock, but was
wondering if it is possible to deplete stock from the system without
having to pace a customer order.

Is this possible?

Many thanks,

Chris

Re: OSGi based OFBiz framework

[chris snow]

Hi Jacques, I think for the client Raj is using RAP from eclipse - the
following link describes it in a few words: http://www.eclipse.org/rap



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Jacques Le Roux 
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com wrote:

 Hi Raj,

 Could you please explain more the client-side section? Did you use
 something GWT, or?

 Thanks

 Jacques

 From: Raj Saini rajsa...@gmail.com
 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
 Cc: BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net
 Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:27 AM
 Subject: Re: OSGi based OFBiz framework



  Hi BJ,

 Purpose of the demo is to show how to:

 Service side
 -
 1. Run OFBiz inside a OFBiz container using OSGi based runtime such as
 Apache Felix and Eclipse Equinox and reap the benefits of OSGi. You can find
 about OSGi benefits at this URL http://www.osgi.org/About/WhyOSGi.
 2. Make OFBiz more modular that is separating the framework (entity
 engine, service engine etc) from the applications.
 3. Provide remoting capabilities to OFBiz services using OSGi remote
 services.
 4. Use other technologies such as JPA along with OGBiz entity engine.

 Client side
 ---
 1. Create Rich applications with the similar capabilities and ease of use
 of Desktop based applications.
 2. Run the single client application either on web or desktop with minimal
 or no changes to the code.
 3. Plug-in based development of application that is, to add new
 functionality to the application, you do not need access to source code. You
 can simply create new bundles/plug-ins and they add to the existing
 application, same as Eclipse Plug-ins.

 To get the feel of the application, try double clicking on the examples in
 the left pane. Try editing the example in the right pane. See how changes
 are populated from one pane to another even without saving the application.
 Try changing the column width, you will get the same feel as a desktop
 application. Try emptying the name field and see the validation decoration
 with a tool tip.

 Regards,

 Raj

 On 16/04/10 13:59, BJ Freeman wrote:

 could you explain what I am looking at and what it shows that you
 consider important, relative to ofbiz?

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 Raj Saini sent the following on 4/16/2010 12:37 AM:


 Those who want to peek into running example without installing the
 application, here is the link:

 http://www.viithiisys.com:/demo?startup=example

 Thanks,

 Raj

 On 16/04/10 01:51, Raj Saini wrote:


 Hi,

 I have been working on OSGi and OFBiz integration for a while. I could
 successfully, run the OFBiz framework (entity engine and service
 engine) as OSGi services. With this integration it is possible to run
 Framework only OFBiz and use the OFBiz service engine for non form
 widget applications (e.g. GWT, JSF etc). This should be interesting
 for people wanting to use the service engine and entity engine.

 For my experiment I have  Eclipse RAP (http://www.eclipse.org/rap) for
 presentation layer and ported the part of Example application. My RAP
 example application is using OFBiz entity engine to fetch some of the
 data and service engine to create and update the examples.

 I have uploaded the installable bundle at SF and it is available at

 https://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz-osgi/files/osgi-ofbiz.tar.bz2/download


 Requirements:

 Platform - Current distribution works only on Linux (x86_64) systems.
 This restriction is due to the executable including in the
 distribution. It should be possible to run it using java -jar command
 but it will need some configuration which is not ready yet.

 Database - PostgreSQL DB server with database named 'ofbiz' and owned
 by user 'ofbiz' and password 'ofbiz'.  It is possible to use other
 databases but there are not JDBC driver bundles yet. Database server
 must be running on localhost. It is possible to use the server running
 on other hosts but it will need the change in entityengine.xml.

 Demo data - OFBiz demo data loaded in the database as I am using
 example and other related entities in the demo application.

 Install  Run:

 1. Extract the tar achieve on your hard disk.
 2. Change to osgi-ofbiz folder.
 3. Execute ./ofbiz -console.
 4. point your browser to http://localhost:8080/demo?startup=example

 Example application is written using Eclipse RAP. On application
 startup, you should see a table with existing examples in the left
 pane. Try changing the length of the columns.

 Double clicking on a example should open it in the right pane editor.
 Changing a field value in the editor should show instantly in the
 right left panel (table view). Try emptying the name field in 

Re: OSGi based OFBiz framework

[chris snow]

This is excellent news Raj - congratulations!

Do you think it will eventually be practical to push your work into trunk so
that the ofbiz container system could be replaced with OSGi?

Many thanks,

Chris

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Raj Saini rajsa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I have been working on OSGi and OFBiz integration for a while. I could
 successfully, run the OFBiz framework (entity engine and service engine) as
 OSGi services. With this integration it is possible to run Framework only
 OFBiz and use the OFBiz service engine for non form widget applications
 (e.g. GWT, JSF etc). This should be interesting for people wanting to use
 the service engine and entity engine.

 For my experiment I have  Eclipse RAP (http://www.eclipse.org/rap) for
 presentation layer and ported the part of Example application. My RAP
 example application is using OFBiz entity engine to fetch some of the data
 and service engine to create and update the examples.

 I have uploaded the installable bundle at SF and it is available at
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/ofbiz-osgi/files/osgi-ofbiz.tar.bz2/download

 Requirements:

 Platform - Current distribution works only on Linux (x86_64) systems. This
 restriction is due to the executable including in the distribution. It
 should be possible to run it using java -jar command but it will need some
 configuration which is not ready yet.

 Database - PostgreSQL DB server with database named 'ofbiz' and owned by
 user 'ofbiz' and password 'ofbiz'.  It is possible to use other databases
 but there are not JDBC driver bundles yet. Database server must be running
 on localhost. It is possible to use the server running on other hosts but it
 will need the change in entityengine.xml.

 Demo data - OFBiz demo data loaded in the database as I am using example
 and other related entities in the demo application.

 Install  Run:

 1. Extract the tar achieve on your hard disk.
 2. Change to osgi-ofbiz folder.
 3. Execute ./ofbiz -console.
 4. point your browser to http://localhost:8080/demo?startup=example

 Example application is written using Eclipse RAP. On application startup,
 you should see a table with existing examples in the left pane. Try changing
 the length of the columns.

 Double clicking on a example should open it in the right pane editor.
 Changing a field value in the editor should show instantly in the right left
 panel (table view). Try emptying the name field in the editor and it should
 show you a validation decorator. Hovering mouse on decorator should show you
 the validation message. As soon as you change any field, an asterisk (*)
 should appear next to the title on editor pane. Trying closing the editor
 and you should see a dialog box prompting to save before closing. Save the
 example by clicking on save button on toolbar.

 3. Try creating an new example. Save the example and you should see the
 newly added example in the left pane without browser refresh.

 Should you need any further help, feel free to ask me. Look forward to your
 feedback.

 Regards,

 Raj

Re: What is a partyRoleId of _NA_ used for?

[chris snow]

Hi BJ,

I don't fully understand your response, can you please elaborate?

Many thanks,

Chris
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virtual product and features

[Chris Snow]

Can a variant product be linked to a virtual product without using features?

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Re: Party Main Role

[chris snow]

Hi Rishi,  how is the main role differentiated from the other roles?

Many thanks,

Chris

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Rishi Solanki rishisolan...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,
 It is coming from RoleType entity in the dropdown.
 The Party main role as well as any other role is stored in PartyRole like ;
 BUYER, SALES_REP, CUSTOMER etc.

 Rishi Solanki
 Enterprise Software Developer
 HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.


 On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Christopher Snow 
 sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote:

  In the party find screen, there is a column to show the Party's Main
 Role.
 
  Where is the party main role stored?
 
  Many thanks in advance,
 
  Chris
 

Re: EZBiz

[chris snow]

I would like to help, but would need some expert guidance for a task this
big.

Cheers,

Chris

On 12 Mar 2010 20:13, David E Jones d...@me.com wrote:


The OFBiz EZBiz effort never really got off the ground. I put my work so far
on the wiki in hopes that others would get involved, but that hasn't
happened yet. I suppose I might some day try to develop the whole thing
myself, but that was never my intention.

Maybe the best analogy for it is the story of The Little Red Hen. In the
case of EZBiz however, there is no Little Red Hen to make the bread, just a
bunch of us other animals (including me) who want to eat the bread.

-David



On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:56 PM, ScottA wrote:


 Hi David et al,

 I know back in late October ...

Re: OFBIZ OSGi - WAS: Brain-storm: OFBIZ on Grails

[chris snow]

Hi Raj, that's fantastic news. Do you have any code that I can play with?

On 9 Mar 2010 08:16, Raj Saini rajsa...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Chris,

I could manage to run OBFiz entity as OSGi. I have created separate OSGi
bundles for base, entity, start and geronimo components. However, due to
some circular dependencies, I had to merge base and geronimo with entity.
Now, it is possible to run the OFBiz minimal container on top of Equinox
OSGi kernel.

I will we working on creating a small application using entity engine and
OSGi embedded web container (Jetty). Using embedded web container would
allow to create web applications based on OFBiz using other technologies
such as JSF, Struts etc.

Thanks,

Raj



 Hi Raj,

 I have some questions / ideas regarding OSGi - shall we use your
ofbiz-osgi
 forum ...

security freemarker tags

[chris snow]

Are there any security freemarker transform tags? E.g. something like:

@ofbizHasPermission
@ofbizHasRole

exporting services with REST - part 1

[chris snow]

I have put some instructions at
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/rQPifor manually exporting
services with REST.

More to follow...

Re: integration of JBoss and JBPM with OFBiz

[chris snow]

Hi Shi - I look forward to this!

Do you have drools integration too?  I have done some integration with
drools, but it was a bit of a hack due to time constraints.

Cheers,

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OFBIZ OSGi - WAS: Brain-storm: OFBIZ on Grails

[chris snow]

Hi Raj,

I have some questions / ideas regarding OSGi - shall we use your ofbiz-osgi
forum on sourceforge for our discussions?

Many thanks,

Chris
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Re: Brain-storm: OFBIZ on Grails, is this a right way for the future?

[Chris Snow]

 good. But it is a
 different
 story for the long term platform maintainers and customizers. With
 adequate
 open practice, can we gain enough experience to concentrate on a
 consistent
 way to do development task in OFBIZ? (To make me clear, I'm not
 advocating a
 single programming language to solve any problem).

   So..., why I'm still interested in OFBIZ? I must admit even with
 the
 complains, I'm still an OFBIZ fans till now. The answer is the
 business
 level functionalities. This is the real strength of OFBIZ.

   Since most services and actions have implemented in groovy/Java,
 porting
 these code to Grails are smooth. With the leverage of Groovy DSL
 over
 mini-lang, we will go further. Theoretically the chance to migrate
 the whole
 OFBIZ package to Grails platform are possible (more serious
 research work
 needs to be done in this area), while keeping the strength of
 OFBIZ - the
 business level assets accumulated in years.

   Of course it will not be an easy step, only great gains worth
 such huge
 change. So what we may gain from the transition:
 * Faster development speed - more efficient, on-rails level;
 * Less code - less maintenance spend;
 * More concentrate - No more re-invent wheel. Let's concentrate on
 what
 makes OFBIZ unique and leading-edge in limited resource;
 * More 3rd party software integration ability - provided by the
 Grails
 platform and plenty of plugins;
 * Easier deployment - no more embedding Tomcat, just standard war
 packages,
 which is deployable to any container, even cloud computing
 providers;
 * Last but not least, more smooth learning curve - the key factor
 to gain
 more new coming user and make success.

   Is this a right way to the future? Any thoughts?

 Regards,
 Miles.












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Re: Brain-storm: OFBIZ on Grails, is this a right way for the future?

[Chris Snow]

 platform maintainers and customizers. With
 adequate
 open practice, can we gain enough experience to concentrate on a
 consistent
 way to do development task in OFBIZ? (To make me clear, I'm not
 advocating a
 single programming language to solve any problem).

   So..., why I'm still interested in OFBIZ? I must admit even with
 the
 complains, I'm still an OFBIZ fans till now. The answer is the
 business
 level functionalities. This is the real strength of OFBIZ.

   Since most services and actions have implemented in groovy/Java,
 porting
 these code to Grails are smooth. With the leverage of Groovy DSL
 over
 mini-lang, we will go further. Theoretically the chance to migrate
 the whole
 OFBIZ package to Grails platform are possible (more serious
 research work
 needs to be done in this area), while keeping the strength of
 OFBIZ - the
 business level assets accumulated in years.

   Of course it will not be an easy step, only great gains worth
 such huge
 change. So what we may gain from the transition:
 * Faster development speed - more efficient, on-rails level;
 * Less code - less maintenance spend;
 * More concentrate - No more re-invent wheel. Let's concentrate on
 what
 makes OFBIZ unique and leading-edge in limited resource;
 * More 3rd party software integration ability - provided by the
 Grails
 platform and plenty of plugins;
 * Easier deployment - no more embedding Tomcat, just standard war
 packages,
 which is deployable to any container, even cloud computing
 providers;
 * Last but not least, more smooth learning curve - the key factor
 to gain
 more new coming user and make success.

   Is this a right way to the future? Any thoughts?

 Regards,
 Miles.












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why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

[Chris Snow]

Here are some benefits of a 10.04 standalone framework release:

1) Standalone framework users would be a form of quality control helping
to ensure more incorrect dependencies don't find there way into ofbiz.
2) we would be able to promote the framework in its own right thus
competing with OpenERP's OpenObject platform
3) a much larger potential user base than ecommerce or erp users.

Any more that I have missed?


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why we should have a 10.04 standalone framework release

[Chris Snow]

Here are some benefits of a 10.04 standalone framework release:

1) Standalone framework users would be a form of quality control helping
to ensure more incorrect dependencies don't find there way into ofbiz.
2) we would be able to promote the framework in its own right thus
competing with OpenERP's OpenObject platform
3) a much larger potential user base than ecommerce or erp users.

Any more that I have missed?


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Re: what a mess! is framework independence ever going to be possible?

[Chris Snow]

Thanks for the feedback Adrian.  Would it be worth me writing a tool that
runs as part of the build process that reports on the dependencies?  It
could throw a warning/error when a new invalid dependency is checked in?

 Chris,

 Framework independence has been a goal for quite a while. There is no
 disagreement that the framework should run on its own. The disagreements
 arise in what constitutes the framework.

 Let's assume for a moment that framework independence means running the
 components in the framework folder independently from anything else in
 OFBiz. Right away the problem with that idea is that visual themes are in
 a separate folder outside the framework folder. Does framework
 independence include the visual themes folder? That has not been
 discussed. Then there are the multitude of dependencies upon the
 applications folder.

 From my perspective, achieving this objective will require a two pronged
 approach: 1) Identify the framework dependencies on outside components,
 and 2) avoid introducing new framework dependencies on outside components.

 The first prong can be accomplished through contributions from people like
 you - find the dependencies and create patches to fix them.

 The responsibility of the second prong is up to the committers. We need to
 be more vigilant to guard against introducing new dependencies.

 Personally I believe it will be possible, BUT it won't be easy. The
 obstacles to overcome will be getting people to contribute to the effort,
 and getting committers to avoid introducing new dependencies.

 -Adrian


 --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote:

 From: Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk
 Subject: what a mess! is framework independence ever going to be
 possible?
 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
 Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 10:58 PM
 I'm back to the process of working
 out how to get a standalone framework running based on
 trunk, but I have found that the dependencies have got out
 of hand (if I've understood the code right):

 Framework  depends on Themes
 Themes depends on Content
 Content depends on Party

 The questions I'm starting to ask myself are:

 Is is ever going to be possible to have framework
 independence in trunk?  Independence in 9.04 is
 relatively trivial (rewrite security screens) perhaps the
 most sensible thing would be to do a fork of 9.04 and then
 back port all framework related commits from trunk? 

 Any ideas anyone?

 Many thanks,

 Chris







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Re: what a mess! is framework independence ever going to be possible?

[Chris Snow]

Shall I raise a jira for this? Is there any documentation on the build and
test process for ofbiz? e.g. does buildbot run ofbiz and run any tests?

 We can probably start with something simple: add an ant task that simply
 builds the framework (applications and specialpurpose will be ignored) and
 then an ant task to run the framework only.
 This will require some minor tweaks to the base component loading
 mechanism, but it should be trivial. Right now the only way (I am aware
 of) of building a framework only distro is to remove (or similar) the
 application and specialpurpose folders.

 Jacopo


 On Feb 6, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Adrian Crum wrote:

 A tool would certainly help. If such a tool was included in OFBiz, then
 it would have to be compatible with the Apache license.

 -Adrian

 --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote:

 From: Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk
 Subject: Re: what a mess! is framework independence ever going to be
   possible?
 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
 Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:02 AM
 Thanks for the feedback Adrian.
 Would it be worth me writing a tool that
 runs as part of the build process that reports on the
 dependencies?  It
 could throw a warning/error when a new invalid dependency
 is checked in?

 Chris,

 Framework independence has been a goal for quite a
 while. There is no
 disagreement that the framework should run on its own.
 The disagreements
 arise in what constitutes the framework.

 Let's assume for a moment that framework independence
 means running the
 components in the framework folder independently from
 anything else in
 OFBiz. Right away the problem with that idea is that
 visual themes are in
 a separate folder outside the framework folder. Does
 framework
 independence include the visual themes folder? That
 has not been
 discussed. Then there are the multitude of
 dependencies upon the
 applications folder.

 From my perspective, achieving this objective will
 require a two pronged
 approach: 1) Identify the framework dependencies on
 outside components,
 and 2) avoid introducing new framework dependencies on
 outside components.

 The first prong can be accomplished through
 contributions from people like
 you - find the dependencies and create patches to fix
 them.

 The responsibility of the second prong is up to the
 committers. We need to
 be more vigilant to guard against introducing new
 dependencies.

 Personally I believe it will be possible, BUT it won't
 be easy. The
 obstacles to overcome will be getting people to
 contribute to the effort,
 and getting committers to avoid introducing new
 dependencies.

 -Adrian


 --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk
 wrote:

 From: Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk
 Subject: what a mess! is framework independence
 ever going to be
 possible?
 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
 Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 10:58 PM
 I'm back to the process of working
 out how to get a standalone framework running
 based on
 trunk, but I have found that the dependencies have
 got out
 of hand (if I've understood the code right):

 Framework  depends on Themes
 Themes depends on Content
 Content depends on Party

 The questions I'm starting to ask myself are:

 Is is ever going to be possible to have
 framework
 independence in trunk?  Independence in 9.04 is
 relatively trivial (rewrite security screens)
 perhaps the
 most sensible thing would be to do a fork of 9.04
 and then
 back port all framework related commits from
 trunk? 

 Any ideas anyone?

 Many thanks,

 Chris







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Re: party component dependency on accounting

[Chris Snow]

Is the invoice dependent on party or partyId?

 I didn't say that. I asked How do you create an invoice without a party?
 An invoice implies two parties - the party being billed and the party
 doing the billing.

 -Adrian

 --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Abdullah Shaikh abdullah.shaik...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Abdullah Shaikh abdullah.shaik...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: party component dependency on accounting
 To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
 Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:30 AM
 I guess we can remove this kind on
 interdependency too by having services to
 communicate with other components instead of using a class
 of some other
 component to directly call a method.

 As Adrian said, we can create an invoice without party, but
 we can have
 services using which the account  party component can
 interact, this way
 the components can work independent of each other and can
 interact with
 other component only when required using services.

 For example party is dependent on invoice, and to interact
 with invoice a
 class of invoice component is being used, in this case its
 necessary to have
 the invoice component too, and if interaction would have
 been using
 services, the party component would have compiled/run
 successfully and would
 have failed only when services related to invoice are
 required and for this
 the user could add the invoice component.

 I don't know if I am missing something, but I feel that the
 interaction
 between components using services would help in eliminating
 the component
 interdependency.


 - Abdullah

 On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  Also keep in mind that interdependency between some
 components is
  intentional and sometimes necessary. Think about it -
 how do you create an
  invoice without a party?
 
  -Adrian
 
  --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Jacopo Cappellato
 jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com
  wrote:
 
   From: Jacopo Cappellato jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com
   Subject: Re: party component dependency on
 accounting
   To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
   Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:01 AM
   Hi Christopher,
  
   no, the PartyAcctgPreference entity is defined in
 the
   accounting component (it is used to define
 accounting
   preferences for a given organization) and so it
 cannot be
   moved to the party component.
  
   Kind regards,
  
   Jacopo
  
   On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Christopher Snow
 wrote:
  
In the party component, there is a view
 dependent on
   the accounting component:
   
      view-entity
   entity-name=PartyAcctgPrefAndGroup
   
     
 package-name=org.ofbiz.party.party
   
      title=PartyAcctgPreference and
 PartyGroup
   Entity
      
    member-entity
   entity-alias=PTYACCPREF
   entity-name=PartyAcctgPreference/
      
    member-entity
   entity-alias=PTYGROUP
 entity-name=PartyGroup/
          alias
   entity-alias=PTYACCPREF 
 name=partyId/
          alias
   entity-alias=PTYACCPREF
   name=baseCurrencyUomId/
          alias
   entity-alias=PTYGROUP 
 name=groupName/
      
    view-link
   entity-alias=PTYACCPREF
 rel-entity-alias=PTYGROUP
   
      key-map
 field-name=partyId/
      
    /view-link
      /view-entity
   
Should this view be relocated to the
 accounting
   component?
   
Many thanks in advance...
  
  
 
 
 
 







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Re: what is the purpose of the commonext component?

[chris snow]

It appears that the dependencies have completely reversed for commonext too? 
From being used by most other components to now using most other
components...

9.04:

load-component component-location=commonext/!-- common component
used by most other components --

trunk:

!-- common component used by most other components last because it uses
info from most components--
!--load-component component-location=commonext/--

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logging documentation

[Chris Snow]

Hi Forum,

Is there any documentation on tweaking the logging?  I want to be able 
to display the generated SQL to debug some of my tests.


Many thanks,

chris

Re: Axis2 service in OFBIZ?

[Chris Snow]

Hi Mario, how did you install ofbiz - from svn?

On 27/01/2010 09:57, MarioF wrote:

Hi Chris,

I follow the steps in that document but I receive an error. I only made the
following change in the step 4 (Create your axis client): opts.setTo(new
EndpointReference(http://localhost:8080/webtools/control/SOAPService;));
The rest is all the same.

The error that I receive is this:

Exception in thread main org.apache.axis2.AxisFault:
com.ctc.wstx.exc.WstxEOFException: Unexpected EOF in prolog
  at [row,col {unknown-source}]: [1,0]
at org.apache.axis2.AxisFault.makeFault(AxisFault.java:430)
at
org.apache.axis2.transport.TransportUtils.createSOAPMessage(TransportUtils.java:118)
at
org.apache.axis2.transport.TransportUtils.createSOAPMessage(TransportUtils.java:67)
at
org.apache.axis2.description.OutInAxisOperationClient.handleResponse(OutInAxisOperation.java:354)
at
org.apache.axis2.description.OutInAxisOperationClient.send(OutInAxisOperation.java:417)
at
org.apache.axis2.description.OutInAxisOperationClient.executeImpl(OutInAxisOperation.java:229)
at
org.apache.axis2.client.OperationClient.execute(OperationClient.java:165)
at
org.apache.axis2.client.ServiceClient.sendReceive(ServiceClient.java:539)
at
org.apache.axis2.client.ServiceClient.sendReceive(ServiceClient.java:520)
at
org.ofbiz.test.notifyJobFinishedClient.main(notifyJobFinishedClient.java:61)


I read that your document is only relevant to release r892712+. I don't know
which is my release. Could be the problem related to the release? Do you
know why I am receiving this error?

Thanks in advance,
Mario.

   

Re: Axis2 service in OFBIZ?

[Chris Snow]

Whick trunk did you download?

On 27/01/2010 10:14, MarioF wrote:

We downloaded one of the trunks and then we made with it a local svn to work
with it.
   

Re: logging documentation

[Chris Snow]

Hi Jacques, is there any general documentation on configuring the 
logging in ofbiz.


On 27/01/2010 10:15, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-1030

HTH

Jacques

From: Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk

Hi Forum,

Is there any documentation on tweaking the logging?  I want to be 
able to display the generated SQL to debug some of my tests.


Many thanks,

chris

Re: Axis2 service in OFBIZ?

[Chris Snow]

You have downloaded revision 889551.  The soap instructions I wrote 
won't work unless you are running at least revision 892712.


On 27/01/2010 10:51, MarioF wrote:

I downloaded this one:

http://build.ofbiz.org/builds/ofbiz-trunk-2009-12-11-v889551.zip
http://build.ofbiz.org/builds/ofbiz-trunk-2009-12-11-v889551.zip



   

Re: logging documentation

[chris snow]

I was expecting to just add the following to log4j.xml, but it's not making
any difference to the console output.

category name=org.ofbiz.entity
priority value=all/
appender-ref ref=stdout/
/category
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Re: does anyone know ofbiz?

[Chris Snow]

David E Jones wrote:

Your best bet to find things in OFBiz is to gain an understanding of the data 
model, and then to use tools like the Artifact Info stuff in web tools to find 
related artifacts (ie controller requests and views, screens, forms, service 
definitions, service implementations, and so on. When you do this you'll see a 
number of process snippets that are modeled as services (like creating an 
order), or triggers that get other processes going in the form of ECA rules 
(like creating an invoice for part or all of an order when items from that 
order are in a packed shipment).

  
Perhaps an eclipse ofbiz plug would be more useful than process 
documentation?  I.e. being able to efficiently navigate all this meta 
data from within the development environment?

Re: does anyone know ofbiz?

[Chris Snow]

Hi Marc,

This is one of the reasons I have been pushing for and independent ofbiz 
framework.  It's is relatively quick to learn how to develop standalone 
apps in ofbiz.  I believe with ofbiz, you can develop small applications 
as quickly as you can in MS Access - with a lot more benefits when using 
ofbiz (multiuser, web enabled, extendable, etc).


However, in my opinion, it takes years of experience to be able to use 
the existing apps (partymgmt, ordermgmt, etc).


Cheers,

Chris


Marc Morin wrote:

It's taken us about 6-12 months to get proficient in ofbiz  mostly because we mostly 
resisted doing things the ofbiz way

- Original Message -
From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:04:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: does anyone know ofbiz?

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote:
  

Is it possible for one person to have a deep understanding
of how ALL of the components in ofbiz work?  It is
vast.  I have found that the only way to tackle the
problem is to break in into chucks: the framework, party
management, work effort...  At the rate I'm going I
will have figured it all out in 5 years time.



It took me about 6 months to wrap my head around OFBiz. I have been using it 
for 6 years and there are things that I'm still learning about it.

-Adrian




  

Re: does anyone know ofbiz?

[Chris Snow]

Hi Marc,

This is one of the reasons I have been pushing for and independent ofbiz 
framework.  It's is relatively quick to learn how to develop standalone 
apps in ofbiz.  I believe with ofbiz, you can develop small applications 
as quickly as you can in MS Access - with a lot more benefits when using 
ofbiz (multiuser, web enabled, extendable, etc).


However, in my opinion, it takes years of experience to be able to use 
the existing apps (partymgmt, ordermgmt, etc).


Cheers,

Chris


Marc Morin wrote:

It's taken us about 6-12 months to get proficient in ofbiz  mostly because we mostly 
resisted doing things the ofbiz way

- Original Message -
From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:04:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: does anyone know ofbiz?

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote:
  

Is it possible for one person to have a deep understanding
of how ALL of the components in ofbiz work?  It is
vast.  I have found that the only way to tackle the
problem is to break in into chucks: the framework, party
management, work effort...  At the rate I'm going I
will have figured it all out in 5 years time.



It took me about 6 months to wrap my head around OFBiz. I have been using it 
for 6 years and there are things that I'm still learning about it.

-Adrian




  

Re: tests are slow

[Chris Snow]

Hi Scott,

That works great - much quicker!

I have started up the normal container and I have created a service 
(runTestSuite) that instantiates the TestRunContainer.  The service is 
marked as exported, so I am just running the tests via a SOAP call at 
the moment.


This functionality would be good in webtools.  It would also be good if 
a test could be executed against a running ofbiz via the main build ant 
script.  Using ant, we could easily run tests from eclipse by creating 
an external run task for each test.


Shall I raise this as a JIRA improvement?

Many thanks,

Chris


Scott Gray wrote:

You could try manually initializing and starting the TestRunContainer, but 
obviously changes to java files will only take effect after you recompile.

Let me know how it goes, there is potential that we could put something like 
this into webtools alongside the selenium tests.

Regards
Scott

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On 23/01/2010, at 11:41 AM, chris snow wrote:

  

Scott Gray-2 wrote:

It should be possible to run a test suite against an already running  
instance, assuming no compilation is required and the database is in  
the state required by the tests (i.e. pretty much unchanged from a  
fresh install).


  

I'm lovin the test framework, but I'm still finding the startup time to be a
pain.  What would need to be done to run the tests against an already
running instance?

Many thanks,

Chris

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Re: does anyone know ofbiz?

[Chris Snow]

Hi Ruth,

I wouldn't even say it's difficult to figure out the existing 
applications.  It is very time consuming.  Without high level overview 
documentation, the only way to understand the existing apps is to go 
through each line of code.


I really think there should be a process documentation effort - of which 
I'm willing to give my time...


Cheers,

Chris

Ruth Hoffman wrote:

Hi Chris:
I think you are spot on. Once you understand the basics, it is 
relatively easy to develop data driven web applications with the OFBiz 
framework. I've been doing just that for several years now. All that 
nasty database stuff is taken care of - leaving me free to develop 
real world solutions in short order.


What is much more difficult is to figure out how to use the existing 
applications to solve real world problems. I'm still struggling with 
that.


Regards,
Ruth

Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword myofbiz
ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com

Chris Snow wrote:

Hi Marc,

This is one of the reasons I have been pushing for and independent 
ofbiz framework.  It's is relatively quick to learn how to develop 
standalone apps in ofbiz.  I believe with ofbiz, you can develop 
small applications as quickly as you can in MS Access - with a lot 
more benefits when using ofbiz (multiuser, web enabled, extendable, 
etc).


However, in my opinion, it takes years of experience to be able to 
use the existing apps (partymgmt, ordermgmt, etc).


Cheers,

Chris


Marc Morin wrote:
It's taken us about 6-12 months to get proficient in ofbiz  
mostly because we mostly resisted doing things the ofbiz way


- Original Message -
From: Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:04:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: does anyone know ofbiz?

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote:
 

Is it possible for one person to have a deep understanding
of how ALL of the components in ofbiz work?  It is
vast.  I have found that the only way to tackle the
problem is to break in into chucks: the framework, party
management, work effort...  At the rate I'm going I
will have figured it all out in 5 years time.



It took me about 6 months to wrap my head around OFBiz. I have been 
using it for 6 years and there are things that I'm still learning 
about it.


-Adrian




  

Re: Windows Vista Setup Instructions

[Chris Snow]

What is your objective?

If you just want to try out ofbiz, the following links may help:

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Demo+and+Test+Setup+Guide#
or
http://www.kenfuse.com/rsrc/ofbiz-getting-started

If you have any questions with the instructions, please post back to 
this list.


Brendan Vogt wrote:

Hi,

Where can I find Windows Vista setup instructions and a list of all the
software required.

Regards,
Brendan

  

Re: tests are slow

[chris snow]

Scott Gray-2 wrote:
 
 It should be possible to run a test suite against an already running  
 instance, assuming no compilation is required and the database is in  
 the state required by the tests (i.e. pretty much unchanged from a  
 fresh install).
 

I'm lovin the test framework, but I'm still finding the startup time to be a
pain.  What would need to be done to run the tests against an already
running instance?

Many thanks,

Chris

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Re: tests are slow

[Chris Snow]

Thanks Scott - I will take a look on Monday when back in the office.

Scott Gray wrote:

You could try manually initializing and starting the TestRunContainer, but 
obviously changes to java files will only take effect after you recompile.

Let me know how it goes, there is potential that we could put something like 
this into webtools alongside the selenium tests.

Regards
Scott

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