RE: [ANN] JAVAWUG BOF XVII / Friday 28th April 2006 @ 19:00 / Ora cle City of London
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Pilgrim ==== Dear All The JAVAWUG (Java Web User Group) has rescheduled the BOF XVIII (Number 17) from Thursday 20th April to now Friday 20th April 2006. + This should have said+ Friday, 28th April 2006 + + The birds-of-feather will still take place at the same venue, Oracle's City of London office between 7-9:30 pm. The presentations are and the confirmed speakers are: Prashanth, S. ``J2EE: Security on Websphere'' Peter Pilgrim ``Experiences With WebWork'' We now have a third volunter speaker: Mark Burton ``JavaServer Faces: An Overview'' This is a free event. Afterwards members can retire to the nearby the ``All Bar One'' pub/restaurant for more in depth discussion dinner, food and drink ... The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. If you would like to attend, please REGISTER so that you can be added to the SECURITY DETAIL Join the http://groups.google.com/group/javawug JAVAWUG at Google Groups and ``Send an Email to the list you are attending'' Alternatively send mail to myself at peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com and duncan dot mills at oracle.com Here is some relevant travel information: By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street: Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has graciously been organised by Duncan Mills of Oracle Corp. We all appreciate this generous gift. http://www.javawug.com/ http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim PS: The presentations will be recorded and I hope to upload them all Google Video Site. search against JAVAWUG for the last video uploads. ==== ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Organiser / Founder ( JAVAWUG http://developers.sun.com/jugs/display/europe/gbr/london ) ( ( ( ( ( ( )\( ( )\)\))( ' ( )\ ) )_)( )\ )_)( ((_)()\ ))\(()/( ((_)\ _ )\((_)((_)\ _ )\_(())\_)()_ ((_)/(_))_ _ | (_)_\(_) \ / /(_)_\(_) \((_)/ / | | (_)) __| | || |/ _ \ \ V / / _ \ \ \/\/ /| |_| | | (_ | \__//_/ \_\ \_/ /_/ \_\ \_/\_/ \___/ \___| = == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] JAVAWUG BOF XVII / Thursday 20th April 2006 @ 19:00 / Oracl e City of London
Dear All I would like to formally announce that JAVAWUG (Java Web User Group) is holding the seventeenth Birds-of-Feather (Meet up XVII) at the Oracle City of London offices on Thursday, 20th April 2006. The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 7-9:30 pm. There will be a series of presentations, Quickies, inspired by the JavaPolis short presentation format. The confirmed speakers are: Prashanth, S. ``J2EE: Security on Websphere'' Peter Pilgrim ``Experiences With WebWork'' Afterwards members can retire to the nearby the ``All Bar One'' pub/restaurant for more in depth discussion dinner, food and drink ... The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. If you would like to attend, please REGISTER so that you can be added to the SECURITY DETAIL Join the http://groups.google.com/group/javawug JAVAWUG at Google Groups and ``Send an Email to the list you are attending'' Alternatively send mail to myself at peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com and duncan dot mills at oracle.com Here is some relevant travel information: By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street: Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has graciously been organised by Duncan Mills of Oracle Corp. We all appreciate this generous gift. http://www.javawug.com/ http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim PS: The presentations will be recorded and I hope to upload them all Google Video Site. search against JAVAWUG for the last video uploads. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Architecture Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] JAVAWUG BOF XVI / Friday 3rd March 2006 @ 19:00 / Oracle Ci ty of London
Dear All I would like to formally announce that JAVAWUG (Java Web User Group) is holding the sixteenth Birds-of-Feather (Meet up XVI) at the Oracle City of London offices on Friday, 17th March 2006. The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 7-9:30 pm. There will be a series of presentations, Quickies, inspired by the JavaPolis short presentation format. The confirmed speakers are: Phil Zoio ``Struts Java 5 Extension Framework'' (special guest speaker) Emmanuel Okeyere ``Spring into RIFE Framework Continued'' Peter Pilgrim ``WebWork Quickie Experiences'' There will be probably be one additional speaking slot by Duncan Mills * S TO P P R E S S * After providing the key note and presentations at JAVA UK 06 in London. Craig McClanahan plans to attend on Friday night. Afterwards members can retire to the nearby the ``All Bar One'' pub/restaurant for more in depth discussion dinner, food and drink ... The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. If you would like to attend Join the http://groups.google.com/group/javawug JAVAWUG at Google Groups and ``Send a mail to the list you are attending'' Send mail to myself at peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com and duncan dot mills at oracle.com Here is some relevant travel information: By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street: Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has graciously been organised by Duncan Mills of Oracle Corp. We all appreciate this generous gift. http://www.javawug.com/ http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim PS: The presentations will be recorded and I hope to upload them all Google Video Site. search against JAVAWUG for the last video uploads. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Architecture Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] JAVAWUG BOF XVI / Friday 3rd March 2006 @ 19:00 / Oracle Ci ty of London
Dear All I would like to formally announce that JAVAWUG (Java Web User Group) is holding the sixteenth Birds-of-Feather (Meet up XVI) at the Oracle City of London offices on Friday, 17th March 2006. The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 7-9:30 pm. There will be a series of presentations, Quickies, inspired by the JavaPolis short presentation format. The confirmed speakers are: Phil Zoio ``Struts Java 5 Extension Framework'' (special guest speaker) Emmanuel Okeyere ``Spring into RIFE Framework Continued'' Peter Pilgrim ``WebWork Quickie Experiences'' There will be probably be one additional speaking slot by Duncan Mills Afterwards members can retire to the nearby the ``All Bar One'' pub/restaurant for more in depth discussion dinner, food and drink ... The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. If you would like to attend Join the http://groups.google.com/group/javawug JAVAWUG at Google Groups and ``Send a mail to the list you are attending'' Send mail to myself at peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com and duncan dot mills at oracle.com Here is some relevant travel information: By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street: Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has graciously been organised by Duncan Mills of Oracle Corp. We all appreciate this generous gift. http://www.javawug.com/ http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim PS: The presentations will be recorded and I hope to upload them all Google Video Site. search against JAVAWUG for the last video uploads. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Architecture Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] JAVAWUG BOF XV Video Presentations Now Available [was updat e]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pilgrim, Peter Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:50 PM ==== Hi I am very proud to announce that three video presentations are now downloadable from Google Video Beta sites. These presentations were recorded on our fifteenth Java Web User Group meet-up that took place at Oracle's City of London offices on Friday, 3rd February 2006. (*) JAVAWUG BOF XV Part I : My Experiences with AJAX by Peter Pilgrim http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1575359224165450225 (*) JAVAWUG BOF XV Part II : JSF Security by Duncan Mills, Oracle http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8202568827072126200 (*) JAVAWUG BOF XV Part III: Spring Into The Rife Framework Emmanuel Okyere http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6431749968960182884 You can find the presentation slides for all three from the group blog page here: http://jroller.com/page/javawug?entry=updated_new_presentation_slides_for Also check here http://jroller.com/page/javawug?entry=editor_s_report_of_bof PS: There two more attempts at a Google Video upload with better XVID quantisation factor (3.0) currently being verified by the search engine. These are part I and part III video files. Please check back with the Google Video in a couple days. Hi All Here is an update of the status. I have uploaded all three videos for each of the speakers to Google Videos ( http://video.google.com) They are all in the verification stage at the moment. I will let you know when I know that they are accepted and deliverable. FYI: You will need a XVID codec. Get one from here http://www.xvidmovies.com/codec/ or here for Linux http://www.xvid.org/ Send comments and suggestions to peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim -- Peter Pilgrim Organiser / Founder ( JAVAWUG http://developers.sun.com/jugs/display/europe/gbr/london ) ( ( ( ( ( ( )\( ( )\)\))( ' ( )\ ) )_)( )\ )_)( ((_)()\ ))\(()/( ((_)\ _ )\((_)((_)\ _ )\_(())\_)()_ ((_)/(_))_ _ | (_)_\(_) \ / /(_)_\(_) \((_)/ / | | (_)) __| | || |/ _ \ \ V / / _ \ \ \/\/ /| |_| | | (_ | \__//_/ \_\ \_/ /_/ \_\ \_/\_/ \___/ \___| = We're alright! == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Action Oriented Framework Rendering Mode
See intermixed -Original Message- From: Michael Jouravlev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:02 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Action Oriented Framework Rendering Mode On 2/21/06, Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a requirement to possibly build a new web application to support portlets and also be displayable in a standard Java EE webapp server in the future. Do you mean any portlets or JSR-168 portlets? Actually I am unsure of the portlet world. I believe the target server is going to be a Weblogic Portal server. So I am assuming it will be JSR 168 portlets. Does this make a huge difference? Basically it looks like the web application has to support two view styles. One style is the classical Tiles and regionalisation of the JSP view. For instance you would have a corporate header, footer, a navigation menu and a content area. This is something that every web developer like myself has done over the last five years. The other style is to chuck all the extra tiles stuff away like the header, portal and menu system. For the portlet view just render the content region. The content view is the same as it would with the Tiles regions. I have called this a ``style'', but now I come to think of it ought to be called a ``mode'' as in mode of (render) employment. Thoughts are most welcome, even from the Component-oriented people. Any more ideas more than welcomed. How about this as food for thought: http://jspcontrols.sourceforge.net From the book WebWork in Action, I believe Webwork can implement some aspect of a page controller methodolody, by using the ww:action tag inside a JSP. In this way a WW action can render a portion of the view. What I dont know is if you can use the ww:action tag to render AJAX components i.e. AJAX styled box out or dependency list drop downs. BTW: The JSP Control live examples look nice. Thanks -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Action Oriented Framework Rendering Mode
see intermixed -Original Message- From: Ian Roughley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== The ww:action is not used for AJAX interactions with the server. There Ok that is cool to know. are several UI widgets that can be AJAX enabled - the one you would be looking for is the remote DIV. But, this would be most helpful in a webwork application to make it portlet-like, not sure how it would help when deployed into another porlet container. Yep you are right. The AJAX request has to asynchronously make it through the portlet container/server to the target web application. Oh, I suppose we could make the portlet a read-only one for the initial phase. In other words we could come that decision when and if we ever get there. /Ian -- From Down Around, Inc. Innovative IT Solutions Software Architecture * Design * Development ~ web: www.fdar.com email [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone:617.821.5430 ~ Pilgrim, Peter wrote: See intermixed -Original Message- From: Michael Jouravlev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:02 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Action Oriented Framework Rendering Mode On 2/21/06, Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a requirement to possibly build a new web application to support portlets and also be displayable in a standard Java EE webapp server in the future. Do you mean any portlets or JSR-168 portlets? Actually I am unsure of the portlet world. I believe the target server is going to be a Weblogic Portal server. So I am assuming it will be JSR 168 portlets. Does this make a huge difference? Basically it looks like the web application has to support two view styles. One style is the classical Tiles and regionalisation of the JSP view. For instance you would have a corporate header, footer, a navigation menu and a content area. This is something that every web developer like myself has done over the last five years. The other style is to chuck all the extra tiles stuff away like the header, portal and menu system. For the portlet view just render the content region. The content view is the same as it would with the Tiles regions. I have called this a ``style'', but now I come to think of it ought to be called a ``mode'' as in mode of (render) employment. Thoughts are most welcome, even from the Component-oriented people. Any more ideas more than welcomed. How about this as food for thought: http://jspcontrols.sourceforge.net From the book WebWork in Action, I believe Webwork can implement some aspect of a page controller methodolody, by using the ww:action tag inside a JSP. In this way a WW action can render a portion of the view. What I dont know is if you can use the ww:action tag to render AJAX components i.e. AJAX styled box out or dependency list drop downs. BTW: The JSP Control live examples look nice. Thanks -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Architecture Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action Oriented Framework Rendering Mode
Hi All What is the state of play with WebWork / Struts Action 2.0? I am trying to come up with a design / architecture / proposal for a new aspect of an enterprise project. I have been reading the WebWork in Action book, and I have come to the conclusion that it is best to start a brand Action-Oriented framework using WebWork 2.2. I found the design decisions in the book to really solid, and not fanciful. Especially like the decision to use OGNL as the EL. I have a requirement to possibly build a new web application to support portlets and also be displayable in a standard Java EE webapp server in the future. Does WebWork 2.2 support portlets? Basically it looks like the web application has to support two view styles. One style is the classical Tiles and regionalisation of the JSP view. For instance you would have a corporate header, footer, a navigation menu and a content area. This is something that every web developer like myself has done over the last five years. The other style is to chuck all the extra tiles stuff away like the header, portal and menu system. For the portlet view just render the content region. The content view is the same as it would with the Tiles regions. What I want to know is this architecturally possible to develop with WebWork now or is this on the book of work to do? I have called this a ``style'', but now I come to think of it ought to be called a ``mode'' as in mode of (render) employment. Thoughts are most welcome, even from the Component-oriented people. Thanks in advance -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Architecture Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Action Oriented Framework Rendering Mode
See inter mixed -Original Message- From: Ian Roughley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:58 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Action Oriented Framework Rendering Mode below. /Ian -- From Down Around, Inc. Innovative IT Solutions Software Architecture * Design * Development ~ web: www.fdar.com email [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone:617.821.5430 ~ Pilgrim, Peter wrote: Hi All What is the state of play with WebWork / Struts Action 2.0? I am trying to come up with a design / architecture / proposal for a new aspect of an enterprise project. I have been reading the WebWork in Action book, and I have come to the conclusion that it is best to start a brand Action-Oriented framework using WebWork 2.2. I found the design decisions in the book to really solid, and not fanciful. Especially like the decision to use OGNL as the EL. I have a requirement to possibly build a new web application to support portlets and also be displayable in a standard Java EE webapp server in the future. Does WebWork 2.2 support portlets? Yes - action can be used as portlets in various web containers. This is realitively new, so check the wiki at wiki.opensymphony.com for the latest information. Great Webwork can support portlets, and of course from the book it can easily divorce itself from PortletRequest and PortletResponse interfaces! Basically it looks like the web application has to support two view styles. One style is the classical Tiles and regionalisation of the JSP view. For instance you would have a corporate header, footer, a navigation menu and a content area. This is something that every web developer like myself has done over the last five years. The other style is to chuck all the extra tiles stuff away like the header, portal and menu system. For the portlet view just render the content region. The content view is the same as it would with the Tiles regions. What I want to know is this architecturally possible to develop with WebWork now or is this on the book of work to do? I'm not a tiles expert, so I can't help you there. But using sitemesh, I believe you can specify a URL parameter that sitemesh can interpet and change the decoration of the page to a plain / non-decorated look. Alternatively, you could provide a secondary mapping in the configuration files for the portlet view - this would be good for if the portlets are a subset, otherwise it may be alot of work. Tiles is the wrong way to go for a filtered look. I will look at SiteMesh. I am sure I have a big old Red Wrox Book with a chapter on SiteMesh. JSP Site Design? is the probable title and rings a bell with me. Cheers I have called this a ``style'', but now I come to think of it ought to be called a ``mode'' as in mode of (render) employment. Thoughts are most welcome, even from the Component-oriented people. Any more ideas more than welcomed. Thanks in advance -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Architecture Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Testing using Micro$oft Outlock 200 sp3 I seem to be have problems with my mail sent to google group sent as 7bit character set. Just want to prove that apache and sourceforge dont have to the problem, and eliminate these providers. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] Slides Available JAVAWUG BOF XV
Hi All Very quickly, we recently held the JAVAWUG (Java Web User Group) BOF XV at Oracle City of London. Slides are available from here. http://jroller.com/page/javawug?entry=updated_new_presentation_slides_for -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] WebWork 2.2.1: Released and Ready for Struts!
Ted Congratulations You due to teach a course in the UK, but I see it was canceled with James Holmes has taking over the spot. Are you coming over to the UK in the future anyway? I know you wanted to come to JAVAWUG meet up. -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== See * http://blogs.opensymphony.com/webwork/2006/02/webwork_221_rele ased.html A companion release of XWork 1.1 is also available * http://forums.opensymphony.com/thread.jspa?threadID=16919tstart=0 ==== -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] FINAL CALL: Java Web User Group / BOF XV / Oracle City of L ondon / Friday 3rd February 2006 @ 19:00
THIS IS THE FINAL CALL Dear All I would like to formally announce that JAVAWUG (Java Web User Group) is holding the fifteenth Birds-of-Feather (Meet up) at the ``Oracle City of London'' offices on Friday, 3rd January 2006. The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 7-9:30 pm. There will be a series of presentations, Quickies, inspired by the JavaPolis short presentation format. The confirmed speakers, in alphabetically order, are: Duncan Mills ``Java ServerFaces Security'' Emmanuel Okeyere ``RIFE framework'' Peter Pilgrim ``Experiences with AJAX'' Afterwards members can retire to the nearby ``Red Lion'' pub or the ``All Bar One'' pub/restaurant for more in depth discussion dinner, food and drink ... The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. If you would like to attend 1) Join the JAVAWUG at Google Groups http://groups.google.com/group/javawug/manage_members Send a mail to the list you are attending. 2) Send mail directly to `` duncan dot mills at oracle.com '' or to me `` peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com '' Here is some relevant travel information By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street: Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has graciously been organised by Duncan Mills of Oracle. We all appreciate this generous gift. http://www.javawug.com/ http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] Java Web User Group / BOF XV / Oracle City of London / Frid ay 3rd February 2006 @ 19:00
Dear All I would like to formally announce that JAVAWUG (Java Web User Group) is holding the fifteenth Birds-of-Feather (Meet up) at the ``Oracle City of London'' offices on Friday, 3rd January 2006. The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 7-9:30 pm. There will be a series of presentations, Quickies, inspired by the JavaPolis short presentation format. The confirmed speakers, in alphabetically order, are: Duncan Mills ``Java ServerFaces Security'' Emmanuel Okeyere ``RIFE framework'' Peter Pilgrim ``Experiences with AJAX'' Afterwards members can retire to the nearby ``Red Lion'' pub or the ``All Bar One'' pub/restaurant for more in depth discussion dinner, food and drink ... The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. If you would like to attend 1) Join the JAVAWUG at Google Groups http://groups.google.com/group/javawug/manage_members Send a mail to the list you are attending. 2) Send mail to myself or duncan dot mills at oracle.com Here is some relevant travel information By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street: Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has graciously been organised by Duncan Mills of Oracle. We all appreciate this generous gift. http://www.javawug.com/ http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse Group - One Bank, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 peter dot pilgrim at credit-suisse.com == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] JavaWebParts and Struts / Ajax integration
Hi Frank -Original Message- From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Peter A. Pilgrim wrote: Well that ok because I am now official on holiday (vacation ;-) As am I :) I have plenty of work to do at home though! I am back from vacation, and I solved the issue with taglibs. I had to downgrade the taglib DTD version from 1.2 to 1.1 for some reason, and the application deployed to WebLogic 8.1 I have a couple of questons. I am getting a 404 because the target URL in the Ajax JavaScript is wrong. How do I set the right target and make it context relative? E.g. the web context is `asds' Weblogic access.log 127.0.0.1 - auth1 [06/Jan/2006:17:26:12 +] GET /asds/secured/typeAheadSuggestions?enteredText=peassureUnique=2 HTTP/1.1 404 14169 127.0.0.1 - auth1 [06/Jan/2006:17:26:15 +] GET /asds/secured/typeAheadSuggestions?enteredText=petassureUnique=3 HTTP/1.1 404 14169 127.0.0.1 - auth1 [06/Jan/2006:17:26:18 +] GET /asds/secured/typeAheadSuggestions?enteredText=peteassureUnique=4 HTTP/1.1 404 14169 My ajax_config.xml is ajaxConfig !-- Define a single form. -- form ajaxRef=ContactDetailsForm !-- Only the textbox is Ajax-enabled. -- element ajaxRef=enteredTextChange !-- Any time a key is pressed (released actually), fire an event. -- event type=onkeyup !-- Just going to submit a simple query string with a single -- !-- parameter, enteredText, that will take the value of the -- !-- enteredTextbox element of the form. -- requestHandler type=std:QueryString method=get targettypeAheadSuggestions/target parameterenteredText=search.contact.contactName/parameter /requestHandler !-- When we get back, just insert the returned results into the -- !-- div named suggestions on the page, which contains the -- !-- matching suggestions. -- responseHandler type=std:InnerHTML parametersearch_contact_contactName_suggestions/parameter /responseHandler /event /element /form /ajaxConfig Assuming I get this working for one control. How do expand this example so that it support multiple fields submit to the same suggestion servlet? Thanks in advance Ok that makes sense then. Maybe when people switch Maven 2 then this dependency issues can be worked out. Maybe. I know *I* won't be switching to Maven any time soon, 1 *or* 2. Ant still serves my purposes just fine (did you notice the dependencies task in the JWP script? Ironic that it uses the Maven repository!) Even with Maven, it would still be an external dependency though... if someone uses JWP in their project, they would still need to know that they need Commons Lang and Commons BeanUtils and so on, even if they are simply going to specify it in their Maven config and forget about it. I prefer not having those dependencies at all, hence the reason they got rolled in. In order to build the type suggestion, what are the correct jars to include. I thought it was ``javawebparts_core.jar'' and ``javawebparts_taglibs.jar''. Now I get a strange deployment error like Error: Could not load asds: weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspException: (line 6): Error in using tag library uri='/tags/javawebparts_ajaxtags.tld' prefix='ajax': cannot find tag class: 'javawebparts.taglib.ajaxtags.AjaxEventTag' I downloaded the 1.0 beta release version. I found that the binary release included *.class in the javawebparts_taglib.jar file. Also, I checked the javawebparts_core.jar file. This was fine. I think there is problem with the `make_jars' in the ant build. I found that running that ant target (re-)created all the jars, but the `javawebparts_taglib.jar' contained only the TLD and Manifest.mf. Weird. ==== -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] JavaWebParts and Struts / Ajax integration
-Original Message- From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 January 2006 18:03 To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] JavaWebParts and Struts / Ajax integration On Fri, January 6, 2006 12:41 pm, Pilgrim, Peter said: I am back from vacation, and I solved the issue with taglibs. I had to downgrade the taglib DTD version from 1.2 to 1.1 for some reason, and the application deployed to WebLogic 8.1 Hmm, weird. Ok, well, it's a solution :) Me too. I developing on the old Service Pack 1 of WLS. Production has the latest SP4 and SP5 better. May be it was me, Eclipse, My Eclipse, and combination of all. Either way I rewrite tag library definitions in web.xml and my JSP by hand, just to make sure I wasn't going crazy! I have a couple of questons. I am getting a 404 because the target URL in the Ajax JavaScript is wrong. How do I set the right target and make it context relative? E.g. the web context is `asds' Looking at the access log, I'm not clear as to what's wrong... is it the /secured/ portion that you don't expect to see? If the context is asds, then I would expect to see /asds/typeAheadSuggestions, is that your expectation as well? I don't want to put forth any answer until I hear your answer to that, just so I know we're trying to get to the same place :) Actually I forgot to saw that the JSP page itself is `/asds/secured/showContactDetails.jsp' where `/asds' is the context root. Actually, I guess I will take a stab at it first... try putting a leading slash before the target URL? I thought of that before heading home, but I wanted to wait for response, because what I would really need is access the `contextRoot' as a variable. I could write something like this target%contextPath%/typeAheadSuggestions/target But I will give it shot now and see what happens requestHandler type=std:QueryString method=get target/typeAheadSuggestions/target parameterenteredText=search.contact.contactName/parameter /requestHandler ... ( No it does not work) Sorry 127.0.0.1 - auth1 [06/Jan/2006:18:21:41 +] GET /typeAheadSuggestions?enteredText=xassureUnique=1 HTTP/1.1 404 1214 127.0.0.1 - auth1 [06/Jan/2006:18:21:44 +] GET /typeAheadSuggestions?enteredText=xaassureUnique=2 HTTP/1.1 404 1214 The ajax submission is now missing the context path completely. Can you cut a release of the javawebparts to fix the bug or tell me where I can patch it please. Assuming I get this working for one control. How do expand this example so that it support multiple fields submit to the same suggestion servlet? You should just need to create an entry for the other fields in the config file and throw an ajax:event tag after them... just point them all at the same target URL, it should work fine. Should be as easy as copying the config that is there now and changing the element's ajaxRef. How do you discern in the Servlet what field is being query? I had a look at the source of the page, there is a JavaScript variable called `debugAjax'. Is there anywhere to switch on or off via the javawebparts custom tags? I looked at ajax:enable/, but the tag description says it an empty tag. You might want to allow this feature. Thanks in advance This is where I pause for the weekend in London. *PAUSE* -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all
-Original Message- From: Paul Benedict [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Now I hope this opinion doesn't make me unlikeable on this forum ;-) Maybe I am not holding the party line, but I can't figure out why the Struts label is suddenly becoming a multi-framework branding. It just doesn't make sense to me and I think is the wrong decision here. With that said, I love Struts (the real one) and am committed to improving it. Romain Guys works with two IDEs to do his daily http://weblogs.java.net/blog/gfx/archive/2005/10/twice_the_ide.html I am unsure that the same philosophy or work ethics goes well with Java web application frameworks, but someone on the list is probably already doing this ... I think it is more about being versatile, open to across-pollunation of ideas, education, and also a shared community with good resources. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Integrating Struts in DWR??
WOW!! -Original Message- From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2005 22:12 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Integrating Struts in DWR?? Some of the questions you ask here are really more for you to decide... there aren't any canned answers. That being said, I'll do my best... To begin with, I highly suggest checking out the numerous articles on AJAX out there to get a firm grasp on what it really is, and if I may be so bold, start with my own: http://www.omnytex.com/articles This will show one way AJAX can be integrated with Struts. You can also check out my AjaxChat example app on the Struts Apps SourceForge site: http://struts.sourceforge.net The short answer is that AJAX, generically, is nothing but an HTTP request. As far as whatever is on the server is concerned, be it a Struts apps or something else, it doesn't look any different than any other request. Well, I suppose more accurately, it doesn't *have* to look any different. If you simply pass simple parameters from the client and forego XML, then to Struts there's no difference. Right, If I understand what Frank is saying then this is a HTTP Servlet that just parsing the input request, which is XML and generates a response which is also XML. As some one also working in the ``banking environment'' I can see the value for helping the spreadsheet users entering forms. The Google Suggestive or autocompletion is a real good usecase for my client. For instance I want to enter ``Barcl'' and then get a drop list of including ``Barclays Banks, Great Britain'', ``Barclays Capital Management'' etc If you want to use XML and Struts, then you will at this point have to do your own parsing. With Struts 1.3, it would be trivial to add a Command to the processing chain to parse an incoming XML message and translate it to request parameters... come to think of it, that exists already: http://sourceforge.net/projects/strutsws Although that's for Web Services, the underlying theory is identical. There is a 1.3 version, courtesy of Marco Mistroni, but you can see my original version with the customized RP. The same thing would work nicely for AJAX, although one can envision other ways of doing it too. So basically if you architectured your application correct, and pushed all or most of the logic to the business delegates or facades then it should be easier to add AJAX server side. Essentially to do the Google suggest thing for my perspective is that you have cache on distincts e.g ``SELECT DISTINCT(CONTACT_NAME) FROM EXTERNAL_REFERENCES''. You store the results in a sortable collections for a user session or ORM cache. Do this for all the input fields for your input forms that want to add the suggest feature The AJAX server method just filters on the string input from the html text fields and returns the XML result set of possible matches. You could just as well have this function in your servlet... it's just a matter of getting the body content of the HTTP request, which would be XML, parsing it and doing what you'd always do. If this interests you, have a look at the code in CVS HEAD here: http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net Frank I thinking of implementing the Google suggest concept for my client for a ``big form''. Is your subproject up to it? I'll probably cut a release this weekend, but the code in CVS for the AjaxTags component in the sample app does exactly that... an AJAX request is made with XML in the HTTP body, and a servlet in this case gets it (via the handy RequestHelpers.getBodyContent() method) and then uses Digester to parse it. Does your current version handle simple or complex XML documents? Should I wait for you release? Everything I've talked about here is naked AJAX, i.e., without the help of any particular library. AJAX is really quite simple, aside from a few gotchas, but there are some very robust libraries that will help with more than the basics in most cases. They all seem to have a slightly different focus from one another, so if you'd prefer to go that route, some (of the many!) to look at are: http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net/javadocs/javawebparts/taglib/ajaxtags/package-summary.html This is the AjaxTags component of Java Web Parts... this is a little different than the rest in that it makes enabling specific events very easy. All it requires is adding custom tags to your page, and configuring various AJAX events via XML config file. For instance, if you want to fire an AJAX event when a div is clicked, and then you want a function that will populate another div from what the server returns, this is a trivial exercise with AjaxTags, and it's all driven by config file so there is no coding involved, aside from adding a tag or two to your page. This is my own creation, so obviously I'll push it
RE: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all
-Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 December 2005 12:55 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all On 12/3/05, Adam Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Husted on 02/12/05 04:29, wrote: We have two because JSF is fundamentally incompatible with action-orientated frameworks. (As stated on the Struts home page.) But, that will not be the case for Ti. We plan to create a clear and relatively painless migration path, so that investments in skill sets and working code will be retained. (Including our own.) There is nothing preventing Struts X.x offering both 'incompatible' frameworks. Struts 1.x, the 'action'-based framework and other 'component'-based frameworks are composed of perhaps code that is or could be 75% 'action' or 'component'-agnostic. We are already sharing the the agnostic code via Commons components that both Action and Shale use. After we extracted the Commons componetns in the 1.1 era, all that's really left in Struts Action is code that overlaps with JavaServer Faces. Since Shale leverages JavaServer Faces and Commons, there's very little left that the frameworks could share. And, if we found something they could share, I'm sure it would quickly be moved to the Commons or to its own subproject (witness Tiles). Why burn bridges? It would be better to incorporate to cut down the central component of the struts action and move all agnostic material to the side, pretty much as Shale is now. At that point Struts could then incorporate a 'component'-based framework module to match the action-based framework. Don't forget, 'Struts' means 'A structural element used to brace or strengthen a framework [...]' not 'foundation stone'. Yes, we've aggressively moved the Action foundation classes to the Commons. What's left here is glue code that connects the Digester with Bean and Collection and Chain, and cobbles together Action-specific ideas like the Request Processor. A lot of the code has migrated from the ActionServlet to the RequestProcessor and then onto Commons Actions in 1.3.0. The interesting thing in the future will this work make programming action-oriented frameworks easier and better or actually worse? I get the feeling that it will be better because actions or commands will be more coarse grain, and most of the business database code can be transfered out of actions to the data layer. The data layer can itself be composed of it's own chain of commands. Struts has always been about providing the glue, or struts, between existing standards. And, unsurprisingly, that's exactly what Shale is trying to do. AFAICT, Shale is about as Struts-like as JSF can get. At least without sacrificing the intent of the JSF architecture. Meanwhile, the great thing about WebWork is that our communities have the same perspective. WebWork integrates several foundation packages, like XWork, OGNL, and FreeMarker, into a coherent framework that any Struts developer will find familiar. (Especially if you've been tinkering with 1.3.) IMHO, I don't see the engineering value-add of a one size fits all framework. A framework is a semi-complete application, and action/page applications are built differently than event/component frameworks. Since the applications are different, the frameworks should be different too. IMHO what attracted lots of developers to Struts was it was pretty focused already. It did one thing very well, a model 2 blueprint MVC framework for Java. It was a also lightweight enough for other to embed it in a bigger valid-add framework, e.g Expresso, or supply additional valid-add extensions Tiles, Workflow, et etc. The problem is always trying to anticipate change and innovation, keeping an implementation robust and solid, but providing enough abstracts and interfaces to allow flexibility. Struts was never perfect in the first place, so it could never taken as one size fits all. Richard Oberg took what Struts and fixed some of the architecture critism with Struts for his own framework, WebWork 1.x. In fact Rod Johnson in first EJB Expert book had a right-go (severe critique) at Struts, and attacked the fact that ActionForm was not an interface, and that Action was not an interface. It is good thing to fix Struts architectural problems. The second problem is that of productivity. Struts 2.x, I feel, much bring some productivity gains for web developers, as Rick Reuman bemoaned, in order to get it to the next level. Some people in our community want to dive into JavaServer Faces, and others want to pursue the tried-and-true action-orientated approach. Rather than burn bridges, we're built a bigger roof :) Yep There are two web application architecture out there co-existing and competing 1) Component-Oriented 2) Action-Oriented If you can bridge these two then you're probably onto a winner,
RE: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all
-Original Message- From: Don Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I'd ask that you reserve judgement until at least the first Struts Ti release. Yes, we plan to seed Struts Ti with WebWork 2.2, but that doesn't mean it will stay that way or that Struts Action 1.x users and even code aren't important. I just started working on the Struts Action 1.x compatibility layer tonight so its too early to say, but my goal is to be able to run most Struts Action 1.xapplications unchanged on Struts Ti. Struts Ti was born with the idea of filling the gap between a new development frame of mind with JSF and Struts Action 1.x, providing Struts developers a powerful new framework that leverages their Struts knowledge, not negates it. Furthermore, it has been said before and I'll say it again - Struts Action 1.x isn't going anywhere. Just as development continued when Shale was born, development will continue today. I have at least one major Struts Action 1.x application myself that will never see a rewrite, so if for some reason Struts Ti doesn't have full Struts Action 1.x compatibility, it'll stay on the stable, supported Struts Action 1.x. I have been at at three investment banks in London where I build Struts applications. I think that these applications will not be radically changed in the future regarding moving from Struts to another web framework e.g Spring MVC, Tapestry or JSF. What I do envision is that they may be refactored, particular if the underlying framework makes it easier? I think Don's Struts compatibility layer will make or break the adoption. If it is a very good piece of engineering that makes it easier to enhance, develop, and more importantly maintain Struts application, then that would be a big seller. On the otherhand if the layer is piecemeal, and there no obvious quick win here and there. For example you still have to fight with code and javascript all over the place, and base actions and action forms, and you have to set validation manually, and incorporate application resources, download ApplicationResources.properties with `error.required' from the net, then I can see it wont work very well. I am not saying that it should be Ruby on Rails with active database dynamic records, but it could be a lot be easier for developer to get a basic web application up and running, but still have extensibility. One of the secrets of Struts wide adoption is that it didn't try to be the jack of all spades and stuck cooly to MVC Model2. Now it has to grow with the trend for metaprogramming, which is not as easier to do with Java as it is with other languages. This is open source - if you are convinced Struts Action 1.x is the one true way, feel free to jump in and contribute. Just because Struts Ti may be right for me, it may not be for you. Don On 12/1/05, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I do not know how to do business. Heck, I do not have MBA. But for some reason I have a sour taste in the mouth. If StrutsTi/Struts2.0 is so heavily based on WebWork code that one did put an equal sign between the two, then Struts2.0 is not Struts anymore. It would be honest just to say that Struts ran out of steam, it is crusty, it sucks, its development is concluded and everyone is welcomed to switch to shiny WebWork. I would get that. I would accept that. At least I won't feel being fooled. In case of DaimlerChrysler one has an option to go and buy an original product. There is no such an option in Struts/WebWork case. How do you think you will explain to those who know that Struts sucks that Struts 2.0 is not Struts 1.x they knew (or actually did not know) before? Will you be telling them that this is actually WebWork, which is so much better? Now that would be fun. I have nothing against WebWork, I had looked into it once or twice, it is surely a nice framework, but I will not buy WebWork skinned as Struts. Michael. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] [JAVAWUG] BOF XIV / Monday / 5th December 2005 / Waxy O 'Co nnors / 19:15
This is just a reminder -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== The ``JAVA Web User Group'' is pleased to announce. Please join us for the BOF XIV London / Pre-Javapolis meet-up at the ``Waxy O'Connor'' Bar at 19:15M on Monday, 5th December, 2005. Waxy O'Connors 14 - 16 Rupert Street Leicester Square London W1D 6DD England http://www.waxyoconnors.co.uk/london/index.asp JAVAWUG is a Java User Group and it has already has listing at http://developers.sun.com/jugs/display/europe/gbr/london Blog details http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim FYI: We now have a JUG mailing list at ``javawug at googlegroups dot com'' Confirmed Attendees in no particular order Adam Hardy Matthew Harrison Christopher Marsh-Bourdon Jim Collins Peter Pilgrim Anyone else I missed, now is the time to speak up -- Peter Pilgrim Organiser / Founder ( JAVAWUG http://developers.sun.com/jugs/display/europe/gbr/london ) ( ( ( ( ( ( )\( ( )\)\))( ' ( )\ ) )_)( )\ )_)( ((_)()\ ))\(()/( ((_)\ _ )\((_)((_)\ _ )\_(())\_)()_ ((_)/(_))_ _ | (_)_\(_) \ / /(_)_\(_) \((_)/ / | | (_)) __| | || |/ _ \ \ V / / _ \ \ \/\/ /| |_| | | (_ | \__//_/ \_\ \_/ /_/ \_\ \_/\_/ \___/ \___| = == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] [JAVAWUG] BOF XIV / Monday / 5th December 2005 / Waxy O'Co nnors / 19:15
The ``JAVA Web User Group'' is pleased to announce. Please join us for the BOF XIV London / Pre-Javapolis meet-up at the ``Waxy O'Connor'' Bar at 19:15M on Monday, 5th December, 2005. Waxy O'Connors 14 - 16 Rupert Street Leicester Square London W1D 6DD England http://www.waxyoconnors.co.uk/london/index.asp JAVAWUG is a Java User Group and it has already has listing at http://developers.sun.com/jugs/display/europe/gbr/london -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: Best AJAX framework
Are they are using SVG for the icons or actual GIF/Images? -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: Rafael Nami [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 November 2005 10:51 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: Best AJAX framework http://dojotoolkit.org/~alex/dojo/trunk/demos/widget/Fisheye.h tmlhttp://dojotoolkit.org/%7Ealex/dojo/trunk/demos/widget/Fis heye.html WOW! 2005/11/11, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: netsql wrote: Just to be diferent, there are alternatives to Ajax: http://msdn.microsoft.com/smartclient/understanding/definition /default.aspx Ooh! Isomorphic is not going to like that. They've had an Ajax toolkit product named SmartClient for quite a few years now. http://www.smartclient.com/ -- Martin Cooper .V Rafael Nami wrote: Super, I tested ajaxtags and really liked it, but that's how I said before - The team arged that before using a framework, they have to understand what Ajax is. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: Best AJAX framework
Missed Frank's post. SVG I thought so! -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] JAVAWUG / BOF XIII / Belgo Central / Friday 28th Sept 2 005 / 19:15
Just a reminder The ``JAVA Web User Group'' is pleased to announce. Please meet for the BOF XIII London meet-up at the ``Belgo Central Restaurant'' at 19:15M on Friday, 28th October, 2005. 50 Earlham Street, Covent Garden, London, WC2H 9HP United Kingdom Nearest Tube: Covent Garden Cuisine: Belgian Telephone: 020 7813 2233 For an ajax Google Map click here http://www.london-eating.co.uk/maps/248.asp For the more traditional street map try this http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530189y=181082z=0sv=WC2H+9HPst=2pc=WC2H+9HPmapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf The JAVAWUG is a Java User Group and it has already has listing at http://developers.sun.com/jugs/display/europe/gbr/london ==== Also on the sameday EJB Workshop 3 presentation by Alexander Hartner at Sun's London Bridge office at lunchtime 12-14pm. More salient details on http://www.ejb3workshop.com/ -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 Organiser / Founder ( http://www.javawug.com/ ) ( ( ( ( ( ( )\( ( )\)\))( ' ( )\ ) )_)( )\ )_)( ((_)()\ ))\(()/( ((_)\ _ )\((_)((_)\ _ )\_(())\_)()_ ((_)/(_))_ _ | (_)_\(_) \ / /(_)_\(_) \((_)/ / | | (_)) __| | || |/ _ \ \ V / / _ \ \ \/\/ /| |_| | | (_ | \__//_/ \_\ \_/ /_/ \_\ \_/\_/ \___/ \___| = == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] JAVAWUG / BOF XIII / Belgo Central / Friday 28th Sept 2005 / 19:00
Hi The ``JAVA Web User Group'' is pleased to announce. Please meet for the BOF XIII London meet-up at the ``Belgo Central Restaurant'' at 19:00M on Friday, 28th October, 2005. 50 Earlham Street, Covent Garden, London, WC2H 9HP United Kingdom Nearest Tube: Covent Garden Cuisine: Belgian Telephone: 020 7813 2233 For an ajax Google Map click here http://www.london-eating.co.uk/maps/248.asp For the more traditional street map try this http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530189y=181082z=0sv=WC2H+9HPst=2pc=WC2H+9HPmapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf The JAVAWUG is a Java User Group and it has already has listing at http://developers.sun.com/jugs/display/europe/gbr/london Lots of interesting things went down at the BEAWorld 2005 Technical Day in London yesterday. It was the first time I heard a mention about the ``Clarity'' proposal. I blogged my day out at the Royal Lancaster Hotel http://www.jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 Organiser / Founder ( http://www.javawug.com/ ) ( ( ( ( ( ( )\( ( )\)\))( ' ( )\ ) )_)( )\ )_)( ((_)()\ ))\(()/( ((_)\ _ )\((_)((_)\ _ )\_(())\_)()_ ((_)/(_))_ _ | (_)_\(_) \ / /(_)_\(_) \((_)/ / | | (_)) __| | || |/ _ \ \ V / / _ \ \ \/\/ /| |_| | | (_ | \__//_/ \_\ \_/ /_/ \_\ \_/\_/ \___/ \___| = == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] [STRUTS/JSF] BOF XII / Belgo Central / Wednesday 28th S ept 2005 / 18:45
* P U S H E D B A C K ! * The twelfth bird-of-feature Struts JSF London meet-up has been postponed for just eight days. The event will now take place on Wednesday 28th September 2005, at approximately 18:45. Same venue, same time. Bring a mate. Thanks very much -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2005 17:11 To: Struts User Apache (E-mail); MyFaces Discussion (E-mail) Subject: [ANN] [STRUTS/JSF] BOF XII / Belgo Central / Tuesday 20th Sept 2005 / 18:45 Greetings I am very pleased to announce that the ``Struts / JSF London Network'' is meeting for the twelfth bird-of-feather discussions This event will be taking place at the ``Belgo Central Restaurant'' at 6:45PM on Tuesday, 20th September, 2005. 50 Earlham Street, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom WC2H 9HP Nearest Tube: Covent Garden Cuisine: Belgian Telephone: 020 7813 2233 For an ajax Google Map click here http://www.london-eating.co.uk/maps/248.asp For the more traditional street map try this http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530189y=181082z=0sv =WC2H+9HPst=2pc=WC2H+9HPmapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf (1) It's ok to bring a friend or colleague. (2) My choice would have been china town. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] [STRUTS/JSF] BOF XII / Belgo Central / Tuesday 20th Sept 2005 / 18:45
Greetings I am very pleased to announce that the ``Struts / JSF London Network'' is meeting for the twelfth bird-of-feather discussions This event will be taking place at the ``Belgo Central Restaurant'' at 6:45PM on Tuesday, 20th September, 2005. 50 Earlham Street, Covent Garden, London, United Kingdom WC2H 9HP Nearest Tube: Covent Garden Cuisine: Belgian Telephone: 020 7813 2233 For an ajax Google Map click here http://www.london-eating.co.uk/maps/248.asp For the more traditional street map try this http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530189y=181082z=0sv=WC2H+9HPst=2pc=WC2H+9HPmapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf (1) It's ok to bring a friend or colleague. (2) My choice would have been china town. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Check Disk space before file upload
I have written a long time ago, the JavaUNIX API framework http://www.xenonsoft.demon.co.uk/products/javaunix/ -Original Message- From: Anuradha S.Athreya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Hello, How can I check for disk space on the server before uploading a file on the server? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PARTIALLY SOLVED] RE: handleConfigException in Struts 1.1
FYI / HTHSB Looks like it is the dreaded application server ClassLoader issue again and this episode perfectly illustrates the best practice for logging in Enterprise business software and for framework writers. http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7217/SW/struts/errors.html It is appears the build environment was changed under the project ANT config. An ``ActionForm'' type was included in the EAR and of course in the WAR portion. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 August 2005 09:51 To: Struts User Apache (E-mail) Subject: handleConfigException in Struts 1.1 (I still need the source code for Struts 1.1) My real problem is a Struts 1.1 application ( my client does not want to upgrade 1.2. ) deployed on a WebLogic 8.1 Server. The application fails to deploy because of a parsing error. Has anyone come across this type of stack trace before? 22-Aug-2005 17:57:53 o'clock BST Error HTTP lnl45a-4102 asds1 ExecuteThread: '1' for queue: 'weblogic.kernel.System' WLS Kernel BEA-1012 16 Servlet: action failed to preload on startup in Web application: asds. javax.servlet.UnavailableException: Parsing error processing resource path at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.handleConfigException(A ctionServlet.java:1035) at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.parseModuleConfigFile(A ctionServlet.java:1014) at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.initModuleConfig(Action Servlet.java:955) at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.init(ActionServlet.java:470) at javax.servlet.GenericServlet.init(GenericServlet.java:258) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl$ServletInitAction.ru n(ServletStubImpl.java:993) at weblogic.security.acl.internal.AuthenticatedSubject.doAs(Authe nticatedSubject.java:317) at weblogic.security.service.SecurityManager.runAs(SecurityManage r.java:118) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.createServlet(Servle tStubImpl.java:869) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.createInstances(Serv letStubImpl.java:848) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.prepareServlet(Servl etStubImpl.java:787) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.preloadServlet( WebAppServletContext.java:3260) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.preloadServlets (WebAppServletContext.java:3205) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.preloadResource s(WebAppServletContext.java:3182) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.setStarted(WebA ppServletContext.java:5663) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppModule.start(WebAppModule.java:869) at weblogic.j2ee.J2EEApplicationContainer.start(J2EEApplicationCo ntainer.java:2022) at weblogic.j2ee.J2EEApplicationContainer.activate(J2EEApplicatio nContainer.java:2063) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$ComponentActiva teTask.activateContainer(SlaveDeployer.java:2592) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$ActivateTask.do Commit(SlaveDeployer.java:2515) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$Task.commit(Sla veDeployer.java:2317) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$Task.checkAutoC ommit(SlaveDeployer.java:2399) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$Task.prepare(Sl aveDeployer.java:2311) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$ActivateTask.pr epare(SlaveDeployer.java:2479) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer.processPrepareT ask(SlaveDeployer.java:798) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer.prepareDelta(Sl aveDeployer.java:507) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer.prepareUpdate(S laveDeployer.java:465) at weblogic.drs.internal.SlaveCallbackHandler$1.execute(SlaveCall backHandler.java:25) at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.execute(ExecuteThread.java:197) at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:170) The struts-config.xml appears to be flawless, but it is better to have multiple eyes beating my two very experienced eyes. I just don't see any wrong in the struts-config in the simplest cut down version and the bean classes do exist in the right place. Yes, I started a process of elimination investigation to isolate the failure. Is it the XML? Struts? or WLS? ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !DOCTYPE struts-config PUBLIC -//Apache Software Foundation//DTD Struts Configuration 1.1//EN http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/dtds/struts-config_1_1.dtd; struts-config
handleConfigException in Struts 1.1
(I still need the source code for Struts 1.1) My real problem is a Struts 1.1 application ( my client does not want to upgrade 1.2. ) deployed on a WebLogic 8.1 Server. The application fails to deploy because of a parsing error. Has anyone come across this type of stack trace before? 22-Aug-2005 17:57:53 o'clock BST Error HTTP lnl45a-4102 asds1 ExecuteThread: '1' for queue: 'weblogic.kernel.System' WLS Kernel BEA-1012 16 Servlet: action failed to preload on startup in Web application: asds. javax.servlet.UnavailableException: Parsing error processing resource path at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.handleConfigException(ActionServlet.java:1035) at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.parseModuleConfigFile(ActionServlet.java:1014) at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.initModuleConfig(ActionServlet.java:955) at org.apache.struts.action.ActionServlet.init(ActionServlet.java:470) at javax.servlet.GenericServlet.init(GenericServlet.java:258) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl$ServletInitAction.run(ServletStubImpl.java:993) at weblogic.security.acl.internal.AuthenticatedSubject.doAs(AuthenticatedSubject.java:317) at weblogic.security.service.SecurityManager.runAs(SecurityManager.java:118) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.createServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:869) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.createInstances(ServletStubImpl.java:848) at weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.prepareServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:787) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.preloadServlet(WebAppServletContext.java:3260) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.preloadServlets(WebAppServletContext.java:3205) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.preloadResources(WebAppServletContext.java:3182) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppServletContext.setStarted(WebAppServletContext.java:5663) at weblogic.servlet.internal.WebAppModule.start(WebAppModule.java:869) at weblogic.j2ee.J2EEApplicationContainer.start(J2EEApplicationContainer.java:2022) at weblogic.j2ee.J2EEApplicationContainer.activate(J2EEApplicationContainer.java:2063) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$ComponentActivateTask.activateContainer(SlaveDeployer.java:2592) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$ActivateTask.doCommit(SlaveDeployer.java:2515) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$Task.commit(SlaveDeployer.java:2317) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$Task.checkAutoCommit(SlaveDeployer.java:2399) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$Task.prepare(SlaveDeployer.java:2311) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer$ActivateTask.prepare(SlaveDeployer.java:2479) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer.processPrepareTask(SlaveDeployer.java:798) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer.prepareDelta(SlaveDeployer.java:507) at weblogic.management.deploy.slave.SlaveDeployer.prepareUpdate(SlaveDeployer.java:465) at weblogic.drs.internal.SlaveCallbackHandler$1.execute(SlaveCallbackHandler.java:25) at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.execute(ExecuteThread.java:197) at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:170) The struts-config.xml appears to be flawless, but it is better to have multiple eyes beating my two very experienced eyes. I just don't see any wrong in the struts-config in the simplest cut down version and the bean classes do exist in the right place. Yes, I started a process of elimination investigation to isolate the failure. Is it the XML? Struts? or WLS? ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !DOCTYPE struts-config PUBLIC -//Apache Software Foundation//DTD Struts Configuration 1.1//EN http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/dtds/struts-config_1_1.dtd; struts-config !-- == Form Bean Definitions === -- form-beans form-bean name=NavigateForm type=com.csfb.asds.ui.form.NavigateForm / /form-beans !-- == Global Forward Definitions == -- global-forwards forward name=blank path=/secured/index.jsp redirect=true / /global-forwards !-- == Action Mapping Definitions == -- /struts-config The b**t**d thing is that WLS and Struts do not seem to obey Log4j.properties setting I ordered ``log4j.logger.org.apache.struts = DEBUG''. I would expect a very verbose WebLogic application server log files, but it doesn't do it for me. I remember doing it in JBoss, Oracle AS 9.0 and Tomcat 4.1.24 circa 2003! How else do you get Struts 1.1 to dump shed load of debugger output (again)? Failing that I want to hack the 1.1 code to show the exception stacktrace(s). I believe there is
RE: [URGENT] Struts 1.1 Source Download
Thanks Nicolas. Tried downloading from your site, but something in the ZIP is triggering the down security here. Nothing to do with the URL location more probably I caught the bad side of the filter hashing algorithm. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: Nicolas De Loof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 August 2005 09:53 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [URGENT] Struts 1.1 Source Download I've put it on http://loof.free.fr/jakarta-struts-1.1-src.zip Hope it will help you. Nico. Pilgrim, Peter a écrit : Can anyone tell me where I can download the full Struts 1.1 source code other than http://archive.apache.org/dist/struts/ which is being blocked by my clients corporate security ? -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 = = Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml = = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Capgemini Group. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[URGENT] Struts 1.1 Source Download
Can anyone tell me where I can download the full Struts 1.1 source code other than http://archive.apache.org/dist/struts/ which is being blocked by my clients corporate security ? -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [URGENT] Struts 1.1 Source Download
That is not the point. The secsoft is triggering on the contents of the JAR or zip file. In other word said corporate software is reading the entire mistakenly (hash) matching on a word, and saying No way Charlie, out you go. Anyway I now have the file. Do you remember back in the days before the Internet? Do you remember the gnu ftpmail? I once request 12 parts of GNU Emacs source file by email. Just email with the URL, I mean FTP address, the directory what you want you to download. The next morning I walked in the office my Emacs was ready. Deattach them to directory then run cat emacs*.dta emacs-1.0.1-src.tar.gz on SunOS. Oh bliss! -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 August 2005 15:15 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [URGENT] Struts 1.1 Source Download You know, you could have just gone here: http://archive.apache.org/dist/struts/struts-1.1/ -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance EdgeTech, Inc. http://www.edgetechservices.net/ 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx Yahoo: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: jmitchtx On Aug 23, 2005, at 10:10 AM, Ed Griebel wrote: I've put it on dropload.com for you, retrieval information sent as private e-mail. (dropload allows a user to send a big file, and another user can download it once by visiting the website.) -ed On 8/23/05, Emmanouil Batsis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, no dice. Perhaps one should email the archive to you. Emmanouil Batsis wrote: Long shot but have you tried using HTTPS? Pilgrim, Peter wrote: Thanks Nicolas. Tried downloading from your site, but something in the ZIP is triggering the down security here. Nothing to do with the URL location more probably I caught the bad side of the filter hashing algorithm. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: Nicolas De Loof [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 August 2005 09:53 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [URGENT] Struts 1.1 Source Download I've put it on http://loof.free.fr/jakarta-struts-1.1-src.zip Hope it will help you. Nico. Pilgrim, Peter a écrit : Can anyone tell me where I can download the full Struts 1.1 source code other than http://archive.apache.org/dist/struts/ which is being blocked by my clients corporate security ? -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 = = Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml = = - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Capgemini Group. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. -- --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === === Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml === === --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 August 2005 06:39 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2) OK, my post did look kind of ugly. It really wasn't directed at any person, just at the words. I've been programming with Swing since 1.1.8 and finally I am able to do it for a living. I've heard all the Swing stinks arguments just like I've heard all the EJB stinks arguments. But I've built applications using each that don't stink. It took me a long time to get good at AWT/Swing/Graphics in Java. Years. The applications that people commonly use for a point of reference, such as Limewire, just don't illustrate what these APIs can do. You haven't seen what's behind corporate firewalls. JFC exposes much, graphically, that the underlying windowing toolkit has to offer. There is nothing stopping you from taking a blank panel, a Graphics2D and implementing your own layout managers and all your own controls. And they won't be slow unless you write code that doesn't take a Thread from point A to point B on the shortest route possible. In fact, they have a good chance of being awesome. But, you can get tangled up in large method stacks if you don't scour the source and examine a lot of stack traces, if you just blindly use the APIs and recommended coding styles. I've criticized Swing too. The main problem with it is that the authors used private and package-private fields and methods everywhere, making subclassing difficult and in some places nearly impossible. Library designers should use protected unless told otherwise. There are other criticisms but that's my main one. But, it made me mad when I started reading all these articles about SWT and Eclipse and how Swing sucked. I didn't want Sun/JCP to ever buy that. People parrot that stuff. I want Sun/JCP to keep on working on it and keep on making it better. It has come a long way and you can do ANYTHING with it if you invest the time instead of looking for some framework or plugin to do everything for you. Anyway, I know, I'm on the wrong list. All I should have said is: Good Swing code is anything but crap code. Erik Before getting into Servlets I did a hell of a lot Swing development. Investment banks in the UK were using Swing and the Java Plug-in way back in 1999, before uptake of Servlets and JSP. In fact I reviewed the first edition of Manning's book Swing by Vorobev et al for the Association of C/C++ Users in the UK (http://www.accu.org/). The my review quote is printed on the subsequent editions of the book. This was and still is great book that clearly demonstrate what you can achieved with the Swing API circa 2000. I have left Swing / Java2D behind both professionally and leisurely to concentrate on J2EE architecture, but I have fond members of tinkering with the Swing. For one thing it was god-send back then when all you had was AWT. I bet things have improved immensely with JNDC and what the Sun Swing team have done since I turned J2EE. If you were at JavaONE you cant failed to be impressed with the Joplin MP3 player demonstation. If you were at the pavillion and talked to Sun JFC guys they are pressing ahead with more innovations and are seriously reviewing and acting the look and feel criticism One thing that is always levered at Swing constantly is it is graphic emulation of the native platform's look and feel. For this is one of Swing core strength, nowhere have I seen a toolkit with a pluggable look and feel architecture. A fantastic example of applying desing pattern. Because of that you should really learn Swing to see how a very complex but very useful API can be designed. People get itchy, however, about PLAF: Meaning that Java is slow. At this year's JavaONE, the idea that Java is slow is completely nonsense. I was blown away by Java 3D demonstration. Admittedly the demo I saw was one 3D POV and speeding over an intense detailed mountainous display. For a gaming you 'd need artifical combatants and intelligence and lots of collision detection etc etc but man it was amazing to see Java doing the business. The future is bright. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT]Terrific intro to JSF
-Original Message- From: C.F. Scheidecker Antunes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Well. It seems that all articles were written already. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/views/java/libraryview.jsp?search_by=nonbelievers: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: ==== I was trying to print out the above documents so I could read them on the train last night. I cant believe that IBM Developer does not have a Printer Friendly link for its online stuff. I could be wrong! i know it isn't Friday yet.. ;) but .. in case you have been looking for a nice and clear introduction to JSF, look no further. Here it is: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-jsf1/ I have only just completed the first article - and can't wait to get to the next three! - but the first article is just *fantastic*. It's articles like these which make Java almost too much fun..:) Geeta -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT]Terrific intro to JSF
-Original Message- From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== From: Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/views/java/libraryview.jsp?search_by=nonbelievers: I was trying to print out the above documents so I could read them on the train last night. I cant believe that IBM Developer does not have a Printer Friendly link for its online stuff. I could be wrong! It does... on the right hand side below the orange 'DeveloperWorks' tab there is a box with 'Document Options.' The first one is 'Print this page'. My copy is at work, but IIRC it printed out nicely-- they did a good job with the stylesheets for screen vs. print. ==== I saw this button / link already. However I dont get good result. It did not print out correctly because the stylesheet and scaling are chomped to the right hand side even scaling down to 82%. I guess I could try 50% scale and a get myself a nice magnifying glass! -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: {Spam?} Re: [OT]Terrific intro to JSF
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== That's how I tried to print and I got yukky results... (But I'm using Firefox maybe I gotta use IE or something..?) Geeta I tried Firefox, then attempt Internet Explorer same bad results. Just tried it at 79% scale pointless to go squeezing the scale. We have powerful A3 capable HP Laserjet here. I dont understand why IBM choose not to follow the idiom like TheServerSide.com or OnJava.com, just bloody awful infuriating nonsense. The page actually mentions a Acrobat Reader download, but if they offer that then may PDF generation is best for everyone if they cant offer a decent printer friendly option. Hani will probably Bile'em soon for this. Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/10/2005 09:23:29 AM: From: Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/views/java/libraryview.jsp? search_by=nonbelievers: I was trying to print out the above documents so I could read them on the train last night. I cant believe that IBM Developer does not have a Printer Friendly link for its online stuff. I could be wrong! It does... on the right hand side below the orange 'DeveloperWorks' tab there is a box with 'Document Options.' The first one is 'Print this page'. My copy is at work, but IIRC it printed out nicely-- they did a good job with the stylesheets for screen vs. print. ==== -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT]Terrific intro to JSF
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Damn. Wish *I* had thought of saying just bloody awful infuriating nonsense in some of the project meetings I've sat in in the past..;)) Geeta Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/10/2005 09:42:05 AM: I had another go at printing just the first page. Try 70% scale. It worked for me, which gets me a main text with a font size of, I think, about 7.5 - 8.0 points, right on the limit for stationary reading, but impossible to read on a juddering railway train! ==== http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/views/java/libraryview.jsp?search_by=nonbelievers: ==== -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] JSF style-ability (was: Terrific into to JSF)
-Original Message- From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== What do you have to do to get on Creator 2 EA? On 8/8/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McClanahan wrote: And you were so ***good*** about the Maven thread! :-) :-) :-) You can't expect me to turn around all at once can you Craig?!? :) LOL :-) You know, I started making this a reply to that thread because I didn't think it would go any further, and I originally said if it did then I'd start a new thread... but, as I was typing my response I started to realized is probably *would* go a message or two more, so better to start that new thread now :) ==== -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [STRUTS 2X]: Ideas
-Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== On 7/31/05, Nick Heudecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there are a lot of people out there who feel as you do, but backwards-compatibility has always been a major theme for those While backwards compatibility is nice, I would rather see a better framework for the 2.x release. My personal opinion is that version compatibility should be required between point releases, but all bets are off for major revisions. I would tend to agree. Personally, I think a great place to start would be a Struts codebase for Java 5. It's not something I can work on myself right now, but if I start coding in Java again, I'd definately want to get up to speed with everything that Java 5 has to offer. A lot of frameworks that are very different from Struts are able to read the Struts configuration and allow use of Struts actions and such, while also allowing use of the native framework members. But any proposals for a new Struts subproject or revolution have to be based on an existing codebase. Discussions and debates will never be enough. Someone has to show us the code, and more importantly, the community behind the code. Yes I tend to agree that just discussions is not equal to code, but one must have the vision, and for a vision you must eventually come up with a design. When a coder is a committer, like Craig or I, we can start whiteboards in the Apache repository, mainly to avoid putting the code through the Incubator later. But, we still have to go through the same guantlet with the Struts PMC that a codebase that originated at SourceForge goes through. What we want to most in a proposal is an indication that the project will go on whether Struts accepts it or not. We want codebases that can stand on their own feet, but would prefer to stand with us, if they can. If the only way a codebase will get written is if we accept it, then the codebase will never be written :) Every major codebases we've ever accepted, Validator, Tiles, Nesting, EL, Scripting, Flow, and Shale, were all written and attracting communities before we considered them for subprojects. And, had we passed, each one of these would have gone on to live indepedant lives with their own communities.. So what you saying one can take the existing codebase and build a next generation derivative. Publish it around, wait for the community to build up, and then you will get a chance to be considered among equals. HTH. Ted. ==== -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [STRUTS 2X]: Ideas
-Original Message-
From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
====
Pilgrim, Peter on 01/08/05 09:30, wrote:
Struts 2 should force an Action or ActionForm to be interface or
subclass of an abstract type, hence dependency injection.
Oops! My wording was wrong.
Struts 2 should [definitely] __NOT__ force an Action or ActionForm
implement an a particular interface or interfaces, or be a
concrete subclass of any abstract type.
Hence dependency injection presupposes the existance of a container
and also a lifecycle manager.
If the former is the case, then it follows that calling the action
method should be flexible
public void bluegrass(ActionContext ac) { /* ... */}
or
public void bluegrass() {
ActionContext ac = typeOfThreadLocal.getFromSomeWhere();
/* ... */ }
then you need to handle absurdities like so (the general case )
public void bluegrass( A a, B b, ... ActionContext ac, ...
Y y, Z z )
{ /* ... */}
Dependency injection lets me swap implementations really
easily, so for
instance in testing for business tier, I can have either real DAOs or
Mock DAOs depending on the XML configuration I choose.
So in the servlet tier, what would be the advantages? In
testing again I
guess, choosing to inject either the real Factories or Mock Factories
(or Delegates or Session Facade, choose your pattern).
You could put this IoC in the struts-config. It could also inject the
form bean, if the plan allows for its seperation from the action. The
action would have to be instantiated for each request in that case,
rather than having one per container.
And in particular putting this dependency injection and
assembly information also inside the struts-config would remove
one more XML file to configure.
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RE: [STRUTS 2X]: Ideas
-Original Message-
From: Paul Benedict [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
====
Frank,
I am fond of these two ideas (see following). Heck, I
would be willing to even write them if I think there
would be a chance of someone actually commiting them
into the Trunk!!
There are four things that I am very fond of and they
are all tightly integrated:
(1) POJO for forms
See below
(2) Stubbing of abstract attributes for framework
implementation like Tapestry.
Are you talking abouting the ``jwcid'' attribute?
(3) The use of native data types in forms without
worrying of validation.
A new validation methodology is required.
With JSF there is processing render life cycle,
now the new version could borrow that model, or
better analyse it and come with something better.
(4) Action methods being part of the POJO.
Agreed here. I would like the flexible to make the action form
and the action seperate or be part of the same class.
Struts uses the BeanUtil library so in order to change the
use of native types in form without validations may require
changes to that library.
I believe Struts 2 should inject dependencies into the actions
or action forms. It is a little contraversial as there
are many IoC frameworks out to there to do this already.
Struts 2 should force an Action or ActionForm to be interface
or subclass of an abstract type, hence dependency injection.
If the former is the case, then it follows that calling the
action method should be flexible
public void bluegrass(ActionContext ac) { /* ... */}
or
public void bluegrass() {
ActionContext ac = typeOfThreadLocal.getFromSomeWhere();
/* ... */
}
then you need to handle absurdities like so (the general case )
public void bluegrass( A a, B b, ... ActionContext ac, ... Y y, Z z ) { /*
... */}
Also remember we have the chain of responsible stuff and the
Struts action extension to factor, which most developer
haven't even use yet in real anger, into a new version of
Struts 2. Proviso backwards compatibility
Just imagine how cool it would be to have something
like:
public class MyActionForm {
// stub out properties
public abstract String getFirstName();
public abstract String getLastName();
public abstract intgetAge();
public void save(ActionContext ac) {
// save form here
}
public void edit(ActionContext ac) {
// edit form here
}
public void bluegrass(ActionContext ac) {
// do something else here
}
}
In this example, all four things happen:
(1) The object is a POJO and (3) uses native data
types. If any conversion failure happens, it is
considered an automatic validation error.
(2) The attributes are stubbed out for implementation
like done in Tapestry. This allows the type-checking
at runtime found in ActionForms (important to me) with
the flexibility of defining forms like DynaActionForms
(used heavily by me).
(3) Action methods are now part of the action form
itself. Here I used the Struts 1.3 method of having
the Chain-of-command object be the only thing passed
in, which should contain references to any other web
object you need to complete this request. I believe
JSF does something similar, and why not imitate this
good idea? Besides, I think the Struts Roadmap has a
similar idea planned for 1.5???
Thanks guys.
====
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RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
And somtimes you will arrive mid-project not necessarily on a greenfield landscape where the technology decisions have already been defined for you. What can a developer do except fall in line with the Struts-has-been-chosen-decission? The best you can do within companies (corporations) is to get the management to accept the latest release version and not accept a stale version e.g Struts 1.1 or even version 1.1. I am afraid, Struts, is here to stay until we see some well-publicised proofs of concepts out there in the internet and in the headline news that JSF or whatever out there is better. In IMHO you are more likely to see well crafted Tapestry applications out there right here, right now -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 July 2005 13:10 To: Struts Users Mailing List Cc: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! I guess I am a little lost on this comment. There are hundreds / thousands of complex Java sites available on the internet. Examples include US Airways Reservation system, EBay, BlueCross BlueShield of South Carolina, CitiBank, etc. All of these public sites support very large user bases. John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/26/2005 06:15 PM Please respond to Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org To Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org cc Subject RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! Mark, You are right. I worked on Java and hope Java success. That is the reason my links are java-based. I just want see more sites written in Java. That is why I think in Java world, we need more doers than talkers. If more java programmers code complex sites, java could compete to PHP. But now almost all public sites are dominated by PHP and others... Hope other Java programmers provides Java links as well. John H. Xu http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.Getusobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: Mark Benussi To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:35:53 +0100 It is interesting to see that the two sites on your footer are written using JSP. -Original Message- From: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 July 2005 20:42 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! It is interesting to see PHP that has simple programming models defeat Java in real applications. This leads to a question: Do Java best programming models and frameworks conter-productive for real applications and sites? The new frameworks, other than struts, I like Spring. I would not use JSF unless JSF had some real applications (based on Sun's reputation on their new technologies). John H. Xu http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.GetusJobs.com (The largest free job portal in North America) - Original Message - From: Daniel Perry To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:45:53 +0100 PHP / (origional) JSP are the same stuff really. Scripted web page. Main difference is php not OO (well, the api isnt), and php doesnt require any declarations/typing - which makes it nicer for less able programmers. But the big difference is server requirements. JSP uses a lot more server resources. PHP can be made available on the cheapest mass virtual hosting servers. JSP (let alone full java web apps) cant. Also, pretty much anyone with any programming skills can pick up php in a couple of days. Same cant be said for e.g. Struts+Java+JSP+Servlet etc. This is why i am forced to use php for most sites (ok, so i normally pass it on to someone else here), and i tend to use struts for larger sites/apps that are going to be hosted internally/on dedicated servers. Daniel. -Original Message- From: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 July 2005 04:17 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!! JSF has been there for a while. We have to see how it does in real applications. EJB has been there for many years, but its complexity of configuration (at least before mature tools were developed) kept many J2EE projects expensive and over budgets (bad ROI examples). Thus we have so many frameworks in Java. Sun is to be blamed for always providing UNPROVEN technologies for java. In many cases, following sun too closely is not wise. PHP was great but I hope java can catch up in real application. John H. Xu http://www.usanalyst.com http://www.GetusJobs.com (The largest free job portal in North
RE: [OT] Hibernate vs. iBatis vs. POJO
I think the jewel in the crown with the EJB 3 specification is actually the new persistent model sub part of it. Following Linda De Michels and Scott Crawford presentations at JavaONE this year, you should be able to persist POJOs with any O/RM implementation that supplies a `javax.ejb.EntityManager' interface. If you would rather execute your own mapped SQL statements, then iBatis or similar is the choice. -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] BOF XI Struts JSF London / 7:00PM / Kettners
JUST A REMINDER The Eleventh Struts/JSF London Networking BOF is taking place on Tuesday 19 July 2005 at 19:00 or afterwards at Kettners Restaurant in SOHO, West End, London. 29 Romilly Street, London, W1D 5HP Telephone: 0871 223 8103 Nearest Tube: Leicester Square [3 minutes] (or Picadilly Circus [5 minutes], Tottenham Court Road [7 min] or Charing Cross [15 min ] ) http://www.london-eating.co.uk/2025.htm http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=publicpc=W1D%205HPcat=res http://travel.guardian.co.uk/restaurants/story/0,13739,1007545,00.html http://www.pizzaexpress.com/kettners/rest.htm Kettner looks swanking, but it's really just smoke and mirrors. So dont worry. To join up or confirm attendence send me an email off mailing list. If you want to bring a friend as well, then that fine. Just turn up at the scheduled time. Thanks in advance/. PS: BOF == Birds of a feather Some themes Free summer discussion on the forthcoming Struts 1.3 release and what is the next path to innovation with JSF. Should enterprises develop with JSF instead of Struts on new projects? On-going discussion with the Meetup replacement site? Plus any other business, members own experiences e.g. how to develop a project for the first-time with Spring and another IoC container? -- Peter Pilgrim :: J2EE Software Development Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts 1.2 v 1.3
What does 1.3 bring to the party? I know there will be with the composable request processor and commons chain integration. What other innovations are there in the new version? -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== On 7/14/05, Access Denied [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just bought and am reading James Holmes' book, Struts: The Complete Reference (Osborne 2004), which covers 1.2. I just learned from one of Ted Husted's posts that 1.3 is almost ready to be released. Am I wasting my time and should be studying other literature? Hmmm, I may have said almost, but I did not mean to imply soon. Right now, no one seems to be trying to push 1.3 out the door. There is not even a release plan. The only timeframe for 1.3 is indefinate. It could be a week, or a month, or five months. It all depends when a volunteer can step up to the plate. Of course, should indefinate happen, it would not make any 1.2 material obsolete. By 1.3, we mean the release would be backwardly compatible with 1.2. ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Newbie questions
-Original Message- From: Wendy Smoak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== From: C.F. Scheidecker Antunes [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I would like to learn right now is how to get information from a Select statement from a database and display it on a HTML table. That is, first I have a search form and them a search result with records from a MySQL database. I know how to do it with Servlets and JSPs but I would like to see a piece of code using the Struts framework. It's the same piece of code, assuming you've designed it right. :) Struts has nothing to do with reading from the database. Hopefully, you haven't embedded a bunch of JDBC in your Servlet. If you have, now would be a good time to move it out into a separate class (or layer, depending on how complex it is). Even better, use Hibernate or one of the other existing O/R mapping tools. Once you have a good system for retrieving data, you can use it with any application, Struts, Swing, or command-line. Have you installed the examples that ship with Struts? Particularly, the 'struts-mailreader' example will show you how to accept input from HTML forms and work with it. For paging results, I hear good things about DisplayTag http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/ but I haven't used it myself. -- Wendy Smoak I would second Wendy's advice, try to follow the example mailreader. The best advice with Struts is try to understand how all the parts of the framework fit together. Action, ActionForm, ActionServlet, View Helpers [Custom Tag libraries] The good news is that Struts framework is relatively a small scale library compared to larger library, e.g. Hibernate. Look for articles on Struts on the TheServerSide.com, Javaworld.com and OnJava.com and you will be fine. -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Storing data in session scope
-Original Message- From: Rafael Taboada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== I am suprise that no body mention a ServletFilter as also another possibility. I really appreciate ur help, thanks to everybody for ur reply. In my web.xml file I have: welcome-file-list welcome-file/index.jsp/welcome-file /welcome-file-list So when the user write the URL http://localhost:8084/SanCristobal... It calls the index.jsp file. This file has a frameset (I didn't use tiles). So, My doubt is how to store some data in application scope. The above reminds me of my design error when try to implement a website authentication scheme. I went down the plug-in, specific action and welcome file road until I realise that some parts of the website content may simple be static, but also need securing. So I used a ServletFilter. What data do I need to store???. Data that it has to be updated if the user goes to a module which update that data but in database. So If the user updates the data, it has to be updated automatically in the application scope. This is different kettle of fish. You need to implement in your application architecture the Reference Data Cache idiom. In this case you do not need to store data in application scope at all. Rather all your database access comes through business data access delegate. This data is not big... Here in Peru we have to know how much a dolar costs in Soles (our coin). So the entire application needs to know the cost. Another data is about TAX and it's the same for all users. Ey Dave Newton, I don't practice Kali/Arnis -- Rafael Taboada Software Engineer Cell : +511-97753290 No creo en el destino pues no me gusta tener la idea de controlar mi vida -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Storing data in session scope
-Original Message- From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 June 2005 11:54 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Storing data in session scope On 22/06/05 08:54 Pilgrim, Peter wrote: What data do I need to store???. Data that it has to be updated if the user goes to a module which update that data but in database. So If the user updates the data, it has to be updated automatically in the application scope. This is different kettle of fish. You need to implement in your application architecture the Reference Data Cache idiom. In this case you do not need to store data in application scope at all. Rather all your database access comes through business data access delegate. Peter, this caught my eye because I wasn't aware of this one - Reference Data Cache sounds like a useful pattern and one that I have probably implemented independently. Do you have a reference (bad pun) so I can check out this out ? I just searched thro Gang of Four and Marinescou's EJB Des. Patts. without seeing anything similar. Adam I am unsure if this is a pattern or idiom. If it is the former I thought I saw in a borrowed copy Java Patterns, one of Mark Grand's epic bestsellers. Possibly in Java Enterprise Patterns by Wiley. Actually the idiom is simply cache or the flyweight with a little modifications for web applications. The data access object pattern is re-use to make sure that every request for data goes the cache. The actual cache implementation is irrelevant TTL (time-to-live expiration times), SoftReferences (garbage collection) and/or destroyer Thread. For Web application you need to front-end your cache in control administration, or synchronise the cache from the database or because an external program has update the database behind the cache's back. YMMV because if you have an external (legacy) process that creates transient static data periodically then you need to architect some form re-synchronisation. Throws out the old cache, create a brand new cache. For example this could be a MDB (JMS) or come a J2EE connector. This is the use-case that takes the actually takes simple-in-memory and in-same-VM Java caching into the enterprise world of reference data. As I said before, first if you decide to use reference data cache, then you must make sure that you never access the data by going around the back of it. (What would be the point, then?). Second decide on compromise if your reference data does change regularly, and especially if it is external legacy process. Actually Wendy's suggestion ehcache would be good for an implementation. The same technology used by the Hibernators. HTH -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] BOF X / Monday / 20 June 2005
-Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter ==== This is just a reminder message. -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter ==== WHAT: I would like to formally announce that ``The Struts-JSF London Networking'' group is holding the tenth meet-up event on Monday 20th June 2005. This is a Pre-Java ONE meet-up WHERE: I will attempt to suggest a location by close-of-business Thursday 2nd June 2005 or ``you'' can suggest a venue somewhere in the city. At this moment in time I am suggesting that we meet up in The Theodore Bullfrog, Caring Cross http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/21/211/Theodore_Bullfrog/Charing_Cross ==== So The Theodore Bullfrog, Charing Cross it is on Monday 20th June 2005 at 6:45PM The last meet up before getting on the transatlantic flight JavaONE 2005. 26 John Adam Street Charing Cross London WC2N 6HL 020 7839 2697 http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/21/211/Theodore_Bullfrog/Charing_Cross Nearest tube is Charing Cross Bakerloo or Northern lines or Embankment Bakerloo, Northern, Circle, or District lines. Street map UK http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=530291y=180547z=0ar=Y ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Tiles]
See intermixed
-Original Message-
From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
====
I read the paper
http://www.browsermedia.com/devcorner/whitepapers/tiles201.jsp
which explains how to add attributes into a tile of a
definition then it
invokes the page.
Unfortunatly all I want to do is replace the page that the
layout uses to
render the layout, without the calling page having to care about it.
Humpf!
This is a limitation of Tiles. If I remember rightly, it was slightly
disconsenting to look in Ted' books Struts In Action and see an
example where there is a Tiles Definition with $ dollar notation
and then read the text that it will never work.
definition name=.master.layout path=/template/class-layout.jsp
put name=header value=/acme/portal/header.jsp /
put name=body value=YOU MUST DEFINE THIS! /
put name=footer value=/sia/portal/footer.jsp /
/definition
definition name=.view.bookList extends=.master.layout
path=/article/book/page.jsp
put name=body value=/jsp/${skin}/viewBookList.jsp /
/definition
I think the only to do is with a special Struts or Tiles Action class.
definition name=.view.bookList extends=.master.layout
path=/article/book/page.jsp
put name=body
value=/ViewInterceptor.do?pageInclude=/jsp/${skin-directory}/viewBookList.jsp
/
/definition
In other word you write an action `ViewInterceptor' that accepts a
parameter `pageInclude' which is URL to a page in your application.
You translate the token ${skin-directory} to whatever in relevant e.g a Folder
name
for skin path. You can invent an token and semantics you want.
This actions simply request dispatch includes the transformed page URL.
You tell the request processor not to perform action forward by returning
`null' in your action.
The above works because Tiles is itself performing a request dispatcher include,
so the `ViewInterceptor' is just another level of indirection. The advantage
is you can also set tiles attributes and push them to the request scope
for example. etc etc
It would be better if Struts Tiles had dynamic binding on the values of
definitions (or components).We could employ the following schemes, then :
(*) allowed String token substitution
(*) access to Expression Language evaluator
(*) had hooks like JSF with it VariableResolver interface.
-Original Message-
From: David G. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:36 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Tiles]
Ray,
If Xinsheng [mike] Huang's suggestion about using the JSP ($)
dollar sign
notation doesn't work, I'd suggest looking at giving your
template a tiles
controller so you can set the navi attribute to some object
and scope. That
way the controller can specify the insert automatically
before the tile is
rendered and without having to put code into every action,
just that one
tile's controller class.
Regards,
David
-Original Message-
From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:18 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Tiles]
I have a fairly simple situation where a set of pages are
used throughout
the application. Based on a set of crriteria known about
the user, I want
the page to use a set of common tiles to fill some parts of
the page, like
the header of the page. Other parts of the page are filled
with specific
tiles relative to what the page is attempting to show.
Instead of each of
the pages that use the layout setting the attribute, I
thought if it was
computed in the layout, I would save some management of these entries.
-Original Message-
From: David G. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:58 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Tiles]
Ray,
What architectural problems prevent you from either using a
TilesAction,
instead of a regular action, or a tiles controller to look
those things up
and set them for you so the page doesn't need to be 'that smart?'
Regards,
David
-Original Message-
From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:01 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [Tiles]
I have beat this situation to death without coming up with an answer.
I want to create a tile layout that includes a composed tile
in the layout
definition.
Any suggestions would be appreciated
It needs to look like
table border=0 width=100% cellspacing=5
trtd colspan=2
tiles:insert attribute=header /
/td
/tr
trtd width=140 valign=top
**tiles:insert page='/src/${Foo.answer}/nav.jsp'/
ORc:set var='navi' value='/src/${Foo.answer}/nav.jsp'/
**!-- c:out value='${navi}'/ outputs the correct page --
**tiles:insert attribute='navi'/
**!-- navi is in the wrong scope? -
/td
td valign=top align=left
RE: [ANN] JavaOne Social Gathering in San Francisco on 6/26 at 8p m
I think I already said Yes to this one. -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: Don Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 June 2005 17:44 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: [ANN] JavaOne Social Gathering in San Francisco on 6/26 at 8pm As the attached message describes, there is a meeting of Java web developers the night before JavaOne starts. I'm planning on attending and hope to see many of you there. Don Original Message Subject: [sv-web-jug] JavaOne Social Gathering in San Francisco on 6/26 at 8pm Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:51:02 -0700 From: Van Riper, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please join us for the third annual web developer gathering during JavaOne in San Francisco. After the JavaOne alumni reception at 8:00pm on Sunday evening, we will meet for drinks one short block from Moscone Center at the Thirsty Bear. All Java web developers are encouraged to participate in this event whether they are signed up to attend JavaOne this year or not. For those of you fortunate enough to be there last year, we had a good turnout including Don Brown (Struts Committer), Matt Raible (appFuse) and Craig McClanahan (Mr. Struts himself). The full event details for this year including RSVP instructions is here: http://www.baychi.org/bof/java/20050626/ I don't anticipate any changes, but, I recommend bookmarking the URL above and checking back the day of the event for any last minute updates. If there were a change of venue or start time, I will be certain to update the online event announcement to include the new information. Thanks, Van Mike Van Riper mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Silicon Valley Web Developer JUG https://sv-web-jug.dev.java.net A.K.A. Java Web Developer BayCHI BOF http://www.baychi.org/bof/java/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Tiles]
See intermixed
-Original Message-
From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
====
I read the paper
http://www.browsermedia.com/devcorner/whitepapers/tiles201.jsp
which explains how to add attributes into a tile of a
definition then it
invokes the page.
Unfortunatly all I want to do is replace the page that the
layout uses to
render the layout, without the calling page having to care about it.
Humpf!
This is a limitation of the current released Tiles implementation.
If I remember rightly, it was slightly disconcerting, to look in
Ted Husted's books Struts In Action and see an example where there
is a Tiles Definition with $ dollar notation and then read the
text closer that it cannot never work.
Let say we have a master layout definitions in Tiles.
definition name=.master.layout path=/template/class-layout.jsp
put name=header value=/acme/portal/header.jsp /
put name=body value=YOU MUST DEFINE THIS! /
put name=footer value=/sia/portal/footer.jsp /
/definition
definition name=.view.bookList extends=.master.layout
path=/article/book/page.jsp
put name=body value=/jsp/${skin}/viewBookList.jsp /
/definition
This cannot work because Tiles has no information or hooks to handle
special syntaxes.
I think the only way to do this, is with a special Struts or Tiles
Action class. If we make the value now dynamic then I think you
can get closer to what you want to achieve.
Here is how I would do this to skin an page layout view with a
different look-and-feel
definition name=.view.bookList extends=.master.layout
path=/article/book/page.jsp
put name=body
value=/ViewInterceptor.do?pageInclude=/jsp/${skin-directory}/viewBookList.jsp
/
/definition
In other words you write an action `ViewInterceptor' that accepts a
parameter `pageInclude', which is an URL to the target page in your
application.
You translate the token ${skin-directory} to whatever is relevant
e.g a Folder name for skin path. You can any invent an token, tokenising
and semantics you want in the action.
This actions simply request dispatch includes the transformed page URL.
You tell the request processor not to perform action forward by returning
`null' in your action.
The above works because Tiles is itself performing a request dispatcher include,
so the `ViewInterceptor' is just another level of indirection. The advantage
is you can also set tiles attributes and push them to the request scope
for example. etc etc
It would be better if Struts Tiles had dynamic binding on the values of
definitions (or components).We could employ the following schemes, then :
(*) allowed String token substitution
(*) access to Expression Language evaluator
(*) had hooks like JSF with it VariableResolver interface.
-Original Message-
From: David G. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:36 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Tiles]
Ray,
If Xinsheng [mike] Huang's suggestion about using the JSP ($)
dollar sign
notation doesn't work, I'd suggest looking at giving your
template a tiles
controller so you can set the navi attribute to some object
and scope. That
way the controller can specify the insert automatically
before the tile is
rendered and without having to put code into every action,
just that one
tile's controller class.
Regards,
David
-Original Message-
From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:18 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Tiles]
I have a fairly simple situation where a set of pages are
used throughout
the application. Based on a set of crriteria known about
the user, I want
the page to use a set of common tiles to fill some parts of
the page, like
the header of the page. Other parts of the page are filled
with specific
tiles relative to what the page is attempting to show.
Instead of each of
the pages that use the layout setting the attribute, I
thought if it was
computed in the layout, I would save some management of these entries.
-Original Message-
From: David G. Friedman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:58 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Tiles]
Ray,
What architectural problems prevent you from either using a
TilesAction,
instead of a regular action, or a tiles controller to look
those things up
and set them for you so the page doesn't need to be 'that smart?'
Regards,
David
-Original Message-
From: Ray Madigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:01 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [Tiles]
I have beat this situation to death without coming up with an answer.
I want to create a tile layout that includes a composed tile
in the layout
definition.
Any suggestions would be appreciated
It needs to look like
table border=0 width=100% cellspacing=5
RE: [OT] Business Layer Ideas
-Original Message-
From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
======
Hi, Peter,
I am not sure what you are saying here. I had trouble
following you.
The Strategy Pattern is roughly the following:
public class DefaultStrategyInterface implements StrategyInterface {
private Helper helper;
public void setHelper(Helper helper) {
this.helper = helper;
}
public void doWork() {
// Do business logic
int value = hleper.calculateSomething(params);
// Do more business logic
}
}
The Template Method Pattern used in Struts which necessitates the use
of the Chain of Responsibility Pattern, cf.
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2005/03/02/commonchains.html, is
roughly the following:
public abstract class AbstractMethodInterface implements
MethodInterface {
public void doWork() {
// Do some business logic
int value = calculateSomething(params);
// Do more business logic
}
protected abstract int calculateSomething(params);
}
So, in a real sense, the Strategy Pattern advocates, in comparison to
the Template Method Pattern, composition over inheritance allowing for
ease of testing and a host of other good results.
Struts is based on the Template Method Pattern which Sigglelow rightly
sees is rescued by the Chain of Responsibility Pattern. This is the
context in which I was addressing the Strategy Pattern. Can you give
a little demo of how CoR metamorphasis's into this? I find your not
interesting but cannot see what it means.
Thanks
Consider a GUI algorithm that displays rows from the database.
The typical problem is to work out the best column width for
rendering the screen.
interface IFormatDatabaseColumnWidth {
public int calcColumnWidth( Object[][] data, MetaData metaData[], int
columnNo );
}
// Slowest and most accurate algorithm iterates all rows in the result set
class AllRowsFDCW implements IFrameDatabaseColumnWidth { ... }
// Algorithm based on the first 100 rows
class First100FDCW implements IFrameDatabaseColumnWidth { ... }
// Algorithm that calculates the column width for every N rows
class StepwiseFDCW implements IFrameDatabaseColumnWidth { ... }
This is the classic strategy pattern, as I remember writing it in a Swing/JDBC
five years ago. (In fact Xenon-SQL is still out there somewhere, but it
is broken against JDK 1.3 and 24/7/365 the time to fix it! )
You can rewrite the above strategy with Chain of Responsibility
pedantically. If you have a very functional requirement for it.
class ChainFDCW implements IFrameDatabaseColumnWidth {
Catalog catalog;
String commandName;
// IoC container friendly
public void setCatalog( catalog ) { ... }
public void setCommandName( name ) { ... }
public int calcColumnWidth( Object[][] data, MetaData metaData[], int
columnNo )
{
Context context = new FDCWContext( data, metaData, columnNo );
Command command = catalog.getCommand( commandName );
command.execute( context );
if ( context.isCalculatedOk() )
return context.getColumnWidth();
else
throw new StrategyRuntimeException(
Failed to calculate column width );
}
}
Ok writing a CoR for calculating data width takes a bit of stretching
the imagination, but of course you can do it, which is the point.
On 5/31/05, Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
====
I should have added that Rod (Johnson) in the book cited pointedly
advocates extensive use of the Strategy Pattern, see pp.
421 ff. The
use of CoR in Struts 1.3 for the extensible
RequestProcessor is not a
feature but is a way of solving the problem created by
the original
use of the Template Method Pattern in that context. Had
the Strategy
Pattern been used in the first instance, everything would
have worked
better, in my opinion. In many ways, I think in the future the
Template Method Pattern may be seen as an Anti-Pattern.
Just to forestall flamethrowers, I want to emphasize that others
probably think differently and even the majority, i.e.
by definition
the members ipsa facto of the meritocracy, may think
differently.
But, Rod Johnson is no slouch on these matters. He
thinks the use of
Strategy Pattern is one of the reasons [Spring] is such
a flexible
and extensible framework.
Hello Jack
It can be shown that ``Chain of Responsibility'' pattern can be
metamorphed into the ``Strategy'' pattern. The first
proviso is that one
of your commnds becomes a catalogy factory or invoker of other
generic commands itself. The second proviso is you must pass all
your information back
RE: [OT] Business Layer Ideas
-Original Message-
From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
====
Strategy (315) Define a family of algorithms encapsulate each
one, and make them
interchangeable. Strategy lets the algorithm vary independently
from clients that use
it.
This is exactly I always thought it was too.
So, your point about the Strategy Pattern, of course, does not work
and is a non-starter.
Yes I missed the ``StrategyContext'' the actual POJO or entity that
encapsulates the ``Strategy'' and de-couples from the POJO.
Because of this decoupling you can thus change the strategy and
therefore write a __crazy_frog__ implementation that calls chain
if you found a worthy cause for it.
A Strategy Pattern most importantly introduces some Helper utility
interface for the various implementations of an algorithm. Thus, you
could have either
A.
interface IFormatDatabaseColumnWidth {
public void setHelper(Helper helper);
public void doWork();
}
or
B.
Inteface IFormatDatabaseColumnWidth {
public void doWork();
}
But the implementations would have to be something like:
public class IFormatDatabaseColumnWidthImpl {
private Helper helper;
public void setHelper(Helper helper) {
this.helper = helper;
}
public void doWork() {
// Do business logic
int value = helper.calcColumnWidth(data,metaData[]),columnNo);
// Do more business logic
}
}
Thus, there would be a Helper interface:
interface Helper {
int calcColumnWidth(Object [][] data, MetaData
metaData[]) int columnNo);
}
The differing calculations, then, would go into the Helper interface
implementations and not into the IFormatDatabaseColumnWidth interface
implementations. So, you might have
public class AllRowsFDCW implements Helper {
public int calcColumnWidth(Object [][] data, MetaData metaData[])
int columnNo) {
// Slowest and most accurate algorithm iterates all rows in
the result set
}
}
and
public class First100FDCW implements Helper {
public int calcColumnWidth(Object [][] data, MetaData metaData[])
int columnNo) {
// Algorithm based on the first 100 rows
}
}
and
public class class StepwiseFDCW implements Helper {
public int calcColumnWidth(Object [][] data, MetaData metaData[])
int columnNo) {
// Algorithm that calculates the column width for every N rows
}
}
Please note that the pattern essentially uses polymorphism and late
binding not through implementations of an interface but through a
composite pattern.
Thus, when inversion of control (IoC) is used with the Strategy
Pattern, whether you are doing Dependency Injection (DI) or Dependency
Lookup (DL), the Helper is what is the subject of the lookup or
injection. (IoC, including DL, cannot be identified as DI merely.)
Your explanation of the Strategy Pattern leaves out what is essential
to the pattern. Consequently, your explanation is merely how Chain of
Responsibiltiy (CoR) can be used instead of differing implementations
of an interface. See below for a short note on your CoR example.
Dependency injection can be used anywhere where there is a public constructor
or JavaBean setters. If you are using strategy pattern that you are right
you can inject the ``strategy'' into the ``StrategyContext'' at run-time.
And in this case if you want to use CoR inside the ``StrategyContext''
of course you need to write an adaptor for your algorithm interface
to call the first command of the Chain.
On 6/1/05, Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Consider a GUI algorithm that displays rows from the database.
The typical problem is to work out the best column width for
rendering the screen.
interface IFormatDatabaseColumnWidth {
public int calcColumnWidth( Object[][] data,
MetaData metaData[], int
columnNo );
}
// Slowest and most accurate algorithm iterates all rows in
the result set
class AllRowsFDCW implements IFrameDatabaseColumnWidth { ... }
// Algorithm based on the first 100 rows
class First100FDCW implements IFrameDatabaseColumnWidth { ... }
// Algorithm that calculates the column width for every N rows
class StepwiseFDCW implements IFrameDatabaseColumnWidth { ... }
This is the classic strategy pattern, as I remember writing
it in a Swing/JDBC
five years ago. (In fact Xenon-SQL is still out there
somewhere, but it
is broken against JDK 1.3 and 24/7/365 the time to fix it! )
SECOND PART: Ugh!
In my opinion, by the way, as an aside, using the CoR to replace mere
implementations of an interface would be rather *nuts*. This would
merely obfuscate and provide no benefit at all. This is what our
fellow traveler Frank Zammettie finds inherently suspicious about the
*OOP nuts*. This is, I am afraid, similar to some of the rather *knee
jerk* uses of CoR floating around. How does
RE: [OT] Business Layer Ideas
-Original Message- From: Simon Chappell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 June 2005 16:29 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Business Layer Ideas Good stuff Frank. Your point is a good one and well made. I just spoke at a Java User Group here in Wisconsin on a similar issue, about how most people don't need to improve their Java programming skills, rather they need to improve their programming skills! I think that pattern use falls in the same area. There are folks that use patterns religiously, thinking that they're being good programmers. All the while not realising that they're reducing themselves down to the level of a coding monkey. Patterns came from the recognition of common idioms, practices in the industry. Religously following and applying patterns could condemn you not to discovering future oversights and other intuitions. Too much of the Java code that I see is not object-oriented, it's object-obsessed. Objects defined for any small silly thing. Wrappers upon wrappers, calls to super in multiple levels of inheritance. Arrgh. It's like trying to follow the plot of one of Frank Herbert's Dune novels. (Good for novels, bad for programs though!) I wonder, if they will get over the dessert dunes onto lambda functions and tuples next? Simon Well done, Craig, with restrospect. A simpler designed framework like Struts is exactly the example, the proof, which Simon espouses above. On 6/1/05, Frank W. Zammetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, June 1, 2005 9:47 am, Dakota Jack said: This is what our fellow traveler Frank Zammettie finds inherently suspicious about the *OOP nuts*. Woah, leave me out of this. I've purposely stayed away from this thread all this time, now I have to get in... I don't want anyone thinking I'm anti-OOP or anything remotely like that. I am very much an OOP proponent. While I almost certainly have used the term OOP nuts at some point because I think some people could probably be described that way, that really sounds a lot more harsh than my opinion actually is, so let me clarify... What I have said is that I have seen many instances where people take the OOP exercise so far in trying to get a perfect architectural structure in place that they wind up writing code that is actually harder to understand than it otherwise could be. There is great benefit to writing code that is composed of smaller, largely interchangeable pieces rather than large monolithic pieces. We all know this. However, I have seen this taken so far that it takes forever to grasp how all the pieces fit together to form the larger whole, and this is just as bad as writing one larger whole would have been. Related to this, patterns are a wonderful invention, but I see day in and day out people trying to find a pattern for every single situation. People seem to think that they have to solve every problem by finding a suitable pattern. The problem is, everyone seems to be so pattern-gung-ho nowadays that they simply want to apply a pattern and if it actually makes things more complex, too bad. If it doesn't really fit the problem but does happen to solve it, that's fine too. A pattern mismatch, or a pattern where none was truly needed, is just as bad as no pattern at all in my experience. Simplicity is a beautiful thing. That is always my underlying design goal for two reasons... One, in a corporate environment as I work in, you never know when someone else is going to have to come along and maintain your code. You aren't doing them any favors by writing code that, while architecturally sound, is more complex to grasp. If after three months they say wow, this guy architected this code perfectly!, that's great, but if those three months are spent not being especially productive while they try and understand what you built, then the code wasn't well-written in the end. Two, when you jump around between many different projects, you tend to forget your own work quickly. I sometimes look at code I wrote just last year and go I don't remember how or why I did this. Fortunately I comment the hell out of everything I do, but more importantly I try to code in straight-forward ways. Sometimes that means *NOT* creating that helper class to encapsulate 10 lines of code, even though that might architecturally be better and fit some pattern, but instead just inline it (assuming I don't expect it to be shared of course). In a nuthshell, my point is absolutely *USE* OOP and patterns, and other related techniques, think in those ways all the time, but don't over-engineer things!! Don't make design decisions because you CAN do something, make them because it is the RIGHT thing to do. And don't over-complicate things for the sake of achieving some theoretical
RE: [OT] Business Layer Ideas
-Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== I should have added that Rod (Johnson) in the book cited pointedly advocates extensive use of the Strategy Pattern, see pp. 421 ff. The use of CoR in Struts 1.3 for the extensible RequestProcessor is not a feature but is a way of solving the problem created by the original use of the Template Method Pattern in that context. Had the Strategy Pattern been used in the first instance, everything would have worked better, in my opinion. In many ways, I think in the future the Template Method Pattern may be seen as an Anti-Pattern. Just to forestall flamethrowers, I want to emphasize that others probably think differently and even the majority, i.e. by definition the members ipsa facto of the meritocracy, may think differently. But, Rod Johnson is no slouch on these matters. He thinks the use of Strategy Pattern is one of the reasons [Spring] is such a flexible and extensible framework. Hello Jack It can be shown that ``Chain of Responsibility'' pattern can be metamorphed into the ``Strategy'' pattern. The first proviso is that one of your commnds becomes a catalogy factory or invoker of other generic commands itself. The second proviso is you must pass all your information back and forward the ``strategy command'' using a general context object. fyi On 5/27/05, David Whipple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an off topic post, but there seem to be a lot of people with good opinions here. I am trying to provide a framework (based on Stuts and Spring) for our company to use. I'd like to make a reinforcement of the business layer in applications. We do not use EJBs, so a lot of the patterns that are out there do not seem to apply. I have not been able to find any references I like. The goal is to encourage better program design and development by having a clear definition of what are the business objects in the program. We want to come up with a way through patterns to help programmers avoid poor programming practices. Clear separation into layers is one basic idea behind this. We want to come up with some interface to the business layer which will force programmers to know what are to be the business objects in their architecture. Does anyone have any ideas and/or know of any references for this? Thanks, Dave ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, Credit Suisse, its subsidiaries and affiliates (CS) do not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CS retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CS until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Too late to become a rock star?
-Original Message- From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Based on the talent of musicians as a whole over the past few years, I would say it's *never* too late to become a rock star. Even if one is in a nursing home, confined to a wheel chair and suffering from any number of age-related ailments, one could probably break the top 40 these days :) How did the Rolling Stone make over the last decade? One billion smackers, reportedly! Speaking as one who was in a band for a lot of years and was actually presented with a contract offer (I didn't accept it and the band broke up... best decision I ever made!), I can say I'd much rather be in the crazy world of IT. At least I can be reasonably sure I won't have to pay back thousands of dollars to my employer when my application doesn't sell as well as they expected :) I suppose you can ship tune on-line, rather than be involved with a label or publisher until you hit the big time. ==== On Thu, May 12, 2005 11:55 am, Rick Reumann said: Yea, it's not Friday. Just whining (with no cheese).. Anyone else fed up with trying to keep up with all the stuff coming out every day in this crazy IT world insert one of a million acronyms here ??? What gets me now is stuff that just doesne install. I tried to install ATI Graphics Driver last night. I guess what it didn't work with the latest kernel 2.6.11.8 that I downloaded the night before. I find I have less and less time to hang out fixing or debugging somebody else' malware. Do you know what I mean? I can't play an instrument or sing, but maybe it's not too late to become a rock star at 35? I want to join a ska band. -- Rick -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Way of reading this mailing list as a heirachy
See intermixed -Original Message- From: Mark Benussi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== My award of the week goes to Adam for this piece of information. I was just downloading some open source e-mail client but am relieved I can do this option. -Original Message- From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== I use Outlook and was wondering if there was a way of reading all these messages as a hierarchy. I sometimes miss messages on a thread I was interested in. I always thought outlook couldn't do message threads, but it can. I don't remember the option on whichever menu, but it's easy to find. Probably the View menu. It sets up the threads just like a newsgroup. If you really can't find it, perhaps your Outlook is an old version. Try in Outlook, in at least version 2000. Menu Bar - View - Current View - By Conversation Topic If you want to try something weird assuming you have a massive monitor and good eyes Menu Bar - View - Current View - Message Timeline Adam PS you should familiarise yourself with security issues in outlook as well, for instance, you should disable javascript and images in your incoming emails. ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] Struts-JSF London Networking BOF VIII / Monday / 9th MAY 2 005 @ 18:30 / Oracle City of London
WHAT: I would like to formally announce that ``The Struts-JSF London Networking'' group is holding the ninth meet-up event on Monday 9th May 2005 at Oracle office in the city of London at ``18:45'' The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 6:30-8:00 pm. Afterwords members we would all like to find an eatery for a bit to eat. WHERE: The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. Here is some relevant travel information By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street:Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has kindly been organised by Duncan Mills. AGENDA: Duncan Mills will continue with Introduction into JSF part II and Intro Shale URLS http://www.strutslondon.com http://struts.meetup.com And finally I will off to the ACCU Conference 2005 in Oxford tomorrow. http://www.accu.org/conference/ from Wednesday til Saturday Lunchtime -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] For Struts or Sports Lovers
Might have helped to have a guest login guest/guest123 -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: t t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2005 17:21 To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: [OT] For Struts or Sports Lovers If you are a struts or sports lover or both, you're welcome to take a look at www.sportslovers.net which is a yellow page of sports lovers and built based on Struts. Sorry if this post bothers you. T.T. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [SUCCESS] Struts-JSF London Networking BOF VIII / Tuesday / 15th March 2005 @ 18:45 / Oracle City of London
-Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter ==== Dear Reader, The Eighth Struts JSF London Networking /b/a BOF event took place on Tuesday, 15th March 2005 at 6:45PM ==== Duncan has offered to the slides to be downloaded from. ==== Duncan has made presentation slides available on his talk on JavaServer Faces http://www.groundside.com/tech/docs/JSF-Overview.pdf You need Acrobat 5 or better to view the PDF. Apologises if you have waiting since yesterday. http://www.groundside.com/blog/content/DuncanMills/ -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[SUCCESS] Struts-JSF London Networking BOF VIII / Tuesday / 15th March 2005 @ 18:45 / Oracle City of London
Dear Reader, The Eighth Struts JSF London Networking /b/a BOF event took place on Tuesday, 15th March 2005 at 6:45PM Duncan Mills and his gracious company, Oracle, kindly provided the venue for the night's networking event, and also supplied the nourishment: sandwiches. Duncan was due to present two topics: JavaServer Faces and Shale. (See below) I reminded the group of our identity, our history and that the networking group will continue to be informal gathering that is voluntarily. Everyone can voice an opinion, and provide intellectual comment to the proceedings. Those who participated are free to offer suggestions and feedback to improve the future networking event. I also offered the chance to other members if they would like to make a presentation themselves in the future on a hot topic. We would also be willing guinea pigs, if you were to present your innovative language, idiom, framework or concept to us, first! Here are the salient discussion points of BOF 8 Topics Discussed * Presentation on JavaServer Faces technology + Flow event architecture of JSF + Retrieving a JSF implementation from the Struts Wiki + The importance of JSF Facets + Event handling side, backing beans + JSF Components + Interaction between the JSF expression and incompabilities with the JSTL + Navigation rules and event models + How to configure your next web application to work with Faces? + Faces XML Configuration File + Brief interlude into Shale + Similarities between Struts and JSF / Shale and the differences + Demonstration of ADF components with JSF web application Duncan has offered to the slides to be downloaded from. Send feedback, suggestions to me peter dot pilgrim at csfb dot com MESSAGES: Michel, the french developer who worked in Spain, Palma Majorca, from the South of France, can you send me your email address so that I can add you to my Outlook distribution list? From: Pilgrim, Peter ===== From: Pilgrim, Peter See intermixed ==== This is just another reminder of BOF 8 Struts-JSF London Networking happening tomorrow; Tuesday, 15th March 2005 starting 6:45 PM at Oracle City of London offices. This is first meetup not at an restaurant or a public bar with some A/C Mains Power! So here is a grand `OPPORTUNITY' to bring your laptop and your Struts / Faces / J2EE problems to forum! The presentations on JSF and/or Shale, which should take upto one hour. There will be plenty of time for questions answer and group discussion. The structure is informal and everyone is encouraged to participate. Thanks again for Duncan Mills for submitting the venue again to the group. Lets make it a good one. Thanks From: Pilgrim, Peter ==== WHAT: This is just a `reminder' that ``The Struts-JSF London Networking'' group is holding the eight meet-up event next Tuesday 15th March 2005 at Oracle office in the city of London at ``18:45'' The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 7-9 pm. Afterwords members can retire to the nearby Red Lion pub for more in depth discussion ... WHERE: The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. Here is some relevant travel information By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street:Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has kindly been organised by Duncan Mills. We all appreciate this generous gift. Duncan has offered to also set up meal requirements. Normally this is geared towards buffet and/or sandwiches, but Oracle could specially request pizzas if you so desire. AGENDA: Duncan Mills will present/discuss Shale and JavaServer Faces Peter Pilgrim will present/discuss X (Something related to J2EE?) WHO: I'm back from annual vacation in France. We have just over a week to go the next BOF VIII. Has there been any issues? Some far I have the following attendees in order of email inbox times. Alan Mehio Matthew Dudbridge Charles Cordingley Jim Collins Christopher Marsh-Bourdon John Bell and of course Pete Pilgrim Duncan Mills Anymore takers? ==== Not a member? No worrys mate, it's free. Just send me an [OT] email or surfs up at http://www.strutslondon.com or http://struts.meetup.com ==== My blog lines http://jroller.com/page/peter_pilgrim -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497
RE: [ANN] Struts-JSF London Networking BOF VIII / Tuesday / 15th March 2005 @ 18:45 / Oracle City of London
From: Pilgrim, Peter See intermixed ==== This is just another reminder of BOF 8 Struts-JSF London Networking happening tomorrow; Tuesday, 15th March 2005 starting 6:45 PM at Oracle City of London offices. This is first meetup not at an restaurant or a public bar with some A/C Mains Power! So here is a grand `OPPORTUNITY' to bring your laptop and your Struts / Faces / J2EE problems to forum! The presentations on JSF and/or Shale, which should take upto one hour. There will be plenty of time for questions answer and group discussion. The structure is informal and everyone is encouraged to participate. Thanks again for Duncan Mills for submitting the venue again to the group. Lets make it a good one. Thanks From: Pilgrim, Peter ==== WHAT: This is just a `reminder' that ``The Struts-JSF London Networking'' group is holding the eight meet-up event next Tuesday 15th March 2005 at Oracle office in the city of London at ``18:45'' The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 7-9 pm. Afterwords members can retire to the nearby Red Lion pub for more in depth discussion ... WHERE: The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. Here is some relevant travel information By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street:Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has kindly been organised by Duncan Mills. We all appreciate this generous gift. Duncan has offered to also set up meal requirements. Normally this is geared towards buffet and/or sandwiches, but Oracle could specially request pizzas if you so desire. AGENDA: Duncan Mills will present/discuss Shale and JavaServer Faces Peter Pilgrim will present/discuss X (Something related to J2EE?) WHO: I'm back from annual vacation in France. We have just over a week to go the next BOF VIII. Has there been any issues? Some far I have the following attendees in order of email inbox times. Alan Mehio Matthew Dudbridge Charles Cordingley Jim Collins Christopher Marsh-Bourdon John Bell and of course Pete Pilgrim Duncan Mills Anymore takers? ==== Not a member? No worrys mate, it's free. Just send me an [OT] email or surfs up at http://www.strutslondon.com or http://struts.meetup.com PS: Food is discussed in another mail -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Eliminate Setup Actions
-Original Message- From: Ben Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2005 08:03 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Eliminate Setup Actions Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is an easy way to put information (required to populate drop down boxes using data from a db) in to the request, without having to write a setup Action for each page as is done here: http://www.reumann.net/struts/lesson2/step9.do . You could use ``DispatchAction'' and ``LookupDispatchAction'' for your multiple actions. In the some kind of ``DispatchAction'' write method to render the form `promptForm( ... )' and then another method `processForm( ... )' . hth -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Why Template Method instead of Strategy in Commons Chain?
-Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== I have no idea why Craig would say that the RequestProcessor is somehow related to the Template Method pattern. It just isn't. ==== Ithink that the request processor defines a set of method to process an arbitary HTTP request from a HTTP client and generate a HTTP response. [The template method] defines the skeleton of an algorithm in an operation, deferring some steps to subclasses. The template method fixes the names and [potentially] the order of the operations, but allows subclasses to vary those steps as needed. A sure fire description of the ``TilesRequestProcessor'' if I ever saw one. -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] Struts-JSF London Networking BOF VIII / Tuesday / 15th March 2005 @ 18:45 / Oracle City of London
-Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter ==== WHAT: This is just a `reminder' that ``The Struts-JSF London Networking'' group is holding the eight meet-up event next Tuesday 15th March 2005 at Oracle office in the city of London at ``18:45'' The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 7-9 pm. Afterwords members can retire to the nearby Red Lion pub for more in depth discussion ... WHERE: The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. Here is some relevant travel information By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street:Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has kindly been organised by Duncan Mills. We all appreciate this generous gift. Duncan has offered to also set up meal requirements. Normally this is geared towards buffet and/or sandwiches, but Oracle could specially request pizzas if you so desire. AGENDA: Duncan Mills will present/discuss Shale and JavaServer Faces Peter Pilgrim will present/discuss X (Something related to J2EE?) WHO: I'm back from annual vacation in France. We have just over a week to go the next BOF VIII. Has there been any issues? Some far I have the following attendees in order of email inbox times. Alan Mehio Matthew Dudbridge Charles Cordingley Jim Collins Christopher Marsh-Bourdon and of course Pete Pilgrim Duncan Mills Anymore takers? ==== Not a member? No worrys mate, it's free. Just send me an [OT] email or surfs up at http://www.strutslondon.com or http://struts.meetup.com PS: Food is discussed in another mail -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Struts subproject: Struts Flow
-Original Message- From: Don Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== I can see continuations as a sort of an inversion of the classic finite state machine computer algorithm (Sedgewick et al) It is all Iinteresting stuff. In essence it is still a state machine of sorts but captures a massively big state, the virtual machine execution state, instead of a smaller finite state. http://cocoon.apache.org/2.1/userdocs/flow/continuations.html What happens below the surface? Some sort of passivation and activation algorithm. Nice idea. The Apache Struts team is pleased to announce the adoption of its latest subproject, Struts Flow, a continuations-based approach to complex web workflows. Struts Flow originated at the struts.sf.net project and has been formally adopted now as a Struts subproject. Struts Flow is a port of Apache Cocoon's Control Flow to Struts to allow complex workflow, like multi-form wizards, to be easily implemented using continuations-capable Javascript and eventually Java. Today, Struts is comprised of nine subprojects: Core, Taglib, Tiles, El, Faces, Scripting, Applications, Shale, and (now) Flow. Struts Flow is different from Struts Scripting/BSF as where Scripting brings any BSF-supported scripting language to Struts Actions, Struts Flow works on redefining the traditional Model 2 state-driven workflow into simplified scripts whose execution spans multiple requests. Currently, the Rhino engine, a Javascript implementation, is used to provide continuations support, but with the maturation of Commons Javaflow - http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/javaflow/ - a Java-based continuations implementation, Java will soon be supported as well. For more information, visit the Struts Flow website at: - http://struts.apache.org/flow/index.html ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, Floor 15, 5 Canada Square, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] Struts-JSF London Networking BOF VIII / Tuesday / 15th Mar ch 2005 @ 18:45 / Oracle City of London
Dear Reader I would like to formally announce that The Eighth Struts/JSF London Networking BOF is taking place on 15th March 2005 at ``18:45'' at Oracle City of London offices. The meeting will take place in a room with Audio/Visual facilities between 7-9 pm. Afterwords members can retire to the nearby Red Lion pub for more in depth discussion ... The address is: Oracle City Of London One South Place London, England EC2M 2RB. Here is some relevant travel information By Underground: - Moorgate: Take the Moorgate East exit, turn right, one block to South Place. Bank: Take the Northern line to Moorgate. Liverpool Street:Take the Broadgate exit, turn right onto South Place Map: http://www.oracle.com/global/uk/corporate/locations/citymap.html The venue has kindly been organised by Duncan Mills. We all appreciate this generous gift. Duncan has offered to also set up meal requirements. Normally this is geared towards buffet and/or sandwiches, but Oracle could specially request pizzas if you so desire. So for those of you who can make it to BOF VIII please state your preference when you confirm your attendance (please CC duncan.mills at oracle dot com ). [ ] Sandwiches [ ] Buffet (Snicks and Snacks) [ ] Pizza Not a member? No worrys mate, it's free. Just send me an [OT] email or surfs up at http://www.strutslondon.com or http://struts.meetup.com -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] Free JSP Editor for Eclipse
-Original Message- From: e-denton Java Programmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==///== Hi, The Nitrox JSP Editor installed okay, but now it insists I convert my Tomcat Projects into Web Application Projects. That's a lot to give up to get a nice JSP editor. And, when my license expires, how would I convert the projects back into Tomcat projects--not in one easy step! Sigh. MyEclipse does not cause me any headaches, because I can associate the parts of this commercial plug-in to various constructs e.g. MyEclipse JSP editor is the default for *.jsp. I can do the same for the XML, DTD and JSF editors. If you ask me if it not easy to keep a plug-in going when the core developer (1.3) is like a moving carpet shifting magically under your paws ;-) ==== -- Peter Pilgrim == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [ANN] Struts/JSF London Networking / BOF VII / Friday 28 Jan 2005 @ 19:15 / Kettners Restuarant
-Original Message- From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am planning on turning up tommorrow and I see Duncan has RSVP'd on meetup.com - anyone else planning to come along? Niall ==== So far the list of the confirmed attendees are Charles Cordingley Christopher Marsh-Bourden Alan Mehio Duncan Mills Niall Pemberton Peter Pilgrim This is the last call up for the BOF VII at Kettners See you all later or at lunchtime ``J2SE 5.0 Update - The Roar of the Tiger!'' When: Friday January 28 2005 12:00-14:00 Where: Davinci Theatre, CBC, ground floor- SUN City Offices, 45 King William Street, London EC4. Nearest tube is Monument. - Original Message - From: Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: [ANN] Struts/JSF London Networking / BOF VII / Friday 28 Jan 2005 @ 19:15 / Kettners Restuarant The Seventh Struts/JSF London Networking BOF is taking place on 28 January 2005 at 19:15 at Kettners Restaurant in SOHO, West End, London. See all you there! 29 Romilly Street, London, W1D 5HP Telephone: 0871 223 8103 Nearest Tube: Leicester Square [3 minutes] (or Picadilly Circus [5 minutes], Tottenham Court Road [7 min] or Charing Cross [15 min ] ) http://www.london-eating.co.uk/2025.htm http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=publicpc=W1D%205HPcat=res http://travel.guardian.co.uk/restaurants/story/0,13739,1007545,00.html http://www.pizzaexpress.com/kettners/rest.htm To join up or confirm attendence send me an email off mailing list. If you want to bring a friend as well, then that fine. Just turn up at the scheduled time. Thanks in advance/. PS: BOF == Birds of a feather ===== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Struts London Networking / Seasons Greeting / BOF VII / Friday 28 Jan 2005 @ 19:15 / Planning
-Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter Struts JSF London Networking Here are the details of Sun's Presentation on 28th January 2005 at Lunchtime. = J2SE 5.0 Update - The Roar of the Tiger! When: Friday January 28 2005 12:00-14:00 Where: Davinci Theatre, CBC, ground floor- SUN City Offices, 45 King William Street, London EC4. Nearest tube is Monument. What: The latest version of Java, J2SE version 5 code named Tiger, is the biggest change to Java since its launch over nine years ago. With the focus of this release being ease of development there are many new features that developers need to be aware of. As part of the launch of J2SE 5.0 Sun's Technology Evangelism team are visiting Java User Groups around the world to spread the word on what's new and how to use it. This presentation will provide deep technical content covering the use of features like generics, metadata and the new concurrency utilities. From a deployment perspective there are many useful new features to simplify monitoring, managing and performance tuning of the Java virtual machine. Come and learn how to get the most out of these new features. To simplify the development of new Java applications the open source NetBeans developer tools now support J2SE 5.0; see demonstrations of how easy it is to use the new features. In addition to all the technical content there will be free starter CDs, T-shirts, Tiger keychains, book giveaways and even free food and drink! Who: Simon Ritter is a Java Technology Evangelist at Sun Microsystems. Simon has been in the IT business since 1984 and holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Physics from Brunel University in the U.K. Originally working in the area of UNIX development for ATT UNIX System Labs and then Novell, Simon moved to Sun in 1996. At this time he started working with Java technology and has spent time working both in Java technology development and consultancy. He now specialises in looking at emerging technologies including grid computing, Auto-ID, robotics and wearable computing. Simon and his performing Java powered Lego robots have appeared before audiences worldwide. If you would like to attend this seminar please send your name and company name, e.g. John Smith-ACME Corp, in the body of the message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the title: J2SE 5.0 Update - The Roar of the Tiger! - 28 January 2005. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jsig/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Welcome back. It's 2005. The time has nearly come for the Seventh BOF Struts London Networking. I think it is time to rename the group for 2005 to support the relevances of Faces technology. This would allow enthusiasts for standard JSF, MyFaces and Shale to join our merry band. I propose we rename the group to ``Struts JSF London Networking''. Are there any objections? Can I also start to have to some confirmations on 28 January 2005 please? BTW: Any suggestions for a venue in central London? I will set the venue by COB (Close of Business) Monday. BTW 2:There is also Java Special Interest Group meeting at lunch 12:00-14:00 at Sun's London Educational Offices, the nearest Underground tube is Bank. I believe it is about Tiget J2SE 5.0 taking place on the same day 28/01/2005 -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter ==== I am planning the seventh Birds-of-Feather Struts London Networking for Friday 28th January 2005. (NB: This is a prelimanary date, it might change next year! ) 1) The venue is not yet planned: Central London, West End, the Docklands? Any suggestions / preference let me know. 2) The agenda is not yet planned. Let me know who will / wants to definitely attend. All are welcome see http://www.strutslondon.com . If you are flying into the UK, London and want to attend email offline. ==== ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e
[ANN] Struts/JSF London Networking / BOF VII / Friday 28 Jan 2005 @ 19:15 / Kettners Restuarant
The Seventh Struts/JSF London Networking BOF is taking place on 28 January 2005 at 19:15 at Kettners Restaurant in SOHO, West End, London. See all you there! 29 Romilly Street, London, W1D 5HP Telephone: 0871 223 8103 Nearest Tube: Leicester Square [3 minutes] (or Picadilly Circus [5 minutes], Tottenham Court Road [7 min] or Charing Cross [15 min ] ) http://www.london-eating.co.uk/2025.htm http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=publicpc=W1D%205HPcat=res http://travel.guardian.co.uk/restaurants/story/0,13739,1007545,00.html http://www.pizzaexpress.com/kettners/rest.htm To join up or confirm attendence send me an email off mailing list. If you want to bring a friend as well, then that fine. Just turn up at the scheduled time. Thanks in advance/. PS: BOF == Birds of a feather -Original Message- ==== Welcome back. It's 2005. The time has nearly come for the Seventh BOF Struts London Networking. I think it is time to rename the group for 2005 to support the relevances of Faces technology. This would allow enthusiasts for standard JSF, MyFaces and Shale to join our merry band. I propose we rename the group to ``Struts JSF London Networking''. Are there any objections? ==== -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter ==== I am planning the seventh Birds-of-Feather Struts London Networking for Friday 28th January 2005. (NB: This is a prelimanary date, it might change next year! ) 1) The venue is not yet planned: Central London, West End, the Docklands? Any suggestions / preference let me know. 2) The agenda is not yet planned. Let me know who will / wants to definitely attend. All are welcome see http://www.strutslondon.com . If you are flying into the UK, London and want to attend email offline. ==== ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[GOOD] LazyDynaBean works terrific
http://www.niallp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/lazydynabean.html http://www.niallp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/lazyactionform.html Niall These `LazyDynaBean' and `LazyActionForm' classes really are fantastic. Just had a chance to crank out a simple Struts web app for a client. I copied and renamed, then edited blank.war. Built the whole thing with one JSP / one DispatchAction sending asychronously JMS messages to control the flow of an EJB application. Look no action form! -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts 1.3 Snapshots ?
-Original Message- From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:54:42 -, Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any site where one can download Struts 1.3 Daily snapshots? The usual nightly builds: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/ are compiled from the trunk of the repository, so they constitute snapshots of the ongoing 1.3 development. I just downloaded the struts-20050117.zip. In order to be useful to developers and to test them is there any JavaDoc API to go with these nightly builds? Otherwise how do you know what you are programming against? -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts 1.3 Snapshots ?
-Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ===== The source repository is under a bit of restructuring right now, we will try to get those back online ASAP. Can you use this for now? http://struts.apache.org/api/index.html I actually had a look there earlier, I was looking for classes like **/*(Chain|Command)*.java. Did not see any thing like this pattern. I wrongly assumed the javadoc was 1.2 only. In truth I descended to the src folder from the repository trunk. The ``struts-src=20050117.zip'' is about 27MB but the zip file does contain HTML JavaDoc, JAR files, TLDs, Chains configuration, various Command and Chain implementations and the source code for everything. Whether it actually executes properly is another thing! ==== - Original Message - From: Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===== -Original Message- From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:54:42 -, Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any site where one can download Struts 1.3 Daily snapshots? The usual nightly builds: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/ are compiled from the trunk of the repository, so they constitute snapshots of the ongoing 1.3 development. I just downloaded the struts-20050117.zip. In order to be useful to developers and to test them is there any JavaDoc API to go with these nightly builds? Otherwise how do you know what you are programming against? ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts 1.3 Snapshots ?
-Original Message- From: Joe Germuska [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== At 4:34 PM + 1/17/05, Pilgrim, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ===== The source repository is under a bit of restructuring right now, we will try to get those back online ASAP. Can you use this for now? http://struts.apache.org/api/index.html I actually had a look there earlier, I was looking for classes like **/*(Chain|Command)*.java. Did not see any thing like this pattern. I wrongly assumed the javadoc was 1.2 only. In truth I descended to the src folder from the repository trunk. The ``struts-src=20050117.zip'' is about 27MB but the zip file does contain HTML JavaDoc, JAR files, TLDs, Chains configuration, various Command and Chain implementations and the source code for everything. Whether it actually executes properly is another thing! I haven't yet committed any of the code I was posting about last week (I've had a drought of free time to keep working on it). Therefore, what's in CVS is essentially struts-chain merged into the core and specified as the default request processing mode, plus a few small enhancements. This code has been fairly stable for a while (independent of the merge) so I am pretty comfortable guessing that it will function as expected. Should we wait until your commtit code has been marged? Given that there hasn't been a whole lot of feedback on that code, I'm going to try to zero in on getting it committed as soon as I can go through a few more basic checks, with the belief that more people will notice any problems if it's in the repository! Note that I'm not only looking for bugs, but also critiques of a couple of design decisions, so in contrast to the last year or more of Struts development, it will be important to take to heart typical warnings about API stability, at least in these new areas. I think the daily snapshot of the binary only release should be changed to include the generated javadoc of the whole API, especially for those developers who definitely do not want to work with the source code directly. I am interesting in developing some Struts chain code because I have some requests to build database table report and browsing on-line applications. Small scale web apps, so it is an opportunity to test the ease of development and compare how we use to do it in 1.1 and against what we could do now. Also if you do deliver binaries, then javadoc writing has to be up to scratch. Most of the committers in Struts have been writing copious javadoc that is very well documented about the purpose of a class and method, and including exceptions. Thanks! When I downloaded the struts-src-20050117.zip file it had JAR binaries related to struts-faces and shale. So I am confused. Are these binaries built against the lastest sources themselves or are they themselves legacy. -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Struts 1.3 Snapshots ?
-Original Message- From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:22:16 -, Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I downloaded the struts-src-20050117.zip file it had JAR binaries related to struts-faces and shale. So I am confused. Are these binaries built against the lastest sources themselves or are they themselves legacy. The binaries of the nightly build have always been created by running ant clean dist in the core module ... whatever that thing creates is the binary distribution that is uploaded. The thing that get uploaded should contain some javadoc is all I am saying. I am not disputing the process. If it does not then it should be available as a separate download. The source distro isn't supposed to contain any JARs or Javadocs ... it should only contain the source code, and should be buildable given appropriate build.properties files of your own to point at the dependencies. I'll look at that. Just yesterday I was trying to adapt to the various changes, and it's going to take a while to work out the kinks. Yes this makes sense. As most source distribution do not contain javadoc or prebuilt jar just as old C++ code distribution do not contain shared libraries or objects . I just noticed the raw JARs in the source distribution. Keep in mind that the structure of the repository is rapidly changing at the moment, so expecting stable results with the nightly builds is not a good idea right now :-). Your best bet is to check out the current pseudo-project from SVN yourself. Thanks for the heads up. I'ill do SVN from my home office. We are not quite ready for primetime yet at banking headquarters. Ta. Peter Pilgrim Craig -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Struts London Networking / Seasons Greeting / BOF VII / Friday 28 Jan 2005 @ 19:15 / Planning
Hi Welcome back. It's 2005. The time has nearly come for the Seventh BOF Struts London Networking. I think it is time to rename the group for 2005 to support the relevances of Faces technology. This would allow enthusiasts for standard JSF, MyFaces and Shale to join our merry band. I propose we rename the group to ``Struts JSF London Networking''. Are there any objections? Can I also start to have to some confirmations on 28 January 2005 please? BTW: Any suggestions for a venue in central London? I will set the venue by COB (Close of Business) Monday. BTW 2:There is also Java Special Interest Group meeting at lunch 12:00-14:00 at Sun's London Educational Offices, the nearest Underground tube is Bank. I believe it is about Tiget J2SE 5.0 taking place on the same day 28/01/2005 -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter ==== I am planning the seventh Birds-of-Feather Struts London Networking for Friday 28th January 2005. (NB: This is a prelimanary date, it might change next year! ) 1) The venue is not yet planned: Central London, West End, the Docklands? Any suggestions / preference let me know. 2) The agenda is not yet planned. Let me know who will / wants to definitely attend. All are welcome see http://www.strutslondon.com . If you are flying into the UK, London and want to attend email offline. ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Struts 1.3 Snapshots ?
Is there any site where one can download Struts 1.3 Daily snapshots? mtia -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Struts London Networking / Seasons Greeting / BOF VII / Frid ay 28 Jan 2005 @ 19:15 / Planning
First of all Seasons Greeting to all Struts Users http://web.icq.com/shockwave/0,,4845,00.swf I am planning the seventh Birds-of-Feather Struts London Networking for Friday 28th January 2005. (NB: This is a prelimanary date, it might change next year! ) 1) The venue is not yet planned: Central London, West End, the Docklands? Any suggestions / preference let me know. 2) The agenda is not yet planned. Let me know who will / wants to definitely attend. All are welcome see http://www.strutslondon.com . If you are flying into the UK, London and want to attend email offline. I am away from the office from 20/Dec/2004 to 05/Jan/2005. When I return I will finalise (1) and (2). Until then, have a great winter festival, code J2EE, Struts, etc and ... HAPPY NEW YEAR -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Common Chain 1.0 and Struts Chain
Where does it say Common Chain is now released at V1.0 -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: Julian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 14:29 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Common Chain 1.0 and Struts Chain Hi, I was wondering if the release of Commons Chain 1.0 will enable a Best Available release of Struts with struts-chain? If not, how stable is the COR stuff in Struts? Thanks, Julian __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Common Chain 1.0 and Struts Chain
-Original Message- From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.jakarta.commons.devel/58801 - Original Message - From: Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where does it say Common Chain is now released at V1.0 -- Peter Pilgrim ==== Sugar. I looked and downloaded the thing this morning and it was still said 0.2 There's nothing like Internet time! -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Complicated Digester Rules [ RE: Common Chain 1.0 and Struts Chain ]
-Original Message- From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Also in jakarta news http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/news-2004-2ndHalf.html and its listed in the Releases section on the Commons Chain site: http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/chain/ ==== Cheers Niall The reason I downloaded the chain again, because I want to study the chain implementation. I think the Chain would make a good invocation AOP/IoC element, if you want to inject some complicated rules driven advice ... but not this thread I also wanted looked close at the Digester rules in the Chain implementation. I am not if I follow everything in it. Does any one have a HOWTO and GUIDE into writing Digester rules, config set and possibly regexp rules? I have written some Digester stuff and now I want to refactor it because there is a lot of commonality with the XML grammar (DTD) and the stuff I have now is becoming terser every version. mtia -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Struts Networking / BOF VI / Friday 10 Dec 2004 / AGENDA
Hello I will be in the area of Leicester Square for 6:30PM I think. I will be in the pub The Trafalgar? which is next door to the Odean Leicester Square and to left of the Capital Radio. If you arrive early you can meet me there before going to the restaurant. -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter Sent: 09 December 2004 14:02 To: Pilgrim, Peter; Adam Hardy (E-mail); Alan Mehio (E-mail); Alex McLintock (E-mail); Allister Sneddon (E-mail); Charles Cordingley (E-mail); Christopher Marsh-Bourdon (E-mail); Daniel Perry (E-mail); Duncan Mills (E-mail); Hue Holleran (E-mail); John Bell (E-mail); Jonathan Butler (E-mail); Marco Mistroni (E-mail); Niall Pemberton (E-mail); 'Peter Pilgrim (Xenonique)'; Suman Prashanth. S (E-mail); Thomas Plümpe (E-mail); Tim Penhey (E-mail) Cc: 'Struts User Apache (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [OT] Struts Networking / BOF VI / Friday 10 Dec 2004 / AGENDA London Struts Networking BOF VI Agenda Since it is nearly Xmas, rather than concentrate entirely on niche and very specialist topics, I want to generalise and open-up the discussions during the evening. I have put together a basic agenda of themes. Depending on the seating arrangements and who turns up I might swap seats with somebody after the starter, and then again before the desert or extra drinks to give everyone a chance to talk to everyone else. Looking forward to next year 2005 * Which technologies are going to be hot? * What was the brilliant in 2004? * What are the things that should be consigned to /dev/null forever? The State of the Struts Address [This topic probability ties into the next one.] * Struts was literally rocking in 2001. It is still doing its thang in 2004, but will it continue to glide splendidly across the dance floors in 2007? * What is the different between Jericho and Shale? Is anyone planning a project with Faces? * Jumping into bed with Struts and/or JSF? * If you have such plans we'd definitely like to hear them. Your Shout * What topics are interesting to you? Networking Website * We haven't done much with the official web site http://www.strutslondon.com/ http://www.strutslondon.com. Why not? AOB See you there! Wagamamas, Leicester Square serving great, fresh and nutritious [orientally asian derived rice/noodles] food in an elegant, yet simple environment. 14a Irving street London WC2H 7AF Tel 020 7839 2323 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529944 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529944y=180641z=0sv=WC2H+7AFst=2pc=WC2H+7AFmapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf y=180641z=0sv=WC2H+7AFst=2pc=WC2H+7AFmapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf Nearest tube Leicester square or Charing cross Friday 10th Dec 2004 @ 19:15 Peter Pilgrim -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. ==
RE: [OT] Struts Networking / BOF VI / Friday 10 Dec 2004 / AGENDA
London Struts Networking BOF VI Agenda Since it is nearly Xmas, rather than concentrate entirely on niche and very specialist topics, I want to generalise and open-up the discussions during the evening. I have put together a basic agenda of themes. Depending on the seating arrangements and who turns up I might swap seats with somebody after the starter, and then again before the desert or extra drinks to give everyone a chance to talk to everyone else. Looking forward to next year 2005 * Which technologies are going to be hot? * What was the brilliant in 2004? * What are the things that should be consigned to /dev/null forever? The State of the Struts Address [This topic probability ties into the next one.] * Struts was literally rocking in 2001. It is still doing its thang in 2004, but will it continue to glide splendidly across the dance floors in 2007? * What is the different between Jericho and Shale? Is anyone planning a project with Faces? * Jumping into bed with Struts and/or JSF? * If you have such plans we'd definitely like to hear them. Your Shout * What topics are interesting to you? Networking Website * We haven't done much with the official web site http://www.strutslondon.com/ http://www.strutslondon.com. Why not? AOB See you there! Wagamamas, Leicester Square serving great, fresh and nutritious [orientally asian derived rice/noodles] food in an elegant, yet simple environment. 14a Irving street London WC2H 7AF Tel 020 7839 2323 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529944 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529944y=180641z=0sv=WC2H+7AFst=2pc=WC2H+7AFmapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf y=180641z=0sv=WC2H+7AFst=2pc=WC2H+7AFmapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf Nearest tube Leicester square or Charing cross Friday 10th Dec 2004 @ 19:15 Peter Pilgrim -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. ==
RE: [OT]Threads and Servlets Question
-Original Message- From: Yves Sy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a follow-up question: I remember creating a thread in one of my Action classes because I needed to show a Wait while your request is being processed... page. The flow goes something like: 1. the MAIN thread returns an ActionForward right away that contains the processing page; 2. the NEW thread I created goes ahead and makes the back-end call that takes a considerable amount of time to process; 3. After NEW thread returns with the results, it sets a flag in the session that it's done with the processing; 4. Meanwhile, the processing page keeps refreshing itself and sending execution to an action which checks for the session flag set in #3; 5. When it finally finds the session flag, it forwards to the results page. Its working fine for me. No weird behavior on Weblogic or SAP WAS. Although now I'm curious: Is there a better way to approach this problem? Regards, -Yves- As others have noted JMS is one way of handling asynchronous processing. You can think of it as glorified publish and subscribe / observer and observee, since only an instruction is being passed. What you describe is one of the solutions an idiom for asynchronous processing. You solution is cool for ``indeterminates datasets' where you cant tell in advance how much data you have to query. Generalise the step 2,3,4 into this. 2. the new LONG TERM thread LT is created and the ActionForm B associated with the HttpSession (per Login account) registers its self as a Observer of LT. 3. Whilst LT is processing, every so often, it fired an notification event of the progress to the registered listener. 4. The processing page is refreshing or a Web User submits the page for a new update. The Processing Action only has to call the accessor of the ActionForm B to find out how far the LTT has process. This is the solution for `determinate dataset'. I have implemented the `determinate dataset' solution for the `eForum' component that uses `Expresso Framework'. This framework has support for `Jobs' for long term processes. I wrote a `Job' to index the forum messages using the Jakarta Lucene and it has a `IndexingProgressionBean' or something like that ... You also might want to check out the `Quartz Scheduler'. hth -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Struts Networking / BOF VI / Friday 10 Dec 2004 / 19: 15 / REMINDER
- Original Message - From: Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== The next birds-of-feather London Struts Networking meet up is taking place at Wagamamas, Leicester Square serving great, fresh and nutritious [orientally asian derived rice/noodles] food in an elegant, yet simple environment. 14a irving street London WC2H 7AF Tel 020 7839 2323 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529944y=180641z=0sv=WC2H+7AFst=2pc=WC2H+7AFmapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf Nearest tube Leicester square or Charing cross Friday 10th Dec 2004 @ 19:15 So far the following people have confirmed: Charles Cordingley, Adam Hardy, Marco Mistroni, Christopher Marsh-Bourdon, Alan Mehio, John Bell, Niall Pemberton, Peter Pilgrim People who would like to come along but cant: Hue Holleran Anyone else who 'd like to attend contact me offlist. BTW: Here is the restaurant's website: http://www.wagamama.com/ This is Flash site so you cant jump to the link choose location - central london - leicester square http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=publicdb=pclang=addr1=client=publicaddr2=advanced=addr3=pc=WC2H7AFquicksearch=WC2H+7AFcidr_client=none -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Eclips 3.01 + IBM WTP + Tomcat 5
-Original Message- From: Eddie Bush [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Has anyone successfully setup IBM WTP with Tomcat 5 under Eclipse 3.01? Every time I go to fire the server off it fails and says there was a problem in thread main. I can launch Tomcat just fine from the command prompt or as a service :-| My guess is that it's doing something wrong in trying to launch Tomcat (duh!), but I can't find a confuration parameter that's incorrect and I can't find any other handle by which to control things or even tell which end it thinks is up. Anyone experienced / solved this? ==== 0) Look under Eclipse menu Windows-Preferences , see if you can fine the tabbed pane for the plug-in that launching the application / web server. 1) What does WTP stand for? 2) Have you looked at the Sysdeo Eclipse Plug-in? This can launch Tomcat 3,4,5 fine. 3) Eclipse and Big Project are notorious for out of memory errors. Under windows XP you need configure the Shortcut for ``C:\opt\eclipse\Eclipse.exe'' and add something like `` --vmargs -Xss32m -Xmx256m '. Keep the stack size low for lots of threads, and increase the heap space as proportional to 1/3 to 1/2 of RAM on your PC (for big projects 2000 classes or more) The same advice might apply to another Java programs you launch under the control of Eclipse, ie Debugging or Running apps, JUnit tests, or launching web / app servers if they do not add configuration for their own memory requirements. -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Reset button does not clear JSP fields
-Original Message-
From: aris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Instead of a reset you could use a simple button and the
related onClick
event to call a javascript that sets all field to .
What do you think about this workaround?
Take note that it isn't an expected behaviour for a reset
button. I suggest
you to name such a button with a value different from
reset. What do you
think about wipe or erase?
Bye,
aris.
- Original Message -
From: O. Oke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:01 PM
Subject: Reset button does not clear JSP fields
Please help!
Background
==
I retrieve data from the database, copy the data into
an Action Form, the data is then automatically entered
into corresponding fields.
After viewing the data, I want the RESET button to
empty all fields whenever it is clicked. Presently,
after clicking the RESET button, all fields still have
data. I believe the fields are repopulated with the
data in the Action Form.
Does the RESET button have to forward to an Action
class that in turn replaces the relevant Action Form
in the relevant scope with an Action Form that has no
data? If not, can you please tell me the conventional
Struts way of setting all JSP fields to empty.
There is no conventional method. I recommend that you
avoid html:cancel because it is slightly confusing.
The way I did is, is assume that RESET or REVERT button
is just same behaviour to a SUBMIT button in terms of Struts
See below
Note: In the reset method of the Action form, I set
all fields to .
Thank you.
O. Oke
====
What kind of reset functionality do you need ?
1. Reset as in Clear
Clear all the input fields in a HTML Form to be blank.
2. Reset as in Revert
Change all the input fields back to their original values,
before the user edited the form.
With (1) you can write a function with JavaScript to navigate
your around the DOM for your HTML Form element. You can
make an Struts Action that clears the ActionForm for you
(the so-called going back to the server option).
With (2) you can program it with JavaScript, quick tricky
to do but not impossible. It is much easier to do this
inside server side Java. You will need to make the ActionForm
session scope. It will have to have to duplicate beans or
delegated beans inside, but if you know Commons BeanUtils
you can copy the value of one bean to another easily.
I would use delegated beans for this to implement (2) revert
class EmployeePayrollBean { ... }
class SomeDahForm extends ActionForm {
EmployeePayrollBean payroll = ... ;
EmployeePayrollBean payroll_backup = ... ;
// assume getter/setter methods exists
}
In the Action itself
class SomeTypeOfAction extends Action {
public void execute( ... ) {
if ( button.equals(REVERT) {
BeanUtils.copyProperties(
yourform.getPayroll(),
yourform.getPayrollBackup() );
// forward request back to JSP/view
}
}
}
Because of the nested properties in Struts/Commons BeanUtils/JSTL the
above shouldn't be a problem for creating a JSP.
It is trivial to take the Common BeanUtils API to write a ``GenericBean''
resetter that will reset all properties of a POJO to
either 0, 0.0F, 0.0, , null
(but be very careful list Java Collections!!!)
HTH
--
Peter Pilgrim
Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston,
10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom
Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497
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RE: talking about paradigms
-Original Message- From: Don Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Now, now, Peter, you can't quite say that since you met me at the Struts user group at JavaOne. :) I've used stxx, an XML transformation Struts extension, for a production app and have been pretty happy with it. Performance is good, as long as one has memory resources available. The stylesheets can be cached when compiled, and using a decorator tool like sitemesh, the pages your XSL generates are quite small. The big disadvantage, as I see it, is it requires XSLT knowledge, which most web developers don't have. I probably wouldn't recommend it for apps that don't have their data in XML and don't need multiple views. Don Don, it's bean so long that I cant remember all the discussions from July this year, so there you go. My apologises, because I dont remember Stxx coming up in the conversation. Yeah! I agree XSLT is a bit harder to fathom for web page designers too. The use case is multiple views, data already stored and prepared in XML i.e. XML database / report or web services. On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:59:48 -, Pilgrim, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 17:46 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: talking about paradigms Bill, Sounds like you don't need what XSLT provides. The important thing, I think, is to make sure that the framework leaves that option open for those that want it and does not require that option to those who do not want it. I am not privy to the details of your application, of course, but adding code to the controller to assist in the presentation seems to me to indicate a serious design flaw. That simply is not the business of the control layer, if you are using the control layer in an MVC pattern. Part of your bad experience with XSLT sounds like it is not related to the view issues but to some confusion in the architecture of the application? Not knowing much about the details, this is probably a harsh assessment, but it is what I would intuitively expect to find. My head keeps saying What the heck is the controller doing generating XML?. The controller should be deciding what to do about user input given whatever strategy the application has adopted. Jack On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:55:52 -0500, Bill Siggelkow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, What I found was that alot of Java code to generate XML (using DOM API) had to be added in the controller layer to facilitate the view; for example, an odd/even indicator was added just to facilitate striping on the generated HTML table; to me, this seems downright overkill for some feature that is purely presentation (granted, the developers could have avoided this through better use of XSLT). Personally, I've never warmed to the idea of using the XML/XSLT approach when the data is already in the form of a Java object; it just seems like an extra step that doesn't buy me a whole lot. -Bill Siggelkow I have never come across anyone in a face-to-face who uses the XML/XSLT approach at least with Struts. I met a straight-up Cocoon fantastic a few years ago, but by then he was moving away from XSLT to proprietary web application framework on some app server. This biggest problem of the XML is the transformation phase, and it sounds like that the original tabular XML was not augmented with attributes to say this is hint render this row in green and now render that next row with white background. Then an XSLT can be written to easily transform things around (or not as the case may be). I think XML/XSLT pipeline is useful for static stuff that mostly does not change frequently. How did you find the XSLT transformation performance on your project? Did you cache the XSLT results somewhere? ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] GMail Invite
Anyone got a spare GMAIL invite pending. I subscribed to the flaming thing a couple of months, but I forgot both my gmail username and password log. I invented some security noshbit that is unfathable or gmail admin have locked the account. (I wanted check out some javascrpt that google have invented or copied) -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: talking about paradigms
All mixed up below -Original Message- From: Rosenberg, Leon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 10:58 To: Struts Users Mailing List; Dakota Jack Subject: AW: talking about paradigms Hi Jack, I like you kind of cashing out, but I think your diagram misses some points. In fact the view-controller itself is a view on the application model, where the business logic unit (which can be a component in a co-architecture i.e. session-bean) is the appropriate controller. So a complex mvc-architecture, contains more than one controller, but a grid of smaller mvc cycles, each of them being the view on the previous controller. You are partially right talking about Webframeworks as not truly MVC, at least they do not have the possibility of callbacks from controller to view (see also subject/observer), but on the other hand, there is no need for explicit back calling opportunity issued by Gamma as he defined the MVC pattern. This why I think, we can still speak about webframeworks as MVC, keeping in mind, that they are solely client triggered. The design for web application is never not quite MVC as in the original Smalltalk definition / example, because of the limits of the HTTP / HTML protocols. Although stuff like Faces / Tapestry try there best to get around the missing update from the presentation (view) back to the controller. The classic MVC is the joystick (or input device) and model (map of a country) and several views ( GUIs anything you like such as VDUs, projectors). With the GUI programming in Swing ( and I think SWT) the controller and view are mashed together in a windows API. However you can still think of them as being separate because the windows API generates input event (mouse buttons and movement, keyboard keys) and incorporates a separate rendering pipeline (repaint this window or region of a window etc). With webapp and classic HTML development the notifications are broader than the windows API for operating system. Namely you can only have Get me a next web page and Render a new page. Hence the multitude of solutions out there to make the notification more narrow, or fine-grain, from JSF, to MM Flex, to JDNC. I unable, personally, to see the landscape changing unless the underlying protocol HTTP is revisited by W3C. Maybe a universal standard will come along that will say Fire event for this abstract webpage input and a corresponding notification Please just (re-)render for this abstract web component with the content I am sending you now. Yeap with baited breathe ... ==== -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 15. November 2004 20:46 An: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: talking about paradigms The whole discussion about MVC and web frameworks is important, I think, because not many cash it out when to do so (cash it out) would be helpful for discussion. We might try some way of refering to this such as WEBMVC. Anyway, the MVC pattern, taken literally, is impossible in a web framework. What is possible is something like the following where the arrows indicate where there is a coupling: View == Controller == Model Here the Model and the View are completely decoupled. But, even this is almost a total representation of what is really going on. What is really going on is that the response object is ultimately HTML and that the JSP pages are part of creating the response object, so that JSP pages inherently provide a smart-serverside View. This all is not simple to cash out. I have a sample beginning of cashing this out at http://131.191.32.112:8080/ , which, if others want to provide alternative way of viewing this I will show them all. The most important thing, I think, is to distinguish between the View data and the Model data. That is the distinction, I think, that Craig makes in JSTL between iteration and sql statements in JSP. Jack -- You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep. ==== -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)207-883-4497 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL
RE: talking about paradigms
-Original Message- From: Dakota Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 November 2004 17:46 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: talking about paradigms Bill, Sounds like you don't need what XSLT provides. The important thing, I think, is to make sure that the framework leaves that option open for those that want it and does not require that option to those who do not want it. I am not privy to the details of your application, of course, but adding code to the controller to assist in the presentation seems to me to indicate a serious design flaw. That simply is not the business of the control layer, if you are using the control layer in an MVC pattern. Part of your bad experience with XSLT sounds like it is not related to the view issues but to some confusion in the architecture of the application? Not knowing much about the details, this is probably a harsh assessment, but it is what I would intuitively expect to find. My head keeps saying What the heck is the controller doing generating XML?. The controller should be deciding what to do about user input given whatever strategy the application has adopted. Jack On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:55:52 -0500, Bill Siggelkow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, What I found was that alot of Java code to generate XML (using DOM API) had to be added in the controller layer to facilitate the view; for example, an odd/even indicator was added just to facilitate striping on the generated HTML table; to me, this seems downright overkill for some feature that is purely presentation (granted, the developers could have avoided this through better use of XSLT). Personally, I've never warmed to the idea of using the XML/XSLT approach when the data is already in the form of a Java object; it just seems like an extra step that doesn't buy me a whole lot. -Bill Siggelkow I have never come across anyone in a face-to-face who uses the XML/XSLT approach at least with Struts. I met a straight-up Cocoon fantastic a few years ago, but by then he was moving away from XSLT to proprietary web application framework on some app server. This biggest problem of the XML is the transformation phase, and it sounds like that the original tabular XML was not augmented with attributes to say this is hint render this row in green and now render that next row with white background. Then an XSLT can be written to easily transform things around (or not as the case may be). I think XML/XSLT pipeline is useful for static stuff that mostly does not change frequently. How did you find the XSLT transformation performance on your project? Did you cache the XSLT results somewhere? Dakota Jack wrote: Yet, Bill, that is not the problem of the XML/XSLT model, is it? That model is really cool in separating the model from the view. Indeed, that model is great at separating the view data from the view presentation. I am not sure what the app you worked on did, but I think the idea behind the XML/XSLT model is terrific. Essentially, as I undestand it, the XML is sent and is in some language that the client may or may not understand. So, the XSLT contains a crash course in the language. That is way cool from my perspective. Jack P.S. I really liked Eddie Bush's Jedi Knight take on development. That is quite true in my experience. Usually these metaphors break down pretty fast. That one held up pretty good. Probably due to the master Campbell being behind the mythology of Star Wars. On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:43:19 -0500, Bill Siggelkow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I haven't been following this thread, but I tend to agree with you. I worked on an app that used XML/XSLT to achieve purity -- and what resulted was a lot of this view helper data coded into the pure XML document; defeating the premise behind separation of the model and view. -Bill Siggelkow Daniel Perry wrote: I think the idea that MVC architecture should have a 'dumb view' is totally wrong. The view should be as smart as possible. MVC should separate the M, V and C. With a really smart view you dont have to do any preparation for the view in the controller. If you have a dumb view then you have to prepare the data in the model/controller so that the view can cope with it. Surely this is wrong as you are doing view processing outside of the view. Personally i think ALL view processing should be done in the view: the view code (be it jsps, java, xml/xsl, etc) should take model data, and produce a view of that data - and it should be flexible. The problem with a smarter (or better worded: more capable) view is that people start doing things in the view which shouldnt be done there, such as database access. I dont think this is down to a problem with the view technology, just a
[OT] RE: Struts Networking BOF V Summary Report please amend V OROOID
See my intermixed comments below -Original Message- From: Alan Mehio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 November 2004 10:25 To: Pilgrim, Peter Subject: Struts Networking BOF III Summary Report please amend The fifth BOF was just a meeting I slotted into the November hole. It seems that it was too soon for many people after the last one (22/10/2004) so I have learnt from that. The next BOF will be on the Friday 10th December 2004, almost one month exactly, and then the next BOF VII will be probably in late January sometime. At the moment, for the Xmas BOF I have decided to try out Wagamamas in Leicester Square. We can probably go for a beer before and/or afterwards. So if you have a different suggestion for a restaurant, NOW IS THE TIME TO SHOUT, SHOUT and let it all out. Sorry been gripped by Tears 4 Fears just for a moment, there. The meeting was very technical and the focus was explaining different patterns and why we use them. Ref: http://home.earthlink.net/~huston2/dp/patterns.html http://home.earthlink.net/~huston2/dp/patterns.html Factory 1- Concerning the Factory pattern, we use it to hide and centralize the object creation 2- To create different object based on some flag parameter 3- Flexibility to change the classes in the factory without touching affecting the code 4- Can be exteranlize in an xml file using JNDI to create different object 5- For example the creation of the mail session below. !-- Mail Session -- Resource name=mail/Session auth=Container type=javax.mail.Session/ ResourceParams name=mail/Session parameter namefactory/name valueorg.apache.naming.factory.MailSessionFactory/value /parameter parameter namemail.smtp.host/name value%SMTP_SERVER%/value /parameter /ResourceParams +1 The factory, I believe, is used to decouple the construction of the object instance if the type is not known in advance. So you can say that it hides creation, but even better to say the factory virualises it. We gave example about creating a wall in construction industry. Imaging you have a factory to create a walls for you and to ship the wall to the construction site to be assembled. If you have on site wall construction, it will be spread on each floor of the building; as a result, if you want to change the type of wall from concrete into bricks, you should walk through each floor and make your changes. If you have a factory, you hide your internal creation and centralize it. In the factory, you can change the type of wall without any effort only you make a switch in your internal process. Abstract Factory The purpose of the Abstract Factory is to provide an interface for creating families of related objects, without specifying concrete classes Builder focuses on constructing a complex object step by step [GOF, p126] Abstract Factory emphasizes a family of product objects [GOF, p105] My mind went completely blank at the meeting. I remember what the AbstractFactory really is. The best implementation of it is obvious the Swing JFC classes, namely the pluggable look-and-feel for Metal, Windows, Motif and Organic. If anyone with JDNC experience wants to chime in here, be my guess. Often, designs start out using Factory Method (less complicated, more customizable, subclasses proliferate) and evolve toward Abstract Factory, Prototype, or Builder (more flexible, more complex) as the designer discovers where more flexibility is needed. [GOF, p136] If we take a factory to construct a wall or a geometric shape, we define the frame work for construction; for example, the wall: height, width, depth, location etc.. And we leave the wall's material to the implementer class. So the material is an abstract method. Peter can you give the example of the Geometric shape factory Tim P will probably know this from his C++ programming. The best examples I ever saw were in Jim Coplien's Advanced C++. Basically any book or paper of about OO GUI toolkit such as Swing, AWT, SWT or even ancient OSF Motif and Xt will reveal these patterns. We will have a factory which build the real wall like: concrete, glass, bricks, plastic, etc.. ; concerning the Geometric shape, we have a factory to build circle, line, square, 3 d shape, etc.. Why we use the Abstract factory, it is simple since we do not know what we want exactly to build and we only know the general idea like Geomertic shapes, Walls so it will work like a guide lines to produce Shapes and Walls without any specific implementation details. Visitor ( Behaviour Pattern) Problem: Many distinct and unrelated operations need to be performed on node objects in a heterogeneous aggregate structure. You want to avoid polluting the node classes with these operations. And, you don't want to have to query
RE: [OT] BOF V / Coffee Shop / Starbucks / Oxford Street / Monday 8 Nov 2004 19:00
Okay that does it for me. ;-) We will make the Xmas BOF on a Friday 10th December 2004 @19:30, then. I got my heart set on Wagamammas just off Leicester Square, there abouts on Charing Cross Road. So unless there are some objections ... www.strutslondon.com -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)207 883 4447 -Original Message- From: Marco Mistroni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2004 11:09 To: 'Pilgrim, Peter'; 'Alan Mehio (E-mail)'; 'Alex McLintock (E-mail)'; 'Allister Sneddon (E-mail)'; 'Charles Cordingley (E-mail)'; 'Christopher Marsh-Bourdon (E-mail)'; 'Daniel Perry (E-mail)'; 'Duncan Mills (E-mail)'; 'Hue Holleran (E-mail)'; 'John Bell (E-mail)'; 'Jonathan Butler (E-mail)'; 'Niall Pemberton (E-mail)'; 'Peter Pilgrim (Xenonique)'; 'Suman Prashanth. S (E-mail)'; 'Thomas Plümpe (E-mail)'; 'Tim Penhey (E-mail)' Cc: 'Struts User Apache (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [OT] BOF V / Coffee Shop / Starbucks / Oxford Street / Monday 8 Nov 2004 19:00 Hi guys, Apologize..can't make it... and don't wanna force 'whole group' to make it on a Friday... I will however appreciate if someone can posts the content of the discussion.. With best regards marco -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2004 10:54 To: Alan Mehio (E-mail); Alex McLintock (E-mail); Allister Sneddon (E-mail); Charles Cordingley (E-mail); Christopher Marsh-Bourdon (E-mail); Daniel Perry (E-mail); Duncan Mills (E-mail); Hue Holleran (E-mail); John Bell (E-mail); Jonathan Butler (E-mail); Marco Mistroni (E-mail); Niall Pemberton (E-mail); Peter Pilgrim (Xenonique); Pilgrim, Peter; Suman Prashanth. S (E-mail); Thomas Plümpe (E-mail); Tim Penhey (E-mail) Cc: Struts User Apache (E-mail) Subject: [OT] BOF V / Coffee Shop / Starbucks / Oxford Street / Monday 8 Nov 2004 19:00 Ok I am setting a preliminary date for BOF V for Monday 8th November 2004 @ 19:30. This will take place at the Starbucks Coffee shop on New Oxford Street. Anyway it is 150 yards from the Tottenham Court Road tube. The shop stays open until to 10PM Monday-Thursdays. StarBucks New Oxford Street WC1 112/116 New Oxford Street London, England WC1A 1HH http://starbucks.co.uk/en-GB/_Our+Stores/_Store+Locator/StoreL ocatorMap. htm?a=1StoreKey=25147IC_O=51.5159402487287%3a-0.135845058773 215%3a32%3 aOxford+StGAD1_O=GAD2_O=Oxford+StGAD3_O=London+W1D+1GAD4_O =United+Ki ngdomRadius=5CountryID=242DataSource=MapPoint.EUDistanceUn it=Kilomet er Or here http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=529894Y=181411A=YZ=1 I am doing this because there was no agenda at the last BOF. Some of the feedback I have had so far includes a wishlist to discuss other open source projects. e.g. Jakarta Commons / Using MySQL / Postgres SQL / Setting up Validator. So obviously this style is a little bit more formal and discussive than the other BOFs. So let's talk for a hour about about Design Patterns and Practical User Experiences for BOF V. ( Hint: obviously the Chain of Responsibility and its implementation in Commons Chain / Struts Chain are quite relevant here.) Those of you who want slip off the pub for a tipple afterwards can do so, because the The Moon Underwater is a 5 minutes walk around the corner, from Tottenham Court Road tube, down Charing Cross Road. I am still in the process of organising BOF VI for Xmas / December preliminary date for that one is either [ ] Monday 6th December [ ] Friday 10th December The venue is either going to be a [ ] Pub [ ] Restaurant (any suggestions Pizzaland, Wagamamas in Leicester Square) I wont try agenda-rise the Xmas BOF because of the spirit and festivities that are going to take place by then, but if any one has a hot topic that they really want to discuss then you know who to call ... mtia -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)207 883 4447 == == == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == == == == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received
RE: [OT] Struts Networking / BOF IV / Friday / October 22 @ 19: 3 0 / Restaurant / The Furnace
Hi Please see intermixed -Original Message- From: Pilgrim, Peter Hi The reservation for the BOF IV at The Furnace has been confirmed yesterday. The following people are attending so far: Peter Pilgrim Alan Mehio Christopher Marsh-Bourdon Thomas Pluempe Tim Penhey Charles Cordingley Marco Mistroni ( Niall Pemberton - always has arrived later ) If you want to also __definitely__ attend then please contact me off-list ASAP. I added two more people who confirmed Niall Pemberton Allister Sneddon Here are the reservations details agains: During the last BOF III on the 13th September, Tim and Ali suggested that a nice Italian Pizzeria in and around Old Street, The Furnace. I am thinking this would be a very good idea for the next BOF night on a Friday, because it would avoid neatly the pub weekend madness. We will get a decent chance to speak to eachother inside a restuarant. (24) The Furnace 1 Rufus Street London n1 6pe t - 020 7613 0598 Italian restaurant serving to notch pizzas, pastas and seafood. http://www.shoreditchmap.co.uk/venu_eati.html#F Here is the online map from Streetmap UK http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=533222y=182647z=0sv=n1+6pest=2pc=n1+6pemapp=newmap.srfsearchp=newsearch.srf There is a web site dedicated to Struts Networking London www.strutslondon.com Thanks for listening -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)207 883 4447 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: [FRIDAY] RE: Arzttermin
-Original Message- From: Christoph Kutzinski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 October 2004 08:31 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Arzttermin Markus Heck wrote: Hallo Andreas, ich hab um 9:50 Uhr einen Arzttermin; ich meld mich dann noch mal und sag Bescheid, wann und ob ich heute noch komme. Na Ja! Da tut mir auch leid, aber es ist bei mir egal ob Du kommst or nicht kommst. Zu MAP: Dein Programm hab ich gestern noch getestet (mit einer Schleife über alle Sätze aus vip_products), ich hab noch eine Änderung eingebaut, dann war's korrekt. Programm steht unter h:\orawork\map\stringpattern3.sql Warum ist mein Programm immer gar nichts angetestet. Ich bitte ein Bit. zu Excel-Reports: Da hab ich gestern das mit dem Password gemacht, hab das aber nur einmal kurz in der Entwicklung getestet. Da stehen die aktuellen Sourcen unter h:\work\java\article\reports\src...\servlet (3 neue Servlets). Falls Ihr eine Übergabe machen müßt. Na das Quelle steht under den Verzeichniss H:\dem\naechste\galaxy\oder\winkel für Stefan zu Kostenlieferanten (hab weder Telefonnummer noch Emailadresse): Die Patche, ich meine *9320 und *9360 stehen im Project-Verzeichnis und sind bis auf die Änderungen vom Torsten vollständig. Die müssen nur in PVCS eingecheckt werden und können hochgeschickt werden. Warum benutzen Sie, die Gruppen, solche beschiessenden software als PCVS. Haben Sie nicht nocht ClearCase gehoren? Grussen Toersten an Damit Du noch an meine Sachen rankommst, mein Password (alles kleingeschrieben): Stadt, wo ich letzte Woche war mit angehängter vierstelliger Jahreszahl. LOL Verwirrendend laecherlich! Well that is the extent of my spoken and written German, which I have forgetten in the past decade. So I guess it is quite crap now. -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)207 883 4447 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] ANN: Bridgetown IoC 0.80B-53
-Original Message- From: Matt Bathje [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ==== Anyways, this is the way I see it: You can talk all you want, and malign struts and its developers all you want, but until you start implementing what you want, nothing will happen. Matt LOL but very well said ... ==== Ok I ill just make this announcement a quickie, then ``Bridgetown'' concentrates on just being a ``Inversion of Control'' framework for now and provides a service oriented architecture through ``Service Beans'' configuration. VERSION INFO The current version is 0.8-B53. (*) AOP Service Assembler default implementation (*) Pointcut and Joinpoint XML configuration (*) Convenience advice classes for method interceptor (*) Method injection (*) Constructor injection The project page for Bridgetown can be found at http://sourceforge.net/projects/bridgetown There is also a web site dedicated to the project http://bridgetown.sourceforge.net/ That's all she wrote ... Enjoy -- Peter Pilgrim Operations/IT - Credit Suisse First Boston, 10 South Colonnade, London E14 4QJ, United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)207 883 4447 == This message is for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you received this message in error please delete it and notify us. If this message was misdirected, CSFB does not waive any confidentiality or privilege. CSFB retains and monitors electronic communications sent through its network. Instructions transmitted over this system are not binding on CSFB until they are confirmed by us. Message transmission is not guaranteed to be secure. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
