Help us please ! the James-user list is being swamped with the same message
over and over.
Who is the moderator?
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From: Charles Benett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 10:20 AM
To: Jakarta
Subject: Controlling email misuse
How do we get
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Pete wrote:
I am not sure this is true - at least in the US and Australian law.
This was told me by a lawyer over here:
In Scotland, the authors of open source and public domain software
could be
liable where there is no printed licence
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I expect the list to behave the way it does ..
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From: Peter Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Reply-to munging
On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:36,
I've followed this thread with interest, I have to say that I think the move
to open source for a product has to be independant of any other action.
If you aren't commited to releasing your product under an open source
licence without the support of Apache it does seem suspicious.
If your OS
scripting
on 11/20/01 7:43 AM, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
filter everything for public consumption its safest, its not
just SCRIPT
you have to watch out for its also pernicious things like P
onMouseOver=foo(); which may not work often, but you don't want it to
*ever*, and who
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Part of the problem with this security hole is that, for some
reason, it is
hard for a lot of people to even get a basic comprehension of it (even
though it is so well documented). I think that is why a lot of people
Craig wrote:
I don't know of any generic solutions to the getStrippedHtml() or
removeScriptTag() methods you propose - but are they still necesary if you
do the getEscapedHtml() processing on everything?
from my experience no would be the answer.
furthermore simply removing script tags only
Ok, you're right!
d.
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 5:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cross site scripting
on 11/21/01 4:09 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/21/01 6:59 AM, Danny
for a small API to help her/him do the
dull hard work. (which I'm right behind)
d.
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From: Danny Angus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 6:57 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: RE: Cross site scripting
Ok, you're right!
d
Don't bother despairing about microsoft, bask in the smug feeling that your
on the side of Right, and you've planted your banner on the moral high
ground. ;-)
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From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aside : does Sun use deviation from coding standards as an actionable HR
issue? ;)
On your resume, I see that you were terminated for cause at Sun?
Yes, I created too many classes with the opening brace on a separate
line...
I don't know about sun, but we would certainly warn employees
Ceci wrote:
The inability of the PMC to take initiative stems from the Apache
voting process
snip
The current system snip is inappropriate for managing large projects
like
Jakarta.
snip
I agree with this, I've only been a commiter since the end of last summer,
and have been surprised
If Jakarta != java and/or Jakarta != server, (which appeared on this list a
few days ago, but I cant find the original mail)
then the mission statement is at odds with the project, which must at best
create bad karma and at worst it broadcasts a misleading message about the
project to the whole
Not necessarily true, I've worked on applications where a servers ability to
dynamically create M$ documents is a cool feature, imagine a servelet which
returned an xls workbook reporting on data from an ODBC datasource (maybe
sales figures or contact details), people in M$ centered offices lap
Hi,
I like the table of descriptions, but have a patch for James' description ..
cvs -z9 diff -u index.xml
Index: index.xml
===
RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.18
diff -u -r1.18 index.xml
] project descriptions index.xml
OK, I'll probably be in there anyway tonight.
Though, as Release Manager for James 2.0, I imagine you'll be getting
your feet wet soon enough :)
-Ted.
Danny Angus wrote:
Thanks, I may have, I didn't try, and I'm not ready to update
the site in
case I
Don't tempt fate jon, I've made grown sysadmins weep in their cocoa before
now.. ;-)
d.
It isn't that hard and you can't screw up jakarta-site2 that easily
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Oh good news I like Putty.
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From: Andy Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 January 2002 23:26
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Updating the site
I've updated this page
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsonwin32.html
to reflect the fact that PuTTY, a free /
I'm not sure what to make of this discussion, except this, why would anyone
expect a loose OS project like jakarta to be well organised, methodical and
fair?
Life's not fair, and bearing in mind that everyone involved has to do
something else to earn a crust and spare time when they can for
I think the best thing to do would be to have a standalone calendar
backend, communicating with James as transport,
As a James commiter I can see this as being a sensible route, James exposes
the Mailet API which would provide hooks into the mail system for icalendar,
or indeed any other
Hi,
I'm about to release James 2.0a2, and I'd like it to appear in news so two
questions ..
1/ please can I have karma for jakarta-site2, Or would posting a Patch be
quicker?
2/ if I add it to news xdoc do I also have to add it to index under
headlines, and.. if I do that do I knock off the
Hi,
What would we need to do to get Jakarta mirrored alongside httpd, mod_perl
etc.
I've been setting up a few servers and ftp would be a real bonus.
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Hi,
I was wondering how (if?) other projects (than james) manage automated
nightly builds. I have a server that could do the checkout,building and
upload.
Does anyone have a shell script, ant script, or cron job I could rip-off?
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However, if there were
sufficient items of interest
Isn't two distinct spaces, one of which can serve alcohol enough? ;-)
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Pier (for free? Where's that nice scottish spirit of yours! :)
Oi! we're listening ;-)
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Pier wrote:
That's why I wouldn't be that comfortable with a Why GPL sucks page...
Political propaganda? Looks really like it... And IMO that's not
what we're
here to do... We're here to write software...
+1 IMO The licence is there to empower us, its not a product, its a
by-product of the
Ceki are you sure?
I think we definitely need a solid document countering the
idyllic but false world depicted
by the FSF.
I agree with comments you have made already, about the importance of licence
and legal to ASF, Jakarta, and individuals involved, but I'm still not
convinced that
you have the option of following the terms and conditions
either of that version or of any later version published by the Free
Software Foundation. If the Library does not specify a license version
number, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software
Foundation.
Sounds
Ceki,
My own personal experience indicates that if you first seek consesus
before acting, you are likely to never get anywhere. Regards, Ceki
Point taken, however in this case surely some degree of peer approval needs
to be gained before people publicly express views as the views of the
Or.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. leave those notes you're not sure if
anyone reads or not.
-Original Message-
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:53 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: news@jakarta
On 3/7/02 4:48 PM, [EMAIL
We could organise our own.. but where? I'm sure I could cope with a w/e in
Paris in the Springtime :-)
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From: GOMEZ Henri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:19 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: RE: JakartaOne
Any luck that a JakartaOne
The last point is the only real problem IMHO. Basically, it forbids to
export software in free world ennemy countries TM. I don't know
if making
somone from such a country able to download software from a
website could be
considered software exportation, but considering the technical
please read this
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idiot.html
and read this again..
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html
Particularly the section titled Do not cross post messages
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From: nomorems [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 March 2002 14:28
To: [EMAIL
Hi all,
It feels like Philipp has a downer on javadocs, perhaps he should contribute
docs to those projects he feels are inadequate rather than just criticising,
how many offers of documention contributions do the various projects receive
compared to actual submissions?
It also reads as a pretty
Give me a two-line lowdown of
what the stuff is, so that I can decide whether it is worth clicking on
for my own part. Jakarta's cryptic names doesn't exactly say much, do
they?
Try and look at the front page for, admittedly a one liner, but one
without subjective overtones, which doesn't
Ted,
I don't want to have an argument, and I'm not criticising Philipp for
offering, nor for the effort he obviously put in.
I do have some reservations with this particular page, which I'm not going
to raise again, if anyones interested they've already read them.
I would like to take you up on
Hi,
I'll try not to keep banging on about this, I know its not that important in
the great scheme of Why We Are Here :-)
but ..
Yes, that is the Commit Then Review philosophy. You cannot
prevent anyone
from initially committing anything, but one it has been committed you can
vote it down.
Morgan,
Your point about trust is well made, I think that its is the straw I was
grasping for!
I seem to have temporarily overlooked the fact that this whole edifice is
glued together by trust already, and to not have a more explicit mechanism
regarding the website made me neglect that..
d.
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Andy,
Another good point, I do seem to have taken a robustly negative view of all
this. Perhaps too much so.
d.
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From: acoliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
-- I see a need for more integration documentation and top-down
documentation.
Jakarta isnt heirarchical, at all, and is in fact grossly federal, with
member projects able to petition to join, cecede, be expelled. There
I can verify this point;
It is my understanding that huge corporations like banks (especially in
france - they have trouble coming to BEA) will always come close
to IBM due
to their long time partnership
snip
JBoss would be into these corporations tomorrow, then they will face a
problem
Pete Donald wrote:
Anyways if there is a demand for this I can get it into the
ant1.5 codebase
earlier.
I think what there ought to be a demand for is a Jakarta wide code of practice for
declaring versions and dependancies, even if its only in documentation. I guess this
just adds a
+1 We have to be Pro Choice. For better or worse its part of the way things are done.
If there is to be one logging API it will emerge with least pain through natural
wasteage.
Abbot of Citeaux, leading the 13th Century crusade against the Albigensians thundered:
“Kill them all, God will know
Morning,
I wrote:
I'm not qualified to put forward any suggestions
Sam replied:
I respectfully disagree.
Thanks Sam, I'll now bore you with my own opinion, and see if you change
your mind.. ;-)
I believe that there are two conflicting forces at work within Jakarta
regarding cross
So where does that leave us?
Do you (Pete) believe that the work you're going to put into Ant2 and java versioning
can address this satisfactorily in a generic way?
What participation would it require from sub-projects wanting to adopt it?
Should, perhaps, Jakarta be using our hard fought
There was a discussion about an enterprise distribution of jakarta and
other open-source java technologies some time back on this list that
resulted in starting oed project on SourceForge [which is pretty much
dead at the moment :-( ].
Which may suggest that there's more to solving this
Now that you can (well, soon) legally implement JSR47's, you
might was well
support their interfaces and semantics, and then 'embrace and
extend'. Just
do the JSR47 stuff better :)
Could Log4J now become an RI of JSR47 ? (I'm still not completely clear
about all this..)
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It would be a real shame for the lack of an total automated
solution to lead
to the lack of a simple manual solution. If administrators can manually
check the explicit version of a JAR, rather than comparing
sizes/datestamps,
that would be a major improvement over today. Correctly version
Hi,
(if this is getting too OT tell me to sling my hook)
I just printed and read the jdk 1.3 optional packages versioning document
(again) then found this ..
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/docs/guide/plugin/developer_guide/extensions.ht
ml the section on Java Extensions Installation made
Can anyone compare/contrast features between this and Torque?
That animated diagram! Torque has nothing like this.
The price.
Torque is Open Source, and can therefore be successfully adapted to suit the
bizzare pecadilos of any organisation.
From the site I can't see very much difference
did anyone else get this sponsored link on the google jakarta results
page?
Jakarta - Are your business web sites and J2EE applications Unbreakable?
www.oracle.com
FREE Oracle High Availability Middleware Strategy Guide!
Looks like someone is trying to poach our
Jon said:
On top of it, in *years*, no one has gone and replaced Jakarta-site2 with
anything better. Sure, Craig did a XSLT stylesheet, but no one changed the
main Jakarta site to use it and I still see new Anakia sites on
Sourceforget.net all the time.
Which, I believe, highlights a major
Sometimes lists are where the activity is, commits alone don't credit the
essential design and planning effort put in by users commiters and
non-commiters that shapes the product and maps its progress.
d.
This makes me think of all the projects on SourceForge that shoot up
high into the
But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects
Well you should be.
They're all great, and we're all great guys.
d.
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11:01:34 Request from 192.168.0.3 for MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.
11:01:34 Sending request to ns.hyperreal.org. (209.133.83.22) for
MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.
11:01:34 Reply from 209.133.83.22 about MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.:
11:01:34 - Answer: No Matching Records
Oh, ok.
I thought that trying the A record was a last-ditch attempt once every means
of getting an MX record had failed.
d.
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From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 14 May 2002 13:55
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: is DNS ok?
Danny Angus
there is a link in the text at the bottom of the front page..
http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html
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From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 May 2002 15:28
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take
I'm sorry, but I believe that any time a new committer is made,
we _need_ to
put some thought in what we're giving away, we're not just letting a guy
commit to our CVS server...
+1
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+0
I like this, I think it is needed, as it should help to extend the
experience and knowledge of the community by acknowledging the services of
non-coders.
I believe, though, that as sub-projects grow we will eventually need to
address the issue of scope, but in the meantime this would be an
Any thoughts on the best way to achieve this smoothly :-) ?
I'm really in favour of this, its high time.
I suggest that the PMC announce and make the site structure changes, say two weeks
apart, with lazy concensus of the subprojects.
Then only real showstoppers will hold it back, it
Please could someone with Karma apply the patch below to update binindex and
srcindex to reflect new James release version number, for xdocs and HTML.
TIA.
d.
cvs -z9 diff -u docs/site/binindex.html docs/site/sourceindex.html
xdocs/site/binindex.xml xdocs/site/sourceindex.xml
Index:
I don't think everyone on here is on
the announcements list.
Did you ever suppose it might be because we don't want to receive the mail?
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Is there some reason why you can't apply the patch yourself (or request
commit access)?
No Karma, and I asked a while a go but got not. :-(
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:-D ta!
There you go :-) You should be able to commit to jakarta-site-2
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I just tried cvs up,
got this:
cvs server: Updating site/pmc
The authenticity of host '63.251.56.143 (63.251.56.143)' can't be
established.
RSA1 key fingerprint is 31:ea:4d:c6:0e:c7:c1:c0:1c:f1:6e:58:c3:b1:cd:4a.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
Warning: Permanently
forget it, my changes came through anyway..
d.
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From: Danny Angus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 May 2002 19:13
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: funny business with jakarta-site2
I just tried cvs up,
got this:
cvs server: Updating site/pmc
Its clever, what looks like the M$ logo rising up out of what looks like the
Java cup.
I can see why people would vote for it, it actually manages to convey some
relevant meaning.
IMHO Reach for your lawyer.
Or get the contributor to change it to a spreadsheet steaming out instead.
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To free India, MANY other people, the real heros of India, not Gandi,
fought and lost their lives. Gandi is just the one that the British want
us the remember. Because Gandi refused to fight, India now has its
greatest enemy right on its border (Pakistan). Had Gandi not been there,
India
cvs up -d
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From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 July 2002 13:34
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002
I add a /news directory and the first edition to the site2 CVS. So on
the website this would be under
Ellis Teer wrote:
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13494
IMHO the trouble with OS hardware of any kind is that the so called source
is not the whole essential pre-requisite for the product, it is merely the
build documentation, whereas for OS software the source is in fact the
If there are objections then you can
assure youself a lawsuit by going forward with it
Although what they will probably do is serve you with a cease and desist
warning if they don't like it.
anecdote
narrative
I wrote some WML validation scripts for Macromedia Dreamweaver ages ago, and
named
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html
Amazing what a symlink can do.
:D :D
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I'm 30 miles sw of Glasgow, there's another guy in Scotland, and about a
dozen (if that) all together in the UK AFAIK.
d.
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From: Alex McLintock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 19 July 2002 07:59
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Know each other
At 12:14
So, how come the
commercial software can still compete with open source products.
IMHO its because on the whole OpenSource contributors are not doing it to compete with
commercial software, in fact many of us do this to provide an alternative to the daily
pressures, restrictive working
Pier,
Well, what happened was that although the Solaris kernel had still the
modules for the disk array in memory, well, those were not
available anymore
on the disk, and therefore, major pain at the next reboot...
I think we'd be lying if any of us said we'd never done something similar,
Suribaba,
Do you have any intention that have official sites in other
languages
for the purpose of activating the project around the world more?
The way things work round here is that people do the things they want to do, no-one
can make anyone volunteer.
The James project is happy to link
my AOL browser
YUK!
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Vincent Massol once wrote:
I was curious to know who the other committers where, whether they shared
the same beliefs I have, etc.
This prompted me to wonder:
1/ are we..
a)male
b)female
c)decline to answer
2/are we
a) young
b) 20-30
c) 30-40
d) 40-50
d) old
3/about English
a)its my native
-m and -c come before -a and -l..
Usage: cvs history [-report] [-flags] [-options args] [files...]
Reports:
-T Produce report on all TAGs
-c Committed (Modified) files
-o Checked out modules
-m module Look for
Sent: 17 November 2002 13:24
To: Danny Angus
Cc: Mark Matthews
Subject: Re: ConnectorJ and Apache
On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 13:46, Danny Angus wrote:
David,
I got your address a while ago from Mark, to contact regarding licence
issues. Several months ago I mailed Mark about
Guys,
I don't know if this is relevant, I guess people can run external tools from their
IDE's, but I just sent someone else this link 'cos it has a win32 port of patch.
http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ and I thought of you. They also have a shed full of
ports of other simple *nix commands.
has a port of just about everything. including a
decent shell emulator for winblowz.
Danny Angus wrote:
Guys,
I don't know if this is relevant, I guess people can run
external tools from their IDE's, but I just sent someone else
this link 'cos it has a win32 port of patch.
http
JCP program office director Onno Kluyt said. Apache could not be contacted at the
time of going to press.
What?
d.
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From: Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro
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Sent: 28 November 2002 22:25
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
Subject: Jakarta on the news
Being involved with the JCP quite closely, yes, I tend to
agree... And since
now C# is also available for OS/X, well, I'm game! :-)
Me too, I may have to learn c# anyway to continue doing stuff for a client of mine who
is abandoning OS in favour of M$*.
Plus I'd be happy to help OS C#
In true Apache fashion please consider this patch.. ;-)
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From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
the number 1 selling OS
In case anyone hasn't seen this yet, I've attached the source code to
Windows 2000.
cvs -z9 diff -u win2000.h
Index: win2000.h
is Redhat Linux Professional Server any different
from what you can download for free. If so how can they get away
with that?
Funnily enough this is the second time I've been asked this in a month, and what I
reckon is...
It comes complete ready to install with tested kernel patches and
I'd also like to see all that provided royalty free and unencumbered by
patents, submarine or otherwise. I haven't really flirted with the whole
C#/.NET thing but this seems to remain a question mark over Mono and even
the ECMA standardization.
C# is just another language, without .NET and
Thats cool,
Makes the judge look like the kind of guy who only understands life by analogy with
sport though.
I suppose American judges aren't any less insane than ours then. ;-)
d.
I particularly liked what this judge had to say:
Please update the site with your preferences.
Jon,
Server, desktop or what?
d.
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Ahem.. I'd rather not say ;-)
d.
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From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 18 December 2002 17:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [POLL] OS of choice
on 2002/12/18 1:14 AM, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon,
Server, desktop
but no summary of the status and
growth of Jakarta as a whole.
Yeah, it might be nice to have an occasional State of the Nation address.
I'm not really sure what one of those is, but I decided I'd better not say
Queen's speech.
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This is a chairman's report. Typically, these appear after a time delay
(once approved in a subsequent meeting) at
http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html .
thats what I thought, but I don't see any recent jakarta ones.
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Thats me.
:-(
It *was* accidental and I have no idea how it happened.
It won't happen again.
d.
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From: Daniel F. Savarese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 02 January 2003 23:53
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: jakarta-site2 graffiti
Who's the joker who changed
Sam wrote:
Meanwhile, my plan is to see to it that those subprojects that desire to
become ASF projects will get the full cooperation and support of this PMC.
I should take this opportunity to let everyone know that James' commiters have voted
to do this.
We see it not as leaving Jakarta, but
So the suggestion is:
All Users lists become forums.
Developer lists stay.
Only problem I see there is that Developers won't check the forums as much
as they should, unless the Users forum has a mail list interface.
I think this is a terrible idea, unless... we had a mail-news gateway
Its peer review, once the commiters themselves are happy to release the code (they
vote to ascertain this) they release it.
But as development is Open the code is actually available for download from CVS before
it has been reviewed, approved, tested or anything.
The golden rule is that code in
Sam, Noel, everyone..
With respect to dnsjava and mm.mysql, my understanding is that
we had indeed
received such alternate licensing. Perhaps this needs to be
made more clear
somewhere.
If they issued a separate license for everyone to use, then I see no
record of this on
I would, of course, pass this on as even a specific
licence for Apache may not accord with either the ASFL or
distribution of the driver by our mirrors. FWIW I believe that I
summarised this on general@jakarta at the time, but perhaps not.
The net affect of such a license
I like to totally endorse Leo's points about the Avalon PMC, My experience with James
PMC is very, very similar.
James PMC is by and large the whole set of commiters who were active in discussions
about the project, rather than just the code. From that POV nothing much has changed,
we're a bit
And if that works for Italy, I
believe it works everywhere else...
Erm, are you really suggesting that Italian politics should be the model we emulate?
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