Re: RMS

2023-12-13 Thread borissh1983
On Wednesday, 13 December 2023 14:30:37 IST Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > In the view of Lifnei iver, > > > > Recently RMS had shared an alleged PFLP affiliated organization calls to > > prevent arms deals to Israel, PFLP participated in the Simhat torah > > massacre. > >

Re: RMS

2023-12-13 Thread Marc Volovic (me)
RMS (besides being a rather egregious person in general) is, in this case, neither supporting nor not supporting anyone's enemies. He's calling to reduce arms sales to a state that engages in wholesale slaughter of civillians, just like its enemies.

Re: RMS

2023-12-13 Thread Eli Zaretskii
> From: borissh1...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 13:48:13 +0200 > Message-ID-Hash: W5NHGXQZJVMKFFHYYY5PG4X74ONPMXEH > > In the view of Lifnei iver, > > Recently RMS had shared an alleged PFLP affiliated organization calls to > prevent arms deals to Israel, PFLP participated in the

Re: RMS

2023-12-13 Thread borissh1983
In the view of Lifnei iver, Recently RMS had shared an alleged PFLP affiliated organization calls to prevent arms deals to Israel, PFLP participated in the Simhat torah massacre. https://www.stallman.org/archives/2023-sep-dec.html#9_December_2023_(Legal_challenges_over_arms_exports) The

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-16 Thread Amos Shapira
2011/6/13 Tom Balazs tom123onl...@gmail.com It seems that Mr. Snitz is a mathematician, anarchist,... Let me guess - he's a Chaos theorist? :) --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Erez D
2011/6/15 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Ely Levy
Are you going to start that discussion again? Everyone said their opinion and nothing new was added for quite a few emails now. Maybe we should just let it die out? Ely 2011/6/15 Erez D erez0...@gmail.com 2011/6/15 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 15, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Ira Abramov wrote: you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. There may be, but there is a clear case here, RMS as president of the FSF has, ex officio (from his office, meaning as the president, not his desk) said that he was boycotting.

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread is123
I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel. Is the FSF not boycotting Israel? I guess it depends on how you see things, but when Stallman signs on a letter as President of the FSF that he will not come to Israel unless it is at a venue that sponsors an anti-Israel boycott, I don't know

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Stan Goodman
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 at 15:56:03 (GMT+2) Ira Abramov Lists-Linux- i...@ira.abramov.org wrote: Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-15 Thread Stan Goodman
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 at 16:18:42 (GMT+2) Erez D erez0...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/15 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-13 Thread Etzion Bar-Noy
I have been reading quite a lot of messages about this topic. I feel (and this is my feeling only) that it has been talked enough. Mr. Stallman doesn't want to be here. He doesn't care about the other side of the story, and he is so much about his own religion, that he forgets that each coin has

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-13 Thread Gilboa Davara
Enough already. The RMS thread-craze is *clearly* against the rules and guide-lines of Linux-IL mailing list, as it has little to do (if any) with, and I quote Linux related *questions* and *discussions* (emphasis mine). ML owner: Time to intervene? - Gilboa

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-13 Thread Stan Goodman
On Monday 13 June 2011 at 15:53:39 (GMT+2) Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com wrote: Enough already. The RMS thread-craze is *clearly* against the rules and guide-lines of Linux-IL mailing list, as it has little to do (if any) with, and I quote Linux related *questions* and *discussions*

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled to his opinion and choice. It is his right as a man and as a public figure. Marc, it

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:45:33AM +0300, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled to his opinion and

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 09:45, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Marc Volovic wrote: People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. The man is entitled to

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Marc Volovic
Being significantly less conversant with US corporate law than e.g. Israeli corporate law, I'll take your comments at face value. Is RMS, by agreeing to the conditions set by the financial contributors to his visit, in violation of US law? Mind - to the best of my understanding - he has not

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Marc Volovic marcvolo...@me.com wrote: Being significantly less conversant with US corporate law than e.g. Israeli corporate law, I'll take your comments at face value. Is RMS, by agreeing to the conditions set by the financial contributors to his visit, in

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Stan Goodman
On Sunday 12 June 2011 at 22:24:54 (GMT+2) Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: f FSF falls under the anti-boycott law (and I don't know that) then not only must RMS refuse to visit the PA, he (i.e., FSF) must report the request (this is the legal term in the context) to the US

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Stan Goodman wrote: My guess is that the anti-boycott law has nothing to do with FSF or any other voluntary organization (like what is called amutah in Hebrew), which is what I understand FSF to be. They are a 501 c 3 corporation, which limits prevents them

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:35, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.comwrote: My guess is that the anti-boycott law has nothing to do with FSF or any other voluntary organization (like what is called amutah in Hebrew), which is what I understand FSF to be. As far as I know, there is a law in

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-12 Thread Steve G.
I do not think what he is doing is necessary illegal, especially since he leaves open the option of a 'bidding war', where someone else pays his expenses, but the way he handled this issue is very clumsy and unfortunate. As I had said before, he should have checked with his sponsor before offering

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Steve G.
I think RMS does not have any intention of speaking, and is the OSS/FSF?GNU version of what is known as a cock-tease, though he seems more like a plain schmuck from a distance. He should not speak, nor even visit Israel. He should support freedom of expression in the west bank and Gaza by staying

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Orr Dunkelman
One can think of a few action plans: 1. Who cares? RMS is known to be somewhat awkward, and his behavior of hey I'm coming, oh, I'm coming only if it is not a univ., oh, wait a second, I cannot come unless this is the boycott offices in Israel, does not add to him much. The advantage of this

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Stan Goodman
On Friday 10 June 2011 at 16:35:43 (GMT+2) Tom Balazs tom123onl...@gmail.com wrote: After Dr. Richard M. Stallman (RMS) cancelled his lecture at the University of Haifa I tried to arrange an alternative meeting hall for him. Like some other people I thought that all that was required was not

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Marc Volovic
[a whole pile of claptrap, including previously written and quoted claptrap, snipped] People, RMS (as well as any other person) is entitled to support, adhere, acquiesce or abhor, deny, etc any and all BDS activities. (Some of) Your moral outrage is not a whit less ridiculous that agreement.

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Steve G.
I am not worried about his opinion, but his support of a boycott of Israel, and the fact that I have to rely on him for support of products I use. As far as I am concerned, my present view (after RMS and Mint) is that OSS is something to support as long as there is a commercial alternative. If in

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Marc Volovic
Dear Stan, You are, indeed, entitled to as much freedom and opportunity to BDS Israel for its criminal policies and proclivities. You are, indeed, entitled to as much freedom and opportunity to BDS RMS and others for their BDS'ing Israel. Just, please, try to do so without speechifying with a

Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

2011-06-10 Thread Marc Volovic
Ah, Dear Stan, how appropriate and typical to your line of argumentation. Hail! You are a true representative of your cause. M On Jun 11, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: On Saturday 11 June 2011 at 06:30:36 (GMT+2) Marc Volovic marcvolo...@me.com wrote: Dear Stan, You are,

Re: RMS clarifies, backlash was unneeded

2011-05-30 Thread linux.il
Moreover, he says the ban imposed on him is NOT Israel in its entirety, but only the Universities (the private Shenkar College seems kosher according to him). The weird but sensible thing to do is find lecture halls outside the universities and there would be no conflict. So Ariel College

Re: RMS clarifies, backlash was unneeded

2011-05-30 Thread Dotan Shavit
On 05/30/2011 10:24 AM, linux.il wrote: Moreover, he says the ban imposed on him is NOT Israel in its entirety, but only the Universities (the private Shenkar College seems kosher according to him). The weird but sensible thing to do is find lecture halls outside the universities and there would

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Translating Hebrew to English]

2003-07-11 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Ehud Karni wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FSF needs volunteers for translation Hebrew to English. Is it translating from Hebrew to English or from English to Hebrew? In both cases, what has to be translated? In any case, I may be able to help here.

Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Translating Hebrew to English]

2003-07-11 Thread Eliran Gonen
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FSF needs volunteers for translation Hebrew to English. Is it translating from Hebrew to English or from English to Hebrew? In both cases, what has to be translated? I already translated the main page into hebrew but they always tell me to go to this Dov dude

Re: [Yet another long post] Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-13 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Sun, 12 Jan: I am glad if it is. It is not so clear to me though, because, if you re-read the thread, there are voices that suggest a Stallmanist line as an official policy of Hamakor. All I did was saying that in my opinion it is narrow, divisive,

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-13 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 23:33, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: The more I think about it, the more problem I have with it. I distrust ideology (managing to respect the notion in the process), and I have resolved many years ago that I would not be a member of any organization whose purposes and charter

Re: RMS Lecture : Cab Ride

2003-01-12 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I have semi official information that reveals that bus number 49 from Ramata Aviv to Petach Tikva should cost about 8 NIS. Shachar. Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi! Since Petakh-Tikva is a bit out of the way for a Ramat-Aviv-Gimel person like me, I am planning to take a taxi there. If anyone

Re: RMS Lecture : Cab Ride

2003-01-12 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2003-01-12 Shachar Shemesh wrote: I have semi official information that reveals that bus number 49 from Ramata Aviv to Petach Tikva should cost about 8 NIS. The IBM building is also some 10 or 15 minutes walk from the Jabotinski / Geha junction. And getting there is quite easy with public

Re: RMS Lecture : Cab Ride

2003-01-12 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2003-01-12 I wrote: The IBM building is also some 10 or 15 minutes walk from the On second thought, make that 20 minutes. Your mileage may vary :) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-12 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are just drawing the line somewhere else. I wholeheartedly agree with that - it's a line-drawing game .. I choose to draw the line beyond fair use because fair use is an established legal principle that would be a

[Yet another long post] Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-12 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does that mean that you draw the line wherever the law goes? That's part of it, but it also seems a reasonable place to draw a line, which I hope is why the law is what it is. After all, I have bought the CD legally, and I only want to listen to parts

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-11 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a side note, stressing only the technical issues means that issues such as DRM, Trusted Computing and the DMCA are left out altogether. These are technical issues. One should not restrict generic technologies because

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-11 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quoting Nadav Har'El, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan: I don't know what your basic disagreements are (I guess I'll have to buy you a beer to find out :)) I think Oleg has put it very clearly in a post here, he's against the basic ideals of freedom, and

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-11 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All of the above technologies and laws are bad on technical reasons. That much is true. However, if your view of them is purely technical, you will notice that they are only bad for you IF YOU ARE USING OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. If you are not (such as

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-11 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All of the above technologies and laws are bad on technical reasons. That much is true. However, if your view of them is purely technical, you will notice that they are only bad for you IF YOU ARE USING OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. If

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-11 Thread Alon Altman
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: And excuse me for being pessimistic, but I have a hunch that if the current trends continues, book libraries will also be a thing of the past in 20 years. How long do you think the book publishers will agree to stay out of the pay- per-use or

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-11 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems to me that you are bringing ideoligy into the discussion, even as you are claiming to reject the notion. I don't see how. Why is it bad that you cannot rip your bought CD and pick and choose tracks for your car? You are not, as you claim,

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-11 Thread Alon Altman
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: In another example, I think DMCA and DRM and treacherous computing are evil. Why? For instance, I happen to own the latest Diana Krall CD. If you ask me to burn a copy for you, I will refuse, and I hope we can remain friends after that. I will,

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Book libraries existed and nobody thought that paying $10 a year for a library subscription (when one book costs more than that) was cheating

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery: Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good idea. Nadav, with your permission I would like to put that up on Hamakor. Under Nadav's name, I hope, not as a part of Hamakor's position. Right. I

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery: I also agree with some things that RMS says. I do disagree with his ideas about freedom though on a vary basic level, but I will only discuss that over some free beer. ;-) On this list it would be off

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-10 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: preaching for freedom as he does. I hope the new amuta will stress technical issues rather than ideological ones. I hope the amuta will replace your rather than with an as well as. The Amuta's name has free software and open source, right? Let's

Re: RMS over Humous - meeting summery

2003-01-10 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Nadav Har'El, from the post of Sat, 11 Jan: I don't know what your basic disagreements are (I guess I'll have to buy you a beer to find out :)) I think Oleg has put it very clearly in a post here, he's against the basic ideals of freedom, and therefore the fact that they are objectively

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-09 Thread Uri Bruck
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=247510contrassID=2subContrassID=13sbSubContrassID=0 I couldn't find it in the English version of haaretz On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Shaul Karl wrote: 1. http://www.haaretz.co.il. 2. Click near the upper left most corner for the English

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
Hello Mr. Stallman, IGLU people, On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Well, thanks to everybody who came. I did not count, but someone did, and there were more than 30 people (34?). It was a little bit too many for an orderly discussion, but I think some

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. No sir, I didn't do much except give my opinion once in a while. I do that quite easily, I have many of them.

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Special thanks to Muli for sharing the organizational effort, and to Shachar who agreed to take RMS to Haifa tomorrow. Hmm, let's see. Miss ~two hours of lectures and gain 1 hour private time with RMS. Besides, I've said before I'm looking to share the long drive

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about RMS Dinner: ... He told me that he always plans his trips to have 24 hours spare before his scheduled appearance. This was the first time he had about 20 hours or so, and just about everything that could go wrong did. He came to the dinner

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Arik Baratz
Nadav Har'El wrote: Re: RMS Dinner [snip] Oleg (and Muli, and whoever was in charge of organizing this dinner) - thanks! Hear hear. [snip] With all due respect, Stallman is not our equal, he's our mentor/idol/hero. We all knew him but he knew (almost) none of us. A little more humility

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:48:54PM +0200, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: One amusing question RMS asked me - and asked me to ask the gang - is as follows. Before the trip he was contacted by two women who asked him out, and he is going to go out with both (separately) during his stay here. At least

Re: RMS Dinner

2003-01-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No sir, I didn't do much except give my opinion once in a while. I do I think you are being overly modest, my friend. And that's not counting holding the defensive position against over 30 enraged free software enthusiasts waiting for RMS to appear. For

Re: RMS story in ynet(walla)

2003-01-03 Thread Ely Levy
I ment on walla not ynet ofcourse:) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=itempath=4id=331040 I think it's nothing original but qoutes from old places Ely Levy System group Hebrew University

Re: RMS story in ynet

2003-01-03 Thread Amir Tal
On Friday 03 January 2003 15:36, Ely Levy wrote: RMS story in walla, maybe ;) http://news.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?tsscript=itempath=4id=331040 I think it's nothing original but qoutes from old places Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel

RE: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)

2002-12-23 Thread Dvir Volk
the RMS visit is getting closer and closer. As well, it appears, as the war in Iraq. I just hope the whole event won't be canceled. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body,

Re: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)

2002-12-23 Thread Amir Tal
On Monday 23 December 2002 10:49, Dvir Volk wrote: the RMS visit is getting closer and closer. RMS does not strike me as the kind of guy that will postpone a visit over something silly like a little war... did you read this guy's political doc's?? :) tal. As well, it appears, as the war

RE: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)

2002-12-23 Thread linux_il
Unless he's willing to swim here, if you believe the newspapers and remember the previous war, commercial flights will cease in case some objects start flying in unauthorized vertical paths. :-) Practical suggestion - let's just plan as if everything is going to be ok and at worst the plans will

Re: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)

2002-12-23 Thread Amir Tal
On Monday 23 December 2002 14:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we are fully intended to do just that ;) tal. Unless he's willing to swim here, if you believe the newspapers and remember the previous war, commercial flights will cease in case some objects start flying in unauthorized vertical

Re: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)

2002-12-22 Thread Amir Tal
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 21:06, Omer Zak wrote: the RMS visit is getting closer and closer. if you people are serious about creating a list of questions for a translated interview, please send them to me, and I'll add them to omer's and eli's. tal. Meanwhile I thought about questions

Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG

2002-12-18 Thread Ely Levy
sure lets act like spinless people in order to please the great RMS, how about changing it to RFC (RMS fun club?) if it's for his honor great, if it's to please him so he would agree to see us btw oleg the part about we going to contact RMS so don't overflow him and then saying that if only

Novel RMS Questions, anyone? (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)

2002-12-18 Thread Omer Zak
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: oh and one last idea, How about asking him for an interview for whatsup? something in slashdot style where people send questions and he get to answer the few more asked ones. I think that would make a lot of people happy. Beside the political questions,

Re: Novel RMS Questions, anyone? (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)

2002-12-18 Thread Amir Tal
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 19:43, Omer Zak wrote: if there will be enough people who want to participate in such an interview (send questions that they want to ask, that is) I'll be more then happy to do the job, translate everything and post the answers to the site for everyone's use.

Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG

2002-12-18 Thread Amir Tal
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 20:40, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: btw oleg the part about we going to contact RMS so don't overflow him and then saying that if only 10 people can you meet him then all the rest should wait for whatever, it sounds kind of bad.

Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG

2002-12-18 Thread Ely Levy
ok I have 2 to offer, 1) about whats her name law offer to prevent goverment from buying non opensource things 2) About what he think should be done to push linux in israel and solve the hebrew problem which stop so many people from using it. 3) What people can do to push linux into the

Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)

2002-12-18 Thread Omer Zak
Meanwhile I thought about questions to RMS. 1. What is RMS' exact position about software which is burned into ROM and put into an instrument/device/appliance? Should the customer have access to the source code and to a means for replacing the software? 2. What if the ROM mentioned in (1)

Re: Questions to RMS (was: Re: RMS, T'so and the LUG)

2002-12-18 Thread Amir Tal
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 21:06, Omer Zak wrote: OK, so far i have questions from omer and eli. keep sending them in, and I'll create a final list of questions, and post it here for your approval. tal. Meanwhile I thought about questions to RMS. 1. What is RMS' exact position about

Re: RMS in israel

2002-12-17 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Amir Tal wrote: for those who are (still) not updated : http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=49331 I'm still not, how about a synopsis in English? TIA, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson MobilEye Vision Technologies Ltd, R.M.P.E House, 10 Hartom St. Har Hotzvim Jerusalem, 91450 Israel

Re: RMS in israel

2002-12-17 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 08:19:41PM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Amir Tal wrote: for those who are (still) not updated : http://net.nana.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=49331 I'm still not, how about a synopsis in English? TIA, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson MobilEye Vision

Re: GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]

2002-06-04 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Actually, come to think about it, contrary to what I wrote in the posting that puzzled you, one can argue that a device driver is a piece of software that makes a particular piece of software work, using knowledge of its specific characteristics that are outside of

Re: GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]

2002-06-03 Thread Shaul Karl
Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The linux kernel is licensed under a license that is not exactly the GPL. It is the GPL with an extra clause that allows binary modules (to allow support of certain kinds of hardware, and with certain limitations, but this is really *not* the

Re: GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]

2002-06-03 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you mean by `make sure that whatever your module does makes sense out of the context of the Linux kernel'? I guess that once I will get that sentence I will be able to understand why it is difficult to satisfy in the case of hardware drivers.

Re: GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]

2002-06-02 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The linux kernel is licensed under a license that is not exactly the GPL. It is the GPL with an extra clause that allows binary modules (to allow support of certain kinds of hardware, and with certain limitations, but this is really *not* the place to

GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]

2002-06-01 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote: On Saturday 01 June 2002 02:41, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Fri, 31 May 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote: job job, someone has to speak for those who cannt ('cause they are coding too much) He _is_ right. The day this will happen a big part of freedom

Re: RMS is back again

2002-06-01 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 01:26:03AM +0300, Christoph Bugel wrote: On 2002-05-31, Eliran wrote: Well, here is another response of Richard M. Stallman the FSF founder. Now he condemns the UnitedLinux (Suse, Turbo Linux, Mandrake and others joined forces). What next ? Maybe you

Re: RMS is back again

2002-06-01 Thread Eliran
- Original Message - From: Christoph Bugel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eliran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: Re: RMS is back again On 2002-05-31, Eliran wrote: Well, here is another response of Richard M. Stallman the FSF founder

Re: GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]

2002-06-01 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote: On Saturday 01 June 2002 02:41, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Fri, 31 May 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote: job job, someone has to speak for those who cannt ('cause they are coding too much) He _is_ right. The

Re: GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]

2002-06-01 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't like this? choose a different distro. Mandrake, Redhat and Debian, .. Some of the software contained in those distributions is not free (e.g: Netscape 4.72). But the distribution as a whole is. I don't know about Mandrake/Red

Re: RMS is back again

2002-05-31 Thread Diego Iastrubni
job job, someone has to speak for those who cannt ('cause they are coding too much) He _is_ right. The day this will happen a big part of freedom will be ported to win32 platform. - diego On Friday 31 May 2002 22:29, Eliran wrote: Well, here is another response of Richard M. Stallman the

Re: RMS is back again

2002-05-31 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2002-05-31, Eliran wrote: Well, here is another response of Richard M. Stallman the FSF founder. Now he condemns the UnitedLinux (Suse, Turbo Linux, Mandrake and others joined forces). What next ? Maybe you should explain *why* you disagree with RMS. I think RMS is right. BTW,

Re: RMS is back again

2002-05-31 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote: job job, someone has to speak for those who cannt ('cause they are coding too much) He _is_ right. The day this will happen a big part of freedom will be ported to win32 platform. It is legally possible to port GPLed software to Win32. In fact,

Re: RMS is back again

2002-05-31 Thread Diego Iastrubni
On Saturday 01 June 2002 02:41, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Fri, 31 May 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote: job job, someone has to speak for those who cannt ('cause they are coding too much) He _is_ right. The day this will happen a big part of freedom will be ported to win32 platform. It is legally

Re: RMS is back again

2002-05-31 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Eliran wrote: Well, here is another response of Richard M. Stallman the FSF founder. Now he condemns the UnitedLinux (Suse, Turbo Linux, Mandrake and others joined forces). Let's get some facts straight first: SuSE, TurboLinux, Caldera and Conectiva (not Mandrake)