[Talk-dk] Gratis medlem af OpenStreetMap Foundation baseret på hvor aktiv du er

2020-08-22 Thread Soren Johannessen
Hej alle sammen Du kan nu blive gratis medlem OpenStreetMap Foundation, hvis du inden for de sidste 365 dage har været ind og redigere i 42 dage samt din indsats er frivillig og ikke en del af dit daglige arbejde. Dit medlemskab vil høre under OSMF "Active Contributor Membership" men læs selv

Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

2020-08-22 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 11:55 2020-08-22, Volker Schmidt đã viết: On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 19:31, > wrote: I've even encountered signs that threaten people who attempt to use their driveway as a U-turn. This seems to be the rule in England, UK. When I

Re: [Talk-cr] Añadir alertas según CNE al mapa de OSM

2020-08-22 Thread Rodrigo
On 8/22/20 4:13 PM, Rodolfo Quesada Zumbado wrote: > Hola, > > Lo que me está preocupando como menciona Wolter y por eso proponía el 'kill > switch', es que eventualmente alguien se va a aburrir y queden los datos > desactualizados en la metadata de los relations, para muestra un botón, >

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Import WestCOG building footprints in south-west Connecticut

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Machyna
Thank Julien for pushing this forward! yeah, I tried to get addresses from here: http://geodata-ctmaps.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/bfa7da83da384c2aa809882179369dc4_0/features/305004 and add them on top of the westCOG buildings. The data is a big mess because it's a join_table of like 30

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Hi Martin :) Den Sat, 22 Aug 2020 19:55:16 +0200 skrev Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time: > sent from a phone > > > On 22. Aug 2020, at 19:44, pangoSE wrote: > > > > Maybe we should first add permanent ids (new table) and

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 8/22/20 03:26, pangoSE wrote: > I meant that a verification system does exist in Wikipedia and they > now require references on all statements to keep up the quality of > the articles which is sane IMO. We have no such system. The big, huge difference between Wikipedia and OSM is that

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 8/22/20 03:20, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > Nobody claims OpenStreetMap data contains no mistakes. There are a lot of cases where OSM data is better than that in Google Maps, Mapquest, Bing Maps, etc. Unfortunately there are also a lot of cases where the converse is true; in particular,

Re: [Talk-cr] Añadir alertas según CNE al mapa de OSM

2020-08-22 Thread Rodolfo Quesada Zumbado
Hola, Lo que me está preocupando como menciona Wolter y por eso proponía el 'kill switch', es que eventualmente alguien se va a aburrir y queden los datos desactualizados en la metadata de los relations, para muestra un botón, revisen los artículos de Wikipedia sobre la pandemia de COVID19 en

Re: [Talk-GB] Bude-Light in Trafalgar Square

2020-08-22 Thread Jez Nicholson
Niche, but interesting. A nice break from tagging list discussions. On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 18:58 Andy Mabbett, wrote: > Update: there are four; they have been identified and mapped; and > details added to the Wikipedia article I mentioned. > > On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 12:22, Andy Mabbett > wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: [Tagging] [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us
The answer by Clay Smalley was public and visible on mailing lists. Personally I was not answering because someone started mailing list thread under badly chosen title and spammed it to [Talk-us] AND [Tagging] AND [Talk-transit] AND [OSM-talk] Why not also to [Imports] and [Talk-pl] and

Re: [Talk-de] Kostenlose OSMF-Mitgliedschaft für Aktive - Craftmapper in die OSMF ;)

2020-08-22 Thread michael spreng
Hallo Eike On 22.08.20 10:42, Rolf Eike Beer wrote: > Ganz toll wäre es, wenn man die Eingabefelder durch URL-Parameter vorbelegen > könnte. > Kannst du das etwas ausführen, was da der usecase wäre? Grüsse Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list

[Talk-us] Fwd: Re: [Tagging] [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us
ever time this person answers, no one else will talk because he is addressing it to me and not the grope.   i have never id him as he has me, what about the rules ? Forwarded message From: Clay Smalley < claysmal...@gmail.com > To: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru, Public

Re: [Talk-cr] Añadir alertas según CNE al mapa de OSM

2020-08-22 Thread Wolter H. V.
[2020-08-21 00:49 -0600] Rodrigo: > On 8/20/20 7:57 PM, Jaime Gutiérrez Alfaro wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:04 PM Rodolfo Quesada Zumbado > > wrote: > > > Hola Jaime, Wolter, Rodrigo y amigos de OSM, > > > > > > Jaime y yo estuvimos trabajando un poco ahora temprano y creamos esta > >

Re: [Talk-us] [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Clay Smalley
Everyone knows who you're talking about at this point, and nobody cares. Use the remaining day or so of your temporary ban to work on some hobbies outside of OpenStreetMap. And be careful about who you say isn't local. I'm moving to Northern Indiana next week and I'll certainly get the chance to

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-transit] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Clay Smalley
Everyone knows who you're talking about at this point, and nobody cares. Use the remaining day or so of your temporary ban to work on some hobbies outside of OpenStreetMap. And be careful about who you say isn't local. I'm moving to Northern Indiana next week and I'll certainly get the chance to

Re: [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Clay Smalley
Everyone knows who you're talking about at this point, and nobody cares. Use the remaining day or so of your temporary ban to work on some hobbies outside of OpenStreetMap. And be careful about who you say isn't local. I'm moving to Northern Indiana next week and I'll certainly get the chance to

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us
>it was one person in CA adding 400 unverified tags to rail service in chicago. >  >one just 818 m, away from my home. >  >>Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:32 PM -05:00 from Martin Koppenhoefer < >>dieterdre...@gmail.com >: >> >>sent from a phone >>  >>> On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE <

Re: [Talk-transit] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-transit
>it was one person in CA adding 400 unverified tags to rail service in chicago. >  >one just 818 m, away from my home. >  >>Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:32 PM -05:00 from Martin Koppenhoefer < >>dieterdre...@gmail.com >: >> >>sent from a phone >>  >>> On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE <

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
>it was one person in CA adding 400 unverified tags to rail service in chicago. >  >one just 818 m, away from my home. >  >>Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:32 PM -05:00 from Martin Koppenhoefer < >>dieterdre...@gmail.com >: >> >>sent from a phone >>  >>> On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE <

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread mmd
On 2020-08-22 19:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > What kind of permanent ids do you want? For some more abstract concept like a > road with a specific name? A shop? A building? If there’s a way tagged with > building=supermarket, shop=supermarket, name=Foo, and you add a permanent id > to it.

Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

2020-08-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 19:31, wrote: > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 10:14:00 -0700 > From: Minh Nguyen > To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove > access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH > I've > even encountered signs that

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Défibrillateur inaccessible à cheval et en vélo

2020-08-22 Thread Philippe Verdy
Dans ces défibrillateurs, il faudrait clairement distinguer ceux qui sont réglementaires et imposent des conditions d'accès publiques. Les défibrillateurs "indoor" avec des horaires d'accès ne sont PAS des DAE au sens de la loi, ils sont d'usage privé (même si dans certains établissements fermés

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Défibrillateur inaccessible à cheval et en vélo

2020-08-22 Thread Philippe Verdy
"horse=no" ? N'est pas un peu trop ? Ces tags (y compris "foot=*") sont plutôt pour les "highways" (voire aussi les surfaces avec area=yes notamment les surfaces pédestres) pour qualifier un chemin d'accès mais n'ont aucun sens sur un noeud isolé (qui n'ont eux-même aucun cheminement). Là on est

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Import WestCOG building footprints in south-west Connecticut

2020-08-22 Thread Julien Lepiller
Le Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:30:02 -0400, Yury Yatsynovich a écrit : > Hi Julien, > The following communication that I've had recently with a CT official > might be of interest to you: > > Oh, great! I think we already saw this data (I tried to contact them too, but never got a reply :/). From what

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread stevea
One of the best suggestions I and others have made to pangoSE regarding this proposal is a very strong use case or solid, easily-grasped geographically-based examples of a problem (exclusively or largely unsolvable in OSM today, with today's data and tools) that would make for a solvable

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 19:44, pangoSE wrote: > > So one new table for permanent ids that is updated every time: > * a node is created or deleted > * a way is created from scratch or deleted > * a relation is created from scratch or deleted > * a way is converted to a relation

Re: [Talk-GB] Bude-Light in Trafalgar Square

2020-08-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
Update: there are four; they have been identified and mapped; and details added to the Wikipedia article I mentioned. On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 12:22, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > Various sources refer to a replica Bude-Light [1] in Trafalgar Square, > London. however, a Google image search [2] finds

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Hi Simon Den Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:22:07 +0200 skrev Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time: > As, independent of any other concerns, a matter of good form, I would > want to point out that there is no such thing as ownership of >

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 19:44, pangoSE wrote: > > Maybe we should first add permanent ids (new table) and reference that. we do have permanent ids for nodes, ways and relations. ;-) What kind of permanent ids do you want? For some more abstract concept like a road with a

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Défibrillateur inaccessible à cheval et en vélo

2020-08-22 Thread Yves P.
> Celui-ci est particulier :D > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4887916049/history > Je pensais être tombé sur un cas isolé, mais il y en a 171 dans le monde : https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Xi1 > Il a

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Hi mmd  mmd skrev: (22 augusti 2020 13:41:00 CEST) >On 2020-08-22 11:08, pangoSE wrote: >> The system can then be queried lke this: >> >> IMPLEMENTATION SUGGESTION: >> >> GET Openstreetmap.org/api/userobjects/pangoSE >> Outputs objects for user pangoSE with the oldest first (outputs 10 >>

[OSM-talk-fr] Défibrillateur inaccessible à cheval et en vélo

2020-08-22 Thread Yves P.
Bonsoir, Celui-ci est particulier :D https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4887916049/history Il a été édité avec iD. Le preset ne doit pas être très clair ;) __ Yves___ Talk-fr mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 19:25, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > ... dummerweise ist der Richtungswechsel hier in der Gegend die Regel (an > den Abfahrten fuer di Badestraende), und kann sogar während des Tages > wechseln na und, das kann man ja modellieren, AFAIK gibt es tags für

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE wrote: > > Here is yet another example of bad data in our database: fix it ;-) Of course OpenStreetMap contains errors, just like any other source, and probably more, given that most contributors are laymen and have very few

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Import WestCOG building footprints in south-west Connecticut

2020-08-22 Thread Yury Yatsynovich
Hi Julien, The following communication that I've had recently with a CT official might be of interest to you: * Hi Yury, At this point, yes, I think that’s correct. Obviously, we’d like if you cite the state, but we don’t have set guidelines for that. I forwarded the other issue with

Re: [Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

2020-08-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
... dummerweise ist der Richtungswechsel hier in der Gegend die Regel (an den Abfahrten fuer di Badestraende), und kann sogar während des Tages wechseln. On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 18:38, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 22. Aug 2020, at 09:29, Volker Schmidt wrote: >

[Talk-us] Import WestCOG building footprints in south-west Connecticut

2020-08-22 Thread Julien Lepiller
Hi! With other contributors in Connecticut, we would like to import building footprints. We have evaluated different data sources, and concluded that no Connecticut-wide sources were usable without a lot of manual work to fix building geometry. We found that the WestCOG has very accurate

Re: [Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

2020-08-22 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 12:01 2020-08-16, Alex Weech đã viết: Hello all, I'm planning a mechanical edit to remove the access=private tag that Amazon Logistics mappers added in New Hampshire. They originally added the tag without using street-level imagery to look for no trespassing signs, and they made so,

Re: [Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 09:29, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Es gibt eine zusätzliche Komplikation: hier in Norditalien gibt es stark > befahrene Mautstellen, wo einige Fahrbahnen nach Bedarf die Richtung > wechseln. das kommt an manchen Stationen vor, und ist eine zusätzliche

Re: [Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 09:21, Nordpfeil wrote: > > Hier zwei Links zum Thema > 1. Bearbeitungsstandards und Konventionen für Straßen mit getrennten Spuren: > (Vielleicht ist das die "Entscheidung der internationalen Community".) > >

[Talk-de] Fwd: Re: [Osmf-talk] Rollout Active Contributor Membership

2020-08-22 Thread Michael Kugelmann via Talk-de
Danke an Christoph für die Übersetzung. Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff:Re: [Osmf-talk] Rollout Active Contributor Membership Datum: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:47:02 +0200 Von:Christoph Hormann via osmf-talk Antwort an: Christoph Hormann An:

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Défibrillateur et tag name=*

2020-08-22 Thread Yves P.
Les noms de DAE sont de retour  > Ce que tu décris fonctionne bien pour trouver un DAE visuellement sur la > carte. > Je vois un logo de DAE à côté ou dans la mairie. > > Par contre, si tu dois expliquer à quelqu'un où se trouve le DAE (pourquoi > pas avec une synthèse vocale) où trouver

[Talk-us] licence? | Re: [Imports] Importing data from alltheplaces.xyz

2020-08-22 Thread Rory McCann
That site is “A growing set of web scrapers designed to output consistent geodata about as many places of business in the world as possible.” I don't think it's CC0 licenced. It's a collection of other databases. Have they gotten permission from all the business that they scrape that they

[Talk-us] Importing data from alltheplaces.xyz

2020-08-22 Thread Kun Attila
Dear OSM community, I've been mapping Moundsville, WV nowadays (one of my friends live there so i chose that location). I'm ottwiz on OSM (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ottwiz) from Hungary. Sometimes i didn't know how to publish imports correctly  from https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/( it

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread Simon Poole
As, independent of any other concerns, a matter of good form, I would want to point out that there is no such thing as ownership of OSM-objects, and discussing a concept of "their OSM-objects" is starting the discussion on the wrong foot. Am 22.08.2020 um 11:08 schrieb pangoSE: > Hi > > I would

Re: [Talk-lt] Poilsiavietės places.openmap.lt žemėlapyje

2020-08-22 Thread Tomas Straupis
2020-08-21, pn, 23:06 Mindaugas rašė: > Super, tik ta techninė informacija neatrodo, kad atitinka realų puslapio > veikimą. > <...> :-) Realų veikimą galima pažiūrėti kode: https://github.com/openmaplt/places/blob/master/web/list.php (patikslinau ir techninės info puslapyje) >> Sakyčiau,

Re: [Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

2020-08-22 Thread Volker via Talk-de
Diese Standards und Konventionen sind doch aber letzten Endes nichts neues. Die Angabe von Lanes bei richtungsgebundenen Fahrbahnen dient doch eigentlich nur dem Einsparen von Zeichenarbeit und Speicherplatz. Wenn sich dann die richtungsgebundenen Fahrbahnen aufteilen, müssen einzelne Highays mit

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread mmd
On 2020-08-22 11:08, pangoSE wrote: > The system can then be queried lke this: > > IMPLEMENTATION SUGGESTION: > > GET Openstreetmap.org/api/userobjects/pangoSE > Outputs objects for user pangoSE with the oldest first (outputs 10 > entries, can be used to get more, can be used to output up > to

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Alan Mackie
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 11:02, pangoSE wrote: > Hi > > Jo skrev: (22 augusti 2020 11:44:49 CEST) > >On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 11:30 pangoSE wrote: > > > >> Hi  > >> > >> Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 > >> 10:51:49 CEST) > >> >(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in

[Talk-GB] Bude-Light in Trafalgar Square

2020-08-22 Thread Andy Mabbett
Various sources refer to a replica Bude-Light [1] in Trafalgar Square, London. however, a Google image search [2] finds pictures of lamps of two different designs; one is on a narrow metal column [3], the other a broad stone column [4]. We don't seem to have anything mapped, other than the two

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread Andy Townsend
> How/where was the notes addition proposed and implemented? If I remember correctly, it was done as a "Google Summer of Code" project - effectively a sponsorship deal.  However, that project requires a clone of the OSM website, which is a much harder job than merely doing something with OSM

[OSM-talk] Default access rights (was: Re: Use of OSM data without attribution)

2020-08-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/08/2020 08:56, Simon Poole wrote: To add to what Andy has already said, complaints about people using private paths etc are relatively common, not a large number in absolute terms, but there tend to be a couple each month which either land with the DWG, or LWG, or naturally with the local

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Hi Jo skrev: (22 augusti 2020 11:44:49 CEST) >On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 11:30 pangoSE wrote: > >> Hi  >> >> Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 >> 10:51:49 CEST) >> >(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but >there >> >are >> >still edits being made without any

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/08/2020 10:32, Andrew Harvey wrote: Nothing is stopping such a system being built at the moment as a 3rd party service, just needs someone motivated enough to build and support it. Yes - exactly that. Until such time as someone writes a "mailing list post to software translator"*

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Aug 22, 2020, 11:28 by pang...@riseup.net: > Hi  > > Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 10:51:49 > CEST) > >(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but there > >are > >still edits being made without any citations > > Yeah I know, but the point is its really hard

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Jo
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 11:30 pangoSE wrote: > Hi  > > Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 > 10:51:49 CEST) > >(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but there > >are > >still edits being made without any citations > > Yeah I know, but the point is its really hard to

Re: [OSM-talk] Let's think about how we use mailing lists (was: Re: Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !))

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Thanks for the heads up. Words are really powerful so its wise to weigh them carefully before disclosure. I have no intentions of highlighting the errors of others just for the sake of it. Individual errors are not interesting, but they can give input to a healthy discussion. I have ideas

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 18:28, pangoSE wrote: > Hi  > > Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 > 09:55:10 CEST) > >"It a playground with half-ass quality more than an authoritative and > >verified source of information (like e.g. Wikipedia)" > > > >I am not sure whatever you claim that >

Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
I think you can set this up with OSM Hall Monitor https://github.com/ethan-nelson/osm_hall_monitor by tracking all the objects you touch and setting them up as subscriptions. Personally I found it easier to just subscribe to my whole city in OSMCha. Nothing is stopping such a system being built

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Hi  Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 10:51:49 CEST) >(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but there >are >still edits being made without any citations Yeah I know, but the point is its really hard to create a new article in WP without references without it

[OSM-talk] Let's think about how we use mailing lists (was: Re: Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !))

2020-08-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/08/2020 09:12, pangoSE wrote: Here is yet another example of bad data in our database: (to "pangoSE", via the list): Sometimes it helps to think about how we react to things in the spur of the moment.  Martijn's anecdote was about something that he mapped 9 years ago that was _correct

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Thanks for sharing. I have no intention of contacting the user in question. It was just an illustrative example. I don't know why this was posted to the tagging list. I intend to keep this discussion on the talk list so please respond there to keep the discussion together. Cj Malone skrev:

[OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Hi I would like to track all objects that I ever created or edited. I suggest we implement a system to make this easy. I suggest we create a new system that is updated every time a changeset is uploaded. The new system tracks userids and osmids and date of last change/edit. When I create or

Re: [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

2020-08-22 Thread Andy Townsend
On 22/08/2020 02:35, Clay Smalley wrote: For those who aren't following, the DWG recently decided on a two-day ban for the person who posted this, for the exact behavior they're exhibiting right now: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3850 Indeed, and it wasn't done lightly - only

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Alan Mackie
On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 09:28 pangoSE, wrote: > Hi  > > Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 > 09:55:10 CEST) > >"It a playground with half-ass quality more than an authoritative and > >verified source of information (like e.g. Wikipedia)" > > > >I am not sure whatever you claim that >

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
(1) Wikipedia may strongly encourage or mandate it in theory, but there are still edits being made without any citations (2) Wikipedia is explicitly forbidding original research, OSM is explicitly encouraging it The best edits are where people map things not mapped anywhere else, or at least not

Re: [Talk-de] Kostenlose OSMF-Mitgliedschaft für Aktive - Craftmapper in die OSMF ;)

2020-08-22 Thread Rolf Eike Beer
Am Donnerstag, 20. August 2020, 10:17:18 CEST schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hallo, > > Michael Spreng von der Membership Working Group der OSMF hat gerade > geschrieben > (https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-August/007162.html > ), dass die schon länger geplante Regel "aktive

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Hi again Mateusz Konieczny via talk skrev: (22 augusti 2020 10:20:51 CEST) >Nobody claims OpenStreetMap data contains no mistakes. > >Are you really expecting that we will be shocked by proof that >some data somewhere is wrong? No. Are you shocked by my constructive criticism and constructive

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Hi  Mateusz Konieczny skrev: (22 augusti 2020 09:55:10 CEST) >"It a playground with half-ass quality more than an authoritative and >verified source of information (like e.g. Wikipedia)" > >I am not sure whatever you claim that >Wikipedia is >"playground with half-ass quality" or

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Thanks to DWG for taking this action. Aug 22, 2020, 03:35 by claysmal...@gmail.com: > For those who aren't following, the DWG recently decided on a two-day ban for > the person who posted this, for the exact behavior they're exhibiting right > now: >

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] VANDALISM !

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us
Thanks to DWG for taking this action. Aug 22, 2020, 03:35 by claysmal...@gmail.com: > For those who aren't following, the DWG recently decided on a two-day ban for > the person who posted this, for the exact behavior they're exhibiting right > now: >

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Nobody claims OpenStreetMap data contains no mistakes. Are you really expecting that we will be shocked by proof that some data somewhere is wrong? I would be able to post one mail per minute with examples of serious mistakes, forever - even after my death, as it would be fairly easy to

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Here is yet another example of bad data in our database: Originalmeddelande Från: Martijn van Exel Skickat: 22 augusti 2020 00:33:24 CEST Till: talk@openstreetmap.org Ämne: Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution Curious anecdote: some AllTrails user apparently

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

2020-08-22 Thread Simon Poole
To add to what Andy has already said, complaints about people using private paths etc are relatively common, not a large number in absolute terms, but there tend to be a couple each month which either land with the DWG, or LWG, or naturally with the local community (I've handled a couple of them

Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
"It a playground with half-ass quality more than an authoritative and verified source of information (like e.g. Wikipedia)" I am not sure whatever you claim that Wikipedia is "playground with half-ass quality" or "authoritative and verified source of information". Though any of this claims

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-us
"It a playground with half-ass quality more than an authoritative and verified source of information (like e.g. Wikipedia)" I am not sure whatever you claim that Wikipedia is "playground with half-ass quality" or "authoritative and verified source of information". Though any of this claims

[OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Hi 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk skrev: (22 augusti 2020 03:06:37 CEST) >  >Also there is no wiki on unverified edits. >  In OSM we don't yet have an established system for verification or accurate machine readable references for the data to my knowledge. This means the whole database is

Re: [Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

2020-08-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
Es gibt eine zusätzliche Komplikation: hier in Norditalien gibt es stark befahrene Mautstellen, wo einige Fahrbahnen nach Bedarf die Richtung wechseln. On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, 09:21 Nordpfeil, wrote: >Hier zwei Links zum Thema > 1. Bearbeitungsstandards und Konventionen für Straßen mit

[Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

2020-08-22 Thread Nordpfeil
  Hier zwei Links zum Thema 1. Bearbeitungsstandards und Konventionen für Straßen mit getrennten Spuren: (Vielleicht ist das die "Entscheidung der internationalen Community".) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Bearbeitungsstandards_und_-konventionen#Stra.C3.9Fen_mit_getrennten_Spuren 2.

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

2020-08-22 Thread stevea
I largely agree, but I have found there are times and places where explicitly saying "this particular wiki here is being PREscriptive (should be done), rather than the usual tone of DEscriptive (as done now)" can be a value-add to both our map and our wiki (in the long run). When done well and

Re: [Talk-de] Auftrennung der highways an Mautstellen

2020-08-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Aug 2020, at 00:59, Volker via Talk-de > wrote: > > Wer an solchen Mautstellen nicht auf Sicht fährt > sondern auf sein Navi hört, ist selbst dran schuld. so habe ich es auch gesehen, aber anscheinend sind manche Navis dort abgestürzt und es ist ja eine