Worship in the temple is done facing towards the East like SUN Worshipers Satanic Stars Black Sheep sacrificed by joe riding a Black horse before getting plates Visits of the Golden Angel Plates given on significant Occult days Moroni called an "Angel of Light" (see devil) Seer Stones like
In a message dated 12/12/2005 5:05:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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IFF true
then, will you explain the 'teaching' underlying this practice? IFF false
then, tell us if this was EVER THE CASE?
We usually try to avoid discussions of what is done in LDS
Just like the "innocent" Satanic symbols all over the Temple, NO BIG THING.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/12/2005 5:05:19 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IFF true then, will you explain the 'teaching' underlying this practice? IFF false then, tell us
Blainerb: "But I say unto you, that every idle word that men
shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment" (Matt.
12:36).
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writes:
Just like the "innocent" Satanic symbols all over
We ask about one of you ceremonies to better understand your Mormon
belief
DAVEH: Forgive me, Dean...But I don't believe you are sincere
about that. If I explain such things to you, I've got the feeling you
will use it to denigrate that which I hold sacred.
Dean Moore wrote:
cd:
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We ask about one of you ceremonies to better understand your Mormon beliefDAVEH: Forgive me, Dean...But I
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eats fall like water on an
otherwise dry ground.
From: Dave Hansen
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Sent: 11/22/2005 3:10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry
Dave: inquiring minds want to know
We ask about one of you ceremonies to better
un
Suppose it wassecretly Satan that is worshipped. Would you expect to be told so?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/22/2005 3:10:42 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want
Those rare treats are much like water...all wet!
Terry
Lance Muir wrote:
CD:You sound an aweful lot like the 'Church
lady' (SNL).You are always invoking the name of Satan and,
demonstrating a remarkably low level of discernment? Sadly, I
acknowledge remaining with TT, at
We give you all you ask for to be examined
under Satan microscope.
DAVEH: Therein lies the problem, Dean. I have no desire
to be examined under Satan microscope, which is
why I don't respond to such questions as yours and other anti-Mormons.
DAVEH: Forgive me, Dean...But I don't
exegesis. exposition and theological instinct. Those rare treats fall like water on an otherwise dry ground.From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/22/2005 3:10:42 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to knowWe ask about one of you ceremonies to be
treats fall like water on an otherwise dry ground.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: November 22, 2005 06:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen
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CD:You sound an aweful lot like the 'Church lady' (SNL).You are always invoking the name of Satan
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Suppose it wassecretly Satan that is worshipped.
Would you expect to be told so?
cd: No because he is afraid
It is not because you do not have good answers for some of the questions? it is not because some things do not fit nicely inside of your theological house of cards and might jeopardize the structure?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We give you all you ask for to be examined under Satan
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We give you all you ask for to be examined under Satan microscope. DAVEH: Therein lies the problem, Dean. I have
cd:If one is not being examined by Satan
them He feels there is no need as he already has that person.
DAVEH: Your wisdom continues to astound me, Dean.
We give you all
you ask for to be examined under Satan microscope.
DAVEH: Therein lies the problem, Dean. I have no desire
cd: Both are in the questions below brother:-)
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Do you refer to the usage of Lucifer or Bible translations?Dean
m: Kevin Deegan
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In Greek Helios is the sun god. In German, this became hellen, from which came the word helder, meaning, "clear" or "shiny." But
Moore
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cd: This is real good information brother and I am saving it for future use-but we somehow are miscommunication. I am not saying that Jesus isn't the Morning Star
ths and
principles. So, relying on heretical extra-biblical works produced by
or through a magic talisman bearing peep-stone treasure hunter
disqualifies one from the Body of Christ.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: TruthT
If Baptists did not exist in 1524
What is a Cardinal doing talking about them?
Well I guess if quotes about a supposedly non existant group (baptists) is not enough, I do not know what would be ***SIGH***Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Doesn't matter what you've found,
DH says
"just assuming that you are somehow connected?""From our perspective, our religious roots predate that time frame"
Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please provide some quoutes or data to back up your assertions.DAVEH: Seems to me that you are the one who needs to show your roots,
ne in your eyes?
If not it was originated at this time correct?
What was the date of the origination of the T doctrine?
From: Dave Hansen Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to knowDate: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:0
etical extra-biblical works produced by or through a magic talisman bearing peep-stone treasure hunter disqualifies one from the Body of Christ.PerryFrom: Dave Hansen Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to k
Maine is now Southern???
Dave Hansen wrote:
DAVEH: You tell me, Kevin. You claim to know the roots. I can only
quote that which I've learned.that the First Southern Baptist
Church.
was founded in 1682 and originally organized in Kittery, Maine by
the Rev.
Anyone can steal a word.
Consider the "Church of Jesus Christ" "Church of Christ"
meant to imply they are the ONE!
cath·o·lic (kãth'-lk, kãth'lk) adj.
Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive: The 100-odd pages of formulas and constants are surely the most catholic to be found (Scientific
with truth by hiding the truth we ask for? We ask about one of you ceremonies to better understand your Mormon belief-you refuse? Why are you here?
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave
hy are you here-To help us with truth by hiding the truth we ask for? We ask about one of you ceremonies to better understand your Mormon belief-you refuse? Why are you here?
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Subject: Re:
All Christians can trace their roots back to the time of Constantine.
DAVEH: I think you are a bit off on that comment, DavidM. The RCC and
Protestants not only trace their roots back to the time of Constantine,
but have found themselves huddled beneath the umbrella of doctrines
covered with
Your religion is ambiguous and confusing
DAVEH: Only when described by an anti-Mormon, Perry.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
You are absolutely right, Dave. Your religion is
ambiguous and confusing. If you go completely by what JS said, you
will at the same times have to ignore the erroneaous
If I lack insight and make wrong assumptions, Dave, set me straight.
DAVEH: I've tried to do that in times past, Perry. But despite what
I say, you believe what you want to, irregardless of the truth. Your
intent seems not to care about what LDS theology teaches, but rather
you want to
I am not trying to squeeze you into a corner.
DAVEH: And I realize and appreciate that, Terry. FWIWI do not
consider you to be an anti-Mormon. At least you have not exhibited
such tendencies as far as I can remember.
YesI agree with vs 15. However, the Lord does not always
answer in
When at least are you going to becomeCONSISTENT? : )
DAVEH: Perhaps when you stop being OBNOXIOUS!. :-P
Kevin Deegan wrote:
When at least are you going to becomeCONSISTENT? : )
Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH:
I find it interesting that at times TTers accuse me of
DAVEH: We (LDS) don't discuss much of what happens inside the Temple
outside the Templenot even amongst LDS people who go to the Temple.
So, if TTers want to ask me questions about my beliefs, I'll answer
themregardless of whether they are pro-Mormon or not. However, as
you
Thanks anyway DH I was not sure how you would see the issue.
Now I know.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Oooops.Now I see that it was Kevin who posted the below questions to me. FTRI posted my reply assuming it was John's question.Kevin Deegan wrote:
DH Do you believe that
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As with any incorrect doctrine...it is not what can be found in
Scripture that is congruent with it, but rather that which is in the theory
that is not found in Scripture that defines whether or not it is
doctrinally correct.
Dave, it really
DAVEH: I realize that, Perry. But from my perspective, you are
ignoring that Scripture includes more than just the Bible. To me,
your comment...
You could see it too if you had not been raised to accept the heresy
of the mormon church and close your eyes to the truth of Scripture.
treasure hunter disqualifies one from the Body of Christ.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:45:56 -0800
DAVEH: Did you
Dave, you say, assuming the above website is correct. If it is not
can we accuse you spreading lies?
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Date: Sun
? (Inquiring minds
want to know.)
Perry
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*All Christians can trace their roots back
me straight
on this pale ale thing, Dave. I cannot do what you ask if those who have
the truth won't share it!
Perry
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Date
Scripture includes more than just the Bible
What does it include?
Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: I realize that, Perry. But from my perspective, you are ignoring that Scripture includes more than just the Bible. To me, your comment...You could see it too if you had not been
ths and principles. So, relying on heretical extra-biblical works produced by or through a magic talisman bearing peep-stone treasure hunter disqualifies one from the Body of Christ.PerryFrom: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSu
spreading lies?From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to knowDate: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:51:03 -0800DAVEH: Seems to me that the Southern Baptists may be able to trace their
ct: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to knowDate: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:07:01 -0800*All Christians can trace their roots back to the time of Constantine.*DAVEH: I think you are a bit off on that comment, DavidM. The RCC and Protestants not only trace their roots back to the time of Const
annot do what you ask if those who "have the truth" won't share it!PerryFrom: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to knowDate: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:15:47 -080
SupposeI found a quote about the "Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints" dated 1730? Since there was no LDS Church in 1730 that would be quite a find, to say the least! Here we have a quote from 1524 identifying the Baptists, to attribute the founding of the Baptists to a later date is
I do not trace my baptist roots back to Constantine, nor to the Protestants.
I have provided quotes dated before the reformation (thus they are NOT Protestants)
Those same quotes atribute the baptists back to almost the time of Christ.
You see no problem with tracing LDS "roots" back to the
DAVEH wrote:
If the faith of a believer is all that is needed to gain
the authority to act in God's behalf, then do you
recognize the faith of the believers of the RCC?
Orhow about the faith of the believers in Mormonism?
Whether or not there are believers either in the RCC or Mormonism is
DAVEH wrote:
For anyone to think they were not heavily biased by their RCC affiliation
stretches the imagination.
I would not argue that. I agree with you that the bias existed for them to
accept the Trinity, just as the bias existed for them to accept
transubstantiation, infant baptism,
David Miller wrote:
All Christians can trace their roots back
to the time of Constantine.
DAVEH wrote:
I think you are a bit off on that comment, DavidM.
The RCC and Protestants not only trace their roots
back to the time of Constantine, but have found
themselves huddled beneath the umbrella
The Trinity Doctrine existed long before Constantine
50 AD The Huleatt Manuscript
74 AD The Letter of Barnabas
80 AD Hermas
140 AD Aristides
150 AD Justin Martyr
150 AD Polycarp of Smyrna
160 AD Mathetes
170 AD Tatian the Syrian
177 AD Athenagoras
177 AD Melito of Sardis
180 AD Theophilus of
One substance?
So you want to discuss "homoousios"?
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" Col. 2:9
"I and the Father are one" John 10:30
"Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me" John 14:11
"God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself'' 2Cor.
Please provide some quoutes or data to back up your assertions.
DAVEH: Seems to me that you are the one who needs to show your roots,
Kevin. I've shown you where the Southern Baptists had Protestant
roots. If yours are not Protestant, then to where do you trace your
roots? And...can you
?
From:
Dave Hansen
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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know
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:07:01 -0800
*All Christians can trace their roots back to the time of
Constantine.*
DAVEH: I think you are a bit off
DAVEH: Doesn't matter what you've found, Kevin.either about when
the LDS Church was founded, or how many folks were practicing theology
in the form of baptists as you (or they) perceive them. I quoted you
material that purports to be the roots of the Southern Baptist Church
as being
DAVEH: Perhaps it is similar to Catholicism being talked about prior
to the RCC being founded.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
And what in the world is a Cardinal in 1524 doing
talking about something that did not exist at that time, but was over
100 years in the future?
--
If it is not can we accuse you spreading lies?
DAVEH: No Perry...you can only accuse me of believing a
professed Christian.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, you say, "assuming the above website is
correct." If it is not can we accuse you spreading lies?
DAVEH: Seems to
d the
like. They did not understand that Christ was the end of the law for
righteousness to those who believed.
JD
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DH Do you believe
that the RCC had the truth but
lost it?
Where they the one true church but Apostacized?
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Dave Hansen
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DAVEH: Oooops.Now I see that it was Kevin who posted the
below questions to me. FTRI posted my reply assuming it was John's
question.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DH Do you believe that the RCC had the truth but lost it?
Where they the one true church but Apostacized?
Dean Moore wrote:
cd: Ignorance in our language isn't a bad word or a
put down-it means that one simple doesn't know certain topics or facts.
I am ignorant about many areas of Mormon religion such as what is
Pay-lay ale? Yet I understand that to be the brother of
Dean Moore wrote:
DAVEH: My interjection did not prevent
you from continuing to discuss it with Jeff.
cd: Correct butand in our truth God gives times of
salvation and once rejection is made He may withdraw the light-for a
time or forever-
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
Did not the early apostles (mentioned in the
Bible) possess
the authority of God? Do you know of any who you are
certain had the authority as was given by the Lord who
lived after they (the Biblical apostles) died?
I think St. Martin
David Miller wrote:
DAVEH:
Do you accept that the Reformers adopted it due to their familiarity
with RCC doctrines?
There is no doubt that tradition is a powerful force, even among those
who break away from what they consider to be bad tradition.
Nevertheless, there is evidence that
I can plainly see the T - doctrine in the scriptures
DAVEH: Where do you find one substance in the Bible,
Kevin?
As with any incorrect doctrine...it is not what can be found in
Scripture that is congruent with it, but rather that which is in the
theory that is not found in Scripture
DAVEH: That seems to support my assumption that (modern day) Baptists
are Protestants, as I read it. Do you disagree, DavidM??? If so,
what baptist groups can you point to today that have not descended
from the Protestant Baptists
The word Anabaptism may be used to describe a
DAVEH: Did you not read the WIKI definition I previously provided,
Kevin? DavidM has subsequently provided this one, also from
WIKI
The word Anabaptism may be used to describe a "Protestant"
group baptizing Christians who were baptized in infancy and/or who come
to them from other
DAVEH: Seems to me that the Southern Baptists may be able to trace
their roots to the Rev Wm Screven
The Church was founded in 1682 and originally organized in Kittery,
Maine by the Rev. William Screven.
..according to...
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/charleston/bap.htm
DH Do you believe that the RCC had the truth but lost it?
Where they the one true church but Apostacized?
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DH Do you believe that the RCC had the truth but lost it?
Where they the one true church but Apostacized?
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DH Do you believe that the RCC had the truth but lost it?
Where they the one true church
Thank Paul and Luke. I got most of my info from them.
JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:52:59 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know
Thanks DH!
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It was not a matter of a few "biased" people believing in the Trinity
Thye following Standard Work shows the Trinity and that there is ONE God. (Nowhere in the BoM or anywhere else does it say "One in purpose"
Mosiah 15:1,5 I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among
.
That is an intersting situation.
Perry
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It was not a matter of a few biased
. That is an intersting situation.PerryFrom: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to knowDate: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:14:07 -0800 (PST)It was not a matter of a few "biased
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In Greek Helios is the sun god. In German, this became hellen, from which came the word helder, meaning, "clear" or "shiny." But there is also a sense of "
Of course they are not protestants they existed before the protestant movement.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: I was under the impression that Baptists are Protestants. Here's a WIKI definitionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist.Do you consider them non Protestant,
I don't accept fairy tales.
What ifI gave you a list of Succesive heads of the Baptist church going all the way back to John the Baptist? We would need to have a history of that Church to go along with the names.
As far as Peter how did he become a Pope? There is absolutely no history that the
k bro.
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Sent: 10/30/2005 11:38:19 PM
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In Greek Helios is the sun god. In German, this became hellen, from which came the word helder, meaning,
What ifI gave you a list of Successive heads of the Baptist church
going all the way back to John the Baptist?
DAVEH: Can that be done?
You and I both agree regarding the RCC claim. But, at least they
lay some claim to a historical right to the priesthood authority. Do
you know of another
DAVEH: Then why are they defined as Protestants? When did they
first take on an identity?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Of course they are not protestants they existed before the
protestant movement.
Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH:
I was under the impression that Baptists are
DAVEH: Do you accept that the Reformers adopted it due to their
familiarity with RCC doctrines? IOW, had the RCC folks not been using
it, do you think the Reformers would have taken it as their own doctrine?
BTW.It is not altogether surprising that some early Mormons
believed it,
DAVEH: Do you acknowledge that the shoe could be on the other foot?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
And, Dave, what if that indeed is so!
*what if Dave is deceived and is indeed paying homage to Satan
without knowing it*
DAVEH: Perhaps that is why it's futile to discuss LDS theology with
CD wrote:
... didn't birth of the RCC have roots that trace back
to Constantine I, The great in 306 ad-337ad as he fought
under the Christian flag and Christianity became a national
movement under the proceding Emperors?
All Christians can trace their roots back to the time of Constantine.
Kevin wrote:
Else who were the RCC murdering before the middle ages?
Do you have some particular group in mind?
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)
How can they possibly claim Apostolic succession, when they did not exist?
As far as the Baptists:
200Cardinal Hosius (Catholic, 1524), President of the Council of Trent:
"Were it not that the baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred
Some folks claim baptists come from Holland and Roger Williams, but as I have shown quotes by even enemies of baptists that date them to before the reformation, it can not be so.
So who was the founder of the baptists?
Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DAVEH: Then why are they defined as
I believe the Reformers tried to rely on the scripture alone as best they could.
I can plainly see the T - doctrine in the scriptures so I have no problem with one even discovering it purely from a reading of the scriptures Alone! SOLA SCRIPTURA! NO Church authority or Pope or Tradition or
Thanks DM I hope this clarifies some things AFA the RCC,for DH
David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
CD wrote: ... didn't birth of the RCC have roots that trace back to Constantine I, The great in 306 ad-337ad as he fought under the Christian flag and Christianity became a national movement under
Do you have some particular group in mind?
No particular group other than the RCC was trying to exterminate those that disagreed with RCC doctrine practice. Those being primarily the continuous line of True Believers down thru time. These were folks who could have just said OK whatever you say
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Do you have some particular group in mind?
No particular group other than the RCC was trying to exterminate those
that disagreed with RCC d
DAVEH:
Do you accept that the Reformers adopted it due to their familiarity with
RCC doctrines?
There is no doubt that tradition is a powerful force, even among those who
break away from what they consider to be bad tradition. Nevertheless, there
is evidence that the Reformers believed the
DAVEH:
Did not the early apostles (mentioned in the Bible) possess
the authority of God? Do you know of any who you are
certain had the authority as was given by the Lord who
lived after they (the Biblical apostles) died?
I think St. Martin might be a proper example, but rather than get
Miller.
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Do you have some particular group in mind?
No particular group other than
Dave wrote:
BTW.It is not altogether surprising that some early Mormons
believed it [the Trinity], as most of them came from Protestant stock, and
would have been versed (and biased) in Protestant doctrines.
It was not a matter of a few biased people believing in the Trinity...I
You failed to answer my question, as you often do. Well, what is your
answer?
As for me, no, I am not willing to acknowledge that the shoe could be on the
other foot. I believe the Bible. Do you think the Bible teaches that
Christinas worship Satan? Be areful here...you could be committing
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From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/31/2005 1:54:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know
Dean Moore wrote:
Andyes, you are correct. Sometimes I have had meaningful discussions with you, even
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