you said:
Why even have rules, David, if you have no intention of applying them?You have a
cancer growing in this group. If nothing is done, if there is no responsible
leadership and pastoring here, it will destroy this group JUST AS IT HAS
OTHER GROUPS. Take it to the bank. If you
David: Why not challenge yourself by outlining all that you are able to
affirm in MOC? In saying that you wish to learn from such as Bill and, that
Bill esteems MOC what then did you learn from it? Remember the old song,
Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative?. Were your answer to be
that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/30/2004 10:02:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You might like to know that Elsman learned this
doctrine from Holy
Hubert Lindsey himself. Hubert strongly opposed water baptism,
considering it a great source
Good Morning John and all"
The firebrandisdeluded, he is full of
'religious spirits' and both he and Elsman are verbally abusive. Their language is crude and they go way beyond'speaking the
truth in love' - I would expect to encounter this kind of thingout on the
street. These men have
Hey Perry:
The punk has crossed the line too many times. Cast him out.
Terry
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought
to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If you do not want to receive posts from this list,
Terry/Laura: Jesus is the Way/Truth/Life..Unless you live in complete
isolation, reading only the Bible while pleading for the Spirit's assistance to
understand/live then, you both base (some) of what you believe on the teaching
of others however mediated. a. would you acknowledge that this
Laura wrote:
So Elsman bases his views on Holy Hubert?
Hmm It's dangerous to base your beliefs on a man
right? Or am I wrong?
Terry wrote:
Very dangerous Laura, but I got a hunch
you already knew that.
Yes, you both are right, but if you had ever met Hubert, you would
understand it
Lance wrote:
Unless you live in complete isolation, reading
only the Bible while pleading for the Spirit's
assistance to understand/live then, you both base
(some) of what you believe on the teaching of others
however mediated.
Hi Lance. As you know, I read a lot and enjoy considering
David Miller wrote:
:-) If you think about it, in some ways, Daniel has afforded us some
humor and entertainment, a relief from some of our own tensions over
other issues.
---
David, you have gone off your rocker.
David: Sometimes the greater the man/woman of God the greater the error.
When wrong they were REALLY WRONG!! I used to hear AWTozer preach. He
dreaded being Lionized. He wished for there to be no biography written on
him. He spoke of the eulogistic component of such efforts. This is less true
Lance,
My favorite story about Wigglesworth is the one where one night he was
awakened by the presence of a large dark, evil presence at the foot of his
bed. He sat up and saw that it was satan himself. To which Wigglesworth
said, Oh, it's only you, turned over and went back to sleep. :-)
Good morning Lance.
I do not think that there can be any doubt that we learn from others.
But as Laura pointed out, we do not base what we believe on what others
teach; at least we try to not do that. I am very indebted to the lady
who gave me a Strongs concordance. I did not even know at one
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Laura wrote: So
Elsman bases his views on Holy Hubert?Hmm It's dangerous
to base your beliefs on a "man"right? Or am I wrong?
Terry wrote: Very dangerous Laura, but I got a hunch you already knew
that.
DavidM writes: Yes, you both are right, but if
David,
It seems that Daniel, and those like him, show the danger
of men trying to keep the Law apart from the Holy Spirit. My husband last
night was marveling that such men think that their scriptural authority as men
is license for them to bludgeon womenquite unlike Jesus. Isnt
it
Terry, You are such a man of God.
Your humility shines. Izzy PS I hope you have a good ophthalmologist.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Clifton
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:15
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism:
are
In a message dated 5/1/2004 4:21:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Daniel is new this time around, so I afford him some patience.
But, of course, he is not new at all. "This time around " is just an excuse. Paul was not :longsuffering: as you apply the concept in regard to
Absolutely right on and well stated. Hang in there -- the real men on this site hold you all in great honor (my wife is looking over my shoulder).
God Bless
In a message dated 5/1/2004 4:21:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Subj: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers
Date:
By the way, David, do you remember
asking me once if I would be a moderator on TT? The reason I did not want to do
that is that I do not believe that women should be put in the position of having
to assert authority over men. It goes against our nature. It is only when
men fail to use
In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:48:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Absolutely right on and well stated. Hang in there -- the real men on this site hold you all in great honor (my wife is looking over my shoulder).
Actually, I should have left the attempt at humor out of
Agreed! Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:48
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female
Teachers
Absolutely right on and well stated. Hang in there
-- the
John, We love
your humor. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:56
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female
Teachers
In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:48:06 AM
JT: I'd add an Amen! Blessings, Lance
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 01, 2004 08:47
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female
Teachers
Absolutely right on and well
stated. Hang in there -- the real
See my previous post.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exodus 31 Shabbat
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:59:26 EDT
Perry -- do we have rules or not?
John
In a message dated 4/30/2004 8:16:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Izzy: There's never a cop around when you need one.
I concur with your assessment. Lance
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 01, 2004 08:37
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Longsuffering is
a fruit of the Spirit
David,
Do any of you have children? Were you once
children? Do you observe the children about you? My wife, a school principal,
says that she is rarely surprised upon meeting the parent of a student she's
come to know over time.Blessings, Lance
In a message dated 5/1/2004 8:08:49 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do any of you have children? Were you once children? Do you observe the children about you? My wife, a school principal, says that she is rarely surprised upon meeting the parent of a student she's come to
Daniel wrote:
One of the most common Hebrew words for teach that
is used in scripture is: yara which means
to point out, inform, instruct.
Yeah, but yara has an even stronger connotation than that, which you
seem to ignore, such as shooting someone with an arrow!
Daniel wrote:
FEMALES
Izzy wrote:
John, We love your humor.
Me too! John, you are a pleasure to read.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)
Izzy wrote:
I think the men on TT are like spiritual big brothers
to the women here. I think I should not have been put
in the role of defending the women on this list, but at
some point it had to be done, or TT is not worth my company.
When sweet little Laura started barking back at
I have to forward this on to you, which was sent to me off-line last night
by Dave H. Izzy
attachment: Truth.JPG
DavidM: Maybe we should first talk about how I talk about things.
Elsmanrecently said that I am the nabob of negativism. I asked my
wife aboutthat. "Do you think I am a negative person?" She
said no, but she didsay that I nit pick. She explained what I think
Elsman was trying tosay. I
I got it too Great truth Get with it guys! Laura
Whether we opine, quote scripture, explicate
scripture, quote a book, quote each other with following comment/critique etc.
WE ARE ALL TEACHING. Thus, should one collect all the posts from all the
participants from TT's inception 'til now we would have THE TEACHING OF:Judy,
David, Dave,
Lance, I think sometimes we are teaching,
sometimes we are inquiring, sometimes we are encouraging each other, and
sometimes we are just trying to figure out if we really believe what we think
we do. But it could all look the same, dont you think? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DAVID,
JUST TO SETTLE THE RECORD CLARIFY MY RELATIONSHIP WITH HOLY HUBERT:
1. HUBERT WAS NEVER ON MY RADIO STATION, WHICH IS IN BATTLE CREEK. I PAID $300 PER WEEK FOR HUBERT AND I TO BE ON THE BIG FM CHRISTIAN STATION IN DETROITWMUZ. OVERNIGHT, WE HAD THE MOST POPULAR AND CONTROVERSIAL SHOW
Fascinating! I'd be interested in hearing some of
the CD talks. How may this be accomplished? Blessings, Lance
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 01, 2004 11:44
Subject: [TruthTalk] ELSMAN
HUBERT
DAVID, JUST
TO
In a message dated 5/1/2004 12:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Fascinating! I'd be interested in hearing some of the CD talks. How may this be accomplished? Blessings, Lance
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 01,
GENTS,
THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING ON IT.
THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY AND A HERMENEUTIC. PROOF: THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE GREAT WOMAN THEOLOGIAN IN HISTORY,
Elsman,
I hereby second your motion but rather than proceeding the motion in a democratic
fashion, we should simply pull an Hezekiah or an Yosiah (Josiah) and cast the
women out immediatly without further ado. After all, I doubt if Hezekiah asked the
sodomites if they wanted their houses
Elsman,
I hereby second your motion but rather than proceeding the motion in a democratic
fashion, we should simply pull an Hezekiah or an Yosiah (Josiah) and cast the
women out immediatly without further ado. After all, I doubt if Hezekiah asked the
sodomites if they wanted their houses
David Miller wrote:
David Miller wrote:
If you think about it, in some ways, Daniel has
afforded us some humor and entertainment, a relief
from some of our own tensions over other issues.
Terry wrote:
David, you have gone off your rocker. This
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GENTS,
THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING
ON IT.
THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE
WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY AND A HERMENEUTIC.
PROOF: THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE GREAT WOMAN
In a message dated 5/1/2004 3:01:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT?
I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO
Judy,
I am filled with religous spirits???
Not only should this female not teach -- but it looks like she does not even possess
the gift of discerning spirits.
I exalt the Torah -- the Law -- magnifying every jot and tittle.
You, on the other hand, flagrantly violate I Timothy 2 by
Miller said:
Does
Chris or anybody else in the world think highly of him? I really wonder
about these things. Daniel must be getting very lonely. In many ways,
I pity him.
Daniel responds:
Why not ask Brother Chris, Miller? I am not holding my breath expecting you to
contact him.
Izzy the whore stated:
On the psychology of it: such men are described well in M. Scott Peck's
book, The People of the Lie.
Daniel responds:
Is there any doubt that Izzy is a whore??? She fornicates openly with psychology --
which is nothing more than a replacement for the Holy Spirit.
John said:
But, of course, he is not new at all. This time around is just an
excuse. Paul was not :longsuffering: as you apply the concept in regard to the
imoral young man who was sleeping with his mother. Jesus would not wait ten
seconds with this guy -- not ten seconds. His language is
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Absolutely right on and well stated.Hang in there -- the real men on
this site hold you all in great honor (my wife is looking over my shoulder).
God Bless
Daniel responds:
Ahhh . . . so you are pussy whipped. I knew it! Oh, but wait -- then you
Whore --
Your attempt at false humility does not work.
You make not be the moderator but you sure do act like it with all your huffing and
puffing.
Yes, Perry is right -- I have much golden Truth to share with this forum -- but you
will see none of the gold until the dung of female
Perry stated:
2. I have been communicating with Daniel privately about his distasteful
posts until my public post yesterday about his demeaning and ad-hominem
style. Daniel does not respect people. He would prefer to demean them than
teach them or present sound arguments from scripture.
Miller wrote:
Yeah, but yara has an even stronger connotation than that, which you
seem to ignore, such as shooting someone with an arrow!
Daniel:
Seemed to but I did not. Glad you picked up on it, though! :)
David said:
I agree in terms of the definition and context of yara, and that is
--- Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whether we opine, quote scripture, explicate scripture, quote a book, quote each other
with following comment/critique etc. WE ARE ALL TEACHING. Thus, should one collect all
the posts from all the participants from TT's inception 'til now we would have THE
You've taken offence at references to the
Incarnation of our Lordand Trinitarian theology when none was given. When
offence is given to longstanding participants of TT none is taken. I'm puzzled!
(?) Lance
Terry said:
My advice, based on what I know from studying the Word is, deliver him
to Satan. He should have been stoned when he was a youth. The Pagan
Wolf is a gentleman compared to this clown. The door is always open if
he sees fit to repent, but I do not think we will see that happen
In a message dated 5/1/2004 12:13:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
GENTS, THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE WOMEN BLABBING ON IT. THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN SUCH MATTERS OF THE CHURCH; THEY ARE THE WEAKER VESSEL; THEY DON'T HAVE MINDS FOR THEOLOGY
Naomi was Ruth's Mother in Law according to my Bible. Laura
In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:54:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR IF YOU DO NOT.
ELSMANSTEIN THE LAWYER
How many great and gifted
In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:30:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Daniel responds:
Exactly my point, Lance. Thank you for being one of the few honest enough on this forum to admit that.
And since judy amd izzy and other assorted females are obviously "teaching" in the I
Part V: Colossians 2
Posted by Daniel John Lee on May 01, 2004 at 17:16:24:
Dear Saints,
Joyous Shabbat Shalom Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua!!!
And happy 28th Omer!!! Just a little more than 20 days until the Feast of
Pentecost HALLALUYAH!!
We now move onto part 5 on this
Never called your mother-in-law mom before?
Can you females ever make a point
ROFL
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TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies.
http://www.thefreesite.com
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
In a message dated 5/1/2004 5:59:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John,
I am not sure what you mean by "wake up", but I will assume you mean
"read Daniel Lee's posts and moderate them?"
Absolutely
1. I do not hover over the computer clicking refresh every 10 seconds
In a message dated 5/1/2004 6:08:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do any of you have children? Were you once children? Do you observe the children about you? My wife, a school principal, says that she is rarely surprised upon meeting the parent of a student she's come to
In a message dated 5/1/2004 6:23:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Izzy wrote:
John, We love your humor.
Me too! John, you are a pleasure to read.
Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
Thank you DavidM. Kind words and i do appreciate them.
J
In a message dated 5/1/2004 7:40:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
got it too Great truth Get with it guys! Laura
Is this why my wife lovingly calls me "catman?"
John
In a message dated 5/1/2004 2:10:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Johnny boy -- no one in their right mind would ever take you seriously. You need a diaper change -- your shit (dung that violates Yah's word) is seeping out down your legs.
Yes. I see it now. There is hope
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CAN WE ELIMINATE WOMEN FROM THIS FORUM?
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 11:57:26 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GENTS,
THIS FORUM WILL ALWAYS BE IN CHAOS , AS LONG AS WE
TOLERATE
I have been lurking still in the background and now cannot help it but see
that some are intimidated by the female gender being teachers when it comes
to spiritual matters.
And of course I will speak my piece upon the matter.
Out of respect I will forgo the Pagan argument that divinity is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP AND THROW THE BONDSWOMEN OUT?
I DO SO MOTION THIS FORUM HEREBY, I.E. MEN ONLY!!! YOU WILL
NOT AGREE TO IT, BUT I HAVE PROPHESIED THAT TT WILL NOT EXIST IN ONE YEAR
IF YOU DO NOT.
DAVEH:
IF that prophesy does not come true Elsman, will
I have never heard more humanistic pagan drivel in my entire, young life.
Although this female does prove an EXCELLEBT POINT --
Notice this godless, wicked, woman sides with the Miller crowd and the feminists.
She does NOT side with me -- who is grounded in HOLY SCRIPTURE.
Very revealing
I keep getting these emails lately on TT
that do not show the email they are responding to. Is that a problem with my
computer, or are you folks forgetting to attach the email you are responding
to? Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Daniel,
I find it so hard to beleive that you can mix your righteous attitude
with profanity and demeaning remarks. There is something seriously wrong
with this picture...like you want to be holy and righteous, but you also
want to be a naughty boy.
I have no problems, as moderator, or as
David Miller wrote:
I think the rule applies to Daniel, and I have said such several times.
I have not changed my position on that. Perry has been away,
but he is
moderator and may do what he thinks is best. Maybe he has already
added
Daniel to the kill list. Maybe he is trying to figure out
Bingo!
Is the problem, then, not that Daniel reproduced but that his parents did?
John
TPW, You are my most favorite Pagan. It was nice talking to you when David
had the chatline. Although, true to your gender, all you seemed to tune in
for was hitting on the chicks that came by. :-) Izzy
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dear Perry,
Joyous Shabbat Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua!!!
Yes, it is still sabbath here on the West Coast -- sun is still an hour away from
setting.
Perry -- when you read Ezekiel 23, you will read SOME EXTREMLY LEWD LANGUAGE that
the prophet composed. In fact, in those
Izzy: TPW, You are my most favorite Pagan. It was nice talking to you when
David had the chatline. Although, true to your gender, all you seemed to
tune in for was hitting on the chicks that came by. :-)
TPW: what can I say, I am a hopeless romantic...
--- ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TPW, You are my most favorite Pagan. It was nice talking to you when David
had the chatline. Although, true to your gender, all you seemed to tune in
for was hitting on the chicks that came by. :-) Izzy
Daniel responds:
Look at what the whore izzy is
Look at what the whore izzy is doing now. My, my. She is actually cozying up
to a professing YHVH hater and a pagan. Wow. Then she makes light of his lustful
attitude.
Izzy is definetley a whore in every sense of the scriptural word. Wow. My
discernment is sharp as a tack,
Daniel bellowed:
Look at what the whore izzy is doing now. My, my. She is actually
cozying
up to a professing YHVH hater and a pagan. Wow. Then she makes light of
his
lustful attitude.
Izzy is definetley a whore in every sense of the scriptural word. Wow.
My
discernment is sharp
--- Arsene Lupin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel bellowed:
Look at what the whore izzy is doing now. My, my. She is actually
cozying
up to a professing YHVH hater and a pagan. Wow. Then she makes light of
his
lustful attitude.
Izzy is definetley a whore in every sense of the
\o/ !HALALU Yah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of
YahShua !
"There is nothing wrong with your
monitor. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission.
If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it
softer, we will tune
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