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Never mind. If the cell is storing energy then the temperature has to fall since there is less energy that can be dissipated as heat. Also the input power would have to increase to prevent the temperature from falling but it was constant so this another reason to reject the storage hypothesis.

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I'm confused. The third paragraph on page 2 says the cell is intended to operate with constant input power. Wouldn't that tend prevent the temperature from spontaneously falling (due to energy storage) and only permit a spontaneous rise in temperature? Harry On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:23 PM, H

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Pretty interesting Axil. Still reading. I did find a more up-to-date paper on the magnetic susceptibility of PdH & PdD but this time with a larger range of loading C > 0.8 H per Pd. Yes, funny you should mention Superconductivity... I'll let the title of the article speak for itself.

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More details... *The* *Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction produces magnetic knots under the influence of an unbalanced magnetic field.* I need to read this paper to see how this all works. *http://web.science.uu.nl/itf/Teaching/2014/2014vanDijk.pdf

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More details... The function of the electromagnetic shock is to change the state of the magnetic system so that the spin of that system is converted to anisotropic. The magnetism inherent to a system like the Golden balls by Cravins is already anisotropic. There might be other magnetic systems

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I would value an example or two that will support this assertion. On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > >> To the best of my understanding, the LENR reaction is a two step process. >> First, the heat of the system

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Axil Axil wrote: > To the best of my understanding, the LENR reaction is a two step process. > First, the heat of the system must be turned into an amplified spin system. > Then this spin system us TRIGGED by the application of a strong EMP pulse > that could be either light

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d not result in energetic particles or EM radiation, but only >>>> phonic (spin) energy spread across the entire lattice. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> With proper resonant coupling and many BEC within a single lattice a >>>> larger, more energ

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ic particles or EM radiation, but only >>> phonic (spin) energy spread across the entire lattice. >>> >>> >>> >>> With proper resonant coupling and many BEC within a single lattice a >>> larger, more energetic, reaction occurs releasing enough phoni

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pling and many BEC within a single lattice a >> larger, more energetic, reaction occurs releasing enough phonic energy to >> destroy the lattice or to create a bosenova. >> >> >> >> The reactions suggested above seem to fit observations from Pd system >> LENR testing IMH

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t;> >> The reactions suggested above seem to fit observations from Pd system >> LENR testing IMHO. >> >> >> >> Bob Cook. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *CB Sites <cbsit...@gmail.com> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 13,

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ook. > > > > > > *From: *CB Sites <cbsit...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:49 PM > *To: *vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature > > > > I'm kind of late on this, but

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. Bob Cook. From: CB Sites<mailto:cbsit...@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 3:49 PM To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature I'm kind of late on this, but would spin conservation do what Ed Storm asked? &

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LENR theorists have been looking for the special particle that can absorb high energy from a nuclear reaction for years. That particle has been given many names over the year, but for me that special particle is the polariton, a particle made of light. On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 8:04 PM, CB Sites

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Y.E. Kim also has an interesting theory paper that demonstrates the possibility of a high temperature BEC for the hydrons. I think it was constrained in a lattice as well. I always thought that would be an excellent research topic, the formation of hydron BECS in solids, there detection and

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I'm kind of late on this, but would spin conservation do what Ed Storm asked? "However, why would only a few hydrons fuse leaving just enough unreacted hydrons available to carry all the energy without it producing energetic radiation? I would expect occasionally,many hydrons would fuse leaving

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Magnetic-monopole transformation seen in ultracold gas [image: Artist's impression of the monopole transition] Poles apart: artist's impression of the monopole transition

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http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2017/jun/12/superfluid-polaritons-seen-at-room-temperature Superfluid polaritons seen at room temperature the polaritons behave like a fluid that can flow without friction around obstacles, which were formed by using a laser to burn small holes in the

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That paper is gone from Y.E. Kim's faculty page at Purdue. I found it on lenr-forum.com Theoretical Analysis and Reaction Mechanisms for Experimental Results of Hydrogen-Nickel Systems https://www.lenr-forum.com/attachment/391-iccf-18-jcmns-kh-pre-1-pdf/ Purdue Nuclear and Many-Body

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And now, bringing Bosenovas back to BECs, LENR, Y.E. Kim http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/ICCF-18-JCMNS-KH-Pre-1.pdf Här är några utdrag: Abstract*—Experimental results for anomalous heat effect and super magnetic field observed for hydrogen-Nickel systems are described.

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Researchers have the bosenova blues A technique that brings the quantum world up to everyday sizeshas physicists scratching their heads. Jeremy Thomson http://www.nature.com/news/2001/010319/full/news010322-3.html [image: lbert Einstein postulated the existence of BECs in 1924]lbert Einstein

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I like where this is headed, especially when looking at it in a 1 dimensional viewpoint. The bosenova 'explosion' has been witnessed but no one really knows what caused it nor where the energy came from to drive all that matter away. Seems like 1 or 2 fusion events might be enough energy to do it.

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Kevin— Thanks for that instructive review. It seems that Storms was worried about a fast reaction of the BEC’s. Ball lightening or Bosenovas may in fact be a reaction close to what Storms was worried about in the thread of 2013 you have found. The following link addresses the possibility of

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I found it. This is the thread also where Ed Storms and I went a few rounds. [Vo]:BEC transforms photon frequency Inbox x Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com via eskimo.com 5/27/13 to vortex-l This paper verifies that a photon eradiated

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This might be the reference but I'm not certain. Axil Axil 2/9/14 to vortex-l regarding MIT Cold Fusion IAP 2014 Friday January 31, 2014 (Full Lecture) A lot of time was spent looking for a two level receiver that can split up a gamma photon into many low energy photons.

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Water can shove its head through a rock by dripping on it relentlessly. And softer materials can wear down harder materials if given time. On the nanoparticle scale, perhaps all that's needed is a few billion iterations to get tunneling, and that can happen in a matter of milliseconds or maybe

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There is experimental evidence in the form of Luttinger Liquids. Those are "real" and established laboratory particle exchanges. Basically it means that liquids form at temperatures much higher than previously thought when they are 1 dimensional. On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Jones Beene

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he entire coherent system—the nickel lattice. >>> >>> >>> >>> The nickel latticed is cooled by some mechanism or mechanisms. IMHO Li >>> vapor and hydrogen gas or Cooper pairs of hydrogen are part of a convective >>> cooling medium surrounding ea

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That super absorption sounds familiar. There was a study done with lattices that thermalized gamma rays and broke them down into X-rays according to the number "N" of the items in the lattice. I'll try to find it. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > A

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znidar...@aol.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Thu, Jun 8, 2017 9:46 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature > > Why is a Bose Condensate needed? Its a matter of size and energy. The > smaller the size of something we want

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Explaining complex ideas in a simple way takes real talent in writing and requires lots of practice. Thanks for the opportunity to benefit from that practice. On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM, wrote: > In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:52:08 -0400: > Hi,

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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:52:08 -0400: Hi, This explanation makes a lot more sense than what you originally said. [snip] >Two particles do not pass through each other, they become identical and >their wave functions combine in constructive interference. > >The

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Two particles do not pass through each other, they become identical and their wave functions combine in constructive interference. The process is as follows: Two different particles come to share all charctoristics, These two particles become on superparticle. Over time, this superparticle

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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 12 Jun 2017 01:25:05 -0400: Hi, My point was that if particles could pass through one another like superposing waves do, then the particles of your head should be able to pass through the particles in the wall without resistance. You stated that particles

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From: H LV<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:23 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature Ok, the numbers in this paper rule out the possibility of energy storage during th

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50% chance of emerging entropic branes bringing rain today... On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The standard model is wrong. Gravity fits into a LENR based theory where > ALL the forces of nature are Entropic. All the fundamental forces > including gravity

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The standard model is wrong. Gravity fits into a LENR based theory where ALL the forces of nature are Entropic. All the fundamental forces including gravity are not fundamental but instead they all emerge like gravity from entanglement. On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:49 AM, CB Sites

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Verlinde's new theory of gravity passes first test December 16, 2016 https://phys.org/news/2016-12-verlinde-theory-gravity.html More information: Margot M. Brouwer et al. First test of Verlinde's theory of Emergent Gravity using Weak Gravitational Lensing measurements, Monthly Notices of the

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You know what Axil. The Entropic Gravity theory was one of the few theories that made me step back and made me do a double take and change my view of how gravity works. It's not a coincidence that gravity just doesn't fit into standard model. If gravity is due to entropic forces of an occupied

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Here is the description of entropic force and why there is not dark matter particle,,,hydrino. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropic_gravity LENR will prove this theory and change science and cosmology. On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:10 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > When particles

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We were talking about a particle passing through a wall not superposition. Particles can pass through a wall lock stock and barrel via tunneling. See https://www.livescience.com/20380-particles-quantum-tunneling-timing.html SKIP Sometimes, particles can pass through walls. Though it sounds

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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:40:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] >You are correct. This concept is called tunneling. That's not what you drew. What you drew was superposition of waves. That happens all the time on a macroscopic scale. Most obviously in the sea on a windy day. Also

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When particles are entangled, they are connected to each other by a wormhole that circumvents normal space time correlations. see https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/context/new-einstein-equation-wormholes-quantum-gravity Space time is now believed to be connected through long range entanglement.

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In reply to bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:19:54 +: Hi Bob, [snip] >Robin— >It’s the last sentence in the introduction that is pertinent. It makes the >point that the BEC >Can be described by a wave function as if it were a single particle. Not exactly "as if".

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You are correct. This concept is called tunneling. There is alway some probability that you can pass through a wall. That probability does down as a function of the number of particles in your body but that probability is always non zero. A single particle has a good chance of tunneling through a

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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:53:59 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Entanglement is not subject to space time. A particle is a wave function that >can combine with another identical wave function copies to produce a new wave >function that is double the magnitude of each original

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Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 1:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature Axil Axil wrote: The polariton is the exception to Jones' conjecture. The polariton is of

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tps://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 1:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature Gents, A different and may

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Cook mix...@bigpond.com<mailto:mix...@bigpond.com> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 12:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature In reply to bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22

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Axil Axil wrote: The polariton is the exception to Jones' conjecture. The polariton is of boson not subject to the Pauli principle and can form a BEC at any temperature. But the polariton is a quasi-particle, meaning "less than real" if not imaginary. Nevertheless, the argument is

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The polariton is the exception to Jones' conjecture. The polariton is of boson not subject to the Pauli principle and can form a BEC at any temperature. The electons that are part of the polariton are all syntonized in a dipole oscillation and the photons are contained in a whispering gallery wave

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Gents, A different and maybe clearer wording of what Robin is saying is that the collective quantum "state" in a packed palladium matrix, which could lead to an overlap of location if it were perfect, is never really localized in 3 space, due to macro movement of earth in orbit around a Sun

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Entanglement is not subject to space time. A particle is a wave function that can combine with another identical wave function copies to produce a new wave function that is double the magnitude of each original identical wave functions. The addition of wave functions is true for any BEC on "N"

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In reply to bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22:47:12 +: Hi, [snip] >Robin— > > >In reply to your message of Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:15:51 > > >My suggestion about allowable locations for Bose particles reflects the >Introduction below form >The following document noted by

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ging potential energy >> into kinetic, in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics and >> reflecting what happens in coherent systems involved in LENR. >> >> >> >> Bob Cook >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from

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t; > > Bob Cook > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Friday, June 9, 2017 7:47 PM > *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject

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involved in LENR. Bob Cook Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: H LV<mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 7:47 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condens

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skimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature In reply to bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:15:51 +: Hi, [snip] >To add to Axil’s comments, it is my understanding that Bose particles (0 or >+/- integral intrinsic spin) can occu

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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:07 AM, H LV wrote: > animation explaining Joule's apparatus and his calculations. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yOhSIAIPRE > > Harry > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 11:43 PM, H LV wrote: >> >> >> Joule's apparatus used a

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition https://phys.org/news/2015-01-atoms.html Atoms can be in two places at the same time One atom can also interfere with itself. https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/62343/can-an-electron-interact-with-itself-to-create-interference On

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In reply to bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:15:51 +: Hi, [snip] >To add to Axil’s comments, it is my understanding that Bose particles (0 or >+/- integral intrinsic spin) can occupy the same energy states in a coherent >system. This implies that that it is

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clumping conditions, and the >> cooling system suggested by the above conceptual reactor design is the >> reason why LENR+ has taken so long for folks with small budgets to succeed. >> >> >> >> Bob Cook >> >> >> >> >> >&g

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t; > > > *From: *Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, June 8, 2017 9:54 AM > *To: *vortexallows for-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature > > > > A Bose condinsate brings sup

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nap...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 9:54 AM To: vortexallows for-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature A Bose condinsate brings super radiance and super absorption into play. These mechanisms produce concentrat

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On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:42 AM, H LV wrote: > > On Jun 7, 2017 10:06 AM, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > > > > H LV wrote: > > > >> > >> Joule's apparatus used a spindle with paddles which was turned by a > falling weight outside the

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A Bose condinsate brings super radiance and super absorption into play. These mechanisms produce concentration, storage, and amplification of low level energy and goes as "N", the number of items in the condinsate. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Frank Znidarsic wrote: >

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Why is a Bose Condensate needed? Its a matter of size and energy. The smaller the size of something we want to see the more energy it takes. Using low energy radar you will never be able to read something as small as this text. You need to go to UV energies to study atoms. Higher ionizing

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On Jun 7, 2017 10:06 AM, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > > H LV wrote: > >> >> Joule's apparatus used a spindle with paddles which was turned by a falling weight outside the calorimeter. The motion of the falling weight did not result in the generation of

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H LV wrote: > Joule's apparatus used a spindle with paddles which was turned by a > falling weight outside the calorimeter. The motion of the falling weight > did not result in the generation of potential energy. > That was a different experiment. I was referring to one

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I think I found the reference to the endothermic process, Y E Kim was using it in some discussions. ... https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg65963.html Endothermic Alpha Capture On Tuesday, June 6, 2017, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Jones, isn't there an

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It could also mean that one way to get LENR reactions started is with the endothermic alpha capture process. On Monday, June 5, 2017, Axil Axil wrote: > MORE... > > In this Focardi >

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Even Ed Storms admitted there was SOME radiation in LENR cells, just a thousand or million times too little. On Monday, June 5, 2017, wrote: > In reply to Kevin O'Malley's message of Mon, 5 Jun 2017 02:01:26 -0700: > Hi, > [snip] > >Yes it can. When 2 d's fuse and emit a

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Jones, isn't there an endothermic reaction with d-d that releases a gamma ray? On Tuesday, June 6, 2017, Jones Beene wrote: > Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I suppose the cathode might have been storing and releasing heat at the > same time, but how could you tell with a

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Jones, isn't "stored nuclear energy " a new concept? If you fission/split an atom, are you releasing its stored energy? And hence, aren't all the modes of storing nuke energy known? On Tuesday, June 6, 2017, Jones Beene wrote: > No, your conclusion is both wrong and

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animation explaining Joule's apparatus and his calculations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yOhSIAIPRE Harry On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 11:43 PM, H LV wrote: > > > Joule's apparatus used a spindle with paddles which was turned by a > falling weight outside the calorimeter.

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On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jones Beene wrote: > > No ! You seem to be confusing chemistry with nuclear reactions. Heat is >> not being stored but altered reactants are. >> > > Incorrect. Any method of storing energy --

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Jones Beene wrote: > You are intentionally obfuscating. When hydrogen or deuterium are > densified by giving up angular momentum of the electron orbital - heat is > released. That heat shows up in the excess heat of the reaction along with > nuclear heat, if there is any. >

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Jed Rothwell wrote: No ! You seem to be confusing chemistry with nuclear reactions. Heat is not being stored but altered reactants are. Incorrect. Any method of storing energy -- chemical, mechanical, electrical or nuclear -- must result in a heat deficit. You are intentionally

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Jones Beene wrote: No ! You seem to be confusing chemistry with nuclear reactions. Heat is not > being stored but altered reactants are. > Incorrect. Any method of storing energy -- chemical, mechanical, electrical or nuclear -- must result in a heat deficit. All energy

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Jed Rothwell wrote: One expected effect of an experiment which is both storing and releasing excess heat at the same time would be a period of so-called heat-after-death following shut-down. That would only be true if the experiment stored more heat than it releases. That never

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Axil Axil wrote: Holmlid needs to pump energy into the ultra dense hydrogen for weeks before mesons begin to be detected. But after that energy was loaded, exposure to lab lights were enough to feed meson production. Now that you mention it - there is a good chance that Holmlid could almost

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Jones Beene wrote: > One expected effect of an experiment which is both storing and releasing > excess heat at the same time would be a period of so-called > heat-after-death following shut-down. > That would only be true if the experiment stored more heat than it

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I seem to remember Jones remarking how difficult that replicating Holmlid's experiment was because Holmlid needs to pump energy into the ultra dense hydrogen for weeks before mesons begin to be detected. But after that energy was loaded, exposure to lab lights were enough to feed meson production.

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Jed Rothwell wrote: I suppose the cathode might have been storing and releasing heat at the same time, but how could you tell with a calorimeter? One expected effect of an experiment which is both storing and releasing excess heat at the same time would be a period of so-called

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Jones Beene wrote: > Yes... but you still do not get the logical error you are making. > > In any run where there is net gain, there can be regions of heat deficit > which are masked by the overall gain. You cannot assume a homogeneous > electrode. > If there were regions

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Jed Rothwell wrote: The data says nothing about ongoing nuclear changes which could have reduced the apparent gain in those runs with apparent gain . . . Any nuclear or chemical change must result in a heat deficit. There is no significant heat deficit. Yes... but you still do not

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Jones Beene wrote: No, your conclusion is both wrong and short-sighted - and apparently you > forgot to actually look at the data and go on memory. > > The data in the last Table shows that in run 2, 5.5 MJ of input was > unaccounted for and could have been stored. You

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No, your conclusion is both wrong and short-sighted - and apparently you forgot to actually look at the data and go on memory. The data in the last Table shows that in run 2, 5.5 MJ of input was unaccounted for and could have been stored. You clearly missed that, but it is the tip of the

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I wrote: > Energy storage is ruled out because *the data shows that no energy was > stored*. The balance was zero. There was no endothermic phase. There > would have to be such a phase if energy was stored. > You see this with any kind of energy storage, because all energy converts to heat. For

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Jones Beene wrote: > Any calorimeter that can measure a positive exothermic reaction of X watts > can measure an endothermic reaction of -X watts equally well. > > Energy storage is ruled out. > > > Not really ruled out. Let's be exact: energy storage by the conventional >

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In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:24:45 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Hi Robin, > >Yes but your Geiger counter is covering a wide spectrum, and the 1000 >counts are mostly at the low end... whereas the Focardi peak was fairly >sharp at 1.5 MeV if memory serves. > >That is an anomaly

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Ok, the numbers in this paper rule out the possibility of energy storage during the experiment. . However, as I recall there is a story floating around that a certain batch of Pd from the supplier seemed to work best. If that is true then the energy storage might have happened prior to the

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Jed Rothwell wrote For experiment 4, the excess heat lasted 70 days. The total experiment duration was 123 days. If there was a storage phase, it lasted 53 days. This would show up as an endothermic reaction, which would reduce power output by much more than the exothermic reaction that

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Please review the numbers in the paper, which is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RouletteTresultsofi.pdf For experiment 4, the excess heat lasted 70 days. The total experiment duration was 123 days. If there was a storage phase, it lasted 53 days. This would show up as an endothermic

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

To be realistic, if the output heat was consistently showing up as say 85% of input electrical power, then naturally the experimenter must "recalibrate" to show it as roughly even... After all, the accepted assumption is that input energy can't disappear or be stored, right? H LV wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

and nickel may simply indicate that they are sub optimal magnetic hosts. From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:47 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Tempe

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

Yes, but how to square this with the fact that the input energy balanced the output energy during the prep time. Could the combined margin error in both the input and output measurements allow for the storage of enough energy during the prep time? harry On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Jones

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

More on gamma from LENR from Ed Storms https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/ba21/eab904a52374a7fd9a10a498bcff62f82552.pdf On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > More on gamma from LENR > > http://coldfusion3.com/blog/smoking-gun-of-lenr- >

Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature

More on gamma from LENR http://coldfusion3.com/blog/smoking-gun-of-lenr-fleischmann-project-results-duplicated-in-one-day-celani-cell-verified-as-lenr-device On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > In an experimental series performed by Piantelli, he observed

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