Re: e-smith

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:56:15PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> 
> > I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on
> > the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a "complete, easy to use and
> > install server/gateway system" that "manages mail, firewalling,
> > file-sharing, prinintg - everything you need from your server".
> 
> Bleah.
> 
Whilst it might not be what you're looking for, it is what any number of
small business are crying out for (even if they don't know it yet ).

Now personally I'd rather hand build a box using FreeBSD but I can appreciate
someone having a go at producing a 'packaged' solution.

Once I have a spare box, I'll probably give e-smith a looksie, just to see
if it can teach me anything.

Neil.
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Re: YAPC::Europe (Ignore this request)

[Neil Ford]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 03:30:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Struan Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > * at 15/06 14:41 +0100 Greg McCarroll said:
> > > 
> > > Ok, ignore this request now. Also thanks to Simon Wilcox. for helping me out 
> > > here.
> > > 
> > > I also believe others are flying on this flight, so it looks like we have
> > > the official flight for London.pm ;-) and thanks to Jouke we can claim
> > > to have an official London.pm hotel - with minibars and minigolf
> > 
> > somehow i just can't see "offical hotel of london.pm" being used in
> > the marketing material...
> 
> "site of the 2001 mini golf riot"
> 
> may not go down well either, i'm not curious how much of the hotel
> we can take up
> 
> will we get our own floor?
> 
> do we have enough airports to give us a private lan?
> 
If we did, who'd pick up the phone bill?

If I pack enough laptops we could have our own irc server though :-)

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Re: YAPC::Europe

[Neil Ford]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:17:53AM +0100, Dean wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 06:56:35PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
> > Plane tickets are currently 37 quid return via easyjet...
> 
> Are there any plans for a group of London PMer's to fly over together or is
> the whole thing going to be ad hoc? 
> 
Needing to get things sorted, we've booked our flights already. I know at
least one other London.pmer is on the same flight as us (Easyjet from
Gatwick, 14:45 Wednesday 1st).

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Re: [fwd] Group booking AC Hotel

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 05:05:53PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> For those not on the yapc europe mailing list.
> (you will need to subscribe to register interest in this though).
> 
> Neil.
> 
For anyone interested, here's a URL on the hotel (it's long I'm afraid).

http://www.bookings.nl/hotels/acamsterdam?area_key=city&avail_key=on&class=3&class_key=on&id=11&lang=uk&offers_key=on&place=Amsterdam&sbd=1&sbm=8&sed=6&sem=8&state=The+Netherlands&x=77&y=10&via=search

Neil.

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[fwd] Group booking AC Hotel

[Neil Ford]

For those not on the yapc europe mailing list.
(you will need to subscribe to register interest in this though).

Neil.

- Forwarded message from Jouke Visser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:34:10 +0200
From: Jouke Visser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Group booking AC Hotel

As posted before, if anyone wants to use the possibility of a discount hotel-booking, 
please reply to the list. If we get enough people to stay for enough nights, we can 
get a group discount.

Jouke Visser
YAPC::Europe Sponsoring


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Re: YAPC::Europe Registration

[Neil Ford]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:57:51AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> 
> I see that registration for YAPC::Europe has opened.
> 
> 
> 
> They've also accepted both my "Perl for the People" and "Creating Data
> Output Files Using the Template Toolkit" talks :)
> 
> Dave...
> 
So who's registered then? ;-)

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[fwd] Fwd: [Gllug] Geeknic - 17th June

[Neil Ford]

- Forwarded message from Gordon Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:24:11 +0100
From: Gordon Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: The Squack Shaque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fwd: [Gllug] Geeknic  - 17th June


Fowarded with permission. Please rdist widely

Gordo


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Gllug] Geeknic  - 17th June
>Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:28:05 +0100
>
>The Geeknic is planned for Sunday 17th June.
>Please, please  publicise this to all the lists and newsgroups you know.
>
>The more the merrier!
>
>What - the Geeknic is a Geek Picnic.
>
>Date - Sunday 17th June
>
>Time - 12:30  onwards (I thought of 12:00 but that might be too early)
>
>Place - General Wolff's Statue, adjacent to the Observatory, Greenwich
>Park
> (this is a terrace overlooking London, right next to the
>one o'clock time signal)
>
>Bring - picnic food, cool drinks, and lashings of ginger beer
>Plus sun screen and hats (ha! bet it rains)
>
>Activities - bring frisbees, softball, kites, nerf guns and any other
>fun things to do.
>
>Alternate activities - there is a craft market in Greenwich, and nice
>restaurants and pubs for later on
>
>Computing - palmtops and laptops OK, but these shouldn't form the focus
>of the day.
>   I may well have a car there, so we could
>consider hauling in a power supply.
>
>Facilities - there are toilets in the park, plus ice cream stands and a
>rather pricey cafe
>
>How to find us - follow the sign of the Inflatable Penguin
>(seriously though, we should be in the
>vicinity of the observatory. IT won't be too hard to
>  spot a bunch of geeks and inflatable
>penguins in Greenwich Park)
>
>
>If you are unsure about finding the place, we can swap mobile numbers
>off list.
>
>
>
>
>--
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>http://list.ftech.net/mailman/listinfo/gllug

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Sony Clie (was Re: Social meet)

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
> From: "Greg McCarroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> >
> > i'm 07957 386 815
> >
> > i'm also going to be free this afternoon after about 2 ish (ill
> > switch the phone on then) so if anyone wants to meet up before
> > the meeting give me a bell
> 
> Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA.
> Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop,
> or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138.
> 
> /Robert
> 
I would strongly suggest you check out the Palm M500/505 as they come in the
lovely Palm V form factor but have an expansion slot (taking both Secure
Digital and Multimedia cards)
http://www.palm.com/products/accessories/expansioncards/

or alternatively the Handera (formerly TRG) 330, which uses the Palm III
form factor, supports existing Palm III peripherals but has both a Compact
Flash and a SD slot for expansion!
http://www.handera.com/

Oh yeah, and it's got a real speaker :-)

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Re: BUFFY - SPOILERS , DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN SKY 1 LAST NIGHT

[Neil Ford]

On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 04:45:45PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 08:19:56AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 07:47:00AM +0100, Greg McCarroll 
>([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* 
> > > *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* 
> > > *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Well what about last night? Buffy no more? Well I'm pretty sure she
> > > will be back, my reasoning - they played the normal end of show credits/
> > > theme tune, if they had of killed the character off, there would of been
> > > a special ending. Mind you, when I explained this theory to the wife she
> > > used the phrase ``clutching at straws''
> > 
> > Well, how about the argument that SMG has singed up for two more series?
> > 
> I've been told (*prays this is not true*) that SMG signed up for two
> more series but has a clause that if Univeral Pictures produce it she
> is not oblidged to do them (as apparently she didn't want to work for
> Universal).
> 
> So, this could be an ending to make sure she and Univeral have
> time to work it out...
> 
> i just hope I have been mis-informed.
> 
Trying to remember where I read this (probably Heat) but SMG *had* said she
wouldn't stay with the show if it moved from WB to UPN. 

Quick bit of digging and I've found the following;
[Heat Magazine, 19-25 May 2001]
"The producers of Buffy, Fox TV, have offered ridiculous soundbites to justify
switching TV networks in the US. The WB, home to Buffy since it's inception,
did not match the "passion" and "vision" demonstrated by rival network UPN,
which has secured the show for two years. The fact that UPN bid a total of
$22 million more than WB wasn't mentioned by Fox.

"UPN sontinued to show it's "vision" and "passion" with the $50,000 gift
baskets it sent eight Buffy cast regulars to welcome them to their new
network - which included Cristal champagne and a Cartier watch, Sarah
Michelle Gellar - who once said she'd quit Buffy if it left WB, then retracted
the comments - was given a Gucci necklace."

Heat may not always be the most reliable rag, but it's ususally fairly
accurate on this stuff.

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Re: bad greg

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 06:49:58PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 10:17:47AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> > Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > 
> > > 100 x "I must check the spelling of people's surnames before hitting send"
> > 
> > I think you'll find that that only works if you do it the other way
> > around. 
> 
> That depends on what you mean by "works".  It's not, possibly
> surprisingly, an error.
> 
One should also bear in mind that I don't do Perl ;-) So in english it
worked just fine.

:-) <-(for good measure)

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Re: bad greg

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 10:00:22AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> > On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives
> > > of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain
> > > name registry with a neat web based management system for handling
> > > the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the
> > > url?
> > www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk
> > FreeBSD users, Debian committers, OpenSRS registry (can do .co.uk's too),
>   ^
> are they??
> 
Jonathan is a regular on the FreeBSD UK User Group list, so I do belive he
uses it for something (or it's just idle curiosity).

> > recommended to me by Mr Couzens, at least one other person on this list
> > co-los with them, they have clue, all-round nice guys.
> 
> Wonder who that would be then. :)
>
It was a "I can't quite remember" day yesterday, hence the veiled reference.
And as you said, I would probably have got your name wrong :-)

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Re: bad greg

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 11:09:28PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> > Mr Couzens
> 
> Die, alien slime!
> 
My apologies was typed in a hurry on a tube train and I didn't double
check before it got sent when I got home.

100 x "I must check the spelling of people's surnames before hitting send"

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Re: [PUB] Possible candidate

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 10:00:05AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> Was meandering aimlessly round by Southwark/ Blackfriar's Bridge/ Tate
> Modern area last night and ended up in a very nice pub by the river
> called Doggets Coat and Badge. I have the manager's business card at
> home.
> 
> Nice beer (Speckled Hen, IPA, Pride), quiet, by the river, tasteful
> decor, few stairs, mercifully Barley free. Named after the oldest rowing
> race in the world (or vice versa) which started in 1721 and is still
> raced today.
> 
Only one question food?

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Re: bad greg

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 08:27:19AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> i'm sorry about asking this, but i've purged too many old archives
> of london.pm to find this one - someone one once mentioned a domain
> name registry with a neat web based management system for handling
> the dns wizardry afterwards - could they please remind me of the
> url?
> 
www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk

FreeBSD users, Debian committers, OpenSRS registry (can do .co.uk's too),
recommended to me by Mr Couzens, at least one other person on this list
co-los with them, they have clue, all-round nice guys.

Neil.
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Re: [Announce] Hackspoitation film fest

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 01:53:54PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> (http://www.twoshortplanks.com/simon/filmfest/)
> 
> Time for yet another movie marathon since people have been carping on 
> about it  and this time it's the long awaited 
> hacksploitation night - exploring the interesting and, umm, tenuous 
> relationship that the silver screen has with the hacker (and cracker)
> lifestyle.
> 
> The Time : Sunday, 27th of May. About 2pm. 
> (although I don't mind doing it earlier or later)
> 
Would love to have made this but too much on this weekend and making the
technical meeting on Saturday means the rest of the weekend has to be spent
being productive.

> Line up so far will come from ...
> 
>   o Hackers
>   o War Games
>   o Antitrust
>   o Takedown
>
Bugger, there's two on there I haven't yet seen and I can always watch
Hackers.
 
> 
> No, 'The Net' does not count.
> 
> If anybody has any of these ...
> 
>   o Sneakers

Had I been able to locate my copy you would have been more than welcome
to borrow it it would appear mine's in storage. If I get a chance before
Saturday I'll try and track it down.

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Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 11:34:21PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether:
> 
> > Will you be requiring a projector for this?
> 
> Yes please! Will you be coming down or can we send someone to borrow
> your projector for the day? ;-)
> 
> ps looks like Simon Cozens will be coming down and giving a few talks
> too
> 
Nat's quite keen to attend and I've kinda offered to give Jo a hand sorting
out getting the new disk in Penderel, so it looks like we can transport
the projector ourselves.

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Re: TPC talk practice / technical meet

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 07:12:51PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:

[stuff about TPC/YAPC talk practice, all snipped]

Will you be requiring a projector for this?

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Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 01:26:43PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
> 
> On 20 May 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:
> 
> > Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
> > > The interesting bits are as follows;
> > The really interesting bit was Mr Ford dancing around in his living
> > room crowing because Sara Cox had read his name out on the radio.
> 
> Just exactly *why* had Sara Cox read Neil's name out?
> 
I was going to stay out of this one, but in order to make sure the facts
remain straight, I will answer this one.

On her show on Friday she was going on about being No 68 on the list but
she hadn't actually seen the magazine so didn't know what they had said
about her.

So being a sad muppet (there you go, I've said it), I typed up what was in
the mag and emailed it to her. 

She read out the email and said "Thank You".

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Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 04:18:29PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:54:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> > > 
> > > Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
> > > 
> > > The interesting bits are as follows;
> > > 
> > > At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
> > > 
> > > At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!
> > > 
> > > Nuff said :-)
> > 
> > Oh, you bastards. You utter, utter, utter bastards.
> > 
> > I'm going to have to actually *buy*, and furthermore be seen non-dead
> > with, a copy of FHM now. London PM, you are sick, twisted and evil
> > people.
> 
> Hey, I have to buy it *imported*... and you think *you* have problems...
> 
> Uh, what's on the cover, so I get the right one?
> 
You won't miss the box, trust me :-)

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Re: FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:54:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:36:12PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> > 
> > Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...
> > 
> > The interesting bits are as follows;
> > 
> > At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller
> > 
> > At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!
> > 
> > Nuff said :-)
> 
> Oh, you bastards. You utter, utter, utter bastards.
> 
> I'm going to have to actually *buy*, and furthermore be seen non-dead
> with, a copy of FHM now. London PM, you are sick, twisted and evil
> people.
> 
The thing comes in a bloody big cardboard box ffs! Makes checking it out a 
real pain.

If you're getting it for the piccies, I would suggest you don't bother.
Whilst SMG gets a full page, the picture of Miss Hannigan is small and a
reprint of one of the ones from the photo shoot she did for FHM last year.

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FHM Top 100 Sexiest Women

[Neil Ford]

Just picked up the latest FHM to check out the above mentioned list...

The interesting bits are as follows;

At no. 11, Sarah Michelle Geller

At no. 10, Alyson Hannigan!!!

Nuff said :-)

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Re: Enough!

[Neil Ford]

On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:41:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:43:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > > 
> > > > nokia 9210
> > > 
> > > Which is still, AFAIK, unobtainium.
> > 
> > I know someone who knows someone who has a test model - I'll prod on
> > programmability.
> 
> Greg has (had?) one to play with.  It is programmable.
> 
Had is the correct tense, seeing as Mr McCarroll is currently resting between
engagements. 

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Re: Long Dark Teatime of the Soul

[Neil Ford]

On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 11:56:48AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1326000/1326657.stm
> 
Unfortunately I got the phone call at 7:10 this morning :-(

Definitely a strange day.

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Re: Monitors

[Neil Ford]

On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:22:04PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> How many things do you have on top of your monitor?
> 
> -Dom
> 
Zero but then things don't really sit too well on the powerbook's lcd or
on the 15" lcd I've got :-)

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Re: Buffy musings ...

[Neil Ford]

On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 06:34:18PM +0100, Dean wrote:

> PS Do we have any news on the YAPC::Europe talks that were recorded?
> 
The video tapes are with a friend of Jo's being encoded. However they've been
in that state for a while :-) so maybe it's time to check their status.

I'll report back.

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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-30

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 03:45:33PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2001, Leon Brocard wrote:
> 
> > Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether:
> >
> > > I missed the mention that london-list may be moving to london.pm.org at some
> > > point.
> >
> > There's no point in mentioning it again until it happens, surely.
> > So, when's it gonna happen list-meisters?
> >
> 
> Next week sometime I guess.  I'll have to get my head around the mailman
> stuff in the first instance.
> 
If you need a help with mailman, feel free to shout. I already look after a 
number of mailman run lists.

mailman++ :-)

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Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month

[Neil Ford]

On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:50:52AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> My favourite band in the whole world, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones,
> plays in London.  I urge you to see them.  It's an unholy blend of
> jazz, rock, and bluegrass.  They have *the* best electric bass player
> in the entire world, *the* best banjo player, and the best "whatever
> that thing that makes drum sounds is 'cos it sure isn't a drum kit"
> player.
> 
> http://www.flecktones.com/dates.html
> 
> 5/1/2001  Dingwalls   London, England
> 5/2/2001  Pizza Express   London, England

I can now confirm this is at The Pizzaexpress Jazz Club, 10 Dean Street, Soho,
London W1 - Reservations: 020 7439 8722 (the new listings arrived this
morning!).

Of course, this being the evening the tube strike starts, getting there and
back could be fun.

Neil.
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Re: OS X & MySQL

[Neil Ford]

On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 09:09:21PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> 
> How many people here use OS X? Develop for it? (Even vaguely). Recommend
> any small-ish clued in lists to join? The omnigroup ones are too huge.
> If anyone's interested, I'll host the list if nothing's out there.
> (I just bought a cool(ish) domain for it too, OSXphiles.com :-)
> 
Yes, I'm using it (again :-) ), not developing for it though. Haven't found
any good lists, I hang out on the London Macintosh User Group lists which has
a few clueful people on it.

A dedicated OSX list might be a good idea.

Neil.
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Re: require Module; and filehandles

[Neil Ford]

On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 01:31:38PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> > And hide the test failures if you are running on SCO OpenServer or
> > Unixware  (see p5p passim) :)
> 
> Does anyone still run SCO? Thought they'd all died.
> 
Well the last place I worked that ran OpenSewer did get closed down, though
the fact it was running SCO wasn't a factor in it's demise :-)

I know that Virgin Cosmetics run SCO (they run the same software we did) and
I suspect there are many more pyramid selling^W^Wdirect marketing companies
doing the same.

So not all dead yet. Heck I even list OpenSewer amongst the products I'll
work with. well somebody has too :-)

Neil.
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Re: [OT] Flecktones in London next month

[Neil Ford]

On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 04:54:14PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
> On 20/04/2001 at 16:47 +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> >
> >> 5/2/2001   Pizza Express   London, England
> >
> >Which Pizza Express ?
> 
> As far as I know the only one that does live jazz is the one on Dean
> Street.
> 
Ummm not any more :-)

23 Bruton Place and 99 High Holborn both do jazz now.

Unfortunately the listing I have only covers March and April so I can't check
which one they are at.

Now somewhere we have complimentary tickets to the Jazz Club (one perk of
membership of their club), maybe this would be a good time to use them.

Neil.

Re: Beginners Guide

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:33:59PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:06:02PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> > hard to say [BBC channels] are normally given free if you subscribe to one
> > premier channel
> 
> If your telly has a built-in digital decoder, then the BBC channels will
> be free, and you won't need cable or a satellite dish.
> 
> IANABBCE and IANADTVE
 
 but possibly not by the time the whole UK has gone digital 

Don't be suprised if by then the abolishment of the licence fee hasn't been
announced and that the BBC hasn't announced subscription charges for it's
services. Better that than the Beeb starts carrying ads.

The BBC are definitely working towards the licence fee being withdrawn at some
point by some government (hence all the curfuffle over ads on bbc.com), so
alternative forms of financing will need to be sort.

The above is of course conjecture on my part (I'm not Greg Dyke) but is based
on knowledge gained during the BBC's recent acquisition of certain assets of
a certain dot.com. :-)

How this would work with radio I have no idea.

Neil.

Re: The Natives are Revolting

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:10:15PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> 
> Is it just me or is OS X's sendmail broken out of the box?
> Apr 18 16:10:03 localhost sendmail[578]: My unqualified host name (localhost) 
>unknown; sleeping for retry
> 
Have to be honest and didn't bother finding out. One of the first things I did
was install the port of Postfix which completely replaced sendmail. Then I 
just copied across my config file :-)

I think some of sendmail's problems are to do with getting Netinfo set-up
properly, but I'm not sure abd could be talking out of somewhere fundemental.

Neil.

Re: The Natives are Revolting

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 12:03:20AM +0200, Marcel Grunauer wrote:
> 
> (Apologies if this comes through as HTML mail - i'm trying to get mail 
> set up on OS X, but can't get nmh to work, so I'm using OS X's Mail at 
> the moment. Will hack tools in Perl, though.)
> 
Use Mutt :-) You'll have to re-compile ncurses (the port is b0rked :-( ), but
it works lovely.

Neil.

Re: The Natives are Revolting

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:20:51PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> I dunno. You try to do a nice thing for people
> 
> Some of the most fun on the board can be found by reading member's personal 
> profiles:
> 
> bk:
> Chris: 
> 
And interestingly they both have websites hosted on virtualave.net u

(Okay I was bored and followed the links)

Neil.

Re: The Natives are Revolting

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:20:51PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> At 22:13 18/04/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> >
> > > At 21:39 18/04/2001, David Cantrell wrote:
> > > >On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:56PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > JS! stop it i'm replying!
> > > >
> > > >LOL at Greg's post.
> > >
> > > Greg++
> > >
> >
> >You've upset them now :
> >
> >
> 
> I dunno. You try to do a nice thing for people
> 
> Some of the most fun on the board can be found by reading member's personal 
> profiles:
> 
> bk:
> Chris: 
> 
One does have to wonder about someone called [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-)
Kinda say's it all

Neil.

Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-09

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:17:37PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> From: Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 1:00 PM
> 
> > The social meeting last week was a lot of fun, if a little
> > crazy. However, we really need to start organising the meetings (hey,
> > even Lonix is more organised!), as it was too loud and crowded:
> 
> Not sure I like the idea of 'organised' social meetings. Sounds a bit too
> 'SPUG' to me. However, I'm quite happy to listen to any alternative
> opinions.
> 
SPUG don't have organised social meetings, every meeting is a technical
meeting.

I think what Leon was refering to, was getting organised of finding a good
reliable venue.

Neil.
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Re: Wavelan

[Neil Ford]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 02:36:31PM +0100, Andrew Bowman wrote:
> > From:   Neil Ford [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > The perl script to do stuff with wireless scanning and GPS
> > had me salivating :-) Time to buy an eTrek I think.
> 
> Where was GPS mentioned? I had a good hunt round (by myself and with the
> assistance of the Altavista host: search parameter) but couldn't find it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andrew.
> 
It's in the mailing list archive;
http://lists.bawug.org/pipermail/wireless/2001-April/000679.html

This link was also in last weeks NTK.

Neil.
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Re: Wavelan

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:29:56PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> 
> my current plan of attack is probably 2 lucent/orinoco wavelan 128/RC4
> cards .. one in the laptop .. one in the border router machine on an ISA
> adaptor .. one guy I spoke to reckoned it would work .. another reckoned
> I was an idjut (well we knew _that_ already ..) and you had to have a
> 'access point' not just two wavelan cards .. dunno which to believe as
> half the access points just have a wavelan card in them anyway ... I do
> know that they are piss expensive over here .. might wait till I go to
> the states ... 
> 
Better late than never, check out 
http://www.live.com/wireless/unix-base-station.html
which looks like exactly what you want to achieve.

Got this link from the Bay Area Wireless User Group pages 
(http://www.bawug.org) which also look like quite a cool resource.

The perl script to do stuff with wireless scanning and GPS had me salivating
:-) Time to buy an eTrek I think.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Neil Ford]

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:05:51AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> dcross - David Cross wrote:
>  
> > Mr Cantrell has them I believe.
> 
> I shall proceed from here whence forth unto smack Mr Cantrell until he
> doth giveth over the designs. Hither-unto. And heretowards.
> 
> And yea it shall be so.
> 
> Or something.
>  
> > You're missing the fact that by the meeting you'll have 9 more days of
> > progress to report :)
> 
> Umm, ok.
> 
> Simon
> 

Do we need to dig up the original meeting notes regarding .pm/colour
combinations or is Simon to 'wing it'?

Neil.
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Re: Torvalds not impressed with OS X

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 05:03:35PM -0400, Chris Devers wrote:

[snip]
> 
>Luckily, Apple included a way to change the genie effect, but
>   chose not to put it into a GUI tool at this time. I'm sure
>   someone will have one written within a week, but for now,
>   here's how you do it. Open a terminal session (the Terminal
[snip]

Look for TinkerTool, GUI front-end not only to do this but to allow you to
show the hidden directories in the Finder, put the Trash on the desktop,
change the transprancy of Terminal windows and a whole lot more.

Look on VersionTracker (http://www.versiontracker.com) or Stepwise
(http://www.stepwise.com) for the latest version.

Neil
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Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:09:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> 
> If anyone doesn't know (or has forgotten), there will be a technical meeting
> on Thursday 19th April. It will be at State 51[1] and we'll start at about
> 7pm. Details on how to get to State 51 will appear on the web site... er...
> soon.
> 
Ummm forewarned is forearmed Nat and I might not be able to make this
which means getting hold of the projector might be a problem :-(

If someone wants to pop down to West Sussex to collect it they are more than
welcome, unfortunately I'm not travelling into London as much as I was.

Neil.
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Re: Torvalds not impressed with OS X

[Neil Ford]

On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 08:22:39AM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Apr 2001, you wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 08:30:07AM +0100, Rob Partington wrote:
> > > I mostly like MacOS X, but it is way too resource hungry.  I shouldn't
> > > need >64M to run a GUI and Unix comfortably, that's just crap.  
> > 
> > It's not just *any* GUI though, it's a GUI that does genie-in-a-bottle
> > minimise/restore! Oh yes!
> 
> hmm .. a bit too windows 98 for me I'm afraid .. 
> 
Oi! Watch it! That's grounds for a kicking almost :-)

> personally the ultimate task of any minimise/restore function should  be
> to get a window on or off the dispaly as fast as possible ... slowly
> attempting some graphical wizardry whilst chewing up CPU resources its
> not one of the things I lust after .. but YMMV :)
>
It should be pointed out that a lot, if not all, of Mac OS X's graphical
wizardry can be turned off, although admittedly Apple haven't necessarily
included the tools to do so by default. But then as I keep saying, Mac OS X is
a consumer OS especially to idi^H^H^Hmummies and daddies!

The slow-mo genie effect whlst playing a quicktime movie (fast processors only
need apply!) is a nice demonstration feature. At consumer evens it gets lots
of ooohs and ahhhs. It however in't something that most same people would use
day to day.
 
Neil.
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Re: the 2nd best london.pm meeting of all time

[Neil Ford]

On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 10:00:17AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> I nominate last night as the 2nd best social meeting of all time, just
> behind the TVR train and toilet seat nicking of a previous meeting.
> 
> The stolen wine by the thames at 1am was a particularly nice feature.
> 
Not wishing to be a sourpuss but personally last night was one of the worst
social meetings ever. The noise level, being unable to hear people, the lack
of space, unavailability of food, etc. made it one of the least pleasent
venues we've used. I wasn't at all unhappy about leaving early. However I 
suspect I'm in the minority.

I can imagine The Anchor is a great pub in the summer when you can sit out by
the river.

Neil.

Re: Appalling vampire joke

[Neil Ford]

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:51:45PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> What the hell, it's no less than you deserve...
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> One day Dracula is walking down the street when suddenly 10 tons of
> smoked salmon sandwiches, sausage rolls, vol-au-vents, chicken wings,
> chipolatas, tomato salad, pizza slices and crisps descend on him from a
> great height and knock him to the ground.
> 
> "Oh no!" he gasps with his dying breath
> 
> "It's Buffet the Vampire Slayer!"
> 
> 
> Boom boom !
> 


On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Simon Wistow wrote:

> One day Dracula is walking down the street when suddenly 10 tons of
> smoked salmon sandwiches, bread rolls, pitted olives, chicken wings,
> chipolatas, tomato salad, pizza slices and crisps descends on him from a
> great height and knocks him to the ground.
>  
>  "Oh no!" he gasps with his dying breath
>  
> 
>  
> "It's Buffet the Vampire Slayer."
> 
Sometimes archiving london-pm has it's benefits. :-)

Neil.

Mail archiving scripts?

[Neil Ford]

Following on from recent topics, can anyone point me at any scripts to help
with breaking up mailbox files?

I did have one, but that used the From field which unfortunately get's munged
if you use Formail/Procmail to reprosses a mailbox. Ideally I'm looking for
something that uses the Date: field and would take as input a month and year,
e.g.: March 2001, a mailbox, e.g.: london-pm and create a new file of the 
mails matching those criteria, suitably named, say london-pm.2001.03.

Pointers to something suitable are fine but please bear in mind my perl is
rudimentary... okay it's non-existent :-)

Neil.

Re: Crazy Idea

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
> At 11:33 04/04/2001 +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote:
> >on 4/4/01 11:27 am, Simon Wilcox wrote:
> 
> >c.
> >(who also used to cut live mains cables with secateurs, for fun)
> 
> Which reminds me of the time someone shorted out a mains socket with a 
> paper clip "to see what happened".
> 
> Scared the hell out of the teacher :-)
> 
> Ahh, the old days. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be..
> 
Or the case of taking the wire from inside a scalextric hand controller,
attaching on end to a sucker, affixing that to one side of a door frame,
stretching across to make a trip wire and being short of something to anchor
it with the other side, wrapping the remaining wire around the pins of a mains
plug and pluging it in!

Apparantly I was discovered on the other side of the room imbeded in a
wardrobe. :-)

Neil.
(who knows better now)

Re: sub BEGIN {}

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:06:14AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:28:24PM +0100, Dean S Wilson wrote:
> > 
> > Stick with drunks, it'll save time. And the meetings on Thursday so
> > you announced yourself just in time! ;)
> 
> I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare
> for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday.
> 
Details? Location? URL?

Neil.
(who proabably ought to stay home this weekend, but. )

Reminder! [lmug-talk] Apple comes to town !

[Neil Ford]

- Forwarded message from Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

For those that might be interested.

Realised the date is missing from the email, it's tonight btw!

Neil.

>To: lmug-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: Michael Corgan
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:38:58 +
>Subject: [lmug-talk] Apple comes to town !
>
>You might like to get in on the OS X act with LMUG. Apple UK are sending
>their man to our April Forum meeting, at the Crown and Two Chairmen in Dean
>Street W1.  Not only will he be demoing OS X, but we understand that a copy
>will be given by Apple as a raffle prize !
>
>So it will be well worth the £3 that non-members have to pay to get in !
>Just be sure to be early if you don't want to stand all the evening.
>
>Any more details that are required can be had via the LMUG web site.
>
>
>--
>Michael Corgan
>Chairman
>London Macintosh User Group
>
>See us on 
>
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Re: Wavelan

[Neil Ford]

On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 09:14:22PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> Anybody care to suggest a decent purveyor of the Lucent Wavelan cards?? 
> 
> My new laptop has declared itself unwilling to be shackled by network
> cables and demands a nice Wavelan card 
> 
> If the decent purveyor of cards was also a cheap purveyor as well that
> would be a bonus. My search of the usual suspects [qw/insight dabs
> bluepoint/] failed to reveal a source.
> 
Robin

My two recommended suppliers are;

Computer Connection
22 Falcon Street
Ipswich
Suffolk
IP1 1SL 
England

tel +44 (0)1473 232282
fax +44 (0)1473 210565
   
http;//www.compconnect.co.uk
   
FreeBSD Services Ltd
11 Lapwing Close
Bicester
OX26 6XR

phone +44 (0)1869 363956
fax +44 (0)1869 363957

web http://www.freebsd-services.co.uk

I'm assuming you already have a basestation. If not, you'll probably be wanting
one of those too. I can personally recommend the Apple Airport basestation and
I've heard good things of the Orinoco Residential Gateway.

Neil.

Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:35:25AM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:05:18AM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:11:13PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > > I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account
> > > name during install?
> > > 
> > > I did and am wondering if this is why my OS X installation is totally
> > > hosed & useless: I can't open folders in my (own!) Home (Insufficient
> > 
> > That would be it. Root on Mac OS X is a special user that by default isn't
> > enabled and doesn't have a home directory, etc.
> > 
> > You probably need to re-install and choose a normal user name. This user will
> 
> What, how about bin? Or mail? Or daemon? :-)
> 
> OS X really shouldn't've let me use a system name. Doh!
> 
Remember, OS X is an operating system especially designed for idi^H^H^Hmummies
and daddies.[1]

They are just going to put in their name. And why do you think /bin is hidden
in the finder? It would be the first thing to go in the trash if it wasn't.

Neil.

[1] obviously plagariesed reference. Anyone? ;-)

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Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

[Neil Ford]

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:43:57PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Chris Devers wrote:
> > In any event, the leading 1 is never part of the phone 
> > number, but you always have to dial it whenever making a 
> > "long distance" call.
> 
> Well, I would have thought that's just splitting hairs -- is the '0' part of
> the number 0207 xxx  is the number 207 xxx  "but you have to dial a
> 0 before that"? Comes out to the same thing. Except for...
> 
I suppose I'd be splitting hairs if I pointed out that the dialing code for
London is 020, meaning numbers should be shown as 020  .

Of course BT mis-informing people in their own bumpf didn't help matters.

Neil.
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Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

[Neil Ford]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 04:11:13PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> I don't suppose anyone else chose 'root' as their primary account
> name during install?
> 
> I did and am wondering if this is why my OS X installation is totally
> hosed & useless: I can't open folders in my (own!) Home (Insufficient

That would be it. Root on Mac OS X is a special user that by default isn't
enabled and doesn't have a home directory, etc.

You probably need to re-install and choose a normal user name. This user will
be set up as an administrator and have pretty good access rights. For easy
access you can do 'sudo tcsh' or if you want to enable root via
Applications|Utilities|NetInfo - it's a menu option.

Neil.
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Re: Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

[Neil Ford]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 11:41:17AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Mysql has been ported to OSX. You can find it at
> 
>   http://www-u.life.uiuc.edu/~mwvaugh/MacOSX/Packages/
> 
> I was playing with it for a while and it seems fairly stable.
> The only real problem I had was installing DBD::mysql which
> couldn't find libraries etc. Finally I found a guide at
> 
>   http://invictus.usask.ca/macosx/
> 
> and everything went hunkdory.
> 
> Well that's my first post out the way, I'm going to go and hide again now.
> 
> Steve

You should be ashamed sir, a first post that was vaguely on topic and helpful
into the bargain. What are things coming too :-)

Thanks for the info btw - most useful.

Neil.
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Mac OS X (was Re: mmm ... toys ..)

[Neil Ford]

[Warning - rant likely!]

On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:15:00AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote:
> >
> I have an original bondi-blue iMac, running MACOS9 at the moment, with 32Mb
> RAM. I was in an Apple shop at the weekend and found that a 128Mb upgrade
> and OSX will only set me back about 200gbp. I was assured that all my OS9
> applications will still work (my wife uses Clarisworks for WP, and the kids
> play their games), does anyone know if this is the case.
> 
In theory yes, all software that runs under OS9.1 should run under Classic
(Mac OS X's emulation layer), however practice may prove to be something else.
Hardware support for third party devices is patch under Classic, as an example
Adobe advise that Photoshop users will NOT be able to use scanners etc. to
acquire images under Classic. Reboot into OS9.1 if you need to do that.

Unfortunately they is currently no definative list, so it's really a case of
trial and error to see what works.

As for the install, the current wisdom is to completely wipe the disk, do a
clean install of OS9.1 from the cd provided, install all your Classic
applications and make sure they work and check for third-party extensions
and control panels and if they're not needed, disable them as they are likely
to cause Classic not to load. Once you are happy that everything is as you
want it, install Mac OS X and then see what works. Worst case if you just
reboot back into OS9.1 and work out how to remove OS X.

> And also, will I be able to install perl,apache,mysql and other *nix
> goodness on it too - I've never gotten to grips with macperl really.
> 
Perl comes pre-installed (5.6.0 for those interested), apache I think come
installed but not enabled (I haven't had a chance to check and don't really
need it on my powerbook), if it doesn't there are plenty of guides on the net
on how to install it (start at http://www.stepwise.com). I'm not sure if
anyone has ported mysql yet, I know I've seen a port of postgressql though.
Again check out Stepwise and maybe also Darwinfo (http://www.darwinfo.com).

The one thing I must say, is be prepared for things to be very different to
any *nix-like operating system you've used before, unless you've had prior
experience of NextStep/OpenStep. Mac OS X does stuff in a very different way
to say Linux of FreeBSD and will take some getting used to. The lack of
documentation on some of the key components (NetInfo for example) is a big
hinderence to making progress.

I think Mac OS X _will_ be a good OS, but right now I feel it still has some
growing to do. I'm perservering with making it my day to day OS on my laptop
but I will be recommending to all of my customers that unless they have a 
pressing need to migrate that they should stay put and wait until at least the
summer when Apple are proposing to ship machines with it pre-installed to
see what improvements have been made.

In your case Robert, I'd recommend getting the memorey upgrade whilst prices
are good but that you stay with OS9 (preferably 9.1) until later in the year.

Neil.
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Fwd: [lmug-talk] Apple comes to town !

[Neil Ford]

For those that might be interested.

>To: lmug-talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: Michael Corgan
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:38:58 +
>Subject: [lmug-talk] Apple comes to town !
>
>You might like to get in on the OS X act with LMUG. Apple UK are sending
>their man to our April Forum meeting, at the Crown and Two Chairmen in Dean
>Street W1.  Not only will he be demoing OS X, but we understand that a copy
>will be given by Apple as a raffle prize !
>
>So it will be well worth the £3 that non-members have to pay to get in !
>Just be sure to be early if you don't want to stand all the evening.
>
>Any more details that are required can be had via the LMUG web site.
>
>
>--
>Michael Corgan
>Chairman
>London Macintosh User Group
>
>See us on 
>
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Re: New Perl Stuff From O'Reilly

[Neil Ford]

>Well, sort of. It's a repacking of some existing stuff - a second
>edition of the Perl CD Bookshelf 
>
>Looks like the contents of the new edition is:
>
>* Programming Perl, 3rd Edition
>* Perl for System Administration
>* Perl in a Nutshell
>* Perl Cookbook
>* Advanced Perl Programming
>
>Compare to the old edition which had:
>
>* Perl in a Nutshell
>* Programming Perl, 2nd Edition
>* Perl Cookbook
>* Advanced Perl Programming
>* Learning Perl
>* Learning Perl on Win32 Systems
>
>What would _you_ have included?
>
>Dave...

As a Perl novice I'd have to say the old version looks much better. 
Just replacing Programming Perl would have been enough.

If anyone does decide to 'upgrade' I'd be interested it taking their 
old copy off their hands.

Neil.
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Re: Matt's Scripts (SCP)

[Neil Ford]

>On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:57:41PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
>>  On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:34:32PM +, Jon Eyre typed:
>>
>>  >is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
>>  >clients?
>>
>>  PuTTY.
>
>SCP for Windoz = http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/
>SCP for Linux = well, command line scp or what ever else there is.
>SCP for OSX = http://www.macorchard.com/ftp.html download Rbrowser

Also see Linux above, seeing as OS X has comes with OpenSSH. (10 days 
and counting :-) )

>SCP for Mac = http://www.macorchard.com/ftp.html download 
>NiftyTelnet (the open option has an SCP radio button)
>
>The Mac one is NASTY! - the OSX and Windoz ones are just like
>standard FTP clients (your computer on the left, remove server one the right).
>
>If anyone hears of a good gui SCP client for non-OSX mac's I'd
>really like to know (I've got users on my machine that need it!).
>
 me too! 

And if anyone finds a mac client that does SSH2 reliably, including 
port forwarding, using keys 'generated' using OpenSSH I'd be 
interested too.

Neil.
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Fwd: [lmug-talk] Drool time!

[Neil Ford]

Thought this might be of interest to some.

Neil.

>To: "lmug talk yahoogroups.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 04:42:43 -0800
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [lmug-talk] Drool time!
>
>Being sick, I should be asleep but I couldn't so I got up and did a little
>computer work.
>
>Just a short while ago, I finished installing OS X (Golden Master) on my new
>PowerBook G4.  From the time I started the installation process until the
>"Finder" appeared was exactly 20 minutes.  All you do is click a few
>buttons, type in some answers to questions and sit back while the installer
>does its thing.  VERY painless and no more difficult to install than was OS
>8 or 9.  As a matter of fact, easier.
>
>If you installed the Public Beta, I suggest that you reformat the drive and
>install OS 9.1 (which will come with OS X when it's released).  Apple
>doesn't require removing the PB, but it's a safe bet that with TWO new OSes
>on the drive, it's a good idea.
>
>You'll be surprised at how complete OS X is in spite of being incomplete
>(some components such as DVD play didn't make the final release but are
>promised in an update which should arrive shortly after the ship date).
>There are a lot of utilities with which you're familiar (Disk First Aid and
>Drive Setup combined into Drive Utility) but with new looks and
>capabilities, as well as some new ones which you used to get from
>third-party developers (Grab for screen captures, Preview for viewing PDF
>and other file types).  There are also many new applications which are
>"required" for OS X's plumbing but which the average user isn't "required"
>to use.
>
>Out of the box, OS X will recognize that it's connected to a DHCP server if
>you're on a LAN or have a DSL setup.  It has built-in drivers for FireWire
>and USB drives (although you cannot install OS X to them) and Apple, Epson
>and Hewlett Packard printers.  Some one said that they hooked up a Brother
>All-in-One and OS X recognized it.
>
>Protected memory is one of the most important new features.  Having Internet
>Explorer 5.1 Preview Edition (included on the CD) crash (oh, it will!) and
>not have to worry about it (just restart it) is worth the price of
>admission.
>
>I'm currently typing this in Microsoft Entourage 2001 which is running in
>the Classic environment.  I won't go into the differences between OS 9 and
>Classic (it will be covered by others) but I don't notice any difference in
>speed for most tasks under either environment.  Switching between the two is
>seamless and transparent (if set up properly).
>
>Contrary to the pre-Public Beta fears, there is almost nothing to worry
>about with OS X.  Once the top apps are available in Carbon form, this
>should be a killer product for Apple.  I don't know if it will ever gain the
>huge market share that Apple hopes for, but it should, ultimately, at least
>outsell Linux.  Once OS X Server is released (shortly after March 24, 2001),
>Apple will finally have an Enterprise product line.  Unfortunately, it still
>doesn't have an Enterprise strategy!
>
>Bruce
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Re: Overheard on IRC

[Neil Ford]

>On or about Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 10:46:18AM +, Simon Wistow typed:
>
>>yet another t-shirt idea methinks
>
>any(@londonpm)
>
>R

One wonders if we should just use some of Simon's designs to pay for the camel?

Neil.
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Re: Overheard on IRC

[Neil Ford]

>ALL YOUR DCONWAY ARE BELONG TO US
>
>yet another t-shirt idea methinks
>
>
>Simon
>[realising in the process that no-one ever suggested a t-shirt that said
>'yet another t-shirt']

Do it Do it now!! :-)

Neil. (2 x as big as you can get please)
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Re: T-shirts for Monday

[Neil Ford]

>Neil Ford wrote:
>>
>>  This isn't a question about any possible plans to produce a new
>>  tshirt design for Monday :-) but rather
>
>Place said they couldn't do it in time. That doesn't rule out
>Prontaprint though :)
>
Oh well, some other time maybe (for YAPC::Europe?).

>>  Are we going to try and get as many PIMB tshirts in the audiance for
>>  Monday? We could even get a photo with Damian?
>
>I'll bring the 8 or so I have left as well.

Excellent. We should probably present one to Damian.

Neil.

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T-shirts for Monday

[Neil Ford]

This isn't a question about any possible plans to produce a new 
tshirt design for Monday :-) but rather

Are we going to try and get as many PIMB tshirts in the audiance for 
Monday? We could even get a photo with Damian?

Thoughts?
Neil.
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Re: Greetings

[Neil Ford]

>Hello All ,
>
>I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact with the
>illustrious London.pm , so here I am .
>Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the page .
>
>Toodle-pip
>Amias

London.pm FAQ

Question: Why?
Answer:   Because Dave Told Us To

Question: Anything else?
Answer:   http://london.pm.org

:-)

Meil.
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Fwd: MacWorld Tokyo Keynote Report

[Neil Ford]

For anyone interested.

Neil


>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:48:59 +
>To: lmug-talk-yahoogroups.com
>From: Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Tokyo Keynote Report
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>Tokyo Keynote, February 22, 2001
>Location: PC World Croydon
>
>Full report will probably follow once I've had some sleep, but here are
>the Announcements and highlights.
>
>
>Announcements
>
>Demonstration of Maya from Alias Wavefront (3d Animation) on OS X, product
>is in Beta, due to ship next quarter - dead impressive
>
>New lower prices on the Cinema Display ($2,999)
>
>nVIDIA announce GeForce3 available first on the Mac, demoed with a
>real-time rendering of the Pixar short Luxor Jr on OS 9
>John Carmack of id-software demoed their new game engine running on OS X
>incredible lighting effects on a per-pixel basis
>available build to order from march for $600
>
>iTunes 1.1 supports over 25 CD-RW drives, available immediately
>
>Cube price lowered to $1,299
>new model, G4 450, 128Mb, 20GB HD, CD-RW - $1,599
>
>iTools in Japanese, available today
>
>iMac
>CD-RW drives, iTunes, Firewire, iMovie, Firewire, G3s
>400Mhz, 64MB, 10GB, CD-ROM - indigo
>500Mhz, 64MB, 20Gb, CD-RW - indogo, FP, BD
>600Mhz, 128Mb, 40GB, CD-RW - graphite, FP, BD
>New Colours
>Flower Power, colour is in the plastic!
>Blue Dalmation
>all available today
>
>5 new TV ads - text was in japanese but they are different
>Flower Power and iMovie visulisation
>iTunes & iMac (Flower Power)
>iTunes & iMac (Blue Dalmation)
>iTunes & iMac (Flower Power)
>
>
>Highlights
>
>Mac OS X - re-confirmed release date, one cd, all languages
>minimised a playing quicktime movie :-) and then moved it around
>bundled japanese fonts, anti-aliased
>finder toolbar is customizable
>Pre-load will begin July when a larger number of apps are available
>
>G4 Tit Powerbook
>Final Cut Pro runs 60% faster than on the G3 powerbook
>compared it to the Sony Vaio Z505VR/K
>
>PowerMac G4 - Power to Burn!
>Announced that all models are shipping
>
>
>Email access thanks to Airport and PC World :-)
>
>Neil.
>
>
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Fwd: [lmug-talk] Macworld Tokyo keynote at PC World

[Neil Ford]

For any macites who might be interested.

Neil.

>From: Carmelo Manganaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED];
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:58:55 +
>Subject: [lmug-talk] Macworld Tokyo keynote at PC World
>
>Apple CEO, Steve Job's keynote speech from Macworld Tokyo will be streamed
>live via satellite at PC World in Croydon on February 21, according to
>Apple.
>The store opens to customers at 11:30pm, the live link starts at 1:00am,
>and Jobs will deliver his speech shortly after this. PC World will close
>at 3am.
>Japanese food, wine and beer will be available in honour of the Tokyo
>event. There will be hands-on demonstrations and one-off special Mac deals
>available during the night.
>Macworld Tokyo is one of four major Apple events held around the world
>each year.
>Heidi Swain, category marketing manager for PC's at PC World, said: "This
>event demonstrates PC World's commitment to bringing the latest technology
>and products to the consumer first."
>
>
>So who's coming?
>
>Carmelo
>--
>
>
>The day Microsoft makes a product that DOESN'T
>suck will be the day they make a vacuum cleaner.
>
>   Do you know that there is a London Macintosh
>   User Group in London? Point your Browser at:
>
>
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Re: The Conway Lecture

[Neil Ford]

>Neil Ford wrote:
>>
>>  >(please circulate this to any interested parties)
>>  >
>>  Forwarded to the UK FreeBSD User Group and the Brighton Linux User Group.
>
>Brighton LUG - Where ?
>
http://www.brighton.lug.org.uk

It's a fairly dorment group but it does exist. The web page has 
details on how to join the mailing list.

Neil.
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Re: The Conway Lecture

[Neil Ford]

>(please circulate this to any interested parties)
>
Forwarded to the UK FreeBSD User Group and the Brighton Linux User Group.

Neil.
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RE: In defence of Perl

[Neil Ford]

>>
>>  This is a plea for help. Here is the situation:
>
>[situation snipped]
>
>>  My belief is that the LAMP type route provides a very cost effective,
>>  portable and scalable solution but I concede that bigger backends are
>>  needed for volume transaction systems.
>
>Funnily enough I am about half way through an article for the new
>www.onlamp.com site that is quite relevant to your situation. I'll whip
>myself to get it finished soon.
>
>>  The help I need is in answering some questions:
>>
>>  What big corporates are using perl in web development and
>>  how/for what ?
>
>Lots. In the last couple of weeks alone I've run across one operating stock
>exchange heavily built around Perl, and the content management system /
>e-marketplace hubstorm (www.hubstorm.com) is almost entirely Perl based.
>Neither are trivial applications, although I don't vouch for how effective
>they are or if Perl was the right tool to use.
>
As one of the requirements listed was content management you can 
through in the BBC, especially the interactive telly division. Heck, 
they even gave a presentation at YAPC::Europe.

And of course BBC Online is predominantly Perl.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>At 21:04 12/02/2001, Neil Ford wrote:
>>>On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:59:55AM +0000, Neil Ford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA,
>>>>   wireless microphones?)
>>>
>>>FWIW, damian has (IIRC) requested a vga connection for ny.
>>>
>>>(will try to remember to confirm this at some point...)
>>>
>>>Your best bet is to ask him.  That's what we did. :-)
>>I'll get Mr Cross to check then. Some of teh requirements are going 
>>to depend on the size of room we get. Something the size of the 
>>cinemas at the ICA and a PA and mics will almost be a necessity.
>
>The room we're looking at holds 80-100 people, so that's borderline PA
>territory in my book.
>
Something to check tomorrow. I'll stand at the back and you can do 
the Sub::Approx lightning talk :-)

>And isn't the VGA connection a requirement for the projector? Or the 
>laptop? Or
>something other than the room itself?
>
I'll admit my message wasn't well written. What I meant was that if 
the room was titchy we wouldn't need a PA, etc. Might need a VGA 
extension cable regardless as the one on the projector isn't 
extremely long.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:59:55AM +0000, Neil Ford wrote:
>>
>>  Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA,
>>  wireless microphones?)
>
>FWIW, damian has (IIRC) requested a vga connection for ny.
>
>(will try to remember to confirm this at some point...)
>
>Your best bet is to ask him.  That's what we did. :-)
>
I'll get Mr Cross to check then. Some of teh requirements are going 
to depend on the size of room we get. Something the size of the 
cinemas at the ICA and a PA and mics will almost be a necessity.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:25:34 +, Matthew Robinson 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).
>>  >
>>  >I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!),
>>  >net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of
>>  >that list they can supply. Thanks.
>>
>>  Sorry, been busy all morning.  We can supply either a screen or a
>>  white wall, not sure which yet but we will supply one or the other.
>>  So if somebody else can supply the projector that would be good.
>
>Thanks Matt. I guess we'll impose on Neil for his projector again, if
>that's ok :)
>
No probs projector booked.

Neil.

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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:17:14 +0000, Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[kit for Damian's talk]
>
>>  >I'll be able to answer that better after I've visited tomorrow. I
>>  >strongly suspect that we'll be asking to borrow you prjector again
>>  >tho' Neil.
>>
>>  Shall I come along tomorrow?
>
>If you have the time, that would be great. Meet me outside the Conway
>Hall at 12:30pm.
>
12:30, Conway Hall - in the diary.

See you there.

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>At Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:59:55 +0000, Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :)
>>  >So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act?
>>  >
>>  >Cheers,
>>  >
>>  >Dave...
>>
>>  Related question:
>>
>>  What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).
>
>I assume we'll need the usual. Projecter, Screen (or white wall!),
>net connectivity. Can someone at Torrington please confirm which of
>that list they can supply. Thanks.
>
>>  Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA,
>>  wireless microphones?)
>
>I'll be able to answer that better after I've visited tomorrow. I
>strongly suspect that we'll be asking to borrow you prjector again tho'
>Neil.
>
Shall I come along tomorrow?

Neil.
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Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

[Neil Ford]

>I'm assuming that Matt won't want to talk for the _whole_ evening :)
>So anyone got a short talk they want to give as a support act?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dave...

Related question:

What kit are we going to need for this? (projector, etc.).

Also what kit are we going to need for Damian's talk? (projector, PA, 
wireless microphones?)

Neil.
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Mailbox co-lo - honest opinions

[Neil Ford]

Well it looks like I have my first serious customer and I need to 
find a home for a machine for them.

My first instinct is to put the box in Mailbox as it'll be fairly low 
usage but with the recent outage to london.rhizo I'm concerned what 
Mailbox's record is like.

I have an alternative location but they require a 1U server which is 
going to greatly increase the inital cost.

I know a number of people on here have boxes at Mailbox, so I'd be 
interested to hear people's thoughts. On the list or by private email 
is fine.

Thanks in advance.

Neil.
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Fwd: SPUG: YAPC::Europe is 8/2-4 in Amsterdam

[Neil Ford]

>X-Authentication-Warning: happyfunball.pm.org: mjordomo set sender 
>to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f
>X-Sent: 8 Feb 2001 17:32:34 GMT
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:32:25 -0800
>From: Tim Maher/CONSULTIX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: SPUG: YAPC::Europe is 8/2-4 in Amsterdam
>Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>SPUGsters,
>
>They've finally announced the details of YAPC Europe, at
>http://www.yapc.org/Europe, and there are flights from Seattle
>to Amsterdam for as little as $408 today, according to my Yahoo
>fare-watching service!
>
>The "Call for Participation" is attached.  See you there!
>
>-Tim
>--
>**
>| Dr. Tim Maher, CEO, Consultix   (206) 781-UNIX/8649;  ask for FAX# |
>| Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web: http://www.consultix-inc.com  |
>| TIM MAHER: Unix/Perl  DAMIAN CONWAY: Adv. Perl   COLIN MEYER: Perl/DBI |
>|  12 Int Perl; 20 Data Munging; 22 Adv OO-Perl; 3/20 Perl; 3/26: Linux  |
>**
>* CALL FOR PARTICIPATION **
>
> European
>Yet Another Perl Conference
> YAPC 2001
>
>   http://www.yapc.org/Europe/
>
> Thursday-Saturday, August 2-4, 2001
>   at the
> Hogeschool Holland
>   Amsterdam, the Netherlands
>
>
>  ** Abstract submission deadline:  June  1, 2001 **
>
>Yet Another Perl Conference (YAPC) is an inexpensive (< 100 EURO) Perl
>users and developers conference, with a mix of tutorials and
>technical talks. The conference is set in Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
>
>YAPC began as a grassroots users conference, from discussions
>among Perl Mongers, and has grown from there.  We would like
>to invite you to join us for three days of Perl, people, and
>demonstrations, at a price that shouldn't hurt your wallet.
>There will be a limit of around 500 people for the conference.
>
>A number of members of the Perl community are contributing to this
>event.
>
>Look at the main web page for more details --
> http://www.yapc.org/Europe
>
>
>   *** CALL FOR PAPERS ***
>
>Potential presenters should submit a 200-300 word abstract to
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>in plain ASCII text or HTML by June 1st for consideration.
>We would like your materials to be available online, but
>that is not required.  If you have materials to include in
>the proceedings, or course notes, please let us know of your
>requirements in the abstract. If you have any special
>presentation needs, please include them also.
>
>The conference theme will be Security, so a portion of the the
>talks will be about that subject in some way. So if you have some
>knowledge of Perl related security issues, or use Perl in security
>related areas, you're more then welcome to share this with fellow
>Perl users at the conferece.
>
>Suggestions :
>
>*  writing secure Perl CGI programs
>*  security bloopers
>*  cryptography techniques
>*  cryptography applications
>*  security issues in past and coming versions of perl
>*  How you use Perl to enhance security of your network or website
>*  Modules useful in security
>*  Whatever you find interesting that's Perl- and security related
>
>
>A part of the time will be available for other Perl related subjects.
>Suggestions for subjects:
>
>*  Groupware, Agents, and Bots
>*  Perl in the world of Windows
>*  MacPerl
>*  Perl for Speech and Language
>*  Text and Document Processing
>*  Machine Learning in Perl
>*  HTML, XML, and Markup Languages
>*  CGI and Web programming in Perl
>*  Internet Programming
>*  Database Interaction and Access with Perl
>*  Scientific Computing (e.g. with PDL)
>*  Practical Perl Programming
>*  Module guts and usage on any particular Module.
>*  Tutorials of all stripes: Modules, Objects, CPAN
>*  Visionary or position papers on Perl, the past,
>the present, and the future
>*  Anything cool :)
>
>We have the following time slots in our schedule, so your
>contribution could have one of the following durations:
>
>180 minute tutorials
>90 minute talks
>40 minute talks
>25 minute talks
>lightning talks (5 minutes)
>
>
>Conference fees will be waived for presenters at yapc
>(lightning talks excepted), so another way to reduce your
>costs is to give a good talk on something you're excited about.
>
>
>We are looking for sponsors. Please contact Liz and Eric
>([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for information about how you can help
>support YAPC Europe. Much of the necessary funding for YAPC
>comes from the generous donations of our sponsors.
>
>
>
>    YAPC Europe 2001 **http://www.yapc.org/Europe/ ***
>* CALL FOR PARTICIPATION **
>
>
>
>
>  - - - - - - - - - - - -

Re: irc problems

[Neil Ford]

>On or about Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:31:16AM +, Michael Stevens typed:
>>On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:28:37AM +0000, Neil Ford wrote:
>>>  >I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems?
>>>  >Michael
>>>  we're all there fine
>>>  in actuall fact as I type this you've just appeared :-)
>>
>>Having now got on I can state the problem was a complete inability to
>>get rhizomatic dns.
>
>Still seeing that here. And oh dear:
>
>roger@dayspring:~$ host -t ns rhizomatic.net|wc -l
>   1
>
>And whois gives:
>
>token.aliengods.com 199.245.105.172
>token.aliengod.com  199.245.105.171
>
>Ahem. Didn't they learn _anything_ from Microsoft?
>
>IRC's IP, anyone?
>
>R

195.82.114.160

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Re: Mark Thomas

[Neil Ford]

>At Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:57:11 +, Greg McCarroll 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>  > (Even more off-topic than usual)
>>  >
>>  > I've got four tickets for the filming of the Mark Thomas Product
>>  > this Sunday. It's filmed in the pub at the end of my road, but I
>>  > don't think I'll be around in time to go. You'd need to be in the
>>  > pub for about 7:15pm to get decent seats, but the filming doesn't
>>  > actually start until 9pm.
>>  >
>>  > I'll have them with me tonight if anyone wants to claim them.
>>
>>  /me wants two - i assume the usual method of distribution applies
>
>You can have two and Red gets the other two. I'll explain how it all
>works tonight, but it'll be easier all round if the four of you could
>meet in the pub before the show.
>
>Are you sure you'll be back from Newark in time?
>
Well I know the Audi goes (yes, it can do 140mph! :-) ) but I'm not 
sure it'll do that 4up and anyway those tricks are best reserved for 
_very_ late a night.

As it is I was assuming we'd be working some of Sunday as well.

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Re: irc problems

[Neil Ford]

>I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems?
>
>Michael

we're all there fine

in actuall fact as I type this you've just appeared :-)

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Re: previous jobs

[Neil Ford]

>so who else has had cool non-IT jobs in the past?
>
Operations Manager, Wizards of the Coast Limited

next best thing to being a crack dealer :-)

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Every OS Sucks

[Neil Ford]

Check out the latest from Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie (the people 
who bought you the Internet Helpdesk sketch).

http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/37/three_dead_trolls_in_a_bag.html?lang=eng

Most entertaining.

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RE: Another Template Toolkit Q

[Neil Ford]

>>
>>Hang on, isn't there an actual Template Toolkit mailing list.
>>
>>--
>>Richard Clamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>

There is? Well I know when I'm not wanted then :-)

Mark k.

Check http://www.tt2.org/info.html#lists for details.

And it's not that you're not wanted :-) it's more that you're likely 
to get more authorative answers there.

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Re: Web site

[Neil Ford]

>At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:36:28 +0000, Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  Dave
>>
>>  I know you've probably got load on at the mo, but the website still
>>  lists the February meeting as being at the PO. An update perhaps?
>
>Which page did you have in mind? It all looks up to date to me.
>
>Dave..

The front page on Penderel (currently down I beleive) has a little 
calendar, list PO as the venue.

Or was I getting cached pages?

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Web site

[Neil Ford]

Dave

I know you've probably got load on at the mo, but the website still 
lists the February meeting as being at the PO. An update perhaps?

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Re:

[Neil Ford]

>is it still 12:30 at the new world today?
>
That does indeed seem to be the plan.

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Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

[Neil Ford]

>On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
>
>>  On or about Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:44:11AM +0000, Neil Ford typed:
>>
>>  >That just has me conjering up images of turning up at a client site
>>  >in a big black van (screeching tyres obligatory) and either leaping
>>  >out laptops in hand or just unrollong some CAT5 and plugging into
>>  >their network :-)
>>
>>  Wireless, shurely? Just drive by and connect to their LAN...
>>
>
>What 'Drive-by Hacking' ?
>
>You really need a low-rider chevvy and wear bandana round head for that
>one. :)
>
As was known to happen at 1 Infinity Loop when the Airport was first 
released :-)

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Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

[Neil Ford]

>On or about Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:44:11AM +0000, Neil Ford typed:
>
>>That just has me conjering up images of turning up at a client site
>>in a big black van (screeching tyres obligatory) and either leaping
>>out laptops in hand or just unrollong some CAT5 and plugging into
>>their network :-)
>
>Wireless, shurely? Just drive by and connect to their LAN...
>
That one had hit me after I'd hit send. Just plug in your airport and 
away you go.

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Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

[Neil Ford]

>
>The "A-Team" - scenario is one in which a team goes in to rescue a failing
>project, or go in and retune/redesign an existing project that works but has
>become a victim of its own success.  Think of this work as bespoke
>enhancements.
>
That just has me conjering up images of turning up at a client site 
in a big black van (screeching tyres obligatory) and either leaping 
out laptops in hand or just unrollong some CAT5 and plugging into 
their network :-)

So who's bankrolling the van and who wants to be BA?

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Conultancy discussion (was Re: TPC5)

[Neil Ford]

>* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>  Andrew Bowman wrote:
>>  >
>>  > From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  > > Timing in London is hard, because there aren't very many hotels
>>  > > capable of supporting such an event.  It's quite amazing to us, in
>>  > > fact, how difficult it has been to find a place to hold it in London.
>>  >
>>  > What sort of numbers are we talking about then?
>>  >
>>  > If you're prepared to consider locations a little out of central London
>>  > there are lots of large hotels around Heathrow that have 
>>sizeable conference
>>  > type facilities (also handy for the airport!).
>>
>>  What about Brighton ;-)
>>
>
>potential london clients will be put off dealing with a company not in london
>
Seeing as this was about TPC, interesting subject change :-)

The obvious answer to this is "depends where your customers are". 
Being out side London works for my friend Nik, but then he's 
targetting customers to the south of London and along the South 
Coast. Customers in Central London would definitely prefer a 
consultancy so located.

>i was thinking about consultancies, and there are really two types and
>two types of person who want to be create each type. and those two types
>can be summarised as the two Steves, the question is what are people trying
>to do - create a Jobs or a Wozniak consultancy?
>
Interesting question. I have both men to thank for an awful lot (the 
Apple II got me into computing, the mac is by far my most favourite 
machine) and whilst I would quite like to meet both, Woz is 
definitely the man I identify with most.

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Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hatworm discovered

[Neil Ford]

>Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether:
>
>>  Sounds like a table at the New World one lunchtime...
>
>OK. We might as well do this quickly, how about Monday 12.30 at the
>New World restaurant in Chinatown. Everyone who is vaguely interested
>in a Perl Consultancy of some sort is invited. People with business
>sense needed too, though: offices, computers and bandwidth don't come
>cheap.
>
Well count me in... assuming I'm not needed to go to any meetings.

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Re: Holy War

[Neil Ford]

>When I got home last night there were two big boxes from Dell waiting
>in the middle of the lounge. This is my new 1400 Mhz Pentium IV,
>256 Mb Turbo Bastard Nutter machine.
>
>One of the (many) advantages of having a new box is that I'll be able
>to do a completely fresh Linux install for the first time for many
>years. My current box has been upgraded thru every version of Red Hat
>since (I think) 4.1 to its current 7.0.
>
>I could, of course, take the easy route and whack RH7 on it, but this
>may be my best chance for some years to _easily_ switch distros.
>
>So I'm looking for advice on the best distro to use. Bear in mind that
>the existing box will currently become a firewall/proxy box so I'll
>do all the paranoid security stuff on there.
>
>Go for it. Give it your best shot.
>
>Let battle commence.
>
>Dave...

Well following recent discussions brought about by Jo's laptop 
purchase, I'd say the favour list goes something like this;

Debian
Slackware / SuSE
a deadrat derivitive (if you must)

No-one ever seems to mention TurboLinux or any of the minor distributions.

Of course I would strongly suggest investigating a BSD :-)

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Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hatworm discovered

[Neil Ford]

>Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>  Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>  > Big monitors on workstations are *not* rewards. They are essential
>>  > tools for the job. Anything smaller than 19" is rapidly approaching
>>  > too cramped for serious work. TFT monitors on workstations are
>>  > rewards...
>>
>>  19" on the first port of the G400, a TFT on the second?
>
>Mmmm... so, when are we going to have a meeting about all this?

Well seeing as I will be amongst the great unwashed from next week, 
anytime soon would be good.

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Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

[Neil Ford]

>On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 02:37:24PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
>>  > Personally I'd be happier if we had mirrored disks in there.
>>  I'd go for a backup system before a mirror, myself.
>
>That could be good, too...
>
>We definately need one of the two. (IMHO)
>
>Michael

Well a tape drive would be easier and (for the most part) cheaper to 
install. For mirroring you're either going to need a raid controller 
or use software raid... how good is that under linux?

Seeing as access to the box is not currently an issue, tape changing 
can be done .

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Re: Hardware Upgrade Fund

[Neil Ford]

>A quick reminder of something I mentioned last night.
>
>The hardware spec for penderel (our server) is starting to show its age
>(I don't know exactly what the specs are, but the box is at least 18
>months old).
>
>There are also a number of people who have expressed an interest in
>joining the exclusive club of people who have accounts on the server.
>
>The suggestion is, therefore, that we set up a hardware upgrade fund to
>buy new bits for the server. Contributions would be set at £50 and
>anyone contributing would gain the same rights on the box as the
>origianl contributors.
>
>I'm therefore looking for a volunteer to organise this. The organiser
>would, of course, be given a free login on the server.
>
>Anyone fancy it?
>
>Dave...

As a comparison, here's the spec of Ourshack.com (which houses 
Template Toolkit amongst other projects). I don't think anyone's 
complained about performance just yet.

Pentium II 233MMX
320MB RAM (this we have upgraded)
14GB HD

Box is running Apache, Roxen, MySQL and all the regular stuff (named, 
mail, mailman), never seems to be heavily loaded.

So you might be quite surprised how little you need to add. The 
biggest expense may be some kind of backup device.

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RE:Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hatworm discovered

[Neil Ford]

[snip the first bit... all great]
>
>Location
>   A big pub in central London.
>   Top floors: development
>   Ground floor Pub: with comedy stand and terminal points for laptops

Purleese wireless is the only way to go. :-)

>   Basement: disco / conference room, big flat screens etc..
>
>I've got a contact who says he can get hold of a million or
>so VC if this was an actually business plan, but then you
>have to pay them back with interest and stuff.
>
>Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one.
>
So who's any good at business plans... (I have a book but)

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Re: apologies

[Neil Ford]

>At Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:03:39 +, "Andy Wardley" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>  On Jan 18,  4:57am, Dave Cross wrote:
>>
>>  > OK. So we're now a speaker down. Anyone want to save the day by
>>  > stepping in to give a 20 min talk - or do I have to talk about
>>  Symbol::Approx::Sub _again_?
>>
>>  I can talk all night given half the chance (and appropriate throatal
>>  lubrication :-)
>
>...and most of us would love to listen to you :)
>
>Simon has already stepped into the breach. Thanks for the offer tho'.
>
>Dave...

Simon did say he was feeling rough, so he might be grateful for being 
able to take a rain check.

I think his birfday celebrations are having an adverse effect on him.

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Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

[Neil Ford]

>Roger Burton West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>  On or about Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:37:27AM +, Steve Mynott typed:
>>
>>  >RH/Slackware/Debian/Solaris/FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD are all fine
>>  >systems but they need to be setup by someone who knows what they are
>>  >doing in the same way that Perl has to be written by clueful
>>  >programmers.
>>
>>  And competent *ix system builders/admins are about as easy to find as
>>  clueful programmers. And certifications are about as useful in finding
>>  them.
>
>Talking of which, having interviewed/seen/lunched a fair number of
>perlmongers recently and then offered a bunch of Java weenies, I still
>need a BOFH. Not just someone who can "do", but who has vision to
>drive things forward. Like me, only more anally retentive and will do
>the second 90% of any job :-)
>
>Anyone know one?
>
Well kinda :-)

>The money's only OK, but the toys are great :-)
>
I need to see thing how things pan out here and on a couple of other 
fronts first. Toys are always a good incentive.

>And on the same lines...what with all these perlmongers on the market
>right now, just bloody band together and start a consultancy.
>
Quite happy to consider that, doing the sysadminy / strategy / 
project management type stuff can't code perl for toffee I'm 
afraid.

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Re: apologies

[Neil Ford]

>At Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:54:40 +, Greg McCarroll 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>  Apologies one and all,
>>
>>  i am not going to be able to make it tonight, today is my first day
>>  back at work after some flu like illness. i had hoped to make it
>>  tonight but currently feel like matt wrights code,
>
>OK. So we're now a speaker down. Anyone want to save the day by 
>stepping in to give a 20 min talk - or do I have to talk about 
>Symbol::Approx::Sub _again_?
>
>Dave...

Well I have both The Matrix and MIB with me on DVD and a DVD capable 
powerbook..

Movie intermission anyone?

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Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

[Neil Ford]

>On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 03:28:40PM +0000, Neil Ford wrote:
>>  Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie
>>  who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being
>>  killed in the first 10 minutes or so.
>
>Executive Decision.
>
That's the sucker!

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Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

[Neil Ford]

>* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>  Also, as it is a modern cruise ship, we will use Grep's l33t hacking skills
>>  to gain control of all the automated systems from his Psion 5, whereupon we
>
>don't get me started on PDA's being used to ``hack'' systems, e.g. that
>james bond film where they use a CE device and i've seen palm pilots
>used - now if it was EPOC say a nice R380 (with non-standard ROM)
>sure, but PalmOS, CE .. nah
>
>Greg - who is easily bought
>
Best use of a PDA does of course go to a movie that follows on from 
an earlier discussion, Under Seige 2 and the newton fax sending scene 
:-)

Then there's the Psion 3 being used to detonate a bomb is a movie 
who's name I can't remember but it features the same Mr Segal being 
killed in the first 10 minutes or so.

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