subject:"\[AFMUG\] OT\: The Silence is deafening.."

In 1916, Salt Lake City would put them on a train for Wendover Utah to join up 
with a railroad building crew.  It was out in the middle of the desert so 
either work or hop a train to somewhere else.  

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

I’m told some states give their homeless residents one way trips to hawaii, so 
it’s no longer "their problem". Hawaii hates it though. So now, I read that 
Hawaii is giving those same homeless one way tickets back.   

I also remember reading in 2008 or so during the recession, when Spain had like 
25% unemployment, that they were giving their immigrants one way tickets back 
to their home country.

  On Nov 11, 2020, at 10:05 AM,   wrote:

  Perhaps pay them to emigrate.  
  Go through all the homeless shelters with free airline tickets and $500 
cash...
  I guess we would have to help them get passports too... 

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:57 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

  And if someone does legally arrive on a visa they should be given some path 
to become a citizen in my opinion. They are already here working and 
contributing more than some people who have decided that being born here was 
enough. I know there is the whole "chain migration" thing and I haven't thought 
that one out but I figure we still need a trade system. You give us 1000 people 
from Central America that work and we can give you a 1000 worthless POS that 
are on welfare.  
  The weather is nice enough down there that they don't really need houses. 
They can sell bobbles on the beach for enough to feed themselves.

  On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:52 AM  wrote:

I am hopeful that Biden restores worker visas.  I think anyone that wants a 
6 month work visa should be able to get one as long as they can pass a 
background check.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Well, I hate to tell you but those cages were built during Obama's time in 
office. And really, calling them cages is just a bit on the inflammatory side. 
They are detention centers. Technically, you can call anything a cage with a 
boundary. Unless you are going to ask the CBP to stop doing their job, they are 
going to have to detain people.  

We can agree the immigration issue is a mess. Nobody in 30 years has really 
tried to fix it. We need a way for those who want to come here, who have an 
intent to work, no or little criminal history, to do so in an expeditious and 
inexpensive way. To continue on our current path of immigration dooms our 
economy to ruin as we are not producing enough offspring for a growing economy 
on our own.  You don't even have to argue about if it is right or wrong to have 
borders enforced. It is more about economic security than anything else.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:27 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  I said Nationalism how nationalism led to Nazism... 
  Think about how many people were complicit not calling it out is 
wrong... children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans on 
Muslims is wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong , 
  Righteous Indignation.

  On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:36 AM Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of 
people in it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not 
saying it couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it isn't 
even close. To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what the Jewish 
people went through. 

The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like 
Harry Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up 
American citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less wrong.

Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to 
Nazis is just partisan hogwash.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett  
wrote:

  First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is 
more "against the other guy" than voting for someone.  A lot of our press is 
devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If you 
believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd rather vote 
for the inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but saying I don't 
think it's as cult-like as Nazism.

  Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes 
like "change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US government 
and major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't want to argue 
abo

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

I’m told some states give their homeless residents one way trips to hawaii, so 
it’s no longer "their problem". Hawaii hates it though. So now, I read that 
Hawaii is giving those same homeless one way tickets back.  

I also remember reading in 2008 or so during the recession, when Spain had like 
25% unemployment, that they were giving their immigrants one way tickets back 
to their home country.

> On Nov 11, 2020, at 10:05 AM,   wrote:
> 
> Perhaps pay them to emigrate. 
> Go through all the homeless shelters with free airline tickets and $500 
> cash...
> I guess we would have to help them get passports too...
>  
> From: Lewis Bergman <>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:57 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>  
> And if someone does legally arrive on a visa they should be given some path 
> to become a citizen in my opinion. They are already here working and 
> contributing more than some people who have decided that being born here was 
> enough. I know there is the whole "chain migration" thing and I haven't 
> thought that one out but I figure we still need a trade system. You give us 
> 1000 people from Central America that work and we can give you a 1000 
> worthless POS that are on welfare. 
> The weather is nice enough down there that they don't really need houses. 
> They can sell bobbles on the beach for enough to feed themselves.
>  
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:52 AM > wrote:
>> I am hopeful that Biden restores worker visas.  I think anyone that wants a 
>> 6 month work visa should be able to get one as long as they can pass a 
>> background check. 
>>  
>> From: Lewis Bergman <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:49 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>  
>> Well, I hate to tell you but those cages were built during Obama's time in 
>> office. And really, calling them cages is just a bit on the inflammatory 
>> side. They are detention centers. Technically, you can call anything a cage 
>> with a boundary. Unless you are going to ask the CBP to stop doing their 
>> job, they are going to have to detain people. 
>>  
>> We can agree the immigration issue is a mess. Nobody in 30 years has really 
>> tried to fix it. We need a way for those who want to come here, who have an 
>> intent to work, no or little criminal history, to do so in an expeditious 
>> and inexpensive way. To continue on our current path of immigration dooms 
>> our economy to ruin as we are not producing enough offspring for a growing 
>> economy on our own.  You don't even have to argue about if it is right or 
>> wrong to have borders enforced. It is more about economic security than 
>> anything else.
>>  
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:27 AM Jaime Solorza > <>> wrote:
>>> I said Nationalism how nationalism led to Nazism...
>>> Think about how many people were complicit not calling it out is 
>>> wrong... children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans 
>>> on Muslims is wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong ,
>>> Righteous Indignation.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:36 AM Lewis Bergman > 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people 
>>>> in it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not 
>>>> saying it couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it 
>>>> isn't even close. To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what 
>>>> the Jewish people went through.
>>>>  
>>>> The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like Harry 
>>>> Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up 
>>>> American citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less 
>>>> wrong.
>>>>  
>>>> Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to 
>>>> Nazis is just partisan hogwash.
>>>>  
>>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett > 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more 
>>>>> "against the other guy" than voting for someone.  A lot of our press is 
>>>>> devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If 
>>>>> you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd 
>>>>> ra

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Perhaps pay them to emigrate.  
Go through all the homeless shelters with free airline tickets and $500 cash...
I guess we would have to help them get passports too... 

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

And if someone does legally arrive on a visa they should be given some path to 
become a citizen in my opinion. They are already here working and contributing 
more than some people who have decided that being born here was enough. I know 
there is the whole "chain migration" thing and I haven't thought that one out 
but I figure we still need a trade system. You give us 1000 people from Central 
America that work and we can give you a 1000 worthless POS that are on welfare. 

The weather is nice enough down there that they don't really need houses. They 
can sell bobbles on the beach for enough to feed themselves.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:52 AM  wrote:

  I am hopeful that Biden restores worker visas.  I think anyone that wants a 6 
month work visa should be able to get one as long as they can pass a background 
check.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:49 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

  Well, I hate to tell you but those cages were built during Obama's time in 
office. And really, calling them cages is just a bit on the inflammatory side. 
They are detention centers. Technically, you can call anything a cage with a 
boundary. Unless you are going to ask the CBP to stop doing their job, they are 
going to have to detain people.  

  We can agree the immigration issue is a mess. Nobody in 30 years has really 
tried to fix it. We need a way for those who want to come here, who have an 
intent to work, no or little criminal history, to do so in an expeditious and 
inexpensive way. To continue on our current path of immigration dooms our 
economy to ruin as we are not producing enough offspring for a growing economy 
on our own.  You don't even have to argue about if it is right or wrong to have 
borders enforced. It is more about economic security than anything else.

  On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:27 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

I said Nationalism how nationalism led to Nazism... 
Think about how many people were complicit not calling it out is 
wrong... children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans on 
Muslims is wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong , 
Righteous Indignation.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:36 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people 
in it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not saying 
it couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it isn't even 
close. To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what the Jewish 
people went through. 

  The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like Harry 
Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up American 
citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less wrong.

  Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to 
Nazis is just partisan hogwash.

  On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more 
"against the other guy" than voting for someone.  A lot of our press is devoted 
to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If you believed 
Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd rather vote for the 
inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but saying I don't think it's 
as cult-like as Nazism.

Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes 
like "change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US government 
and major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't want to argue 
about whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I accept their 
interpretation.

On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist 
xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you will 
see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe... 
  The proof is overwhelming...
  Prove me wrong.

  On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

I cant take credit on that one 

Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds 
for anything other than a campaign is illegal. 
I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all 
said and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be 
no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

And if someone does legally arrive on a visa they should be given some path
to become a citizen in my opinion. They are already here working and
contributing more than some people who have decided that being born here
was enough. I know there is the whole "chain migration" thing and I haven't
thought that one out but I figure we still need a trade system. You give us
1000 people from Central America that work and we can give you a 1000
worthless POS that are on welfare.
The weather is nice enough down there that they don't really need houses.
They can sell bobbles on the beach for enough to feed themselves.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:52 AM  wrote:

> I am hopeful that Biden restores worker visas.  I think anyone that wants
> a 6 month work visa should be able to get one as long as they can pass a
> background check.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:49 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
> Well, I hate to tell you but those cages were built during Obama's time in
> office. And really, calling them cages is just a bit on the inflammatory
> side. They are detention centers. Technically, you can call anything a cage
> with a boundary. Unless you are going to ask the CBP to stop doing their
> job, they are going to have to detain people.
>
> We can agree the immigration issue is a mess. Nobody in 30 years has
> really tried to fix it. We need a way for those who want to come here, who
> have an intent to work, no or little criminal history, to do so in an
> expeditious and inexpensive way. To continue on our current path of
> immigration dooms our economy to ruin as we are not producing enough
> offspring for a growing economy on our own.  You don't even have to argue
> about if it is right or wrong to have borders enforced. It is more about
> economic security than anything else.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:27 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I said Nationalism how nationalism led to Nazism...
>> Think about how many people were complicit not calling it out is
>> wrong... children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans
>> on Muslims is wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong ,
>> Righteous Indignation.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:36 AM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people
>>> in it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not
>>> saying it couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it
>>> isn't even close. To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what
>>> the Jewish people went through.
>>>
>>> The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like
>>> Harry Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up
>>> American citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to
>>> Nazis is just partisan hogwash.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more
>>>> "against the other guy" than voting *for* someone.  A lot of our press
>>>> is devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If
>>>> you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd
>>>> rather vote for the inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but
>>>> saying I don't think it's as cult-like as Nazism.
>>>>
>>>> Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes
>>>> like "change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US
>>>> government and major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't
>>>> want to argue about whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I
>>>> accept their interpretation.
>>>> On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist
>>>> xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you
>>>> will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...
>>>> The proof is overwhelming...
>>>> Prove me wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I cant take credit on that o

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

I am hopeful that Biden restores worker visas.  I think anyone that wants a 6 
month work visa should be able to get one as long as they can pass a background 
check.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Well, I hate to tell you but those cages were built during Obama's time in 
office. And really, calling them cages is just a bit on the inflammatory side. 
They are detention centers. Technically, you can call anything a cage with a 
boundary. Unless you are going to ask the CBP to stop doing their job, they are 
going to have to detain people.  

We can agree the immigration issue is a mess. Nobody in 30 years has really 
tried to fix it. We need a way for those who want to come here, who have an 
intent to work, no or little criminal history, to do so in an expeditious and 
inexpensive way. To continue on our current path of immigration dooms our 
economy to ruin as we are not producing enough offspring for a growing economy 
on our own.  You don't even have to argue about if it is right or wrong to have 
borders enforced. It is more about economic security than anything else.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:27 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  I said Nationalism how nationalism led to Nazism... 
  Think about how many people were complicit not calling it out is wrong... 
children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans on Muslims is 
wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong , 
  Righteous Indignation.

  On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:36 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people in 
it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not saying it 
couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it isn't even close. 
To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what the Jewish people went 
through. 

The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like Harry 
Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up American 
citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less wrong.

Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to 
Nazis is just partisan hogwash.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more 
"against the other guy" than voting for someone.  A lot of our press is devoted 
to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If you believed 
Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd rather vote for the 
inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but saying I don't think it's 
as cult-like as Nazism.

  Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes 
like "change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US government 
and major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't want to argue 
about whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I accept their 
interpretation.

  On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist 
xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you will 
see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe... 
The proof is overwhelming...
Prove me wrong.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  I cant take credit on that one 

  Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds 
for anything other than a campaign is illegal. 
  I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all 
said and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be 
no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence

  Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what 
happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new 
potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do with 
aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to be 
president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it sounded 
good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a concerted 
effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of beating the 
republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love it. I hate his policies, 
and hed have zero chance of implementing 95 percent of them, but I'd pay to 
watch that happen.

  On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  
wrote:

I might have to write that one down.

On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Hard ti

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Well, I hate to tell you but those cages were built during Obama's time in
office. And really, calling them cages is just a bit on the
inflammatory side. They are detention centers. Technically, you can call
anything a cage with a boundary. Unless you are going to ask the CBP to
stop doing their job, they are going to have to detain people.

We can agree the immigration issue is a mess. Nobody in 30 years has really
tried to fix it. We need a way for those who want to come here, who have an
intent to work, no or little criminal history, to do so in an expeditious
and inexpensive way. To continue on our current path of immigration dooms
our economy to ruin as we are not producing enough offspring for a growing
economy on our own.  You don't even have to argue about if it is right or
wrong to have borders enforced. It is more about economic security than
anything else.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:27 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I said Nationalism how nationalism led to Nazism...
> Think about how many people were complicit not calling it out is
> wrong... children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans
> on Muslims is wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong ,
> Righteous Indignation.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:36 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people
>> in it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not
>> saying it couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it
>> isn't even close. To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what
>> the Jewish people went through.
>>
>> The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like Harry
>> Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up
>> American citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less
>> wrong.
>>
>> Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to
>> Nazis is just partisan hogwash.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more
>>> "against the other guy" than voting *for* someone.  A lot of our press
>>> is devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If
>>> you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd
>>> rather vote for the inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but
>>> saying I don't think it's as cult-like as Nazism.
>>>
>>> Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes
>>> like "change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US
>>> government and major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't
>>> want to argue about whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I
>>> accept their interpretation.
>>> On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist
>>> xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you
>>> will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...
>>> The proof is overwhelming...
>>> Prove me wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I cant take credit on that one

 Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for
 anything other than a campaign is illegal.
 I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said
 and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be
 no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.

 https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence

 Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what
 happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new
 potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do
 with aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a
 position to be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time
 but it sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over
 twice in a concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good
 chance of beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd
 love it. I hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing 95
 percent of them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.

 On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I might have to write that one down.
>
> On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times
> > breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Saying something is “wrong” is almost always a statement of opinion, not fact.  

Children in cages vs children in holding areas created our of cyclone fence 
materials... well what do you do when you have to contain a large bunch of 
people?  The media created the hysteria.  Like saying they had to drink from 
toilets.  No, it was a sink built into the top of a toilet.

It was an expedient solution... and it was started during the Obama 
administration.  Funny, folks like MSNBC and CNN  always seem to leave that 
last bit unsaid...

You would have to be pretty cold hearted to think separation of families is not 
wrong.  But it happens every single day when DCFS types of organizations have 
to remove children out of bad environments.  Sometimes the law separates 
children from families.  There is an old saying “the law is an ass”.  

But a good solution came out of it – wait in Mexico.  I think this was Trumps’ 
best act.  

Bans on people coming from terrorist exporting nations is not the worst way of 
trying to prevent a terrorist attack.  Problem is Trump does not seem to be 
able to understand the difference between a peaceful religious Islamic human 
from a radicalized terrorist.  I have a  big problem treating groups of people 
differently based on their religion.  That is one of the reason this nation 
exists in the first place.  I don’t have a problem with a travel ban from hot 
spots of bad people.  

Pipes through any lands?  I am ok with fiber optic cables, pipe lines,  any 
necessary infrastructure to be buried anywhere.  The 5th amendment lays the 
groundwork for doing this.  As long as the underlying property owners received 
due process and fair compensation.  Same as for highways and power lines.  
Including national parks and monuments.  It does not harm the land.  I am also 
OK with drilling oil wells almost anywhere.  These things are not wrong - to 
me.  

But again, wrong is a statement of opinion, not fact.  

I am not going to like it when Biden expands some national monuments that Obama 
and Clinton tagged Utah with on their way out of office and Trump restored to 
their original state.  I look at those like they took a large can of red spray 
paint and wrote their name on the red rocks of our Southern area so they could 
claim them as legacy.  They are/were already federal lands, already under NEPA 
protection no need for extra designation.  But it will happen.  And that means 
no more cell phone towers out there and more hikers attracted to the “new 
national monuments” and more hikers dying of thirst in the summer because their 
phones don’t work

So Mr. President (elect), tag our state with your graffiti, kill some hikers... 
 see, I can do rhetoric too!

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

I said Nationalism how nationalism led to Nazism... 
Think about how many people were complicit not calling it out is wrong... 
children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans on Muslims is 
wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong , 
Righteous Indignation.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:36 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people in 
it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not saying it 
couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it isn't even close. 
To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what the Jewish people went 
through. 

  The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like Harry 
Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up American 
citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less wrong.

  Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to Nazis 
is just partisan hogwash.

  On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more 
"against the other guy" than voting for someone.  A lot of our press is devoted 
to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If you believed 
Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd rather vote for the 
inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but saying I don't think it's 
as cult-like as Nazism.


Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes like 
"change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US government and 
major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't want to argue about 
whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I accept their interpretation.

On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist 
xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you will 
see how this nationalism fervor led to N

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Jaime Solorza

I said Nationalism how nationalism led to Nazism...
Think about how many people were complicit not calling it out is
wrong... children in cages is wrong, separation of families is wrong, bans
on Muslims is wrong, pipes through Native American lands is wrong ,
Righteous Indignation.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2020, 8:36 AM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people
> in it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not
> saying it couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it
> isn't even close. To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what
> the Jewish people went through.
>
> The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like Harry
> Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up
> American citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less
> wrong.
>
> Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to
> Nazis is just partisan hogwash.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more
>> "against the other guy" than voting *for* someone.  A lot of our press
>> is devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If
>> you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd
>> rather vote for the inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but
>> saying I don't think it's as cult-like as Nazism.
>>
>> Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes
>> like "change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US
>> government and major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't
>> want to argue about whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I
>> accept their interpretation.
>> On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist
>> xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you
>> will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...
>> The proof is overwhelming...
>> Prove me wrong.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I cant take credit on that one
>>>
>>> Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for
>>> anything other than a campaign is illegal.
>>> I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said
>>> and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be
>>> no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.
>>>
>>> https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence
>>>
>>> Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what
>>> happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new
>>> potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do
>>> with aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a
>>> position to be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time
>>> but it sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over
>>> twice in a concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good
>>> chance of beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd
>>> love it. I hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing 95
>>> percent of them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
 I might have to write that one down.

 On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
 > Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times
 > breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

I think the point where I totally lost any particle of hope or respect or 
interest I had for Trump was during his first campaign.  

He was ham fistedly trying to quote 2nd Corinthians.  He said “two 
Corinthians”.  I knew at that moment that he had never read scriptures nor had 
listened in church or Sunday school provided he ever attended.  
What a fake, ignorant, poser.  

Then later he was quoted as saying he does not read books.  So obviously not a 
student of history.  Presidents need a good foundation in history to inform 
their decision making.  But we later found out that only Fox news and ratings 
informed his decision making.  

I really think he thought of the presidency in the same vein as the Miss 
America pageant.So he won the tiara.  Screw the concept of earning his 
paycheck.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

I just find it hard to believe that either one of these clowns is the best we 
can do. Both in their upper 70's. One cares so little about the office he will 
say anything. The other, well I am just not sure how much gas he has in the 
tank. It would be great if someone honest would run and get elected but our 
system makes that an impossibility. 

We have a minimum age for presidents. The founders never thought anyone in 
their 70's would be alive and able to hold office. We should have an amendment 
for a maximum age for President, Congress and Senate. For god sake there is an 
age limit for commercial pilots and FAA controllers. Should there be one for an 
important office? What was the crypt keeper that died  a while back? Strom 
Thurman or something? I think he was old enough he actually owned slaves. Ok 
maybe not owned them but his uncle probably did.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:33 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  All that said, Jamie, I don't understand why people vote for him either.  
Every time I listen to him talk I think he sounds like an idiot.

  On 11/11/2020 10:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more 
"against the other guy" than voting for someone.  A lot of our press is devoted 
to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If you believed 
Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd rather vote for the 
inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but saying I don't think it's 
as cult-like as Nazism.

Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes like 
"change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US government and 
major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't want to argue about 
whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I accept their interpretation.

On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist 
xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you will 
see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe... 
  The proof is overwhelming...
  Prove me wrong.

  On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

I cant take credit on that one 

Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for 
anything other than a campaign is illegal. 
I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said 
and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be no 
republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence

Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what 
happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new 
potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do with 
aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to be 
president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it sounded 
good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a concerted 
effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of beating the 
republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love it. I hate his policies, 
and hed have zero chance of implementing 95 percent of them, but I'd pay to 
watch that happen.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I might have to write that one down.

  On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good 
times 
  > breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

I just find it hard to believe that either one of these clowns is the best
we can do. Both in their upper 70's. One cares so little about the office
he will say anything. The other, well I am just not sure how much gas he
has in the tank. It would be great if someone honest would run and get
elected but our system makes that an impossibility.

We have a minimum age for presidents. The founders never thought anyone in
their 70's would be alive and able to hold office. We should have an
amendment for a maximum age for President, Congress and Senate. For god
sake there is an age limit for commercial pilots and FAA controllers.
Should there be one for an important office? What was the crypt keeper that
died  a while back? Strom Thurman or something? I think he was old enough
he actually owned slaves. Ok maybe not owned them but his uncle probably
did.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:33 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> All that said, Jamie, I don't understand why people vote for him either.
> Every time I listen to him talk I think he sounds like an idiot.
>
>
> On 11/11/2020 10:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more
> "against the other guy" than voting *for* someone.  A lot of our press is
> devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If
> you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd
> rather vote for the inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but
> saying I don't think it's as cult-like as Nazism.
>
> Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes like
> "change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US government
> and major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't want to
> argue about whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I accept their
> interpretation.
> On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist
> xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you
> will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...
> The proof is overwhelming...
> Prove me wrong.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I cant take credit on that one
>>
>> Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for
>> anything other than a campaign is illegal.
>> I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said
>> and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be
>> no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.
>>
>> https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence
>>
>> Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what
>> happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new
>> potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do
>> with aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a
>> position to be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time
>> but it sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over
>> twice in a concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good
>> chance of beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd
>> love it. I hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing 95
>> percent of them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> I might have to write that one down.
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> > Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times
>>> > breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

I don’t agree at all.  Trump got elected because more than half the country 
really really really disliked Hillary.

Really really really disliked Hillary.

I don’t know of anyone that voted for Trump because they liked him.  Everyone I 
know thought he was an ass hat from the get go.  

Second, you all have seen, first hand, for 4 years how little a president can 
actually do to harm a country.  Not much.  He didn’t start any wars so that is 
about the most damaging thing he can do.  He didn’t act on the virus properly 
but lots of countries fall into the same category.  He embarrassed us on the 
world stage.  That is about it.  Congress can affect us.  Presidents not so 
much.  

We have always had nationalists here.  It is part of the culture.  Some call it 
patriotism. I don’t think it is bad.  I am not a globalist.  I support our 
country and our national interests above other nations.  Part of rooting for 
the home team.  Being a patriot is a far stretch from dictatorship.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 8:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist 
xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you will 
see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe... 
The proof is overwhelming...
Prove me wrong.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  I cant take credit on that one 

  Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for 
anything other than a campaign is illegal. 
  I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said and 
done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be no 
republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence

  Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what happens if 
there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new potus, 
apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do with 
aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to be 
president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it sounded 
good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a concerted 
effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of beating the 
republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love it. I hate his policies, 
and hed have zero chance of implementing 95 percent of them, but I'd pay to 
watch that happen.

  On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

I might have to write that one down.

On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times 
> breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Declaring any large movement today, meaning ones with millions of people in
it, can't be compared to Nazis. You need to look back at history. not
saying it couldn't eventually work its way to something closer. But it
isn't even close. To say it is discounts how horrible Nazis were and what
the Jewish people went through.

The closest thing you could say is that Trump wants to be more like Harry
Truman ( a Democrat ). Truman took it 10 steps further by locking up
American citizens. Yes that was a time of war but it doesn't make it less
wrong.

Anyway, comparing anyone except those wacko white nationalists types to
Nazis is just partisan hogwash.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:17 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> First, I don't think it's as bad as all that.  A lot of voting is more
> "against the other guy" than voting *for* someone.  A lot of our press is
> devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.  If
> you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd
> rather vote for the inept, xenophobic clown.  Not saying that's ok, but
> saying I don't think it's as cult-like as Nazism.
>
> Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes like
> "change my mind".  "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US government
> and major corporations.  Prove me wrong."  Just because I don't want to
> argue about whatever claim a person is making, does not mean I accept their
> interpretation.
> On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist
> xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you
> will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...
> The proof is overwhelming...
> Prove me wrong.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I cant take credit on that one
>>
>> Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for
>> anything other than a campaign is illegal.
>> I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said
>> and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be
>> no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.
>>
>> https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence
>>
>> Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what
>> happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new
>> potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do
>> with aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a
>> position to be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time
>> but it sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over
>> twice in a concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good
>> chance of beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd
>> love it. I hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing 95
>> percent of them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> I might have to write that one down.
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> > Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times
>>> > breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Adam Moffett

All that said, Jamie, I don't understand why people vote for him
either. Every time I listen to him talk I think he sounds like an idiot.

On 11/11/2020 10:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

First, I don't think it's as bad as all that. A lot of voting is more
"against the other guy" than voting /for/ someone. A lot of our press
is devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against
him. If you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then
maybe you'd rather vote for the inept, xenophobic clown. Not saying
that's ok, but saying I don't think it's as cult-like as Nazism.

Second, I'm always annoyed by "prove me wrong" and even similar memes
like "change my mind". "Reticulan lizard aliens secretly run the US
government and major corporations. Prove me wrong." Just because I
don't want to argue about whatever claim a person is making, does not
mean I accept their interpretation.

On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist
xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history
and you will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in
Europe...

The proof is overwhelming...
Prove me wrong.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones > wrote:

I cant take credit on that one

Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign
funds for anything other than a campaign is illegal.
I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's
all said and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated
and there will be no republicans left not in prison for the RNC
to put in the big seat.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence

Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about
what happens if there is no certification and the congress has to
vote in a new potus, apparently it's not limited to the two
candidates, it's got to do with aggregate votes and would
potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to be president.
Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it sounded
good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in
a concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good
chance of beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat
off. I'd love it. I hate his policies, and hed have zero chance
of implementing 95 percent of them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I might have to write that one down.

On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times,
good times
> breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Adam Moffett

First, I don't think it's as bad as all that. A lot of voting is more
"against the other guy" than voting /for/ someone. A lot of our press
is devoted to demonizing the other guy so that you'll vote against him.
If you believed Joe Biden was a communist, corrupt, etc then maybe you'd
rather vote for the inept, xenophobic clown. Not saying that's ok, but
saying I don't think it's as cult-like as Nazism.

On 11/11/2020 10:01 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist
xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and
you will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...

The proof is overwhelming...
Prove me wrong.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones > wrote:

I cant take credit on that one

Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds
for anything other than a campaign is illegal.
I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all
said and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and
there will be no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put
in the big seat.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence

Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what
happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote
in a new potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates,
it's got to do with aggregate votes and would potentially leave
bernie sanders in a position to be president. Its was MSM and
they're full of shit all the time but it sounded good. Can you
imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a concerted
effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of
beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love
it. I hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing
95 percent of them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I might have to write that one down.

On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times,
good times
> breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Jaime Solorza

The scariest part is how many actually voted for an inept nationalist
xenophobic clown ...it portends of bad things ahead. Study history and you
will see how this nationalism fervor led to Nazi growth in Europe...
The proof is overwhelming...
Prove me wrong.


On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:41 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I cant take credit on that one
>
> Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for
> anything other than a campaign is illegal.
> I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said
> and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be
> no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.
>
> https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence
>
> Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what happens
> if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new potus,
> apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do with
> aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to
> be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it
> sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a
> concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of
> beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love it. I
> hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing 95 percent of
> them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I might have to write that one down.
>>
>> On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times
>> > breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-11 Thread Darin Steffl

Biden is a moderate politician. He's closer to the middle than trump ever
was.

Congress better get along with him so they can move us forward.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 11:15 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> This is a shit show no matter what side you are on.  At the end of the day
> whoever ends up in the white house will piss off over 70m people and we
> will be even more divided than we ever were.
>
> Someone has to realize we need to be brought back to center.  The house
> should declare this a contested election and kick both Biden and Trump to
> the curb.  They need to pick a moderate democrat and a moderate republic
> and put them in the white house.  At this point I don't care which one is
> President and which one is VP.  Basically lock both sides in a room
> together for the next 4 years and make them play nice.
>
> They have the power to do this, but I don't think they have the balls.  At
> the end of the day, neither side gives a shit about the country.
>
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> Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 11:40:44 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> I cant take credit on that one
>
> Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for
> anything other than a campaign is illegal.
> I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said
> and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be
> no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.
>
> https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence
>
> Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what happens
> if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new potus,
> apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do with
> aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to
> be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it
> sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a
> concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of
> beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love it. I
> hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing 95 percent of
> them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I might have to write that one down.
>
> On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times
> > breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

This is a shit show no matter what side you are on. At the end of the day whoever ends up in the white house will piss off over 70m people and we will be even more divided than we ever were.

Someone has to realize we need to be brought back to center. The house should declare this a contested election and kick both Biden and Trump to the curb. They need to pick a moderate democrat and a moderate republic and put them in the white house. At this point I don't care which one is President and which one is VP. Basically lock both sides in a room together for the next 4 years and make them play nice.

They have the power to do this, but I don't think they have the balls. At the end of the day, neither side gives a shit about the country.

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Tuesday, November 10, 2020, 11:40:44 PM, you wrote:

I cant take credit on that one

Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for anything other than a campaign is illegal.
I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said and done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be no republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence

Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what happens if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new potus, apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do with aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love it. I hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing 95 percent of them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

I might have to write that one down.

On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times
> breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

I cant take credit on that one

Heres some crazy stuff, I'm pretty sure offering up campaign funds for
anything other than a campaign is illegal.
I told you guys, this is gonna get hilarious. By the time it's all said and
done, theyll find 100 percent evidence biden cheated and there will be no
republicans left not in prison for the RNC to put in the big seat.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-offers-dollar1-million-in-campaign-funds-for-voter-fraud-evidence

Was reading another article from one of the mainstreams about what happens
if there is no certification and the congress has to vote in a new potus,
apparently it's not limited to the two candidates, it's got to do with
aggregate votes and would potentially leave bernie sanders in a position to
be president. Its was MSM and they're full of shit all the time but it
sounded good. Can you imagine that, the dnc fucked this guy over twice in a
concerted effort, particularly in 2016 when he had a real good chance of
beating the republican., and then he pulls that feat off. I'd love it. I
hate his policies, and hed have zero chance of implementing 95 percent of
them, but I'd pay to watch that happen.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 9:37 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I might have to write that one down.
>
> On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times
> > breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..


I might have to write that one down.

On 11/10/2020 10:32 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Hard times breed strong men, string men breed good times, good times 
breed weak men, weak men breed hard times.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

t; federal inquiries.””
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/9/2020 7:38 PM, justsumname wrote:
>>>
>>> this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/
>>>
>>> RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The state is grey
>>> on their map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.
>>>
>>> I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been an
>>> excellent President for all Americans.
>>> No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have.   For
>>> years.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it has to
>>>> be resistant to buying and selling votes.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have
>>>> already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one
>>>> can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to
>>>> claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results
>>>> with your code. You can do the same without recording a name.
>>>> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified,
>>>> fairly quickly.
>>>>
>>>> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects
>>>> are the best side effects.
>>>> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be
>>>> verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure
>>>> can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote
>>>> accuracy.
>>>>
>>>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as
>>>> is most of the left's mistakes
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long
>>>>> time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
>>>>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
>>>>> cart to have the vote count.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting,
>>>>>> both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
>>>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>>>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
>>>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s 
>>>>>> how I
>>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election
>>>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>>>>> envelopes, unc

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

validity in a count, it can
be verified, fairly quickly.

Covid built us a system to have a secure vote.
Inadvertant side effects are the best side effects.
You register, you are assigned your key. Your
registration can be verified legitimate. You can even
vote online. The tracing infrastructure can be used to
canvass a contested district for verification of vote
accuracy.

This is the last election where fraud can be claimed...
inadvertant, as is most of the left's mistakes

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The advantage to that is that the records will
probably last a long time. OTOH, storage might
become an issue.

bp


On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet,
cart it down to the office, make an X with a tar
crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet cart
to have the vote count.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Our county typically uses touchscreen machines
for in-person voting, both early and day-of. 
(A paper tape record is also printed out and
can be verified by the voter)  Obviously these
are very quick to process.

Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior
to the election.  In addition, there was one
early voting site open 40 days prior to the
election, but it used paper ballots. Basically
you filled out the same form as a mail-in
ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box. 
That’s how I voted and I was disappointed that
was the process, I thought they would scan
them through a “tabulator” as the last step,
just like back when we used paper ballots for
day-of voting.  I expected as the last step
before leaving I would feed the paper ballot
into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it in an
envelope and dropped it in a box.

All the paper ballots including early
in-person and mail-in were required to sit in
the locked boxes until something like 7am on
election day before they could start
processing them.  This was apparently also the
case in many battleground states. They weren’t
even allowed to open the envelopes, uncrease
the forms, check signatures, nothing.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf
Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..

In our county (and I have no idea if this is
the norm in the rest of the state), they count
them as they come in, but hold the results in
a secure area until the close of the in-person
polls. Ballots that are postmarked (if they
were mailed) up until the day of the election
will be accepted for a certain amount of time,
but I don't know how long that is.

We also have an online ballot tracking system.
After we dropped our ballots off, we could go
to a ballot status web site that told us (1)
if the ballot had been received, and (2) if it
had been accepted. It took 48 hours for our
ballots to show up in that system. I presume
if our ballots had not been accepted, there is
some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but
I've never had to use it.

bp



On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Yes, some states are doing exactly that.

*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM

        *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Nope, they're targeting the left now. Turns out it wasnt ever about trump
in Portland nor BLM. Which is why all that started under the nations first
black president. Sow the seeds of divisiveness and you shall reap those
rewards, plentifully. Epic, simply epic. Electing the king and queen of
locking black folks up, will be rewarded to the white elitists as expected.

It's going to be a humorous 2 years

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 8:41 PM  wrote:

> I wonder, have the Portland riots magically ceased?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 7:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
> isnt it amazing the difference between a direct quote and enemy media
> spin?
>
> doesnt matter, leftist wingbats dont care, those tools still say trump
> called all mexicans rapists, mental prowess isnt one of their strengths
>
> same with 100s of pieces of mail not equating more than a single unknown
> ballot
>
> "we gottem this time for sure" says the zealots in the helmets on both
> teams as the load into their shortbusses
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 8:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Here's the Washington Examiner covering the same order
>> <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/barr-authorizes-doj-to-look-into-only-substantial-allegations-of-voting-irregularities-in-the-2020-election?utm_medium=email&_hsmi=99440973&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9McecxSafWgTD0JAgy75Ycqh-CxkGtU1L_k5rrFjTXv_X0Xfcf0wuZqjujFnO5R0kd40qa3voIH8QbjU8VStyMcKPKNQ_content=99440973_source=hs_email>by
>> Barr.  There's a very different tone here.  It sounds as if the order was
>> intended to limit the scope of investigations to only situations where the
>> allegation seems plausible and the scale of the alleged fraud could have
>> actually affected the outcome of an election.
>>
>> Quote from Bill Barr's order, requoted from above article:
>>
>> ""You are the most senior leaders in the United States Department of
>> Justice and I trust you to exercise great care and judgment in addressing
>> allegations of voting and vote tabulation irregularities. While serious
>> allegations should be handled with great care, specious, speculative,
>> fanciful, or far-fetched claims should not be a basis for initiating
>> federal inquiries.””
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/2020 7:38 PM, justsumname wrote:
>>
>> this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.
>>
>>
>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/
>>
>> RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The state is grey on
>> their map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.
>>
>> I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been an
>> excellent President for all Americans.
>> No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have.   For
>> years.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it has to
>>> be resistant to buying and selling votes.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have
>>> already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one
>>> can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to
>>> claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results
>>> with your code. You can do the same without recording a name.
>>> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified,
>>> fairly quickly.
>>>
>>> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects
>>> are the best side effects.
>>> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be
>>> verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure
>>> can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote
>>> accuracy.
>>>
>>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as
>>> is most of the left's mistakes
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long
>>>> time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> On

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

erification of vote
>>> accuracy.
>>>
>>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as
>>> is most of the left's mistakes
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long
>>>> time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
>>>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
>>>> cart to have the vote count.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting,
>>>>> both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can 
>>>>> be
>>>>> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
>>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
>>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how 
>>>>> I
>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it
>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election
>>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also the
>>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of
>>>>> the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a
>>>>> secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are
>>>>> postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be
>>>>> accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
>>>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
>>>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
>>>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
>>>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but
>>>>> I've never had to use it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

to
process.

Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to
the election. In addition, there was one early
voting site open 40 days prior to the election, but
it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out
the same form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and
dropped it in a box. That’s how I voted and I was
disappointed that was the process, I thought they
would scan them through a “tabulator” as the last
step, just like back when we used paper ballots for
day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a
scanner.  Instead I sealed it in an envelope and
dropped it in a box.

All the paper ballots including early in-person and
mail-in were required to sit in the locked boxes
until something like 7am on election day before
they could start processing them. This was
apparently also the case in many battleground
states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures,
nothing.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

In our county (and I have no idea if this is the
norm in the rest of the state), they count them as
they come in, but hold the results in a secure area
until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots
that are postmarked (if they were mailed) up until
the day of the election will be accepted for a
certain amount of time, but I don't know how long
that is.

We also have an online ballot tracking system.
After we dropped our ballots off, we could go to a
ballot status web site that told us (1) if the
ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been
accepted. It took 48 hours for our ballots to show
up in that system. I presume if our ballots had not
been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to
go fix that, but I've never had to use it.

bp



On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Yes, some states are doing exactly that.

*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM

        *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..

Scan them as they go, but don't publish the
ongoing count.

On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I think vote by mail and scan them as they
arrive is the way to go.  That way when the
polls close you have an immediate count.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM

            *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..

The whole punch card voting "system"  was
doomed from the beginning. I remember using
it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30
years ago or so. Even when you punched out
a hole properly, the chads would sometime
stick or hang on a corner.

For quite some time now, we've been using
the paper ballots where you fill in the
square or the circle.

I've also been registered as a permanent
absentee for over a decade. When I voted
(almost a month ago now), we filled out our
ballots at the kitchen counter, and took
them to a drop box the next day when we
were running errands in town. The actual
act of "voting" (if you want to call it
that) took less than 1 minute as we just
dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread chuck

I wonder, have the Portland riots magically ceased?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 7:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

isnt it amazing the difference between a direct quote and enemy media spin? 

doesnt matter, leftist wingbats dont care, those tools still say trump called 
all mexicans rapists, mental prowess isnt one of their strengths

same with 100s of pieces of mail not equating more than a single unknown ballot

"we gottem this time for sure" says the zealots in the helmets on both teams as 
the load into their shortbusses

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 8:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Here's the Washington Examiner covering the same order by Barr.  There's a 
very different tone here.  It sounds as if the order was intended to limit the 
scope of investigations to only situations where the allegation seems plausible 
and the scale of the alleged fraud could have actually affected the outcome of 
an election.  

  Quote from Bill Barr's order, requoted from above article:

  ""You are the most senior leaders in the United States Department of Justice 
and I trust you to exercise great care and judgment in addressing allegations 
of voting and vote tabulation irregularities. While serious allegations should 
be handled with great care, specious, speculative, fanciful, or far-fetched 
claims should not be a basis for initiating federal inquiries.””

  On 11/9/2020 7:38 PM, justsumname wrote:

this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/

RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The state is grey on 
their map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.

I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been an excellent 
President for all Americans.
No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have.   For years.

--

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it has to 
be resistant to buying and selling votes.

  Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have 
already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one can 
see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to claim their 
vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results with your code. 
You can do the same without recording a name. 
If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified, 
fairly quickly.

Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects 
are the best side effects. 
You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be 
verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure can 
be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote accuracy.

This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as 
is most of the left's mistakes

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long 
time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.

bp
On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to 
the office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet 
cart to have the vote count.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person 
voting, both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and 
can be verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.

  Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  
In addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the 
election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same form as 
a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how I voted and I 
was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would scan them through a 
“tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we used paper ballots for 
day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before leaving I would feed the 
paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it in an envelope and dropped it 
in a box.

  All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were 
required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election day 
before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also the case in 
many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the envelopes, 
uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it
>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election
>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also the
>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of
>>>> the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a
>>>> secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are
>>>> postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be
>>>> accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>>>>
>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
>>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
>>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
>>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
>>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but
>>>> I've never had to use it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.
>>>> That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I
>>>> remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or so.
>>>> Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick
>>>> or hang on a corner.
>>>>
>>>> For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you
>>>> fill in the square or the circle.
>>>>
>>>> I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade.
>>>> When I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the
>>>> kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were
>>>> running errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it
>>>> that) took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of
>>>> dozens of drop boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop
>>>> boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee
>>>> ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3,
>>>> but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until
>>>> after the day-of voting. From the things I've re

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

tly also the
case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even
allowed to open the envelopes, uncrease the forms, check
signatures, nothing.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in
the rest of the state), they count them as they come in,
but hold the results in a secure area until the close of
the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked (if
they were mailed) up until the day of the election will
be accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't
know how long that is.

We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we
dropped our ballots off, we could go to a ballot status
web site that told us (1) if the ballot had been
received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I
presume if our ballots had not been accepted, there is
some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but I've never
had to use it.

bp



On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Yes, some states are doing exactly that.

*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing
count.

On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I think vote by mail and scan them as they
arrive is the way to go.  That way when the
polls close you have an immediate count.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM

    *To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed
from the beginning. I remember using it when I
lived in Santa Clara County 30 years ago or so.
Even when you punched out a hole properly, the
chads would sometime stick or hang on a corner.

For quite some time now, we've been using the
paper ballots where you fill in the square or
the circle.

I've also been registered as a permanent
absentee for over a decade. When I voted (almost
a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at
the kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box
the next day when we were running errands in
town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to
call it that) took less than 1 minute as we just
dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop
boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC)
39 drop boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or
about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.

Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the
late arrival absentee ballots. All of the ones
they've counted so far arrived before November
3, but for reasons I don't understand were not
allowed to be counted until after the day-of
voting. From the things I've read, there are
only about 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely
to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.

I (for one) would be in favor of uniform
voting/counting standards. Perhaps it would be a
violation of state's rights, but on the other
hand, there would be a lot less confusion when
the time for voting comes around.

bp



On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep
counting in Arizona.  It’s a Maxwell’s Demon
approach.  Open the door when it helps me,
close the door when it helps the other guy.

That’s probably why the Supremes stopped

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread Chuck McCown

Won it in a landslide too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> No...Nixon won his second term...I was there...
> He didn't finish it..
> Not like El One Term..
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 2:49 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> and I think Nixon was up for reelection. Obama was a lame duck.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 11/10/2020 1:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> yeah, i guess its not new, at least Obama was better looking
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Lewis Bergman  
>>> wrote:
>>>> Uhhh Nixon
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:12 PM Steve Jones  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> it used to be sitting presidents didnt spy on incoming presidents, or at 
>>>>> least get caught in the act. 
>>>>> I dont think there will be much of  a pulpit left for anyone. The left 
>>>>> had already "unfriended anyone who disagreed with them and isolated 
>>>>> themselves, then attacked any public space where any dissent would sit. 
>>>>> so the "racists" (a term used by morons with no depth) started moving 
>>>>> elsewhere with their time and money.
>>>>> Nobody really listens to anything outside what they want to hear, so 
>>>>> pulpits arent very relevant today. but kids are remote now, less 
>>>>> indoctrination, so theyll start being "racists" soon too. You lose a ton 
>>>>> of control when you lose a year of indoctrination.
>>>>> It is kind of fun watching whats going on at fox lately. Things started 
>>>>> turning when that bigot smith left, I didnt care for his hate, but I 
>>>>> liked 90 percent of his reporting. but once he left it was like they 
>>>>> tried to fill the agenda void internally and it turned into a pundit 
>>>>> brawl. Hannity went the way of Glenn beck, its a matter of time til hes 
>>>>> wearing kleenex box shoes and talking to cats, Tucker went from being a 
>>>>> fun prick to just being a prick, levin doesnt even hide his hatred of 
>>>>> jews anymore, Its like they decided they wanted to be jokes like lemon, 
>>>>> cuomo, and cooper, but multiplied to below the levels of msnbc, ratings 
>>>>> reflective.
>>>>> 
>>>>> this whole thing is literally hilarious, watching the mirror image of 
>>>>> 2016 happen. the arrogant hypocrisy is great. I have to admit, I havent 
>>>>> been keeping up on most of it, since i watched it all in the 2016 season. 
>>>>> But I do enjoy the highlight reels. The best part of it is watching the 
>>>>> "winners"  still melting down, as expected. I am kinda disapponted that 
>>>>> the "losing" team isnt our burning cities like they 2016 losers did, but 
>>>>> I guess nobody expected anything different in that regard, turds dont 
>>>>> polish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM  wrote:
>>>>>> Used to be that former presidents never criticized sitting presidents. 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> That went out the window with Obama/Trump.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Now, it will be interesting to see if anyone will give Trump a pulpit 
>>>>>> from which to speak.  Will he become a fox news feature?  Perhaps at 
>>>>>> Miss America he will pontificate.  I am sure he will not be able to 
>>>>>> resist seeking publicity. 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: Ken Hohhof
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:26 PM
>>>>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as a 
>>>>>> rapper, he already has the name.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:08 PM
>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> www.loser.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

This is the shit that irritates me
https://breaking911.com/texas-man-charged-with-theft-of-over-100-pieces-mail-including-absentee-ballot/
The headline, which is all people read, and barely, is technically true,
but it alludes, by design that there were a lot of ballots. The singular vs
plural isnt even relevant, since we dont follow those standards now (he she
it they them)
It's one ballot, and the thief didnt even likely know they had it.

This is why real people have no trust in the media

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> No...Nixon won his second term...I was there...
> He didn't finish it..
> Not like El One Term..
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 2:49 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> and I think Nixon was up for reelection. Obama was a lame duck.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/10/2020 1:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> yeah, i guess its not new, at least Obama was better looking
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Uhhh Nixon
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:12 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> it used to be sitting presidents didnt spy on incoming presidents, or
>>>> at least get caught in the act.
>>>> I dont think there will be much of  a pulpit left for anyone. The left
>>>> had already "unfriended anyone who disagreed with them and isolated
>>>> themselves, then attacked any public space where any dissent would sit. so
>>>> the "racists" (a term used by morons with no depth) started moving
>>>> elsewhere with their time and money.
>>>> Nobody really listens to anything outside what they want to hear, so
>>>> pulpits arent very relevant today. but kids are remote now, less
>>>> indoctrination, so theyll start being "racists" soon too. You lose a ton of
>>>> control when you lose a year of indoctrination.
>>>> It is kind of fun watching whats going on at fox lately. Things started
>>>> turning when that bigot smith left, I didnt care for his hate, but I liked
>>>> 90 percent of his reporting. but once he left it was like they tried to
>>>> fill the agenda void internally and it turned into a pundit brawl. Hannity
>>>> went the way of Glenn beck, its a matter of time til hes wearing kleenex
>>>> box shoes and talking to cats, Tucker went from being a fun prick to just
>>>> being a prick, levin doesnt even hide his hatred of jews anymore, Its like
>>>> they decided they wanted to be jokes like lemon, cuomo, and cooper, but
>>>> multiplied to below the levels of msnbc, ratings reflective.
>>>>
>>>> this whole thing is literally hilarious, watching the mirror image of
>>>> 2016 happen. the arrogant hypocrisy is great. I have to admit, I havent
>>>> been keeping up on most of it, since i watched it all in the 2016 season.
>>>> But I do enjoy the highlight reels. The best part of it is watching the
>>>> "winners"  still melting down, as expected. I am kinda disapponted that the
>>>> "losing" team isnt our burning cities like they 2016 losers did, but I
>>>> guess nobody expected anything different in that regard, turds dont polish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Used to be that former presidents never criticized sitting
>>>>> presidents.
>>>>>
>>>>> That went out the window with Obama/Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, it will be interesting to see if anyone will give Trump a pulpit
>>>>> from which to speak.  Will he become a fox news feature?  Perhaps at Miss
>>>>> America he will pontificate.  I am sure he will not be able to resist
>>>>> seeking publicity.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:26 PM
>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as a
>>>>> rapper, he already has the name.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:08 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafe

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread Lewis Bergman

You mean Jimmy Carter?

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 6:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> No...Nixon won his second term...I was there...
> He didn't finish it..
> Not like El One Term..
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 2:49 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> and I think Nixon was up for reelection. Obama was a lame duck.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/10/2020 1:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> yeah, i guess its not new, at least Obama was better looking
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Uhhh Nixon
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:12 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> it used to be sitting presidents didnt spy on incoming presidents, or
>>>> at least get caught in the act.
>>>> I dont think there will be much of  a pulpit left for anyone. The left
>>>> had already "unfriended anyone who disagreed with them and isolated
>>>> themselves, then attacked any public space where any dissent would sit. so
>>>> the "racists" (a term used by morons with no depth) started moving
>>>> elsewhere with their time and money.
>>>> Nobody really listens to anything outside what they want to hear, so
>>>> pulpits arent very relevant today. but kids are remote now, less
>>>> indoctrination, so theyll start being "racists" soon too. You lose a ton of
>>>> control when you lose a year of indoctrination.
>>>> It is kind of fun watching whats going on at fox lately. Things started
>>>> turning when that bigot smith left, I didnt care for his hate, but I liked
>>>> 90 percent of his reporting. but once he left it was like they tried to
>>>> fill the agenda void internally and it turned into a pundit brawl. Hannity
>>>> went the way of Glenn beck, its a matter of time til hes wearing kleenex
>>>> box shoes and talking to cats, Tucker went from being a fun prick to just
>>>> being a prick, levin doesnt even hide his hatred of jews anymore, Its like
>>>> they decided they wanted to be jokes like lemon, cuomo, and cooper, but
>>>> multiplied to below the levels of msnbc, ratings reflective.
>>>>
>>>> this whole thing is literally hilarious, watching the mirror image of
>>>> 2016 happen. the arrogant hypocrisy is great. I have to admit, I havent
>>>> been keeping up on most of it, since i watched it all in the 2016 season.
>>>> But I do enjoy the highlight reels. The best part of it is watching the
>>>> "winners"  still melting down, as expected. I am kinda disapponted that the
>>>> "losing" team isnt our burning cities like they 2016 losers did, but I
>>>> guess nobody expected anything different in that regard, turds dont polish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Used to be that former presidents never criticized sitting
>>>>> presidents.
>>>>>
>>>>> That went out the window with Obama/Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, it will be interesting to see if anyone will give Trump a pulpit
>>>>> from which to speak.  Will he become a fox news feature?  Perhaps at Miss
>>>>> America he will pontificate.  I am sure he will not be able to resist
>>>>> seeking publicity.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:26 PM
>>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as a
>>>>> rapper, he already has the name.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:08 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.loser.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 8:03 AM Steve Jones 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why the left cant meme. The lack of detail. Memelords would
>>>>> never have allowed that tie to make it through QC. 1/10
>>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread Jaime Solorza

No...Nixon won his second term...I was there...
He didn't finish it..
Not like El One Term..

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 2:49 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> and I think Nixon was up for reelection. Obama was a lame duck.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/10/2020 1:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> yeah, i guess its not new, at least Obama was better looking
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Uhhh Nixon
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:12 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> it used to be sitting presidents didnt spy on incoming presidents, or at
>>> least get caught in the act.
>>> I dont think there will be much of  a pulpit left for anyone. The left
>>> had already "unfriended anyone who disagreed with them and isolated
>>> themselves, then attacked any public space where any dissent would sit. so
>>> the "racists" (a term used by morons with no depth) started moving
>>> elsewhere with their time and money.
>>> Nobody really listens to anything outside what they want to hear, so
>>> pulpits arent very relevant today. but kids are remote now, less
>>> indoctrination, so theyll start being "racists" soon too. You lose a ton of
>>> control when you lose a year of indoctrination.
>>> It is kind of fun watching whats going on at fox lately. Things started
>>> turning when that bigot smith left, I didnt care for his hate, but I liked
>>> 90 percent of his reporting. but once he left it was like they tried to
>>> fill the agenda void internally and it turned into a pundit brawl. Hannity
>>> went the way of Glenn beck, its a matter of time til hes wearing kleenex
>>> box shoes and talking to cats, Tucker went from being a fun prick to just
>>> being a prick, levin doesnt even hide his hatred of jews anymore, Its like
>>> they decided they wanted to be jokes like lemon, cuomo, and cooper, but
>>> multiplied to below the levels of msnbc, ratings reflective.
>>>
>>> this whole thing is literally hilarious, watching the mirror image of
>>> 2016 happen. the arrogant hypocrisy is great. I have to admit, I havent
>>> been keeping up on most of it, since i watched it all in the 2016 season.
>>> But I do enjoy the highlight reels. The best part of it is watching the
>>> "winners"  still melting down, as expected. I am kinda disapponted that the
>>> "losing" team isnt our burning cities like they 2016 losers did, but I
>>> guess nobody expected anything different in that regard, turds dont polish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Used to be that former presidents never criticized sitting presidents.
>>>>
>>>> That went out the window with Obama/Trump.
>>>>
>>>> Now, it will be interesting to see if anyone will give Trump a pulpit
>>>> from which to speak.  Will he become a fox news feature?  Perhaps at Miss
>>>> America he will pontificate.  I am sure he will not be able to resist
>>>> seeking publicity.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:26 PM
>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as a
>>>> rapper, he already has the name.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:08 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.loser.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 8:03 AM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is why the left cant meme. The lack of detail. Memelords would
>>>> never have allowed that tie to make it through QC. 1/10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 7:31 AM Jaime Solorza 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 9:38 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The memes will be epic. The memelords havent even started shitposting,
>>>> which is odd.  This is a 2 of 10 gem. The covid death m

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
and I think Nixon was up for reelection. Obama was a lame duck.


bp

On 11/10/2020 1:39 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  yeah, i guess its not new, at least Obama was
better looking
  
  
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:26
  PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  Uhhh Nixon
  
  
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at
  3:12 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  it used to be sitting presidents didnt spy
on incoming presidents, or at least get caught in the
act. 
I dont think there will be much of  a pulpit left
  for anyone. The left had already "unfriended anyone
  who disagreed with them and isolated themselves, then
  attacked any public space where any dissent would sit.
  so the "racists" (a term used by morons with no depth)
  started moving elsewhere with their time and money.
Nobody really listens to anything outside what they
  want to hear, so pulpits arent very relevant today.
  but kids are remote now, less indoctrination, so
  theyll start being "racists" soon too. You lose a ton
  of control when you lose a year of indoctrination.
It is kind of fun watching whats going on at fox
  lately. Things started turning when that bigot smith
  left, I didnt care for his hate, but I liked 90
  percent of his reporting. but once he left it was like
  they tried to fill the agenda void internally and it
  turned into a pundit brawl. Hannity went the way of
  Glenn beck, its a matter of time til hes wearing
  kleenex box shoes and talking to cats, Tucker went
  from being a fun prick to just being a prick, levin
  doesnt even hide his hatred of jews anymore, Its like
  they decided they wanted to be jokes like lemon,
  cuomo, and cooper, but multiplied to below the levels
  of msnbc, ratings reflective.


this whole thing is literally hilarious, watching
  the mirror image of 2016 happen. the arrogant
  hypocrisy is great. I have to admit, I havent been
  keeping up on most of it, since i watched it all in
  the 2016 season. But I do enjoy the highlight reels.
  The best part of it is watching the "winners"  still
  melting down, as expected. I am kinda disapponted that
  the "losing" team isnt our burning cities like they
  2016 losers did, but I guess nobody expected anything
  different in that regard, turds dont polish.






  
  
  
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020
  at 2:34 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  wrote:


  

  
Used to be that former presidents never
  criticized sitting presidents.  
 
That went out the window with Obama/Trump.
 
Now, it will be interesting to see if
  anyone will give Trump a pulpit from which to
  speak.  Will he become a fox news feature? 
  Perhaps at Miss America he will pontificate. 
  I am sure he will not be able to resist
  seeking publicity.  

  
 

  From: Ken Hohhof
  
  Sent: Tuesday, November 10,
2020 1:26 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The
Silence is deafening..

  
   


  
Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ
  Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

yeah, i guess its not new, at least Obama was better looking

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Uhhh Nixon
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:12 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> it used to be sitting presidents didnt spy on incoming presidents, or at
>> least get caught in the act.
>> I dont think there will be much of  a pulpit left for anyone. The left
>> had already "unfriended anyone who disagreed with them and isolated
>> themselves, then attacked any public space where any dissent would sit. so
>> the "racists" (a term used by morons with no depth) started moving
>> elsewhere with their time and money.
>> Nobody really listens to anything outside what they want to hear, so
>> pulpits arent very relevant today. but kids are remote now, less
>> indoctrination, so theyll start being "racists" soon too. You lose a ton of
>> control when you lose a year of indoctrination.
>> It is kind of fun watching whats going on at fox lately. Things started
>> turning when that bigot smith left, I didnt care for his hate, but I liked
>> 90 percent of his reporting. but once he left it was like they tried to
>> fill the agenda void internally and it turned into a pundit brawl. Hannity
>> went the way of Glenn beck, its a matter of time til hes wearing kleenex
>> box shoes and talking to cats, Tucker went from being a fun prick to just
>> being a prick, levin doesnt even hide his hatred of jews anymore, Its like
>> they decided they wanted to be jokes like lemon, cuomo, and cooper, but
>> multiplied to below the levels of msnbc, ratings reflective.
>>
>> this whole thing is literally hilarious, watching the mirror image of
>> 2016 happen. the arrogant hypocrisy is great. I have to admit, I havent
>> been keeping up on most of it, since i watched it all in the 2016 season.
>> But I do enjoy the highlight reels. The best part of it is watching the
>> "winners"  still melting down, as expected. I am kinda disapponted that the
>> "losing" team isnt our burning cities like they 2016 losers did, but I
>> guess nobody expected anything different in that regard, turds dont polish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Used to be that former presidents never criticized sitting presidents.
>>>
>>> That went out the window with Obama/Trump.
>>>
>>> Now, it will be interesting to see if anyone will give Trump a pulpit
>>> from which to speak.  Will he become a fox news feature?  Perhaps at Miss
>>> America he will pontificate.  I am sure he will not be able to resist
>>> seeking publicity.
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:26 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as a
>>> rapper, he already has the name.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:08 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.loser.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 8:03 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is why the left cant meme. The lack of detail. Memelords would
>>> never have allowed that tie to make it through QC. 1/10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 7:31 AM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 9:38 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The memes will be epic. The memelords havent even started shitposting,
>>> which is odd.  This is a 2 of 10 gem. The covid death memes from the street
>>> "celebrations" are going to be particularly ruthless.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:26 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> God this is more entertaining than 2016
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Barr is a Trump puppet.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/1542846845827136/posts/3249813925130411/?sfnsn=mo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 7:07 PM Robert  wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread Lewis Bergman

Uhhh Nixon

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 3:12 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> it used to be sitting presidents didnt spy on incoming presidents, or at
> least get caught in the act.
> I dont think there will be much of  a pulpit left for anyone. The left
> had already "unfriended anyone who disagreed with them and isolated
> themselves, then attacked any public space where any dissent would sit. so
> the "racists" (a term used by morons with no depth) started moving
> elsewhere with their time and money.
> Nobody really listens to anything outside what they want to hear, so
> pulpits arent very relevant today. but kids are remote now, less
> indoctrination, so theyll start being "racists" soon too. You lose a ton of
> control when you lose a year of indoctrination.
> It is kind of fun watching whats going on at fox lately. Things started
> turning when that bigot smith left, I didnt care for his hate, but I liked
> 90 percent of his reporting. but once he left it was like they tried to
> fill the agenda void internally and it turned into a pundit brawl. Hannity
> went the way of Glenn beck, its a matter of time til hes wearing kleenex
> box shoes and talking to cats, Tucker went from being a fun prick to just
> being a prick, levin doesnt even hide his hatred of jews anymore, Its like
> they decided they wanted to be jokes like lemon, cuomo, and cooper, but
> multiplied to below the levels of msnbc, ratings reflective.
>
> this whole thing is literally hilarious, watching the mirror image of 2016
> happen. the arrogant hypocrisy is great. I have to admit, I havent been
> keeping up on most of it, since i watched it all in the 2016 season. But I
> do enjoy the highlight reels. The best part of it is watching the
> "winners"  still melting down, as expected. I am kinda disapponted that the
> "losing" team isnt our burning cities like they 2016 losers did, but I
> guess nobody expected anything different in that regard, turds dont polish.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM  wrote:
>
>> Used to be that former presidents never criticized sitting presidents.
>>
>> That went out the window with Obama/Trump.
>>
>> Now, it will be interesting to see if anyone will give Trump a pulpit
>> from which to speak.  Will he become a fox news feature?  Perhaps at Miss
>> America he will pontificate.  I am sure he will not be able to resist
>> seeking publicity.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:26 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>
>>
>> Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as a rapper,
>> he already has the name.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:08 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>
>>
>>
>> www.loser.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 8:03 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is why the left cant meme. The lack of detail. Memelords would never
>> have allowed that tie to make it through QC. 1/10
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 7:31 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yep..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 9:38 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The memes will be epic. The memelords havent even started shitposting,
>> which is odd.  This is a 2 of 10 gem. The covid death memes from the street
>> "celebrations" are going to be particularly ruthless.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:26 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> God this is more entertaining than 2016
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Barr is a Trump puppet.
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/1542846845827136/posts/3249813925130411/?sfnsn=mo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 7:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>> The only thing just getting started is the next level of FUD from the DUD
>>
>> On 11/9/20 5:51 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
>>
>> From Wikipedia: *The Gateway Pundit* is an American far-right
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_right_(United_States)>[9]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-9> news and
>> opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes,
>> and conspiracy theories
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories>.[17]
&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

it used to be sitting presidents didnt spy on incoming presidents, or at
least get caught in the act.
I dont think there will be much of  a pulpit left for anyone. The left
had already "unfriended anyone who disagreed with them and isolated
themselves, then attacked any public space where any dissent would sit. so
the "racists" (a term used by morons with no depth) started moving
elsewhere with their time and money.
Nobody really listens to anything outside what they want to hear, so
pulpits arent very relevant today. but kids are remote now, less
indoctrination, so theyll start being "racists" soon too. You lose a ton of
control when you lose a year of indoctrination.
It is kind of fun watching whats going on at fox lately. Things started
turning when that bigot smith left, I didnt care for his hate, but I liked
90 percent of his reporting. but once he left it was like they tried to
fill the agenda void internally and it turned into a pundit brawl. Hannity
went the way of Glenn beck, its a matter of time til hes wearing kleenex
box shoes and talking to cats, Tucker went from being a fun prick to just
being a prick, levin doesnt even hide his hatred of jews anymore, Its like
they decided they wanted to be jokes like lemon, cuomo, and cooper, but
multiplied to below the levels of msnbc, ratings reflective.

this whole thing is literally hilarious, watching the mirror image of 2016
happen. the arrogant hypocrisy is great. I have to admit, I havent been
keeping up on most of it, since i watched it all in the 2016 season. But I
do enjoy the highlight reels. The best part of it is watching the
"winners"  still melting down, as expected. I am kinda disapponted that the
"losing" team isnt our burning cities like they 2016 losers did, but I
guess nobody expected anything different in that regard, turds dont polish.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:34 PM  wrote:

> Used to be that former presidents never criticized sitting presidents.
>
> That went out the window with Obama/Trump.
>
> Now, it will be interesting to see if anyone will give Trump a pulpit from
> which to speak.  Will he become a fox news feature?  Perhaps at Miss
> America he will pontificate.  I am sure he will not be able to resist
> seeking publicity.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:26 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
> Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as a rapper,
> he already has the name.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> www.loser.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 8:03 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> This is why the left cant meme. The lack of detail. Memelords would never
> have allowed that tie to make it through QC. 1/10
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 7:31 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Yep..
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 9:38 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
> The memes will be epic. The memelords havent even started shitposting,
> which is odd.  This is a 2 of 10 gem. The covid death memes from the street
> "celebrations" are going to be particularly ruthless.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:26 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> God this is more entertaining than 2016
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Barr is a Trump puppet.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/1542846845827136/posts/3249813925130411/?sfnsn=mo
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 7:07 PM Robert  wrote:
>
> The only thing just getting started is the next level of FUD from the DUD
>
> On 11/9/20 5:51 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
>
> From Wikipedia: *The Gateway Pundit* is an American far-right
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_right_(United_States)>[9]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-9> news and
> opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes,
> and conspiracy theories
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories>.[17]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-17>
>
>
>
> If someone has credible evidence that would overturn the election, it
> should absolutely be brought before the courts. At the moment, all of the
> evidence seems to point to a fair election where Donald Trump lost by over
> 4,000,000 votes.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:34 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Bullshit ..pure Bullshit
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 5:39 PM justsumname  wrote:
>
> this thing is just gettin

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread chuck

Used to be that former presidents never criticized sitting presidents.  

That went out the window with Obama/Trump.

Now, it will be interesting to see if anyone will give Trump a pulpit from 
which to speak.  Will he become a fox news feature?  Perhaps at Miss America he 
will pontificate.  I am sure he will not be able to resist seeking publicity.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 1:26 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as a rapper, he 
already has the name.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

www.loser.com

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 8:03 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

  This is why the left cant meme. The lack of detail. Memelords would never 
have allowed that tie to make it through QC. 1/10

   

  On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 7:31 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Yep..

 

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 9:38 PM Steve Jones  wrote:


  The memes will be epic. The memelords havent even started shitposting, 
which is odd.  This is a 2 of 10 gem. The covid death memes from the street 
"celebrations" are going to be particularly ruthless.

   

   

  On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:26 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

God this is more entertaining than 2016

 

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:12 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Barr is a Trump puppet.

  
https://www.facebook.com/1542846845827136/posts/3249813925130411/?sfnsn=mo

   

  On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 7:07 PM Robert  wrote:

The only thing just getting started is the next level of FUD from 
the DUD

On 11/9/20 5:51 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:

  From Wikipedia: The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right[9] 
news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, 
hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.[17]

   

  If someone has credible evidence that would overturn the 
election, it should absolutely be brought before the courts. At the moment, all 
of the evidence seems to point to a fair election where Donald Trump lost by 
over 4,000,000 votes. 

   

   

  On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:34 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Bullshit ..pure Bullshit

 

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 5:39 PM justsumname  
wrote:

  this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.

   

  
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/

   

  RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The 
state is grey on their map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.

   

  I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been 
an excellent President for all Americans.

  No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I 
have.   For years.

   

  --

   

   

  On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown  
wrote:

I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  
But it has to be resistant to buying and selling votes.

Sent from my iPhone





  On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

   

  It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the 
vote. We have already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot 
meaning no one can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's 
ability to claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your 
results with your code. You can do the same without recording a name. 

  If there is any question of validity in a count, it can 
be verified, fairly quickly.

   

  Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. 
Inadvertant side effects are the best side effects. 

  You register, you are assigned your key. Your 
registration can be verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing 
infrastructure can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of 
vote accuracy.

   

  This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... 
inadvertant, as is most of the left's mistakes

   

  On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince 
 wrote:

The advantage to that is that the records will probably 
last a long time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.

bpOn 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Ber

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread Ken Hohhof

Hmmm, I forgot he is DJ Trump.  Maybe his next career can be as a rapper, he 
already has the name.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 2:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

www.loser.com <http://www.loser.com> 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 8:03 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This is why the left cant meme. The lack of detail. Memelords would never have 
allowed that tie to make it through QC. 1/10

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 7:31 AM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yep..

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 9:38 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The memes will be epic. The memelords havent even started shitposting, which is 
odd.  This is a 2 of 10 gem. The covid death memes from the street 
"celebrations" are going to be particularly ruthless.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:26 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

God this is more entertaining than 2016

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 10:12 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Barr is a Trump puppet.

https://www.facebook.com/1542846845827136/posts/3249813925130411/?sfnsn=mo

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 7:07 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

The only thing just getting started is the next level of FUD from the DUD

On 11/9/20 5:51 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:

>From Wikipedia: The Gateway Pundit is an American  
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_right_(United_States)> far-right 
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-9> [9] news and 
>opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and  
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories> conspiracy theories. 
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-17> [17]

If someone has credible evidence that would overturn the election, it should 
absolutely be brought before the courts. At the moment, all of the evidence 
seems to point to a fair election where Donald Trump lost by over 4,000,000 
votes. 

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:34 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Bullshit ..pure Bullshit

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 5:39 PM justsumname mailto:unixday...@gmail.com> > wrote:

this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/

RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The state is grey on their 
map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.

I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been an excellent 
President for all Americans.

No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have.   For years.

--

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it has to be 
resistant to buying and selling votes.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have already 
dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one can see who 
you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to claim their vote was 
stolen or manipulated since you can check your results with your code. You can 
do the same without recording a name. 

If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified, fairly 
quickly.

Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects are the 
best side effects. 

You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be verified 
legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure can be used to 
canvass a contested district for verification of vote accuracy.

This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as is most 
of the left's mistakes

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long time. OTOH, 
storage might become an issue.

bp

On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the office, 
make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet cart to have 
the vote count.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting, both early 
and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be verified by 
the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.

Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In addition, 
there

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-10 Thread Jaime Solorza

t;>>>>>>>> to claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your
>>>>>>>>> results with your code. You can do the same without recording a name.
>>>>>>>>> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be
>>>>>>>>> verified, fairly quickly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side
>>>>>>>>> effects are the best side effects.
>>>>>>>>> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be
>>>>>>>>> verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing 
>>>>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>>>>> can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote
>>>>>>>>> accuracy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed...
>>>>>>>>> inadvertant, as is most of the left's mistakes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a
>>>>>>>>>> long time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to
>>>>>>>>>> the office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> ballet cart to have the vote count.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person
>>>>>>>>>>> voting, both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also 
>>>>>>>>>>> printed out
>>>>>>>>>>> and can be verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to
>>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.
>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the 
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  
>>>>>>>>>>> That’s how I
>>>>>>>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they 
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back 
>>>>>>>>>>> when we
>>>>>>>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step 
>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I 
>>>>>>>>>>> sealed it
>>>>>>>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>>>>>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on 
>>>>>>>>>>> election
>>>>>>>>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently 
>>>>>>>>>>> also the
>>>>>>>>>>> case in many battleground

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

;>>>>>>> effects are the best side effects.
>>>>>>>> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be
>>>>>>>> verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing 
>>>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>>>> can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote
>>>>>>>> accuracy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed...
>>>>>>>> inadvertant, as is most of the left's mistakes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a
>>>>>>>>> long time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to
>>>>>>>>> the office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the
>>>>>>>>> ballet cart to have the vote count.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person
>>>>>>>>>> voting, both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed 
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> and can be verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to
>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.
>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the 
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  
>>>>>>>>>> That’s how I
>>>>>>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they 
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back 
>>>>>>>>>> when we
>>>>>>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step 
>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I 
>>>>>>>>>> sealed it
>>>>>>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>>>>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on 
>>>>>>>>>> election
>>>>>>>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently 
>>>>>>>>>> also the
>>>>>>>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Steve Jones

;> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
>>>>>>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the 
>>>>>>> ballet
>>>>>>> cart to have the vote count.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person
>>>>>>>> voting, both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed 
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> and can be verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to
>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
>>>>>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>>>>>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
>>>>>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s 
>>>>>>>> how I
>>>>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when 
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step 
>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I 
>>>>>>>> sealed it
>>>>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on 
>>>>>>>> election
>>>>>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest
>>>>>>>> of the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results 
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are
>>>>>>>> postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will 
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that 
>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
>>>>>>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) 
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 
>>>>>>>> 48
>>>>>>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our 
>>>>>>>> ballots
>>>>>>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, 
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> I've never had to use it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Steve Jones

gt;>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
>>>>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>>>>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
>>>>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s 
>>>>>>> how I
>>>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step 
>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election
>>>>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>>>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of
>>>>>>> the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a
>>>>>>> secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are
>>>>>>> postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that 
>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
>>>>>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
>>>>>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 
>>>>>>> 48
>>>>>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our 
>>>>>>> ballots
>>>>>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, 
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> I've never had to use it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.
>>>>>>> That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s 
>>>>>> how I
>>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election
>>>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of
>>>>>> the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a
>>>>>> secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are
>>>>>> postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be
>>>>>> accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
>>>>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
>>>>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
>>>>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
>>>>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I've never had to use it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.
>>>>>> That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning.
>>>>>> I remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or 
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>> Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick
>>>>>> or hang on a corner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you
>>>>>> fill in the square or the circle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade.
>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

l-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s 
>>>>>> how I
>>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election
>>>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of
>>>>>> the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a
>>>>>> secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are
>>>>>> postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be
>>>>>> accepted for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
>>>>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
>>>>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
>>>>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
>>>>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> I've never had to use it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.
>>>>>> That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning.
>>>>>> I remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or 
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>> Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick
>>>>>> or hang on a corner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you
>>>>>> fill in the square or the circle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Robert

   dropped it in a box.

All the paper ballots including early in-person
and mail-in were required to sit in the locked
boxes until something like 7am on election day
before they could start processing them. This
was apparently also the case in many
battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed
to open the envelopes, uncrease the forms, check
signatures, nothing.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..

In our county (and I have no idea if this is the
norm in the rest of the state), they count them
as they come in, but hold the results in a
secure area until the close of the in-person
polls. Ballots that are postmarked (if they were
mailed) up until the day of the election will be
accepted for a certain amount of time, but I
don't know how long that is.

We also have an online ballot tracking system.
After we dropped our ballots off, we could go to
a ballot status web site that told us (1) if the
ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been
accepted. It took 48 hours for our ballots to
show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
had not been accepted, there is some sort of
mechanism to go fix that, but I've never had to
use it.

bp



On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Yes, some states are doing exactly that.

*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..

Scan them as they go, but don't publish the
ongoing count.

On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I think vote by mail and scan them as
they arrive is the way to go.  That way
when the polls close you have an
immediate count.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..

The whole punch card voting "system" 
was doomed from the beginning. I
remember using it when I lived in Santa
Clara County  30 years ago or so. Even
when you punched out a hole properly,
the chads would sometime stick or hang
on a corner.

For quite some time now, we've been
using the paper ballots where you fill
in the square or the circle.

I've also been registered as a permanent
absentee for over a decade. When I voted
(almost a month ago now), we filled out
our ballots at the kitchen counter, and
took them to a drop box the next day
when we were running errands in town.
The actual act of "voting" (if you want
to call it that) took less than 1 minute
as we just dropped the ballots off at
one of dozens of drop boxes all over the
county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop
boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or
about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.

Pennsylvania still hasn't started
counting the late arrival absentee

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Chuck Macenski

>From Wikipedia: *The Gateway Pundit* is an American far-right
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_right_(United_States)>[9]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-9> news and
opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes,
and conspiracy theories <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories>.
[17] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit#cite_note-17>

If someone has credible evidence that would overturn the election, it
should absolutely be brought before the courts. At the moment, all of the
evidence seems to point to a fair election where Donald Trump lost by over
4,000,000 votes.


On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:34 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Bullshit ..pure Bullshit
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 5:39 PM justsumname  wrote:
>
>> this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.
>>
>>
>> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/
>>
>> RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The state is grey on
>> their map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.
>>
>> I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been an
>> excellent President for all Americans.
>> No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have.   For
>> years.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it has to
>>> be resistant to buying and selling votes.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have
>>> already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one
>>> can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to
>>> claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results
>>> with your code. You can do the same without recording a name.
>>> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified,
>>> fairly quickly.
>>>
>>> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects
>>> are the best side effects.
>>> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be
>>> verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure
>>> can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote
>>> accuracy.
>>>
>>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as
>>> is most of the left's mistakes
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long
>>>> time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
>>>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
>>>> cart to have the vote count.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting,
>>>>> both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can 
>>>>> be
>>>>> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
>>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
>>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how 
>>>>> I
>>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it
>>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mai

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Jaime Solorza

Bullshit ..pure Bullshit

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 5:39 PM justsumname  wrote:

> this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.
>
>
> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/
>
> RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The state is grey on
> their map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.
>
> I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been an excellent
> President for all Americans.
> No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have.   For years.
>
> --
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it has to
>> be resistant to buying and selling votes.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have
>> already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one
>> can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to
>> claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results
>> with your code. You can do the same without recording a name.
>> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified,
>> fairly quickly.
>>
>> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects
>> are the best side effects.
>> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be
>> verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure
>> can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote
>> accuracy.
>>
>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as
>> is most of the left's mistakes
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long
>>> time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
>>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
>>> cart to have the vote count.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting,
>>>> both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be
>>>> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how I
>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it
>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election
>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also the
>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of
>>>> the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a
>>>> secure area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are
>>>> postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be
>>>> accepted for a certain amount of time, but I do

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Just a factual correction:  RealClearPolitics never called Pennsylvania.
 And yes, I checked archive.org to verify.

And in case it comes up: CNN never called Arizona.   In fact, for quite
some time Fox and possibly the AP were the only ones who had called Arizona.


On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 5:39 PM justsumname  wrote:

> this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.
>
>
> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/
>
> RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The state is grey on
> their map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.
>
> I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been an excellent
> President for all Americans.
> No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have.   For years.
>
> --
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it has to
>> be resistant to buying and selling votes.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have
>> already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one
>> can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to
>> claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results
>> with your code. You can do the same without recording a name.
>> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified,
>> fairly quickly.
>>
>> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects
>> are the best side effects.
>> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be
>> verified legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure
>> can be used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote
>> accuracy.
>>
>> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as
>> is most of the left's mistakes
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long
>>> time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
>>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
>>> cart to have the vote count.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting,
>>>> both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be
>>>> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how I
>>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it
>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election
>>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also the
>>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of
>>>> the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread justsumname

this thing is just getting started, gents.   It's only Monday.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-ag-barr-authorizes-federal-prosecutors-pursue-substantial-allegations-voting-irregularities-2020-election-certified/

RealClearPolitics un-calls Pennsylvania for Biden.   The state is grey on
their map, now.   Was Blue yesterday.

I do not understand the vitriol against Mr Trump.   He's been an excellent
President for all Americans.
No I didn't ask... I can read everyone's comments, and I have.   For years.

--


On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it has to be
> resistant to buying and selling votes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> 
> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have
> already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one
> can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to
> claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results
> with your code. You can do the same without recording a name.
> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified,
> fairly quickly.
>
> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects
> are the best side effects.
> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be verified
> legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure can be
> used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote accuracy.
>
> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as is
> most of the left's mistakes
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long time.
>> OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
>> cart to have the vote count.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting,
>>> both early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be
>>> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how I
>>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it
>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were
>>> required to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election
>>> day before they could start processing them.  This was apparently also the
>>> case in many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the
>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of the
>>> state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a secure
>>> area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked
>>> (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted for
>>> a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>>>
>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but
>>> I've never

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Chuck McCown

I wish they could invent a secure method to vote online.  But it has to be 
resistant to buying and selling votes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have already 
> dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one can see 
> who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to claim their 
> vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results with your 
> code. You can do the same without recording a name.
> If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified, fairly 
> quickly.
> 
> Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects are 
> the best side effects. 
> You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be verified 
> legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure can be used 
> to canvass a contested district for verification of vote accuracy.
> 
> This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as is 
> most of the left's mistakes
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long time. 
>> OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the 
>>> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet 
>>> cart to have the vote count.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting, both 
>>>> early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be 
>>>> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In 
>>>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the 
>>>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same 
>>>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how 
>>>> I voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would 
>>>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we 
>>>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before 
>>>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it 
>>>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were required 
>>>> to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election day before 
>>>> they could start processing them.  This was apparently also the case in 
>>>> many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the 
>>>> envelopes, uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of the 
>>>> state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a secure 
>>>> area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked 
>>>> (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted 
>>>> for a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>>>> 
>>>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our 
>>>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if 
>>>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48 
>>>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots 
>>>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but 
>>>> I've never had to use it.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> bp
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Adam Moffett
>>>> 
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Steve Jones

It's pretty straight forward to verify integrity of the vote. We have
already dont it with covid test results. We are blind ballot meaning no one
can see who you voted for. Covid result eliminated anyone's ability to
claim their vote was stolen or manipulated since you can check your results
with your code. You can do the same without recording a name.
If there is any question of validity in a count, it can be verified, fairly
quickly.

Covid built us a system to have a secure vote. Inadvertant side effects are
the best side effects.
You register, you are assigned your key. Your registration can be verified
legitimate. You can even vote online. The tracing infrastructure can be
used to canvass a contested district for verification of vote accuracy.

This is the last election where fraud can be claimed... inadvertant, as is
most of the left's mistakes

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020, 12:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a long time.
> OTOH, storage might become an issue.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
> office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
> cart to have the vote count.
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting, both
>> early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be
>> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>>
>>
>>
>> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
>> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
>> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
>> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how I
>> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
>> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
>> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
>> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it
>> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were required
>> to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election day before
>> they could start processing them.  This was apparently also the case in
>> many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the envelopes,
>> uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>
>>
>>
>> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of the
>> state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a secure
>> area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked
>> (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted for
>> a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>>
>> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
>> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
>> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
>> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
>> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but
>> I've never had to use it.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>
>>
>>
>> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>>
>> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.  That
>> way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>
>>
>>
>> The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I
>> remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
The advantage to that is that the records will probably last a
  long time. OTOH, storage might become an issue.

bp

On 11/9/2020 10:16 AM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet,
cart it down to the office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be
able to lift on to the ballet cart to have the vote count.
  
  
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10
  AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:


  

  Our county typically uses touchscreen
machines for in-person voting, both early and day-of. 
(A paper tape record is also printed out and can be
verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick
to process.
   
  Early voting sites were open for 15
days prior to the election.  In addition, there was one
early voting site open 40 days prior to the election,
but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the
same form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it
in a box.  That’s how I voted and I was disappointed
that was the process, I thought they would scan them
through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back
when we used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I
expected as the last step before leaving I would feed
the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it in
an envelope and dropped it in a box.
   
  All the paper ballots including early
in-person and mail-in were required to sit in the locked
boxes until something like 7am on election day before
they could start processing them.  This was apparently
also the case in many battleground states.  They weren’t
even allowed to open the envelopes, uncrease the forms,
check signatures, nothing.
   
   
  

  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
    deafening..

  
   
  In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm
in the rest of the state), they count them as they come
in, but hold the results in a secure area until the
close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are
postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day of the
election will be accepted for a certain amount of time,
but I don't know how long that is.
  We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we
dropped our ballots off, we could go to a ballot status
web site that told us (1) if the ballot had been
received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I
presume if our ballots had not been accepted, there is
some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but I've never
had to use it.
   
  bp
  
  
On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  

  

  Yes, some
  states are doing exactly that.  


  

   


  
From: Adam
Moffett 
  
  
Sent:
Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
  
  
To: af@af.afmug.com
  
  
  
Subject: Re:
        [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
  

  
  
 
  


  Scan
  them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing
  count.  
  
On
11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Lewis Bergman

In our county, we have to quarry a stone tablet, cart it down to the
office, make an X with a tar crayon, and be able to lift on to the ballet
cart to have the vote count.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting, both
> early and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be
> verified by the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.
>
>
>
> Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In
> addition, there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the
> election, but it used paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same
> form as a mail-in ballot, sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how I
> voted and I was disappointed that was the process, I thought they would
> scan them through a “tabulator” as the last step, just like back when we
> used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I expected as the last step before
> leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a scanner.  Instead I sealed it
> in an envelope and dropped it in a box.
>
>
>
> All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were required
> to sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election day before
> they could start processing them.  This was apparently also the case in
> many battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the envelopes,
> uncrease the forms, check signatures, nothing.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of the
> state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a secure
> area until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked
> (if they were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted for
> a certain amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.
>
> We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our
> ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if
> the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48
> hours for our ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots
> had not been accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but
> I've never had to use it.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Yes, some states are doing exactly that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.
>
> On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.  That
> way when the polls close you have an immediate count.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I
> remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or so.
> Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick
> or hang on a corner.
>
> For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you fill
> in the square or the circle.
>
> I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. When
> I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen
> counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running
> errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that)
> took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens
> of drop boxes all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a
> population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.
>
> Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee
> ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3,
> but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until
> after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about
> 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's
> cushion.
>
> I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards.
> Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand,
> there would be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/8/2

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Ken Hohhof

Our county typically uses touchscreen machines for in-person voting, both early 
and day-of.  (A paper tape record is also printed out and can be verified by 
the voter)  Obviously these are very quick to process.

 

Early voting sites were open for 15 days prior to the election.  In addition, 
there was one early voting site open 40 days prior to the election, but it used 
paper ballots.  Basically you filled out the same form as a mail-in ballot, 
sealed it, and dropped it in a box.  That’s how I voted and I was disappointed 
that was the process, I thought they would scan them through a “tabulator” as 
the last step, just like back when we used paper ballots for day-of voting.  I 
expected as the last step before leaving I would feed the paper ballot into a 
scanner.  Instead I sealed it in an envelope and dropped it in a box.

 

All the paper ballots including early in-person and mail-in were required to 
sit in the locked boxes until something like 7am on election day before they 
could start processing them.  This was apparently also the case in many 
battleground states.  They weren’t even allowed to open the envelopes, uncrease 
the forms, check signatures, nothing.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 9:52 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of the 
state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a secure area 
until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked (if they 
were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted for a certain 
amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.

We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our ballots 
off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if the ballot had 
been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48 hours for our 
ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots had not been 
accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but I've never had to 
use it.

 

bp


On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

Yes, some states are doing exactly that.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.  

On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  wrote:

I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.  That way 
when the polls close you have an immediate count.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I remember 
using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or so. Even when you 
punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick or hang on a corner.

For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you fill in 
the square or the circle.

I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. When I 
voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen 
counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running errands 
in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that) took less 
than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop boxes 
all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a population of ~~ 
750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people. 

Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee ballots. 
All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3, but for 
reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until after the 
day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about 85,000 of them, 
and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.

I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards. Perhaps it 
would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand, there would be a 
lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.

 

bp


On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a Maxwell’s 
Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the door when it helps 
the other guy.

That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the Gore 
camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where they 
thought it would help them.  But also the votes had already been counted (and 
recounted).  And there was the original Florida Man, some guy named Hanging 
Chad?  And the phone call and the retraction.

Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  T

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread chuck

Yeah, Utah is the same way.  We know ours was accepted and counted by looking 
online.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 8:51 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest of the 
state), they count them as they come in, but hold the results in a secure area 
until the close of the in-person polls. Ballots that are postmarked (if they 
were mailed) up until the day of the election will be accepted for a certain 
amount of time, but I don't know how long that is.

We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped our ballots 
off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told us (1) if the ballot had 
been received, and (2) if it had been accepted. It took 48 hours for our 
ballots to show up in that system. I presume if our ballots had not been 
accepted, there is some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but I've never had to 
use it.

bp
On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Yes, some states are doing exactly that.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

  Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.  

  On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.  That 
way when the polls close you have an immediate count.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I 
remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or so. Even 
when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick or hang on 
a corner.

For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you fill 
in the square or the circle.

I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. When I 
voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen 
counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running errands 
in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that) took less 
than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop boxes 
all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a population of ~~ 
750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people. 

Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee 
ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3, but 
for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until after the 
day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about 85,000 of them, 
and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.

I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards. Perhaps 
it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand, there would 
be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.

bp
On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a 
Maxwell’s Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the door when 
it helps the other guy.

  That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the 
Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where they 
thought it would help them.  But also the votes had already been counted (and 
recounted).  And there was the original Florida Man, some guy named Hanging 
Chad?  And the phone call and the retraction.

  Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  That does 
not bode well for half the country moving on from this election.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

  In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a 
decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0

bpOn 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:

The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't 
really gotten started yet. 

Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

--

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  Yes good movie.  

  More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political 
parties, which came soon enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan

Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. 
 Set in the fading

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
In our county (and I have no idea if this is the norm in the rest
  of the state), they count them as they come in, but hold the
  results in a secure area until the close of the in-person polls.
  Ballots that are postmarked (if they were mailed) up until the day
  of the election will be accepted for a certain amount of time, but
  I don't know how long that is.
We also have an online ballot tracking system. After we dropped
  our ballots off, we could go to a ballot status web site that told
  us (1) if the ballot had been received, and (2) if it had been
  accepted. It took 48 hours for our ballots to show up in that
  system. I presume if our ballots had not been accepted, there is
  some sort of mechanism to go fix that, but I've never had to use
  it.


bp

On 11/9/2020 7:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Yes, some states are doing exactly that.  
  

   
  
From: Adam
Moffett 
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
  deafening..
  

 
  
  
Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing
  count.  

On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive
is the way to go.  That way when the polls close you
have an immediate count.  
  

   
  
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38
  PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence
  is deafening..
  

 
  
  
The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed
  from the beginning. I remember using it when I
  lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or so.
  Even when you punched out a hole properly, the
  chads would sometime stick or hang on a corner.
For quite some time now, we've been using the
  paper ballots where you fill in the square or the
  circle.
I've also been registered as a permanent absentee
  for over a decade. When I voted (almost a month
  ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen
  counter, and took them to a drop box the next day
  when we were running errands in town. The actual
  act of "voting" (if you want to call it that) took
  less than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots
  off at one of dozens of drop boxes all over the
  county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a
  population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for
  every 20,000 people. 

Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the
  late arrival absentee ballots. All of the ones
  they've counted so far arrived before November 3,
  but for reasons I don't understand were not
  allowed to be counted until after the day-of
  voting. From the things I've read, there are only
  about 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do
  anything but extend Biden's cushion.
I (for one) would be in favor of uniform
  voting/counting standards. Perhaps it would be a
  violation of state's rights, but on the other
  hand, there would be a lot less confusion when the
  time for voting comes around.
 
bp

On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM,
  Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  -- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread chuck

Yes, some states are doing exactly that.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 8:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.  

On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.  That way 
when the polls close you have an immediate count.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

  The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I 
remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or so. Even 
when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick or hang on 
a corner.

  For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you fill in 
the square or the circle.

  I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. When I 
voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen 
counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running errands 
in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that) took less 
than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop boxes 
all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a population of ~~ 
750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people. 

  Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee ballots. 
All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3, but for 
reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until after the 
day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about 85,000 of them, 
and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.

  I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards. Perhaps 
it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand, there would 
be a lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.

bp
On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a 
Maxwell’s Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the door when 
it helps the other guy.

That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the 
Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where they 
thought it would help them.  But also the votes had already been counted (and 
recounted).  And there was the original Florida Man, some guy named Hanging 
Chad?  And the phone call and the retraction.

Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  That does 
not bode well for half the country moving on from this election.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a 
decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0

bpOn 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:

  The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't 
really gotten started yet. 

  Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

  --

  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Yes good movie.  

More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political 
parties, which came soon enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan

  Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  
Set in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and 
deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the 
righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea 
that you sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent 
you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would 
probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s 
an old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look 
at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, 
Edmond O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

  The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California 
existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

 bpOn 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

U. No. The EC was created so that Californi

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-09 Thread Adam Moffett


Scan them as they go, but don't publish the ongoing count.

On 11/8/2020 4:45 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.  
That way when the polls close you have an immediate count.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I 
remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or 
so. Even when you punched out a hole properly, the chads would 
sometime stick or hang on a corner.


For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you 
fill in the square or the circle.


I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. 
When I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at 
the kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we 
were running errands in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want 
to call it that) took less than 1 minute as we just dropped the 
ballots off at one of dozens of drop boxes all over the county.Our 
county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a population of ~~ 750,000, or 
about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people.


Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee 
ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before 
November 3, but for reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be 
counted until after the day-of voting. From the things I've read, 
there are only about 85,000 of them, and they are unlikely to do 
anything but extend Biden's cushion.


I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards. 
Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other 
hand, there would be a lot less confusion when the time for voting 
comes around.


bp

On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a 
Maxwell’s Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the 
door when it helps the other guy.


That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, 
the Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the 
counties where they thought it would help them.  But also the votes 
had already been counted (and recounted).  And there was the original 
Florida Man, some guy named Hanging Chad?  And the phone call and the 
retraction.


Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  That 
does not bode well for half the country moving on from this election.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a 
decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0>


bp


On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:

The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing
hasn't really gotten started yet.

Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

--

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

Yes good movie.

More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas,
Lancaster...

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of
political parties, which came soon enough.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan>

Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot
Liberty Valance.  Set in the fading days of the old west
with territories becoming states and deciding who to
elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy
Stewart the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw
gang leader?  The old fashioned idea that you sent the
brightest and best educated person to Washington to
represent you. Hah!  Politicians are not held in great
esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty
Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an
old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but
it’s a must see.  Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John
Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond
O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill
Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before
California existed.

htt

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

I think vote by mail and scan them as they arrive is the way to go.  That way 
when the polls close you have an immediate count.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the beginning. I remember 
using it when I lived in Santa Clara County  30 years ago or so. Even when you 
punched out a hole properly, the chads would sometime stick or hang on a corner.

For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where you fill in 
the square or the circle.

I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a decade. When I 
voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our ballots at the kitchen 
counter, and took them to a drop box the next day when we were running errands 
in town. The actual act of "voting" (if you want to call it that) took less 
than 1 minute as we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop boxes 
all over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a population of ~~ 
750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000 people. 

Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival absentee ballots. 
All of the ones they've counted so far arrived before November 3, but for 
reasons I don't understand were not allowed to be counted until after the 
day-of voting. From the things I've read, there are only about 85,000 of them, 
and they are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.

I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting standards. Perhaps it 
would be a violation of state's rights, but on the other hand, there would be a 
lot less confusion when the time for voting comes around.

bp
On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a Maxwell’s 
Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the door when it helps 
the other guy.

  That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the 
Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where they 
thought it would help them.  But also the votes had already been counted (and 
recounted).  And there was the original Florida Man, some guy named Hanging 
Chad?  And the phone call and the retraction.

  Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  That does not 
bode well for half the country moving on from this election.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

  In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a 
decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0

bpOn 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:

The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't really 
gotten started yet. 

Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

--

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Yes good movie.  

  More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, 
which came soon enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan

Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  
Set in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and 
deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the 
righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea 
that you sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent 
you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would 
probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s 
an old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look 
at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, 
Edmond O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

 bpOn 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

  U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice 
power as Rhode Island. 

On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly 
Electoral College shenanigans; which a

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..


  
  
The whole punch card voting "system"  was doomed from the
  beginning. I remember using it when I lived in Santa Clara County 
  30 years ago or so. Even when you punched out a hole properly, the
  chads would sometime stick or hang on a corner.
For quite some time now, we've been using the paper ballots where
  you fill in the square or the circle.
I've also been registered as a permanent absentee for over a
  decade. When I voted (almost a month ago now), we filled out our
  ballots at the kitchen counter, and took them to a drop box the
  next day when we were running errands in town. The actual act of
  "voting" (if you want to call it that) took less than 1 minute as
  we just dropped the ballots off at one of dozens of drop boxes all
  over the county.Our county has (IIRC) 39 drop boxes for a
  population of ~~ 750,000, or about 1 drop box for every 20,000
  people. 

Pennsylvania still hasn't started counting the late arrival
  absentee ballots. All of the ones they've counted so far arrived
  before November 3, but for reasons I don't understand were not
  allowed to be counted until after the day-of voting. From the
  things I've read, there are only about 85,000 of them, and they
  are unlikely to do anything but extend Biden's cushion.
I (for one) would be in favor of uniform voting/counting
  standards. Perhaps it would be a violation of state's rights, but
  on the other hand, there would be a lot less confusion when the
  time for voting comes around.


bp

On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep
  counting in Arizona.  It’s a Maxwell’s Demon approach.  Open
  the door when it helps me, close the door when it helps the
  other guy.
 
That’s probably why the Supremes stopped
  the recounts in Bush v Gore, the Gore camp wanted to keep
  looking for errors but only in the counties where they thought
  it would help them.  But also the votes had already been
  counted (and recounted).  And there was the original Florida
  Man, some guy named Hanging Chad?  And the phone call and the
  retraction.
 
Democrats to this day take it as gospel
  that Gore was robbed.  That does not bode well for half the
  country moving on from this election.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
  

 
In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're
  demanding a decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
bp


  On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:


  
The declaration that Biden has won is
  premature.   This thing hasn't really gotten started yet.
  

  Judges don't hold court on the
weekends.


   


  --

  
   
  

  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:


  
Yes good movie.  

  More akin to today is Seven Days
in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

  
   
  

  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken
Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
wrote:


  

  The
Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of
political parties, which came soon enough.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
   
  Somehow
I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot
Liberty Valance.  Set in the fading days of the
old west with territories becoming states and
deciding who to elect as their representatives. 
Should it be Jimmy Stewart the righteous lawyer,
or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old
fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and
best educated person to Washington to repre

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread Robert

There have been many election authorities already chiming in that 
recounts only account for a couple hundred votes _UNLESS_ there was a 
major screwup.   Most of the same said this was way to closely watched 
for a thousand vote error not to speak of something more..


On 11/8/20 10:02 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a 
decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0

bp

On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
The declaration that Biden has won is premature.  This thing hasn't 
really gotten started yet.

Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

--

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Yes good movie.
More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas,
Lancaster...

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political
parties, which came soon enough.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan

Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty
Valance.  Set in the fading days of the old west with
territories becoming states and deciding who to elect as
their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the
righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The
old fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best
educated person to Washington to represent you.  Hah! 
Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would
probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has
seen the movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he
shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the cast –
Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy
Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before
California existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

  


bp



On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

U. No. The EC was created so that California has the
same voice power as Rhode Island.



On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince
 <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote:



Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the
silly Electoral College shenanigans; which actually
evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a person
nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're
still dealing with decisions we made about slaves.

bp



On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We have spoken.

Righteous Indignation



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread Jaime Solorza

Look at John McCain's concession speech.  Class act .. very different from
loser Trump.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 12:43 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> There's a reason we've been celebrating Florida Man for the last 20 years.
> And whether you do or don't like Gore, he was very gracious when it was
> called against him.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a
> Maxwell’s Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the door
> when it helps the other guy.
>
>
>
> That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the
> Gore camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where
> they thought it would help them.  But also the votes had already been
> counted (and recounted).  And there was the original Florida Man, some guy
> named Hanging Chad?  And the phone call and the retraction.
>
>
>
> Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  That does
> not bode well for half the country moving on from this election.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a
> decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:
>
> The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't
> really gotten started yet.
>
> Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Yes good movie.
>
> More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties,
> which came soon enough.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
>
>
>
> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set
> in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and
> deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart
> the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old
> fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to
> Washington to represent you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great
> esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume
> everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he
> shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart,
> John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John
> Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power
> as Rhode Island.
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince 
>  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral
> College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of
> a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing
> with decisions we made about slaves.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> We have spoken.
>
>
>
> Righteous Indignation
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..


  
  
There's a reason we've been celebrating Florida Man for the last
  20 years. And whether you do or don't like Gore, he was very
  gracious when it was called against him.


bp

On 11/8/2020 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep
  counting in Arizona.  It’s a Maxwell’s Demon approach.  Open
  the door when it helps me, close the door when it helps the
  other guy.
 
That’s probably why the Supremes stopped
  the recounts in Bush v Gore, the Gore camp wanted to keep
  looking for errors but only in the counties where they thought
  it would help them.  But also the votes had already been
  counted (and recounted).  And there was the original Florida
  Man, some guy named Hanging Chad?  And the phone call and the
  retraction.
 
Democrats to this day take it as gospel
  that Gore was robbed.  That does not bode well for half the
  country moving on from this election.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
  

 
In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're
  demanding a decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0
bp


  On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:


  
The declaration that Biden has won is
  premature.   This thing hasn't really gotten started yet.
  

  Judges don't hold court on the
weekends.


   


  --

  
   
  

  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime
Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:


  
Yes good movie.  

  More akin to today is Seven Days
in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

  
   
  

  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken
Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
wrote:


  

  The
Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of
political parties, which came soon enough.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
   
  Somehow
I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot
Liberty Valance.  Set in the fading days of the
old west with territories becoming states and
deciding who to elect as their representatives. 
Should it be Jimmy Stewart the righteous lawyer,
or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old
fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and
best educated person to Washington to represent
you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great
esteem today, and we would probably vote for
Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the
movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in fact
he shot it in B, but it’s a must see. 
Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne,
Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond
O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
   
   
  

  From:
AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46
PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence
    is deafening..

  
   
  The three-fifths compromise was enacted long
before California existed.
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Gore could have been robbed but we will never know for certain.  I am certainly 
willing to admit it was possible.

I am glad we don’t have a hanging chad issue with this election.  That was not 
a fun time of waiting.  And it is good to remember Gore was exercising every 
option he had too.  

While he was not as abrasive as Trump, he retracted his concession and tried 
everything he could to swing it.  You cannot blame the presumptive loser for 
trying if it is close.  

But in this latest election it does not appear to be quite that close.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a Maxwell’s 
Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the door when it helps 
the other guy.

 

That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the Gore 
camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where they 
thought it would help them.  But also the votes had already been counted (and 
recounted).  And there was the original Florida Man, some guy named Hanging 
Chad?  And the phone call and the retraction.

 

Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  That does not 
bode well for half the country moving on from this election.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a decount. 
In Georgia it's opposites day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0

bpOn 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:

  The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't really 
gotten started yet. 

  Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

   

  --

   

  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Yes good movie.  

More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, 
which came soon enough.

  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan

   

  Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set 
in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and 
deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the 
righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea 
that you sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent 
you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would 
probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s 
an old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look 
at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, 
Edmond O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

   

  The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

 bpOn 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice 
power as Rhode Island. 

 

  On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
wrote:

   

  Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral 
College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a 
person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing with 
decisions we made about slaves.

   

bpOn 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We have spoken. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread Ken Hohhof

Stop the vote in Pennsylvania but keep counting in Arizona.  It’s a Maxwell’s 
Demon approach.  Open the door when it helps me, close the door when it helps 
the other guy.

 

That’s probably why the Supremes stopped the recounts in Bush v Gore, the Gore 
camp wanted to keep looking for errors but only in the counties where they 
thought it would help them.  But also the votes had already been counted (and 
recounted).  And there was the original Florida Man, some guy named Hanging 
Chad?  And the phone call and the retraction.

 

Democrats to this day take it as gospel that Gore was robbed.  That does not 
bode well for half the country moving on from this election.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're demanding a decount. 
In Georgia it's opposites day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0

bp


On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname wrote:

The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't really 
gotten started yet. 

Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

 

--

 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes good movie.  

More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, which 
came soon enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan

 

Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set in the 
fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and deciding who 
to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the righteous 
lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea that you 
sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent you.  
Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would probably 
vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old 
John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the 
cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond 
O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

 
bp


On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power as 
Rhode Island. 

 

On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince  <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral College 
shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a person 
nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing with decisions 
we made about slaves.

 

bp


On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We have spoken. 

 

Righteous Indignation

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..


  
  
In Michigan we're demanding a recount. In Wisconsin we're
  demanding a decount. In Georgia it's opposites day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LmFVEi5Jd0

bp

On 11/7/2020 8:27 PM, justsumname
  wrote:


  
  The declaration that Biden has won is premature. 
 This thing hasn't really gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the weekends.


--
  
  
  
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM
  Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
  wrote:


  Yes good movie. 
More akin to today is Seven Days in
  May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
  
  
  
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22
  PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
  wrote:


  

  The Founding Fathers didn’t
account for the rise of political parties, which
came soon enough.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
   
  Somehow I’m reminded of the movie
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set in the fading
days of the old west with territories becoming
states and deciding who to elect as their
representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the
righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang
leader?  The old fashioned idea that you sent the
brightest and best educated person to Washington to
represent you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in
great esteem today, and we would probably vote for
Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the
movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he
shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at
the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin,
Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John
Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
   
   
  

  From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
    deafening..

  
   
  The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before
California existed.
  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
  
   
  bp
  
  
On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt
  Hoppes wrote:
  
  

  U. No. The EC was created
so that California has the same voice power as
Rhode Island. 


  

  
  
On
  Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  


  
 
Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't
  have the silly Electoral College shenanigans;
  which actually evolved from the crazy slave is
  3/5 of a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250
  years later and we're still dealing with
  decisions we made about slaves.
 
bp


  On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM,
Jaime Solorza wrote:


  
We have spoken. 

   


  Righteous Indignation

  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

74 is what I am talking about, not 68.  

Every president gets a reality check when they get in the pilot’s seat.  Things 
they said or did during the campaign turn out at times to be impractical or 
just plain wrong.  Whether Nixon did it out of political expediency or 
desperation or because it was the right thing to do, he pulled us out of 
Vietnam and ended it.  

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html


On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 10:59 AM  wrote:

  Nixon ended the war.  My dad hired hippies at the start of summer every year 
in Oregon.  Many of them were refugees from society believing civilization was 
coming to an end.  They loved to debate politics with me as a young man.  When 
they got down on Nixon I would just say he ended the war.  It always ended the 
debate.

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 9:52 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

  Nixon was intelligent, articulate and knew his shit.  He did some positive 
things for the USA ...too bad he fucked it up. 
  Trump is best summed up in one word..
  Inept

  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:36 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Speaking of John Ford, you remind me of Gerald Ford who said "Our long 
national nightmare is over." That was back in the days when you could shame a 
corrupt president. I didn't particularly like Richard Nixon, but I still have 
more respect for him than for 45.



bp
On 11/7/2020 3:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, 
which came soon enough.

  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan



  Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set 
in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and 
deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the 
righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea 
that you sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent 
you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would 
probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s 
an old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look 
at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, 
Edmond O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.





  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..



  The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

 bpOn 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice 
power as Rhode Island. 





  On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
wrote:

   

  Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral 
College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a 
person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing with 
decisions we made about slaves.



bpOn 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We have spoken. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread Chuck Macenski

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/nixon-tried-to-spoil-johnsons-vietnam-peace-talks-in-68-notes-show.html

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 10:59 AM  wrote:

> Nixon ended the war.  My dad hired hippies at the start of summer every
> year in Oregon.  Many of them were refugees from society believing
> civilization was coming to an end.  They loved to debate politics with me
> as a young man.  When they got down on Nixon I would just say he ended the
> war.  It always ended the debate.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 9:52 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
> Nixon was intelligent, articulate and knew his shit.  He did some positive
> things for the USA ...too bad he fucked it up.
> Trump is best summed up in one word..
> Inept
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:36 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Speaking of John Ford, you remind me of Gerald Ford who said "Our long
>> national nightmare is over." That was back in the days when you could shame
>> a corrupt president. I didn't particularly like Richard Nixon, but I still
>> have more respect for him than for 45.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/7/2020 3:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties,
>> which came soon enough.
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
>>
>>
>>
>> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set
>> in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and
>> deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart
>> the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old
>> fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to
>> Washington to represent you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great
>> esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume
>> everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he
>> shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart,
>> John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John
>> Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>
>>
>>
>> The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power
>> as Rhode Island.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral
>> College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of
>> a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing
>> with decisions we made about slaves.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> We have spoken.
>>
>>
>>
>> Righteous Indignation
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread Ken Hohhof

So it's too early for "Hail! Hail to Dorothy!" and "Ding Dong the witch is 
dead"?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:14 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

It ain't over until the fat man tweets.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Technically it is premature.  Lots of steps and challenges left to go through.  
Lots of certifications, then electoral college elections, then congress acting 
on the results.  We are months away from Biden to be able to “technically” 
claim he won. 

Game is not over until the fat lady sings. 

But all Biden has to do now is to take the hike then take a knee. 

But he hasn’t really won yet.  Winning is getting inaugurated.  It appears he 
is the president elect.  That is about all he can claim at the moment. 

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 9:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Bullshit

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 9:28 PM justsumname  wrote:
The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't really 
gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:
Yes good movie. 
More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, which 
came soon enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan]

Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set in the 
fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and deciding who 
to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the righteous 
lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea that you 
sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent you.  
Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would probably 
vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old 
John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the 
cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond 
O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise]

bp

On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power as 
Rhode Island.

On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:

Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral College 
shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a person 
nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing with decisions 
we made about slaves.

bp

On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We have spoken.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread fiberrun

It ain't over until the fat man tweets.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Technically it is premature.  Lots of steps and challenges left to go through.  
Lots of certifications, then electoral college elections, then congress acting 
on the results.  We are months away from Biden to be able to “technically” 
claim he won. 

Game is not over until the fat lady sings. 

But all Biden has to do now is to take the hike then take a knee. 

But he hasn’t really won yet.  Winning is getting inaugurated.  It appears he 
is the president elect.  That is about all he can claim at the moment. 

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 9:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Bullshit

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 9:28 PM justsumname  wrote:
The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't really 
gotten started yet.
Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

--

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:
Yes good movie. 
More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, which 
came soon enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan]

Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set in the 
fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and deciding who 
to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the righteous 
lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea that you 
sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent you.  
Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would probably 
vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old 
John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the 
cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond 
O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise]

bp

On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power as 
Rhode Island.

On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:

Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral College 
shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a person 
nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing with decisions 
we made about slaves.

bp

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We have spoken.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Technically it is premature.  Lots of steps and challenges left to go through.  
Lots of certifications, then electoral college elections, then congress acting 
on the results.  We are months away from Biden to be able to “technically” 
claim he won.  

Game is not over until the fat lady sings.  

But all Biden has to do now is to take the hike then take a knee.  

But he hasn’t really won yet.  Winning is getting inaugurated.  It appears he 
is the president elect.  That is about all he can claim at the moment.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 9:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Bullshit

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 9:28 PM justsumname  wrote:

  The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't really 
gotten started yet. 
  Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

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  On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Yes good movie.  
More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, 
which came soon enough.

  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan



  Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set 
in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and 
deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the 
righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea 
that you sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent 
you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would 
probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s 
an old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look 
at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, 
Edmond O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..



  The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

 bpOn 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice 
power as Rhode Island. 





  On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
wrote:

   

  Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral 
College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a 
person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing with 
decisions we made about slaves.



bpOn 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We have spoken. 



Righteous Indignation





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Nixon ended the war.  My dad hired hippies at the start of summer every year in 
Oregon.  Many of them were refugees from society believing civilization was 
coming to an end.  They loved to debate politics with me as a young man.  When 
they got down on Nixon I would just say he ended the war.  It always ended the 
debate.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

Nixon was intelligent, articulate and knew his shit.  He did some positive 
things for the USA ...too bad he fucked it up. 
Trump is best summed up in one word..
Inept

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:36 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Speaking of John Ford, you remind me of Gerald Ford who said "Our long 
national nightmare is over." That was back in the days when you could shame a 
corrupt president. I didn't particularly like Richard Nixon, but I still have 
more respect for him than for 45.

bp
On 11/7/2020 3:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, 
which came soon enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan

Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set in 
the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and deciding 
who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the 
righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea 
that you sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent 
you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would 
probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s 
an old John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look 
at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, 
Edmond O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

 bpOn 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

  U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power 
as Rhode Island. 

On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral 
College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a 
person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing with 
decisions we made about slaves.

bpOn 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  We have spoken. 

  Righteous Indignation

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread Jaime Solorza

Bullshit

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 9:28 PM justsumname  wrote:

> The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't
> really gotten started yet.
> Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
>
> --
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes good movie.
>> More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties,
>>> which came soon enough.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set
>>> in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and
>>> deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart
>>> the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old
>>> fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to
>>> Washington to represent you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great
>>> esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume
>>> everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he
>>> shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart,
>>> John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John
>>> Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>
>>> U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice
>>> power as Rhode Island.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral
>>> College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of
>>> a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing
>>> with decisions we made about slaves.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> We have spoken.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Righteous Indignation
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread Jaime Solorza

Nixon was intelligent, articulate and knew his shit.  He did some positive
things for the USA ...too bad he fucked it up.
Trump is best summed up in one word..
Inept

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:36 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Speaking of John Ford, you remind me of Gerald Ford who said "Our long
> national nightmare is over." That was back in the days when you could shame
> a corrupt president. I didn't particularly like Richard Nixon, but I still
> have more respect for him than for 45.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/7/2020 3:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties,
> which came soon enough.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
>
>
>
> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set
> in the fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and
> deciding who to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart
> the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old
> fashioned idea that you sent the brightest and best educated person to
> Washington to represent you.  Hah!  Politicians are not held in great
> esteem today, and we would probably vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume
> everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in fact he
> shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart,
> John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond O’Brien, John
> Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power
> as Rhode Island.
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince 
>  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral
> College shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of
> a person nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing
> with decisions we made about slaves.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> We have spoken.
>
>
>
> Righteous Indignation
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

This was completely expected.  Under no scenario would have had Trump losing 
and acting in any other way.  

Born with a golden spoon in his mouth, surrounded his whole life by sycophants. 
 Bullying to always get his way, belittling and denigrating anyone that he 
viewed as contrary to his particular vision at any moment lead him to believe 
his own stuff.  

He lacks the ability for introspection.  He is mentally handicapped in this 
respect.  Delusional.  Being a pitchman full of puffery is one thing.  That 
comes naturally to him.  But actually believing your own puffery is a huge 
defect.  You gotta know when to cut your losses and beat it out of town.  Live 
to fight another day.  But he is choosing to die on this hill thus killing any 
legacy he might have.  

He is a spoiled brat, and lacks all sense of being gracious or a good sport 
about anything.  He is not fully human in this respect.  So, this reaction was 
100% predictable.  If he was a football coach he would ask for a review of 
every play and then steal the trophy when he lost.  

Just sit back, get some popcorn and see how far he will take it.  Personally 
seeing him being frog walked out of the Whitehouse by SS agents on inauguration 
day would be highly entertaining.  Perhaps they will have to wrestle the 
football from him.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

If trump and his supporters believe all the lies he's been spewing since 
Thursday, you have to get your head checked. Don't believe things without 
evidence. Trust no one, only yourself and your ability to fact check what 
people say. 

Fact checking trump's statements since Tuesday show he has lied on nearly 
everything about the election with no evidence to back up his claims. From 
claiming he's won states that haven't been called, to saying he "WON THE 
ELECTION BY ALOT" yesterday when he's losing the popular vote and electoral 
vote. Then claiming all of these jurisdictions are "finding Biden votes" when 
they're simply counting legal ballots already cast. 

We're seeing mail-in ballots are more Democrat than republican votes which 
makes sense that as they're counted, they'll favor Biden.

Then trump claims they're throwing out and blocking republican poll watchers 
which has been proven FALSE in every case. In Detroit for example there were 
over 200 poll watchers each for Dem and Rep, and nearly 70+ independent 
watchers. But as more people outside tried to enter the building, they said no 
because there were already 470+ watchers inside plus the press. They don't need 
to let in anymore people so then the conspiracies started.

All I see is trump is a very sore loser trying to cast doubt on our free 
election process. Aren't his supporters all about freedom and democracy? If so, 
how does calling the election a fraud help that belief? This has been the most 
fair and scrutinized election in history so as others stated, there's no big 
conspiracy being pulled off when elections are run by all parties, not just 
democrats. 

Good luck in court trump. All you're doing is making these lawyers some money 
and making a laughing stock out of yourself. Learn how to lose in a fair 
election and don't incite violence and doubt on the election process.

Hopefully future republican candidates aren't celebrities with an ego like 
trump's. We need a professional in this office who cares about every American. 
Biden was not who I wanted to win the Dem primary but he did. I would have 
preferred Klobuchar or Buttigieg as they both seemed moderate and willing to 
work with everyone.

I'm hoping this Biden win resets congress to wanting to pass bipartisan 
legislation instead of fighting with the president like they did with Obama. 
Unfortunately, I still believe congress fought Obama on everything because he's 
black. Now that an old white guy Democrat will be president and they have a 
history with him, my hope is they'll work on deals and get stuff done. I'm sick 
of the radical left AND right and prefer people meet in the middle, close 
enough to shake hands. I don't think that's too much to ask of our elected 
officials. 

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 9:19 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Could be a made-up story, but somebody on the TV told of encountering people 
in other countries who could recite John McCain’s 2008 concession speech word 
for word because it had been taught as an example of how democracy works.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:58 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..



  It would be the King Kong of conspiracies to pull off. Getting hundreds of 
thousands of poll workers to stay quiet and do a coordinated effort in (I 
think) thousands of local polling places. It blows the mind how that could 
happen. 

  And like you said, there have been 9 or 10 suits

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread Darin Steffl

If trump and his supporters believe all the lies he's been spewing since
Thursday, you have to get your head checked. Don't believe things without
evidence. Trust no one, only yourself and your ability to fact check what
people say.

Fact checking trump's statements since Tuesday show he has lied on nearly
everything about the election with no evidence to back up his claims. From
claiming he's won states that haven't been called, to saying he "WON THE
ELECTION BY ALOT" yesterday when he's losing the popular vote and electoral
vote. Then claiming all of these jurisdictions are "finding Biden votes"
when they're simply counting legal ballots already cast.

We're seeing mail-in ballots are more Democrat than republican votes which
makes sense that as they're counted, they'll favor Biden.

Then trump claims they're throwing out and blocking republican poll
watchers which has been proven FALSE in every case. In Detroit for example
there were over 200 poll watchers each for Dem and Rep, and nearly 70+
independent watchers. But as more people outside tried to enter the
building, they said no because there were already 470+ watchers inside plus
the press. They don't need to let in anymore people so then the
conspiracies started.

All I see is trump is a very sore loser trying to cast doubt on our free
election process. Aren't his supporters all about freedom and democracy? If
so, how does calling the election a fraud help that belief? This has been
the most fair and scrutinized election in history so as others stated,
there's no big conspiracy being pulled off when elections are run by all
parties, not just democrats.

Good luck in court trump. All you're doing is making these lawyers some
money and making a laughing stock out of yourself. Learn how to lose in a
fair election and don't incite violence and doubt on the election process.

Hopefully future republican candidates aren't celebrities with an ego like
trump's. We need a professional in this office who cares about every
American. Biden was not who I wanted to win the Dem primary but he did. I
would have preferred Klobuchar or Buttigieg as they both seemed moderate
and willing to work with everyone.

I'm hoping this Biden win resets congress to wanting to pass bipartisan
legislation instead of fighting with the president like they did with
Obama. Unfortunately, I still believe congress fought Obama on everything
because he's black. Now that an old white guy Democrat will be president
and they have a history with him, my hope is they'll work on deals and get
stuff done. I'm sick of the radical left AND right and prefer people meet
in the middle, close enough to shake hands. I don't think that's too much
to ask of our elected officials.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 9:19 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Could be a made-up story, but somebody on the TV told of encountering
> people in other countries who could recite John McCain’s 2008 concession
> speech word for word because it had been taught as an example of how
> democracy works.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:58 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> It would be the King Kong of conspiracies to pull off. Getting hundreds of
> thousands of poll workers to stay quiet and do a coordinated effort in (I
> think) thousands of local polling places. It blows the mind how that could
> happen.
>
> And like you said, there have been 9 or 10 suits brought to court (so far)
> and every one has been tossed for lack of evidence.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 11/8/2020 6:53 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> In a case like this judges will work weekends and nights.  I will be
> surprised if a single case gets accepted.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Ken Hohhof  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *justsumname
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 10:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..
>
>
>
> The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't
> really gotten started yet.
>
> Judges don't hold court on the weekends.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Yes good movie.
>
> More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties,
> which came soon enough.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
>
>
>
> Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set
> in the fading days of the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

2020-11-08 Thread Ken Hohhof

Could be a made-up story, but somebody on the TV told of encountering people in 
other countries who could recite John McCain’s 2008 concession speech word for 
word because it had been taught as an example of how democracy works.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:58 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

It would be the King Kong of conspiracies to pull off. Getting hundreds of 
thousands of poll workers to stay quiet and do a coordinated effort in (I 
think) thousands of local polling places. It blows the mind how that could 
happen. 

And like you said, there have been 9 or 10 suits brought to court (so far) and 
every one has been tossed for lack of evidence.

 

bp


On 11/8/2020 6:53 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

In a case like this judges will work weekends and nights.  I will be surprised 
if a single case gets accepted.

Sent from my iPhone





On Nov 8, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Ken Hohhof  <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
 wrote:

 



 

From: AF  <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>  On Behalf 
Of justsumname
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 10:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

The declaration that Biden has won is premature.   This thing hasn't really 
gotten started yet.

Judges don't hold court on the weekends.

 

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Yes good movie. 

More akin to today is Seven Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...

 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

The Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise of political parties, which 
came soon enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan

 

Somehow I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  Set in the 
fading days of the old west with territories becoming states and deciding who 
to elect as their representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart the righteous 
lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw gang leader?  The old fashioned idea that you 
sent the brightest and best educated person to Washington to represent you.  
Hah!  Politicians are not held in great esteem today, and we would probably 
vote for Liberty Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the movie.  It’s an old 
John Ford western, in fact he shot it in B, but it’s a must see.  Look at the 
cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond 
O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:46 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..

 

The three-fifths compromise was enacted long before California existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

 
bp


On 11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

U. No. The EC was created so that California has the same voice power as 
Rhode Island. 

 

On Nov 7, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Bill Prince  <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

 

Could have been over on Tuesday if we didn't have the silly Electoral College 
shenanigans; which actually evolved from the crazy slave is 3/5 of a person 
nonsense. Here we are ~~ 250 years later and we're still dealing with decisions 
we made about slaves.

 

bp


On 11/7/2020 11:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

We have spoken. 

 

Righteous Indignation

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..


  
  
It would be the King Kong of conspiracies to pull off. Getting
  hundreds of thousands of poll workers to stay quiet and do a
  coordinated effort in (I think) thousands of local polling places.
  It blows the mind how that could happen. 

And like you said, there have been 9 or 10 suits brought to court
  (so far) and every one has been tossed for lack of evidence.


bp

On 11/8/2020 6:53 AM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  In a case like this judges will work weekends and nights.  I will
  be surprised if a single case gets accepted.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Nov 8, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Ken Hohhof
   wrote:
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  


 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of justsumname
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 10:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is
deafening..

 

  The declaration that Biden has won is
premature.   This thing hasn't really gotten started
yet.
  
Judges don't hold court on the
  weekends.
  
  
 
  
  
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 6:40 PM
  Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  
  

  Yes good movie. 
  
More akin to today is Seven
  Days in May...March, Douglas, Lancaster...
  

 

  
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020, 4:22 PM
  Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
  wrote:
  
  

  
The
  Founding Fathers didn’t account for the rise
  of political parties, which came soon enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#Original_plan
 
Somehow
  I’m reminded of the movie The Man Who Shot
  Liberty Valance.  Set in the fading days of
  the old west with territories becoming states
  and deciding who to elect as their
  representatives.  Should it be Jimmy Stewart
  the righteous lawyer, or Lee Marvin the outlaw
  gang leader?  The old fashioned idea that you
  sent the brightest and best educated person to
  Washington to represent you.  Hah! 
  Politicians are not held in great esteem
  today, and we would probably vote for Liberty
  Valance.  I assume everyone has seen the
  movie.  It’s an old John Ford western, in fact
  he shot it in B, but it’s a must see. 
  Look at the cast – Jimmy Stewart, John Wayne,
  Lee Marvin, Vera Miles, Andy Devine, Edmond
  O’Brien, John Caradine, Lee Van Cleef.
 
 

  
From:
  AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020
  4:46 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: The
      Silence is deafening..
  

 
The three-fifths compromise was enacted long
  before California existed.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

 
bp


  On
11/7/2020 12:54 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:


  
U.
  No. The EC was created so that California

Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Silence is deafening..