Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with grandmother and grandfather's records

[Diane DeMelo]

JR,

Oh my goodness - you are amazing! I was looking at the archives last night 
hoping to indeed find his record but I couldn't make sense of what I was 
reading (still learning to make sense of the cursive). This is amazing 
information. I absolutely cannot thank you enough! 

Diane

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 9:39:17 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> This appears to be your Jose baptised in Povoacao. The name of person to 
> whom Jose was given is, Anna Violante da Motta, viuva (widow). She is 
> native of Faial da Terra. Doesn't say who was her husband. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1860-1869/SMG-PV-MAEDEDEUS-B-1860-1869_item1/P461.html
>
> Jose, No- 96, exposto, bap- June 7- 1866. Given to Anna Violante da Motta, 
> viuva, morador na Faial da Terra. The godfather is Jose de Rezende, and 
> this is perhaps where Jose obtained his name.
>
> JR
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 7:27:33 PM UTC-4, Diane DeMelo wrote:
>>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Such fascinating and helpful 
>> information! I enjoyed reading the naming practices. Insightful article 
>> about Finding Your Roots too!
>>
>> Such a fascinating narrative about what may have happened with Maria and 
>> the baby. It'll just be one of those things we'll never know! I did locate 
>> a woman in my cousin's tree called Violante Rosa de Medeiros Festa who 
>> lived in Faial da Terra with an occupation as midwife/parteira that would 
>> have been 30 in 1866 when Jose was born. Interesting. 
>>
>> My parents are both deceased and the only living sibling of my dad is his 
>> younger sister, about 82. She's in good physical health but she's been in 
>> the Casa de Saúde in Ponta Delgada since she was 18. I was there last in 
>> 2017 and wish I had been interested in this at the time. There's a 
>> possibility I might visit next year and I think for her the best thing 
>> would be a cheek swab so it looks like FTDNA would fit the bill for that. I 
>> did my own testing with 23andme. I've uploaded my results to FTDNA on your 
>> suggestion and will eagerly await the results. 
>>
>> I have a lot of research ahead of me! I appreciate all the help and 
>> advice!
>>
>> Diane
>>
>> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Diane DM,
>>>
>>> They are small villages and people talk. People may have seen Maria and 
>>> knew she was pregnant. And perhaps Maria thought no one saw her or no one 
>>> would talk. So after giving birth, she leaves her baby at the roda (the 
>>> wheel - it's like a Lazy Susan for offerings given to the church). The baby 
>>> is turned over to the Camara and they assign a nursing woman to feed the 
>>> baby. The child, if it lives, is raised by the family for 7 years. At the 
>>> age of 7, the child can chose to stay with the family or make his/her own 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Now, if people saw Maria and saw that she had no baby, they may have 
>>> asked her where it was. So then she claimed her baby. Maybe she had a 
>>> change of heart and decided to claim her baby and raise him herself. Maybe 
>>> as he got a little bigger, he looked so much like her that she went ahead 
>>> and claimed him. We don't know. Somewhere between Jose's birth and 
>>> marriage, he found out who his mom was.
>>>
>>> Why these expostos pick a certain surname - who knows. It could be from 
>>> one of the families they lived with. It could be a surname of importance in 
>>> the freguesia, so picking that well-known name might give them better 
>>> opportunities. We just don't know their reasons. 
>>>
>>> On Sao Miguel island, when referring to Faial da Terra they either write 
>>> Faial da Terra or Faial. If they are talking about the island of Faial, 
>>> they say ilha da Faial. Yep, the first time I saw that I was confused 
>>> myself!
>>>
>>> Surnames are fluid. It takes a while to get used to this. Immigrants 
>>> often dropped the de/da/do prefix to the surname. The double consonant were 
>>> dropped in many words when the language was "modernized" in 1910/1911 or 
>>> so. Here's a little article that Kathy Cardoza and I wrote on surnames. 
>>> It's on the Azores GenWeb here: https://goo.gl/4aU6sP 
>>>
>>> To go back a generation and finding the siblings of one of your 
>>> grandparents (the one who has "pai incognito" may not have any other known 
>>> siblings - at least from that mot

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with grandmother and grandfather's records

[Diane DeMelo]

Cheri, thank you. When I know when I'll be going, I most definitely will. 
Unfortunately the transfer from 23andme to FTDNA gave me an error, I 
thought it was successful when I saw a kit ID even after the error message. 
Perhaps it's not a comptaible version (purchased in March 2018). I will 
wait for a sale. 

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 7:29:46 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Diane DM,
>
> Let me know when you need a kit for your aunt!
> Happy hunting, Cheri
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 4:27 PM Diane DeMelo  > wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Such fascinating and helpful 
>> information! I enjoyed reading the naming practices. Insightful article 
>> about Finding Your Roots too!
>>
>> Such a fascinating narrative about what may have happened with Maria and 
>> the baby. It'll just be one of those things we'll never know! I did locate 
>> a woman in my cousin's tree called Violante Rosa de Medeiros Festa who 
>> lived in Faial da Terra with an occupation as midwife/parteira that would 
>> have been 30 in 1866 when Jose was born. Interesting. 
>>
>> My parents are both deceased and the only living sibling of my dad is his 
>> younger sister, about 82. She's in good physical health but she's been in 
>> the Casa de Saúde in Ponta Delgada since she was 18. I was there last in 
>> 2017 and wish I had been interested in this at the time. There's a 
>> possibility I might visit next year and I think for her the best thing 
>> would be a cheek swab so it looks like FTDNA would fit the bill for that. I 
>> did my own testing with 23andme. I've uploaded my results to FTDNA on your 
>> suggestion and will eagerly await the results. 
>>
>> I have a lot of research ahead of me! I appreciate all the help and 
>> advice!
>>
>> Diane
>>
>> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Diane DM,
>>>
>>> They are small villages and people talk. People may have seen Maria and 
>>> knew she was pregnant. And perhaps Maria thought no one saw her or no one 
>>> would talk. So after giving birth, she leaves her baby at the roda (the 
>>> wheel - it's like a Lazy Susan for offerings given to the church). The baby 
>>> is turned over to the Camara and they assign a nursing woman to feed the 
>>> baby. The child, if it lives, is raised by the family for 7 years. At the 
>>> age of 7, the child can chose to stay with the family or make his/her own 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Now, if people saw Maria and saw that she had no baby, they may have 
>>> asked her where it was. So then she claimed her baby. Maybe she had a 
>>> change of heart and decided to claim her baby and raise him herself. Maybe 
>>> as he got a little bigger, he looked so much like her that she went ahead 
>>> and claimed him. We don't know. Somewhere between Jose's birth and 
>>> marriage, he found out who his mom was.
>>>
>>> Why these expostos pick a certain surname - who knows. It could be from 
>>> one of the families they lived with. It could be a surname of importance in 
>>> the freguesia, so picking that well-known name might give them better 
>>> opportunities. We just don't know their reasons. 
>>>
>>> On Sao Miguel island, when referring to Faial da Terra they either write 
>>> Faial da Terra or Faial. If they are talking about the island of Faial, 
>>> they say ilha da Faial. Yep, the first time I saw that I was confused 
>>> myself!
>>>
>>> Surnames are fluid. It takes a while to get used to this. Immigrants 
>>> often dropped the de/da/do prefix to the surname. The double consonant were 
>>> dropped in many words when the language was "modernized" in 1910/1911 or 
>>> so. Here's a little article that Kathy Cardoza and I wrote on surnames. 
>>> It's on the Azores GenWeb here: https://goo.gl/4aU6sP 
>>>
>>> To go back a generation and finding the siblings of one of your 
>>> grandparents (the one who has "pai incognito" may not have any other known 
>>> siblings - at least from that mother) ... Yes, the hunt, just as you said. 
>>> A few churches have indices. If you use Tombo.pt, he lists them for you, if 
>>> they exist:
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> This church, Sao Miguel Arcanjo, in Vila Franca, has separate indices in 
>>> addition to th

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Pedro Miguel, Faial 1842 Marriage

[Diane George]

Don’t know if this will help, but CITEM has the following (the very last names 
appear to be different from your record, but the first two names match the 
names in the CCA record for father, mother and Antonio and the dates appear to 
be correct for the marriage-- 27th September 1842):

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=pedromiguel=en=D=manuel+francisco=catarino=3=L=0=

The information for the bride also appears to match the record. You may have to 
check other records for the names, but the CITEM data has dates for death 
(some) and for the children so you may find the “Catarino” name. What follows 
Manuel Francisco in your record is “sua mulher”, his wife, with her name on the 
next line. The CITEM record says “Teresa” for the mother, but I see something 
like “Theodora.” Other CCA records may reveal the correct info. The page yours 
is on has a “Thereza” near the bottom and it doesn’t look the same to me.

Anyway, hope this helps a little.

Diane George

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Pedro Miguel, Faial 1842 Marriage

Anyone who would like to try to help with the name of the groom’s parents and 
the date of the marriage?  It would be much appreciated.

Top left one:  Antonio Francisco son of Manoel Francisco ? and ? Fellicia with 
Maria Jacinta daughter of Domingos Luis and Francisca Jacinta

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P184.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feliz Pascoa/Happy Easter thread

[Diane George]

Happy Easter to you all!

Diane George

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Happy Easter to all
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel Sao Braz

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

Hey, you will have to check to Porto Formoso records for that time period, 
all religious stuff in Sao Braz happened in Porto Formoso. I have family in 
both places. I know there is 1 or 2 Mello families in the records. Contact 
me if you need help, I can keep a eye out for you family while I look for 
mine. Both sides of my family come from Porto Formoso and Sao Braz. 

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 1:32:38 PM UTC-4, jfm...@aol.com wrote:
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> New to this sight. It's fantastic. 
> Great grandfather Jose Mello aka Jose Jose Chadinha born about 1867 
> married Helena Ricarda and immigrated to US around turn o 19th to 20th 
> century. His parents were Manuel Mello and Maria Carlotta. Anyone familiar 
> with names? I'm flying blind! Thanks.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

Here is a Antonio born in 1877 to a Goncalves, he is a cousin of my great 
grandfather. ( bottom right n*19) 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1870-1879/SMG-RG-PORTOFORMOSO-B-1870-1879_item1/P242.html

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 12:11:23 AM UTC-4, Sarah Stinson wrote:
>
> Hello Azores group,
>
> I'm helping my Mom to locate information on her grandfather, Antonio 
> Goncalves, who was born Jan 8th, 1877 in the Azores (we believe he was born 
> on Ilha Flores but are not 100% sure). I've requested the baptism records 
> for the Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Santa Cruz das 
> Flores, Horta ) parish, 
> but I know these documents can be difficult to read (especially since I 
> don't speak Portuguese...yet). Is there anywhere else I should be looking? 
> Can anyone prove help with this? 
>
> Thank you,
> Sarah S
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

Hey Sarah could he be from Porto Formoso, Sao Miguel? I have a long line of 
paternal male ancestor with Goncalves. I have lots of Antonio's who have 
Antonio's as sons. Tell me a bit more about your grandfather or  mom. What 
was Antonio's wife's name?


On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 12:11:23 AM UTC-4, Sarah Stinson wrote:
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> Hello Azores group,
>
> I'm helping my Mom to locate information on her grandfather, Antonio 
> Goncalves, who was born Jan 8th, 1877 in the Azores (we believe he was born 
> on Ilha Flores but are not 100% sure). I've requested the baptism records 
> for the Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Santa Cruz das 
> Flores, Horta ) parish, 
> but I know these documents can be difficult to read (especially since I 
> don't speak Portuguese...yet). Is there anywhere else I should be looking? 
> Can anyone prove help with this? 
>
> Thank you,
> Sarah S
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dead end

[Diane George]

Olivia,

I found this record in Capelo for  Francisco Pereira Faria:

Francisco Pereira de Faria
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=en;p=francisco+pereira+de;n=faria;oc=3

He is married to Inacia Eugenia, but the dates for her don't match what you 
included. I did not search for the original records. They have a daughter 
Maria, with a birthdate in 1834. There is no other information included about 
her.

Hope this helps.

Diane George

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Yes it is Faria not Garia. My autocorrect kicked in. I'm excited because people 
seem to have information for me

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dead end

[Diane George]

JR,

Could Francisco Pereira Garia be Francisco Pereira Faria? I don’t have time 
right to give you the details of why that’s possible but will later if 
necessary.

Diane George


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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:27 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dead end

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=pt;p=francisco+pereira;n=garcia;oc=1

Are the above yours? Data shows, Francisco Pereira [Garcia] married to Maria 
Inacia, May 11- 1822. He is son of Jose Correia Garcia and Felicia de Sao Jose. 
she is daughter of  Francisco Dutra Goularte and Inacia Maria. You can the 
names are very similar and you be able to cross them against the grandparents 
of the children in your files.

JR

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 6:52:13 PM UTC-4, Olivia wrote:
I've come to a dead end on my family tree. I left my grandfather's side for 
last thinking it would be the easiest, but it was not to be. All I have is 
Maria Eugenia de Andrade born in Capelo, Faial. Her parents were Francisco 
Pereira de Garia, Capelo and Inacia Eugenia 1797-1842, Capelo. Hoping someone 
has some information.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Anyone researching Botelho Feleja in either Maia or Porto Formoso ca 1900?

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

Jose Gil Botelho is my 4x great grandfather, my whole family on both sides 
are from Porto Formoso

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 2:20:41 PM UTC-5, IslandRoutes wrote:
>
> I am working with a DNA match and I'm perplexed.  Her great grandparents 
> were  Jacintho Botelho Feleja and Maria da Gloria Leocadio (aka Leocadio da 
> Ponte, Pacheco Leocadio).  I'm very familiar with the Leocadio as I connect 
> with them on the Mello Castanho side and know one of the descendants.
>
> The Botelho Feleja are giving me fits.  I can't get passed Jacintho 
> Botelho Feleja to who his possible ancestors might be.  I have found a 
> smattering of Botelho Feleja's in Maia starting in the 1890s.  Before that, 
> nothing.   Jacintho was probably born around 1905-1910.  There is a link to 
> Braga and Castanho, so those might be my connections.
>
> Is it an alcunha or were the Botelho Feleja's from somewhere else?  The 
> records are not conclusive.
>
> I found Alexandrinha, bp 20 Nov 1904, to Jose Botelho Fleja and Julia 
> Assumpcao Farrinha.  The record says he was from Porto Formoso and she from 
> Maia.  He was son of Manoel Botelho Fleja and Rosa de Braga.
>
> Daughter, Angelina was bp. 13 Apr 1900, to Jose Botelho Feleja and Julia 
> d'Assumpcao.  He from Porto Formoso and she from Maia.  He is listed here 
> as son of Manoel Botelho and Rosa de Braga and she daughter of Manoel 
> d'Araujo and Rosa Assumpcao (she may also be a Braga)
>
> Then, I find Antonio, bp 27 Jan 1900, son of Francisco Raposo Filena and 
> Maria Julia Castanho.  It says they were from Maia.  Maria Julia's parents 
> were Antonio Botelho Folleja and Maria Castanho.
>
> Antonio & Maria's daughter was Francisca da Conceicao, also said to be 
> born in Maia.  She married Jose Carvalho, one son, Jose, b. 11 Jan 1900.  
> Francisca's parents are listed as Antonio Botelho Felisha and Maria 
> Castanha.
>
> There was a marriage between a Antonio Feleja, filho naturel of Maria da 
> Conceicao of Porto Formoso to Melania da Souza, dau of Antonio Pacheco and 
> Maria Julia, 4 Feb 1901, Maia.
>
> I feel like Manoel Botelho Feleja who married Maria Castanho and Manoel 
> Botelho Feleja who married Rosa de Braga are related, but I don't know how.
>
> I did on search on the archivo website for Feleja and found an Inventario 
> for Maria da Gloria Leocadio as recipient and then it says Tribunal Camarca 
> de Ribeira Grande, Jacintho Botelho Feleja.  The file is dated 5 Mar 1945 
> to 16 Mar 1845.  These are my match's ancestors.
>
> If anyone is researching this family, perhaps you have the missing bit of 
> information I am looking for that pieces it all together.  As they are 
> connected to Braga maybe JR or someone else has them in their info.
>
> Thanks!
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese social group

[Diane George]

Hi, Gordon,

I agree with Susan--not likely to be Fremont. All the Portuguese societies in 
California merged in 2010 into the Portuguese Fraternal Society of America. A 
brief statement of the formation and organizations that merged is included on 
the website at http://www.mypfsa.org/about-us/#/.
You may also be able to contact them via email or telephone. 

Diane George

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From: 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 5:27 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese social group

Hi Gordon,

I’m wondering where you are reading that your grandfather was a founding member 
etc? I don’t know the answer but the city of Fremont was formed in late 1950s 
from most of the towns that were Washington Township so I doubt that FM stood 
for that if what you are reading refers to a time before 1960.
My father lived in Centerville which eventually became part of Fremont and had 
a policy from SES. I know I had to contact the organization located in San Jose 
in order to collect on the policy when he died. 

Doesn’t answer your question, but I wouldn’t guess that it stands for Fremont. 
Maybe Fraternal Men’s? Even tho I have never seen that tagged on?


Susan Vargas Murphy 

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> On Jan 28, 2018, at 4:14 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I believe SES is one of the organizations that merged into PFSA. You can find 
> PFSA on line and contact them to see what they have about the SES (if they 
> are now part of PFSA).  
> 
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> On Sun, 1/28/18, Gordon soares <gws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese social group
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, January 28, 2018, 4:01 PM
> 
> Fremont is
> what I thought but can’t figure out why if he lived in Oakland. Any 
> idea how one goes about getting the info or dox related to such 
> organizations? I don’t know how “legal” these orgs had to be.
> 
> Sent
> from my iPhone
> On Jan 28,
> 2018, at 4:21 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> FM may be Freemont. Someone more
> familiar with Oakland will chime in. Cheri On Jan 28, 2018 3:05 PM, 
> "Gordon soares" <gws...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Oakland ca . At one point
> lived on Adeline Street .Gordon
> 
> On Jan
> 28, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> SES
> is probably Portuguese for Sociedade do Espirito Santo or Society of 
> the Holy Spirit. I'm guessing FM may be the area of California. What 
> city was your ancestor in?
> 
> On Jan
> 28, 2018 2:29 PM, "Gordon soares" <gws...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Has anyone ever heard of the SESFM
> Portuguese lodge in the Calif area? Manual Machado Soares was 
> supposedly one of the 6 founding members and was the President for 
> awhile. He is my grand father born in Pico.I don’t know what the SESFM 
> stands for.
> 
> 
> 
> Gordon Soares
> 
> 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores GenWeb has a new home!

[Diane George]

Thank you for doing that. I also went to the Mediterranean Genweb Project at 
WorldGenWeb to see what they have for the Azores. The link in the Country Index 
for Azores goes to the Rootsweb site for the Azores Gen Web site with their 
“RootsWeb  is currently unavailable” page. (There is an update on the Rootsweb 
site for today.)

I send many people to your pages so am really happy to see it up. Thanks again!

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kathy Cardoza
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 8:42 AM
To: Azores Google Group <Azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores GenWeb has a new home!

Due to the ongoing (with no end in site) troubles of Rootsweb, I have moved the 
Azores GenWeb site to a new location (server) so we are back online. Please 
bookmark the new site at:  
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Thank you,
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Coordinator
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Acores Passports

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

Thanks Cheri!


On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 11:40:56 PM UTC-5, Diane Goncalves St. 
Martin wrote:
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> I can't remember what the website is to find  old passport info. Can 
> anyone help?
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Acores Passports

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

I can't remember what the website is to find  old passport info. Can anyone 
help?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Web

[Diane George]

A Heads Up!

The Azores Genealogy Resources site at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw 
is down. Ancestry took the Rootsweb site down to work on it. There is more 
information in the blog post link at the end of the message that appears when 
you go to the site.

Rootsweb is currently unavailable

Rootsweb is currently unavailable. We have been in the process of improving the 
site throughout 2017, and as a result of an issue we recently became aware of, 
we have taken the site offline while we work to resolve it.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause, but protecting our users' 
personal information is our top priority. During this down time, we are working 
to preserve all data saved to Rootsweb, and hope to have an update within a few 
weeks.

If you would like to learn more, please visit our blog 
post.<https://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2017/12/23/rootsweb-security-update/>


Diane George

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MAGANO - Porto Formoso

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

My Great-Great-Great Grandfather Manuel de Souza Magano (from Porto 
Formoso) married a women named Francisca de Almeida and she was from San 
Vincente Ferreira.


On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 2:38:47 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> Does anyone have the magano nickname in their trees?
>
>  
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> *“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” *
>
> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
>
> ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )
>
>  
>
>  
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MAGANO - Porto Formoso

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

I do in Porto Formoso, we have talked before. We need to talk our trees 
overlap
Diane Goncalves St.Martin

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 2:38:47 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> Does anyone have the magano nickname in their trees?
>
>  
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> *“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” *
>
> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
>
> ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )
>
>  
>
>  
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Dna match

[Diane George]

Hi,

The files you posted that end in .txt have nothing in them. They are all the 
same size and blank. I tried several programs that should be able to read them 
and none work. It looks like Kandi only intended to send you the images of the 
tree, the .png files. I don’t think she actually included anything else on 
purpose.

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sandra Perez
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 4:03 PM
To: Azores Genealogy Google Group <azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Dna match


-- Forwarded message --
From: Kandi Costa <kandico...@outlook.com<mailto:kandico...@outlook.com>>
Date: Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 7:56 AM
Subject: Dna match
To: Sandra Perez <perezsandra...@gmail.com<mailto:perezsandra...@gmail.com>>


Sandra I apologize for taking so long to get back to you. I took screen shots 
of my husband's tree that had the names you sent. I will try to attach them to 
this email if you don't get them let me know. Do you have a tree at 
Ancestry.com?

Have a great day!
Kandi



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for my grandmothers brother

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

Just wondering if there might be someone on here that might be able to 
help. My grandmother hasn't seen her brother since the 1970's. At the time 
when my grandparents immigrated to Canada in the 70's they first went to 
stay with him in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada. When they got there 
the situation was worse then stated in letters. So after a while they moved 
to London, Ontario (where we have lived since). My grandmother never saw 
her brother after that. She is very sick and only has a few months of life 
left and she has tasked me with finding out is he is alive and if  she has 
family still up there. We haven't been able to locate anyone. My 
grandmothers brothers name is or was Ezekial Raposo. His parents were 
Antonio Raposo and Maria de Conceicao Carreiro. They came from Porto 
Formoso, S.Miguel, Acores. My grandmothers name is Josefina Carreiro Raposo 
Cabral. If anyone knows this family and can help lead me in the right 
direction that would be great. Thanks in advanced for any help!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] New to this list - Oliveria, Freitas, Vierra

[Diane]

My relatives on my father's side came from the Azores in the late 1800's. 
 They went to Hawaii and then moved to California.  I have found some 
information on where they came from, but not much more.  For the *Freitas* 
side I have *Medeira* listed, but the *Oliveria's* I only have the Azores 
Islands.  The *Vierra's* I just have listed Portugal.   I Have had my DNA 
done by ancestry and I had my MTDNA done by Family tree DNA, my mother's 
side is English.  But I did have my Ancestry transfered over to Family tree 
DNA in there family finder.  I can not believe how many realitives I have 
found on my father's side.  Sadly, only a few have contacted me.  But I 
have also found a few on Ancestry also. Seems that my great grandmother's 
brother had 17 children, and that seems to be the family that I am finding. 
 Just letting you know that I am here.
Diane T. nee Vierra in Wisconsin

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help

[Diane George]

Here is a link to the app 
store<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/families/id379619019>. The application is 
called “Families” and is not too difficult to install. You can copy the needed 
files from your Legacy files to the iPad. There is also a free download of a 
program for your PC that lets you sync the data from Families with your Legacy 
files. Families website is at http://www.telgen.co.uk/families/ . You can go 
there to get the syncing program and more information about the program.

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Liz 
Migliori
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 10:46 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help

OMG. What a mess I thought I was doing a good thing by getting an iPad
No what a mess
What do I get???

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 25, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Cheri Mello 
<gfsche...@gmail.com<mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I use a program on a Windows PC. For my phone, I use GEDStar Pro (not to be 
confused with other things starting with GED). I somehow got Rosemarie C to 
download her stuff from Legacy into GEDStar Pro (an Android app).

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Lee 
<shorts...@suddenlink.net<mailto:shorts...@suddenlink.net>> wrote:
The app you're looking for is Families.  That is the one that works through the 
cloud with Legacy.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project News email

[Diane George]

I did not receive it.

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:30 AM
To: Azores Genealogy <Azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project News email

Did any existing FTDNA customers get the email that I sent through the FTDNA 
system regarding the DNA Project? It basically reminded people to upload their 
Gedcom, the project was growing, the conference in Salt Lake. And maybe a 
couple of other things.
FTDNA said it went out. The few people I've asked said they didn't get it. So I 
need more than a few to tell me that they didn't get it.  Thanks! Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA down for just me or everyone else?

[Diane George]

Thanks! That’s really helpful and quick.

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
João Ventura
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 12:24 PM
To: Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA down for just me or everyone else?

You can check if it's only you or also others here:

https://status.tombo.pt/778734960

The seem to be down since April 28th at 19:30.

João Ventura

On Friday, 28 April 2017 21:42:10 UTC+2, Joanne wrote:
Wondering if it’s because I’m at a genealogy conference that I can't access the 
site from here. Please advise - thanks!

Joanne Grota Mercier
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

[Diane George]

I use the same method Jeremy does—birth name is the main name, with alternative 
names in the AKA fields in my genealogy program. It shows all the names in the 
index so that you can search for any of the names and find the person. The 
software is Legacy, by the way.

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dealing with multiple names

What I'm trying to get a feel for...do most people just basically put the names 
together, or do they actually use the alternate name thingy in the genealogy 
program? I'm asking because Gedcom has a the Name and then they have the 
Alternate name. I have an idea that most of us just use the main name and list 
things like John Dewey "Bud" Smith. Or we use the memo say the appeared as John 
D. Smith on the census. So that's what I'm asking here.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:23 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
In my genealogy program I have an AKA field too.  In almost all cases I use the 
primary name spelling for the way they were born.  Then I enter any alternates 
in the AKA.

i.e

Jose Machado Cardoso

AKA

Joe Machado Cardoza etcetera...


Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant

[diane rezendes]

hi, Marsha.

yes, too funny! where in Arlington?  could be more synchroncity... by the
way, 4 Waldo Ave, being on a corner, was also 57 Dimick Street.  (If you
want any photos, I'm sure I have a few I could send your way...

my mom didn't recognize your grandparents' name, but it would have been
before her time -- still, you never know.

all the best,
di

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:00 PM, M. Stringer  wrote:

> Hi Di,
>
>
>
> Yet more similarities.
>
>
>
> I know my mother spoke of Waldo Avenue frequently, but they were
> apparently there only a few years: after a 1923 directory (Beacon St) –
> down the street by the 1930 Census (Dimick St).  By 1933 they too were in
> Arlington - until the early 1950s, after my grandfather’s death.
>
>
>
> When a cousin visited a few years ago went on a photo excursion – finding
> and photographing family places.  It’s been a while and I’m not sure if I
> captured Waldo Ave.
>
>
>
> Marsha Stringer
>
> strin...@mstringer.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Di
> *Sent:* Monday, April 03, 2017 6:25 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to
> track down source of US citizenship grant
>
>
>
> hi, Marsha.
>
>
>
> oh my goodness! that is so cool!!  my avos lived on the second floor, and
> my Dad grew up in that house.  ...when we were little, my sisters & i, with
> our parents, lived on the third floor of that very house. have you ever
> seen the house?  i will mention it to my mom when i talk to her later on
> today; maybe she knows your grandparents...?
>
>
>
> (sometimes when i reflect on it, i'm amazed to think about how people
> move: my Avó & Avô came all the way from the Azores to live in
> Somerville...  my mom's parents came all the way from Ireland... and then
> when my own mom & dad decided to move, it was all of *four miles* to
> Arlington.)
>
>
>
> all the best,
>
> di
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant

[diane rezendes]

dear JR,
this is wonderful -- I've never seen it before-- and some of the names are
completely new to me.  thank you so very much!  my family will love to see
it, too.
all the best,
di

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 5:12 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here he is on two pages:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911_item1/P108.html
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1911_item1/P109.html
>
> Sao Pedro de Ponta Delgada, No 24, Manoel, born- Jan 20- 1901, bap- Feb
> 18, filho de Manoel de Rezendes, carpinteiro, and Alexandrina da Gloria,
> domestica, natives and parishioners of freguesia de Sao Pedro, where they
> were received, neto paterno de Bento de Rezendes and Emilia Augusta and
> Materna de Joaquim de Miranda and Margarida Julia; Padrinho, Caetano Jose,
> negociante, and Madrinha, Maria de Jesus, solteira.
>
> Good luck. But with cousin like Margaret you won't need my help.
>
> JR
>
> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 4:58:17 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought
>> stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?. And Di thinks
>> the name is of Russian origin.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente <margare...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri,
>>>
>>> It was pronounced as the letter "V".  Valdemira
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W"
>>>> isn't used in Portuguese.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>> margare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Diane,
>>>>>
>>>>> Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de
>>>>> Rezendes, 2nd Cousin.
>>>>>
>>>>> He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel
>>>>> Furtado do Couto.
>>>>>
>>>>> His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married
>>>>> in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de 
>>>>> Rezendes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side
>>>>> of the family.  This family originated in Santa Maria Island.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Cousin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the
>>>>>> Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will 
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes <
>>>>>> diane.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Cheri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow! thank you so very much!  I'm at work right now, so will have to
>>>>>>> get it for you later on...
>>>>>>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how
>>>>>>> much of it is helpful...):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from
>>>>>>> the Azores*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death
>>>>>>>September (10?), 1977.
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant

[diane rezendes]

hi, Maria Elena.

that's so cool!  As soon as I saw your Roosevelt in your relative's name, I
smiled bc I know the Azoreans were (by and large) crazy about both TR and
later, FDR.  Do you know there's a park in São Miguel called Passeio
Publico Theodore Roosevelt?  And  I'm so pleased for you that you have that
paper: that is a true family treasure, and is part of the story of how you
came to be here!

The piece I can't figure out on my own family story (so far) is how my GGF
got his citizenship if the family story is accurate that he did not live in
the United States.  That's the mystery I'm hoping to solve...

And maybe we *do* connect - Margaret Vicente & I do, I've just happily
learned - and she says we come from Santa Maria back in the day, which fits
with your research...

all the best,
di

PS Did you know that if you go to FDR's Hyde Park 'White House,' in his
office there is a huge portrait of the USS Dyer in the Port of Ponta
Delgada?  (He visited there in July 1918, which you might already know
anyway, but I was just tickled when I was there doing some research and saw
it.)


On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> Dear Diane,
>
> Yes we have this situation as well.  Jacinto José de Lima, age 17, arrived
> on the Moses B Tower in 1889 as a stowaway.  He lived in Boston and worked
> as a barber.  He got his US citizenship.  Then he returned to São Miguel
> where he married.  He brought his bride to the US.  She was unhappy living
> with her mother in law and returned to the Azores.  He returned as well.
> There, she had a son who is my husband's father, Fortunato Roosevelt Lima.
> He was born in the Azores, but his father was a US Citizen and he was very
> proud f that piece of paper that proved he was a citizen.  They were very
> patriotic as you can imagine by the father giving him the name
> "Roosevelt".  It seems President Theodore Roosevelt had visited the Azores
> and Jacintho must have been very suppprtive of President Roosevelt.  We
> always wondered about that and it was while we were watching a documentary
> on Teddy Roosevelt a few years ago, that my husband and I realized, for the
> first time, which Roosevelt his father was named for.  I hate to admit we
> had thought it was FDR and felt foolish when we stopped to consider how
> many years later FDR was in office.  (As they say:  DUUUHHH!! ).
>
> But today we have that paper that Fortunato Roosevelt lima guarded and
> valued so much.
>
> So, yes,  we have this situation - if I understood your letter correctly.
> Best of luck in getting more.
>
> By the way, as I've traced Fortunato's line back, his ancestors were from
> São Miguel and then back into Santa Maria where the family name was
> RESENDES!! The oldest ancestor I've found is Sebastiao Jacome's Resendes
> married to Maria da Costa.  They had a son named Manoel but I don't have
> info on him.  Maybe we connect?
>
> Happy hunting.  It's a labor of love.
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Mar 31, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *It sounds to me like your GGF came to the US to work and got his
> citizenship and then went back to the Acores to retire. I would start
> trying to figure out when he came to the US. That would give you an idea as
> to when he became a US citizen. Where did your grandfather and his siblings
> settle in the US? Most likely that is where your Great Grandfather worked. *
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
> <azores@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Di
> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 9:56 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track
> down source of US citizenship grant
>
>
>
> Hi everyone!
>
>
>
> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your posts &
> replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and the
> commitment & dedication to the research!  And special appreciation to Cheri
> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love.
>
>
>
> Here's what I'm trying to figure out:
>
>
> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in Ponta
> Delgada around 1869.  He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927.  I have a document
> from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An American Citizen"
> about him.  So we know at some point, he was granted citizenship, even
> though he never took advantage of it.
>
>
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant

[diane rezendes]

thanks, Rosemarie!
i have the passenger manifest of US citizens for my avô but not the
others... now I can't wait to get home!

you guys rock!
di

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Di, You certainly know a lot but I agree with Cheri, you need to look for
> the ship lists for all of the 'brothers' that were granted citizenship
> under their father. If you can work from what you know to what you haven't
> been able to verify you might find what is needed. We'll let you get back
> to work and look up all of your paperwork when you get home! I think that
> finding the brothers' passports *out of the Azores* is a step you need to
> take, hopefully you will get more direct info from there.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes <diane.rezen...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi, Cheri.
>>
>> Wow! thank you so very much!  I'm at work right now, so will have to get
>> it for you later on...
>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much
>> of it is helpful...):
>>
>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the
>> Azores*
>>
>>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death
>>September (10?), 1977.
>>- immigrated via Port of Boston.
>>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in
>>Somerville, MA
>>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother,
>>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927.  (they married at
>>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.)
>>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.'  I also have the
>>passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages.
>>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know -
>>his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is 
>> useful).
>>
>>
>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US
>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people
>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps
>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as
>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen).
>>
>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we
>> know)*
>>
>>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify.
>>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the
>>Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there.
>>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well).
>>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations).
>>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see
>>if he had ever left.  Our family understanding is that he lived there his
>>whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not!
>>
>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more...
>> thanks!
>> di
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Di,
>>>
>>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival
>>> record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It
>>> might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the
>>> Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about
>>> citizenship for your ancestor through the years?
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes.
>>>>
>>>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what
>>>> they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the
>>>> rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend
>>>> with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his
>>>> citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier.
>>>>
>>>> Try these:
>>>> "*Locating Your Immigrant 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant

[diane rezendes]

we were told my grandmother's father loved Russian drama, so I think in the
old country perhaps she would be something like Valdemira, but in the US,
she was always Waldemira.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese
> alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his
> immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes <diane.rezen...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi, Cheri.
>>
>> Wow! thank you so very much!  I'm at work right now, so will have to get
>> it for you later on...
>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much
>> of it is helpful...):
>>
>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the
>> Azores*
>>
>>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death
>>September (10?), 1977.
>>- immigrated via Port of Boston.
>>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in
>>Somerville, MA
>>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother,
>>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927.  (they married at
>>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.)
>>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.'  I also have the
>>passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages.
>>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know -
>>his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is 
>> useful).
>>
>>
>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US
>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people
>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps
>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as
>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen).
>>
>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we
>> know)*
>>
>>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify.
>>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the
>>Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there.
>>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well).
>>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations).
>>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see
>>if he had ever left.  Our family understanding is that he lived there his
>>whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not!
>>
>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more...
>> thanks!
>> di
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Di,
>>>
>>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival
>>> record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It
>>> might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the
>>> Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about
>>> citizenship for your ancestor through the years?
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes.
>>>>
>>>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what
>>>> they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the
>>>> rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend
>>>> with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his
>>>> citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier.
>>>>
>>>> Try these:
>>>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee
>>>> Neagles.
>>>>
>>>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" by
>>>> John J. Newman.
>>>>
>>>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Reco

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant

[diane rezendes]

Cousin!!!  :-)

yes - the other brothers are Alvaro and Ernesto, and we knew Maria as
'Gilda' -who stayed in Ponta Delgada. I think when we met her she might not
have been married yet, or maybe she traveled to visit us on her own...?

When Gaetano came here, he went by Clayton because he felt it sounded more
American.  We kids thought Clayton sounded so funny compared to all the
other names.

I have a copy of the marriage papers (but am guessing by the detail you
provided, that you already have them... if I'm mistaken, lmk and I can send
you a copy).

Do you know how far back they came from Santa Maria?  that's complete news
to me.  I kind of reckoned they were on São Miguel forever...

what a wonderful Friday I am having, thanks to you and the community here!!
so grateful!
di

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente <
margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Diane,
>
> Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de
> Rezendes, 2nd Cousin.
>
> He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel
> Furtado do Couto.
>
> His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married in
> Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de Rezendes.
>
> I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side of
> the family.  This family originated in Santa Maria Island.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cousin
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've got to go,but took a quick look"W" is not used in the Portuguese
>> alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his
>> immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes <
>> diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Cheri.
>>>
>>> Wow! thank you so very much!  I'm at work right now, so will have to get
>>> it for you later on...
>>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much
>>> of it is helpful...):
>>>
>>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the
>>> Azores*
>>>
>>>- DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death
>>>September (10?), 1977.
>>>- immigrated via Port of Boston.
>>>- Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in
>>>Somerville, MA
>>>- In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother,
>>>Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927.  (they married at
>>>the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.)
>>>- He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.'  I also have the
>>>passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages.
>>>- The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know -
>>>his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is 
>>> useful).
>>>
>>>
>>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US
>>> citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people
>>> at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps
>>> not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as
>>> 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen).
>>>
>>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we
>>> know)*
>>>
>>>- born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify.
>>>- Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the
>>>Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there.
>>>- His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well).
>>>- (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations).
>>>- I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see
>>>if he had ever left.  Our family understanding is that he lived there his
>>>whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not!
>>>
>>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more...
>>> thanks!
>>> di
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Di,
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American
>>>> arr

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant

[diane rezendes]

gt; i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in
>>>> contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for
>>>> them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy lectures
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks for your replies!  so speedy, too!
>>>>>
>>>>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never
>>>>> lived in the United States.  He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, and
>>>>> spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US
>>>>> citizenship.  that's the piece that seems mysterious.  His sons (my
>>>>> grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East
>>>>> Cambridge, MA.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your posts
>>>>>> & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and the
>>>>>> commitment & dedication to the research!  And special appreciation to 
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>> Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born in Ponta
>>>>>> Delgada around 1869.  He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927.  I have a 
>>>>>> document
>>>>>> from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An American Citizen"
>>>>>> about him.  So we know at some point, he was granted citizenship, even
>>>>>> though he never took advantage of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was
>>>>>> for him and his children.  So his five children were born with Portuguese
>>>>>> AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated 
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> having to be naturalized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is
>>>>>> listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his 
>>>>>> home
>>>>>> address and the notation *'through father's papers'*).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my
>>>>>> great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship.  I've called the
>>>>>> Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 years).
>>>>>> Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National Archives,
>>>>>> where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it -- and 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork.  The other 
>>>>>> route
>>>>>> I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but that
>>>>>> could take years, ha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of
>>>>>> anything like this?*  Or ideas of other ways to try to track it down?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all
>>>>>> tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all the best,
>>>>>> di
>>>>>> Diane Rezendes
>>>>>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores

[Diane George]

Here is one list from Wikipedia of natural disasters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores#18th_century

Diane George

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Louie Avila
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 2:31 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Infant mortality rates 1700's - Azores


Is it just Sao Jorge or did all the islands of the Azores have high mortality 
rates in the late 1700's?
It just aches my heart when looking through Obits and seeing so many for your 
children (birth to 10 years old).

I've been trying to Google it but having a hard time finding out why ...

Louie
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] My Heritage Users - Request for Gedcom help

[Diane George]

If you go to “Family Tree” on the top menu on the My Heritage site, she can 
export to a GEDCOM using the “Actions” column for the tree in question (if she 
has multiple trees).

Here’s a screenshot:

[cid:image001.jpg@01D28F6A.16A4F360]

If you need more detail, let me know and I will do it in a Word document.

Diane George
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Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:34 PM
To: Azores Genealogy <Azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] My Heritage Users - Request for Gedcom help

I have a DNA project member who keeps her tree on My Heritage. I don't use My 
Heritage. I told her to do an Internet search for: my heritage gedcom and to 
make a Gedcom.
She sent me a screen shot from her cell phone that said to click on the link to 
download it. I told her to click the link and save it to her desktop.
Then she sends me another message about IMPORTING her tree to MyHeritage. We 
need EXPORTING.
Anyone know how to make a Gedcom from MyHeritage? I need step by step 
directions with screen shots. In either Portuguese or English, it doesn't 
matter.
Thanks! Cheri
Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Maria de Lima Baptism 1789 Capelas

[Diane George]

The word in front of the father’s name looks “Mestre” or Master.

Diane George

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Joanne Mercier
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:27 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help: Maria de Lima Baptism 1789 Capelas

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1788-1802/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1788-1802_item1/P14.html

Looking for help with what is written in the margin - it looks like it could be 
her wedding to Simão de Souza but I’ve found that register entry and the date 
doesn’t look like it would match. Also, these entries don’t seem to contain the 
grandparents’ info - is that correct? Finally, is that a title before the 
father’s first name or another name I’ve never seen before?

Thanks in advance for the help! (as usual)
Joanne Grota Mercier
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Display issue on the Passaportes

[Diane George]

I tried it in all four browsers, IE, Edge, Firefox and Chrome and only get a 
partial image.

Diane George

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 9:32 AM
To: Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Display issue on the Passaportes

Yeah, well, they said it's my problem with my browser and I'm pretty sure it's 
not. They say it displays fine on their end with IE.
It drives me crazy when there's a technical problem and IT people say, "Well 
just use _." (Fill in with the browser of your choice). FTDNA likes to say 
"Use Chrome." The CCA likes to say "Use IE." Cmon now, we can't be bouncing 
around like that. It needs to display correctly on ALL browsers or someone's 
not doing their job in quality control. And if it's one image, that should mean 
the error is on their end. But you can't tell them that.
Let's see what others are seeing and I'll report it back to them.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rickredle...@gmail.com<mailto:rickredle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am using EDGE and I get the half image. All other images are normal they may 
have a corrupt file on their server.
rick

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[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Display issue on the Passaportes

I was using the Ponta Delgada Passaportes last night. As I went through image 
120, 121, etc, I came to image 130. Only half the image loaded. I tried the 
image after. It completely loaded. Since I was on Firefox, I tried Chrome. It 
didn't load there. I emailed the CCA and they said to use Internet Explorer (on 
one image??) I have a newer computer and they don't have IE anymore. They have 
Edge. I had the same display program. What do you guys see? Any idea of how to 
get that one image to display?
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915_item1/P130.html
Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

[Diane George]

Louie,

The original death record is at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1880-1889/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-O-1880-1889_item1/P149.html.

There is no mention of “Fredona” but there is a reference to “faja redonda” in 
the context of where the house where Jose died.

Diane George

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LouieLouieOhOh
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 11:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

Cheri,

Here is the site ...

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN

Louie

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte Grande.
There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original records. You 
don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any link.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
<louielo...@gmail.com> wrote:
While browsing the uminho.pt<http://uminho.pt> site, I came across this:

José Francisco Azevedo

  *   Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
  *   Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
  *   Age at death: 63 years old
Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?

Louie
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Soldado Pago

[Diane George]

Thank you for giving me more detail.

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ângela Loura
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 2:34 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Soldado Pago

Bom dia Diane,

Google "Guerra da Restauração".
Soldados pagos had a legal contract, this was their profession during that time 
of períod (that's why some ran off). Mercenaries also existed, but belonged to 
another rank.
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Enviado: ‎02/‎11/‎2016 06:03
Para: azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Soldado Pago
Hi,

Recently while searching baptism records on CCA for Flamengos in the early 
1700s, I am seeing a lot of records showing the father’s occupation as “soldado 
pago” which Google translates to paid soldier. Does this mean “mercenary” or 
does it have some other meaning? Someone suggested that it means a soldier who 
serves for 8 years.

Any ideas.

Diane George
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Soldado Pago

[Diane George]

Hi,

Recently while searching baptism records on CCA for Flamengos in the early 
1700s, I am seeing a lot of records showing the father's occupation as "soldado 
pago" which Google translates to paid soldier. Does this mean "mercenary" or 
does it have some other meaning? Someone suggested that it means a soldier who 
serves for 8 years.

Any ideas.

Diane George

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New book on DNA

[Diane George]

Cheri,

 

The code I have is SFTTHOMAS16. The one listed below doesn’t work. The price 
drops to $16.99 from $19.99. 

 

Thanks for the info and links.

 

Diane George

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Cheri Mello
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New book on DNA

 

(Cross posted again)

Carole M from the Azores list found a discount code for the new book, "The 
Family Tree Guide to DNA Testing and Genetic Genealogy" by Blaine T. Bettinger. 
If you order from the publisher (link below) and use the discount code 
SFTTHOMAS1, you can get the book for $17 USD. Also, I was mistaken on my 
original post. The book will sell for $30 USD, but is being sold on Amazon and 
elsewhere for the sale price of $20 USD. I guess at some point it will go for 
the retail price of $30. This is the paperback price. The Kindle or E-reader 
prices are a bit less. Thanks, Carole!

https://goo.gl/TzLZXj




Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada

 

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com 
<mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com> > wrote:

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)

"The Family Tree Guide to DNA Testing and Genetic Genealogy" by Blaine T. 
Bettinger will be officially published by Family Tree Publishers (hence the 
words "The Family Tree" in the book title) on Oct. 13th for about $20 USD. The 
reviews so far are pretty good. I've included Judy Russell's, The Legal 
Genealogist, review below.

https://goo.gl/hxfo3u

I hope to get my copy from Blaine in November!

Cheri Mello
Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family is all from Porto Formoso, S.Miguel

[Diane Goncalves St. Martin]

Hi just starting to dive more into my family tree. Both sides of my family 
are from Porto Formoso, Anyone else?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] CCA-Madalena-links are not correct and translation of an death record with multiple people.

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

Has anyone tried to use the Madalena, Pico data at CCA today? The links in
the left menu are all "
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1633
-1709/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1633-1709_item1/P1.html>
PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1633-1709." They go to specific pages, but you have to
hover over the link to see what page is actually being linked. The URL is
displayed correctly once you load the page.

 

In that data while searching for some death records, I found the following
page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1633-
1709/PIC-MD-MADALENA-O-1633-1709_item1/P95.html

 

I can't translate all of it, but it looks like it is a series of Names, with
ages and origins, both males and females. Can anyone figure out what it is-a
shipwreck maybe? The origins appear to from different places in the islands.
The ages vary widely also.

 

Diane George

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

[Diane George]

Thanks for the input on the abbreviations. My conclusion is to use Martins, not 
Moniz.

 

Diane

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cesar Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 2:32 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com; Cesar Pimentel <cesarpimentel@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

 

Ual Angela,

 

Phenomenal!

 

You got it on some website?

 

Thank you,

 

Cesar Pimentel

cesarpimentel@hotmail.com <mailto:cesarpimentel@hotmail.com> 

 

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De:  <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> azores@googlegroups.com < 
<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> azores@googlegroups.com> em nome de Ângela 
Loura < <mailto:angelalo...@gmail.com> angelalo...@gmail.com>
Enviado: segunda-feira, 11 de julho de 2016 20:33
Para:  <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations 

 



 

2016-07-11 22:04 GMT+01:00 Ângela Loura <angelalo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:angelalo...@gmail.com> >:

What's the University of Minho's source? The book of portuguese paleographic 
abbreviations states that 'Miz" is Martins. 

 

 

 

2016-07-11 19:11 GMT+01:00 Diane George <digeorg...@hotmail.com 
<mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com> >:

Hi,

 

I have two different results from two sources of Portuguese name lists for the 
abbreviation “Miz.” One list says it is “Martins” and one says “Moniz.” Anybody 
know which one is correct? The University of Minho database shows it as “Moniz” 
in one record and “Martins” in the other. Here is the example below. 

 


António Maria Vieira Bezerra


Born - São Roque do Pico 


Parents


João Vieira


Isabel Moniz 


Marriages and children


Married on 17 January 1598 to Bárbara Manuel, with


Maria João 1598


João Vieira 1599


Filipe ? 1602


Roque ? 1604


Francisco ? 1607


Susana Manuel 1610


Bárbara Manuel 1613


Águeda ? 1615 


Isabel Martins Maciel 1616 


 


In the CCA marriage record for Antonio Maria Vieira to Barbara Manuel, the 
mother’s name is shown as “Izabel Miz” ( 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P8.html>
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P8.html
 , top left) and in the marriage record for the daughter of Antonio and 
Barbara, Isabel Martins Maciel is shown in the marriage record ( 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P200.html>
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P200.html
 , bottom record) as “Izabel Miz Maciel.”

 

Any suggestions?

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviations

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

I have two different results from two sources of Portuguese name lists for
the abbreviation “Miz.” One list says it is “Martins” and one says “Moniz.”
Anybody know which one is correct? The University of Minho database shows it
as “Moniz” in one record and “Martins” in the other. Here is the example
below. 

 


António Maria Vieira Bezerra


Born - São Roque do Pico 


Parents


João Vieira


Isabel Moniz 


Marriages and children


Married on 17 January 1598 to Bárbara Manuel, with


Maria João 1598


João Vieira 1599


Filipe ? 1602


Roque ? 1604


Francisco ? 1607


Susana Manuel 1610


Bárbara Manuel 1613


Águeda ? 1615 


Isabel Martins Maciel 1616 


 


In the CCA marriage record for Antonio Maria Vieira to Barbara Manuel, the
mother’s name is shown as “Izabel Miz” (
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593
-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P8.html>
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-
1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P8.html , top left) and in the
marriage record for the daughter of Antonio and Barbara, Isabel Martins
Maciel is shown in the marriage record (
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593
-1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P200.html>
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-
1675/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-C-1593-1675_item1/P200.html , bottom record) as “Izabel
Miz Maciel.”

 

Any suggestions?

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

At least some of the UPEC records are online at Ancestry at in a collection of 
death and burial records.

 


California, Death and Burial Records from Select Counties, 1873-1987


http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8835

 

This might make the search easier. I don’t know if all the UPEC records are 
included or not.

 

Diane George

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:18 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

 

Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place between his 
landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are going to find 
out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was coming to live 
with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still never know the 
reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's because they had other 
Portuguese from their village or family in that place. I see that you haven't 
looked at the UPEC records for that area. I will look at the film on Tues when 
I go to work at the Family History Cntr here and see what I can find for you. 

 




Rosemarie 

 <mailto:rcap...@gmail.com> rcap...@gmail.com

Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza <ericcharles.so...@gmail.com 
<mailto:ericcharles.so...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear Conterrâneos,

 

I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and Cunha 
descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my great-grandfather came to 
Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A few months ago, 
this forum helped me identify the birth record for my great-grandfather, 
Alexander Souza 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html>
 , from Topo. I'm so grateful!

 

My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in Topo, São 
Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents were Manoel Jozé da 
Cunha and Roza Delfina – he was the only son with the Souza surname – his four 
siblings were all named da Cunha, but his grandparents were de Sousa de Borba 
(which is likely why he was named Souza?). He had three sisters on São Jorge, 
and one brother - João da Cunha (born 1885 on São Jorge).

 

He was also known on his probate (here is a link to download his probate 
<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57041182/Alex-Souza-Probate.pdf> ) as 
“Alexander Souza Borba” and “Alexander S Borba”.

 

Family legend says he was a whaler. Since there are no records that I have 
found for him immigrating legally (no voting records in Marin County, CA, or 
listings on the Atlantic ship manifests into New Bedford), I am guessing he 
came over illegally on a whaling boat in 1897 or early 1898 when he was 15, to 
avoid conscription to the Portuguese military – required at age 16.

 

He might have come on a whaling ship to one of the east coast ports. If so, 
once he jumped ship in New England (I’m assuming New Bedford), he would have 
likely taken the train over to San Francisco. I have been in contact with the 
New Bedford Whaling Museum, and they said they only have records of the 
whalemen who shipped from the port of New Bedford. But if I can identify the 
name of a vessel, they I could contact Joan Barney, the librarian in the 
genealogy room at the New Bedford library. Apparently, they have some shipping 
records in their collection for a select number of vessels and some of them do 
list the names of those who joined mid-voyage.

 

Again, that's all speculation on my part. There were no Atlantic whalers that 
went on pacific voyages after 1892, so he wouldn't have taken a boat directly 
to San Francisco.

 

There is no record that I have found of him between his birth and his marriage 
in 1907 to Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito.

 

There were dairies in Sausalito and Mill Valley (specifically Tennessee Valley) 
that were owned by immigrants from São Jorge. A da Cunha family (I think it was 
Manoel Ferreira da Cunha, born Oct 1848, São Jorge) owned a large dairy there. 
Then there was another dairy shown on the 1880 Census by partners Antonio Souza 
(born about 1850), Antonio Borba (1853), August Silva (1846) and Manuel Souza 
(1859). I'm guessing that these were possibly cousins, but I haven't been able 
to identify the connection to any of them. 

 

There was also an Alexander Souza showing up in Point Reyes (western Marin 
County) on the 1900 census, but the ages don’t match up … also an Alexander 
Souza Borba in the East Bay ... my Alex's padrinho was Alexandre de Souza de 
Borba (born 1857) ...

 

So that's a basic recap of where I am in my search for how Alexander Souza 
ended up in Sausalito! I've talked with the IDESST

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Notations in Cedros Death Records

[Diane George]

Faial.

 

Diane

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
luiznoia .
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 4:23 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Notations in Cedros Death Records

 

Cedros, Faial, or Cedros, Flores ? 

Eric Edgar.

On Jun 8, 2016 11:54 AM, "Diane George" <digeorg...@hotmail.com 
<mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

I have been going through Cedros death records in the late 1600s and early 
1700s and almost all of the records have a note in the margin under the name of 
the deceased. Most are “Rua” with nothing else, which is “street.” I also find 
“vale verde” which I think is “green valley” and “ribeira funda” which may be 
“deep river.” There are others, but I can’t read or translate most of them. 
Anyone have any idea what these are?

 

Diane George

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Notations in Cedros Death Records

[Diane George]

I have been going through Cedros death records in the late 1600s and early
1700s and almost all of the records have a note in the margin under the name
of the deceased. Most are "Rua" with nothing else, which is "street." I also
find "vale verde" which I think is "green valley" and "ribeira funda" which
may be "deep river." There are others, but I can't read or translate most of
them. Anyone have any idea what these are?

 

Diane George

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport informaiton

[Diane George]

With the help of Google Translate, here is what I get for the columns:

 

Date

   Year

   Month

   Day

Passport Number

Names

Status

Profession

Age

Characterisics

   Height

   Shape of Face

   Hair Color

   Eyebrow Color   

   Eye Color

   Nose

   Mouth

   Coloring

Destination

Accompanied By

Nativity

   Island

   Council

   Frequesia

Knows How to Write (Yes or No)

Name of Ship

Comments

 

I can’t decipher all the contents of the columns, but the face shape includes 
round, colors include brown, black and blue, coloring includes swarthy and 
clear. Still working on some of the others that might be abbreviated.

 

I saved the page from CCA to my desktop, then used the built-in Windows Photo 
viewer (Windows 10-Photos) by double-clicking on the image. I was able to 
enlarge it to a much higher magnification than on the CCA site. The Photo 
viewer also has some built-in editing tools that allow you to enhance the 
image. 

 

Hope this helps some.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Elizabeth Migliori
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 7:44 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport informaiton

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920_item1/P10.html

Can someone please tell me what all is said on this passport page.

Both the 3rd and 4th lines from top

Manuel Correia da Silva #65

Jose Silveira Santa #66

can only blow up so far and can't tell what columns are for

Liz

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] TNG Genealogy program

[Diane George]

Tish, 

 

I use xampp on my Windows 10 computer to test it locally. The web host I use 
has the necessary PHP and MySQL versions needed for the software. I think 
Lythgoe is only charging $15.00 for an installation—you might check on the 
website.

 

Diane

 

 

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Tish M
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 5:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] TNG Genealogy program

 

Diane,

Are you using MAMP or WAMP on your computer to have it run? I remember there 
was a bit of a learning curve (I stopped at V8), but found it a very powerful 
program. I just got it today, but haven't fooled with it yet. I put MAMP on 
yesterday, and with the help of my 9 year old grandson have MAMP running. I 
would be surprised by putting on V11 if it will just come in seamlessly, but I 
will soon find out (either tonight or tomorrow).

I might be in contact with you although I have to say, the owner of the program 
is very prompt and good at getting you up and running. Also, there is a great 
forum on line with very good programmers to help, also.

Tish

 

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Diane George <digeorg...@hotmail.com 
<mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

This is TNG, a website building application for genealogy. It creates a website 
that is database-driven. You can upload a gedcom to populate the site or 
manually add your data. Get more info at http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/. I 
have created a couple of sites with it, but none are currently active while I 
am continuing to do research.

 

Diane George

 

 

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[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> ] On Behalf Of 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:32 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] TNG Genealogy program

 

Do you mean TMG (the Master Genealogist)?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

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[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tish M
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 12:23 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] TNG Genealogy program

 

Hi,

I know not too long someone mentioned using the TNG genealogy program. I have 
used it in the past (when I had it on a web site), but stopped using it when I 
took the web site down.

I am again somewhat interested and would like to discuss the program with any 
users. You can email me personally or send it through the group.

Thanks,

Tish

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] TNG Genealogy program

[Diane George]

This is TNG, a website building application for genealogy. It creates a website 
that is database-driven. You can upload a gedcom to populate the site or 
manually add your data. Get more info at http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/. I 
have created a couple of sites with it, but none are currently active while I 
am continuing to do research.

 

Diane George

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 4:32 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] TNG Genealogy program

 

Do you mean TMG (the Master Genealogist)?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 12:23 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] TNG Genealogy program

 

Hi,

I know not too long someone mentioned using the TNG genealogy program. I have 
used it in the past (when I had it on a web site), but stopped using it when I 
took the web site down.

I am again somewhat interested and would like to discuss the program with any 
users. You can email me personally or send it through the group.

Thanks,

Tish

 

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Freguesia: Santa Barbara

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Gen Web Project Site Down

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

I am getting the following error whenever I try to access
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/.

 

We are experiencing some temporary Rootsweb site problems.
We apologize for any inconvenience this might cause.
Our development and web operations teams are working on the problem and
we will have it resolved as quickly as possible.
Thank-you for your patience.

 

This is happening with Rootsweb generally as well, not just the Azores Gen
Web Project. Anyone know what's happening-the message has been appearing at
least since Wednesday the 24th.

 

Diane George

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[AZORES-Genealogy] New Special Interest Group in Danville, California

[Diane George]

*  We finally set up a Special Interest Group for Azores researchers in the
San Ramon Valley Genealogical Society. The first meeting will be on February
17, 2016, at 1:15 pm in the Danville Family History Center, 2949 Stone
Valley Rd, Alamo, in the Relief Society Room. 

 

At the first meeting, we will determine if there is enough interest to
continue with regular meetings. We will discuss resources for Azores
researchers, including databases, digital images, help for translation of
records and help each other to figure out some of the information,
particularly in the Portuguese language records from Centro de Conhecimento
dos Açores (CCA). We will also discuss some of the social media resources
for researchers, as well as DNA sites. Bring your laptops. We usually have
room to set them up unless we get a very large group. There is a wi-fi
connection so we can get online.

 

Let me know if you can make it (digeorg...@hotmail.com) and tell your
friends (and relatives) about it. Looking forward to meeting you all. 

 

Diane George

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Revamp of the Azores GenWeb

[Diane George]

Nice work!

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kathy Cardoza
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:05 PM
To: Azores Google Group <Azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Revamp of the Azores GenWeb

 

I did a rework of the Azores GenWeb site and just got it published tonight. I 
hope it simplifies everything. If you find anything amiss, please let me know.

 

Kathy

~~~

Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:

  http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html

 

Climb my Family Tree:

  http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html

~~~

 

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] CCA site is back!

[Diane George]

I have only checked Faial, Feteira, Baptismos and Casamentos on the CCA site
and those are back! I will keep checking to see if everything is back.

 

Diane George

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Could the CCA records be down??

[Diane George]

Here is a link to the new help pages:  http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/help . 
 The Help page will clarify some of the questions about the new site. Even 
though the help is there, I don't think everything on the site is working yet. 
I got to that link by clicking on the question mark on the right side of the 
menu.

Diane George

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linda
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 8:02 AM
To: Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Could the CCA records be down??

It looks like they're changing the page format and/or the viewer:

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/viewer?id=1021142

As of 8:00am Pacific time the link works and goes to a page with thumbnail 
images on the left with a main image of a registry page to their right.  It's 
similar to the format we're accustomed to but updated.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de Lacerda?

[Diane George]

Thank you very much for the extra info. I believe this to be the death record 
for my eighth great grandfather.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 6:29 PM
To: azores <azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de 
Faria de Lacerda?

 

I can add to the 2nd page and to what Bill Seider wrote and as I read 
.George (Jorge) Pereira de.Lacerda that he was leaving the "terça" which 
translates to one third of his wealth/estate to his wife, Ana? Gomes during her 
life and after his wife their sons George (Jorge) Pereira and Joseph (Jose) 
Pereira "com obrigacao selada" with sealed obligation of giving to his Pedro 
Dutra "quatro mil reis" 4 thousand kings (monetary)  and to leave more 
...his son Manuel Dutra under the condition ...left one slave by the 
name of  Margarida...etc.

 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Diane George <digeorg...@hotmail.com 
<mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks—It does help.

 

Diane George

 

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<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of  
<mailto:bsei2...@gmail.com> bsei2...@gmail.com
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de 
Lacerda?

 

This handwriting is very difficult, but I think I can make out some parts.  I 
agree with what Shirley wrote, but I would lean more towards 70 years of age.  
I cannot find where it says who he was married to as it seems to go directly 
into his will.  There is something about leaving something for his soul then 
mentions a chapel (capela, 6th line from bottom of first page) of  ?? for poor 
children (I think it says crianças pobres on next line).  The first line on the 
second page identifies the executor (testamenteiro) as his son George Pedro 
(Dutra) Lacerda (I think Dutra was written after-the-fact in the right margin). 
 I also see the name Margarida on the sixth line from the bottom but do not 
know where this person fits in.

 

Not much, but I hope it helps.

 

Bill Seidler

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de Lacerda?

[Diane George]

Thanks—It does help.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bsei2...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 2:14 PM
To: Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de 
Lacerda?

 

This handwriting is very difficult, but I think I can make out some parts.  I 
agree with what Shirley wrote, but I would lean more towards 70 years of age.  
I cannot find where it says who he was married to as it seems to go directly 
into his will.  There is something about leaving something for his soul then 
mentions a chapel (capela, 6th line from bottom of first page) of  ?? for poor 
children (I think it says crianças pobres on next line).  The first line on the 
second page identifies the executor (testamenteiro) as his son George Pedro 
(Dutra) Lacerda (I think Dutra was written after-the-fact in the right margin). 
 I also see the name Margarida on the sixth line from the bottom but do not 
know where this person fits in.

 

Not much, but I hope it helps.

 

Bill Seidler

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de Lacerda?

[Diane George]

Thanks! 

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shirley Allegre
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 11:46 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de 
Lacerda?

 

Diane:  This is what it (kind of) looks like to me:

ALFERES Pedro Dutra de Faria, native this freguesia of Santa Catarina

DOD 7 Sep 1711

age either setenta or secenta = 70 or 60 years, plus or minus

received the sacraments

I can't read the rest.

Shirley in CA

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:49 PM

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de 
Lacerda?

 

Hi,

 

I can’t translate the death record at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P169.html
 , bottom entry, left page and top right page. It appears to be for Pedro Dutra 
de Faria with death on 7 September 1711, but I can’t translate enough of the 
rest of it to make sense of it. I hope someone can help.

 

Thanks.

 

Diane George 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de Lacerda?

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

I can't translate the death record at
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-
1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P169.html , bottom entry,
left page and top right page. It appears to be for Pedro Dutra de Faria with
death on 7 September 1711, but I can't translate enough of the rest of it to
make sense of it. I hope someone can help.

 

Thanks.

 

Diane George 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTM Issue with Windows 10

[Diane George]

I have been able to run FTM 2014 with Windows 10. I also installed a recent 
update for FTM and it is still working. I don’t use it routinely, but it is 
synced with Ancestry and the sync worked, adding one update from my Ancestry 
tree, a person and a source. 

 

Ancestry.com shows a message saying that it is not compatible with the new Edge 
browser, but I have used it to search and review hints with no problems except 
the message that pops up saying it is not compatible with Edge. If that’s a 
problem for anyone using Windows 10 (e.g., you don’t have another browser like 
Chrome or Firefox installed, click on the  three dots in the upper right corner 
of the Edge screen beneath the “X.” used for closing the window.  Select “Open 
with Internet Explorer” from the menu that appears. A new window in Internet 
Explorer will open for the page you were on with all the functionality, 
bookmarks, etc., that you had in IE before the upgrade.

 

Diane George

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 10:46 AM
To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTM Issue with Windows 10

 

Hello all;  This may be a bit off subject but; since others are talking about 
FTM issues, I thought I would ask if anyone else has been unable to run FTM 
2014 with Windows 10.  From all that I have read and in contacting Nova 
Development and Ancestry.com, FTM 2014 is NOT compatible with Windows 10.  They 
say I would have to roll back to FTM 16 for it to work with Windows 10.  Not 
sure what I would lose in my records that are on FTM 2014 if I were to 
uninstall and reinstall FTM 16 so, haven't done that.  I'm just curious if 
anyone has been successful in running FTM 2014 with Windows 10 and if anyone 
has any idea when/if they plan on doing FTM 2015?

 

Thanks to all, Sam (Camas, WA)

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?

[Diane George]

Thank you—that clarifies what I was seeing.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:38 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?

 

Hi Diane,

It seems that she was baptized in the house Agada, daughter of Roque, by Agada, 
and the priest only documented it, as said by Agada.

Best Regards,

Geraldo

 

2015-02-27 18:31 GMT-03:00 Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com 
mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com :

Hi,

 

I am having trouble figuring out the baptism record at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622_item1/P142.html

 

According to the NEPS database, Isabel was born on 1 Aug 1618 and is the child 
of Manuel Martins Cardoso and Leonor Ferreira. 
(http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=en;p=isabel;n=ferreira;oc=1)

 

I am fairly sure that this record is from 1 Aug 1618 and that Isabel is named 
in it, but it looks like more than one person was baptized or something else 
that I can’t figure out. Any help would be appreciated.

 

Diane George

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

I am having trouble figuring out the baptism record at
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-
1622/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622_item1/P142.html

 

According to the NEPS database, Isabel was born on 1 Aug 1618 and is the
child of Manuel Martins Cardoso and Leonor Ferreira.
(http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=en;p=isabel;
n=ferreira;oc=1)

 

I am fairly sure that this record is from 1 Aug 1618 and that Isabel is
named in it, but it looks like more than one person was baptized or
something else that I can't figure out. Any help would be appreciated.

 

Diane George

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?

[Diane George]

Maybe the names I think I am seeing, e.g. Agada, are the godparents. Thanks for 
the help.

 

Diane

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:49 PM
To: azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?

 

Hi Diane,

 

It looks like Isabel was baptized in the casa..I just see one child 
baptized in the record. The one directly above it is for twins.

 

Nancy Jean

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From: digeorg...@hotmail.com mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com 
To: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:31:22 -0800

Hi,

 

I am having trouble figuring out the baptism record at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622_item1/P142.html

 

According to the NEPS database, Isabel was born on 1 Aug 1618 and is the child 
of Manuel Martins Cardoso and Leonor Ferreira. 
(http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=en;p=isabel;n=ferreira;oc=1
 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico%3blang=en%3bp=isabel%3bn=ferreira%3boc=1
 )

 

I am fairly sure that this record is from 1 Aug 1618 and that Isabel is named 
in it, but it looks like more than one person was baptized or something else 
that I can’t figure out. Any help would be appreciated.

 

Diane George


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help for Death Record

[Diane George]

Thank you very much, Margaret. That was a great help. I had never seen multiple 
deaths in one record.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 6:54 AM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help for Death Record

 

Diane,

 

The priest wrote multiple deaths in the same obit.  I've seen it before in the 
case of accidents when they hall happened to die together but in this case the 
priest does not specify.  Here's the gist of it:

 

On January 23rd 1705 we buried Francisco De Utra Machado and Maria da Rosa wife 
of Francisco of rua de cima street above naturals and living in this parish 
of Santa Catarina, Castelo Branco Place of this island of Faiial.  First burial 
is located in the middle of the principal door/entrance door

 

On the 2nd page you can better read as he wrote:

 

All received the Sacraments and for his soul the wife of Francisco Gularte was 
obligated of ordering masses said for his soul. etc  Because some of the belong 
to the Society of the Souls they had extra prayers said for themand he 
closing 

 

Deceased are Francisco De Utra Machado, 60 years old.  Antonio Alvernas, 65 
years old and Maria da Rosa, 21 years old.

 

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 1:14 AM, Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com 
mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com  wrote:

Hi,

 

I have been searching for the death record for Francisco Dutra Machado on 
January 22, 1705. I found a record at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P122.html
 (bottom entry, right page), continuing onto the next page. I see his name in 
the record, but the rest of it does not look like anything I have seen before 
so I am having difficulty translating the rest. Can anyone help?

 

Diane George

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help for Death Record

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

I have been searching for the death record for Francisco Dutra Machado on
January 22, 1705. I found a record at
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-
1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P122.html (bottom entry,
right page), continuing onto the next page. I see his name in the record,
but the rest of it does not look like anything I have seen before so I am
having difficulty translating the rest. Can anyone help?

 

Diane George

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Passport columns?

[Diane George]

Thank you for the list. It will help greatly.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Evee Silva Kiler
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 5:59 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: Azores@googlegroups.com; kmacard...@me.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Passport columns?

 

These are the columns I tried to translate for 1885 out of Horta:

 

Datas (Date)


Anno

Year


Mes

Month


Dia

Day



Numero de Passporte


Passport #


Nomes

Name


Estado

Marital Status


Profissao

Profession


Edado

Age



Signaes (signs/characteristics)
Altura



Height


Rosto

Face


Cabello

Hair


Sobrolhos

Eyebrows


Olhos

Eyes


Naris

Nose


Bocca

Mouth


Cor

Color


Destino

Destination


Quem leva em sua companhia

Who is with you



Naturalidade (place of birth)
Ilha



Island


Conselho

Council


Freguesia

Parish


Sabe escrever

Can Write


Nome do Navio

Ship Name


Observacoes

Observations



Evee


On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Kathy Andrade Cardoza wrote:

Like a lot of us, I'm sure, I'm enjoying looking for ancestors in the Horta 
passports. I can read most of the column headings; name, age, status, 
occupation, where born, ship name, destination ... But, what are the other 
column headings? Does anyone have a breakdown of these. Maybe I need new 
glasses, LOL.

Kathy

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport columns?

[Diane George]

Thanks! It does help.

 

Diane George

 

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Hermano C. Pires
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 3:58 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport columns?

 

Not all follow the same patern but I had a look for one in 1920. In order, left 
to right:
- Dates (year, month, day)
- Passport number
- Names
- Marital status
- Profession
- Age
- sinaes caracteristicos Unique charactristics (height, face, hair, 
sob-olhos lit. under the eyes, eyes, nose,  mouth, colour). sob-olhos threw 
me for a loop, what is so unique about one's lower lid ?
- Destination
- Others traveling with 
- Places of birth (islands, councils, vilages) - for vilages read also Parishes
- Ability to write (male, female)
- Ship's name
- Obsevations 
 
Had a quick look at others from previuos years and the order is not exactly the 
same!
 
That is it in a nut shell. Hope that it helps.
Hermano

 

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To: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport columns?
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:48:37 -0800

I’m with Kathy. I can figure out some, but not all the headings. If anyone 
knows where to find the info about the headings, it would really help.

 

Diane George

 

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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 1:06 PM
To: Azores Google Group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport columns?

 

Like a lot of us, I'm sure, I'm enjoying looking for ancestors in the Horta 
passports. I can read most of the column headings; name, age, status, 
occupation, where born, ship name, destination ... But, what are the other 
column headings? Does anyone have a breakdown of these. Maybe I need new 
glasses, LOL.

Kathy

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport columns?

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I’m with Kathy. I can figure out some, but not all the headings. If anyone 
knows where to find the info about the headings, it would really help.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kathy Cardoza
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 1:06 PM
To: Azores Google Group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport columns?

 

Like a lot of us, I'm sure, I'm enjoying looking for ancestors in the Horta 
passports. I can read most of the column headings; name, age, status, 
occupation, where born, ship name, destination ... But, what are the other 
column headings? Does anyone have a breakdown of these. Maybe I need new 
glasses, LOL.

Kathy





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mathias Family

[Diane Mathias]

Thank you so very much.  I have been hitting a wall on this for quite some 
time.  Venancio was my grandfarther's brother. and would love to hear from 
any of his progeny. Regards,  Diane

On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 2:40:23 PM UTC-8, Diane Mathias wrote:

 Hello, any info on the Mathias family of Lomba Flores. They left Lomba in 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Mathias Family

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Hello, any info on the Mathias family of Lomba Flores. They left Lomba in 
the late 1800's or ealry 1900's and settled in Alemada County CA and also 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genetic Distance on Y-DNA

[Diane George]

Thanks for the info. My nephew has one 0 GD match, but the other person has 
almost no information that can be substantiated about the ancestors of the 
person who matches. 

 

The chart makes it a little easier to explain the match and its significance.

 

Diane George (Silva)

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 5:55 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genetic Distance on Y-DNA

 

Since a few results from the beginning of the Holiday DNA Sale will begin to 
hit us next week, I thought now might be a good time to go over this.

Y-DNA:  The top of the pedigree chart.  Y-DNA traces a man's father's father's 
father's line only.  All men, all the way back.  A man must take this test.  If 
you're a man, you are in luck.  If you are not a male, you'll need your 
brother, your uncle, a male cousin whose father's father's father's line is the 
one you want.  

What you get back is a string of numbers.  Let's say you are the guy on top and 
your match is the guy on the bottom.


13 

23 

14 

11 

11-14 

12 

12 

12 

13 

13 

29

 


13 

24 

14 

11 

11-14 

12 

12 

12 

13 

13 

29

(Don't get too excited over my example.  I used the Western Atlantic Modal 
Haplotype).

What this means is you and your match have what is called a genetic distance of 
one.  Genetic genealogists are a bit acronym obsessed, so they write GD=1.

What it REALLY means though depends on the number of markers you test.  For a 
genealogical match, you need to test 37 or more markers (the tests are for 37, 
67, and 111 markers).  There is nothing wrong with starting at the 12 marker 
level and upgrading to the 37 or higher marker level as your budget may allow.  
Just don't expect anything meaningful from a 12 or 25 marker match.

Here is Family Tree DNA's handy dandy chart if figuring out if the genetic 
distance is meaningful or not at the higher marker levels.

37 markers: http://goo.gl/VnivpP

67 markers: http://goo.gl/GAU7zc

111 markers: http://goo.gl/nvG0Hp

(FTDNA loves to rearrange things, so I just go to Google and type in: genetic 
distance  markers)

My dad has no 37 or 67 marker matches.  He has 12 and 25 marker matches, but I 
have the 12 marker turned off (he is grayed out if anyone matches him).  This 
is under the Settings tab, if anyone gets too many emails about this level of 
matching.

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Children in CCA passport records?

[Diane Cox]

I am beginning to look for my Great-grandmother in the passport records.
According to family tradition, she came without her parents.  She married
in California at age 16.  Census records suggest she came possibly as young
as 8.  Would she be listed individually?  I haven't seen any ages that are
young.

When you are searching, do you look at each name or scan for the correct
island and then look at the name?

Thank you,
Diane

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Marriage

[Diane George]

Try this link instead:

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1756-1797/SMG-RG-RIBEIRASECA-C-1756-1797_item1/P105.html

 

Diane George

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 3:50 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Seca Marriage

 

For whatever reason, the tool bar on top for the CCA records is gone.  I can 
only enlarge one level.  I can't tell the name of the mother of the bride 
because it's too small, but it doesn't look long enough or the right shape to 
be Botelho.

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Program

[Diane George]

How large is your data file? Legacy has a limit of 2 GB for the family file 
(extension is fdb.)  

 

Here is a link to some suggestions for dealing with data losses and some other 
ideas about why they 
occur--http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00944/11/Error-Messages-Problems/Data-Loss-How-can-I-stop-prevent-it.html.

 

Also, their support is normally pretty responsive so if you can give them a 
clear picture of the problem and of what version of Legacy and what version of 
Windows, they should be able to help you. Here is the link for reporting 
problems:  http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Problems.asp

 

Diane George

 

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George Pacheco
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:03 PM
To: Azores-Gen
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Program

 




I have Legacy,  I love it but having and not happy with it at the same time.

 

The problem i have  problems loosing data, every once in a while when entering 
a new family.

 I get and error and can't get rid of it until i do a file repair i back up my 
file and check if the last person i added is there, as days go by i'm looking 
for other data i have put in and it is all missing, looking for something 
better than Legacy that can handle my big File any suggestion, I tried TMG 
takes to long to upload my file and to search, Family tree maker is the same.

 

 

Thanks

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Program

[Diane George]

You need to find out the file size by going to the folder where Legacy stores 
the Data; the folder name is usually “Data” and it is in the “LegacyFamilyTree” 
folder. If you used the default locations, the files are in the Documents 
folder in Windows. If you do exceed the limit, you may have to split your 
database into smaller “branches.”

 

The file ends with the extension “.fdb.” That is what determines whether you 
have exceeded the file size limit. If you start looking at other programs, be 
sure to find out what the file size limitations are or you will run into 
similar problems.

 

Diane George

 

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George Pacheco
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 5:13 PM
To: Azores-Gen
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Program

 

I have 158342

 

 

On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com 
mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com  wrote:

How large is your data file? Legacy has a limit of 2 GB for the family file 
(extension is fdb.)  

 

Here is a link to some suggestions for dealing with data losses and some other 
ideas about why they 
occur--http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00944/11/Error-Messages-Problems/Data-Loss-How-can-I-stop-prevent-it.html.

 

Also, their support is normally pretty responsive so if you can give them a 
clear picture of the problem and of what version of Legacy and what version of 
Windows, they should be able to help you. Here is the link for reporting 
problems:  http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Problems.asp

 

Diane George

 

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[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of 
George Pacheco
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:03 PM
To: Azores-Gen
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Program

 




I have Legacy,  I love it but having and not happy with it at the same time.

 

The problem i have  problems loosing data, every once in a while when entering 
a new family.

 I get and error and can't get rid of it until i do a file repair i back up my 
file and check if the last person i added is there, as days go by i'm looking 
for other data i have put in and it is all missing, looking for something 
better than Legacy that can handle my big File any suggestion, I tried TMG 
takes to long to upload my file and to search, Family tree maker is the same.

 

 

Thanks

 

George

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pictures of Azorean Whalers

[Diane George]

Thanks for the link! It is an interesting article.

 

Diane George

 

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Faria
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 2:30 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pictures of Azorean Whalers

 

Hi Everyone,

Interesting National Geographic article with Pictures of Azorean Whalers.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/06/pictures/130613-azores-whalers-culture-history-marine-science/#/portugal-one-time-whalers-azore-boat-then_68361_600x450.jpg

Antonio

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Marriage record of Manuel Dutra da Rosa and Domingas Pereira

[Diane George]

Thanks for the help--I was afraid I was misreading it.

Diane

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Marriage record of Manuel Dutra da 
Rosa and Domingas Pereira

Domingas is listed as the widow of Joao da Roza, the priest lists his parents 
as well as the parents of Manoel's first wife.  That's a very thorough record!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help-Marriage record of Manuel Dutra da Rosa and Domingas Pereira

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

I am having trouble translating this marriage record,
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1720-1
766/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1720-1766_item1/P34.html, second entry on the left
side. The groom and bride are supposed to be Manuel Dutra da Rosa and
Domingas Pereira. Please excuse the lack of diacritical marks in some of the
names.

 

It looks like the groom is Manuel Dutra da Rosa, son of Manuel Dutra da
Rosa, deceased and Maria Silveira, born in Castelo Branco. I can't figure
out the names after Castelo Branco. It looks like Manuel (groom) is the
widower of Maria da Brum, daughter of Antonio de Dutra and Maria de Brum,
but I can't make out the rest of the sentence. Domingas appears on the next
line as the daughter of Joao de Serpa and Maria ?, deceased, daughter? of
Joao da Rosa, son of Manuel Rodrigues and Maria Furtado, deceased, born in
Cedros.

 

According to NEPS, Manuel was married to Maria da Brum and Domingas was
married to a Joao da Rosa, prior to this marriage. Do I have the names
correct. It doesn't make sense as I am seeing it. It would make sense if
Domingas were listed as the widow of Joao da Rosa. Or I am translating
incorrectly or is NEPS completely off?

 

Please help me mae sense out of this.

 

Diane George

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

I think the name is “Vieira.” Compare the “r” to the “r” in other words in the 
record, e.g., “Sylveira” and “frequesia.”

 

Diane George  

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 11:03 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with an Obios from Matriz da Horta, Faial

 

Margaret -

 

Here is the link for the marriage record of Joze (Jozeph) and Isabel do 
Rosario. (top right page)

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758_item1/P96.html

 

When I first posted it several members replied - one whom said the brides 
mothers name looked like Viceza (I don't have the diacritic over the e; which 
would make the full name Vicenza).

 

I don't believe that's correct.  I think the name is Viera.

 

Could you take a look and verify that if possible? (ninth line from the bottom 
of the record..

 

Thanks!

 

Lee

 


On Monday, August 11, 2014 1:03:08 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:

Hi Lee,

 

That gap would make me suspicious.  Are you sure this is she?  The Mother's 
name is different, Maria Vieira.  The Parish is Santa Barbara and you wrote she 
was from S. Joao Batista which is a different freguesia.

 

 Note:  she was the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel 
was from parish of Sao Joao Baptista, Pico)

 

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net javascript:  
wrote:

Thank you Margaret.

 

I  went to the birth records for Ribieras, Pico and finally found her record; 
she was born in 1722 which made her 46 at the time of her death - certainly a 
far cry from 60!  

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1697-1731_item1/P205.html

 

Right side, top.

 

Again, thank you for your help.

 


On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:55:22 AM UTC-4, Mara wrote:

Hi Lee,

 

Death date reads Sep. 2nd 1768.  Age 60 years old more or less.

 

Notice he writes more or less because the age entered is not verified and you 
will need to look up her birth record within the timeframe above as a start and 
work it backwards.  I've found gaps of 10 years in some of my records.

 

On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net 
mailto:shor...@suddenlink.net  wrote:

Below is the link for the obitos of Isabel do Rozario (top, left page)

 

I know she was married to Joze Sylveira and died September 2nd??, 1768.

 

The main question that I have is her age at death - I see Secenta (60) which I 
have a problem with - she and Joze  were married in 1748 and from 1749 to 1763 
had 6 children (known of so far, that is).

 

I know this as been discussed before; but would she really have had a child as 
late as age 65?  (I DON'T THINK SO...)  Either the age is incorrect or she 
really, really looked much older than her true age at death.

 

According to their marriage which occurred in Horta on August 5, 1748, she was 
the daughter of Joam d'Azevedo and Maria Vencenza(?) (Isabel was from parish of 
Sao Joao Baptista, Pico)  and Joze was the son of Pai Incognito and Barbara 
Sylveira (slave of Captain Gregorio Perreira of Sao Matteus, Pico).

 

Any formation/help would be greatly appreciated.

 

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794/FAL-HT-MATRIZ-O-1766-1794_item1/P21.html

 

 

Than you!

 

Lee Estep

Oak Hill WV

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos

[Diane George]

You might also try searching at http://books.google.com. They have links to 
sellers and a link to Worldcat to search for the books in libraries that might 
be near you. Google also tells you if eBooks are available. Some books have 
previews available.

 

I suggest searching by the author’s name in this format José Maria Eça de 
Queirós (with the quotes). I seemed to get more results that way even for 
individual books. The results will include both English and Portuguese versions.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
MaryAnn Santos
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 7:02 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos

 

Yes, there are in English translations.  Amazon has copies of The Sin of Father 
Amaro ranging in price from $6.50 to $2,423.64!! I think that  must be a typo.

 

An english translation of The Maias by Queiroz came out a few years ago and is 
another excellent read. I thoroughly enjoyed The Relic, too. I read it first in 
English and then in Portuguese. Although I think it's out of print now. Since I 
live in  NYC I buy a lot of used books at Strand. They have great deals on 
hardcover new and used books (and paperbacks) and you can buy them online. 
Here's the link.

 

http://www.strandbooks.com/

 

MaryAnn

 

 

 

On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com 
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com  wrote:

MaryAnn,
 
Are these books available in English? Do you know how many he has written?
 
Thank you,
Nancy 
 

  _  

From: m...@nyu.edu mailto:m...@nyu.edu 
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 14:07:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos
To: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com 

Thank you, John. I had forgotten about Father Amara and as an aside, The Sins 
of Father Amaro is an excellent read - as are all of the Queiroz books I've 
read.

 

MaryAnn

 

 

On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 1:16 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com  wrote:

In my researching experience, I have noted the following:

 

When people from the villages went to the convents in Ponta Delgada and Ribeira 
Grande to have foundling babies placed with them, there was not, necessarily, a 
connection between the foster parent and the baby.

 

As for the villages, if an unmarried (or widowed) woman was pregnant, I think 
that in such small places where everybody knew everybody else, I doubt that the 
pregnancy could go unnoticed. And, the parish priest, who heard confessions at 
a time when people really worried about what would happen if they died in a 
state of mortal sin, must have known what his penitents were up to. I think 
that when a baby was left at somebody's door in a small village, everybody 
knew, or thought they knew, who the mother (and maybe the father) were. 
Sometimes these children might have been left at the doors of relatives, but 
they would have required a nursemaid, i.e.a woman with breast milk.

 

As for names, again, there is no one answer. Babies who were placed with and 
stayed with the same family to adulthood (as opposed to being shipped out as 
servants from family to family) sometimes took the family name. Sometimes an 
exposto took a name, e.g. Bettencourt, with no apparent rime or reason. 
However, a closer look shows that the Bettencourts were a prominent family in 
the village and perhaps it was an open secret that this baby was the offspring 
of the squire's son (or daughter).

 

Infant mortality for expostos was much higher than among non-exposto babies. 
The state paid a stipend for the first few months of life for babies placed 
with nursing foster-mothers. When the subsidy stopped, the infant mortality 
rate rose substantially.

 

Eça de Queiroz touched on this subject in his novel O Crime do Padre Amaro; one 
of the characters made her living by taking in unwanted/illegitimate babies of 
the socially promminent and arranging for their deaths. Eloise Cadinha, a 
member of the List, sent me her notes on this subject, and with my thanks to 
Eloise, I am enclose them:

 

 

Most of us as we research our ancestors will find an exposto or two.  It is 
indeed miraculous that they were able to survive to adulthood, to marry and to 
have children. 

 

Expostos - a translation. A very sad situation.


The following is my poor translation of part of an article written by Henrique 
Bras 1884-1984) in Boletim de Instituto Histórico da ilha Terceira, 1947.

 

In the last three centuries there is a long list of filhos da igreja (children 
of the church), also known at times as baptism records, of unknown fathers and 
mothers in the parish registers of Terceira, who were often baptized with the 
most noble or notable or the very rich people of Terceira who stood as 
godparents.  At a more recent time the number of children secretly abandoned at 
the rodas (wheels) had greatly increased

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1866 marriage Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island, written at end of book

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

On Windows 8.1 and I think on Windows 8, you have two options for rotating an 
image.

 

1.  Open the image by double-clicking. That opens the Windows Photo Viewer 
which has a rotation function in the tools at the bottom of the screen.

Or

2.  Go the  Start screen and find Windows Paint. It’s in the Accessories. 
It has rotation and some simple photo editing tools. If you can’t find it, go 
to the Start screen and type “Paint.” You don’t need to select or click on 
anything. A search box will open on the right side of the screen and will 
display programs with the word “Paint” in them. Click on the result for “Paint” 
and it should open the Paint program.

 

This should be easier than rotating your laptop.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:49 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1866 marriage Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao 
Miguel island, written at end of book

 

Interesting.  Books on tour.  Now I need to read everything after the close of 
the books and learn to read Portuguese upside down!  It was kinda weird turning 
my laptop upside down and having the screen on my lap and the touchpad up there 
and trying to navigate it.

You can stop laughing now.  I'm not THAT ditzy!  My old Photoshop doesn't work 
on this Windows 8 computer.  A genealogy friend has a less older Photoshop that 
may work.  She'll give me the disk when she finds it.  Rotating in Photoshop 
would be easier than turning my computer upside down!


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism 20 years later

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

I have a record from Flamengos that I found accidentally. My great-grandfather 
Luis Goncalves da Silva was born in 1860 according to his gravestone, but I 
could not find any baptism record at all. One day I was looking for someone 
else and found a note at the bottom of a page  among baptism records at the 
bottom of a page with January births in 1858:   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1844-1860/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1844-1860_item1/P201.html
  (bottom left)

 

That record pointed me to another entry in 1880 that contained the usual 
baptism information (except the actual date), including the parents and 
grand-parents. 
(http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1879-1892/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1879-1892_item1/P24.html.

 

This happy accident got me past a brick wall and led me through ancestors to 
10th great grandparents from records were in the CCA records. Prior to that 
find, all I had was the name of Luis’ parents from the NEPS database.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism 20 years later

 

So I don't hijack the other thread...

Here's the baptism of my ancestor, 20 years after his birth:

Luis, top left: http://goo.gl/xKMGur

I did this work years ago.  Now that I look at it again, it appears to say that 
he was baptized in 1825.  I don't think it's saying anything out of the 
ordinary though.  Godparents, witnesses, the priest...that's all ordinary.



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help, mom's name

[Diane George]

Hi, 

 

What’s the link?

 

Diane

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eddie Machado
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 8:03 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help, mom's name

 

Hi all, I once again need a little help with the translations. I can't read the 
mom's name or the exact year. Here is what I have:

 

Manuel son of Jorge d' Azevedo Machado and (Can't read mom's name)

Paternal grandparents are Manuel d' Azevedo Machado and Maria Isabel

Maternal grandparents are Joam? d' Azevedo de Borba and Anna d' Azevedo?

The date I read is 15th of August 18? and not sure if this is the birth or 
baptism day

godparents are Joaquim d' Azevedo Machado and Juinita? d' Azevedo

 

Thanks for any help,

 

Eddie

 

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation for Maria

[Diane George]

I think that the parents of Maria are Maneol Jose and Maria Josefa. The
words after his name are and of his wife (de sua mer). I believe that the
godparents (padrinhos) are Jose and Maria, children of Antonio Jorge and his
wife Josefa Isabel. I don't find any information about the parents of either
Manoel or Maria (paterna or materna). I am still a novice at this so
hopefully someone else can give this a try.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:04 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Translation for Maria

 

Hi I am looking for help on reading the baptism of Maria from what I can
read is parents are Manoel Jose da Silva and Maria Josefa, I know that the
year is 1842 and this is based off CCA page.

It starts on the page 14 bottom and goes to the next page top right

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1841-
1856/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1841-1856_item1/P16.html

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1841-
1856/PIC-LJ-RIBEIRAS-B-1841-1856_item1/P17.html

 

I am able to read or what I think I can understand is that she was born in
June of 1842 at the village of Santa Barbara dos or of Ribeiras Pico.  I see
which is what I want to confirm that parents are Manoel Jose da Silva and
Maria Josefa.   The father parents are Antoino Jose da Sliva and Josefa and
I cannot understand the rest.   

 

 

 

 


Thank you
Bob Camacho
Researching the Island of Terceira for
da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
Researching the Island of Graciosa for
Reis
Researching the Island of Madeira for
Camacho
Researching Brazil for
Evangelho

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Paleography

[Diane George]

I was able to open it.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:08 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Paleography

 

 

Hi,

I received this file today in a genealogy list from Brazil.

It might be useful someday.

Best regards,

Geraldo

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores to California

[Diane Cox]

Thank you everyone!


On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:50 PM, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote:

 One thing that I didn't mention was the fishing Industry in San Diego
 California, immigrants from the Azores were heavily involved in it.

 Antonio




 On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:43:03 PM UTC-7, Diane Cox wrote:

 I've enjoyed the thread about Hawaii, Massachusetts or Brazil.  Does
 anyone know the background of the migration to California.  There was a
 large concentration of Portuguese in Newcastle, CA where I grew up.  Family
 tradition says that my great-grandmother came from Flores in the early
 1880's because her parents had died and something happened on the island
 and many people were leaving.  Other relatives came from Pico and Faial in
 the 1880's and 90's.  Does anyone have background on how and why they came
 to California instead of the east coast?
 Thank you,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Site

[Diane George]

No problem here either.

 

Diane George

 

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Gerri Martin
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:53 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Site

 

Is anyone else having trouble with access? I have tried three different 
browsers, cleared my history, restarted my computer and can't get on.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores to California

[Diane Cox]

I've enjoyed the thread about Hawaii, Massachusetts or Brazil.  Does anyone
know the background of the migration to California.  There was a large
concentration of Portuguese in Newcastle, CA where I grew up.  Family
tradition says that my great-grandmother came from Flores in the early
1880's because her parents had died and something happened on the island
and many people were leaving.  Other relatives came from Pico and Faial in
the 1880's and 90's.  Does anyone have background on how and why they came
to California instead of the east coast?
Thank you,
Diane

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help 'de Faria' (Sao Pedro, Faial)

[Diane George]

Edna,

 

The only one I can get clearly that is different from what you have is the
maternal grandmother, Maria Jacintha, not Mariana Ignacia. 

 

Diane George

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Edna Epps
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 3:08 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help 'de Faria' (Sao Pedro,
Faial)

 

I think this says that they are natives  of this parish.  I think the
Maternal Grandparents are Domingos Luis and Maria Jacintha.   You have most
of it right.   where it says he was baptized I think that is the priest's
name (?)   I think the Godmother's first name may be Felicia Jacinta.  Those
are my thoughts, but I'm just learning too.;)

Edna
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Joshua 10:14 And there was no day like that before it or after it where the
Lord listened to the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel



 

On Jul 12, 2014, at 2:37 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy
azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com  wrote:





The record is top left side for my 2nd ggrandfather.  Jose Francisco de
Faria.  Note this record does not give his father's surname of Faria but;
all else jives with what I already have on him.  If anyone could verify that
what I have translated is correct and fill in the missing blanks I would be
most grateful of your help.  Sam in NC

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-18
06-1826/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-B-1806-1826_item1/P169.html

Jose, son of Jose Francisco and of his wife, Rosa Jacinta ??. parish of this
parish of Nossa Senora de Ajuda, place of Pedro Miguel, grandson of Jose
Francisco and of Thereza Ignacia. Maternal grandson of ??? Luis and of
Marianna Ignacia. Born on the 9th day of the month of March eighteen hundred
twenty five (1825) and was baptized ???   13 day of the same month
and year.   godfather Antonio Garcia and his wife,  Jacinta. 
 Padre ?? Vieira ???   day, month as above.

Priest: Francisco de Borba da Silveria ???

 

 

Sent from Windows Mail

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada

[Diane George]

Thanks. That clarifies your prior post for me. I have found another Mateus 
Silveira and Francisca Inacia, parents of an Antonio in the NEPS data at 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=mateus+jose;n=silveira.
 I found the 

marriage record for this Mateus and Francisca ( 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1766-1825/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1766-1825_item1/P4.html
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1766-1825/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-C-1766-1825_item1/P4.html
 and the birth record ( 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1772-1791/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1772-1791_item1/P26.html
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1772-1791/FAL-HT-FETEIRA-B-1772-1791_item1/P26.html)
 for their Antonio, but I still don’t have a way to determine if that Antonio 
is the same as the Antonio Silveira who is the parent of the twins. I have his 
death record, but it does not include any names other than his wife.  I will 
look at some additional records for the other children to see what I can find.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
p...@dholmes.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:52 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre 
Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada

 

Diane,

 

Based on the Feteira link, I think your ancestor is Antonio Silveira and you 
are are basing your link to these Candelaria ancestors on what NEPS tells you.

 

The direct link to Antonio Silveira is this:

 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=antonio;n=silveira;oc=9
 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=antonio;n=silveira;oc=9

 

If you look at the baptism of his twins in 1804, for example, you see he is not 
native of Candelaria, Pico.

That is the exact place where Helder Oliveira went wrong when he made this NEPS 
database. Funny thing is that they connect to his own Oliveira line, too, and 
he still got it wrong.

 

So if these people in Candelaria are yours based on this ancestor Antonio, then 
no, these are not your ancestors. But you do have other Pico ancestors who 
might lead to them, I suppose. Just not from this particular Antonio Silveira.

 

And yes, like another said, there is that gap in baptisms for Candelaria and no 
marriages either. And deaths don't start until about 1815, if I recall.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Pico  Terceira Genealogist

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 Original Message 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for
Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
From: Diane George  mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com digeorg...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 5:34 pm
To:  mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com

Alexandre and Madalena are actually from Candelaria, Pico and I am trying to 
trace them as they are my ancestors. The marriage record seems to be more solid 
than what is on NEPS so I am trying to use it and gather as much as possible 
from the contents. I never “rely” on NEPS.

 

Diane

 

From:  mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of  
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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 3:33 PM
To:  mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre 
Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada

 

This line is completely botched thanks to NEPS.

 

If anyone has ancestors from Feteira, you need to do your own research and 
ignore the information given so nicely to you by NEPS. A perfect case of 
caveat emptor (buyer beware). Or have fun tracing all the wrong ancestors.

 

You'll spend more time trying to figure out this mess than actually tracing 
your own ancestors.

 

In other words, this golden platter came with a Trojan horse.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Pico  Terceira Genealogist

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre
Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
From: Diane George  mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com digeorg...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 2:53 pm
To:  mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com

Hi,

 

I have

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada

[Diane George]

Alexandre and Madalena are actually from Candelaria, Pico and I am trying to 
trace them as they are my ancestors. The marriage record seems to be more solid 
than what is on NEPS so I am trying to use it and gather as much as possible 
from the contents. I never “rely” on NEPS.

 

Diane

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
p...@dholmes.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 3:33 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre 
Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada

 

This line is completely botched thanks to NEPS.

 

If anyone has ancestors from Feteira, you need to do your own research and 
ignore the information given so nicely to you by NEPS. A perfect case of 
caveat emptor (buyer beware). Or have fun tracing all the wrong ancestors.

 

You'll spend more time trying to figure out this mess than actually tracing 
your own ancestors.

 

In other words, this golden platter came with a Trojan horse.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Pico  Terceira Genealogist

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre
Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada
From: Diane George  mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com digeorg...@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, July 08, 2014 2:53 pm
To:  mailto:azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com

Hi,

 

I have located a marriage record and am having a little uncertainty with the 
translation. I can pick out the names as follows:

 

Date of Marriage:  10 January 1724

Groom:  Alexandre Ferreira, son of Manuel Ferreira and his wife, Catharina 
Garcia.

Bride:  Madalena Furtada, daughter of Manuel Goularte and Maria Furtada.

 

The record is at  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752_item1/P13.html
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-C-1718-1752_item1/P13.html
 and is the only full record on the right page. Is there any information in the 
record about the ages of the parents? The reason I am trying to locate that 
information is that in the NEPS database, Alexandre and Madalena are shown as 
the parents of Francisca, but with birthdates in 1668 and 1666, respectively 
and with a different set of parents for both.  (Alexandre,  
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;n=ferreira
 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=alexandrre;n=ferreira
 and Madalena,  
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=madalena;n=furtado;oc=1
 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=FETEIRA;lang=en;p=madalena;n=furtado;oc=1.)
 It doesn’t sound likely that the NEPS information is correct as they would be 
56 and 58 years old at the time of the marriage and 61 and 63 at the birth of 
the last child.

 

There are no baptism records for the period from 1692 to 1705 for Candelaria on 
the CCA site. Is it possible the records are somewhere else or just haven’t 
been uploaded yet.

 

I have also located birth records for three children of what appears to be the 
same couple, the children being:

 

Bartolomeu, born 20 August 1724,  
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P29.html
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P29.html,
 top entry on the right page.

 

Francisca, born 7 November 1726,  
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P43.html
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P43.html,
 third entry on right page. I believe that she is my 5th great-grandmother.

 

Francisco, born 4 March 1729,  
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P60.html
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P60.html,
 second entry on the right page. 

 

The children’s birthdates are consistent with the marriage date.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Diane George

  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada

[Diane George]

I actually meant that I was looking for the ages of the bride and groom.

 

Diane

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 5:56 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Translation for Alexandre 
Ferreira and Magdalena Furtada

 

Diane G,

I've never seen the ages of the parents recorded in a marriage.  I've only seen 
the ages of the bride and groom recorded, but this record in this time period 
does not record the ages of the bride and groom.

Someone who researches Candelaria should know if there's a gap in the baptism 
book.  Family Search has changed their catalog, so I can't tell what they 
filmed when they were there.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mistake on Minho SantissimaTrindade, Capelo, Isle of Faial records?

[Diane George]

You are right. Not only  are the birth dates the same. When you click on the 
child, Maria Perpetua, it goes back to the record for Maria, the “mother.” Also 
the parents Antonio and Maria were married before the parent Maria was born. 

 

As Doug said, you need to do your own research, which it looks like you are. 
Good luck!

 

Diane

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 5:47 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mistake on Minho SantissimaTrindade, Capelo, Isle 
of Faial records?

 

I really appreciate the Minho records. They have given me the start I needed in 
my search for ancestors. But I think I have found a mistake. I would like 
someone more experienced to look at  these records from Santissima Trindade, 
Capelo, Isle of Faial and see what you think. 
The UMinho record I think is wrong involves Antonio Francisco Rodriques and his 
wife Maria Perpetua. They are listed as the parents of my ancestor Antonio 
Francisco Matos. But I have looked up the actual birth records of the children 
of Antonio Francisco Matos and Ana Thomasia Coracao de Jesus . None of the 
children’s birth records give Antonio Francisco Rodriques and Maria Perpetua as 
the paternal grandparents, rather they give Antonio Francisco de Vargas and 
Catarina Inacia. Here is the Uminho page for A. F. Matos:

 

 

http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=en;p=antonio+francisco+de;n=matos

 


If you then click on the page of Antonio Francisco Rodriques from there, Maria 
Perpetua, his wife, and Maria Perpetua the child have the same date of birth, 
maybe the first hint that something is wrong.  

These are three of the children’s birth records:

Example 1. Antonio b. 3 Oct 1819, top right, 4th line, netto parte paterna de   
 Antonio Francisco e Catharina Ignacia
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1818-1824/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1818-1824_item1/P16.html

Example 2. Gabriel b. 26 Dec 1821, top left, second line : netto parte paterna 
de  Antonio Francisco de Vargas and Catharina Ignacia

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1818-1824/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1818-1824_item1/P57.html

Example 3. Jose b. 28 May 1829, bottom right, 5th line
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1825-1852/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1825-1852_item1/P83.html

What do you think? Thanks  Eleanor Faria Dwyer

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila,
married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or o Cabaco.  I believe that they are my
9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for
Maria at
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-
1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html (middle record on
the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at the time of
death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I can read
the deceased husband's name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I can't read
most of the rest of the record. 

 

The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage
tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn't born until 1673 and
her last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54
for the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de
Avila is at
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-
1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html

I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria
since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don't know how she
decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does
have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650.
It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his.

 

I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can
search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the
these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which
appears to be her language.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Diane George

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

[Diane George]

Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. 
I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 
43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria 
would fit from the four listed.

 

Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding.

 

DIane

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Vasconcelos
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

 

Hi Diane,

For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister 
was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think.

John Vasconcelos

 

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com 
mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com  wrote:

Hi,

 

I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, 
married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”.  I believe that they are my 9th 
great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html
 (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at 
the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I 
can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I 
can’t read most of the rest of the record. 

 

The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree 
has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last 
child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last 
birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html

I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since 
there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to 
look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record 
for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more 
likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his.

 

I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can 
search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these 
questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears 
to be her language.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Diane George

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

[Diane George]

Thank you—I wondered if that might be an “Se” instead of “Oi”  That would make 
a little more sense. I fear that the marriage records for Castelo Branco (at 
least on the CCA site) don’t start until 1711. Next, I have to find out if they 
exist elsewhere. I have also looked for baptism records in 1644-1646, but can’t 
find a record that I can confirm as this Maria.

 

Thanks for your suggestions.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dano
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

 

Diane, the obito does appear to state that Maria was age 85 at death, but, if 
that first letter is actually an s with an exaggerated tail, it would read 
age 75 at death.

 

I say this because it appears that the scribe used a selective flourish on a 
couple of words - one being Maria's age, and, the other, the daughter's status 
as Solteira (single). Both words include an exaggerated tail on the letter 
s. If this is in fact the case, this Maria d'Avila would actually be ten 
years younger (75) when she passed away. My suggestion to you would be to 
confirm Maria's age by researching her marriage - which actually states the 
ages of the bride and groom. That should put to rest any questions as to 
whether you have the correct couple.


On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 1:48:30 PM UTC-4, DiG wrote:

Hi,

 

I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, 
married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”.  I believe that they are my 9th 
great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html
 (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at 
the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I 
can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I 
can’t read most of the rest of the record. 

 

The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree 
has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last 
child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last 
birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html

I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since 
there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to 
look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record 
for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more 
likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his.

 

I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can 
search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these 
questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears 
to be her language.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Diane George

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

[Diane George]

Thank you for the information. I believe I am a descendant of Pedro Dutra 
Alvernas and Maria Correia.

 

I will send you more information to your email address. 

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:56 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

 

Hi Diane, 
I'm also from this line, as I descend from Pedro Dutra Alvernas and Maria 
Correia (the Dutra in my name today is from him). This Pedro Dutra Alvernas is 
also Known as cabaço, and he is probably the son of Pedro Dutra Alvernas (also 
known as Pedro Utra) married to Maria de Ávila. 
I have not found the marriage record for Pedro Dutra Alvernas, the son, to 
Maria Correia. His death is the second in the left:

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1727-1782_item1/P69.html


I wonder which son or daughter you descend from.

The information I have on Pedro Dutra Alvernaz and Maria de Ávila is from 
Genealogias das Quatro Ilhas, vol.I, p.811, de Jorge Forjaz e Atonio Ornelas 
Mendes.:

 

Maria de Ávila, n. em 1647 e f. em Castelo Branco a 1.2.1722.

C.c. Pedro Dutra Alvernaz, b. em Castelo Branco a 3.7.1650 e f. em Castelo 
Branco a 9.11.1705, filho de Amaro de Almança e de Isabel de Alvernaz.

 

It means she was born in 1647 e died in 1 fev 1722. Married to Pedro Dutra 
Alvernaz, baptized in 3 jun 1650, died in 9 nov 1705, son of Amaro de Almança 
and Isabel de Alvernaz.

 

I hope it helps,

 

Geraldo Dutra de Andrade Neto

 

 

 

2014-06-24 21:39 GMT-03:00 Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com 
mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com :

Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. 
I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 
43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria 
would fit from the four listed.

 

Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding.

 

DIane

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of 
John Vasconcelos
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM
To: azores


Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

 

Hi Diane,

For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister 
was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think.

John Vasconcelos

 

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com 
mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com  wrote:

Hi,

 

I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, 
married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”.  I believe that they are my 9th 
great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for Maria at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html
 (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at 
the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I 
can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I 
can’t read most of the rest of the record. 

 

The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree 
has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her last 
child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last 
birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html

I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since 
there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she decided to 
look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record 
for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more 
likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his.

 

I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can 
search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these 
questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears 
to be her language.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Diane George

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry,com

[Diane George]

Geneablogger says Ancestry is back up, but I can’t access it with FireFox 
(times out). IE and Chrome seem to be working with the following message 
appearing at the top of the page:

 

Note:  You may be experiencing some temporary site issues with both the Search 
and Trees features on Ancestry.com. We apologize for any inconvenience this 
might cause and are working to resolve the issue and will have it back up as 
soon as possible.

 

Find A Grave also is down. It appears to be coming up and then going down 
again. Other sites as listed at  http://geneabloggers.com/ 
http://geneabloggers.com/ may be having problems as well. Go to the third post 
on the Geneabloggers page to see more info about the outages.

 

Diane George

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
David Perry
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 8:18 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry,com

 

Anyone else having trouble accessing Ancestry.com?  All I get is Site 
Unavailable for the last day or so.

David

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software

[Diane George]

Maria,

 

Legacy does not have a “transcription” field, however there is a field to 
record the data from a source so you could do the transcription in that field 
or copy it from some other source into that field. The information would appear 
in the Source detail for the fact supported. For example, if you have a baptism 
record, you would include the transcription/translation in the Source detail 
for the baptism, birth and any other information in the record.

 

You can create additional Event/Fact fields for the Godparents and Witnesses.

 

As Cheri indicated, you can generate web pages from your data and there is a 
way to store DNA results.

 

Go to http://legacyfamilytree.com to see which features are in the Standard 
(free) edition versus the Deluxe ($29.95 for the download version and $39.95 
for the CD version).

 

Let me know if you want more details.

 

Diane George

 

 

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GS1138
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:35 AM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software

 

My genealogy software program crashed last night.  When I was finally able to 
get it back up all the data was scrabbled.  Luckily I have older back up and 
gedcom files.  so it's not a total loss.

Since I'm forced to start over I was wondering if anyone knows of a software 
program that has the following features:

 

Transcription field for records in another language

Godparents fields

Witness fields

Website creation

DNA results (not a must have)

 

 

Thank you for any recommendations.

 

Maria

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Entries in Salao, Faial Baptism Records

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

While I was searching for a baptism record in the CCA site for Salao, I ran
across several pages of records from a different time period. 

 

These start at
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-SALAO-B-1780-181
7/FAL-HT-SALAO-B-1780-1817_item1/P107.html and continue for about 4 pages.
They appear to be baptism records but don't appear to be in order and the
records for Salao start up again at the end of these in date order.

 

Can anyone tell me why these might appear in the middle of the other records
and out of order? 

 

Diane George

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising

[Diane Lavely]

Here here, from a lurker, who doesn't have enough family info yet to do more.  

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 On May 18, 2014, at 11:04 AM, \E\ Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm with Celeste, the other long timers and all the newbies on this list who 
 sincerely appreciates all the hard work Cheri has put into maintaining the 
 list in a friendly and professional manner...a great big THANK YOU, CHERI.
 
 E
 
 
 On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@me.com wrote:
 Doug and All Listers
 
 I’ve read the recent posts by Doug Holmes and now this response by Cheri and 
 felt like adding my two cents worth in…..
 
 You know, this list works the same way that every other list I’ve ever 
 belonged to does. That is, there could be hundreds or even a few thousand 
 subscribers, but only a small percentage of people actually post. The rest 
 lurk. They read and learn from the posts, but don’t post anything. I pretty 
 much count myself in that lurker group. I read the posts (most of them) but 
 rarely respond to any. That’s just human nature for most of us. I’m quite 
 certain, though, that we are all learning from what is posted here. Further, 
 I support Cheri 100%. She maintains this list, for the good of all of us. It 
 is not an easy task to keep us all on task and the discussions pertinent to 
 genealogy. She spends a lot of time and effort on this and deserves our 
 respect and appreciation for that.
 
 For those who may not know me, I am the coordinator of the Azores GenWeb 
 site. I’m responsible for maintaining the site and providing content to it. 
 It’s main purpose is to provide information and resources for beginning 
 genealogists. On the main page (link below) you will find a section on 
 Researchers for Hire. If you want to If you haven’t already checked it out, 
 I invite you to do so. 
 
 Doug, I think you should count me as one of those folks who are unclear 
 about your intent by offering a “gift.” Frankly, I find it odd that you 
 would do so and, to me, it   makes me uncomfortable. I’m not trying to 
 suggest that this is a scam……. just that it almost seems that way but I’m 
 sure that was not your intention?
 
 As for the free DNA testing you are offering……. on the surface that seems 
 very nice of you. But, I wonder …… is this something you will freely share 
 with others? Or will you somehow figure out how to charge the rest of us for 
 the information you are gleaning from it? I know from personal experience 
 with you when I shared my husband’s ancestry from Terceira, that you like to 
 accept what others send you to increase your database but offer nothing in 
 return ….. unless we pay for it. Is that what this is about? I’m sure you 
 have some supporters, but I’m not one of then. Not now. Not ever. You are 
 all about the money. You don’t share anything at all, unless you get paid 
 for your services. It’s just your way but you should, at least, be up front 
 about it.
 
 Kathy Cardoza
 ~~~
 Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
  http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
 
 Climb my Family Tree:
  http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html
 ~~~
 
 
 
 On May 17, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Doug,
 
 I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list.  
 Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and 
 clicking the About link.  The only  reason I mention it is to make people 
 aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or 
 have limited time on their hands.  The list is active with genealogy posts 
 (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the 
 1200 subscribers.  Reading a single post that says Thanks! is imposing on 
 people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical 
 search.  
 
 After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, I 
 know how it works.  Teach something.  You get questions from some of the 
 audience (class) at the end.  People (even kids) raise their hand and ask 
 questions.  The vast majority take the information that was presented and 
 walk away with it.  Then there are the few people that come up and ask a 
 question in private.  Same thing with this list.  The vast majority of 
 people read, take the information, and walk away with it.  Some people 
 raise their hand (post) their question for all to see.  And a few email 
 privately to ask a question.  
 
 Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the underlying 
 intent of that post.  You'll give people a gift who email you?  Geez, 
 you're sounding like a used car salesman!  All of us who have been into 
 this awhile know you do research for hire.  It's posted on the Azores 
 GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire.  
 And when