Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

A little bit of thread drift; I just installed a Raymarine e7D
plotter/radar on Peregrine. I got it on sale at Defender for way less than
$2K, including the radar antenna and wires. Just did a very foggy cruise to
Grand Manan Island in New Brunswick and the whole unit worked a treat. One
of the best features is that it transmits a wifi signal that I can get on
my iPad so I can check my position from my bunk; this is really handy when
I'm anchored and worried about dragging in the middle of the night.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have been using an old IBM Thinkpad and OpenCPN for years and it all
> works great. You get spoiled and “real” marine chartplotters seem quite
> lacking. OpenCPN is free and all the charts are free too.
>
> The only drawbacks are that a laptop is NOT anywhere close to waterproof,
> it isn’t in the cockpit, and they draw more power than a plotter. My old
> beast draws around 4-5 amps.
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 08, 2015 6:00 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
>
>
>
> Download  OpenCPn, the currents plug in and the charts, add the GPS dongle
> and buy a 12v power supply on Amazon.  $50 should cover the dongle and
> power supply - assuming you have a cigaretee lighter/12v power outlet.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015, jtsails via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Danny,
>
> the only GPS I carry on my boat is a small handheld garmin, I just don’t
> see the need for a big chartplotter. I’ve chartered boats that had them
> several times, but even then I found that I only used my handheld to
> navigate with since I am familiar and comfortable with it. Most of the
> time, in my home waters I don’t even use the handheld but I’ve sailed this
> area for 40+ years and probably know the waters more accurately than the
> chart plotter anyway. I can’t count the number of times I see people stuck
> on sandbars because they followed the GPS instead of the marks!
>
>
>
> James
>
> Delaney
>
> 1976 C 38
>
> Oriental, NC
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 08, 2015 5:19 PM
>
> *To:* C List
>
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
>
>
>
> Yes, it is a great option for the cost conscious.  The NOAA website has
> all of their charts available in vector and raster formats.  They also have
> links to free and paid software for viewing the charts.  You'll need to
> provide a GPS input.  There are lots of options (long term and short) but
> the quickest and easiest is to buy a usb gps dongle.
>
> A laptop is very power hungry.  The chargers usually draw 90w or ~7.5
> amps.  It's worse if you have to use an inverter.  12v chargers can often
> be found on amazon or ebay for pretty cheap, $10.
>
> Most laptops are also not in any way waterproof.
>
> PM me if you need more info.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Sep 8, 2015 5:05 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
>
> The boat I'm in the process of buying does not currently have
> chartplotter.  Instead of rushing into the purchase of a new one for the
> delivery home I was thinking to use a windows tablet with an external GPS
> antennae/dongle and charts loaded from someplace to be determined.  I think
> I'd get a cheap handheld garmin as well.  GPS store has one for $169.
>
>
>
> I have windows tablet with the specs of a laptop.  i5 processor and 4gb
> ram and I have an older android tablet with decent specs for it age.
>
>
>
> Is this a viable option to at least get the boat home and try and find a
> good deal on a plotter over the off season?
>
>
>
> It would also be a carry on and use and alleviate the need to install
> anything before the trip.
>
>
>
> Any and all advice is always appreciated!
>
>
>
> Danny
>
> Still headed toward a closing
>
> Massachusetts
>
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Re: Stus-List removing sail numbers/residue

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

If it's a good chute, you may want to avoid harsh chemicals. Sailmakers I know 
just sprinkle baby powder on the old glue, as Dennis says.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

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> On Sep 6, 2015, at 17:05, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Not sure.  Probably 3M Adhesive remover.  Check with your sail maker.
> 
> I just sprinkled baby powder on the residue on one of mine.  Problem solved!
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> Just got a nearly new chute off Ebay for next to nothing.  When I remove the 
>> numbers there is residue on the sail.  What will safely clean up the glue?
>> 
>> Joel
>> 35/3
>> Annapolis
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Reporting when entering Canadian waters

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I just entered Canada with a phone call from Grand Manan. Coming back we 
entered the U.S. In Eastport, ME and met the most delightful CBP officer there. 
No hassles at all but a wonderful 45 minute conversation in his office about 
all manner of things. It was of many highlights of our recent cruise.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine 

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> On Sep 4, 2015, at 09:21, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Just when we thought the US Border Patrol was making things miserable –
>  
> http://www.npr.org/2015/09/01/436525751/canada-enforces-pleasure-boat-reporting-requirements
>  
>  
>  
> Actually, coming back from Canada this year the USBP were very co-operative, 
> I called them, they took all info on the phone as we were coming across, I 
> notified 8 or 9 other boats to do the same and 
> USBP met us at the club and just walked over and gave me a number, and that 
> was it, the smoothest it has been since it started.
> Canada was even easier, we had sent our boat and crew info with help from the 
> organizers of the race to the Canadian Border Patrol, and we just called 
> CANPASS with our Documentation # and they said welcome to Canada. Looks like 
> now It will be more complicated just crossing the imaginary line than 
> actually docking over there.
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Re: Stus-List C 37 question

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It is very like the 40 inside, but fewer concession to the rating rule, IOR, in 
the hull design (and sail plan, I think).
One thing I liked about the interior of the 37 was the drop down electronics 
mount over the nav station. And less interior teak. Ok, two things. And the 
bigger sink in the head...I'll start again. The three things I like better...
Andy
C 40
Peregrine

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> On Sep 2, 2015, at 23:08, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Andy,
> 
> Would you say that the 37 is more like the 40?  It appears so in the interior 
> and deck layouts on sailboatdata.com.  It seems that they are from the same 
> era and product line.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2015 10:42 PM, "Andrew Burton via CnC-List" 
>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> The 37 has a very different hull shape from the 38s. She is shorter in the 
>> ends, and has a little less spring to the sheer and a bit more freeboard, 
>> though still a very attractive boat. Underwater she concedes a lot less to 
>> the IOR, with a very fair hull shape and only a little bustle aft by the 
>> rudder. In plan form the stern is much less "pinched" that the 38.
>> 
>> Andy
>> C 40
>> Peregrine
>> 
>> Andrew Burton
>> 61 W Narragansett
>> Newport, RI 
>> USA02840
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2015, at 21:31, Rick Brass via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting question.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I took a cursory look at the data on Sailboatdata.com and only see one 
>>> model 37, available as std, CB, and SD models. Then there is a listing for 
>>> a 37-2 and the 37/40, but both of these are 39.5 feet long.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> But I got curious when I looked at the rig and interior layout drawings for 
>>> the 37. The interior layout appears to be the same as my 38-2, and the only 
>>> difference in appearance is the front of the coach house on the 37 has a 
>>> flat face (like a LF38, which went into production at the same time as the 
>>> 37), where the coach house on the 38-2 tapers into the foredeck. And the 
>>> production on the 37 started just when the 38-2 stopped.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> So here is a bit of data:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Model LOA   Production
>>> 
>>> 38-1 37.5873-75
>>> 
>>> 38-2 37.5875-80?
>>> 
>>> 37 S/CB/SD37.5881-86
>>> 
>>> 38-3 S/CB/SD/WK 37.5585-?
>>> 
>>> 37-2 S/CB/SD/WK 39.5088
>>> 
>>> 37/40 +/R/XL 39.5088/89
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Looking at brochures on the Photo Album, the 37 has some amenities the 38 
>>> doesn’t like an anchor locker. And the deck has styling similar to the 
>>> 35-3, 38-3, and the 37/40 series with the glued in portlights and recesses 
>>> in the cabin sides aft of the portlights. The interior, however is 
>>> virtually identical to the 38-2.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I’m wondering if the 37 was a transitional model – sort of a 38 mk2.5 – 
>>> that bridged the transition to the hull shapes and interior layouts you 
>>> find in the later boats like the 38-3 and the 37/40+/R/XL. Can anyone 
>>> confirm my hypothesis?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick Brass
>>> 
>>> Imzadi  C 38 mk 2
>>> 
>>> la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1
>>> 
>>> Washington, NC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
>>> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 3:40 PM
>>> To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
>>> Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>
>>> Subject: Stus-List C 37 question
>>> 
>>>  
>>>

Re: Stus-List C 37 question

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

The 37 has a very different hull shape from the 38s. She is shorter in the 
ends, and has a little less spring to the sheer and a bit more freeboard, 
though still a very attractive boat. Underwater she concedes a lot less to the 
IOR, with a very fair hull shape and only a little bustle aft by the rudder. In 
plan form the stern is much less "pinched" that the 38.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

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> On Sep 2, 2015, at 21:31, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting question.
>  
> I took a cursory look at the data on Sailboatdata.com and only see one model 
> 37, available as std, CB, and SD models. Then there is a listing for a 37-2 
> and the 37/40, but both of these are 39.5 feet long.
>  
> But I got curious when I looked at the rig and interior layout drawings for 
> the 37. The interior layout appears to be the same as my 38-2, and the only 
> difference in appearance is the front of the coach house on the 37 has a flat 
> face (like a LF38, which went into production at the same time as the 37), 
> where the coach house on the 38-2 tapers into the foredeck. And the 
> production on the 37 started just when the 38-2 stopped.
>  
> So here is a bit of data:
>  
> Model LOA   Production
> 38-1 37.5873-75
> 38-2 37.5875-80?
> 37 S/CB/SD37.5881-86
> 38-3 S/CB/SD/WK 37.5585-?
> 37-2 S/CB/SD/WK 39.5088
> 37/40 +/R/XL 39.5088/89
>  
> Looking at brochures on the Photo Album, the 37 has some amenities the 38 
> doesn’t like an anchor locker. And the deck has styling similar to the 35-3, 
> 38-3, and the 37/40 series with the glued in portlights and recesses in the 
> cabin sides aft of the portlights. The interior, however is virtually 
> identical to the 38-2.
>  
> I’m wondering if the 37 was a transitional model – sort of a 38 mk2.5 – that 
> bridged the transition to the hull shapes and interior layouts you find in 
> the later boats like the 38-3 and the 37/40+/R/XL. Can anyone confirm my 
> hypothesis?
>  
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi  C 38 mk 2
> la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della 
> Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 3:40 PM
> To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Subject: Stus-List C 37 question
>  
> Curious:
> How many types of C 37s are there?
> Joe
> Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Star PHRF

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Edd, that's the policy of YRALIS. Most other places seem to have spinn and 
non-spinn ratings.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Aug 26, 2015, at 14:21, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 The problem with the STAR is that it has a PHRF rating based on it’s 
 full-sailing capability which works against other boats racing with spinnaker 
 (their full-sailing capability), even though it does not have a spinnaker. 
 
 There is no good way to rate a STAR when competing against non-spinnaker 
 boats. 
 
 For example, the Enterprise rates 96 in a spinnaker division and rates 96 in 
 a non-spinnaker division. That does not mean I can be competitive not raising 
 my chute in a spinnaker division. The rating assumes everyone is on equal 
 ground. 
 
 
 All the best,
 
 Edd
 
 
 Edd M. Schillay
 Starship Enterprise
 CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
 City Island, NY 
 Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Here in Erie it is 153 for our JAM fleet.
 I am half owner of #6868 with my Trawler buddy, who races it.  It is the 
 second Star for both of us.
 Last year when he first started in the C fleet, he was killing them, and I 
 heard comments from the race committee (who didn’t know what a Star was) 
 like, “what is that surfboard with the huge sail?! Of course, the guy is a 
 great sailor, and has about 10 years sailmaking experience in his early 
 years, so he is no shrinking violet.
  
 But you are right, it does get punished when the wind pipes up! So, 
 theoretically it might be a correct rating, but when you are mostly dealing 
 with light summer evening winds . . . 
  
 Bill Coleman
 CC 39 (1/2 Star)  Erie PA 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
 Nylander via CnC-List
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:35 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Gary Nylander
 Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
  
  
 What do your folks rate a Star? We only have one Wednesday night race where 
 the fleets are combined, so usually they race one design - windward/leeward 
 - which is what they like. But on that single race, our guys rate them at 
 162, which seems to be somewhat correct. And, we race in light wind and flat 
 water, which favors them. The rest of the combined fleet ranges from a J-105 
 at 87 to a Cal 2-27 at 213.
  
 Gary
 St. Michaels MD
 
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Re: Stus-List knotmeter malfunction

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

The paddle wheel should turn easily when you blow on it. If it doesn't then you 
may need to clean the socket in which it turns. Bleach helps.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Currently enjoying the warm clear weather in St Andrews, New Brunswich.

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 On Aug 25, 2015, at 10:52, Gary Nylander via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 I get growth in the slot where the little wheel spins. Have done a lot of 
 'fixes' to make it work, and it is still spotty. I even bought a new wheel... 
 no help. (Nexus)
  
 Gary
 30-1
 Weedy mid-Chesapeake
 - Original Message -
 From: Monty Schumpert via CnC-List
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Monty Schumpert
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:45 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List knotmeter malfunction
 
 Joe,
 I had the same symptoms with my knotmeter last week. The boat had been unused 
 for several weeks with the bung installed. I installed the transducer(s) 
 before leaving the dock and the knotmeter read zero until we had covered 
 about 5 miles when it started reading correctly. I assumed there was a 
 build-up of growth in front of the paddlewheel, and it performed fine for the 
 rest of the trip.
 
 Monty
 Scandia
 1991 CC 34+
 Annapolos, MD
 
 On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 Coquina just got hauled this morning. Now I can go over and see why my 
 knotmeter reads 0 underway, but if I pull the impellor out and spin it the 
 readings are good. Any ideas why the paddlewheel spins freely in my hand but 
 not in the water???
 
 BTW – the diver that cleaned my bottom said now I had 3 different colors of 
 paint showing maybe it was time for more LOL. The last time I painted I did 
 one blue layer and one red layer over black original. It seems to have 
 ablated itself right off the boat.
 
  
 
 Joe Della Barba
 
 Coquina
 
 CC 35 MK I
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Off topic-Newport boat show 2015

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Personally,  I soul be closer to town. Npt. HaS lotsa more to offers than just 
the show.

Andy

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 On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:03, John Russo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 There  is a parking lot for  the show and shuttle from the parking lot in 
 Newport at the beach just past the  show. If I remember correctly it is $15 
 for the day including shuttle.
 
 John
 Arpeggio 32
 Norwalk. CT 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Indigo via 
 CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 8:58 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Indigo
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Off topic-Newport boat show 2015
 
 I have stayed several times at the Best Western in West Greenwich but only in 
 May.  The drive from there isn't bad over the Jamestown bridges - from memory 
 +/- 35 minutes - but don't hold me to that
 
 I presume there are parking lots for the boat show with shuttle buses. 
 
 --
 Jonathan
 Indigo CC 35III
 SOUTHPORT CT
 
 On Aug 19, 2015, at 21:47, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Hi all, I'm throwing a line here and I'm looking for local knowledge of the 
 Newport area.
 
 Me and my girlfriend are looking to go at the Newport boat show and are 
 looking for accommodation. We are open to camping (tent) but is it a good 
 idea? We found the Melville pounds campground in Porthsmouth. Will the drive 
 be like really bad? Any comments please.
 
 airbnb has some closer options but nothing under 150$ a night for a room in 
 an apartment closer to the show... Higher price but maybe it's the way to go 
 to enjoy our stay?
 
 Thanks for your help local cncciers
 
 Bruno Lachance
 87 cc 33 mkII
 Bécassine
 new Richmond, Qc
 
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Re: Stus-List Heaving-to - sail ratios for higher winds

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Fred's right. Larry Pardey describes it as a slick that helps mitigate the
waves breaking over the boat. His Storm Tactics is an excellent read.
Bear in mind that heaving to isn't just for storms or reefing. if we want
to have a nice sit down dinner, even in light airs, we will heave to. And
remind me to tell you how I learned to heave to on my dad's CC 27 and the
red-haired girl who provided the incentive...

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Paul — from Sail Online:

 When a sailboat is set in a heave to position, she slows down
 considerably and keeps moving forward at about 1 to 2 kts, but with a
 significant amount of drift. The drift creates some turbulence on the
 water, and that disturbance decreases significantly the sea aggressiveness.


 This was always my understanding, and has been my experience on my 30mkI
 and my LF38.

 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

 On Aug 14, 2015, at 7:52 AM, PME via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 As I understand it, if your trying to heave to and your moving forward
 then your either in a current or actually forereaching.



 -
 Paul E.
 1981 CC 38 Landfall
 S/V Johanna Rose
 Carrabelle, FL



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Re: Stus-List Looking at a CC 40-2 AC (Aft Cabin)

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Sitting on mine on my way to Maine. Just had a delightful sail under spinnaker 
all the way up Buzzards Bay. I was asked to write an article for sail magazine 
on my ideal cruising boat; I ended up describing the CC 40 almost to a tee. 
(Before I bought this one.)
The short answer is, I love the boat and so does my wife!

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


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 On Aug 14, 2015, at 23:18, Don Marlin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Was looking to see if anyone in the list had any experience (good or
 bad) with this particular boat model.
 
 The engine access looks like it is a bit of a challenge. Similar to LF38.
 The stairs into the cabin are fairly steep and it is a long way down.
 
 Anyhow, any feedback is appreciated.
 
 -- 
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Re: Stus-List Heaving-to - sail ratios for higher winds

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Really, when you're hove to, you're pointing about 60 degrees off the wind and 
your COG is about 90 degrees to the breeze. How hard you have the main sheeted 
controls your angle to the breeze. I will roll most of the jib in big 
breeze...leaving as little as 10 or 20% out. 
Coming home to New England in the spring, it is often difficult to get more 
than a three-day window for a four-day trip, so I will leave Bermuda about a 
day before a front is due and sail north until the breeze shifts and the waves 
get too big, at which point I will heave to and wait for the wind to shift; 
usually about twelve hours.

http://www.cruisingworld.com/how/smart-times-heaving

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Aug 13, 2015, at 22:11, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yeah, so i guess the boat may be moving forward sorta.  Assuming you get the 
 boat stopped,  then it will crab sideways.  Since the crash back was 
 started on the other tack the crabbing action often times brings the boat 
 closer to the victim.
 
 Josh
 
 On Aug 13, 2015 9:25 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote:
 The boat is moving forward while hove-to  I'll have to think on that one 
 for a while.  There is a man-overboard maneuver that I call a crash back.  
 You basically turn up into the wind but don't release the headsail sheets.  
 Once the bow is through the wind turn the wheel back all the way and lock 
 it.  You are in effect now hove-to.  Now you can throw a float and focus on 
 the MOB.  The nice thing about this maneuver is that the boat will stop and 
 then drift backwards towards(ish) the victim.
 
 I don't do it often so I'll have to double check.
 
 Josh
 
 On Aug 13, 2015 9:12 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 Patrick,
 
 On Pegathy, also an LF38, I have never reefed the main. I have two reef 
 points, but I take it down, or just don't put it up. The boat sails very 
 well under jib alone, and I reef the roller furling jib in very high winds 
 - sailed from Martha's Vineyard to Natucket very comfortably in 40 knots 
 with jib alone reefed to 110%. That includes a very close reach into the 
 inlet. I have hove to in Pegathy with a full genoa, but not in high winds.
 
 My understanding is that when hove to, the boat should be going forward. 
 This makes sense, since if you're moving aft with the rudder to windward, 
 the boat will fall off, as you described. You must be going forward for the 
 rudder to have the desired effect. If you had the main too tight, you may 
 indeed have been moving aft. When hove to, the main needs to produce enough 
 drive to overcome the windage of the jib and still move the boat forward. 
 That also means there must be enough angle of attack for the keel to 
 produce lift. At least, that's how I understand it. I suggest the Lin's 
 book; Storm Tactics is the name, I think. Pretty thorough discussion of 
 heaving to and other ways to stay below safely in storms.
 
 BTW, I made my own slide gate out of 1/8 in. aluminum bar to make it easier 
 to get the main into the stack pack.
 
 Dan Sheer,  
 
 Pegathy, LF38. Rock Creek off the Patapsco.
 
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar engine mounts replacement

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

One thing that was important when I replaced mine was to try your best to
match the settings on the current mounts. That gives you a decent place to
start from in aligning to the prop shaft.

Andy
Peregrine
CC 40

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:43 AM, S Thomas via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 The advantage to using a small scissor jack is that you can make small
 adjustments that will hold position while aligning the engine with the
 propeller shaft. I used one when changing the mounts on my engine and found
 it to be useful for that reason.

 Steve Thomas
 CC27 MKIII
 Port Stanley, ON

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 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 jda...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2015 06:00
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Yanmar engine mounts replacement

 Patrick:

 The yard replaced all four of my mounts when my fuel tank was replaced
 over a winter.  If I recall correctly, they replaced one at a time and
 didn't need a jack.  The two aft mounts were the toughest.

 Bob

 Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

 On Aug 11, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Anyone have tips for replacing engine mounts on a Yanmar 3HM? In terms of
 the logistics, like how to prop up the engine, get the old mounts out, etc.

 I have the transmission out now for a rebuild (fwd clutch failed) so it's
 the perfect time to replace mounts. I'm just going to do the forward two
 (back end of v-drive engine) because those are the two the mechanical
 inspection (purchase survey at the start of this year) said were
 delaminating. Plus Gallery Marine in Seattle has two in stock, not four. If
 this goes easily maybe I'll consider replacing the aft two.

 I'm going to go with the OEM mounts instead of PYI since several online
 reviews said Yanmar OEMs were significantly better (and they look it too -
 a lot more rubber for vibration dampening). The engine vibrates a fair
 amount now, and a slight misalignment might be what caused the transmission
 premature wear.


 Copying a mail from Martin below in 2013 on the list. Martin, I'd be
 interested in hearing more if you still recall the work you did (even
 though your engine is a Perkins, so the mounts are different). What did you
 mean by the existing engine mount bolts didn't meet your standards? I'm
 ignorant of what the issue with lag and stripped threaded bolts is. I'm
 expecting the existing mounts may be hard to get out because the bolts/nuts
 look a bit rusted on.

 I saw your suggestion of a scissor jack, but I'm not sure where I would
 place that? The engine doesn't have super good flat surfaces between it and
 the hull. And the plates the mounts attach to look too small to fit a jack
 in. I've read that the mount nuts can just be used to raise the engine
 until its raised enough to slip the mounts out (block it with scrap wood at
 that point). Is that actually the best way? I have some pictures I could
 upload.

 Thanks! Hoping to do this project in the next two weeks, which is how long
 it will take Harbor Marine to get to the transmission. I thought boats knew
 not to break in the summer months, but I guess not!

 -Patrick
 S/V Violet Hour, LF38
 Seattle, WA, now in Elliott Bay marina

 
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 *Wed May 22 13:38:22 EDT 2013*

 I replaced all 4 of Calypso's engine mounts (Perkins 4-108) a while back.  I 
 used the RD Engine Mounts offered by PYI, Inc.  As none of the existing 
 engine mount bolts met my standards ( a combo of lag and stripped threaded 
 bolts) the job became slightly more complex than imagined at the start.

 In 1970 Bruckmann's was laminating a steel plate on top of a wood base to 
 build up the engine support frames.  Once I understood what was under all the 
 fiberglass and paint I decided to drill and tap new bolt holes, using the 
 older ones if possible.

 The results when finished were worth the effort.  I did re-align the 
 engine/reduction gear to the prop shaft.  The engine vibration transmitted 
 through the hull was significantly reduced with the added benefit of being 
 confident that the engine would stay put if the boat broached or was knocked 
 down in a heavy sea.

 One of the least expensive tools to purchase that may help is a small scissor 
 jack to be used in holding the engine in place while changing the mounts. Let 
 me know if you want more info on how I approached the process, but there is 
 much already written about the topic available.

 Martin
 Calypso
 1970 CC 43
 Seattle

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Re: Stus-List filters (now: Sailing adventures and repairs)

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

.  As it turn out there was debris in the fuel tank including an 
 old fuel gauge sender and some rubber gasket material that would get sucked 
 up and block the fuel intake.
  
 Years later I was helping a friend deliver his very nice fast cruising boat 
 from Seattle to San Francisco.  As we were rounding Cape Flattery in calm 
 weather the owner wanted to take the short cut inside Tatoosh Island. (If I 
 was a delivery skipper on someone else’s boat I would have gone around 
 Tatoosh on the outside.)  Naturally the filter plugged up and stalled the 
 engine in the middle of the narrow passage.  The current was not helping the 
 boat clear all the rocky areas.  There was some amount of “hurry up” 
 involved in returning the engine to full power.  I was to learn a little 
 later that the owner knew there was a lot of crud in the fuel (left over 
 from a So Pac cruise) and was planning on cleaning it out in San Francisco.  
 He did a lot of spare filters onboard and was fast at changing the filters.  
 He did have two Racors but they were not on a single manifold that would 
 allow continued fuel flow when switching filters.  We made it to San 
 Francisco in 4 days but he changed a lot of filters on calm days.
  
 Martin DeYoung
 Calypso
 1971 CC 43
 Seattle
 
 image001.png
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
 via CnC-List
 Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 3:19 PM
 To: CnClist
 Cc: Dennis C.
 Subject: Re: Stus-List filters
  
 You may not be offshore, you may be in a tight spot where you really need it.
 
 Dennis C.
  
 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 Why do you need to keep the engine running offshore while you change the 
 filter?
 
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
  
 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
  
 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 If I was preparing for a long offshore voyage I would install a dual fuel 
 filter manifold with a vacuum gauge.
  
 If you price Racor's dual filter system, you'll faint.  However, you needn't 
 install one of those or even a second filter identical to whatever you 
 currently have.  You need only install a small inexpensive filter to keep 
 the engine running while you change the element in your main primary filter 
 and then switch back. 
 
 Dennis C.
  
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Re: Stus-List filters (now: Sailing adventures and repairs)

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

It was a wonderful boat, Joel, and we had a good trip to Italy on her.
After that, we were very careful not to run any tanks dry!

Andy

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Andy,

 I knew there was a reason to not buy that Swan!  That and a $1,000,000 or
 so!

 Joel

 On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I'd be interested in all of that, including the stories...

 you may as well ditto that for all of us!  here's my
 email...bushma...@aol.com


 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4...


 Richard N. Bush
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
 502-584-7255


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 To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2015 6:58 am
 Subject: Re: Stus-List filters (now: Sailing adventures and repairs)

 I'd be interested in all of that, including the stories.
 a.burton.sai...@gmail.com
 I am having a bow roller made up for Peregrine. To a large extent, thanks
 to advice I've received here, I think I have a pretty good design. I'll
 post pics of the whole windlass installation process sooner or later.
 Remind me to tell you about disassembling the galley on a Swan 651 so we
 could access the lift pump in order to bleed the engine as we approached St
 Martin one rough, windy morning at 3 o'clock.

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine


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 61 W Narragansett
 Newport, RI
 USA02840

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 +401 965-5260

 On Aug 5, 2015, at 01:21, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 ...write a book about your sailing ...

 I might be able to pull off a short story or two but I'm not sure I have
 the chops to write a book worth reading.  I am writing down some of the
 details and boat/crew names when a story comes to mind so I do not forget
 as time passes.  I have digitized most of the movies and video made during
 the Transpacs so when the original deteriorate I have back ups.

 Most of it seems to involve “incidents and perilous situations.

 The stories of smooth sailing and good times with friends seem less
 interesting for the cnc-list forum but better for a rendezvous or
 hanging out at the yacht club.  I do try to tie my story to the topic with
 a fair allowance to set and drift.

 I will work on posting some pictures of our work on Calypso.  I may have
 to set up a photo account on a web based service as I have not been able to
 make the cnc web site photo album work for a while.

 If you would like the pics of Calypso's bow roller sooner than later
 send me you preferred email address and I will email them over.

 Regarding non-skid removal, I have been experimenting with using a wire
 brush on a drill motor to soften up Calypso's painted on non-skid.  We will
 be using Kiwi-Grip over new paint.

 Martin
 Calypso
 1971 CC 43
 Seattle


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 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 5:11 PM
 *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* Dave Godwin
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List filters (now: Sailing adventures and repairs)

 Martin,

 You need to write a book about your sailing career. Most of it seems to
 involve “incidents and perilous situations. Nonetheless, all great
 stories!

 On a more serious note, have you considered posting pictures of the Great
 Deck Repair (Rebuild?) for others to view? Being face-down sanding all the
 non-skid off my decks at the moment I’d be interested in what’s going on
 with your project. I’m also interested in your windlass/chain
 locker/bow-roller setup as I go forward. Don’t think the stock cast
 aluminum will work.

 And that camo non-skid that Dennis linked to sure looks the ticket...

 Cheers,
 Dave Godwin
 1982 CC 37 - Ronin
 Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
 Ronin’s http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ Overdue Refit
 http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/

 On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:28 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC -List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com  wrote:

  Why do you need to keep the engine running offshore while you change
 the filter?
  You may not be offshore, you may be in a tight spot where you really
 need it.
 My reference to prepping for a long offshore voyage had more to do with
 being far away from a source of additional filters and other fuel related
 services.  The utility of having two filters and a manifold that can switch
 between them without stopping the engine goes more to the Murphy’s Law odds
 that a single filter will block up at the worst possible time.
 My worst inshore was departing the Ballard Locks, west bound (towards
 salt water) in the new to us 1980 CC 36. The current running out of the
 locks was pushing us towards the lowered rail road draw bridge with a
 clearance lower than our “air draft”.  As I

Re: Stus-List filters

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I think that's the ticket, Bill; use the stuff from new to prevent
problems.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 With my old tank, before I started using Biobor my diesel was always dark
 and dirty looking.

 Starting out with a new tank in 2005, and using this, it is always clean
 and red, and no clogged filters.

 I am a fan.



 Regards,



 Bill Coleman

 CC 39 Erie, Pa



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 *Subject:* Stus-List filters



 I have changed my Racor and Yanmar filters twice in 10 sailing seasons and
 have never cleaned my fuel tank.  When the old filters were removed, they
 looked perfectly fine.

 Last Wednesday evening, a fellow club mate with a Tartan 34 and I were
 motoring side by side back to our moorings when his engine suddenly
 stopped.  I towed him to his mooring.  The next day, he changed his fuel
 filters and all was well again.  He had his fuel tank cleaned about 6 years
 ago and he changes his filters every year before launch which he did again
 this Spring.

 Should have been my engine that suddenly stopped and not his..go
 figure!

 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC32- 84
 Halifax, N.S.



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 Last year after we changed both fuel filters and then cleaned out the tank
 on the 29-2. On the weekend it appears that the filters need to be changed
 again. Is this normal? We have been putting in the usual additives. What is
 working with your fuel systems?




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Re: Stus-List filters

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Why do you need to keep the engine running offshore while you change the
filter?

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:


 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 If I was preparing for a long offshore voyage I would install a dual fuel
 filter manifold with a vacuum gauge.


 If you price Racor's dual filter system, you'll faint.  However, you
 needn't install one of those or even a second filter identical to whatever
 you currently have.  You need only install a small inexpensive filter to
 keep the engine running while you change the element in your main primary
 filter and then switch back.

 Dennis C.

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Re: Stus-List filters

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Often the additives will clean the gunk off the sides of the tank. For that 
reason I never use any diesel additives.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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Newport, RI 
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 Last year after we changed both fuel filters and then cleaned out the tank on 
 the 29-2. On the weekend it appears that the filters need to be changed 
 again. Is this normal? We have been putting in the usual additives. What is 
 working with your fuel systems?
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Re: Stus-List Windlass info

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happy to share!


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wrote:

 Andy,

 Love to see the pattern for the roller mount.   Might even steal it if
 you look the other way...

 David F. Risch
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)


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 Nope, just the gypsy. I like the low profile on the deck. the gypsy will
 handle both rope and chain.

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine

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 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Thanks, I take it that you have the drum version?

 Richard

 Richard N. Bush Law Offices
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
 502-584-7255


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 Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2015 11:06 am
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Windlass info

 Here you go:

 https://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8338lid=25807


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Re: Stus-List Windlass info

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Haven't made it that far yet. Right now I just have a couple of holes in my
foredeck. I will probably just use a tupperware box sealed on around it for
now and then build something decent out of aluminum that I can screw in
place and bed with butyl tape.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Me too! : also, what did you do below decks for the motor housing?  Thanks!

 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

 Richard N. Bush
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 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
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 happy to share!


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:29 AM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  wrote:

 Andy,

 Love to see the pattern for the roller mount.   Might even steal it if
 you look the other way...

 David F. Risch
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)


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Re: Stus-List Securing seat locker

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It's a Lewmar V-2 and I am mounting it on deck, just aft of the anchor
locker hatch, where there is just enough room. I did have to cut away my
staysail track for two screws. I am mounting it on deck rather than in the
locker as I want to be able to use it manually should I lose power. I will
be running a rode of 80' of 5/16 chain and 150' of 9/16 nylon 3-strand. The
biggest hassle is mounting the roller on the bow. I am buying a stock
roller and having a stainless plate in the shape of the stemnhead fitting
welded to the bottom; that will be tapped into the stemhead.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Andy, what type/brand etc. of windlass are you going with? also can you
 tell us about the mounting location? Thanks


 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 At pool Stage finally...


 Richard N. Bush
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
 502-584-7255


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 Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2015 10:20 am
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Securing seat locker

 I ask this as I am about to mount my windlass switch and breaker in there,
 next to my batteries and charger. The wrong wave could ruin my whole
 paycheck! Obviously, not a huge factor with coastal cruising, but if I head
 offshore...

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine



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Re: Stus-List baby stay on a 38Mk2

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I bet the Dyneema will do the trick easily. That's what I would do.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Has anyone replaced the baby stay on a 38 Mk2.  It is a ¼” 1/19 wire braid.

 I am asking b/c I discovered a crack at the swage on the mast end.  Crack
 is pretty good, about 1.5” longitudinal.

 I’m weighing in the following options

 1.   Send to rigger and have him swage identical replacement (likely
 no sailing this weekend)

 2.   Get sta-lock or norseman terminals and swage it myself, I have
 spare ¼” wire rope.

 3.   Use some of the Dyneema SK78 7mm line I have to make a
 babystay.  Its 7200lbs and I originally bought it for my running backstays.



 A while back I added an inner forestay with ¼” wire rope, and running
 backstays so I have support at the second spreader, but if I leave it for
 the offseason, this crack will linger in the back of my mind every time I
 head out.



 Petar Horvatic

 Sundowner

 76 CC 38MkII

 Newport, RI







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 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List winches



 Harold



 Larger diameter sheets maybe?



 Is there any relation to Andrew and Karen Higginbottom in Nova Scotia?



 Mike

 Persistence

 (currently in Cape Breton)



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 *Subject:* Stus-List winches



 Have an original equipment Barient 27 two speed self tailer winch on my
 35-3 which allows the genoa sheet to slip under load, even when there are
 three wraps on the winch. The self tailer does not hold the line in a
 predictable fashion, releasing at the most inconvenient times., Is this a
 common problem, and is there anyway of improving the grip with either a
 replacement part or modifying the existing serrations. The sheets are
 relatively new, and only one winch has this problem.

 Harold

 Celtic Spirit

 Hamilton, ON.

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Re: Stus-List Windlass info

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Here you go:

https://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8338lid=25807



On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Andy, thanks; I could not find any info on a V2; how does it differ from
 the V1 and V3?


 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 At pool Stage finally...



 Richard N. Bush
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 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
 502-584-7255


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 Cc: Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com
 Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2015 10:44 am
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Securing seat locker

 It's a Lewmar V-2 and I am mounting it on deck, just aft of the anchor
 locker hatch, where there is just enough room. I did have to cut away my
 staysail track for two screws. I am mounting it on deck rather than in the
 locker as I want to be able to use it manually should I lose power. I will
 be running a rode of 80' of 5/16 chain and 150' of 9/16 nylon 3-strand. The
 biggest hassle is mounting the roller on the bow. I am buying a stock
 roller and having a stainless plate in the shape of the stemnhead fitting
 welded to the bottom; that will be tapped into the stemhead.

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Andy, what type/brand etc. of windlass are you going with? also can you
 tell us about the mounting location? Thanks


 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 At pool Stage finally...


 Richard N. Bush
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
 502-584-7255


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Re: Stus-List Windlass info

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Nope, just the gypsy. I like the low profile on the deck. the gypsy will
handle both rope and chain.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Thanks, I take it that you have the drum version?

 Richard

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 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
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 Sent: Mon, Aug 3, 2015 11:06 am
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Windlass info

 Here you go:

 https://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8338lid=25807


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Stus-List Securing seat locker

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Like most of us, I think about taking my boat offshore one day. One of my 4AM 
quandaries is what to do about my seat locker. It has a huge hatch and nothing 
in the way of gaskets to keep water out. If a wave filled the cockpit, as has 
happened to me on many occasions in nasty weather, there is not much to keep 
water from pouring into the boat. 
I have some ideas, but I'd be curious to know how others have addressed this 
problem. David Risch?

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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Re: Stus-List Securing seat locker

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I ask this as I am about to mount my windlass switch and breaker in there,
next to my batteries and charger. The wrong wave could ruin my whole
paycheck! Obviously, not a huge factor with coastal cruising, but if I head
offshore...

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Andy,

 Same method here. (Never been pooped, just pooped on)
 Passed inspection for Bermuda - lid just had to be secure, not watertight.

 Joel

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:59 AM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 Andy,

 Due to the nature of the locker rim and lid lip design I tried and failed
 with a few gaskets.

 I just secured the hasp offshore and was prepared to live with whatever
 water got down there.

 We have been pooped before, but I don't remember if it caused an undo
 amount of water ingress through the cockpit locker.

 I was more worried about gasketing and securing the washboard.

 Love to hear others thoughts on this one too...



 David F. Risch
 1981 40
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)


  Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 08:34:20 -0400
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Stus-List Securing seat locker
  From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  CC: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com

 
  Like most of us, I think about taking my boat offshore one day. One of
 my 4AM quandaries is what to do about my seat locker. It has a huge hatch
 and nothing in the way of gaskets to keep water out. If a wave filled the
 cockpit, as has happened to me on many occasions in nasty weather, there is
 not much to keep water from pouring into the boat.
  I have some ideas, but I'd be curious to know how others have addressed
 this problem. David Risch?
 
  Andy
  CC 40
  Peregrine
 
  Andrew Burton
  61 W Narragansett
  Newport, RI
  USA 02840
 
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Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays

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Racing CC 40s back when they were new, in the late 70s/early 80s, we used 
running backstays. They were used to do two things; stop the mast overbending 
when you had a lot of permanent backstay on and to stop the mast pumping when 
beating into a lumpy sea.
These days, another use for running backstays on many cruiser/racers (like 
Swans) is to tension an inner forestay on which a staysail is set. 
As an aside, what we always refer to as check stays is a second set of runners 
attached lower on the mast, usually on race boats with less...robust...rigs 
than ours. These again are mostly used to adjust the bend in the mast as the 
permanent backstay is tightened. The runners and checks control the shape of 
the main; it's not uncommon to invert the main if you don't have enough 
tension on the runners and checks when you max out the permanent.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Jul 29, 2015, at 05:55, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dwight
 
 Yes it does.  It seems when cc started trying to make even more performance 
 oriented designs later 80s the check stays came out. The 90sboats more so. 
 Then the tim jacket boats had swept back spreaders and checks went away again.
 
 I miss my swept back spreaders. I also really miss fractional rig (when I buy 
 headsails especially)
 
 Mike
 
 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of dwight veinot via 
 CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
 Sent: July 28, 2015 5:10 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: dwight veinot
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
 
 Mike...most older CC's and especially those designed by Cuthbertson don't 
 have swepth back spreaders or running backstays and some with over 50 feet of 
 stick are single spreader...makes life with the rig very easy
 
 Dwight Veinot
 CC 35 MKII, Alianna
 Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
 d.ve...@bellaliant.netmailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net
 
 
 On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 I think these may be check stays rather than running backs.  Running back 
 stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim 
 upwind.
 
 Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were 
 looking at boat.  Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 
 knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to 
 turnbuckles at shrouds.  I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on 
 transom when wind comes up.  We also changed the lines in the blocks to 
 smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out 
 downwind rather than disconnecting.  These are not the pita we thought they 
 would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use.
 
 If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have 
 this discussion.
 
 Mike
 Persistence
 1987 Frees 33
 
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 Sent: July 28, 2015 12:21 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: scott gary
 Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays
 
 Hi All,
 
 Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has 
 them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time.  I am 
 not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising.  I've heard of people on 
 other types of boats just removing them all together.
 
 Thanks,
 Scott
 CC 35/3
 
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Re: Stus-List Best EngineYanmar 3GM + Prop?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

It sounds to me like you may be over-revving your engine. My rule of thumb
with my boat (same engine as you) and when I get on a boat I'm delivering,
is to get into open water and, in gear, push the throttle wide open. My
cruising RPM is no more than 75% of that number, which on Peregrine works
out to 2200 or so.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Nauset Beach via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 John, Mike and any others with a Yanmar 3GM30F

 What is the make, diameter and pitch of your props, and can you get to the
 one hour rated RPM of 3600?

 Back in 2010 I had an engine overheat alarm and discovered the coolant
 overflow tank was full and had an amount of oily substance mixed in.  There
 was very little coolant left in the engine.  The mechanic discovered a
 blown
 head gasket was the cause.  The head was sent to a shop to be rebuilt and
 a few other parts replaced.

 Last month [just after Edd's engine woes came to light] I had another
 overheat alarm, and again discovered the coolant tank full and the same oil
 mix.  Am assuming the head gasket is blown - again.  The mechanic has not
 looked at it yet.  Obviously, something is wrong.

 The July edition of Cruising World had a timely article about props and
 stated an over pitched prop puts additional wear on the engine and can lead
 to cavitation.  Nothing new there but started a possible theory.  I have
 not
 had dark exhaust so did not think the prop was over-pitched, but there is
 some pitting on the prop blades so maybe there is cavitation and an over
 loaded engine.  Also have excessive vibration so the clues seem to be going
 in that direction.  I rarely take the engine up to 3000 RPM though did have
 a several hour delivery at 3200 this spring.  Have never tried but do not
 think I could get up to 3600.  [Have read the Yanmar tach's are not all
 that
 accurate and have not had the RPM's verified independently.]  Still this
 seems to be another indicator the prop may be over pitched.

 I originally had a Martec folding 16 D x 14 P prop though after the lack of
 much reverse led to a near miss incident I replaced it in 2002 with a
 Flex-O-Fold with a 16 D x 13 P at the recommendation of Flex o Fold.  The
 reduction is 2.61.  Am thinking the increased surface area Flex prop is
 overloading the engine even though the pitch was decreased by 1 compared
 to
 the Martec.

 Anyone have any thoughts?

 Thanks,
 Brian

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 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt,
 Mike via CnC-List
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 Subject: Re: Stus-List Best Engine?

 We have Yanmar 3GM30F in our Ferrs 33 which is similar hull shape to
 CC33-2.  We make 6.2 at 2300 RPM and can just squeak out 7.0 at WOT

 Mike
 Persistence

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 and
 Maryann Read via CnC-List
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 HI Brian

 Our 34 has the Yanmar 3GM with Martec folding prop.  Clean bottom cruising
 is 5.5, max is about 6.  As I recall, your max speed is supposed to be
 about
 80% of theoretical hull speed with throttle wide open??  Another variable
 is
 the calibration of the knotometer and if using the GPS the impact of
 current


 John and Maryann
 Legacy III
 1982 CC 34
 Noank, CT


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 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 00:47
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  Hello,
 
  I often sail with a group of sailors that have more modern and
  somewhat larger boats than my 1979 CC34. When there is no wind and we
  are forced to motor I have difficulty keeping up. With a clean bottom
  my cruising speed is about 5-5.5 knots. I have an Atomic 4 engine. I'm
  wondering would

  a Yanmar or a Westerbeke give me 7+ knots?
 
  Brian C. Morrison



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Re: Stus-List Re : Re: List down?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

It's quiet...too quiet.

Andy
Sitting on his CC 40, Peregrine, give her some love in the form of new hoses 
and an oil change and a 6th coat of varnish.

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 On Jul 19, 2015, at 17:03, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 
 Was thinking the same that everypne was out sailng.
 
 Here, nice sail yesterday. Today went out on the kids new to them 29er. Good 
 I am old.
 
 Pierre Tremblay
 Avalanche
 CC 38-3
 De:Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date:dim., 19, juil., 2015 « à » 14:36
 Objet:Re: Stus-List List down?
 
 Heat index over 100.  Doing an evening sail. 
 Joel
 
 On Sunday, July 19, 2015, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 I think everyone (but you and I…) are out on their boats…   :^(
 
 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
 
 On Jul 19, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Nothing since Friday...is the list down or is everyone out sailing?
 
 Tom Buscaglia
 S/V Alera 
 1990 CC 37+/40
 Vashon WA
 P 206.463.9200
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Diesel issues

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It does sound like a fuel filter issue.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Jul 19, 2015, at 18:45, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 On the way to and from our racing area, my Beta-25 with only 390 hours on it 
 was running fine and then it dies.
 
 It started up right away, ran for a few minutes then died again.
 
 We sailed out of the channel for about 10 minutes, started it up again with 
 no problems and it ran for 20-30 minutes before
 I shut it down for the race.
 
 On the way back we motored around loafing at about 4 knots for 30 minutes as 
 we headed for the channel back to the slip.
 
 Halfway in it died again. I used the electric fuel pump to be sure it was 
 'primed' and it started right up and then quit again after about
 30 seconds. 
 
 By then, we were close enough to the slip to sail in--kept the main up for 
 just such an event--which we did without issues (a competent crew
 of 6 can do that!).
 
 Ran it in the slip at full throttle and it died again after about 3 minutes. 
 Started tight up, ran again at full throttle and it died again.
 
 Fuel tank is only 3 hours into a full tank (48 gallons) and the pick-up tube 
 was replaced last year to go further down into the tank so neither
 the fuel level or pick-up tube level can be issues. I also added some 
 Stan-dyne (?) when I last filled the tank earlier this year.
 
 The Neuse River was almost flat since we had only a 5 knot breeze so I doubt 
 that it was 'stirred up' crud from the tank.
 
 Haven't replaced the fuel filter between the tank and the engine or the 
 engine mounted one this season (did it last year) so that is my first chore
 since IMHO it looks like a fuel issue or an air in the fuel line issue.
 
 I also will check all the clamps that are used to seal the fuel line from the 
 tank to the engine.
 
 Does the list have any other suggestions/ideas besides what I listed?
 
 TIA,
 
 Charlie Nelson
 Water Phantom
 1995 CC 36 XL/kcb
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List head question-lubrication

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I used to use olive oil, but my feeling now is that would leave a film on
top of the liquid in the holding tank, preventing air from getting at it,
which would result on a foul odor.
Perhaps one of the dedicated head lubes would be the ticket.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Alex Giannelia via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 So, how is the Jabsco head lubricated?  Just toss Crisco in the bowl and
 flush?  Mine was out of use for a while and appears to work, but squeaks a
 bit and feels stiff.



 Thanks,




 Alex Giannelia

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Re: Stus-List CC 2015 Northeast Rendezvous -- September 11-13, 2015 -- Clinton, CT

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Edd,
We hope to attend, but if it's honking out of the west the week before, I
doubt we'll make it. If possible, I would like to let you know a week
before.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
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 Listers,

 I am proud to announce the *CC 2015 Northeast Rendezvous* in Eastern
 Long Island Sound (Clinton, CT) at the Cedar Island Marina — September
 11-13, 2015


- Private Floating Dock Just for Us!
- Pool / Rec Room / Picnic Area / Hot Tub / Ships’ Store / Laundry
Facilities / Fuel Dock / Etc. See: http://cnc2015.com/marina.png
- Meet Other CC Owners and Tour Other’s Boats**
- Spouse Shuttle to Outlet Mall
- BYO Pot Luck Dinner on First Night / Private Buffet Dinner on Second
Night at Waterfront Seafood Restaurant
- Cigar and Rum/Whiskey Tasting (hosted by Rob Gallagher)
- Close to Train, Shopping, Marine Supplies, Casino
- Great Giveaways
- Special Surprise Guest


 Information and Registration can be found at: http://cnc2015.com.
 Reservations can only be submitted through the website (we will handle your
 dock reservation, dinners, etc.)

 We are looking forward to seeing you there.


 All the best,

 Edd


 Edd M. Schillay
 Starship Enterprise
 CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
 City Island, NY
 Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/

 ** Including a good look at a new Beta 30 diesel engine installed in a CC
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Re: Stus-List intimidating Music

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We used the theme from Rocky...when it was new...during an SORC.

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 On Jul 13, 2015, at 18:12, William Walker via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 How about music to play loud a start of race to intimidate opponents and 
 those on starboard tack?
 
 
 
 Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
 
 
 
 On Monday, July 13, 2015 Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 The sound of the sea is enough for me.  Jerry. JJ. CC 27 V 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 13, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Knowles Rich via CnC-List  
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 
 
 Very tasteful…. Geesh!
 
 Rich Knowles
 Nanaimo, BC 
 INDIGO LF38 
 Boatless! 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 13, 2015, at 11:23, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avaSdC0QOUM
 
 
 
 All the best,
 
 Edd
 
 
 Edd M. Schillay
 Starship Enterprise
 CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
 City Island, NY 
 Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
 
 
 PastedGraphic-1.tiff
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List  
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 Toots  the Maytals. 
 
 There's no accounting for taste or mood. As a general rule I listen to 
 everything. In practice I primarily listen to old 60s reggae, ska, and rock n 
 roll (old and new). I have no more time or energy for 'easy listening' or 
 anything depressing (classical != easy listening). Happy music only please. 
 Bob Marley gets a lot of playtime both on and off the boat. Legend is the 
 worst Bob Marley album.
 
 There is so much good music out there how can you settle on any one thing?
 
 Steve
 Suhana, CC 32
 Toronto
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List westerbeake sucking in air on a half tank

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

You shouldn't have to do the injectors, just use the lift pump to get the air 
past the Racor and and out the top of the fuel filter on the engine and you 
should be fine. You may even be able to get away with just topping up the Racor 
after pumping for a bit. If there is a fuel shut off on top of the tank, close 
it and you may not have to do any bleeding.
By the way, I think I can see your boat from my mooring in Brenton Cove. Stop 
by if you ever have the time.

Andy
Peregrine
CC 40

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 On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:40, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Update:
 So half tank gauge reading was about half tank.  After another 5Gal jerry can 
 I was full to the top.  So two 5gal cans got me to the top.  Tank is 20 
 gallons.  I did not pull the tube yet.   
  
 Not sure if this matters, but I noticed that my return line form injection 
 pump Tees into the vent line just before it goes to the tank.  I opted to do 
 this since I didn’t have another hole in the tank.  It used to be a gasoline 
 engine tank.  And those don’t have return.  
  
 Heading to block again tonight after work.  No wind and seas are lot calmer.  
 It will be a straight 4h motorsail.
 Once I get there, fuel level in the tank will be down enough to pull the 
 pickup tube and see how low it goes.  Does anyone know if I need to bleed the 
 injectors again after disconnecting the fuel line at the tank to inspect the 
 pickup tube?  My intuition says yes. 
  
  
 Petar Horvatic
 Sundowner
 76 CC 38MkII
 Newport, RI
  
  
  
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
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 Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 11:29 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Joel Aronson
 Subject: Re: Stus-List westerbeake sucking in air on a half tank
  
 Peter,
  
 How low did the gauge read?  How much did you think you had before adding the 
 5 gallons?  What did it read after? Did you top it off and see of the numbers 
 added up?  
 I agree it sounds like a plumbing issue with the vent or pickup.  I hope your 
 access to the tank is better than mine!
  
 Joel
 35/3
 Annapolis
  
 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 So if the pickup was blocked, why on both occasions after bleeding(once in 
 calm water and second time in rough water but after adding 5 more gallons to 
 the tank) it ran without a problem for hours, 2nd time in the same rough 
 seas. 
  
 The tank was out (dried out and inspected) over the winter in 2011/2012.   So 
 was the pickup and sender at which time I don’t remember seeing any signs of 
 corrosion etc.  It might be good to mention that prior to 2012, I had atomic 
 4 (gasoline) engine.  I put westrerbeake in the spring of 2012 after a full 
 rebuild.  I kept the tank.  Hoses were all new.   My primary is the Racor 
 230R Diesel Spin-On Series filter/water separator.  I change that and 
 secondary filter every commissioning.  No signs of water whatsoever.  Also 
 fuel that comes out while bleeding is clean. 
  
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
 Fountain via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 9:18 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Paul Fountain
 Subject: Re: Stus-List westerbeake sucking in air on a half tank
  
 Or the pickup becomes blocked, and air gets sucked in elsewhere in the fuel 
 system.  
  
 Paul Fountain
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
 G Street via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, July 6, 2015 9:12 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: Frederick G Street
 Subject: Re: Stus-List westerbeake sucking in air on a half tank
  
 Petar — it might be that the fuel pickup tube is corroded, and either doesn’t 
 drop as far down into the fuel as it should/used to, or you have some pits in 
 it above the half-tank level that allow air it.  Sounds like time to pull and 
 check it.
 
 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
  
 On Jul 6, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
  
 Anyone has an idea why this happened twice in a row.  
  
 Two trips to Block island this year and at about the same spot, right where 
 seas get a little lumpy, and on about half full tank, diesel sucks in air and 
 dies.  First time was pounding into 20-kts (not a good way to travel), second 
 time with no wind but large confused seas.  
 The first time I sailed and dropped a hook before bleeding the injectors.   
 Second time I added 5 gal jerry can and after bleeding injectors in 6 foot 
 swell got her started without a problem.   Ran fine after that in same 
 conditions. 
  
 I guess I should check to make sure fuel gauge is calibrated, although I’ve 
 been using it the past 3-4 years.  
  
  
 Petar Horvatic
 Sundowner
 76 CC 38MkII
 Newport, RI
  
 
 

Re: Stus-List Main sail slides

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I have it on my boat and am very impressed.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Jun 23, 2015, at 17:09, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Petar wrote:
 Has anyone improved their mainsail track using something like this
 
 http://www.sailcare.com/sail-track-system.shtml
 
 Petar - I've heard nothing but good things about the Tides marina track, and 
 wish I'd put it on Stella Blue.  I was in the middle of a total rig rebuild, 
 though, and didn't want to spend the money. Instead, I went with this: 
 http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/fyi/slugs/slugs.htm  It works for me, but 
 I'm tall enough to reach.  They make the main stack up pretty high.
 
 Wal
 
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Re: Stus-List Pacific Sea stories / Offshore fishing tips?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

We've had good luck with a cedar plug, too.
I think it's appropriate, given the direction of this thread, to mention that 
the difference between a sea story and a fairy tale is that one starts Once 
upon a time... And the other starts, Now, this is no shit...!

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Jun 18, 2015, at 21:33, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 We used a cedar plug trailing on a heavy mono line joined to surgical tubing 
 coming back from Hawaii last year, got a nice mahi and a nice albacore within 
 minutes. A spray bottle of vodka dispatched them amazingly quickly. One shot 
 into each gill and that was that. 
 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Ecj52bdEiCo/VGP0OQZFptI/Cts/31i7niiJYkM/w1238-h820-no/DSC_9432.jpg
  
 
 Jim Watts
 Paradigm Shift
 CC 35 Mk III
 Victoria, BC
 
 On 18 June 2015 at 17:51, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 The mahi seem to favor neon-green squid lures.  I think we had a 40-lb nylon 
 hand line out with a stainless leader and the squid.
 
 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
 
 On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
  Knife?  Cut off the head, drink the vodka.
  
 On a delivery from Tonga to New Zealand we caught a 70lb yellow fin tuna.  
 The vodka trick came in handy.  That fish was particularly pissed off to 
 find itself winched up a backstay and being readied to be butchered into 
 football sized roasts.
  
 On the Tonga/NZ trip there were three avid fishermen on board with offshore 
 rods and reels.  My job was to sail the boat to keep the lines from the two 
 rods from getting under the boat (a 46’ Barnett custom).  The fishing line 
 was +-200lb test, the leader SS braid, the hook a big a** #3 treble, the 
 lures were squid like.  After several hours of landing mahi, wahoo, and 
 some sort of jack (some ½ eaten by the sharks) both rods sung out at the 
 same time.  The guys responsible for the rods were stuffing tennis shoes 
 into the reel area to help the brakes. After 20 minutes of fighting, we 
 landed the small tuna (the 70lb’r), the big one broke the line and got away.
  
 I will put together a short list of what worked for fishing from a racing 
 sailboat in the NE Pacific.  I claim no expertise but I have picked up a 
 few easy no-rod tricks that seemed to work between Hawaii and the US West 
 Coast.
  
 Martin DeYoung
 Calypso
 1971 CC 43
 Seattle
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Pacific Sea stories

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Martin, as you may have guessed, my pal describing the event was John Dennison. 
Somehow your name came up and he told the story. I thought it too good not to 
share!

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

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 On Jun 18, 2015, at 00:44, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Andrew,
 
 Which CC 39 and year?  In the late 70's there was 4 or 5 active 39s racing 
 in the PNW.  Many of the crews would hang out together after racing and tell 
 sea stories.  The names Blackwatch and Mistress come to mind.  The 
 Midnight Special set a Vic Maui record for boats under 40' in either 74 or 
 76 under its original ownership, Steve Crary IIRC.
 
 I did a similar thing sailing a CC 39 (the Midnight Special under its 2nd 
 owner) sailing back to Seattle from a Transpac 77.  I dove over for a 
 baseball sized glass float.  I took the crew a few moments to drop the 
 spinnaker and turn around.  I could not see the boat for about 10 minutes but 
 I was young and a good swimmer.  We were +- 1,000 miles from dry land.
 
 I have 9 glass floats picked up while delivering boats back from Hawaii.  
 That baseball sized one is the smallest, the largest is the size of a small 
 beach ball.  My wife has them nicely displayed in our home.
 
 The bigger floats always had a beard of sea life hanging below the water's 
 surface.  The big float still had its netting attached which allowed extra 
 sea life to attach.  When I extended out from the deck to grab the float it 
 almost pulled me off the boat.  Another crew grabbed my legs allowing me to 
 hold onto the float until the boat slowed more.  I cut off the netting and 
 returned it to the sea.
 
 Martin
 Calypso
 1971 CC 43
 Seattle
 
 
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 Subject: Stus-List Pacific Sea stories
 
 So I just had dinner with an old mate of mine and he had a great story about 
 sailing a CC 39 back to Seattle from Maui a few decades ago. Japanese 
 fishermen used to have these beautiful blown glass fishing floats that would 
 occasionally get away and were highly valued by sailors.
 
 They were reaching along with the kite up when my friend, who was driving, 
 and his watch mate saw one the size of a basketball. The watch mate tried to 
 grab it but missed. So he called man overboard! and jumped in after it. My 
 friend stopped the boat by going head to wind as the rest of the guys ran on 
 deck. They retrieved the glass ball and then their errant crewman.
 
 Apparently the owner was quite impressed! :)
 
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
 
 Andrew Burton
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Stus-List Pacific Sea stories

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So I just had dinner with an old mate of mine and he had a great story about 
sailing a CC 39 back to Seattle from Maui a few decades ago. Japanese 
fishermen used to have these beautiful blown glass fishing floats that would 
occasionally get away and were highly valued by sailors.

They were reaching along with the kite up when my friend, who was driving, and 
his watch mate saw one the size of a basketball. The watch mate tried to grab 
it but missed. So he called man overboard! and jumped in after it. My friend 
stopped the boat by going head to wind as the rest of the guys ran on deck. 
They retrieved the glass ball and then their errant crewman. 

Apparently the owner was quite impressed! :)

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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Newport, RI 
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Re: Stus-List Emergency Tiller Bracket Squeaking

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Yes, the lower tube. Not only got rid of the squeak for me ,  but freed up the 
steering so driving became a real pleasure.

Andy

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 On Jun 15, 2015, at 14:01, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Andy,
 
 Thanks for the reply.  Are you talking about the lower tube where the post 
 goes into the glass tube and ultimately out the bottom, or the top of the 
 tube where it meets the cockpit floor?.  I put quite a bit of grease in the 
 lower fitting last year in a futile attempt to get rid of the squeak.  The 
 only thing that seems to help is getting some lube on the emergency tiller 
 bracket in my case.
 
 Jim
 
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 Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎June‎ ‎15‎, ‎2015 ‎12‎:‎44‎ ‎PM
 To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
 Cc: Andrew Burton
 
 My 40 and the 41 I'm delivering south from St John, NB at the moment both 
 have grease fitting on the tube. These are packed with grease and you give 
 them a turn every now and then to lube the tube. Mine hadn't been done for 
 quite some time so it needed to be repacked twice before I was confident 
 there was enough grease in there. That eliminated the squeak for me.
 
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine
 
 Andrew Burton
 61 W Narragansett
 Newport, RI 
 USA02840
 
 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
 +401 965-5260
 
 On Jun 15, 2015, at 13:20, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Jim,  I do have a cover at my emergency tiller stock, but it doesn't keep the 
 water out. I have not experienced the squeak at the stock so can't offer 
 advice there. Is it possible to use something a bit heavier than McLube, but 
 lighter than standard grease. Triflow or similar?
 
 Kevin 
 30-2 Osprey
 
 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:21 PM Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 Hello All,
  
 I have a persistent squeak when I turn the wheel on my 30-2.  I have traced 
 it to the emergency tiller bracket in the back of the cockpit.I can 
 spray McLube in there and it will go away for a short time, but always comes 
 back, especially after a rain.   Was there originally a cover on the 
 bracket, BTW?
  
 I don’t see a grease fitting like the lower part of the shaft has, or 
 another way to get a better lubricant in there. 
  
 Anyone had this issue before?  I am reluctant to remove the bracket for fear 
 of causing larger issues with the steering system, so reassurance there 
 would also be helpful.
  
 Thanks,
  
 Jim Reinardy
 CC 30-2 “Firewater”
 Milwaukee, WI
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Re: Stus-List Emergency Tiller Bracket Squeaking

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My 40 and the 41 I'm delivering south from St John, NB at the moment both have 
grease fitting on the tube. These are packed with grease and you give them a 
turn every now and then to lube the tube. Mine hadn't been done for quite some 
time so it needed to be repacked twice before I was confident there was enough 
grease in there. That eliminated the squeak for me.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

 On Jun 15, 2015, at 13:20, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Jim,  I do have a cover at my emergency tiller stock, but it doesn't keep the 
 water out. I have not experienced the squeak at the stock so can't offer 
 advice there. Is it possible to use something a bit heavier than McLube, but 
 lighter than standard grease. Triflow or similar?
 
 Kevin 
 30-2 Osprey
 
 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:21 PM Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 Hello All,
 
  
 
 I have a persistent squeak when I turn the wheel on my 30-2.  I have traced 
 it to the emergency tiller bracket in the back of the cockpit.I can 
 spray McLube in there and it will go away for a short time, but always comes 
 back, especially after a rain.   Was there originally a cover on the 
 bracket, BTW?
 
  
 
 I don’t see a grease fitting like the lower part of the shaft has, or 
 another way to get a better lubricant in there. 
 
  
 
 Anyone had this issue before?  I am reluctant to remove the bracket for fear 
 of causing larger issues with the steering system, so reassurance there 
 would also be helpful.
 
  
 
 Thanks,
 
  
 
 Jim Reinardy
 
 CC 30-2 “Firewater”
 
 Milwaukee, WI
 
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Re: Stus-List sail question

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I find my #3, about 110%, drives my 40 just fine for cruising and it's easy to 
tack and trim. I have an asymmetric in a sock for light airs off the wind. The 
sock makes the kite very easy to use by myself. 

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

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 On Jun 4, 2015, at 08:15, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Joe:  I use a 135% on my LF38 and I think a 130 or 135 is perfect for the bay.
 
 By the way, I think I saw your boat on a mooring buoy in Annapolis on 
 Memorial Day weekend--do you have a dark blue hull?
 
 Bob
 
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 blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
 
 There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
 messing about in boats.  --Kenneth Grahame
 
 On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 My furling jib is utterly beat. I think a bedsheet would have more shape.
 So what size say you all for a replacement? I am thinking going a little 
 small, say 130%, and flying the chute asym style for light air off the wind.
  
 Joe Della Barba
 j...@dellabarba.com
  
 Coquina
 CC 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Annapolis to Newport Race

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Looking forward to seeing you at Ida Lewis YC.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Good luck Joel - it looks like you'll have a nice breeze to head down the
 Chesapeake - we may be kedging...  It also looks upwind and blowy to
 Newport - stay safe; we'll see you at the NYYC!

 Tim

 On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Chuck

 Thanks!

 Also tim is on Migration. We start Thursday. He starts Friday. Best
 wishes to him too.

 Tracking at http://yb.tl/a2n2015.

 Looking forward to seeing the Castle Hill light house in Newport!

 Joel


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 Hey Joel,
 Good luck in the upcoming Annapolis to Newport Race.
 Is there anyway to track the boats racing?

 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 CC 34R
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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

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Here's how I do it even for just a coastal sail:
http://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 wrote:

   David,
 I would simply run the sheet through the pole end, the angle should keep
 the pole pushed against the clew. Another option would be to tie the sheet
 to the clew with a bowline and hook the pole into the eye of the bowline.
 James
 “Delaney”
 CC 38 mk2
 Oriental, nc

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 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:16 AM
 *To:* CnC CnC discussion list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

 Speaking of whisker poles, I now have one (Thanks- Chuck!!).  One thing I
 have found is that with the genoa sheets attached, it is hard to find space
 to attach the pole end to the clew ring.  I am thinking of adding a small
 loop of lineto the ring to use for attaching the pole, but am worried about
 it catching on things.  Any suggestions?  Thanks- Dave


 On May 26, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

   Very clever Francois.  I'm copying the 34/36 group.

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 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc: *Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:49:44 PM
 *Subject: *Stus-List Pictures of my DIY whisker pole mounts

 Hi, A while back I mentioned I that I made some DIY mounts for my new
 whisker pole, you can check them out on Flickr here:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/

 The links for the parts used are on the photo descriptions.


 Regards,

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

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Using the topping lift makes the pole much easier to handle; it's like
having another set of hands. The topping lift makes the whole process much
easier from start to finish. I'm not sure it's clear in the article, but
the pole is attached to the sheet.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 10:01 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Hi Andy- I see that you are using a topping lift, and that would solve the
 problem. So far, I have not used one.   I am guessing that you need to
 either attach to the clew, or use a topping lift and attach to the sheet?
 Topping lift means one more thing to mess with when setting up the pole.  I
 have not tried attaching the topping lift and haven’t even looked at how
 that would be done with the Forespar whisker pole.  I will play with that
 this weekend.  Dave


 On May 28, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Here's how I do it even for just a coastal sail:
 http://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine

 On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:42 PM, jtsails via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

   David,
 I would simply run the sheet through the pole end, the angle should keep
 the pole pushed against the clew. Another option would be to tie the sheet
 to the clew with a bowline and hook the pole into the eye of the bowline.
 James
 “Delaney”
 CC 38 mk2
 Oriental, nc

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 *Sent:* Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:16 AM
 *To:* CnC CnC discussion list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc:* David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com
 *Subject:* Stus-List Whisker pole attachment to genoa

 Speaking of whisker poles, I now have one (Thanks- Chuck!!).  One thing I
 have found is that with the genoa sheets attached, it is hard to find space
 to attach the pole end to the clew ring.  I am thinking of adding a small
 loop of lineto the ring to use for attaching the pole, but am worried about
 it catching on things.  Any suggestions?  Thanks- Dave


 On May 26, 2015, at 9:40 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

   Very clever Francois.  I'm copying the 34/36 group.

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 *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Cc: *Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:49:44 PM
 *Subject: *Stus-List Pictures of my DIY whisker pole mounts

 Hi, A while back I mentioned I that I made some DIY mounts for my new
 whisker pole, you can check them out on Flickr here:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/

 The links for the parts used are on the photo descriptions.


 Regards,

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, GA

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Re: Stus-List Engine panel cover...

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Then check out the film; its sometimes called a clear bra for cars and I
believe it's available in sheets.

andy

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wrote:

 Andy,

 Thanks and that's good, but I fear spraying it on may goop up the warning
 buzzer and cause it to be somewhat silenced.

 Thanks Andy.  Will let you know.  Much replacing of gear and less
 innovative stuff this year.



 David F. Risch
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)


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 This looks promising.
 http://3mauto.com/products/paint-defender
 or they make a clear plastic film for the same purpose.
 I may try it on my new car.
 Good luck in the Marion to Bermuda Race! I'll be watching your progress
 and waiting to talk with you about what worked and what didn't on Corsair.

 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:32 AM, David via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I have tried to engineer a cover for my engine panel that will provide
 better (any)  protection from the elements, cockpit filling etc..  No
 way.   Too many compound curves.

 Anybody know of a translucent adhesive based plastic sheeting that could
 adhere to the panel (snugly) and give it some protection while allowing
 visual access to the instruments?   Sort of a tougher version of the sticky
 saran wrap we use at home.

 Thanks in advance.

 David F. Risch
 1981 40-2
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)

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Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich

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Great time to be in the market for a boat. I've never not regretted selling 
one. Some of the worst days of my life!
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

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 On May 23, 2015, at 09:30, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi rich, congrats on the sale.  Kinda weird being boatless isn't it?
 
 I'm feeling less responsibly, especially now at launch time.  Also a feeling 
 of something missing...  we just got back from a BVI charter and the bug is 
 strong right now.  We may go look at some boats this weekend.  There sure are 
 a lot out there.
 
 
 From my Android phone 
 
 
  Original message 
 From: Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Date: 05/23/2015 1:30 AM (GMT-05:00) 
 To: cnc-list Cnc-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Cc: Knowles Rich r...@sailpower.ca 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Best wishes to Rich 
 
 
 Thanks, Russ!
 
 Yep, it’s all over. Money in the bank and some already spent. Not sure what’s 
 next. We’ll see. Meantime, I’m hanging out here unless I’m kicked off.
 
 Cheers
 
 Rich
 
 Rich Knowles
 Nanaimo, BC
 INDIGO LF38
 Boatless!
 
 
 
 On May 22, 2015, at 22:24, Russ  Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Rich,
 
 Best wishes on the second or third happiest day of your life. (Wedding days 
 are currently under discussion at the institute.)
 
 Can we assume the sale is final?
 
 Cheers, Russ
 Sweet 35 mk-1
 
 
 At 10:05 PM 22/05/2015, you wrote:
 Pretty much every marine engine has a connector or two in the engine/panel 
 wiring harness. They are there to make installation convenient at the 
 factory, but, after a few years, can cause a lot of problems as corrosion 
 and wear set in. I’ve seen electrical problems on every size of boat 
 regardless of make or engine type that bypassing these connectors has 
 frequently cured. I suggest cutting out the connectors and splicing the 
 individual wires together using top quality heat shrink crimp butt 
 connectors. In the event that the engine has to be serviced, removed, or 
 replaced, the wires can be severed and rejoined as needed.
 
 I’m not sure that this is the root of your problems but it’s a good 
 place to start.
 
 Rich Knowles
 Nanaimo, BC
 Boatless.
 
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Re: Stus-List Scum Drag

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Cleaning the speedo impeller has often improved my boatspeed. :)
Andy

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 A knot and a half seems extreme, but I'm guessing it's your instruments. I
 usually pick up less than half a knot in reality, once I have recalibrated
 the knotmeter*. *There seems to be a lot of speed trickery going on with
 slime and other stuff down below, so throughout the season I keep
 recalibrating the knotmeter to reflect reality (as seen by my GPS in slack
 water).  Once I have a clean bottom again, I reset the knotmeter to the
 base value.

 Jim Watts
 Paradigm Shift
 CC 35 Mk III
 Victoria, BC

 On 21 May 2015 at 08:53, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 Doesn't sound atypical.  Other powerboaters and sailboaters alike have
 stories far more extreme than that.

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 CC 37+
 Solomons, MD
 On May 21, 2015 11:45 AM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 OK.  I get that our boats are faster with clean bottoms.  But I just had
 Alera hauled and pressure washed and the speed jumped back good knit and a
 half.

 I got to wondering if this is typical.  Well, is it?

 Tom Buscaglia
 S/V Alera
 1990 CC 37+/40
 Vashon WA

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Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

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I would say a raft is an option if you have the dinghy. I would have an EPIRB. 
In that area rescue is going to be pretty quick if you need it. I would also 
have a waterproof handheld VHF handy so you can direct the search.
The best safety equipment you can get is the patience to await a good forecast. 
The worst thing is to have ANY kind of schedule.
Personally, I almost always got up the beach along the NJ coast, through NYC 
and then down Long Island sound. It's a nice ride, gives you lots of options if 
the weather goes sour, avoids drunk fishermen at night in the shipping lanes, 
and is only a few hours more distance.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Mar 12, 2015, at 15:53, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dan,
 
 The inflatable is not safety equipment.  If you are going to wait for good 
 weather, I don't think must have a raft, but it is personal preference.  Vane 
 Bros. in Baltimore will rent you one for $500.  I'd be inclined to rent an 
 EPIRB.  Boat US rents them, and Vane Bros. may as well.  Battery is much more 
 robust then a PLB.
 Jacklines, inflatable PFDs with harnesses are a must.  Take a look at the 
 saftey checklist here:
 
 http://www.yachtscoring.com/event_documents/1121/A2N%20Cert%20of%20Compliance.pdf
 
 Make your own determination of what level of gear you need.
 
 Might see you out there during/after the Annapolis/Newport race!
 
 Joel
 
 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 Advice please. I'm taklng Pegathy from Baltimore to Boston and back in June. 
 I've got an 8 foot inflatable, a gps based plb (McMurdo FastFind 210), and a 
 new VHF with an AIS receiver. The only offshore planned is from Cape May to 
 Block Island. Everything else will be close to shore. Do I need to bother 
 with a life raft and/or a real epirb?
 
 Dan Sheer
 Pegathy LF 38 
 Rock Creek off the Patapsco
 
 
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Re: Stus-List 1971 CC 41C For Sale

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I'm not familiar with the 41C. Is that like the Crusader 40 or the
Redline/Newport 41?
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Laura Norris via CnC-List 
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 We are looking to sell our 1971 CC 41C, “Badness.” Seeing if anyone here
 on the list serve may be interested before we advertise to the public.
 Price is $30,000. If interested, call or contact us via email at
 mailto:lauranor...@windstream.net lauranor...@windstream.net and we'll
 send you the flyer with photos and specs. Boat is currently located at
 Dallas Bluff Marina, Georgia, halfway between Savannah and Brunswick.

 Roger  Laura Norris
 1971 CC 41C “Badness”
 229-424-0758 (home) or 229-424-5760 (cell)


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Re: Stus-List salt water siphoning into sink

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Same on the 40. I just close the thru-hull, like the others do.

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 On Feb 20, 2015, at 20:01, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 my 33mkII did the same before, and a friend with a 33 mkII suggested to had a 
 plastic valve right under the drain (white valve with red knob/ handle), 
 found in hardware store and Marine store. this is way more convenient to 
 close than the hard to reach under the port settee. easy to open and close 
 when using the head. no more water spilling on a hard starboard beat.
 
 Bruno
 Becassine 
 
 Envoyé de mon iPad
 
 Le 2015-02-20 à 19:36, Ken Heaton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com a 
 écrit :
 
 Our 37 does this.  It is one way to clean the heads I suppose.  We close the 
 seacock.
 
 Ken H.
 
 On 20 February 2015 at 19:32, mike amirault via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 On a  CC 33 mkii, has anyone experienced salt (or lake) water filling up 
 the sink in the head when heeled over hard on a stbd tack? Mine was filling 
 up and overflowing unless the sink plug was in or the drain cock closed. I 
 suppose the proper thing for a seaman to do would be to close the drain 
 cock but this can be inconvenient when cruising. I installed a check valve 
 and this worked but it is not of marine quality and is corroding. I don't 
 think a vented loop will work on a gravity fed drain. Any other solutions?
 
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Re: Stus-List CC drawings from Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes

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I have all my 12Metre models lined up on my wall...26 of them; it's cool to see 
the different keels...the different solutions to the same problem.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Feb 7, 2015, at 14:24, robertlmazza via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks David,
 
 We were there this past Fall. Quite magnificent.  And yes, Nat Herreshoff 
 gets prominent mention when discussing the evolution of keels.
 
 Rob
 
 
 Sent from Samsung Mobile
 
 
  Original message 
 From: David Jacobs
 Date:02-07-2015 1:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
 To: 'robertlmazza' , cnc-list@cnc-list.com, 'Martin DeYoung'
 Subject: RE: Stus-List CC drawings from Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes
 
 Rob,
 
  
 
 If you’re writing an article about on the evolution of keels in sailing 
 yachts, if you haven’t you should visit the Herreshoff Museum in Bristol, RI. 
 They have a temperature and humidity controlled room with all of the 
 Herroshoff half hull models that were carved by hand by captain Natt himself. 
 They also have the tools he used and a lot of boats in various stages of 
 refurbishment.
 
  
 
 Dave
 
 Saltaire, 35 MK3
 
 Bristol, RI
 
  
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
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 Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 9:33 PM
 To: Martin DeYoung; CC Mailing List
 Subject: Re: Stus-List CC drawings from Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes
 
  
 
 Martin,
 
  
 
 Yes, the CC drawings at the Marine Museum are a tremendous resource. 
 However, I had forgotten that the 43 keel was a combination of iron and lead 
 castings. I'm in the process of doing a series of articles for Good Old Boat 
 on the evolution of the keel in sailing yachts, and the 43 would be an 
 excellent example of this transitional stage to an all lead casting. Is there 
 any chance you could send me a copy of that keel drawing,  otherwise I too 
 would get a copy from the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston.  I'll 
 be up there on the 19th for a Board meeting. 
 
  
 
 Rob
 
  
 
  
 
 Sent from Samsung Mobile
 
  
 
  Original message 
 
 From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List
 
 Date:02-06-2015 8:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
 Subject: Stus-List CC drawings from Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes
 
  
 
 I received our CC 43-1 digital drawings this week and had a chance to give 
 them a good look over. We purchase a little over 20 drawings, both the 
 digital and printed copies.  The printed full size copies are should be 
 delivered in a week or so.
 
  
 
 The purchase was worth every penny.  On the keel drawings are hand written 
 notes listing the actual weights of the first 3 castings of both the iron and 
 lead parts.  Also, the keel drawing shows all the bolt locations including 
 some between the lead and iron parts that I had not found (they are buried 
 inside the keel assembly).
 
  
 
 Calypso’s mast and fittings are all custom (the fittings are overbuilt, 
 fabricated SS).  The drawing package included dimensioned drawings for most 
 of the fittings and the spreaders. If the mast ever get damaged we now have 
 an excellent starting point for the repair.  We also got the original chain 
 plate drawings.  I found some additional drawing numbers relating to the 
 spars and have requested them from the museum.
 
  
 
 As Calypso is hull #1 of the custom 43 series many of the hull build drawings 
 have additional notes regarding fiberglass lay-up details that I was not 
 aware of including extra lay-up in high stress areas and where the balsa 
 starts and ends.  Along with the “as built” type drawings are the early 1970 
 conceptual deck and interior drawings used to sell the project to the first 
 buyer.  It is interesting to see how the design changed from the early 
 marketing to actual build.
 
  
 
 The rudder drawings include the first rudder and rudder bearing assemblies 
 which show the rudder’s stock details and the massive bronze casting that 
 makes up the lower rudder bearing assembly.  I also have the drawing of 
 Calypso’s 2nd rudder which is deeper with additional inner SS structure.
 
  
 
 The icing on the cake for me is the drawings that show the transom 
 modifications performed in late 1973.  It is a relief to know that the 
 original CC design team engineered the change including how much additional 
 lay-up was needed to maintain structural integrity.  This drawing will be 
 very useful if we decide to restore the original transom shape.
 
  
 
 Martin DeYoung
 
 Calypso
 
 1971 CC 43
 
 Seattle
 
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. I can mostly figure it out by
pushing buttons. I have to get out the manual for the BG.

I'm just about to buy an e7d on advice from my favorite electronics guru.
Another thing I like about it over the BG is that it has wifi that means I
can see everything on its screen and control it from my iPad. So the
repeater plotter I will have at the nav station (or in my bunk) will be my
iPad.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one
 of
 the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose,
 etc,
 that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup.  Particularly the
 Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807
 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new
 features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak.

 Any Comments?

 Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin
 anymore.
 I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling
 below their suggested prices. ?

 Bill Coleman
 CC 39



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Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters

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Wifi, Rick.
How does salt water get on your screens? Mine will be mounted in the
cockpit so it should never get wet.
Or are you guys THAT kind of sailor? The kind that sails in splashy weather
when all prudent mariners are at the bar...

:)

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I have to agree with Joel about the Raymarine touch screen in a saltwater
 environment. And, Joel, it isn’t just the plotter on your boat. I’ve had
 the same experience on two other boats recently, and the electronics guy
 who does much of the work in my area steered a customer refitting a Pacific
 Seacraft 37 away from the Raymarine for that reason. On the other hand, I
 find the touch screen on the Garmin 7series work quite well. I was
 pleasantly surprised.



 As far as software, I find the Garmin more intuitive than the Raymarine.
 But I’ve had more experience with Garmin plotters over the years, so I
 suppose that’s sort of an Android vs. iOS thing and not a real difference
 in capabilities.



 Andy, do you mean WiFi or Bluetooth? The newer Garmin plotters will also
 interface with a tablet using Bluetooth.





 Rick Brass

 Washington, NC







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 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Latest Chartplotters



 I have an E7.  You will find the touch screen on the iPad easier to use
 than the E7's after a few days of salt spray.  I did not play with the new
 BG or Garmin stuff.  The main reason I did not buy the Garmin that was on
 the market 3 years ago was it was all touch screen.  I like having the
 joystick.



 Joel



 On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I find the Raymarine more intuitive to use. I can mostly figure it out by
 pushing buttons. I have to get out the manual for the BG.

 I'm just about to buy an e7d on advice from my favorite electronics guru.
 Another thing I like about it over the BG is that it has wifi that means I
 can see everything on its screen and control it from my iPad. So the
 repeater plotter I will have at the nav station (or in my bunk) will be my
 iPad.

 Andy

 CC 40

 Peregrine



 On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I was wondering if anyone on the list has, or has had occasion to use one
 of
 the new Chartplotters by BG or Garmin with the Laylines, compass rose,
 etc,
 that look like the overlays on the latest Americas cup.  Particularly the
 Zeus Touch T8, now on sale for $807
 I still have an RC-80 Raymarine which works fine, but all these new
 features, plus many, many more make my knees go weak.

 Any Comments?

 Another observation, I notice that Defender has nothing from Garmin
 anymore.
 I wonder if they pulled their plug for not playing by the rules and selling
 below their suggested prices. ?

 Bill Coleman
 CC 39



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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

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And when you leave Florida for Bimini or the Banks, leaving at night allows
you to pick up the lights on the big radio tower on Bimini so you know how
far you got pushed by the stream and then when you get there the sun is up
so you can make your way in.
I guess I'm dating myself as that isn't necessary in these days of GPS and
plotters.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Brent — the few times I’ve crossed the Gulf Stream to/from Bimini and the
 Bahamas, we motor-sailed.  Partly because the winds were light or right on
 the nose (going over); and partly because you DO NOT want to be stuck
 drifting around in the middle of the Gulf Stream if the weather turns.

 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 According to his blog he crossed the Gulf Stream under power at night to
 get to Bimini.  Seems like a waste of a good sailing opportunity to me but
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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

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Though I like the idea of trailer ing down to Fla and sailing across, (and 
you're right, it would be easy with the 27), I'm looking forward to doing a 
little exploring on the way down from the Chesapeake, hopping in and out of the 
ditch. I suspect that not having a schedule will make it as much fun as 
cruising the Bahamas.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 
 

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 On Jan 28, 2015, at 17:23, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Hi Brent,
 I've always felt offshore capabilities of various boats depended more on the 
 skipper than the boat.  Look at what Slocum took around the world.Now 
 they are crossing ocean with rowboats.  
 
 I've always been a fan of Finnistere, the SS 38ft centerboarder that won 
 Newport to Bermuda race several times and also did some long cruises 
 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5663
 
 I should think a CC 34 CB known to be tender, could still be handled in most 
 conditions, and the shoal draft should be great for the shallows areas.   
 
 Call me crazy, but I also think your 27 MkV could be trailered to Florida in 
 1/10th the time and sailed to the islands just fine.  Pick your weather and 
 window and go.
 
 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 CC 34R
 Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
 
 From: Richard N. Bush via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: bren...@highspeedcrow.ca, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:50:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List 34 offshore
 
 Brent, Check out the Sailing Saralane blog, they have a CC 40 with a 
 centerboard and have been cruising for several years now; 
 http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.ca/
  
 Also the Persuasion Blog, they're from Canada and just made the jump to the 
 Bahama's; http://persuasion37.com/
  
  
 I'm sure there's more.
 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;
  
 
 Richard N. Bush
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
 502-584-7255
  
  
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 Sent: Wed, Jan 28, 2015 2:53 am
 Subject: Stus-List 34 offshore
 
 Happy winter everyone. 
 I'm just taking a moment to appreciate vintage CCs and their ability to make 
 dreams come true.  One of my crew purchased a 1984ish 34 CB near Toronto a 
 little over a year ago, took it across the lake, through the canals to the 
 ICW, 
 wintered in Florida and this season successful began exploring the Bahamas.  
 His 
 spot is showing him just outside of Nassau and with his adventurous spirit, 
 who 
 knows where he'll end up next. He's sailing more or less solo choosing to tag 
 along with someone going that way for safety. 
 Anyone else on the list with the CB version do any offshore cruising? I'm 
 curious on how they handle a big sea. 
 
 Cheers
 Brent Driedger
 27-5
 Lake Winnipeg. 
 
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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Sounds good. I should be in that general neighborhood mid April getting a boat 
ready to head to the Med.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

 On Jan 28, 2015, at 18:46, cpt.burt via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hey Andy we are over in Beaufort. We should hook up sometime.  Maybe on the 
 May river?  
 
 
 Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone
 
 
  Original message 
 From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
 Date:01/28/2015 17:53 (GMT-05:00) 
 To: Andrew Burton , CCList 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List 34 offshore 
 
 Andy
 
 If you are in the ICW in Savannah look me up. We live on the water and not 
 far off the ICW. Always happy to put up a fellow CC owner at our dock for a 
 few days.
 
 Jack Fitzgerald
 HONEY
 CC 39 TM
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 Though I like the idea of trailer ing down to Fla and sailing across, (and 
 you're right, it would be easy with the 27), I'm looking forward to doing a 
 little exploring on the way down from the Chesapeake, hopping in and out of 
 the ditch. I suspect that not having a schedule will make it as much fun as 
 cruising the Bahamas.
 
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine 
  
 
 Andrew Burton
 61 W Narragansett
 Newport, RI 
 USA02840
 
 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
 +401 965-5260
 
 On Jan 28, 2015, at 17:23, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Brent,
 I've always felt offshore capabilities of various boats depended more on 
 the skipper than the boat.  Look at what Slocum took around the world.
 Now they are crossing ocean with rowboats.  
 
 I've always been a fan of Finnistere, the SS 38ft centerboarder that won 
 Newport to Bermuda race several times and also did some long cruises 
 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5663
 
 I should think a CC 34 CB known to be tender, could still be handled in 
 most conditions, and the shoal draft should be great for the shallows 
 areas.   
 
 Call me crazy, but I also think your 27 MkV could be trailered to Florida 
 in 1/10th the time and sailed to the islands just fine.  Pick your weather 
 and window and go.
 
 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 CC 34R
 Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
 
 From: Richard N. Bush via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: bren...@highspeedcrow.ca, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:50:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List 34 offshore
 
 Brent, Check out the Sailing Saralane blog, they have a CC 40 with a 
 centerboard and have been cruising for several years now; 
 http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.ca/
  
 Also the Persuasion Blog, they're from Canada and just made the jump to the 
 Bahama's; http://persuasion37.com/
  
  
 I'm sure there's more.
 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;
  
 
 Richard N. Bush
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
 502-584-7255
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Brent Driedger via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: CC List Canada cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Wed, Jan 28, 2015 2:53 am
 Subject: Stus-List 34 offshore
 
 Happy winter everyone. 
 I'm just taking a moment to appreciate vintage CCs and their ability to 
 make 
 dreams come true.  One of my crew purchased a 1984ish 34 CB near Toronto a 
 little over a year ago, took it across the lake, through the canals to the 
 ICW, 
 wintered in Florida and this season successful began exploring the Bahamas. 
  His 
 spot is showing him just outside of Nassau and with his adventurous spirit, 
 who 
 knows where he'll end up next. He's sailing more or less solo choosing to 
 tag 
 along with someone going that way for safety. 
 Anyone else on the list with the CB version do any offshore cruising? I'm 
 curious on how they handle a big sea. 
 
 Cheers
 Brent Driedger
 27-5
 Lake Winnipeg. 
 
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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I used to see a 30 Mk 1 in the Caribbean for years. She'd been sailed down from 
Ontario. Our boats are pretty stout...certainly a lot better than some of the 
boats built for cruising these days.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

 On Jan 28, 2015, at 18:36, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 As others have mentioned it's more about the sailor and weather than the 
 boat. With that said a 34 would leave very little room for error and wouldn't 
 be my first choice. Fine for the ICW and a hop to the Bahamas but for 
 extended offshore... not so much.  Aside from that, cargo capacity becomes a 
 top priority for longer term sailing.  Geometry is working against the 34 
 there.
 
 I always liked the 34 and may yet own one someday. I'll keep her within the 
 design parameters.
 
 Just an opinion
 
 John
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jan 28, 2015, at 5:42 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Though I like the idea of trailer ing down to Fla and sailing across, (and 
 you're right, it would be easy with the 27), I'm looking forward to doing a 
 little exploring on the way down from the Chesapeake, hopping in and out of 
 the ditch. I suspect that not having a schedule will make it as much fun as 
 cruising the Bahamas.
 
 Andy
 CC 40
 Peregrine 
  
 
 Andrew Burton
 61 W Narragansett
 Newport, RI 
 USA02840
 
 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
 +401 965-5260
 
 On Jan 28, 2015, at 17:23, Chuck S via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Brent,
 I've always felt offshore capabilities of various boats depended more on 
 the skipper than the boat.  Look at what Slocum took around the world.
 Now they are crossing ocean with rowboats.  
 
 I've always been a fan of Finnistere, the SS 38ft centerboarder that won 
 Newport to Bermuda race several times and also did some long cruises 
 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5663
 
 I should think a CC 34 CB known to be tender, could still be handled in 
 most conditions, and the shoal draft should be great for the shallows 
 areas.   
 
 Call me crazy, but I also think your 27 MkV could be trailered to Florida 
 in 1/10th the time and sailed to the islands just fine.  Pick your weather 
 and window and go.
 
 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 CC 34R
 Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
 
 From: Richard N. Bush via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: bren...@highspeedcrow.ca, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:50:30 AM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List 34 offshore
 
 Brent, Check out the Sailing Saralane blog, they have a CC 40 with a 
 centerboard and have been cruising for several years now; 
 http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.ca/
  
 Also the Persuasion Blog, they're from Canada and just made the jump to the 
 Bahama's; http://persuasion37.com/
  
  
 I'm sure there's more.
 Richard
 1985 CC 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596;
  
 
 Richard N. Bush
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
 502-584-7255
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Brent Driedger via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: CC List Canada cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Wed, Jan 28, 2015 2:53 am
 Subject: Stus-List 34 offshore
 
 Happy winter everyone. 
 I'm just taking a moment to appreciate vintage CCs and their ability to 
 make 
 dreams come true.  One of my crew purchased a 1984ish 34 CB near Toronto a 
 little over a year ago, took it across the lake, through the canals to the 
 ICW, 
 wintered in Florida and this season successful began exploring the Bahamas. 
  His 
 spot is showing him just outside of Nassau and with his adventurous spirit, 
 who 
 knows where he'll end up next. He's sailing more or less solo choosing to 
 tag 
 along with someone going that way for safety. 
 Anyone else on the list with the CB version do any offshore cruising? I'm 
 curious on how they handle a big sea. 
 
 Cheers
 Brent Driedger
 27-5
 Lake Winnipeg. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Lavish CC's

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Wait a second! We have champagne and umbrella drinks all the time on Peregrine. 
Except when we're going to windward. Everybody puts umbrellas in their dark and 
stories, right?

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

 On Jan 27, 2015, at 09:00, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 You're probably right  Like you I have no idea what it's really worth. 
 Looks like a mostly custom job,  someone spent some serious coin having it 
 built..  As for the interior and the bar yeah, you'd have to pay attention 
 not to trip into the stools in an angry sea but for the 'Power Brokers 
 champagne and umbrella drink parties that's the ticket. LOL 
 
 Nice to see how the other half lives..
 
 -Francois
 1990 34+ Take five
 Lake Lanier, GA
 
 graycol.gifBrent Driedger ---01/26/2015 10:40:37 PM---She's a pretty boat 
 but seems a little pricey. It's no Swan. But then again once we leave the 
 100k b
 
 From: Brent Driedger bren...@highspeedcrow.ca
 To:   Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS, cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: 01/26/2015 10:40 PM
 Subject:  Re: Stus-List Lavish CC's
 
 
 
 She's a pretty boat but seems a little pricey. It's no Swan. But then again 
 once we leave the 100k barrier on a 26 year old boat, I'm really out of touch 
 with what costs are. 
 She looks more suited for entertaining at the harbour then thrashing about in 
 the ocean. 
 
 Brent D
 CC 27-v
 Lake Winnipeg. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 26, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Did you see the 1989 57 in Seebrook, TX?  
 
 For only 325K, you get a 57 complete with a bar that includes 3 permanent bar 
 stools. See here:  
 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/C%26C-57-2752865/Seabrook/TX/United-States#.VMbb5P54rg4
 
 When your sailin' yacht is sporting an actual bar with stools you know you're 
 a Playah  :-)   It takes the Ultimate Man Cave idea to a whole new level. 
  
 
 PS, Here's the video from our 1st sail for 2015.  It was honkin' 18-22 steady 
 knots with gusts pushing 29-30.  Sunny, mid 50's, and gorgeous.  We hit 8.4 
 knots with a conservative 2 reefs on the main and the jib furled down to 
 about 110 %
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daABRxXtcJc 
 
 -Francois
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List Block Island Race Week 2015

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

As I sit here in my living room, bracing for the first Storm of the Century 
this year, what could be more natural than dreaming about summer sailing plans? 
I hope more than a few on the list will plan to sail in Block Island Race Week 
June 21-26

This regatta was a ton of fun and I think many others on the list would enjoy 
it. I found the logistics much simpler to organize than I anticipated. We 
anchored out and there was plenty of room for others who came in mid week--the 
anchorage wasn't crowded. This could be a perfect regatta for a family or a 
bunch of the boys (or girls) and it's not too expensive if you do it the way 
my crew and I did last time; by staying on the boat and mostly eating aboard. 
That's what our cruiser/racers were designed to do and it's fun going old 
school at such a major regatta. One of my crew brought along his boat for 
additional room. A good way to be more comfortable would be for a couple of 
owners to team up to sail one boat and sleep on both each night. 
Full disclosure, Storm Trysail is my club and I'm doing all I can to help 
promote the regatta. But really I'd mostly like to get a bunch of CCers out 
there to play with.
I can't stress enough how simple sailing in this regatta can be; you don't even 
need to go stripping the boat. We raced Peregrine in full cruising mode with 
full water tanks, and a week's worth of food aboard and had a ball.

Here's a letter I wrote to the organizers after the 2013 regatta.

Dear ladies and gentlemen of the race committee,

I am nearly recovered from last week (I'm sure it will take you a bit longer!) 
and I wanted to drop you a line to express my appreciation and tell you how 
much my crew and I enjoyed ourselves. This was my first foray to BIRW in 36 
years and my first on my own boat, but not my last.

First of all, I can't imagine the time and effort and sheer lifting necessary 
to get the equipment and personnel on site. From the outside looking in, the RC 
team pulled it off without a hitch. That alone is a feat worthy of Papal 
attention.

I appreciate the help you gave me to make sure my entry process went smoothly. 
My dog thinks I'm pretty special, but I don't flatter myself that you do, too, 
yet I was left with the impression that you found it personally important that 
entering the regatta was as easy and enjoyable as possible for me. What a job 
to do that for 182 skippers! Thank you for the hand-holding!

I normally avoid the beer tent at regattas. However, this one was so well 
organized and the wait for drinks so short and the company so terrific, that my 
crew and I showed up every night. And stayed!

Because my boat is new to me and I wasn't sure I could get and house crew, I 
entered the Cruising Class non-spinnaker division. The single navigator-style 
race format proved to be a lot of fun and not so taxing that my crew in their 
50s and 60s were too worn out to make it to the party every single night. The 
racing format was an excellent idea and Bruce Bingham's execution was terrific. 
Bruce and his crew did everything a first class race committee is supposed to 
do; the lines were good, his weather intuition was spot-on, and the courses 
interesting and just the right length. 

I know organizing Race Week must have been a full-time job for you and others 
for months before the event and I can only say, Thank You and Well Done

Andrew Burton
Peregrine
CC 40

61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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Re: Stus-List CC 30 one design

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I hate racing under a rating system. That being said, I'm not sure the
skipper of the boat is terribly experienced, and he is racing against some
very good teams.

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

  Curtis, I agree with you. I race on a J-80 (and on my 30-1), and I
 cannot imagine that the new 30 will ever be a 'legend'. Our boats are
 excellent all-purpose boats - race, cruise, camp, sturdy, etc. The new 30
 may have 100 takers in a sea of similar one-design sportboats. We have over
 600 of us and I'll bet most of them are still on the water, 30 years after
 the last was built.

 Gary

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *To:* D.J. Platt w7...@yahoo.ca ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Monday, January 19, 2015 8:40 PM
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CC 30 one design

 My old 30-1 is a legend, Not sure the new 30 will ever be that.

 On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:34 PM, D.J. Platt via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Can't argue with you there.  Best I ever saw as 8.2 and that was in a lot
 more than 15 knots.

 --
 From: Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 1:00 PM
 To: David Platt w7...@yahoo.ca; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 30 one design

  I bet your old Mark 1 doesn't do 12 knots in 15 knots of wind either.
 It was a blast to sail in NYC.

 Tim
 Mojito
 CC 35-3
 Branford, CT


 On Jan 19, 2015, at 5:03 AM, David Platt via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 saw it at the Toronto boat show yesterday.  Doesn't look much like my
 old Mark 1.

 david


 On Sun, 2015-01-18 at 19:05 -0500, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
 Funny.  I posted this on the list in Oct  2013 when the first drawings
 of the Redline were released.


 SR was purchased by CC from Glen Henderson.  A drawing of the first
 boat to be produced by the new Cc company was shown at the Newport
 Boat show.  It's the Redline 41 similar to a King 40 by Summit
 yachts.  You can see a drawing of it at http://summit-yachts.com/.
 The new line is described below


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:


 This from Sailing World: the CC Redline 41 is deemed an updated
 King 40. BOTY rules require original tooling, so the 41,although
 well built, is excused.
 Based on the CC website I was lead to believe this was a new hull.


 Brent
 27-5
 Lake Winnipeg

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 18, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:


 Redline was a huge disappointment. They should take a chainsaw to
 the interior and the price tag.


 Joel

 On Sunday, January 18, 2015, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
CC 30 OD


I just shipped 3 of these boats (hull nos: 05, 06  08) to
USWatercraft's Japanese dealer. All 3 boats were pre sold.
The dealer has 3 more hulls on order for delivery by the
end of May 2015.


There is also a lot of interest from Australia we well.


Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY
US12788
CC 39 TM




On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Tom Buscaglia via
CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
Looking forward to finally seeing one at the
Seattle Boat Show next week.  Hoping they'll have
the a Redline 41 though I doubt it.

Oh yeah...go Hawks!

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera
1990 CC 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200


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cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Message: 2
 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:15:30 -0500
 From: Jerome Tauber jrtau...@aol.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

cnc-list@cnc-list.com

 Subject: Stus-List CC30 one design at Key West

 There will be a CC 30 one design competing in

Key West Race Week starting tomorrow.  Jerry cC
27 v JJ

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Re: Stus-List FW: Magazines

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Is that because they featured your gorgeous boat on the cover, David?

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:20 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:


 Get most of the mentioned, but really peruse Practical Sailor.

 David F. Risch
 1981 40
 (401) 419-4650 (cell)


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 Subject: Re: Stus-List Magazines
 From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

  Good Old Boat featured a CC Mega 30 in last issue.  Is nice to see
 write-ups about the boats we all know
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Re: Stus-List Teak stain?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I think it's just regular teak oil, Jim. Lots and lots of it.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

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 On Jan 18, 2015, at 23:26, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have our companionway steps home for refinishing, and have just had to sand 
 through a layer of what appears to be mahogany(ish) stain to get to the bare 
 teak. Looking around the boat, it looks like it may have the stain on every 
 teak surface. Anyone know anything about what particular stain they used? 
 
 Jim Watts
 Paradigm Shift
 CC 35 Mk III
 Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed

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On my Shields, which is a lovely slim 30 footer with long overhangs, when we 
get going hull speed and the breeze is trying to push us quicker, the bow wave 
starts rolling over the foredeck and the stern wave rolls over the aft deck. 
Any faster and we'd be under!

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Jan 14, 2015, at 18:38, D Harben via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
  perhaps a turbo 7.4L muscle car engine would squeeze in the cabin 
 replacing the table 
 
 
 
 On Jan 14, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Fear of sinking by over-power is why I won’t put a turbo charger on my A4
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam 
 Salter via CnC-List
 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:26 PM
 To: CnC
 Subject: Stus-List Fw: The stern squats at high speed
  
  
 I would have thought (no science here) if it had that much power, it could 
 climb over its own bow wave and escape  hull speed. 
 (This is how a Flux-Capacitor works - trust me on this! )
  
 sam :-)
 From: Robert Gallagher via CnC-List
 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:11 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Reply To: Robert Gallagher
 Subject: Re: Stus-List The stern squats at high speed
  
 Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this...
  
 The stern of a displacement hull vessel will begin to submerge as you 
 approach hull speed.  It's settling into the trough of its own wake(s).
  
 Even kayaks do it.
  
 Someone told me a long time ago that a displacement vessel could 
 theoretically sink itself if it had enough power.
  
 YMMV
  
 Rob
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List questions from potential buyer

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He should have tapped the hull, too, which would tell him if there is any 
delamination. High readings could be caused by condensation inside the boat. 
Bottom line is that I would tend to trust him. Get a second opinion, if you're 
not confident.
Great boat! Good luck with your purchase.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine



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 On Jan 13, 2015, at 21:35, andrew rothweiler via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 I've found a mid 70s CC 33-1 that I'm interested in buying. One thing the 
 survey indicated was elevated moisture levels, into the yellow on the meter, 
 in the bottom.  The owner had the bottom epoxy barrier coated about 8 years 
 ago, and the bottom paint was new last year.  There were no blisters present 
 at the survey, and the owner has said there have never been any- he has owned 
 the boat for 30+ years.  The boat has been on the Great Lakes from new, and 
 based on the condition of the boat, especially compared to all the boats I 
 have looked at,  I would say the boat has had an attentive, conscientious 
 owner. 
 
 My question is whether elevated moisture in several areas of the bottom of a 
 solid fiberglass hull should be a deal breaker or a matter of concern.
 The surveyor told me that he would not be concerned, and that if I was I 
 should  buy a new boat (hah! not happening).
 Do you agree with the surveyor's lack of concern about some level of moisture 
 in the bottom of a solid glass hull of a 40 year old boat?
 
 Many thanks in advance for advice.  My search for a boat has lasted a couple 
 of years now, has included a big learning curve, and has focused on CCs, in 
 large part because of the valuable information and assistance available on 
 this site from the members. Thanks again.
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Re: Stus-List CC 37+ engine size

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Danny,
If it's any help, I'd buy another 40 in a heartbeat. Also the right 39, 37,
37+, or 41. Great boats all. That said, I wouldn't mind a more powerful
engine in Peregrine, but I don't have the room for it or the fuel capacity
to run it for long. Powering against wind and current down Vineyard Sound
one gray day last summer, we were making 3 knots over the planet--sometimes
less--until I hoisted a double reefed main and unrolled part of the jib and
turned off the engine. Then we started romping along at 5+. And the boat
felt better and we were happier. The nice thing about our boats is that
they are so easily-driven that they don't need a ton of sail to make them
go fast enough for cruising. And they are FUN to sail, which makes a longer
passage easier to endure.
the other side of that coin is that in the conditions you're talking about,
even a boat with a good-sized engine is going to be considerably slowed by
the chop.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Hi Josh,

 Great explanation, thank you!  All your recollections are correct.  Only,
 I'm currently boatless...

 I have virtually no experience with diesel engines hence, my ignorant
 questions...LOL  So, your (and all others) insights and comments are very
 well received and appreciated!

 Still searching,
 Danny



 -- Original Message --
 From: Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com
 To: DJ Hawk djhaug...@juno.com, CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 37+ engine size
 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:45:36 -0500

 When you are experiencing heavy currents and can only go 3 kts to round
 the mark.� Is that 3 kts being measured by the gps or is it 3 kts measured
 by the speed log?� It sounds to me like it is 3kts by gps and if so then
 from all of the other listers comments and my own experience a larger
 engine would only allow you to proceed at 4kts.

 When people experience a mismatch between boat size and drive train
 performance it is most often experienced in heavy chop.� I believe there
 are two main factors at work in these under powered cases.�

 The first is the diameter of the prop.� Smaller engines = smaller props =
 less bite in the water and when things get sloppy the prop slips and
 cavitates more.

 The second part is prop speed.� In order to use a smaller engine to do the
 same job the designers will gear it to gain mechanical advantage.� The prop
 will have to spin faster than its higher powered counterparts.� Faster
 prop=less bite and closer to cavitation.

 When these two factors are at play the speed log will slow
 disproportionately to the gps speed.� Everyone has probably experienced
 plunging the bow into a breaker and seeing the boat speed come down.� The
 question is how long does it take go recover.� These smaller props spinning
 at higher rpm slip and cavitate more so speed recovery is longer.� If the
 next breaker gets to you before the speed recovers

 Remind me, your boat, Lolita?, has an A4 right?� Is it direct drive?� If
 my recollections are correct then you have a couple of things that set your
 experiences apart from what you could expect from a larger diesel powered
 boat such as a 37+, 38LF, or a 40.� Forgive me if my recollections are
 incorrect.

 First is that the gas engines don't have as much low end torque so when
 those breakers come and the boat needs to make up, the engine has a harder
 time coming back up to speed.�

 Second, the direct drive (1:1) means that right from the start the prop
 has to spin much faster and an increase in load at the prop is directly
 felt as an increase in load at the engine.� There are no gears to help in
 having less low end torque so the prop pitch is much less as well, again
 meaning more cavitation.

 Third, being a shorter and lighter boat means that the breakers will cause
 the boat to hobby-horse around a lot more and also push the bow off
 requiring more helm.

 All of these factors make for a less comfortable ride and slower progress
 in the thick stuff.

 Good Luck,

 Josh Muckley
 S/V Sea Hawk
 1989 CC 37+
 Solomons, MD
 On Jan 12, 2015 7:10 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I think my point is;

 Where we sail there are some pretty good currents and the chop picks up
 quite often.� Sometimes, you have to make it home heading into both.�
 That's when you want the extra hp.� We sometimes have guests that get a
 little nervous when the conditions get exciting and we try to get them in
 as quickly as possible.� Sure, you can move along at hull speed in
 favorable conditions but, the only time I'd be able to notice that the
 stern dug in a few inches would be in the harbour, sometimes.� We almost
 never experience flat water and are typically dealing with a 3 to 4 knot
 current.� Sometimes it is our favor and usually try to time our trips so it
 is.� But day sailing, I don't really care as much.� I sometimes could only
 get 3 knots 

Re: Stus-List CC 37+ engine size

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

All I have on my 40 is a 3-cylindr yanmar rated at 27-hp. I get 6 out of it
with no problem. If I want to go faster I put the sails up!

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Hi Guys,

 I'm eyeing a 1989 37+  but it has a 35 HP universal diesel.  That, seems
 kind of small for a nearly 40' boat.  doesn't it?

 Danny

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Re: Stus-List Indigo is for sale.

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Sorry to hear you're parting with Indigo, Rich. I hope you will get another 
boat out there. It's the most beautiful cruising grounds in the world! Boat 
prices are high, though, and you may well find that it's more economical to 
ship Indigo out.
Congrats on the move!

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Dec 16, 2014, at 03:50, Knowles Rich via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 After a few years of equivocating and procrastinating, I have finally decided 
 to relocate.  We are moving to Nanaimo BC, the other end of Canada, and 
 intend to make our home there for the foreseeable future. We plan to hit the 
 road on January 8, weather permitting, for a three week or so odyssey and 
 arrive around the end of January.
 
 The sad part of this will be leaving Indigo, our LF 38 behind. It’s simply 
 not practical to ship her to the west coast and the North West Passage is a 
 bit too ice choked at this time of year to sail. So, she is up for sale. 
 Details can be seen at: 
 http://www.kijiji.ca/v-sailboat/city-of-halifax/sailboat-c-c-landfall-38-a-great-christmas-present/1039227171?src=topAdSearch
 
 I’ll still be lurking and, who knows, may wind up with another CC. A good 
 thing. 
 
 Cheers to all.
 
 Rich Knowles
 INDIGO LF38
 Halifax, NS.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Block Island Race Week 2015

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Hi Tim, a little late in replying, but yes, Peregrine will be at Block Island 
Race Week again this year. 
Last year one of the crew brought his cruising boat and Zodiac and we rated up 
and anchored just on the other side of the channel from the marina. We slept on 
both boats and were comfortable the whole week, despite the fog that moved in 
one night! We will be sailing Cruising Class, non-spinnaker again. That was a 
ton of fun for us as my crew are all old and the racing didn't wear us out 
enough to impinge on our time at the MtGay tent.

There was lots of room in the anchorage. We got there on Friday, but there was 
no need to worry about finding a good spot.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


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 On Nov 14, 2014, at 22:24, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 We're planning on racing (PHRF Spinnaker) in Block Island Race Week next 
 year.  Are there any other 35-3 owners (Jonathan, Joel?) who would consider 
 it?  John Bawabe (2nd Chance) normally does the race and I'll try to convince 
 Joe K in Branford too.  Andy, are you planning on taking Peregrine over 
 again, and do you have any advice on slip vs mooring for the week?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tim
 Mojito
 CC 35-3
 Branford, CT
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Re: Stus-List Indigo is for sale.

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Having just completed a trip from Acapulco to Florida last month, I can aver 
that the leg through the canal makes the whole trip worth it. A truly 
impressive experience.

As Joshua Slocum once said, to any...man contemplating a voyage, I would say, 
go!

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Dec 16, 2014, at 16:25, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 I’d have to plead partially guilty to that.
  
 I’m planning to attend the PNW Rendezvous and explore the Gulf Islands with 
 my Admiral, and had hoped to charter a CC for the trip. Twist, the 110 that 
 was at Island Cruising in Sidney is no longer in their fleet. Only CC I’ve 
 managed to find would be a skippered charter on a 41 out of Nanaimo. So it 
 looks like I might be at the Rendezvous in a Bavaria/DuFour/ Benneteau 
 charter boat; that seems to be what most charter fleets in the area are made 
 of.
  
 More importantly, my interest in delivering Indigo is in getting more 
 offshore time. After 5 months of medical tests to prove I really can hear and 
 see, I wear hearing aids and glasses, and that I’m not about to keel over 
 because of my diabetes, the USCG finally issued my 50 ton Masters License. 
 I’ve got an Inshore Master and a Near-coastal 6-pack, with sail and towing 
 endorsements. I need just under 60 more offshore days to upgrade the Master’s 
 ticket.
  
 Besides, it would be fun to get to meet some of the other CC skippers I know 
 from years on the various iterations of Stu’s List and its precursors.
  
  
 Rick Brass
 Imzadi  CC 38 mk 2
 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1
 Washington, NC
  
  
  
 From: Jim Watts [mailto:paradigmat...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 3:02 PM
 To: Rick Brass; 1 CnC List
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Indigo is for sale.
  
 Rick, you're just angling for a ride for the rdv, aren't you?
 
  
 I'm up for the PanamaHawaiiVancouver Island leg. I even have most of the 
 charts. : )
 
 
 
 Jim Watts
 Paradigm Shift
 CC 35 Mk III
 Victoria, BC
  
 On 16 December 2014 at 11:38, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 Rich – It wouldn’t take much arm twisting – Heck, I’d probably twist my own 
 arm – to get me to volunteer for a good portion of the trip through Panama. 
 I’d probably sign on for the whole trip if you decided to do the “Midwest 
 Passage”.
  
 You will miss Indigo; you know you will. Rethink moving her. Imagine how good 
 you would feel taking her to the PNW Rendezvous next fall.
  
  
 Rick Brass
 Imzadi  CC 38 mk 2
 la Belle Aurore CC 25 mk1
 Washington, NC
  
  
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick 
 G Street via CnC-List
 Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:39 PM
 To: Pierre Tremblay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Indigo is for sale.
  
 Rich — sounds like time to get a Stu’s List crew together and sail her 
 through the Panama Canal and up the West Coast…   :^)
  
 I’m sorry to hear you’ll be leaving our fraternity of LF38 owners, and hope 
 you’ll stay here on the list.
  
 — Fred
 
 Fred Street -- Minneapolis
 S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
  
 On Dec 16, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
  
 
 Good luck Rich.
  
 I don't want to be the little devil on your shoulder, but, shipping your LF38 
 to the west will be cheaper than the difference between the price of an other 
 boat in BC and the selling price of your LF. Add to that the investment on 
 the BC boat to get her to your liking.
  
 You love her (Indigo), bring her west...
  
 Pierre Tremblay 
 Avalanche #54988 
 CC38-3 WK, hull #76
  
 
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Re: Stus-List smart phone navigation programs

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I like iNavX for the US government charts that come with it. Outside the U.S. I 
use navionics and have been very pleased with them for the most part. But as 
has been noted, all the hazards do not show up until you zoom in.

Andy
CC 40 
Peregrine

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 On Dec 1, 2014, at 14:21, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 InavX (navionics charts) is still king as far as anything I've seen.
 
 John
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Dec 1, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 I like the Navionics app I have on my iPhone.
  
 Joe Della Barba
 Coquina
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fred 
 Hazzard via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 2:06 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List smart phone navigation programs
  
 What to listers like for navigation programs/charting for smart phones.
  
 I have a Droid mini.
  
 Fred Hazzard
 S/V Fury
 CC 44
 Portland, Or
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Re: Stus-List CC 41 Spinnaker

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

About the time your boat was built riggers started using three halyard mast 
heads. Any of your halyards can be used for the jib but only the outer halyards 
can be used for spinnakers.

Andy
CC 40 
Peregrine

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 On Nov 18, 2014, at 17:00, Rex  Jennifer Delay via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 We have a new to us 1985 CC 41.  Am in the process of re-doing most of the 
 rig.  According to the labels on the mast and clutches, we have 2 spinnaker 
 halyards and one genoa halyard.  Have replaced these but found all 3 halyards 
 exit the mast below and inboard of the forestay?  How could you possibly fly 
 a spinnaker this way?  It has been my experience that the spinnaker halyard 
 must exit above and outboard of the forestay.  There is no visible means to 
 direct any of the halyards to what would seem the correct position.  Any 
 ideas or other 41s like this?  Are we missing something here?
  
 Rex  Jennifer Delay
 www. Ghostlake.com
 www.ghostlakesailing.com
  
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Re: Stus-List 34/36 flat area

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

That flat area forward of the keel on many 70s and 80s CCs, including my 40, 
was there as a way of fudging an IOR measurement point. The purpose was to make 
the rule think the boat was slower than it actually was. The boats do pound if 
you motor straight into waves, but heeled the hull presents a much nicer shape 
to a seaway.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton
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 On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:28, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 The 33 mkII also has a fairly flat hull bottom section, almost from the back 
 of the keel forward. I understand that it helps a lot to keep a good heel 
 angle to prevent pounding going upwind. But in short waves IT WILL BANG 
 whoever is at the helm. I'm even thinking about reinforcing the front section 
 of the hull laminating a grid from the inside because i think there is a 
 lack of support there and it flexes too much. I was able to notice the flex 
 last summer in the choppy conditions of the Northumberland strait. Any 
 comment on that project are welcomed.
  
 That said, the boat is fast for it's size and fairly stable downwind for an 
 old boat. I don't know if the flat section really helps but i did hit some 
 very good speed going downwind and surfing for a brief moment (not sustained 
 surfing) at a MAX speed of 14 knots!!! on the speedo, not GPS (was not 
 looking down!). that day the boat was averaging a speed over 8.5 regularly 
 surfing over 9 and 10 with rides over 11.5. I did saw a 14 for like a second 
 or two, i don't know what the GPS was showing... It was blowing over 30 with 
 a fairly big following sea. the sails where tied wing to wing, two reefs 
 and with my no.3 (110%) a bit furled and stabilized with a whisker pole. . 
 since the sails were tied with the boom secured too, and that my sails were 
 balanced for the conditions i was able to play the wind a little to 
 accelerate in the puffs and then point the bow down the waves. Very fun ride 
 but very stressful for my girlfriend and me too at some points.
  
 a friend following us with his CS 36 bent his boom that day after an 
 accidental jibe. his boat seemed harder to steer in those conditions and was 
 not surfing as much as we were. the CS is way heavier and has a very V 
 shape bow.
  
 Bruno Lachance
 Bécassine, CC 33 mkII
 New-Richmond, Qc
  
 
  
 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 10:02:56 -0400
 To: cscheaf...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; jfriv...@us.ibm.com
 Subject: Stus-List 34/36 flat area
 From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 
 Lots of fast boats have a flat bottom from the keel forward.I made a 
 short delivery (40 miles) on a J44 in heavy winds and seas on the 
 'nose'..the boat pounded on every wave it hit.
 
 I don't think the the 34R is any different.the same thing happened on a 
 delivery from Port Hawkesbury to Halifax with the wind and waves on the 
 nose.that front flat section of the bottom does not push the water away 
 in those conditions.at least it didn't for us.both sailing and 
 motoring.  So I am not sure what Rob Ball means when he says it wouldn't 
 slam when sailing, or when heeled because the hull has a vee on either side 
 of the flat, so it acts like a keel when heeled. 
 
 We did a lot of spin runs racing the 34R.the fastest I can recall we got 
 the boat going was about 10.2 knots on the GPS and that was with a 3/4 oz. 
 chute in about 25 knts true. 
 
 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, N.S.
 
 
 
 On 2014/11/03 8:01 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote:
 I once asked Rob Ball about that flat area of my 34R, because it would slam 
 when crossing a wave.  He said that feature was proven to be fast in IOR 
 designs and even though the 1990 34/36R, 34/36+, 34/36XL series was designed 
 for IMS, he incorporated it into this hull.  He told me it wouldn't slam when 
 sailing, or when heeled because the hull has a vee on either side of the 
 flat, so it acts like a keel when heeled.  I've learned to avoid the slam by 
 sailing more, or motorsailing, or motoring thru chop or crossing waves at an 
 angle.   I've since seen that flat section on many other brand racers.
 
 The newest racing sailboat designs (like CC 30 and Redline 41) however have 
 eliptical cross sections, like a canoe, bow to stern.  Have you seen the 
 chines on the Volvo Ocean 65's this year?
 
 
 Chuck
 Resolute
 1990 CC 34R
 Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
 
 From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: Robert Abbott robertabb...@eastlink.ca
 Cc: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 5:16:04 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Surfing hulls
 
 HI, I meant the STEM..  so yes, between keel and the pointy end :-)  
 
 
 
 Regards
 
 Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, Georgia
 
 ATT1Robert Abbott ---11/03/2014 05:05:13 PM---We raced a 34R 
 extensively..I recall the hull on this 

Re: Stus-List Running Lights Approved LED bulbs

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Bob, a tricolor is indeed a substitute for deck level running lights. But it 
may only be used while sailing. And it should never be used in addition to deck 
level lights.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
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 On Nov 3, 2014, at 13:38, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Joe:  it is my understanding that a masthead tricolor is not a substitute for 
 deck-level running lights--it can and should be used in addition.
 
 Bob
 
 Bob Boyer
 S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230
 email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
 blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
 
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Re: Stus-List Farley Mowat and thanks

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The grey seas under, by Mowat. Can't recommend it highly enough

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
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 On Oct 17, 2014, at 09:36, Tim Sippel via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Never cry wolf !!
  
 Tim
  
  Toronto
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
 Bush via CnC-List
 Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:32 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Farley Mowat and thanks
  
 Sometime last spring, someone on the list mentioned that he was reading the 
 Farley Mowat book; The Boat Who Wouldn't Float; I had never heard of Mr. 
 Mowat, but noted that the comment was that the book was enjoyable. So I 
 picked up a used paperback copy on ebay.  I laid it aside during spring 
 launch and other activities, and came across it a couple of weeks ago.   I 
 just finished the book and I am hooked. This was a great read and I couldn't 
 put it down.  Since I know little of the northern waters described in the 
 book, I kept my laptop next to me and scoped out all of the places they went, 
 which made it even more enjoyable.   So thank you to whomever it was that 
 suggested the book, I am now a Mowat fan!  
  
 Richard
 1985 37 CB, Ohio River, Mile 584;
 Richard N. Bush
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
 502-584-7255
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com; 1 CnC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: Fri, Oct 17, 2014 12:11 am
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Butyl
 
 Interlux Special Thinner 216 dissolves butyl beautifully and leaves no 
 noticeable residue. I use it to prep many surfaces for painting or caulking.
 
 Jim Watts
 Paradigm Shift
 CC 35 Mk III
 Victoria, BC
  
 On 16 October 2014 20:11, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 Goo Gone or similar.  Final clean with denatured alcohol.
 
 BTW, denatured alcohol removes uncured, repeat uncured, 5200 well.
  
 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
  
 On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 But the question was what would remove butyl where it was not wanted.  
 Agreed varsol and paint thinner leave an 'oily film'.why wouldn't they, 
 they are petroleum based. 
 
 But varsol and paint thinner will remove butyl and will not harm your deck 
 paint any more than the splashing of diesel fuel we apply to our deck paint, 
 annually!
 
 So clean any space that needs proper sealing, clean it after the butyl is 
 removed with TSP and/or acetone if the substrate can tolerate acetone. 
 
 What product would you recommend Mike use to clean his unwanted butyl ?
 
 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, N.S.
 
 
 
 
 On 2014/10/15 1:50 PM, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List wrote:
 My experiance with varsol and paint thinner is that they leave residue that 
 prevents proper sealing.  
 
 --- Original Message ---
 
 From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Sent: 15 October, 2014 11:30 AM
 To: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Butyl
 
 Mike:
 Varsol or any paint thinner will clean butyl.
 
 Rob Abbott
 AZURA
 CC 32 - 84
 Halifax, N.S.
 
 Unstepped the mast yesterday.being hauled out any day now!
 
 
 
 
 On 2014/10/15 10:34 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:
 The one thing I have always hated about Butyl was trying to remove it from 
 where it was not wanted.  Old fittings being rebidded that had been using 
 butyl would always result in butyl stuck everywhere on non skid and nearly 
 impossible to remove.  Is there some sort of cleaner/solvent that rids us of 
 that?
  
 Mike
 Still sailing in Nova Scotia on Persistence
  
  
  
  
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Re: Stus-List A Special Thank You

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Thanks for all you do here, mate.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:

   To Andrew Burton – Trident Studio (The Half Hull Company).

 Today’s mail contained a beautiful 1/2 hull model of Diversion, a CC
 Yacht I owned for over 15 years,

 It brought back a lot of memories and will have a special place in our
 home so we can remember the good times forever.

 Thank you Andrew

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Re: Stus-List thread reply and rod rigging

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Talk to the guys at Navtec about reheading. That's on my list for this winter. 

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

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 On Oct 12, 2014, at 08:19, David Dawes via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, can someone tell me how to reply to a thread?  Sorry, I can’t figure it 
 out.  So I started a new one.
 
 
 Next I looked at a 1984 CNC 35 M3 yesterday.  Concerned about the rod 
 rigging.  This boat is run down so I don’t expect a record of rigging 
 inspection or service.
 
 A rigger friend recommended full replacement.
 
 Is this correct?  And what are alternatives?  What is a rod replacement cost 
 approx?  And is a wire replacement smart/ advisable/ cost effective or too 
 heavy?  Technology has moved ahead in 30 years.
 
 I love the boat layout etc.  But suspect rigging will kill my offshore 
 pleasure!
 
 Many thanks,
 
 David.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 David Dawes
 Captain
 Newport, RI, USA
 +1(401)5854942
 dawes...@hotmail.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Think you know boating, navigation and seamanship?

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FIVE whistle alarm?

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 All this talk about captains license, etc.  So you think you know how to
 operate your boat?  Navigate around your area?  Avoid stuff?  Ever taken
 a Power Squadron course?

 Go here:  http://www.usboating.com/test.htm

 No, you don't have to report back to the list on how you did.

 If you operate a boat, even a sailboat, you need to know rules of the
 road, basic seamanship and marine safety.  I'm always amazed at the low
 level of knowledge of many boaters.  I once sailed in convoy with another
 sailboat.  We came to a major ship channel with a LARGE ship transiting the
 channel.  The other sailor appeared to believe he had right of way over
 this large ship in a confined channel.  The ship sounded the six whistle
 alarm.  I hailed my buddy and suggested he tack out of the ship's way.  :)

 Dennis C.
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Re: Stus-List 1983 C7C 29 MkII

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I checked my drawings and they are just too faded to be of use.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 The Kingston Museum has the original drawings for many CC's, you could
 get in touch with them. Several of us on the list bought the lines plans
 for the 35-3 from there.
 http://www.marmuseum.ca/



 Jim Watts
 Paradigm Shift
 CC 35 Mk III
 Victoria, BC

 On 7 October 2014 06:41, Lisa Lias via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1205

 Keith, maybe this is what you're looking for...
 On Tuesday, October 7, 2014, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 Hello,

 I am about to purchase a 1985 CC 29 MkII, and wish to obtain an
 accurate longitudinal Cross-section drawing
 of this craft in order to construct a trailer.

 Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 Thank you,
 Keith Deller,
 Calgary AB




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Re: Stus-List 1984 CC 35 MIII

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I should mention that David is one of the more experienced professional 
captains around. Tells you something about our boats when people like him fall 
in love with them!

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Oct 6, 2014, at 21:18, Kim Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 David, 
 I have an '87 35-3 CB and am on the gulf coast of FL. Spent 3 weeks in
 Abacos last summer without draft issues.  Great boat. That said the real
 issue on a 30 year old boat is how it has been maintained for 30 years. I
 got lucky. 
 
 Kim Brown
 TrustMe!!! 35-3
 
 
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Stus-List Savannah /Charleston boatyards

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Can anyone recommend a good yard in the Charleston/Savannah area where I can 
get some significant work done on a client's boat. It will need to come out of 
the water and she draws 11' and the mast height is more than 80' so the 
approach has to be pretty easy.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

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Re: Stus-List mast

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Pretty easy to spice a section on the bottom if it's the same section

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


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 On Sep 30, 2014, at 14:41, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 A friend with a Viking 33 broke his spar and is looking for a replacement.  
 The cross section dimensions are the same as 35-1. Does anyone on this list 
 know of a 35-1 mast (or better yet Viking 33/34 mast) that is available?  
 Holland Marine has one that is brand new and great price but is too short as 
 this boat is keel stepped.
  
 Mike
  
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Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone

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I have sailed in storm conditions several times with only a jib and no 
problems. The main, when hoisted, dies stabilize the mast. But with the rig on 
the  40, for instance, I would crank on the baby stay and back stay to induce 
bend and then rig the runners fairly hard. The mast would be perfectly stable 
and I would be confident I wasn't going to harm the rig.
Bottom line: don't hesitate to sail under jib alone.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine 

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 On Sep 19, 2014, at 12:58, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 I am afraid that the idea of the “uneven loading on the rig” is another myth.
  
 Your rig (not the rigging, but the boat, as a whole) is unbalanced. How much, 
 it depends on the size and shape of your jib.
  
 I think the problem stems from the fact that in lighter winds, you want to 
 have as much sail as you can or you are not moving. And in the strong winds, 
 you might be unbalanced to the point that it is difficult to steer (the boat 
 would have a tendency to bear off). You may also find it to be difficult to 
 tack, especially in waves.
  
 But if any of those does not wear _you_ off, the boat would be fine.
  
 Marek
  
 From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:00 PM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
  
 All,
  
 Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work.  Unfurled the jib in 
 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and 
 hoist the main.
  
 I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load 
 on the rigging.  Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the 
 total load is a lot less under one sail.
  
 Thoughts?
  
 Joel
 35/3
 Annapolis
 
 
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Re: Stus-List CC NE Rendezvous 2015

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Funny, just dropped a boat off in Milford at 2 this afternoon. There was plenty 
of water; the least I saw in the channel to Milford Boatworks was 10'.

Andrew Burton
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 On Sep 7, 2014, at 17:42, Bill Bina via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Milford is one of those places where drawing no more than 5 feet is VERY 
 helpful, if not mandatory. Unless they have dredged it in the last 5 years or 
 so, there were several sand humps near the mouth of the river that my keel 
 would bump on my way in or out unless it was high tide. The town operated 
 marina at the head of the harbor is nice, but likewise very shallow. Really 
 just for daytripping powerboats. They had a few (3?) deeper slips, but I was 
 in one of those and woke up at low tide to find I was firmly stuck in over a 
 foot of mud with my 5 foot draft. A scuba diver happened by, and he stood up 
 at the end of my slip. The water was somewhere between his belly button and 
 chest! Not kidding. Too bad, because the town operated slips are directly on 
 the restaurant district and the price was right. There is a nice privately 
 owned marina, Milford Boatworks  Marina, just down from the town facility, 
 with deeper slips, but it is a little further from the restaurants and 
 business areas and costs a bit more. I would call them about the shoaling 
 situation before making any plans. 
 
 Danfords Marina in Port Jeff might be able to accommodate you with enough 
 lead time, but $ KA-CHING! It is a great setup, though. Right in the 
 heart of the village with tons of boutiques and restaurants. 
 
 Bill Bina
 
 On 9/7/2014 10:50 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:
 John,
 
  Not to speak for the group, but I think one of the more fun aspects of a 
 rendezvous is the dock meet ups and walking around exploring other’s boats — 
 which is kind of lost on moorings or raft-ups. 
 
  Port Jeff is a great location, but there’s only one really good marina and 
 they often seem pretty packed with boats — not sure they could group a bunch 
 of CCs together. 
 
  Clinton is a nice place, but it is pretty far east and a little tricky to 
 get into. However, I don’t want to lose the attendance of those coming from 
 places like Eastern CT or MA either. 
 
  Milford could be a good option, being right in the middle of the Sound.
 
 
  All the best,
 
  Edd
 
 
  Edd M. Schillay
  Starship Enterprise
  CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
  City Island, NY 
   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
 
 
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Re: Stus-List CC NE Rendezvous 2015

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Peregrine will be there...unless I leave her in Nova Scotia next fall.

Andrew Burton
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 On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:25, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Listers,
 
   Not to distract from the great event in Newport being put together by 
 David Risch and others, I want to give you a heads-up that planning will 
 begin soon on the 2015 Northeast CC Rendezvous. 
 
   While the first year was in Mystic, the second on Block Island, and the 
 third commencing in two weeks in beautiful Newport, I would like to move the 
 event into mid Long Island Sound before attending one could mean going more 
 East and having to set our clocks back to attend. 
 
   In October, keep an eye out for a survey with questions about dates, 
 locations, events and costs. 
 
   My initial thoughts would be a summertime rendezvous in a place like 
 Clinton CT where there’s plenty of dockage, facilities, a pool, a restaurant 
 and a shuttle to shopping (Let’s face it guys, the ladies would much rather 
 hit an Outlet Mall than hear us talk about chainplates, sail trim and diesel 
 engines.) 
 
   See you in Newport!
 
 
   All the best,
 
   Edd
 
 
   Edd M. Schillay
   Starship Enterprise
   CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
   City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Sound insulation

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I found that new engine mounts really cut the noise from my engine a lot. I 
think because the old ones were hard, they were transferring a lot of the noise 
and vibration straight to the structure of the boat. 

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:05, Eric Frank via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 David,
   On Cat’s Paw, I installed special sound insulation to quiet the noise of 
 our 30 hp Perkins diesel.  Decided to make noise measurements in the cockpit, 
 the cabin just forward of the engine, and all the way forward in the V-berth 
 (using a cheap dB meter app on the iPhone).  2 inch thick sound foam with a 
 special sound-adsorbing backing on the wooden engine housing in the cabin 
 (sides, front and top) and on the sides of the cockpit lockers.  Just too 
 hard to get to the underside of the cockpit floor.  It made only a small 
 difference in sound level - maybe a dB or two (I think 3 dB is a factor of 
 2).  When talking to a professional sound person when we separated a large 
 room with wooden sliding doors in our rental apartment downstairs with 
 special sound-absorbing materials, professionally installed, I was told that 
 even a small gap in the insulation would basically make the whole thing 
 pretty ineffective.  90 percent coverage with insulation would let much more 
 than 10 percent of the sound through.  That job really worked - they left no 
 crack uncovered and it really blocks the sound. So my guess is that unless 
 every exit point surrounding the engine were insulated, it would make little 
 difference (and I left the whole cockpit floor uninsulated).  Also the engine 
 can transmit sound by vibration through the engine mounts - perhaps new ones 
 would help - have not tried that.  But as it stands, pretty disappointing.
 
 See you at the Newport rendezvous in September - I can show you what I did.
 
 Eric
 Cat's Paw
 CC 35 Mk II
 Mattapoisett, MA
 
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via
 CnC-List
 Sent: August 28, 2014 6:22 PM
 To: CNC CNC
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation
 
 Well I heard from one about the not-so-great results from installing engine
 sound insulation...anybody  else want to chime in with an opinion about
 whether it is worth it?
 
 David F. Risch
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I can't remember all the times I've had to sail a boat to the dock at the
end of a delivery.
It's good practice to sail your own boat in occasionally--just for fun--in
case one day you have to get in without an engine. I suspect most of the
people on this list know their boats well enough that they can do this
without too much trouble. It's most a matter of knowing how far the boat
will carry her way and how to slow down if you don't like the approach
speed. Fortunate;y we all have boats that are very maneuverable and that
accelerate quickly.
Using the boat for this sort of thing is all part of the fun and it's
immensely gratifying when you pull it off perfectly--especially in front of
an audience! :)

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Nobody is faulting the use of an engine.  It is just funny seeing people
 get upset about sailboats sailing instead of using their auxiliary
 propulsion.

 Arguably more people and property are damaged by improper operation of
 engine propelled watercraft.
 On Aug 28, 2014 9:57 AM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

   Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is
 meant by “marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna
 at a “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
 unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
 quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
 away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
 means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just
 become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even
 prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
 field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
 can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky



 Dwight Veinot

 CC 35MKII, Alianna

 Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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  Melody via CnC-List
 *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
 *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?




 In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
 business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
 the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
 auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
 push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
 power.

 That was the end of discussion.

 Good times.

 Cheers, Russ
 *Sweet *35-1




 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:


  In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had
 to do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without
 the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now,
 if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks
 awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada)
 gees on the side).

 Marek

 *From:* CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
 cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
 *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?

 Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have
 been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.

 Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...

 Cheers,
 Aaron R.
 1979 30-MK1
 Annapolis, MD

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of
 docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 Curious...is all the effort worth it?

 David F. Risch

 1981 40-2

 (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

 (save that one time when my outboard quit when turning into the fairway)

Which is exactly why I advocate practicing sailing in! We lose these skills
over time, so practice is necessary and far from irresponsible. Nothing
says we have to come charging in at hull speed. Try approaching with just
the jib or just the main up--it's part of getting to know your boat. It
sure beats waiting for SeaTow as your boat drifts down an grounds on the
jetty.

And in a man overboard situation, I absolutely would prefer to use the
engine. Unless it was too rough, or as very often happens in the kefuffle
of a man overboard, a line wraps around the prop. That's the reason we
ALWAYS practice MOB retreival under sail.


On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

   Just to make sure, I am far from advocating using sails to enter
 marinas. I think that in most cases this would be just irresponsible. And I
 use the engine every time coming in (save that one time when my outboard
 quit when turning into the fairway) or going out and when anchoring etc.
 And I bet that most of us would prefer to use the engine in a MOB situation
 than do it under sails alone.

 The harbours got more crowded, the slips narrower, the skills required did
 not get better and the engines did. Not to mention that we very often sail
 shorthanded.

 This does not take away from the fact that not that long ago even bigger
 vessels operated without the auxiliary power and somehow managed to do that.

 Marek

  *From:* dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:57 AM
 *To:* 'Russ  Melody' russ...@telus.net ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?


 Guess I am missing something here…maybe I don’t understand what is meant
 by “marina”.  I know it is possible to dock a 35 footer like Alianna at a
 “marina” using sails only and I have done it a time or two but under
 unfavorable wind conditions due to direction or strength in such close
 quarters I prefer to use auxiliary power and have my sails down and packed
 away before going to the dock or maybe I am missing what auxiliary power
 means to anyone in craft not outfitted with sails…or maybe I have just
 become more of a whimp and less of a purest as I grew older…hell I even
 prefer auxiliary power when tieing up to a mooring in a crowded mooring
 field and sailing off a mooring in a crowded field in some wind conditions
 can also be tricky and unnecessarily risky



 Dwight Veinot

 CC 35MKII, Alianna

 Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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  Melody via CnC-List
 *Sent:* August 28, 2014 1:47 AM
 *To:* Marek Dziedzic; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without an engine?




 In my olden days as a member of the Yacht Club's Executive Committee,
 business was brought forth to propose that sailboats must use engines in
 the marina (or something to that effect).  I pointed out that engines are
 auxiliary power on sailboats and if we are to endorse this business I will
 push that ALL vessels operating in the marina are required to use auxiliary
 power.

 That was the end of discussion.

 Good times.

 Cheers, Russ
 *Sweet *35-1




 At 07:42 PM 27/08/2014, you wrote:


  In the olden days, when I was getting my skippers certificate, we had to
 do all the manoeuvres, including getting in and out of the slip, without
 the use of the engine (and then again using it). But that art is gone. Now,
 if I tried to dock under sail there would be a crowd with pitchforks
 awaiting me on the dock (possibly with some boiling tar and a few (Canada)
 gees on the side).

 Marek

 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
 cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:33 PM
 *To:* Jerome Tauber; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?

 Under the watchful and at times frightened eyes of my neighbors, I have
 been routinely sailing into the slip without turning on the good 2QM.

 Phase II: Learn how to get out of the slip under sail...

 Cheers,
 Aaron R.
 1979 30-MK1
 Annapolis, MD

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I thought CC owners only use their engines to get in and out of
 docks. Jerry. CC 27v JJ

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 27, 2014, at 3:00 PM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 wrote:

 Curious...is all the effort worth it?

 David F. Risch

 1981 40-2

 (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List East River trip

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

None that I've encountered. Even around the bridges they seem to have relaxed. 
Of course by LGA they are still a bit fussy.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
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Newport, RI 
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 On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:24, Ebay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Planning a trip down to Jersey City in a few weeks.  I've probably done the 
 run from LI Sound to Jersey 20 times - but not in the past 8 years.
 
 Anyone have current information on security zones, etc?
 
 John
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

As well as or instead of fender washers, consider wooden battens to hold
the foam in place.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 FWIW – Gluing is not all that.  I used the same stuff and the glue for the
 job isn’t worth the price of it.  I ended up having to screw it in using
 short screws and fender washers…



 Neil

 FoxFire – CC32

 Worton Creek, MD



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 *To:* 'RPH'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com

 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?



 Robert,



 If you ever do decide to install new insulation I can share a few tricks
 to make it easier as I re-insulated the compartment in my CC 32 last year.



 I used material purchased from Defender which is reflective containing
 foam and rubber and lead which is impossible to drill holes in for mounting
 and the compartment does not allow room to swing a hammer to mount with the
 usual mounting hardware.

 If I ever did it again I would glue the stuff in.



 Anyhow, I tore the old stuff out and left in the mounting screws then made
 cardboard templets of the foam patters and put a  small amount of paint or
 magic marker on each screw head and pressed the cardboard in place. This
 gave me screw locations for the pattern and insulation. I then laid the
 pattern on the insulation to cut to shape and transferred the holes to the
 insulation using a small soldering Iron which burned through the insulation
 foam and rubber. A drill caught and twisted the foam and got caught messing
 up the insulation and took a lot of time removing. Then remove all the
 screws in the sides of the engine compartment and mount the insulation with
 fender washers on the  old screws. I then used metal backed duct tape on
 the ends and any joints of the insulation. See Arpeggio1984.info, web site
 under Projects 2013 for results. Looks and works good!



 John

 Arpeggio

 CC 32 1984

 Norwalk, CT

 *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
 cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *RPH via CnC-List
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:43 AM
 *To:* Robert Hrabinsky; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?



 Update: Tonight I removed the sound insulation from the sides of the
 engine compartment. Let me tell you - it was a dirty mess. Surprisingly, it
 is possible for a substance to be both dusty and oily at the same time. On
 the bright side, after removing the old, crumbling insulation I was able to
 give the little Yanmar and the engine compartment a good cleaning. It looks
 100% better now and I think it will be easier to keep the engine clean.



 I can't report on the noise yet as I'm waiting on an exhaust elbow at the
 moment. Even if it's a little noisier under power, I think that it may be
 worth it just to have a little more room in the engine compartment (it's
 amazing what an extra couple of inches can give you in a cramped space) .
 On the other hand, if the racket proves to be intolerable, I'll report back
 with a warning to others who might be contemplating taking the same steps.



 Thanks to everyone for the helpful feedback.



 Robert H.



  Original message 
 From: Robert Hrabinsky via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: 08-26-2014 9:28 AM (GMT-08:00)
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?

 I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible
 parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine.
 However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII.
 Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I
 am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the
 engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big
 mistake?

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Re: Stus-List varnishing

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Try regular laundry bleach first. Then you may have to carefully work with
a sharp chisel to get the old varnish off.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine



On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Bev Parslow via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Ready to start varnishing but how can I get rid of the accumulated black
 of old varnish, dirt etc around the teak on the fibre glass. I am trying to
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Re: Stus-List Ever broke the key in the ignition switch?

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My Yanmar key is on the same ring as the padlock key. Guess which my wife
started the engine with the other day.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Yanmar keys are just like Club Car golf carts keys. They are all the same.
 My dock neighbor has used my spare key off and on for years.

 Jack Fitzgerald
 CC 39 TM
 HONEY
 US 12788
 Savannah





 On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

  After finding out (the same way you folks have) that the key is easy to
 break and it is also easy to bust the switch. I then replaced it for about
 $50 and then I found out that my old key fit my new switch and, looking
 at some other Yanmar switches and finding out they are all the
 same.which means anyone with a screwdriver or any Yanmar key could
 start your boatplus realizing that if the main switch (locked inside)
 isn't on, nothing happens!

 I replaced the expensive Yanmar key switch with a simple push/pull
 switch. Now, if someone (me?) hits it with his/her feet, all it does is
 turn off the electricity to the instruments, the engine still runs.

 Gary
 - Original Message -

 *From:* coltrek via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *To:* Jean-Francois J Rivard jfriv...@us.ibm.com ;
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 8:44 PM
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ever broke the key in the ignition switch?

 I was able to get my broken key out with the broken piece and a  little
 bit of superglue.
 I did not want this to happen again, so I cut most of the spare key off,
 drilled a little hole through it and put a small ring  through it. Now,
 nothing sticks out, I just pull the ring up to rotate it.

 Bill

  Original message 
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 Date:08/25/2014 6:49 PM (GMT-05:00)
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Ever broke the key in the ignition switch?

 Yesterday, it was pretty sporty on the lake with winds in the upper
 teens, my son was rushing from the deck to the cockpit and kicked the
 engine start key /  broke it  as he stepped over to come and take the wheel
 for a while..  I could not find my spare key so I had to stick the broken
 half  back into the slot to get the engine re-started.

 Back at the marina in the evening, I tried to remove the broken piece by
 prying  / pulling  it out with a variety of small screwdrivers, drill bits.
 and other implements nothing was working and it was getting late so I
 decided to take the switch off to bring home and figure it out later.

 That's when I found out  that I was very thankful for thoughtful Yanmar
 engineers: There is a slot in the barrel directly over the key's teeth.
  All you need to do is stick a small screwdriver in the slot and push the
 offending broken piece out..

 Brillant!

 Outside of that it was a phenomenal day on the lake.  Probably the best
 sail this year so far..

 -Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, Georgia




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Re: Stus-List Engine Sound Insulation - Go Without?

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Interesting conversation. Don't you guys own SAIL boats? Mine is pretty
quiet. (at least when I'm singlehanding)

Andy
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Peregrine


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
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 What? Wha'd you say. I can't hear you.

 Oh.

 Sound insulation.

 Never mind...

 Dave
 1982 CC 37 - Ronin

 Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 26, 2014, at 13:09, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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 I don't have sound installation in Touche'.  I have a diesel.

 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA


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 I have replaced the old, crumbling sound insulation in the accessible
 parts of my engine compartment with new sound insulation from West Marine.
 However, there is almost no room on either side of my Yanmar in my 30 MKII.
 Getting new insulation in along the sides is going to be very difficult. I
 am contemplating just taking out the old insulation from the sides of the
 engine compartment and going without. Does anyone think this would be a big
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Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks

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I think the race should have been invalid. The RC screwed up. And I can't 
imagine the carnage in rounding the mark to port and then trying to get past 
all the boats approaching it!

Andy
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 On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:29, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Agree. If you race - even in fun races you should know the rules - 
 especially those that are designed to prevent expensive accidents.  On mark 
 roundings I believe the hardest part is determining when and who entered the 
 3 boat length zone first and whether an overlap existed but even this gets 
 easier if one remembers that if there is any doubt, it is assumed the inside 
 boat was overlapped and thus has rights. 
 
 Here is another rule quandary that happened at our club recently
 
 RC sets up the line with the pin on its port side. Triangular course - 
 clockwise - twice round.  Boats 1, 2  3 lead to the windward mark- remember 
 the pin was to port at the start and round the windward mark to port - 
 effectively turning through more than 360 degrees to head off on the reach to 
 the next mark. Boat 4 remembers the taught string rule ( not crossing ones 
 wake) and rounds to starboard. After the first mark, all boats round 
 subsequent marks to starboard
 
 What would the outcome be should it have gone to protest? 
 
 --
 Jonathan
 Indigo CC 35III
 SOUTHPORT CT
 
 On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:04, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 
 Alan, you make it sound simple enough as does Andrew in quoting Rule 18…if 
 it were that simple my question then is; why did David say in his write up, 
 I did not know who had rights.  Probably the other boat did not know who had 
 rights either, yet Rule 18 is not that difficult to understand as it is 
 written on paper and your explanation is easy to understand 
 too…understanding of the written rule and application of the rule on the 
 water at mark roundings is, on the other hand, often a judgement call…not 
 having knowledge of the rules or how they apply on the water or maybe even 
 having that knowledge but pushing the limits of the rule can cause 
 unecessary collisions…like I said earlier the issue is not so crystal clear 
 to me from Davids recollection of what happened but it is troublesome that 
 he did not know who had rights and maybe the same could be said for the 
 other boat yet they were still out there sailing rather expensive vessels on 
 a possible collision course in close proximity to one another…we all know 
 that sailboats don’t have very good brakes and they carry a lot of 
 momentum…it is very good however that one boat finally did give way and no 
 collision happened…racing rules can work but all sailors need to know and 
 understand how they apply in given situations and they need to obey the 
 rules or else they should take a break from racing and do some 
 study…knowledge of the rules at the start, at crossings on course and mark 
 roundings are particularly critical because that is where most collion 
 possibilities are encountered.  I do not know anything about David’s racing 
 experience but I am hoping that this event and the discussion we have had 
 here will encourage him to study the rules so that he never has to say 
 again, I did not know who had rights, and I hope we all know that we must 
 take all possible action to avoid collision with another boat regardless of 
 who has rights according to the rules of racing
  
 Dwight Veinot
 CC 35MKII, Alianna
 Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Alan 
 Bergen via CnC-List
 Sent: August 20, 2014 2:31 AM
 To: CC Photoalbum email list
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks
  
 Actually, you had an inside overlap.  There is no requirement for boats to 
 be in close proximity to one another for an overlap to exist.  You were 
 clear ahead until the other boat established an overlap to windward of you.  
 The only way for the other boat to have had rights would be if it became 
 clear ahead before either of you had entered the zone.  Since you both 
 entered the zone at around the same time, you had an inside overlap, and 
 rights at the mark.
  
 Alan Bergen
 35 Mk III Thirsty
 Rose City YC
 Portland, OR
  
 I am hoping that someone can clarify the actual rules related to an incident 
 that I was involved in last weekend.  The race was a “fun” race, so no 
 yelling, but I did not know who had rights.  We had huge wind shifts 
 approaching the windward mark and I was in a position where I was close 
 hauled, just making the mark (to port) on starboard tack.  A much larger 
 boat was approaching the mark also on starboard tack but from a different 
 direction.  He had vastly over stood the mark due to the wind shift so he 
 was coming in on a reach and due to get there at the same time as me.  We 
 both 

Re: Stus-List Up-sizing boats

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Danny, Check out this blog


http://sailingsaralane.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-05:00updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-05:00max-results=27

The CC 40 meets all your criteria except the swim platform. here's how a
friend of mine solved that before he took off for the Caribbean.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm currently in a Viking 33. I am 6'-0 tall and I cannot stand up in
 most of the boat and I'm tired of hitting my head. The wife and I are
 starting to cruise more and find that after 3 days on board we NEED to get
 off. I love how this boat sails! she handles beautifully and has a very
 slippery hull, deep keel and points like nobody's business! However we
 really want some creature comforts. Like, at least a swim platform, I think
 this can be added to the right boat, A stand-up shower and a usable galley.
 A large cockpit is also on the want list for entertaining.

 We don't race but we like to go fast.

 My thoughts are to either buy a suitable older boat and have her modified
 to what we want or go for a new boat. We like the Jeanneau 349 but my fear
 is the quality of the new boats and the composites they use. I love the
 solid hull on my viking. The wife really loves the light open feeling of
 the newer boats and I'm only even considering them for her sake.

 I'd like to start a conversation on this and hopefully come to a
 conclusion. I feel that a new boat will depreciate quickly and a refurb of
 an older boat will offer a better quality built boat overall and the value
 will remain largely the same.

 I have, until now, rehabbed 2 boats from the brink of the crusher.
 Although I enjoyed the process and have a strong sense of accomplishment, I
 don't want to do it again. I want to find a boat, have the work contracted
 out by a reputable yard and end up in a turn key situation. I'm getting a
 bit older and just want a boat, in great shape, that I can simply maintain
 and sail more than work on.

 I'm considering looking on the great lakes for a nice freshwater boat.  I
 think and older freshwater boat will potentially be in better shape than a
 newer saltwater vessel.  I think the added cost of the shipping or extended
 cruising vacation could really be worth it!!

 I'm looking forward to all the tips, suggestions and insights!!

 I guess someone is going to get a really nice V33 in Lolita!

 Danny

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Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Danny it wouldn't take much to get the boat here. I've just done that trip
a couple of times. I can help you out with logistics if you jump (but it'll
mean coming to Newport and getting together for a beer). And the trip is
easy and beautiful. Don't be put off by that.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 Okay, that is Beautiful!!

 I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here?


 -- Original Message --
 From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats
 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500

 I second Pierre's suggestion

 That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good.

 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE

 As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different
 rig)It seems it would fit the bill.

 Points like nobody's business, very comfortable:  we spend weekends and
 short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough,
 separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you
 guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6..

 And fast as heck.  We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again
 and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or
 less wind.

 We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather.  1)
 no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm.  We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our
 1st ever on our boat)  and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin
 when we had to call it quits in the storm.


 Good Luck,

 Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, Georgia




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Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

too much fun doing it on its own bottom to send the boat overland.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

   overland? some $5-$6k. Unless you find some special deals.

 Marek

  *From:* Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:02 PM
 *To:* jfriv...@us.ibm.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats

  Okay, that is Beautiful!!

 I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here?


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 From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats
 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500

 I second Pierre's suggestion

 That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good.

 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE

 As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different
 rig)It seems it would fit the bill.

 Points like nobody's business, very comfortable:  we spend weekends and
 short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough,
 separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you
 guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6..

 And fast as heck.  We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again
 and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or
 less wind.

 We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather.  1)
 no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm.  We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our
 1st ever on our boat)  and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin
 when we had to call it quits in the storm.


 Good Luck,

 Francois Rivard
 1990 34+ Take Five
 Lake Lanier, Georgia



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Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks

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18.1 When Rule 18 Applies
Rule 18 applies between boats when they are required to leave a
mark on the same side and at least one of them is in the zone.

18.2 Giving Mark-Room
(a) When boats are overlapped the outside boat shall give the
inside boat mark-room, unless rule 18.2(b) applies.
(b) If boats are overlapped when the first of them reaches the zone,
the outside boat at that moment shall thereafter give the inside
boat mark-room. If a boat is clear ahead when she reaches the
zone, the boat clear astern at that moment shall thereafter give
her mark-room.
(c) When a boat is required to give mark-room by rule 18.2(b),
(1) she shall continue to do so even if later an overlap is
broken or a new overlap begins;




On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:58 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

 I am hoping that someone can clarify the actual rules related to an
 incident that I was involved in last weekend.  The race was a “fun” race,
 so no yelling, but I did not know who had rights.  We had huge wind shifts
 approaching the windward mark and I was in a position where I was close
 hauled, just making the mark (to port) on starboard tack.  A much larger
 boat was approaching the mark also on starboard tack but from a different
 direction.  He had vastly over stood the mark due to the wind shift so he
 was coming in on a reach and due to get there at the same time as me.  We
 both entered the zone around the mark at about the same time although he
 was going faster so it was hard to tell.  After several polite requests, he
 gave me inside room.  Who has rights in that situation since there was
 never really an overlap until we both got to the mark?  Thanks- Dave

  Aries
 1990 CC 34+
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Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks

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If you're inside and not laying the mark you can head up--as long as you don't 
go past head-to-wind and still be entitled to room.

Sailing in a 30-boat one design fleet will expose you to pretty much all these 
situations!

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine

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 On Aug 19, 2014, at 17:35, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Like Edd said, you had rights as the leeward boat and, as leeward boat 
 entering the two boat length circle, you carried those rights into the 
 circle.  
 
 I would place less emphasis on rights as inside boat unless you are 
 ABSOLUTELY positive you were laying the mark.  Consider this, a boat 
 approaching the mark is claiming they are inside boat but they aren't laying 
 the mark.  They could claim they were laying the mark and were inside boat 
 and a windward boat did not grant them room to round so that they were forced 
 past the mark by the windward boat.  I've never been involved in such a 
 situation but it could happen.  The demonstration of inside boat is when it 
 actually lays and rounds the mark.
 
 Dennis C.
 Touche' 35-1 #83
 Mandeville, LA
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:58 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
 I am hoping that someone can clarify the actual rules related to an incident 
 that I was involved in last weekend.  The race was a “fun” race, so no 
 yelling, but I did not know who had rights.  We had huge wind shifts 
 approaching the windward mark and I was in a position where I was close 
 hauled, just making the mark (to port) on starboard tack.  A much larger 
 boat was approaching the mark also on starboard tack but from a different 
 direction.  He had vastly over stood the mark due to the wind shift so he 
 was coming in on a reach and due to get there at the same time as me.  We 
 both entered the zone around the mark at about the same time although he was 
 going faster so it was hard to tell.  After several polite requests, he gave 
 me inside room.  Who has rights in that situation since there was never 
 really an overlap until we both got to the mark?  Thanks- Dave
 
 Aries
 1990 CC 34+
 New London, CT
 
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Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks

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Had that happen earlier this summer. As you say, interesting and a trifle 
loud, too!


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 On Aug 19, 2014, at 19:21, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 wrote:
 
 Try having two clubs use the same government buoy as a mark with one fleet 
 rounding to stbd and the other rounding to port.
 It definitely makes things interesting.
  
 Rick Taillieu
 Nemesis
 '75 CC 25  #371
 Shearwater Yacht Club
 Halifax, NS.
  
  
  
 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
 DeYoung via CnC-List
 Sent: August-19-14 19:41
 To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks
  
  Now whether or not it is worth the fight is a whole other story.  Maybe 
  they will be in a position to give you a little leeway on the next leg.
  
 At a mark rounding I once told a Melges 32 helmsman he would need a liferaft 
 before a protest flag if he stuck his nose in there.
  
 With mixed fleets of RV class heavy displacement boats (like Calypso) along 
 with lightweight sporty boats the mark roundings can get exciting.
  
 Martin
 Calypso
 1971 CC 43
 Seattle
 
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Re: Stus-List what happened to this boat?

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Before I bought Peregrine, I looked at a 39 here. It's always been one of
my favorite boats; I agree with what Bob Perry has to say about its looks.
The one I saw here was asking $25K and was in about the same shape, except
the deck was covered with Treadmaster.
I passed.

Andy
CC 40
Peregrine


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:

  What a shame.



 Bill Coleman

 CC 39



 *Subject:* Stus-List what happened to this boat?



 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1972/C-%26-C-39-2661708/MD/United-States



 I feel like I need to drive over there with a trash bag and a shop vac.



 *Joe Della Barba*

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