Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

Also, the default templates are bad defaults. For example, "CentOS
5.3(64-bit) no GUI (XenServer)" is severely out of date and is probably
riddled with hundreds of critical vulnerabilities. We should treat our
community as informed choosers and point them to
 - well known / frequently updated builds (e.g.,
http://dl.openvm.eu/cloudstack/)
 - instructions on how to build default templates (e.g., using Packer
https://www.packer.io/docs/builders/qemu.html )


On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am all for the change, but urge you to consider this:
>  - past releases are still in use and will be affected
>  - it would be good to decouple the release of the management server from
> the release of the templates. So, let's say there is a new 'SHELLACK' bug
> in bash which needs an update to the systemvm template -- today that
> requires a new CloudStack release to address it. Instead, it would be nice
> if you could just update the systemvm and builtin templates and ask people
> to re-run some scripts.
>
> A solution that would automate something like this: https://shankerbalan.
> net/blog/seed-cloudstack-templates-offline/ would solve for most cases.
>
> Instead of download.cloud.com in the blog post, you would have  list>.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:56 AM, John Burwell <john.burw...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Chiradeep,
>>
>> I am +1 to using a mirror list downloaded from
>> downloads.cloudstack.apache.org via https only (i.e.
>> https://downloads.cloudstack.apache.org/mirror.lst).  This approach
>> seems to be a common approach employed by other Apache projects that need
>> to provided downloadable assets.  Therefore, I would imagine it would be
>> something ASF Infra would be able to support.
>>
>> It also seems like we should have a hashes of a assets hosted on
>> downloads.cloudstack.apache.org in order to allow users to verify that
>> mirror has not been corrupted.
>>
>> Anyone opposed to targeting this change for the next round of releases --
>> 4.9.2.0, 4.10.1.0, and 4.11.0.0?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -John
>>
>>
>> john.burw...@shapeblue.com
>> www.shapeblue.com
>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London VA WC2N 4HSUK
>> @shapeblue
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I believe that there is already a new site, but the software still
>> points
>> > to download.cloud.com.  There was also discussion about
>> > - building mirror sites instead of a SPOF site
>> > - eliminating the automatic download of templates and updating the
>> > documentation on use of offline templates.
>> > Older releases may not be changed, but users need to be notified and
>> > documentation needs to be updated and publicized.
>> >
>> > Thread here:
>> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cloudstack-dev/2016
>> 05.mbox/thread?4
>> >
>> > We should ask for the download.cloud.com site to be taken offline for
>> 24
>> > hours to see how many people scream, perhaps then the community will
>> swing
>> > into action?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Rajesh Ramchandani <
>> > rajesh.ramchand...@accelerite.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Are we looking for new server to host this site?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:46 PM -0700, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
>> >> chirade...@gmail.com<mailto:chirade...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bumping this. Any progress on this? download.cloud.com is not an
>> Apache
>> >> property and is subject to the whims of its owner (Citrix).
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Any progress on this? There's nearly a 100K downloads of systemvm
>> >>> templates from download.cloud.com per month. Would be a shame to
>> leave
>> >>> these folks stranded.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> +1.  we need to figure out the way forward, but this needs to be done
>> >>>> 'right' not just 'fast'.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

I am all for the change, but urge you to consider this:
 - past releases are still in use and will be affected
 - it would be good to decouple the release of the management server from
the release of the templates. So, let's say there is a new 'SHELLACK' bug
in bash which needs an update to the systemvm template -- today that
requires a new CloudStack release to address it. Instead, it would be nice
if you could just update the systemvm and builtin templates and ask people
to re-run some scripts.

A solution that would automate something like this:
https://shankerbalan.net/blog/seed-cloudstack-templates-offline/ would
solve for most cases.

Instead of download.cloud.com in the blog post, you would have .


On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 5:56 AM, John Burwell <john.burw...@shapeblue.com>
wrote:

> Chiradeep,
>
> I am +1 to using a mirror list downloaded from
> downloads.cloudstack.apache.org via https only (i.e.
> https://downloads.cloudstack.apache.org/mirror.lst).  This approach seems
> to be a common approach employed by other Apache projects that need to
> provided downloadable assets.  Therefore, I would imagine it would be
> something ASF Infra would be able to support.
>
> It also seems like we should have a hashes of a assets hosted on
> downloads.cloudstack.apache.org in order to allow users to verify that
> mirror has not been corrupted.
>
> Anyone opposed to targeting this change for the next round of releases --
> 4.9.2.0, 4.10.1.0, and 4.11.0.0?
>
> Thanks,
> -John
>
>
> john.burw...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London VA WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I believe that there is already a new site, but the software still points
> > to download.cloud.com.  There was also discussion about
> > - building mirror sites instead of a SPOF site
> > - eliminating the automatic download of templates and updating the
> > documentation on use of offline templates.
> > Older releases may not be changed, but users need to be notified and
> > documentation needs to be updated and publicized.
> >
> > Thread here:
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cloudstack-dev/
> 201605.mbox/thread?4
> >
> > We should ask for the download.cloud.com site to be taken offline for 24
> > hours to see how many people scream, perhaps then the community will
> swing
> > into action?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Rajesh Ramchandani <
> > rajesh.ramchand...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Are we looking for new server to host this site?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:46 PM -0700, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
> >> chirade...@gmail.com<mailto:chirade...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bumping this. Any progress on this? download.cloud.com is not an Apache
> >> property and is subject to the whims of its owner (Citrix).
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Any progress on this? There's nearly a 100K downloads of systemvm
> >>> templates from download.cloud.com per month. Would be a shame to leave
> >>> these folks stranded.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> +1.  we need to figure out the way forward, but this needs to be done
> >>>> 'right' not just 'fast'.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> >>>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> >>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> >>>> @shapeblue
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
> >>>> Sent: 31 May 2016 07:33
> >>>> To: CloudStack Dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >>>>
> >>>> +1, hope we will be able to discuss this at the Collab this week and
> >>>> decide on the next steps.
> >>>>
> >>>> best,
> >>>> Raja Pullela
> >>>> Senior Manager, Product Development
> >>>> Accelerate,
> >>>> 2055,Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> >>>> Phone: 1-

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[John Burwell]

Chiradeep,

I am +1 to using a mirror list downloaded from downloads.cloudstack.apache.org 
via https only (i.e. https://downloads.cloudstack.apache.org/mirror.lst).  This 
approach seems to be a common approach employed by other Apache projects that 
need to provided downloadable assets.  Therefore, I would imagine it would be 
something ASF Infra would be able to support.

It also seems like we should have a hashes of a assets hosted on 
downloads.cloudstack.apache.org in order to allow users to verify that mirror 
has not been corrupted.

Anyone opposed to targeting this change for the next round of releases -- 
4.9.2.0, 4.10.1.0, and 4.11.0.0?

Thanks,
-John


john.burw...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London VA WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
  
 

> On Nov 1, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe that there is already a new site, but the software still points
> to download.cloud.com.  There was also discussion about
> - building mirror sites instead of a SPOF site
> - eliminating the automatic download of templates and updating the
> documentation on use of offline templates.
> Older releases may not be changed, but users need to be notified and
> documentation needs to be updated and publicized.
> 
> Thread here:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cloudstack-dev/201605.mbox/thread?4
> 
> We should ask for the download.cloud.com site to be taken offline for 24
> hours to see how many people scream, perhaps then the community will swing
> into action?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Rajesh Ramchandani <
> rajesh.ramchand...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> 
>> Are we looking for new server to host this site?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:46 PM -0700, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
>> chirade...@gmail.com<mailto:chirade...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Bumping this. Any progress on this? download.cloud.com is not an Apache
>> property and is subject to the whims of its owner (Citrix).
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Any progress on this? There's nearly a 100K downloads of systemvm
>>> templates from download.cloud.com per month. Would be a shame to leave
>>> these folks stranded.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> +1.  we need to figure out the way forward, but this needs to be done
>>>> 'right' not just 'fast'.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>>> @shapeblue
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
>>>> Sent: 31 May 2016 07:33
>>>> To: CloudStack Dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>>> 
>>>> +1, hope we will be able to discuss this at the Collab this week and
>>>> decide on the next steps.
>>>> 
>>>> best,
>>>> Raja Pullela
>>>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>> Accelerate,
>>>> 2055,Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,@accelerite<http://www.
>> accelerite.com,@accelerite>
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 31, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope this gets discussed during the CloudStack Collab over the next
>>>>> few days. Again, I'd urge everybody to consider: "what if
>>>>> download.cloud.com went away next week". Waiting till some
>>>>> hypothetical last date only means that we will scramble a week before
>>>> that last date.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
>>>>> <chirade...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like:
>>>>>> a. Install System VM Templates:
>>>>>> <here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror
>>>>>> list> b. Installing other templates cloud-install

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

I believe that there is already a new site, but the software still points
to download.cloud.com.  There was also discussion about
 - building mirror sites instead of a SPOF site
 - eliminating the automatic download of templates and updating the
documentation on use of offline templates.
Older releases may not be changed, but users need to be notified and
documentation needs to be updated and publicized.

Thread here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/cloudstack-dev/201605.mbox/thread?4

We should ask for the download.cloud.com site to be taken offline for 24
hours to see how many people scream, perhaps then the community will swing
into action?



On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Rajesh Ramchandani <
rajesh.ramchand...@accelerite.com> wrote:

> Are we looking for new server to host this site?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:46 PM -0700, "Chiradeep Vittal" <
> chirade...@gmail.com<mailto:chirade...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Bumping this. Any progress on this? download.cloud.com is not an Apache
> property and is subject to the whims of its owner (Citrix).
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Any progress on this? There's nearly a 100K downloads of systemvm
> > templates from download.cloud.com per month. Would be a shame to leave
> > these folks stranded.
> >
> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> +1.  we need to figure out the way forward, but this needs to be done
> >> 'right' not just 'fast'.
> >>
> >>
> >> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> >> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
> >> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> >> @shapeblue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
> >> Sent: 31 May 2016 07:33
> >> To: CloudStack Dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> >> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >>
> >> +1, hope we will be able to discuss this at the Collab this week and
> >> decide on the next steps.
> >>
> >> best,
> >> Raja Pullela
> >> Senior Manager, Product Development
> >> Accelerate,
> >> 2055,Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> >> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,@accelerite<http://www.
> accelerite.com,@accelerite>
> >>
> >> > On May 31, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I hope this gets discussed during the CloudStack Collab over the next
> >> > few days. Again, I'd urge everybody to consider: "what if
> >> > download.cloud.com went away next week". Waiting till some
> >> > hypothetical last date only means that we will scramble a week before
> >> that last date.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
> >> > <chirade...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org
> >> >>
> >> >> Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like:
> >> >> a. Install System VM Templates:
> >> >> <here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror
> >> >> list> b. Installing other templates cloud-install-tmplt
> >> >>> enter OS (linux only)
> >> >>> Ubuntu 16.04
> >> >>   Installing...
> >> >>
> >> >> Or, step (b) could generate a cloudmonkey script.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually
> >> >>> host the mirrors in different places around the world?  A company
> >> >>> could sponsor the few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the
> >> >>> mirrors be in AWS and the mirror list in apache.org would just be
> >> >>> updated to add the AWS mirror.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Isn't that basically what we are proposing here?  The ability to
> >> >>> have different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an
> >> >>> apache.org endpoint to list the mirrors?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Rajesh Ramchandani]

Are we looking for new server to host this site?



On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:46 PM -0700, "Chiradeep Vittal" 
<chirade...@gmail.com<mailto:chirade...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Bumping this. Any progress on this? download.cloud.com is not an Apache
property and is subject to the whims of its owner (Citrix).

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Any progress on this? There's nearly a 100K downloads of systemvm
> templates from download.cloud.com per month. Would be a shame to leave
> these folks stranded.
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1.  we need to figure out the way forward, but this needs to be done
>> 'right' not just 'fast'.
>>
>>
>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>> www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com>
>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>> @shapeblue
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
>> Sent: 31 May 2016 07:33
>> To: CloudStack Dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>
>> +1, hope we will be able to discuss this at the Collab this week and
>> decide on the next steps.
>>
>> best,
>> Raja Pullela
>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>> Accelerate,
>> 2055,Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  
>> www.accelerite.com,@accelerite<http://www.accelerite.com,@accelerite>
>>
>> > On May 31, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I hope this gets discussed during the CloudStack Collab over the next
>> > few days. Again, I'd urge everybody to consider: "what if
>> > download.cloud.com went away next week". Waiting till some
>> > hypothetical last date only means that we will scramble a week before
>> that last date.
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
>> > <chirade...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org
>> >>
>> >> Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like:
>> >> a. Install System VM Templates:
>> >> <here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror
>> >> list> b. Installing other templates cloud-install-tmplt
>> >>> enter OS (linux only)
>> >>> Ubuntu 16.04
>> >>   Installing...
>> >>
>> >> Or, step (b) could generate a cloudmonkey script.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually
>> >>> host the mirrors in different places around the world?  A company
>> >>> could sponsor the few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the
>> >>> mirrors be in AWS and the mirror list in apache.org would just be
>> >>> updated to add the AWS mirror.
>> >>>
>> >>> Isn't that basically what we are proposing here?  The ability to
>> >>> have different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an
>> >>> apache.org endpoint to list the mirrors?
>> >>>
>> >>> *Will STEVENS*
>> >>> Lead Developer
>> >>>
>> >>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>> >>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|*
>> >>> tw @CloudOps_
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Daan Hoogland
>> >>> <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere
>> >>>> on apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well,
>> >>>> aren't
>> >>> we.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner <
>> >>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> >>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

Bumping this. Any progress on this? download.cloud.com is not an Apache
property and is subject to the whims of its owner (Citrix).

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Any progress on this? There's nearly a 100K downloads of systemvm
> templates from download.cloud.com per month. Would be a shame to leave
> these folks stranded.
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1.  we need to figure out the way forward, but this needs to be done
>> 'right' not just 'fast'.
>>
>>
>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>> www.shapeblue.com
>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>> @shapeblue
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
>> Sent: 31 May 2016 07:33
>> To: CloudStack Dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>
>> +1, hope we will be able to discuss this at the Collab this week and
>> decide on the next steps.
>>
>> best,
>> Raja Pullela
>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>> Accelerate,
>> 2055,Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,@accelerite
>>
>> > On May 31, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I hope this gets discussed during the CloudStack Collab over the next
>> > few days. Again, I'd urge everybody to consider: "what if
>> > download.cloud.com went away next week". Waiting till some
>> > hypothetical last date only means that we will scramble a week before
>> that last date.
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
>> > <chirade...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org
>> >>
>> >> Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like:
>> >> a. Install System VM Templates:
>> >> <here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror
>> >> list> b. Installing other templates cloud-install-tmplt
>> >>> enter OS (linux only)
>> >>> Ubuntu 16.04
>> >>   Installing...
>> >>
>> >> Or, step (b) could generate a cloudmonkey script.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually
>> >>> host the mirrors in different places around the world?  A company
>> >>> could sponsor the few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the
>> >>> mirrors be in AWS and the mirror list in apache.org would just be
>> >>> updated to add the AWS mirror.
>> >>>
>> >>> Isn't that basically what we are proposing here?  The ability to
>> >>> have different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an
>> >>> apache.org endpoint to list the mirrors?
>> >>>
>> >>> *Will STEVENS*
>> >>> Lead Developer
>> >>>
>> >>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>> >>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|*
>> >>> tw @CloudOps_
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Daan Hoogland
>> >>> <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere
>> >>>> on apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well,
>> >>>> aren't
>> >>> we.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner <
>> >>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> >>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier
>> >>>>>> (templates.cloudstack.org),
>> >>>> but
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>>>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

Any progress on this? There's nearly a 100K downloads of systemvm templates
from download.cloud.com per month. Would be a shame to leave these folks
stranded.

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
wrote:

> +1.  we need to figure out the way forward, but this needs to be done
> 'right' not just 'fast'.
>
>
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
> Sent: 31 May 2016 07:33
> To: CloudStack Dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
> +1, hope we will be able to discuss this at the Collab this week and
> decide on the next steps.
>
> best,
> Raja Pullela
> Senior Manager, Product Development
> Accelerate,
> 2055,Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,@accelerite
>
> > On May 31, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I hope this gets discussed during the CloudStack Collab over the next
> > few days. Again, I'd urge everybody to consider: "what if
> > download.cloud.com went away next week". Waiting till some
> > hypothetical last date only means that we will scramble a week before
> that last date.
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
> > <chirade...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org
> >>
> >> Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like:
> >> a. Install System VM Templates:
> >> <here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror
> >> list> b. Installing other templates cloud-install-tmplt
> >>> enter OS (linux only)
> >>> Ubuntu 16.04
> >>   Installing...
> >>
> >> Or, step (b) could generate a cloudmonkey script.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually
> >>> host the mirrors in different places around the world?  A company
> >>> could sponsor the few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the
> >>> mirrors be in AWS and the mirror list in apache.org would just be
> >>> updated to add the AWS mirror.
> >>>
> >>> Isn't that basically what we are proposing here?  The ability to
> >>> have different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an
> >>> apache.org endpoint to list the mirrors?
> >>>
> >>> *Will STEVENS*
> >>> Lead Developer
> >>>
> >>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> >>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|*
> >>> tw @CloudOps_
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Daan Hoogland
> >>> <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere
> >>>> on apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well,
> >>>> aren't
> >>> we.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner <
> >>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> >>> chirade...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier
> >>>>>> (templates.cloudstack.org),
> >>>> but
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>> realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal
> >>>> entity
> >>>>>> for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a
> >>> contract
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>> AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month).  To make this work,
> >>>>>> alternatives:
> >>>>>> (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to
> >>> operate
> >>>>> this
> >>>>>> bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to
> >>>>>> support
>

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Paul Angus]

+1.  we need to figure out the way forward, but this needs to be done 'right' 
not just 'fast'.


paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue



-Original Message-
From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] 
Sent: 31 May 2016 07:33
To: CloudStack Dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

+1, hope we will be able to discuss this at the Collab this week and decide on 
the next steps.

best,
Raja Pullela
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerate,
2055,Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com,@accelerite

> On May 31, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I hope this gets discussed during the CloudStack Collab over the next 
> few days. Again, I'd urge everybody to consider: "what if 
> download.cloud.com went away next week". Waiting till some 
> hypothetical last date only means that we will scramble a week before that 
> last date.
> 
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Chiradeep Vittal 
> <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the mirror site would be on github or apache.org
>> 
>> Step 6 in the install guide would have instructions like:
>> a. Install System VM Templates:
>> <here, cloud-install-sys-tmplt has been modified to use the mirror 
>> list> b. Installing other templates cloud-install-tmplt
>>> enter OS (linux only)
>>> Ubuntu 16.04
>>   Installing...
>> 
>> Or, step (b) could generate a cloudmonkey script.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually 
>>> host the mirrors in different places around the world?  A company 
>>> could sponsor the few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the 
>>> mirrors be in AWS and the mirror list in apache.org would just be 
>>> updated to add the AWS mirror.
>>> 
>>> Isn't that basically what we are proposing here?  The ability to 
>>> have different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an 
>>> apache.org endpoint to list the mirrors?
>>> 
>>> *Will STEVENS*
>>> Lead Developer
>>> 
>>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* 
>>> tw @CloudOps_
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Daan Hoogland 
>>> <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere 
>>>> on apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well, 
>>>> aren't
>>> we.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner < 
>>>> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier 
>>>>>> (templates.cloudstack.org),
>>>> but
>>>>> I
>>>>>> realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal
>>>> entity
>>>>>> for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a
>>> contract
>>>>> with
>>>>>> AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month).  To make this work,
>>>>>> alternatives:
>>>>>> (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to
>>> operate
>>>>> this
>>>>>> bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to 
>>>>>> support
>>> this
>>>>>> bucket, but I don't believe that it is possible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (2) Cloudstack.org gets registered as a (non-profit?) entity etc 
>>>>>> and
>>>> ACS
>>>>>> users make donations to this entity. PMC has control over the
>>> bucket.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A mirror list and a python script (e.g., [1]) sounds like a much
>>> better
>>>>>> idea :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Raise of hands:
>>>>>> Who is willing to host a mirror of systemvm templates and default 
>>>>>> templates. 

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

gt;>> templates. I figure we need at least 5, preferably all over the
>>>> world,
>>>>>>> especially in East Asia.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/284631-a-python-script-to-test-download-mirrors/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>>>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure
>>>>>>>> templates!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>>>>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> :) According to Raja, there is some time before
>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that
>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> Dec
>>>>>>>>> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what
>>>> not.
>>>>>>> Now,
>>>>>>>>> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done
>>>>>>> yesterday!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <
>>>>>> daan.hoogl...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
>>>>>>>>>> adoption.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
>>>>>>>>>> milestone
>>>>>>>>>> in a CloudStack build.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the
>>>>> template
>>>>>>>>>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation
>>>> step.
>>>>>>>>>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Angus
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>>> www.shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>>>>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
>>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is
>>>>> over.
>>>>>>> acs
>>>>&

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

ep Vittal <
>>>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure
>>>>>>> templates!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>>>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> :) According to Raja, there is some time before
>>> download.cloud.com
>>>> is
>>>>>>>> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that
>>> it
>>>> is
>>>>>> Dec
>>>>>>>> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what
>>> not.
>>>>>> Now,
>>>>>>>> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done
>>>>>> yesterday!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <
>>>>> daan.hoogl...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
>>>>>>>>> adoption.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
>>>>>>>>> milestone
>>>>>>>>> in a CloudStack build.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the
>>>> template
>>>>>>>>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation
>>> step.
>>>>>>>>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Paul Angus
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>> www.shapeblue.com
>>>>>>>>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>>>>>>>>> @shapeblue
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>>>> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
>>>>>>>>>> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
>>>> download.cloud.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is
>>>> over.
>>>>>> acs
>>>>>>>>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not
>>> put
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>>>>>>>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you have to define "worry" :)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm proposing an almost identical step to
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> http://docs.cloudstack.a

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

s Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that
>> it
>> > is
>> > > > Dec
>> > > > >> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what
>> not.
>> > > > Now,
>> > > > >> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done
>> > > > yesterday!
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <
>> > > daan.hoogl...@gmail.com
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
>> > > > >>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
>> > > > >>> adoption.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
>> > > > >>> milestone
>> > > > >>> in a CloudStack build.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the
>> > template
>> > > > >>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation
>> step.
>> > > > >>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > Kind regards,
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > Paul Angus
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > www.shapeblue.com
>> > > > >>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>> > > > >>> > @shapeblue
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > -Original Message-
>> > > > >>> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>> > > > >>> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
>> > > > >>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>> > > > >>> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
>> > download.cloud.com
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is
>> > over.
>> > > > acs
>> > > > >>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not
>> put
>> > > it
>> > > > >>> in a
>> > > > >>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> > > > >>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>> > > > >>> > wrote:
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > > Well, you have to define "worry" :)
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>>
>> > >
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
>> > > > >>> > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they
>> > can
>> > > > >>> > > download the default template in a similar manner. The
>> > > > >>> > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do
>> the
>> > > > mirror
>> > > > >>> > > checking etc.
>> > > > >>> > >
>> > > > >>> > >
&

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

t; >>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
> > > > >>> adoption.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
> > > > >>> milestone
> > > > >>> in a CloudStack build.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the
> > template
> > > > >>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation
> step.
> > > > >>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Kind regards,
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Paul Angus
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > >>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > > >>> > @shapeblue
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > -Original Message-
> > > > >>> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
> > > > >>> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
> > > > >>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > > >>> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from
> > download.cloud.com
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is
> > over.
> > > > acs
> > > > >>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not
> put
> > > it
> > > > >>> in a
> > > > >>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> > > > >>> chirade...@gmail.com>
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > > Well, you have to define "worry" :)
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>>
> > > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
> > > > >>> > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they
> > can
> > > > >>> > > download the default template in a similar manner. The
> > > > >>> > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the
> > > > mirror
> > > > >>> > > checking etc.
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <
> > > > wstev...@cloudops.com
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > > wrote:
> > > > >>> > >
> > > > >>> > > > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a
> > PoC
> > > > >>> > > > should
> > > > >>> > > have
> > > > >>> > > > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.
> > I
> > > > >>> think
> > > > >>> > > > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.
> > Getting
> > > > the
> > > > >>> > > > first boot process from download to first VM launched
> should
> > be
> > > > as
> > > > >>> > > > smooth as
> > > > >>> > > possible.
> > > > >>> > > >
> > > > >>>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Will Stevens]

Cant we just host the mirror list in apache.org and then actually host the
mirrors in different places around the world?  A company could sponsor the
few bucks a month for AWS and have one of the mirrors be in AWS and the
mirror list in apache.org would just be updated to add the AWS mirror.

Isn't that basically what we are proposing here?  The ability to have
different mirrors with the 'official' endpoint being in an apache.org
endpoint to list the mirrors?

*Will STEVENS*
Lead Developer

*CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere on
> apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well, aren't we.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner <
> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier (templates.cloudstack.org),
> but
> > I
> > > realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal
> entity
> > > for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a contract
> > with
> > > AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month).  To make this work,
> > > alternatives:
> > >  (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to operate
> > this
> > > bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to support this
> > > bucket, but I don't believe that it is possible.
> > >
> > > (2) Cloudstack.org gets registered as a (non-profit?) entity etc and
> ACS
> > > users make donations to this entity. PMC has control over the bucket.
> > >
> > > A mirror list and a python script (e.g., [1]) sounds like a much better
> > > idea :)
> > >
> > > Raise of hands:
> > > Who is willing to host a mirror of systemvm templates and default
> > > templates. I figure we need at least 5, preferably all over the world,
> > > especially in East Asia.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/284631-a-python-script-to-test-download-mirrors/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> chirade...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure
> > > > templates!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> > chirade...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> :) According to Raja, there is some time before download.cloud.com
> is
> > > >> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that it
> is
> > > Dec
> > > >> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what not.
> > > Now,
> > > >> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done
> > > yesterday!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <
> > daan.hoogl...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
> > > >>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
> > > >>> adoption.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
> > > >>> milestone
> > > >>> in a CloudStack build.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the
> template
> > > >>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation step.
> > > >>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Kind regards,

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Daan Hoogland]

is there no way, within foundation bylaws, to host this somewhere on
apache.org? we are using peoples wibesites for tests as well, aren't we.

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Rafael Weingärtner <
rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier (templates.cloudstack.org), but
> I
> > realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal entity
> > for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a contract
> with
> > AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month).  To make this work,
> > alternatives:
> >  (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to operate
> this
> > bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to support this
> > bucket, but I don't believe that it is possible.
> >
> > (2) Cloudstack.org gets registered as a (non-profit?) entity etc and ACS
> > users make donations to this entity. PMC has control over the bucket.
> >
> > A mirror list and a python script (e.g., [1]) sounds like a much better
> > idea :)
> >
> > Raise of hands:
> > Who is willing to host a mirror of systemvm templates and default
> > templates. I figure we need at least 5, preferably all over the world,
> > especially in East Asia.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/284631-a-python-script-to-test-download-mirrors/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure
> > > templates!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> chirade...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> :) According to Raja, there is some time before download.cloud.com is
> > >> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that it is
> > Dec
> > >> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what not.
> > Now,
> > >> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done
> > yesterday!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <
> daan.hoogl...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
> > >>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
> > >>> adoption.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
> > >>> milestone
> > >>> in a CloudStack build.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the template
> > >>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation step.
> > >>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
> > >>>
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Kind regards,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Paul Angus
> > >>> >
> > >>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > >>> > www.shapeblue.com
> > >>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > >>> > @shapeblue
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > -Original Message-
> > >>> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
> > >>> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
> > >>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > >>> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > >>> >
> > >>> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over.
> > acs
> > >>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put
> it
> > >>> in a
> > >>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Ch

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Rafael Weingärtner]

We could host a mirror here. We are in South America, Brazil.

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier (templates.cloudstack.org), but I
> realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal entity
> for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a contract with
> AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month).  To make this work,
> alternatives:
>  (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to operate this
> bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to support this
> bucket, but I don't believe that it is possible.
>
> (2) Cloudstack.org gets registered as a (non-profit?) entity etc and ACS
> users make donations to this entity. PMC has control over the bucket.
>
> A mirror list and a python script (e.g., [1]) sounds like a much better
> idea :)
>
> Raise of hands:
> Who is willing to host a mirror of systemvm templates and default
> templates. I figure we need at least 5, preferably all over the world,
> especially in East Asia.
>
> [1]
>
> http://code.activestate.com/recipes/284631-a-python-script-to-test-download-mirrors/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure
> > templates!
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> :) According to Raja, there is some time before download.cloud.com is
> >> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that it is
> Dec
> >> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what not.
> Now,
> >> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done
> yesterday!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
> >>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
> >>> >
> >>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
> >>> adoption.
> >>> >
> >>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
> >>> milestone
> >>> in a CloudStack build.
> >>> >
> >>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the template
> >>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation step.
> >>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > Kind regards,
> >>> >
> >>> > Paul Angus
> >>> >
> >>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> >>> > www.shapeblue.com
> >>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> >>> > @shapeblue
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -Original Message-
> >>> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
> >>> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
> >>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> >>> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >>> >
> >>> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over.
> acs
> >>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put it
> >>> in a
> >>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> >>> chirade...@gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Well, you have to define "worry" :)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
> >>> > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can
> >>> > > download the default template in a similar manner. The
> >>> > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) scrip

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

I was proposing a new S3 bucket earlier (templates.cloudstack.org), but I
realized that someone needs to own the account. There is no legal entity
for Apache CloudStack (except the ASF) that can enter into a contract with
AWS (even if it is for a few bucks a month).  To make this work,
alternatives:
 (1) ASF Infra creates this bucket and IAM keys to the PMC to operate this
bucket. ACS users might want to make targeted donations to support this
bucket, but I don't believe that it is possible.

(2) Cloudstack.org gets registered as a (non-profit?) entity etc and ACS
users make donations to this entity. PMC has control over the bucket.

A mirror list and a python script (e.g., [1]) sounds like a much better
idea :)

Raise of hands:
Who is willing to host a mirror of systemvm templates and default
templates. I figure we need at least 5, preferably all over the world,
especially in East Asia.

[1]
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/284631-a-python-script-to-test-download-mirrors/





On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure
> templates!
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> :) According to Raja, there is some time before download.cloud.com is
>> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that it is Dec
>> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what not. Now,
>> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done yesterday!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
>>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
>>> >
>>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform
>>> adoption.
>>> >
>>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good
>>> milestone
>>> in a CloudStack build.
>>> >
>>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the template
>>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation step.
>>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Kind regards,
>>> >
>>> > Paul Angus
>>> >
>>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>> > www.shapeblue.com
>>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>> > @shapeblue
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
>>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>>> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>> >
>>> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over. acs
>>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put it
>>> in a
>>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Well, you have to define "worry" :)
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
>>> > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
>>> > >
>>> > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can
>>> > > download the default template in a similar manner. The
>>> > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the mirror
>>> > > checking etc.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com
>>> >
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a PoC
>>> > > > should
>>> > > have
>>> > > > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.  I
>>> think
>>> > > > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.  Getting the
>>> >

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

Agree with Daan : we shouldn't be pushing these ancient insecure templates!


On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> :) According to Raja, there is some time before download.cloud.com is
> doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that it is Dec
> 25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what not. Now,
> just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done yesterday!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
>> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
>> >
>> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform adoption.
>> >
>> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good milestone
>> in a CloudStack build.
>> >
>> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the template
>> itself if required rather than making it a user installation step.
>> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
>>
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> > Paul Angus
>> >
>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>> > www.shapeblue.com
>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>> > @shapeblue
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
>> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
>> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>> >
>> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over. acs
>> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put it in
>> a
>> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> chirade...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Well, you have to define "worry" :)
>> > >
>> > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to
>> > >
>> > >
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
>> > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
>> > >
>> > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can
>> > > download the default template in a similar manner. The
>> > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the mirror
>> > > checking etc.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a PoC
>> > > > should
>> > > have
>> > > > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.  I think
>> > > > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.  Getting the
>> > > > first boot process from download to first VM launched should be as
>> > > > smooth as
>> > > possible.
>> > > >
>> > > > *Will STEVENS*
>> > > > Lead Developer
>> > > >
>> > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>> > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|*
>> > > > tw @CloudOps_
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland
>> > > > <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Chiradeep,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest
>> > > template
>> > > > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of
>> > > > > meta-data pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template
>> > > > > (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way.
>> Would you agree?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
>> > > chirade...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Pierre,
>> > > > > > I meant the auto-download 

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

:) According to Raja, there is some time before download.cloud.com is
doomed. Let's pretend that date is Jan 1 2017. Now pretend that it is Dec
25, 2016 and we're still debating mirror list vs steps and what not. Now,
just change the 2017 to 2016 and re-consider. We need this done yesterday!







On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 1:53 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> send by tablet, no warranties in existence
> On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
> >
> > I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform adoption.
> >
> > The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good milestone
> in a CloudStack build.
> >
> > To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the template
> itself if required rather than making it a user installation step.
> great idea, looking forward to your PR.
>
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Paul Angus
> >
> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> > sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over. acs
> is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put it in a
> different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well, you have to define "worry" :)
> > >
> > > I'm proposing an almost identical step to
> > >
> > > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
> > > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
> > >
> > > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can
> > > download the default template in a similar manner. The
> > > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the mirror
> > > checking etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a PoC
> > > > should
> > > have
> > > > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.  I think
> > > > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.  Getting the
> > > > first boot process from download to first VM launched should be as
> > > > smooth as
> > > possible.
> > > >
> > > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > > Lead Developer
> > > >
> > > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|*
> > > > tw @CloudOps_
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland
> > > > <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Chiradeep,
> > > > >
> > > > > It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest
> > > template
> > > > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of
> > > > > meta-data pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template
> > > > > (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way.
> Would you agree?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> > > chirade...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Pierre,
> > > > > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm.
> > > > > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be
> > > > > > hand-downloaded
> > > > anyway.
> > > > > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is
> > > needed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <
> > > pd...@cloudops.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodo

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Daan Hoogland]

send by tablet, no warranties in existence
On 20 May 2016 09:29, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>
> I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.
>
> I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform adoption.
>
> The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good milestone
in a CloudStack build.
>
> To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the template
itself if required rather than making it a user installation step.
great idea, looking forward to your PR.

>
> Kind regards,
>
> Paul Angus
>
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
> sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over. acs
is a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put it in a
different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well, you have to define "worry" :)
> >
> > I'm proposing an almost identical step to
> >
> > http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
> > 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
> >
> > If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can
> > download the default template in a similar manner. The
> > "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the mirror
> > checking etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a PoC
> > > should
> > have
> > > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.  I think
> > > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.  Getting the
> > > first boot process from download to first VM launched should be as
> > > smooth as
> > possible.
> > >
> > > *Will STEVENS*
> > > Lead Developer
> > >
> > > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|*
> > > tw @CloudOps_
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland
> > > <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chiradeep,
> > > >
> > > > It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest
> > template
> > > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of
> > > > meta-data pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template
> > > > (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way.
Would you agree?
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> > chirade...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Pierre,
> > > > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm.
> > > > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be
> > > > > hand-downloaded
> > > anyway.
> > > > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is
> > needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <
> > pd...@cloudops.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm
> > > > template,
> > > > > > has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system.
> > > > > > although, the download URL should be a configurable value,
> > > > > > maybe
> > in a
> > > > > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install
command.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking
> > > > > > at
> > > > getting
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got
> > > > > > no objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community
> > services
> > > > so
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > pretty sure we would be ok to use 

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Paul Angus]

I'm a -1 on adding another step to the installation process.

I agree with Will, it will only be another barrier to platform adoption.

The SSVM going and downloading the built-in template is a good milestone in a 
CloudStack build.

To be honest the mgmt. server should be able to go get the template itself if 
required rather than making it a user installation step.

Kind regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue



-Original Message-
From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2016 23:06
To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over. acs is a 
complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put it in a 
different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, you have to define "worry" :)
>
> I'm proposing an almost identical step to
>
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
> 4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
>
> If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can 
> download the default template in a similar manner. The 
> "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the mirror 
> checking etc.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a PoC 
> > should
> have
> > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.  I think 
> > that is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.  Getting the 
> > first boot process from download to first VM launched should be as 
> > smooth as
> possible.
> >
> > *Will STEVENS*
> > Lead Developer
> >
> > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* 
> > tw @CloudOps_
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland 
> > <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Chiradeep,
> > >
> > > It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest
> template
> > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of 
> > > meta-data pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template 
> > > (symlink) for trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way. Would 
> > > you agree?
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> chirade...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pierre,
> > > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm.
> > > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be 
> > > > hand-downloaded
> > anyway.
> > > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is
> needed.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <
> pd...@cloudops.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm
> > > template,
> > > > > has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system.
> > > > > although, the download URL should be a configurable value, 
> > > > > maybe
> in a
> > > > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install command.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking 
> > > > > at
> > > getting
> > > > > the
> > > > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got 
> > > > > no objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community
> services
> > > so
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, 
> > > > > where
> > would
> > > > we
> > > > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? 
> > > > > could we
> ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > PL
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Erik
> > > > > &

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Daan Hoogland]

sounds good, so if we put both sections together the worry is over. acs is
a complex system and requires a lot of reading so let''s not put it in a
different section. would be duplicate code anyhow.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, you have to define "worry" :)
>
> I'm proposing an almost identical step to
>
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template
>
> If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can download
> the default template in a similar manner. The
> "cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the mirror
> checking etc.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a PoC should
> have
> > to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.  I think that
> > is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.  Getting the first boot
> > process from download to first VM launched should be as smooth as
> possible.
> >
> > *Will STEVENS*
> > Lead Developer
> >
> > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> > w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Chiradeep,
> > >
> > > It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest
> template
> > > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of meta-data
> > > pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template (symlink) for
> > > trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way. Would you agree?
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <
> chirade...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pierre,
> > > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm.
> > > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be hand-downloaded
> > anyway.
> > > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is
> needed.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <
> pd...@cloudops.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm
> > > template,
> > > > > has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system.
> > > > > although, the download URL should be a configurable value, maybe
> in a
> > > > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install command.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking at
> > > getting
> > > > > the
> > > > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got no
> > > > > objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community
> services
> > > so
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, where
> > would
> > > > we
> > > > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? could we
> ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > PL
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Erik
> > > > > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We
> could
> > > even
> > > > > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've
> just
> > > > > > downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time" scenario
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > > > Giles
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > > > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > >

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

Well, you have to define "worry" :)

I'm proposing an almost identical step to
http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6/management-server/#prepare-the-system-vm-template

If they can do that, then it is not a stretch to assume they can download
the default template in a similar manner. The
"cloud-install-default-template" (proposed) script can do the mirror
checking etc.




On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com> wrote:

> I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a PoC should have
> to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.  I think that
> is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.  Getting the first boot
> process from download to first VM launched should be as smooth as possible.
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Chiradeep,
> >
> > It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest template
> > still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of meta-data
> > pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template (symlink) for
> > trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way. Would you agree?
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Pierre,
> > > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm.
> > > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be hand-downloaded
> anyway.
> > > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is needed.
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm
> > template,
> > > > has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system.
> > > > although, the download URL should be a configurable value, maybe in a
> > > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install command.
> > > >
> > > > I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking at
> > getting
> > > > the
> > > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got no
> > > > objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community services
> > so
> > > > I'm
> > > > pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, where
> would
> > > we
> > > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? could we ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > PL
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Erik
> > > > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We could
> > even
> > > > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records
> > > > >
> > > > > The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've just
> > > > > downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time" scenario
> > > > >
> > > > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > > Giles
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > > > @shapeblue
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
> > > > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > > > >
> > > > > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't all
> > that
> > > > > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the appropriate db
> > > records.
> > > > >
> > > > > We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by Google
> > and
>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Will Stevens]

I definitely agree with this.  I don't think people doing a PoC should have
to worry about getting a template installed on first setup.  I think that
is a basic feature if we want platform adoption.  Getting the first boot
process from download to first VM launched should be as smooth as possible.

*Will STEVENS*
Lead Developer

*CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chiradeep,
>
> It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest template
> still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of meta-data
> pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template (symlink) for
> trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way. Would you agree?
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Pierre,
> > I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm.
> > Note that the initial systemvm template has to be hand-downloaded anyway.
> > If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is needed.
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm
> template,
> > > has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system.
> > > although, the download URL should be a configurable value, maybe in a
> > > property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install command.
> > >
> > > I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking at
> getting
> > > the
> > > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got no
> > > objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community services
> so
> > > I'm
> > > pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, where would
> > we
> > > setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? could we ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > PL
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Erik
> > > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We could
> even
> > > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records
> > > >
> > > > The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've just
> > > > downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time" scenario
> > > >
> > > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards
> > > > Giles
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > > @shapeblue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
> > > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > > >
> > > > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't all
> that
> > > > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the appropriate db
> > records.
> > > >
> > > > We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by Google
> and
> > > > other search engines, so that when somebody running old installations
> > hit
> > > > this issue they find the workaround.
> > > > There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of the fix
> > > > necessary.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Erik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the
> > current
> > > > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it
> being
> > > > there
> > > > > another year ?
> > > > >
> > > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > > initial
> > > > > build/startup and then p

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Daan Hoogland]

Chiradeep,

It makes sense not to have this old default very insecure guest template
still be downloaded but it would be nice to have some kind of meta-data
pointing to the latest version of an acceptable template (symlink) for
trial installs so PoCcers are swiftly on their way. Would you agree?

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Pierre,
> I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm.
> Note that the initial systemvm template has to be hand-downloaded anyway.
> If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is needed.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm template,
> > has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system.
> > although, the download URL should be a configurable value, maybe in a
> > property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install command.
> >
> > I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking at getting
> > the
> > DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got no
> > objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community services so
> > I'm
> > pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, where would
> we
> > setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? could we ?
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > PL
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Erik
> > > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We could even
> > > release a tiny patch to update the DB records
> > >
> > > The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've just
> > > downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time" scenario
> > >
> > > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind Regards
> > > Giles
> > >
> > >
> > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
> > > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > >
> > > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't all that
> > > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the appropriate db
> records.
> > >
> > > We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by Google and
> > > other search engines, so that when somebody running old installations
> hit
> > > this issue they find the workaround.
> > > There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of the fix
> > > necessary.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Erik
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <
> > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the
> current
> > > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
> > > there
> > > > another year ?
> > > >
> > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > initial
> > > > build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a
> > new
> > > > zone
> > > >
> > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues
> as
> > > and
> > > > when users make config changes
> > > >
> > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template
> from
> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > >
> > > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > > environment
> > > > is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix
> the
> > > > initial install
> > > >
> > > > #notideal
> > > >
> > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
> the
> > > > software

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

Pierre,
I meant the auto-download of default templates, not systemvm.
Note that the initial systemvm template has to be hand-downloaded anyway.
If you are a single hypervisor cloud, then that is all that is needed.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com>
wrote:

> I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm template,
> has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system.
> although, the download URL should be a configurable value, maybe in a
> property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install command.
>
> I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking at getting
> the
> DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got no
> objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community services so
> I'm
> pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, where would we
> setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? could we ?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> PL
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Erik
> > I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We could even
> > release a tiny patch to update the DB records
> >
> > The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've just
> > downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time" scenario
> >
> > But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Giles
> >
> >
> > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
> > To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> > As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't all that
> > troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the appropriate db records.
> >
> > We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by Google and
> > other search engines, so that when somebody running old installations hit
> > this issue they find the workaround.
> > There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of the fix
> > necessary.
> >
> > --
> > Erik
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
> > there
> > > another year ?
> > >
> > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> initial
> > > build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a
> new
> > > zone
> > >
> > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as
> > and
> > > when users make config changes
> > >
> > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> > > download.cloud.com
> > >
> > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > environment
> > > is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix the
> > > initial install
> > >
> > > #notideal
> > >
> > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to the
> > > software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries
> which
> > > ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that
> just
> > > wont happen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> > > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and
> arguably a
> > > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> > >
> > >
> > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories.
> We
> > > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always
> opened
> > up
> > > as publ

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Pierre-Luc Dion]

I would be -1 about disabling the autodownload of the systemvm template,
has this should be simplify deployment of a cloudstack system.
although, the download URL should be a configurable value, maybe in a
property file or thru the API somehow or via a pre-install command.

I really like  download.cloudstack.org + mirror. I'm looking at getting the
DNS entry: builds.cloudstack.org for the new Jenkins and I got no
objections on using the cloudstack.org domain for community services so I'm
pretty sure we would be ok to use download.cloudstack.org, where would we
setting this up? on the current webserver of our website? could we ?


Cheers,

PL

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>
wrote:

> Erik
> I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We could even
> release a tiny patch to update the DB records
>
> The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've just
> downloaded cloudstack  thing for the first time" scenario
>
> But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Giles
>
>
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
> As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't all that
> troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the appropriate db records.
>
> We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by Google and
> other search engines, so that when somebody running old installations hit
> this issue they find the workaround.
> There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of the fix
> necessary.
>
> --
> Erik
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
> there
> > another year ?
> >
> > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at initial
> > build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a new
> > zone
> >
> > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as
> and
> > when users make config changes
> >
> > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> > download.cloud.com
> >
> > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> environment
> > is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix the
> > initial install
> >
> > #notideal
> >
> > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to the
> > software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries which
> > ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that just
> > wont happen
> >
> >
> >
> > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> > issue.
> >
> > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> >
> >
> > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We
> > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened
> up
> > as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain
> name
> > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> >
> >
> > Thoughts on how to fix this:
> >
> > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry
> download.cloudstack.org.
> > Its under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd party it could
> > be allowed
> >
> > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a new
> > location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies on
> > ongoing goodwill)
> >
> > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on install.
> > We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could then get the
> > templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow people to
> > choose which one 

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Giles Sirett]

Erik
I agree on the existing users - not the end of the world. We could even release 
a tiny patch to update the DB records

The piece that we need to be really careful with is the "I've just downloaded 
cloudstack  thing for the first time" scenario 

But - there seems to be plenty of good ideas flowing on that


Kind Regards
Giles


giles.sir...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue



-Original Message-
From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2016 09:32
To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't all that 
troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the appropriate db records.

We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by Google and other 
search engines, so that when somebody running old installations hit this issue 
they find the workaround.
There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of the fix necessary.

--
Erik


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>
wrote:

> This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there
> another year ?
>
> It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at initial
> build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a new
> zone
>
> So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as and
> when users make config changes
>
> The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> download.cloud.com
>
> My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an environment
> is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix the
> initial install
>
> #notideal
>
> Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to the
> software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries which
> ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that just
> wont happen
>
>
>
> Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> issue.
>
> So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
>
>
> We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We
> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up
> as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name
> (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
>
>
> Thoughts on how to fix this:
>
> 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry download.cloudstack.org.
> Its under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd party it could
> be allowed
>
> 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a new
> location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies on
> ongoing goodwill)
>
> 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on install.
> We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could then get the
> templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow people to
> choose which one they use
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Giles
>
>
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Will Stevens
> Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
> @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it
> going forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
> I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out
> there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes
> down, those installs have to be updated.
>
> Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting
> from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw
> @CloudOps_
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 P

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Erik Weber]

As a user (with old ACS installations) I'd say that this isn't all that
troublesome, this is easily fixed by updating the appropriate db records.

We should ensure that we have some good posts discovered by Google and
other search engines, so that when somebody running old installations hit
this issue they find the workaround.
There's a lot of time to reach out to users and inform of the fix necessary.

-- 
Erik


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>
wrote:

> This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there
> another year ?
>
> It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at initial
> build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a new
> zone
>
> So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as and
> when users make config changes
>
> The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> download.cloud.com
>
> My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an environment
> is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix the
> initial install
>
> #notideal
>
> Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to the
> software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries which
> ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that just
> wont happen
>
>
>
> Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> issue.
>
> So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
>
>
> We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We
> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up
> as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name
> (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
>
>
> Thoughts on how to fix this:
>
> 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry download.cloudstack.org.
> Its under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd party it could
> be allowed
>
> 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a new
> location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies on
> ongoing goodwill)
>
> 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on install.
> We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could then get the
> templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow people to
> choose which one they use
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Giles
>
>
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Will Stevens
> Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
> @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it
> going forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
> I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out
> there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes
> down, those installs have to be updated.
>
> Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting
> from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw
> @CloudOps_
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning)
> > level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - would
> > it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party
> > whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to
> > implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled
> > CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this
> > long term.
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
> > <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> > > Paul,

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Nux!]

+1 for disabling the default template download, it's the easiest/simplest way.

With regards to seeding if we decide to go with that, I'm sure Wido's 
cloudstack.apt-get.eu has sufficient bw, already several community members have 
access there (I think) and it's running an rsync server, too.

--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!

Nux!
www.nux.ro

- Original Message -
> From: "Chiradeep Vittal" <chirade...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Thursday, 19 May, 2016 06:22:45
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

> Changing the download code to use the mirror is quite involved. Should we
> just disable (remove from templates.sql) download of default templates and
> advise people to use the method outlined here.
> http://shankerbalan.net/blog/seed-cloudstack-templates-offline/
> 
> (actually, we could write a script similar to cloud-install-sys-tmplt to
> install default templates)
> 
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Mirrors still require a "seed" site, right? E.g., msync.centos.org is the
>> seed for CentOS. Depending on the number of mirrors, this seed site would
>> still require a non-trivial bandwidth limit and cap.
>> How soon can the mirror be set up? This week? :)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Inline...
>>>
>>> *Will STEVENS*
>>> Lead Developer
>>>
>>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
>>> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > The mirrolist is a great idea. There's 2 issues though:
>>> >
>>> > 1. Already released ACS releases in the wild will continue to attempt to
>>> > download from download.cloud.com whenever a zone is created. These old
>>> > releases cannot understand mirror lists. But users can be advised to
>>> patch
>>> > templates.sql to point to an alternate location. The question is what is
>>> > this alternate location? I propose "templates.cloudstack.org/old"
>>> >
>>>
>>> ​If they patch, maybe they can pull one of the URLs from the mirror list?
>>> That way we don't have to hardcode a specific mirror into the patch
>>> procedure.​
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > 2. New releases of ACS. The next release of ACS has to support the
>>> mirror
>>> > list, otherwise we're kicking the can too far down the road.
>>> >
>>>
>>> ​I agree, we will need to get this feature into ACS ASAP.​
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > For (1)
>>> > * templates.cloudstack.org/old could redirect (A record) to
>>> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu . Or the project could use AWS S3 (as
>>> > download.cloud.com is currently hosted in S3). Current bill is $40-50
>>> per
>>> > month (between 7GB-40GB downloaded per day). I like the S3 approach
>>> myself
>>> > but it needs the project to cough up some money or a benevolent sponsor.
>>> > There's quite a few organizations making money off of ACS, so this
>>> > shouldn't be a problem?
>>> > ​
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> > For (2)
>>> > * Assuming somebody steps up to write the new code, we need to find
>>> > sponsors that can host the mirrors.
>>> >
>>> > As somebody said earlier, this needs to happen much sooner than later.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
>>> > > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json
>>> in it
>>> > > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
>>> > mirrors
>>> > > at will.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Kind regards,
>>> > >
>>> > > Paul Angus
>>> > >
>>> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>> > > www.shapeblue.com
>>> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>> > > @shapeblue
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

Changing the download code to use the mirror is quite involved. Should we
just disable (remove from templates.sql) download of default templates and
advise people to use the method outlined here.
http://shankerbalan.net/blog/seed-cloudstack-templates-offline/

(actually, we could write a script similar to cloud-install-sys-tmplt to
install default templates)

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mirrors still require a "seed" site, right? E.g., msync.centos.org is the
> seed for CentOS. Depending on the number of mirrors, this seed site would
> still require a non-trivial bandwidth limit and cap.
> How soon can the mirror be set up? This week? :)
>
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Inline...
>>
>> *Will STEVENS*
>> Lead Developer
>>
>> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
>> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
>> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The mirrolist is a great idea. There's 2 issues though:
>> >
>> > 1. Already released ACS releases in the wild will continue to attempt to
>> > download from download.cloud.com whenever a zone is created. These old
>> > releases cannot understand mirror lists. But users can be advised to
>> patch
>> > templates.sql to point to an alternate location. The question is what is
>> > this alternate location? I propose "templates.cloudstack.org/old"
>> >
>>
>> ​If they patch, maybe they can pull one of the URLs from the mirror list?
>> That way we don't have to hardcode a specific mirror into the patch
>> procedure.​
>>
>>
>> >
>> > 2. New releases of ACS. The next release of ACS has to support the
>> mirror
>> > list, otherwise we're kicking the can too far down the road.
>> >
>>
>> ​I agree, we will need to get this feature into ACS ASAP.​
>>
>>
>> >
>> > For (1)
>> > * templates.cloudstack.org/old could redirect (A record) to
>> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu . Or the project could use AWS S3 (as
>> > download.cloud.com is currently hosted in S3). Current bill is $40-50
>> per
>> > month (between 7GB-40GB downloaded per day). I like the S3 approach
>> myself
>> > but it needs the project to cough up some money or a benevolent sponsor.
>> > There's quite a few organizations making money off of ACS, so this
>> > shouldn't be a problem?
>> > ​
>> >
>>
>>
>> > For (2)
>> > * Assuming somebody steps up to write the new code, we need to find
>> > sponsors that can host the mirrors.
>> >
>> > As somebody said earlier, this needs to happen much sooner than later.
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
>> > > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json
>> in it
>> > > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
>> > mirrors
>> > > at will.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Kind regards,
>> > >
>> > > Paul Angus
>> > >
>> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>> > > www.shapeblue.com
>> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>> > > @shapeblue
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl]
>> > > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
>> > > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>;
>> dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <
>> > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
>> > > >:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the
>> current
>> > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
>> > there
>> > > another year ?
>> > > >
>> > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
>> > > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

Mirrors still require a "seed" site, right? E.g., msync.centos.org is the
seed for CentOS. Depending on the number of mirrors, this seed site would
still require a non-trivial bandwidth limit and cap.
How soon can the mirror be set up? This week? :)


On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Will Stevens <wstev...@cloudops.com>
wrote:

> Inline...
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The mirrolist is a great idea. There's 2 issues though:
> >
> > 1. Already released ACS releases in the wild will continue to attempt to
> > download from download.cloud.com whenever a zone is created. These old
> > releases cannot understand mirror lists. But users can be advised to
> patch
> > templates.sql to point to an alternate location. The question is what is
> > this alternate location? I propose "templates.cloudstack.org/old"
> >
>
> ​If they patch, maybe they can pull one of the URLs from the mirror list?
> That way we don't have to hardcode a specific mirror into the patch
> procedure.​
>
>
> >
> > 2. New releases of ACS. The next release of ACS has to support the mirror
> > list, otherwise we're kicking the can too far down the road.
> >
>
> ​I agree, we will need to get this feature into ACS ASAP.​
>
>
> >
> > For (1)
> > * templates.cloudstack.org/old could redirect (A record) to
> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu . Or the project could use AWS S3 (as
> > download.cloud.com is currently hosted in S3). Current bill is $40-50
> per
> > month (between 7GB-40GB downloaded per day). I like the S3 approach
> myself
> > but it needs the project to cough up some money or a benevolent sponsor.
> > There's quite a few organizations making money off of ACS, so this
> > shouldn't be a problem?
> > ​
> >
>
>
> > For (2)
> > * Assuming somebody steps up to write the new code, we need to find
> > sponsors that can host the mirrors.
> >
> > As somebody said earlier, this needs to happen much sooner than later.
> >
> > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
> > > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in
> it
> > > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
> > mirrors
> > > at will.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Paul Angus
> > >
> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl]
> > > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
> > > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>;
> dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <
> > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > > >:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the
> current
> > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
> > there
> > > another year ?
> > > >
> > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
> > > > build a new zone
> > > >
> > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues
> as
> > > > and when users make config changes
> > > >
> > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template
> from
> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > >
> > > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > > > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
> > > > patch to fix the initial install
> > > >
> > > > #notideal
> > > >
> > > > Really, this should be maintaine

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Will Stevens]

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On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Chiradeep Vittal <chirade...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The mirrolist is a great idea. There's 2 issues though:
>
> 1. Already released ACS releases in the wild will continue to attempt to
> download from download.cloud.com whenever a zone is created. These old
> releases cannot understand mirror lists. But users can be advised to patch
> templates.sql to point to an alternate location. The question is what is
> this alternate location? I propose "templates.cloudstack.org/old"
>

​If they patch, maybe they can pull one of the URLs from the mirror list?
That way we don't have to hardcode a specific mirror into the patch
procedure.​


>
> 2. New releases of ACS. The next release of ACS has to support the mirror
> list, otherwise we're kicking the can too far down the road.
>

​I agree, we will need to get this feature into ACS ASAP.​


>
> For (1)
> * templates.cloudstack.org/old could redirect (A record) to
> cloudstack.apt-get.eu . Or the project could use AWS S3 (as
> download.cloud.com is currently hosted in S3). Current bill is $40-50 per
> month (between 7GB-40GB downloaded per day). I like the S3 approach myself
> but it needs the project to cough up some money or a benevolent sponsor.
> There's quite a few organizations making money off of ACS, so this
> shouldn't be a problem?
> ​
>


> For (2)
> * Assuming somebody steps up to write the new code, we need to find
> sponsors that can host the mirrors.
>
> As somebody said earlier, this needs to happen much sooner than later.
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
> > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in it
> > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
> mirrors
> > at will.
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Paul Angus
> >
> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl]
> > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
> > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> >
> > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > >:
> > >
> > >
> > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
> there
> > another year ?
> > >
> > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
> > > build a new zone
> > >
> > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as
> > > and when users make config changes
> > >
> > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> > > download.cloud.com
> > >
> > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
> > > patch to fix the initial install
> > >
> > > #notideal
> > >
> > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
> > > the software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries
> > > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so
> > > that just wont happen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> > issue.
> > >
> >
> > Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it is
> a
> > danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.
> >
> > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> &g

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Chiradeep Vittal]

The mirrolist is a great idea. There's 2 issues though:

1. Already released ACS releases in the wild will continue to attempt to
download from download.cloud.com whenever a zone is created. These old
releases cannot understand mirror lists. But users can be advised to patch
templates.sql to point to an alternate location. The question is what is
this alternate location? I propose "templates.cloudstack.org/old"

2. New releases of ACS. The next release of ACS has to support the mirror
list, otherwise we're kicking the can too far down the road.

For (1)
* templates.cloudstack.org/old could redirect (A record) to
cloudstack.apt-get.eu . Or the project could use AWS S3 (as
download.cloud.com is currently hosted in S3). Current bill is $40-50 per
month (between 7GB-40GB downloaded per day). I like the S3 approach myself
but it needs the project to cough up some money or a benevolent sponsor.
There's quite a few organizations making money off of ACS, so this
shouldn't be a problem?

For (2)
* Assuming somebody steps up to write the new code, we need to find
sponsors that can host the mirrors.

As somebody said earlier, this needs to happen much sooner than later.

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
wrote:

> Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
> download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in it
> as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove mirrors
> at will.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Paul Angus
>
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl]
> Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
> To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>
> > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> >:
> >
> >
> > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there
> another year ?
> >
> > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
> > build a new zone
> >
> > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as
> > and when users make config changes
> >
> > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> > download.cloud.com
> >
> > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
> > patch to fix the initial install
> >
> > #notideal
> >
> > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
> > the software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries
> > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so
> > that just wont happen
> >
> >
> >
> > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> issue.
> >
>
> Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it is a
> danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.
>
> > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> >
> >
> > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We
> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up
> as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name
> (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> >
> >
> > Thoughts on how to fix this:
> >
> > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry
> > download.cloudstack.org. Its under their domain, but with the site
> > being with a 3rd party it could be allowed
> >
>
> I think that would be the best. A CNAME pointing to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> for now might be enough.
>
> > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a
> > new location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies
> > on ongoing goodwill)
> >
> > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on
> >

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Nux!]

Yes, I was also thinking of the mirrorlist; I would not host it on gh, it needs 
to be pretty HA. :)

imho

Lucian

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- Original Message -
> From: "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 May, 2016 17:32:22
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

> In case it was unclear, i meant hosting the mirrorlist with gh Pages :-)
> 
> Den onsdag 18. mai 2016 skrev Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com>
> følgende:
> 
>> Haha. I thought of that and didn't want to mention it because I thought it
>> would be too fragile and not very ASFy. But if we have a
>> ​ mirror
>> ​ list, it would be a good option as one of the items in the list as a
>> backup.
>>
>>
>> On May 18, 2016 8:33 AM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I guess we could even host it with github pages?
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I like this approach as well. Seems like a nice solution and builds in
>> > redundancy if a specific mirror is down for some reason.
>> > On May 18, 2016 4:06 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
>> > > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in
>> it
>> > > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
>> > mirrors
>> > > at will.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Kind regards,
>> > >
>> > > Paul Angus
>> > >
>> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
>> > > www.shapeblue.com
>> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>> > > @shapeblue
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl <javascript:;>]
>> > > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
>> > > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>>;
>> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>
>> > > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <
>> > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
>> > > >:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the
>> current
>> > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
>> > there
>> > > another year ?
>> > > >
>> > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
>> > > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
>> > > > build a new zone
>> > > >
>> > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
>> > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues
>> as
>> > > > and when users make config changes
>> > > >
>> > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
>> > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template
>> from
>> > > > download.cloud.com
>> > > >
>> > > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
>> > > > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
>> > > > patch to fix the initial install
>> > > >
>> > > > #notideal
>> > > >
>> > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
>> > > > the software working, however my understanding is it involves
>> binaries
>> > > > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so
>> > > > that just wont happen
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a
>> massive
>> > > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably
>> a
>> > > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to 

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Erik Weber]

In case it was unclear, i meant hosting the mirrorlist with gh Pages :-)

Den onsdag 18. mai 2016 skrev Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com>
følgende:

> Haha. I thought of that and didn't want to mention it because I thought it
> would be too fragile and not very ASFy. But if we have a
> ​ mirror
> ​ list, it would be a good option as one of the items in the list as a
> backup.
>
>
> On May 18, 2016 8:33 AM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> I guess we could even host it with github pages?
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > I like this approach as well. Seems like a nice solution and builds in
> > redundancy if a specific mirror is down for some reason.
> > On May 18, 2016 4:06 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
> > > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in
> it
> > > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
> > mirrors
> > > at will.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Paul Angus
> > >
> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
> > > www.shapeblue.com
> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > > @shapeblue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl <javascript:;>]
> > > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
> > > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>>;
> dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>
> > > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <
> > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
> > > >:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the
> current
> > > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
> > there
> > > another year ?
> > > >
> > > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
> > > > build a new zone
> > > >
> > > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues
> as
> > > > and when users make config changes
> > > >
> > > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template
> from
> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > >
> > > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > > > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
> > > > patch to fix the initial install
> > > >
> > > > #notideal
> > > >
> > > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
> > > > the software working, however my understanding is it involves
> binaries
> > > > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so
> > > > that just wont happen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a
> massive
> > > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably
> a
> > > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> > > issue.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it
> is
> > a
> > > danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.
> > >
> > > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? -
> by
> > > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories.
> > We
> > > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always
> opened
> > up
> > > as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain
> > name
> > > (whic

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Nux!]

Yeah, I also left it out because it's a too frequent target of DDOS attacks and 
not as available as we'd like.

Lucian

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- Original Message -
> From: "Will Stevens" <williamstev...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 May, 2016 14:49:26
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

> Haha. I thought of that and didn't want to mention it because I thought it
> would be too fragile and not very ASFy. But if we have a
> ​ mirror
> ​ list, it would be a good option as one of the items in the list as a
> backup.
> 
> 
> On May 18, 2016 8:33 AM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I guess we could even host it with github pages?
> 
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I like this approach as well. Seems like a nice solution and builds in
>> redundancy if a specific mirror is down for some reason.
>> On May 18, 2016 4:06 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
>> > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in it
>> > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
>> mirrors
>> > at will.
>> >
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> > Paul Angus
>> >
>> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>> > www.shapeblue.com
>> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>> > @shapeblue
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl]
>> > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
>> > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>> > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>> >
>> >
>> > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <
>> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
>> > >:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
>> > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
>> there
>> > another year ?
>> > >
>> > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
>> > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
>> > > build a new zone
>> > >
>> > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
>> > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as
>> > > and when users make config changes
>> > >
>> > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
>> > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
>> > > download.cloud.com
>> > >
>> > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
>> > > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
>> > > patch to fix the initial install
>> > >
>> > > #notideal
>> > >
>> > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
>> > > the software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries
>> > > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so
>> > > that just wont happen
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a
> massive
>> > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably
> a
>> > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
>> > issue.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it is
>> a
>> > danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.
>> >
>> > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
>> > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories.
>> We
>> > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened
>> up
>> > as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain
>> name
>> > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our prefe

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Will Stevens]

Haha. I thought of that and didn't want to mention it because I thought it
would be too fragile and not very ASFy. But if we have a
​ mirror
​ list, it would be a good option as one of the items in the list as a
backup.


On May 18, 2016 8:33 AM, "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess we could even host it with github pages?

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I like this approach as well. Seems like a nice solution and builds in
> redundancy if a specific mirror is down for some reason.
> On May 18, 2016 4:06 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>
> > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
> > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in it
> > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
> mirrors
> > at will.
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Paul Angus
> >
> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl]
> > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
> > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> >
> > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > >:
> > >
> > >
> > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
> there
> > another year ?
> > >
> > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
> > > build a new zone
> > >
> > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as
> > > and when users make config changes
> > >
> > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> > > download.cloud.com
> > >
> > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
> > > patch to fix the initial install
> > >
> > > #notideal
> > >
> > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
> > > the software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries
> > > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so
> > > that just wont happen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a
massive
> > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably
a
> > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> > issue.
> > >
> >
> > Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it is
> a
> > danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.
> >
> > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> > >
> > >
> > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories.
> We
> > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened
> up
> > as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain
> name
> > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thoughts on how to fix this:
> > >
> > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry
> > > download.cloudstack.org. Its under their domain, but with the site
> > > being with a 3rd party it could be allowed
> > >
> >
> > I think that would be the best. A CNAME pointing to
> cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> > for now might be enough.
> >
> > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a
> > > new location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies
> > > on ongoing goodwill)
> > >
> > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on
> > > install. We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could
> > > then g

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Erik Weber]

I guess we could even host it with github pages?

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Will Stevens <williamstev...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I like this approach as well. Seems like a nice solution and builds in
> redundancy if a specific mirror is down for some reason.
> On May 18, 2016 4:06 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>
> > Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
> > download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in it
> > as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove
> mirrors
> > at will.
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Paul Angus
> >
> > paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> > @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl]
> > Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
> > To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> >
> > > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > >:
> > >
> > >
> > > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> > download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being
> there
> > another year ?
> > >
> > > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
> > > build a new zone
> > >
> > > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as
> > > and when users make config changes
> > >
> > > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> > > download.cloud.com
> > >
> > > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
> > > patch to fix the initial install
> > >
> > > #notideal
> > >
> > > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
> > > the software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries
> > > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so
> > > that just wont happen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> > thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> > SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> > issue.
> > >
> >
> > Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it is
> a
> > danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.
> >
> > > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> > > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> > >
> > >
> > > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories.
> We
> > (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened
> up
> > as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain
> name
> > (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thoughts on how to fix this:
> > >
> > > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry
> > > download.cloudstack.org. Its under their domain, but with the site
> > > being with a 3rd party it could be allowed
> > >
> >
> > I think that would be the best. A CNAME pointing to
> cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> > for now might be enough.
> >
> > > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a
> > > new location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies
> > > on ongoing goodwill)
> > >
> > > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on
> > > install. We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could
> > > then get the templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and
> > > allow people to choose which one they use
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind Regards
> > > Giles
> > >
> > >
> > > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> &g

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Will Stevens]

I like this approach as well. Seems like a nice solution and builds in
redundancy if a specific mirror is down for some reason.
On May 18, 2016 4:06 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:

> Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a
> download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in it
> as suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove mirrors
> at will.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Paul Angus
>
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl]
> Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
> To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>
> > Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> >:
> >
> >
> > This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there
> another year ?
> >
> > It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at
> > initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like
> > build a new zone
> >
> > So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> > would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as
> > and when users make config changes
> >
> > The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> > Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> > download.cloud.com
> >
> > My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an
> > environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code
> > patch to fix the initial install
> >
> > #notideal
> >
> > Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to
> > the software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries
> > which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so
> > that just wont happen
> >
> >
> >
> > Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> issue.
> >
>
> Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it is a
> danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.
>
> > So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> > definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> >
> >
> > We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We
> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up
> as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name
> (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> >
> >
> > Thoughts on how to fix this:
> >
> > 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry
> > download.cloudstack.org. Its under their domain, but with the site
> > being with a 3rd party it could be allowed
> >
>
> I think that would be the best. A CNAME pointing to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> for now might be enough.
>
> > 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a
> > new location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies
> > on ongoing goodwill)
> >
> > 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on
> > install. We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could
> > then get the templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and
> > allow people to choose which one they use
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Giles
> >
> >
> > giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> > www.shapeblue.com
> > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Will Stevens
> > Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl>
> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> > @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it
> going forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
> > I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Paul Angus]

Pulling a few threads together - if the ASF would create a 
download.cloudstack.org page on ASF infra with the mirrorlist json in it as 
suggested by Nux, we can maintain just that page and add/remove mirrors at will.


Kind regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue



-Original Message-
From: Wido den Hollander [mailto:w...@widodh.nl] 
Sent: 18 May 2016 08:37
To: Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>; dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com


> Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>:
> 
> 
> This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current 
> download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there 
> another year ?
> 
> It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at 
> initial build/startup and then periodically if people do things like 
> build a new zone
> 
> So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody 
> would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as 
> and when users make config changes
> 
> The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec 
> Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from 
> download.cloud.com
> 
> My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an 
> environment is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code 
> patch to fix the initial install
> 
> #notideal
> 
> Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to 
> the software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries 
> which ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so 
> that just wont happen
> 
> 
> 
> Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive 
> thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a 
> SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this issue.
> 

Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it is a 
danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.

> So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by 
> definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> 
> 
> We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We 
> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up 
> as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name 
> (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> 
> 
> Thoughts on how to fix this:
> 
> 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry 
> download.cloudstack.org. Its under their domain, but with the site 
> being with a 3rd party it could be allowed
> 

I think that would be the best. A CNAME pointing to cloudstack.apt-get.eu for 
now might be enough.

> 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a 
> new location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies 
> on ongoing goodwill)
> 
> 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on 
> install. We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could 
> then get the templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and 
> allow people to choose which one they use
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> Giles
> 
> 
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
> Will Stevens
> Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> 
> @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it going 
> forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
> I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out 
> there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes down, 
> those installs have to be updated.
> 
> Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting 
> from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
> 
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
> 
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw 
> @CloudOps_
> 
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning) 
> > level of dependency on the operation

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Wido den Hollander]

> Op 17 mei 2016 om 10:34 schreef Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>:
> 
> 
> This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current 
> download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there 
> another year ?
> 
> It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at initial 
> build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a new zone
> 
> So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody would 
> be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as and when 
> users make config changes
> 
> The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec Storage 
> VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from 
> download.cloud.com
> 
> My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an environment is 
> running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix the initial 
> install
> 
> #notideal
> 
> Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to the 
> software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries which ASF 
> is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that just wont 
> happen
> 
> 
> 
> Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive 
> thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a 
> SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this issue.
> 

Fully agree with you. I'am happy to host this, but for the project it is a 
danger. The domain name should be controlled by the project.

> So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by 
> definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> 
> 
> We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We 
> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up 
> as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name 
> (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> 
> 
> Thoughts on how to fix this:
> 
> 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry download.cloudstack.org. 
> Its under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd party it could be 
> allowed
> 

I think that would be the best. A CNAME pointing to cloudstack.apt-get.eu for 
now might be enough.

> 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a new 
> location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies on ongoing 
> goodwill)
> 
> 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on install. We 
> can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could then get the 
> templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow people to 
> choose which one they use
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> Giles
> 
> 
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com 
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
> Will Stevens
> Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> 
> @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it going 
> forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
> I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out 
> there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes down, 
> those installs have to be updated.
> 
> Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting 
> from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
> 
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
> 
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw 
> @CloudOps_
> 
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning) 
> > level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - would 
> > it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party 
> > whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to 
> > implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled 
> > CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this 
> > long term.
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela 
> > <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are talking to Citrix 
> >

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Nux!]

Hello,

I would solve the dilemma in a manner similar to how the CentOS mirror list 
works.

Create download.cloudstack.org or just use the main domain, upload in a subdir 
a text/json file similar to the mirrorlist, in there we specify sha/md5 sums of 
available files as well as multiple trustworthy links, such as 
cloudstack.apt-get.eu, its mirrors in coreix/shapeblue and so on.

This way we keep control and trust inside the Apache Cloudstack domain name 
controlled by Apache and PMC.

A bit of intelligence has to be added to Cloudstack so it can follow/retry 
multiple links and check file integrity sums. This way we also get some 
redundancy/HA for download links.

HTH
Lucian

--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!

Nux!
www.nux.ro

- Original Message -
> From: "Giles Sirett" <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: "Wido den Hollander" <w...@widodh.nl>
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 May, 2016 09:34:38
> Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

> This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current 
> download
> site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there another year
> ?
> 
> It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at initial
> build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a new zone
> 
> So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody would 
> be a
> able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as and when users 
> make
> config changes
> 
> The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec Storage 
> VM,
> CloudStack will try to download the built in template from download.cloud.com
> 
> My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an environment is
> running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix the initial
> install
> 
> #notideal
> 
> Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to the 
> software
> working, however my understanding is it involves binaries which ASF is never
> keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that just wont happen
> 
> 
> 
> Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive 
> thanks)
> - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a SPOF.  But,
> if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this issue.
> 
> So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
> 
> 
> We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We
> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up as
> public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name (which
> I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
> 
> 
> Thoughts on how to fix this:
> 
> 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry download.cloudstack.org. Its
> under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd party it could be
> allowed
> 
> 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a new 
> location
> (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies on ongoing goodwill)
> 
> 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on install. We 
> can
> then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could then get the templates
> copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow people to choose which one
> they use
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards
> Giles
> 
> 
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Will Stevens
> Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> 
> @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it going
> forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
> I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out 
> there
> currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes down, those
> installs have to be updated.
> 
> Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting from
> this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
> 
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
> 
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw 
> @CloudOps_
> 
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> wrote:
>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Erik Weber]

We build and distribute systemvm templates, technically you could use the
same template.

It will contain some bits and bytes you don't need, but enough to test your
cloud.


Erik

Den tirsdag 17. mai 2016 skrev Giles Sirett <giles.sir...@shapeblue.com>
følgende:

> This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current
> download site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there
> another year ?
>
> It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at initial
> build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a new
> zone
>
> So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody
> would be a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as and
> when users make config changes
>
> The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec
> Storage VM, CloudStack will try to download the built in template from
> download.cloud.com
>
> My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an environment
> is running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix the
> initial install
>
> #notideal
>
> Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to the
> software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries which
> ASF is never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that just
> wont happen
>
>
>
> Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive
> thanks)  - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a
> SPOF.  But, if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this
> issue.
>
> So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by
> definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party
>
>
> We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We
> (ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up
> as public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name
> (which I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.
>
>
> Thoughts on how to fix this:
>
> 1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry download.cloudstack.org.
> Its under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd party it could
> be allowed
>
> 2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a new
> location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies on
> ongoing goodwill)
>
> 3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on install.
> We can then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could then get the
> templates copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow people to
> choose which one they use
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Giles
>
>
> giles.sir...@shapeblue.com <javascript:;>
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: williamstev...@gmail.com <javascript:;> [mailto:
> williamstev...@gmail.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Will Stevens
> Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>
> Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
> @Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it
> going forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
> I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out
> there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes
> down, those installs have to be updated.
>
> Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting
> from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?
>
> *Will STEVENS*
> Lead Developer
>
> *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw
> @CloudOps_
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning)
> > level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - would
> > it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party
> > whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to
> > implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled
> > CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this
> > long term.
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
> > <raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are tal

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Giles Sirett]

This is a MAJOR problem and needs to be figured out before the current download 
site is removed - @Raja - have Citrix committed to it being there another year ?

It is my understanding that Cloudstack relies on this download at initial 
build/startup and then periodically if people do things like build a new zone

So, users environments aren't going to stop if its pulled, but nobody would be 
a able to build/install cloudstack and it may cause issues as and when users 
make config changes

The problem is, for new builds, its hard coded : you start the  Sec Storage VM, 
CloudStack will try to download the built in template from download.cloud.com

My understanding is that its simple db  change to make once an environment is 
running (exisiting users) but *may* require a code patch to fix the initial 
install

#notideal

Really, this should be maintained by ASF/ the project as its key to the 
software working, however my understanding is it involves binaries which ASF is 
never keen on (and may be some 3rd party binaries) - so that just wont happen



Apt-get is controlled by Wido et al (for which we all owe him a massive thanks) 
 - but you are right, it is a 3rd party dependency and arguably a SPOF.  But, 
if ASF wont host binaries, we're always going to have this issue.

So, we could patch the code to point somewhere else - but where ? - by 
definition its got to be something maintained by a 3rd party


We had this debate some time ago when talking about the repositories. We 
(ShapeBlue) maintain a repo for our customers, which wev'e always opened up as 
public. However, there were concerns about having a company domain name (which 
I understand) - so apt-get became our preferred repo.


Thoughts on how to fix this:

1. if ASF would allow us to create the host entry download.cloudstack.org. Its 
under their domain, but with the site being with a 3rd party it could be allowed

2. maybe Citrix could commit to pointing the current DNS entry to a new 
location (would be simplest but may be legally complex and relies on ongoing 
goodwill)

3. make a mod to allow users to choose the download location on install. We can 
then maintain apt-get. To remove the SPOF, we could then get the templates 
copied to a number of 3rd party locations and allow people to choose which one 
they use




Kind Regards
Giles


giles.sir...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue



-Original Message-
From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Will Stevens
Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl>
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

@Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it going 
forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out there 
currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes down, those 
installs have to be updated.

Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting from 
this thread.  Can this be confirmed?

*Will STEVENS*
Lead Developer

*CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> wrote:

> Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning) 
> level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - would 
> it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party 
> whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to 
> implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled 
> CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this 
> long term.
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela 
> <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are talking to Citrix 
> > and
> requested them to keep it active for another year.
> >
> > Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and 
> > verify
> this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user 
> guides update and create a wiki to show how an existing installation 
> can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have a dependency on 
> “download.cloud.com” –
> right?  sorry, if I am missing something here?   Please let me know,
> >
> > best,
> > Raja
> > Senior Manager, Product Development
> > Accelerite,
> > 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >>Thanks Raja,
> >>
> >>May I humbly s

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Rohit Yadav]

I've made a backup of shared URLs and from source code (latest master) here:
http://packages.shapeblue.com/templates/download.cloud.com/

Regards,
Rohit Yadav


rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue
On May 17 2016, at 9:30 am, Indra Pramana <in...@sg.or.id> wrote:

Hi Raja and Paul,

Thanks - confirmed that I am now able to access:

http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2

Downloading and installing the template now, many thanks.

Cheers.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Raja Pullela <raja.pull...@accelerite.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Paul, Looks like there is a permission issue and got it fixed.
> You should be able to download it now.
>
> Best,
> Raja
> Senior Manager, Product Development
> Accelerite,
> 2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
> On 5/17/16, 1:01 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >Raja,
> >
> >
> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> >
> >returns:
> >
> >
> >AccessDenied
> >Access Denied53EAFABB1108278B
>
> >fVsFcxdoTA8U3MOoToZ0VsEyQNaJ4N5xTtMhaGpxG5OgDugcrBTwOGSaCjgCs+thNukQYLrk4vY=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Paul Angus
> >
> >paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> >www.shapeblue.com
> >53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK
> >@shapeblue
> >
> >-----Original Message-
> >From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
> >Sent: 16 May 2016 20:07
> >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> >Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> >Hi Indra,
> >
> >Its available on download.cloud.com – can you try to download it ? I
> have added this to this list to make them available on
> cloudstack.apt-get.eu.
> >
> >Best,
> >Raja
> >Senior Manager, Product Development
> >Accelerite,
> >2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> >Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> >
> >On 5/16/16, 6:25 PM, "Raja Pullela" <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> >>Hi Indra,
> >>
> >>I will check this and get back.
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>Raja
> >>Senior Manager, Product Development
> >>Accelerite,
> >>2055, Laurelwood Road, Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010, www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> >>
> >>On 5/14/16, 11:45 AM, "Indra Pramana" <in...@sg.or.id> wrote:
> >>>Dear all,
> >>>
> >>>Is there an alternative solution for now where I can download below URL?
> >>>
> >>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001b
> >>>d8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> >>>
> >>>It's the default CentOS 5.5 (64-bit) no GUI template for KVM. I
> >>>checked and the above copy is not yet on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.
> >>>
> >>>Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
> >>>
> >>>Cheers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Raja,
> >>>>
> >>>> I've just picked up on this.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack
> >>>> database for the small built-in templates. These are in just about
> >>>> every copy of CloudStack out there.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-
> >>>> f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
> >>>>
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c00
> >>>> 1bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new
> >>>> location.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's
> >&

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Indra Pramana]

Hi Raja and Paul,

Thanks - confirmed that I am now able to access:

http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2

Downloading and installing the template now, many thanks.

Cheers.


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Raja Pullela <raja.pull...@accelerite.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Paul,  Looks like there is a permission issue and got it fixed.
> You should be able to download it now.
>
> Best,
> Raja
> Senior Manager, Product Development
> Accelerite,
> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
> On 5/17/16, 1:01 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >Raja,
> >
> >
> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> >
> >returns:
> >
> >
> >AccessDenied
> >Access Denied53EAFABB1108278B
>
> >fVsFcxdoTA8U3MOoToZ0VsEyQNaJ4N5xTtMhaGpxG5OgDugcrBTwOGSaCjgCs+thNukQYLrk4vY=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Kind regards,
> >
> >Paul Angus
> >
> >paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> >www.shapeblue.com
> >53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> >@shapeblue
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
> >Sent: 16 May 2016 20:07
> >To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> >Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> >Hi Indra,
> >
> >Its available on download.cloud.com – can you try to download it ?  I
> have added this to this list to make them available on
> cloudstack.apt-get.eu.
> >
> >Best,
> >Raja
> >Senior Manager, Product Development
> >Accelerite,
> >2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> >Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> >
> >On 5/16/16, 6:25 PM, "Raja Pullela" <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> >>Hi Indra,
> >>
> >>I will check this and get back.
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>Raja
> >>Senior Manager, Product Development
> >>Accelerite,
> >>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> >>
> >>On 5/14/16, 11:45 AM, "Indra Pramana" <in...@sg.or.id> wrote:
> >>>Dear all,
> >>>
> >>>Is there an alternative solution for now where I can download below URL?
> >>>
> >>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001b
> >>>d8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> >>>
> >>>It's the default CentOS 5.5 (64-bit) no GUI template for KVM. I
> >>>checked and the above copy is not yet on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.
> >>>
> >>>Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
> >>>
> >>>Cheers.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Raja,
> >>>>
> >>>> I've just picked up on this.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack
> >>>> database for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about
> >>>> every copy of CloudStack out there.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-
> >>>> f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
> >>>>
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c00
> >>>> 1bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
> >>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new
> >>>> location.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's
> >>>> contents for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>&

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Wido den Hollander]

> Op 14 mei 2016 om 3:42 schreef Paul Angus :
> 
> 
> Raja,
> 
> I've just picked up on this.
> 
> There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack database 
> for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every copy of 
> CloudStack out there.
> 
> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
> http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
> 
> 
> These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new location.
> 

I am currently downloading these to here: http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/archive/

Forgive me for not reading all the e-mails which followed. A lot of e-mail was 
sent today on dev@ and private@

The files above should be available shortly.

Wido

> 
> I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's contents for 
> some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> 
> 
> 
> Which sections to be modified?
> 
> 
> 
> The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are mentioned
> below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other Released versions of
> Cloudstack documentation:
> 
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
> 
> Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
> 
> 
> 
> What to do modified ?
> 
> modify URL from http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to
> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
> 
> 
> 
> @Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Raja
> 
> Senior Manager, Product Development
> 
> Accelerite,
> 
> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> 
> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Paul Angus
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul Angus
> 
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Thanks Paul,  Looks like there is a permission issue and got it fixed.  You 
should be able to download it now.

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite

On 5/17/16, 1:01 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>Raja,
>
>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>
>returns:
>
>
>AccessDenied
>Access Denied53EAFABB1108278B
>fVsFcxdoTA8U3MOoToZ0VsEyQNaJ4N5xTtMhaGpxG5OgDugcrBTwOGSaCjgCs+thNukQYLrk4vY=
>
>
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
>www.shapeblue.com
>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>@shapeblue
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] 
>Sent: 16 May 2016 20:07
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>Hi Indra,
>
>Its available on download.cloud.com – can you try to download it ?  I have 
>added this to this list to make them available on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.  
>
>Best,
>Raja
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>Accelerite,
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>On 5/16/16, 6:25 PM, "Raja Pullela" <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
>>Hi Indra,
>>
>>I will check this and get back.
>>
>>Best,
>>Raja
>>Senior Manager, Product Development
>>Accelerite,
>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>
>>On 5/14/16, 11:45 AM, "Indra Pramana" <in...@sg.or.id> wrote:
>>>Dear all,
>>>
>>>Is there an alternative solution for now where I can download below URL?
>>>
>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001b
>>>d8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>>
>>>It's the default CentOS 5.5 (64-bit) no GUI template for KVM. I 
>>>checked and the above copy is not yet on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.
>>>
>>>Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
>>>
>>>Cheers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Raja,
>>>>
>>>> I've just picked up on this.
>>>>
>>>> There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack 
>>>> database for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about 
>>>> every copy of CloudStack out there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-
>>>> f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
>>>>
>>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c00
>>>> 1bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
>>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new 
>>>> location.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's 
>>>> contents for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which sections to be modified?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are 
>>>> mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other 
>>>> Released versions of Cloudstack documentation:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/e
>>>> n/4.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>>>>
>>>> Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What to do modified ?
>>>>
>>>> modify URL from 
>>>> http://download.cloud.com.s

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Paul Angus]

Taking a long-term view, I'm not overly keen on the project's dependence on 
Wido for cloudstack.apt-get.eu either.
The CloudStack alliance owning whatever the domain name might be could well be 
the best/most neutral way forward.  

Now 'just' to get everyone to agree on what that domain name should be.

Kind regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue

-Original Message-
From: williamstev...@gmail.com [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Will Stevens
Sent: 16 May 2016 18:59
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl>
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

@Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it going 
forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out there 
currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes down, those 
installs have to be updated.

Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting from 
this thread.  Can this be confirmed?

*Will STEVENS*
Lead Developer

*CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> wrote:

> Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning) 
> level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - would 
> it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party 
> whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to 
> implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled 
> CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this 
> long term.
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela 
> <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are talking to Citrix 
> > and
> requested them to keep it active for another year.
> >
> > Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and 
> > verify
> this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user 
> guides update and create a wiki to show how an existing installation 
> can fixed to point to new URLs) we don’t have a dependency on 
> “download.cloud.com” –
> right?  sorry, if I am missing something here?   Please let me know,
> >
> > best,
> > Raja
> > Senior Manager, Product Development
> > Accelerite,
> > 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >>Thanks Raja,
> >>
> >>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix 
> >>about
> how long the content will remain on download.cloud.com?
> >>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will make
> everyone look bad
> >>
> >>Kind regards,
> >>
> >>Paul Angus
> >>
> >>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> >>www.shapeblue.com
> >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
> >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
> >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >>
> >>Paul,
> >>
> >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and
> CloudPlatform customers.  Not sure, if I understand you correctly, the 
> move away from “download.cloud.com” is permanent.  I don’t know how 
> long the content on download.cloud.com will be up/available.
> >>
> >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to
> cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?BTW, the content on
> download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix 
> decides on what to do with it.
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>Raja
> >>Senior Manager, Product Development
> >>Accelerite,
> >>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> >>
> >>
> >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Raja,
> >>>
> >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there 
> >>>ever
> was.  Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away 
> from downlo

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Paul Angus]

Raja,

http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2

returns:


AccessDenied
Access Denied53EAFABB1108278B
fVsFcxdoTA8U3MOoToZ0VsEyQNaJ4N5xTtMhaGpxG5OgDugcrBTwOGSaCjgCs+thNukQYLrk4vY=




Kind regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue

-Original Message-
From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] 
Sent: 16 May 2016 20:07
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

Hi Indra,

Its available on download.cloud.com – can you try to download it ?  I have 
added this to this list to make them available on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.  

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite

On 5/16/16, 6:25 PM, "Raja Pullela" <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
>Hi Indra,
>
>I will check this and get back.
>
>Best,
>Raja
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>Accelerite,
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>On 5/14/16, 11:45 AM, "Indra Pramana" <in...@sg.or.id> wrote:
>>Dear all,
>>
>>Is there an alternative solution for now where I can download below URL?
>>
>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001b
>>d8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>
>>It's the default CentOS 5.5 (64-bit) no GUI template for KVM. I 
>>checked and the above copy is not yet on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.
>>
>>Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
>>
>>Cheers.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Raja,
>>>
>>> I've just picked up on this.
>>>
>>> There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack 
>>> database for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about 
>>> every copy of CloudStack out there.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-
>>> f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
>>>
>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c00
>>> 1bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>>>
>>>
>>> These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new 
>>> location.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's 
>>> contents for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which sections to be modified?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are 
>>> mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other 
>>> Released versions of Cloudstack documentation:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/e
>>> n/4.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>>>
>>> Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What to do modified ?
>>>
>>> modify URL from 
>>> http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util
>>> to
>>> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Raja
>>>
>>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>
>>> Accelerite,
>>>
>>> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>>
>>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Paul Angus
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Paul Angus
>>>
>>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>> www.shapeblue.com
>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
>>>

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Hi Indra,

Its available on download.cloud.com – can you try to download it ?  I have 
added this to this list to make them available on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.  

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite

On 5/16/16, 6:25 PM, "Raja Pullela"  wrote:
>Hi Indra,
>
>I will check this and get back.
>
>Best,
>Raja
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>Accelerite,
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>On 5/14/16, 11:45 AM, "Indra Pramana"  wrote:
>>Dear all,
>>
>>Is there an alternative solution for now where I can download below URL?
>>
>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>
>>It's the default CentOS 5.5 (64-bit) no GUI template for KVM. I checked and
>>the above copy is not yet on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.
>>
>>Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
>>
>>Cheers.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Paul Angus 
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Raja,
>>>
>>> I've just picked up on this.
>>>
>>> There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack
>>> database for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every
>>> copy of CloudStack out there.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
>>>
>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>>>
>>>
>>> These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new
>>> location.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's contents
>>> for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which sections to be modified?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are mentioned
>>> below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other Released versions of
>>> Cloudstack documentation:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>>>
>>> Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What to do modified ?
>>>
>>> modify URL from http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util
>>> to
>>> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Raja
>>>
>>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>
>>> Accelerite,
>>>
>>> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>>
>>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Paul Angus
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Paul Angus
>>>
>>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>> www.shapeblue.com
>>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>> @shapeblue
>>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Agree with you Ian!  

On 5/16/16, 11:08 PM, "Ian Rae" <i...@cloudops.com> wrote:

>Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning)
>level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - would
>it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party
>whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to
>implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled
>CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this
>long term.
>
>On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
><raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
>> Paul,
>>
>> trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are talking to Citrix and 
>> requested them to keep it active for another year.
>>
>> Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and verify this) 
>> to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user guides update 
>> and create a wiki to show how an existing installation can fixed to point to 
>> new URLs) we don’t have a dependency on “download.cloud.com” – right?  
>> sorry, if I am missing something here?   Please let me know,
>>
>> best,
>> Raja
>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>> Accelerite,
>> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>
>>
>> On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>Thanks Raja,
>>>
>>>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix about how 
>>>long the content will remain on download.cloud.com?
>>>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will make everyone 
>>>look bad
>>>
>>>Kind regards,
>>>
>>>Paul Angus
>>>
>>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>>www.shapeblue.com
>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>>@shapeblue
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
>>>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
>>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>>
>>>Paul,
>>>
>>>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and CloudPlatform 
>>>customers.  Not sure, if I understand you correctly, the move away from 
>>>“download.cloud.com” is permanent.  I don’t know how long the content on 
>>>download.cloud.com will be up/available.
>>>
>>>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to 
>>>cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?BTW, the content on 
>>>download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix decides on 
>>>what to do with it.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>Raja
>>>Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>Accelerite,
>>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>>
>>>
>>>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Raja,
>>>>
>>>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there ever was.  
>>>>Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away from 
>>>>download.cloud.com?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>Paul Angus
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Paul Angus
>>>>
>>>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>>>www.shapeblue.com
>>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
>>>>
>>>>-Original Message-
>>>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
>>>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
>>>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>>>
>>>>Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for the additional file details and I will request wido to copy 
>>>>these as well.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out there and 
>>>>reason why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as well.  
>>>>Looks like we missed few and get these uploaded as well.
>>>>
>>>>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address and we have 
>>>>to get all the CloudStack related content from there.  Once we

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Will Stevens]

@Ian, yes, but I think there is more to it than that.  We can change it
going forward and we can move everything from there over to a new domain.
I believe the problem is with all of the existing ACS or CCP installs out
there currently pointing at the download.cloud.com URL, so when it goes
down, those installs have to be updated.

Maybe I don't understand exactly, but that is the impression I am getting
from this thread.  Can this be confirmed?

*Will STEVENS*
Lead Developer

*CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts
420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> wrote:

> Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning)
> level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - would
> it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party
> whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to
> implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled
> CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this
> long term.
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
> <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are talking to Citrix and
> requested them to keep it active for another year.
> >
> > Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and verify
> this) to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user guides
> update and create a wiki to show how an existing installation can fixed to
> point to new URLs) we don’t have a dependency on “download.cloud.com” –
> right?  sorry, if I am missing something here?   Please let me know,
> >
> > best,
> > Raja
> > Senior Manager, Product Development
> > Accelerite,
> > 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> > Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >>Thanks Raja,
> >>
> >>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix about
> how long the content will remain on download.cloud.com?
> >>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will make
> everyone look bad
> >>
> >>Kind regards,
> >>
> >>Paul Angus
> >>
> >>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> >>www.shapeblue.com
> >>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> >>@shapeblue
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
> >>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
> >>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> >>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >>
> >>Paul,
> >>
> >>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and
> CloudPlatform customers.  Not sure, if I understand you correctly, the move
> away from “download.cloud.com” is permanent.  I don’t know how long the
> content on download.cloud.com will be up/available.
> >>
> >>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to
> cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?BTW, the content on
> download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix decides
> on what to do with it.
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>Raja
> >>Senior Manager, Product Development
> >>Accelerite,
> >>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> >>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> >>
> >>
> >>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Raja,
> >>>
> >>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there ever
> was.  Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away from
> download.cloud.com?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Kind regards,
> >>>
> >>>Paul Angus
> >>>
> >>>Regards,
> >>>
> >>>Paul Angus
> >>>
> >>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> >>>www.shapeblue.com
> >>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> >>>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
> >>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
> >>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> >>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >>>
> >>>Hi Paul,
> >>>
> >>>Tha

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Paul,  

trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are talking to Citrix and 
requested them to keep it active for another year.  

Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and verify this) to 
cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user guides update and 
create a wiki to show how an existing installation can fixed to point to new 
URLs) we don’t have a dependency on “download.cloud.com” – right?  sorry, if I 
am missing something here?   Please let me know, 

best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite


On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>Thanks Raja,
>
>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix about how 
>long the content will remain on download.cloud.com?
>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will make everyone 
>look bad
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
>www.shapeblue.com
>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>@shapeblue
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] 
>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>Paul,
>
>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and CloudPlatform 
>customers.  Not sure, if I understand you correctly, the move away from 
>“download.cloud.com” is permanent.  I don’t know how long the content on 
>download.cloud.com will be up/available.  
>
>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to 
>cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?BTW, the content on 
>download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix decides on 
>what to do with it.  
>
>Best,
>Raja
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>Accelerite,
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>
>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>
>>Raja,
>>
>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there ever was.  
>>Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away from 
>>download.cloud.com?
>>
>>
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>Paul Angus
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Paul Angus
>>
>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>www.shapeblue.com
>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>
>>Hi Paul,
>>
>>Thank you for the additional file details and I will request wido to copy 
>>these as well.  
>>
>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out there and reason 
>>why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as well.  Looks like 
>>we missed few and get these uploaded as well.  
>>
>>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address and we have to 
>>get all the CloudStack related content from there.  Once we confirm on the 
>>content move Citrix may choose to remove the content from the location.
>>
>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete copy such 
>>that we have everything.
>>
>>Best,
>>Raja
>>Senior Manager, Product Development
>>Accelerite,
>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>
>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>>Raja,
>>>
>>>I've just picked up on this.
>>>
>>>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack database 
>>>for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every copy of 
>>>CloudStack out there.
>>>
>>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f8
>>>4
>>>755767aca.vhd.bz2
>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001b
>>>d
>>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>>>
>>>
>>>Thes

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Ian Rae]

Hey guys, who controls apt-get.eu and given the (rather concerning)
level of dependency on the operation of the download.cloud.com - would
it not make sense to use a domain that is under the control of party
whose alignment with CloudStack will not shift. I hesitate to
implicate the red tape of Apache Foundation, but perhaps the fabled
CloudStack alliance organization would be a good way to handle this
long term.

On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Raja Pullela
<raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> trust me, it won’t be go away overnight.  We are talking to Citrix and 
> requested them to keep it active for another year.
>
> Once we have the content copied over (I will work with Wido and verify this) 
> to cloudstack.apt-get.eu and update the documentation (user guides update and 
> create a wiki to show how an existing installation can fixed to point to new 
> URLs) we don’t have a dependency on “download.cloud.com” – right?  sorry, if 
> I am missing something here?   Please let me know,
>
> best,
> Raja
> Senior Manager, Product Development
> Accelerite,
> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>
> On 5/16/16, 9:38 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>Thanks Raja,
>>
>>May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix about how 
>>long the content will remain on download.cloud.com?
>>Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will make everyone 
>>look bad
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>Paul Angus
>>
>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>www.shapeblue.com
>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>>@shapeblue
>>
>>-----Original Message-
>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
>>Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>
>>Paul,
>>
>>Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and CloudPlatform 
>>customers.  Not sure, if I understand you correctly, the move away from 
>>“download.cloud.com” is permanent.  I don’t know how long the content on 
>>download.cloud.com will be up/available.
>>
>>Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to 
>>cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?BTW, the content on 
>>download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix decides on 
>>what to do with it.
>>
>>Best,
>>Raja
>>Senior Manager, Product Development
>>Accelerite,
>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>
>>
>>On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Raja,
>>>
>>>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there ever was.  
>>>Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away from 
>>>download.cloud.com?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Kind regards,
>>>
>>>Paul Angus
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Paul Angus
>>>
>>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>>www.shapeblue.com
>>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
>>>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
>>>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>>>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>>>
>>>Hi Paul,
>>>
>>>Thank you for the additional file details and I will request wido to copy 
>>>these as well.
>>>
>>>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out there and reason 
>>>why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as well.  Looks like 
>>>we missed few and get these uploaded as well.
>>>
>>>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address and we have to 
>>>get all the CloudStack related content from there.  Once we confirm on the 
>>>content move Citrix may choose to remove the content from the location.
>>>
>>>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete copy such 
>>>that we have everything.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>Raja
>>>Senior Manager, Product Development
>>>Accelerite,
>>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>>
>>>On 5/14/16, 7:12 

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Paul Angus]

Thanks Raja,

May I humbly suggest that someone at Accelerite speaks to Citrix about how long 
the content will remain on download.cloud.com?
Simply losing the content on download.cloud.com overnight will make everyone 
look bad

Kind regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue

-Original Message-
From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] 
Sent: 16 May 2016 16:44
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

Paul,

Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and CloudPlatform 
customers.  Not sure, if I understand you correctly, the move away from 
“download.cloud.com” is permanent.  I don’t know how long the content on 
download.cloud.com will be up/available.  

Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to 
cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?BTW, the content on 
download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix decides on 
what to do with it.  

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite


On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:

>Raja,
>
>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there ever was.  
>Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away from 
>download.cloud.com?
>
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>www.shapeblue.com
>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com]
>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>Thank you for the additional file details and I will request wido to copy 
>these as well.  
>
>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out there and reason 
>why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as well.  Looks like 
>we missed few and get these uploaded as well.  
>
>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address and we have to 
>get all the CloudStack related content from there.  Once we confirm on the 
>content move Citrix may choose to remove the content from the location.
>
>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete copy such 
>that we have everything.
>
>Best,
>Raja
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>Accelerite,
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>Raja,
>>
>>I've just picked up on this.
>>
>>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack database 
>>for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every copy of 
>>CloudStack out there.
>>
>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f8
>>4
>>755767aca.vhd.bz2
>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001b
>>d
>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>>
>>
>>These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new location.
>>
>>
>>I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's contents for 
>>some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>>
>>
>>
>>Which sections to be modified?
>>
>>
>>
>>The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are 
>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other 
>>Released versions of Cloudstack documentation:
>>
>>http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/
>>4 .6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>>
>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>>
>>
>>
>>What to do modified ?
>>
>>modify URL from
>>http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to 
>>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>>
>>
>>
>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Paul,

Yes, you are right, this change impacts both CloudStack and CloudPlatform 
customers.  Not sure, if I understand you correctly, the move away from 
“download.cloud.com” is permanent.  I don’t know how long the content on 
download.cloud.com will be up/available.  

Based on Wido’s availability, we can get rest of the content to 
cloudstack.apt-get.eu, hopefully, by this week ?BTW, the content on 
download.cloud.com is left as is and will stay as is until Citrix decides on 
what to do with it.  

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite


On 5/16/16, 6:36 PM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:

>Raja,
>
>As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there ever was.  
>Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away from 
>download.cloud.com?
>
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
>www.shapeblue.com
>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>@shapeblue
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] 
>Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>Thank you for the additional file details and I will request wido to copy 
>these as well.  
>
>BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out there and reason 
>why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as well.  Looks like 
>we missed few and get these uploaded as well.  
>
>Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address and we have to 
>get all the CloudStack related content from there.  Once we confirm on the 
>content move Citrix may choose to remove the content from the location.
>
>That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete copy such 
>that we have everything.
>
>Best,
>Raja
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>Accelerite,
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>>Raja,
>>
>>I've just picked up on this.
>>
>>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack database 
>>for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every copy of 
>>CloudStack out there.
>>
>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f84
>>755767aca.vhd.bz2
>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd
>>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>>
>>
>>These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new location.
>>
>>
>>I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's contents for 
>>some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>>Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>>
>>
>>
>>Which sections to be modified?
>>
>>
>>
>>The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are 
>>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other Released 
>>versions of Cloudstack documentation:
>>
>>http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4
>>.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>>
>>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>>
>>
>>
>>What to do modified ?
>>
>>modify URL from 
>>http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to 
>>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>>
>>
>>
>>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Raja
>>
>>Senior Manager, Product Development
>>
>>Accelerite,
>>
>>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>
>>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>Paul Angus
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Paul Angus
>>
>>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>>www.shapeblue.com
>>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
>
>
>
>
&

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Paul Angus]

Raja,

As this effects every copy of CloudStack and CloudPlatform there ever was.  
Please may I ask how long we have to manage a migration away from 
download.cloud.com?



Kind regards,

Paul Angus

Regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue

-Original Message-
From: Raja Pullela [mailto:raja.pull...@accelerite.com] 
Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

Hi Paul,

Thank you for the additional file details and I will request wido to copy these 
as well.  

BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out there and reason 
why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as well.  Looks like we 
missed few and get these uploaded as well.  

Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address and we have to 
get all the CloudStack related content from there.  Once we confirm on the 
content move Citrix may choose to remove the content from the location.

That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete copy such that 
we have everything.

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite

On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus" <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
>Raja,
>
>I've just picked up on this.
>
>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack database 
>for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every copy of 
>CloudStack out there.
>
>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f84
>755767aca.vhd.bz2
>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd
>8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
>http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>
>
>These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new location.
>
>
>I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's contents for 
>some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>
>
>Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>
>
>
>Which sections to be modified?
>
>
>
>The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are 
>mentioned below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other Released 
>versions of Cloudstack documentation:
>
>http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4
>.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>
>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>
>
>
>What to do modified ?
>
>modify URL from 
>http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to 
>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>
>
>
>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Raja
>
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>
>Accelerite,
>
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>www.shapeblue.com
>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue




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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Hi Indra,

I will check this and get back.

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite

On 5/14/16, 11:45 AM, "Indra Pramana"  wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>Is there an alternative solution for now where I can download below URL?
>
>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>
>It's the default CentOS 5.5 (64-bit) no GUI template for KVM. I checked and
>the above copy is not yet on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.
>
>Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
>
>Cheers.
>
>
>
>On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Paul Angus 
>wrote:
>
>> Raja,
>>
>> I've just picked up on this.
>>
>> There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack
>> database for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every
>> copy of CloudStack out there.
>>
>>
>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
>>
>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>>
>>
>> These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new
>> location.
>>
>>
>> I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's contents
>> for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>>
>>
>>
>> Which sections to be modified?
>>
>>
>>
>> The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are mentioned
>> below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other Released versions of
>> Cloudstack documentation:
>>
>>
>> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>>
>> Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>>
>>
>>
>> What to do modified ?
>>
>> modify URL from http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util
>> to
>> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>>
>>
>>
>> @Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Raja
>>
>> Senior Manager, Product Development
>>
>> Accelerite,
>>
>> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>>
>> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Paul Angus
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Paul Angus
>>
>> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>> www.shapeblue.com
>> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>> @shapeblue
>>




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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Hi Paul,

Thank you for the additional file details and I will request wido to copy these 
as well.  

BTW, I agree with you there is every copy of CloudStack out there and reason 
why I have requested Wido to download all the old files as well.  Looks like we 
missed few and get these uploaded as well.  

Please note that Citrix owns the “download.cloud.com” address and we have to 
get all the CloudStack related content from there.  Once we confirm on the 
content move Citrix may choose to remove the content from the location.

That said, I will get in touch with Wido again and do a complete copy such that 
we have everything.

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite

On 5/14/16, 7:12 AM, "Paul Angus"  wrote:
>Raja,
>
>I've just picked up on this.
>
>There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack database 
>for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every copy of 
>CloudStack out there.
>
>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
>http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
>http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
>http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>
>
>These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new location.
>
>
>I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's contents for 
>some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>
>
>Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>
>
>
>Which sections to be modified?
>
>
>
>The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are mentioned
>below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other Released versions of
>Cloudstack documentation:
>
>http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>
>Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>
>
>
>What to do modified ?
>
>modify URL from http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to
>http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>
>
>
>@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Raja
>
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>
>Accelerite,
>
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
>www.shapeblue.com
>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
>@shapeblue




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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Indra Pramana]

Dear all,

Is there an alternative solution for now where I can download below URL?

http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2

It's the default CentOS 5.5 (64-bit) no GUI template for KVM. I checked and
the above copy is not yet on cloudstack.apt-get.eu.

Looking forward to your reply, thank you.

Cheers.



On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Paul Angus 
wrote:

> Raja,
>
> I've just picked up on this.
>
> There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack
> database for the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every
> copy of CloudStack out there.
>
>
> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
>
> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
> http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
> http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
> http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz
>
>
> These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new
> location.
>
>
> I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's contents
> for some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>
>
>
> Which sections to be modified?
>
>
>
> The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are mentioned
> below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other Released versions of
> Cloudstack documentation:
>
>
> http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
>
> Section - Downloading vhd-util¶
>
>
>
> What to do modified ?
>
> modify URL from http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util
> to
> http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util
>
>
>
> @Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Raja
>
> Senior Manager, Product Development
>
> Accelerite,
>
> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>
> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Paul Angus
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Angus
>
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
> @shapeblue
>

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Paul Angus]

Raja,

I've just picked up on this.

There are a number of URLs which are hardcoded into the CloudStack database for 
the small built-in templates.  These are in just about every copy of CloudStack 
out there.

http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/f59f18fb-ae94-4f97-afd2-f84755767aca.vhd.bz2
http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/eec2209b-9875-3c8d-92be-c001bd8a0faf.qcow2.bz2
http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos56-x86_64.vhd.bz2
http://download.cloud.com/releases/4.3/centos6_4_64bit.vhd.bz2
http://download.cloud.com/releases/2.2.0/CentOS5.3-x86_64.ova
http://download.cloud.com/templates/builtin/centos-7-x86_64.tar.gz


These will need copying and the CloudStack code updating to the new location.


I don't think that you can deprecate download.cloud.com or it's contents for 
some time, without causing a lot of issues for users.









Hi,



Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu



Which sections to be modified?



The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are mentioned
below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other Released versions of
Cloudstack documentation:

http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util

Section - Downloading vhd-util¶



What to do modified ?

modify URL from http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to
http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util



@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?



Thanks

Raja

Senior Manager, Product Development

Accelerite,

2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA

Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite


Kind regards,

Paul Angus


Regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Hi,

Short Term - all the content has moved to cloudstack.apt-get.eu

Which sections to be modified?

The Install Guide needs to be modified.  Sample links/details are mentioned 
below for 4.6 and same needs to be updated for other Released versions of 
Cloudstack documentation: 
http://docs.cloudstack.apache.org/projects/cloudstack-installation/en/4.6/management-server/#downloading-vhd-util
 
Section - Downloading vhd-util¶

What to do modified ?
modify URL from http://download.cloud.com.s3.amazonaws.com/tools/vhd-util to  
http://cloudstack.apt-get.eu/tools/vhd-util


@Rajsekhar can you please update the sections ?

Thanks
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite

-Original Message-
From: sebgoa [mailto:run...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:36 PM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com


> On Mar 30, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Raja Pullela <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> 
> Just to summarize... and to close this thread for now,
> 
> 1) short term - we will move the content to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> 2) long term - can someone from PMC or Cloudstack Apache Infra help find out 
> the details on how to all the cloustack (downloads - software, sys templates 
> etc) content hosted on 'download.cloudstack.org'  or something similar.
> 

Can you start a separate thread on this last item, I don’t understand what you 
mean by it

> Best,
> Raja
> Senior Manager, Product Development
> Accelerite,
> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:38 PM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> 
> If someone can figure out a community/ASF acceptable way of the ACS community 
> owning a suitable vendor-neutral domain name, within the community we have 
> enough resources to physically host it (including the space donated by BT via 
> ShapeBlue).
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul Angus
> 
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:19 PM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> 
> One of the issues as far as I know is that as Apache CloudStack we have to be 
> strict with what we distribute. Meaning, we won't be able to push noredist 
> stuff, which is a pity.
> 
> Erik
> 
> Den lørdag 26. mars 2016 skrev Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> følgende:
> 
>> Does Apache provide such hosting services? It seems that the Apache 
>> infrastructure is very restrictive, perhaps we should ask whether 
>> they can provide reliable hosting for templates and other downloads.
>> 
>> If Apache is ruled out as an option I recommend we have the community 
>> contribute the hosting (happy to volunteer) but the URL should be a 
>> community URL and not specific to a commercial vendor. It should 
>> probably be mirrored geographically as well.
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> On Saturday, 26 March 2016, Ian Duffy <i...@ianduffy.ie 
>> <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't there some specific 
>>> closed source citrix magic added to the templates at 
>>> downloads.cloud.com that
>> was
>>> Cloud Platform specific?
>>> 
>>> Ideally, this stuff should be hosted on an Apache Cloudstack 
>>> infrastructure or atleast the main community source ( 
>>> cloudstack.apt-get.eu, shapeblue repo, etc.).
>>> 
>>> On 25 March 2016 at 15:00, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>
>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <
>>> raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal 
>>>>> of
>>> this
>>>> exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and 
>>>> hence
>> the
>>>> efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.
>>>> Since Wido is ok with hosting the content on 
>>>> 'cloudsta

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[sebgoa]

> On Mar 30, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Raja Pullela <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:
> 
> Just to summarize... and to close this thread for now,  
> 
> 1) short term - we will move the content to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
> 2) long term - can someone from PMC or Cloudstack Apache Infra help find out 
> the details on how to all the cloustack (downloads - software, sys templates 
> etc) content hosted on 'download.cloudstack.org'  or something similar.
> 

Can you start a separate thread on this last item, I don’t understand what you 
mean by it

> Best,
> Raja
> Senior Manager, Product Development
> Accelerite,  
> 2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
> Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:38 PM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> 
> If someone can figure out a community/ASF acceptable way of the ACS community 
> owning a suitable vendor-neutral domain name, within the community we have 
> enough resources to physically host it (including the space donated by BT via 
> ShapeBlue).
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul Angus
> 
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:19 PM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> 
> One of the issues as far as I know is that as Apache CloudStack we have to be 
> strict with what we distribute. Meaning, we won't be able to push noredist 
> stuff, which is a pity.
> 
> Erik
> 
> Den lørdag 26. mars 2016 skrev Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> følgende:
> 
>> Does Apache provide such hosting services? It seems that the Apache 
>> infrastructure is very restrictive, perhaps we should ask whether they 
>> can provide reliable hosting for templates and other downloads.
>> 
>> If Apache is ruled out as an option I recommend we have the community 
>> contribute the hosting (happy to volunteer) but the URL should be a 
>> community URL and not specific to a commercial vendor. It should 
>> probably be mirrored geographically as well.
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> On Saturday, 26 March 2016, Ian Duffy <i...@ianduffy.ie <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't there some specific 
>>> closed source citrix magic added to the templates at 
>>> downloads.cloud.com that
>> was
>>> Cloud Platform specific?
>>> 
>>> Ideally, this stuff should be hosted on an Apache Cloudstack 
>>> infrastructure or atleast the main community source ( 
>>> cloudstack.apt-get.eu, shapeblue repo, etc.).
>>> 
>>> On 25 March 2016 at 15:00, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>
>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <
>>> raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal 
>>>>> of
>>> this
>>>> exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and 
>>>> hence
>> the
>>>> efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.
>>>> Since Wido is ok with hosting the content on 
>>>> 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu',
>> it
>>>> is even better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ok cool.
>>>> 
>>>> We had other threads about avoiding company specific URL in docs. 
>>>> So
>>> let’s
>>>> definitely avoid that.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> @Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Raja
>>>>> Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 
>>>>> www.accelerite.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com <javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:57 PM
>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
>>>>>

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Abhi,  they all moved to support.accelerite.com and are accessible there.

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite

-Original Message-
From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@shapeblue.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 4:18 PM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

Raja,

  There are many trouble shooting articles on support.citrix.com, they have all 
been removed.
Will you know where they are going to be moved.




On 30/03/16, 11:06 AM, "Raja Pullela" <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:

>Just to summarize... and to close this thread for now,
>
>1) short term - we will move the content to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>2) long term - can someone from PMC or Cloudstack Apache Infra help find out 
>the details on how to all the cloustack (downloads - software, sys templates 
>etc) content hosted on 'download.cloudstack.org'  or something similar.
>
>Best,
>Raja
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>Accelerite,
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com]
>Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:38 PM
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>If someone can figure out a community/ASF acceptable way of the ACS community 
>owning a suitable vendor-neutral domain name, within the community we have 
>enough resources to physically host it (including the space donated by BT via 
>ShapeBlue).
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>www.shapeblue.com
>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:19 PM
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>One of the issues as far as I know is that as Apache CloudStack we have to be 
>strict with what we distribute. Meaning, we won't be able to push noredist 
>stuff, which is a pity.
>
>Erik
>
>Den lørdag 26. mars 2016 skrev Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> følgende:
>
>> Does Apache provide such hosting services? It seems that the Apache 
>> infrastructure is very restrictive, perhaps we should ask whether 
>> they can provide reliable hosting for templates and other downloads.
>>
>> If Apache is ruled out as an option I recommend we have the community 
>> contribute the hosting (happy to volunteer) but the URL should be a 
>> community URL and not specific to a commercial vendor. It should 
>> probably be mirrored geographically as well.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Saturday, 26 March 2016, Ian Duffy <i...@ianduffy.ie 
>> <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't there some specific 
>> > closed source citrix magic added to the templates at 
>> > downloads.cloud.com that
>> was
>> > Cloud Platform specific?
>> >
>> > Ideally, this stuff should be hosted on an Apache Cloudstack 
>> > infrastructure or atleast the main community source ( 
>> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, shapeblue repo, etc.).
>> >
>> > On 25 March 2016 at 15:00, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>
>> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <
>> > raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the 
>> > > > goal of
>> > this
>> > > exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and 
>> > > hence
>> the
>> > > efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.
>> > > Since Wido is ok with hosting the content on 
>> > > 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu',
>> it
>> > > is even better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Ok cool.
>> > >
>> > > We had other threads about avoiding company specific URL in docs. 
>> > > So
>> > let’s
>> > > definitely avoid that.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > @Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.
>> > >

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Abhinandan Prateek]

Raja,

  There are many trouble shooting articles on support.citrix.com, they have all 
been removed.
Will you know where they are going to be moved.




On 30/03/16, 11:06 AM, "Raja Pullela" <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> wrote:

>Just to summarize... and to close this thread for now,  
>
>1) short term - we will move the content to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
>2) long term - can someone from PMC or Cloudstack Apache Infra help find out 
>the details on how to all the cloustack (downloads - software, sys templates 
>etc) content hosted on 'download.cloudstack.org'  or something similar.
>
>Best,
>Raja
>Senior Manager, Product Development
>Accelerite,  
>2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
>Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] 
>Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:38 PM
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>If someone can figure out a community/ASF acceptable way of the ACS community 
>owning a suitable vendor-neutral domain name, within the community we have 
>enough resources to physically host it (including the space donated by BT via 
>ShapeBlue).
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul Angus
>
>paul.an...@shapeblue.com
>www.shapeblue.com
>53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:19 PM
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
>One of the issues as far as I know is that as Apache CloudStack we have to be 
>strict with what we distribute. Meaning, we won't be able to push noredist 
>stuff, which is a pity.
>
>Erik
>
>Den lørdag 26. mars 2016 skrev Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> følgende:
>
>> Does Apache provide such hosting services? It seems that the Apache 
>> infrastructure is very restrictive, perhaps we should ask whether they 
>> can provide reliable hosting for templates and other downloads.
>>
>> If Apache is ruled out as an option I recommend we have the community 
>> contribute the hosting (happy to volunteer) but the URL should be a 
>> community URL and not specific to a commercial vendor. It should 
>> probably be mirrored geographically as well.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On Saturday, 26 March 2016, Ian Duffy <i...@ianduffy.ie <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't there some specific 
>> > closed source citrix magic added to the templates at 
>> > downloads.cloud.com that
>> was
>> > Cloud Platform specific?
>> >
>> > Ideally, this stuff should be hosted on an Apache Cloudstack 
>> > infrastructure or atleast the main community source ( 
>> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, shapeblue repo, etc.).
>> >
>> > On 25 March 2016 at 15:00, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>
>> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <
>> > raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal 
>> > > > of
>> > this
>> > > exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and 
>> > > hence
>> the
>> > > efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.
>> > > Since Wido is ok with hosting the content on 
>> > > 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu',
>> it
>> > > is even better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Ok cool.
>> > >
>> > > We had other threads about avoiding company specific URL in docs. 
>> > > So
>> > let’s
>> > > definitely avoid that.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > @Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.
>> > > >
>> > > > Best,
>> > > > Raja
>> > > > Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 
>> > > > www.accelerite.com
>> > > >
>> > > > -Original Message-
>> > > > From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com <javascript:;>
>> <javascript:;>]
>> > > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:57 PM
>> > > > To: dev@

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Just to summarize... and to close this thread for now,  

1) short term - we will move the content to cloudstack.apt-get.eu
2) long term - can someone from PMC or Cloudstack Apache Infra help find out 
the details on how to all the cloustack (downloads - software, sys templates 
etc) content hosted on 'download.cloudstack.org'  or something similar.

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,  
2055, Laurelwood Road,  Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA
Phone: 1-408-216-7010,  www.accelerite.com, @accelerite 

-Original Message-
From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:38 PM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

If someone can figure out a community/ASF acceptable way of the ACS community 
owning a suitable vendor-neutral domain name, within the community we have 
enough resources to physically host it (including the space donated by BT via 
ShapeBlue).



Regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue

-Original Message-
From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:19 PM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

One of the issues as far as I know is that as Apache CloudStack we have to be 
strict with what we distribute. Meaning, we won't be able to push noredist 
stuff, which is a pity.

Erik

Den lørdag 26. mars 2016 skrev Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> følgende:

> Does Apache provide such hosting services? It seems that the Apache 
> infrastructure is very restrictive, perhaps we should ask whether they 
> can provide reliable hosting for templates and other downloads.
>
> If Apache is ruled out as an option I recommend we have the community 
> contribute the hosting (happy to volunteer) but the URL should be a 
> community URL and not specific to a commercial vendor. It should 
> probably be mirrored geographically as well.
>
> Ian
>
> On Saturday, 26 March 2016, Ian Duffy <i...@ianduffy.ie <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't there some specific 
> > closed source citrix magic added to the templates at 
> > downloads.cloud.com that
> was
> > Cloud Platform specific?
> >
> > Ideally, this stuff should be hosted on an Apache Cloudstack 
> > infrastructure or atleast the main community source ( 
> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, shapeblue repo, etc.).
> >
> > On 25 March 2016 at 15:00, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <
> > raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal 
> > > > of
> > this
> > > exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and 
> > > hence
> the
> > > efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.
> > > Since Wido is ok with hosting the content on 
> > > 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu',
> it
> > > is even better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ok cool.
> > >
> > > We had other threads about avoiding company specific URL in docs. 
> > > So
> > let’s
> > > definitely avoid that.
> > >
> > >
> > > > @Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Raja
> > > > Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 
> > > > www.accelerite.com
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:57 PM
> > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from 
> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > >
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some
> > > time  now
> > > >>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and
> some
> > > tools.
> > > >>>> Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
> > > >>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
> > > >

RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Paul Angus]

If someone can figure out a community/ASF acceptable way of the ACS community 
owning a suitable vendor-neutral domain name, within the community we have 
enough resources to physically host it (including the space donated by BT via 
ShapeBlue).



Regards,

Paul Angus

paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
www.shapeblue.com
53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
@shapeblue

-Original Message-
From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:19 PM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

One of the issues as far as I know is that as Apache CloudStack we have to be 
strict with what we distribute. Meaning, we won't be able to push noredist 
stuff, which is a pity.

Erik

Den lørdag 26. mars 2016 skrev Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> følgende:

> Does Apache provide such hosting services? It seems that the Apache 
> infrastructure is very restrictive, perhaps we should ask whether they 
> can provide reliable hosting for templates and other downloads.
>
> If Apache is ruled out as an option I recommend we have the community 
> contribute the hosting (happy to volunteer) but the URL should be a 
> community URL and not specific to a commercial vendor. It should 
> probably be mirrored geographically as well.
>
> Ian
>
> On Saturday, 26 March 2016, Ian Duffy <i...@ianduffy.ie <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't there some specific 
> > closed source citrix magic added to the templates at 
> > downloads.cloud.com that
> was
> > Cloud Platform specific?
> >
> > Ideally, this stuff should be hosted on an Apache Cloudstack 
> > infrastructure or atleast the main community source ( 
> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, shapeblue repo, etc.).
> >
> > On 25 March 2016 at 15:00, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <
> > raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal 
> > > > of
> > this
> > > exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and 
> > > hence
> the
> > > efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.
> > > Since Wido is ok with hosting the content on 
> > > 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu',
> it
> > > is even better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ok cool.
> > >
> > > We had other threads about avoiding company specific URL in docs. 
> > > So
> > let’s
> > > definitely avoid that.
> > >
> > >
> > > > @Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Raja
> > > > Senior Manager, Product Development Accelerite, 
> > > > www.accelerite.com
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:57 PM
> > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from 
> > > > download.cloud.com
> > > >
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some
> > > time  now
> > > >>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and
> some
> > > tools.
> > > >>>> Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
> > > >>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
> > > >>>> "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the
> > > links in the
> > > >>>> documentation  to reflect
> > > >
> > > > Raja, I am going to give this a strong -1
> > > >
> > > > We talked about these sorts of things before and it is not
> appropriate.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>> these  changes and will provide an update  once the  content  
> > > >>>> move is complete.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to 
> > > >>>> "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Erik Weber]

One of the issues as far as I know is that as Apache CloudStack we have to
be strict with what we distribute. Meaning, we won't be able to push
noredist stuff, which is a pity.

Erik

Den lørdag 26. mars 2016 skrev Ian Rae <i...@cloudops.com> følgende:

> Does Apache provide such hosting services? It seems that the Apache
> infrastructure is very restrictive, perhaps we should ask whether they can
> provide reliable hosting for templates and other downloads.
>
> If Apache is ruled out as an option I recommend we have the community
> contribute the hosting (happy to volunteer) but the URL should be a
> community URL and not specific to a commercial vendor. It should probably
> be mirrored geographically as well.
>
> Ian
>
> On Saturday, 26 March 2016, Ian Duffy <i...@ianduffy.ie <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't there some specific closed
> > source citrix magic added to the templates at downloads.cloud.com that
> was
> > Cloud Platform specific?
> >
> > Ideally, this stuff should be hosted on an Apache Cloudstack
> > infrastructure or atleast the main community source (
> > cloudstack.apt-get.eu, shapeblue repo, etc.).
> >
> > On 25 March 2016 at 15:00, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <
> > raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal of
> > this
> > > exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and hence
> the
> > > efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.
> > > Since Wido is ok with hosting the content on 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu',
> it
> > > is even better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ok cool.
> > >
> > > We had other threads about avoiding company specific URL in docs. So
> > let’s
> > > definitely avoid that.
> > >
> > >
> > > > @Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Raja
> > > > Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > > Accelerite,
> > > > www.accelerite.com
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> <javascript:;>]
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:57 PM
> > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> > > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > > >
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some
> > > time  now
> > > >>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and
> some
> > > tools.
> > > >>>> Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
> > > >>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
> > > >>>> "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the
> > > links in the
> > > >>>> documentation  to reflect
> > > >
> > > > Raja, I am going to give this a strong -1
> > > >
> > > > We talked about these sorts of things before and it is not
> appropriate.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>> these  changes and will provide an update  once the  content  move
> > > >>>> is complete.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to
> > > >>>> "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that will be great.  I can provide you
> the
> > > details in a separate email.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > > @Wido, I think we need to host the sysVM on apt-get.eu and let that
> be
> > > the primary source and links in the docs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>> Wido
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Best,
> > > >>>> Raja
> > > >>>> Senior Manager, Product Developm

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Ian Rae]

Does Apache provide such hosting services? It seems that the Apache
infrastructure is very restrictive, perhaps we should ask whether they can
provide reliable hosting for templates and other downloads.

If Apache is ruled out as an option I recommend we have the community
contribute the hosting (happy to volunteer) but the URL should be a
community URL and not specific to a commercial vendor. It should probably
be mirrored geographically as well.

Ian

On Saturday, 26 March 2016, Ian Duffy <i...@ianduffy.ie> wrote:

> I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't there some specific closed
> source citrix magic added to the templates at downloads.cloud.com that was
> Cloud Platform specific?
>
> Ideally, this stuff should be hosted on an Apache Cloudstack
> infrastructure or atleast the main community source (
> cloudstack.apt-get.eu, shapeblue repo, etc.).
>
> On 25 March 2016 at 15:00, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> >
> > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <
> raja.pull...@accelerite.com <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal of
> this
> > exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and hence the
> > efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.
> > Since Wido is ok with hosting the content on 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu', it
> > is even better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.
> > >
> >
> > Ok cool.
> >
> > We had other threads about avoiding company specific URL in docs. So
> let’s
> > definitely avoid that.
> >
> >
> > > @Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Raja
> > > Senior Manager, Product Development
> > > Accelerite,
> > > www.accelerite.com
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com <javascript:;>]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:57 PM
> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org <javascript:;>
> > > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> > >
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some
> > time  now
> > >>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some
> > tools.
> > >>>> Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
> > >>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
> > >>>> "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the
> > links in the
> > >>>> documentation  to reflect
> > >
> > > Raja, I am going to give this a strong -1
> > >
> > > We talked about these sorts of things before and it is not appropriate.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> these  changes and will provide an update  once the  content  move
> > >>>> is complete.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to
> > >>>> "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that will be great.  I can provide you the
> > details in a separate email.
> > >>>
> > >>> Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.
> > >>>
> > >
> > > @Wido, I think we need to host the sysVM on apt-get.eu and let that be
> > the primary source and links in the docs.
> > >
> > >
> > >>> Wido
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best,
> > >>>> Raja
> > >>>> Senior Manager, Product Development, Accelerite,
> > >>>> www.accelerite.com<http://www.accelerite.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Ian Duffy]

I could be completely wrong here, but wasn't there some specific closed
source citrix magic added to the templates at downloads.cloud.com that was
Cloud Platform specific?

Ideally, this stuff should be hosted on an Apache Cloudstack
infrastructure or atleast the main community source (
cloudstack.apt-get.eu, shapeblue repo, etc.).

On 25 March 2016 at 15:00, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <raja.pull...@accelerite.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal of this
> exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and hence the
> efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.
> Since Wido is ok with hosting the content on 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu', it
> is even better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.
> >
>
> Ok cool.
>
> We had other threads about avoiding company specific URL in docs. So let’s
> definitely avoid that.
>
>
> > @Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.
> >
> > Best,
> > Raja
> > Senior Manager, Product Development
> > Accelerite,
> > www.accelerite.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:57 PM
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some
> time  now
> >>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some
> tools.
> >>>> Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
> >>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
> >>>> "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the
> links in the
> >>>> documentation  to reflect
> >
> > Raja, I am going to give this a strong -1
> >
> > We talked about these sorts of things before and it is not appropriate.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> these  changes and will provide an update  once the  content  move
> >>>> is complete.
> >>>>
> >>>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to
> >>>> "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that will be great.  I can provide you the
> details in a separate email.
> >>>
> >>> Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.
> >>>
> >
> > @Wido, I think we need to host the sysVM on apt-get.eu and let that be
> the primary source and links in the docs.
> >
> >
> >>> Wido
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Raja
> >>>> Senior Manager, Product Development, Accelerite,
> >>>> www.accelerite.com<http://www.accelerite.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Sebastien Goasguen]

> On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Raja Pullela <raja.pull...@accelerite.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> @Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal of this 
> exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and hence the 
> efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.  Since 
> Wido is ok with hosting the content on 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu', it is even 
> better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.
> 

Ok cool.

We had other threads about avoiding company specific URL in docs. So let’s 
definitely avoid that.


> @Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.
> 
> Best,
> Raja
> Senior Manager, Product Development
> Accelerite,
> www.accelerite.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:57 PM
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
> 
>>>> 
>>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some time  now
>>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some  tools.
>>>> Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
>>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
>>>> "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the  links in 
>>>> the
>>>> documentation  to reflect
> 
> Raja, I am going to give this a strong -1
> 
> We talked about these sorts of things before and it is not appropriate.
> 
> 
> 
>>>> these  changes and will provide an update  once the  content  move
>>>> is complete.
>>>> 
>>>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to
>>>> "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that will be great.  I can provide you the 
>>>> details in a separate email.
>>> 
>>> Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.
>>> 
> 
> @Wido, I think we need to host the sysVM on apt-get.eu and let that be the 
> primary source and links in the docs.
> 
> 
>>> Wido
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Raja
>>>> Senior Manager, Product Development, Accelerite,
>>>> www.accelerite.com<http://www.accelerite.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Rafael Weingärtner]

I agree with Nux.
Does not Apache CloudStack have its own domain?

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:

> +1 on keeping the download sites company agnostic.
>
> Shouldn't we take the opportunity and create a download.cloudstack.org or
> similar now?
>
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <run...@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Friday, 25 March, 2016 08:26:52
> > Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com
>
> >>>>
> >>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some
> time  now
> >>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some
> tools.
> >>>>  Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
> >>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
> >>>> "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the
> links in the
> >>>> documentation  to reflect
> >
> > Raja, I am going to give this a strong -1
> >
> > We talked about these sorts of things before and it is not appropriate.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>>  these  changes and will provide an update  once
> >>>> the  content  move  is complete.
> >>>>
> >>>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"
> that
> >>>> will be great.  I can provide you the details in a separate email.
> >>>
> >>> Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.
> >>>
> >
> > @Wido, I think we need to host the sysVM on apt-get.eu and let that be
> the
> > primary source and links in the docs.
> >
> >
> >>> Wido
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Raja
> >>>> Senior Manager, Product Development,
> >>>> Accelerite,
> >>>> www.accelerite.com<http://www.accelerite.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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>



-- 
Rafael Weingärtner

Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Nux!]

+1 on keeping the download sites company agnostic.

Shouldn't we take the opportunity and create a download.cloudstack.org or 
similar now?

Lucian

--
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Nux!
www.nux.ro

- Original Message -
> From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <run...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Friday, 25 March, 2016 08:26:52
> Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

>>>> 
>>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some time  now
>>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some  tools.
>>>>  Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
>>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
>>>> "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the  links in 
>>>> the
>>>> documentation  to reflect
> 
> Raja, I am going to give this a strong -1
> 
> We talked about these sorts of things before and it is not appropriate.
> 
> 
> 
>>>>  these  changes and will provide an update  once
>>>> the  content  move  is complete.
>>>> 
>>>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that
>>>> will be great.  I can provide you the details in a separate email.
>>> 
>>> Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.
>>> 
> 
> @Wido, I think we need to host the sysVM on apt-get.eu and let that be the
> primary source and links in the docs.
> 
> 
>>> Wido
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Raja
>>>> Senior Manager, Product Development,
>>>> Accelerite,
>>>> www.accelerite.com<http://www.accelerite.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> ==
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>>>> the
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RE: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

@Sebastien,  thanks for the feedback.  please note that the goal of this 
exercise was not to impact any users during this migration and hence the 
efforts to place the content at a location where we could move it to.  Since 
Wido is ok with hosting the content on 'cloudstack.apt-get.eu', it is even 
better.  I will work with Wido on the next steps.

@Ilya,  'cloud.com' is not getting transferred.

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development
Accelerite,
www.accelerite.com

-Original Message-
From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:57 PM
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

>>>
>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some time  now
>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some  tools.
>>>  Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
>>> "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the  links in the
>>> documentation  to reflect

Raja, I am going to give this a strong -1

We talked about these sorts of things before and it is not appropriate.



>>>  these  changes and will provide an update  once the  content  move
>>> is complete.
>>>
>>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to
>>> "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that will be great.  I can provide you the details 
>>> in a separate email.
>>
>> Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.
>>

@Wido, I think we need to host the sysVM on apt-get.eu and let that be the 
primary source and links in the docs.


>> Wido
>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Raja
>>> Senior Manager, Product Development, Accelerite,
>>> www.accelerite.com<http://www.accelerite.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Sebastien Goasguen]

>>> 
>>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some time  now
>>> and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some  tools.
>>>  Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
>>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
>>> "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the  links in the
>>> documentation  to reflect

Raja, I am going to give this a strong -1

We talked about these sorts of things before and it is not appropriate.



>>>  these  changes and will provide an update  once
>>> the  content  move  is complete.
>>> 
>>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that
>>> will be great.  I can provide you the details in a separate email.
>> 
>> Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.
>> 

@Wido, I think we need to host the sysVM on apt-get.eu and let that be the 
primary source and links in the docs.


>> Wido
>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Raja
>>> Senior Manager, Product Development,
>>> Accelerite,
>>> www.accelerite.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[ilya]

Raja

Would you know if cloud.com domain will be transferred to accelerite?

Regards
ilya

On 3/24/16 5:38 AM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> 
>> Op 24 maart 2016 om 13:33 schreef Raja Pullela :
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some time  now
>>  and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some  tools.
>>   Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
>> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
>>  "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the  links in the
>>  documentation  to reflect  these  changes and will provide an update  once
>>  the  content  move  is complete.
>>
>> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that
>>  will be great.  I can provide you the details in a separate email.
> 
> Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.
> 
> Wido
> 
>>
>> Best,
>> Raja
>> Senior Manager, Product Development,
>> Accelerite,
>> www.accelerite.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ==
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>> error, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this message.
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Re: Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Wido den Hollander]

> Op 24 maart 2016 om 13:33 schreef Raja Pullela :
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some time  now
>  and  it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some  tools.
>   Going forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from
> "download.cloud.com".So, we will be moving  this content  to
>  "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  will also be  updating  the  links in the
>  documentation  to reflect  these  changes and will provide an update  once
>  the  content  move  is complete.
> 
> @Wido, if you could also copy this content to "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that
>  will be great.  I can provide you the details in a separate email.

Super! If you have a rsync source I will set it up.

Wido

> 
> Best,
> Raja
> Senior Manager, Product Development,
> Accelerite,
> www.accelerite.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Migrating CloudStack content from download.cloud.com

[Raja Pullela]

Hi,

Citrix has been hosting   "download.cloud.com"  for  quite  some time  now  and 
 it holds  the  System Templates for all the releases and  some  tools.   Going 
forward,  this  content  needs  to  be  moved  from "download.cloud.com".
So, we will be moving  this content  to  "cloudstack.accelerite.com".I  
will also be  updating  the  links in the  documentation  to reflect  these  
changes and will provide an update  once  the  content  move  is complete.

@Wido, if you could also copy this content to "cloudstack.apt-get.eu"  that  
will be great.  I can provide you the details in a separate email.

Best,
Raja
Senior Manager, Product Development,
Accelerite,
www.accelerite.com




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