Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
pippin;366837 Wrote: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qjFgc1uRRGk 1:40 or so. Looks pretty much the same as the iPeng issue. He needs to learn how to use it. All he needs to do is tap the volume bar and it will go up and down as he requires. Judging by the amount of pressure he's putting on the screen, he'd never used an Apple Touch before - it's not a pressure sensitive screen and pressing down harder and harder only makes matters worse. You simply either need to gently drag the slider, or tap the volume bar above or below as required. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng Application 1.0 now on the App Store
pippin;365884 Wrote: The volume slider is a bit problematic. Just saw a video of the sonos app and it seems to have the same issue. I'm not sure what you saw, but you're wrong. It worked just fine at release until iPhone 2.2 firmware was released and then it broke due to Apple changes. Sonos sent a fix to Apple on the next working day and this resolved the issue again. You can either drag the volume slider or move it incrementally up/down as required. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app
pippin;359243 Wrote: Didn't really test it on versions before 7.2 but I would expect it to run on 7.0+, Alarm (which is what would need 7.2) is not yet in. That's fine, I can go 7.2. Thanks. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app
pippin;358827 Wrote: Tomorrow. Just so much: More than Sonos... Can't wait for this one...what version of SqueezeCenter will I need? -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app
Luke Redpath;359269 Wrote: I can also confirm that iSqueeze will no longer be called iSqueeze on its final release. I'm still yet to decide on a name although I quite like the name Concertina. :) I thought of a name, you have PM :) -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app
ajkidle;355371 Wrote: Obviously selling more iPods is not in Logitech's interest, but when I use a Touch to control the SBR, it'll be that much easier to rope friends family into the cool world of Squeezebox Is that because an iPod remote would be better? Cheaper? Or just cooler? -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app
lanierb;354775 Wrote: One reason they don't do it might be that it could undercut controller sales. Not sure if that's it, but it's one reason for Logitech not to do it. Yes, it's inevitably going to change the sales demographic for Sonos. People are likely to buy less controllers and also less of the bundles containing controllers. Sales of CR100 controllers will undoubtedly drop. But this is a 4 year old product and Sonos have had very good mileage out of it. All the RD required to develop that original product was huge. Back in 2004 the components within it were extremely expensive. Prices of LCD screens, li-ion batteries and wifi components may have dropped since, but back then they cost a fortune. Take off the cost of shipping, packaging, dealer margins and tax off the price and it's clear that it must have taken a considerable time for Sonos to see return on the investment required in the controller development. Things moved on considerably before the launch of the SB controller, meaning it could be produced cheaper and some key components, like the LCD display, are of a higher quality that the Sonos CR100 for a lower retail price. Logitech also have the advantage of their extensive consumer electronics manufacturing background and production facilities in the far east. But the SB controller is still new and I doubt any business model had it producing a true return on investment in the 6 months or so since it's launch this year. They will need to shift more units of this product before introducing a free option for iPhone but, saying that, I doubt it will be that long until they do as they can't afford to be that far behind in the marketplace. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app
peterw;354797 Wrote: There was only one part of the demo video that looked interesting, the concept of proportionately related volume control for a group of synchronized players. FYI - This has been a Sonos function since the day of release 4yrs ago and is available from CR100, PC, Mac and now iPhone controllers. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app
I think you guys could argue this point forever, you're all right and all wrong at the same time...because there are 2 completely different markets for this kind of product and you're arguing from both camps. The first market are those who already own an iPhone or iPod touch. They carry it all the time, especially in the case of the phone, and it's a convenience to them if they can also control their music system from this device. An official or unofficial solution is suited to this market as they didn't buy the device for this purpose and any solution (even if it wasn't fully functioned or didn't work particularly well) is a bonus. Battery life, sharing the device etc. isn't a concern as only they will use it and then only from time to time. The second market comes from people who want a nice modern touchscreen controller. As well as being cool the touch interface also adds benefits in the form of an on-screen keyboard - ideal for artist/track searches which aren't so easy on a scroll wheel. For these people, this cool controller starts at $220 for a basic iPod Touch...it's a great price. Not only that, it can also be used as a portable media player with local music/video playback and it's a great little web browser. Sonos CR100 controller? $399 - Squeezebox Controller $292.12 (amazon.com) - iPod Touch 8GB $219.94 (amazon.com) It's obvious to see the attraction here, the iPod option is not only touch screen, but it can save $$ over the price of the proprietary controller option. People WILL buy them as dedicated controllers. People WILL pass them around at parties and people WILL treat them like any other controller. You run the Sonos controller on an iPod touch and it works like the CR100 controller only with a better screen and a touchscreen UI. You put it on the coffee table, it goes to sleep. You pick it up, the Sonos controller is still there when it wakes. No need to switch tasks, no complications, no extra effort. You run that Sonos controller software and keep it running and that's all it will ever be...the fact that it has an Apple badge on the backside makes no difference to the end user. You just use it, and charge it, like any other controller. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Game On: Sonos has an iPhone app
pippin;354239 Wrote: Why does it have to be officially sanctioned? Maybe it's enough if it's good? I don't think it has to be, but there are advantages. In the case of Sonos, having an official application helps to maintain feature equivalence between controller options. There were some 3rd party options, but they were unable to surface all the of the 3rd party music services like Napster and Rhapsody or browse using Album Art like the official application does. Even if they did, on the day of the release of Sonos 2.7 they wouldn't have supported any of the new additions like last.fm and Radiotime with it's podcasts etc. This would have meant that 3rd party application users had to wait for the developer to get up to speed on the new functions and then write/test new code. This can all take time, during which the iPod owner would be missing core functions. As it is, Sonos delivered a new iPhone application on the day of release of 2.7. Going forward there will be concurrent releases and feature equivalence meaning a Sonos owner can invest in an Apple controller with the reassurance that it will always support all the newer features going forward. You just couldn't get that with a 3rd party plug-in that's not even guaranteed to have another release. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54336 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Evaluating Both Sonos Squeezebox Before Buying - Your Thoughts
Nonreality;325491 Wrote: Yes Jaffacake is not to be trusted and I basically got into trouble here for saying that early on. I caught him in every forum there was putting down the SB and putting out lies about it. For some reason I got reprimanded for saying as much here. I do tend to call it as I see it and too bad if the powers don't see it that way. You got into trouble for making up false information about me and accusing me of stuff that simply wasn't true. Likewise, this thread appears to be going the same way. I've reported the 2 previous threads accordingly. I am not a liar and have never been proved to be so. Please, let's keep this civil and stick to the facts - there is no need for a personal attack on an individual who highlights weaknesses in a product. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50582 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cover Artwork incorrect only on DUET controller
oscarg;311400 Wrote: Has anyone else had this problem?? Yes, but I haven't had much chance to find out why. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spent 3 hours with tech support last night...
Howard, Very few people require an internal DNS server, but it's a common misconception that DHCP is hassle...it actually makes like significantly easier. Without DHCP, one has to manually supply IP address, subnet mask, default gateway and DNS server IP addresses manually on each device. In your case I gather this is some 22 devices? Into each you manually entered all this data. If, in the future, you want to change any of these details, you have to go to all 22 devices and change it. Which DHCP, you buy a new device and turn it on and it will generally just work. Nearly all devices will come out of the box with DHCP enabled. Indeed, DHCP is part of the UPNP specification meaning that UPNP compliant devices *must* support DHCP by default. Otherwise it's not plug play, it's plug, configure and pray. DHCP offers all of this convenience with almost no disadvantage whatsoever. If you want your device to have a reserved address that never changes, DHCP can do it. If you want to change the DNS on all network devices, DHCP can do it. Automatically. Without re-configuring the host machines. Generally on a network, only 2 types of devices need a static, hard coded IP address that isn't issued from a DHCP scope. The first are the DHCP servers themselves. The second are the routers or firewalls, usually this kind of hardware needs a static assignment. All other devices, workstations, server, printers etc. can be fully configured (and reconfigured) by DHCP. A fixed IP reservation can be used if you want this dynamically assigned address not to change, but assigning a hard coded address on the device is usually not best practice. The only time not using DHCP is advantageous is if your DHCP infrastructure is broken and refuses to issue address to new devices. In this case, the problem is that specific DHCP deployment, not the protocol itself. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48750 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Running SqueezeCenter on *2* Computers
radish;311183 Wrote: They can't switch automatically, but it's only a few remote presses to get from one to the other. Indeed, I currently have 4 SC servers running in my house. The controller or player will never switch between them without a push, even if the active one is shut down. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48796 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spent 3 hours with tech support last night...
maggior;311225 Wrote: My linksys router acts as my DHCP server. My network consists of 2 wireless squeezeboxes, 4 PCs, and 2 laptops. Only my laptops are set to use DHCP. My PCs are static because I have some port forwarding configured and the addresses need to remain static. Perhaps there is a way to set that up and still use DHCP, but this was easy for me to set up. My laptops are used elsewhere, so DHCP is perfect for them. I'd be very surprised if your router doesn't allow you to make an IP address 'fixed' 'reserved' 'static' or whatever terminology they chose. It's designed for port forwarding scenarios. I went to using static addresses on my squeezeboxes to speed up the network connection process. Often enough I move one of my squeezeboxes around to different rooms and I'd rather not have to wait for an IP address to be assigned while it initializes on power up. Perhaps running a DHCP server elsewhere would help that, but it's just easier for me with this set up. There should be no wait for an IP address, I'd expect a DHCP response within a fraction of a second. Open a command prompt on a windows DHCP configured PC and type: IPCONFIG /release then type: IPCONFIG /renew You'll see how long it takes to issue an IP address, it's truly negligible. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48750 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spent 3 hours with tech support last night...
iPhone;310846 Wrote: As Pat said, I had mine up and running in 10 minutes and I was sitting on the couch taking my time. I have had no real problems with it whatsoever. When I set Duets up for friends the average time after installing SC to get it up and running is about 6 minutes. I'm trying to avoid Howard's threads but please keep it real. Quoting the time it takes to get it up and running *AFTER* you've setup SqueezeCenter is a little pointless, no? For many beginners, setting up the SC server is the hardest part by far. You already had a server setup in your home, so your 10mins is irrelevant. For the other owners, you discount the setup time. In my case, just indexing the music took almost 2hours. That doesn't include the time I spent downloading the installer, getting SqueezeCenter to start etc. 10 minutes isn't just unrealistic for a new owner, it's impossible. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48750 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Syncing Music Services
Yes and no, it depends on the service. These services use DRM protection and SB can't sync a DRM protected signal it needs to be decoded first. Many of the services limit the number of devices which are allowed to connect to the service, for example on Rhapsody this is 3 devices. For various reasons, mainly copy protection, the decoding can only be done on the hardware...not in the server...so you need to open up one stream for each player in sync. Example: You're playing Rhapsody on SB #1. It's downloading the encrpyted data from Rhapsody to your player, decoding the stream and playing it back. Then you choose to sync SB #2. As there is no way that SB #1 can share the decoded stream with SB #2 directly, it too has to start downloading and decoding the stream from Rhapsody. When it's doing so, the streams can be synchronised. Add in SB #3 and the same happens again. But Rhapsody only allow 3 concurrent connections so a 4th player cannot connect. Also, if you use Rhapsody directly on a PC you may find you're limited to 2 devices. This doesn't just apply to sync, but to playback in general. The ability sync varies a little from service to service. Some work fine, some don't work at all, some are limited like Rhapsody is. Obviously to sync 3 players, you'll also need 3 times the bandwidth on your internet connection. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48523 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Syncing Music Services
This post covers the basic info you need http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=266351postcount=12 In summary, Pandora SHOULD work. Clearly it's not working for you. I'd suggest a new thread with a topic such as Problem syncing Pandora or something. Hopefully you'll get some attention as this thread seems to have gone fairly unnoticed. I can't test Pandora hear in the UK since they locked UK IP addresses out of the service, but I know it used to sync fine on my Sonos. Never used it on a Squeezebox. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48523 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeCenter won't populate album art
mathewbeall;309035 Wrote: Yes, in fact - all my music is on my readynas, and when I ran SC on readynas, it picked up all the album art no problem. I just installed SC on Windows XP (for faster response) and it doesn't see the album art! Exact same data store... :) Matt I've seen exactly the same issue, I have my music on a ReadyNAS too. Some art is picked up, some isn't. I switch between the servers and the result is completely different. Subscribing to thread in case somebody proposes a solution. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48542 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet - a suggestion for version 2
Phil Leigh;308252 Wrote: Many active/powered speakers have signal sensing/auto-off. Also not sure what you mean by extra power supply? the amp (wherever it is located) will need a suitably powerful PSU. My point was that powered speakers require just that...power. This is additional to the power supply required for the SBR...2 plugs instead of one. With US size plugs I guess this isn't a major issue, but UK plugs are pretty big and less is more for me when it comes to power supplies. Additionally, many regions have some extensive building codes. Integrating mains powered speakers isn't an easy task, especially if you want to hide the wires in walls. In the UK this is pretty much illegal without having the work certified by a qualified electrician - for reference, we can't even legally change a light fitting here without certification. So if, for example, I wanted to connect a receiver to some powered speakers which were fitted in the wall/ceiling, I would have no end of legislative hurdles to clear before the installation was legal. A separate amplifier may be easier but can also add an extra volume control complicating things again. Likewise, it would be 2 appliances trying to draw power on standby instead of 1. Even with an auto on/off for the speakers, there is still going to be a few watts going through them which I don't feel is ideal for the Green homes of the future. Hence an integrated amplifier, that powers off with the SBR, I feel is a good suggestion from the guy who suggested it and would offer people a good additional option. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48428 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Big pause in front of every song with sc 7
I find a significant pause when using SC7 on low performance hardware, such as my NAS. On a high powered windows server, things are much improved. I also find the delay increases if 2 or more players are synced. Could you consider changing all your music over to mp3 to avoid the need to transcode? -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48379 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sharing a server
Thanks Robin, I was kinda looking at out of the box support. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47434 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
bobkoure;300265 Wrote: There was something called an -Audiotron-, made by Turtle Beach. It read music files from a SMB server (which may or may not count as running off a server). Upper limit around 14K tracks. I think you might find that a lot of folks here had at least one of these beasties in their past. SMB is not an application server, it's just a file share. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Nonreality;300347 Wrote: Sorry about the poetry or lack of. I hope everyone knows Jaffacake by now. He likes to find problems in the Squeezebox and then helps people on other sites decide whether to go with the Squeezebox or Sonos. This problem he is now having with his imaginary Squeezebox is brought up so he can post elsewhere about the terrible problems of the Squeezebox. He likes to read about the older problems, then he brings them up again as a user. We help him and if our help isn't perfect he posts it so that he can show how much better the sonos is than a Squeezebox. He reviewed the Duet in the UK before it came out in the UK. He didn't have one, but that didn't matter. Of course it was a bad review. He has a web page that he claims is the best in the world, it might be (not), and has something big time against the Squeezebox or Logitech. Report to site staff: Off-topic harassment. This thread started with a genuine post from a genuine owner that now contains false accusations and libel. I suggest it is removed. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with buying decisoin
If possible, I would suggest you try the product out in a local retail store first. If a dealer has got one setup, you can see if it has the right kind of 'feel' for you before committing to an order. The 30-day money-back is only available online and repacking/shipping good can be a lot of hassle if you get it out of the box and just don't like it. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47411 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Nonreality;300360 Wrote: I also have filed a complaint against a non user that makes things up to support his love affair with sonos. So there. The attached picture shows My Greatest Hits album a few moments ago. It seems that the album art became Tom Petty during the last index. Now, please, drop it and stop causing ripples in what I have found is otherwise a fairly friendly and helpful community. +---+ |Filename: greatesthits.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5051| +---+ -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
JimC;300370 Wrote: I think you might want to be prepared for these forums to be somewhat chilly, in terms of their reception to you, given what our community can find by Googling for any of your aliases. -= Jim In honesty, I've experienced much the opposite in general. I've found some very helpful forum members who have provided valuable information both on the forums and behind the seens on email/PM. These are the people who make a community. They put their differences aside and go out of their way to explain why they love Squeezebox and what it offers them. They're also explained where I'm going wrong at times like, as a simple example, I didn't know I could delete a track from the queue using the controller which I would have highlighted as a weakpoint otherwise. They've helped me get a product, which I thought was buggy and unusable on day 1, to a system that now plays music fairly reliably. You've got a good community here, it's just a shame that a small handful of individuals feel the need to spoil it for everybody. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Nonreality;300376 Wrote: So you win I and get edited. Tell me why you are using the software when you don't have a squeezebox. Also tell me you haven't misrepresented old data to influence people away from the Squeezebox. The ripples are people that are on to you and yes they are very friendly and put up with you. So why are you like this? I do know that you are getting a good laugh out of the company that I'm defending supporting you. Don't laugh too long my friend. Dude, Jim has already edited your highly inaccurate post to explain quite clearly that I own a squeezebox. It's a brand new retail unit, purchased in a store. I took lots of photos of it as I opened the box so I could show people how nice the packaging is - Sonos by comparison just ships in a solid printed cardboard box and polystyrene. I'm half tempted to get home tonight and get Mrs. Jaffa to take a photo of me with it holding an i love nonreality banner just so you get the message. I haven't knowingly misrepresented old data to mislead people away from the Squeezebox - indeed, I took the feedback from my last review of the product and realised that maybe the short time I had to play with the product before it's UK launch was insufficient and I hadn't got the most out of it; so I went and got a retail Duet for a proper owner experience. I regularly have visitors to my house who love my Sonos system and enquire about getting one for themselves. Often the entry costs are well out of their range and something like the Duet could be ideal for them. As I'm an IT geek, they look to me for product recommendations; but if they can't afford them I am no use. For example, if I get this Duet system functioning as he needs, I may sell it to my brother who is currently playing back his ripped music using his Archos which doesn't have a display on the remote control. Thanks again to those forum members who have helped me remove my Sonos tinted spectacles and see Squeezebox in it's natural light. Edit to add: Site moderators, please feel free to lock this thread at your convenience. The initial problem has been discussed and an outline solution proposed. There's no more value to come from this thread, I'll start a new one in the beta section if 7.0.1 doesn't fix my issue. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with buying decisoin
One more thought. If/when you do try out the product, don't give up after a couple of days if you aren't impressed. It took me a good 3-4days to start getting the best from the product and it's now at the point where I'm highly unlikely to return it. So, if you can afford the time, give it a week or so before making any decisions. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47411 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Nonreality;300386 Wrote: First off, I'm not Dude. 2nd I'm sorry to insult you. I didn't know that you bought one after you reviewed it. That makes a difference. Funny that you have found that it plays ok music. You are good at making everyone feel sorry for you and thats the sign of good pr. I have nothing against you except that I've just found you in so many places putting down the squeezebox. Now I can't go into all of them and you know that but you also know the place you have done this. I really am just curious why? Did they not give you one to review? Not hire you? This is a good place and I'm protective of people getting set up again, and if you are for real this time then I do apologize. And if you want to get the Mrs. I'll sure take a look. :) First off, I've avoided any negative opinion of the product on this forum; but, yes, I have cast some considerable criticism about the place on various av forums. These were based on a short, but very real, exposure I had with the product. Usually a short time with the product is enough to get a general feel for it, indeed it's all many newspaper or magazine reviewers have time for. They plug it in, play with it a bit and then copy/paste a few lines from the press pack to fill out their review. A good Sonos example would be that Guardian review where they claimed there was a proximity sensor in the handset. There isn't, it's a motion sensor, but this is what you get from a short term review. I inhabit a few different forums and get Google updates on Sonos about the place. I like to see what people think and what they are saying. This alerted me to many a post about Duet and how it was better than Sonos or, to paraphrase just as good, but cheaper. I knew, from my exposure, this simply wasn't the case and so it's only natural that I would post a response in an attempt to balance out the thread. I know where I have made posts and when my, considerably more detailed, comparitive review is complete I will be posting it in all of those places as an update for people to consider before purchase. If possible, without doing crazy thread bumping, I will tag it onto the end of existing discussions. I have no axe to grind with Logitech, I've bought their equipment in the past...no problem...my first mouse was a Logitech trackball, and my latest webcam is also Logitech branded. Likewise, no real problems with SB or Slim; none at all prior to posting my cnet review. You want to look at my Mrs? ;) -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
MuckleEck;300384 Wrote: Ben, I take it from your last reply that you would recommend the Sonos system over the Squeezebox system every time if someone had the money? Most of the time, but certainly not every time. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
JimC;300385 Wrote: If you removed ...which I would have highlighted as a weakpoint otherwise. the sentence would have been just as effective in communicating your point but wouldn't have contained what I believe is your *real* message. My point, in all your examples, was to show how I'd contrasted opinion. These guys have turned me from being ice cold to the product to being warm. The contrast had a deliberate inclusion to show the marked change. Clearly removing a track from the queue could never be a weakpoint because you CAN remove a track from the queue, my statement doesn't change that. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Nonreality;300398 Wrote: Here is his type of review. He finds my post in the beta section about having freeze ups with the last two beta's. He then posts here about having a freeze up. Someone posts that they have read that someone else had a problem with the same thing. He then posts at amazon or somewhere else: Even users of the Squeezecenter software keep reporting many problems with freeze ups, goto such and such a post without saying it's beta software or anything else. This was exactly what he did with the duet review. Like I said before if he is over that kind of stuff then I have no problem with him. If he isn't then I will have a problem. I really wish you wouldn't keep speculating. Commenting on beta is a difficult one. If I have a problem and I'm NOT using beta, I get feedback that I should update to the latest 7.0.1 beta code. They say they know it is beta, but it's better than the release code and contains less bugs. If I comment on beta, I get told that I am criticising beta code and this isn't fair or accurate. It's going to be a very difficult angle on my review, at least the hardware isn't beta. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Nonreality;300404 Wrote: Reporting on your past behavior is not speculation. Anyway, your review? are you talking about your web page? No problem there. Say what you will. It's just your posts at other read websites that bug me with your non facts. Like I said, my comments around the place were entirely factual based on a limited time review - I really object to being called a liar. My mom always told me not to negotiate with bullies. I thought it was productive at first, but now I'm realising she was right. Enjoy your day, our discussion is over. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Sike;300454 Wrote: I had been reading this thread (and others) for a while now and have not seen this much passive agressivenes for a while. My opinion is: If you like Mac's, go to the Mac forums. If you don't like them, leave them alone. It's unlikley that you will make any friends on a Linux forum trying to convince them that Vista is better... The best thing about it is that everybody is right :) http://reviews.cnet.com/must-have-gadgets/ Nobody has been anti-SB in this forum, that's the point - interesting link though. I see in the link that we have the cnet must have gadgets, as judged by...well, them really. They appear to be in no particular order whatsoever. If you read closely, they're alphabetical. I've been comparing the cnet score with the user score. Asus Eee PC - cnet: 7.3/10 User: 9.0/10 HP 2133 PC - cnet: 7.5/10 User: 6.9/10 LG Voyager - cnet: 8.3/10 User: 7.5/10 Logitech Harmony One - cnet: 8.7/10 User: 8.7/10 Logitech SB Duet - cnet: 8.7/10 User: 6.4/10 Wii - cnet: 8.0/10 User: 8.2/10 Nokia N95: cnet: 8.0/10 User: 8.5/10 Slingbox AV cnet: 8.0/10 User 7.6/10 Sony NWZ-A818 cnet: 8.0/10 User: 8.5 Sony Walkman cnet8.0/10 User: No reviews Throughout these score, it's fair to say that cnet were pretty close to the user rating, except with the Duet which scored significantly less. Looking at the individual scores for the Duet, we see: 9, 9, 4, 4, 9, 4, 6, 3, 8, 8, 6 That's some serious variation. Comparitively, the Sonos Bundle 130 also scored an 8.7 with cnet...yet strangely no mention in the Top 10. The Sonos bundle also carries a user review variation, with some strangely low scores, yet still manages an 8.3/10 from the readers...again almost on a par with the cnet scores. I'm not going to draw any conclusions from all this, but it is very weird that 2 products can have the same score yet the one with the highest overall rating doesn't make the Top 10. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Sharing a server
Apologies if this has been covered before, I did search the forums without success. Is it possible for 2 independent users to share a SqueezeCenter between them, but not have control over each others players? For example, if you life in a household with children, you may wish to give them an SB receiver of their own in their bedroom - but you would want them to have access to each others receivers or to the main household ones in the living room or in Mom Dad's room. Is this possible? Or would they each need to run their own server? If they each ran their own instance of SC on their own PC, assuming they still share a LAN based network, is it still possible to stop one child attaching to the other's server using either their SB Controller or their web browser? I'm think of the same scenario applying in student houses, who may want to pool their music onto one box, or in small guesthouses; where the owner may wish to put a music player in each room but not allows other guests to accidentally wake each other up! Thanks in advance, Ben -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47434 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sharing a server
Thanks to all for the responses. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47434 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Johnboy169;299977 Wrote: Why not add the name of the performer to the album title e.g. ZZ Top Greatest Hits. I find that this make things easier to manage and easier to read/find Johnboy Because the album isn't called that. I'm a bit pedantic. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Siduhe;34 Wrote: To finish off this discussion, I double-checked my collection last night, added Discnumber=1/1 to my Closer albums and rescanned. Both appear separately in the album list with a recent 7.0.1 build, so it does appear as if this bug is now fixed. Thanks for that, hopefully upgrading soon. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Controller - Clock stopped
Nice one, thanks. I quite like the clock. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Missing Music after import
I built a new SqueezeCenter 7.0.0 server, running on Windows 2003 SP2 platform. I configured it purely to import my iTunes library, not look in any additional music folders. Now the import is complete, I see some music missing. For example all of my music by ZZ Top is missing...I'm sure there is more but I haven't done a direct comparison. There's nothing special about the ZZ Top rips, they were ripped in iTunes like the other 11k tracks. They had album art added by Tag Rename, like the other 11k tracks. They're in Apple lossless as is 99% of the 300GB library. I can still see them and play them in iTunes and on my iPod, but SqueezeCenter doesn't list them under Artists at all. There's clearly in my iTunes library and visible in my .xml file. When I index the music folder directly, the missing tracks are visible...but not when I index just my iTunes library. If I index both the iTunes and the folders separately, I end up with most of my tracks duplicated. Am I hitting an upper limit on the amount of data that can be imported? Have I found a bug? Any input greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
MuckleEck;299628 Wrote: Ben, Check to see whether they are in a various artists category, there is a lot of talk in other threads about the VA scanning and categorising methodology in use. I should have said I already checked that. I looked under various artists, not there. (I have no compilation or album artists checked for this band anyway). I did a search for zz and for zz top no results. I really don't know where they have gone. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Siduhe;299641 Wrote: Another easy check to make is to look for the music another way - not by ZZ Top, but by album name or song title. This will rule out the possibility that there's a problem with the reading of the artist tag of those files (or a stray artist sort tag), and confirm that the music is indeed missing from the database. I'm reindexing right now but will try those suggestions when it's finished. The tagging is all clean and gone through the same process as the others but I will double check. One point to note is that previously, on my ReadyNAS 7.0.0 SC install, I got incorrect album art for this very same album. The album is called Greatest Hits and when playing, both SC web and SB controller showed the album art for the album Greatest Hits by Bruce Springsteen! Is there any special treatment of Greatest Hits? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Siduhe;299647 Wrote: How is the music stored (in terms of folder structure)? Are all the songs in one single folder? I had a similar problem with two albums called Closer (Joy Division and Plastikman from memory) and Slimserver (as was) insisting on merging them into a single album. There is specific logic to deal with albums with the same name as another album, although I'm not best placed to explain it. You will need to have the tracks in single folder albums though (if I recall correctly) and I'm not sure how this would work in an Itunes only import situation. However, that bit of info does suggest to me that you music is more likely to be indexed incorrectly than entirely missing. Music folders are managed by iTunes, it does a good job. -iTunes Music -Artist A -Album A -1. Track -2. Track -Album B -1. Track -Artist B -Album A etc. They're kept completely separate -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Siduhe;299641 Wrote: Another easy check to make is to look for the music another way - not by ZZ Top, but by album name or song title. This will rule out the possibility that there's a problem with the reading of the artist tag of those files (or a stray artist sort tag), and confirm that the music is indeed missing from the database. You were right, the tracks were in the database just sorted incorrectly. I took a look under the single album called Greatest Hits that I had listed. It contains tracks from the albums for Take That, Bruce Springsteen, Kylie, Kool The Gang, Simply Red, Tom Petty, Robbie Williams, Squeeze, The Jam and The Cars...along with ZZ Top! So I've found my missing tracks, now I need to know why these are all being sorted together when the album artists are clearly different. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Siduhe;299663 Wrote: That's the same problem I ran into a while back. It has been solved AFAIK in 7.0.1. You may be able to resolve the issue without upgrading by removing the DISCNUMBER tag entirely from the files. DISCNUMBER=1/1 or similar appeared to be a significant cause of this behaviour, presumably because it overrode the ALBUMARTIST tags (which I can kind of understand). I'm not going to change my tags for an indexing bug, although it's nice to know if there is indeed a workaround. I definitely have the discnumber tag in use, so I fit the mould. I don't see how having a disc number value set could cause it to ignore both Artist and AlbumArtist tags, but if it's a bug fair enough. Fingers crossed I'll see a solution when I test the 7.0.1 beta later this week. Thanks to everybody for the input. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Missing Music after import
Siduhe;299670 Wrote: A quick review of the earlier thread suggests this problem is limited to DISCNUMBER=1/1, because it makes SC think that there is only one album with this name. People agreed that logic needed to be dealt with so that the different ARTIST or ALBUMARTIST values were given priority. Any particular reason that you need DISCNUMBER=1/1 (just curious)? Not sure what information that tag gives, I would have thought that DISCNUMBER was only relevant for multi disc albums? What about my Greatest Hits albums that have 2 discs? ;) The disc number field should only be used for sorting tracks into the right order, imho. It has no other relevance. I agree that 1/1 adds minimal value but it does at least confirm that you're missing no other tracks/discs. Currently my album Greatest Hits has 10 different tracks ones, each are disc 1 of 1 with different artists and different albumartists...it makes no sense for these to be grouped together at all. I'll see how it goes in 7.0.1 before I start complaining though :) -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47333 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How do things go out of sync?
I'm trying to understand the sync process and how it work. I see options in the SqueezeCenter settings that allow me to configure how far my playback is allowed to get out of sync before it attempts a re-sync and how often it should do this. I get this part. When 2 or more players are synced, there is a slight delay before playback commences. The units pre-buffer the music data in the chosen codec and then are all instructed to start playback at the same time. For the purposes of the discussion, we'll say they all start at the time time, 0ms. All the players are playing from the same source, the same bit and bytes. They're in the same codec and go through the same decoder. The end result should be exactly the same, for lossless codecs you'd expect the decoded output to be exactly the same as the original CD. So I'm trying to understand how 2 adjacent players can become out of sync when playing back an identical source at the same time. The only way, that I can figure out, is if one of them was playing at a different speed to the other. It would either be faster, and skip ahead...or slower and lag behind. But with an accurate playback, how can this be? So I understand why they need to be synced before playback commences. I understand a re-sync might be necessary if a player is added or removed from the group. What I don't get is how that sync can be lost at a later point in time. Surely 23456ms after they start playback, they should all be 23.456seconds into the track? Why would this not be the case? Can anybody explain? -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47344 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do things go out of sync?
MuckleEck;299710 Wrote: BEn, Are you trying to sync two Squeezeboxes/receivers or are you using softsqueeze as well? I've been trying with softsqueeze too. I know if i start 2 CD players at the same time they will stay in sync until the end of the track and they aren't even linked.. I'm wondering why this setup is different. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47344 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do things go out of sync?
andyg;299716 Wrote: Softsqueeze is hit or miss, there are many layers between the hardware and the player that can introduce delay. With hardware players it should be perfect, except for WMA radio stations. It should be perfect or it is perfect? If it is perfect, why do I have resync configuration settings? -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47344 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do things go out of sync?
andyg;299717 Wrote: Sync drift happens because the clocks in different players tick at very slightly different rates. You'll only drift after many minutes, this is why long-running radio stations always got out of sync before 7.0. So does that mean that one player will play faster than the other and be slightly different from the original source? Would the clock be more accurate in, for example, Transporter hardware where owners might expect a more accurate reproduction of the source? -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47344 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do things go out of sync?
andyg - Thanks for the responses, much appreciated. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47344 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do things go out of sync?
seanadams, Thanks a lot, I really appreciate the time you've spent on this reply. -- jaffacake Ben - eco conscious techie and author of Jaffa's Green Blog - http://www.jaffacake.net jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47344 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Controller - Clock stopped
It was in the cradle the whole time. I'm thinking the time it stopped may have co-incided with the time I shut down the SC on my laptop. Would a connection to SC be required for the clock? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Controller - Clock stopped
aubuti;299282 Wrote: Yes, it needs to be connected to either SC or SqueezeNetwork. It's a slim device, meaning that on its own, it's so dumb that it doesn't even know the time of day. If you routinely shut down SC but still want the clock, get in the habit of switching over to Squeezenetwork when you shut down SC. It's just a few button presses away. Somewhere there's an enhancement request to add an option to switch over to SN automatically when SC goes down. Interesting. On my original post I mentioned that I thought the controller was a stand-alone Linux powered machine. Surely it has a clock? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What Logitech and this forum have forgotten
radish;299274 Wrote: This seems like a common misconception. This forum is not an official tech support channel, and Logitech are not relying on it to replace support. If you have a problem feel free to post it here and we'll do our best to help but for those trickier issues there's a whole team of people waiting to take your call. Use them. I took delivery of my Duet on Thursday, I work until 6pm. Here in the UK, Logitech Tech support is only open Monday-Friday 9am-6pm - I'm at work. They don't open at weeekends at all. For many owners, myself included, the forum is the only option and I agree with the OP that it can be frustrating when your forum threads scroll off page one with zero responses. In fact, I've even been trying to help some new owners out myself whilst the setup details are fresh in my mind. One of the difficult things with Duet ownership is that a lot of forum and faq searches frequently pull up solutions relating to SlimServer and SB3, not SqueezeCenter and the SBR e.g. holding down the brightness button to do a firmware upgrade. It gets confusing at times. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47302 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Dedicated server solution?
You have some pretty natural requirements there, but I feel you're going to have to prioritise them a little to make it easier to make a decision. For example, a device that uses less electricity is going to have a smaller power supply because, ultimately, it's a less powerful piece of kit. A low powered dedicated NAS device may reduce your electricity bill, but it may not have enough horse-power to drive SqueezeCenter in the way you are used to. I tried SC on my Infrant ReadyNAS this weekend and found performance very average compared to a Windows laptop with less RAM. On the other side you have Windows Home Server based devices like the HP. They're Intel powered and can handle things a bit better...but they use more electricity in the process. It's basically a normal PC in a different shaped box and may even use more power than the PC on which you run SqueezeCenter now. Additionally you should be very aware that Windows Home Server is NOT ordinary Windows and does run a bit differently, especially if you intend to run programs directly on it. This article links to an example of this failing in a horrible way - http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1499 One low power option you could go for might be a cheap laptop with a big external USB drive on it for storage. It would be near silent and use much less juice than an equivalent desktop. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47243 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezecenter with Mcafee Security Software
rickcindi;299418 Wrote: Thanks for the tip. What's your suggestion for security software? Avast or AVG are both highly recommended by IT professionals. They are also free for personal use. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47291 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Album Art Confusion
My Squeezebox Controller is showing the image for Bruce Springsteen Greatest Hits for the sleeve of my ZZ Top Greatest Hits album. My music is managed by iTunes and so both albums are stored in completely different file paths, e.g. iTunes Music Bruce Springsteen Greatest Hits for one and iTunes Music ZZ Top Greatest Hits for the other. I've double checked and the folder.jpg file within the ZZ Top Greatest Hits folder is clearly the one for ZZ Top, also the album art has been embedded within all the music files and is present and correct. I use Tag Rename software for this. Any ideas? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47258 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Force Controller Bridging Mode
Is there any way within the software in which I can force the SB controller to use my SBR as a bridge, instead of my wireless access point. Obviously I could just turn off my wifi or change the encryption key, but I'd like a more formal method if one exists? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47260 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet vs. sonos
Siduhe;298580 Wrote: *To the OP:* these are the Slim community forums, so (most/everyone) here has already considered the question you are asking and plumped for the SB/Duet. To that extent, our feedback isn't unbiased or independent. I thought I'd touch base on that comment and the word independent which has also been used earlier in the thread. When I claim to be independent, I am communicating the fact that I don't have a financial interest in the discussion. I don't get salaried, commissioned, bonused or in any way incentivised on the sale of any hifi or electronic equipment. I have no reason for saying one of these products has an advantage over another except for if I think it does. It's fair to say that most of the members of these kinds of forums except, for example, Logitech staff and their resellers are independent in a similar way. Most of us act for nobody but ourselves. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I was one of those who was extremely critical of the way you chose to approach and review the Duet. Not worth going over in detail, but not so much what you said, as the way you chose to respond afterwards as rob53ben and jaffacake. To that extent, you have to accept a level of background suspicion here as to your motives. I think an acknowledgement that things could have been handled better would go a long way to alieviating that concern. For the purposes of transparency, I'll answer that. Basically, jaffacake is my nickname. I own the domain names and my best mate calls me 'jaffa' to my face when we're in the pub - I would turn around if you shouted it in the street. I write my blog under the pen-name of Jaffa. On all online forums and other registration based communities, jaffacake is my first choice login name. When unavailable, I use my second choice of ro53ben; which is actually my car registration plate here in the UK - an alphanumeric form of my real name Ben Rose. So, when I registered on these forums some years ago to research the product, i registered as jaffacake as the name was available. On CNet, there was already a user called jaffacake so I was forced to go with the 2nd choice. If possible, I would happily have posted the review as jaffacake. My forum nick varies from place to place purely on availability of the nickname and there's no ulterior motives whatsoever. That said, I haven't seen anything recently that suggests to me you're trying to do anything other than what you say - review side by side and in detail the two systems. If these forums are as friendly and helpful as we always hold them out to be, people here need to get over it and pitch in to answer your questions and help you out. Thanks, I am genuinely just the messenger here, whether people choose to believe it or not and I have in the past made a concerted effort to keep things on topic. Sincere apologies to the OP of this thread that things have inadvertently gone off at a tangent on this one. Thankfully I have managed to touch base with a couple of SqueezeBox owners offline who are hopefully going to help provide me with additional 'real world' ownership experiences which I may include within my review. Likewise, I am sharing my experiences and indeed have made numerous posts around these forums to help people out with queries they have raised. I think it was Robin that had a conversation with one of the Sonos admins when this all kicked off and both of them agreed there's a danger in taking this too seriously. Some of the Sonos people feel there's a history of Sim posters Sonos-bashing on their forums - not recently but look at the archives and they may have a point. I think the key here is to recognise that we may have genuine, but conflicting, opinions about the products. It's critical for us to stay focussed on the products and not the people, personal attacks don't help anybody and just drag the community down. We'll all read your review with interest, and my only advice (entirely unsolicited) is that you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. ;-) I totally agree, it's just a shame that Apple declined to take part in a multi-product digital music group test when I approached them about it a few weeks ago, i wonder why? ;) -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox Controller - Clock stopped
I'm using the default analogue clock screensaver on my Duet handset, I actually quite like it. Overnight, however, it stopped and was stuck somewhere around 4am. I assumed the system had crashed, locked up or something, but it hadn't. As soon as I picked up the handset, the screensaver ended and the UI clearly showed the current time. Back in the charging stand and it's been fine for the last 30mins. I understand that the SB controller runs a local linux OS, this must have a local clock. Is this the one used in the display? I'm wondering how it could stop and then awaken without crashing the OS. Unless it was simply just a frozen screensaver process. Anybody else experienced this? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47229 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet vs. sonos
stephanm;298697 Wrote: Jaffacake,what was that last comment on apple. Do u think they will launch a product? They already have such a product, have done for some time. They call it the Airport Express with Airtunes. It allows you to play your iTunes music in other rooms of the house, wirelessly and also to sync the rooms together. It's recently been updated to support 802.11n which offers improved bandwidth and wireless reception. This brings it into line with AppleTV and TimeCapsule products which also support 802.11n. I've never actually used that system so I can't comment much more on it, I just know it exists. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet vs. sonos
pippin, I totally appreciate your angle on this. By simply comparing the 2 products side by side in every day situations I can see any obvious differences or similarities between the two but whether these apply in the real world is, in many respects, for the reader to decide. Which is why I'm attempting to consult other Squeezebox owners in the process. Hopefully they'll be able to overlook some of the results and offer real-life workarounds to some of the challenges I may experience as a new owner - like the playback delay you quoted above only applies on my NAS installed SqueezeCenter, the XP one is just fine. If somebody hadn't suggested I tried both then I may have been overly critical of something that only applied in one type of deployment. By doing that extra bit of research, and installing SC on both, I'm gathering some really interesting comparitive information. It's this stuff I would be interested in as a potential buyer. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet vs. sonos
pippin;298754 Wrote: May I add (as before) for my own, very subjective and NOT unbiased resons that one of the advantages of the SB system is that you are NOT bound to a certain controller but that there are quite a few alternatives around... This is certainly an advantage over the Apple option. As for Sonos, I control mine from a Nokia E90 cellphone, it works well. People have tried it from numerous internet tablets etc and they all work without much of an issue...even the iPhone with touchscreen. There's some screenshots here: http://vowe.net/archives/009218.html -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet vs. sonos
pippin;298758 Wrote: Interesting. Can you skin that or are you bound to the Web look? I expect an iPhone skin to look like this ;-) http://penguinlovesmusic.de/?page_id=7 It's fully skinnable if you have the artistic talent. Sadly I struggle to draw a stickman, so I stick with one of the supplied UIs. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet vs. sonos
mvalera;298371 Wrote: Here's the story. Sonos' initial setup is easier for the novice for wireless, but if you use a wired connection that is a moot point. Not at all true when we're talking about controller connectivity issues. These forums are full of such problems and the controllers can't be wired. I have both systems in my living room right now, I'm testing them side by side. I have full retail units, purchased sealed in a store, not battered old press test kit with old firmware. I've taken a lot of criticism prior to today on various forums, including this one. I was accused of delivering Duet criticism based on a very limited use experience with early code. This lead to many, very personal, insults which the forum moderators here refused to address. So, to appease the critics, I've gone back to day zero. I have both pieces of kit, in my own home, on my own network, with my own music library. I've got the very latest production release of SqueezeCentre installed on both a Windows PC and my Infrant ReadyNas NV+ alongside all the Sonos kit. Ultimately, as requested by Logitech staff, I will be updating the cNet review I made a little while ago to carry more facts and accuracy. Which machine will start playing an internet radio station fastest? Who has the best sync? Which system can skip tracks backwards and forwards on demand without a delay? Which system can display album art on screen whilst browsing? Which system integrates with iTunes the best? Do you really need a server machine? How do the two controllers compare? These are the kind of tests I will be running in a review that I intend to publish shortly. I don't work for Slim Devices, Logitech, Sonos, or indeed anybody in the hifi industry. I'm a simple, independent, IT geek who sits in a cube all day working for a car company. I'm unbiased and come to the argument presenting only facts from real life experiences from ownership of BOTH systems. They both have their advantages and the best solution would have elements of both systems. I don't intend to draw any direct conclusions, I will simply let the reader decide which system meets their requirements best. cybersus (or any other interested party) - If you have any specific tests you'd like me to run, then by all means let me know - but I do recommend you, and any other potential buyers, delay purchase until I release my results. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet vs. sonos
SilverRS8;298415 Wrote: Judging from your posts on your personal site, the sonos forum and the SD forum I think it is not fair to say your independent. You are very much pro Sonos. Which ofcourse you are entitled to. Maybe the synchronization fits your needs best and Sonos is the better choice. If you would only once ever admit that Squeeze products are the better product of choice in various cases I would believe your 'I'm independent' statement. But for now I've only see you review why Sonos is so much better than Logitech. Thats not reviewing by facts. Thats reviewing by personal opinion. Nothing wrong with that but don't say and publish like your independent. There's a huge difference between having a personal preference and being biased. You often read reviews on gadget sites and the like that say that the Duet is good, but they PREFER the Sonos although it costs more. It doesn't mean they're biased, it just means that they've used both and have a particular reason for liking Sonos more. Sadly, they often don't justify this reason or back it up with facts. My intention is to change this a little. I'm not going to sprinkle fairy dust and say that I think one sounds better than the other, or that ones looks better than the other...these things are all subjective. But if one unit takes less than one second to start playback of the same file that it takes the other unit three seconds to cue up, then we have a fact based reason for preference. Like, for example, the album art appears almost immediately on the Squeezebox controller screen when scrolling through albums. The Sonos can take a second or so to display the art and, even then, will only display one sleeve at a time. These are important facts and could influence a purchase. On a contrasting note, the Duet Squeezebox Controller can only be charged when in the cradle at an almost vertical angle - there's no separate charger. This makes it almost impossible to use when the battery is flat, another possible factor. I have many preferences here, and those for one product might outweigh another...but don't ever assume that makes me in any way biased. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet vs. sonos
mvalera;298438 Wrote: Jaffa, nothing you have said here even comes close to brushing on the truth. I have sent you an email, please follow my request. Thanks, Mike I see no untruths. I believe your email went to a redundant address and bounced off my mail gateway. I've updated my address on the system here now, you may wish to resend. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Wireless Network Problems - Possible Solution?
John, Thanks for the feedback. I posted about similar controller issues earlier today in the Beginners forum. I'll have a play with WPS and see if things improve a little. Ultimately I'd expect an active device on a small uncongested LAN not to drop packets at all but I guess wifi factors in a few variables. I'm using 7.0.0 here and will try to share my results if I get a significant change. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Albumartist/Compilation Artist behaviour - is this covered in a bug somewhere?
JJZolx;287952 Wrote: I'd expect that behavior to break some day. If you mean to hide albums on which the artist appears on only some tracks then I don't think that was ever intended. The COMPILATION tag really only has meaning for albums, not the tracks. That it might influence how the artist is categorized for individual tracks isn't that surprising, but certainly isn't documented or expected. Technically you could have 2 albums with the same name - one an artist album and one a compilation various hits album. The tracks would need to be indexed separately, so the tagging would have to work long term. I guess everybody's needs are different. I personally exclusively use the AlbumArtist tag and on various artists albums I apply an AlbumArtist tag of [Compilations]. On tracks that are performed by artists elsewhere in my collection, I tag them with that artist as the AlbumArtist. I effectively use it as a track artist tag. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45810 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
You're not the first report stating that wireless coverage isn't as good with the SBR than it was with the SB3. Both units contain the same chipset and both have 2 antennas. Some have said it's the orientation, the upright position of the SB3 helping with reception - I know the antennas in the Sonos boxes are vertical for the same reason. At this point, suggestions are difficult. A common problem with a common cause, tech support is your best bet. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
Does your system need to include an SBR? Could you not, for example, return it and get an SB3 instead? Clearly the SB3 seems to work for you...where's the big win with the SB3? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
James_B;287843 Wrote: So the Sonos boxes have the same issue even with a vertical antenna? No, not in the slightest...I was merely saying that there was more background noise on the player located in the TV cabinet. For reference, here's my current measurements in the various areas of my home. The lower the value, the less noise there is, e.g. -103 is better than -85. Bathroom Noise Floor: -103 Living Room Noise Floor: -85 Bedroom Noise Floor: -102 En-Suite Noise Floor: -101 Garage Noise Floor: -89 Kitchen Noise Floor: -90 Office Noise Floor: -95 It's quite variable around the home, the kitchen player is on top of the fridge and gets additional interferencethe garage unit is on a bench with all my server kit, NAS, wireless access point etc. Living room is adjacent to Wii, subwoofer, CRT TV, PVR etc...most noise...but no playback issues in the slightest. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
PLynas;287883 Wrote: Well I wanted (and use) the new controller, so for the player itself the Duet is cheaper than the SB3. It is also smaller and more discreet so fits in my living room better. The controller is available for purchase separately and, I believe, will work without an SBR. The SBR is smaller and more discreet...I guess this is what reduces the wireless coverage. As you're clearly not bothered about a display, the SBR doesn't have one, then what about an SB3 hidden behind your TV cabinet or something? I guess cost is the main concern. The suggestion of trying a different wireless channel is a good one. If you have a laptop, do you detect any wireless channels in use by your neighbours? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Albumartist/Compilation Artist behaviour - is this covered in a bug somewhere?
Have you not considered applying tags per track, instead of per album? e.g. if i have a 'various artists' album, and it has a track by an artist already in my collection, I choose to make those track compilation=0, all the others retain compilation=1. So all the tracks by that artist appear under their name in the artist list, all the one track wonders remain hidden. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45810 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Cannot obtain IP address
homehubs usually come with wireless encryption enabled. Ensure you're entering the key correctly during setup. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45826 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
danco;287273 Wrote: An individual making a purchase when in the USA would pay local sales tax, but no shipping. Correct, but then they would need to get it shipped. An individual ordering from the USA would pay shipping, but usually not sales tax. They would need to find a vendor who would sell directly overseas. Most vendors won't do this and most have agreements not to do this with manufacturers. A distributor (and the retail price would be based on that) would pay shipping, which might be quite small per unit when ordering several but would not pay local sales tax when ordering from the manufacturer. An interesting question. I believe for purchases within the UK (it's been a while since I was in retail) the distributor often pays VAT but it gets claimed back through a tax return. I don't know how this applies to overseas import/export. And the reviewer was more concerned with the cost compared with other products (whatever one thinks of his choice of an alternative) than the comparison with US prices. He was certainly equally concerned with both, he'll likely get no more Apple kit if he was buying both products in the US though as the overseas markup is pretty consistent between manufacturers. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
adamslim;287297 Wrote: So there's a 13% premium, which does not seem totally unreasonable to me. Thanks for saving me those maths. It does greatly depends on the customs classification of the product/ I know somebody who imported Sonos and got stung quite heavily. I finally found the post I was looking for: http://forums.sonos.com/showthread.php?p=39719#post39719 Indeed, and a local 2yr warranty for the extra £33. Let's not forget that UK retail staff earn a significantly higher wage than those in the US...and they get paid in £s. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows
Gplouffe;287219 Wrote: Not certain if anything concrete came out of this discussion but I recently took a 1.6mhz 500mb ram desktop and went from linux (debian) to windows xp sp2. Under linux, performance was great. Note: Music is located on a Buffalo Terastation NAS 50K songs. Went to XP because of another server need that I could not statisfy with Linux :( and performance now is poor when searching library, especially when searching through music folder. Web performance has also decreased. People often, rightfully, feel the need to run anti-virus and firewalls within a Windows environment. These can seriously reduce IO performance. Are you using either of these? Additionally, it's likely that with just '500MB' of RAM that you are paging excessively in Windows...the Linux base would likely use less RAM. For such an old machine, another 512MB of RAM is likely to cost peanuts and may make all the difference. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33041 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
What version of server software are you using? Am I right in that you are playing back FLAC files when the problem occurs? Have you tried any other codecs, e.g. mp3, to compare? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
bpa;287319 Wrote: If your SB2 is up to date at version 40 then it is really an SB1 and has a very small buffer. But the SB3 fails with the Duet too. PLynas - Is trying SC 7.0.1 an option? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
I'm assuming, as this is a new purchase, that the Duet is in a new area of the house which didn't previously host a player. Could there be a localised interference issue? Have you tried swapping them around a bit? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
The logs tell me I get my interference on my player that's located in my TV cabinet. I blame it on the CRT, but it could be the Wii, PVR or anything really. If it plays when it's not synced though I wouldn't expect synced behaviour to be any different, it's not like the SBs talk to each other directly so it would just be traffic to/from the router as usual. Is the Duet furthest away? Did you change the firmware on the Receiver/Controller at all or just upgrade SC? Ideally they should be on versions of a similar age. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
danco;287361 Wrote: I suppose that an individual buying the Sonos on a visit to the USA would probably need to ship. For the Squeezebox, this could probably be taken in one's personal baggage, so no shipping (I have done this). By the way, jaffacake, I liked your latest suggestion in the AVS forums. Namely, get a couple of both systems on the thirty-day approval and test which you prefer. You can actually get both in baggage, it's been done. Not delaring to customs, however, is technically smuggling and your liabilty to HM Customs Excise does not end the moment you get to the other end of the green channel in the airport. It's simply not reasonable to compare pricing based on smuggling kit illegally into the country. One the issues with shipping in hand baggage is with ditching the packaging. If there is a warranty issue, you'll need to ship it back to the place of purchase and you no longer have a suitable box in which to do it. Nothing is as good as the original packaging. Glad you like my idea, a 30-day home trial need not just apply to one system. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
PLynas;287349 Wrote: Kind of perfect timing, I was just checking the settings on Squeezecenter and the wireless signal on my Duet suddenly dropped dramatically to just 12%. I went into the living room and my wife had just switched the TV on. So it seems to me that interference is likely to be the problem, unfortunately that could mean a lot of money down the drain for me as I cannot locate my Duet at the other end of the room from the TV surely it should be shielded from such interference? Sadly, any wifi device is liable to interference...they have antennas to pick up this stuff. That being said, don't conclusively believe this is the case. I'd work with the Slim techs on this and see if they can confirm. If it plays perfectly without being synced then clearly the wifi link from receiver to router is clean...I doubt all the sync/resync traffic would add that much overhead. There are alternatives you could consider. You could run a cat 5 cable, or alternatively a mains relay device like a Devolo homeplug...assuming these are compatible with Slim kit. I'd give tech support a call and see if there is any diagnostics they can use to check into it better. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
danco;287384 Wrote: I said nothing about smuggling or not declaring, I just said one could avoid shipping costs. In fact, the Squeezebox I bought (NOT the Duet) came within the limit that is allowed for purchases. And it was even small enough to carry in its packaging. My apologies for not understanding the full intent of your post. Indeed, there are duty free limits...I remember importing something from the US many many years ago... It was a CD-ROM DRIVE! Can buy them in the supermarket now. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 2 New Questions on Duet Config
craigf;287405 Wrote: Thanks, but wouldn't that needlessly replicate 20-50 KB of data in every single audio file? We have 15,000 songs in our collection. I don't really want to inflate my storage needs by half a gig or so if I don't have to. Putting cover.jpg in the directory of each album seems to be working fine. But thanks again for the suggestion. If you actually price up the cost of half a GB of storage, you'll realise that the cost of convenience. Additionally, if you do it this way, the same artwork will also show up on iTunes/iPod/iPhone etc. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44675 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
cliveb;287394 Wrote: Interesting. I stand corrected. What's confusing is that I've bought various items from abroad and have NEVER been charged import duty: just VAT at 17.5%. (This was the reasoning behind my previous posting). For example, the table in the document you reference says that there's duty of 3.5% on audio CDs. I have bought these at various times from the USA and only ever been charged VAT. So it seems that the rules are not being applied consistently. Some importers check every item for potential customs charges, others just randomly check line 1 in 5 packages. It's the senders responsibility to make a valid customs declaration on the outside of the package regarding the content. Gift used to be a popular option amongst CD/DVD retailers when shipping overseas. I know one vendor that used to include a B'day card hand written to the buyer, lol. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
The review is fairly flawed in several areas, but not entirely surprising given the limited research the author often does for his articles. His US pricing comparisons fail to take into account currency variations, import duties and local taxes - the Sonos website price in the US even excludes sales tax. The Apple pricing comparisons I assume are accurately based on UK pricing, although I haven't checked. He clearly didn't do any research into standby power consumption of these devices, 5 watts is green by any reasonable standards. (Source: http://www.jaffacake.net/dx/sonoszp100 ) I don't know of any other home audio device with a parental lock, the Sonos doesn't play pr0n videos lol. To top it all...the proximity sensor...I can only assume Charles has very poor floorboards in his homelmao! -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ALAC and FLAC
peter;287098 Wrote: bpa wrote: This describes the issue and fix. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5521 I'm no Apple fan, but with their market position it would be nice to have lossless files that work natively on the iPod and the SB range. Not if it would mean ditching FLAC though... Regards, Peter I have this debate a lot with my buddy. He has all his music in FLAC, me in ALAC as I own an iPod. I personally think ALAC is excellent as, not only is it lossless, it's very easy to move to another format in the future if required. It also supported embedded art first, which was a killer feature for me at the time. If I need to convert to something else, a couple of clicks in iTunes and I can convert my entire library to AIFF and onwards to FLAC etc. Going the other way FROM FLAC isn't so easy at all. I recently downloaded a free album that came in FLAC format and couldn't get it on my iPod without burning it to CD-Audio and re-ripping. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45563 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
Robin Bowes;287134 Wrote: Ahem, unlike your totally fair and thoroughly researched cnet reviews, eh Ben? More FUD from the Sonos fanboy. R. Very much unlike. At least everything in my review was accurate and factual. I fail to see how any of my input in this thread is FUD, you guys do crack me up. /still laughing at the proximity sensor. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
smc2911;287156 Wrote: As I read the review, at present exchange rates, plus VAT local taxes *are* factored in and for imports to the UK, while VAT would apply US sales tax would not. There would not be other local taxes, so I think that the article's point on pricing differences is well made. Having said that, Squeezeboxes tend to suffer the same fate (although there do seem to be more 3rd party distributors prepared to apply a much smaller margin). It intrigues me to note that a Sonos fan is just as quick to find excuses for regional price mark-ups on the Sonos as many on this form are for mark-ups on the Squeezeboxes! To legally import good from the US, you pay the cost price in the US, then you add on the local sales tax in the US, then you add on shipping to the UK. Total that. Then you add on import duty as a percentage of that total - I believe it was 10% last time I looked. Note that total. Then you add on VAT @ 17.5% Having done this to the retail price of a Sonos in California, adding on 8% sales tax, then shipping, then duty, then VAT...and converted to GBP, I found a price not massively different to the UK retail price. Last time I calculated, the break even was somewhere between 1.6-1.7$ to the £. Currently the £ is stronger, so the import price is cheaper, I think it was about £50 on a Sonos bundle. Personally, I think the £50 fully justifies the UK retailer handling and local warranty. Marketing of the product would cost more here too. This is why I felt the article totally inaccurate, it's a topic that's been well covered in many places. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
Robin Bowes;287167 Wrote: Did you write that review [1] based on having actually got your hands on a Duet? The whole thing is FUD. Would you like to tell us about your involvement with the Sonos user forums, how you were a moderator, but were removed when you tried to throw your weight around? By all means give us a fair and objective account of the Sonos gear, but don't come the I'm a neutral reviewer crap. R. [1] http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-media-receivers/logitech-squeezebox-duet/4864-6739_7-32815168.html?messageID=2563491 I've reported your efforts to the site admins. My report is as follows: -*Continued personal attacks...becoming tedious. I'm constantly being attacked with false accusations, inccurate information and general troll behaviour. If you check over my posts I've been courteous and helpful in my time on the forums here, I think it's time the moderators brought these guys into line. -* I'm hoping this isn't standard behaviour from an open source community with such a respected reputation. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
-= Jim, I have absolutely no desire to waste my time defending myself against false accusation and speculation. Robin Bowes, and others, are attacking me with untruths and guesswork. This is damaging to my reputation yet you choose to allow it to remain within your forums. I can only assume that it may be commercially advantageous to yourself to allow the name of one who posts a negative review of your product to be tarnished in such an incorrect and unnecessary manner. I am a Sonos owner and I have made this more than clear in directly competitive threads on forums such as avsforums.com: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13367359#post13367359 Readers will note that even with this early disclosure on page one of the thread, I will still attacked by Slim forum users not once, but twice in that thread questioning my intentions. Whilst you can't be help responsible for content held in other, 3rd party, forums - it should be noted that those offensive posts link back to the content here on these official Slim Devices forums. Content that you clearly feel is entirely suitable and within your forum guidelines. Your house, your rules, I'm just very surprised and disappointed. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to avoid the 'click' when a track starts
Are you using co-ax of SPDIF connections? Have you tried using the other? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45605 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Softsqueeze Screen Placement
This might be of use http://www.actualtools.com/articles/detail.php?ID=1004 :) That one isn't free, but I'm sure there's a free equivalent somewhere...the settings are actually (usually) stored in the registry for each application...assuming the software integrates with Windows well. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45692 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Empty playlists after music move with iTunes
As the guy in the other thread did, you should read the support pages. I clicked the wiki link at the top of this page and found this posting... http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuideToiTunes Seems to answer your query quite well. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45699 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Empty playlists after music move with iTunes
jallison;286663 Wrote: Not so much. Surprisingly, I actually had looked through that information and tried those suggestions. They seem more geared to my playlists don't show up, which is not actually my problem. My playlists show up, but they are empty. You asked how to point it, the link tells you how. I moved the music, but the xml file is in the same old place (C:\Documents and Settings\...\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Music Library.xml). This is the same system and drive where Slimserver is running (and has been for years!). I'm sure this is an artifact of moving the music and getting the iTunes and SS databases out of sync, but I can't figure out how to resync them. Thanks for the inputs. - Jeff How did you move the music? Within iTunes itself? Or by closing iTunes and moving it manually? -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45699 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ALAC and FLAC
funkstar;285617 Wrote: Yes in theory ALAC could be decoded in the SB3, but there are several issues to that. Memory is limited in the SB3, with MP3, FLAC, Ogg and WMA (lossy) already in there there probably isn't enough space for anything else (I seem to remember reading that Ogg was the last to go in and it was a tight fit). There is also the question of licensing. I don't know the ins and outs of the ALAC format, but there would probably be legal issues if it was done in the SB3. Interesting thread, I didn't realise transcoding was required for ALAC sources. No legal complication, ALAC is in the firmware for Sonos devices without any issues...they don't use a server. -- jaffacake jaffacake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3206 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45563 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
