Re: [Elecraft] K4 whining

[Gary Smith]

Make me an echo of the previous sentiments 
in this thread. I laid out a full advance 
deposit shortly after the K4 was announced 
& there was an ordering ability offered. I 
chose a fully loaded K4D and am on the 
request/waiting list for a HD add-on when 
that is later made available.

To me, it's boorish to complain Elecraft 
hasn't started shipping the K4 out yet, 
fulfilling orders. Nobody wants the K4 
actively shipping more than Elecraft, it's 
their livelihoods and for us, it is our 
hobby: Food & shelter trumps fun every 
day.

The whining is childish and makes no 
sense. You'd think anyone savvy enough to 
generate the disposable income to buy a K4 
would also be savvy enough to know why 
such whining is useless.

Too much QRM.

73,

Gary
KA1J
Looking forward to my K4D on my table, 
when it's ready.
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[Elecraft] K4 Mailing list?

[Gary Smith]

Maybe I misunderstood so I should ask, is 
there a mailing list devoted to the K4? I 
looked on the Elecraft page but saw 
nothing about it.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Headphones Q

[Gary Smith]

Jim,

I only use my Bose QC-35 when:

1. on the cell phone.
2. mowing the yard/tuning my motorcycle
3. whenever using the K3 & K3s. 

The noise cancelling works perfectly with 
the blower from the Alpha 77SX right next 
to me, I only hear what is coming in from 
the radio. Why your QC-35 does not noise 
cancel when attached via cord is not 
normal, mine is a Godsend.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> 
> I have Bose QC-35 headphones. Noise canceling does not work on any
> radio when you use the cord. Headphones work well with a Bluetooth
> connection.What kind of device do I use, if and when my K4 is
> delivered?Also on the K4 can a USB port expander be used on the K4
> with multiple devices and what is the K4 limited  to?Jim K9TFSent
> from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 training

[Gary Smith]

Yes, 

That's the current way of things. What I 
suggest would be more like an on-line 
video operator's manual sanctioned by 
Elecraft, with logical menu to find the 
how-to, exactly, the function you want 
being done.

I'm not thinking so much where is the 
Power Switch, but more like how to 
determine which thought process to use 
with the K4/K4D/K4HD to best accomplish 
commonly used procedures, and then how to 
get that done. Things like the display 
will be a bugger for awhile & the picture 
being worth a thousand words concept is 
magnified with concise video.

Do-it-yourselfers on youtube will not get 
to the point & will be offering opinions 
which isn't helpful to the direct 
question. More, you'll have to use 
youtube's search engine to hopefully find 
what you're looking for, and then be 
subjected to advertisements before and 
during the presentation.

It'll all be sorted out, I'm just thinking 
the official video how-to would be a real 
asset to many. Maybe not.

73 & stay safe,

Gary
KA1J


> I AM SURE...
> When the first K4 is in the hands of users, that there will be a
> "flurry" of YouTube un-boxing videos.  I am sure the how-to videos
> will follow.
> 
> 73, steve WB3LGC
> 
> On 8/4/20 3:47 AM, turnbull wrote:
> > 
> > Gary makes a good suggestion.    TenTec use to have a CD  which
> > accompanied the Orion 2.   This is going to be a pretty complex
> > radio with all its features.   "Are we there yet?"Hang in there
> > good ship Elecraft.73 Doug EI2CNPS Now feel for our friends who do
> > not speak English.    That is the majority of mankind.Sent from my
> > Samsung Galaxy smartphone.  Original message From:
> > Gary Smith  Date: 04/08/2020  07:05  (GMT+00:00) To:
> > elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K4 training I would
> > really like it if when the K4 is released, there were also released
> > on the same day, training videos showing what to push, what to
> > enter, a how-to set of videos covering different topics of interest.
> > Either a bunch of short ones on a web page, sorted by topic &
> > exactly to the point so they'd be easy to find and could be easily
> > replayed till the idea is understood. That, or a good legend
> > accompanying a long, more encompassing presentation with reference
> > time marks to know where to search for a given demonstration.We all
> > learn differently, I have 11 years of college under my belt, but in
> > my old age I still say I learn best by observing a demonstration
> > than otherwise.But that's just
> > me.73,GaryKA1J__

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[Elecraft] K4 training

[Gary Smith]

I would really like it if when the K4 is 
released, there were also released on the 
same day, training videos showing what to 
push, what to enter, a how-to set of 
videos covering different topics of 
interest. 

Either a bunch of short ones on a web 
page, sorted by topic & exactly to the 
point so they'd be easy to find and could 
be easily replayed till the idea is 
understood. That, or a good legend 
accompanying a long, more encompassing 
presentation with reference time marks to 
know where to search for a given 
demonstration.

We all learn differently, I have 11 years 
of college under my belt, but in my old 
age I still say I learn best by observing 
a demonstration than otherwise.

But that's just me.

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 in production

[Gary Smith]

I'm always bemused when a completely 
unexpected series of profoundly affecting 
variables, none of which are from internal 
causes, make themselves a factor in 
development and construction, appear and 
globally interfere with design, 
production, and supply. This fluid state 
appears while a specific completion date 
and time was never assured of, & in 
subsequent conversations with advance 
purchasers. 

As there was never a promised date, there 
is a Pandemic where over 100,000 people in 
the USA alone have already died, 
Manufacturing globally has taken a real 
hit, transportation has taken a major 
blow. I had a USPS 2 day package shipped 
from Michigan on Sat 11 and it is nor the 
16th & tracking shows it just left 
Michigan on route to CT. It may be here on 
Saturday. That'll be a 6 day delivery with 
a 2 day promise. That same kind of delay 
is happening to the construction of the K4 
and any new components are also affected 
in this way. There is no other choice and 
I want it And I want It Now pressure 
doesn't do anything but waste everyone's 
time. It has zero rate on accelerating 
production and if anything, detracts from 
the focus from the principals.

All this takes me back to the bemusement I 
get when reading such comments. Do they 
really believe in this arena it will move 
anything along faster, and if the company 
indeed did rush to complete while not 
having sufficient components in, on time, 
that it would behove the production run in 
any way whatsoever? 

Good friends, chill, this is an 
unprecedented time and Elecraft is moving 
along in the best way to give the best 
product they can do. We'll have our little 
beauties when they're vetted and 
competent. Till then, chill, practice some 
CW Check the antenna connections stop 
thinking of it should have been here by 
now, because it was never promised to be 
here by now. Things are moving forward 
nicely. 

And yes, I dropped the full deposit for a 
K4D and am aware I'll have to wait for the 
HD module to be created. I'm, metal 
detecting, digitizing my stereo collection 
and enjoying the Yamaha on nice days. 
Elecraft is doing their job, and I'm doing 
mine.

73,

Gary
KA1J





> Given lead times, if the Dec/Jan ship date was not BS, then parts
> would already have already been in transit before primary covid
> impacts were in place. OK, that was missed.
> 
> I understand these are not normal times. And I live in Santa Clara
> County, understand current density and watch county #s (and Health
> Orders being ignored by the public).
> 
> That they aren't shipping on time now seems most immediately
> attributable to covid, agreed. That this is the case is seems a result
> of either failure to deliver or failure to honestly communicate last
> year.
> 
> We're now reaching the window of the most recent round of delivery
> promises, yet I don't know anyone, including those who fronted cash a
> year ago on a Nov date, who has even gotten final pricing yet.
> 
> Hence my frustration. I not only am impatient about getting the Shiny
> (surprise), I feel deceived about how it has been handled by someone
> sitting on thousands of dollars of my cash.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:47 AM Fred Jensen 
> wrote:
> 
> > Say again?  The virus began in Asia [Wuhan China to be exact] at the
> > very end of 2019.  Many of the parts that Elecraft and every other
> > manufacturer uses are sourced out of Asia.  Everyones' supply chains
> > are disrupted now but slowly improving.
> >
> > Elecraft is based in California.  The population density in
> > California is high ... high enough that if everyone stood 1 meter
> > from everyone else, some would be standing in Nevada and some in the
> > Pacific Ocean. [:=)  From the news that leaks over the Sierra Nevada
> > to Sparks, Elecraft is really working to both resume normal
> > production AND protect their employees and families so they can
> > continue normal production.
> >
> > 73,
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> > On 7/16/2020 10:20 AM, Tox wrote:
> > > The parts availability issue was supposed to have been resolved
> > pre-covid.
> > > Wondering what the facts are.
> > > (not griefing you, just frustrated by Nov,Dec/Jan,Mar/Apr,Jul/Aug
> > >   string-along)
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Books

[Gary Smith]

I second the use of PDF for finding 
answers. It really helps these old eyes to 
be able to expand the print quickly after 
using the search feature to find the word 
I'm searching for. A searchable PDF does 
this wonderfully.

Another thing that helps me greatly is a 
video say on youtube that has an outline 
and an instructor doing certain things 
with a clear camera view so it's like 
having an instructor right in front of you 
& the equipment so you can mirror image 
what they are doing exactly, to 
understand.

Being able to look on an outline and see 
for example "Adjusting the noise blanker": 
14.45 Meaning at 14 min, 45 seconds, that 
presentation is found on the video.

73, stay well,

Gary
KA1J


> I solved my issues with understanding Elecraft radios, I prefer all
> thee methods of learning to fully know the ins and outs.  What assists
> me most after reading all pertinent parts to my use, is to search a
> downloaded PDF manual to find what I have forgotten and need to
> refresh my memory.   To me I don't  find more books helpful, just the
> manual and use and quick searches.  Oh, and I save the current
> settings frequently in case I really screw up.  Before I restore, I
> use the issue as a learning tool.
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
>  On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent:
> Monday, June 29, 2020 9:10 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject:
> Re: [Elecraft] K4 Books
> 
> Skip,
> 
> Fred addressed 3 different learning methods in his books.  First was
> those who learn by reading (I am one of those), 2nd is those who learn
> from examples (expanded reading) and thirdly those who learn from
> hands-on exercises.  Fred addressed all 3 in his books. He did comment
> that there was nothing in his books that was not in the Elecraft
> manual, but his approach to presenting the material was different. 
> That is why his books exceed 200 pages while the Elecraft manuals are
> usually in the vicinity of 100 pages.
> 
> On 6/29/2020 7:37 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> > I found that the value in Fred's book was due to approach.  The K3
> > manual is good ... very good ... and like most all user manuals,
> > takes a "control approach" -- "The SHIFT and WIDTH controls adjust
> > the center frequency and the width of the DSP filtering."  Fred's
> > book explains what the DSP filtering is, the effects the controls
> > have on it, and how it affects operation of the radio.
> > 
> > I'm not suggesting the "control approach" is wrong or bad, user
> > manuals need to explain what each control does.  It's just a
> > different approach to the subject.  I find both very useful.
> > 
> >  From what little I know about the K4, I can't imagine that either a
> >  
> > K3 manual or Fred's K3 book would be of much value for a new K4
> > owner.
> > 
> > 73,
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> > 
> > On 6/29/2020 4:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> >> Tongue planted firmly in cheek --
> >> What? Study the manual?  We are hams and can just push buttons and
> >> turn knobs and see what happens!
> >>
> >> Seriously, I think some hams really do it that way.
> >>
> >> How much more pleasure would they get out of their gear if they
> >> took the time to study the manual.  That is NOT a casual perusal
> >> paging through the manual. That is sitting down in front of the
> >> radio with the manual open and identifying things as well as trying
> >> things out with a dummy load when it involves transmitting.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Don W3FPR
> >>
> >> On 6/29/2020 7:06 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Maybe study the manual? Worked fine for me with most ham gear I've
> >>> owned, including the K3 and companion products.
> >>>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 capabilities

[Gary Smith]

I remember seeing Barbie Benton as the 
Playboy centerfold. I tacked that in my 
closet. 

Posting that on my wish list never did 
work...

73 :)

Gary
KA1J

> I took similar action: I took a screenshot of the downloaded K4
> brochure and had it put onto a mousepad.  So now I have a K4
> (mousepad) on my ham shack desk.  
> 
> 73
> Hoop K9QJS 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:46 AM Ralph Parker  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > While anxiously waiting in line for the KPA500 to be released, I
> > printed out a picture of the front panel of the '500, cut it out and
> > placed it on the shelf where the '500 would go. *Then I could
> > pretend that the station was complete.* Almost as good as the real
> > thing!
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 news?

[Gary Smith]

Eric,

You weren't replying to me, but as someone 
who has already spotted for the K4D a good 
while ago; my thoughts are to take your 
time. If parts aren't available, they will 
be. If the parts are not available because 
of a pandemic, they will be as soon as is 
realistic. It just takes patience when 
dealing with things nobody has an answer 
to or a timetable impossible to offer 
because of that.

I'm looking forward to the K4D when you're 
able, good, & ready to release it. I 
suspect we all feel that way.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Hi Irwin,
> 
> We are also concerned about the impact of the COVID-19 virus on the
> shipping and supply chains we use for parts used in all of our
> products, including the K4. While managing the supply chain and
> quickly finding alternate parts when they go obsolete or when
> shortages pop up has been a normal part of our production planning
> process for years, it has certainly become more challenging as this
> situation quickly evolves.
> 
> We've been tracking and compensating for this on the K4 for some time.
> While we manufacture our radios, amps etc. here in California, the
> electronic components used by us and almost all other U.S.
> manufacturers come from both the U.S. and from suppliers all around
> the world. (Many are not even manufactured in the U.S.) We've been
> careful to source many of the major K4 items, like the flat screen
> display used in the K4, from other countries than China.  The biggest
> area of concern recently has been with the passive components
> (resistors, caps etc) used on all of our designs. Even when purchased
> from U.S. suppliers, many of these parts may come from China and other
> offshore sources.
> 
> We also have built up inventory on many critical K4 parts here
> (including Knobs etc.) but of course, as noted by others, it only
> takes a single critical part delay in the future to hold things up. 
> We plan with alternate suppliers when possible, but even then we have
> to periodically scramble to source new parts for production. Fun, eh?
> 
> In any case, so far we have not encountered any major show stoppers,
> though even prior to the current COVID scare began seeing delivery
> delays increasing. We'll have a much better picture on how this will
> impact the K4 as major component deliveries arrive at the factory over
> the coming weeks. Fortunately, we are busy both getting all aspects of
> production started and we are also working in engineering every day to
> add cool new features to the K4. Not much time to sleep at Elecraft
> these days.
> 
> Time for more coffee..
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> *elecraft.com *
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 5:14 AM Irwin Darack  wrote:
> 
> > I am curious to know if the reduction in manufacturing in China, do
> > to the COVID-19 virus, is having an affect on the ability of
> > Elecraft to obtain parts? The area of China that is the epicenter is
> > a major manufacturer of electronic components.
> >
> > Irwin KD3TB
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:11 PM Rick Miller - N1RM 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Very clever post.
> > >
> > > When they announced the last delay, there was a statement that
> > > there
> > would
> > > be more frequent updates.  Perhaps, if nothing else, this thread
> > > will provide motivation for another update.  Since many of us are
> > > "investors"
> > in
> > > the K4, it seems reasonable to ask.
> > >
> > > 73 and hope your twitter remains under control!
> > > Rick
> > > N1RM
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery is now in May

[Gary Smith]

I hear you, we have a finite life. 

Aside from that eternal reality, I can't 
imagine wishing for something that by 
logistics isn't ready for release. All I 
can picture if they did release it early, 
before it was realistically able to be 
released, is all the whining and 
complaints I would be reading on it being 
released too early.

OTOH, I like that they are doing what is 
possible to make the K4 intact as much as 
possible before its release.

I paid in full for the K4D and am more 
than happy to wait for the perfected 
version. Some are more "I want it and I 
want it now", that too is a valid concept.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Wow. K4- perhaps first delivery in May now.
> Very disappointing.
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Mouse support

[Gary Smith]

Gregg,

Excellent! While not a "have to have", 
having wireless mouse support works 
perfectly with my desk.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Gary:
> 
> I asked this question shortly after the K4 was announced, and at that
> time the answer was yes.
> 
> 73
> Gregg W6IZT
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> Sunday, January 12, 2020 21:29 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject:
> [Elecraft] K4 Mouse support
> 
> I've grown attached to using a wireless mouse and wonder if that is
> also an option with the K4 & the monitor?
> 
> Thanks & HNY,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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[Elecraft] K4 Mouse support

[Gary Smith]

I've grown attached to using a wireless 
mouse and wonder if that is also an option 
with the K4 & the monitor?

Thanks & HNY,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Copying CW at high speeds

[Gary Smith]

This over 100 WPM is better than I have 
ever been able to do. To that end, I have 
a cert for 45 WPM from some time back and 
though I don't own that speed today, I can 
copy at that speed, it's just my brain 
lags and it didn't use to.

The last Stew Perry contest, I realized my 
bottleneck was typing in the grid square, 
I'd have to memorize each report and then 
hen-peck the data into the keyboard which 
I have to use 4 fingers to do (long 
story). 

I came to understand what I needed to do 
was not remember the call and type before 
replying, I need to listen to the call, 
it's 100% in my head then, but then hit 
the N1MM reply for report, and while it's 
sending the data, then input the data in 
my head into N1MM. 

I cannot hear and type at the same time, 
but I can copy most everything sent in 
clean CW, regardless of reasonable speed. 
I admire those that can sight read music 
at tempo, it's the same as hearing CW and 
transcribing it at the same time.

Mandatory Elecraft content, I have paid 
for a K4D and will be happy when I get it, 
time waiting till then is irrelevant.

Happy New Year to all!

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 YouTube Video List by Date

[Gary Smith]

Ever since the 8086 XT processor where I 
could work 2 more MHz out of it, I have 
loved upgrading processors to get faster 
speeds. This being within the same family 
of processor, ones that simply drop into 
the existing socket & motherboard, some 
are much faster than others and have a 
more expansive architecture than their 
younger brother.

Perhaps that will be an option for the K4 
if the processor is socketed, say in 3-4 
years a replacement with ever greater 
speed and capabilities will come out. 
Maybe in the case of the K4 such a 
processor change would be inconsequential? 
Time will tell. 

One thing for sure, I really like the 
options for future expansion the K4 
modular system allows for.

Cheers to us all.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> John, that's the beauty of it all... you can play now (or rather in
> the near future) or you can wait and decide for yourself after all the
> 'glorious independent reviews come in' (grump around like the Grumpy
> Old K3 Grinch who stole Christmas). "When I was a young man we used a
> K3 or a K3S and by golly we loved it" You young whipper snappers
> with your new fangled K4 gizzo radios! :)  Is someone making you
> upgrade to a K4? Twisting your arm? You totally missed the point.
> 
> The K4 isn't ONLY about the receiver specs... maybe for you so you
> have no choice but to wait...  I get it...  However if that was the
> case, then you would have bought some other transceiver that has
> already exceeded some of the K3S's specs. No? The point here is that
> there is far more to the new platform than receiver specs alone and
> the potential truly leaves the exhausted K3's processing and now
> static capabilities in the dust (Elecraft is moving on whether you
> like it or not... that ship has already sailed!). Plus sensitivity is
> only as good as the noise floor your antenna system provides... I'm
> not aware of an HF antenna system that provides a ~-133dBm to -145dBm
> MDS noise floor.  So sensitivity is all relative to your antenna
> system.  Blocking dynamic range is far more important to me.  It's
> time for Elecraft to move on to a platform they can build on.  I'm
> sure many will shake their fist in the air, weep and wail and gnash
> their teeth, holding on to the K3s for years and years to come (a
> testament to K3 success), but many will be excited for what the K4
> will bring and are willing to go along for the ride right from the
> start.
> 
> You can stomp your feet and do what you like...bark at the moon and
> pound sand and continue to stick with the K3 until the end of times,
> nothing wrong with that... try to convince yourself that the creators
> of the K3 can't do any better.  I'm in the camp that they have already
> done better and I want to go along for that ride.  Doing better
> includes far more capabilities than dropping the MDS by a few dBm what
> will net nothing. Onward and upward I say... it's exciting to see that
> there is and continues to be a market to keep pushing the envelope in
> the HF transceiver market.
> 
> Max NG7M
> 
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:20 AM John Stengrevics
>  wrote:
> 
> > POTENTIALLY better NR & NB will have to wait for hard data and
> > independent reviews.
> >
> > And, this will absolutely determine whether or not I transition from
> > the K3S to the K4 (along with improved sensitivity).
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > John
> > WA1EAZ
> >
> > > On Dec 23, 2019, at 9:43 AM, M. George
> > > 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It's not surprising that there many looking for all the
> > > information they can get on the K4 etc.. Here is a YouTube link
> > > that lists K3 related video 'Search for Elecraft K4 Sorted by Date
> > > for Video posted this year' <
> > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=elecraft+k4=CAISBAgF
> > EAE%253D
> > >
> > > :
> > >
> > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=elecraft+k4=CAISBAgF
> > EAE%253D
> > >
> > > Just use the filter option in YouTube in this case to narrow down
> > > the videos to the latest postings based on the search criteria to
> > > get the latest video by date.
> > >
> > > The first video in this list contains a lot of detail at 38
> > > minutes long (Eric). (ELECRAFT K4 IN DEPTH with WA6HHQ at Waters &
> > > Stanton Ltd Portsmouth UK).  Take the time and watch the whole
> > > video... there is a
> > lot
> > > of detail in this one.
> > >
> > > For the questions that seem to persist about how the K4 will
> > > compare to
> > the
> > > K3... you quickly begin to understand that the receiver specs will
> > > be similar to the K3S, especially once you understand the K4
> > > design approach with the hyrbird direct sampling approach and
> > > superhet addition in the K4HD.  At the same time, I'm not going to
> > > underestimate the potential for some eye popping numbers when the
> > > K4HD module is introduced. (think Third-Order Dynamic Range Narrow
> > > Spaced rankings).  However if the specs are similar to the K3S or
> > > even a little better, it's becoming more clear
> > to
> 

Re: [Elecraft] Latest rumors on K4

[Gary Smith]

I truly get the idea of wanting to know 
when something new like the K4 is being 
brought out, I'd like to know too. 

I always hesitate to ask because I it is 
probably impossible for anyone in 
management to make a statement other than 
"predicted". I'm sure they have no idea in 
any specific date; the testers have to 
present their findings, then the company 
has to find out if there are hard/software 
issues, or if the tester misunderstood 
something. If there is a problem then that 
has to be resolved before shipping. 

If the instructions were misunderstood 
then they have to find out if it is the 
instructions that are needing correction, 
or if the manual was clear but 
misunderstood. 

There's more factors but until they feel 
secure that they have a product that will 
bring praise from reviewers and the 
public, there really can't be a release 
date that is in stone.

Yeah, we all already know all this, and we 
all want the finished product ASAP (I paid 
for mine long back), but I'll keep using 
my K3s & P3 till the K4D comes out. 

Odd, I don't like waiting, but I don't 
mind waiting either. One of those 
oxymoron's of life... :)

Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, Happy 
Kwanzaa, Happy Festivus... whatever you 
celebrate at this time of year, Cheers to 
you and those you love.

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 ETA Date?

[Gary Smith]

According to their pre-order page, January 
is the target date.

https://elecraft.com/pages/k4-pre-order

I have my order in :)

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Any update on the ETA for the first deliveries of the K4?
> 
> 73, Lou, W0FK 
> 
> 
> 
> -
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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-K3] K3S to be discontinued

[Gary Smith]

FWIW, I am betting on the K4 and have 
fully pre-paid the estimate on the K4D. 

If it comes out to cost more in the end, 
so be it. I love my K3 & the K3s because 
of their wonderful brilliance, how could I 
not possibly go for the K4 knowing the 
mentality behind the brand?

Personally, I wish I had an iota of the 
necessary mojo to create such a radio. As 
I don't, I have faith in those who do.

My 2 pence...

73,

Gary
KA1J


> How much money would you like to bet? As much as Eric and Wayne? If
> your assertion were true, no one would buy a Flex, or an Icom or a
> FTDX-101. Hams love new stuff and there's a reason that Wayne and Eric
> are willing to bet their actual money against your virtual money that
> lots of ops will want a K4. If you've been following this list, people
> have been asking for a replacement for the K3/K3S for a decade. I'm
> pretty sure if Elecraft builds it, the customers will come.
> 
> The K4 will likely have a cleaner signal than the K3S due to
> predistortion.
> 
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
> 
> 
> On 11/4/19 9:42 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
> >
> > I don't want to look like I'm beating a dead horse so this will be
> > my last comment on the subject, but my point was that I don't think
> > very many contest stations or DXpeditions are going to sell their
> > K3s rigs to buy a K4 (I don't see a compelling reason for them to do
> > so), so I'm not sure how much value there is in it being a 12 volt
> > rig even if the price range is similar.   If anyone views that
> > differently I'd like to hear their reasoning.
> >
> > And I'd bet a lot of money that most contesters or DXpedition 
> > operators would be glued to their laptop screens and punching
> > keyboard buttons instead of watching the LCD display on the rig. I
> > know that I have operated entire major contests without ever
> > touching anything except the tuning knob on my K3.  Everything else
> > I need to do is controllable from N1MM+.
> >
> > The capability for future features could of course prove me wrong on
> > both accounts, but for now it just doesn't seem to me that they
> > would likely override the immediate value in having a significantly
> > cleaner signal.  Clearly Elecraft has made their choice, for better
> > or for worse.
> >
> > Done now.  ;)
> >
> > 73,
> > Dave   AB7E
> >
> >
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[Elecraft] Suggestion for the K4

[Gary Smith]

Something I'd mentioned earlier that would 
be good for the K3 will also apply on the 
K4 as well: Operating permissions per 
band. Perhaps an option for license class 
operating permissions. Select to engage 
the option for General and you will always 
be 100% operating properly as a General. 
An Extra uses the radio, select Extra and 
forget it. 

For example, the band segments contain 
different frequencies in the US for 
different classes/modes of license. To 
have a user selectable option in config to 
prevent a General from Tx in an extra 
segment would be an asset. 
Likewise this would prevent an Extra from 
inadvertently operating a mode outside 
their permission.
Another reason if you allow a Technician 
operator to use your radio say at FD, they 
might be unused to your radio and this 
would prevent them from going outside 
their permissions.

To be able to select per band where you 
are allowed to transmit & the mode 
permissions would allow anyone in the 
world to configure their K4 properly to 
meet their country's band plan.

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 panadapter vs. P3

[Gary Smith]

I have to say I'm really looking forward 
to using this, it sounds like it's going 
to be wonderful.

73, Gary KA1J


> 
> > David Stout wrote:
> > 
> > I would like to see a comparison of the P3 and K4 in full screen
> > mode. Is the K4 scope faster, higher res?
> 
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> The K4's LCD has nearly 3x the area of the P3's, and 5x as many
> pixels. The resolution (pixels per inch) is about 30% greater. It's
> faster as well as brighter -- the K4 screen was easily readable in
> diffuse daylight during Field Day, while some other rigs' displays
> were not.
> 
> The K4's panadapter area using the standard display format is 25%
> greater than the P3's. This doesn't include the per-VFO "mini-pan"
> displays that overlay the S-meters, when desired, for fine tuning of
> signals.
> 
> Thanks to the much larger LCD, variations on the panadapter could be
> created that are much larger than this, at the expense of some
> per-receiver icons and the S-meters. So far we haven't felt the need,
> partly because the K4 includes an HDMI output that can drive an
> external monitor of any required size. This external monitor can be
> configured to display just the panadapter, with independent settings
> from the panadapter on the LCD.
> 
> Beyond this the K4 display provides:
> 
> - dual-pan mode (separate panadapters for main/A and sub/B)
> 
> - single or dual text decode windows
> 
> - far more digital signal processing horsepower (in aggregate, 
>   roughly an order of magnitude greater than the K3S+P3)
> 
> - built-in IQ data streaming for use with computer applications
> 
> - a configurable multi-band mode to allow a quick check of activity
>   on your favorite bands
> 
> - more flexibility in terms of display functions
> 
> - overlays for various functions (e.g.: DX call station list, 
>   help information on all controls, RX/TX graphic EQ, alphanumeric
>   keyboard for message/macro/menu entry, etc.); 
> 
> - virtually unlimited code space for future expansion; examples
>   might include high-performance data decoders, AZ/EL display,
>   custom station controls, image display, etc.
> 
> In short, the K4's display is much larger and more versatile,
> providing the kind of control visibility and convenience that's only
> possible by integrating the display into the transceiver itself.
> 
> Oh, and it's really fun to use :)
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] WTB: CNC VFO knobs with bearing dimple

[Gary Smith]

I really like these knobs, they work well 
for me, work well for other folks?, maybe 
not so much. Regardless I'd like another 
CNC metal VFO A knob made for the K3, with 
bearing dimple.

If you have one you don't use/like, please 
contact me directly.

73,

Gary
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[Elecraft] K4 VFO A Knob size

[Gary Smith]

I have one of the apparently discontinued 
CNC machined knobs on my K3s, the one with 
the bearing for the finger dimple. I 
really find that bearinged dimple an asset 
I use constantly, especially in contests. 

The K4 doesn't come with one & I would 
like to migrate it to the K4. Are the 
knobs the same size on the K4?

Thanks & 73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Newsletter suggestion

[Gary Smith]

Folks,

I just don't see a url to click for this 
in my newsletter so I just added my gmail 
email to the mailing list & I'll read the 
newsletter from Google. I'll get two 
copies in Pegasus but that's when I'll 
know to read it from Google.

Thanks for the replies.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> My email software (Pegasus) strips many 
> different kinds of images, this is part of 
> its way of keeping viruses out of the 
> computer & one of the reasons I keep using 
> it after 25 years. It does this with most 
> bulk email like Kim Komando & best Buy for 
> example. It does this with the monthly 
> Elecraft newsletter as well. All I see are 
> gray squares where the photo was formatted 
> in the email.
> 
> Most bulk emails coming in like this have 
> a link to view the email on the web 
> (usually at the top, sometimes at the 
> bottom of the message) & if not, the gray 
> squares have a clickable link where it 
> takes you to the article in question. In 
> this month's newsletter there were some 
> things to see on the K4 but the photos did 
> not come with a clickable link so I can't 
> see the info.
> 
> My suggestion is to have a web page of the 
> newsletter available and that link 
> attached to each email. 2nd best would be 
> to have photos with clickable links.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] Newsletter suggestion

[Gary Smith]

Steve,

I believe you, I can take a screen print 
to show that does not appear here.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Gary:
> 
> The copy of the newsletter I received does have a link labeled "View
> this email in your browser" at the very top.
> 
> --... ...--
> SteveSgt, KC6ZKT
> 
> 
> On 10/25/19 20:48 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > My email software (Pegasus) strips many 
> > different kinds of images, this is part of 
> > its way of keeping viruses out of the 
> > computer & one of the reasons I keep using 
> > it after 25 years. It does this with most 
> > bulk email like Kim Komando & best Buy for 
> > example. It does this with the monthly 
> > Elecraft newsletter as well. All I see are 
> > gray squares where the photo was formatted 
> > in the email.
> > 
> > Most bulk emails coming in like this have 
> > a link to view the email on the web 
> > (usually at the top, sometimes at the 
> > bottom of the message) & if not, the gray 
> > squares have a clickable link where it 
> > takes you to the article in question. In 
> > this month's newsletter there were some 
> > things to see on the K4 but the photos did 
> > not come with a clickable link so I can't 
> > see the info.
> > 
> > My suggestion is to have a web page of the 
> > newsletter available and that link 
> > attached to each email. 2nd best would be 
> > to have photos with clickable links.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Gary
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[Elecraft] Newsletter suggestion

[Gary Smith]

My email software (Pegasus) strips many 
different kinds of images, this is part of 
its way of keeping viruses out of the 
computer & one of the reasons I keep using 
it after 25 years. It does this with most 
bulk email like Kim Komando & best Buy for 
example. It does this with the monthly 
Elecraft newsletter as well. All I see are 
gray squares where the photo was formatted 
in the email.

Most bulk emails coming in like this have 
a link to view the email on the web 
(usually at the top, sometimes at the 
bottom of the message) & if not, the gray 
squares have a clickable link where it 
takes you to the article in question. In 
this month's newsletter there were some 
things to see on the K4 but the photos did 
not come with a clickable link so I can't 
see the info.

My suggestion is to have a web page of the 
newsletter available and that link 
attached to each email. 2nd best would be 
to have photos with clickable links.

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Delivery

[Gary Smith]

To me, a longer wait means closer to 
perfection.

;)

73,

Gary
KA1J

> That's new, was still showing Nov/Dec earlier this week :(
> 
> So much for plans to play with it on annual vacation. :(
> 
> Scott
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> 
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> Elecraft website recently, it appears first deliveries are now
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> the recent UK hamfest. > > Grant NQ5T >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO-B knob replacement notes

[Gary Smith]

However you work it, I tried something and 
it worked/works perfectly with my K3 & K3s 
(which has the off-brand metal knobs).

I took the felt washer and put the Teflon 
plumbers tape on it, I wrapped it so the 
felt is now unseen & the washer looks 
"white" from the tape.

This allowed me to tighten the knob as I 
wished, made the feel to be just as I 
liked and best, there was zero sound as I 
turn the knobs. It was for me, a perfect 
solution to getting the feel and action, 
just right.

73,

Gary
KA1J



> 
> Hi,
> 
> Recently I purchased a K3 and found I need to give it some love as it
> has been a bit behind on maintenance.
> 
> One of the issues is that the VFO B knob has cracked. This is Elecraft
> part number E980090, listed as K3 spare part.
> 
> Unfortunately, that knob is no longer available, and here is where the
> fun starts.
> 
> What is sent instead, is Elecraft part E980275. Both E980090 and
> E980275 are listed but only E980275 is available. The replacement knob
> is smaller, the old knob is 1 3/8", the new knob is 1".
> 
> Just replacing the knob won't work because the felt washer sticks out.
> 
> Also, the encoder is too long and the new knob sticks out - the felt
> washer doesn't work.
> 
> Called Elecraft sales and there is some confusion.
> 
> The errata of the build instruction of the K3S (not K3) explains what
> has happened: - The new knob is smaller - it needs a different felt
> washer, replace E700033 with E700416 - the encoder needs an additional
> lock washer, E700150. - So, if you order a replacement, order all of
> this and plan to have to take the front panel apart.
> 
> None of this is on the elecraft website. I also did not find anything
> in the reflector archives. And it's not in the K3 documentation, only
> the K3S documentation.
> 
> This is kind of painful, since in addition to the price of the spare
> parts I ordered to get the K3 up to date ($173) I spent $80 on
> shipping, customs and postal admin overhead and I now find I have an
> incomplete mod kit.
> 
> I will need to cut the wrongly-ordered felt washer to size and find a
> replacement lock washer to make the encoder sink deeper to match the
> new knob.. Again, this isn't listed in the spare parts on the website
> or on the reflector; it is now documented on the reflector, at least.
> 
> Geert Jan
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[Elecraft] K4 knob sizes

[Gary Smith]

I have the CNC weighted knobs with bearing 
dimple on the VFO A knob, non-dimple on 
the B knob. will these transfer to the K4? 
IOW, are they the same size knobs on the 
K4 as the K3?

Cheers!

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed

[Gary Smith]

Kev,

Glad it's working! I'm enough OCD that 
after being a few Hz off every so often 
and going through the ref cal procedure, I 
bought the exref option and a BFG7TBL 
GPSDO on fleabay. With this, the K3 & now 
K3s is adjusted perfectly at all times and 
the computer clock is dead on constantly.

I used NMEATime for the satellite software 
for time and it's for me, perfect, never 
fails.

Rarely I'll find the P3 is a tad off but 
when it is, all I do now is find WWV, set 
the span the the narrowest, tap the P3 
menu button, select ref cal, tap select, 
adjust the encoder till the center P3 line 
is in the center of the signal, tap select 
and I'm done. As the radio is always kept 
stable with the GPSDO, it's that one 
occasional above set of actions that takes 
30 seconds, to keep the P3 in perfect 
sync.

I believe Wayne said the hardware to 
connect directly to the GPSDO is included 
with the upcoming K4 series.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Only to read the scale. Keyed from the rig.
> 
> It's working guys! As I mentioned, everything is lining up as
> expected.
> 
> This is why I went with Elecraft. Because of this group. Last group
> would have been everything from RTFM to why would you want to do
> that...
> 
> 73,
> Kev N4TT
> 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:56 PM Don Wilhelm 
> wrote:
> 
> > Kev,
> >
> > Do you have FlDigi set to produce audio tones in SSB mode for CW or
> > is it keying the K3 directly? That will make a significant
> > difference, and the P3 signal placement will reflect that.
> >
> > We did not consider that you were using a software application to
> > produce CW previously to this post. Know what your software
> > application is doing and you may have the answer to your question.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 7/25/2019 2:41 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> > > Hi Don:
> > >
> > > I'm still checking things out but I think I have it all working
> > > together. I calibrated the radio using WWV at 5, 10 and 15 MHz. I
> > > only had to line up one and the other two fell right in. Then I
> > > went to the P3 and lined that up with ref cal. Again, everything
> > > lined up at 5, 10 and 15.
> > >
> > > Then I want back to fldigi which is where I originally noticed the
> > > difference. I have the radio and fldigi set for a CW sidetone of
> > > 600 Hz. When I would tune in the radio for the 600 Hz tone on a
> > > random CW signal, the peak of the P3 trace was right over the
> > > signal and Fldigi showed the signal up at  600 Hz. Everything
> > > matched. This is what I was looking for, the three functions
> > > matching.
> > >
> > > I think I'm in good shape.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed

[Gary Smith]

This may be too simplistic or doesn't 
address the OP as well as it could but...

I do have an external 10M reference, a 
GPSDO and use that to keep the K3s in 
proper frequency adjustment. That said, 
the instructions in the K3 or K3s manual 
address how to zero beat a known frequency 
source like WWV.

Once the K3/K3s is adjusted to be 
accurately on the exact frequency (ie: 
15.00). I then go to the P3 and at the 
narrowest "Span" option on the P3, select 
"Ref Cal" from the menu button. and move 
the signal; till it is at dead center on 
the screen, right in the center of the 
15.00 MHz signal, right at the center 
mark.

I then tap select and this returns the P3 
to normal function. This leaves me with a 
monitor that shows exactly where signals 
are and when I use the marker function, it 
lands that chosen signal dead center and 
the K3s reflects it as well as the P3.

Nothing like a cool smoothie on a hot 
day...

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard

[Gary Smith]

When I install TMP cables in hard-to-reach 
locations I use hemostats, the ones with 
the knurled teeth. Of course never clamp 
down on the connector, keep it with the 
loosest possible grip so as not to deform 
anything.

Gary
KA1J

> i have never had a problem with TMP cables themselves.  They´ve been
> in and out of my K3 many times doing upgrades, etc.  I HAVE had a
> problem with my own careless installation.
> 
> In some socket locations you have to be careful.  You can´t just jam
> the plug in the socket when you feel resistance.  On a few of the
> sockets (not all), if the cable enter pin is slightly misaligned and
> you keep pushing, you will end up displacing the tip end of the
> socket.  Can´t say that´s what happened here, but appropriate care
> can put off a lot of head scratching and diagnosis time later.
> 
> Hard lessons learned the hard way .. 
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
> > On Jul 10, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I have had similar problems with the TMP cables. Was tempted to just
> > replace all of them, but everything seems to be working great now!
> > 
> > Tom W4KX
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Brian 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Anyhow, earlier today (a month later ? )  the same thing happened.
> >> So before pulling the receiver board and re-setting it in the pin
> >> socket (hoping for a better connection) I looked at the other
> >> hardware connection there.. the two TMP plugs/sockets. So I took
> >> the two cables out with the TMP plugs on them and reset them twice.
> >> Behold, signals heard.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

[Gary Smith]

All excellent advice. The issue for me is 
this was new behavior, it was not like 
this 2 weeks ago. I have from the 
beginning, kept the windows sound levels 
around 52 and always had the expected good 
behavior. About a week ago I discovered I 
was having the issues I posted about. I 
had not made any adjustments and indeed 
the computer and the software continued to 
use the USB source from the K3s.

Baffling as to why the change.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Bob's statement (below) provides a good reason for using a dedicated
> USB soundcard for digital modes - and make sure Windows does not set
> it as the default soundcard. You do not need an expensive soundcard
> for digital modes, many of them can be found in the $25 price range
> and are more than adequate for the task.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 6/16/2019 6:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> >
> > Also if you use your computer for other "sound" activities, any
> > change made from that activity may or will change other
> > things.    Just understand how things works and expect to quickly
> > be able to make adjustments with good understanding as to why they
> > need changing. None is a set-and-forget system.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

[Gary Smith]

Bill & all those who replied,

Thanks. I had tried turning everything to 
around 52 in the windows device but that 
did not resolve the issue. I dropped it to 
1/3 and indeed that resolved the issue. 
I've no idea why things are so different 
than they were but They are what they are.

Thank you!

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Go to the Win10 volume mixer. Turn down the wsjt slider to about 30%
> from the bottom. Now the K3 Lin In control will have the proper
> adjustment sensitivity. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On Jun 15, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Gary Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > Something new has come up with the 
> > K3s/JTDX settings and I can't find where 
> > to adjust it to make a change. This is 
> > new, it has been fine till a couple days 
> > ago & maybe the recent win 10 update 
> > nailed me again?
> > 
> > Till now, when setting the levels for Tx 
> > for FT8, I would adjust the setting on the 
> > screen for 4-5 bars with the last one 
> > flickering by adjusting the output with 
> > the speed/Mic knob. The line level would 
> > be somewhere around 5-7 to get this 
> > reading.
> > 
> > Now I have what seems like 
> > hyper-sensitivity, overdrive in that I now 
> > get 5 solid bars with none flickering at 
> > line level 2, I get no bars at line level 
> > 1.
> > 
> > With the K3s set at 20W drive: 
> > 
> > At line level 0 I have no output. 
> > 
> > At line level 1 I have 18W & no bars
> > 
> > At line level 2 I have 5 bars and 18W 
> > output.
> > 
> > There is no adjustment to give me 1, 2, 3 
> > or 4 bars.
> > 
> > I have tried setting the windows sound 
> > settings at different values with no 
> > success, this issue persists.
> > 
> > Any idears?
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > 
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> > 
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[Elecraft] K3s Sensitive adjustment for FT8

[Gary Smith]

Something new has come up with the 
K3s/JTDX settings and I can't find where 
to adjust it to make a change. This is 
new, it has been fine till a couple days 
ago & maybe the recent win 10 update 
nailed me again?

Till now, when setting the levels for Tx 
for FT8, I would adjust the setting on the 
screen for 4-5 bars with the last one 
flickering by adjusting the output with 
the speed/Mic knob. The line level would 
be somewhere around 5-7 to get this 
reading.

Now I have what seems like 
hyper-sensitivity, overdrive in that I now 
get 5 solid bars with none flickering at 
line level 2, I get no bars at line level 
1.

With the K3s set at 20W drive: 

At line level 0 I have no output. 

At line level 1 I have 18W & no bars

At line level 2 I have 5 bars and 18W 
output.

There is no adjustment to give me 1, 2, 3 
or 4 bars.

I have tried setting the windows sound 
settings at different values with no 
success, this issue persists.

Any idears?

Thanks, 

Gary
KA1J


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 port sharing and FT-8

[Gary Smith]

With the K3 & the K3s, I found getting 
WSJT-X to play nice was an oddity; 5% of 
the time it would work and 95% of the time 
it did not (The % is relative to my 
experience, not exact %). All Ham programs 
used LP-Bridge with no issue except 
WSJT-X. 

I finally was directed to Win4K3suite as 
Tom just mentioned. It resolved all the 
issues I had and I was totally happy with 
his software. I was not happy with several 
things regarding WSJT-X and I could see 
people asking for the same things on the 
email forum but these changes didn't come.

A VE friend suggested I try JTDX and 
though it does not do some things I like, 
like MSK for 6M, I found it to do 
everything I liked and it has much the 
same interface as WSJT-X. It is also a 
free program and now that I am using it, I 
no longer use WSJT-X, for me, there's no 
need to. 

http://jtdx.tech/en/videos-guides

Look to the bottom of the downloads column 
on the right & the latest version for 
windows is JTDX v2.0.1-rc137_6

My 2 pence & 73,

Gary
KA1J

> Maybe the collective wisdom of this group has an answer not to be
> found elsewhere.
> 
> Currently, I use DXBase for logging and an SDR-IQ running SpectraVue
> software for a panadapter.  These are "connected" to the K3S using
> LPBridge for port sharing.  This works well, and provides a clean
> spectrum display with point-and-click and mouse wheel tuning, if
> desired. I can also connect N1MM and AXTTY (a DXBase specific version
> of MMTTY) via port sharing if necessary. I don't use skimmer, spots or
> any of that other stuff.
> 
> Enter FT8, which for philosophical reasons I'm not fond of, but
> pragmatism is forcing it on me.  As best as I can determine, WSJT-X
> (FT8) requires total hogging of the K3S com port.  So to switch over
> I have to close the other programs and start WSJT-X. This takes a
> little time while DXBase updates its database.  Going the other way
> takes even more time while LPBridge creates the virtual ports before
> the other programs start.  Although I haven't tried it I believe
> there is a bridge from WSJT-X to DXBase, which then gets frequency
> from WSJT-X.
> 
> So, the question is, is there a solution to this other than buying a
> different radio?
> 
> Wes  N7WS
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Re: [Elecraft] MH3 Mic

[Gary Smith]

You mentioned issues with cracks in the 
MH3 mic. I haven't experienced that with 
my MH4, in fact with my recent order for a 
K4, I ordered an additional MH4 so I can 
have one with the K3s as well.

But as to repairing plastic cracks, 
depending on where they are, you might 
want to get some plastic epoxy and repair 
from the inside. Nothing will make the 
crack disappear but you'll stop the old 
ones from expanding. Do it from the inside 
will be the cleanest way.

A couple days ago I picked up a plastic 
funnel where it has sat since last fall. I 
used the tab on its edge to pick it up, 
the funnel fell off, breaking at the tab. 
Plastic just won't ever last.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> I'm now on my second MH3 mic for KX3 and discovered it too has several
> cracks in the case.  I returned my first one to Elecraft and received
> this one at a reduced price.  This time I asked about the proper
> adhesive to hold it together.  The answer: "As the hand microphones
> are third party devices which we buy ourselves, I will pass the word
> internally,  . . . . . .Further, since we do not repair them, we do
> not have a recommendation on glues etc. to use." I'm concerned this is
> the answer for all third party components!
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on a glue that will work.  I've tried several. 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 Production Prognosis

[Gary Smith]

Possibly, but then you won't have to read 
the bellyaching about how it wasn't made 
the way someone wanted.

There's always a silver lining :)


Gary

> Yes, but I might die before it ships.
> 
> Doug
> 
> "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its
> limits." Albert Einstein 
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> 
>  No one will die if it ships late.  Period.
> 
> flame away.. Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] Handedness

[Gary Smith]

With ergonomics & my 68 years, I prefer 
commonly utilized "objects" be closer to 
the table top level. I rarely use the 
offset but do often use the VFO B when in 
a pileup and I want to move away from 
someone who just started calling on my 
calling frequency. For me, with the K4, I 
would much rather see the offset knob be 
exchanged with the now higher, VFO B as it 
will require me to lift my arm & wrist 
where if it were at the bottom, I could 
maintain the same ergonomic position. In a 
contest or long day at the radio, extra 
motions become uncomfortable over time.

Maybe it's possible for the two knobs to 
be optionally switched in the 
configuration options?

20 years ago it wouldn't have mattered to 
me either way. After an immortal youth 
with Karate, motocross accidents & sports 
injuries, time eventually does have its 
way with us.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> My thoughts on gandedness:
> 
> My complaint about most Radio´s is placement of phone and mic jacks
> on front panels adjacent to control knobs. The RF and AUDIO gain
> controls are still right next to the mic and phone along with a
> potential YSB cable. 
> 
> Put these connectors near "push" button controls. Or on the back
> panel. 
> 
> 
> I´m 76 years old with moderate loss of feeling in fingertips and a
> lot of arthritis so adjusting the gains on my K3S is difficult.  Maybe
> there will be a "slider" on my K4 panel. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On Jun 1, 2019, at 11:37 AM, w7aqk  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > Hmmm!  Even if it were true (that the K4 favored right handers),
> > that wouldn't be a disadvantage to me, and I am very left handed!! 
> > I've almost always favored setting up my radios on my right side,
> > and operating the controls with my right hand.  My left hand is then
> > free to either write, send on my paddle, or whatever!  Now, I do
> > have the ability to do certain things right handed, but not the kind
> > of things that require great precision.  I even play golf right
> > handed, and bat right handed in baseball, but that is more a matter
> > of how I was taught and the equipment available.
> > 
> > I've often thought I should learn to send CW right handed, but never
> > have done it.  I can run an adding machine right handed, but again
> > that was almost forced on me by the design.  In short, I don't know
> > why people want to rely so heavily on their dominant hand.  It
> > really is inconvenient to do so.  Controlling a radio with your
> > "opposite" hand can't be that difficult a task, and the benefits of
> > doing so are many.  You want your dominate hand to be free and
> > available for the kinds of tasks that really require the most
> > dexterity.  Spinning  a dial isn't one of them
> > 
> > Dave W7AQK
> > 
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[Elecraft] K4 Order's in

[Gary Smith]

I pulled the trigger tonight on a K4D, 
Auto tuner & a MH4 mic. I didn't see 
mention of the K4 version of the K3EXREF 
or the high stability TXCO for the k4. 
Maybe it's included?

Now to sell some un-needed things, An up 
to date K3, an Icom Pro, old Corsair II, 
Al-1500, Some 3CPX800A7 pulls I never 
needed to use with my old Ten Tec Titan, 
an unused Pixel loop & much more will go. 
All in all, I'm going to be thinning my 
excess load that I've been promising I'd 
do.

Do a good thing and everything has 
multiple positive reactions.

This is going to be a fun learning curve.

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] K4HD question

[Gary Smith]

Thanks for the reply,

As I require diversity , the K4D is 
necessary, as I also require an autotuner, 
I need that as well. The costs are adding 
up. 

I certainly don't want a new rig that has 
in any way, less capability than the fully 
loaded K3s I have now. If a K4HD with 
autotuner is functionally excess to my 
having a K4D with autotuner, that helps me 
budget. 

73,
Gary
KA1J

> Any of these things you mentioned  might not bother you now BECAUSE
> you are using a K3.
> 
> The K4D adds a second A/D chain with dedicated front end filters for
> whatever band the second receiver is tuned to.  Plus diversity
> reception.
> 
> I seem to recall some reference to a "wide-band" mode, which may
> come in to play if the two receivers in the K4 are tuned to widely
> disparate frequencies (e.g., one on 80M, one on 20M).  This could
> exacerbate the A/D overload issue with wide-band direct sampled SDRs. 
>  Wouldn´t be an issue with the K4D.  Although you might need a K4HD
> to get to the heat-proof front end you currently have with the K3.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
> > On May 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Gary Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > At this time there are no nearby hams to 
> > disrupt my K3s. There are no local AM 
> > broadcasters that come in as overload. I 
> > do have issues with a few 2nd harmonic 
> > stations from the BC band, one for example 
> > from S. America on 1.8400. I won't likely 
> > be using my K4 at a contest site and I am 
> > the only ham in the house.
> > 
> > With that, is there anything the K4HD 
> > offers me Rx-wise, or otherwise, that the 
> > K4D does not?
> > 
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[Elecraft] K4HD question

[Gary Smith]

At this time there are no nearby hams to 
disrupt my K3s. There are no local AM 
broadcasters that come in as overload. I 
do have issues with a few 2nd harmonic 
stations from the BC band, one for example 
from S. America on 1.8400. I won't likely 
be using my K4 at a contest site and I am 
the only ham in the house.

With that, is there anything the K4HD 
offers me Rx-wise, or otherwise, that the 
K4D does not?

Thanks,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] KE7X, Fred Cady, silent key

[Gary Smith]

I bought his K3 manual and found it to be 
a wonderful resource.

73, Fred, RIP

Gary
KA1J

> I am very saddened to report the death  of my long time friend
> Frederick Cady, KE7X.  Many of you know Fred from his series of
> excellent manuals written for Elecraft products.  Fred passed away
> yesterday evening from heart failure.   He is survived by this wife
> Katie and daughter Elizabeth.
> 
> Todd, WA7U
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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Gary Smith]

I've been thinking about buying the K4 
when it comes out, move the K3s to 
"backup", selling my "backup" K3 & also 
sell sell my old Corsair II & an Icom pro.

I think now I'm going to buy the K4, sell 
the Corsair & Icom, move the K3 out to the 
Aliner Popup & have the K3s as backup.

I think that's my best option.

73,
Gary
KA1J 

> Yeah, I keep my rigs "3 Deep".
> A backup and then a backup for the backup.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4

[Gary Smith]

My father, W1BML (SK) worked for General 
Dynamics from 62 till retirement in the 
early 80's as principal engineer in 
electronics on submarines in Groton, CT. 
In WWII he worked in the Philadelphia Navy 
Yard designing submarine propulsion.

He never once revealed any Navy/military 
secret, even back from WWII. Some people 
keep their word.

73

& Kudos to Elecraft on another wonderful 
venture.

Gary
KA1J
 
> And you worked for the CIA when?
> I was in the K3 focus group. I didn´t even tell my wife.
> 
> Victor 4X6GP 
> 
> > On 17 May 2019, at 8:30, Dave Cole (NK7Z)  wrote:
> > 
> > It will be interesting to go through the for sale ads on QRZ, and
> > QTH looking at who sold a K3S in the months leading up to the
> > release date of the K4, then do the same for the time period of the
> > K3 to K3S transition.
> > 
> > If it is the same people, then we can guess at who had advanced
> > knowledge, and who to watch next time...
> > 
> > 73s and thanks,
> > Dave (NK7Z)
> > https://www.nk7z.net
> > ARRL Technical Specialist
> > ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> > ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resource
> > 
> >> On 5/16/19 9:43 PM, Alan wrote:
> >> I'm always amazed at what a great job Elecraft does keeping major
> >> new products secret throughout a long, multi-year development
> >> cycle.  There were engineers and others throughout the country (and
> >> the world) who knew about it but never let it slip. Alan N1AL
> >>> On 5/16/19 12:44 PM, Ken Widelitz wrote:
> >>> Wayne and Eric are like Mueller and his investigators - No leaks.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft's philosophy of community input on product design

[Gary Smith]

Well worded & Thank you for the 
perspective.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> It has often been stated, by both Elecraft and our customers, that we
> leverage user input as we flesh out new products. In this article I'll
> clarify our development model, hopefully elevating it above hearsay.
> It's intentional and methodical. We like to think it's one of the
> things that makes Elecraft unique among well-known amateur radio
> brands.
> 
> * * *
> 
> The design of commercial gear is subject to many constraints. It has
> to meet user expectations, earn type acceptance, do well in
> performance benchmarks, and yet be fairly priced. To varying degrees
> it must also satisfy a universal requirement for communications gear:
> it should be usable during emergencies to support local or regional
> traffic. (For some of us, knowing we might be called upon as the last
> resort in difficult times motivates us to keep our equipment and
> skills fresh.)
> 
> Most use of our gear is by hobbyists, so an additional set of
> requirements comes into play. For example, a radio has to be enjoyable
> to operate. If it's a kit, it must be rewarding and educational to
> build.
> 
> We take this two steps further. 
> 
> First, we believe that our customers -- the real experts when it comes
> to using ham gear -- are a rich source of creative and technical
> input. Second, we recognize that since this is a hobby, the road is
> just as important as the destination. In other words, we want to share
> the *process* of product design with our customers, not just plant a
> stake in the ground and say "this is what we've done; take it or leave
> it."
> 
> To this end, at the onset of a new product cycle we imagine the
> hardware and firmware as an elastic canvas upon which we and our
> customers can sketch and refine ideas. This means products must be
> endowed with a great degree of modularity; we have to leave spaces
> that can be filled in the future, firing the imagination of users.
> Here's a musical analogy: If you've ever listened to jazz trumpeter
> Miles Davis play, you'll notice some gaps between his phrases. These
> allow listeners to engage with his music, completing their part of the
> conversation. The result? You work a bit harder at it, but come away
> more satisfied. (Don't get me started on the Key of Morse.)
> 
> What this means in practice is that we take continuous customer input,
> weight it, adjust firmware implementation priority, and revise or
> extend hardware over time. Let me give you two examples of how this
> has played out.
> 
> K2
> 
> The K2 was the test case for our "canvas" development model. To ensure
> flexibility, we designed intermodule communications around a 1-wire
> bus -- the auxBus -- which we routed to every option connector in the
> radio. These connectors were strategically distributed to nodes where
> they could pick up supply voltages, control, and RF or audio paths.
> The idea was that each module would have its own small MCU, hanging on
> the auxBus, where it could exchange information with the main MCU.
> 
> We then started shipping the K2 to early adopters, soliciting their
> input on what they'd like to see next. I can't claim that this process
> was entirely democratic, and in truth it was messy at times. But the
> upshot was that we quickly followed with new K2 options and firmware
> features in an order that gave users a vote. When 60 meters came on
> the scene, we added a module for that as well.
> 
> Here's where the auxBus comes in: On power-up, each option module
> checks in with the main MCU, reporting its status. But the MCU needn't
> know every detail of how modules function. For example, when you go
> into the menu entry for the K2's ATU (KAT2), the text for the various
> settings is supplied by the KAT2's own MCU, over the auxBus. If you
> update the ATU module to one that has different settings, the main MCU
> doesn't have to be updated -- just the KAT2 itself. The main MCU thus
> functions as a "server" for semantic information supplied by each of
> the option modules.
> 
> The K2 is also an exemplar of hardware flexibility, embodied in
> something we called the 2D fastener. This is a short length of 1/4"
> aluminum bar with three tapped 4-40 holes that permits attachment of
> PC boards, sheet metal, and hardware. Over the years we and our
> customers have taken advantage of 2D fasteners to upgrade or enhance
> products. Our seafaring customers helped us migrate to all
> stainless-steel hardware at some point, facilitated by 2D fasteners as
> generic attachment points.
> 
> Shortly after we thought we'd fully populated the K2 with options, we
> were contacted by Lyle Johnson, KK7P. Lyle had reverse-engineered the
> auxBus node associated with our KAF2 analog audio filter module, where
> he inserted his own: the KDSP2, a DSP-based audio filter complete with
> noise reduction. This is an extreme case of tapping community
> creativity. In addition to adding the KDSP2 to our product 

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility and Win 10

[Gary Smith]

TypeDevice Manager in your search 
window. When it opens look for "Ports"

write down your existing port numbers.

Pull your USB.

The number that leaves is your necessary 
port number.

re-attach the USB and now in the utility, 
go to that port number with the proper 
baud (38K, 36K, something like that) and 
you should reconnect

Gary
KA1J

> Using the correct port?
> 
> On 4/15/2019 5:47 PM, w4sc wrote:
> > Using FTDI USB from Elecraft,  FTDI latest drivers, No HUB, Works
> > with win7,  does not work with Win10.
> >
> > Going back to Win 7.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Don Wilhelm
> > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:16 PM
> > To: w4sc; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility and Win 10
> >
> > Are you using a USB to serial adapter?  If so, have you downloaded
> > and installed the latest drivers for that adapter (if the Elecraft
> > KUSB the drivers are from FTDI).  Reboot the computer after
> > installation.
> >
> > Use a USB port on the computer, not on a hub.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 4/15/2019 3:54 PM, w4sc wrote:
> >> Having trouble with Win10 and K3 Utility communicating with K3. 
> >> Latest K3 utility, and have tried 2 different Win10 machines, all
> >> latest updates.  Tried lower/higher speeds, no joy.  Works FB win7.
> >>   (tnx again Microsoft!!)  Ideas anyone??
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Re: [Elecraft] WTB: KAT3A tuner Module

[Gary Smith]

A follow-up;

While I still would like to buy an excess 
KAT3A for my K3 & if you have one, please 
contact me off-list. It turns out my KAT3A 
is now working perfectly at this time

Before I packed it up to send back for 
repair I looked at the socket and noticed 
they were not gold pins, only the male 
pins on the main board are gold. I doubt 
there would be corrosion so soon but 
what's to lose?

I dripped some Deoxit 100 in and let it 
set a few minutes, then squirted regular 
15% deoxit with its 85% lube, cleaned and 
reinstalled it. The KAT3A is now working 
perfectly on 160 again and as before, all 
the other bands are also working.

I emailed Elecraft to let them know I 
don't need the RMA and won't be sending it 
in. Glad they were there and willing had I 
needed to get it repaired.

73 all,

Gary
KA1J

> Looks like I need a replacement KAT3A 
> tuner. Weighing the cost of 
> repair/replacement, I wonder if anyone has 
> one that they did not use, are not 
> needing?
> 
> If so, please contact me off list with the 
> details.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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[Elecraft] WTB: KAT3A tuner Module

[Gary Smith]

Looks like I need a replacement KAT3A 
tuner. Weighing the cost of 
repair/replacement, I wonder if anyone has 
one that they did not use, are not 
needing?

If so, please contact me off list with the 
details.

73,

Gary
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[Elecraft] KAT3A 160M issue

[Gary Smith]

I have been having unusual transmit issues 
with 160M, SWR issues I have long thought 
was antenna related. 

Last night I found when transmitting on 
160 the SWR on the LP-100 suddenly showed 
9.1 and the same with the remote sensor 
for the P3 but no output shown on the P3 
wattmeter. I connected a dummy to the amp, 
same issue. attached it to the back of the 
K3s & the same issue with the autotuner 
unable to get a good match (HIGH SWR).

This was only on 160, all other bands were 
fine.

I pulled a KAT3 from my backup K3 and all 
now works well, 160M had what showed as a 
beautiful SWR & the amp was very happy 
showing a 1.2 SWR

Before I call Elecraft & take up their 
tech time on a phone call, is there 
anything I might check on this KAT3A 
regarding a 160 failure before starting a 
RMA? The 160 toroid looks fine and no 
obvious issues show to inspection.

thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Gary Smith]

A thought on touch screens.

I love them on my cell phone for the most 
part, very easy to use and all in the palm 
of my hand. Clever technology that is very 
freeing.

As to them on the radio, I have a 
different take; I'm getting old and I'm 
finding years after some accidents, two 
years on crutches when young, martial arts 
back when it was realistic, and activity 
generated arthritis in my shoulder has 
made it more uncomfortable to keep my arm 
extended with my wrist in an up position. 
I even find myself hurting after playing 
guitar for a couple hours, never 
experienced that till as of late. 

I fear using a touch screen would become 
uncomfortable after not too much active 
use. Perhaps if there were a remote tablet 
that could be on the desk instead of the 
touch screen on the radio, that might be 
more comfortable.

73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: [Elecraft] Tinnitus and the K3 RX EQ and Related Variables

[Gary Smith]

Costco. I bought their new Phonak at a 
true savings. Their Kirkland brand are 
fantastic too. Free replacement if lost 
for the first 2 years...

73,

Gary
KA1J

> On 3/27/2019 6:28 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:
> > Maybe an audiologist can help me with it, and I'm glad
> > someone popped up with the idea, because it had never occurred to me
> > that there WERE audiologists (of course there are, why wouldn't
> > there be?) until I read this post.
> 
> Yes, you should. But watch your wallet when he/she tries to sell you
> the hearing aids that pay her/him a BIG commission.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Will there be a K4

[Gary Smith]

I have K3 #202. It has all the upgrades 
possible to the K3 including the new PA, 
everything. It is covered on a shelf 
waiting for the day I need it if the K3s 
is being repaired. Same connections, a 3 
minute swap job, done.

I have my daily runner; K3s #10622 which 
has minus the 2M module, everything 
including the Sub RX, fully loaded with 
Elecraft bling. 

In a box is my father's Icom 7something 
pro, returned from repair and calibration 
and with 1 month use on it. I keep it for 
sentiment, I've never used it. I should 
let it go.

I have my old Corsair II which I still 
love but it's not quiet enough now that 
the K kine has spoiled me. I'll probably 
give it to a new ham or sell it, I don't 
need it any longer.

So I have come to love the Elecraft 
product line. I have decided if... there 
is a K4 and that is an upgrade to the K3s, 
I will get one and sell the K3. Sure I'll 
take a hit because the low SN# will scare 
some off but it'll sell at a fair price 
because it is perfect. That'll go toward 
the K4. If I took a good vacation that 
would set me back the cost of a new radio 
and I'd have nothing but smiles and photos 
to show for that multiple thousand dollar 
jaunt.

Put that Vacay money into a K4 and I'll 
have something to give me daily smiles and 
memories. Not much can beat that. So if 
there's an upgrade K4, I'm in. Promise.

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s/P3 with SDR Play, Win4K3 & Skimmer

[Gary Smith]

I can only speak to Win4K3Suite. 

There are two components to be installed 
by the user, the program and com0com, the 
latter is used to assign ports so 
Win4K3Suite can utilize the multi virtual 
port feature.

It is simple to do both but you must 
follow the directions which are laid out 
well.

There are many features of it that I don't 
use but to everything I use it for with 
the K3s & K3, it is perfect.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Hello all.
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to know if anybody is successfully running their K3/K3s
> with (specifically) an SDRPlay, Win4K3 software, and CW Skimmer, and
> if so, how did you hook it all together? 
> 
> 
> 
> My thought is to start reading up now, and then buy the hardware and
> software at Dayton this year and play with it over the summer before
> contest season starts.
> 
> I'm specifically curious about getting RF into the SDRPlay. Do you use
> the IF connection out from the P3, or something else? I have three
> antennas coming in to my K3s at the moment: the primary TX/RX feed on
> ANT-1, a K9AY receive antenna on RX IN, and an untuned vertical wire
> connected to the AUX antenna port, which is used only for diversity
> reception. The radio is connected via the USB interface exclusively,
> with no analog sound connections at the moment.
> 
> I don't plan to use this configuration for normal day-to-day
> operating. I'm quite happy using the K3 as a conventional radio and
> just using the P3 as a bandscope. This will be exclusively for CW
> contesting, and CW Dxpedition pileups.
> 
> One final question for those who have accomplished this successfully,
> which model SDRplay are you using, and is there a specific reason for
> recommending one version over another at this point? Thanks again!
> 
> 
> -
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility

[Gary Smith]

Rich,

Interesting food for thought. I just 
received my 1.8 for the sub RX and was 
wondering what others found most helpful 
seeing as there are the options to custom 
tailor the settings. At the same time, I 
really make great use of the narrow filter 
on CW and am always looking for something 
I can do with what I have that is better 
than I have been doing.

Thanks for your reply.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> There can be reasons to configure a roofing filter differently from
> its nominal bandwidth.
> 
> For example, I have a "250 Hz" filter. According to the filter plots
> on the Elecraft web site, the 6 dB bandwidth of this filter is
> actually closer to 375 Hz. I configured my filter to switch in at 350
> Hz, which makes it much more useful to me than it would be if I had
> configured it to switch in at 250 Hz.
> 
> If this filter is configured to switch in at 250 Hz in agreement with
> the label, then when you set your DSP bandwidth to 300 Hz or 350 Hz,
> you will be using the next wider filter in your receiver. Strong
> signals outside the DSP bandwidth but inside the wider  roofing
> filter's bandwidth can still have bad effects, whereas if the filter
> is configured to switch in at 350 Hz, you can take advantage of its
> ability to reduce those unwanted signals with relatively minor impact
> on signals within the DSP bandwidth.
> 
> Of course, if the bandwidth of the 250 Hz filter really was 250 Hz,
> configuring it to switch in at 350 Hz would render the 300 Hz and 350
> Hz settings of the DSP filter somewhat less useful, since the actual
> bandwidth of the filter combination would now be close to 250 Hz
> regardless of what the DSP control said.
> 
> There might be reasons to go in the other direction as well, i.e. to
> configure a filter to switch in only at a narrower bandwidth than the
> bandwidth marked on the filter. For example, if you had 500 Hz and
> 1000 Hz filters and often used a digital mode whose bandwidth was,
> say, 750 Hz, you could configure the 1000 Hz roofing filter to switch
> in only at 700 Hz and below. This would give you better filtering
> between 500 Hz and 700 Hz than without the 1000 Hz filter, while still
> permitting the 750 Hz mode signals to pass through at DSP settings of
> 750 Hz and above without being restricted by the roofing filter.
> 
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
> 
> 
> KA1J wrote:
> 
> Is there any advantage to setting the 1.8
> above, say as 2. in the utility.
> 
> Or to have the 200Hz filter engaged at say
> 250?
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[Elecraft] K3/K3s filter setting with the K3 Utility

[Gary Smith]

It seems as intuitive, the filter you use 
is the value you select in the K3 utility 
under filter configuration. I.e. a 1.8 
filter is set at 1.8 in the utility.

Considering there is DSP simultaneously 
occurring at the same time;

Is there any advantage to setting the 1.8 
above, say as 2. in the utility.

Or to have the 200Hz filter engaged at say 
250?

If so, what benefits might be seen by 
doing this?

Thanks,

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite ?

[Gary Smith]

I've been using it for a few years now and 
mostly for compatibility with WSJT-X and 
the virtual ports. It does much more but 
for my needs, it is stellar and I highly 
recommend it. 

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Are any of you using the Win4K3Suite  with the K-3?If so, does it
> work well?I'm also interested in interfacing this with a RSP2 SDR for
> the Panadaptor display.Tnx for any comments.Bob K4RLC
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[Elecraft] OT WTB 1.8 KHz & WTS 1 KHz filters

[Gary Smith]

Hi,

I now need one more 1.8 KHz filter for my 
K3s Sub Rx. 

I have one 1 KHz Elecraft/Inrad that is 
surplus to my needs.

If you have a 1.8 Elecraft/Inrad for sale 
or want to trade for my 1 KHz filter, or 
if you would like to buy my 1 KHz filter, 
please contact me off list.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J
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[Elecraft] OT: WTB 1.8 filters for K3/K3s

[Gary Smith]

I'm thinking I'd like to explore using the 
1.8 KHz filters in the K3s & Sub Rx. 

I have a pair of 1 KHz filters for trade 
or sale.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Biz practices

[Gary Smith]

Just my 2 pence though nobody asked for 
it, Elecraft is one of very few companies 
that define the word integrity, another 
such company is HI-Z antennas who also 
goes overboard to be helpful in whatsoever 
is needed. I know there are other 
deserving companies out there, but these 
two are to me in the ham world, at the 
pinnacle of integrity and respecting the 
customer's needs and point of view.

All electronic pieces of equipment are 
subject to breakdown, especially those 
dealing with RF. Elecraft gets the repair 
work done correctly, as fast as is 
possible and they are more than reasonable 
in their billing. Add that their tech help 
is stellar and you have a quality 
operation. 

With quality and service such as this, 
I'll be happily using their products till 
the end of my days.

I'm just sayin'

73 to all,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s can only transmit wsjt if the K3s codec is windows default.

[Gary Smith]

Perhaps the point of my original post has 
been missed.

The only way I could get RF out of the K3s 
was to assign the K3s codec as my default 
in the sound settings. If I did not do 
this in the windows sound control panel, 
the K3s would go into transmit mode with 
WSJT-x but zero output.

Doing this allowed computer sounds to be 
transmitted with WSJT-X, maybe with AFSK.

Yes, in the WSJT-X software I always had 
the K3s codec checked.

Until I made this change in the windows 
app volume and device properties page 2 
days ago, that was the only way I could 
transmit with WSJT-X.

I cannot be the only person with this 
issue. 

This is not a trivial issue, we all want 
our signals to be clean and for months I 
had no idea I was occasionally  
transmitting garbage with my K3s. I'm sure 
others here are doing the same.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> "Hope you check your windows setting, you might be surprised."
> 
> No surprises here.  I have never had my rig CODEC as the default sound
> playback device.  I don't have Windows 10 but, in every earlier
> version I have used, it is easy to ensure that the rig CODEC is not
> the default playback device.  Simply right click the speaker icon in
> the system tray and select playback devices.  You will see a new
> "Sound" window with all playback devices listed.  One will be shown as
> the default device.  Ensure the default device is not your rig CODEC. 
>  This action does not require WSJT-X, or any other application, to be
> running since the selection of the default sound device is not
> application specific.
> 
> If, after you right click the speaker icon, you select volume mixer
> you should then see "Device" on the left side of the mixer window. 
> Click the device menu and select the rig CODEC.  You will see all the
> apps that are connected to that CODEC as long as they are running and
> have recently produced a sound output.
> 
> The assignment of the rig CODEC to WSJT-X is done simply in the WSJT-X
>  file/settings/audio menu.   As with all digital mode applications,
> selection of the correct device is easier if the rig CODEC has been
> assigned a meaningful name.   Mine is called "TS-590 RX" and "TS-590
> TX".   The name can be changed by speaker icon right click,  playback
> devices, select the rig CODEC then properties, edit name in name
> field.
> 
> Perhaps someone would confirm that all these steps are also applicable
> in Win 10.
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s can only transmit wsjt if the K3s codec is windows default.

[Gary Smith]

Folks, this should be my final post here 
on this but I think the information 
applies to any of us who use the K3s Codec 
with WSJT-X, maybe AFSK too, I haven't 
researched that possibility.

A brief recap to the issue at hand: The 
only way I could get WSJT-X to get the K3S 
to transmit was if I selected the K3s 
codec as default in windows. Doing so 
transmitted computer/internet generated 
sounds along with the WSJT-X signal. - 
Doing the procedure below will resolve 
this issue. Thanks to Peter, VK4JD who 
does not use WSJT-X for pointing this 
obscure setting out to me.

How difficult my signal was, and maybe 
yours unknowingly to you, has to be to 
decode..

Peter's suggestion below is perfect. I 
wanted to find out the easiest way to 
demonstrate this windows "feature". Here 
is a URL that describes how to find this 
page in windows 10. Not sure about earlier 
versions of windows, I only have 10 now.

https://tinyurl.com/y7dc57vm

Now... Something I discovered: you must 
have WSJT-X running to see the option in 
this windows page!

When I went to the page, WSJT-X was not 
showing and then I realized I was not 
running it. I use Win4K3Suite so I started 
that and then started WSJT-X. Moments 
later the WSJT-X sound ap was showing. 
Here is what it looks like in win 10:

http://doctorgary.net/ap-vol-dev-pref.jpg

When Peter's suggestion below led me to 
this windows page, the WSJT-X output and 
input were the windows default output and 
input. I selected the USB codec and that 
is what immediately stopped the K3s from 
sending out superfluous audio with my WSJT 
signal.

To be sure, both the WSJT-X and audio from 
the computer were being sent out 
simultaneously. Not windows sounds, those 
have been off from day 1. I'm talking 
about any sound from any web page or audio 
ap that may be running without you hearing 
it. In this case that caused me issues 
with WSJT-X and the K3s, it was a youtube 
video that was playing & I didn't know it.

I am posting this information to the 
WSJT-X list but since it dealt with the 
K3s, this answer also belongs here. 
Perhaps it is the same with any external 
card you use, as in the K3 with external 
digital soundcard? 

Hope you check your windows setting, you 
might be surprised.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Peter,
> 
> Absolutely brilliant! I never have seen 
> this windows page or read about it, but it 
> absolutely did the trick. I now have an 
> alternate soundcard selected in windows 
> sound control panel and have WSJT-X 
> configured in App volume and device 
> preferences.
> 
> I have to experiment to be sure nothing 
> gets out sound-wise from the computer but 
> at first exposure, this looks to be dead 
> on.
> 
> How many others have not yet discovered 
> this!
> 
> 73!
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
> > G'day Gary,
> > 
> > This should work :
> > 
> >  Run WSJT-X
> > 
> >  Go to the system settings via the cog in the start menu.
> > 
> >  Click on "System (Display, sound, notifications")
> > 
> >  Click on "Sound"
> > 
> >  Scroll down to "Other sound options" and click on "App volume and
> > device preferences".
> > 
> >  Select WSJT-X from the list of displayed apps and select your USB
> > CODEC for both input and output.
> > 
> > Note that I don't use WSJT-X but that's how it's done for everything
> > else.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Peter VK4JD
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith
> > Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2019 1:53 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] K3s can only transmit wsjt if the K3s codec is
> > windows default.
> > 
> > Folks,
> > 
> > I posted this on the WSJT-X reflector but 
> > got no replies. Perhaps someone here has 
> > the answer.
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > Using Windows 10... Joy...
> > 
> > I have WSJT-X set up to use the K3s USB
> > Audio Codec, input & output. Both are
> > selected as Mono.
> > 
> > The codec is selected in the computer.
> > 
> > I have found no way to get the K3s to
> > transmit unless the K3s USB codec is set
> > to default device in the computer.
> > 
> > If I have another soundcard/option
> > selected in the computer, the K3s will
> > indeed present transmit mode as WSJT-X
> > signals it to do, but there is no RF
> > generated from the K3s. It's Lights on,
> > nobody home. WSJT works fine but also
> > transfers any computer sound to the K3s
> > during transmit.
> > 
> > If n

Re: [Elecraft] K3s can only transmit wsjt if the K3s codec is windows default.

[Gary Smith]

Thanks Bill,

I always turn off windows sounds, they 
bother me when I'm concentrating on 
something. This issue deals with the 
stereo/mono audio as from youtube or some 
web page with streaming music/sounds that 
happened to be running. I couldn't hear 
the music/talk/noise from the computer and 
that got transmitted when I would transmit 
with WSJT-X, maybe with AFSK as well. 

I always hear people's audio, words on 
WSJT, I must have been doing that too, I 
just couldn't hear it as I use a bluetooth 
dongle for listening to the computer & 
pull the dongle when I'm not listening to 
it.

I have a feeling this is a very common 
issue and very few people know about this 
windows setting which just made all the 
difference with WSJT-X, 20+ years of using 
windows and this was the first I saw that 
page.

Gary
KA1J

> From the volume mixer you can "Mute" Windows Sounds. This
> eliminates all those annoying notification squeals and squawks. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On Jan 19, 2019, at 1:37 AM, Gary Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > Peter,
> > 
> > Absolutely brilliant! I never have seen 
> > this windows page or read about it, but it 
> > absolutely did the trick. I now have an 
> > alternate soundcard selected in windows 
> > sound control panel and have WSJT-X 
> > configured in App volume and device 
> > preferences.
> > 
> > I have to experiment to be sure nothing 
> > gets out sound-wise from the computer but 
> > at first exposure, this looks to be dead 
> > on.
> > 
> > How many others have not yet discovered 
> > this!
> > 
> > 73!
> > 
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> > 
> > 
> >> G'day Gary,
> >> 
> >> This should work :
> >> 
> >> Run WSJT-X
> >> 
> >> Go to the system settings via the cog in the start menu.
> >> 
> >> Click on "System (Display, sound, notifications")
> >> 
> >> Click on "Sound"
> >> 
> >> Scroll down to "Other sound options" and click on "App volume and
> >> device preferences".
> >> 
> >> Select WSJT-X from the list of displayed apps and select your USB
> >> CODEC for both input and output.
> >> 
> >> Note that I don't use WSJT-X but that's how it's done for
> >> everything else.
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> Peter VK4JD
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> >> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith
> >> Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2019 1:53 PM To:
> >> Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3s can only transmit
> >> wsjt if the K3s codec is windows default.
> >> 
> >> Folks,
> >> 
> >> I posted this on the WSJT-X reflector but 
> >> got no replies. Perhaps someone here has 
> >> the answer.
> >> 
> >> ---
> >> 
> >> Using Windows 10... Joy...
> >> 
> >> I have WSJT-X set up to use the K3s USB
> >> Audio Codec, input & output. Both are
> >> selected as Mono.
> >> 
> >> The codec is selected in the computer.
> >> 
> >> I have found no way to get the K3s to
> >> transmit unless the K3s USB codec is set
> >> to default device in the computer.
> >> 
> >> If I have another soundcard/option
> >> selected in the computer, the K3s will
> >> indeed present transmit mode as WSJT-X
> >> signals it to do, but there is no RF
> >> generated from the K3s. It's Lights on,
> >> nobody home. WSJT works fine but also
> >> transfers any computer sound to the K3s
> >> during transmit.
> >> 
> >> If nothing is playing on the computer and
> >> the codec is selected as default, I have
> >> no trouble with anything WSJT-X related.
> >> This is how I have had to have it working
> >> for the last 10 months. However, I
> >> recently discovered a youtube was playing
> >> on another page and that audio was coming
> >> through with my WSJT transmission. This is
> >> unacceptable.
> >> 
> >> Bottom line seems to be, I must have the
> >> K3s USB codec selected as default in the
> >> windows sound control panel or I cannot
> >> transmit with WSJT-X. 
> >> 
> >> There must be another something I'm 
> >> missing but I can't see

Re: [Elecraft] K3s can only transmit wsjt if the K3s codec is windows default.

[Gary Smith]

Bob,

The K3s did go into transmit, there was no 
signal being generated.

Peter, VK4JD had the correct answer to 
this thing that has been eluding me. His 
reply here yesterday was the solution and 
involved a win 10 page I have never 
encountered before. It took some looking 
but I found the page in windows setup he 
was thinking of & sure enough, in windows 
10, there is an option for WSJT-X and 
sound. He said he doesn't use WSJT-X but 
he knew exactly what the problem was. 
Clever fellow.

FWIW, my WSJT-X configuration is good, 
it's a Windows thing...

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Are you saying the K3S does not go into the transmit mode, or are you
> saying there is no audio?
> 
>  From the K3S CONFIG menu you should have RS232 set to USB.  The K3S
> Menu should have MIC SEL set to Line IN.  Is anything plugged into
> the Line In on the back of the radio?   Unplug it if  so. The radio
> Data MD should be set to DATA A.
> 
> With the F2 Setup Menu of WSJT-X  the Radio pane: Data Bits as 8,
> Stop bit as 1 and Handshake as NONE.   PTT Method as CAT, Mode as
> Data/Pkt, Split operation as RIG.    On the Audio pane:  Soundcard
> both Input and Output should be USB Audio CODEC and Mono.
> 
> This is my configuration.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 1/18/2019 9:53 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > I posted this on the WSJT-X reflector but
> > got no replies. Perhaps someone here has
> > the answer.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Using Windows 10... Joy...
> >
> > I have WSJT-X set up to use the K3s USB
> > Audio Codec, input & output. Both are
> > selected as Mono.
> >
> > The codec is selected in the computer.
> >
> > I have found no way to get the K3s to
> > transmit unless the K3s USB codec is set
> > to default device in the computer.
> >
> > If I have another soundcard/option
> > selected in the computer, the K3s will
> > indeed present transmit mode as WSJT-X
> > signals it to do, but there is no RF
> > generated from the K3s. It's Lights on,
> > nobody home. WSJT works fine but also
> > transfers any computer sound to the K3s
> > during transmit.
> >
> > If nothing is playing on the computer and
> > the codec is selected as default, I have
> > no trouble with anything WSJT-X related.
> > This is how I have had to have it working
> > for the last 10 months. However, I
> > recently discovered a youtube was playing
> > on another page and that audio was coming
> > through with my WSJT transmission. This is
> > unacceptable.
> >
> > Bottom line seems to be, I must have the
> > K3s USB codec selected as default in the
> > windows sound control panel or I cannot
> > transmit with WSJT-X.
> >
> > There must be another something I'm
> > missing but I can't seem to find it.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s can only transmit wsjt if the K3s codec is windows default.

[Gary Smith]

Peter,

Absolutely brilliant! I never have seen 
this windows page or read about it, but it 
absolutely did the trick. I now have an 
alternate soundcard selected in windows 
sound control panel and have WSJT-X 
configured in App volume and device 
preferences.

I have to experiment to be sure nothing 
gets out sound-wise from the computer but 
at first exposure, this looks to be dead 
on.

How many others have not yet discovered 
this!

73!

Gary
KA1J

 
> G'day Gary,
> 
> This should work :
> 
>  Run WSJT-X
> 
>  Go to the system settings via the cog in the start menu.
> 
>  Click on "System (Display, sound, notifications")
> 
>  Click on "Sound"
> 
>  Scroll down to "Other sound options" and click on "App volume and
> device preferences".
> 
>  Select WSJT-X from the list of displayed apps and select your USB
> CODEC for both input and output.
> 
> Note that I don't use WSJT-X but that's how it's done for everything
> else.
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter VK4JD
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith
> Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2019 1:53 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3s can only transmit wsjt if the K3s codec is
> windows default.
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I posted this on the WSJT-X reflector but 
> got no replies. Perhaps someone here has 
> the answer.
> 
> ---
> 
> Using Windows 10... Joy...
> 
> I have WSJT-X set up to use the K3s USB
> Audio Codec, input & output. Both are
> selected as Mono.
> 
> The codec is selected in the computer.
> 
> I have found no way to get the K3s to
> transmit unless the K3s USB codec is set
> to default device in the computer.
> 
> If I have another soundcard/option
> selected in the computer, the K3s will
> indeed present transmit mode as WSJT-X
> signals it to do, but there is no RF
> generated from the K3s. It's Lights on,
> nobody home. WSJT works fine but also
> transfers any computer sound to the K3s
> during transmit.
> 
> If nothing is playing on the computer and
> the codec is selected as default, I have
> no trouble with anything WSJT-X related.
> This is how I have had to have it working
> for the last 10 months. However, I
> recently discovered a youtube was playing
> on another page and that audio was coming
> through with my WSJT transmission. This is
> unacceptable.
> 
> Bottom line seems to be, I must have the
> K3s USB codec selected as default in the
> windows sound control panel or I cannot
> transmit with WSJT-X. 
> 
> There must be another something I'm 
> missing but I can't seem to find it.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] K3s can only transmit wsjt if the K3s codec is windows default.

[Gary Smith]

Folks,

I posted this on the WSJT-X reflector but 
got no replies. Perhaps someone here has 
the answer.

---

Using Windows 10... Joy...

I have WSJT-X set up to use the K3s USB
Audio Codec, input & output. Both are
selected as Mono.

The codec is selected in the computer.

I have found no way to get the K3s to
transmit unless the K3s USB codec is set
to default device in the computer.

If I have another soundcard/option
selected in the computer, the K3s will
indeed present transmit mode as WSJT-X
signals it to do, but there is no RF
generated from the K3s. It's Lights on,
nobody home. WSJT works fine but also
transfers any computer sound to the K3s
during transmit.

If nothing is playing on the computer and
the codec is selected as default, I have
no trouble with anything WSJT-X related.
This is how I have had to have it working
for the last 10 months. However, I
recently discovered a youtube was playing
on another page and that audio was coming
through with my WSJT transmission. This is
unacceptable.

Bottom line seems to be, I must have the
K3s USB codec selected as default in the
windows sound control panel or I cannot
transmit with WSJT-X. 

There must be another something I'm 
missing but I can't seem to find it.

Any suggestions?

73,

Gary
KA1J




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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 & Drake TR7

[Gary Smith]

I hesitate to answer to this, it's been so 
long since I had a TR7 (My 2nd rig) and my 
memory of it is not clear.

Given this disclaimer, I believe you'll 
find an adjustable piece, two wafers with 
a rectangular key hole in the center part 
to turn it. Cap or resistance, I don't 
recall what it was, but it controlled the 
output and you could lower it way down or 
get more than the rated output with it (at 
the expense of the transistors if you 
pushed it too long).

I wish I could remember exactly where it 
was, but I believe it was on the heatsink 
or close to it at the back side of the 
rig. Might have been blue, I'm not sure, 
maybe it was accessible from the outside 
of the radio, from the bottom rear? I 
think I'd remember it if I saw the TR7 
again, the adjustment was in plain sight. 

I suspect if you backed it down you'll be 
fine with the output from the KPA-500.

For some time the TR7 was used for EME, 
the person who bought mine was modding it 
for that and perhaps in an EME group 
someone might have good knowledge of the 
TR7 and where this was exactly located.

73,

Gary
KA1J


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Re: [Elecraft] Sorta OT - assistive technology assistance needed

[Gary Smith]

Not the answer you are asking for but 
still maybe a valuable idea for your 
friend.

My mother was totally deaf and my father 
wanted to teach her code. What he did was 
disassemble & repurpose a speaker and made 
an arrangement that attached to her 
forearm, this connected to the audio 
output. The coil moved with the CW in the 
audio, that pressed against her skin and 
she was able to tactile sense the CW 
really well.

Maybe this will help you or someone else.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Good Day.
> 
> Background:
> 
> I am assisting a blind ham who also suffers some hearing loss.  I
> suggested using headphones to attenuate ambient environmental noise as
> he operates.  The rub is, he needs to hear both his receiver AND his
> computer (which provides audible feedback when logging contacts and
> performing other duties.)
> 
> Question:
> 
> Can anyone suggest a simple passive (or active) mixer circuit schema I
> can build for him to safely mix audio signals from his transceiver
> headphone jack with audio signals from his computer sound card
> headphone jack?
> 
> Discussion:
> 
> While there are multiple commercially produced simple and complex
> mixing products in the marketplace, I would prefer to build an
> inexpensive, small footprint solution we can easily incorporate in his
> station to minimize clutter and the number of cables, jacks, and
> controls -- he contends with plenty of that already.   I suppose one
> solution might be a simple Y-adapter cable, but that seems too easy
> and I wonder whether we should isolate the signals and/or grounds in
> some way?  (e.g., I do not wish to cause any "Pin-1" grounding
> issues, and etc.)
> 
> Any traction?   Can anyone point me to an appropriate circuit
> schematic or other resource?  I don 't mind doing homework, and while
> I enjoy building stuff and I am familiar with the basic concepts
> involved,  I could use a leg up on this project, especially to keep
> it simple and easy to build and implement. Please reply off list if
> this question is too far off topic, although I suspect there are many
> hams who might be interested in the result, besides similarly situated
> disabled operators.
> 
> Thank you -  James - K8JHR -
> ---
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] P3 Encoder button question

[Gary Smith]

I may have some wear on my encoder button 
in the P3. The encoder itself seems fine, 
when I rotate it, it performs perfectly. 
When I push on it, often the marker does 
not move or, it moves the frequency part 
way. If I hold the knob and apply a little 
downward pressure when pushing it usually 
works. This leads me to think the switch 
has an issue.

Because this happens often but not 
continuously, I don't think it has 
anything to do with the logic circuitry 
and the downward pressure usually does the 
trick. It seems mechanical in origin.

I thought I might spray Deoxit to help 
with the contact if build-up on it is the 
issue but I don't know how that might 
affect the encoder function. I should open 
the case and assure the solder connections 
are intact. 

Before contacting Elecraft for a new 
encoder, has anyone had this issue and 
resolved it?

Thanks & Happy New Year to us all,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 dB or 3?

[Gary Smith]

In 2015 I had Shingles of the facial nerve 
(Ramsay Hunt Syndrome) and it caused me to 
lose 100% of my hearing on the right. Some 
came back but I have a -85 dB loss in my 
right ear and what I do hear is not what 
you hear but attenuated. Noise of any kind 
makes it difficult to hear and I have a 
pretty much world class stereo that helps 
greatly in hearing music but...

Enter BOSE QC35 headphones...

They are absolutely a Godsend when it 
comes to hearing. I've been using Bose 
headphones for years but the noise 
cancelling ability with these are the best 
yet. For computer, cell phone & TV I use 
its Bluetooth but for the K3s I plug in 
and this new generation of QC from Bose 
allows them to be passive or with noise 
reduction.

As passive headphones they use no power 
and work just fine, they do cup the ear 
entirely and fit/act much like the ones I 
use with target practice.  When plugged 
in, Bluetooth is defeated and when you 
power them on, the background sound 
disappears. My old Alpha is 1' from my 
head & on my good ear, with the Heil & 
Sony headsets, the fan is competing with 
faint signals. With the noise cancelling 
turned on, the fan noise is non-existent. 
I think I might hear the very faintest 
motor noise but I can't swear to it. The 
fan noise is totally gone.

I don't think there is a microphone option 
when plugged in but when I use the 
headsets with the cell phone & I'm next to 
the amp, nobody I talk to can hear the fan 
so the noise cancelling truly works with 
the microphone as well.

I got these from Bose as my old QC15 
developed a problem and they don't repair 
out of production headsets but they give a 
generous price on a current set when you 
exchange your broken one. I even bought 
the YL a pair of the QC35 II for 
Christmas, they're that good. They have a 
30 day trial if bought from Bose. I will 
say the included plug is miserably short 
and I had to buy a longer one from Amazon 
but it's a hefty cable and was 
inexpensive.

I should add, when you turn on the noise 
cancelling & I'm listening to a faint CW 
signal, there is apparently zero loss of 
signal volume or quality, it's just that 
all the ambient sound and the sound like 
listening to a seashell you get with over 
the ear headphones just vanishes.

YMMV

73,

Gary
KA1J


> To add to what Don said,
> 
> Restaurant noise levels are a plague for me.  With my hearing loss the
> noise level just shoves everything to sound like noise with no
> intelligence detectable.
> 
> I note that some now have cc activated on TV's with sound turned down
> to keep background sound lowered.  That allows patrons to follow
> sports or news programs without everyone raising their voice to
> compete with the TV.  Background music is just noise if I want
> conversation with anyone.  Finer restaurants go to some lengths to
> produce the "quiet atmosphere" for fine dining.  The restaurants that
> cater to twenty-something crowd seem to relish in making it loud.
> 
> It really gets to me when they play loud music in the restrooms -ugh.
> 
> Running the ham radio in the car or truck is challenge because I need
> the volume too high for my wife's comfort.  Do not wear a headset as
> this might compromise my driving (ability to detect presence of other
> vehicle).  But then I try to operate in the "parked mode" as
> distracted driving is not wise.  Same for cellphone use while driving
> (illegal in some states).
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
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[Elecraft] Another preaching to the choir moment.

[Gary Smith]

Short & sweet...

I had issues with my K3s that required 
factory work. Elecraft went the extra mile 
to resolve them and were far more than 
fair in doing so. There are few companies 
that take care of their customers as well 
as Elecraft.

I have said this before, here, and I'll 
gladly say it again; As long as Elecraft 
is making radio equipment and following 
their historic work ethic, I will be a 
customer for life.

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] Bose QC35 headphones impedance

[Gary Smith]

Hi Frank,

Thanks, that was it. I appreciate the 
help. 

Now back to the 160 contest with better 
condx!

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Hi Gary,
> 
> Set your K3 AFGain parameter to Low.  It sounds like it's set to High
> 
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sat, 01 Dec 2018 23:28:26 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: [Elecraft] Bose QC35 headphones impedance
> 
> My QC15 headsets bit the dust and Bose 
> gave me a great price on a new one with 
> exchange. The QC15 had a modular plug with 
> an option for high/low impedance and it 
> allowed the headsets to work beautifully 
> with the K3/K3s This QC35 while much 
> better than the QC15, has no option to 
> change the value and the AF blasts 
> through. I cannot turn the volume barely 
> at all and it's too loud. A monitor 
> setting of 3 for CW is almost too loud.
> 
> I looked in the owners manual but didn't 
> see a configuration option to elect that 
> from the software. Have I missed the 
> obvious again?
> 
> Thanks  73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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[Elecraft] Bose QC35 headphones impedance

[Gary Smith]

My QC15 headsets bit the dust and Bose 
gave me a great price on a new one with 
exchange. The QC15 had a modular plug with 
an option for high/low impedance and it 
allowed the headsets to work beautifully 
with the K3/K3s This QC35 while much 
better than the QC15, has no option to 
change the value and the AF blasts 
through. I cannot turn the volume barely 
at all and it's too loud. A monitor 
setting of 3 for CW is almost too loud.

I looked in the owners manual but didn't 
see a configuration option to elect that 
from the software. Have I missed the 
obvious again?

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: TV RFI Question

[Gary Smith]

Jim,

Ditch the Plasmas and be sure they leave 
your neighborhood.

I've got one of those insanely oversize LG 
OLED TVs and it puts out zero RFI that I 
can see on the P3. I did a lot of testing 
during the free return period just to be 
sure I wasn't bringing a noise generator 
into the house, and it's excellent in all 
ways. Also, it uses so little power 
compared to a much smaller Vizio TV, The 
glass is cool to the touch and the 
processor compartment is slightly warm at 
most.

OLED can produce a lot of brightness and 
power consumption relates to brightness so 
how you set it up matters energy-wise, but 
your Plasmas are multiples of the power 
the OLED uses. One very nice thing with 
OLED is you see genuine black, no backlit 
shade of gray, it takes awhile to get used 
to seeing very accurate color and shading 
when watching in a darkened room, we don't 
see that with the other kinds of TV.

73,

Gary
KA1J



> We´ve got three plasma TVs in our home. One is a 9 year old Sony
> that is small (by today´s standards) and causes zero RFI on my K3.
> Another is a piece of $&$% Samsung that completely rips up 160, 80,
> and 40 meters. The third (our main TV) is a Panasonic Viera that up
> until tonight has not caused any RFI. But I guess the honeymoon is
> over, as 40 meters tonight was unusable while the XYL was watching one
> of her shows. 
> 
> So, if I can convince her to replace the Panasonic I´m wondering if
> folks here have had any RFI issues with the new OLED TVs? We´ve
> enjoyed the quality of the plasma TV´s but enough is enough.
> 
> Jim Bennett / W6JHB
> Folsom, CA
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[Elecraft] WTB: .1 TCO KTCXO3-1

[Gary Smith]

If you have a KTCXO3-1 .1 TXCO that's 
excess to your needs, please contact me 
offlist.

Thanks,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF issue? K3 - Resolved

[Gary Smith]

Folks,

FYI, there is a resolution to the issue. 

A history in short: I started having 
issues of localized frequency changes. I 
discovered REF CAL would only lock on a 
10MHz source if the source was cold and 
then only after I rebooted the K3. I tried 
two different sources with the same exact 
results. Once it locked on, I could not 
engage XREF OUT, when I left REF CAL and 
returned to it, the asterisk was solid, 
not flashing. Rebooting with a cold 10MHz 
source was the only way to get a lock.

After exchanging emails with support it at 
first appeared to be an issue with the 
K3EXREF board or connections but with the 
numerical value displayed in REF CAL, it 
was lower than expected and Elecraft 
support felt the TXCO in the K3 was 
suspect. 

With that, I had my old TXCO from when I 
exchanged it with the .1 TXCO, I replaced 
the failed .1 and WooHah, there is the 
always reliable K3 operating exactly as it 
should. Lock with REF CAL is working 
perfectly, the frequency is stable and it 
works fine with both 10MHz sources.

This revelation coming last night, it's 
too soon to tell but I think I am seeing 
less artifacts that looked like constant 
vertical lines with regular horizontal 
lines in the waterfall on the P3 SVGA. 
This was only at certain times and worse 
on specific frequencies. Perhaps some of 
the stuff I've been trying to track down 
and failing to do so is because of this 
failing TXCO?

Maybe someone with this future issue will 
find this thread and it'll help them, it's 
been a real work maker for me.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Ed,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I do need an 
> oscilloscope. The only frequency counter 
> at this QTH is this K3, my K3s is at the 
> factory for an issue with SSB. 
> 
> That said, there does appear to be a 10MHz 
> signal coming from the GPSDO. There's 
> enough bleed-through that when I tune to 
> 10MHz I can still pick up the ticks from 
> WWV, however removing power from the GPSDO 
> and the signal drops considerably. I 
> connected 10' of wire to the center 
> conductor of the SMA and the signal in the 
> K3 increased considerably and it was dead 
> on top of WWV. So I'm feeling it's putting 
> out a signal at 10MHV but the strength or 
> condition of the signal, I have no way to 
> tell.
> 
> Looking at the info on the K3EXREF, the 
> Tech MD is on, REF CAL is displayed and I 
> need to engage keypad #2 to switch between 
> the EXREF being in or out, I have it 
> switched in. No asterisk.
> 
> I have not been inside the radio since I 
> started using it a week ago and the 
> asterisk was flashing at that time. I 
> saved the current configuration and loaded 
> the configuration that was good the last 
> time I used the radio and that didn't 
> help. I can't imagine the cable in the 
> radio failed without any mechanical 
> action. I'll have to take a look and see 
> if anything has become somehow dislodged 
> though it's been just sitting on the 
> table.
> 
> I was hoping it was something in a setting 
> that might have been altered and it seems 
> like that's not it. Thanks again for the 
> assistance.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Gary,
> > 
> > Well first thing I would check is whether 10-MHz is present at the
> > K3 EXREF sma jack.  If you have a freq counter check for correct
> > freq. No counter then use a radio that can tune 10-MHz for
> > presence of signal on correct freq.
> > 
> > Check for adequate reference level (I run 10mw which is more than
> > adequate; probably will run with 3mw to 5mw).  If you have no
> > milliwatt meter then use an oscilloscope to measure RF voltage. 
> > Pav = Vrms^2/R  or Vrms = 0.3535*Vp-p*probe multiplier.
> > 
> > From: http://www.ab4oj.com/test/pwrmeas.html
> > Pav = 10*10^-3 = 0.01 w , Vrms = sqrt(Pav*R) = 0.707v, Vp-p =
> > 2,.828*Vrms = 2v
> > 
> > If you are using a 10x probe Vp-p = 0.2v; Be sure to measure
> > voltage across 50-ohm load connected to the REF input.
> > 
> > If this is low or nonexistent try a different cable from the
> > GPSDO.  Also check 10-MHz output at the GPSDO.
> > 
> > My guess either you have no 10-MHz ref signal or its off 
> > frequency.  If that is good then recheck configuration to enable
> > EXREF.  Still bad: then check internal coax from EXREF connector
> > to syn  board.
> > 
> > 73, Ed - KL7UW
> >http://www.kl7uw.com
> > Dubus-NA Business mail:
> >dubus...@gmail.com 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer support

[Gary Smith]

Nice! 

Elecraft support is legendary. It's always 
a gift to find customer service that 
cares.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Small things bring much fun. Nice Elecraft Customer Support! Got the
> RF/SQL knob cracked on my K3. Wrote to Elecraft parts, asked if a
> replacement available. No problem, we will send it to you right away,
> they said. Voila, here it is , a small package containing 2
> replacement sets for 2 knobs! It is interesting to note, that the
> knobs are quite improved in some 10 years I own the K3 - the new knob
> turned to be reinforced with metal. Cool! Linas LY2H

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - TX EQ settings not remembered.

[Gary Smith]

Folks,

As several mentioned, Win4K3 might be the 
answer behind this issue. The problem was 
unwittingly caused on my end, I never set 
the Mic EQ in Win4K3, I really was only 
using it for the ability to interface WSJT 
along with all my other programs.

I set the TX EQ values in Win4K3 to match 
those I set in the K3 and set that as 
default. Thus far I have not had the issue 
of my Tx settings being changed.

Until things prove different, I will 
consider this issue closed. 

Thank you all for the help, I would have 
not guessed at this as the issue.

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - TX EQ settings not remembered.

[Gary Smith]

Don,

I'll give your suggestion a try & see how 
that does.

I do use Win4K3, I need it to use WSJT as 
WSJT doesn't like to share ports. I used 
to use LP-Bridge which let me 
simultaneously run all my software 
flawlessly, till WSJT... and I fast 
discovered it would not play nice unless 
WSJT had sole communication with my 
K3/K3s. 

With Win4K3 I can use all the software 
simultaneously including WSJT, logging 
program, N1MM & MMTTY without having to 
shut all the other software down every 
time I want to change modes or software.

If it wasn't for WSJT making this issue, 
it would be simple to just keep doing what 
I was doing with LP-Bridge. As I do use 
MSK144 & some FT8 and want to keep my 
logging program running, I need to keep 
using Win4K3.

Tom wrote a clever bit of software, 
perhaps there is a way to tell it not to 
change EQ settings, I'll have to check 
that too.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J





> Gary,
> 
> Are you using any software to control the K3?
> I have just been informed that Win4K3 will often change the EQ
> settings.
> 
> Remove the USB or RS-232 connection and try it with only the K3, then
> set the SSB TX EQ.  Check later to see if it has changed.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 11/2/2018 3:29 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > Hi Don,
> > 
> > No, I set them for SSB and at a later time
> > the TX EQ is flat and I have to change it
> > back to the settings to fit my mic. I
> > don't use AM except to listen to broadcast
> > stations & listen to the nature of RFI.
> > 
> 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - TX EQ settings not remembered.

[Gary Smith]

Hi Don,

No, I set them for SSB and at a later time 
the TX EQ is flat and I have to change it 
back to the settings to fit my mic. I 
don't use AM except to listen to broadcast 
stations & listen to the nature of RFI. 

It was when in AM I was listening to RFI 
that I thought to check the TX EQ settings 
and found them different than I had made 
them. When I thought to see if they were 
like that in SSB again, I found the values 
there all 0. I then checked different 
bands and none of them had my saved TX EQ 
on SSB.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Gary,
> 
> The EQ settings are per-mode.
> If you set them for SSB mode and then go to AM mode, you will find
> them set flat.
> 
> Is that possibly the problem?
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 11/2/2018 1:31 PM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > I seem to have an issue with the K3 memory
> > settings for the microphone. I changed the
> > TX EQ to match settings and now when I
> > check, the TX EQ is back to flat again.
> > This has been happening since I set the
> > values. I've had to restore the values I
> > know them by heart and can do it quickly.
> > Still, I don't know when they get lost so
> > I always have to keep checking to be sure
> > they are still active.
> > 
> 



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[Elecraft] K3 - TX EQ settings not remembered.

[Gary Smith]

I seem to have an issue with the K3 memory 
settings for the microphone. I changed the 
TX EQ to match settings and now when I 
check, the TX EQ is back to flat again. 
This has been happening since I set the 
values. I've had to restore the values I 
know them by heart and can do it quickly. 
Still, I don't know when they get lost so 
I always have to keep checking to be sure 
they are still active.

Just now, when I checked the different 
modes I find AM mic settings modified in 
the TX EQ but not with the same values as 
I used. I set the TX EQ for use with SSB 
and the MH4, I only found the AM settings 
were other than "0" when listening to some 
power line RFI on AM & that AM setting was 
still on when I happened to check the TX 
EQ settings. All the other mic settings 
for SSB were back to default 0.

Having had to reset the mic settings 
frequently, last night I made the 
settings, turned off the K3, restarted & 
the settings were still intact. This next 
day, they are now lost again.

To make the settings I enter the main 
config. Tap the needed # to get each 
individual audio band, I use VFO A to 
select the desired value, tap config when 
done to exit and that's all I do. What am 
I missing to save this to the K3's 
non-volatile memory?

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Dry air static

[Gary Smith]

8-9 years back I made a beverage system, 
it went over a marsh. One beverage was 
800+' long & the other around 500', I had 
the proper lengths at the time. I ran PVC 
piping with a "T" at the top to run the 
wire through to keep deer from hitting it 
and to keep it off the Phragmites (swamp 
reeds) below.

It was the worst antenna I have ever tried 
to listen on. The dry reeds below rustling 
in the wind caused so much static that the 
noise level from it was more than all but 
a handful of local signals. Took me weeks 
to install and fight through the jungle of 
reeds and I ended up taking them down 
after a couple weeks of frustration. I 
worked no DX with those Beverages. Sans 
static from the reeds, they would have 
been awesome.

73,

Gary
KA1J

 
> Snow static as well during blizzards do wonders to light up a neon
> bulb. I used to put one between my long-wire and ground, even wind
> when it would get a good swing would do the same thing
> 
> Fred
> VE3FAL
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Fred VE3FAL/CIW649
> 
> 
> > On Oct 31, 2018, at 19:13, Rose  wrote:
> > 
> > Fred,
> > 
> > I recall the output capacitor of the pi-net capacitor in my HT-17
> > rythmatically snapping in response to the charged particles of dust
> > in the dry Oklahoma air building up on the long wire antenna. (;-)
> > 
> > 73 !
> > 
> > K0PP
> > kengk...@gmail.com
> > 
> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 16:42 Fred Jensen  >> 
> >> Hmmm ... There seem to be different flavors of static.  My
> >> reference was to what is often called "precipitation static" [rain,
> >> snow, maybe hail] and which can sometimes also be caused by wind
> >> blowing sand/dust past the antenna.  It sounds like bacon frying in
> >> the receiver.  Each drop or snowflake acquires a minuscule charge
> >> falling or blowing which discharges into the antenna on contact. 
> >> The typical semiconductor devices in radio front ends these days
> >> exhibit a nearly infinite impedance to "ground" and a tiny
> >> capacitance.  The constant little pulses from the static charge
> >> that capacitance with essentially no discharge path.  That's what
> >> fried the 1st 760 II and then, predictably, the second one.
> >> 
> >> There is also the combined "static" caused by distant
> >> thunderstorms.
> >> 
> >> INT QRN: "Are you troubled by static"
> >> QRN: "I am troubled by static"
> >> 
> >> which is different than "static" caused by corona or leakage on a
> >> high voltage power transmission line.
> >> 
> >> 73,
> >> 
> >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> >> Sparks NV DM09dn
> >> Washoe County
> >> 
> >> PS:  For those about to tell me "nearly infinite" is a meaningless
> >> term, save the BW.  I know, I hold a math degree.  Just using a
> >> little editorial license.
> >> 
> >>> On 10/31/2018 3:10 PM, ab2tc wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> It's a dead short circuit for DC and low frequencies thanks to the
> >>> SWR bridge (it has a voltage transformer directly across the
> >>> antenna
> >> terminals).
> >>> There seems to be different opinions on what is meant by "static".
> >>> To me
> >> it
> >>> means a slowly varying DC voltage caused by static buildup in the
> >>> clouds during or before thunderstorms. The K3(S) is perfectly
> >>> protected against these. Some people include the transients that
> >>> are caused by actual lightning strikes nearby in the definition of
> >>> "static". The K3(S) is not protected against these as they have
> >>> very strong high frequency content.
> >> For
> >>> these extra protection is needed as discussed several places in
> >>> this
> >> thread.
> >>> I have a number of Alpha-Delta switches in my antenna system and
> >>> they
> >> have
> >>> gas discharge tubes, but frankly I have no idea how effective they
> >>> are.
> >>> 
> >>> AB2TC - Knut
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> wayne burdick wrote
> > On Oct 30, 2018, at 12:50 PM, Fred Jensen 
>  k6dgw@
>   wrote:
> > Does my K3 have a static bleed across the antenna terminal(s)?
>  Yes.
>  
>  Wayne
>  N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] Avoiding costly lightning damage to your radios gear

[Gary Smith]

Apologies if this has been suggested 
already, I've got too many irons in the 
fire and might have missed/forgotten if 
this was earlier said; I no longer use a 
wired router, all my computers are 
wireless so there is no physical ethernet 
connection to any computer. 

I use the Netgear A6210 USB wireless Rx/Tx 
dongle and it is fast, very fast. Ethernet 
directly connected I get 300 Mbps download 
from the cable. With the Netgear dongle, I 
also get 300 Mbps. I lose nothing and 
eliminate that lightning path.

As to the cable itself coming to the 
house, I have replaced the cable company's 
grounded F81 Barrel Connector between the 
drop line and the house with a 75 ohm 
grounded surge protector bought at 
DXEngineering, I use them on my two HI-Z 
RX arrays as well.

After taking a hit to my just out of 
warranty, McIntosh tube preamp's USB this 
year, (forcing me to either pay big $ in 
repair or go with Toslink, I chose the 
glass toslink. (For audio only, the 
Toslink is excellent but with this system 
Toslink only offers one way communication 
from the computer to the preamp and some 
home entertainment utilizes two way 
communication). Fortunately, my needs 
don't require this.

Those 75 ohm cable lines must be 
protected, just like our communications 
coax.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> very good suggestions Wayne. I work in the Communications field and
> have for 40 years. I have seen massive amounts of lightning damage,
> regardless of grounding , protection, etc etc. If you take a direct
> hit.. something is going to fry and that´s it.
> 
> I unplug antennas, power cords AND Ethernet Cables to all computers in
> my ham shack. I must confess however, I have not disconnected the USB
> and RS232 lines. I sort of figure if the power cord and ethernet
> cables to my computer are disconnected, the path for the power surge
> is eliminated. BUT.. guess it would be better to be sure. And btw, yes
> my computers are all grounded very well.
> 
> thanks for the heads up
> 
> Ronnie W5SUM
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 10:08 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Cc: k...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] Avoiding costly lightning damage to your radios
> gear
> 
> Every year, especially in summer, our techs see radios come in that
> have been damaged by lightning, despite the radio's protective
> circuitry. You can take steps to reduce your own risk.
> 
> 1. Many of us remember to disconnect antennas when lightning is
> anticipated. But in our experience, the most common source of damage,
> by far, is from an attached computer. Computers themselves often fail
> due to lightning strikes. They can also act as conduits for surges to
> other gear. Just to emphasize this point: Customers often say "I
> disconnected everything but the USB cable to the computer...," which
> left the interface to their radio exposed.
> 
> Note: Only in rare cases have we seen surge damage via other I/O ports
> (accessory jack, paddle/keyer jacks, PTT IN, KEY OUT, and DC). USB and
> RS232 ports are the most susceptible.
> 
> 2. Some stations have an ad-hoc ground system and little or no ESD or
> surge protection. If you haven't already taken protective measures, we
> strongly recommend reading this article, which goes into some detail
> regarding how lightning finds its way in:
> 
>http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QST/This%20Month%20in%20QST/June2017
>/Chusid-Morgan.pdf
> 
> At the very least, be sure your PC and other gear share a short,
> heavy, common ground.
> 
> 3. As for protecting your PC, here's a good starting point:
> 
> https://www.wikihow.com/Protect-a-PC-in-a-Thunderstorm
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Retiring my MK-II

[Gary Smith]

> I know I'm going to lose two things: The Winkeyer, and true FSK RTTY.

# Perhaps not, I use the marvelous 
Win4K3Suite which with com0com gives me 
com ports aplenty to use MMTTY, N1MM, 
WSJT-X and Logic 9 all running at the same 
time. I do need to use winkey with N1MM in 
CW if I want to use the keyboard to send. 

I check off the Winkey box in the N1MM 
setup and use the USB winkey. There are 
two connections to the WinkeyUSB box; one 
goes to the key and the other USB to the 
computer, that's it and the CW transmit 
functions work perfectly.

I'm assuming you don't have the USB 
version. maybe there's a mod to add USB to 
your unit?

With RTTY, I use N1MM and run the MMTTY 
digital window with the K3 set to AFSK A 
and it works beautifully. When not using 
RTTY I set the radio to DATA A for WSJT-X

Flawless.

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] Possible K3s TX failure - distorted audio

[Gary Smith]

Peter,

I had that issue with the K3s, same kind 
of issue. I'd sent it in maybe 3 months 
ago for some warranty work & work on the 
PA I believe it was, but hadn't used the 
SSB for the same reasons as you. I heard 
no issue in the headphones listening to 
Monitor but got many reports of a terrible 
signal. I bought a HM4 mic thinking that 
was the issue but the new mic did no 
better.

I ran the backup K3 and got excellent 
reports with the KM4 mic so knew the issue 
was in the K3s. It's in California, in 
Queue right now.

Your issue may be different.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Hi all.
> Early into CQWW this weekend I was getting reports of extremely
> distorted audio from my K3s. Being mostly a CW (and 6m FT8) operator I
> wasn't sure what was going on. I figured it was RF, but it was
> happening at all power levels, from QRP to 100W, and QRO with my
> KPA-1500. Same (bad) audio, just stronger/weaker signals. All bands
> were equally bad.
> 
> I ended up going from the radio directly to the tower, physically
> bypassing the amp and tuner, and only running low power, with the same
> result. It sounded more like distorted audio than RF ingress.
> 
> Some troubleshooting by Dave, WO2X, who is a Flex owner: He remoted in
> to his Flex a few miles away and noticed my garbled signal was
> absolutely dirty and wide, despite low mic gain and little or no
> compression. The audio sounded clean through the monitor, so it wasn't
> the audio chain. He's speculating I may have a blown FET in the PA
> stage. 
> 
> We put in a Flex 6500 temporarily and it seems to be running fine.
> Wondering if anybody here has had experience with this, and if so,
> what are my next steps?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> -
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
> 
> K3s S/N 10023
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF issue? K3

[Gary Smith]

The issue seems to be within the K3, 
likely the K3EXREF board? I just tried a 
different GPSDO for the 10MHz reference, a 
Trimble Thunderbolt. When I first 
connected the Thunderbolt I did get a 
rapid flashing asterisk.

Satisfied I went on to use the K3. On a 
hunch I went back to REF CAL and 
discovered the asterisk was now solid and 
not flashing. I restarted the radio and no 
asterisk in REF CAL. Neither GPSDO elicits 
a flashing asterisk but both are putting 
out a 10MHZ signal & the Thunderbolt for a 
short time, worked.

Seeing as two different oscillators are 
not being recognized by the K3, I have to 
assume it is the K3EXREF board that is of 
issue. Can't be the .1 TXCO or the radio 
would fail.

I'll have to contact Elecraft to see if 
it's worth sending the board in for 
repair.

Back to the contest.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Ed,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I do need an 
> oscilloscope. The only frequency counter 
> at this QTH is this K3, my K3s is at the 
> factory for an issue with SSB. 
> 
> That said, there does appear to be a 10MHz 
> signal coming from the GPSDO. There's 
> enough bleed-through that when I tune to 
> 10MHz I can still pick up the ticks from 
> WWV, however removing power from the GPSDO 
> and the signal drops considerably. I 
> connected 10' of wire to the center 
> conductor of the SMA and the signal in the 
> K3 increased considerably and it was dead 
> on top of WWV. So I'm feeling it's putting 
> out a signal at 10MHV but the strength or 
> condition of the signal, I have no way to 
> tell.
> 
> Looking at the info on the K3EXREF, the 
> Tech MD is on, REF CAL is displayed and I 
> need to engage keypad #2 to switch between 
> the EXREF being in or out, I have it 
> switched in. No asterisk.
> 
> I have not been inside the radio since I 
> started using it a week ago and the 
> asterisk was flashing at that time. I 
> saved the current configuration and loaded 
> the configuration that was good the last 
> time I used the radio and that didn't 
> help. I can't imagine the cable in the 
> radio failed without any mechanical 
> action. I'll have to take a look and see 
> if anything has become somehow dislodged 
> though it's been just sitting on the 
> table.
> 
> I was hoping it was something in a setting 
> that might have been altered and it seems 
> like that's not it. Thanks again for the 
> assistance.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Gary,
> > 
> > Well first thing I would check is whether 10-MHz is present at the
> > K3 EXREF sma jack.  If you have a freq counter check for correct
> > freq. No counter then use a radio that can tune 10-MHz for presence
> > of signal on correct freq.
> > 
> > Check for adequate reference level (I run 10mw which is more than
> > adequate; probably will run with 3mw to 5mw).  If you have no
> > milliwatt meter then use an oscilloscope to measure RF voltage.  Pav
> > = Vrms^2/R  or Vrms = 0.3535*Vp-p*probe multiplier.
> > 
> > From: http://www.ab4oj.com/test/pwrmeas.html
> > Pav = 10*10^-3 = 0.01 w , Vrms = sqrt(Pav*R) = 0.707v, Vp-p =
> > 2,.828*Vrms = 2v
> > 
> > If you are using a 10x probe Vp-p = 0.2v; Be sure to measure voltage
> > across 50-ohm load connected to the REF input.
> > 
> > If this is low or nonexistent try a different cable from the 
> > GPSDO.  Also check 10-MHz output at the GPSDO.
> > 
> > My guess either you have no 10-MHz ref signal or its off 
> > frequency.  If that is good then recheck configuration to enable
> > EXREF.  Still bad: then check internal coax from EXREF connector to
> > syn  board.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3EXREF issue? K3

[Gary Smith]

Ed,

Thanks for the reply. I do need an 
oscilloscope. The only frequency counter 
at this QTH is this K3, my K3s is at the 
factory for an issue with SSB. 

That said, there does appear to be a 10MHz 
signal coming from the GPSDO. There's 
enough bleed-through that when I tune to 
10MHz I can still pick up the ticks from 
WWV, however removing power from the GPSDO 
and the signal drops considerably. I 
connected 10' of wire to the center 
conductor of the SMA and the signal in the 
K3 increased considerably and it was dead 
on top of WWV. So I'm feeling it's putting 
out a signal at 10MHV but the strength or 
condition of the signal, I have no way to 
tell.

Looking at the info on the K3EXREF, the 
Tech MD is on, REF CAL is displayed and I 
need to engage keypad #2 to switch between 
the EXREF being in or out, I have it 
switched in. No asterisk.

I have not been inside the radio since I 
started using it a week ago and the 
asterisk was flashing at that time. I 
saved the current configuration and loaded 
the configuration that was good the last 
time I used the radio and that didn't 
help. I can't imagine the cable in the 
radio failed without any mechanical 
action. I'll have to take a look and see 
if anything has become somehow dislodged 
though it's been just sitting on the 
table.

I was hoping it was something in a setting 
that might have been altered and it seems 
like that's not it. Thanks again for the 
assistance.

73,

Gary
KA1J




> Gary,
> 
> Well first thing I would check is whether 10-MHz is present at the K3
> EXREF sma jack.  If you have a freq counter check for correct freq. 
> No counter then use a radio that can tune 10-MHz for presence of
> signal on correct freq.
> 
> Check for adequate reference level (I run 10mw which is more than
> adequate; probably will run with 3mw to 5mw).  If you have no
> milliwatt meter then use an oscilloscope to measure RF voltage.  Pav =
> Vrms^2/R  or Vrms = 0.3535*Vp-p*probe multiplier.
> 
> From: http://www.ab4oj.com/test/pwrmeas.html
> Pav = 10*10^-3 = 0.01 w , Vrms = sqrt(Pav*R) = 0.707v, Vp-p =
> 2,.828*Vrms = 2v
> 
> If you are using a 10x probe Vp-p = 0.2v; Be sure to measure voltage
> across 50-ohm load connected to the REF input.
> 
> If this is low or nonexistent try a different cable from the 
> GPSDO.  Also check 10-MHz output at the GPSDO.
> 
> My guess either you have no 10-MHz ref signal or its off 
> frequency.  If that is good then recheck configuration to enable
> EXREF.  Still bad: then check internal coax from EXREF connector to
> syn  board.
> 
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[Elecraft] K3EXREF issue? K3

[Gary Smith]

I noticed CW stations were a bit off from 
the P3 and thought I needed to 
re-calibrate the P3 again. I did so and 
still encountered issues. I have the 
K3EXREF installed and it has been working 
fine for some time now with the GPSDO 10 
MHz source.

On a hunch I looked at the K3 REF CAL 
results and the asterisk is not flashing. 
I rebooted the GPSDO and the K3 but no 
asterisk. I checked the cables and all are 
intact. I pressed the #2 button for XREF 
IN & no change, same if I tap it again for 
XREFOUT.

It's either the GPSDO failed, the K3EXREF 
board has failed or something else.

Any suggestions?

73,

Gary
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Re: [Elecraft] Confessions of grounding

[Gary Smith]

I too have paid attention to Jim, K9YC's 
advice. Nobody knows it all but he's 
proven to know enough to be an authority 
on the subject so I listen to what he has 
to say.

To that end, I have put in a lot of effort 
to have the Antennas, roof tripod and 
breaker box tied together with #4 solid 
copper wire. Antennas & Rx antennas are 
connected via Polyphaser to the 8' ground 
rod outside the shack.

The #4 ground wire snakes in under the 
door jamb and terminates on a piece of 
flat stock 6" long. I drilled 8 1/4" holes 
in that and have SS 1/4" bolts nutted down 
tight and use the 8 bolts as anchor points 
for the equipment. 

I have #6 insulated copper wire attached 
to the K3, P3, Alpha amp, 6M amp, NCC-2 
and Green Heron Controller. I yet need to 
ground the computer, antenna switch, HI-Z 
controllers and the Iota DLS-55 power 
supply. I also need to find the best way 
to ground the control wires to the rotor, 
the HI-Z cables and the remote coax 
switch.

Braid is much easier to use but since 
things don't get moved much, I bent the 
copper wire to fit the device to the table 
and being ground wire, I like the idea of 
solid wire & I wanted shielded so it 
doesn't inadvertently touch improperly 
down the line and create a ground loop. I 
could have used coax as ground but it 
wouldn't bend well and would always be a 
PITA to deal with.

One thing for sure, I like how consistent 
things seem to be when everything is 
grounded. More, I feel much safer now.

73,

Gary, KA1J

> Hi Lee,
> 
> When I got my K3 I rebuilt my shack from teh ground up, starting with
> the ground, with an eye to reduction of RFI.  I took a lot of Jim's,
> suggestions, and I lost about 2 S units of noise.  That process is
> detailed here:
> 
> https://www.nk7z.net/rebuilding-the-shack/
> 
> 73s and thanks,
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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Gary Smith]

Your suggestion of my listening to me 
transmitting into a dummy on another radio 
was a good idea. However, I pulled my 
backup K3 out of its box & replaced the 
K3s with it. It's Serial #202 but it is 
updated to the final K3 specs and has most 
of the K3s upgrades so I just switched one 
for the other. I matched the config from 
the K3s to the K3 so they are set up the 
same.

Zero issues with the K3, all reports say 
the audio is excellent with no hint of 
RFI. Seems like I have a problem with the 
K3s. Unfortunate in that it was just 
returned from repair this last August but 
things happen. 

Thank you all for the replies, great ideas 
and I set the TX EQ to the settings Joe, 
W4TV, provided for this mic. The audio 
reports have been excellent so that helped 
greatly.

I'll get a RMA and send it out tomorrow.

Thanks & 73,

Gary
KA1J


> If you are using the MH4 Elecraft mic plugged into the front panel.
> Set mic to "FpL -bias". Set EQ to flat. Set Cmp to zero and adjust
> micgain for 4-5 bars ALC.  Now adjust Cmp to provide about 10dB and
> get on the air and get assistance from someone who knows your voice. 
> 
> If you´re having intermittent issues check ALL connections. If you
> have Monitor on keep it low or it will get into the mic and give you
> grief. 
> 
> Better, use another radio receiver to listen to yourself transmitting
> into a dummy load. Even on of the many SDR Dongle type will work
> great. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On Oct 10, 2018, at 9:45 PM, Gary Smith  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks, it's set at 00.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> > 
> >> check MENU CONFIG TX GATE   in the tech menu  if set to high it
> >> will do that
> >> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Gary Smith]

Thanks, it's set at 00.

73,

Gary
KA1J

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Re: [Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Gary Smith]

Folks,

Thank you for all the replies regarding 
the clipping and a thank you for the 
replies regarding proper setting for the 
Mic. That's just what I was looking for.

Unfortunately my transmit issues remain. 
I'm beginning to think there is perhaps 
something wrong with the radio. I was on 
40M today, checking out the results on my 
grounding efforts to see if that made a 
difference. Many came on to tell me I 
indeed still have a problem. One person 
said the audio effect gave them 
"goosebumps" so there's something definite 
going on.

One common thread was my signal seems to 
be cutting in & out. Although I don't hear 
it in the headphones, it must be rendered 
in a later stage. A few said it sounded 
like RFI. I'm stumped... However, when 
following Don's suggestions on adjusting 
the ALC level and then compression I 
noticed something unusual & I think, not 
right.

When I have the headset on, monitor on a 
high volume setting & I key the mic, I 
hear a very clear and loud low 
reproduction of the ambient noise in the 
room, almost like a low frequency hearing 
aid. The moment I adjust either the mic or 
compression, that character completely 
stops and the background sound in the 
headphones becomes silent. It is exactly 
to me, like hearing a rumbling background 
noise with Bose QC-15 headsets and then 
flipping the power on and hearing the 
background drop out to be replaced with 
ambient silence.

I've tried this multiple times and it is 
always the same, it's as if turning 
compression or MIC engages some noise 
cancelling from the K3s. My voice changes 
from somewhat bassy albeit clear, effect 
like talking close into a condenser mic, 
to the brighter, non bassy settings I have 
adjusted the TX EQ to be.

Does this sound familiar? If so, what 
might I look at?

Thanks again,

Gary
KA1J
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[Elecraft] Voice is clipped K3s

[Gary Smith]

My 30 year old heil element finally bit 
the dust. I bought an Elecraft MH4 
hand-held mic and am trying to get it 
adjusted.

I checked in with a local net and was told 
there is a kind of clipping on my words, 
like the ends of some word were being cut 
off. Another report said it sounded more 
like there was an artificial sound 
in-between the syllables, that it wasn't 
on the peaks but noted in the the troughs, 
perhaps a bit of clicking in there.

I don't hear any difficulties with the 
monitor, everything sounds like normal 
words with no distortion. I'm not using 
VOX and have no idea what I might try 
looking at to resolve this. 

As to the equalizing of the MH4, is there 
a set of values with the 8 bands to give 
it more of a character of a Heil HC4 
element or something well suited for DX?

Any suggestions on the clipping & Mic TX 
EQ & what I might try doing to resolve 
this?

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft's attention to detail

[Gary Smith]

Well said.

I own a K3s and also a K3. The K3 was to 
go to a friend who wanted me to set it up 
for him. He didn't like the low serial so 
I gave him the K3 I built instead and I 
kept the K3, it is my back-up rig and if I 
unplug the K3s, I plug everything into the 
K3 exactly the same way, same cords, same 
connections to the P3, same everything. 

Point is this K3 is serial # 202 and it 
has every user and factory upgrade and 
update ever done for the K3 except for it 
does not have the new tuner with the 
bypass relay and I haven't done the KPOD 
mod. Everything else it is has is an 
upgrade making it equal to the K3s. I 
trust that old 10 year old K3 every bit as 
much as I trust this new K3s.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> I've owned my K3 for going on 8 years.  Over that time I have added
> various modules, KAT3, module for P3 support, KSYN3A, and now the most
> ambitious project of them all, last night I added the KRX3 and KBPF3. 
> I had ordered this last upgrade back in November and it sat in the box
> until a week ago thispast Thursday afternoon.
> 
> Not only was the fitment of the new parts with each other as near
> perfection as it gets, so was the fitment of the parts ordered last
> year with a radio ordered over seven years before.  Each upgrade has
> fit perfectly and worked without issue out of the box.  My hat's off
> to the fine folks at Elecraft who not only designed such a high
> performing radio but also for being able to achieve the second goal of
> a kit that can be upgraded at will.  Even the dreaded removal and
> reinstallation of the front panel went without a hitch!
> 
> Other than operator error when configuring the KBPF3 as installed on
> the main board rather than the sub receiver, everything came up
> without issue.  Now being able to monitor overlapping nets this
> morning is something I've wanted for a long time.  Very nice.
> 
> What really drove home Elecraft's attention to detail was when I was
> installing the filters into the KRX3.  Comparing the five pole filters
> I ordered last year to the I ordered with the K3 in 2010, I found that
> their offsets are only 10 Hz apart.  I do not recall asking for
> matched filters and seeing that the order processing and fulfillment
> departments not only had the filter information from 2010 but they
> also took the time and care to match filters as closely as possible
> impressed me enough that I just had to type this missive.  I do plan
> on experimenting with diversity receive and Elecraft has made it
> possible that I can do so without having to buy matched filter sets. 
> Job well done!
> 
> 73, Nate, N0NB
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Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure

[Gary Smith]

The reason why was the original post had 
spaces in the URL. This is the corrected 
URL and a tinyurl to click on. Send that 
to your friend.




https://tinyurl.com/y9db9vs6

It is unfortunate the original link got 
corrupted. Use these and you'll get there.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Got this from a friend who tried to sign the petition:
> 
> >  The confirmation email came and when I clicked on the link ,it
> > says 404 page not found.  I tried five times.
> >
> > maybe that is why there are so few signatures?
> 
> Ray Kruse
> 73  KK4WPB
> 
> 
> On 8/19/2018 2:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> > More info on the topic.  I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly
> > WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology
> > in many ways.  If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the
> > reference for many of our atomic clocks?
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> 
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> If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have
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Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure

[Gary Smith]

The link earlier provided was chopped up. 
This is the correct link:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/
maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh

And here is a tinyurl link to the same 
link

https://tinyurl.com/y9db9vs6

I signed it.

73,

Gary
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[Elecraft] P3 watt reading

[Gary Smith]

Is there an established way to have the P3 
not read in PEP? I would like to use the 
P3's watt meter to tune my amp but the PEP 
mode is not good for that.

Thanks,

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey

[Gary Smith]

Elecraft is now at 32%. I voted but non 
scientific studies are mostly for fun and 
not a representative answer with validity.

73,

Gary
KA1J

K3 #202 & fully updated to K3s specs.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question

[Gary Smith]

Hi Bob,

I don't recall if it was from the WSJT-X 
online help page or advice from a K3s user 
but I had my WSJT-X power bar around 80% 
and in the sound manager, both playback & 
recording levels are around 52%.

With that, the line level value in the K3s 
was around 7. After the suggestions 
earlier I moved it to line level 8 and all 
5 bars were solid. To the good, I was not 
having that issue of false transmit and 
needing to jog the power to get output.

I'm willing to follow suggestions and see 
how it goes so I moved the power slider to 
roughly 1/2 way which then required me to 
adjust the line level value on the K3s to 
26. Checking the levels in sound manager, 
they remain at 52. 

At this point the meteors seem to be 
hitting less, the shower may well be over. 
I've only made one Q in the last 20 
minutes and that was an E contact from 163 
miles away. I'm not reading decodes so the 
band is quiet but all seems well, I am 
seeing proper output. 40W drive is putting 
out 900W on 6M with every transmission.

Fingers crossed these changes are the 
solution. I hope these posts help others 
in the future, and thanks for the reply.

Oh... How timely, you & I just started a 
MSK144 Q & at 807 miles. Things are still 
going!  :)

73, 

Gary
KA1J

> Do understand in the K3 & K3S operation the actual output power is
> controlled by the PWR setting on the radio.  The PWR setting on the
> WSJT-X screen is actually audio level.   This should be adjusted
> about mid scale for both TUNE and TRANSMIT. The radio Line Gain will
> then allow you to adjust the udio level such that you have 4 bars
> solid on the ALC  scale.    The 5th bar should be flickering.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 8/12/2018 11:23 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > Don & Jim,
> >
> > Yes, I do have it set for the DATA A. The
> > bars were with the 5th flickering.
> >
> > I just bumped the line from 7, to 8. Now
> > they are solid bars, no flicker. It does
> > seem to be OK at this moment and perhaps
> > that is what I needed to do. It was
> > intermittent before so will have to wait
> > and see.
> >
> > I'll come back if this does not resolve
> > the issue. Thanks for the input.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Gary
> > KA1J
> >
> >
> >> Gary,
> >>
> >> Are you working in DATA A mode, and driving the audio to 4 bars
> >> solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter?
> >>
> >> That is the No ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX2/KX3.  The lower bars
> >> are there to give you a guide to adjust the audio.
> >>
> >> So the common internet advice not to drive into ALC is being
> >> observed - it is just that to point where that occurs is at a full
> >> 5th bar on the ALC meter.
> >>
> >> Moving the power knob "reactivates" the power control circuits, but
> >> if you do not have enough audio, the power will not be steady - the
> >> radio will "power hunt"
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Don W3FPR
> >>
> >> On 8/12/2018 11:12 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> >>> Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X
> >>> on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was
> >>> making numerous contacts. I stopped for
> >>> awhile and returned, this time noticing I
> >>> was not putting out any output from the
> >>> amp.
> >>>
> >>> The rig went into the transmit state, and
> >>> the relay engaged on the amp. There was a
> >>> small grid current on the amp as one gets
> >>> with key down and no transmitted signal.
> >>> When I eventually moved the power control
> >>> on the K3s ever so slightly, it
> >>> transmitted properly. I had to do this
> >>> several times but did not notice it
> >>> before.
> >>>
> >>> I re-loaded the factory settings with the
> >>> Elecraft Utility and the issue remains
> >>> albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving
> >>> the power knob resolves the issue.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question

[Gary Smith]

Hi Alexander,

No, ALC line here. I did mean to say idle 
current. :)

I have increased the reading on the ALC 
graph as suggested and so far it is 
working properly, time will tell if that 
was the issue. 

Thank you for the reply!

73,

Gary
KA1J

> 
> Hi Gary,
> are You using any ALC line from AMP to K3? Did You check ALC level on
> display (K3)? What You mean by "grid current"? You mean "idle current"
> ? 
> 
> 
> Just my ideas what to check
> 73,
> Lexa, OK1DST
> 
> -- Puvodní e-mail --
> Od: Gary Smith 
> Komu: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Datum: 12. 8. 2018 17:17:35
> Predmet: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question
> Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X
> on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was
> making numerous contacts. I stopped for
> awhile and returned, this time noticing I
> was not putting out any output from the
> amp.
> 
> The rig went into the transmit state, and
> the relay engaged on the amp. There was a
> small grid current on the amp as one gets
> with key down and no transmitted signal.
> When I eventually moved the power control
> on the K3s ever so slightly, it
> transmitted properly. I had to do this
> several times but did not notice it
> before.
> 
> I re-loaded the factory settings with the
> Elecraft Utility and the issue remains
> albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving
> the power knob resolves the issue.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Gary
> KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question

[Gary Smith]

Don & Jim,

Yes, I do have it set for the DATA A. The 
bars were with the 5th flickering. 

I just bumped the line from 7, to 8. Now 
they are solid bars, no flicker. It does 
seem to be OK at this moment and perhaps 
that is what I needed to do. It was 
intermittent before so will have to wait 
and see.

I'll come back if this does not resolve 
the issue. Thanks for the input.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Gary,
> 
> Are you working in DATA A mode, and driving the audio to 4 bars
> solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter?
> 
> That is the No ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX2/KX3.  The lower bars are
> there to give you a guide to adjust the audio.
> 
> So the common internet advice not to drive into ALC is being
> observed - it is just that to point where that occurs is at a full
> 5th bar on the ALC meter.
> 
> Moving the power knob "reactivates" the power control circuits, but
> if you do not have enough audio, the power will not be steady - the
> radio will "power hunt"
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 8/12/2018 11:12 AM, Gary Smith wrote:
> > Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X
> > on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was
> > making numerous contacts. I stopped for
> > awhile and returned, this time noticing I
> > was not putting out any output from the
> > amp.
> > 
> > The rig went into the transmit state, and
> > the relay engaged on the amp. There was a
> > small grid current on the amp as one gets
> > with key down and no transmitted signal.
> > When I eventually moved the power control
> > on the K3s ever so slightly, it
> > transmitted properly. I had to do this
> > several times but did not notice it
> > before.
> > 
> > I re-loaded the factory settings with the
> > Elecraft Utility and the issue remains
> > albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving
> > the power knob resolves the issue.
> 




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[Elecraft] K3s Transmit question

[Gary Smith]

Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X 
on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was 
making numerous contacts. I stopped for 
awhile and returned, this time noticing I 
was not putting out any output from the 
amp.

The rig went into the transmit state, and 
the relay engaged on the amp. There was a 
small grid current on the amp as one gets 
with key down and no transmitted signal. 
When I eventually moved the power control 
on the K3s ever so slightly, it 
transmitted properly. I had to do this 
several times but did not notice it 
before.

I re-loaded the factory settings with the 
Elecraft Utility and the issue remains 
albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving 
the power knob resolves the issue.

Any suggestions?

73,

Gary
KA1J
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