[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: As it happens, I went through Lifton's eight criteria in considerable detail with somebody *else* who came along and tried the same nonsense of applying them to TM. So I'm prepared any time. Golly, you're one tough sonofabitch, ain't ya? Now that you mention it, this kind of braggadocio *would* sound at home coming from one of those WWF wrestlers, wouldn't it? One of the old, fat ones who doesn't really wrestle any more, and just shows up so that he can be interviewed by the press and say shit like: I'm SUPERSTEIN THE MAGNIFICENT, and I will take on all comers!!! Your puny kung fu is no match for mine; I will smash a chair over the head of your lesser dogma and beat you bloody with my intellect until you come crawling across the canvas begging for the right to apologize to me and to all those I represent!!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The gathering of the Forces of Light
Master's article The gathering of the Forces of Light by the Master , through Benjamin Creme Important events are taking place in many parts of the world. People everywhere will be astonished by the reports. These will include sightings, in unprecedented numbers, of spacecraft from our neighbouring planets, Mars and Venus in particular. Nothing like this increased activity, over vast areas of the Earth, will have been seen before. Those who have steadfastly refused to take seriously the reality of this phenomenon will find it difficult to deny. More and more accounts of contact with the occupants of the spacecraft will add their testimony to the fact of their existence. Miraculous happenings of all kinds will continue and multiply in number and variety. The minds of men will be baffled and amazed by these wonders, and this will cause them to ponder deeply. Wonder-filled Into this wonder-filled, wondering world Maitreya will quietly enter and begin His open work. He will be asked to counter their doubts and fears, to explain these happenings and He will vouchsafe their validity. These extraordinary events will continue unabated and cause many to prophesy the ending of the world. Maitreya, however, will continue in His simple way and interpret differently these events. Thus will Maitreya encourage men to see the marvellous breadth and scope of life, the many layers of which man knows but little till now. Gently He will introduce them bit by bit to the basic truths of our existence, the Laws which govern it, and the benefits achieved by living within these Laws. He will acquaint man with the vastness of our Galaxy and show that, in time, men of Earth will conquer Space and Time. He will encourage men to seek within, as well as without, for the answers to their problems, and validate their constant connection to each other and to Cosmos. He will remind humanity of its long history and of the many perils which man has overcome. He will sow the seeds of faith in our own illustrious future and vouchsafe the eternal divinity of man. He will show that the path of life, the evolutionary journey, leads unfailingly upwards as well as for ever onwards, and that to make the journey together, as brothers and sisters, is the surest way and the way most lit by joy. Look, then, for the signs of Maitreya's entrance, make it known, and uplift the hope of your brothers. http://www.shareintl.org
[FairfieldLife] A Ducky Morning in France
I woke up without an alarm and meditated, then made some coffee and wandered out to the terrace overlooking the river with my computer. It's a beautiful morning, very Springlike, and down below on the river a guy duck -- obviously from another clan and equally obviously inspired by the Springlike morning -- leaped upon one of the babe ducks and attempted to have...uh...congress with her. Whereupon five other guy ducks flew over and started beating the shit out of the one who had been so bold as to want to...uh...infringe upon their territory. They pecked at him and kicked him with their little webbed feet and finally sent him flying off, hopefully out of their lives so that he no longer posed a threat to their all-important pecking order and illusion of control. The babe duck actually looked a little sad, as if she were saying, We were having a good moment there, and you guys had to go and mess it up! The whole scene brought a lump to my throat and made me think fondly of Fairfield Life, so I just thought I'd drop in and ask Judy, Sparaig, Peter Klutz, Nablusos and Jim how *you're* doing this fine morning. Chased off any anti-TM ducks today?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: As it happens, I went through Lifton's eight criteria in considerable detail with somebody *else* who came along and tried the same nonsense of applying them to TM. So I'm prepared any time. Golly, you're one tough sonofabitch, ain't ya? Now that you mention it, this kind of braggadocio *would* sound at home coming from one of those WWF wrestlers, wouldn't it? One of the old, fat ones who doesn't really wrestle any more, and just shows up so that he can be interviewed by the press and say shit like: I'm SUPERSTEIN THE MAGNIFICENT, and I will take on all comers!!! Your puny kung fu is no match for mine; I will smash a chair over the head of your lesser dogma and beat you bloody with my intellect until you come crawling across the canvas begging for the right to apologize to me and to all those I represent!!!
[FairfieldLife] More Duck Tales (was Re: Lucifier exposed?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 26, 2007, at 7:08 PM, peterklutz wrote: snip This is: What is your Freemasonic lodge's version of Gnosis? It's a simple question. Why can't you just answer it? :-) In the experience emblematic of light, as the sun rising in the east. Universal Light. Translation: Vaj doesn't have a clue. Remembering my gang of ducks analogy this morning, doesn't it give you pause sometimes how the desire to pile on and beat up someone they don't like is more powerful in some of the quackers here than the desire to disassociate themselves from someone that even *they* know is crazy? I mean, in any other circumstance Jim, Sparaig and Judy wouldn't be caught dead in the same *room* with Peter Klutz or Nablusos, much less seeming to be on their side in a discussion. They'd be afraid that they were going to get Craziness Cooties from them or something like that. But let Peter Klutz or Nablusos tear into one of their enemies, one of the people here they obsess on as anti-TMers, and all caution is thrown to the winds. They just can't WAIT to pile on and join the two crazies in the latest asskicking fest. Kinda shows you what their integrity is *really* like, and what their values *really* are, doesn't it? And again, *not to be forgotten*, one of these pile on types has no problem announcing himself here as Self Realized. And then demonstrating the qualities of Self Realization or enlightenment or however you want to phrase it by teaming up with someone like Peter Klutz (who has spent the last day or so agree- ing with and quoting from the hate-tracts of Jack Chick) or Nablusos (who has no problem discussing the various levels of alien visitors we're all going to meet in the next few months). How crazy these two guys are doesn't seem to MATTER to the other three pile on ducks. How little they are held in regard by most people here doesn't seem to MATTER to them. All that matters is that one of the crazies is giving some shit to someone *they* would like to give shit to. So they pile on. It's like a compulsion...the pile on ducks don't even seem to have a CHOICE in the matter...when one piles on, the others seem to HAVE to pile on, too. And in so doing, as I suggested above, they reveal a great deal more about their true nature than I think they understand. If it walks like a crazy duck and quacks like a crazy duck, chances are it really IS Just Another Crazy Duck.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
On Feb 27, 2007, at 12:53 AM, geezerfreak wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: As it happens, I went through Lifton's eight criteria in considerable detail with somebody *else* who came along and tried the same nonsense of applying them to TM. So I'm prepared any time. Golly, you're one tough sonofabitch, ain't ya? She didn't get the nickname Junkyard Dog for nuttin'.
[FairfieldLife] Lucifier exposed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [mercy snip] If it walks like a crazy duck and quacks like a crazy duck, chances are it really IS Just Another Crazy Duck. You can say that again. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132670 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132837 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132851 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/132869
[FairfieldLife] Scientific Study Proposal
Reading through some of the posts to Fairfield Life, alt.meditation.transcendental, and TM-Free lately, I have revised my opinion of the new Electricity is bad for you campaign being promoted by Maharishi and the TM movement. I'm beginning to think they're onto something. I mean, think about it. If you watch these forums, it would seem that the strong, On The Program TM types consistently display behavior that one would charac- terize as agressive, antisocial, rigid, dogmatic, insulting, and tending towards mob behavior, if not downright craziness. By contrast, most of the Off The Program types on those forums (those who either no longer practice TM or who have distanced themselves from it and no longer identify with it as their main spiritual path) often display a great deal of balance and equanimity in their posts and in their lives. So what I'm thinkin' is that maybe John Knapp and Paul Mason and Sudarsha and Vaj are WRONG in their suggestion that the negative traits one tends to see in long-term TMers are somehow caused by TM or the TMSP itself. The problem may be ELECTRICITY. What if Maharishi is RIGHT about the negative effects of exposure to electromagnetic radiation from common household wiring? And what if he's RIGHT about it, but only as EMR affects On The Program *TMers*? I mean, the Off The Program types live in the same world as the On The Program types, and are exposed to as much Bad Electricity as the strong TMers are, but it doesn't seem to affect them. So what if there is some oversensitivity to Bad Electricity that is *caused* by the TM and TMSP programs, something that makes the individuals who pursue those programs more susceptible to the evil influences of EMR all around them? Isn't it worth checkin' out? A simple study -- with a control group of non-TMers (or former TMers who are now safely Off The Program) living their normal lives in rooms filled with Bad Electricity being given the same battery of psychological and sociological tests as a group of strong, On The Program TMers living in rooms similarly filled with Bad Electricity -- might settle this whole TM is potentially bad for you debate once and for all. And if it did, and the results of the tests *did* seem to indicate that TMers exposed to Bad Electricity were more vulnerable to the bad effects of EMR than non-TMers, wouldn't it be a kind of win-win situation for all concerned? The non-TMers or Off The Program types could relax, certain now that the negative traits they've been commenting on are caused *not* by TM, but by Bad Elec- tricity. That would cut down on the number of posts from their side. And the strong, diehard On The Program TMers could *also* rest easier, knowing that it had been finally established that TM was *not* the culprit. They could continue their TM program in peace, just taking proper precautions against the real culprit, Bad Electricity (precautions like moving into an unelectrified S-V house, or giving up their Internet addiction). And again, the volume of posts compulsively defending TM from claims that it can have harmful side effects would be at an end. Give it some thought, any of you researchers out there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Study Proposal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading through some of the posts to Fairfield Life, alt.meditation.transcendental, and TM-Free lately, I have revised my opinion of the new Electricity is bad for you campaign being promoted by Maharishi and the TM movement. I'm beginning to think they're onto something. [snip] Give it some thought, any of you researchers out there. I think the research is already there. When I was in the navy (1980s) we were clearly informed to avoid exposure (i.e. stand to close to) radars on the ships we were on. They were considered a radiation hazard. Skip forward twenty years and people are expected to put devices emitting the same stuff next to their heads. What is required, it would seem, is not more of time-wasting research to support our weak spines - but the courage to accept the facts as we already know them, and do so in the face of well-healed, ruthless and intellectually dishonest enemies. Congratulations for working up the courage!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Singer was at least as bad, FWIW. But Markovsky was very happy to have been appointed editor of her anticult journal, until that whole project fell through. You should know that Markovsky required editorial independence from the Singer Foundation and indicated that he intended to hold the journal to Ihis/I understanding of scholarly and scientific rigor. snip If you're going to use the model of brainwashing as a metaphor or poetic device, you better be damn sure you make that really clear at the outset. Of course, brainwashing is a metaphor to begin with, but most people understand the term as it was originally used and think of prisoners of war and the Manchurian Candidate. And I rather doubt Gina was using Lifton's criteria as nothing more than metaphors. Curtis certainly doesn't. I may have misled you. I didn't mean to say that Gina understands thought reform as a metaphor. You would have to ask her how she understands thought reform. You may want to post a comment on the blog. What I meant to offer was my reaction to her article. Lifton also didn't talk about thought reform as a metaphor. That was only my personal reaction to the concept of thought reform or brainwashing. J.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perfect! lurk I woke up without an alarm and meditated, then made some coffee and wandered out to the terrace overlooking the river with my computer. It's a beautiful morning, very Springlike, and down below on the river a guy duck -- obviously from another clan and equally obviously inspired by the Springlike morning -- leaped upon one of the babe ducks and attempted to have...uh...congress with her. Whereupon five other guy ducks flew over and started beating the shit out of the one who had been so bold as to want to...uh...infringe upon their territory. They pecked at him and kicked him with their little webbed feet and finally sent him flying off, hopefully out of their lives so that he no longer posed a threat to their all-important pecking order and illusion of control. The babe duck actually looked a little sad, as if she were saying, We were having a good moment there, and you guys had to go and mess it up! The whole scene brought a lump to my throat and made me think fondly of Fairfield Life, so I just thought I'd drop in and ask Judy, Sparaig, Peter Klutz, Nablusos and Jim how *you're* doing this fine morning. Chased off any anti-TM ducks today?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Singer was at least as bad, FWIW. But Markovsky was very happy to have been appointed editor of her anticult journal, until that whole project fell through. You should know that Markovsky required editorial independence from the Singer Foundation and indicated that he intended to hold the journal to Ihis/I understanding of scholarly and scientific rigor. Yeah, well, that brings up the issue of how good his understanding was of scholarly and scientific rigor. Just for example, there was his insistence on alt.m.t that TM researchers were unethical because they didn't obtain informed consent from the subjects of their Maharishi Effect studies (i.e., the populations to be affected by large-group practice of TM-Sidhis practitioners). snip If you're going to use the model of brainwashing as a metaphor or poetic device, you better be damn sure you make that really clear at the outset. Of course, brainwashing is a metaphor to begin with, but most people understand the term as it was originally used and think of prisoners of war and the Manchurian Candidate. And I rather doubt Gina was using Lifton's criteria as nothing more than metaphors. Curtis certainly doesn't. I may have misled you. I didn't mean to say that Gina understands thought reform as a metaphor. No, I know that. I was saying I didn't think she did. I'm just suggesting that anyone who writes something for public consumption applying Lifton's criteria to the TMO metaphorically ought to make it clear that's what they're doing so as not to, you know, mislead readers. What I meant to offer was my reaction to her article. Lifton also didn't talk about thought reform as a metaphor. That was only my personal reaction to the concept of thought reform or brainwashing. J.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO Sightings worldwide.
UFO sightings worldwide As Benjamin Creme's Master indicates in His article `The gathering of the Forces of Light', it seems that we have now reached a phase in which certain activities are being stepped up in frequency and intensity. As so vividly illustrated in that article, we may now look forward to widespread sightings of spacecraft and other signs of Maitreya's emergence. A substantial part of `Signs of the Times' is therefore devoted to reports of such sightings from all over the world. This is no doubt just the beginning of an inspiring chapter in Hierarchical activity. London, uk At least 30 people witnessed a squadron of orange lights in the skies above Archway, north London, at around 5.30pm on Thursday 2 February 2007. Drivers stopped their cars to view the mysterious lights hovering in the sky. People screamed and police received several calls within a few minutes about the sightings. Alix McAlister, 34, a local resident and market trader, was picking up his son from nursery when he noticed the lights: There was a group of them 10 to 15 of them moving together. My first impression was that they reminded me of a squadron of aeroplanes in formation. But they didn't have a proper formation and they were moving at the same speed . Bombs and planes crossed my mind. But I realised very quickly that they didn't look like any aircraft I'd seen before. McAlister described how they kind of stopped and they were hovering. There was no sound. They seemed to fade away and I saw more coming and then they stopped. It lasted about 10 minutes. Designer James Zagar, from Crouch End, watched the spectacle from the same road. Describing the balls of light in the sky, he said: They were all moving together. They stopped and then they came on again and there must have been about 12 of these things all moving across the sky. Tom Cull, 27, a vision mixer working in the area, came outside to find a crowd of people staring up at the sky. There were at least 30 people watching, he said. Cars had stopped. It was kind of eerie. What I found strange about these things was the way they moved. The fact that they were so high would suggest they were quite big. Mr Cull said he saw the lights again when he returned home to Fortis Green, a few miles away. The Ministry of Defence said it had no reports of a security incident, while the Meteorological Office ruled out any weather- related explanation. Less than 30 minutes later, similar strange orange lights were seen 160 kilometres away in the town of Kings Lynn, Norfolk. (Sources: Islington Gazette, Hornsey and Crouch End Journal, UK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the lights were spacecraft from Mars.) Hawaii, usa Witnesses on the southern shore of the Hawaii island of Oahu reported seeing unidentified lights in the northeastern sky at about 6.20pm on Friday 26 January 2007. Local resident Peter Hollingworth said he saw two lights circling in the sky. One was videoed by a local television station. These two little fireballs with a stream behind it, said Hollingworth, looked kind of like a shooting star but it just kept going. They changed directions a few times. The US National Weather Service said nothing appeared on their radar at the time of the sighting and the US Federal Aviation Administration did not report anything unusual. (Source: KHON/WLTX- TV, USA) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the sightings were of spacecraft from Mars. southern england On 24 January 2007 more than 35 people called police to report seeing UFOs during heavy snow in the West Sussex region of England. The callers, including a policeman, said 50 orange lights hovered in the sky for 15 minutes before drifting into the night. Moira Dawson, 57, said: We thought they were fireworks but they didn't make any noise. They just floated in the snowfall. Another witness near Gatwick airport in West Sussex said: We thought it was an invasion. (Source: The Mirror, UK) (Benjamin Creme's Master confirms that the sightings were of spacecrafts from Mars.) western iran Witnesses in the city of Bouyer Ahmad in western Iran reported two sightings of UFOs in a period of two days in January 2007. On 15 January 2007, people reported seeing a glowing object with a yellow ray and a bright reddish colour in the centre hovering at low altitude over the city for more than an hour, beginning at about 7pm. Two days later, a similar object was seen in the sky in the same area and at the same time of day. About a week prior to the UFO sightings, there were reports of a UFO crash in the Barez Mountains in the central Iranian province of Kerman. The crash was reportedly witnessed by people in several cities, and occurred about 100 kilometres from the provincial capital city of Kerman. Witnesses said that a radiant UFO, on fire and emitting thick smoke, crashed to the ground, causing an explosion. The deputy governor general of
[FairfieldLife] More Duck Tales (was Re: Lucifier exposed?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 26, 2007, at 7:08 PM, peterklutz wrote: snip This is: What is your Freemasonic lodge's version of Gnosis? It's a simple question. Why can't you just answer it? :-) In the experience emblematic of light, as the sun rising in the east. Universal Light. Translation: Vaj doesn't have a clue. Remembering my gang of ducks analogy this morning, doesn't it give you pause sometimes how the desire to pile on and beat up someone they don't like is more powerful in some of the quackers here than the desire to disassociate themselves from someone that even *they* know is crazy? Apparently the inference Barry wishes to be drawn from his rant is that if one holds a particular opinion, and then discovers that a person with whom one wouldn't choose to associate onself turns out to have the same opinion, one should immediately resolve *never to express* that opinion lest somebody like Barry attempt to put forward a guilt by association charge against one. Sure, Barry, that makes a lot of sense. I hereby withdraw every opinion I've ever expressed that happened to be in tune with one of yours. I will never again say anything against George Bush or the Iraq war, for example. belly laugh
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd drop in and ask Judy, Sparaig, Peter Klutz, Nablusos and Jim how *you're* doing this fine morning. Chased off any anti-TM ducks today? Thanks for your concern. All is well here, thank you, it's snowing and very peaceful. You might not have gotten this point, but I never ever try to chase off anyone. What I object to is this neverending campaign by certain energies to try to pull serious meditators off their choosen path. They want to sow doubt in seekers, doubt in the practice and doubt in Maharishi. And it seems to be a coordinated effort. All the hate they project must have a source. I will not speculate on from where this hate comes. I brought in carma once because I think they are doing serious damage to their own evolution by doing this. They should just let the meditators alone and continue on their own choosen path, it being Buddhism or whatever.
[FairfieldLife] remote-controlled pigeons a threat to US?
Imagine if this story came from Iran and not China... visions of suicidal Hizbula pigeons with explosive collars threatening US forces in Iraq.. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/27022007/80-132/bird-brained-china-scientists-learn-fly-pigeons.html Bird-brained China scientists learn to fly pigeons Tuesday February 27, 05:49 AM BEIJING (Reuters) - Scientists in eastern China say they have succeeded in controlling the flight of pigeons with micro electrodes planted in their brains, state media reported on Tuesday. Scientists at the Robot Engineering Technology Research Centre at Shandong University of Science and Technology said ther electrodes could command them to fly right or left or up or down, Xinhua news agency said. The implants stimulate different areas of the pigeon's brain according to signals sent by the scientists via computer, and force the bird to comply with their commands, Xinhua said. It's the first such successful experiment on a pigeon in the world, Xinhua quoted the centre's chief scientist, Su Xuecheng, as saying. Su and his colleagues, who Xinhua said had had similar success with mice in 2005, were improving the devices used in the experiment and hoped that the technology could be put into practical use in future. The report did not specify what practical uses the scientists saw for the remote-controlled pigeons.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I may have misled you. I didn't mean to say that Gina understands thought reform as a metaphor. No, I know that. I was saying I didn't think she did. I'm just suggesting that anyone who writes something for public consumption applying Lifton's criteria to the TMO metaphorically ought to make it clear that's what they're doing so as not to, you know, mislead readers. Well, Judy, I'm pretty confused. Who do you think was applying Lifton's criteria to the TM Org metaphorically. You've agreed that Gina didn't say she was. She may have, I dunno. We'd have to ask her. I didn't write about Lifton's criteria on the blog -- whether metaphorically or not. So who are you concerned about? J. http://tmfree.blogspot.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: remote-controlled pigeons a threat to US?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine if this story came from Iran and not China... visions of suicidal Hizbula pigeons with explosive collars threatening US forces in Iraq.. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/27022007/80-132/bird-brained-china-scientists-learn-fly-pigeons.html [snip] Hey, here's an even scarier scenario: nuclear armed murder dolphins on the lam! http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1577753,00.html
[FairfieldLife] Advanced math in medieval Islamic architecture
From the NYTimes this morning: In Medieval Architecture, Signs of Advanced Math By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD In the beauty and geometric complexity of tile mosaics on walls of medieval Islamic buildings, scientists have recognized patterns suggesting that the designers had made a conceptual breakthrough in mathematics beginning as early as the 13th century. A new study shows that the Islamic pattern-making process, far more intricate than the laying of one's bathroom floor, appears to have involved an advanced math of quasi crystals, which was not understood by modern scientists until three decades ago. The findings, reported in the current issue of the journal Science, are a reminder of the sophistication of art, architecture and science long ago in the Islamic culture. They also challenge the assumption that the designers somehow created these elaborate patterns with only a ruler and a compass. Instead, experts say, they may have had other tools and concepts. Two years ago, Peter J. Lu, a doctoral student in physics at Harvard University, was transfixed by the geometric pattern on a wall in Uzbekistan. It reminded him of what mathematicians call quasi- crystalline designs. These were demonstrated in the early 1970s by Roger Penrose, a mathematician and cosmologist at the University of Oxford. Mr. Lu set about examining pictures of other tile mosaics from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Turkey, working with Paul J. Steinhardt, a Princeton cosmologist who is an authority on quasi crystals and had been Mr. Lu's undergraduate adviser. The research was a bit like trying to figure out the design principle of a jigsaw puzzle, Mr. Lu said in an interview. In their journal report, Mr. Lu and Dr. Steinhardt concluded that by the 15th century, Islamic designers and artisans had developed techniques to construct nearly perfect quasi-crystalline Penrose patterns, five centuries before discovery in the West. Some of the most complex patterns, called girih in Persian, consist of sets of contiguous polygons fitted together with little distortion and no gaps. Running through each polygon (a decagon, pentagon, diamond, bowtie or hexagon) is a decorative line. Mr. Lu found that the interlocking tiles were arranged in predictable ways to create a pattern that never repeats that is, quasi crystals. Read more at: http://tinyurl.com/33pzh6
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO Sightings worldwide.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UFO sightings worldwide As Benjamin Creme's Master indicates in His article `The gathering of the Forces of Light', it seems that we have now reached a phase in which certain activities are being stepped up in frequency and intensity. As so vividly illustrated in that article, we may now look forward to widespread sightings of spacecraft and other signs ... [snip] Maybe we can, but of what kind of Light-forces? Beautiful, as the thought of benign visitors from other solar systems is, a more likely explanation is that the bulk of the World's unexplained UFO sightings since WWII are the result of a covert military program run by a country controlled by Baphomet worshipers: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-834605691449249469
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I may have misled you. I didn't mean to say that Gina understands thought reform as a metaphor. No, I know that. I was saying I didn't think she did. I'm just suggesting that anyone who writes something for public consumption applying Lifton's criteria to the TMO metaphorically ought to make it clear that's what they're doing so as not to, you know, mislead readers. Well, Judy, I'm pretty confused. Who do you think was applying Lifton's criteria to the TM Org metaphorically. You've agreed that Gina didn't say she was. She may have, I dunno. We'd have to ask her. I didn't write about Lifton's criteria on the blog -- whether metaphorically or not. So who are you concerned about? I'm not sure why this was so confusing to you, John. I didn't say anybody *did* write about Lifton's criteria this way, rather that if anybody were to do so, they should make it clear, lest readers be misled.
[FairfieldLife] Re: remote-controlled pigeons a threat to US?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Imagine if this story came from Iran and not China... visions of suicidal Hizbula pigeons with explosive collars threatening US forces in Iraq.. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/27022007/80-132/bird-brained-china- scientists-learn-fly-pigeons.html [snip] Hey, here's an even scarier scenario: nuclear armed murder dolphins on the lam! http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1577753,00.h tml Not nuclear-armed. They're armed with toxic darts designed to disable terrorists in wet suits.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: UFO Sightings worldwide.
In a message dated 2/27/2007 9:20:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UFO sightings worldwide As Benjamin Creme's Master indicates in His article `The gathering of the Forces of Light', it seems that we have now reached a phase in which certain activities are being stepped up in frequency and intensity. As so vividly illustrated in that article, we may now look forward to widespread sightings of spacecraft and other signs ... [snip] Maybe we can, but of what kind of Light-forces? Beautiful, as the thought of benign visitors from other solar systems is, a more likely explanation is that the bulk of the World's unexplained UFO sightings since WWII are the result of a covert military program run by a country controlled by Baphomet worshipers: _http://video.http://videhttp://vidhttp://video.WBhttp://vi_ (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-834605691449249469) Yes. I have predicted a UFO increase this year 2007. See predictions _Astrological Varieties_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) . As a volunteer of the Intergalactic Confederation it is Lord Ashtar in the upper sixth dimension that is overseeing this planet. The Pleidians are the most protective of our planet. There is a standby evacuation plan that Sister Tuella wrote about in her book Project: World Evacuation years back. Benjamin Creame loves to take credit that everything is under the direction of Lord Matreiya but he fails to see the team effort and the voices of many others who are involved in this. As far as the abduction cases that has been stopped years ago. The Zeda Riticulia was the group responsible for planting things in people's bodies and impregnating women but this was stopped over 15 years ago. The secret society that they have created is very minimal. But the Ashtar command has millions of ships on standby for a nuclear attack. Mark July 7th of 2007 on your ca landers as this is the day the masters from the 7th dimension will open up more to the world. It also may be the time that certain spiritual teachers decide to pass over. It may not happen on the exact date so give or take 10 days before and after this date. Meditation will be very important on July 7th of 2007. Lsoma. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: remote-controlled pigeons a threat to US?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: Imagine if this story came from Iran and not China... visions of suicidal Hizbula pigeons with explosive collars threatening US forces in Iraq.. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/27022007/80-132/bird-brained-china- scientists-learn-fly-pigeons.html [snip] Hey, here's an even scarier scenario: nuclear armed murder dolphins on the lam! http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1577753,00.h tml Not nuclear-armed. They're armed with toxic darts designed to disable terrorists in wet suits. They would say that, wouldn't they. Using trained animals as suicide bombers dates back to at least WWII.
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
There's simply no way the Cheney, sorry Bush, administration would want to see Al-Qaeda defeated - or the civil war in former Iraq ended. The Cheney-team, it's hidden masters, and the US military-industrial complex need them to keep the war going in order to realize their final bid at world domination. The campaign also has a snowball effect, seen as formerly conflict-reluctant War-on-bullshit allies, which many now have a bloodied teeth and governments and industries which have had their appetites vetted with the power-trip and financial upsides of the US master plan. There is a reason MMY immediately after 911 started to warn the world about G.W. Bush and his cronies. Hold on.. wait ... Ok, I better leave - I see men in white lab coats on my verandah. ... Oh my - they're chiming the bell! Cheerio! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, at least Cheney is good for something? CIA Evidence Used to Confront Musharraf; Showdown in Pakistan February 26, 2007 6:13 PM Brian Ross Reports: In a highly unusual move, the deputy director of the CIA, Stephen R. Kappes, was flown to Pakistan to personally present President Pervez Musharraf today with compelling CIA evidence of al Qaeda's resurgence on Pakistani soil, U.S. officials say. Kappes joined Vice President Dick Cheney for the surprise showdown meeting in Musharraf's office in Pakistan. The CIA evidence reportedly included satellite photos and electronic intercepts of al Qaeda leaders operating in Pakistan. President Musharraf is the kind of man who doesn't move until he sees the hard facts in front of his face, said Mansoor Ijaz, a counterterrorism analyst who has dealt with Musharraf. As ABCNews.com reported earlier this month, al Qaeda training camps have re-emerged in the Waziristan territory of Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan. We are now seeing the recreation of al Qaeda central, said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism chief. U.S. officials say Musharraf has been in denial about the comeback of al Qaeda on his soil, ignoring evidence presented to him by NATO commanders in Afghanistan. Musharraf pulled his Army troops out of Waziristan last September as part of a peace deal with tribal leaders. In an appearance with President Bush at the White House on Sept. 22, Musharraf vowed he would not tolerate al Qaeda activity in our tribal agency or across the border in Afghanistan. Since, then, al Qaeda and Taliban attacks on U.S. and NATO troops across the border have more than tripled. - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's simply no way the Cheney, sorry Bush, administration would want to see Al-Qaeda defeated - or the civil war in former Iraq ended. The Cheney-team, it's hidden masters, and the US military-industrial complex need them to keep the war going in order to realize their final bid at world domination. The campaign also has a snowball effect, seen as formerly conflict-reluctant War-on-bullshit allies, which many now have a bloodied teeth and governments and industries which have had their appetites vetted with the power-trip and financial upsides of the US master plan. There is a reason MMY immediately after 911 started to warn the world about G.W. Bush and his cronies. Hold on.. wait ... Ok, I better leave - I see men in white lab coats on my verandah. ... Oh my - they're chiming the bell! Oh, dear. Now *Barry* will no longer be able to make negative comments about the Bush administration lest he become associated in people's minds with Peter Klutz.
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's simply no way the Cheney, sorry Bush, administration would want to see Al-Qaeda defeated - or the civil war in former Iraq ended. I just heard on the news last night that BushCo is funding Sunni groups with ties to Al-Qaeda supposedly to counter the influence of Shia dominated Iran.
[FairfieldLife] More Duck Tales (was Re: Lucifier exposed?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 26, 2007, at 7:08 PM, peterklutz wrote: snip This is: What is your Freemasonic lodge's version of Gnosis? It's a simple question. Why can't you just answer it? :-) In the experience emblematic of light, as the sun rising in the east. Universal Light. Translation: Vaj doesn't have a clue. Remembering my gang of ducks analogy this morning, doesn't it give you pause sometimes how the desire to pile on and beat up someone they don't like is more powerful in some of the quackers here than the desire to disassociate themselves from someone that even *they* know is crazy? snip Kinda changes your sorry ass perspective when the shoe's on the other foot, doesn't it? In any case, you seem to need an explanation for everything. Why is that? Why do you feel a compulsion to make sense of the ever changing dynamics on this forum? Hardly seems like the blithe Autumn leaves approach, now doesn't it? What you say most of the time is designed more for effect than substance anyway. This forum was a lot more fun for you when you would just spin your BS and draw all sorts of facile conclusions about TMers, calling them just about anything. Then, you got called on your spiritual Dadaism, and FFL just ain't been the same since for you. Too bad. I feel for you, but reality being what it is, you have no choice but to just DEAL WITH IT :-) )-:
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: There's simply no way the Cheney, sorry Bush, administration would want to see Al-Qaeda defeated - or the civil war in former Iraq ended. I just heard on the news last night that BushCo is funding Sunni groups with ties to Al-Qaeda supposedly to counter the influence of Shia dominated Iran. FWIW, according to former deputy secretary of defense (in the Reagan administration) Lawrence Korb on MSNBC's Countdown last night, the money is actually going to governments that the administration believes will be helpful against Iran, but the administration has no control over where the money ends up. They may have an idea of where some of the money is going, in other words, but they aren't just handing it over directly to these groups with ties to al Qaeda. Minor nuance...
[FairfieldLife] More Duck Tales (was Re: Lucifier exposed?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 26, 2007, at 7:08 PM, peterklutz wrote: snip This is: What is your Freemasonic lodge's version of Gnosis? It's a simple question. Why can't you just answer it? :-) In the experience emblematic of light, as the sun rising in the east. Universal Light. Translation: Vaj doesn't have a clue. Remembering my gang of ducks analogy this morning, doesn't it give you pause sometimes how the desire to pile on and beat up someone they don't like is more powerful in some of the quackers here than the desire to disassociate themselves from someone that even *they* know is crazy? Apparently the inference Barry wishes to be drawn from his rant is that if one holds a particular opinion, and then discovers that a person with whom one wouldn't choose to associate onself turns out to have the same opinion, one should immediately resolve *never to express* that opinion lest somebody like Barry attempt to put forward a guilt by association charge against one. Sure, Barry, that makes a lot of sense. I hereby withdraw every opinion I've ever expressed that happened to be in tune with one of yours. I will never again say anything against George Bush or the Iraq war, for example. belly laugh Barry is just slowly reaching the conclusion that the tide has turned here on FFL, and just like his early morning reality that he doesn't want to face in France, he doesn't want to face it here either. Karma's a bastard, ain't it? :-(
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: There's simply no way the Cheney, sorry Bush, administration would want to see Al-Qaeda defeated - or the civil war in former Iraq ended. I just heard on the news last night that BushCo is funding Sunni groups with ties to Al-Qaeda supposedly to counter the influence of Shia dominated Iran. FWIW, according to former deputy secretary of defense (in the Reagan administration) Lawrence Korb on MSNBC's Countdown last night, the money is actually going to governments that the administration believes will be helpful against Iran, but the administration has no control over where the money ends up. They may have an idea of where some of the money is going, in other words, but they aren't just handing it over directly to these groups with ties to al Qaeda. Minor nuance... Meant to add, if Korb is correct, the point is that this isn't another Iran-contra-type scheme, which is what it looks like when one says the administration is funding groups linked to al Qaeda (although that may be an unintended side effect).
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: There's simply no way the Cheney, sorry Bush, administration would want to see Al-Qaeda defeated - or the civil war in former Iraq ended. I just heard on the news last night that BushCo is funding Sunni groups with ties to Al-Qaeda supposedly to counter the influence of Shia dominated Iran. FWIW, according to former deputy secretary of defense (in the Reagan administration) Lawrence Korb on MSNBC's Countdown last night, the money is actually going to governments that the administration believes will be helpful against Iran, but the administration has no control over where the money ends up. They may have an idea of where some of the money is going, in other words, but they aren't just handing it over directly to these groups with ties to al Qaeda. Minor nuance... I was watching the same show, and you are right, the ties to pro-Al- Qaeda groups was posed as a question or a possibility by KO.
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: There's simply no way the Cheney, sorry Bush, administration would want to see Al-Qaeda defeated - or the civil war in former Iraq ended. I just heard on the news last night that BushCo is funding Sunni groups with ties to Al-Qaeda supposedly to counter the influence of Shia dominated Iran. FWIW, according to former deputy secretary of defense (in the Reagan administration) Lawrence Korb on MSNBC's Countdown last night, the money is actually going to governments that the administration believes will be helpful against Iran, but the administration has no control over where the money ends up. They may have an idea of where some of the money is going, in other words, but they aren't just handing it over directly to these groups with ties to al Qaeda. Minor nuance... Meant to add, if Korb is correct, the point is that this isn't another Iran-contra-type scheme, which is what it looks like when one says the administration is funding groups linked to al Qaeda (although that may be an unintended side effect). And for the terminally literal-minded, I am NOT defending anything about the administration's Middle East policy. The whole thing is a tangled, bloody mess created by folks who haven't the slightest clue what they're doing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: I'd drop in and ask Judy, Sparaig, Peter Klutz, Nablusos and Jim how *you're* doing this fine morning. Chased off any anti-TM ducks today? Thanks for your concern. All is well here, thank you, it's snowing and very peaceful. You might not have gotten this point, but I never ever try to chase off anyone. What I object to is this neverending campaign by certain energies to try to pull serious meditators off their choosen path. They want to sow doubt in seekers, doubt in the practice and doubt in Maharishi. And it seems to be a coordinated effort. All the hate they project must have a source. I will not speculate on from where this hate comes. I brought in carma once because I think they are doing serious damage to their own evolution by doing this. They should just let the meditators alone and continue on their own choosen path, it being Buddhism or whatever. I share the same reaction as you do with similar motives. However I don't think there is anything bonding for example Vaj and Barry save for the fact that they couldn't hack TM and rather than deal with that, have taken it upon themselves to point the finger at those they see as not doubting their experiences, as if this is a sign of naivete, as if not being lost in a spiritual hodge-podge is a bad thing, or a sign of immaturity. I don't think there is any central conspiracy from which this emanates, except their own fears and insecurities.
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip They may have an idea of where some of the money is going, in other words, but they aren't just handing it over directly to these groups with ties to al Qaeda. Minor nuance... I was watching the same show, and you are right, the ties to pro-Al- Qaeda groups was posed as a question or a possibility by KO. Did you see his special comment demolishing-- heck, *disintegrating*--Rice for her unbelievably inane remark about World War II? A tour de force, if not about the most significant topic in the world...
[FairfieldLife] The Illuminati Masterplan (Re: 'Cheney Confronts Pakastan's Pres...')
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip They may have an idea of where some of the money is going, in other words, but they aren't just handing it over directly to these groups with ties to al Qaeda. Minor nuance... I was watching the same show, and you are right, the ties to pro- Al- Qaeda groups was posed as a question or a possibility by KO. Did you see his special comment demolishing-- heck, *disintegrating*--Rice for her unbelievably inane remark about World War II? A tour de force, if not about the most significant topic in the world... It was good- My desire is now for Congress to act on the mandate to which they were elected last November. I sense a dark cynicism in many of them, wanting things in Iraq to get worse, in order to ensure a Democrat for prez in 2008. That is a cowardly and immoral stance. I would rather see them propose legislation to cut off funding for the war, placed in the current budget. That would demonstrate courage, and reveal the argument that this would not support the troops for the toothless drivel that it is.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusos108 Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd drop in and ask Judy, Sparaig, Peter Klutz, Nablusos and Jim how *you're* doing this fine morning. Chased off any anti-TM ducks today? Thanks for your concern. All is well here, thank you, it's snowing and very peaceful. You might not have gotten this point, but I never ever try to chase off anyone. What I object to is this neverending campaign by certain energies to try to pull serious meditators off their choosen path. They want to sow doubt in seekers, doubt in the practice and doubt in Maharishi. And it seems to be a coordinated effort. All the hate they project must have a source. I will not speculate on from where this hate comes. I don't think Barry, myself, and most others feel hate or are trying to pull meditators off their chosen path. I still meditate regularly. Our attitude, at least mine, is that people will be stronger in their spiritual path if they can learn to look at things honestly without hiding behind unexamined concepts and beliefs. If people don't want to do that, they shouldn't hang out on FFL. If this group appeals to them, then they're probably ready to do that. I say things here that I wouldn't dream of saying to my sister, who lives on campus and whose husband is on faculty. I believe chicks should peck their way out of their shells, not have them opened from the outside. The TMO is an incubator. When you're ready to hatch, you'll know what to do.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusos108 Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: I'd drop in and ask Judy, Sparaig, Peter Klutz, Nablusos and Jim how *you're* doing this fine morning. Chased off any anti-TM ducks today? Thanks for your concern. All is well here, thank you, it's snowing and very peaceful. You might not have gotten this point, but I never ever try to chase off anyone. What I object to is this neverending campaign by certain energies to try to pull serious meditators off their choosen path. They want to sow doubt in seekers, doubt in the practice and doubt in Maharishi. And it seems to be a coordinated effort. All the hate they project must have a source. I will not speculate on from where this hate comes. I don't think Barry, myself, and most others feel hate or are trying to pull meditators off their chosen path. I still meditate regularly. Our attitude, at least mine, is that people will be stronger in their spiritual path if they can learn to look at things honestly without hiding behind unexamined concepts and beliefs. If people don't want to do that, they shouldn't hang out on FFL. If this group appeals to them, then they're probably ready to do that. I say things here that I wouldn't dream of saying to my sister, who lives on campus and whose husband is on faculty. I believe chicks should peck their way out of their shells, not have them opened from the outside. The TMO is an incubator. When you're ready to hatch, you'll know what to do. I agree with most of the above, adding one small caveat, that hiding behind unexamined concepts and beliefs is not at all limited to TMers, as some here apparently see it (though I haven't seen that from you Rick). Let's root out any double standards, shall we?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think Barry, myself, and most others feel hate or are trying to pull meditators off their chosen path. I still meditate regularly. Our attitude, at least mine, is that people will be stronger in their spiritual path if they can learn to look at things honestly without hiding behind unexamined concepts and beliefs. If people don't want to do that, they shouldn't hang out on FFL. Bingo. Rick COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN CLEARER about the focus and credo of this discussion group than he was on its Home page. There is a concerted effort by a few (and *very* few) individuals here to portray those who think critically about TM, Maharishi, the TMO and its dogma, and other related subjects as being somehow interlopers here, intruding into their world and subjecting them to ideas they don't want to hear. BUT READ THE HOME PAGE!!! It says things like What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. It goes on to say, The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions, and Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. It does NOT say things like the things that were said here today by Nablusos and by Jim, indicating that they believe that they're under some kind of concerted attack here because people discuss the very things THAT ARE RIGHT THERE IN THE FORUM'S CHARTER. So WHO are the interlopers? Are they the people who come to this forum attracted by its free-thinking guidelines, so clearly stated on its Home page, or could it possibly be the people who actively try to SUPPRESS the free discussion of information, the wish to find out, and who devote a great deal of time and energy to demonizing and practicing character assassination on those FFL members WHO ARE FOLLOWING ITS CHARTER, while they are NOT? If this group appeals to them, then they're probably ready to do that. I say things here that I wouldn't dream of saying to my sister, who lives on campus and whose husband is on faculty. Exactly. If I were on one of the strongly pro-TM forums on Yahoo, it would be inappropriate for me to discuss some of the criticisms of TM, the TMO, and Maharishi that I freely discuss here. But I'm NOT on one of those forums. I'm on Fairfield Life, the charter of which is right there on display on its Home page, and which INVITES free discussion and yes, even criticism, of TM, the TMO, and Maharishi. I believe chicks should peck their way out of their shells, not have them opened from the outside. The TMO is an incubator. When you're ready to hatch, you'll know what to do. And in the meantime, if you don't like others pecking at the shell you've erected around yourself to protect that self from challenging thought, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. There are forums on Yahoo and other places that are DESIGNED for you. Nothing will rock your world or cause you to think there. And *I*, for one, will not be there to bother you or intrude into your bliss. But if you're gonna stay here, on a forum dedicated to free thought, try not to whine so much when others around you actually think, OK?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So who are you concerned about? I'm not sure why this was so confusing to you, John. I didn't say anybody *did* write about Lifton's criteria this way, rather that if anybody were to do so, they should make it clear, lest readers be misled. So it seems you are warning readers about a hypothetical. This seems odd in the context of your posts objecting to Gina's article. Sorry, I must be obtuse. I just don't get it. J. http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ http://trancenet.net/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: So who are you concerned about? I'm not sure why this was so confusing to you, John. I didn't say anybody *did* write about Lifton's criteria this way, rather that if anybody were to do so, they should make it clear, lest readers be misled. So it seems you are warning readers about a hypothetical. This seems odd in the context of your posts objecting to Gina's article. I'll give it one more try: *You* introduced the idea of a metaphorical application of Lifton's criteria to the TMO, in response to my comments about Gina's article. It's that idea that seems odd in the context of what I was saying. But threads take all sorts of different directions, so rather than pretending confusion, I simply bounced off your tangent. I wasn't warning readers about anything, of course. I was warning anyone who might want to write or speak about such a metaphorical application that the audience could be misled if it wasn't made clear to start with that Lifton's criteria were being applied metaphorically. If you have no plans to use the metaphorical approach for public consumption, John, then there is certainly no need for you to take that warning personally.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if you're gonna stay here, on a forum dedicated to free thought, try not to whine so much when others around you actually think, OK? double-edged sword, whiner.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I don't think Barry, myself, and most others feel hate or are trying to pull meditators off their chosen path. I still meditate regularly. Our attitude, at least mine, is that people will be stronger in their spiritual path if they can learn to look at things honestly without hiding behind unexamined concepts and beliefs. If people don't want to do that, they shouldn't hang out on FFL. Bingo. Rick COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN CLEARER about the focus and credo of this discussion group than he was on its Home page. There is a concerted effort by a few (and *very* few) individuals here to portray those who think critically about TM, Maharishi, the TMO and its dogma, and other related subjects as being somehow interlopers here, intruding into their world and subjecting them to ideas they don't want to hear. That would be pretty silly, given that the majority of posters here are critical of TM, MMY, and the TMO. More often than not, it appears that TM supporters are the ones treated as interlopers intruding into the world of the TM critics and subjecting *them* to ideas they don't want to hear. snip So WHO are the interlopers? Are they the people who come to this forum attracted by its free-thinking guidelines, so clearly stated on its Home page, or could it possibly be the people who actively try to SUPPRESS the free discussion of information, the wish to find out, and who devote a great deal of time and energy to demonizing and practicing character assassination on those FFL members WHO ARE FOLLOWING ITS CHARTER, while they are NOT? You, Barry, are absolutely the *last* person who should be complaining about demonization and character assassination. That is your *stock in trade*, and it's the substance of far more of your postings than considered, thoughtful criticism of the TMO and MMY. Indeed, that's exactly what you're doing in the paragraph quoted immediately above. snip I believe chicks should peck their way out of their shells, not have them opened from the outside. The TMO is an incubator. When you're ready to hatch, you'll know what to do. And in the meantime, if you don't like others pecking at the shell you've erected around yourself to protect that self from challenging thought, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. No, see, Barry, Jim is saying that it isn't up to you to peck anybody else's shell. If they're going to break out, they'll do it on their own, from the inside. Voicing your own criticisms of MMY and the TMO is fine. But you appear to believe that the free discussion charter means not only freedom for you to criticize but also freedom from any challenge to that criticism. That ain't the way it works. If you don't like it, YOU go somewhere else.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: So who are you concerned about? I'm not sure why this was so confusing to you, John. I didn't say anybody *did* write about Lifton's criteria this way, rather that if anybody were to do so, they should make it clear, lest readers be misled. So it seems you are warning readers about a hypothetical. This seems odd in the context of your posts objecting to Gina's article. I'll give it one more try: *You* introduced the idea of a metaphorical application of Lifton's criteria to the TMO, in response to my comments about Gina's article. It's that idea that seems odd in the context of what I was saying. Hardly odd. I brought up my understanding of Lifton as being more metaphorical than scientific in explaining how I agree with you to an extent. To me, my comment seems to flow naturally from the discussion. But threads take all sorts of different directions, so rather than pretending confusion, I simply bounced off your tangent. I wasn't warning readers about anything, of course. I was warning anyone who might want to write or speak about such a metaphorical application that the audience could be misled if it wasn't made clear to start with that Lifton's criteria were being applied metaphorically. Why would you warn about something that had not taken place? Why raise the hypothetical? There are so many things you could warn readers about. Why choose this one? If you have no plans to use the metaphorical approach for public consumption, John, then there is certainly no need for you to take that warning personally. I don't take it personally. I'm not sure why you think I do. I'm trying to understand your purpose. It seemed you were warning readers about something that had not taken place. If I didn't know better, it would have seemed that you were misdirecting readers to believe something had taken place that had not. You wrote a few posts ago that you understood that I did not pass metaphor off as research or scientific theory. I was happy with that. I'm just not sure I understand why you are flogging a hypothetical horse. What could your purpose be in that? J. http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ http://trancenet.net/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm trying to understand your purpose. It seemed you were warning readers about something that had not taken place. Yes, John, warnings are typically about something that has not yet taken place. An after-the-fact warning wouldn't do much good, now, would it? snip I'm just not sure I understand why you are flogging a hypothetical horse. *I'm* flogging it?? I mentioned it once. You're the one who's been flogging it, repeatedly attempting to suggest that I must have some nefarious purpose in mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO Sightings worldwide.
, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UFO sightings worldwide As Benjamin Creme's Master indicates in His article `The gathering of the Forces of Light', it seems that we have now reached a phase in which certain activities are being stepped up in frequency and intensity. As so vividly illustrated in that article, we may now look forward to widespread sightings of spacecraft and other signs ... [snip] Yes. I have predicted a UFO increase this year 2007. See predictions _Astrological Varieties_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) . As a volunteer of the Intergalactic Confederation it is Lord Ashtar in the upper sixth dimension that is overseeing this planet. The Pleidians are the most protective of our planet. There is a standby evacuation plan that Sister Tuella wrote about in her book Project: World Evacuation years back. Benjamin Creame loves to take credit that everything is under the direction of Lord Matreiya but he fails to see the team effort and the voices of many others who are involved in this. I'm happy to see that some of your predictions now are happening. But then, again and again, you are unable to not blurt out your ignorance about Benjamin Creme and Maitreya, of whom you apparently know next to nothing. Those interested should check out for themselves at: http://www.shareintl.org As far as the abduction cases that has been stopped years ago. The Zeda Riticulia was the group responsible for planting things in people's bodies and impregnating women but this was stopped over 15 years ago. The secret society that they have created is very minimal. But the Ashtar command has millions of ships on standby for a nuclear attack. Mark July 7th of 2007 on your ca landers as this is the day the masters from the 7th dimension will open up more to the world. It also may be the time that certain spiritual teachers decide to pass over. It may not happen on the exact date so give or take 10 days before and after this date. Meditation will be very important on July 7th of 2007. Lsoma. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I am just claiming that it helped me understand my experiences Judy. No, you've been claiming a *lot* more than that, Curtis. For example (just from FFL, not alt.m.t): It seems obvious to me that many people here have done this on their own given the freedom of thought represented here. If you have a discussion with hard-line TMers you don't get the same openness. That closed mindedness is a result of a process, studied and described in detail by Singer and Lifton. Me: Right, most people on FFL have a broader mindset then the hard-line TM people who would never post on such a free forum. I think the hard-line mindset is described well by Lifton and Singer. Although many posters here may disagree with me on the reasons why full time TMers can be such butt-heads, I suspect there is a pretty strong consensus that they often are. [LB Shriver says he was told his presence in the dome would be disruptive; someone else asked, Disruptive of what?] What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. Me: Milieu Control is the control of information. People who are not allowed in the dome because they don't buy the party line are disruptive to MUM's information control. I stand by that assessment. Me: Lifton and Singer established 8 principles from their work with Korean war vets. I don't know Lifton but did know the late Margret Singer. She was fascinated by how some modern groups had refined the techniques to become less obvious and more subtle. I think this is a case of knowledge being power. Knowing the techniques makes it more difficult to apply them. Me: I believe that if people understand how they can be manipulated by a group they are better equipped to avoid it. It is great that so many people with a movement background have looked at Lifton's perspective,whether they concluded that it fit their own experiences or not. And most recently: I do know that Lifton and Singer both believed that his eight mind control principles did apply to full time members in the TM group. Me: This a fact Judy. They did believe this. It was a correction of your erroneous claim below: Judy from a previous post: Plus which, it trivializes Robert J. Lifton's important work about *real* thought control by pretending it's applicable to the TMO. Me: This is false. Lifton did believe that his principles of thought reform were present in TM facilities. No one is pretending that they are applicable and trivializing his work. Studying people in groups like TM was part of his work. Why would I want to argue with you about my own experiences in the movement 20 years ago and how I view them? I don't know, Curtis, but you brought up our past discussions, not me. And as the quotes above show, you don't just refer to Lifton's work as useful to understand your own experiences, you cite him as an authority on what goes on in the TMO. Me: I believe that Lifton and Singer offer a valuable insight into what happens to people who are full time in the movement. It helped me understand my experience better. They basically created the study of thought reform and their opinion was that fulltime TM people are subjected to it. I am not interested in your speculations concerning experiences you have not had in the movement or your opinion of his work. I rely on my own discussions with Margret Singer concerning what Lifton believed about the TM organization, and my own experiences in it. They are obviously radically different from your own. No need to call me dishonest because I don't want to fight about it. If you don't want to discuss your claims that Lifton's criteria apply to the TMO, then STOP MAKING THE CLAIMS. Me: I chose to hear your rude caps in the hysterical voice of Yosemite Sam. Yeah, that works for me. I won't stop expressing my opinions, no need to shout. I don't hold you or you challenges as authoritative on my experiences or Lifton's material. I don't think that this kind of complex material, which has had a very important value to me personally, is best discussed in a combative context? Do you? Do you want to win something or prove me wrong is some way? Again, *you* barged in with your citation of Lifton's belief that his principles applied to the TMO. I hadn't been talking to you, hadn't referred to you. So don't you accuse *me* of wanting to be combative. Me: So now commenting on someone else's post to correct an erroneous statement is considered barging in? And this is automatically considered combative because you had not been talking to me? Wow, that is going to be an interesting standard to apply to your writing here Judy. I look forward to seeing you conform to your own standard to avoid hypocrisy. It is not a standard that I
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO Sightings worldwide.
Sometimes exchanges on this forum exceed my highest expectations for entertainment. Thank you both for making my day with this one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: , nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UFO sightings worldwide As Benjamin Creme's Master indicates in His article `The gathering of the Forces of Light', it seems that we have now reached a phase in which certain activities are being stepped up in frequency and intensity. As so vividly illustrated in that article, we may now look forward to widespread sightings of spacecraft and other signs ... [snip] Yes. I have predicted a UFO increase this year 2007. See predictions _Astrological Varieties_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) . As a volunteer of the Intergalactic Confederation it is Lord Ashtar in the upper sixth dimension that is overseeing this planet. The Pleidians are the most protective of our planet. There is a standby evacuation plan that Sister Tuella wrote about in her book Project: World Evacuation years back. Benjamin Creame loves to take credit that everything is under the direction of Lord Matreiya but he fails to see the team effort and the voices of many others who are involved in this. I'm happy to see that some of your predictions now are happening. But then, again and again, you are unable to not blurt out your ignorance about Benjamin Creme and Maitreya, of whom you apparently know next to nothing. Those interested should check out for themselves at: http://www.shareintl.org As far as the abduction cases that has been stopped years ago. The Zeda Riticulia was the group responsible for planting things in people's bodies and impregnating women but this was stopped over 15 years ago. The secret society that they have created is very minimal. But the Ashtar command has millions of ships on standby for a nuclear attack. Mark July 7th of 2007 on your ca landers as this is the day the masters from the 7th dimension will open up more to the world. It also may be the time that certain spiritual teachers decide to pass over. It may not happen on the exact date so give or take 10 days before and after this date. Meditation will be very important on July 7th of 2007. Lsoma. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO Sightings worldwide.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes exchanges on this forum exceed my highest expectations for entertainment. Thank you both for making my day with this one. Only glad to be of help :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: , nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UFO sightings worldwide As Benjamin Creme's Master indicates in His article `The gathering of the Forces of Light', it seems that we have now reached a phase in which certain activities are being stepped up in frequency and intensity. As so vividly illustrated in that article, we may now look forward to widespread sightings of spacecraft and other signs ... [snip] Yes. I have predicted a UFO increase this year 2007. See predictions _Astrological Varieties_ (http://www.yogavisionaries.com/) . As a volunteer of the Intergalactic Confederation it is Lord Ashtar in the upper sixth dimension that is overseeing this planet. The Pleidians are the most protective of our planet. There is a standby evacuation plan that Sister Tuella wrote about in her book Project: World Evacuation years back. Benjamin Creame loves to take credit that everything is under the direction of Lord Matreiya but he fails to see the team effort and the voices of many others who are involved in this. I'm happy to see that some of your predictions now are happening. But then, again and again, you are unable to not blurt out your ignorance about Benjamin Creme and Maitreya, of whom you apparently know next to nothing. Those interested should check out for themselves at: http://www.shareintl.org As far as the abduction cases that has been stopped years ago. The Zeda Riticulia was the group responsible for planting things in people's bodies and impregnating women but this was stopped over 15 years ago. The secret society that they have created is very minimal. But the Ashtar command has millions of ships on standby for a nuclear attack. Mark July 7th of 2007 on your ca landers as this is the day the masters from the 7th dimension will open up more to the world. It also may be the time that certain spiritual teachers decide to pass over. It may not happen on the exact date so give or take 10 days before and after this date. Meditation will be very important on July 7th of 2007. Lsoma. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
Fortunately for me, I kept an open mind and NEVER compromised my objectivity like these morons did! I've read most the great Masters from the East and the esoteric traditions from the West. Been meditating now for almost 39 years, (started at 16) I experienced the bliss MMY and all the Yogis talk about around 1970 in the quietude of our little potting shed behind our house in Los Angeles. Quietly repeating the mantra, I momentary lost consciousness and woke up in the most blissfull state of consciousness I have ever experienced...exactly what MMY said was available thru this TM technique. I have continued to expand my knowledge and experience of Sanatana Dharma, the eternal Religion of the Vedas. Thanks to MMY, and using my little God given brain, I have continued to grow thru TMAND, keeping an open mind! Is TM the final word or the final teaching.don't know, I'm still engaged in research! What a bunch of Morons on TMFreeBlog!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.....whether you are TM or anti -TM
--- george_deforest wrote: this whole article is very inspiring, and really must be seen with accompanying photo's and such. ... including this sweet pic of indian pandit boys doing yagya: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/mahapatra-pundits.htm Pundits they may be, but I see these kids have bought into American popular culture and gotten Britney Spears haircuts.
[FairfieldLife] Infinity Chooses
Infinity chooses, he said. The art of a warrior-traveler is to have the ability to move with the slightest insinuation, the art of acquiesing to every command of Infinity. Don Juan Matus
[FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.....whether you are TM or anti -TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- george_deforest wrote: this whole article is very inspiring, and really must be seen with accompanying photo's and such. ... including this sweet pic of indian pandit boys doing yagya: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/mahapatra-pundits.htm Has Farrokh left the Movement, or is it a TMO offspring ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.....whether you are TM or anti -TM
Pundits they may be, but I see these kids have bought into American popular culture and gotten Britney Spears haircuts. Excellent, you totally beat me to the rehab joke! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- george_deforest wrote: this whole article is very inspiring, and really must be seen with accompanying photo's and such. ... including this sweet pic of indian pandit boys doing yagya: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/mahapatra-pundits.htm Pundits they may be, but I see these kids have bought into American popular culture and gotten Britney Spears haircuts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is TM the final word or the final teaching.don't know, I'm still engaged in research! Agreed- that is the beauty of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fortunately for me, I kept an open mind and NEVER compromised my objectivity like these morons did! I've read most the great Masters from the East and the esoteric traditions from the West. Been meditating now for almost 39 years, (started at 16) I experienced the bliss MMY and all the Yogis talk about around 1970 in the quietude of our little potting shed behind our house in Los Angeles. Quietly repeating the mantra, I momentary lost consciousness and woke up in the most blissfull state of consciousness I have ever experienced...exactly what MMY said was available thru this TM technique. I have continued to expand my knowledge and experience of Sanatana Dharma, the eternal Religion of the Vedas. Thanks to MMY, and using my little God given brain, I have continued to grow thru TMAND, keeping an open mind! Is TM the final word or the final teaching.don't know, I'm still engaged in research! What a bunch of Morons on TMFreeBlog! Dear Mr. Magoo, It's unfortunate, but you prove by your hostility exactly what so many have said before, that for many TM simply does not lead to spirituality as understood in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or even Hinduism. I'm pleased for you that you are pleased with your TM results/experiences. It evidently works for you. That's great! Why not simply disagree, whether here or in comments on http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ -- and skip the name calling? The first 3 sutras that the Maharishi teaches are friendliness, compassion, happiness. You may not realize it, but calling people morons isn't likely to convince others that you are experiencing any of the three. John M. Knapp http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ http://trancenet.net/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientific Study Proposal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Reading through some of the posts to Fairfield Life, alt.meditation.transcendental, and TM-Free lately, I have revised my opinion of the new Electricity is bad for you campaign being promoted by Maharishi and the TM movement. I'm beginning to think they're onto something. [snip] Give it some thought, any of you researchers out there. I think the research is already there. When I was in the navy (1980s) we were clearly informed to avoid exposure (i.e. stand to close to) radars on the ships we were on. They were considered a radiation hazard. Skip forward twenty years and people are expected to put devices emitting the same stuff next to their heads. What is required, it would seem, is not more of time-wasting research to support our weak spines - but the courage to accept the facts as we already know them, and do so in the face of well-healed, ruthless and intellectually dishonest enemies. Congratulations for working up the courage! There's plenty of research that shows that electromagnetic waves can effect behavior. There's even a new brain therapy called Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS) which some insurance companies will pay for: http://www.portfolio.mvm.ed.ac.uk/studentwebs/session2/group10/HowTMSworks.htm The point is that cell phones and other electrical devices give off RANDOM electromagnetic signals: random in power and random in frequency so you can't predict what effect, if any, they will have without a LOT of research. However, anyone who suggests that they can't possibly have an effect is pretty darned ignorant, IMHO.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.....whether you are TM or anti -TM
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusos108 Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.whether you are TM or anti -TM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- george_deforest wrote: this whole article is very inspiring, and really must be seen with accompanying photo's and such. ... including this sweet pic of indian pandit boys doing yagya: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/mahapatra-pundits.htm Has Farrokh left the Movement, or is it a TMO offspring ? He left the movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I am just claiming that it helped me understand my experiences Judy. No, you've been claiming a *lot* more than that, Curtis. For example (just from FFL, not alt.m.t): Curtis, did you understand the point I was making here? To avoid a discussion of Lifton's criteria, you asserted (above) that you were only claiming they had helped you understand *your* experiences. That would have made some sense. If that's all you were claiming, there wouldn't be much point in such a discussion. But that *isn't* all you've claimed. Your assertion was not true, as I demonstrated with the quotes from some of your posts. You've made much broader claims for those criteria than just your own experience. And those types of claims are what I was interested in discussing, but with specific reference to Lifton's criteria. I'm *not* interested in the kind of discussion you attempt below, which simply asserts that Lifton's criteria apply in a general sense. The only way to determine if that is, in fact, the case is to go over the criteria one by one--which you aren't willing to do. snip [LB Shriver says he was told his presence in the dome would be disruptive; someone else asked, Disruptive of what?] What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. Me: Milieu Control is the control of information. People who are not allowed in the dome because they don't buy the party line are disruptive to MUM's information control. I stand by that assessment. OK, here you *are* dealing with a specific criterion. Exactly how much communication of information goes on in the domes? How much opportunity is there to pass on information *outside* the domes? To call this milieu control is just silly. If you want to put the dome situation under one of Lifton's criteria, it would be demand for purity. Even that doesn't fit very well, but that's another discussion. more broad assertions snipped And most recently: I do know that Lifton and Singer both believed that his eight mind control principles did apply to full time members in the TM group. Me: This a fact Judy. They did believe this. It was a correction of your erroneous claim below: Judy from a previous post: Plus which, it trivializes Robert J. Lifton's important work about *real* thought control by pretending it's applicable to the TMO. Me: This is false. Lifton did believe that his principles of thought reform were present in TM facilities. No one is pretending that they are applicable and trivializing his work. Studying people in groups like TM was part of his work. I'd need some documentation that Lifton actually studied TM groups, and what that study consisted of, as well as a quote of his conclusions and his reasons for them. I strongly suspect that, with some help from Singer, he ended up inadvertently trivializing his own work. Why would I want to argue with you about my own experiences in the movement 20 years ago and how I view them? I don't know, Curtis, but you brought up our past discussions, not me. And as the quotes above show, you don't just refer to Lifton's work as useful to understand your own experiences, you cite him as an authority on what goes on in the TMO. Me: I believe that Lifton and Singer offer a valuable insight into what happens to people who are full time in the movement. Yes, we know you believe this. You've asserted it over and over. The point is, you refuse to discuss the specific insights and exactly how you believe they apply. My opinion is that they didn't know as much about the TMO as they thought they did. But to show how that might be the case, we'd need to discuss their insights and how they're said to apply, which you refuse to do. snip If you don't want to discuss your claims that Lifton's criteria apply to the TMO, then STOP MAKING THE CLAIMS. Me: I chose to hear your rude caps in the hysterical voice of Yosemite Sam. It's called EMPHASIS, Curtis. Why a big tough guy like you should feel threatened by capital letters is beyond me. BOO!! Yeah, that works for me. I won't stop expressing my opinions, no need to shout. Of course you won't. My point is that if you refuse to support those opinions in open discussion, they aren't worth a whole lot. I don't hold you or you challenges as authoritative on my experiences or Lifton's material. How can you tell when you haven't been willing to discuss my challenges? I don't think that this kind of complex material, which has had a very important value to me personally, is best discussed in a combative context? Do you? Do you want to win something or prove me wrong is some way? Again,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.....whether you are TM or anti -TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- george_deforest wrote: this whole article is very inspiring, and really must be seen with accompanying photo's and such. ... including this sweet pic of indian pandit boys doing yagya: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/mahapatra-pundits.htm Pundits they may be, but I see these kids have bought into American popular culture and gotten Britney Spears haircuts. I still want to know why Farokh is down on a few TM rajahs wearing crowns because it might reflect badly on the conservative supporters of his prison program, and then puts photos like these up on his website...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.....whether you are TM or anti -TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- george_deforest wrote: this whole article is very inspiring, and really must be seen with accompanying photo's and such. ... including this sweet pic of indian pandit boys doing yagya: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/mahapatra-pundits.htm Has Farrokh left the Movement, or is it a TMO offspring ? Someone posted a letter from him refusing to furnish his studies on his project to TM researchers. He's changed the name of TM to something else to avoid lawsuits. Since it's pretty obvious that he could get full funding for as many people as he wanted to learn TM via the David Lynch foundation or some other rich donor, the whole thing is just an ego trip on his part these days: you don't cut ties with an organization that can fully fund your project and teach it to thousands of people in any and every prison in the country unless you want to call it YOUR project more than you want the people to learn..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.....whether you are TM or anti -TM
On Feb 27, 2007, at 3:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still want to know why Farokh is down on a few TM rajahs wearing crowns because it might reflect badly on the conservative supporters of his prison program, and then puts photos like these up on his website... Obviously because he bought into the whole 'buy a yagya and outsource your sadhana for world piece / avert danger before it comes' trip. Since he couldn't do it via the movement anymore, he decided to do it on his own. It's interesting to see because it helps you see how silly it all is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: remote-controlled pigeons a threat to US?
In a message dated 2/27/07 9:07:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They would say that, wouldn't they. Using trained animals as suicide bombers dates back to at least WWII. The suicide Pigeon defense is a line of falconers with trained Peregrine falcons. BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gina Catena's Series on TM Thought Reform
I'll think more carefully about what you wrote here. For now I will admit that my comment on your caps was a bit dickish of me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I am just claiming that it helped me understand my experiences Judy. No, you've been claiming a *lot* more than that, Curtis. For example (just from FFL, not alt.m.t): Curtis, did you understand the point I was making here? To avoid a discussion of Lifton's criteria, you asserted (above) that you were only claiming they had helped you understand *your* experiences. That would have made some sense. If that's all you were claiming, there wouldn't be much point in such a discussion. But that *isn't* all you've claimed. Your assertion was not true, as I demonstrated with the quotes from some of your posts. You've made much broader claims for those criteria than just your own experience. And those types of claims are what I was interested in discussing, but with specific reference to Lifton's criteria. I'm *not* interested in the kind of discussion you attempt below, which simply asserts that Lifton's criteria apply in a general sense. The only way to determine if that is, in fact, the case is to go over the criteria one by one--which you aren't willing to do. snip [LB Shriver says he was told his presence in the dome would be disruptive; someone else asked, Disruptive of what?] What is disrupted is Milieu Control. I'm sure everyone here is hip to that Lifton concept. Me: Milieu Control is the control of information. People who are not allowed in the dome because they don't buy the party line are disruptive to MUM's information control. I stand by that assessment. OK, here you *are* dealing with a specific criterion. Exactly how much communication of information goes on in the domes? How much opportunity is there to pass on information *outside* the domes? To call this milieu control is just silly. If you want to put the dome situation under one of Lifton's criteria, it would be demand for purity. Even that doesn't fit very well, but that's another discussion. more broad assertions snipped And most recently: I do know that Lifton and Singer both believed that his eight mind control principles did apply to full time members in the TM group. Me: This a fact Judy. They did believe this. It was a correction of your erroneous claim below: Judy from a previous post: Plus which, it trivializes Robert J. Lifton's important work about *real* thought control by pretending it's applicable to the TMO. Me: This is false. Lifton did believe that his principles of thought reform were present in TM facilities. No one is pretending that they are applicable and trivializing his work. Studying people in groups like TM was part of his work. I'd need some documentation that Lifton actually studied TM groups, and what that study consisted of, as well as a quote of his conclusions and his reasons for them. I strongly suspect that, with some help from Singer, he ended up inadvertently trivializing his own work. Why would I want to argue with you about my own experiences in the movement 20 years ago and how I view them? I don't know, Curtis, but you brought up our past discussions, not me. And as the quotes above show, you don't just refer to Lifton's work as useful to understand your own experiences, you cite him as an authority on what goes on in the TMO. Me: I believe that Lifton and Singer offer a valuable insight into what happens to people who are full time in the movement. Yes, we know you believe this. You've asserted it over and over. The point is, you refuse to discuss the specific insights and exactly how you believe they apply. My opinion is that they didn't know as much about the TMO as they thought they did. But to show how that might be the case, we'd need to discuss their insights and how they're said to apply, which you refuse to do. snip If you don't want to discuss your claims that Lifton's criteria apply to the TMO, then STOP MAKING THE CLAIMS. Me: I chose to hear your rude caps in the hysterical voice of Yosemite Sam. It's called EMPHASIS, Curtis. Why a big tough guy like you should feel threatened by capital letters is beyond me. BOO!! Yeah, that works for me. I won't stop expressing my opinions, no need to shout. Of course you won't. My point is that if you refuse to support those opinions in open discussion, they aren't worth a whole lot. I don't hold you or you challenges as authoritative on my
[FairfieldLife] Cell phones and cancer: tip of the iceberg
People should keep in mind that cancer is the least of their worries for this kind of thing anyway. If something causes cancer, its probably causing a host of other health problems that researchers haven't bothered looking at. For example, not every smoker gets lung cancer, but just about every smoker has lower lung capacity and many have badly aging skin. Cell phone effects might be subtle: who notices if they're 10% more irritable? What about if they're gaining enlightenment at a 10% slower pace? http://it.moldova.org/stiri/eng/24632/ LYON, France, Jan. 25 (UPI) -- A European study suggests people using cell phones for 10 or more years have a higher risk of developing brain tumors than do non-cell phone users. The five-nation study involving more than 4,500 people found a statistically significant increase in the incidence of tumors on the side of the head where the users hold their cell phones, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported. Although our results overall do not indicate an increased risk of glioma in relation to mobile phone use, the possible risk in the most heavily exposed part of the brain with long-term use needs to be explored further before firm conclusions can be drawn, the researchers said. The study covering the United Kingdom, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland is to be published next month in the International Journal of Cancer. The research is part of a larger 13-nation research program coordinated by the International Agency for Research on Cancer in Lyon, France, the newspaper reported. Results from all 13 countries are expected to be analyzed and made public later this year. The United States is not included in the research. // Copyright 2007 by United Press International
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, see, Barry, Jim is saying that it isn't up to you to peck anybody else's shell. If they're going to break out, they'll do it on their own, from the inside. Voicing your own criticisms of MMY and the TMO is fine. But you appear to believe that the free discussion charter means not only freedom for you to criticize but also freedom from any challenge to that criticism. Yep- Many times the ones who appear unbalanced and self-righteous to me are those who are trying to challenge the teaching of TM and break boundaries supposedly, without examining their own values. Its a knee-jerk reaction, and an immature and thoughtless approach. I would not categorize any of the posters here on FFL as mindless clones of the TMO. Such thinking wouldn't last two minutes here. And personally whatever anyone chooses to believe here I am totally OK with, as long as they allow me the same freedom. What is galling is this fundamentalist thinking that some here have where even the merest acknowledgement of TM's unvarnished benefits or a mention of Maharishi's exalted state of conciousness sends them into tirades, completely obliterating any consideration of the writer's decades of research and reflection on these subjects. A thoughtful challenge is one thing, but a lack of respect knee-jerk reaction will just generate more of the same.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Dear Mr. Magoo, It's unfortunate, but you prove by your hostility exactly what so many have said before, that for many TM simply does not lead to spirituality as understood in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or even Hinduism. I'm pleased for you that you are pleased with your TM results/experiences. It evidently works for you. Had it occured to you that if it works for me, perhaps some of your concluding comments on the blog may be in error? That's great! Why not simply disagree, whether here or in comments on http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ -- and skip the name calling? Maybe I will, didn' know about the posting. The first 3 sutras that the Maharishi teaches are friendliness, compassion, happiness. You may not realize it, but calling people morons isn't likely to convince others that you are experiencing any of the three. You just betrayed your integrity again by revealing that which was meant to be kept private. John M. Knapp http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ http://trancenet.net/ My contention is the fault is with you Mr. Knapp. MMY and the TMorg just revealed YOU to Yourself, that must be worth something. Are you suggesting here you have no culpability at all?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Support this.....whether you are TM or anti -TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 27, 2007, at 3:04 PM, sparaig wrote: I still want to know why Farokh is down on a few TM rajahs wearing crowns because it might reflect badly on the conservative supporters of his prison program, and then puts photos like these up on his website... Obviously because he bought into the whole 'buy a yagya and outsource your sadhana for world piece / avert danger before it comes' trip. Since he couldn't do it via the movement anymore, he decided to do it on his own. It's interesting to see because it helps you see how silly it all is. The question is does it help you see how silly y'all is?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
Alright Magoo, we have your potting shed surrounded. Come out with your hands up. We know you're in there, don't make us have to kick this potting shed door down. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered no_reply@ wrote: snip Dear Mr. Magoo, It's unfortunate, but you prove by your hostility exactly what so many have said before, that for many TM simply does not lead to spirituality as understood in Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or even Hinduism. I'm pleased for you that you are pleased with your TM results/experiences. It evidently works for you. Had it occured to you that if it works for me, perhaps some of your concluding comments on the blog may be in error? That's great! Why not simply disagree, whether here or in comments on http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ -- and skip the name calling? Maybe I will, didn' know about the posting. The first 3 sutras that the Maharishi teaches are friendliness, compassion, happiness. You may not realize it, but calling people morons isn't likely to convince others that you are experiencing any of the three. You just betrayed your integrity again by revealing that which was meant to be kept private. John M. Knapp http://tmfree.blogspot.com/ http://trancenet.net/ My contention is the fault is with you Mr. Knapp. MMY and the TMorg just revealed YOU to Yourself, that must be worth something. Are you suggesting here you have no culpability at all?
[FairfieldLife] Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. This statement should not be interpreted as an endorsement of the man or his teachings. Just that I believe him to have intended well by his actions. I do not regret learning TM nor practicing it for well over three decades. As it happens I was originally prompted to write his biography as a showcase for some his wonderfully original thinking, it was only after the first few chapters I came to question some of his methods of spreading his beliefs.
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Ducky Morning in France
TurquoiseB wrote: I woke up without an alarm and meditated, then made some coffee and wandered out to the terrace overlooking the river with my computer. It's a beautiful morning, very Springlike, and down below on the river a guy duck -- obviously from another clan and equally obviously inspired by the Springlike morning -- leaped upon one of the babe ducks and attempted to have...uh...congress with her. Whereupon five other guy ducks flew over and started beating the shit out of the one who had been so bold as to want to...uh...infringe upon their territory. They pecked at him and kicked him with their little webbed feet and finally sent him flying off, hopefully out of their lives so that he no longer posed a threat to their all-important pecking order and illusion of control. The babe duck actually looked a little sad, as if she were saying, We were having a good moment there, and you guys had to go and mess it up! The whole scene brought a lump to my throat and made me think fondly of Fairfield Life, so I just thought I'd drop in and ask Judy, Sparaig, Peter Klutz, Nablusos and Jim how *you're* doing this fine morning. Chased off any anti-TM ducks today? So is it t-shirts and shorts weather there or sweaters? Aren't wild animals fun to watch? ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Ducky Morning in France
TurquoiseB wrote: I woke up without an alarm and meditated, then made some coffee and wandered out to the terrace overlooking the river with my computer. It's a beautiful morning, very Springlike, and down below on the river a guy duck -- obviously from another clan and equally obviously inspired by the Springlike morning -- leaped upon one of the babe ducks and attempted to have...uh...congress with her. Whereupon five other guy ducks flew over and started beating the shit out of the one who had been so bold as to want to...uh...infringe upon their territory. They pecked at him and kicked him with their little webbed feet and finally sent him flying off, hopefully out of their lives so that he no longer posed a threat to their all-important pecking order and illusion of control. The babe duck actually looked a little sad, as if she were saying, We were having a good moment there, and you guys had to go and mess it up! The whole scene brought a lump to my throat and made me think fondly of Fairfield Life, so I just thought I'd drop in and ask Judy, Sparaig, Peter Klutz, Nablusos and Jim how *you're* doing this fine morning. Chased off any anti-TM ducks today? So is it t-shirts and shorts weather there or sweaters? Aren't wild animals fun to watch? ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Why Yahoo Sucks!
I'm sure that many of you have received bounced email messages like this: Your email account has been bouncing mails. This means that emails sent to your account over several days have been returned to us. This is sometimes because mail boxes are filled up, or because of configuration problems. Several days? Well I was getting emails from this list up through today and according to the bounce history the (one) bounce occurred on the 24th. The Yahoo programmers must be some of the most incompetent (therefore cheap) in the business. BTW, there is very little email that comes into my account (well may FFL might be a bit) and if Earthlink is down momentarily you'd think that Yahoo could account for this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I don't think Barry, myself, and most others feel hate or are trying to pull meditators off their chosen path. I still meditate regularly. Our attitude, at least mine, is that people will be stronger in their spiritual path if they can learn to look at things honestly without hiding behind unexamined concepts and beliefs. If people don't want to do that, they shouldn't hang out on FFL. [mercy snip 1] And in the meantime, if you don't like others pecking at the shell you've erected around yourself to protect that self from challenging thought, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. There are forums on Yahoo and other places that are DESIGNED for you. Nothing will rock your world or cause you to think there. And *I*, for one, will not be there to bother you or intrude into your bliss. [mercy snip 2] You analogy fails in many respects, most importantly when overlooking the facts on the ground when with Vaj and his likes. You see Vaj is not remotely interested in hacking open anyone's shell. He wants to infect our discussions with a virus that ensures we will molt and rot where we are and never break free from Maya. The big reason he wants to do this is that he doesn't understand the fundamental truth of TM. Thus, what should people who do understand this do - remain forever silent as a sixth-grader in an organized fashion disrupts discussions or do we allow ourselves the liberty to say: okay, Mr Sixth-grader (Vaj) - this is how it really is. Whatever you chose, I think is well within the charter of this forum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
Yo, Paulie - why don't you pour some gas over yourself and lighten up? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. This statement should not be interpreted as an endorsement of the man or his teachings. Just that I believe him to have intended well by his actions. I do not regret learning TM nor practicing it for well over three decades. As it happens I was originally prompted to write his biography as a showcase for some his wonderfully original thinking, it was only after the first few chapters I came to question some of his methods of spreading his beliefs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. This statement should not be interpreted as an endorsement of the man or his teachings. Just that I believe him to have intended well by his actions. I do not regret learning TM nor practicing it for well over three decades. As it happens I was originally prompted to write his biography as a showcase for some his wonderfully original thinking, it was only after the first few chapters I came to question some of his methods of spreading his beliefs. I can appreciate that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. From a post by Paul Mason on TMFree: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick, who wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cell phones and cancer: tip of the iceberg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People should keep in mind that cancer is the least of their worries for this kind of thing anyway. If something causes cancer, its probably causing a host of other health problems that researchers haven't bothered looking at. For example, not every smoker gets lung cancer, but just about every smoker has lower lung capacity and many have badly aging skin. Cell phone effects might be subtle: who notices if they're 10% more irritable? What about if they're gaining enlightenment at a 10% slower pace? http://it.moldova.org/stiri/eng/24632/ LYON, France, Jan. 25 (UPI) -- A European study suggests people using cell phones for 10 or more years have a higher risk of developing brain tumors than do non-cell phone users. ** Bluetoothing should be OK for heavy cell users since it's much lower power, right? I carry a non-bluetooth cell for 20 hrs/wk, but only talk for about 10mins/week, not enough to worry about I believe. I would be a lot more concerned about natural hazards like radon (which is a big problem in Iowa http://www.cheec.uiowa.edu/misc/radon.html ).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright Magoo, we have your potting shed surrounded. Come out with your hands up. We know you're in there, don't make us have to kick this potting shed door down. I swear to God, it wasn't me, it was that nasty MMY and his henchmen, yeah, that's it!! And when I get otta here I'm gonna squeal, ya hear, I'm gonna squeal, I'm tellin' eveybody that'll listen! (If TMblug is interested, I'm sellin' my story too!!) :-) Yuoo...you crackin' me up here! snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Yahoo Sucks!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure that many of you have received bounced email messages like this: Your email account has been bouncing mails. This means that emails sent to your account over several days have been returned to us. This is sometimes because mail boxes are filled up, or because of configuration problems. Several days? Well I was getting emails from this list up through today and according to the bounce history the (one) bounce occurred on the 24th. The Yahoo programmers must be some of the most incompetent (therefore cheap) in the business. BTW, there is very little email that comes into my account (well may FFL might be a bit) and if Earthlink is down momentarily you'd think that Yahoo could account for this. *** Yahoo seems to have the best free spam handling -- I rarely get spam in my inbox, altho the spam folder has hundreds per week. Got any email candidates that are better than yahoo and also free?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. From a post by Paul Mason on TMFree: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick, who wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not. Nice work Judy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
Q. Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic? A. Yup Q. self-promoting A. Yup Q. maverick, A. Yup Q. who wilfully misleads his supporters A. Yup Q. and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Yup Q. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not? A. Yup Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. From a post by Paul Mason on TMFree: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick, who wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not.
[FairfieldLife] Fairfield storm
In Ottumwa, about 400 homes were without power, down from a peak of nearly 10,000 powerless customers over the weekend. In places like Eddyville, Hedrick and Floris, an additional 500 residences were without power, said Alliant Energy spokesman Ryan Stensland. Sigourney had almost 500 customers without power, and in the rural areas around the town, 100 additional homes were black. It could be several days, perhaps a week before we have everyone's power back on, Stensland said. Though Fairfield had 32 homes without electricity on Monday, Stockport, a town of about 284 people, had nearly 200 residences without power. http://www.ottumwacourier.com/local/local_story_057230603.html
[FairfieldLife] Iowa storm dislocation gives Dow worst day in 5 years
Due to the disturbance in the Force in Vedic City/Fairfield? ** Updated at 12:26 p.m., Tuesday, February 27, 2007 Global market plunge gives Dow worst day in 5 years By MADLEN READ Associated Press NEW YORK Stocks had their worst day of trading since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks today, briefly hurtling the Dow Jones industrials down more than 500 points on a worldwide tide of concern that the U.S. and Chinese economies are stumbling and that share prices have become overinflated. The steepness of the market's drop, as well as its global breadth, signaled a possible correction after a long period of stable and steadily rising stock markets, which had not been shaken by such a volatile day of trading in several years. A 9 percent slide in Chinese stocks, which came a day after investors sent Shanghai's benchmark index to a record high close, set the tone for U.S. trading. The Dow began the day falling sharply, and the decline accelerated throughout the course of the session before stocks took a huge plunge in late afternoon as computer-driven sell programs kicked in. The Dow fell 546.02, or 4.3 percent, to 12,086.06 before recovering some ground in the last hour of trading to close down 416.02, or 3.29 percent, at 12,216.24, according to preliminary calculations. Because the worst of the plunge took place after 2:30 p.m., the New York Stock Exchange's trading limits, designed to halt such precipitous moves, were not activated. The decline was the Dow's worst since Sept. 17, 2001, the first trading day after the terror attacks, when the blue chips closed down 684.81, or 7.13 percent. The drop hit every sector of stocks across the market. Riskier issues such as small-cap and technology stocks suffered the biggest declines. But analysts who have been expecting a pullback after a huge rally that began last October and sent the Dow to a series of record highs, were unfazed by today's drop. And some investors also tried to put today's slide into a longer-term perspective. All who invest should feel grateful that we've had a great run for the last 12 to 18 months, said Joel Kleinman, a Washington, D.C. attorney, adding that he has learned to not read too much into any short-term ups and downs. This is another day in the market. Still, traders' dwindling confidence was knocked down further by data showing that the economy may be decelerating more than anticipated. A Commerce Department report that orders for durable goods in January dropped by the largest amount in three months exacerbated jitters about the direction of the U.S. economy, just a day after former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the United States may be headed for a recession. It looks more and more like the economy is a slow growth economy, said Michael Strauss, chief economist at Commonfund. Moderate economic growth is good an abrupt stop in economic growth scares people. The market had been expecting the government on Wednesday to revise its estimate of fourth-quarter GDP growth down to an annual rate of about 2.3 percent from an initial forecast of 3.5 percent, and grew increasingly nervous today that the figure could come in even lower. The housing market, which the Street had been hoping had bottomed out, also looked far from recovery after a Standard Poor's index indicated that single-family home prices across the nation were flat in December. A later report from the National Association of Realtors said existing home sales climbed in January by the largest amount in two years, but the data didn't erase housing-related concerns, as median home prices fell for a sixth straight month. But a growing feeling that Wall Street, which has had a big run-up since October, was due for a correction also played into today's decline. I think that the market was prepared to pull back. The constellation of issues that were worrying the market came to a head, said Quincy Krosby, chief investment strategist at The Hartford. Just a week ago, the Dow had reached new closing and trading highs, rising as high as 12,795.92. The broader Standard Poor's 500 index was down 50.33, or 3.47 percent, at 1,399.04, and the tech-dominated Nasdaq composite index was off 96.65, or 3.86 percent, at 2,407.87. A suicide bomber attack on the main U.S. military base in Afghanistan where Vice President Dick Cheney was visiting also rattled the market. China's stock market plummeted today from record highs as investors took profits when concerns arose that the Chinese government may try to temper its ballooning economy by raising interest rates again or reducing more of the money available for lending. Corrections usually happen because of a catalyst, and this may be it, said Ed Peters, chief investment officer at PanAgora Asset Management. The move in China was a surprise, and when a major market has a shock it ripples through the rest of the market. With all the trade that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Yahoo Sucks!
Yeah, I had the same thing happen--a bounced message and Yahoo! dropped my messages for about 24 hours, then I had to go thru a re- activation routine. On Feb 27, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I'm sure that many of you have received bounced email messages like this: Your email account has been bouncing mails. This means that emails sent to your account over several days have been returned to us. This is sometimes because mail boxes are filled up, or because of configuration problems. Several days? Well I was getting emails from this list up through today and according to the bounce history the (one) bounce occurred on the 24th. The Yahoo programmers must be some of the most incompetent (therefore cheap) in the business. BTW, there is very little email that comes into my account (well may FFL might be a bit) and if Earthlink is down momentarily you'd think that Yahoo could account for this.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q. Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic? A. Yup Q. self-promoting A. Yup Q. maverick, A. Yup Q. who wilfully misleads his supporters A. Yup Q. and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Yup Q. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not? A. Yup Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. I guess it's the words Maharishi is nothing other than... in the question that rather strongly imply exactly such a construction. If MMY is NOTHING OTHER THAN an opportunistic, self- promoting maverick, who wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him, that really doesn't leave a whole lot of room for good intentions. If you'd prefer readers not to draw that inference, perhaps you might consider a bit of rewriting of the question. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. From a post by Paul Mason on TMFree: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick, who wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q. Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic? A. Yup Q. self-promoting A. Yup Q. maverick, A. Yup Q. who wilfully misleads his supporters A. Yup Q. and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Yup Q. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not? A. Yup Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. Suggested rewrite: Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi isn't in it just for the fame or money, but is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting, well- intentioned maverick, who with the best of motives wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poor gullible morons at TM-Free Blog.............
Yeah the words potting shed just need more story around them! Thanks for playing along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Alright Magoo, we have your potting shed surrounded. Come out with your hands up. We know you're in there, don't make us have to kick this potting shed door down. I swear to God, it wasn't me, it was that nasty MMY and his henchmen, yeah, that's it!! And when I get otta here I'm gonna squeal, ya hear, I'm gonna squeal, I'm tellin' eveybody that'll listen! (If TMblug is interested, I'm sellin' my story too!!) :-) Yuoo...you crackin' me up here! snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
Quotes from the characters created by playrights are often wrongly attributed to the writer himself/herself. Although the question and answer was intended to be provocative it was not intended serve as a guide to my opinions of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. But I concede, on reflection, that some might see the remarks otherwise. So, I have taken this opportunity to ammend the online text of this QA, to change the line in question, to bring it more into synch with my own opinion: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick who, though probably well-meaning, wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Q. Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic? A. Yup Q. self-promoting A. Yup Q. maverick, A. Yup Q. who wilfully misleads his supporters A. Yup Q. and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Yup Q. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not? A. Yup Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. Suggested rewrite: Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi isn't in it just for the fame or money, but is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting, well- intentioned maverick, who with the best of motives wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Ducky Morning in France
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I don't think Barry, myself, and most others feel hate or are trying to pull meditators off their chosen path. I still meditate regularly. Our attitude, at least mine, is that people will be stronger in their spiritual path if they can learn to look at things honestly without hiding behind unexamined concepts and beliefs. If people don't want to do that, they shouldn't hang out on FFL. [mercy snip 1] And in the meantime, if you don't like others pecking at the shell you've erected around yourself to protect that self from challenging thought, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. There are forums on Yahoo and other places that are DESIGNED for you. Nothing will rock your world or cause you to think there. And *I*, for one, will not be there to bother you or intrude into your bliss. [mercy snip 2] You analogy fails in many respects, most importantly when overlooking the facts on the ground when with Vaj and his likes. You see Vaj is not remotely interested in hacking open anyone's shell. He wants to infect our discussions with a virus that ensures we will molt and rot where we are and never break free from Maya. The big reason he wants to do this is that he doesn't understand the fundamental truth of TM. Thus, what should people who do understand this do - remain forever silent as a sixth-grader in an organized fashion disrupts discussions or do we allow ourselves the liberty to say: okay, Mr Sixth-grader (Vaj) - this is how it really is. Whatever you chose, I think is well within the charter of this forum. Or possibility three, laugh at his pompous ass!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotes from the characters created by playrights are often wrongly attributed to the writer himself/herself. This isn't a playscript, Paul. In a QA, if the questioner and the respondent aren't explicitly identified as being two different people, any viewpoint expressed without attribution to someone else is assumed to be that of the writer. Moreover, it's clear from the rest of the questions that they were written specifically to match the answers you wanted to give. Although the question and answer was intended to be provocative it was not intended serve as a guide to my opinions of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Well, but the last question (even as you modified it below) is clearly an expression of your opinions of MMY. In conclusion, then refers to your answers to the previous questions; it's obvious that this is the conclusion you believe proceeds from those answers. But I concede, on reflection, that some might see the remarks otherwise. So, I have taken this opportunity to ammend the online text of this QA, to change the line in question, to bring it more into synch with my own opinion: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick who, though probably well-meaning, wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? That's a little better, but why don't you just take out nothing other than? Because if he's really nothing other than all those other unpleasant characterizations, he can't also be well meaning. The words don't add anything, and they flatly *contradict* well meaning. If you feel you just have to have some kind of intensifier, why don't you change nothing other than to really? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Q. Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic? A. Yup Q. self-promoting A. Yup Q. maverick, A. Yup Q. who wilfully misleads his supporters A. Yup Q. and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Yup Q. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not? A. Yup Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. Suggested rewrite: Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi isn't in it just for the fame or money, but is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting, well- intentioned maverick, who with the best of motives wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotes from the characters created by playrights are often wrongly attributed to the writer himself/herself. Although the question and answer was intended to be provocative it was not intended serve as a guide to my opinions of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. But I concede, on reflection, that some might see the remarks otherwise. So, I have taken this opportunity to ammend the online text of this QA, to change the line in question, to bring it more into synch with my own opinion: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick who, though probably well-meaning, wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? The real question, if your conclusion is right, then is,...why, and do the ends justify the means. I think with MMY perhaps so. The only thing I would take issue with you is 'self-promoting', perhaps you should use that with a capital 'S' as in Self(God) promoting, isn't that closer to his real character?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotes from the characters created by playrights are often wrongly attributed to the writer himself/herself. Although the question and answer was intended to be provocative it was not intended serve as a guide to my opinions of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Who do you think you are fooling? Grow a spine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Q. Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic? A. Yup Q. self-promoting A. Yup Q. maverick, A. Yup Q. who wilfully misleads his supporters A. Yup Q. and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? A. Yup Q. Some say the TM method is a good one, some say not? A. Yup Although I believe that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has used deceptive means to spread the teaching of transcendental meditation, I am confident that his motives have been well intended. Although I have voiced criticism of Maharishi, it should not be construed that I believe him to have just been in it for the money or the fame. Suggested rewrite: Isn't it true to say that the Maharishi isn't in it just for the fame or money, but is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting, well- intentioned maverick, who with the best of motives wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? Q: What is the problem with Paul Mason - is it that he is a closet-hater of all things TMO? A: Not exactly. Q: Then what is? A: The real problem with Paul Mason is that has so far been unable to work up the spine to come out of the closet with who he is and openly admit his orientation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
Confronted with the prospect of millions of people saying no to the religious sounding meditation that he was teaching, one can see why he might be tempted to tinker some. Whether the work he put in (and he has put a lot a lot of work in) really worked out, must be a personal evaluation. Meditation, for all the hype about changing the world, is fundamentally about sitting down, resting and getting a bit more cosmic. No meter or statistic is going to answer the question satisfactorilly, only individuals. As for self-promoting, I don't suppose there can be any real doubt that he has lapped up the adulation and praise, hugely. But in his defence he has deflected a good deal of the adoration towards his deceased master, and that is wise. Personally, I wouldn't say that modest was one of his middle names, but then who cares? You either enjoying meditating or not. That is the bottom line. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Quotes from the characters created by playrights are often wrongly attributed to the writer himself/herself. Although the question and answer was intended to be provocative it was not intended serve as a guide to my opinions of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. But I concede, on reflection, that some might see the remarks otherwise. So, I have taken this opportunity to ammend the online text of this QA, to change the line in question, to bring it more into synch with my own opinion: Q. In conclusion then, isn't it true to say that the Maharishi is nothing other than an opportunistic, self-promoting maverick who, though probably well-meaning, wilfully misleads his supporters and anyone else who has the time, the inclination and the money to listen to him? The real question, if your conclusion is right, then is,...why, and do the ends justify the means. I think with MMY perhaps so. The only thing I would take issue with you is 'self-promoting', perhaps you should use that with a capital 'S' as in Self(God) promoting, isn't that closer to his real character?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
By the way, Paul, if you didn't see it, you might want to have a look at post #132989, in which I analyzed a few of your questions and answers with a view to explaining why I think the whole QA is a crock.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Q: What is the problem with Paul Mason - is it that he is a closet-hater of all things TMO? A: Not exactly. Q: Then what is? A: The real problem with Paul Mason is that has so far been unable to work up the spine to come out of the closet with who he is and openly admit his orientation. That's certainly *my* problem with Paul Mason: not his negative opinions of MMY, but his inability to be straightforward about where he stands. I don't know why that should be the case; perhaps he fears cutting himself off from some of his pro-TM sources if he's too open about what he thinks of MMY? Maybe he's afraid it would hurt the sales of his book? I think he does himself and his credibility a lot more damage by not saying what he really thinks. He can't keep the extreme negativity out of what he says, but he sort of slips it in sideways, as innuendo, and as a result comes across as slimy and hypocritical and cowardly.
[FairfieldLife] Spine donor needed (Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM ... )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [gargamount mercy snip] Anyone with a spare spine we could give to Mr Mason?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti-TM or anti-MMY
Q. Okay, just what does one do if a complete stranger starts launching verbal attacks on you? A. One can use it as an opportunity to practice tolerance in the face of intoleration I suppose. FFL seems to be full of such opportunities these days, despite it being against the guidelines of such groups. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Quotes from the characters created by playrights are often wrongly attributed to the writer himself/herself. Although the question and answer was intended to be provocative it was not intended serve as a guide to my opinions of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Who do you think you are fooling? Grow a spine.
[FairfieldLife] Spine donor needed (Re: Just for the record - Paul Mason is not anti ... )
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q. Okay, just what does one do if a complete stranger starts launching verbal attacks on you? A. One can use it as an opportunity to practice tolerance in the face of intoleration I suppose. FFL seems to be full of such opportunities these days, despite it being against the guidelines of such groups. A. Accept some sound medical advice. Grow a spine. :-)
