[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You must be unaware of brahma-raakshasa-s. They are higher than mere humans and more dangerous than most people recognize. For example, Vag is probably a reborn brahma-rakshasa rather than a mere manushya-astika (i.e. vedic denier) although he has the guna-s of both of them. Are you refferring to Vaj on FFL ? Just curious, if 'Vag' is short for 'vagina', what could, pray tell, be the point?! I guess that's rather equivalent of calling someone a cunt??
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
According to the Srimad Bhagavatam, the rakshasas are the minions or servants of Lord Yama, the god of death. They are by definition, as human eaters, lower than human beings. In other words, they are beings who are unable to comprehend or apprehend the finer aspects of consciousness, or the unified field. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: You must be unaware of brahma-raakshasa-s. They are higher than mere humans and more dangerous than most people recognize. For example, Vag is probably a reborn brahma-rakshasa rather than a mere manushya-astika (i.e. vedic denier) although he has the guna-s of both of them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Bhairitu: Of course but until they fall down you have to fight them or they will harm you. I don't think you would want to stand around and just let a mythical rakshasa eat you alive... You guys need to read a history book. In the Ramayana it is Rama the Hindu that calls the Buddhists of Ceylon 'rakshasas' and try to kill them. Get some smarts! The term 'rakshasas' you are using stands for racial purity of the Caucasian race. Why are you two insisting on speaking a language you can't even understand? You got everything backwards! According to vedic literature, human beings are actually higher than the rakshasas in the natural order of things on earth. So, the wickedness of the rakshasas become their own downfall, e.g. Hitler and the Third Reich...
[FairfieldLife] Give us this day our daily fix - FFLers as drugs
The sad but predictable demise of Amy Winehouse and the inevitable discussion of drugs, combined with other even more predictable topics that arose like clockwork overnight on FFL got me to thinking about drugs, and their relationship to obsession. I think a case can be made for obsession being a form of drug addiction. Those who obsess on another human being, especially for long periods of time, seem to share a lot of traits with long-term drug addicts. So, naturally, my warped mind being what it is, I started to amuse myself by trying to figure out *which* drugs certain FFL posters were most like, given the behavior of the folks who obsess on them. Be warned. :-) I tried to imagine a die-hard FDA or DEA agent stumbling onto Fairfield Life, noticing the prevalence of obsessive behavior, and assuming that drugs were involved. Which drugs would such an agent map to which posters? Would the posters who consistently provoked the most responses from other posters be Schedule I drugs (addictive, no real medical benefits) or Schedule II drugs (some medical benefits, yet still very addictive and with nasty side effects). Would the posters who rarely get replied to -- especially in a consistently obsessive way -- be categorized as non-drugs, or as fairly benevolent recreational chemicals? Here's my shot at it: I'm thinking that Agent Smith would probably categorize MZ (Robin) as Ecstasy, laced with a little ketamine, and swilled down with an energy drink like Red Bull. Not everybody's cuppa tea, but if you're the kinda user who wants to dance all night to essentially the same song, infinitely repeated with only minor variations like Techno music, this is the drug of choice for you. Curtis would be a good Moroccan hash. NOT that downer hash from India or the Himalayas that leaves you not only flat on your back unable to move but kinda depressed and not enjoying it very much. No, Curtis hash produces a high buzz, often accompanied by great clarity, and even more often accompanied by laughter. The Curtis drug is non-addicting, so those who enjoy it do so when it's around, but don't miss it overmuch when it's not. On the other hand, Just Say No zealots who don't like the sight of other people laughing often crave it desperately, and hope that a new batch of Curtis hits the streets soon, just so they can rag on it. Vaj would probably be classified by Agent Smith as heroin, or possibly PCP, the latter because a little taste of it seems to make some users bat-shit crazy, and violent. One of the things that would lead to Vaj being mapped to heroin is the attempt by those who obsess on him to portray folks who either like his posts or fail to condemn them as low-life junkies shooting up in some darkened alley. Barry is clearly cocaine. Some users seem to enjoy the momentary buzz, but neither crave it nor obsess on it. For others, however, it's very addictive, and very much like the olde one-liner: A little snort of cocaine makes you feel like a new man; the only trouble is that the first thing the new man wants is a little snort of cocaine. Those who obsess on the Barry drug -- especially negatively -- seem to crave it desperately, and even see it where it really isn't. It's like coke heads I've known who would compulsively assume that any white powder they see spilled on a table or kitchen counter was cocaine, and thus end up grabbing a straw and snorting up vast quantities of white flour or powdered sugar. And the amazing thing is that the ones who do this seem to get just as bent behind their imaginary cocaine as they would the real thing. Real Barry-coke or placebo Barry-coke, it doesn't matter; all it takes is a snort of something that reminds them of Barry and they start acting like Andy Garcia's character in the film 8 Million Ways To Die or Al Pacino's character in Scarface. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep and TM (are youstill there RC?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Could you try translating that to English, please? Thanks. L. Just noticed that Vyaasa's comment(ary?) of that suutra is quite a lot simpler (less mystifying than Bhoja's). I'll try to translate that next week. Just tried to do that, but had to give up because that's quite a lot trickier than I first thought. :/ http://www.yogaawayoflife.net/serv04.htm
[FairfieldLife] What kind of meditation did the Buddha teach?
http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/07/the-buddhas-meditation--dr-evan-finkelstein/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good by Amy, you will be missed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: We really have to get this drug-synapse connection handled. I am sick of losing people to this shit. At her best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVBoXtxD0Rsplaynext=1list=PL2D4F755C610950CA I was SO not a fan, Curtis. I don't think I'd ever listened to a single one of her songs, largely because I couldn't get past her public image as Out Of Control Girl. I was too late to see the YouTube link you posted (the poster seems to have closed his/her account), but today one of my Facebook friends posted a link that got me over my aversion and forced me to listen to my first Amy Winehouse song. It's the choice of song that did it. This song is one of my guilty favorites from my own teenage years. Written by Carole King and then-husband Gerry Goffin for the Shirelles, I was such a lovesick sap at 15 that I used to listen to it over and over. Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwN806lLKZQ The other Shirelles song I used to obsess on, this one written by Burt Bacharach. To this day, I still love the cheezy Farfiza organ solo and the breathy vocals by Shirley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvoNmBLhVI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good by Amy, you will be missed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: We really have to get this drug-synapse connection handled. I am sick of losing people to this shit. At her best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVBoXtxD0Rsplaynext=1list=PL2D4F755C610950CA I was SO not a fan, Curtis. I don't think I'd ever listened to a single one of her songs, largely because I couldn't get past her public image as Out Of Control Girl. I was too late to see the YouTube link you posted (the poster seems to have closed his/her account), but today one of my Facebook friends posted a link that got me over my aversion and forced me to listen to my first Amy Winehouse song. It's the choice of song that did it. This song is one of my guilty favorites from my own teenage years. Written by Carole King and then-husband Gerry Goffin for the Shirelles, I was such a lovesick sap at 15 that I used to listen to it over and over. Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwN806lLKZQ The other Shirelles song I used to obsess on, this one written by Burt Bacharach. To this day, I still love the cheezy Farfiza organ solo and the breathy vocals by Shirley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvoNmBLhVI Sorry, the second link was bad. This is the song I meant to post, Baby It's You: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_a0It39zBg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give us this day our daily fix - FFLers as drugs
I remember when Jimi Hendrix died, also in London, also at age 27, that it was automatically attributed to drugs. Apparently the case has been made that he was murdered by the forced introduction of alcohol which caused him to choke. In Jimi's case it was not drugs that caused his demise as is widely thought. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: The sad but predictable demise of Amy Winehouse and the inevitable discussion of drugs, combined with other even more predictable topics that arose like clockwork overnight on FFL got me to thinking about drugs, and their relationship to obsession. I think a case can be made for obsession being a form of drug addiction. Those who obsess on another human being, especially for long periods of time, seem to share a lot of traits with long-term drug addicts. So, naturally, my warped mind being what it is, I started to amuse myself by trying to figure out *which* drugs certain FFL posters were most like, given the behavior of the folks who obsess on them. Be warned. :-) I tried to imagine a die-hard FDA or DEA agent stumbling onto Fairfield Life, noticing the prevalence of obsessive behavior, and assuming that drugs were involved. Which drugs would such an agent map to which posters? Would the posters who consistently provoked the most responses from other posters be Schedule I drugs (addictive, no real medical benefits) or Schedule II drugs (some medical benefits, yet still very addictive and with nasty side effects). Would the posters who rarely get replied to -- especially in a consistently obsessive way -- be categorized as non-drugs, or as fairly benevolent recreational chemicals? Here's my shot at it: I'm thinking that Agent Smith would probably categorize MZ (Robin) as Ecstasy, laced with a little ketamine, and swilled down with an energy drink like Red Bull. Not everybody's cuppa tea, but if you're the kinda user who wants to dance all night to essentially the same song, infinitely repeated with only minor variations like Techno music, this is the drug of choice for you. Curtis would be a good Moroccan hash. NOT that downer hash from India or the Himalayas that leaves you not only flat on your back unable to move but kinda depressed and not enjoying it very much. No, Curtis hash produces a high buzz, often accompanied by great clarity, and even more often accompanied by laughter. The Curtis drug is non-addicting, so those who enjoy it do so when it's around, but don't miss it overmuch when it's not. On the other hand, Just Say No zealots who don't like the sight of other people laughing often crave it desperately, and hope that a new batch of Curtis hits the streets soon, just so they can rag on it. Vaj would probably be classified by Agent Smith as heroin, or possibly PCP, the latter because a little taste of it seems to make some users bat-shit crazy, and violent. One of the things that would lead to Vaj being mapped to heroin is the attempt by those who obsess on him to portray folks who either like his posts or fail to condemn them as low-life junkies shooting up in some darkened alley. Barry is clearly cocaine. Some users seem to enjoy the momentary buzz, but neither crave it nor obsess on it. For others, however, it's very addictive, and very much like the olde one-liner: A little snort of cocaine makes you feel like a new man; the only trouble is that the first thing the new man wants is a little snort of cocaine. Those who obsess on the Barry drug -- especially negatively -- seem to crave it desperately, and even see it where it really isn't. It's like coke heads I've known who would compulsively assume that any white powder they see spilled on a table or kitchen counter was cocaine, and thus end up grabbing a straw and snorting up vast quantities of white flour or powdered sugar. And the amazing thing is that the ones who do this seem to get just as bent behind their imaginary cocaine as they would the real thing. Real Barry-coke or placebo Barry-coke, it doesn't matter; all it takes is a snort of something that reminds them of Barry and they start acting like Andy Garcia's character in the film 8 Million Ways To Die or Al Pacino's character in Scarface. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Mark - Well that's my I shared my personal experience not involving my Guru, it really doesn't matter where the teacher is a Satguru or not, enlightened or not since the circle is only complete when we ourselves become enlightened and then the question of the teacher is a Sadguru or not becomes moot. But for many the trust that the teacher is a Satguru itself is liberating regardless of whether the teacher is one or not. So ultimately its back to our own experiences and all spiritual techniques/concepts being merely tools to transcend and not some literal truth. With regards to sexual frustration I was just saying that all we can notice is some behavior that is off or odd or different - whether it is sexual or not, frustration or not is just a judgment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Hi Ravi, I agree with most of what you say here with 1 possible and 1 definite exception. Firstly, you seem to be holding M as pure Satguru. This, of course, is your prerogative. But, if so, we have no basis for discussion, because any blemish, shadow or dysfunction seen in him would, by definition, be pure projection of the observer. I hold that no human is pure Satguru, though Satguru exists in all things. If human, the possibility of blemish, shadow or dysfunction could, at any time, arise in any person, guru or not, and be truly perceived by a discerning observer and not be projection. Secondly, the statement sexual frustration is just a judgment is downright silly. Sexual frustration is an event, like sex, that can occur within anyone. Unlike sex, which is, traditionally, a physical act between two physical bodies, sexual frustration is a psycho-physical-emotional-energetic complex that arises within an individual and can effect their mind, body, mood and appearance and spill over into overt behavioral acts. Because it occurs within the individual, it's harder to perceive and more prone to projection. But, with discernment on the part of the observer, it could reliably be perceive in another as reality and not projection, especially if it occurs regularly ever long periods of time and affects the mood, appearance and behavior of the individual in which it is occurring. What is YMMV? On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote: Mark - Thanks for your reply. I have to clarify that at no point I suggested or would ever imply that you were an imbecile or reborn as a donkey for the things you said about MMY otherwise I wouldn't have wished for your success. I hope I can try to address your points and further clarify my thoughts. So, just as an example, if I say M slept with women and got sexually frustrated when he couldn't get any, what kind of statement is this? Is it purely my projection? Is it a moral judgement? Is it objective? Is it subjective? Is it true? Is it false? Is it cavil? Will I be reborn a donkey for saying it? M slept with women would be reality and portrayal of his behavior as sexual frustration is just a judgment and most likely your projection. Because, as Robin says, the images that forced themselves upon us forced us to revise our estimation of the man I wouldn't have revised the estimation, that would be swinging to the other direction, I would have doubted my initial estimation. I explained before how a Satguru as a perfect mirror, of pure awareness, would cause an array of dizzying, bewildering, conflicting emotions. However if one is aware we would find this opportunity in our day to day interactions. Any person or situation that causes bewildering, conflicting emotions would be our Guru, would point to the core pains that haven't been healed within us. This will definitely happen in any loving, intimate relationship and a relationship with someone like M definitely surpasses that. In my life my ex caused these kind of emotions, I madly loved her, so my initial estimation of her was very positive but soon over the years, she caused me lot of grief which caused me to revise my estimation like you. I was bitter, angry, miserable. But eventually I realized that all these emotions were all mine, she was who she was, but by her very nature she created this array of emotions in me, she was much more of a Guru than my Guru Ammachi. Now I just look at her, I just look at the reality, untainted, undisturbed by my own pain. Once I was healed, I was free to truly act without projecting any of my pains, I was free of the grip, grip of my own fears, insecurities, pains reflected by the other, which can only be caused by a deep intimate relationship. A deep intimate relationship where the center falls to the other, a great start but not the end, the end isn't until the center falls back in to you, into your own core. Till you are tethered to the other, the fascination continues, the blame continues, since you are not to blame. How could you be blamed? You are innocent, gullible, you are a victim, the other
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Mark - yes, just as Judy and Turq have clarified on the acronym. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Good, thanks On Jul 23, 2011, at 8:49 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Hmm, thank you, t. Might it also be a semi-arrogant way of saying each of you will absorb my wisdom according to your capabilities? Not really, Mark. It's more like, This works for me, it may not work for you. The phrase itself involves no judgment; it's a disclaimer (as was the original, with regard to a mileage claim in an ad for a new car). snip On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:57 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Mark, YMMV stands for Your Mileage May Vary, an Internet way of saying Make up your own mind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
A beautiful post - not sure how long you have been on FFL, but it doesn't look like you have been here for too long; this list is full of people engaging in intellectual masturbation. FYI - You will be laughed and mocked at with your values of innocence, faith, trust, humility, personal responsibility etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 no_reply@... wrote: Seems that my post had intended and unintended consequences. Is it ever right to speak I'll of someone including Maharishi? Would speaking the sweet truth be karmically more beneficial? Does He who is without sin cast the first stone apply here? Are people forgetting that everyone is seeing things through the color of their glasses and that many of the points discussed are assuming that others are seeing things with the same tint? Especially when it comes to the subtleties of delineating the points raised here, seems that people are assuming everyone has the same color glasses. Also there seems to be a lot of mental masturbation going on, purging stress from the intellect, etc. I remember Maharishi saying I'm only human. It was the first time my sense of him being infallible was questioned. Much of what people seem to be just now discovering was revealed long ago by Maharishi himself. Everyone has doubts in their spiritual journey, seems to be part of the process, whether doubting the teacher, or the knowledge, or one's ability to experience. What I find curious is how people that have incredible experiences that they attribute to what they received from Maharishi are still motivated to say things about him that are very negative. What's the point, the purpose? Is it to save people from misunderstanding who their perception of Maharishi is for their own good? Is to to vent dissatisfaction with one's own lack of experience? Everyone questions different things about what they have observed, but to express or support a point of view that is unfavorable, what's the real reason/benefit? What happened to speaking the sweet truth? What happened to innocence? Maybe when the Knowledge and Maharishi is filtered through the craziness of the times we live in it's inevitable that all kinds of misunderstandings and wrong perceptions are going to take place. I think the passage of time has humbled all of us. Maybe we miss the sweetness of the good ol days. But who knows maybe something quite remarkable is just around the corner.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give us this day our daily fix - FFLers as drugs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tedadams108 no_reply@... wrote: I remember when Jimi Hendrix died, also in London, also at age 27, that it was automatically attributed to drugs. Apparently the case has been made that he was murdered by the forced introduction of alcohol which caused him to choke. In Jimi's case it was not drugs that caused his demise as is widely thought. Someone's been watching too much This Is Spinal Tap, not realizing it was a mockumentary. Like the part where one of their drummers choked to death on vomit, But it was someone else's vomit. [When asked what happened to their first drummer] David St. Hubbins: He died in a bizarre gardening accident... Nigel Tufnel: Authorities said... best leave it... unsolved. Marty DiBergi: Now, during the Flower People period, who was your drummer? David St. Hubbins: Stumpy's replacement, Peter James Bond. He also died in mysterious circumstances. We were playing a, uh... Nigel Tufnel: ...Festival. David St. Hubbins: Jazz blues festival. Where was that? Nigel Tufnel: Blues jazz, really. Derek Smalls: Blues jazz festival. Misnamed. Nigel Tufnel: It was in the Isle of, uh... David St. Hubbins: Isle of Lucy. The Isle of Lucy jazz and blues festival. Nigel Tufnel: And, uh, it was tragic, really. He exploded on stage. Derek Smalls: Just like that. David St. Hubbins: He just went up. Nigel Tufnel: He just was like a flash of green light... And that was it. Nothing was left. David St. Hubbins: Look at his face. Nigel Tufnel: Well, there was... David St. Hubbins: It's true, this really did happen. Nigel Tufnel: It's true. There was a little green globule on his drum seat. David St. Hubbins: Like a stain, really. Nigel Tufnel: It was more of a stain than a globule, actually. David St. Hubbins: You know, several, you know, dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The sad but predictable demise of Amy Winehouse and the inevitable discussion of drugs, combined with other even more predictable topics that arose like clockwork overnight on FFL got me to thinking about drugs, and their relationship to obsession. I think a case can be made for obsession being a form of drug addiction. Those who obsess on another human being, especially for long periods of time, seem to share a lot of traits with long-term drug addicts. So, naturally, my warped mind being what it is, I started to amuse myself by trying to figure out *which* drugs certain FFL posters were most like, given the behavior of the folks who obsess on them. Be warned. :-) I tried to imagine a die-hard FDA or DEA agent stumbling onto Fairfield Life, noticing the prevalence of obsessive behavior, and assuming that drugs were involved. Which drugs would such an agent map to which posters? Would the posters who consistently provoked the most responses from other posters be Schedule I drugs (addictive, no real medical benefits) or Schedule II drugs (some medical benefits, yet still very addictive and with nasty side effects). Would the posters who rarely get replied to -- especially in a consistently obsessive way -- be categorized as non-drugs, or as fairly benevolent recreational chemicals? Here's my shot at it: I'm thinking that Agent Smith would probably categorize MZ (Robin) as Ecstasy, laced with a little ketamine, and swilled down with an energy drink like Red Bull. Not everybody's cuppa tea, but if you're the kinda user who wants to dance all night to essentially the same song, infinitely repeated with only minor variations like Techno music, this is the drug of choice for you. Curtis would be a good Moroccan hash. NOT that downer hash from India or the Himalayas that leaves you not only flat on your back unable to move but kinda depressed and not enjoying it very much. No, Curtis hash produces a high buzz, often accompanied by great clarity, and even more often accompanied by laughter. The Curtis drug is non-addicting, so those who enjoy it do so when it's around, but don't miss it overmuch when it's not. On the other hand, Just Say No zealots who don't like the sight of other people laughing often crave it desperately, and hope that a new batch of Curtis hits the streets soon, just so they can rag on it. Vaj would probably be classified by Agent Smith as heroin, or possibly PCP, the latter because a little taste of it seems to make some users bat-shit crazy, and violent. One of the things that would lead to Vaj being mapped to heroin is the attempt by those who obsess on him to portray folks who either like his posts or fail to condemn them as low-life junkies shooting up in some darkened alley. Barry is clearly cocaine. Some users seem to enjoy the momentary buzz, but neither crave it nor obsess on it. For others, however, it's very addictive, and very
[FairfieldLife] Re: ZomGas 1 (was Zombie in My Gas Tank)
Bob, In continuation of the earlier email I'm really touched by the persistence; the admiration and attachment you have developed to this stupid Yogi in such a relatively short time. This is really admirable quality of yours besides your writing skills that are superior to the Curtis's and the Barry's of this list. I couldn't get back to you quickly because the weekends on mine are usually busy with dates, movies and clubs hope you understand. Not to mention I composed this message while working. I am definitely inspired to make this ZomGas show of yours a success. However I'm disappointed that you have been short sighted by your admiration for me and have forgotten the things that are needed to make your show a success. Now that you have endeared yourself to me I'm forced to show all my cards to you. I was testing with your short messages so far and suffice to say you have passed this critical phase. And as you know I'm brutally honest with people I love and here you go. I'm so glad you watched the video and I'm really glad you noticed the WTF moment with the split screen and my references to Zombies at 24:10 and I totally agree with your suggestions. But I am thoroughly disappointed with your answers to the questions, the list of questions itself is great. But you son of a bitch, you, *laughs*, you completely messed up the answers. I asked you to watch the show so you could pay attention to my acting skills, the verbal expressions. The answers were made up for the BATGAP audience. The answers needed for our ZomGas show are completely different. We are trying to target un-evolved low-vibe slime-ball writers here, remember? You probably weren't around last year at FFL, but I tried the very same tactic here. I tried to fashion myself as the Guru for the bottomof the can un-evolved here, I identified several who met the criteria, but inspite of my grand appearance I failed because I came on too strong as usual(biggest complaint of the women I flirt with BTW..LOL). I was new and didn't have any admirers here in the un-evolved bottom of the can low-vibe slime-ball wannabe writers. You know how I explained your yogi's mind is like the lake in your Narcissus story. I was thinking of how to respond to you and the movie The Shawshank Redemption was on and the word redemption struck. The existence always provides the answer to this mad yogi. Now you have filled the missing piece. I'm so thrilled; you can bridge the gap here. You are from the same target pool, you speak their language and you have the admiration for this mad yogi. So please we need to revise the answers. We also need tocome up with a new honorific title instead of yogi. These idiots have a big hang-up for Yogi, it's too much for the low vibe writer brains to wrap around. One idiot here uses a particular gemstone as his alias, I loved Lapis Lazuli so something like Ravi Lapis or Lazuliwould work, but I am not good at this and don't see the point when I have your beautiful writing skills combined with the un-evolved low vibe slime-ball mindset. Start attending parties, hang out at the places these sexually repressed assholes visit. Find out the kind of women they like, the things they admire, the boos they like, the religions(mostly Buddhist) these morons follow, so you can help me act my agenda at ZomGas accordingly. Looks like these retards don't like Chatting Cathy's (thanks to you and Barry for that), checkout Curtis's writing as well, plenty of stuff on on the kind of women he likes (women who don't complain). I didn't need all this help for my BATGAP act because it came naturally but I need all your help for this ZomGas show. I have the right acting skills, the charisma(read Narcissus) and the support of you to make this is a hit show. And need I remind you again YOU ARE the very un-evolved, low-vibe, slime-ball writer base we are targeting, go wring these writers you bastard *laughs*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: I apologize in advance for the excessively loquacious nature of this post, I asked the wife what that meant and she said: If you don't want to be thought of a pompous ass, just say you're being a Chatty Cathy. Ravi, I was thrilled when you took the time to answer my post a second time. In fact, I was so thrilled I took your advice and watched your interview on BatGap. I was not disappointed! It took all-the limited vessel, that I am to take in just a small fraction of the illumination you and Rick shared in the interview. It happened like a thunderbolt!!! It was like the ugly head of my Kundalini snarled and almost gave me whip lash as my heart chakra blossomed and the illumination poured in like a cool spring on a hot summers day. Of course you know to what I refer because as we both know you set the whole lila up (not Ricks cat-as much as I love Rick, I can promise you there will be no Dan Rather moments of
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You must be unaware of brahma-raakshasa-s. They are higher than mere humans and more dangerous than most people recognize. For example, Vag is probably a reborn brahma-rakshasa rather than a mere manushya-astika (i.e. vedic denier) although he has the guna-s of both of them. Are you refferring to Vaj on FFL ? It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Jim and Rory, souls in the know on this. We already know Vaj to be one in a couple of donkeys and jackasses posting here. * * If you're asking me, Vaj is exactly like every one of us mere humans: a Maharishi (in every sense of the word, spanning the whole range of creation)-- Dumbledore and Voldemort, devata and rakshasa; supremely enlightened, supremely passionate, supremely ignorant; ordinary and extraordinary all in one and all at once -- simultaneously absolutely no-thing and a kaleidoscopic mix of every quality in creation; a mirror, an emptiful screen upon which we delight in playing out our various dramas as if they are somehow not-Us :-) Why did I ask you for an opinion ? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: FairfieldLife] ZomGas 1 (was Zombie in My Gas Tank)
Bob, check with me before you invite the next guest - she IS our target audience you fucking moron :-). BTW, Sal is one of the biggest fans of Barry Wright. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Sal, I'm wondering if you might consider being my next guest on ZomGas? I could send you the 20 questions without the answers. The questions beg for pithy answers which I know are right up your alley. On FFL,we have plastic enlightenment, editors using urban dictionaries, men wearing lipstick and women referring to male genitalia they can't seem to find. IMO, some of this stuff is getting a bit old hat, but plastic sexism thats something brand sp**king new and ZomGas wants to own this topic. What do you say? From: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 7:01:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ZomGas 1 (was Zombie in My Gas Tank)  On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Bob Price wrote: I apologize in advance for the excessively loquacious nature of this post, I asked the wife what that meant and she said: If you don't want to be thought of a pompous ass, just say you're being a Chatty Cathy. In which case you'll be  thought of as a sexist pig instead.  Which might be a step up. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You must be unaware of brahma-raakshasa-s. They are higher than mere humans and more dangerous than most people recognize. For example, Vag is probably a reborn brahma-rakshasa rather than a mere manushya-astika (i.e. vedic denier) although he has the guna-s of both of them. Are you refferring to Vaj on FFL ? It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Jim and Rory, souls in the know on this. We already know Vaj to be one in a couple of donkeys and jackasses posting here. * * If you're asking me, Vaj is exactly like every one of us mere humans: a Maharishi (in every sense of the word, spanning the whole range of creation)-- Dumbledore and Voldemort, devata and rakshasa; supremely enlightened, supremely passionate, supremely ignorant; ordinary and extraordinary all in one and all at once -- simultaneously absolutely no-thing and a kaleidoscopic mix of every quality in creation; a mirror, an emptiful screen upon which we delight in playing out our various dramas as if they are somehow not-Us :-) Beautiful response Rory, loved it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Well I guess everyone is happy now. Ravi got his pat, you got to drag Barry into a completely unrelated conversation Ravi got no pat, and the conversation was by no means unrelated to Barry. and I get to call you a sour little plum. And you become a sleazeball when you're responding to a hostile challenge. At least he is showing heart, his attempts at the Nice Guy mask (or Wonderful Guy as you refer to) are kind of hard to watch :-) But anyway I agree with your earlier statement - two people could come to similar conclusions independently. Any reasonable person can see that our views are dramatically different except the fact that Curtis has a hard time taking ethical stand because of his nice or wonderful guy persona that he wants to project. I was speaking from my own insights, whereas you have covered it from a different angle. Either way Curtis, I love your attacking messages more than your nice guy wimpy ones.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ZomGas 1 (was Zombie in My Gas Tank)
Bob, In continuation of the earlier email I'm really touched by the persistence; the admiration and attachment you have developed to this stupid Yogi in such a relatively short time. This is really admirable quality of yours besides your writing skills that are superior to the Curtis's and the Barry's of this list. I couldn't get back to you quickly because the weekends on mine are usually busy with dates, movies and clubs hope you understand. I am definitely inspired to make this ZomGas show of yours a success. However I'm disappointed that you have been short sighted by your admiration for me and have forgotten the things that are needed to make your show a success. Now that you have endeared yourself to me I'm forced to show all my cards to you. I was testing with your short messages so far and suffice to say you have passed this critical phase. And as you know I'm brutally honest with people I love and here you go. I'm so glad you watched the video and I'm really glad you noticed the wtf moment with the split screen and my references to Zombies at 24:10 and I totally agree with your suggestions. But I am thoroughly disappointed with your answers to the questions, the list of questions itself is great. But you son of a bitch, you, *laughs*, you completely messed up the answers. I asked you to watch the show so you could pay attention to my acting skills, the verbal expressions. The answers were made up for the batgap audience. The answers needed for our ZomGas show are completely different. We are trying to target un-evolved low-vibe slime-ball writers here, remember? You probably weren't around last year at FFL, but I tried the very same tactic here. I tried to fashion myself as the Guru for the bottom of the can un-evolved here, I identified several who met the criteria, but in spite of my grand appearance I failed because I came on too strong as usual(biggest complaint of the women I flirt with..LOL). I was new and didn't have any admirers here in the un-evolved bottom of the can low-vibe slime-ball wannabe writers. You know how I explained your yogi's mind is like the lake in your Narcissus story. I was thinking of how to respond to you and the movie The Shawshank Redemption was on and the word redemption struck. The existence always provides the answer to this mad yogi. Now you have filled the missing piece. I'm so thrilled; you can bridge the gap here. You are from the same target pool, you speak their language and you have the admiration for this mad yogi. So please we need to revise the answers. We also need to come up with a new honorific title instead of yogi. These idiots have a big hang-up for Yogi, it's too much for the low vibe writer brains to wrap around. One idiot here uses a gemstone, I loved Lapis Lazuli so something like Ravi Lapis would work, but I am not good at this and don't see the point when I have your beautiful writing skills combined with the un-evolved low vibe slime-ball mindset. Start attending parties, hang out at the places these sexually repressed assholes visit. Find out the kind of women they like, the things they admire so you can help me act my agenda at ZomGas accordingly. Looks like these retards don't like Chatting Cathy's (thanks to you and Barry for that), checkout Curtis's writing as well plenty of stuff on on the kind of women he likes (women who don't complain). I didn't need all this help for my batgap act because it came naturally but I need all your help for this ZomGas show. I have the right acting skills, the charisma and the support of you to make this is a hit show. And need I remind you again YOU are the very un-evolved low-vibe slime-ball writer base we are targeting, go wring these writers you bastard *laughs*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: I apologize in advance for the excessively loquacious nature of this post, I asked the wife what that meant and she said: If you don't want to be thought of a pompous ass, just say you're being a Chatty Cathy. Ravi, I was thrilled when you took the time to answer my post a second time. In fact, I was so thrilled I took your advice and watched your interview on BatGap. I was not disappointed! It took all-the limited vessel, that I am to take in just a small fraction of the illumination you and Rick shared in the interview. It happened like a thunderbolt!!! It was like the ugly head of my Kundalini snarled and almost gave me whip lash as my heart chakra blossomed and the illumination poured in like a cool spring on a hot summers day. Of course you know to what I refer because as we both know you set the whole lila up (not Ricks cat-as much as I love Rick, I can promise you there will be no Dan Rather moments of letting half the screen go black on ZomGas. I thought your look of what the f**k was fully justified) sorry where was I? Oh yes the lila you set in motion. I get it my friend and as you hoped I'm ready to grab the proverbial Brahma
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
I like the perspective though I am sometimes interested to know what you think personally; for example, would you live as roommates with the guy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You must be unaware of brahma-raakshasa-s. They are higher than mere humans and more dangerous than most people recognize. For example, Vag is probably a reborn brahma-rakshasa rather than a mere manushya-astika (i.e. vedic denier) although he has the guna-s of both of them. Are you refferring to Vaj on FFL ? It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Jim and Rory, souls in the know on this. We already know Vaj to be one in a couple of donkeys and jackasses posting here. * * If you're asking me, Vaj is exactly like every one of us mere humans: a Maharishi (in every sense of the word, spanning the whole range of creation)-- Dumbledore and Voldemort, devata and rakshasa; supremely enlightened, supremely passionate, supremely ignorant; ordinary and extraordinary all in one and all at once -- simultaneously absolutely no-thing and a kaleidoscopic mix of every quality in creation; a mirror, an emptiful screen upon which we delight in playing out our various dramas as if they are somehow not-Us :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
LOL..Rory and Vaj as roommates, that would be fun. I'm sure Rory would eventually smack him and have a belly laugh at the drama we play in Us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I like the perspective though I am sometimes interested to know what you think personally; for example, would you live as roommates with the guy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You must be unaware of brahma-raakshasa-s. They are higher than mere humans and more dangerous than most people recognize. For example, Vag is probably a reborn brahma-rakshasa rather than a mere manushya-astika (i.e. vedic denier) although he has the guna-s of both of them. Are you refferring to Vaj on FFL ? It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Jim and Rory, souls in the know on this. We already know Vaj to be one in a couple of donkeys and jackasses posting here. * * If you're asking me, Vaj is exactly like every one of us mere humans: a Maharishi (in every sense of the word, spanning the whole range of creation)-- Dumbledore and Voldemort, devata and rakshasa; supremely enlightened, supremely passionate, supremely ignorant; ordinary and extraordinary all in one and all at once -- simultaneously absolutely no-thing and a kaleidoscopic mix of every quality in creation; a mirror, an emptiful screen upon which we delight in playing out our various dramas as if they are somehow not-Us :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
Would the TV show be called One And A Half Men? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..Rory and Vaj as roommates, that would be fun. I'm sure Rory would eventually smack him and have a belly laugh at the drama we play in Us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I like the perspective though I am sometimes interested to know what you think personally; for example, would you live as roommates with the guy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You must be unaware of brahma-raakshasa-s. They are higher than mere humans and more dangerous than most people recognize. For example, Vag is probably a reborn brahma-rakshasa rather than a mere manushya-astika (i.e. vedic denier) although he has the guna-s of both of them. Are you refferring to Vaj on FFL ? It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Jim and Rory, souls in the know on this. We already know Vaj to be one in a couple of donkeys and jackasses posting here. * * If you're asking me, Vaj is exactly like every one of us mere humans: a Maharishi (in every sense of the word, spanning the whole range of creation)-- Dumbledore and Voldemort, devata and rakshasa; supremely enlightened, supremely passionate, supremely ignorant; ordinary and extraordinary all in one and all at once -- simultaneously absolutely no-thing and a kaleidoscopic mix of every quality in creation; a mirror, an emptiful screen upon which we delight in playing out our various dramas as if they are somehow not-Us :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give us this day our daily fix - FFLers as drugs
I wasn't aware that cocaine causes diarrhea. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: The sad but predictable demise of Amy Winehouse and the inevitable discussion of drugs, combined with other even more predictable topics that arose like clockwork overnight on FFL got me to thinking about drugs, and their relationship to obsession. I think a case can be made for obsession being a form of drug addiction. Those who obsess on another human being, especially for long periods of time, seem to share a lot of traits with long-term drug addicts. So, naturally, my warped mind being what it is, I started to amuse myself by trying to figure out *which* drugs certain FFL posters were most like, given the behavior of the folks who obsess on them. Be warned. :-) I tried to imagine a die-hard FDA or DEA agent stumbling onto Fairfield Life, noticing the prevalence of obsessive behavior, and assuming that drugs were involved. Which drugs would such an agent map to which posters? Would the posters who consistently provoked the most responses from other posters be Schedule I drugs (addictive, no real medical benefits) or Schedule II drugs (some medical benefits, yet still very addictive and with nasty side effects). Would the posters who rarely get replied to -- especially in a consistently obsessive way -- be categorized as non-drugs, or as fairly benevolent recreational chemicals? Here's my shot at it: I'm thinking that Agent Smith would probably categorize MZ (Robin) as Ecstasy, laced with a little ketamine, and swilled down with an energy drink like Red Bull. Not everybody's cuppa tea, but if you're the kinda user who wants to dance all night to essentially the same song, infinitely repeated with only minor variations like Techno music, this is the drug of choice for you. Curtis would be a good Moroccan hash. NOT that downer hash from India or the Himalayas that leaves you not only flat on your back unable to move but kinda depressed and not enjoying it very much. No, Curtis hash produces a high buzz, often accompanied by great clarity, and even more often accompanied by laughter. The Curtis drug is non-addicting, so those who enjoy it do so when it's around, but don't miss it overmuch when it's not. On the other hand, Just Say No zealots who don't like the sight of other people laughing often crave it desperately, and hope that a new batch of Curtis hits the streets soon, just so they can rag on it. Vaj would probably be classified by Agent Smith as heroin, or possibly PCP, the latter because a little taste of it seems to make some users bat-shit crazy, and violent. One of the things that would lead to Vaj being mapped to heroin is the attempt by those who obsess on him to portray folks who either like his posts or fail to condemn them as low-life junkies shooting up in some darkened alley. Barry is clearly cocaine. Some users seem to enjoy the momentary buzz, but neither crave it nor obsess on it. For others, however, it's very addictive, and very much like the olde one-liner: A little snort of cocaine makes you feel like a new man; the only trouble is that the first thing the new man wants is a little snort of cocaine. Those who obsess on the Barry drug -- especially negatively -- seem to crave it desperately, and even see it where it really isn't. It's like coke heads I've known who would compulsively assume that any white powder they see spilled on a table or kitchen counter was cocaine, and thus end up grabbing a straw and snorting up vast quantities of white flour or powdered sugar. And the amazing thing is that the ones who do this seem to get just as bent behind their imaginary cocaine as they would the real thing. Real Barry-coke or placebo Barry-coke, it doesn't matter; all it takes is a snort of something that reminds them of Barry and they start acting like Andy Garcia's character in the film 8 Million Ways To Die or Al Pacino's character in Scarface. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Forget 2012...the end of the world is 18,411 years away
So says a scholarly article at the following link, which describes a newly-restored stone tapestry in Westminster Cathedral, which some believe reveals the date of Doomsday. http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5731/weaving_the_worlds_end.html Fascinating article, really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: [...] %20the%20Odd%20Side/ the conversation between Rob McCutcheon and Ned Wynn (among others) regarding Maharishi's dark side, and reading someone's skeptical stance towards all this, posing the question [which this true believer thought a knock-down argument]: No one has explained WHY he [M] did this [paraphrasing here]�as if, sure, you can besmirch Maharishi's reputation all you wish, but until you can put all these scandalous accusations and anecdotes inside a context of motive and cause, *they cannot be believed*. It is hard to take seriously a person (Ned Wynn) who writes things like this: My warning is that teaching these mantras without revealingâto monotheists specificallyâthat they translate into English, with some variations, To Lord Shiva, I bow down, could lead to some real trouble for the teachers. http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/ned-wynn-personal-danger-of-teaching.html L.
[FairfieldLife] The Buddha's Meditation
The Buddha's Meditation by Evan Finkelstein, PhD ElephantJournal.com 23 July 2011 An article by Dr Evan Finkelstein, faculty member at Maharishi University of Management, has been published in Elephant Journal. Dr Finkelstein's essay, 'The Buddha's Meditation', begins by asking, 'What kind of meditation did the Buddha teach?' It goes on to explore both ancient texts of Buddhism and modern forms of meditation to determine what would fulfil the Buddha's criteria for an effective method--one that allows the conscious mind to experience the bliss of Nirvana, the highest happiness, and develop 'tranquility and insight'. Dr Finkelstein discusses 'the two most popular forms of Buddhist meditation taught today', which are called Samatha and Vipassana/Mindfulness meditation, in relation to the purpose of bringing the mind to a highly concentrated state, and that of developing true insight into the ultimate reality of life. He also discusses the Transcendental Meditation technique as an effortless, 'natural process of turning around the ''mechanism for hearing'' ' referred to in the Shurangama Sutra. 'The right method of meditation,' Dr Finkelstein concludes, 'would be one that is capable of bringing us beyond all the impermanent, ever-changing, conditioned states of existence to the state of Nirvana. It would be a method that is capable of completely transcending its own process and leaving us at one with the Absolute, freed from the illusion of a limited and separate self-existence. 'Then, through its regular effortless practice, this method would allow us to fully integrate and stabilize this unwavering, Absolute state of Nirvana into all activities and experiences of daily life allowing us to achieve the goal of all Buddhas and Bodhisattvas—a world without suffering.' Click here to read the complete article. Dr Finkelstein is professor of Comparative Religion and Maharishi Vedic Science at Maharishi University of Management. He has written articles that identify the common ground inherent in many of the ancient wisdom traditions. He has taught numerous courses on the universal principles that can be located in Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. © Copyright 2011 Waylon H. Lewis Enterprises
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 8:07 AM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: It is hard to take seriously a person (Ned Wynn) who writes things like this: My warning is that teaching these mantras without revealingâ€to monotheists specificallyâ€that they translate into English, with some variations, To Lord Shiva, I bow down, could lead to some real trouble for the teachers. http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/ned-wynn-personal-danger-of-teaching.html L. Especially since my mantra translates to Lord Kubera, I bow down to you. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Buddha's Meditation
I read this article and it made a lot of sense to me in that all religions put the cart before the horse, with their followers trying to emulate an end state in the hopes of getting there. Unfortunately this is well known in the TMO too. Also found an interesting article on the site, called, Just Because I Practice Yoga Doesn't Mean I Have To Like You. Though I don't see things exactly as the author does, she makes some good points, mainly that Yoga makes us more ourselves vs. acting like some idealized version of enlightenment that others expect: http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/07/just-because-i-practice-yoga-doesnt-mean-i-have-to-like-you--frances-frischkorn/ http://tinyurl.com/3ckrpfj --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@... wrote: The Buddha's Meditation by Evan Finkelstein, PhD ElephantJournal.com   23 July 2011 An article by Dr Evan Finkelstein, faculty member at Maharishi University of Management, has been published in Elephant Journal. Dr Finkelstein's essay, 'The Buddha's Meditation', begins by asking, 'What kind of meditation did the Buddha teach?' It goes on to explore both ancient texts of Buddhism and modern forms of meditation to determine what would fulfil the Buddha's criteria for an effective method--one that allows the conscious mind to experience the bliss of Nirvana, the highest happiness, and develop 'tranquility and insight'. Dr Finkelstein discusses 'the two most popular forms of Buddhist meditation taught today', which are called Samatha and Vipassana/Mindfulness meditation, in relation to the purpose of bringing the mind to a highly concentrated state, and that of developing true insight into the ultimate reality of life. He also discusses the Transcendental Meditation technique as an effortless, 'natural process of turning around the ''mechanism for hearing'' ' referred to in the Shurangama Sutra. 'The right method of meditation,' Dr Finkelstein concludes, 'would be one that is capable of bringing us beyond all the impermanent, ever-changing, conditioned states of existence to the state of Nirvana. It would be a method that is capable of completely transcending its own process and leaving us at one with the Absolute, freed from the illusion of a limited and separate self-existence. 'Then, through its regular effortless practice, this method would allow us to fully integrate and stabilize this unwavering, Absolute state of Nirvana into all activities and experiences of daily life allowing us to achieve the goal of all Buddhas and Bodhisattvasâa world without suffering.' Click here to read the complete article. Dr Finkelstein is professor of Comparative Religion and Maharishi Vedic Science at Maharishi University of Management. He has written articles that identify the common ground inherent in many of the ancient wisdom traditions. He has taught numerous courses on the universal principles that can be located in Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. © Copyright 2011 Waylon H. Lewis Enterprises
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:07 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: [...] %20the%20Odd%20Side/ the conversation between Rob McCutcheon and Ned Wynn (among others) regarding Maharishi's dark side, and reading someone's skeptical stance towards all this, posing the question [which this true believer thought a knock-down argument]: No one has explained WHY he [M] did this [paraphrasing here]�as if, sure, you can besmirch Maharishi's reputation all you wish, but until you can put all these scandalous accusations and anecdotes inside a context of motive and cause, *they cannot be believed*. It is hard to take seriously a person (Ned Wynn) who writes things like this: My warning is that teaching these mantras without revealingâ€to monotheists specificallyâ€that they translate into English, with some variations, To Lord Shiva, I bow down, could lead to some real trouble for the teachers. http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/ned-wynn-personal-danger-of-teaching.html Why would that be hard to believe? Transcendental Meditation teachers have lied to students for decades who believed there should be no god other than Jehovah, often using alleged rabbis and priests in this deception.
[FairfieldLife] Beginning intuitions of the Asuriac Guru
A work will only have deep resonance if the kind of darkness I can generate is something that is resident in me already. - Anish Kapoor I am the necessary angel of the earth, Since. in my sight, you see the earth again. Cleared of its stiff and stubborn, man‑locked set... Wallace Stevens July 9, 1978 Dear Maharishi, Today we received a call from the Victoria Center informing us of a phone call from you at noon. Some of us here at Sunnyside were working, but five of us came down to the Center to await that magical moment when we would hear your voice live. As it turned out we waited for about two hours and then you came through. I had hoped to hear a more personal message, but in spite of the specific theme of your talk, Invincibility Campaign in B.C., the sound of your voice connected us with the most beautiful personalized expression of Being. In those few minutes when you spoke all of us felt the nourishing influence of that human being who had given us the power to break out of the horrible prison of ignorance. I also realized, perhaps more vividly than ever before, how you have created activities for all your teachers so that they might stay on the Path and continue to raise the level of sattva in world consciousness. It is as if you have taken thousands of crippled children on your knee and are nurturing them to the point of being able to walk. That you could gain the utter devotion and loyalty of tens of thousands of individuals raised in a civilization that has lost its traditional roots and which glorifies a small 'i' individual, is nothing short of miraculous. The consciousness and physiological purity of your teachers places them in a class by themselves. No doubt they are transforming the environment in a way that is going to alter the course of history. Today, however, I witnessed a phenomenon that has reached what I perceive to be a most critical and dangerous stage. I refer to the tragic condition of the teachers' personalities. Somehow in absolutely placing all their attention on meditation and teaching they have assumed a passive role within the evolutionary challenges that present themselves within activity. We know that Creative Intelligence dances in every cell of the universe, and that every sphere within Creation has its own laws, the violation of which injures Creation and brings suffering to the doer. In spite of all their very real devotion and creativity, the teachers have, for the most part, ignored the domain of life in which there is the highest concentration of divine energy and love: Relationship. Initiators, knowing that they are in possession of the perfect technology for Self-realization, invest no attention in the art of communication. Whereas someone else is bereft of the knowledge and procedures for transcendence that you have conferred upon us, he may exert more effort in being responsible for what he does; his suffering and helplessness may drive him to more extreme forms of expressiveness within his relationships with those he loves. Whatever the case, initiators by and large carry on blithely unaware of how conditioned and anaesthetized they are within the spectacular dance of relationship. It is as if their contact with pure consciousness is fulfilling and their vision of activity so simplified ( 'meditate and act'') they lose the spur of individuation, the evolutionary desire to unfold the full flowering of their personalities, their divine uniqueness. They are so caught up in the vision of the Goal, the bliss of their programs, the Movement dogma, that they are, given the refined quality of their nervous systems, insensitive to the sacred and mysterious drama of the Relative and the challenge to awaken to the subtle play of the Now. I have seen this condition for some time now and, as you well know, have taken steps to shake up the tamasic inertia that manifests itself in a stale, mechanical, shallow approach to 'relationship'. Not that the rest of the Kali Yuga population is vitally and freshly creative within personal relationships, but I have in my experience, met a number of groups of people, e.g. teachers and artists, who have radiated an intensity and personal power that makes the initiators seem a pretty dull and colorless lot. These other groups, while being physically impure and devoid of the knowledge that could free their limited vision, nevertheless often express a hunger to become more aware, more creative, more 'poetic' as it were within the domain of relationship. It seems that in the divine tranquillity and repose of meditation the guna of rajas goes below, and the pseudo‑serenity and receptiveness of tamas comes to the surface. The sattva is there on the level of the senses and the physiology, and even the brain, but feelings of passionate yearning and explosive vitality are bludgeoned by tamas, until there is, as there was today, the disturbing spectacle of a group of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Mark Landau wrote: You're welcome, Richard. I'm glad. Well, he definitely was my master from '71 till the late '70s or early '80s, but, after that, no. If we take the reality, I don't feel he would qualify as a true master. If we can hold some idealized version of him, I suppose we could keep him as a master. I think Guru Dev would much more readily qualify as true master. I think you're correct here Mark, eventually if one does some minor investigations, one finds of the self-assumed Maharishi alias, the strange fact he was never trained or ordained as a yogi, the fact Swami Bramananda never ever authorized him (quite the opposite), and that the puja was a poem of one of SBS's students that Mahesh had been demanded to throw away. As the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math said about the death of Guru Dev then he [Mahesh] spread his net. The T M Sidhi was the coup de grace, a technique guaranteed to divert the nervous system into insanity, derangement and slavish obedience: a dark coherence. RWC Carlsen was probably the first to intuit this IMO. Many other yogis have since.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Tom Pall wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 8:07 AM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: It is hard to take seriously a person (Ned Wynn) who writes things like this: My warning is that teaching these mantras without revealingâ€to monotheists specificallyâ€that they translate into English, with some variations, To Lord Shiva, I bow down, could lead to some real trouble for the teachers. http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/ned-wynn-personal-danger-of-teaching.html L. Especially since my mantra translates to Lord Kubera, I bow down to you. Oh man is JHVH-1 and son gonna be pissed! To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:07 AM, sparaig wrote: It is hard to take seriously a person (Ned Wynn) who writes things like this: My warning is that teaching these mantras without revealingâ€to monotheists specificallyâ€that they translate into English, with some variations, To Lord Shiva, I bow down, could lead to some real trouble for the teachers. Not to those who value honesty, since that sounds like all he's asking for. Truth in advertising, you might say. Whatever you call it, it's pretty stinker-like of whomever feels he or she can get away with it. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:37 AM, tedadams108 wrote: No worries here Ravi, I find it's the nature of this forum and there are all kinds of viewpoints, all to be respected. On another point: To those initiators who have taught in the past who no longer teach or meditate and have an unfavorable view of the Movement or Maharishi, have you ever been in a situation where an initiate approaches you and asks why you feel the way you do? What do you tell an initiate who looked up to you and is enjoying TM but is disturbed to find his/her initiator is no longer meditating. Is there any concern of the effect on an initiate if he/she finds out his teacher no longer values what he taught? Not all people got caught up in the Movement's activities over the past several years. Rather, they were taught and quietly enjoy their practice and don't have a reason to question their practice. Many, once finding out (or hearing repeatedly) who Mahesh truly was, lack the moral and ethical fortitude to change. As neurologists say what fires together. wires together. Over the years you're locked into that neuroplastic change without some foundational inner motivation, a repugnance at samsara or no longer being able to go against the grain of creation. Ignorance is not always bliss.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Mark Landau wrote: You're welcome, Richard. I'm glad. Well, he definitely was my master from '71 till the late '70s or early '80s, but, after that, no. If we take the reality, I don't feel he would qualify as a true master. If we can hold some idealized version of him, I suppose we could keep him as a master. I think Guru Dev would much more readily qualify as true master. I think you're correct here Mark, eventually if one does some minor investigations, one finds of the self-assumed Maharishi alias, the strange fact he was never trained or ordained as a yogi, the fact Swami Bramananda never ever authorized him (quite the opposite), and that the puja was a poem of one of SBS's students that Mahesh had been demanded to throw away. As the Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math said about the death of Guru Dev then he [Mahesh] spread his net. The T M Sidhi was the coup de grace, a technique guaranteed to divert the nervous system into insanity, derangement and slavish obedience: a dark coherence. RWC was probably the first to intuit this IMO. Many other yogis have since.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: snip It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Jim and Rory, souls in the know on this. We already know Vaj to be one in a couple of donkeys and jackasses posting here. * * If you're asking me, Vaj is exactly like every one of us mere humans: a Maharishi (in every sense of the word, spanning the whole range of creation)-- Dumbledore and Voldemort, devata and rakshasa; supremely enlightened, supremely passionate, supremely ignorant; ordinary and extraordinary all in one and all at once -- simultaneously absolutely no-thing and a kaleidoscopic mix of every quality in creation; a mirror, an emptiful screen upon which we delight in playing out our various dramas as if they are somehow not-Us :-) Why did I ask you for an opinion ? :-) LOL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Well I guess everyone is happy now. Ravi got his pat, you got to drag Barry into a completely unrelated conversation and I get to call you a sour little plum. Your use of the word unrelated shows how little you understood Maharishi's teaching, Curtis. Don't you remember him saying in one of his Guru Purnimah talks, Every post is a perfect opportunity to bring up the epithet we've already prepared about Barry? It's a variant of Unity Consciousness in which the practitioner, instead of seeing Self in everything, sees Barry in everything. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Well I guess everyone is happy now. Ravi got his pat, you got to drag Barry into a completely unrelated conversation and I get to call you a sour little plum. Your use of the word unrelated shows how little you understood Maharishi's teaching, Curtis. Don't you remember him saying in one of his Guru Purnimah talks, Every post is a perfect opportunity to bring up the epithet we've already prepared about Barry? It's a variant of Unity Consciousness in which the practitioner, instead of seeing Self in everything, sees Barry in everything. :-) It's OK, Barry, you aren't going to have to keep cranking it out much longer. Curtis is in the final phases of his training to take over from you. It's been an awful strain on you all these years, the constant stream of lies and putdowns and lame wisecracks, and it's obvious you're running out of steam. Curtis isn't quite up to it yet, but if you can just hang in there, in a little while he'll be ready to take it off your shoulders, and you can have a nice rest for whatever time you have left.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Forget 2012...the end of the world is 18,411 years away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: So says a scholarly article at the following link, which describes a newly-restored stone tapestry in Westminster Cathedral, which some believe reveals the date of Doomsday. http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5731/weaving_the_worlds_end.html Fascinating article, really. It is. Ken Follett (Pillars of the Earth) could do a whole book about this this beautiful stone work.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Well I guess everyone is happy now. Ravi got his pat, you got to drag Barry into a completely unrelated conversation and I get to call you a sour little plum. Your use of the word unrelated shows how little you understood Maharishi's teaching, Curtis. Don't you remember him saying in one of his Guru Purnimah talks, Every post is a perfect opportunity to bring up the epithet we've already prepared about Barry? It's a variant of Unity Consciousness in which the practitioner, instead of seeing Self in everything, sees Barry in everything. :-) It's OK, Barry, you aren't going to have to keep cranking it out much longer. Curtis is in the final phases of his training to take over from you. It's been an awful strain on you all these years, the constant stream of lies and putdowns and lame wisecracks, and it's obvious you're running out of steam. If you can just hang in there, in a little while he'll take it off your shoulders and you can have a nice rest for whatever time you have left.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Forget 2012...the end of the world is 18,411 years away
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So says a scholarly article at the following link, which describes a newly-restored stone tapestry in Westminster Cathedral, which some believe reveals the date of Doomsday. http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5731/weaving_the_worlds_end.html Fascinating article, really. It is. Ken Follett (Pillars of the Earth) could do a whole book about this this beautiful stone work. Oh, please, no. I just finished Pillars, and I kept wishing C.J. Sansom, author of the Matthew Shardlake novels I posted about here awhile back, could have written it. What a contrast! Such great material, and such a pedestrian treatment by Follett. Maybe if I hadn't read the Sansom novels first, I wouldn't have been so disappointed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good by Amy, you will be missed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: We really have to get this drug-synapse connection handled. I am sick of losing people to this shit. At her best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVBoXtxD0Rsplaynext=1list=PL2D4F755C610950CA I was SO not a fan, Curtis. I don't think I'd ever listened to a single one of her songs, largely because I couldn't get past her public image as Out Of Control Girl. I had two predispositions to not like her music, the one you mention as well as a style of music that is usually too soft for my primitive tastes. But having been given her CD for a birthday present one year, I gave it a fair listen and once again, as often happens in matters of my taste prejudices, I found I was wrong. The girl had real talent, a distinctive voice, and a sly sense of humor expressed in her personal style and song choices. I'm sorry you didn't get to hear that song because it was in her hands the genuine article. I found this version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UufMAsvzgsfeature=related Could Beyonce sing this song this believably? Adele? Any other contemporary artist? It took Amy, and the reasons she was believable, in the end, took her down. So having eaten crow once again I started reading a bit about her, a precocious arts school phenom whose teachers loved her for her talent and hated her for her total lack of self discipline. She was just a baby when the fame monster put her on its back. A confused baby. A baby with substance abuse problems. Formula for disaster. Think about the crow she had to eat when she finally DID go to rehab after her famous song. But she did. She had people who loved her and a whole team of families who bet on her horse to support their families. All of whom just got completely screwed with the cancellation of this last tour. So much human tragedy surrounds a falling star. It incinerates many lives in its path. She was just a slip of a thing, tiny, with her improbably tall beehive and big, big voice. But the fury she had incited in her neruo-transmitters could not be managed. I don't believe it was due to lack of loving support around her or even her own desire to live a full life. I blame it on a puritanically influenced medical system whose best answer for a girl with her problem is to go to a 12 step program and pray that she will get delivered from her sin. She deserved better. You wrote an excellent post about stars you met and the lifestyle that took them down. So many people are involved in a big tour that they have to cram it into a shitty schedule. Built-in disaster for the performers. And for big acts these tours go on and on. How can a person give everything in performance when their get up and go, got up and left? Ah, a line or two, few bumps between sets works fantastically for a while. Until the brain grows too many receptor sites for the amount of neruo-transmitters you can generate without the lines...but on to an early morning radio show after falling into bed at 3 am so sniff sniff and sound check at 3 pm... I was too late to see the YouTube link you posted (the poster seems to have closed his/her account), but today one of my Facebook friends posted a link that got me over my aversion and forced me to listen to my first Amy Winehouse song. It's the choice of song that did it. This song is one of my guilty favorites from my own teenage years. Written by Carole King and then-husband Gerry Goffin for the Shirelles, I was such a lovesick sap at 15 that I used to listen to it over and over. Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwN806lLKZQ The other Shirelles song I used to obsess on, this one written by Burt Bacharach. To this day, I still love the cheezy Farfiza organ solo and the breathy vocals by Shirley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvoNmBLhVI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Well I guess everyone is happy now. Ravi got his pat, you got to drag Barry into a completely unrelated conversation and I get to call you a sour little plum. Your use of the word unrelated shows how little you understood Maharishi's teaching, Curtis. Don't you remember him saying in one of his Guru Purnimah talks, Every post is a perfect opportunity to bring up the epithet we've already prepared about Barry? It's a variant of Unity Consciousness in which the practitioner, instead of seeing Self in everything, sees Barry in everything. :-) It's OK, Barry, you aren't going to have to keep cranking it out much longer. Curtis is in the final phases of his training to take over from you. It's been an awful strain on you all these years, the constant stream of lies and putdowns and lame wisecracks, and it's obvious you're running out of steam. If you can just hang in there, in a little while he'll take it off your shoulders and you can have a nice rest for whatever time you have left. Busy, busy, Sour Plum. So much rancor to spread but the numbers of posts are burning so fast. Who else needs correction, who else needs to be put in their place...and all around her enemies in collusion, yes enemies who plot to burn up her posts with things that need correction, so much scolding to dole out, so many personal flaws to expose to the innocent world which can't be trusted on its own to come to the righteous conclusions of the Sour Plum. Oh and the need for hostile challenges just grows on all sides between the enemies plotting together, in collusion, and no one else can see how bad it all is, they must be warned but that will burn up more posts... (I submit this for approval from my Dark Lord who is training me in the black arts of the wisecrack.)
[FairfieldLife] Phyllis and Connie: First NYC Same-Sex Wedding
I couldn't copy it here, but the photo is really worth a look: AFP/Getty Images Phyllis Siegel (rear) and Connie Kopelov (front) celebrate after becoming the first same-sex couple to get married in New York City the day the state's gay marriage law went into effect. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/first_same_sex_weddings_take_place_Cnzs5B8JcW6EC6Esu04oOJ#ixzz1T264BBv4 http://tinyurl.com/3rl4gnr God bless 'em.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Curtis, Have you considered that Judy is like Guru Dev when he was looking for a guru? He got that one guru angry, and Guru Dev said something like: This guy's anger proves he isn't fully enlightened, so he's not the guru I seek. Gotta give that which pokes ya and irks ya a deep bow just for rubbing your nose in a crippling attachment even if the messenger is all puffy egoic about it. Except of course, unless Judy criticizes me, then I'm like you. Sigh. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: Busy, busy, Sour Plum. So much rancor to spread but the numbers of posts are burning so fast. Who else needs correction, who else needs to be put in their place...and all around her enemies in collusion, yes enemies who plot to burn up her posts with things that need correction, so much scolding to dole out, so many personal flaws to expose to the innocent world which can't be trusted on its own to come to the righteous conclusions of the Sour Plum. Oh and the need for hostile challenges just grows on all sides between the enemies plotting together, in collusion, and no one else can see how bad it all is, they must be warned but that will burn up more posts... (I submit this for approval from my Dark Lord who is training me in the black arts of the wisecrack.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Hmm, this is interesting. I have seen this before, but never gave it much credence. What numbers are given to Ramana Maharshi and Rama (Frederick Lenz)? On Jul 23, 2011, at 5:17 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: You're welcome, Richard. I'm glad. Well, he definitely was my master from '71 till the late '70s or early '80s, Benjaim's Masters informs that Maharishi had the point of evolution at the time of dropping the body as being 3,3. According to Thesophists this is close to universal Masterhood. It is interesting to note that Mr. Creme's Master confirms that Jesus of Nazareth had the point of evolution of 3,0 at the time of dropping the body. Earlier it has been infomed that the level of evolution, as the only person on this earth, 7,0 belongs to Lord Maitreya. The point of evolution of Guru Dev at dropping the body was 6,0. From what I understand this is the most developed point of evolution ever recorded below our belowed our dear eldest Brother, Maitreya. Read more; http://www.shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-06.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: snip Busy, busy, Sour Plum. So much rancor to spread but the numbers of posts are burning so fast. Who else needs correction, who else needs to be put in their place...and all around her enemies in collusion, yes enemies who plot to burn up her posts with things that need correction, so much scolding to dole out, so many personal flaws to expose to the innocent world which can't be trusted on its own to come to the righteous conclusions of the Sour Plum. Oh and the need for hostile challenges just grows on all sides between the enemies plotting together, in collusion, and no one else can see how bad it all is, they must be warned but that will burn up more posts... (I submit this for approval from my Dark Lord who is training me in the black arts of the wisecrack.) I hope he explains to you that this is too labored. You need to work on creating an illusion of insousiance. That actually takes *more* effort and a great deal of practice before it begins to sound plausibly authentic. Your challenge is even greater than Barry's, because you'll want to keep up your Mr. Wonderful side at the same time. Maybe I was too optimistic in telling Barry it wouldn't be long before you were ready to take over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Forget 2012...the end of the world is 18,411 years away
Follett is not a good writer, but he does tell a good story and I liked the history involved. Shardlake is on my list for this Fall. I added him when you posted your suggestions a few months ago. I just read At Home by Bill Bryson and really enjoyed all the historical info, now reading People of the Book by Geraldine Brooks (again not literature, but the history is good - about saving and restoring an old haggadah). Cleopatra by Stacey Shiff is next, then Shardlake. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So says a scholarly article at the following link, which describes a newly-restored stone tapestry in Westminster Cathedral, which some believe reveals the date of Doomsday. http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5731/weaving_the_worlds_end.html Fascinating article, really. It is. Ken Follett (Pillars of the Earth) could do a whole book about this this beautiful stone work. Oh, please, no. I just finished Pillars, and I kept wishing C.J. Sansom, author of the Matthew Shardlake novels I posted about here awhile back, could have written it. What a contrast! Such great material, and such a pedestrian treatment by Follett. Maybe if I hadn't read the Sansom novels first, I wouldn't have been so disappointed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
And this, too, M was always intensely vehement about maintaining the purity of the teaching. I can have compassion for the remaining TBs in their attempts to be vigilant about that. On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Buck wrote: Mark, given these modern times and communications you would think so. In the marketplace people are way more studied and way more exposed to gurus and spirituality than probably ever before. However, on the ground in TM here in FF you need a valid badge. Effectively participation is with a one-guru badge in application. The TM-TB's left inside in control of participation are more strictly 'one-guru' devotees. Disciples. They put that standard over on everyone else, even on those who may just be practitioners and not devotees. Here in Fairfield last week for Guru Purnima you had to have a 'valid' dome badge (be an eligible TM-siddhi practitioner) to go to the TM-movement's guru celebration. In effect that left thousands of old-time badge-less meditators out to themselves. The FF TM-no-badge-nik meditators. Inside there are only a few hundreds active left here with badges yet close to three thousand adults here who previously had come here to Iowa as TM-meditators. There essentially is a fealty test going on by the conservative elements in the middle putting up the threshold of a TM-Siddhis 'dome badge' to old meditators coming in to even celebrate Maharishi as a guru. It's a very calculated policy on the part of a TM taliban-like doctrine-bound element inside. You would think Guru Purnima could be a time to be forthcoming, hospitable. A time to gather. As I survey around on the street, there is still in the old meditating community a residual or latent hope that things could work out for TM here but practically folks express only dim hope given the general lack of social skills within TM in reality. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in FF an old Iowa meditator --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: You're welcome, Richard. I'm glad. Well, he definitely was my master from '71 till the late '70s or early '80s, but, after that, no. If we take the reality, I don't feel he would qualify as a true master. If we can hold some idealized version of him, I suppose we could keep him as a master. I think Guru Dev would much more readily qualify as true master. But perhaps it is time for us to move beyond masters. That was a viable way to grow spiritually in the past, but, perhaps, not so much now. I think our times call more for us to find our own way, or to find teachers who will accept us without demanding that they be masters, teachers who serve us well from where we currently are, but who acknowledge their own imperfections and that not all they teach will perfectly serve everyone. Hope this helps, m On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:45 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks so much for all your recent posts. They have really been a wonderful read and very insightful. Since you had the opportunity to experience Maharishi in a way that most of us never did, I am wondering how you feel about Maharishi being a master, and if you feel or felt that he was or is your personal master? Its an area that I have gone back and forth on many times throughout my life and still hold some confusion about. There is no question that TM has worked for me and that being around him was very powerful, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is in the league of a true master, particularly with all of the things that just don't make sense about him. Your insight would be most helpful 5'm sure if you don't mind. Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:43 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Fruitful, fruitful! You continue to be a huge addition to the content here Mark. Your exchange with Robin on your experiences with Maharishi were fascinating. I was surprised to learn that Bevan wasn't a skin boy. I thought that was one of his claims to fame when he was first with Maharishi in India. The mega intense world at Maharishi's door is so worthy of a book, many books for each person who wants to tell this story. One of the most fascinating books I have read was by Mao's personal physician. You get an insight into his character you get nowhere else. Same for you guys in the hot seat carrying the hot seat. Any details you sprinkle here will fall on many delighted ears. I enjoy your divine experiences as much as any insights into the more human side of Maharishi. Thank you, Curtis When I knew Bevan in the 70s, he confided in me that he was always jealous of the skin boys because he had never gotten to do it himself. I don't know what happened after I left, in '76. My guess is
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Curtis, Have you considered that Judy is like Guru Dev when he was looking for a guru? He got that one guru angry, and Guru Dev said something like: This guy's anger proves he isn't fully enlightened, so he's not the guru I seek. Edg my brother, don't get me started again on the hideous story of a poor boy who left home searching for a perfect father sold as a wonderful spiritual tale of his greatness. A boy so scarred by life with a family that he left his home and faced starvation rather than face another day of...what? What adult bastard caused a young boy so much pain that he needed to leave his home? And what family life life him so scarred that he led a life of homeless camping behind the KFC in the state park? Away from people, never to be with people, to hell with people... Sorry man, I get lost in that dark trance sometimes. The miracle story manufactured from obvious neglect and probable abuse. Plus his family was rich enough to find the kid. Why didn't they? OK back again. Let me focus. Judy like Guru Dev...through her dedication to hostility busting down people for, what was her last complaint about me...trying to be Mr. Wonderbread was it? No it was close though, Mr. Wonderful, that's it. She was taking me down for trying to present an impression that I am a wonderful human being full of the light of God and optimism that I can spread my music to the world or at least an improvement on those crappy sugary drinks pawned off as Chaipirinias in Mall bars. I'm having a little trouble following you here although the idea that some misfortune in the past my be the shared cause for aniti-social tendencies might be a rich vein to explore... Gotta give that which pokes ya and irks ya a deep bow just for rubbing your nose in a crippling attachment even if the messenger is all puffy egoic about it. Yes the petty tyrant of Castaneda novels fame. I always gave her credit for pissing me off enough to write. But I am not a fan of the attachment as bad thoery. I am not on any path that seeks to lessen attachment, I am hungry for more of it. Anything I learned from interacting with Judy could have been accomplished without the rancorous bullshit. That was all unnecessary IMO. But she has picked out her sheets, the comforter with the Victorian flower print duvet cover and the edge ruffles (which seems unwise in these days of bed bug threats) and now she props herself up on no less than 15 pillows each depicting a moral lesson from the classic: I Am SO Much More Ethical Than You Are, penned by the inventor of the male chastity belt. Except of course, unless Judy criticizes me, then I'm like you. Sigh. The display of honesty and self-effacing truth that makes me proud to be your friend Edg. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Busy, busy, Sour Plum. So much rancor to spread but the numbers of posts are burning so fast. Who else needs correction, who else needs to be put in their place...and all around her enemies in collusion, yes enemies who plot to burn up her posts with things that need correction, so much scolding to dole out, so many personal flaws to expose to the innocent world which can't be trusted on its own to come to the righteous conclusions of the Sour Plum. Oh and the need for hostile challenges just grows on all sides between the enemies plotting together, in collusion, and no one else can see how bad it all is, they must be warned but that will burn up more posts... (I submit this for approval from my Dark Lord who is training me in the black arts of the wisecrack.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: And this, too, M was always intensely vehement about maintaining the purity of the teaching. I can have compassion for the remaining TBs in their attempts to be vigilant about that. Me,too. Bevan and John did not invent the dome badge rules or the whole set of TMO rules. The rajas and higher ups are simply following Maharishi's very clear and long standing policies. I am sure that they believe that adjusting these rules would be the beginning of a slippery slide into all sorts of impurity of the teaching challenges. They are devotees doing their very best to honor their Master. These are MMYs wishes and rules, and things will not change as long as this generation of devotees - who actually spent time with MMY - are in charge. It is possible that if MMY were alive now, he would loosen things up, but no one in charge now will make that decision in Maharishi's place. It is the way it is and will stay the same and Bevan and John can not be blamed for this. Maharishi did this. On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Buck wrote: Mark, given these modern times and communications you would think so. In the marketplace people are way more studied and way more exposed to gurus and spirituality than probably ever before. However, on the ground in TM here in FF you need a valid badge. Effectively participation is with a one-guru badge in application. The TM-TB's left inside in control of participation are more strictly 'one-guru' devotees. Disciples. They put that standard over on everyone else, even on those who may just be practitioners and not devotees. Here in Fairfield last week for Guru Purnima you had to have a 'valid' dome badge (be an eligible TM-siddhi practitioner) to go to the TM-movement's guru celebration. In effect that left thousands of old-time badge-less meditators out to themselves. The FF TM-no-badge-nik meditators. Inside there are only a few hundreds active left here with badges yet close to three thousand adults here who previously had come here to Iowa as TM-meditators. There essentially is a fealty test going on by the conservative elements in the middle putting up the threshold of a TM-Siddhis 'dome badge' to old meditators coming in to even celebrate Maharishi as a guru. It's a very calculated policy on the part of a TM taliban-like doctrine-bound element inside. You would think Guru Purnima could be a time to be forthcoming, hospitable. A time to gather. As I survey around on the street, there is still in the old meditating community a residual or latent hope that things could work out for TM here but practically folks express only dim hope given the general lack of social skills within TM in reality. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in FF an old Iowa meditator --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: You're welcome, Richard. I'm glad. Well, he definitely was my master from '71 till the late '70s or early '80s, but, after that, no. If we take the reality, I don't feel he would qualify as a true master. If we can hold some idealized version of him, I suppose we could keep him as a master. I think Guru Dev would much more readily qualify as true master. But perhaps it is time for us to move beyond masters. That was a viable way to grow spiritually in the past, but, perhaps, not so much now. I think our times call more for us to find our own way, or to find teachers who will accept us without demanding that they be masters, teachers who serve us well from where we currently are, but who acknowledge their own imperfections and that not all they teach will perfectly serve everyone. Hope this helps, m On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:45 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks so much for all your recent posts. They have really been a wonderful read and very insightful. Since you had the opportunity to experience Maharishi in a way that most of us never did, I am wondering how you feel about Maharishi being a master, and if you feel or felt that he was or is your personal master? Its an area that I have gone back and forth on many times throughout my life and still hold some confusion about. There is no question that TM has worked for me and that being around him was very powerful, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is in the league of a true master, particularly with all of the things that just don't make sense about him. Your insight would be most helpful 5'm sure if you don't mind. Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:43 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Fruitful, fruitful! You continue to be a huge addition to the content here Mark. Your exchange with Robin on your experiences
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Mark Landau wrote: And this, too, M was always intensely vehement about maintaining the purity of the teaching. I can have compassion for the remaining TBs in their attempts to be vigilant about that. That is, of course, if you assume that Mahesh's version of the tradition was pure to begin with. And you know what they say about assuming, right?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good by Amy, you will be missed
Must be their Saturn return. ;-) On 07/23/2011 02:13 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: Seriously, they all killed themselves at 27? That's spooky. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaisterno_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltabluescurtisdeltablues@ wrote: We really have to get this drug-synapse connection handled. I am sick of losing people to this shit. At her best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVBoXtxD0Rsplaynext=1list=PL2D4F755C610950CA At 27, like Jim, Jimi, Janis, Brian, Kurt...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Give us this day our daily fix - FFLers as drugs
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: As always, thank you for your excellent post. It was just a post-dogwalking rap, occasioned by house- guests who had been talking drugs the previous night. A few of them are Techno freaks, and thus were going on about the proper mix of drugs for a rave. If they hadn't mentioned them, I wouldn't have known what the ones I cited for MZ even were. Comments below. Snips below. I'm cooking Indian food, and thus a little time-constrained. No offense intended. Two of the best throw away lines I've heard addicts use to describe their co dependants are: When co dependents die an addicts life passes before their eyes. and A co dependents salute are two hands around the throat of an addict. Cute. Real Barry-coke or placebo Barry-coke, it doesn't matter; all it takes is a snort of something that reminds them of Barry and they start acting like Andy Garcia's character in the film 8 Million Ways To Die or Al Pacino's character in Scarface. :-) This last part has me a bit worried about where you're living, have you thought of moving to Paris or Geneva? Rest easy, and reassure the wife. I have only tried two of the drugs mentioned by either you or me, and hash is semi-legal here. I was out of the drug scene and into TM before the 70s dawned, and haven't gone back there since, except to a few years ago test for myself what Dutch genetic scientists had managed to do to lowly cannabis. ( Thus the distinction between happy hash and that oily, icky, black stuff that comes from India or Nepal. ) But my houseguests ( all at least 20 years younger than I ) had been going on and on last night about the drugs du jour, and I guess it sorta stuck in my writer's memory. Ya gotta gather source material from wherever ya can find it. By the way, I've lived in Paris and spent some time in Geneve. Both have *much* bigger hard drug scenes than the Netherlands, IMO partly as a result of their misguided War On Drugs mentality.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UzhtoZlDeQ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: And this, too, M was always intensely vehement about maintaining the purity of the teaching. I can have compassion for the remaining TBs in their attempts to be vigilant about that. Me,too. Bevan and John did not invent the dome badge rules or the whole set of TMO rules. The rajas and higher ups are simply following Maharishi's very clear and long standing policies. I am sure that they believe that adjusting these rules would be the beginning of a slippery slide into all sorts of impurity of the teaching challenges. They are devotees doing their very best to honor their Master. These are MMYs wishes and rules, and things will not change as long as this generation of devotees - who actually spent time with MMY - are in charge. It is possible that if MMY were alive now, he would loosen things up, but no one in charge now will make that decision in Maharishi's place. It is the way it is and will stay the same and Bevan and John can not be blamed for this. Maharishi did this. On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Buck wrote: Mark, given these modern times and communications you would think so. In the marketplace people are way more studied and way more exposed to gurus and spirituality than probably ever before. However, on the ground in TM here in FF you need a valid badge. Effectively participation is with a one-guru badge in application. The TM-TB's left inside in control of participation are more strictly 'one-guru' devotees. Disciples. They put that standard over on everyone else, even on those who may just be practitioners and not devotees. Here in Fairfield last week for Guru Purnima you had to have a 'valid' dome badge (be an eligible TM-siddhi practitioner) to go to the TM-movement's guru celebration. In effect that left thousands of old-time badge-less meditators out to themselves. The FF TM-no-badge-nik meditators. Inside there are only a few hundreds active left here with badges yet close to three thousand adults here who previously had come here to Iowa as TM-meditators. There essentially is a fealty test going on by the conservative elements in the middle putting up the threshold of a TM-Siddhis 'dome badge' to old meditators coming in to even celebrate Maharishi as a guru. It's a very calculated policy on the part of a TM taliban-like doctrine-bound element inside. You would think Guru Purnima could be a time to be forthcoming, hospitable. A time to gather. As I survey around on the street, there is still in the old meditating community a residual or latent hope that things could work out for TM here but practically folks express only dim hope given the general lack of social skills within TM in reality. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in FF an old Iowa meditator --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: You're welcome, Richard. I'm glad. Well, he definitely was my master from '71 till the late '70s or early '80s, but, after that, no. If we take the reality, I don't feel he would qualify as a true master. If we can hold some idealized version of him, I suppose we could keep him as a master. I think Guru Dev would much more readily qualify as true master. But perhaps it is time for us to move beyond masters. That was a viable way to grow spiritually in the past, but, perhaps, not so much now. I think our times call more for us to find our own way, or to find teachers who will accept us without demanding that they be masters, teachers who serve us well from where we currently are, but who acknowledge their own imperfections and that not all they teach will perfectly serve everyone. Hope this helps, m On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:45 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: Hi Mark, Thanks so much for all your recent posts. They have really been a wonderful read and very insightful. Since you had the opportunity to experience Maharishi in a way that most of us never did, I am wondering how you feel about Maharishi being a master, and if you feel or felt that he was or is your personal master? Its an area that I have gone back and forth on many times throughout my life and still hold some confusion about. There is no question that TM has worked for me and that being around him was very powerful, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is in the league of a true master, particularly with all of the things that just don't make sense about him. Your insight would be most helpful 5'm sure if you don't mind. Thanks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come up with an alternate story line that will allow him to feel less bad about himself. Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you rather than against you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, Have you considered that Judy is like Guru Dev when he was looking for a guru? He got that one guru angry, and Guru Dev said something like: This guy's anger proves he isn't fully enlightened, so he's not the guru I seek. Edg my brother, don't get me started again on the hideous story of a poor boy who left home searching for a perfect father sold as a wonderful spiritual tale of his greatness. A boy so scarred by life with a family that he left his home and faced starvation rather than face another day of...what? What adult bastard caused a young boy so much pain that he needed to leave his home? And what family life life him so scarred that he led a life of homeless camping behind the KFC in the state park? Away from people, never to be with people, to hell with people... Sorry man, I get lost in that dark trance sometimes. The miracle story manufactured from obvious neglect and probable abuse. Plus his family was rich enough to find the kid. Why didn't they? OK back again. Let me focus. Judy like Guru Dev...through her dedication to hostility busting down people for, what was her last complaint about me...trying to be Mr. Wonderbread was it? No it was close though, Mr. Wonderful, that's it. She was taking me down for trying to present an impression that I am a wonderful human being full of the light of God and optimism that I can spread my music to the world or at least an improvement on those crappy sugary drinks pawned off as Chaipirinias in Mall bars. I'm having a little trouble following you here although the idea that some misfortune in the past my be the shared cause for aniti-social tendencies might be a rich vein to explore... Gotta give that which pokes ya and irks ya a deep bow just for rubbing your nose in a crippling attachment even if the messenger is all puffy egoic about it. Yes the petty tyrant of Castaneda novels fame. I always gave her credit for pissing me off enough to write. But I am not a fan of the attachment as bad thoery. I am not on any path that seeks to lessen attachment, I am hungry for more of it. Anything I learned from interacting with Judy could have been accomplished without the rancorous bullshit. That was all unnecessary IMO. But she has picked out her sheets, the comforter with the Victorian flower print duvet cover and the edge ruffles (which seems unwise in these days of bed bug threats) and now she props herself up on no less than 15 pillows each depicting a moral lesson from the classic: I Am SO Much More Ethical Than You Are, penned by the inventor of the male chastity belt. Except of course, unless Judy criticizes me, then I'm like you. Sigh. The display of honesty and self-effacing truth that makes me proud to be your friend Edg. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Busy, busy, Sour Plum. So much rancor to spread but the numbers of posts are burning so fast. Who else needs correction, who else needs to be put in their place...and all around her enemies in collusion, yes enemies who plot to burn up her posts with things that need correction, so much scolding to dole out, so many personal flaws to expose to the innocent world which can't be trusted on its own to come to the righteous conclusions of the Sour Plum. Oh and the need for hostile challenges just grows on all sides between the enemies plotting together, in collusion, and no one else can see how bad it all is, they must be warned but that will burn up more posts... (I submit this for approval from my Dark Lord who is training me in the black arts of the wisecrack.)
[FairfieldLife] Best TMO come backs
I remembered a story today about Charlie Donahue being interviewed by Tom Synder. This may be a sign I've been spending to much time on FFL. In any event, its a good story and some may enjoy it. If you have different versions of these stories or other stories of good come backs I would enjoy reading them. Charlie was interviewed by Tom Synder. Tom liked to throw his guests off with an opening one liner. At the beginning of the interview Tom shook hands with Charlie and said: Tom Your hand's are wet, are you nervous? Charlie No, you've run out of paper towels in your bathroom. Another favourite of mine I remember the end but I'm not confident of my memory of the beginning. Someone rounding too much on teacher training in Fuggi asked Maharishi in evening theatre question period what he should do about a strong recurring thought he was having (not sure how clear the man was this first evening or if Maharishi understood what he was saying). Maharishi seemed to say the man should act out the thought. A night or two later the man came back on crutches and bandaged. He waited patiently in line for the mike and then explained to Maharishi that he had acted on his thought to thrown himself in front of a car and he had just returned from the hospital. In what seemed like not missing a beat Maharishi said (I'm paraphrasing) Its not good to put oneself under the wheel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come up with an alternate story line that will allow him to feel less bad about himself. So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Posters get from me what they give. Sometimes the switch is between a few different posts as with Jim who can start a rancorous debate and then in a few posts we are complimenting each other. You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share here. You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you rather than against you. First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening my eyes to greater self knowledge. You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core level kindness toward other people that would be required. You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in your posts. And secondly, for you to chastise me for having anger triggers. From a person who is the most high maintenance, fly-off-the-handle on any given phrase, soaring on the wings of her self-righteous claim to moral superiority, often screechingly angry posters here,I say (re-engage schtick) Sour, sour plum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, Have you considered that Judy is like Guru Dev when he was looking for a guru? He got that one guru angry, and Guru Dev said something like: This guy's anger proves he isn't fully enlightened, so he's not the guru I seek. Edg my brother, don't get me started again on the hideous story of a poor boy who left home searching for a perfect father sold as a wonderful spiritual tale of his greatness. A boy so scarred by life with a family that he left his home and faced starvation rather than face another day of...what? What adult bastard caused a young boy so much pain that he needed to leave his home? And what family life life him so scarred that he led a life of homeless camping behind the KFC in the state park? Away from people, never to be with people, to hell with people... Sorry man, I get lost in that dark trance sometimes. The miracle story manufactured from obvious neglect and probable abuse. Plus his family was rich enough to find the kid. Why didn't they? OK back again. Let me focus. Judy like Guru Dev...through her dedication to hostility busting down people for, what was her last complaint about me...trying to be Mr. Wonderbread was it? No it was close though, Mr. Wonderful, that's it. She was taking me down for trying to present an impression that I am a wonderful human being full of the light of God and optimism that I can spread my music to the world or at least an improvement on those crappy sugary drinks pawned off as Chaipirinias in Mall bars. I'm having a little trouble following you here although the idea that some misfortune in the past my be the shared cause for aniti-social tendencies might be a rich vein to explore... Gotta give that which pokes ya and irks ya a deep bow just for rubbing your nose in a crippling attachment even if the messenger is all puffy egoic about it. Yes the petty tyrant of Castaneda novels fame. I always gave her credit for pissing me off enough to write. But I am not a fan of the attachment as bad thoery. I am not on any path that seeks to lessen attachment, I am hungry for more of it. Anything I learned from
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Curtis, H, you keep pulling the rug out from under my Curtis' beliefs are processes. Attachment as something good seems to be debatable; your definition of attachment would necessarily be needed here by me to feel like I have traction to counter you. But, meanwhile, let me blurbify. I still hold that it's true that attachment (by my definition) is a negative for personal psychology even if spiritual enlightenment is a bogus myth. To me, to be attached seems to be a process where we lock-in on some thing, and then we begin to resist any other clearer-eyed view of our original investment in suchlike. The book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn which I'm certain that you must have read, underlines the problem of attachment when it comes to scientific advance. I hold the same is true for every and all investments in projections. From my own life, I see that I have, thousands upon thousands of times, unknowingly entered a cul-de-sac that eventually would peter-out, and I'd be left with but another tee shirt I don't like wearing, but I don't toss out the tee shirt, see? I have invested soo much into high concepts, personal skill sets, other people, etc. that only ended up as yet another time waster -- albeit entertaining, educating, emotionally triggering, etc. Time waster means that I reach a point where my interest in something has faded so much that I have to struggle to argue that I should have ever bothered beginning the relationship with it. I'm not against investment that gets one hooked on deepening one's skill sets, be they yodeling or fixing heart valves, but if such an attachment is framed by the ego with that's me, that's who I am then this is a falsity that must later be ripped by the roots out from one's world view when we see the folly of identifications that no longer serve but to which one is addicted. I USED to be so excellent at chess, piano, pocket billiards, creating artworks, but I haven't done that stuff for DECADES, and yet I'm over here still telling folks I'm a pianist like that like that. (Okay, yes, I can still play piano, but only on a plink-plunky basis.) This is where attachment keeps us within our self-imposed frames that no longer serve -- except that it pleases an ego. To me, any framing of reality is the original sin, and there went unity. Those of us that live a long time are certain to see the skills wane, the interests wane, the intent to live life fully wane. Some of us will arrive on a final hospital bed and only be able to stay awake a few minutes at a time, and even lifting a glass of water is impossible without a nurse helping us with a sippy cup. Whence then the use of all these identifications? What memories THEN will serve to make being an invalid less burdensome? I'm dying any second now, but let me think about how good I could put an eight ball into a side pocket. -- that won't work, right? To me attachment necessarily takes us out of the now and hard wires us into what was in the past still is. Ugh on that, cuz when the now is all you have, you'd best be well practiced at abiding in it. Not that you haven't dwelt in the now and got the tee shirt and strike a commanding figure when you wear it. Just sayin! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, Have you considered that Judy is like Guru Dev when he was looking for a guru? He got that one guru angry, and Guru Dev said something like: This guy's anger proves he isn't fully enlightened, so he's not the guru I seek. Edg my brother, don't get me started again on the hideous story of a poor boy who left home searching for a perfect father sold as a wonderful spiritual tale of his greatness. A boy so scarred by life with a family that he left his home and faced starvation rather than face another day of...what? What adult bastard caused a young boy so much pain that he needed to leave his home? And what family life life him so scarred that he led a life of homeless camping behind the KFC in the state park? Away from people, never to be with people, to hell with people... Sorry man, I get lost in that dark trance sometimes. The miracle story manufactured from obvious neglect and probable abuse. Plus his family was rich enough to find the kid. Why didn't they? OK back again. Let me focus. Judy like Guru Dev...through her dedication to hostility busting down people for, what was her last complaint about me...trying to be Mr. Wonderbread was it? No it was close though, Mr. Wonderful, that's it. She was taking me down for trying to present an impression that I am a wonderful human being full of the light of God and optimism that I can spread my music to the world or at least an improvement on those crappy sugary drinks pawned off as
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Curtis, you keep *proving my point*. When you get angry, you go blind. I can't count the number of misreadings of what I've said in what you write below. You're responding to posts you wrote in your own mind and attributed to me, not to my actual posts. How much of that is willful and how much is due to the red spots in front of your eyes, I couldn't say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come up with an alternate story line that will allow him to feel less bad about himself. So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Posters get from me what they give. Sometimes the switch is between a few different posts as with Jim who can start a rancorous debate and then in a few posts we are complimenting each other. You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share here. You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you rather than against you. First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening my eyes to greater self knowledge. You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core level kindness toward other people that would be required. You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in your posts. And secondly, for you to chastise me for having anger triggers. From a person who is the most high maintenance, fly-off-the-handle on any given phrase, soaring on the wings of her self-righteous claim to moral superiority, often screechingly angry posters here,I say (re-engage schtick) Sour, sour plum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
An intriguing question. To start I would orient your attention to the Wiki etymology page for the word cunt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt#Etymology --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You must be unaware of brahma-raakshasa-s. They are higher than mere humans and more dangerous than most people recognize. For example, Vag is probably a reborn brahma-rakshasa rather than a mere manushya-astika (i.e. vedic denier) although he has the guna-s of both of them. Are you refferring to Vaj on FFL ? Just curious, if 'Vag' is short for 'vagina', what could, pray tell, be the point?! I guess that's rather equivalent of calling someone a cunt??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Curtis, you keep *proving my point*. When you get angry, you go blind. I can't count the number of misreadings of what I've said in what you write below. You're responding to posts you wrote in your own mind and attributed to me, not to my actual posts. How much of that is willful and how much is due to the red spots in front of your eyes, I couldn't say. The burden of clear communication is on the writer Judy, as an editor you should know that. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I am usually pretty close in understanding what is being conveyed. So perhaps it is you who is blind to your own underlying malice toward me that comes through loud and clear on this end. Now you are not the only person who drinks the super-sized hater-aid when I post. But most of them don't have the posting stamina to engage in the kind of back and forth needed to generate deeper understanding. You and I have achieved that together sometimes and I appreciate it when it happens. I'll always be a sucker for a good Judy discussion. But it comes at the emotional cost of knowing that deep down you don't have my best interest in mind. You would like me to see myself in a more negative way. You invite me to lower my sense of self esteem to match your own distorted vision of who I am. And that gets me angry. I resent it. Not because you are malevolent, I see plenty of that in the world. But because in the midst of fascinating discussions swirling around our heads here lately, you are pissing it all away. And on what? Selling me on accepting a diminished vision of myself. I may not be able to live up to the kind accolades Robin bestows. But I know for shit-sure I am not the person you perceive me to be. And your unrelenting attempts to get me to buy-in to your dark vision is something I resent. Especially since I probably know better than anyone here what you could be contributing if you could get off this routine. Schtick free --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come up with an alternate story line that will allow him to feel less bad about himself. So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Posters get from me what they give. Sometimes the switch is between a few different posts as with Jim who can start a rancorous debate and then in a few posts we are complimenting each other. You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share here. You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you rather than against you. First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening my eyes to greater self knowledge. You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core level kindness toward other people that would be required. You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in your posts. And secondly, for you to chastise me for having anger triggers. From a person who is the most high maintenance, fly-off-the-handle on any given phrase, soaring on the wings of her self-righteous claim to moral superiority, often screechingly angry posters here,I say (re-engage schtick) Sour, sour plum.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Thank you, w. The best time to have written it would have been in the late seventies or early eighties. It's so long, now, much of it is lost. But I hear you and one never knows. On Jul 23, 2011, at 2:05 PM, wayback71 wrote: Mark, if you reconsider and decide to write that book (maybe a few of you should get together, brainstorm your memories and get the thing written) that would be of interest to many of of us. - I think it would sell and not just to TM'ers. If you don't do the book, I for one would be delighted to read more of these memories and stories. You have a wonderfully thoughtful way of writing about them, including the ambiguity. If you care to answer any or all - Were you there when the spaceship supposedly landed in Mallorca and MMY was driven to the beach and got on for a while? If so, what hapened? I was on TCC there then (Fall 1971 and early winter of 1972 til the move to Fiuggi) but not up that late at night. No, I heard about that but was, like you, a TTC participant then. Is there anyone one else here who was in the Karina? If so, I have a question I'd love to ask you. You say you saw angels, devas. Did you ever see anything on a subtle level that indicated that MMY was not on his best behavior or had an entirely human side as well? (ie did his energy change or darken) Absolutely. And not only on the subtle. I've already answered this obliquely regarding his sexual frustration, but it also occurred with his sex and other things. He definitely waxed and waned. There were times, one the most shocking of all, when I was really shaken by how he looked--shrunken, wasted, dark and with basically no energy. He had a large darker splotch on his cheek that he always covered with makeup and had even neglected to do that. But he always recovered very quickly. How did Maharishi chose you as skin boy? Oh, this... After the 108 group was formed, M decided to have the skin boys be 108s. As I said, Anthony Jobbe was skin boy before me and M really liked him but he was left behind in America when we left to start using Seelisberg because he was misrepresenting himself regarding his financial situation. John Mortenson, me and M flew to Switzerland. John had priority over me because I had taken a few months to teach TM, because I felt I wanted that experience, after the 108 course at Lake Tahoe. It's also possible John did some of that while I was teaching TM. But when I reconnected with M, Anthony was doing it by himself. So he started carrying the skin. But after a very short time, maybe a week or two, Maharishi said, You be on the buzzer, to me. The buzzer went from his bedroom to the room nearby where the skin boy slept. So I replied, But, M, if I am to do that I have to sleep in the room John is in. Yes, he said, sleep in that room. So I had to go and tell John, John checked back with M to make sure and left for Hawaii the next day. So I started knowing absolutely nothing. The first morning on the job, M buzzed me and said I need a dhoti. I had not even gone through his things and, in my flustered haste, brought a sheet to his room, put it down for him and left. Two minutes later, he buzzed and said, No, I need a DHOTI. This time I was more careful and brought him what he wanted. Was there any talk among the inner circle staff about doubts and concerns (especially when people got burned out and decided to leave), suspicions about meetings with Judith? Or were you all so heavily drugged by the bliss? No, but it wasn't because we were heavily drugged by bliss. In my case, it was because it was an internal process that I kept to myself. And no one ever approached me to talk about it. What was the single most powerful experience you had in your time around MMY? I really can't give you one. There were two categories, when I was rounding my brains out, all kinds of things happened. And when M cranked out the darshan to his most extraordinary levels. Were you around to see the introduction of the siddhis? If so, how did that come about from your perspective? No, I came back from trying to do stuff at the UN to participate in the second six month course. Do you still do TM? No. I sit and be with whatever arises. Usually, after a while, it all subsides and I am in some form of samadhi. Usually, the time being with what's arising exceeds the time in samadhi. Was it worth it, the growth and bliss versus the lengthy process of disillusionment of your dreams? Absolutely. I wouldn't have missed it for the world, unless, of course, I could have been with Guru Dev or a truer master.
[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Seems this post is the only one getting any action today. to be a teacher was to be a student anew, to relive the intoxication of insight, and to be a prophet, to sketch the world down to its very foundation-not simply to tease sight from blindness, but to demand that another see. R. Scott Bakker (another celebrity Canadian) Questions of vision aside, can we agree sour plum is a keeper? PS: Have you two read my screenplay? PPS: IMO, Ground Hog Day is the best movie to get a deep understanding of resentment. From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:19:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Curtis, you keep *proving my point*. When you get angry, you go blind. I can't count the number of misreadings of what I've said in what you write below. You're responding to posts you wrote in your own mind and attributed to me, not to my actual posts. How much of that is willful and how much is due to the red spots in front of your eyes, I couldn't say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come up with an alternate story line that will allow him to feel less bad about himself. So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Posters get from me what they give. Sometimes the switch is between a few different posts as with Jim who can start a rancorous debate and then in a few posts we are complimenting each other. You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share here. You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you rather than against you. First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening my eyes to greater self knowledge. You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core level kindness toward other people that would be required. You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in your posts. And secondly, for you to chastise me for having anger triggers. From a person who is the most high maintenance, fly-off-the-handle on any given phrase, soaring on the wings of her self-righteous claim to moral superiority, often screechingly angry posters here,I say (re-engage schtick) Sour, sour plum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: Curtis, H, you keep pulling the rug out from under my Curtis' beliefs are processes. Attachment as something good seems to be debatable; your definition of attachment would necessarily be needed here by me to feel like I have traction to counter you. You have countered my idiotic statement quite well without my definition. Now I am forced to actually think. God damn intelligent friends! I agree with most of what you wrote but I do think of it differently. I have given up the perspective of the ego and self peddled by the East. I think they misunderstood some critical pieces which we have the benefit of time to add. Part of it comes from my rejection that the silent part of my mind is my true self. I don't believe it. And I reject the notion that seeing myself as an identity such as musician diminishes me or is attached to ego in a negative way. I see myself as a human doing which is anathema to so many philosophies of living. The roles I play in the world, the skills I acquire are all pieces of the real me,my true self. And for every skill that will diminish as I age, I have two more that are not going to be so quickly squashed such as a love of learning or the delight I take in discovering another person's POV. When they go the shithouse has truly burned down and I don't believe my silent mind is going to be much help. Since meditating so much it made my ass hurt in the movement, and then stopping for 18 years, and then taking it up as a hobbyist in the last few years I have come to my own conclusions about the balance I am seeking of these opposing forces of dissociation and connection to my experience. NLP was useful in helping me find some distinctions of what states are appropriate for what activities. If you get stuck on too much one side or the other it causes trouble. This is the problem of both too much meditation and too much non-reflective experience. Although I am still working out the details of the differences and connections between the states of dissociation caused by meditation and those caused by trauma, I recognized that for me, I have so much affinity for dissociation that if I want to focus on something it is full experiential engagement. One rep of the mantra and I am back in wonderland floating free. But it takes some exercise and commitment to practicing my instruments to get me back into the sensual zone where I am at my best and can enjoy my life the most. That is what I meant by the balance I seek, more engagement, which would have been a more intelligent choice than attachment. But I have to work with the perceptiveness I have so that is what I said. And thanks to you I have been given a chance to re-think this choice. But hear me now and believe me later, when we are drooling in our laps in the rest home, if you are in the wheel chair next to me, I only want to hear stories about those outer skills, preferable including women's breasts. I want to hear about the best tryke experience you ever had and not one word about the best spiritual experience you had. And in return I will manage to get our Dominican nurse to come over to bend over picking something up right in front of us. I am already working on a whole bunch of strategies. Because the most interesting parts of us are not the self beyond our capacities. The infinite unbounded fluff cloud of whatever. It is those very capacities which, due to the circumstances of mortality, inevitably diminish. But if I am lucky, and from my association with my very funny 92 year old dad, sense of humor with be the last to fail us. So yes, I was full of shit about the attachment thing! But, meanwhile, let me blurbify. I still hold that it's true that attachment (by my definition) is a negative for personal psychology even if spiritual enlightenment is a bogus myth. To me, to be attached seems to be a process where we lock-in on some thing, and then we begin to resist any other clearer-eyed view of our original investment in suchlike. The book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn which I'm certain that you must have read, underlines the problem of attachment when it comes to scientific advance. I hold the same is true for every and all investments in projections. From my own life, I see that I have, thousands upon thousands of times, unknowingly entered a cul-de-sac that eventually would peter-out, and I'd be left with but another tee shirt I don't like wearing, but I don't toss out the tee shirt, see? I have invested soo much into high concepts, personal skill sets, other people, etc. that only ended up as yet another time waster -- albeit entertaining, educating, emotionally triggering, etc. Time waster means that I reach a point where my interest in something has faded so much that I have to struggle to argue
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
That sounds instead like the Yamaduta-s. Those who have passed several years in the dreadful hell and have no descendants (to offer gifts) in their favor become messengers of Yama. Garuda Purana 2.18.34 Also see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakshasa --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: According to the Srimad Bhagavatam, the rakshasas are the minions or servants of Lord Yama, the god of death. They are by definition, as human eaters, lower than human beings. In other words, they are beings who are unable to comprehend or apprehend the finer aspects of consciousness, or the unified field. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: You must be unaware of brahma-raakshasa-s. They are higher than mere humans and more dangerous than most people recognize. For example, Vag is probably a reborn brahma-rakshasa rather than a mere manushya-astika (i.e. vedic denier) although he has the guna-s of both of them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: Bhairitu: Of course but until they fall down you have to fight them or they will harm you. I don't think you would want to stand around and just let a mythical rakshasa eat you alive... You guys need to read a history book. In the Ramayana it is Rama the Hindu that calls the Buddhists of Ceylon 'rakshasas' and try to kill them. Get some smarts! The term 'rakshasas' you are using stands for racial purity of the Caucasian race. Why are you two insisting on speaking a language you can't even understand? You got everything backwards! According to vedic literature, human beings are actually higher than the rakshasas in the natural order of things on earth. So, the wickedness of the rakshasas become their own downfall, e.g. Hitler and the Third Reich...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Seems this post is the only one getting any action today. to be a teacher was to be a student anew, to relive the intoxication of insight, and to be a prophet, to sketch the world down to its very foundation-not simply to tease sight from blindness, but to demand that another see. R. Scott Bakker (another celebrity Canadian) Questions of vision aside, can we agree sour plum is a keeper? No, it has already jumped the shark I am afraid. It had its brief moment. I am not a fan of permanent nicknames. PS: Have you two read my screenplay? No, where can it be found? PPS: IMO, Ground Hog Day is the best movie to get a deep understanding of resentment. I sometimes feel as if I am living it right here. With some many personalities that have defined themselves over the years, it is fantastic when new personalities commit to the place to stir the pot. Recently you and Robin and Mark have revived my interest here. The discussions about perspectives on Maharishi are some of the best we have had don't you think? Seriously fascinating. From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:19:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals  Curtis, you keep *proving my point*. When you get angry, you go blind. I can't count the number of misreadings of what I've said in what you write below. You're responding to posts you wrote in your own mind and attributed to me, not to my actual posts. How much of that is willful and how much is due to the red spots in front of your eyes, I couldn't say. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come up with an alternate story line that will allow him to feel less bad about himself. So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Posters get from me what they give. Sometimes the switch is between a few different posts as with Jim who can start a rancorous debate and then in a few posts we are complimenting each other. You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share here. You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you rather than against you. First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening my eyes to greater self knowledge. You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core level kindness toward other people that would be required. You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in your posts. And secondly, for you to chastise me for having anger triggers. From a person who is the most high maintenance, fly-off-the-handle on any given phrase, soaring on the wings of her self-righteous claim to moral superiority, often screechingly angry posters here,I say (re-engage schtick) Sour, sour plum.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Forget 2012...the end of the world is 18,411 years away
I tried prognosticating the end of the world by spreading several boxes of Nabisco Wheat Thins crackers on the floor in various tile patterns and then divining the prediction from that arrangement. The problem I encountered was different arrangements resulted in different predictions, such as the world already ended 40,056,333 years ago, or that it will end 98,770 years from now, as an example. I have to conclude that my method does not work any better than any other prediction I have come across. I chose Wheat Thins to make the tile arrangement because I had not eaten any for years, and coming across a box I discovered, unlike many years ago, they now contain annato extract and turmeric oleoresin which gives them a much more appealing color, and vaguely resembled some of the Westminster tiles in the floor pictured in the article Turq mentioned. Others also predict various past and future states of our World, and they do not agree exactly but there is some similarity; here are links to two videos which show the state of the continents of Earth from about 600,000,000 years ago to 100,000,000 to 250,000,000 years from now, based on the science of plate techtonics. There is no end of the world here, things just move around a bit. As these dates lie outside human existence, I am spared from participating in the discussion of literature that followed Turq's post and revealing my ignorance of these writers and their respective abilities. http://youtu.be/NYbTNFN3NBo http://youtu.be/uGcDed4xVD4 -- --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: Follett is not a good writer, but he does tell a good story and I liked the history involved. Shardlake is on my list for this Fall. I added him when you posted your suggestions a few months ago. I just read At Home by Bill Bryson and really enjoyed all the historical info, now reading People of the Book by Geraldine Brooks (again not literature, but the history is good - about saving and restoring an old haggadah). Cleopatra by Stacey Shiff is next, then Shardlake. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: So says a scholarly article at the following link, which describes a newly-restored stone tapestry in Westminster Cathedral, which some believe reveals the date of Doomsday. http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/5731/weaving_the_worlds_end.html Fascinating article, really. It is. Ken Follett (Pillars of the Earth) could do a whole book about this this beautiful stone work. Oh, please, no. I just finished Pillars, and I kept wishing C.J. Sansom, author of the Matthew Shardlake novels I posted about here awhile back, could have written it. What a contrast! Such great material, and such a pedestrian treatment by Follett. Maybe if I hadn't read the Sansom novels first, I wouldn't have been so disappointed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: And this, too, M was always intensely vehement about maintaining the purity of the teaching. I can have compassion for the remaining TBs in their attempts to be vigilant about that. Me,too. Bevan and John did not invent the dome badge rules or the whole set of TMO rules. The rajas and higher ups are simply following Maharishi's very clear and long standing policies. I am sure that they believe that adjusting these rules would be the beginning of a slippery slide into all sorts of impurity of the teaching challenges. They are devotees doing their very best to honor their Master. These are MMYs wishes and rules, and things will not change as long as this generation of devotees - who actually spent time with MMY - are in charge. It is possible that if MMY were alive now, he would loosen things up, but no one in charge now will make that decision in Maharishi's place. It is the way it is and will stay the same and Bevan and John can not be blamed for this. Maharishi did this. That's an interesting post. Blessed are those who follows the Master in every thought, word and action. They will follow Him on the ladder towards Masterhood. Masterhood is not something that suddenly dawns, it is the result, the fruit of growth and expansion of consciousness during thousands of incarnations and years. It is said that Jesus of Nazareth was in CC at the time of dropping the body 2000 years ago. 2000 years is a relatively short time. Meanwhile Jesus and Maria have risen to be one of the closest coworkers with Maitreya. We are blessed that we can communicate with souls here on FFL that long time passed beyond the point of evolution of Jesus from Nazareth at his dropping the body. To be able to communicate with Jim and Rory is a great blessing. Maharishi was a revolutionary in his presenting of the ageless wisdom, his presenting of a technique for the householder; for the lovers of God and the atheist alike. To change the policies of the TMO which you correctly describe is from Maharishi, another revolutionary must arise. Can Raja Ram do that ? Perhaps. My thinking is rather that this world needs a time to think and digest Maharishi's message for mankind. If the TMO does not reform, the eternal reformer, our eldest Brother, Maitreya himself will present the future so beautifully laid out by Maharishi. This will happen within a very short span of time, Mr. Creme's Master indicated 2 years for all to be laid out in it's beauty. His work within the framework of the ageless Wisdom of Masters, of whom our Guru Dev is a Senior Master, is unfathomable His translation and commentaries of the BhagavadGita is a texbook of Love, a Love and Wisdom restored for ages to come by the grace of the Masters of Wisdom. Maharishi spearheded the enormous transformation of this earth we are witnessing today, as we speak. His transformative powers could not be realized without the eternal blessing of Guru Dev and the Masters of Wisdom. We are all the students of the Divine. I quite remember when a german journalist ask Maharishi a number of interesting questions in Vlodrop. One question was simply; who are you Maharishi ? I am a normal human being Bevan was quick to add; we have now received a new definition of a normal human being. In all he said to us some utterings crystalizes; Be happy ! Whatever you do or think; be happy ! Jai Guru Dev Jai Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] For the scientifically minded
Sometimes a video comes up whose scientific precision and merit is so high, it must be shared. If the movement had narrators like this, the World Plan would have been achieved years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg (Not work or kiddie safe.) I know it is an old one, but someone just sent it to me again and it was as funny as the first time.
[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Mark, I don't care what anyone says-the fact is, this has got to be the longest thread in FFL history. How the hell did you do it man? Ok, the subject line was the Rosetta stone of subject lines but great subject lines are no where near enough to achieve a 300+ thread. No, it takes a lot more that to achieve greatness. Hell, I was thinking to improve my subject line responses with something like SUICIDE but the wife said: Oh great, and then what do you do with them? She also said: A great subject line like Suicide is like Kirk Douglas breaking Michael into the business, he certainly got him his early auditions, but Michael's talent got him the parts. There must be an award or something for best post.? In fact, with the obvious marketing talent you have why are you asking a bunch of losers on FFL how to sell Maharishi's sandals? Are you just toying with us? In any event, I love your stories and I hope you give us more. LOL From: Mark Landau m...@sky5.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals Thank you, w. The best time to have written it would have been in the late seventies or early eighties. It's so long, now, much of it is lost. But I hear you and one never knows. On Jul 23, 2011, at 2:05 PM, wayback71 wrote: Mark, if you reconsider and decide to write that book (maybe a few of you should get together, brainstorm your memories and get the thing written) that would be of interest to many of of us. - I think it would sell and not just to TM'ers. If you don't do the book, I for one would be delighted to read more of these memories and stories. You have a wonderfully thoughtful way of writing about them, including the ambiguity. If you care to answer any or all - Were you there when the spaceship supposedly landed in Mallorca and MMY was driven to the beach and got on for a while? If so, what hapened? I was on TCC there then (Fall 1971 and early winter of 1972 til the move to Fiuggi) but not up that late at night. No, I heard about that but was, like you, a TTC participant then. Is there anyone one else here who was in the Karina? If so, I have a question I'd love to ask you. You say you saw angels, devas. Did you ever see anything on a subtle level that indicated that MMY was not on his best behavior or had an entirely human side as well? (ie did his energy change or darken) Absolutely. And not only on the subtle. I've already answered this obliquely regarding his sexual frustration, but it also occurred with his sex and other things. He definitely waxed and waned. There were times, one the most shocking of all, when I was really shaken by how he looked--shrunken, wasted, dark and with basically no energy. He had a large darker splotch on his cheek that he always covered with makeup and had even neglected to do that. But he always recovered very quickly. How did Maharishi chose you as skin boy? Oh, this... After the 108 group was formed, M decided to have the skin boys be 108s. As I said, Anthony Jobbe was skin boy before me and M really liked him but he was left behind in America when we left to start using Seelisberg because he was misrepresenting himself regarding his financial situation. John Mortenson, me and M flew to Switzerland. John had priority over me because I had taken a few months to teach TM, because I felt I wanted that experience, after the 108 course at Lake Tahoe. It's also possible John did some of that while I was teaching TM. But when I reconnected with M, Anthony was doing it by himself. So he started carrying the skin. But after a very short time, maybe a week or two, Maharishi said, You be on the buzzer, to me. The buzzer went from his bedroom to the room nearby where the skin boy slept. So I replied, But, M, if I am to do that I have to sleep in the room John is in. Yes, he said, sleep in that room. So I had to go and tell John, John checked back with M to make sure and left for Hawaii the next day. So I started knowing absolutely nothing. The first morning on the job, M buzzed me and said I need a dhoti. I had not even gone through his things and, in my flustered haste, brought a sheet to his room, put it down for him and left. Two minutes later, he buzzed and said, No, I need a DHOTI. This time I was more careful and brought him what he wanted. Was there any talk among the inner circle staff about doubts and concerns (especially when people got burned out and decided to leave), suspicions about meetings with Judith? Or were you all so heavily drugged by the bliss? No, but it wasn't because we were heavily drugged by bliss. In my case, it was because it was an internal process that I kept to myself. And no one ever approached me to talk about it. What was the single most powerful experience you had in your time around MMY? I really can't give you
[FairfieldLife] [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com snip No, it has already jumped the shark I am afraid. It had its brief moment. I am not a fan of permanent nicknames. say no more! PS: Have you two read my screenplay? curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com snip No, where can it be found? It's only a scene, it was posted yesterday at 12:17 Subject line: Rowing to Doha-scene 2 (was conflict in fiction) Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (324) Recent Activity:* New Members 3 Visit Your Group To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .
[FairfieldLife] 70% reduction in health care
Research shows 70% reduction in health care expenses of elderly people practising Transcendental Meditation Ask the Doctors 23 July 2011 Another in a series of peer-reviewed, scientific research studies investigates how the Transcendental Meditation program lowers health-care costs. The second study to be considered in this series—a study of Transcendental Meditation participants over the age of 65—investigated whether the Transcendental Meditation technique can reduce medical expenditures in the elderly. Payments to physicians for treating 163 Transcendental Meditation practitioners over the age of 65 were compared with those for 163 control subjects matched for age, sex and other factors. The TM group's five-year cumulative reduction in payments to physicians was 70% less than the control group's. This is especially significant because the elderly account for disproportionately higher expenses than the rest of the population. Rising costs for health care for the elderly are a major concern for governments and health insurance providers throughout the world. Reference: Herron, R.E. Cavanaugh, K. Can the Transcendental Meditation Program Reduce the Medical Expenditures of Older People? A Longitudinal Cost Reduction Study in Canada. Journal of Social Behavior and Personality 2005, 17: 415-442. Click here for more about Transcendental Meditation and reduced health care costs, including related research showing reduced health care utilization in all categories of disease, and other published studies. © Copyright 2011 American Association of Physicians Practicing the Transcendental Meditation Technique
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
I am not really tracking this but your nickname reminded me of the sour plums I had in Hong Kong, an acquired taste if there is one! Extremely salty and not at all plummy. You being a foodie, I was curious what you think of them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come up with an alternate story line that will allow him to feel less bad about himself. So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Posters get from me what they give. Sometimes the switch is between a few different posts as with Jim who can start a rancorous debate and then in a few posts we are complimenting each other. You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share here. You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you rather than against you. First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening my eyes to greater self knowledge. You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core level kindness toward other people that would be required. You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in your posts. And secondly, for you to chastise me for having anger triggers. From a person who is the most high maintenance, fly-off-the-handle on any given phrase, soaring on the wings of her self-righteous claim to moral superiority, often screechingly angry posters here,I say (re-engage schtick) Sour, sour plum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, Have you considered that Judy is like Guru Dev when he was looking for a guru? He got that one guru angry, and Guru Dev said something like: This guy's anger proves he isn't fully enlightened, so he's not the guru I seek. Edg my brother, don't get me started again on the hideous story of a poor boy who left home searching for a perfect father sold as a wonderful spiritual tale of his greatness. A boy so scarred by life with a family that he left his home and faced starvation rather than face another day of...what? What adult bastard caused a young boy so much pain that he needed to leave his home? And what family life life him so scarred that he led a life of homeless camping behind the KFC in the state park? Away from people, never to be with people, to hell with people... Sorry man, I get lost in that dark trance sometimes. The miracle story manufactured from obvious neglect and probable abuse. Plus his family was rich enough to find the kid. Why didn't they? OK back again. Let me focus. Judy like Guru Dev...through her dedication to hostility busting down people for, what was her last complaint about me...trying to be Mr. Wonderbread was it? No it was close though, Mr. Wonderful, that's it. She was taking me down for trying to present an impression that I am a wonderful human being full of the light of God and optimism that I can spread my music to the world or at least an improvement on those crappy sugary drinks pawned off as Chaipirinias in Mall bars. I'm having a little trouble following you here although the idea that some misfortune in the past my be the shared cause for aniti-social tendencies might be a rich vein to explore... Gotta give that which pokes ya and irks ya a
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Jim and Rory, souls in the know on this. We already know Vaj to be one in a couple of donkeys and jackasses posting here. RG: * * If you're asking me, Vaj is exactly like every one of us mere humans: a Maharishi (in every sense of the word, spanning the whole range of creation)-- Dumbledore and Voldemort, devata and rakshasa; supremely enlightened, supremely passionate, supremely ignorant; ordinary and extraordinary all in one and all at once -- simultaneously absolutely no-thing and a kaleidoscopic mix of every quality in creation; a mirror, an emptiful screen upon which we delight in playing out our various dramas as if they are somehow not-Us :-) nablusoss1008: Why did I ask you for an opinion ? :-) * * I have no idea, nablusoss, but thank you for asking; it was fun to write! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I am not really tracking this but your nickname reminded me of the sour plums I had in Hong Kong, an acquired taste if there is one! Extremely salty and not at all plummy. You being a foodie, I was curious what you think of them? Love em! My Vietnamese GF of years past turned me on to them. Sour salty plums are such a uniquely Asian tongue spanking! You can even find some with chili to add another sensory assault. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come up with an alternate story line that will allow him to feel less bad about himself. So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Posters get from me what they give. Sometimes the switch is between a few different posts as with Jim who can start a rancorous debate and then in a few posts we are complimenting each other. You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share here. You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you rather than against you. First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening my eyes to greater self knowledge. You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core level kindness toward other people that would be required. You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in your posts. And secondly, for you to chastise me for having anger triggers. From a person who is the most high maintenance, fly-off-the-handle on any given phrase, soaring on the wings of her self-righteous claim to moral superiority, often screechingly angry posters here,I say (re-engage schtick) Sour, sour plum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, Have you considered that Judy is like Guru Dev when he was looking for a guru? He got that one guru angry, and Guru Dev said something like: This guy's anger proves he isn't fully enlightened, so he's not the guru I seek. Edg my brother, don't get me started again on the hideous story of a poor boy who left home searching for a perfect father sold as a wonderful spiritual tale of his greatness. A boy so scarred by life with a family that he left his home and faced starvation rather than face another day of...what? What adult bastard caused a young boy so much pain that he needed to leave his home? And what family life life him so scarred that he led a life of homeless camping behind the KFC in the state park? Away from people, never to be with people, to hell with people... Sorry man, I get lost in that dark trance sometimes. The miracle story manufactured from obvious neglect and probable abuse. Plus his family was rich enough to find the kid. Why didn't they? OK back again. Let me focus. Judy like Guru Dev...through her dedication to hostility busting down people for, what was her last complaint about me...trying to be Mr. Wonderbread was it? No it was close though, Mr. Wonderful, that's it. She was taking me down for trying to present an impression that I am a wonderful human being full of the light of God and optimism that I can spread my
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
To change the policies of the TMO which you correctly describe is from Maharishi, another revolutionary must arise. Can Raja Ram do that ? Perhaps. As chief bureaucrat for the TMO possibly, but not as the public face of the TMO. Tony Ram seems like a really, really nice guy, but if Maharishi had a charisma level of 100, Tony's is in the single digits. Unfortunately true of the other TMO public figures as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: And this, too, M was always intensely vehement about maintaining the purity of the teaching. I can have compassion for the remaining TBs in their attempts to be vigilant about that. Me,too. Bevan and John did not invent the dome badge rules or the whole set of TMO rules. The rajas and higher ups are simply following Maharishi's very clear and long standing policies. I am sure that they believe that adjusting these rules would be the beginning of a slippery slide into all sorts of impurity of the teaching challenges. They are devotees doing their very best to honor their Master. These are MMYs wishes and rules, and things will not change as long as this generation of devotees - who actually spent time with MMY - are in charge. It is possible that if MMY were alive now, he would loosen things up, but no one in charge now will make that decision in Maharishi's place. It is the way it is and will stay the same and Bevan and John can not be blamed for this. Maharishi did this. That's an interesting post. Blessed are those who follows the Master in every thought, word and action. They will follow Him on the ladder towards Masterhood. Masterhood is not something that suddenly dawns, it is the result, the fruit of growth and expansion of consciousness during thousands of incarnations and years. It is said that Jesus of Nazareth was in CC at the time of dropping the body 2000 years ago. 2000 years is a relatively short time. Meanwhile Jesus and Maria have risen to be one of the closest coworkers with Maitreya. We are blessed that we can communicate with souls here on FFL that long time passed beyond the point of evolution of Jesus from Nazareth at his dropping the body. To be able to communicate with Jim and Rory is a great blessing. Maharishi was a revolutionary in his presenting of the ageless wisdom, his presenting of a technique for the householder; for the lovers of God and the atheist alike. To change the policies of the TMO which you correctly describe is from Maharishi, another revolutionary must arise. Can Raja Ram do that ? Perhaps. My thinking is rather that this world needs a time to think and digest Maharishi's message for mankind. If the TMO does not reform, the eternal reformer, our eldest Brother, Maitreya himself will present the future so beautifully laid out by Maharishi. This will happen within a very short span of time, Mr. Creme's Master indicated 2 years for all to be laid out in it's beauty. His work within the framework of the ageless Wisdom of Masters, of whom our Guru Dev is a Senior Master, is unfathomable His translation and commentaries of the BhagavadGita is a texbook of Love, a Love and Wisdom restored for ages to come by the grace of the Masters of Wisdom. Maharishi spearheded the enormous transformation of this earth we are witnessing today, as we speak. His transformative powers could not be realized without the eternal blessing of Guru Dev and the Masters of Wisdom. We are all the students of the Divine. I quite remember when a german journalist ask Maharishi a number of interesting questions in Vlodrop. One question was simply; who are you Maharishi ? I am a normal human being Bevan was quick to add; we have now received a new definition of a normal human being. In all he said to us some utterings crystalizes; Be happy ! Whatever you do or think; be happy ! Jai Guru Dev Jai Maharishi
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
They are really intense. I haven't tried the chili ones. All I can say is pucker up! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I am not really tracking this but your nickname reminded me of the sour plums I had in Hong Kong, an acquired taste if there is one! Extremely salty and not at all plummy. You being a foodie, I was curious what you think of them? Love em! My Vietnamese GF of years past turned me on to them. Sour salty plums are such a uniquely Asian tongue spanking! You can even find some with chili to add another sensory assault. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Fun to watch Curtis (and Edg, but to a lesser extent because he isn't immediately involved) stand on his head to avoid seeing what's actually going on here, exercising his creative powers to the utmost to come up with an alternate story line that will allow him to feel less bad about himself. So the mission of the sour plum is to help assist me feeling badly about myself? So noble, so kind. So you. Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. There is nothing hulk-like about this switch. Posters get from me what they give. Sometimes the switch is between a few different posts as with Jim who can start a rancorous debate and then in a few posts we are complimenting each other. You more than anyone here has an agenda to get my goat and when you succeed you claim it as a personality defect rather than the natural reaction that you yourself share here. You are trying to demonize me for trying to gain rapport with people here (that is being Mr. Wonderful) and then reacting defensively when attacked. And a typical cycle of triggers is if any poster has a run of too many positive posts with me. It seems to unhinge you. At any rate, Curtis might find it of benefit to do some reading/thinking about Jung's recommendation to acknowledge and ultimately accept one's Shadow side. If you can make friends with your Shadow, you're a lot more likely to get it to work with you rather than against you. First of all please don't attempt to couch your malevolent intentions toward me as some kind of exercise in opening my eyes to greater self knowledge. You don't have the empathy skills needed, or even the core level kindness toward other people that would be required. You are not a people person Judy. It reveals itself again and again in your low emotional intelligence displayed in your posts. And secondly, for you to chastise me for having anger triggers. From a person who is the most high maintenance, fly-off-the-handle on any given phrase, soaring on the wings of her self-righteous claim to moral superiority, often screechingly angry posters here,I say (re-engage schtick) Sour, sour plum. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, Have you considered that Judy is like Guru Dev when he was looking for a guru? He got that one guru angry, and Guru Dev said something like: This guy's anger proves he isn't fully enlightened, so he's not the guru I seek. Edg my brother, don't get me started again on the hideous story of a poor boy who left home searching for a perfect father sold as a wonderful spiritual tale of his greatness. A boy so scarred by life with a family that he left his home and faced starvation rather than face another day of...what? What adult bastard caused a young boy so much pain that he needed to leave his home? And what family life life him so scarred that he led a life of homeless camping behind the KFC in the state park? Away from people, never to be with people, to hell with people... Sorry man, I get lost in that dark trance sometimes. The miracle story manufactured from obvious neglect and probable abuse. Plus his family was rich enough to find the kid. Why didn't they? OK back again. Let me focus. Judy like Guru Dev...through her dedication to hostility busting down people for, what was her last
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
RG: * * If you're asking me, Vaj is exactly like every one of us mere humans: a Maharishi (in every sense of the word, spanning the whole range of creation)-- Dumbledore and Voldemort, devata and rakshasa; supremely enlightened, supremely passionate, supremely ignorant; ordinary and extraordinary all in one and all at once -- simultaneously absolutely no-thing and a kaleidoscopic mix of every quality in creation; a mirror, an emptiful screen upon which we delight in playing out our various dramas as if they are somehow not-Us :-) Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Beautiful response Rory, loved it. * * Ha! As one mirror to another, Ravi-Ji, many thanks; I heartily appreciate your appreciation! All gratitude to Maharishi, my fathomless source, that first perfectly-clear fun-house mirror who showed me so ruthlessly mercifully what we ARE ...:-)
[FairfieldLife] Ravi, an Edelstein
Beautiful !
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Buddha's Meditation
This appears to be basically a self-validating promo for TM by using TM definitions and explanations. A more significant work about original Buddhist meditation is: The Origin of Buddhist Meditation by Alexander Wynne Routledge Critical Studies in Buddhism Paperback, $29.95 . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@... wrote: The Buddha's Meditation by Evan Finkelstein, PhD ElephantJournal.com   23 July 2011 An article by Dr Evan Finkelstein, faculty member at Maharishi University of Management, has been published in Elephant Journal. Dr Finkelstein's essay, 'The Buddha's Meditation', begins by asking, 'What kind of meditation did the Buddha teach?' It goes on to explore both ancient texts of Buddhism and modern forms of meditation to determine what would fulfil the Buddha's criteria for an effective method--one that allows the conscious mind to experience the bliss of Nirvana, the highest happiness, and develop 'tranquility and insight'. Dr Finkelstein discusses 'the two most popular forms of Buddhist meditation taught today', which are called Samatha and Vipassana/Mindfulness meditation, in relation to the purpose of bringing the mind to a highly concentrated state, and that of developing true insight into the ultimate reality of life. He also discusses the Transcendental Meditation technique as an effortless, 'natural process of turning around the ''mechanism for hearing'' ' referred to in the Shurangama Sutra. 'The right method of meditation,' Dr Finkelstein concludes, 'would be one that is capable of bringing us beyond all the impermanent, ever-changing, conditioned states of existence to the state of Nirvana. It would be a method that is capable of completely transcending its own process and leaving us at one with the Absolute, freed from the illusion of a limited and separate self-existence. 'Then, through its regular effortless practice, this method would allow us to fully integrate and stabilize this unwavering, Absolute state of Nirvana into all activities and experiences of daily life allowing us to achieve the goal of all Buddhas and Bodhisattvasâa world without suffering.' Click here to read the complete article. Dr Finkelstein is professor of Comparative Religion and Maharishi Vedic Science at Maharishi University of Management. He has written articles that identify the common ground inherent in many of the ancient wisdom traditions. He has taught numerous courses on the universal principles that can be located in Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. © Copyright 2011 Waylon H. Lewis Enterprises
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I like the perspective though I am sometimes interested to know what you think personally; for example, would you live as roommates with the guy? * * Absolutely; I would happily live as roommates with anyone, if Grace arranged it thus. Essentially, I consider everyone my friend, to one degree or another. I have no doubt that given the impetus we could find sufficient common ground to base a cordial relationship upon, or at the very least to honor each other's space.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Buddha's Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: This appears to be basically a self-validating promo for TM by using TM definitions and explanations. A more significant work about original Buddhist meditation is: The Lord Buddha wanted Nirvana for everyone. Maharishi accomplish his goal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Thank you, w. The best time to have written it would have been in the late seventies or early eighties. It's so long, now, much of it is lost. But I hear you and one never knows. On Jul 23, 2011, at 2:05 PM, wayback71 wrote: Mark, if you reconsider and decide to write that book (maybe a few of you should get together, brainstorm your memories and get the thing written) that would be of interest to many of of us. - I think it would sell and not just to TM'ers. If you don't do the book, I for one would be delighted to read more of these memories and stories. You have a wonderfully thoughtful way of writing about them, including the ambiguity. If you care to answer any or all - Were you there when the spaceship supposedly landed in Mallorca and MMY was driven to the beach and got on for a while? If so, what hapened? I was on TCC there then (Fall 1971 and early winter of 1972 til the move to Fiuggi) but not up that late at night. No, I heard about that but was, like you, a TTC participant then. Is there anyone one else here who was in the Karina? If so, I have a question I'd love to ask you. You say you saw angels, devas. Did you ever see anything on a subtle level that indicated that MMY was not on his best behavior or had an entirely human side as well? (ie did his energy change or darken) Absolutely. And not only on the subtle. I've already answered this obliquely regarding his sexual frustration, but it also occurred with his sex and other things. He definitely waxed and waned. There were times, one the most shocking of all, when I was really shaken by how he looked--shrunken, wasted, dark and with basically no energy. He had a large darker splotch on his cheek that he always covered with makeup and had even neglected to do that. But he always recovered very quickly. How did Maharishi chose you as skin boy? Oh, this... After the 108 group was formed, M decided to have the skin boys be 108s. As I said, Anthony Jobbe was skin boy before me and M really liked him but he was left behind in America when we left to start using Seelisberg because he was misrepresenting himself regarding his financial situation. John Mortenson, me and M flew to Switzerland. John had priority over me because I had taken a few months to teach TM, because I felt I wanted that experience, after the 108 course at Lake Tahoe. It's also possible John did some of that while I was teaching TM. But when I reconnected with M, Anthony was doing it by himself. So he started carrying the skin. But after a very short time, maybe a week or two, Maharishi said, You be on the buzzer, to me. The buzzer went from his bedroom to the room nearby where the skin boy slept. So I replied, But, M, if I am to do that I have to sleep in the room John is in. Yes, he said, sleep in that room. So I had to go and tell John, John checked back with M to make sure and left for Hawaii the next day. So I started knowing absolutely nothing. The first morning on the job, M buzzed me and said I need a dhoti. I had not even gone through his things and, in my flustered haste, brought a sheet to his room, put it down for him and left. Two minutes later, he buzzed and said, No, I need a DHOTI. This time I was more careful and brought him what he wanted. Was there any talk among the inner circle staff about doubts and concerns (especially when people got burned out and decided to leave), suspicions about meetings with Judith? Or were you all so heavily drugged by the bliss? No, but it wasn't because we were heavily drugged by bliss. In my case, it was because it was an internal process that I kept to myself. And no one ever approached me to talk about it. What was the single most powerful experience you had in your time around MMY? I really can't give you one. There were two categories, when I was rounding my brains out, all kinds of things happened. And when M cranked out the darshan to his most extraordinary levels. Were you around to see the introduction of the siddhis? If so, how did that come about from your perspective? No, I came back from trying to do stuff at the UN to participate in the second six month course. Do you still do TM? No. I sit and be with whatever arises. Usually, after a while, it all subsides and I am in some form of samadhi. Usually, the time being with what's arising exceeds the time in samadhi. Was it worth it, the growth and bliss versus the lengthy process of disillusionment of your dreams? Absolutely. I wouldn't have missed it for the world, unless, of course, I could have been with Guru Dev or a truer master. Thank you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
I should clarify - I meant for *more* than 15 minutes...;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I like the perspective though I am sometimes interested to know what you think personally; for example, would you live as roommates with the guy? * * Absolutely; I would happily live as roommates with anyone, if Grace arranged it thus. Essentially, I consider everyone my friend, to one degree or another. I have no doubt that given the impetus we could find sufficient common ground to base a cordial relationship upon, or at the very least to honor each other's space.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Republicans= Raksashas'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I should clarify - I meant for *more* than 15 minutes...;-) * * Ha! Funny, Jim. Yes, for as long as Grace willed it. Of course, in reality, my wife would probably have something to say about it; she's generally not been too big on roommates :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 70% reduction in health care
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@... wrote: Research shows 70% reduction in health care expenses of elderly people practising Transcendental Meditation Ask the Doctors   23 July 2011 Another in a series of peer-reviewed, scientific research studies investigates how the Transcendental Meditation program lowers health-care costs. The second study to be considered in this seriesâa study of Transcendental Meditation participants over the age of 65âinvestigated whether the Transcendental Meditation technique can reduce medical expenditures in the elderly. Payments to physicians for treating 163 Transcendental Meditation practitioners over the age of 65 were compared with those for 163 control subjects matched for age, sex and other factors. The TM group's five-year cumulative reduction in payments to physicians was 70% less than the control group's. This is especially significant because the elderly account for disproportionately higher expenses than the rest of the population. Rising costs for health care for the elderly are a major concern for governments and health insurance providers throughout the world. Reference: Herron, R.E. Cavanaugh, K. Can the Transcendental Meditation Program Reduce the Medical Expenditures of Older People? A Longitudinal Cost Reduction Study in Canada. Journal of Social Behavior and Personality 2005, 17: 415-442. Click here for more about Transcendental Meditation and reduced health care costs, including related research showing reduced health care utilization in all categories of disease, and other published studies. © Copyright 2011 American Association of Physicians Practicing the Transcendental Meditation Technique Journal of Social Behavior and Personality, reads like a study that may harness belief. Some people practicing belief or a trained practice of relaxation, who have chronic illness may feel it is best not to go to the physicians because it is belief they can heal otherwise, or someone claiming to use alternatives outside of themselves, can heal them for a fee, which this fact would bring down the cost of needing physicians until it may be too late and death is knocking at one's door. In this respect, I can see a 70% reduction in health care cost occurring. There may not be much life left by this time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: To change the policies of the TMO which you correctly describe is from Maharishi, another revolutionary must arise. Can Raja Ram do that ? Perhaps. As chief bureaucrat for the TMO possibly, but not as the public face of the TMO. Tony Ram seems like a really, really nice guy, but if Maharishi had a charisma level of 100, Tony's is in the single digits. Unfortunately true of the other TMO public figures as well. That may well be Jim. I think it is now important to give Raja Ram some time to consider the future of the TMO. Tony is nobodys fool and we have not yet seen his initiatives. And, hello: he knows very well he is not Maharishi ! Regarding your last comment, did you see Bevan speak live, in person lately ? Did you attend a lecture by David Lynch lately ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good by Amy, you will be missed
Those clips of her when she was sober showed her true talent. But this was her last performance: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stopthepresses/392230/amy-winehouses-slow-fade-five-years-of-fallowness/ May she rest in peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: We really have to get this drug-synapse connection handled. I am sick of losing people to this shit. At her best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVBoXtxD0Rsplaynext=1list=PL2D4F755C610950CA I was SO not a fan, Curtis. I don't think I'd ever listened to a single one of her songs, largely because I couldn't get past her public image as Out Of Control Girl. I had two predispositions to not like her music, the one you mention as well as a style of music that is usually too soft for my primitive tastes. But having been given her CD for a birthday present one year, I gave it a fair listen and once again, as often happens in matters of my taste prejudices, I found I was wrong. The girl had real talent, a distinctive voice, and a sly sense of humor expressed in her personal style and song choices. I'm sorry you didn't get to hear that song because it was in her hands the genuine article. I found this version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UufMAsvzgsfeature=related Could Beyonce sing this song this believably? Adele? Any other contemporary artist? It took Amy, and the reasons she was believable, in the end, took her down. So having eaten crow once again I started reading a bit about her, a precocious arts school phenom whose teachers loved her for her talent and hated her for her total lack of self discipline. She was just a baby when the fame monster put her on its back. A confused baby. A baby with substance abuse problems. Formula for disaster. Think about the crow she had to eat when she finally DID go to rehab after her famous song. But she did. She had people who loved her and a whole team of families who bet on her horse to support their families. All of whom just got completely screwed with the cancellation of this last tour. So much human tragedy surrounds a falling star. It incinerates many lives in its path. She was just a slip of a thing, tiny, with her improbably tall beehive and big, big voice. But the fury she had incited in her neruo-transmitters could not be managed. I don't believe it was due to lack of loving support around her or even her own desire to live a full life. I blame it on a puritanically influenced medical system whose best answer for a girl with her problem is to go to a 12 step program and pray that she will get delivered from her sin. She deserved better. You wrote an excellent post about stars you met and the lifestyle that took them down. So many people are involved in a big tour that they have to cram it into a shitty schedule. Built-in disaster for the performers. And for big acts these tours go on and on. How can a person give everything in performance when their get up and go, got up and left? Ah, a line or two, few bumps between sets works fantastically for a while. Until the brain grows too many receptor sites for the amount of neruo-transmitters you can generate without the lines...but on to an early morning radio show after falling into bed at 3 am so sniff sniff and sound check at 3 pm... I was too late to see the YouTube link you posted (the poster seems to have closed his/her account), but today one of my Facebook friends posted a link that got me over my aversion and forced me to listen to my first Amy Winehouse song. It's the choice of song that did it. This song is one of my guilty favorites from my own teenage years. Written by Carole King and then-husband Gerry Goffin for the Shirelles, I was such a lovesick sap at 15 that I used to listen to it over and over. Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwN806lLKZQ The other Shirelles song I used to obsess on, this one written by Burt Bacharach. To this day, I still love the cheezy Farfiza organ solo and the breathy vocals by Shirley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvoNmBLhVI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good by Amy, you will be missed
RIP Amy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaAB5qwhi0w --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Those clips of her when she was sober showed her true talent. But this was her last performance: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stopthepresses/392230/amy-winehouses-slow-fade-five-years-of-fallowness/ May she rest in peace. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: We really have to get this drug-synapse connection handled. I am sick of losing people to this shit. At her best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVBoXtxD0Rsplaynext=1list=PL2D4F755C610950CA I was SO not a fan, Curtis. I don't think I'd ever listened to a single one of her songs, largely because I couldn't get past her public image as Out Of Control Girl. I had two predispositions to not like her music, the one you mention as well as a style of music that is usually too soft for my primitive tastes. But having been given her CD for a birthday present one year, I gave it a fair listen and once again, as often happens in matters of my taste prejudices, I found I was wrong. The girl had real talent, a distinctive voice, and a sly sense of humor expressed in her personal style and song choices. I'm sorry you didn't get to hear that song because it was in her hands the genuine article. I found this version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UufMAsvzgsfeature=related Could Beyonce sing this song this believably? Adele? Any other contemporary artist? It took Amy, and the reasons she was believable, in the end, took her down. So having eaten crow once again I started reading a bit about her, a precocious arts school phenom whose teachers loved her for her talent and hated her for her total lack of self discipline. She was just a baby when the fame monster put her on its back. A confused baby. A baby with substance abuse problems. Formula for disaster. Think about the crow she had to eat when she finally DID go to rehab after her famous song. But she did. She had people who loved her and a whole team of families who bet on her horse to support their families. All of whom just got completely screwed with the cancellation of this last tour. So much human tragedy surrounds a falling star. It incinerates many lives in its path. She was just a slip of a thing, tiny, with her improbably tall beehive and big, big voice. But the fury she had incited in her neruo-transmitters could not be managed. I don't believe it was due to lack of loving support around her or even her own desire to live a full life. I blame it on a puritanically influenced medical system whose best answer for a girl with her problem is to go to a 12 step program and pray that she will get delivered from her sin. She deserved better. You wrote an excellent post about stars you met and the lifestyle that took them down. So many people are involved in a big tour that they have to cram it into a shitty schedule. Built-in disaster for the performers. And for big acts these tours go on and on. How can a person give everything in performance when their get up and go, got up and left? Ah, a line or two, few bumps between sets works fantastically for a while. Until the brain grows too many receptor sites for the amount of neruo-transmitters you can generate without the lines...but on to an early morning radio show after falling into bed at 3 am so sniff sniff and sound check at 3 pm... I was too late to see the YouTube link you posted (the poster seems to have closed his/her account), but today one of my Facebook friends posted a link that got me over my aversion and forced me to listen to my first Amy Winehouse song. It's the choice of song that did it. This song is one of my guilty favorites from my own teenage years. Written by Carole King and then-husband Gerry Goffin for the Shirelles, I was such a lovesick sap at 15 that I used to listen to it over and over. Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwN806lLKZQ The other Shirelles song I used to obsess on, this one written by Burt Bacharach. To this day, I still love the cheezy Farfiza organ solo and the breathy vocals by Shirley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHvoNmBLhVI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Curtis, you keep *proving my point*. When you get angry, you go blind. I can't count the number of misreadings of what I've said in what you write below. You're responding to posts you wrote in your own mind and attributed to me, not to my actual posts. How much of that is willful and how much is due to the red spots in front of your eyes, I couldn't say. The burden of clear communication is on the writer Judy, as an editor you should know that. Total bullshit in this context. The writer can't be blamed for not being able to overcome a reader's hostile determination to misunderstand. Gonna give you just one example from your previous post (don't have time now to fisk the whole collection of misreadings): snip Two hints: (1) Not looking for a guru in Curtis; and (2) anger *per se* isn't the problem. It's the Hulk- like transformation the anger triggers that's the problem. Or maybe Jekyll/Hyde is a better analogy. Off my schtick for a moment here. Your complaint is ridiculously pointed at me for the most human quality of reacting angrily to hostility and (what seems to me) unfair attack. I say anger *per se* isn't the problem, and you respond that I'm complaining about your anger. Yet above you said, I am usually pretty close in understanding what is being conveyed. Sure, if understanding the direct opposite of what is being conveyed is what you call pretty close! And I've already been very specific a number of times about what I mean by transformation. In my last post in our previous exchange, I put it this way: The thing is, when you get pissed, you lose all sense of proportion and fairness, and you too often become actively dishonest, hauling out one straw man after another, as you just did above. You pull out your sophist debating tricks and make it impossible to discuss misunderstandings and grievances on either side. Or, as I said several posts back, you're a dirty fighter. Anger *per se* isn't the problem. As you say, reacting angrily to hostility and perceived unfairness is a most human quality. You wouldn't be human if you didn't. You *could*, however, do so without feeling you have to fight dirty. That is not an unavoidable feature of rancorous debate. That's all I have time for now, but blatant misreadings like this pervade your response. If I can, I'll get to some more of them later tonight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:07 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: [...] %20the%20Odd%20Side/ the conversation between Rob McCutcheon and Ned Wynn (among others) regarding Maharishi's dark side, and reading someone's skeptical stance towards all this, posing the question [which this true believer thought a knock-down argument]: No one has explained WHY he [M] did this [paraphrasing here]�as if, sure, you can besmirch Maharishi's reputation all you wish, but until you can put all these scandalous accusations and anecdotes inside a context of motive and cause, *they cannot be believed*. It is hard to take seriously a person (Ned Wynn) who writes things like this: My warning is that teaching these mantras without revealing��to monotheists specifically��that they translate into English, with some variations, To Lord Shiva, I bow down, could lead to some real trouble for the teachers. http://tmfree.blogspot.com/2010/03/ned-wynn-personal-danger-of-teaching.html Why would that be hard to believe? Transcendental Meditation teachers have lied to students for decades who believed there should be no god other than Jehovah, often using alleged rabbis and priests in this deception. Are you saying that the mantras used by most TM teachers mean I bow down to xyz? L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
He's talking about rank and file TM teachers talking to rank and file beginning meditators. Are you saying that the beginning mantras have that or similar meaning, in Sanskrit or any other language? L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:07 AM, sparaig wrote: It is hard to take seriously a person (Ned Wynn) who writes things like this: My warning is that teaching these mantras without revealing��to monotheists specifically��that they translate into English, with some variations, To Lord Shiva, I bow down, could lead to some real trouble for the teachers. Not to those who value honesty, since that sounds like all he's asking for. Truth in advertising, you might say. Whatever you call it, it's pretty stinker-like of whomever feels he or she can get away with it. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Visit with Amma
Amma is an avatar, an incarnation of the divine. Not a karmic human at all. That is why the name of Amma is prevalent throughout the bhajans and elsewhere. There is no difference between praying to God and praying to an avatar. A familiar example of this is how in MMY's Gita, Krishna is referred to as the Lord. An interesting case is that of Mother Meera. Mother Meera is also an avatar and recommends that seekers do japa (repeating the name of the divine as often during the day as possible) to Mother Meera. Yet, Mother Meera is as far from being a guru-led organization and/or a cult as can be. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dmevans365 dmevans365@... wrote: I am writing this as an account of my and my children's participation in a recent Amma retreat. As background: I was laid off a stressful job in corporate america in January after many years in a deadline-driven career. We were invited by a friend to attend the retreat. I was curious and interested in meeting a saint who supposedly embodies the concepts of love and compassion. I have no background in the Hindu religion, Indian culture, or guru philosophy. I am not religious but believe in God, as the universe and nature, and our ability to access and receive personal guidance and help from the source energy. I believe that God is love. I attended with my heart wide open to possibilities and encouraged my kids to do the same. I attended the free program on Friday around 3 in the afternoon to introduce myself to the environment I had signed us up for the following 3 days. Loud Indian chant music was playing, many things were being sold, people were standing in line, the energy in the room was apparent. I purchased white clothing and a book and a cute little tiny Amma doll for myself and the kids. I had little idea what to expect, having never attended anything quite like this, but stayed in place of non-judgement and was excited. Over the next three days, I followed the program plan schedule. Receiving a hug from Amma was not like any hug I've ever received in that we were all physically positioned, but it seemed understandable that with so many people, a procedure needed to be in place. (I asked many about this and heard that this is because of the time involved in darshan - many apparently get spaced out seeing her and need to be physically moved away and when hugging thousands, every second counts). I did not feel an intimacy or personal connection or feeling of love and compassion. Something was repeated in monotone in my ear that I didn't understand. Shortly after receiving our hugs, however, we were all completely wired. I told the kids I felt like I had received an energy transfer or hit during the exchange. It didn't feel bad, but not good either, and we could sense that Amma seemed to be a powerful person energetically. Saturday morning we were up early for breakfast and to stand in line. One of my daughters and I were signed up to attend the IAM meditation courses - hers being the youth one - and so wanted to get our hugs in early. We were in line starting at 8 AM, listened to the Swami from 9 to 10, sat and waited for Amma to arrive at 10 AM, and then waited and moved up through the heavily orchestrated and controlled process. This time we went individually and brought our questions that we kept in our minds, as Amma could supposedly intuit and respond. Again, a manhandled hug routine (hands placed particularly, head pushed forward on chest, with a monotone repetition of a word in the right ear). I attended the IAM meditation course and enjoyed it, but was put off by the requirement to sign a confidentiality agreement. It was at this point I began to feel like I was being encouraged to pray to Amma - based on the Swami lectures, instruction and visualization received during the meditation. Amma was continually reinforced as the form to keep in our minds. We continued through the weekend - were full of so much energy Sunday evening that we worked out between 10-11 PM. We did our Seva at dinner by helping load dishes into the cart, which was fun. We participated in standing in line for hours and receiving hugs in the morning and evening, wanting to follow the scripted schedule and also waiting to feel this overwhelming love connection that so many talked about. We received blessed candy and got the dolls blessed. Monday I was up at 6:15 to do the yoga class. Monday evening was Dhevi Bhava - lots of ceremony and long, translated talk that was starting to feel very top down and condescending. Blessed water, chanting to music, change in Amma's costume to the crown and gown, and the hugs began with the loud bhajans (music) sung by a swami and group in the background. The music/chanting was very loud, repetitive, and mesmerizing; the Swami's voice was very hypnotic; the Swami lectures were
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Good points all - No I haven't seen any of them for ages. Thanks for challenging my stale impressions though, and having an interest in a possibly future robust Movement. I am intrigued by what you say about Bevan, who I always found incredibly long-winded and boring, despite his obvious devotion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: To change the policies of the TMO which you correctly describe is from Maharishi, another revolutionary must arise. Can Raja Ram do that ? Perhaps. As chief bureaucrat for the TMO possibly, but not as the public face of the TMO. Tony Ram seems like a really, really nice guy, but if Maharishi had a charisma level of 100, Tony's is in the single digits. Unfortunately true of the other TMO public figures as well. That may well be Jim. I think it is now important to give Raja Ram some time to consider the future of the TMO. Tony is nobodys fool and we have not yet seen his initiatives. And, hello: he knows very well he is not Maharishi ! Regarding your last comment, did you see Bevan speak live, in person lately ? Did you attend a lecture by David Lynch lately ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
Yes, I fully understand, at least the part about your getting M from me. but with this last post of yours *I discovered Maharishi was there*, inside of me, before me, objectified, solid, individuated as the actual person, human being he is and was. No, he came into focus *as a gift gratuitously and accidentally given to me by you*, by your personal nervous system. And perhaps direct transference was also involved. I sometimes feel people reading my posts. I had quite a night last night, especially through the time you were reading, writing and sending this post. We didn't share mental perceptions, but perhaps, partially or more, he was transferred directly from my nervous system to yours through the subtle planes. I know such things are possible from my experience with M and others. culminating in my experience of Unity in Arosa in September 1972 Ever since early 1987 when I realized I was in an mystical hallucination—and therefore had to break out of this illusion Are you saying that you lived UC for those 15 years? how I wish I could view the entire footage of that conversation. I'd kind of like that myself. I'll write to him and ask him if it's possible. I feel this tremendous sense of completeness, of resolution, of intelligencethis necessary spiritual consummation inside of me. I'm so very glad. On the upward spiral, this is, perhaps, the pinnacle of my purpose in coming to FFL. Would you be OK in getting into conversation about your current state of consciousness and why you've written reincarnation off? Also, this idea of enlightenment being an artifact of the Vedic gods is interesting to me. I've been through a lot of phases, Buddhist being one of them, and I had some spectacular experiences with beings in the Buddhist lokas, but decided to stop because it didn't seem like that was really my world anymore. Love, m On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:47 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Dear Mark, This will perhaps resist understanding, but for myself it is an experience which has disclosed its truthfulness quite independent of any effort on my part to make it true, or to wish it true. What I am going to tell you, Mark, is something that I have fought to know for so long now—I never knew if it would ever happen, and of course I didn't know what form it would take if it was ever delivered up to me. What am I talking about? Well, it's just this, Mark: Ever since I realized that my experience of being enlightened (Unity Consciousness) was an unnatural state of mind (i.e. although brought about mechanically and subjectively real—there are specific criteria to define it, to know whether one is enlightened or not—it nevertheless is not a state of consciousness caused by my Creator: therefore it is false to who I really am and false to reality), I have wanted to know how I could have been so deceived, and what inside of me predisposed me to be the object of this profound deception by the Vedic gods. Now I realize that for yourself and for most readers on FFL this judgment of enlightenment as being a metaphysically false state of experience—even though objectively true (that is to say, it is a real state of consciousness)—is a heterodox view of the Eastern wisdom. But I am not writing here in order to seek agreement with anyone. I participate on FFL strictly for my own metatherapeutic purposes: I consider some of the posters on FFL to be living books, and this is a kind of library where I can open these books and learn things where I could learn them nowhere else. And this has been my experience. These books (persons on FFL) have been opened and I have turned over the pages and have had my mind opened up. But in the final analysis, whether this makes sense to others or not, I am seeking one thing and one thing only: To understand the man, the person that was (and I believe still is) Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. It has become an obsession of mine to truly know who Maharishi was—beyond and separate from the context within which I knew him: my Master, my Guru, a perfect human being, the enlightened Teacher. I knew after I turned against my enlightenment and against Maharishi, and against TM, that I would never really be normal again until I understood just who this person was. Here is what I want to tell you, Mark. You have fulfilled this desire, for with this last post—as a response to my previous one—I came away suddenly aware that the form of the person Maharishi Mahesh Yogi—as he really exists in eternity, as he really exists in the eye of his Creator—was finally available to me. And this was solely because of how much of him you had taken in. Or what you had taken in that was salient to who Maharishi really was. Now I was bent upon making progress in this ambition after our first exchange, but with this last post of yours *I discovered Maharishi was there*, inside of me, before me,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote: He's talking about rank and file TM teachers talking to rank and file beginning meditators. Are you saying that the beginning mantras have that or similar meaning, in Sanskrit or any other language? They have a meaning in Sanskrit, they aren't meaningless sounds. And it doesn't make any difference whether or not you speak the language they have meaning in. They're either meaningless sounds, or they're not. And we've been through this about a dozen times already. I've never understood what's the big deal with an honest disclaimer. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
I'm under the impression that most people agree that most bija mantras are without meaning, in Sanskrit or whatever. You are the first person I've talked to in a long time who disagrees with this. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote: He's talking about rank and file TM teachers talking to rank and file beginning meditators. Are you saying that the beginning mantras have that or similar meaning, in Sanskrit or any other language? They have a meaning in Sanskrit, they aren't meaningless sounds. And it doesn't make any difference whether or not you speak the language they have meaning in. They're either meaningless sounds, or they're not. And we've been through this about a dozen times already. I've never understood what's the big deal with an honest disclaimer. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good by Amy, you will be missed
When I went into Manny's in NY to get my stratocaster in '69, Jimi was there stoned out of his gourd. When the guitar came up from the basement, he asked if he could play it. (Gawd, are you kidding?) So a few of us stood around while he did, with no amp. The dance of his fingers in the mid-range of the fret board seen up close like that was a revelation, like his fingers were Vedic gods.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good by Amy, you will be missed
I once sat 3-4 feet from Segovia during a concert. 'nuff said. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: When I went into Manny's in NY to get my stratocaster in '69, Jimi was there stoned out of his gourd. When the guitar came up from the basement, he asked if he could play it. (Gawd, are you kidding?) So a few of us stood around while he did, with no amp. The dance of his fingers in the mid-range of the fret board seen up close like that was a revelation, like his fingers were Vedic gods.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Sandals
A disclaimer, imo, would be poor teaching technique in this case. I have been in the training biz forever, and courses are always built around terminal objectives (what is the goal of the training?), with the knowledge subdivided into need to know and nice to know. The meanings of the mantras, or even that they have meanings, is clearly a nice to know, and wouldn't be emphasized, or even possibly mentioned in a well structured course to teach the technique of TM. Training strives to accomplish specific objectives, unlike a reference work, which includes as much as possible on a particular topic. Focusing on nice to know stuff in a course takes the audience off track, and is considered poor design. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote: He's talking about rank and file TM teachers talking to rank and file beginning meditators. Are you saying that the beginning mantras have that or similar meaning, in Sanskrit or any other language? They have a meaning in Sanskrit, they aren't meaningless sounds. And it doesn't make any difference whether or not you speak the language they have meaning in. They're either meaningless sounds, or they're not. And we've been through this about a dozen times already. I've never understood what's the big deal with an honest disclaimer. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Good by Amy, you will be missed
Jesus Mark, like your Maharishi stories were not enough, you dish out some Jimi played my Strat on my ass! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: When I went into Manny's in NY to get my stratocaster in '69, Jimi was there stoned out of his gourd. When the guitar came up from the basement, he asked if he could play it. (Gawd, are you kidding?) So a few of us stood around while he did, with no amp. The dance of his fingers in the mid-range of the fret board seen up close like that was a revelation, like his fingers were Vedic gods.
