[FairfieldLife] Re: A mini lesson in put options
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Listen up, class. Our source material can be found at the following link which will tell us what Google options are selling at (call options are listed first; put options later...so you must scroll down): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=GOOGm=2006-04 At the close of trading on Friday, Google was selling for exactly $390.00 a stock. A put option means you have the right to sell google stock at whatever the strike price is. Each option contract is for 100 stocks, I believe. An April '06 Google put option with a strike price of 310.00 sells for 1.05. So if you bought one contract it would cost you $105.00 plus commissions (Scottrade charges about $7.00 a contract...so, in total, your purchase of the put option contract would be about $112.00). The April '06 contract lasts until April 21st. Lets say Google goes down to $290.00 a stock by April 21st (after that date, if you haven't reached your strike price, your contract is worthless). That would be a profit of $20.00 a stock because you have the right to sell Google for $310.00 a stock until the expiration date...and you have the right to sell 100 of 'em. So 100 X $20.00 = a profit of $2,000.00 for your $112.00 investment. I believe if it seems rather likely that Google'll go remarkably down, the options shall be clearly more expensive. At least that would be the case with European put options. And the other way round with call options. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Later Chapters of Gita
When I was in Fairfield years ago there were copies of the entire translation and comment around in photocopy form. It was quite long, around 300 pages typed. I imagine there are still copies around. It's too bad no one has ever PDF'd if.On Apr 1, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Rick Archer wrote:From a friend:to be posted if U desire without my name, please. ... ... ... 7 or 8 yrs.ago now in May or June late 90's most likely 1999 or even the year 2000, without checking my notes in my calendar note book 4 that yr. I lunched a privately. with Vernon Katz in FF. @ a quiet restaurant in town. I asked re: the material he has. 1. the translations are fully completed. @ the commentary on each verse is fully completed as well. However he noted that from time to time both He M scholars refine the commentary's in small details for future publication. Vernon leaned over to me stated that the revised edition, just recently out by Paramahansa Yogananda was of very great excellence. Maharishi stated to him now that's excellently done. I need no longer refine it. it was now NOT needed to publicize this -- their works on The later chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. I took that to mean Maharishi attention would now longer need to focus on this matter as this had come out was available to seekers if they looked. I also understand but not from Vernon I do not now recall whom that our Purusha uses this 2 Volumes, work for there understanding of alter chapters etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Later Chapters of Gita
Excerpt from God Talks with Arjuna, THE BHAGAVAD GITA, by Paramahams a Yogananda, VII:1.. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0876120311/sr=1-2/qid=1143977568/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-6060852-2072635?%5Fencoding=UTF8s=books WHEN A YOGI MECHANICALLY PRACTICES yoga methods, without focusing his attention with devotion on the omnipresent God, his mind becomes concentrated on the path rather than on the goal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a friend: to be posted if U desire without my name, please. ... ... ... 7 or 8 yrs.ago now in May or June late 90's most likely 1999 or even the year 2000, without checking my notes in my calendar note book 4 that yr. I lunched a privately. with Vernon Katz in FF. @ a quiet restaurant in town. I asked re: the material he has. 1. the translations are fully completed. @ the commentary on each verse is fully completed as well. However he noted that from time to time both He M scholars refine the commentary's in small details for future publication. Vernon leaned over to me stated that the revised edition, just recently out by Paramahansa Yogananda was of very great excellence. Maharishi stated to him now that's excellently done. I need no longer refine it. it was now NOT needed to publicize this -- their works on The later chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. I took that to mean Maharishi attention would now longer need to focus on this matter as this had come out was available to seekers if they looked. I also understand but not from Vernon I do not now recall whom that our Purusha uses this 2 Volumes, work for there understanding of alter chapters etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Unfettered Mind series (free)
On Apr 1, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 4/1/06 1:06 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:http://www.unfetteredmind.org/resources/audio.phpI've been listening to these lectures on the way to work, which are lectures from dharma translator Ken McLeod during meditation retreats.Some enjoyable ones are:-- Awakening From Belief-- CAC 01: Chaos and Clarity--Guru, Deity, Protector...and others...All of these are entire retreats. You can subscibe to them as podcasts of just download them.Thanks. I started listening to them. How do you like them? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Later Chapters of Gita
I am still searching for someone's copy of Maharishi English translation of the Gita Ch 7-18 Please. [EMAIL PROTECTED]THANKS! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend snip,snip And if I heard it correctly, I believe the video said $28 million was made on the options. Hardly much of a sum for the cost and ramifications of creating 9/11. $28 million would be a snivel. +++ Still not too bad as a collateral benefit. ...not if everything everyone has been discussing has been accurate. The money that can be made on a successful put option is enormous...and I'm not talking $28 million. With the kind of volume that has been discussed here that it is alleged was traded then the profits would be at least $200 million. +++ I was just observing that the money, whatever amount, wasn't the reason behind the event- more of a side bet on a sure thing. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip haha, I just noticed -- within 4 days, a less than 50% increase in AMR puts volume was cited as resulting in almost a tripling in comparing daily averages (4x vs 11x). Thus, either they are using bad data, OR they are using a different interval of days to calculate daily averages for sept 6 and sept 10. Which is totally bogus. Or simply using THAT day's average. Thats crap as far as seeing if the figures are statistically abnormal. The daily average should be calculated over at least 30 trading days, better, over a year. The figures were sliced, diced and cherry picked. Whatever the problems with the figures in this specific article, suspicious trading prior to 9/11 was *very* widely reported in the major news media. The 9/11 commission even investigated it, concluding there were innocuous explanations, but without saying what they were. I believe the SEC investigated also, but did not release a report. I'm astonished that so many of you weren't aware that this was a major concern after the attacks. It isn't just something the conspiracy theorists dreamed up. Yes, I was well aware of it, as I've written. Oops. But you just accused me of suggesting it was special information. But big deal, Judy. Why did YOU make such a big deal of it in the context of what we were discussing? Like I said before, the terrorists would have been idiots if they didn't take advantage of the insider trader knowledge of the attacks and speculate accordingly. We don't know whether it was the terrorists themselves, or rather people who had inside information the attacks were going to take place. That's what's potentially the big deal. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By fall you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it does? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip [I wrote:] If so, you're aware that what the newspapers were reporting was that large numbers of financial agencies around the world were investigating the anomalous trades. I'm fairly confident that if it had all been mere speculation and irrelevant, they wouldn't have bothered. uh, hahah,are you serious? Show me results, not investigations. You just totally destroyed your last shreds of credibility with this comment. You have no interest in actually getting to the bottom of anything. All you're interested in is trying to make yourself look smarter than other people. But in this attempt, you demonstrate exactly the opposite. Funny the way that works. Very much the way Barry, in trying to make himself look more spiritual than other people, demonstrates exactly the opposite. Like him, you're a phony. Ad hominem attacks, Judy, which you often resort to when you come to a dead end in your debates. When you got us all excited about this issue I thought that at the end of the tunnel the big surprise you were going to tell us was that it was Bush and his gang that had bought the put options. I never suggested I knew who had bought them, Shemp. I said, rather, that this information could be the key to what happened on 9/11. But you seem to be excited about the fact that the terrorists bought the put options. That's not a fact, Shemp. That's your speculation. *Somebody* knew the attacks were going to take place. We don't know whether it was the terrorists themselves, however. But as you yourself have admitted, this was a big thing in the mainstream media not long after 9/11. I didn't admit it, I *asserted* it, as you know. The person I was responding to above, and several others--yourself included, earlier--have been trying to say there wasn't anything unusual about the stock market activity prior to 9/11. I knew about it Yeah, I don't think you did, Shemp. Or you had forgotten about it. That's why you wrote: Okay, Genius, here are the closing figures for the Dow Jones Industrial Average for each trading day in September 2001 before 9/11/2001. Please: show us the 'glaring evidence', as you put it, that something funny was going on. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors -- whose identities and nationalities have not been made public -- had advance knowledge of the strikes. So now we are down to a windfall of 2.5 million for creating 9/11? I don't get it. Who bought the puts? The high jackers? Did they think Allah would resurrect their physical bodies after the impact. They would have to be crazy or christian to beelieve that. Straw man. In what way? You continue to give yourself away. How is that? You just did again, above. And below (snipped). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip You now have more than enough information to track it down, if you were actually interested in getting to the bottom of it. But you aren't. Why should HE do it, you friggin' hypocrite. YOU'RE the one who made the claim so it is YOU who should do the friggin' research to back up what YOU said. The only claim I made was that there were big anomalies in the trading data before 9/11. You yourself have admitted that everybody knew this was the case. As to the specifics with regard to the actual trading, I don't have the expertise or the motivation to provide those. It's enough for me to point out that financial institutions all over the world were concerned enough about the anomalies to launch investigations. The poster I was responding to was suggesting there *were* no such anomalies (just as you were earlier), which is ludicrous on its face. He's the one who needs to prove *his* claims; I'm under no obligation to *disprove* them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip haha, I just noticed -- within 4 days, a less than 50% increase in AMR puts volume was cited as resulting in almost a tripling in comparing daily averages (4x vs 11x). Thus, either they are using bad data, OR they are using a different interval of days to calculate daily averages for sept 6 and sept 10. Which is totally bogus. Or simply using THAT day's average. Thats crap as far as seeing if the figures are statistically abnormal. The daily average should be calculated over at least 30 trading days, better, over a year. The figures were sliced, diced and cherry picked. Whatever the problems with the figures in this specific article, suspicious trading prior to 9/11 was *very* widely reported in the major news media. The 9/11 commission even investigated it, concluding there were innocuous explanations, but without saying what they were. I believe the SEC investigated also, but did not release a report. I'm astonished that so many of you weren't aware that this was a major concern after the attacks. It isn't just something the conspiracy theorists dreamed up. Yes, I was well aware of it, as I've written. But big deal, Judy. Why did YOU make such a big deal of it in the context of what we were discussing? Like I said before, the terrorists would have been idiots if they didn't take advantage of the insider trader knowledge of the attacks and speculate accordingly. Hey, do you guys have any idea how much you could have made on Google's approximately 100 point drop in its stock price earlier this year had you bought put options at the right time? A $5,000 investment could have turned into about $8 million in about a month. Now, THAT'S the power of put options! The real question you should be asking is: if it was the terrorists, why wasn't this made clear in subsequent investigations? The answer should be obvious: either no windfall profits (or whatever you call stock options trading) were actually made, or the terrorists were found NOT to be theones doing it. If the latter case, my guess would be that several government- related investments were made, probably by various Saudi royals, and it was too big a scandal to let that become public knowledge, even though the Saudis cleaned house within a few months with various royal cousins suddenly being lost in the desert and so on. haha yes,many angles to the insider knowldge thing. The premise I gather from judy's weak hypothesis is that Bush administration insiders profited from insider a la advanced knowleedge of 9/11. Thats a hardsell IMO. I never advanced such a hypothesis. *Somebody* profited from insider information about the attacks, however, and that's what needs to be determined: Who? First, A) one needs to show that ANYONE profited from advanced knowledge of 9/11. That isn't in question. Second, Judy needs to show that it was not (only) saudi royal/rich, al-qauda insiders, other middle eastern power/knowledge brokers that profited from A, but also specifically Bush admin insiders. A very hard sell. Um, why do I need to show that? My whole *point* was that it has never been determined who made the trades. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Can you provide any data, or any statistical analysis, or cites to such, to support your opinion that a) there were statistically anomolous (that is, sigma 4-5 events, using 90-360 day series) trades in airline, oil or gold stocks or options, in the week(s) prior to 9/11? It isn't my opinion that there were trading anomalies; it's a matter of public record. I provided cites to news reports on what they were. If you disagree with the newspaper reports, it's up to you to prove they were wrong (and that the financial institutions all over the world that were the source of the newspaper reports were wrong). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Later Chapters of Gita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was in Fairfield years ago there were copies of the entire translation and comment around in photocopy form. It was quite long, around 300 pages typed. I imagine there are still copies around. It's too bad no one has ever PDF'd if. There are also photocopies of a *typeset* version, complete with the Devanagari (?) script of the verses, about 150 pages' worth. I *think* that's what was handed out at the MUM WPA some years ago that Vernon Katz led. If it's the same thing I have, though, it doesn't include any commentary. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip [I wrote:] If so, you're aware that what the newspapers were reporting was that large numbers of financial agencies around the world were investigating the anomalous trades. I'm fairly confident that if it had all been mere speculation and irrelevant, they wouldn't have bothered. Many things that are investigated turn out to be insignificant. To say that an investigation legitimately creates confidence in wrongdoing is parallel to saying someone is automatically guilty because they are as suspect in an investigation -- prior to indictment, prior to trial. The person I was responding to above, and several others--yourself included, earlier--have been** trying to say there wasn't anything unusual about the stock market activity prior to 9/11. Quite untrue. Being a major respondent, I am quite open to the possibility that there was statistically significant anomolies in the stock or options markets prior to 9/11. I have said so repeatededly. What we have asked for is some actual data and analysis cites. All that has been provided are some articles citing some investigations and sucpicions, and several ambiguously defined small trades. And the video, from where this discussion started, clearly sliced and diced the data. Thus a call for the actual data and analysis to see upon what the claims of unusual are. My whole point has simple been, that what appears unusual to the naive may be quite normal, aka within the main body of a normal distribution. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip You now have more than enough information to track it down, if you were actually interested in getting to the bottom of it. But you aren't. Why should HE do it, you friggin' hypocrite. YOU'RE the one who made the claim so it is YOU who should do the friggin' research to back up what YOU said. The only claim I made was that there were big anomalies in the trading data before 9/11. You yourself have admitted that everybody knew this was the case. As to the specifics with regard to the actual trading, I don't have the expertise or the motivation to provide those. It's enough for me to point out that financial institutions all over the world were concerned enough about the anomalies to launch investigations. The poster I was responding to was suggesting there *were* no such anomalies (just as you were earlier), which is ludicrous on its face. You are clerarly not reading my posts judy, so its hard to intervene with your debate with some phantom posts. I never said there were no anomolies, I simply asked for data and analysis so could understand how anomolous and unsual were being defined. The press gets quite excited and report sensational stuff all the time, that upon analysis, is much ado about nothing. For example, a trade at 5x daily volume might be a statistically significant anomoly, or it might be quite normal. Just to cite 5x trade as the sole evidence of something anomolous, as done in the video, is just a cheap manipulative trick to fool the naive. Particularly when, for the same stock, different daily intervals were used to define daily average He's the one who needs to prove *his* claims; I'm under no obligation to *disprove* them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip [I wrote:] If so, you're aware that what the newspapers were reporting was that large numbers of financial agencies around the world were investigating the anomalous trades. I'm fairly confident that if it had all been mere speculation and irrelevant, they wouldn't have bothered. Many things that are investigated turn out to be insignificant. To say that an investigation legitimately creates confidence in wrongdoing is parallel to saying someone is automatically guilty because they are as suspect in an investigation -- prior to indictment, prior to trial. Except, of course, that I never said any such thing. Like Barry and Shemp, you seem unable to hold a discussion without putting words in other people's mouths. All I said was that there were anomalies significant enough for there to be investigations *to see if there had been* any wrongdoing, in response to your attempt to pooh-pooh the idea that there had been any such anomalies. The person I was responding to above, and several others--yourself included, earlier--have been** trying to say there wasn't anything unusual about the stock market activity prior to 9/11. Quite untrue. Well, no, as noted, you've been pooh-poohing the whole notion. Being a major respondent, I am quite open to the possibility that there was statistically significant anomolies in the stock or options markets prior to 9/11. I have said so repeatededly. What we have asked for is some actual data and analysis cites. All that has been provided are some articles citing some investigations and sucpicions, and several ambiguously defined small trades. And the video, from where this discussion started, clearly sliced and diced the data. I haven't seen the video, nor have I cited it as support for anything I've said. Thus a call for the actual data and analysis to see upon what the claims of unusual are. And as I've already pointed out, there's *enough* information in the news reports for you to research the anomalies. My whole point has simple been, that what appears unusual to the naive may be quite normal, aka within the main body of a normal distribution. Which is why I pointed out that *experts*--not the naive--considered the anomalies significant enough to warrant investigations. So what you have to show is that the experts were wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The poster I was responding to was suggesting there *were* no such anomalies (just as you were earlier), which is ludicrous on its face. You are clerarly not reading my posts judy, so its hard to intervene with your debate with some phantom posts. I never said there were no anomolies, I simply asked for data and analysis so could understand how anomolous and unsual were being defined. The press gets quite excited and report sensational stuff all the time, that upon analysis, is much ado about nothing. One more time: The press didn't make up the idea that there were anomalies. The press reported that financial institutions all over the world thought there were anomalies significant enough to investigate. So drop the straw man about the press, please. And stop pretending you haven't been expressing extreme skepticism that there were any such anomalies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: My Trip to India!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/1/06 7:28 AM, medwards520 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We did meditate in front of the cosmic beings, Who are the cosmic beings? Didn't you post photos some time ago with the 'golden balls'? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: The premise I gather from judy's weak hypothesis is that Bush administration insiders profited from insider a la advanced knowleedge of 9/11. Thats a hardsell IMO. I never advanced such a hypothesis. *Somebody* profited from insider information about the attacks, however, and that's what needs to be determined: Who? Ok, I stand clarified as to your views. The above view that Bush administration insiders profited from insider a la advanced knowleedge of 9/11 does appear to be the premise of the video. That still is a hardsell IMO. And the video, made little progress in scaling that peak. First, A) one needs to show that ANYONE profited from advanced knowledge of 9/11. That isn't in question. Second, Judy needs to show that it was not (only) saudi royal/rich, al-qauda insiders, other middle eastern power/knowledge brokers that profited from A, but also specifically Bush admin insiders. A very hard sell. Um, why do I need to show that? My whole *point* was that it has never been determined who made the trades. Ok, I stand further clarified as to your views. The above view that Bush administration insiders profited from insider a la advanced knowleedge of 9/11 does appear to be the premise of the video. That still is a hardsell IMO. And the video, made little progress in that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip So if everyone knows itw asthe terrorists who did it, why is there no public record that it WAS the terrorists? Idiot: the media IS the public record. Actually, the media dropped this line of enquiry apparently. Exactly. Shemp seems to have hallucinated some public revelation as to who made the trades. The 9/11 commission said it had investigated the anomalies and that there were innocuous explanations for all of them. But it did not say what those explanations were, and the media never asked. Then why do you repeatedly state that statistically significant anomolous trades are a matter of established fact? Where is it established? The commission, with all its power to call witness,and staffs / experts oncall to do analysis could not make a definitive case, who did? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff snip snip Quite untrue. Well, no, as noted, you've been pooh-poohing the whole notion. Being a major respondent, I am quite open to the possibility that there was statistically significant anomolies in the stock or options markets prior to 9/11. I have said so repeatededly. What we have asked for is some actual data and analysis cites. All that has been provided are some articles citing some investigations and sucpicions, and several ambiguously defined small trades. And the video, from where this discussion started, clearly sliced and diced the data. I haven't seen the video, nor have I cited it as support for anything I've said. Thus a call for the actual data and analysis to see upon what the claims of unusual are. And as I've already pointed out, there's *enough* information in the news reports for you to research the anomalies. My whole point has simple been, that what appears unusual to the naive may be quite normal, aka within the main body of a normal distribution. Which is why I pointed out that *experts*--not the naive--considered the anomalies significant enough to warrant investigations. So what you have to show is that the experts were wrong. +++The large volume of learned diccussion here seems to have eclipsed the more important why of the event. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip Can you provide any data, or any statistical analysis, or cites to such, to support your opinion that a) there were statistically anomolous (that is, sigma 4-5 events, using 90-360 day series) trades in airline, oil or gold stocks or options, in the week(s) prior to 9/11? It isn't my opinion that there were trading anomalies; it's a matter of public record. No. Its a public record that there were speculations about and investigations into such. Nothing conclusive was presented. No definitive anomoly was cited as being a statistically significant event. I provided cites to news reports on what they were. None of which provided: 1)any definition of a stock trading anomoly (For example, was it simply a 5x daily averge trade, or a trade 5 stndard deviations from a 3-12 month trading volume average.The latter is meaningful, the former is not), 2) what specific trades were in question -- specific securites or options, dates, times, volumes (I have access to the tick by tick trading data for most securities, I would like to view the trades in question in the context of the overall longer run trading volume of the security). If you disagree with the newspaper reports, it's up to you to prove they were wrong (and that the financial institutions all over the world that were the source of the newspaper reports were wrong). I don't think the articles you cited were wrong. They reported speculations about and investigations into possible anomolies. That is certainly true. There were speculations about and investigations into possible anomolies. What was not reported was any definitive anomoly being found as a statistically significant event. When you provide such articles, pointing to specific stocks or options, their volumes, days and time of traade, I will look at it in the context of the longer run trading volume and prices and state my opinion, with statistically based reasoning as to if and how rare an event such was. Until then, I am to the possibility that there was trading based on advanced knowledge of the attacks. But I remain unimpressed with such claims based solely on there were 5x trades or there was an investigation into such with no known conclusion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Later Chapters of Gita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was in Fairfield years ago there were copies of the entire translation and comment around in photocopy form. It was quite long, around 300 pages typed. I imagine there are still copies around. It's too bad no one has ever PDF'd if. Of course, we can't be sure that its all MMY's commentary. Vernon Katz (SP) did the translation with input from MMY, but my understanding is that the commentary of the first 6 chapters was always pure MMY sometimes over Vernon Katz' objections. On Apr 1, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From a friend: to be posted if U desire without my name, please. ... ... ... 7 or 8 yrs.ago now in May or June late 90's most likely 1999 or even the year 2000, without checking my notes in my calendar note book 4 that yr. I lunched a privately. with Vernon Katz in FF. @ a quiet restaurant in town. I asked re: the material he has. 1. the translations are fully completed. @ the commentary on each verse is fully completed as well. However he noted that from time to time both He M scholars refine the commentary's in small details for future publication. Vernon leaned over to me stated that the revised edition, just recently out by Paramahansa Yogananda was of very great excellence. Maharishi stated to him now that's excellently done. I need no longer refine it. it was now NOT needed to publicize this -- their works on The later chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. I took that to mean Maharishi attention would now longer need to focus on this matter as this had come out was available to seekers if they looked. I also understand but not from Vernon I do not now recall whom that our Purusha uses this 2 Volumes, work for there understanding of alter chapters etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of "if" this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades.By “fall” you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it doA rise in ocean levels. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Later Chapters of Gita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excerpt from God Talks with Arjuna, THE BHAGAVAD GITA, by Paramahams a Yogananda, VII:1.. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0876120311/sr=1- 2/qid=1143977568/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-6060852-2072635?% 5Fencoding=UTF8s=books WHEN A YOGI MECHANICALLY PRACTICES yoga methods, without focusing his attention with devotion on the omnipresent God, his mind becomes concentrated on the path rather than on the goal. Of course, TM might be said to transcend even that, so the comment doesn't apply. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Later Chapters of Gita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2006, at 7:39 AM, peterklutz wrote: Excerpt from God Talks with Arjuna, THE BHAGAVAD GITA, by Paramahams a Yogananda, VII:1.. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0876120311/sr=1- 2/qid=1143977568/ ref=pd_bbs_2/103-6060852-2072635?%5Fencoding=UTF8s=books WHEN A YOGI MECHANICALLY PRACTICES yoga methods, without focusing his attention with devotion on the omnipresent God, his mind becomes concentrated on the path rather than on the goal. Were you referring to TM Peter (which is often pointed out as being not only mechanical, but attached to the path, meditative aspect)? HOw is one attached to the path when one practices TM? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By ³fall² you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it does? What happens if a chunk of ice gets dropped into a glass of warm water? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip [I wrote:] If so, you're aware that what the newspapers were reporting was that large numbers of financial agencies around the world were investigating the anomalous trades. I'm fairly confident that if it had all been mere speculation and irrelevant, they wouldn't have bothered. Many things that are investigated turn out to be insignificant. To say that an investigation legitimately creates confidence in wrongdoing is parallel to saying someone is automatically guilty because they are as suspect in an investigation -- prior to indictment, prior to trial. Except, of course, that I never said any such thing. Like Barry and Shemp, you seem unable to hold a discussion without putting words in other people's mouths. I am not putting words in your mouth. You said: If so, you're aware that what the newspapers were reporting was that large numbers of financial agencies around the world were investigating the anomalous trades. I'm fairly CONFIDENT that if it had all been mere speculation and irrelevant, they wouldn't have bothered. [caps added] To me that implies a view that if there is smoke, you are CONFIDENT there is a fire. If thats not what you meant, ok. Clarify it. But its what was impled to me. in response to your attempt to pooh-pooh the idea that there had been any such anomalies. First, how many times are you going to misunderstand my position. Its not that difficult Judy. I will repeat it more slowly if that helps. I am not pooh-pooh the idea that there had been any such anomalies. Indeed I am interested to see such. I am quite open to the possibility that itoccured. Just show me what trades, what days and time. etc. Or cites pointing to specific statistical analysis. Its really not that hard of a position to understand. The person I was responding to above, and several others--yourself included, earlier--have been** trying to say there wasn't anything unusual about the stock market activity prior to 9/11. Quite untrue. Well, no, as noted, you've been pooh-poohing the whole notion. All i can guess is that you have a mental block and cannot read whats written. How many times are you going to misunderstand my position? Its not that difficult Judy. I will repeat it more slowly if that helps. I am not pooh-pooh the idea that there had been any such anomalies. Indeed I am interested to see such. I am quite open to the possibility that itoccured. Just show me what trades, what days and time. etc. Or cites pointing to specific statistical analysis. Its really not that hard of a position to understand. Being a major respondent, I am quite open to the possibility that there was statistically significant anomolies in the stock or options markets prior to 9/11. I have said so repeatededly. What we have asked for is some actual data and analysis cites. All that has been provided are some articles citing some investigations and sucpicions, and several ambiguously defined small trades. And the video, from where this discussion started, clearly sliced and diced the data. Thus a call for the actual data and analysis to see upon what the claims of unusual are. And as I've already pointed out, there's *enough* information in the news reports for you to research the anomalies. OK. maybe inyour world it appears to be. But Ideal in such data every day and I state definatively that you actually need to identify the specific stock or options, their date and time of the trades, and the volumes for me to be able to find them in the raw tick data and look at them in the context of the longer range trading patterns of that securtity. Tell me, in your world, how would you conduct statistical analysis on a security without knowing what it is, when the trades in quesion occurred? My whole point has simple been, that what appears unusual to the naive may be quite normal, aka within the main body of a normal distribution. Which is why I pointed out that *experts*--not the naive--considered the anomalies significant enough to warrant investigations. Yes. Agreed. There was enough preliminary findings to warrant further investigation. And what did the investigations find? That is what I am asking. No results of any investigation has been cited, except the 9/11 commission which said nothing conclusive could be found. (Not to say that means no statisticaly
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By fall you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it do A rise in ocean levels. Possibly more significant: a fall in local salinity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip The poster I was responding to was suggesting there *were* no such anomalies (just as you were earlier), which is ludicrous on its face. You are clerarly not reading my posts judy, so its hard to intervene with your debate with some phantom posts. I never said there were no anomolies, I simply asked for data and analysis so could understand how anomolous and unsual were being defined. The press gets quite excited and report sensational stuff all the time, that upon analysis, is much ado about nothing. One more time: The press didn't make up the idea that there were anomalies. The press reported that financial institutions all over the world thought there were anomalies significant enough to investigate. Yes. There was speculation based on initial viewing of the data, towarrantan investigation. And what were the results of the investigations? I have seen nothing other than the 9/11 Commission. Have you? If so, please cite. I assume nothing was reported on the conclusions of the investigations was because no conclusive statistically significant anomolies were found. The 9/11 Commission said nothing conclusive was found. So what investigation produced a conclusion that conclusive statistically significant anomolies occurred? So drop the straw man about the press, please. I have no idea what you mean by that. You keep referring to evidence to conclusive statistically significant anomolies cited in the press. I keep asking, Where? And stop pretending How can you possibly say I am pretending. That you may have an unsubstntiated opinion of such is fine. But that hardly makes it so. I work with stock price and volume data every day. I am interested in seeing any anomolies. What more can I say. you haven't been expressing extreme skepticism that there were any such anomalies. Where is the extreme skepticism? Cite any quotes to support this bizzare contention. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at vajranatha@ wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By fall you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it do A rise in ocean levels. Possibly more significant: a fall in local salinity. ++ The salinity and temperature changes are slowing the deep ocean currents which, when stopped, will produce various disasters around the globe due to lack of temperature moderation. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'It's Time To Tell Iran'
It's time to tell Iran; That they will be wiped off, The face of the earth, If the mess with the U.S. or Isreal. New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++The large volume of learned diccussion here seems to have eclipsed the more important why of the event. N. If that's a way of suggesting that the pile of argumentative, self-serving, egobabble dished up here on this subject today is approaching the original height of the World Trade Center, I agree with you. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'It's Time To Tell Iran'
In a message dated 4/2/06 12:29:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's time to tell Iran; That they will be wiped off, The face of the earth, If the mess with the U.S. or Isreal. You know, we could have left Saddam in power and he could have kept Iran in check by insisting he be allowed to develop nukes in self defense of his sworn enemy, then both could have nukes! Wow , what a thought! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip So if everyone knows itw asthe terrorists who did it, why is there no public record that it WAS the terrorists? Idiot: the media IS the public record. Actually, the media dropped this line of enquiry apparently. Exactly. Shemp seems to have hallucinated some public revelation as to who made the trades. The 9/11 commission said it had investigated the anomalies and that there were innocuous explanations for all of them. But it did not say what those explanations were, and the media never asked. Then why do you repeatedly state that statistically significant anomolous trades are a matter of established fact? Um, because they are. What do you believe is the contradiction in what I wrote above? (Hint: Providing an explanation for an anomaly does not somehow make it no longer anomalous.) Where is it established? The commission, with all its power to call witness,and staffs / experts oncall to do analysis could not make a definitive case, who did? Make a definitive case for what? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip Can you provide any data, or any statistical analysis, or cites to such, to support your opinion that a) there were statistically anomolous (that is, sigma 4-5 events, using 90-360 day series) trades in airline, oil or gold stocks or options, in the week (s) prior to 9/11? It isn't my opinion that there were trading anomalies; it's a matter of public record. No. Its a public record that there were speculations about and investigations into such. Investigations by financial institutions all over the world. snip When you provide such articles, pointing to specific stocks or options, their volumes, days and time of traade, You're just making yourself more and more ridiculous. snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's Time To Tell Iran'
The Bush administration plan that makes most sense to me today, in retrospect, is that the U.S. military-industrial complex before 9/11 decided that U.S. dependence on foriegn oil (as well as attitudes found in certain middle east countries) was unacceptable and set out to change this. Looking at Iraq today there is a strong case for that the short- or medium term plan never was to bring democracy to Iraq (or other Persian Gulf countries) - but to throw the region into general war (civil and otherwise) and let the mad mullahs there kill off each other, followed by the U.S. moving in and occupying these countries and their oil fields. Germans who remember the Cold War as adults should recognize the rationale, which, incidentally, worked. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/2/06 12:29:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's time to tell Iran; That they will be wiped off, The face of the earth, If the mess with the U.S. or Isreal. You know, we could have left Saddam in power and he could have kept Iran in check by insisting he be allowed to develop nukes in self defense of his sworn enemy, then both could have nukes! Wow , what a thought! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip Many things that are investigated turn out to be insignificant. To say that an investigation legitimately creates confidence in wrongdoing is parallel to saying someone is automatically guilty because they are as suspect in an investigation -- prior to indictment, prior to trial. Except, of course, that I never said any such thing. Like Barry and Shemp, you seem unable to hold a discussion without putting words in other people's mouths. I am not putting words in your mouth. You said: If so, you're aware that what the newspapers were reporting was that large numbers of financial agencies around the world were investigating the anomalous trades. I'm fairly CONFIDENT that if it had all been mere speculation and irrelevant, they wouldn't have bothered. [caps added] To me that implies a view that if there is smoke, you are CONFIDENT there is a fire. If thats not what you meant, ok. Clarify it. But its what was impled to me. Now find where I said I was confident of wrongdoing (the words you put in my mouth). snip Thus a call for the actual data and analysis to see upon what the claims of unusual are. And as I've already pointed out, there's *enough* information in the news reports for you to research the anomalies. OK. maybe inyour world it appears to be. But Ideal in such data every day and I state definatively that you actually need to identify the specific stock or options, their date and time of the trades, and the volumes for me to be able to find them in the raw tick data and look at them in the context of the longer range trading patterns of that securtity. And if *you* can't find them from the information in the articles, you expect *me* to be able to? snip My whole point has simple been, that what appears unusual to the naive may be quite normal, aka within the main body of a normal distribution. Which is why I pointed out that *experts*--not the naive--considered the anomalies significant enough to warrant investigations. Yes. Agreed. There was enough preliminary findings to warrant further investigation. And what did the investigations find? That is what I am asking. No results of any investigation has been cited, except the 9/11 commission which said nothing conclusive could be found. No results have been made public that I'm aware of. The 9/11 commission did not, of course, say nothing conclusive could be found. You made that up. What they said (for the, oh, fourth or fifth time now) was that there were innocuous explanations for the anomalies. But they didn't say what those explanations were, so we have no way of knowing whether there were, in fact, explanations, and if so, whether they were, in fact, innocuous. What we *do* know is that the 9/11 commission considered the anomalies significant enough to *require* explanation. They claim to have found explanations that satisfy them. But they seem to think we should be willing to take that on faith. snip You appear to be saying that some experts started an investigation, no results have been reported, and you wnat me to tell you where the experts are wrong. If thats what you are asking, as it appears, I hope you can see how none-sensical it is. No, that is not, as you well know, what I'm asking. I'm not asking anything. I'm pointing out that it's nonsensical for you to ask *me* to prove the experts were right in thinking there were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] New Book- by Cynthia Lennon
Cynthia Lennon shares John's story from her side FLINT JOURNAL REVIEW FLINT THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITIONSunday, April 02, 2006 By Rose Mary Reiz[EMAIL PROTECTED] 810.766.6353 QUICK TAKEJOHN Cynthia lennon Crown, $25.95, 32 Review by Rose Mary Reiz Like the woman who helps put her young husband through college only to be abandoned once he's become a success, Cynthia Lennon was there for husband John when he was a struggling musician trying to get his 1950s Liverpool band, the Quarrymen, noticed. Then John and three friends formed a little group called the Beatles. For the next 10 years - from "Love Me Do" to LSD, from Ed Sullivan to the Maharishi - Cynthia Lennon was there. And then she was gone, consigned, in her own words, "to a brief walk-on part in John's life." "John," a memoir about her years with the legendary Lennon, is Cynthia's attempt at setting the record straight. "Only I know," she writes in the introduction, "what really happened between us, why we stayed together, why we parted, and the price I paid for having been John's wife." The price was steep. Lennon was creative, complex and sometimes cruel, a brilliant, generous but needy man who preached world peace while often failing at the domestic variety. Cynthia became besotted with Lennon when both attended the same Liverpool art school in the 1950s. John was witty, aggressive and rebellious; Cynthia was timid and eager to please. He, damaged by the early loss of his parents, alternately adored and abused those he loved. She, like the good co-dependent she was, withstood his tantrums, determined to love him out of his bad behavior. Cynthia's story is not new, but her vantage point is fascinating. In straight-forward, unaffected prose, she shows readers what it was like to be, first, John Lennon's secret girlfriend (Beatles manager Brian Epstein wanted Cynthia hidden, out of fear fans wouldn't like one of the Fab Four being "taken"), and later, his wife and the mother of their son, Julian. Many of her early memories are sweet recountings of John's bewilderment at Beatlemania. In one scene, she describes the end of the flight as the Beatles arrive for the first time in America. "'We can always turn around and go home again if no one likes us,' John joked, but any ideas about going home again were rapidly forgotten when we looked out the windows of the plane as it taxied to a halt. 'Oh my God, look at that!' John spoke for us all, as our jaws dropped at the side of over ten thousand teenagers singing, 'We love you, Beatles, oh yes, we do.'" The world loved the Beatles, and Cynthia loved John. And still does. She writes with compassion about his troubled upbringing, and his confusion in dealing with a level of fame that made normal life all but impossible. Cynthia still admires John's humor, talent and generosity toward fans, speculating the latter may have contributed to his 1980 assassination by a crazed admirer he had spoken with earlier in the day. She defends her him against some of his critics, but doesn't shy from describing the humiliating pain of watching him pursue drugs as a strange artist named Yoko Ono pursued him. Most heartbreaking was John's neglect of son Julian, a confused little boy who mostly had to learn about his father's whereabouts from newspaper clippings. At one point, Cynthia describes 6-year-old Julian's confusion while watching a television broadcast of his father and Yoko lying in bed during their famous "bed-in" for peace. "'What's Dad doing in bed on the telly?' he asked. 'Telling everyone it's very important to have peace,' I answered through gritted teeth.'" Cynthia Lennon is to be commended for "John." It is a satisfying read that avoids the pitfalls of most tell-alls and tributes. Some have criticized the book for being as much about Cynthia as it is about John. True enough - and even more interesting as a result. *** Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip One more time: The press didn't make up the idea that there were anomalies. The press reported that financial institutions all over the world thought there were anomalies significant enough to investigate. Yes. There was speculation based on initial viewing of the data, towarrantan investigation. And what were the results of the investigations? I have seen nothing other than the 9/11 Commission. Have you? If so, please cite. I assume nothing was reported on the conclusions of the investigations was because no conclusive statistically significant anomolies were found. The investigations were *of* the statistically significant anomalies. The anomalies were a given. That's why there were investigations. No *explanations* for the anomalies, to my knowledge, have been reported. The 9/11 Commission said nothing conclusive was found. No, you made that up. The 9/11 commission (sixth time now) said there were innocuous explanations for the anomalies. So what investigation produced a conclusion that conclusive statistically significant anomolies occurred? The investigations were based on the *fact* that there were statistically significant anomalies. That's what they were investigating, you see, the statistically significant anomalies. If there were no statistically significant anomalies, there'd have been nothing to investigate. duh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip Can you provide any data, or any statistical analysis, or cites to such, to support your opinion that a) there were statistically anomolous (that is, sigma 4-5 events, using 90-360 day series) trades in airline, oil or gold stocks or options, in the week (s) prior to 9/11? It isn't my opinion that there were trading anomalies; it's a matter of public record. No. Its a public record that there were speculations about and investigations into such. Investigations by financial institutions all over the world. snip When you provide such articles, pointing to specific stocks or options, their volumes, days and time of traade, You're just making yourself more and more ridiculous. The trading anomolies were in the options trading of the 2 airlines involved in 9/11 hijackings. The data is easily available - I do options trading for a living. I compared the options trading in the relevant airlines the prior week to 9/11 to the prior year and it was clearly statistically significant, no doubt about it, and it was all predicting a downward movement, ie, purchase of put options. The government panel investigating 9/11 look at this issue and came up with some reasons for the unusual trading - it being unusual wasn't questioned. They didn't give enough info on the source documents for me to find them and do my own analysis, but their reasons seemed weak, for example they referred to an options newsletter that went bearish on airlines that week, which would be relevant if all airlines saw bearish trading, but only the 2 involved in 9/11 showed bearish trading. There were some other weakass explanations as well. Though data on options trading is publicly available, info on the accts involved in the trading is not and I'm not sure what they know about the accts and account holders involved in the unusually high volume trading. That to me is the key. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The trading anomolies were in the options trading of the 2 airlines involved in 9/11 hijackings. The data is easily available - I do options trading for a living. I compared the options trading in the relevant airlines the prior week to 9/11 to the prior year and it was clearly statistically significant, no doubt about it, and it was all predicting a downward movement, ie, purchase of put options. The government panel investigating 9/11 look at this issue and came up with some reasons for the unusual trading - it being unusual wasn't questioned. They didn't give enough info on the source documents for me to find them and do my own analysis, but their reasons seemed weak Where did you find the reasons they gave? I was under the impression they'd just said there were explanations and left it at that. for example they referred to an options newsletter that went bearish on airlines that week, which would be relevant if all airlines saw bearish trading, but only the 2 involved in 9/11 showed bearish trading. There were some other weakass explanations as well. Though data on options trading is publicly available, info on the accts involved in the trading is not and I'm not sure what they know about the accts and account holders involved in the unusually high volume trading. That to me is the key. Yes, of course it is. All the rest of the nonsense being argued here is just an attempt to distract attention from the real issue: Who was doing that trading? That's why I brought it up in the first place. What would the status be of the records that would show who was doing the trading? Who would have them, and what would be required to pry that information loose? It's potentially evidence of a crime, i.e., knowing the attacks were going to take place but not reporting that fact to the authorities. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The trading anomolies were in the options trading of the 2 airlines involved in 9/11 hijackings. The data is easily available - I do options trading for a living. I compared the options trading in the relevant airlines the prior week to 9/11 to the prior year and it was clearly statistically significant, no doubt about it, and it was all predicting a downward movement, ie, purchase of put options. AMR and United? What about Boeing? Do you recall which specific put contracts did you look at? Do you recall which days and times of the trades? The government panel investigating 9/11 look at this issue and came up with some reasons for the unusual trading - it being unusual wasn't questioned. They didn't give enough info on the source documents for me to find them and do my own analysis, Did they cite which put contracts? on which days? Did they look at just AMR and United? or gold, oil etc as some articles cited as having possible anomolies? but their reasons seemed weak, for example they referred to an options newsletter that went bearish on airlines that week, which would be relevant if all airlines saw bearish trading, but only the 2 involved in 9/11 showed bearish trading. There were some other weakass explanations as well. Picking the two major US carriers doesn't seem highly unreasonable for someone following the predictions of the newsletter. Proxies for the industry. Though data on options trading is publicly available, info on the accts involved in the trading is not and I'm not sure what they know about the accts and account holders involved in the unusually high volume trading. That to me is the key. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's Time To Tell Iran'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time to tell Iran; That they will be wiped off, The face of the earth, If the mess with the U.S. or Isreal. Really? They Iranian government have pissed on the U.S. in every conceivable way for almost thirty years now. The only thing the U.S. has done is to turn the other cheek. I don't question that American tolerance has a limit - I just don't think the Iranian clergy has realized it's there. The equation may also be complicated by factors such as Iranian Clergy confidence being boosted by claimed ownership of former Soviet black market nukes which they use to rattle the White House with. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pointing out that it's nonsensical for you to ask *me* to prove the experts were right in thinking there were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation. If all you are saying inall of this is the experts thoughtthere were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation fine, no disagreemnt. I have said nothing to contradict this obvious point. My repeated point, quite different from the above, is that no investigation, article or person to my knowledge has shown any analysis that the trading deviated from the long-run norm in statistical significant way. We have such a huge semantic gap here, further discussion seems unproductive. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip One more time: The press didn't make up the idea that there were anomalies. The press reported that financial institutions all over the world thought there were anomalies significant enough to investigate. Yes. There was speculation based on initial viewing of the data, towarrantan investigation. And what were the results of the investigations? I have seen nothing other than the 9/11 Commission. Have you? If so, please cite. I assume nothing was reported on the conclusions of the investigations was because no conclusive statistically significant anomolies were found. The investigations were *of* the statistically significant anomalies. The anomalies were a given. That's why there were investigations. No *explanations* for the anomalies, to my knowledge, have been reported. The 9/11 Commission said nothing conclusive was found. No, you made that up. The 9/11 commission (sixth time now) said there were innocuous explanations for the anomalies. I am missing your point. True, I interpret innocuous explanations as non-conclusive in finding any trading that could not be explained as normal business. Innocuous producing no injury : HARMLESS 2 : not likely to give offense or to arouse strong feelings or hostility : INOFFENSIVE So what investigation produced a conclusion that conclusive statistically significant anomolies occurred? The investigations were based on the *fact* that there were statistically significant anomalies. That's what they were investigating, you see, the statistically significant anomalies. If there were no statistically significant anomalies, there'd have been nothing to investigate. You apparently have no idea what statistical significance refers to. There are such huge semantic gaps here, further discussion I can only assume will be unproductive. duh To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm pointing out that it's nonsensical for you to ask *me* to prove the experts were right in thinking there were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation. If all you are saying inall of this is the experts thoughtthere were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation fine, no disagreemnt. I have said nothing to contradict this obvious point. That's all I've ever said. Why have you been arguing with me if you agree? My repeated point, quite different from the above, is that no investigation, article or person to my knowledge has shown any analysis that the trading deviated from the long-run norm in statistical significant way. Mark Meredith just said the data was easily available-- which is what I was saying as well, and you were denying-- and was clearly statistically significant. We have such a huge semantic gap here, further discussion seems unproductive. Interesting how you always seem to manage to create these huge semantic gaps that make further discussion unproductive when you've been shown to be embarrassingly wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Interesting verses from the later chapters: VII 3
BG VII 3 manuSyaaNaaM sahasreSu kashcid yatati siddhaye yatataam api siddhaanaaM kashcin maaM vetti tattvataH (Without sandhi manuSyaanaam; sahasreSu; kashcit; yatati; siddhaye; yatataam; api; siddhaanaam; kashcit; maam; vetti; tattvataH) manuSyaaNaam -- of persons sahasreSu -- out of thousands kashcit -- scarcely one (lit: ~someone) yatati -- strives siddhaye -- for perfection [of Self-realization] yatataam -- of the striving api -- or even siddhaanaam -- of the perfected [persons] maam -- Me vetti -- understands (knows?) tattvataH -- truly Translation by Ramanand Prasad(?) Scarcely one out of thousands of persons strives for perfection of Self-realization. Scarcely any one of the striving, or even the perfected persons, truly understands Me. (7.03) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's Time To Tell Iran'
In a message dated 4/2/06 1:46:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't question that American tolerance has a limit - I just don'tthink the Iranian clergy has realized it's there. The equation may also be complicated by factors such as Iranian Clergyconfidence being boosted by claimed ownership of former Soviet blackmarket nukes which they use to rattle the White House with. Telegraph | News | Government in secret talks about strike against Iran To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm pointing out that it's nonsensical for you to ask *me* to prove the experts were right in thinking there were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation. If all you are saying inall of this is the experts thoughtthere were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation fine, no disagreemnt. I have said nothing to contradict this obvious point. That's all I've ever said. Why have you been arguing with me if you agree? Because you have said the stock volumes have factually been shown to be statistically significant anomolies of normal long run trading patterns, yet you failed to cite any study or investigation that concludes that. I have simply and repeated asked, what studies, what data, what analysis. Where have you been? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip Can you provide any data, or any statistical analysis, or cites to such, to support your opinion that a) there were statistically anomolous (that is, sigma 4-5 events, using 90-360 day series) trades in airline, oil or gold stocks or options, in the week (s) prior to 9/11? It isn't my opinion that there were trading anomalies; it's a matter of public record. I provided cites to news reports on what they were. But just because someone who writes a newspaper story says something and comes to a certain conclusion, Judy, doesn't make it so. And those of us -- including you -- who have been around the TMO and MMY know how the media can and does misinterpret and misstate things and come to wrong and different conclusions based on their misperceptions. So you citing a newspaper report -- after you've made a statement in your own words declaring it as fact -- is not enough. Either YOU back up what you state yourself or back away from it and retract it. You've done neither when anon called you on it. If you disagree with the newspaper reports, No, he's disagreeing with YOU. YOU'RE the one making a claim. Directing someone to a newspaper article is NOT an acceptable way of backing yourself up. Don't believe everything you read in the paper or see on TV. Think for yourself. it's up to you to prove they were wrong (and that the financial institutions all over the world that were the source of the newspaper reports were wrong). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors -- whose identities and nationalities have not been made public -- had advance knowledge of the strikes. So now we are down to a windfall of 2.5 million for creating 9/11? I don't get it. Who bought the puts? The high jackers? Did they think Allah would resurrect their physical bodies after the impact. They would have to be crazy or christian to beelieve that. Straw man. In what way? You continue to give yourself away. How is that? You just did again, above. And below (snipped). My, what a strong and conclusive argument. Its hard to argue with the profundity of IT JUST IS! Unless Judy reads it in the New York Times it is not reality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip [I wrote:] If so, you're aware that what the newspapers were reporting was that large numbers of financial agencies around the world were investigating the anomalous trades. I'm fairly confident that if it had all been mere speculation and irrelevant, they wouldn't have bothered. Many things that are investigated turn out to be insignificant. To say that an investigation legitimately creates confidence in wrongdoing is parallel to saying someone is automatically guilty because they are as suspect in an investigation -- prior to indictment, prior to trial. The person I was responding to above, and several others--yourself included, earlier--have been** trying to say there wasn't anything unusual about the stock market activity prior to 9/11. Quite untrue. Being a major respondent, I am quite open to the possibility that there was statistically significant anomolies in the stock or options markets prior to 9/11. I have said so repeatededly. What we have asked for is some actual data and analysis cites. All that has been provided are some articles citing some investigations and sucpicions, and several ambiguously defined small trades. And the video, from where this discussion started, clearly sliced and diced the data. Thus a call for the actual data and analysis to see upon what the claims of unusual are. My whole point has simple been, that what appears unusual to the naive may be quite normal, aka within the main body of a normal distribution. It's like the Belief in the Law of Big Numbers. For example, cancer clusters happen naturally amongst the human population. But because we can't understand why 20 kids in a town of, say, 2,000 people have a cancer that in the total population would only occur 1 out of every 5,000 people we automatically think there is some external environmental hazard that is causing. When in reality clusters, mathematically, happen naturally. It's like in Las Vegas where millions upon millions of throws of the dice happen every year in craps. Well, statistically, you're going to get some Schlub who will roll a Seven 10 times in a row and think some sort of miracle has happened because the odds are probably about a million to one of that happening. Well, this cluster will occur naturally when you have a sample of 10s of millions of throws of dice every year. A large trading of options may or may not be an indication of insider trading and has to be investigated further. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Unfettered Mind series (free)
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Unfettered Mind series (free) on 4/2/06 6:47 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of these are entire retreats. You can subscibe to them as podcasts of just download them. Thanks. I started listening to them. How do you like them? Enjoyable. The volume was a bit low where I was working, but Ill listen more at home with better speakers or headphones. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Global Warming Scam on 4/2/06 10:44 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 4/2/06 5:46 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several disturbing things he shared was, one, the Ross ice shelf. They also knew by that time the ross ice shelf--a huge area of ice--had fallen (towards the sea) in the past and that it wasn't a matter of if this ice shelf would fall again, but simply a matter of when. It could really happen at any time now, but almost certainly with the next couple of decades. By fall you mean slide into the ocean? What will happen if it do A rise in ocean levels. How much? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: The premise I gather from judy's weak hypothesis is that Bush administration insiders profited from insider a la advanced knowleedge of 9/11. Thats a hardsell IMO. I never advanced such a hypothesis. *Somebody* profited from insider information about the attacks, however, and that's what needs to be determined: Who? Ok, I stand clarified as to your views. The above view that Bush administration insiders profited from insider a la advanced knowleedge of 9/11 does appear to be the premise of the video. !! And that is what I thought that Judy was going with this. But then, all of a sudden, she backs off and bravely declares that it really was the terrorists who profited. Well, wow, Judy, what a revelation. That still is a hardsell IMO. And the video, made little progress in scaling that peak. First, A) one needs to show that ANYONE profited from advanced knowledge of 9/11. That isn't in question. Second, Judy needs to show that it was not (only) saudi royal/rich, al-qauda insiders, other middle eastern power/knowledge brokers that profited from A, but also specifically Bush admin insiders. A very hard sell. Um, why do I need to show that? My whole *point* was that it has never been determined who made the trades. Ok, I stand further clarified as to your views. The above view that Bush administration insiders profited from insider a la advanced knowleedge of 9/11 does appear to be the premise of the video. That still is a hardsell IMO. And the video, made little progress in that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Later Chapters of Gita
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: When I was in Fairfield years ago there were copies of the entire translation and comment around in photocopy form. It was quite long, around 300 pages typed. I imagine there are still copies around. It's too bad no one has ever PDF'd if. Of course, we can't be sure that its all MMY's commentary. Vernon Katz (SP) did the translation with input from MMY, but my understanding is that the commentary of the first 6 chapters was always pure MMY sometimes over Vernon Katz' objections. Maybe the dingo ate some of the commentary. On Apr 1, 2006, at 11:01 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From a friend: to be posted if U desire without my name, please. ... ... ... 7 or 8 yrs.ago now in May or June late 90's most likely 1999 or even the year 2000, without checking my notes in my calendar note book 4 that yr. I lunched a privately. with Vernon Katz in FF. @ a quiet restaurant in town. I asked re: the material he has. 1. the translations are fully completed. @ the commentary on each verse is fully completed as well. However he noted that from time to time both He M scholars refine the commentary's in small details for future publication. Vernon leaned over to me stated that the revised edition, just recently out by Paramahansa Yogananda was of very great excellence. Maharishi stated to him now that's excellently done. I need no longer refine it. it was now NOT needed to publicize this -- their works on The later chapters of the Bhagavad Gita. I took that to mean Maharishi attention would now longer need to focus on this matter as this had come out was available to seekers if they looked. I also understand but not from Vernon I do not now recall whom that our Purusha uses this 2 Volumes, work for there understanding of alter chapters etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip So if everyone knows itw asthe terrorists who did it, why is there no public record that it WAS the terrorists? Idiot: the media IS the public record. Actually, the media dropped this line of enquiry apparently. Exactly. Shemp seems to have hallucinated some public revelation as to who made the trades. The 9/11 commission said it had investigated the anomalies and that there were innocuous explanations for all of them. But it did not say what those explanations were, and the media never asked. Then why do you repeatedly state that statistically significant anomolous trades are a matter of established fact? Um, because they are. What do you believe is the contradiction in what I wrote above? (Hint: Providing an explanation for an anomaly does not somehow make it no longer anomalous.) IF the explanation is correct, it sure does. Where is it established? The commission, with all its power to call witness,and staffs / experts oncall to do analysis could not make a definitive case, who did? Make a definitive case for what? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Fairfield story about options
Since we've been having a debate as of late (okay it's not so much a debate as it is Judy blowing hot air about a subject she knows nothing about!) I thought all would be amused about a well-sourced story I heard about a very well known Ru business that occurred within the last 10 or 15 years. Rick Archer may well know this story and can provide better details of it. The names have been changed only because I forget them. Fred somebody and that other guy both started those successful long- distance telephone businesses a while back. At least one of them had several hundred employees as I understand it. They were quite the going concerns with millions of dollars of capitalization. In one or both of the companies stock options were offered as a form of remuneration to employees. Many employees took advantage of the options. Well, the stock rose quite significantly for the company in question and, of course, all the employees were totally delighted with their wonderful paper profits. One employee felt that a higher-up was sexually harassing her and complained to management. The higher-up was, as a result, found to be culpable of the act and was summarily fired. But upon being fired, the employee had to cash in the stock options he had. He made several hundred thousand dollars in profit because he was forced to sell them. Anyway, the company soon took a tumble in its fortunes, the stock took a nosedive and became worthless. Practically none of the hundreds of other employees that had stock options were able to cash them out and they were worthless. So, ironically, it was only the sexual harasser that was able to make anything off the stock options! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: snip The trading anomolies were in the options trading of the 2 airlines involved in 9/11 hijackings. The data is easily available - I do options trading for a living. I compared the options trading in the relevant airlines the prior week to 9/11 to the prior year and it was clearly statistically significant, no doubt about it, and it was all predicting a downward movement, ie, purchase of put options. The government panel investigating 9/11 look at this issue and came up with some reasons for the unusual trading - it being unusual wasn't questioned. They didn't give enough info on the source documents for me to find them and do my own analysis, but their reasons seemed weak Where did you find the reasons they gave? I was under the impression they'd just said there were explanations and left it at that. for example they referred to an options newsletter that went bearish on airlines that week, which would be relevant if all airlines saw bearish trading, but only the 2 involved in 9/11 showed bearish trading. There were some other weakass explanations as well. Though data on options trading is publicly available, info on the accts involved in the trading is not and I'm not sure what they know about the accts and account holders involved in the unusually high volume trading. That to me is the key. Yes, of course it is. All the rest of the nonsense being argued here is just an attempt to distract attention from the real issue: Who was doing that trading? That's why I brought it up in the first place. You brought it up in the first place because you wanted to allude to the fact that Bushies and company were behind it. If the terrorists were behind it -- which I would assume they were -- you wouldn't have wasted your time bringing it up or bringing it up in the context within which you did, which was a discussion of the 9/11 video (the whole theme of which is that Bushies were behind it all). What would the status be of the records that would show who was doing the trading? Who would have them, and what would be required to pry that information loose? It's potentially evidence of a crime, i.e., knowing the attacks were going to take place but not reporting that fact to the authorities. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip The poster I was responding to was suggesting there *were* no such anomalies (just as you were earlier), which is ludicrous on its face. You are clerarly not reading my posts judy, so its hard to intervene with your debate with some phantom posts. I never said there were no anomolies, I simply asked for data and analysis so could understand how anomolous and unsual were being defined. The press gets quite excited and report sensational stuff all the time, that upon analysis, is much ado about nothing. One more time: The press didn't make up the idea that there were anomalies. The press reported that financial institutions all over the world thought there were anomalies significant enough to investigate. So drop the straw man about the press, please. And stop pretending you haven't been expressing extreme skepticism that there were any such anomalies. Judy: if the press is, as you say, a straw man, then why do you continually refer your correspondents to newspaper articles on the subject? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: No, you made that up. The 9/11 commission (sixth time now) said there were innocuous explanations for the anomalies. I am missing your point. True, I interpret innocuous explanations as non-conclusive in finding any trading that could not be explained as normal business. Uh-huh, *now* you interpret it that way. I am sorry, that is how I have always interpreted it. If you find instances where believe I said otehr wise, simple cite them . snip So what investigation produced a conclusion that conclusive statistically significant anomolies occurred? The investigations were based on the *fact* that there were statistically significant anomalies. That's what they were investigating, you see, the statistically significant anomalies. If there were no statistically significant anomalies, there'd have been nothing to investigate. You apparently have no idea what statistical significance refers to. There are such huge semantic gaps here, further discussion I can only assume will be unproductive. No, you're just unable to back down from your initial mistaken assumptions. You assumed at first that the media had started the story of the statistically significant anomalies, When did I EVER assume that. I asked for cites of your presumption that the trades were IN FACT outside normal patterns in a statistically significant way (Sigma 4 or 5 event) and you cited newspapers -- that did no such thing. then when you learned otherwise, you tried to punt and claim the investigations were to find out *whether* there were statistically significant anomalies, rather than to invest igate the anomalies themselves and try to find out who was responsible for them. Based on the above, I rest my case: You apparently have no idea what statistical significance refers to. There are such huge semantic gaps here, further discussion I can only assume will be unproductive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] All I said was that there were anomalies significant enough for there to be investigations *to see if there had been* any wrongdoing, in response to your attempt to pooh-pooh the idea that there had been any such anomalies. [snip] Am I missing something here? I got the distinct impression, Judy, that you were alluding to some sinister, mischievious, conspiratorial misdeeds on the part of some unnamed Americans -- probably Bush and company. Were you not? Nope. Yes, when push came to shove, you backed off that and staked the position that it was the terrorists that may have done the as-yet unproved insider trading...but, gee, am I the only one who thought where you were going with this was that the evil neo-cons were going to be the punchline? I'm not responsible for your wild inferences, Shemp. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snoops: 9/11 Put Options Urban Myth is False
...and with this definitive explanation hopefully we can put the issue -- and Judy -- to rest. Permanently. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp Claim: In the days just prior to the 11 September 2001, large quantities of stock in United and American Airlines were traded by persons with foreknowledge of the upcoming 9/11 attacks. Status: False. Origins: On 11 September 2001, four planes were hijacked and used in the Attack on America: American Airlines Flight 11 leaving Boston bound for Los Angeles, American Airlines Flight 77 leaving Washington bound for Los Angeles, United Airlines Flight 175 leaving Boston bound for Los Angeles, and United Airlines Flight 93 leaving Newark bound for San Francisco. Each of these planes was deliberately crashed, killing all on board two into the World Trade Center towers, one into the Pentagon, and one into a field in Pennsylvania. (Only the delay in takeoff of UA Flight 93 and the actions of the alerted passengers on board prevented it from becoming yet another instrument of destruction resulting in an even greater loss of life.) The operation had taken years to plan, and the perpetrators knew well in advance which airlines would be affected. In the month prior to the 11 September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, unusual trading activity involving American and United Airlines stock was noted by market analysts who at the time had no idea what to make of it. Wildly unusual discrepancies in the put and call ratio 25 to 100 times normal were reportedly observed in stock options of the two airlines. In one case, Bloomberg's Trade Book electronic trading system identified option volume in UAL (parent of United Airlines) on 16 August 2001 that was 36 times higher than usual. (Options are wagers that the price of a 100-share block of a particular stock will rise or fall by a certain date. Puts are shorts bets the stock price will fall. Calls are bets the price will rise. Thus, one who has reason to believe a particular company is about to suffer a terrible reversal of fortune would purchase puts against that entity's stock.) But it was during the final few trading days (the market closes on weekends) that the most unusual variances in activity occurred. Bloomberg data showed that on 6 September 2001, the Thursday before that black Tuesday, put-option volume in UAL stock was nearly 100 times higher than normal: 2,000 options versus 27 on the previous day. On 6 and 7 September 2001, the Chicago Board Options Exchange handled 4,744 put options for United Airlines' stock, translating into 474,000 shares, compared with just 396 call options, or 39,600 shares. On a day that the put-to-call ratio would normally have been expected to be roughly 1:1 (no negative news stories about United had broken), it was instead 12:1. On 10 September 2001, another uneventful news day, American Airlines' option volume was 4,516 puts and 748 calls, a ratio of 6:1 on yet another day when by rights these options should have been trading even. No other airline stocks were affected; only United and American were shorted in this fashion. Accelerated investments speculating a downturn in the value of Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch (two New York investment firms severely damaged by the World Trade Center attack) were also observed. The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9/11 Commission) investigated these rumors and found that although some unusual (and initially seemingly suspicious) trading activity did occur in the days prior to September 11, it was all coincidentally innocuous and not the result of insider trading by parties with foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks: Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip [I wrote:] (Hint: Providing an explanation for an anomaly does not somehow make it no longer anomalous.) IF the explanation is correct, it sure does. No, it doesn't. From Mr. Dictionary: deviation from the common rule : IRREGULARITY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snoops: 9/11 Put Options Urban Myth is False
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp Claim: In the days just prior to the 11 September 2001, large quantities of stock in United and American Airlines were traded by persons with foreknowledge of the upcoming 9/11 attacks. Status: False. This appears to be based on the 9/11 commission's findings reported by Mark Meredith. As he says, they're quite weak as explanations. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm pointing out that it's nonsensical for you to ask *me* to prove the experts were right in thinking there were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation. If all you are saying inall of this is the experts thoughtthere were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation fine, no disagreemnt. I have said nothing to contradict this obvious point. That's all I've ever said. Why have you been arguing with me if you agree? Because you have said the stock volumes have factually been shown to be statistically significant anomolies of normal long run trading patterns, yet you failed to cite any study or investigation that concludes that. Because that was the *premise* of the investigations, not what the investigations were trying to determine. They investigated *because* the anomalies were statistically significant, as Mark Meredith has just told you, and as I've been telling you all along. Mark eyeballed it and said it was statistically significant. I have been defining such as a sigma 4 or 5 event, 4-5 standard deviations from a quarterly or annual average. Mark has yet to demonstrate that. I just graphed the data for AMR and Boeing and the trading in puts, and the stock was clearly NOT out of the ordinary over a two year view. And its quite funny, trading in calls just prior to 911 was much higher than in puts. Read the 911 commission statement I posted. (And the Snops post.) They found National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9/11 Commission) Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous. Which words did you not understand? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Great news: Invincibility course in The Netherlands!
It is a great joy to announce a new programme to raise The Netherlands to Invincibility in the coming weeks. 200 Governors and Sidhas are invited from the European countries to come here and create Invincibility for the Netherlands. Each country should have as its aim to send 10 Sidhas to this Training Course. The Sidhas coming here will be deepening their own Yogic Flying experience for higher states of consciousness. Also, they will receive a training to create invincibility in their own countries. After the training course, they will be authorized to teach such courses in their own country on behalf of Maharishi Vedic University, Netherlands. Sidhas may arrive immediately or latest by the 12th of April. The course is planned for 2 months but Course Participants may leave after one month if it?s necessary. For now, only men are invited to come. The ladies will be invited once we have more comfortable housing available. The price of the course is 30 Euros per day. Before the Course Participants start traveling, please send us a list with their name and age. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip [I wrote:] It isn't my opinion that there were trading anomalies; it's a matter of public record. I provided cites to news reports on what they were. But just because someone who writes a newspaper story says something and comes to a certain conclusion, Judy, doesn't make it so. No, Shemp. Pay attention, please. The newspaper stories were about financial institutions all over the world that had seen these anomalies and then undertaken to investigate them. It wasn't something the newspapers made up on their own. An issue here is judy appears to equate anomoly with statistical significant anomoly perhaps because she has little under standing of statistics and the term statistical significance. I have further defined what level of statistical significance I am referring to in three or more posts: 4-5 standard deviations from the average over a 90-360 day period. Judy appears to make no distinction between some oddity -- any old an anomoly, and the above: 4-5 standard deviations from the average over a 90-360 day period. That is why I have been saying there is a huge semantic chasm here. If some parties of the dsicussion have no clue as to technical and precise terms being used in the discussion, its doomed to failure. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Fairfield story about options
on 4/2/06 1:43 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred somebody Gratzon and that other guy Cliff Rees both started those successful long- distance telephone businesses a while back. Telegroup. At least one of them had several hundred employees as I understand it. USA Global Link was the other one, started by Chris Hartnett. One employee felt that a higher-up Dick DeAngelis was sexually harassing her Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Commission on 911 Puts apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous. Note that *even if* these innocuous explanations are correct, the investigations were conducted *because* there was statistically significant anomalous trading. So all your huffing and puffing about statistical significance was, as I pointed out repeatedly, a non sequitur. And Mark Meredith finds the supposed explanations unconvincing, so we're back where we started when I first brought up the anomalies. If you trust the 9/11 commission, fine, then you can rest comfortably in the assumption that all the anomalies have been explained. But it's quite amusing that you're not demanding to see the documentation for *its* conclusions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm pointing out that it's nonsensical for you to ask *me* to prove the experts were right in thinking there were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation. If all you are saying inall of this is the experts thoughtthere were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation fine, no disagreemnt. I have said nothing to contradict this obvious point. That's all I've ever said. Why have you been arguing with me if you agree? Because you have said the stock volumes have factually been shown to be statistically significant anomolies of normal long run trading patterns, yet you failed to cite any study or investigation that concludes that. Because that was the *premise* of the investigations, not what the investigations were trying to determine. They investigated *because* the anomalies were statistically significant, as Mark Meredith has just told you, and as I've been telling you all along. Mark told us that he compared the options trading in the relevant airlines the prior week to 9/11 to the prior year and found it statistically significant. Other than reading government reports and other reports -- which Mark stated didn't give enough info on the source documents for me to find them and do my own analysis -- that's pretty much all that Mark looked into himself. Anon above referred to statistically significant anomolies of normal long run trading patterns, which is something quite different than looking at two days of trading, which is what Mark did. And as far as at least one of the downward indicating trades are concerned, the purchase of put options (on American stock) by one institutional investor -- as Anon posted in the snopes article he reproduced in message 93255 -- was counteracted by that same institutional investor actually PURCHASING a huge block of American stock on the same day. Judy, Mark Meredith will confirm to you that that is an investing strategy known as hedging in which a downward-indicating purchase (the puts) is counter-balanced by an upward-indicating purchase (stock purchase) of the same stock. I think Mark Meredith will agree that with THIS knowledge of the purchase of the stock together with the purchase of the puts of the same stock ELIMINATES any suspicion of the puts purchase as indicating any foul play, at least as far as this purchase is concerned. Mark? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snoops: 9/11 Put Options Urban Myth is False
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp Claim: In the days just prior to the 11 September 2001, large quantities of stock in United and American Airlines were traded by persons with foreknowledge of the upcoming 9/11 attacks. Status: False. This appears to be based on the 9/11 commission's findings reported by Mark Meredith. As he says, they're quite weak as explanations. The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9/11 Commission) investigated these rumors and found that although some unusual (and initially seemingly suspicious) trading activity did occur in the days prior to September 11, it was all coincidentally innocuous and not the result of insider trading by parties with foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks: Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip [I wrote:] It isn't my opinion that there were trading anomalies; it's a matter of public record. I provided cites to news reports on what they were. But just because someone who writes a newspaper story says something and comes to a certain conclusion, Judy, doesn't make it so. No, Shemp. Pay attention, please. The newspaper stories were about financial institutions all over the world that had seen these anomalies and then undertaken to investigate them. It wasn't something the newspapers made up on their own. Judy. Pay attention. You were implying that Bush was behind the stock trades. That is what this is all about. Admit it or shut the fuck up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip The poster I was responding to was suggesting there *were* no such anomalies (just as you were earlier), which is ludicrous on its face. You are clerarly not reading my posts judy, so its hard to intervene with your debate with some phantom posts. I never said there were no anomolies, I simply asked for data and analysis so could understand how anomolous and unsual were being defined. The press gets quite excited and report sensational stuff all the time, that upon analysis, is much ado about nothing. One more time: The press didn't make up the idea that there were anomalies. The press reported that financial institutions all over the world thought there were anomalies significant enough to investigate. So drop the straw man about the press, please. And stop pretending you haven't been expressing extreme skepticism that there were any such anomalies. Judy: if the press is, as you say, a straw man, then why do you continually refer your correspondents to newspaper articles on the subject? Read the context, please. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip An issue here is judy appears to equate anomoly with statistical significant anomoly Wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Commission on 911 Puts apparently suspicious consistently proved innocu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous. Note that *even if* these innocuous explanations are correct, the investigations were conducted *because* there was statistically significant anomalous trading. Judy, please define for us what YOU think statistical significance actually means. Unlikely to have occurred by chance. So all your huffing and puffing about statistical significance was, as I pointed out repeatedly, a non sequitur. No, not for the points I have been making. It is the point. Nope, not the point. There was never any question that the trading was anomalous to a statistically significant degree. The issue is, and has been from the beginning, your attempts to divert the discussion to your straw man notwithstanding, the *reasons* for the statistically significant anomalous trading. The 9/11 commission believes, or says it believes, it found the reasons, i.e., they did not occur by chance, but there were benign explanations for the anomalies. If you trust the 9/11 commission, fine, the whole issue has been settled to your satisfaction. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snoops: 9/11 Put Options Urban Myth is False
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp Claim: In the days just prior to the 11 September 2001, large quantities of stock in United and American Airlines were traded by persons with foreknowledge of the upcoming 9/11 attacks. Status: False. This appears to be based on the 9/11 commission's findings reported by Mark Meredith. As he says, they're quite weak as explanations. Just out of curiosity, why are you reposting this from Snopes for the fifth time now? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Commission on 911 Puts apparently suspicious con...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip [I wrote:] It isn't my opinion that there were trading anomalies; it's a matter of public record. I provided cites to news reports on what they were. But just because someone who writes a newspaper story says something and comes to a certain conclusion, Judy, doesn't make it so. No, Shemp. Pay attention, please. The newspaper stories were about financial institutions all over the world that had seen these anomalies and then undertaken to investigate them. It wasn't something the newspapers made up on their own. Judy. Pay attention. You were implying that Bush was behind the stock trades. No, Shemp, I was not. You're VERY much mistaken. And you're indulging in yet another non sequitur to boot. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I never advanced such a hypothesis. *Somebody* profited from insider information about the attacks, however, and that's what needs to be determined: Who? Ok, I stand clarified as to your views. The above view that Bush administration insiders profited from insider a la advanced knowleedge of 9/11 does appear to be the premise of the video. !! And that is what I thought that Judy was going with this. I said several times that I hadn't even seen the video. Then what, pray tell, was the real dirt you were alluding to? But then, all of a sudden, she backs off and bravely declares that it really was the terrorists who profited. I didn't have anything to back off of; I never said it was the Bush administration. Nor did I declare that it really was the terrorists who profited. You made both of those up, Shemp. The poor dear forgot what she wrote in message 93096. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: snip The trading anomolies were in the options trading of the 2 airlines involved in 9/11 hijackings. The data is easily available - I do options trading for a living. I compared the options trading in the relevant airlines the prior week to 9/11 to the prior year and it was clearly statistically significant, no doubt about it, and it was all predicting a downward movement, ie, purchase of put options. The government panel investigating 9/11 look at this issue and came up with some reasons for the unusual trading - it being unusual wasn't questioned. They didn't give enough info on the source documents for me to find them and do my own analysis, but their reasons seemed weak Where did you find the reasons they gave? I was under the impression they'd just said there were explanations and left it at that. for example they referred to an options newsletter that went bearish on airlines that week, which would be relevant if all airlines saw bearish trading, but only the 2 involved in 9/11 showed bearish trading. There were some other weakass explanations as well. Though data on options trading is publicly available, info on the accts involved in the trading is not and I'm not sure what they know about the accts and account holders involved in the unusually high volume trading. That to me is the key. Yes, of course it is. All the rest of the nonsense being argued here is just an attempt to distract attention from the real issue: Who was doing that trading? That's why I brought it up in the first place. What would the status be of the records that would show who was doing the trading? Who would have them, and what would be required to pry that information loose? It's potentially evidence of a crime, i.e., knowing the attacks were going to take place but not reporting that fact to the authorities. +++ When the authorities are the ones causing the problem, whistleblowing becomes a hazard to the person with the whistle. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snoops: 9/11 Put Options Urban Myth is False
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp Claim: In the days just prior to the 11 September 2001, large quantities of stock in United and American Airlines were traded by persons with foreknowledge of the upcoming 9/11 attacks. Status: False. This appears to be based on the 9/11 commission's findings reported by Mark Meredith. As he says, they're quite weak as explanations. I'd like to hear whether Mark thinks the hedging explanation of the American Airlines puts purchase along with the similtaneous stock purchase of the same stock is quite weak. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snoops: 9/11 Put Options Urban Myth is False
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp Claim: In the days just prior to the 11 September 2001, large quantities of stock in United and American Airlines were traded by persons with foreknowledge of the upcoming 9/11 attacks. Status: False. This appears to be based on the 9/11 commission's findings reported by Mark Meredith. As he says, they're quite weak as explanations. Just out of curiosity, why are you reposting this from Snopes for the fifth time now? Because nothing you have said reflects that you have read it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'm pointing out that it's nonsensical for you to ask *me* to prove the experts were right in thinking there were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation. If all you are saying inall of this is the experts thoughtthere were anomalies significant enough to warrant investigation fine, no disagreemnt. I have said nothing to contradict this obvious point. That's all I've ever said. Why have you been arguing with me if you agree? Because you have said the stock volumes have factually been shown to be statistically significant anomolies of normal long run trading patterns, yet you failed to cite any study or investigation that concludes that. Because that was the *premise* of the investigations, not what the investigations were trying to determine. They investigated *because* the anomalies were statistically significant, as Mark Meredith has just told you, and as I've been telling you all along. Mark eyeballed it and said it was statistically significant. I have been defining such as a sigma 4 or 5 event, 4-5 standard deviations from a quarterly or annual average. Mark has yet to demonstrate that. I just graphed the data for AMR and Boeing and the trading in puts, and the stock was clearly NOT out of the ordinary over a two year view. And its quite funny, trading in calls just prior to 911 was much higher than in puts. Read the 911 commission statement I posted. (And the Snops post.) They found National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9/11 Commission) Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous. Which words did you not understand? Anything that contradicts her. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fairfield story about options
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we've been having a debate as of late (okay it's not so much a debate as it is Judy blowing hot air about a subject she knows nothing about!) Note that the volumes of profoundly ignorant hot air in this discussion have been emanating exclusively from Shemp. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 911 Commission on 911 Puts apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous. Note that *even if* these innocuous explanations are correct, the investigations were conducted *because* there was statistically significant anomalous trading. So all your huffing and puffing about statistical significance was, as I pointed out repeatedly, a non sequitur. And Mark Meredith finds the supposed explanations unconvincing, so we're back where we started when I first brought up the anomalies. I'd love to hear what Mark says about the hedging... If you trust the 9/11 commission, fine, then you can rest comfortably in the assumption that all the anomalies have been explained. But it's quite amusing that you're not demanding to see the documentation for *its* conclusions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: snip Though data on options trading is publicly available, info on the accts involved in the trading is not and I'm not sure what they know about the accts and account holders involved in the unusually high volume trading. That to me is the key. Yes, of course it is. All the rest of the nonsense being argued here is just an attempt to distract attention from the real issue: Who was doing that trading? That's why I brought it up in the first place. You brought it up in the first place because you wanted to allude to the fact that Bushies and company were behind it. Wrong again, Shampoo. See your own words in message 93096 If the terrorists were behind it -- which I would assume they were -- you wouldn't have wasted your time bringing it up or bringing it up in the context within which you did, which was a discussion of the 9/11 video (the whole theme of which is that Bushies were behind it all). And wrong again. Actually the video was brought up in the context of what I had been talking about. Further, there's no reason to assume it was the terrorists who were making the trades, as I've already pointed out. And the 9/11 commission claims it was not only not the terrorists, but, after all, perfectly benign. !! Oh, the gall of the woman! Now she's telling us that is WAS all perfectly benign! Does anyone have a gun? I want to shoot myself... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's Time To Tell Iran'
The iranian government is printing Counterfeit US-$ dollar currency notes for decades with it's state-of-art intaligo press. About, 50% percent of the fake US-$ dollars in the world financial market are printed by the Iranian government and released into circulation. The Bush Adminstration still haven't taken any action on it. Iran cannot attack America. But my feeling is that Iran is certainly going to mess with Israel and Israel will retaliate in a Stinging manner. peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:12:36 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'It's Time To Tell Iran' Really? They Iranian government have pissed on the U.S. in every conceivable way for almost thirty years now. The only thing the U.S. has done is to turn the other cheek. I don't question that American tolerance has a limit - I just don't think the Iranian clergy has realized it's there. The equation may also be complicated by factors such as Iranian Clergy confidence being boosted by claimed ownership of former Soviet black market nukes which they use to rattle the White House with. Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: snip An issue here is judy appears to equate anomoly with statistical significant anomoly Wrong. The holy man who said: The world is as you are was wrong. The world is as Judy Stein sees it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Snoops: 9/11 Put Options Urban Myth is False
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ wrote: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp Claim: In the days just prior to the 11 September 2001, large quantities of stock in United and American Airlines were traded by persons with foreknowledge of the upcoming 9/11 attacks. Status: False. This appears to be based on the 9/11 commission's findings reported by Mark Meredith. As he says, they're quite weak as explanations. Just out of curiosity, why are you reposting this from Snopes for the fifth time now? 'Cause you didn't get it through your thick skull the first time. What other option (no pun intended) does Anon have other than bombard you with the definitive facts? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip [I wrote:] It isn't my opinion that there were trading anomalies; it's a matter of public record. I provided cites to news reports on what they were. But just because someone who writes a newspaper story says something and comes to a certain conclusion, Judy, doesn't make it so. No, Shemp. Pay attention, please. The newspaper stories were about financial institutions all over the world that had seen these anomalies and then undertaken to investigate them. It wasn't something the newspapers made up on their own. Judy. Pay attention. You were implying that Bush was behind the stock trades. No, Shemp, I was not. You're VERY much mistaken. And you're indulging in yet another non sequitur to boot. All see message# 93096 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] All I said was that there were anomalies significant enough for there to be investigations *to see if there had been* any wrongdoing, in response to your attempt to pooh-pooh the idea that there had been any such anomalies. [snip] Am I missing something here? I got the distinct impression, Judy, that you were alluding to some sinister, mischievious, conspiratorial misdeeds on the part of some unnamed Americans -- probably Bush and company. Were you not? Nope. You weren't? Gee, Judy, let's all take a look at what you wrote in message 93096 when we were all discussing the 9/11 videos (which we can all agree is about laying at least SOME blame of 9/11 on some unnamed Americans or Bush and company). Yeah, but we weren't discussing the video, Shemp. Go back and look. You wrote about the real dirt which you thought existed: And I think there is some, you wrote. You continued: The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. Well, Judy, the real dirt you alluded to was NOT that terrorists were behind the trading. That isn't real dirt...everyone knew the terrorists flew the planes into buildings. And, of course, the context of the discussion was conspiracy theory and that video, It was conspiracy theory, but not that video. And if you'll recall, I was suggesting that the conspiracy theories about controlled demolition and a missile hitting the Pentagon were distractions, possibly encouraged by disinformation. The video came into the discussion later on, *after* I'd brought up the stock market thing. the theme of which wasn't to remind us of Muslim terrorists being part of 9/11 -- everyone knows THAT -- but that some unnamed Americans were behind it. THAT is what you, Judy, with your own words were alluding to and I dare you now to say otherwise. Oh, I say otherwise, unequivocally. If you weren't alluding to that, what WERE you referring to with your word about the real dirt? You just quoted what I wrote, Shemp. Obviously what I was referring to was that the stock anomalies appeared to indicate that somebody knew about the attacks in advance. I never said or implied anything more than that. I never suggested the traders in question were behind the attacks. You made that up. You should also now admit that you were incorrect when you said that you hadn't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign because you now have: Anon reproduced the well-cited snopes article that shows you it was benign. So you were wrong. Heehee. No, Shemp, I was absolutely correct when I said I hadn't seen anybody even attempt to make a case. And you missed the mark when you wrote: On the other hand, it's usually just mentioned in passing as one of the 'unanswered questions.' I'm unaware of anyone who is seriously trying to dig up information on it. Well, you stand corrected now, don't you, Judy, because you have now seen it. Note that I never said nobody *had*, only that I was unaware of anyone having done so. I don't choose my words at random, Shemp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] All I said was that there were anomalies significant enough for there to be investigations *to see if there had been* any wrongdoing, in response to your attempt to pooh-pooh the idea that there had been any such anomalies. [snip] Am I missing something here? I got the distinct impression, Judy, that you were alluding to some sinister, mischievious, conspiratorial misdeeds on the part of some unnamed Americans -- probably Bush and company. Were you not? Nope. You weren't? Gee, Judy, let's all take a look at what you wrote in message 93096 when we were all discussing the 9/11 videos (which we can all agree is about laying at least SOME blame of 9/11 on some unnamed Americans or Bush and company). Yeah, but we weren't discussing the video, Shemp. Go back and look. You wrote about the real dirt which you thought existed: And I think there is some, you wrote. You continued: The most glaring evidence that something funny was going on is what happened on the stock market in the days before the attack. I haven't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign. Well, Judy, the real dirt you alluded to was NOT that terrorists were behind the trading. That isn't real dirt...everyone knew the terrorists flew the planes into buildings. And, of course, the context of the discussion was conspiracy theory and that video, It was conspiracy theory, but not that video. And if you'll recall, I was suggesting that the conspiracy theories about controlled demolition and a missile hitting the Pentagon were distractions, possibly encouraged by disinformation. The video came into the discussion later on, *after* I'd brought up the stock market thing. the theme of which wasn't to remind us of Muslim terrorists being part of 9/11 -- everyone knows THAT -- but that some unnamed Americans were behind it. THAT is what you, Judy, with your own words were alluding to and I dare you now to say otherwise. Oh, I say otherwise, unequivocally. If you weren't alluding to that, what WERE you referring to with your word about the real dirt? You just quoted what I wrote, Shemp. Obviously what I was referring to was that the stock anomalies appeared to indicate that somebody knew about the attacks in advance. I never said or implied anything more than that. I never suggested the traders in question were behind the attacks. You made that up. You should also now admit that you were incorrect when you said that you hadn't seen anybody even attempt to make a case that that was benign because you now have: Anon reproduced the well-cited snopes article that shows you it was benign. So you were wrong. Heehee. No, Shemp, I was absolutely correct when I said I hadn't seen anybody even attempt to make a case. And you missed the mark when you wrote: On the other hand, it's usually just mentioned in passing as one of the 'unanswered questions.' I'm unaware of anyone who is seriously trying to dig up information on it. Well, you stand corrected now, don't you, Judy, because you have now seen it. Note that I never said nobody *had*, only that I was unaware of anyone having done so. I don't choose my words at random, Shemp. Let the readers decide themselves (assumeing there are any left...). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip But then, all of a sudden, she backs off and bravely declares that it really was the terrorists who profited. I didn't have anything to back off of; I never said it was the Bush administration. Nor did I declare that it really was the terrorists who profited. You made both of those up, Shemp. The poor dear forgot what she wrote in message 93096. Nope, that would be Shemp who forgot (even after he went and looked it up, too). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Book- by Cynthia Lennon
If Lennon was such a crank, How did Yoko Ono take all the shit.? Maybe, Yoko Ono was the one who introduced Lennon to Heroin.?? Maybe Heroin toned him down.?? or was it Maharishi.?? Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT)Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Book- by Cynthia LennonCynthia Lennon shares John's story from her side FLINT JOURNAL REVIEW FLINT THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITIONSunday, April 02, 2006 By Rose Mary Reiz[EMAIL PROTECTED] 810.766.6353 QUICK TAKEJOHN Cynthia lennon Crown, $25.95, 32 Review by Rose Mary Reiz Like the woman who helps put her young husband through college only to be abandoned once he's become a success, Cynthia Lennon was there for husband John when he was a struggling musician trying to get his 1950s Liverpool band, the Quarrymen, noticed. Then John and three friends formed a little group called the Beatles. For the next 10 years - from "Love Me Do" to LSD, from Ed Sullivan to the Maharishi - Cynthia Lennon was there. And then she was gone, consigned, in her own words, "to a brief walk-on part in John's life." "John," a memoir about her years with the legendary Lennon, is Cynthia's attempt at setting the record straight. "Only I know," she writes in the introduction, "what really happened between us, why we stayed together, why we parted, and the price I paid for having been John's wife." The price was steep. Lennon was creative, complex and sometimes cruel, a brilliant, generous but needy man who preached world peace while often failing at the domestic variety. Cynthia became besotted with Lennon when both attended the same Liverpool art school in the 1950s. John was witty, aggressive and rebellious; Cynthia was timid and eager to please. He, damaged by the early loss of his parents, alternately adored and abused those he loved. She, like the good co-dependent she was, withstood his tantrums, determined to love him out of his bad behavior. Cynthia's story is not new, but her vantage point is fascinating. In straight-forward, unaffected prose, she shows readers what it was like to be, first, John Lennon's secret girlfriend (Beatles manager Brian Epstein wanted Cynthia hidden, out of fear fans wouldn't like one of the Fab Four being "taken"), and later, his wife and the mother of their son, Julian. Many of her early memories are sweet recountings of John's bewilderment at Beatlemania. In one scene, she describes the end of the flight as the Beatles arrive for the first time in America. "'We can always turn around and go home again if no one likes us,' John joked, but any ideas about going home again were rapidly forgotten when we looked out the windows of the plane as it taxied to a halt. 'Oh my God, look at that!' John spoke for us all, as our jaws dropped at the side of over ten thousand teenagers singing, 'We love you, Beatles, oh yes, we do.'" The world loved the Beatles, and Cynthia loved John. And still does. She writes with compassion about his troubled upbringing, and his confusion in dealing with a level of fame that made normal life all but impossible. Cynthia still admires John's humor, talent and generosity toward fans, speculating the latter may have contributed to his 1980 assassination by a crazed admirer he had spoken with earlier in the day. She defends her him against some of his critics, but doesn't shy from describing the humiliating pain of watching him pursue drugs as a strange artist named Yoko Ono pursued him. Most heartbreaking was John's neglect of son Julian, a confused little boy who mostly had to learn about his father's whereabouts from newspaper clippings. At one point, Cynthia describes 6-year-old Julian's confusion while watching a television broadcast of his father and Yoko lying in bed during their famous "bed-in" for peace. "'What's Dad doing in bed on the telly?' he asked. 'Telling everyone it's very important to have peace,' I answered through gritted teeth.'" Cynthia Lennon is to be commended for "John." It is a satisfying read that avoids the pitfalls of most tell-alls and tributes. Some have criticized the book for being as much about Cynthia as it is about John. True enough - and even more interesting as a result. *** Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Check this out/New Stuff on 9/11'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/2/06 3:59:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The holy man who said: The world is as you are was wrong. The world is as Judy Stein sees it. oy! Shemp *really* doesn't like having his nose rubbed in his mistakes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Book- by Cynthia Lennon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Lennon was such a crank, How did Yoko Ono take all the shit.? She didn't. She threw him out on his ass, remember? Remember his lost week-end with mai-pei? Maybe, Yoko Ono was the one who introduced Lennon to Heroin.?? Maybe Heroin toned him down.?? or was it Maharishi.?? Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [FairfieldLife] New Book- by Cynthia Lennon Cynthia Lennon shares John's story from her side FLINT JOURNAL REVIEW FLINT THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION Sunday, April 02, 2006 By Rose Mary Reiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 810.766.6353 QUICK TAKEJOHN Cynthia lennon Crown, $25.95, 32 Review by Rose Mary Reiz Like the woman who helps put her young husband through college only to be abandoned once he's become a success, Cynthia Lennon was there for husband John when he was a struggling musician trying to get his 1950s Liverpool band, the Quarrymen, noticed. Then John and three friends formed a little group called the Beatles. For the next 10 years - from Love Me Do to LSD, from Ed Sullivan to the Maharishi - Cynthia Lennon was there. And then she was gone, consigned, in her own words, to a brief walk-on part in John's life. John, a memoir about her years with the legendary Lennon, is Cynthia's attempt at setting the record straight. Only I know, she writes in the introduction, what really happened between us, why we stayed together, why we parted, and the price I paid for having been John's wife. The price was steep. Lennon was creative, complex and sometimes cruel, a brilliant, generous but needy man who preached world peace while often failing at the domestic variety. Cynthia became besotted with Lennon when both attended the same Liverpool art school in the 1950s. John was witty, aggressive and rebellious; Cynthia was timid and eager to please. He, damaged by the early loss of his parents, alternately adored and abused those he loved. She, like the good co-dependent she was, withstood his tantrums, determined to love him out of his bad behavior. Cynthia's story is not new, but her vantage point is fascinating. In straight-forward, unaffected prose, she shows readers what it was like to be, first, John Lennon's secret girlfriend (Beatles manager Brian Epstein wanted Cynthia hidden, out of fear fans wouldn't like one of the Fab Four being taken), and later, his wife and the mother of their son, Julian. Many of her early memories are sweet recountings of John's bewilderment at Beatlemania. In one scene, she describes the end of the flight as the Beatles arrive for the first time in America. 'We can always turn around and go home again if no one likes us,' John joked, but any ideas about going home again were rapidly forgotten when we looked out the windows of the plane as it taxied to a halt. 'Oh my God, look at that!' John spoke for us all, as our jaws dropped at the side of over ten thousand teenagers singing, 'We love you, Beatles, oh yes, we do.' The world loved the Beatles, and Cynthia loved John. And still does. She writes with compassion about his troubled upbringing, and his confusion in dealing with a level of fame that made normal life all but impossible. Cynthia still admires John's humor, talent and generosity toward fans, speculating the latter may have contributed to his 1980 assassination by a crazed admirer he had spoken with earlier in the day. She defends her him against some of his critics, but doesn't shy from describing the humiliating pain of watching him pursue drugs as a strange artist named Yoko Ono pursued him. Most heartbreaking was John's neglect of son Julian, a confused little boy who mostly had to learn about his father's whereabouts from newspaper clippings. At one point, Cynthia describes 6-year-old Julian's confusion while watching a television broadcast of his father and Yoko lying in bed during their famous bed-in for peace. 'What's Dad doing in bed on the telly?' he asked. 'Telling everyone it's very important to have peace,' I answered through gritted teeth.' Cynthia Lennon is to be commended for John. It is a satisfying read that avoids the pitfalls of most tell-alls and tributes. Some have criticized the book for being as much about Cynthia as it is about John. True enough - and even more interesting as a result. *** - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Fairfield story about options
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Dick DeAngelis Barbara's brother? No relation, although both I believe are originally from New Jersey. And they both knew each other. I remember being at MIU as a student circa 1978 when Barbara was there with her then-husband Doug Henning who was giving us a lecture and when Dick stood up to ask a question Barbara kiddingly referred to him as my brother, Dick. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
