Re: [Finale] I can’t remember how to insert a space in lyrics!

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On 2019-09-12 12:14, Raymond Horton wrote:

And the documentation is no help. Frustrating!


On Windows, a hard space (ALT+0160) should do it. Don't know hard space 
on Mac.


Dennis

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Re: [Finale] Human Playback Sorcery

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On 2019-09-10 22:39, Robert Patterson wrote:
I still haven't figured out why some of my parts are fading out and 
others
aren't. They all have the same setting in the mixer, and I don't think 
any
of them modify the volume controller. But it sure sounds like something 
is

modifying it. (Only on seemingly random staves.)


Please post if you figure this out. It's been plaguing me for years in 
all the iterations of Finale since human playback was introduced. I have 
to add dynamic marks and hairpins just to cancel out whatever is causing 
the problem, and then delete them before producing the printed copy of 
the score.


Dennis

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Re: [Finale] different time signatures on different staves

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On 2019-09-06 16:12, Chuck Israels wrote:

As experienced as I am with Finale, I’ve never tried this — 12/8 on
some staves and 4/4 on others with the dotted quarter and quarter
being equal. I’m writing some things for classical string players and
classical guitarists, and getting anticipations played correctly
requires triple subdivisions of the quarter note. People used to jazz
notation interpret eight notes in context, but I can’t expect even
really good musicians without that experience to know when the eighths
are more or less equal and when they’re swung, so I end up writing
music cluttered with triplets. Being able to switch between 12/8 and
4/4 would result in a cleaner look.
Have any of you done this? Is it practical?


Assuming you mean the barlines are the same in all parts, then yes, I've 
done it frequently. My piece "Under the Aurora" for clarinet and string 
quartet uses places of simultaneous 7/8, 6/8, 5/8 and 4/4, and "Air" for 
harp and percussion has areas of 12/8, 13/8, 15/8 and 17/8.


The only caveat for me is that (at least as of Finale 25), hairpins do 
not always behave correctly (jump around horizontally).


Dennis



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Re: [Finale] Elision Slurs in lyrics

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On 2019-08-10 09:37, Robert Patterson wrote:

Does anyone know a more professional approach to elisions than the way
suggested in the Finale manual? The manual proposes the character 
shift-I
from the Engraver Font Set. The big problem with that is that it leaves 
a

gap between the two syllables. This is visually the opposite of what we
want with an elision. In hymn books you often encounter two syllables
eilided with no gap and a slur connecting them underneath. The official
Finale technique, in my opinion (at least for English), is worse than 
just

omitting elision slurs.


If you don't use up all the verses, it seems that you could create a 
verse with just the elision slurs and move it upward with the triangles. 
Just a thought.


Dennis

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Re: [Finale] Font mess

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Mon, April 15, 2019 1:26 am, Jan Angermüller wrote:
> Rebuild the font cache according to these instructions:
> https://winaero.com/blog/rebuild-font-cache-windows-10/
>
> Make sure the fonts are added to MacSymbolFonts.txt in your Finale
> 25/Configuration Files folder.
> ( C:\Users\YOURNAME\AppData\Roaming\MakeMusic\Finale\Configuration Files ).
> If they are not added, it is possible that the symbols 129-159 are
> missing (including the 142 "r").
> It depends on which Maestro version you install:
> the Finale fonts compiled for Windows usually work, the Finale fonts
> compiled for MacOS are more difficult to handle.

Thank you, Jan.

I had an old backup of my various fonts and dragged them into the fonts
folder. They are present again, but some of the font files are 20 years old.
Since dragging them back from my archive, the fonts now work (including
character 142).

Meanwhile, I followed the instructions you provided (the fonts were already in
the MacSymbolFonts.txt, including special versions of fonts that I developed).
After doing all this, the Windows font installers (either MMFonts.msi and
MMFont_Win.exe) still fail ('ended prematurely' and 'might not have installed
correctly', respectively).

I also ran, as I had said, the Finale installer itself -- both the complete
program and with only the font package boxes checked. If I remove the old
fonts to be sure the package installs the new ones, it does not install any
the Finale fonts. I have to drag them back.

Which puts me back at: where do I get the fonts without the installer to be
sure I have the latest, correct versions?

Thanks,
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[Finale] Font mess

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

I had a problem accessing some characters in Finale 25/Windows 10, and decided
to reinstall the Finale fonts in case one of the characters was damaged
(specifically 142, the "r", which wasn't showing up in Finale or other apps).

I followed the instructions on the Finale site, just to be sure, and deleted
all Finale fonts from the font folder as instructed, rebooted, and ran their
font installer. The installer fails.

So I reinstalled the full Finale package -- same issue. None of the fonts 
appear.

Is there a font package that I can download and install by hand? I'm not
finding anything but the msi installer on the Finale site.

Deadlines, of course. :(

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Disappearing parts

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Robert,

I already had. It offered nothing.

Fortunately there was only one part to rebuild. I just hope this isn't a new
"feature". (Whatever happened to good ol' ASCII format .etf files we could
comb through for clues!)

Dennis





On Mon, April 1, 2019 6:34 pm, Robert Patterson wrote:
> It sounds like file corruption to me. I would run Data Check and see what
> it says.
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 2:47 PM Dennis Bathory-Kitsz 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have an issue that's a little tricky to explain.
>>
>> This weekend I had to go back to a flute/piano score and make a fix where
>> Finale had twice placed incorrect block rests in the flute part: there were
>> two block rests (17+2) ignoring 11 measures of notes at the start of the
>> first
>> movement and two block rests (26+8) ignoring 24 measures of notes at the
>> start
>> of the third movement.
>>
>> The score was done in Finale 25.4.1.152 (Windows 10) on 10/31/17.
>>
>> I opened the file in Finale 25.5.0.290 to find there was no flute part
>> present
>> at all in the parts menu, nor were any parts present in the "manage parts"
>> dialog. The only thing in the "manage parts" dialog was the title of the
>> piece.
>>
>> However, my properly formatted flute and piano parts *could* be accessed
>> using
>> [ctl+alt+.]
>>
>> The program had kept the parts but erased their usual access modes. Since I
>> didn't trust the program to save things properly, I created new parts
>> (which
>> destroyed the layout, the separator pages between the movements, and the
>> title
>> page). Now re-opening the file properly shows all the parts.
>>
>> I'm wondering what might have caused the assignment of a block rests in
>> place
>> of notes, and if it might be related to losing the presence of parts.
>>
>> I keep numbered backups. #308 was where the parts were first created, and
>> #321
>> was the last. 308-321 were done on the same day without closing the
>> program,
>> so if it was some sort of bug, it carried through to when I re-opened and
>> saved the file as #322 this weekend.
>>
>> Has anyone come across something like this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dennis
>>
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[Finale] Disappearing parts

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

I have an issue that's a little tricky to explain.

This weekend I had to go back to a flute/piano score and make a fix where
Finale had twice placed incorrect block rests in the flute part: there were
two block rests (17+2) ignoring 11 measures of notes at the start of the first
movement and two block rests (26+8) ignoring 24 measures of notes at the start
of the third movement.

The score was done in Finale 25.4.1.152 (Windows 10) on 10/31/17.

I opened the file in Finale 25.5.0.290 to find there was no flute part present
at all in the parts menu, nor were any parts present in the "manage parts"
dialog. The only thing in the "manage parts" dialog was the title of the
piece.

However, my properly formatted flute and piano parts *could* be accessed using
[ctl+alt+.]

The program had kept the parts but erased their usual access modes. Since I
didn't trust the program to save things properly, I created new parts (which
destroyed the layout, the separator pages between the movements, and the title
page). Now re-opening the file properly shows all the parts.

I'm wondering what might have caused the assignment of a block rests in place
of notes, and if it might be related to losing the presence of parts.

I keep numbered backups. #308 was where the parts were first created, and #321
was the last. 308-321 were done on the same day without closing the program,
so if it was some sort of bug, it carried through to when I re-opened and
saved the file as #322 this weekend.

Has anyone come across something like this?

Thanks,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Default speedy entry frame width

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, March 15, 2019 8:13 am, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
> I am setting up Finale for a friend, and I would like automatic music
> spacing to be on. This means, that most of the time when you start
> entering music in Speedy the frame is tiny, because at some point before
> the empty measure had been spaced and is now small.
>
> Is there any way to make the Speedy entry frame default to a larger
> width, so that one can actually see the notes being entered?
>
> I realise that one could just make the measure larger before opening the
> Speedy frame, but that requires extra steps. It seems silly that this
> user-unfriendly relic has stayed as bad as ever over the years...

It's always bothered me. I don't think this has ever been changed (since I
started with 2.1 for Windows in 1993). I think the frame has always been a
fixed size.

Sometimes I have high and low notes to enter, and the staves go out of the 
frame.

Also, when dragging rests between staves, the grid disappears so placement
sometimes requires several tries.

Finally -- and this has persisted through a dozen different video systems, so
I doubt it's video-driver related -- when entering or adjusting notes that
have many ledger lines, the ledger lines go increasingly out of sync with the
cursor.

Speedy is my default entry method, and I've learned to live with this, albeit
unhappily.

Dennis


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[Finale] Standalone Aria Player FYI

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

I posted this on Facebook, but for others of my friends who sometimes use the
standalone Aria Player outside Finale (Windows version): If it won't launch,
check the logs. I spent hours today trying to find the problem and sent a help
request to MakeMusic (no response yet).

By reading the logs, I found that the standalone Aria Player doesn't play well
with the Elgato USB video capture hardware that I'm using. It would place an
error in the logs ("failed PaWasapi_Initialize error [-9986|Internal PortAudio
error]"), and then proceed to enumerate audio devices repeatedly until it
consumed all available computer memory. Once the Elgato unit was unplugged, it
launched. Since no other programs were affected by the presence of the Elgato
(including Aria Player running within Finale itself), it appears to be a bug
in the standalone version.

So if you have a standalone Aria Player that won't launch, check the logs for
a failed device initialization.


Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Sale: Dorico Pro 2 and Dorico Elements 2

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, January 31, 2019 4:37 pm, Robert Patterson wrote:
> What you absolutely *can't* do in Finale is multi-turn slurs like Dorico
> apparently has.

Oh, I so want these still. The gateway to flat slurs.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Major problems with win2014 file opened in 25

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, August 31, 2018 10:52 pm, Raymond Horton wrote:
> Help! I have a few files that I was working on in Finale 25 windows, and
> for a variety of reasons, had to work on them on another computer with
> fin2014 windows. They appeared to save in 2014 with no problem, but when I
> got them back to my main computer and open them in Windows finale 25, I
> have major problems: mostly, all of the slurs appear well above the staff.

Do you have a FAN file for the music font? I've had that happen with an
updated font of the one appearing in an old file. Just a thought.

Dennis



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Re: [Finale] Dorico 2

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, July 12, 2018 1:45 pm, Steve Schow wrote:
> Steinberg has had a strict stance
> on copy protection for a very long time with Cubase and has documented very
> well that this is just how it is, and how it will always be.  Of course of
> Steinberg goes out of business, which is unlikely to happen any time soon

Based on their very recent attempt to bludgeon users into VST3 licenses by
revoking VST2 licenses, I am absolutely never touching a Steinberg product. I
can only hope they go out of business.

Now let's please concentrate on Finale.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Dorico 2

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, July 3, 2018 1:53 pm, David H. Bailey wrote:
> 1) Very strict anti-piracy!

Yes, this is the deal-breaker for me. No company is trustworthy, especially
about their future, and Steinberg's continued use of user-punishing protection
is unacceptable. I don't use any of their protected products.

Plus, they're not a US company, so in this political era and with changes both
here and in the EU, there's no telling what will happen to cross-border
authorization. I'm staying away until they change that policy.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Exporting parts to PDF

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Mon, April 2, 2018 7:44 am, martin nickless wrote:
> Hi there is a free application ?



> On Mon, April 2, 2018 5:54 am, Lee Actor wrote:
>> The pdf printer I always recommend for Windows is Bullzip.


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Re: [Finale] Exporting parts to PDF

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Mon, April 2, 2018 5:54 am, Lee Actor wrote:
> The pdf printer I always recommend for Windows is Bullzip.  It's extremely
> stable, very fast, and produces the smallest file sizes of any such product
> I've surveyed -- and I've tried pretty much all of them.

I agree. I've used numerous PDF printers, both free and paid, and the only one
that's produced flawless (and compact) results has been Bullzip. Now using it
on Windows 10 Pro 64-bit with Finale 25.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Cutepdf & Finale

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, January 11, 2018 9:07 pm, Girard Bowe wrote:
> I just tried Bullzip pdf creator – no luck there, either. Must be a Finale
> issue.

Perhaps with your Finale installation, or something has gone amiss with your
Windows driver setup. I've used Bullzip for a long time, now with Finale 25
under Windows 10.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] PC keyboard help in staff tool?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, October 18, 2017 6:25 pm, Jon Delfin wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, October 18, 2017 7:38 am, SN jef chippewa wrote:
>> > i'm on mac, but helping a PC user learn finale.  what are the keys /
>> strokes
>> > to select non-adjacent staves in scroll view?  this is to define staff
>> sets.
>>
>> Shift-click the handles.
>>
> That will activate all the ones in between. Ctrl-click the ones you want.

Finale is an exception in the Windows UI. It's shift-click.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] PC keyboard help in staff tool?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Didn't see an answer yet...

On Wed, October 18, 2017 7:38 am, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> i'm on mac, but helping a PC user learn finale.  what are the keys / strokes
> to select non-adjacent staves in scroll view?  this is to define staff sets.

Shift-click the handles.

> also, what is the key command to select a defined staff set (ctl-1 through 8
> on mac; ctl-0 for all staves)?

I don't know any assigned command. I just use the menu keystrokes:

ALT+V, F, A or 1-8

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Create multi-staff instrument

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

jef,

Thanks for the info.

I found the file on Windows, but don't have any version of SQL installed. And
yes, the staff name abbreviations are always needing to be changed.

It would seem like such an easy addition -- a 'number of staves' column.

Workarounds, then.

Thanks again,
Dennis




On Sat, October 14, 2017 8:43 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
>
> i think the max # of staves for a single instrument is 3 (organ).
> these things are defined in the instrument database, which i fiddled
> with several years back.  on mac, you had to ctl-click the programme
> icon, as i recall.  and select "show package contents".  somewhere
> there was a file that could be opened and edited with certain
> database software programmes (like mysql).  i did it to correct
> errors in finale's databases -- i think it was that bass trombone was
> set as a transposing instrument, and some other small things that i
> felt needed to be corrected.  also i wanted to redefine the
> abbreviated names.  but since this would have to be done for each new
> version of the programme, i decided it was easier to live with the
> errors, since most of them i would almost never, if at all, come
> across, and to manually edit abbr. staff names...
>
> but if you decide to go for it, you will need to edit the database
> (appearance) and ensembles definitions.
>
> in the case of one piece with a 6-stave piano part, i would *never*
> bother with these kinds of hacks, easiest to just define it as a
> group.


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Re: [Finale] Create multi-staff instrument

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sat, October 14, 2017 3:57 am, Ryszard Pusz wrote:
> Dennis would a marimba solve the problem, as that comes on a double staff?

Yes, kluges are possible -- but I'm asking for the method to create new
multi-staff instruments for my default file that automatically show up like
the piano does with two staves below its name on the score manager. The
cimbalom isn't the only one. There are numerous instruments (including some of
my own design) that I'd like to have as two- or three-staff defaults. (I have
a piano piece on 6 staves and would love to have that show as a single
instrument.)

So does anyone know where the configuration files for multi-staff instruments
is found?

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Create multi-staff instrument

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, October 13, 2017 1:21 pm, Christopher Smith wrote:
> Can’t you just add a piano, then rename it to “cimbalom”? That seems way
> easier than digging into the configuration documents.

You're right, of course, but then I have to un-name the piano from piano 1,
etc. Since this will come up again (I have a few commissions for these folks),
I'd like for it to be in my template.

Dennis


>> On Fri Oct 13, at FridayOct 13 1:11 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
>> <bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Finale 25 Windows 10
>>
>> This has got to be simple, but I've never done multiple staves except by
>> using
>> groups or calling on Finale's built-in multi-staff instruments (piano, harp,
>> etc.).
>>
>> I want to add a cimbalom as a multi-staff instrument rather than as a group.
>>
>> I can find nothing about how to do create a multi-staff instrument, nor a
>> configuration file with this information ... must be just overlooking
>> something obvious.
>>
>> Help?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dennis
>>
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[Finale] Create multi-staff instrument

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Finale 25 Windows 10

This has got to be simple, but I've never done multiple staves except by using
groups or calling on Finale's built-in multi-staff instruments (piano, harp,
etc.).

I want to add a cimbalom as a multi-staff instrument rather than as a group.

I can find nothing about how to do create a multi-staff instrument, nor a
configuration file with this information ... must be just overlooking
something obvious.

Help?

Thanks,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Finale malware?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, September 29, 2017 2:44 pm, Simon Troup wrote:
> Something to do with:
> http://www.telerik.com/

I don't understand. Is Finale using a malware monitoring service?

Dennis


> On 29 September 2017 at 19:20, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <bath...@maltedmedia.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Finale 25 Windows 10.
>>
>> Malwarebytes is blocking an outbound connection to
>> 007388f3ab7c4015923017ac3b30dcd0.monitor-eqatec.com
>> IP Address: 52.202.145.216
>>
>> It's being made by Finale. Anybody know what this is? The report is new.
>>
>> Dennis



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[Finale] Finale malware?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Finale 25 Windows 10.

Malwarebytes is blocking an outbound connection to
007388f3ab7c4015923017ac3b30dcd0.monitor-eqatec.com
IP Address: 52.202.145.216

It's being made by Finale. Anybody know what this is? The report is new.

Dennis



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Re: [Finale] PDF export and placed graphics

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, September 12, 2017 2:49 pm, Lee Actor wrote:
> I've
> evaluated many of the print-to-pdf apps, and IMHO the best is Bullzip, which
> is fast, full-featured, produces very small file sizes, and is solid as a
> rock.  Plus it's free for individual use:
> http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php.

I thoroughly agree. I've used probably a dozen PDF drivers by now, and this
has been rock solid and makes perfect (and 'tidy') documents from Finale.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] 9X12 paper

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, September 7, 2017 7:56 pm, Howey, Henry wrote:
> Does anyone have sources?
> Printer settings?

I'm set for 9.25 x 12.20, custom print size in the dialog.

If you have a serious local print shop, they'll likely have a professional
paper cutter that can trim 500-1000 sheets at a time to your 9x12 size from
larger paper that you like to work with.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Playback problem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, August 31, 2017 2:33 pm, John Hyde wrote:
>   Thanks for the suggestion

Make sure you're not saving Midi volume data with your controller.

Try this:

Go into the Midi tool (not the Midi/Audio menu).
Dismiss the human playback message that comes up.
>From the Midi Tool menu, select "Edit Key Velocities".
Select the entire document (CTL-A on Windows).
>From the Midi Tool menu, choose "Clear".

Now try playback.

If it works, you may have old Midi data in there, or you may have recorded the
velocities from your Midi keyboard.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] what other fonts did you use ca. 2000?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sat, August 19, 2017 6:18 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> for those who were doing *contemporary* notation what were the fonts
> you used to supplement your arsenal of default fonts?

The Texier set. My modified Finale-compatible Revere was my default font.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] 1/4 tone keyboard notation

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, July 14, 2017 3:30 pm, Raymond Horton wrote:
> my guess would be, once it is established that the instrument is a quarter
> tone  detuned, normal notation would work the best.

I agree with this, and would just consider it a transposing instrument.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] F25: First run, first crash [another Bailey reply]

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, July 13, 2017 6:58 pm, David H. Bailey wrote:
> I just opened up Sonar Platinum and for the protocol choices in the audio
devices there are two options for WASAPI -- one is "Exclusive" and the other
is "Shared."
> I know that WASAPI can be run either way -- I wonder why neither Finale nor
Notion give us the option to use it exclusively or shared?
> Sonar Platinum works fine with WASAPI in either mode, so it's not WASAPI on
my computer that's the problem -- it's the notation software that doesn't
know how to interact with it that's the problem apparently.

Thanks, David.

Just to update: When I ran Finale a fourth time (immediately after your post),
I did not get the error message. I checked a file, then closed and re-opened
Finale, and the message came up again. This time I disabled WASAPI and
restarted. All is well since.

However, other things are odd in opening a Finale 2014.5 file: timpani rolls
no longer worked until I went into human playback, changed the timpani info,
and then reset it to the original state; not all expressions are respected
(like arco) unless I move them a beat earlier in the score; the fermata is no
longer played at all; and I still can't save an audio file (it gets stuck at
00:00) with 100% of one CPU being used (I have to save the score in two parts
and re-assemble them in Audition).

However, a previous problem that no one had an answer to here (why a cluster
of strings would drop out) has gone away.

I need to create a reliable version of this orchestral piece because it's
being used for a ballet (since no orchestra is actually going to play it
unless I win the lottery), and the unpredictable nature of playback/export is
crazy.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] F25: First run, first crash

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

David, thanks very much.

On Thu, July 13, 2017 3:32 pm, David H. Bailey wrote:
> WASAPI is an audio output protocol.  Most computers have several
> different ones installed -- my Win10 machine has WASAPI as well as
> WindowsDirectSound.  As long as there's one or another (like ASIO4ALL)
> that Finale25 will be able to interact with you'll be fine.

I have four protocols. ASIO (for Saffire) is what I generally use.

> Finale25 doesn't like my WASAPI either -- you can get around it though
> by starting Finale25 without WASAPI and then going to the MIDI/Audio
> menu and selecting Device Setup and then Audio Setup.  In the dialog
> that pops up if you click the down-triangle at the right of the entry
> for Audio Driver you will see the list (including WASAPI possibly) of
> possible entries.  Mine show DirectSound and ASIO as well as WASAPI.
> Selecting WASAPI on my machine gets the same error message you saw on
> your machine.

Okay. I will try this. I just didn't want it disabling a core component for
other software.

So does this mean that Finale's crash is only related to its own (non-)use of
WASAPI? I ran another dozen pieces of audio software, and none are using
WASAPI. In fact, only one (Audacity) even has it as an option.

> For some reason Fin25 just doesn't like WASAPI -- so don't let it use
> it.

Odd situation, it seems, since this is the latest Microsoft protocol and has
the best reviews among pro audio folks.

Thanks again,
D


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[Finale] F25: First run, first crash

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

I ran Finale 25 for the first time today, Windows 10 64-bit pro, and got this
message immediately:

"The WASAPI audio device type has caused a crash while attempting to
initialize. Do you want to:
- Quit without disabling this device type, or
- Disable this device type and quit Finale?
Disabling the device type will prevent WASAPI devices from being initialized
when Finale is started."

Anybody know what this means? I quit Finale. I don't want Finale messing with
my system.

Thanks,
Dennis




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[Finale] Glissando issues

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Finale 2014.5 Windows, but this problem has occurred in earlier versions.
Using Garritan via Aria player (to get convolution plugin and other controls).

Slow glissandi sometimes work, sometimes don't (the first note isn't played,
and so neither is the second note). Subsequent notes on that instrument may or
may not work at all (gliss or not). Sometimes notes many measures later (after
rests) in the same instrument simply won't play if a glissando has preceded
it. Sometimes tied notes later on (after rests) will "untie" and no notes will
play. This all depends on where I start playing. If I start at a measure after
the glissandi, all the notes play correctly. If I start before them, various
notes fail.

It's hard to give a better description of this. Anybody have an idea about
this failure and how to make glissandi work every time?

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Cannot find files within Finale

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, April 30, 2017 8:54 am, David H. Bailey wrote:
> There is a setting in Windows Explorer (which is where programs get the
> info for their file open/save dialogs) to show or hide system folders
> and files.  This can be changed so that they can be seen.

This does NOT work for these files. The system32 directory seems to be
unusually privileged so that Finale files (and perhaps other user data files)
cannot be seen there inside the usual explorer window. The first time I
encountered it, I opened explorer (which is set to show everything) and the
files were absent from system32.

These files DO appear in the open dialog, however, where drag-and-drop is
normal. They also DO appear in the command window.

I've yet to figure out this behavior, which in my experience has only happened
with Finale's recent versions.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Cannot find files within Finale

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, April 30, 2017 6:37 am, Michael Lawlor wrote:
> [2014.5]
>
> I have a folder that I can see from Windows Explorer and can select
> files and they open in Finale.  However, within Finale, if I try to open
> a file, the folder is invisible.  Are there parameters I may have
> inadvertently set that is causing this?

Windows?

Occasionally when I'm using Finale 2014.5, it quietly switches the file saving
to the /windows/system32 folder, where Finale can open them but they can't
otherwise be seen. (None of my default folders are set to this, so I'm not
sure why it happens.)

I've found the only way to fix this (aside from being careful that Finale
doesn't do this to you in the first place) is to, during the open dialog, drag
the files elsewhere.

Dennis


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[Finale] "back-curve" slur thickness (repost)

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Reposting this as I saw no responses and wondered if it was missed, or there
wasn't any way to accomplish slurs that didn't thin in the middle when they
curved backwards.


Hi all,

Finale 2014.5 Windows.

A client wants the 'backwards curve' of a slur also to increase in thickness,
as if it were continuing forward. Finale shrinks the thickness of the slur as
it moves backwards.



There doesn't seem to be a way to change this in the dialog.

Also, the number of control points has remained the same, and this client
would like flat slurs. Has Finale 25 improved this?

Thanks!

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Custom Drum Maps

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, April 26, 2017 7:10 am, David H. Bailey wrote:
> This is just another reason that percussion remains a huge black hole
> for most Finale users

I have *never* cracked this. The old maps worked as long as you didn't need
anything outside General MIDI percussion, but they worked out of the box.

But I gave up when VSTs were provided. The default audio output was either
silent or unrelated to what was listed. Transposition is disabled (I often
want to move one instrument into another position). Converting old scores was
even worse, with notes splattered everywhere with endless ledger lines.

I simply couldn't figure it out. There was somebody's external tutorial that
made it worse. I've never gotten Finale to output the sounds I ask for -- and
seriously, I've worked with MIDI since the hardware days of the early 1980s.
I've developed sets of SoundFonts, have extensive audio sample libraries, etc.

But with Finale, the lightbulb has never come on for assigning the sound I
want to output. Finale is the only sequencer that makes no sense to me.

It would be really great if Finale shipped with default percussion output that
automatically matched the VSTs provided, or, even better, if they would switch
to the system other programs use: drag this sound from this library and drop
it on this line or space. Done.

Dennis


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[Finale] "back-curve" slur thickness

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Finale 2014.5 Windows.

A client wants the 'backwards curve' of a slur also to increase in thickness,
as if it were continuing forward. Finale shrinks the thickness of the slur as
it moves backwards.



There doesn't seem to be a way to change this in the dialog.

Also, the number of control points has remained the same, and this client
would like flat slurs. Has Finale 25 improved this?

Thanks!

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Export graphic as PDF

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, February 21, 2017 1:42 pm, Christopher Smith wrote:
> Maybe PRINTING the entire document to PDF, then editing the PDF afterward? I
> can do that with the included app Preview on Mac. Is there a PDF editor
> commonly available on Windows?

No. Software is available for a price, of course. :)

(But Johannes is on Mac anyway.)

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Export graphic as PDF

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, February 21, 2017 10:45 am, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
> No, still no graphic in the exported PDF. Perhaps a bug in Fin25? For
> now I can work with TIFF export.
> Just for the details: the graphic placed was a TIFF. I am on Mac Fin25
> (newest).

Just FYI, 2014.5/Win10 also works with TIFF. Just tried. (I installed Fin25,
but never bought it, so the export is disabled.)

Dennis






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Re: [Finale] Export graphic as PDF

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, February 21, 2017 9:28 am, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
> Is it true that placed graphics do not get exported in PDF, when
> exporting selection as graphic file? It seems to work in TIFFs, but not
> in PDFs.

Finale 2014.5, Windows 10.

Place graphic (I placed a JPG).

Marquee selection.

Export -> Selection, PDF.

Graphic DOES get exported with the selection.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Break stem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, February 19, 2017 2:51 pm, Barbara Touburg wrote:
> On 19-2-2017 20:31, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>> Shape designer came up with the character (staff + rest + opaque block)
>> except
>> that the staff lines character doesn't line up with the staff lines,
>> probably
>> because I've set the staff line thickness different from the default.
>
> Then you need to look in the document settings, lines and curves, to see
> your staff line settings. I think you are using 3.5. Draw lines in the
> shape designer of that thickness and place them on the background.

I'm in the habit of changing my lines and curves as projects move forward to
improve the overall look, so that won't work. Back to the music layer kludge
 SO wish we had graphics layers for every object (at the least, bring to
front / bring forward / send backward / send to back).

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Break stem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, February 19, 2017 2:09 pm, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> Maybe jef has some magic formula for getting those staff lines to appear
> (other than shape designer, which I'm heading for next).

Shape designer came up with the character (staff + rest + opaque block) except
that the staff lines character doesn't line up with the staff lines, probably
because I've set the staff line thickness different from the default.

<http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/opaque-rest-shape-designer.jpg>

I am now officially giving up and going back to the layer kludge.

Thanks to everyone for the ideas!

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Break stem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, February 19, 2017 2:02 pm, Robert Patterson wrote:
> Yeah, this is yet one more example of how the confiscation of note-attached
> expressions damaged the product.
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, February 19, 2017 1:33 pm, Robert Patterson wrote:
>> > One option would be to overlay the rest expression with a staff lines
>> > expression from a music font that includes staff lines. (Like Sonata.)
>>
>> I had tried that, but unless there's some kind of order of entry I'm not
>> following, the staff lines expression is still blocked out by the opaque
>> rest
>> expression. I know Finale has some kind of pseudo-layers, but I'm
>> apparently
>> not engaging them.

I also tried using tracking, with the rest and the staff in the expression
dialog. That works great in overlapping the rest and staff (with -750 evpus),
but then I have to use baseline shift to place the rest correctly.
Unfortunately, baseline shift seems to wipe out any effect of the tracking
setting.

Maybe jef has some magic formula for getting those staff lines to appear
(other than shape designer, which I'm heading for next).

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Break stem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, February 19, 2017 1:33 pm, Robert Patterson wrote:
> One option would be to overlay the rest expression with a staff lines
> expression from a music font that includes staff lines. (Like Sonata.)

I had tried that, but unless there's some kind of order of entry I'm not
following, the staff lines expression is still blocked out by the opaque rest
expression. I know Finale has some kind of pseudo-layers, but I'm apparently
not engaging them.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Break stem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, February 19, 2017 11:58 am, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> add staff lines on top of your opaque square ;-) (same trick i use for time
> sig denominators like 6, 10, 12...)

Are you in shape designer (which I use for irregular time sigs)? Or am I
missing an 'add staff lines' option in the expression shape dialog?

Dennis








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Re: [Finale] Break stem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, February 19, 2017 8:31 am, David H. Bailey wrote:
> Wow!  No, sorry, I don't have a better way.  And I am sorry that you
> have such a finicky client.  I do hope you're billing by the hour and
> not by the frame or the item.

A very serious error in observation on my part. I usually quote a large job by
looking at the score, and only by hour on short(ish) pieces that require a new
setup, etc. This is the third score I've done for this composer -- and it has
been a disaster. The working score was a photocopy of a photocopy of a pencil
manuscript (the original was lost in a fire). That was hard enough, but I
didn't realize that the composer was going to insist on every non-standard and
difficult action that have no purpose other than that tiring 1970s-style
cleverness (like those notes that cross staves, a behavior which occupies
about 90% of the score).

My income has been less than minimum wage on this, and it's still not done. :(
 Fortunately, I have given up client engraving, and this is my last leftover
score.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Break stem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

I figured out a visual way to break the stem at the rest.

Above rest: add a note and change the notehead to a blank. Remove the
remaining notes that extend below the rest. The stem remains.
Below rest: remove the notes and add the notes in a different layer as a
quarter note. Move the quarter note below the rest and change its stem length.

Still cleanup to do in this measure, and seven more measures of it to go with
even more rests:


Awful solution. Anybody have a better way?

Dennis




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[Finale] Break stem

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Finale 2014.5, Windows 10

Any idea how to break a stem?

Client wants a stem to pass through a rest (8th, 16th, 32nd), visually
breaking the stem as it does so.

I've tried creating a rest character with an opaque background, but it also
obscures the staff lines.

Thanks,
Dennis

PS: If any masochist wants to take this project over from me, please email.
It's 4 pianos, 90 pages, 11x17 landscape, with tons of little adjustments and
changes because the composer's notation is idiosyncratic and often wrong, and
he refuses to change it. There's some money left on the composer's tab.

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Re: [Finale] Copying overfilled measures

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, February 2, 2017 7:51 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> and notation/convert mirrors as needed
> mirror tool :-)

Got it. All the copying of layers has to be done *before* converting the
mirrors. Apparently it won't mirror to measures that aren't empty.

But it still needs to be done is small chunks of measures. Too many measures
and it blows up just like regular copying does.

Small chunks I can do!

Thanks again!

D






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Re: [Finale] Copying overfilled measures

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, February 2, 2017 7:51 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> and notation/convert mirrors as needed
>
>> mirror tool :-)
>>
>> > How do I keep Finale from rebarring these copied sections?

In 24 years I have never used the mirror tool. Thanks for the introduction!
But...

...though it does copy and convert correctly, it only does it in Layer 1. If I
switch to layer 2 and choose 'show active layer only' (in order to copy to the
next layer for the piano reduction), it won't drag and mirror. Nothing happens
at all. Even if I turn off 'show active layer only', nothing happens. If I
drag to another staff it's fine, but I'm still seem stuck with the problem of
creating a piano reduction of these overfilled measures.

Anything else possible?

Dennis




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[Finale] Copying overfilled measures

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

There was a solution to this, I think, but I can't remember it.

I have a score with a number of 'overfilled' measures (invisible barlines,
notes that rhythmically overlap -- for example, a whole note on the last
quarter note, and the next bar with three hidden quarter-note rests). These
overfilled measures are different from part to part.

What I'm doing is creating a piano reduction, and to do that I need to copy
the measures exactly to staves below. (I'll later use layer visibility to
merge two sets of notes onto one staff -- but I haven't gotten that far yet!)

When these measures are copied (either dragged or CTL-C/CTL-V), they shift the
entire score to the right by the amount of the overfilled measures.

I've tried using the Edit Filter with all bar features turned off. The
Patterson mass-copy plugin doesn't copy the notes.

How do I keep Finale from rebarring these copied sections?

Thanks,
Dennis



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Re: [Finale] quarter-tone symbols

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, January 29, 2017 6:09 pm, Aaron Rabushka wrote:
> Which fonts have full sets of quarter-tone symbols?

Christian Texier had a very good set of free fonts ("Tempera" -- also
"Controla", "Sonora", "Acoustica", "Concreta" and "Electrona"). I don't find
his website anymore, though. If you want them, I can send you a set. TTF,
though.

Dennis


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[Finale] Audio stutter plus Re: Stopped saving audio

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, January 22, 2017 2:49 pm, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
> I had the same problem with a string orchestra piece; fortunately, it was
> divided in three movements so, in my case, three chunks where easy enough to
> obtain. Exporting (with HP) from each single movement had then no issues, and
> I remember spending time trying to identify those articulations or other signs
> that would have negatively affected the audio playback. The fact the file was
> a "long" one was then to be the cause of the issue: how long and what
> practical problems where to be the real cause remained and still remain a
> mystery. Nevertheless, the major problems I encountered with long files is
> more related with lyrics, messing up and disappearing here and there, but
> that's another story...

Thanks for the confirmation of the issue. I now have a composing version of
the current part of the piece and a full version (where I paste into place
each new portion).

To create playback versions, I split in half the full version after edits are
made, and save the audio.

Now one MORE question on audio. Is this a known issue? In places with long
tuplet notes (such as 2 whole in a bar of 9/4), the long notes begin to
stutter and disappear, coming back only with a new phrase after a rest. The
upper parts sometimes overlap the (invisible) barlines, and also have many
tuplets and removed stems to create a melisma. This is in playback and saved
audio.

Heading off for a long teaching day, so will check back tonight if anyone has
advice.

Dennis






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Re: [Finale] Stopped saving audio

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Thanks, Christopher. I checked the old Finale forums, and found only mention
of it (right up until the end of the forums) but no solutions.

It's the first time I remember encountering it myself (which means little,
since I'm old enough to forget most things), but long pieces have previously
exported just fine -- a massive 40-minute orchestral piece with simultaneous
time sigs, etc., for example, didn't fight back.

This score was fine up to measure #627. Export broke when I added new music
(and measure stacks) up to #660.

Dennis


On Sun, January 22, 2017 12:43 am, Christopher Smith wrote:
> I hope somebody remembers what it was that stopped audio exportation. I think
> I remember reading about it on the now-defunct Finale Forum. It can be
> searched, but only by using Google (there’s a sticky explaining how if you
> don’t know how to specify a site search).
>
> Christopher
>
>
>> On Sat Jan 21, at SaturdayJan 21 11:55 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
>> <bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, January 21, 2017 11:49 pm, Christopher Smith wrote:
>>> Hmm, I’ve heard of this before. Can you find 73% of the way through the
>>> piece
>>> and see what is in the score? I’ve heard things like fermatas might stop
>>> audio
>>> export, or caesuras. There might be something else, and in combination with
>>> other factors like two fermatas, one in each layer on one staff.
>>>
>>> I’m almost certain this is findable. What did you change between the last
>>> time
>>> it played back properly and now?
>>
>> 73% is as far as it reports during playback, too, but that works fine.
>>
>> I changed nothing -- I only added to the score. If I make a separate copy
>> and
>> delete the first half of the piece, it saves the second half fine.
>>
>> Forgot to mention it's a Human Playback issue (and I need HP). This is a bug
>> that's been around since Human Playback was introduced, but I thought it had
>> been squashed by now.
>>
>> So something cumulative is killing HP's ability to save. Unless there's a
>> solution somebody knows about, then my options are to record the output
>> while
>> playing, or to create a file in two halves for saving.
>>
>> Neither as good as a bug that's fixed. :)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Dennis
>>
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Re: [Finale] Stopped saving audio

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sat, January 21, 2017 11:49 pm, Christopher Smith wrote:
> Hmm, I’ve heard of this before. Can you find 73% of the way through the piece
> and see what is in the score? I’ve heard things like fermatas might stop audio
> export, or caesuras. There might be something else, and in combination with
> other factors like two fermatas, one in each layer on one staff.
>
> I’m almost certain this is findable. What did you change between the last time
> it played back properly and now?

73% is as far as it reports during playback, too, but that works fine.

I changed nothing -- I only added to the score. If I make a separate copy and
delete the first half of the piece, it saves the second half fine.

Forgot to mention it's a Human Playback issue (and I need HP). This is a bug
that's been around since Human Playback was introduced, but I thought it had
been squashed by now.

So something cumulative is killing HP's ability to save. Unless there's a
solution somebody knows about, then my options are to record the output while
playing, or to create a file in two halves for saving.

Neither as good as a bug that's fixed. :)

Thanks!

Dennis


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[Finale] Stopped saving audio

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Win10 Pro 64-bit, Finale 2014.5.

I've been working on a piece, and suddenly Finale is unable to export audio.
The piece is 46 minutes, and up until about 45 minutes previous files exported
fine. It will play back to the end, but not export.

When I export audio, the box comes up indicating 'processing'. It gets to 73%
(hairpins) and the box closes. One of the CPUs is at nearly 100%, the same it
presents when playing the file. The internal playback process is stuck
somewhere because I've left it for an hour just to see, and it acts as if it's
in playback mode (stop button active). A file is created with an empty RIFF
wave (RIFF$   WAVEfmt    
  D¬  ±   data).

Yes, I've restarted Finale, rebooted the computer, and gone back to previous
files that do save.

Any idea how to get audio export back? Is there an upper limit (maybe 45
minutes)?

Thanks,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Grey rectangles appear

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, January 17, 2017 12:45 pm, S Jones wrote:
> Those are hidden playback notes for the trolls you added.
>
> It's all in layer 4. There is a setting that will turn off show hidden
> notes.

Thanks to you and Christopher. I don't know why they appeared suddenly. I only
use playback for proofing, and didn't commit the playback to the file.

Next time it happens I'll check to see if I invoked anything that made them
stick, and then delete Layer 4.

Dennis


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[Finale] Grey rectangles appear

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

I'm working on a score, and suddenly all places (and only places) with
tremolo/roll articulations had fuzzy grey rectangles superimposed on the
measures.

Data check didn't fix them, nor removing and replacing the tremolo symbol.



When I viewed the area at 800%, I found that Finale had created a mass of
hidden 128th notes in any measure with a tremolo/roll.



Fortunately I save my work under a new name every few minutes, so I only had
to rebuild a few measures.

Any ideas what this is -- and if it appears again, how to get rid of it
without going to older backups?

Thanks,
Dennis



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Re: [Finale] How to eliminate parens in continuation of 8va

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, January 3, 2017 3:45 pm, Ryan Beard wrote:
> Smart Shape dialogue. Select the 8va line and edit it.
> In Left Continuation, edit that text to remove the parentheses. This will
> change all instances in the current document.

Where are you seeing this? I have smart shape options for 8 and 15
(where I got rid of the va and vb), but it has no continuation options. And 
8 and 15 aren't in the custom line dialogs. (Finale 2014.5)

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] How to eliminate parens in continuation of 8va

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, January 3, 2017 3:31 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> I have a custom 8va Smart Shape (one of Bill Duncan’s) that allows me to edit
> out the parentheses.  If you can tell me how to send this custom shape, I can
> edit it to your needs (and create an 8vb one).  Hope this swill help.

Chuck,

His are just "8-" and "15-" (above or below). The font is
Revere (my revised version for Finale).

I thought of a custom shape, but it still means replacing them all. Guess I'm
gonna have to do that anyway.

Convincing him he's wrong? Oh, man, I have SO many places in this score where
I wish I could do that... he wants "wraparound" slurs, too, with flat tops
(from bass clef, wrapping up around treble clef, and back to bass clef --
kinda looking like a chef's toque). That's so far totally out of the question
-- too few nodes on Finale slurs. And huge columns of stems that go from 15vb
to 15ma. And completely phrased-based note values -- parens are beams:
q••,e•,e•,e•,(16•,16•),(16,16+16•,16),16•,(16•+16),(16,16•,16•) against
q,(e•,16),(e,e),(16,e,16),(16,32,16,32),(32,32,e,32,32),(32,16•),(16,32,32),(32,32,16),(32,32,16).
 And, and, and... MY LAST CLIENT.

Dennis


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[Finale] How to eliminate parens in continuation of 8va

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

A client has decided he wants all the parentheses removed from 8va and 8vb
continuations (where the shape goes onto the next page). It happens a lot. I
don't seem to find either a smart shape option or other native way or plugin
to do this without re-entering each 8va and 8vb separately on each page.

Anybody?

Thanks,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Filling a 5/4 bar with one note

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, December 20, 2016 10:33 am, SN jef chippewa wrote:
>
>>I¹m attracted by the idea of a symbol that would fill *any* bar.
>
> like a whole rest? :P

A whole note with a short right-pointing arrow, since that's already used for
continuation?


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Re: [Finale] finale development team - time spent...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Keeping this!

On Fri, December 9, 2016 6:08 am, David H. Bailey wrote:
> I can foresee the following dialog:
> Sideman (as the rehearsal grinds to a halt when he stops playing):
> What's this f-ing heart doing over the first note in measure 30?
> Leader: It means you're supposed to love that note.
> S: Huh?  But I hate the whole song, how the hell could I "love" a single
> note in it?
> L: Play it as if it's your favorite note.
> S: Like I'm supposed to like one note out of the whole stupid song?
> L: No, not "like" -- it's telling you to "love" the note.
> S:  Oh, like I can't stand being around my mother for more than 20
> minutes and don't really like her, but I still love her anyway because
> she's my mother?  That won't sound very good.
> L: No.  More like you've just met this gorgeous woman who doesn't mind
> hanging around musicians and she wants to go home with you after the gig.
> S: Oh I get it, play it as if I'm going to have sex with it.
> L: Well not really, more like you've just found your soul mate.
> S: So I'm supposed to marry the f-ing A-flat?
> L: Forget it, just ignore it.  Let's start over?
> Other Sideman:  What does this thing mean over my C in measure 15?
> L: That means it might be a typo.
> O.S.: You mean they actually printed the music knowing there was a note
> that might be a typo but they're not sure?  What should I do?  Play it
> or not?
> L (throwing score on the floor): Let's just scrap this whole piece
> altogether and take out "Mood Indigo."


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Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, December 8, 2016 6:00 am, David H. Bailey wrote:
> But putting
> aside those of us on this list, how would a composer indicate in a
> printed score, without using accent marks which would likely produce
> more emphasis than desired, that with a 6/4 meter the emphasis should be
> 1, 3, 5 so that a performer far removed from this discussion or removed
> even from this time (for example finding the score 50 years from now and
> choosing to perform it) would understand how the music should sound?

I wonder how applicable this pulse division is today? If bar demarcations are
moving regularly among 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, etc., then the expectation of 6/4 as
2/q• or 6/8 as 2/e• vanishes, doesn't it?

If the score is a little more old school and only using /4 divisions, then
maybe the confusion is present, and the q=q note is worth noting.

Though I've seen it done, alternating notations of 4/4 and 3/2 while keeping
the quarter-note pulse the same never made sense to me. I would be expecting
the conductor to switch to /2 pulses.

I think the /8 triple divisions (3, 6, 9, 12 and 15) have always been a
special case.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Adding new staff/instrument without affecting existing layout

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Mon, November 28, 2016 9:59 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
> It seems like I had figured out a way to add a staff to an existing
> document without affecting any existing systems. However, when I do it
> using either double-click in the Staff Tool or Add Instrument in the Score
> Manager, it adds the new staff to every system and staff set. Does anyone
> know a way to not have this happen?

I just tried this. Maybe you did this already. Finale 2014.5, Windows.

I double-clicked in scroll view to add a new staff AT THE BOTTOM. I switched
to page view (where I have no auto-updating of anything) and the news staff
was off the page as expected.

I selected that staff by clicking to the left of it, then 'hide'. All of the
new staff occurrences disappeared.

Next I switched to the selection tool, and selected all the measure stacks on
one page by double-clicking the first measure and shift-clicking the last
measure. Then I switched to the staff tool and 'unhide'.

The new staff reappeared on just that page, at the bottom.

Then I chose 'reorder staves' and moved it up.

The rest of the score remained unaffected.

Does that do what you want?

Dennis







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Re: [Finale] Hairpins: cresc. dal niente; dim. al niente

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

This. This. This! Thanks so much ... can't wait to put it to work!

Dennis


On Tue, November 15, 2016 11:08 am, Jan Angermüller wrote:
> Here is a demo video of what my Perfect Layout plugin does to create
> niente hairpins in Finale.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNYfVVNnYgw
>
> Any niente "o" symbol is recognized as the full music font database is
> included with support of more than 400 music fonts (and text fonts of
> course).
> The symbol is then visually connected to the hairpin.
> Also the hairpins and dynamics are automatically vertically and
> horizontally optimized.
> The plugin is called with its default settings and performs all
> optimizations tasks listed in https://elbsound.studio/perfect_layout.php .
> It will be available when the JW Lua plugin engine has received at least
> one more update from Jari.
>
> Jan Angermueller
> https://elbsound.studio

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Re: [Finale] Hairpins: cresc. dal niente; dim. al niente

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, November 13, 2016 10:20 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
>> I wish that, once overruled by hand-adjustment, it would no
> longer search for the nearest beat.
>
> Try Preferences->Edit->Anchor Indicator Lines...


That only changes the rubber bands. I mean the *shape* won't hold its position
or refuses to move as requested. It prefers to go to a beat position. This
only happens in unusual time signatures or independent time signatures. But
it's a real bear because there are times when the hairpin simply can't be
positioned *at all* on a given staff -- it's always overruled.

Dennis





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Re: [Finale] Hairpins: cresc. dal niente; dim. al niente

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, November 13, 2016 9:28 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
> I have often wished for a "cresc" or "dim" line option in custom lines, but
> alas it doesn't exist. That said, what you want to do is *much* more
> reliable starting in Fin14 due to the beat attachment of hairpins.

This is buggy in anything but standard time signatures. I've had to attach
hairpins to different lines so they wouldn't re-attach themselves to a beat
that I don't want. Same goes for text expressions. I love the 'rubber band'
attachment, but I wish that, once overruled by hand-adjustment, it would no
longer search for the nearest beat.

> You can get fine control over horizontal (and vertical) placement using the
> Expression Alignment dialog box for the expression and my Smart Shape
> Editor plugin for the hairpins.

I haven't tried that -- maybe it will fix the bugs in attachment. I will give
it a try.

Thanks,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Hairpins: cresc. dal niente; dim. al niente

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, November 13, 2016 8:35 am, Steve Parker wrote:
> My dodgy method is to use a diminished chord symbol sign on the end of a smart
> hairpin. Slightly better tendency to stay put once dragged..

Is this different from the harmonic circle that I use? And why would it more
likely stay in place? The problem is that the horizontal placement changes
from page view to printed result.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Hairpins: cresc. dal niente; dim. al niente

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, November 13, 2016 7:26 am, Michael Lawlor wrote:
> [Finale 2014.5]
>
> I would like to use hairpins with circles at the end, a standard
> notational element in modern music for cresc. from silence and dim. to
> silence.  Is this possible in Finale?  I have found some old discussions
> about creating expressions, but they cannot be stretched and look
> amateur.  Has a proper, professional solution been devised yet?  It
> ought to be easy, since it is a simple extension of the existing smart
> shapes

Unless I'm missing something, I have never had luck with these. I have tried
creating stretchable shapes as well as using standard hairpins and placing the
circle. The stretchable ones don't stay attached to the circle. And the
standard ones all have to be tweaked in page view in huge magnification --
otherwise they don't end up with the circle in the right place in the final
PDFs.

Any more automated solution is welcome here, too!

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] large ensemble balances

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sat, November 12, 2016 9:52 am, David Froom wrote:
> It seems that using any of the mixers (studio view, mixer view, or Garriton
> Aria player view) is of minimal use, as those volumes get overridden by score
> markings.

You didn't mention the Score Manager. I set all my volumes and pans there, and
that seems to work -- things like alto flute seem loud, but regular flute
doesn't. The initial samples definitely seem to be at unrealistic volumes, but
adjusting those in Score Manager appears to tame them for me. And, of course,
using the pan controls is really important to make some sense of the
soundstage you're making. I never use any of the other views, and balances are
not bad. I suppose it depends on how much accurate detail you want in your
demo.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Feathered beam question

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Fri, November 4, 2016 10:16 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
>
> flip the group (and redo feathering)?

Thanks so much! That did it. I created the group in the upper clef in layer 2
and dragged the notes downward. That kept the stems attached to the correct
beam so they moved with it.

Dennis


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[Finale] Feathered beam question

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Finale 2014.5, Windows 10.

Regarding this image:
 

The feathered beam leaves stems behind when the last note is in the upper clef.

I've tried what I can think of, including the beam stem adjustment tool (which
moves the stems away from the bottom beam, but leaves those upper stem bits
sitting there).

Is there some way of getting rid of those stems? Other than an opaque shape?

Thanks,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Dorico?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

David,

Thanks for the info -- though as you might expect, I don't find this
comforting. I have Finale's dual-install option (one desktop, one laptop) not
only for emergencies, but also when I'm on the road, including teaching.
That's where the Steinberg tether collapses for me. No way I'm carrying around
a precious dongle, which is required to make Dorico portable. These things
disappear in seconds in a school situation, "just because". I've even had my
flexible rollup keyboard stolen -- from my shared office.

So two installs are pretty much essential. I can accept activation (though I
prefer to know that there's an escrowed key system outside a manufacturer's
control), but never Steinberg's level of tether. No product can be *that*
good.

Finale it is for now!

Dennis


On Tue, October 25, 2016 9:45 am, David H. Bailey wrote:
> I had an emergency over the weekend which both proves and disproves
> Dennis's worries.
>
> My motherboard and main hard-drive crashed so I lost my e-licenser and
> had to reinstall it.  That program is the one that Steinberg uses for
> anti-piracy protection for all its programs.  When I reinstalled the
> e-licenser program it generated a new serial number for itself based on
> my current motherboard (and not the hard drive).  So I was up the
> proverbial creek regarding using Dorico and any other Steinberg products
> (I have WaveLab and Cubase Elements 8).
>
> I did submit a support case report to Steinberg yesterday morning but I
> hadn't heard anything from them by this morning so I posted a "help"
> message on the Dorico forum at steinberg.net.  I got an instant reply
> which asked whether I had tried the reactivation available through my
> account at Steinberg.  I hadn't, so I tried it.
>
> It took all of about 30 seconds to reactivate all my Steinberg products
> on my computer with the new motherboard and new e-licenser installation,
> once I knew what to do.  I simply clicked the "reactivate" button next
> to the appropriate product, entered the serial number from the new
> e-licenser installation and immediately I had a new activation code I
> could copy/paste into the e-licenser, then click the "get license"
> button and the product was activated.
>
> It's taken me much longer to type this than it took to reactivate all
> three software products.   If I had known this, I could have been using
> Dorico again Saturday evening once I had rebuilt my computer with the
> new motherboard.
>
> All this is without the dongle, in software on this computer.  And
> should I want to move to another computer, I can simply install the
> e-licenser there, get the new serial number and reactivate the software.
>So it can be a back-and-forth process as often as I would like, since
> activating a product in a new e-licenser installation de-activates it in
> the old e-licenser installation.
>
> But since I only have one computer I'll be using Dorico on at the
> moment, it's not an issue for me.  Were I to have two computers which I
> wanted to work with Dorico on I'd simply invest in the dongle and move
> that between the computers.
>
> Now all I'm left with from the disaster is trying to get my ewql
> libraries reactivated.  That, I'm afraid, seems as if it will take a lot
> longer (if ever).  But since this is the first computer I've had that
> could actually make good use of these ewql libraries, I don't have any
> projects which rely on them so if it takes a while it's no big deal.
>
> It was very easy getting a new activation from both Sibelius and Finale
> so I can continue to use them on my laptop as well as my new desktop.
>
> So the software protection aspect of Dorico really isn't a big deal.
>
> David H. Bailey
>
>
>
> On 10/22/2016 7:58 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>> Just a warning that Dorico uses Steinberg's awful protection system: either
>> a
>> hardware dongle or a dongle-free download option that allows only one
>> install.
>>
>> I will never put my work into the hands of this kind of system. I've watched
>> others with dongles see deadlines pass waiting for a replacement for a
>> failed
>> dongle. And even the dongle-free system, without a second install, means any
>> failure that requires using a backup computer is impossible.
>>
>> I know some people have accepted this kind of corporate control of their
>> work,
>> but I'm not one of them. I've campaigned against this nonsense for years.
>> I'm
>> sorry Dorico is infected with it, because it appears that otherwise I'd try
>> using it.
>>
>> I'll stay with Finale's dongle-free, two-computer authorization.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> Two of my old pieces on protection:
>> 2003: <http://maltedmedia.com/books/papers/sm-copyp.html>
>> 1997: <http://maltedmedia.com/books/papers/s8-music.html>
>>

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Re: [Finale] Dorico?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Just a warning that Dorico uses Steinberg's awful protection system: either a
hardware dongle or a dongle-free download option that allows only one install.

I will never put my work into the hands of this kind of system. I've watched
others with dongles see deadlines pass waiting for a replacement for a failed
dongle. And even the dongle-free system, without a second install, means any
failure that requires using a backup computer is impossible.

I know some people have accepted this kind of corporate control of their work,
but I'm not one of them. I've campaigned against this nonsense for years. I'm
sorry Dorico is infected with it, because it appears that otherwise I'd try
using it.

I'll stay with Finale's dongle-free, two-computer authorization.

Dennis

Two of my old pieces on protection:
2003: 
1997: 


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Re: [Finale] delay when accessing font dialog

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, October 2, 2016 5:42 pm, g5gb sge5 wrote:
> Lately, I've been experiencing a 10 to 15 second or so delay anytime I
> access any dialog that has to do with setting a font. So something seems to
> be struggling with the loading of the fonts.
>
> There is also a long delay on initial Finale startup which may or may not
> be related.

I didn't see any other responses. You're on Finale 2008. Finale would really
choke if you had lots of fonts installed. That's still the case (I'm on
2014.5), and almost as bad (hard to tell as I have a faster computer). It's
like Finale goes through the whole font list every time you type a letter.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Silent Playback

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, September 25, 2016 9:23 am, Michael Dutka wrote:
> Rudimentary user here, but when I have this problem, often a simple fixes
> it. Assume you've done that, turned any interfaces you have off and then on
> again?

For me, Finale playback goes silent every time I export audio (and the
exported audio is fine), requiring a Finale restart. It might go back to a
problem someone else was having -- that Finale's playback engine defaults to a
specific setting different from my system default. Since other audio programs
work fine while Finale is running, it seems to point to Finale as the culprit.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] SILENT PLAYBACK

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sat, September 24, 2016 1:42 am, Linda Worsley wrote:
> Yesterday all the scores I was working on were playing back both in
> the playback window and with the shift click method.  Tonight NONE of
> them are playing back.  I have no idea where to even star.  The sound
> is up on the computer and I'm hearing everything else.  Have I hit a
> wrong button somewhere?  I'm just playing back the instruments that
> exist in Finale-- I use playback to check my work, not to make
> recordings... I just want to hear what I've entered and play back
> sections to check them.

Not an answer for you, but there's something up with playback in this version.
I'm having a playback problem on 2014.5 Windows, too. It works fine until I
export an audio file. Then, to get sound again, I have to restart Finale.

Dennis



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Re: [Finale] Fatal error in all Finale versions

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, September 7, 2016 12:21 pm, Howey, Henry wrote:
> I have had this before, and MM will neither own it or even try to find a fix.
>
> If one updates the soundcard drivers, Finale will freeze and even shut down
> the entire box. Windoze only.
>
> Has anyone else a fix for this?

I haven't seen your problem, but I have a different (new) problem with the
audio (F2014.5/Win10). After exporting an audio file, Finale will no longer
play audio (no audio on Speedy entry and no playback, including no cursor
movement). Resetting the Midi driver has no effect. I have to restart the
program to restore audio. Since I'm doing dozens of very short demo bits in a
row (enter, print, export audio), this is pretty annoying.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, September 4, 2016 5:45 am, David H. Bailey wrote:
> I just ran an experiment -- started with a full orchestra score, then
> for a few measures in the contrabassoon part I tried a change to
> contrabass flute -- no change appeared whatsoever.  But when I tried a
> change to bass flute the double barliness appeared (don't know why an
> instrument change in one part should trigger double barlines for the
> whole score) and the clef changed to treble clef just as it should.

Yes, the bass flute works (no double barlines here, though; probably in the
preferences somewhere), but the contrabass flute apparently doesn't exist
except as a name in the list.

> So there's clearly a problem with the instrument definition list, but
> when I opened it (using a program which can display both hexadecimal and
> ascii) I see no way to change the entry for contrabass flute to make it
> work properly.

Don't know where this list is. Is this the SQLite database file that jef
mentioned? Finale.instruments or GIFF.Soundmap? One more list. Never mind.

> So my suggestion is for you to make the music appear as you wish (use
> bass flute since the program can work with that) and if playback is
> important then export it as midi file to open in a sequencer and then
> edit the midi data for that section so that the contrabass will play
> back (if you have a sound library which actually has a contrabass flute
> patch) with the correct sound at the correct pitch.

The Olde Way.

Thanks!

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, September 4, 2016 6:46 am, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> somewhere deep within your computer there is a database with
> instruments that can only be edited -- as i recall -- with a
> programme that can write/read mysql... or something like that.  i
> don't recommend it, but have edited it in the past for my own needs.

It used to be an extensive XML file. I edited it to add an alto flute back
when there wasn't one available. It required creating a custom soundfont (sfz)
file for the instrument (I have an soundfont editor, and based it on a
standard flute).

Now it's GIFFinstruments.txt (user settings) combined with Instruments for
Finale.bank.xml (in the Garritan program entry) and probably other things.
Since every Finale version recreates this file, it's a pain to find and edit
these by hand.

> thought of the day -- we have it backwards: there are not finale
> workarounds, but rather finale IS a workaround for our notational
> needs. :P

Yes.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sat, September 3, 2016 4:58 pm, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya wrote:
> There seems to be a bug, also found in Fin25. The clef assignment can be
> changed (to treble clef) but playback is wrong anyway. You'll have to do it
> in the old way, with Staff Styles (and tell Makemusic too)

Unpleasant, but it displays correctly. The playback problem remains, though,
especially with instrument changes (studio view volume has no effect, either).

Also, there's no E-flat flute in the instrument list, which I just discovered
when trying to switch to it. I don't see an instrument definition list where I
can add this.

Somehow I never found value in the Score Manager. :(

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sat, September 3, 2016 3:56 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> score in C maybe?  should be correct in the part.

Score is transposed. No change takes place in score or part, transposed or
not. The part is also in bass clef.

D





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Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Sorry, forgot: Finale 2014.5, Windows 10.

On Sat, September 3, 2016 2:00 pm, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Doing a score with required demo.
>
> 1.
> What am I missing in trying to create a treble-clef-reading contrabass flute
> that plays back?
>
> When I choose "contrabass flute" in a mid-score instrument change, it renders
> it in bass clef. Contrabass flute reads treble clef.
>
> It also won't play in any clef (there's no Garritan contrabass flute). I can
> substitute contrabassoon, but that only helps playback, not display. I've
> tried a 2-octave transposition staff style using the SoftSynth, but that's
> silent and doesn't change the clef as requested (transposition, set to clef).
> Mid-score instrument change overrides staff style?
>
>
> 2.
> Volume levels of instrument changes don't seem to respect dynamic marking
> during mid-score instrument changes.


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[Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Doing a score with required demo.

1.
What am I missing in trying to create a treble-clef-reading contrabass flute
that plays back?

When I choose "contrabass flute" in a mid-score instrument change, it renders
it in bass clef. Contrabass flute reads treble clef.

It also won't play in any clef (there's no Garritan contrabass flute). I can
substitute contrabassoon, but that only helps playback, not display. I've
tried a 2-octave transposition staff style using the SoftSynth, but that's
silent and doesn't change the clef as requested (transposition, set to clef).
Mid-score instrument change overrides staff style?


2.
Volume levels of instrument changes don't seem to respect dynamic marking
during mid-score instrument changes.


Thanks,
Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Barlines through all staves

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, August 23, 2016 3:53 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> create a region with a staff group with barlines through all staves
> then selectively apply (i.e. to the RH staves of the 2nd-4th
> instruments for the measures needed) a staff style that has nothing
> other defined than "break barlines between staves".

Thanks much. That's it. Not exactly as convenient as the reverse ('create
barline between staves') but at least it only means clearing 216 staff styles.
:)

D


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[Finale] Barlines through all staves

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

I'm finishing a client's score for four pianos and he has asked that 72 of the
780 measures have a barline through all staves (to indicate section
divisions).

I don't see an easy way to create a kind of mid-page 'left barline'. Maybe
there's a plugin? FinWin 2014.5

Thanks!

Dennis







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Re: [Finale] A 'Where You At' Command?

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, August 18, 2016 9:45 pm, Michael Dutka wrote:
> The solution I had in mind is essentially a 'where you at' command, putting
> shadow dynamics in each measure and shadow bow markings on every note (or
> the first note of every set of slurred notes).

I'd love something like this -- as well as a proper status bar with all the
information displayed about any selected item(s).

Finale is terribly short on real-time information. Maybe somebody can build
'where you at' and status bar plugins.

Dennis







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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, August 16, 2016 2:57 pm, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote:
> Well.   Isn’t THIS not exciting...

> http://www.finalemusic.com/products/finale/whats-new/?utm_source=responsys_medium=email_campaign=25release_content=upgrade


I had the same reaction -- especially to the upgrade price, with no early-bird
discounts.

No news on plugins either, and I don't see any info on Speedy entry (the only
method I use).

I think I'll be skipping this version ... at least until reports are in from
victi... users. :)

Dennis





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[Finale] Rests between staves

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all.

This must be something I've forgotten. I'm sure I've done this before but
can't remember how.

I need all identical lefthand/righthand rests in a keyboard part to be
centered between the staves (that is, just one rest showing for both hands).

Thanks!
Dennis




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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.

Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows version
until version 2.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 13, 2016 11:32 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
> F14.5 opens any legacy file, including Fin09. How well the conversion works
> may depending on saves in intermediate versions, but short of possible
> Adobe PS Type 1 font encoding issues, I don't imagine Johannes will see any
> significant issues upgrading a F09 file.

I just loaded up a Finale 97 file to test. No problems at all. Fonts & such
needed updating (no more Tms Rmn or Helv), but the conversion didn't lose
anything.

Now off to find some Finale 2.2 files to test... :)

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Hiding Empty Staves

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sun, July 10, 2016 3:58 pm, Aaron Rabushka wrote:
> Is there some trick to getting the empty staves to disappear in the full
> score? I have deleted their contents many times, yet the blank staves still
> show up when I check HIDE EMPTY STAVES. I am using Finale 2014 under Windows
> 8.1.

Did you select the staves to be hidden?

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] Help needed quickly

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Mon, June 27, 2016 12:18 pm, Raymond Horton wrote:
> Hi folks, I have a massive project due Thursday, and some big problems with
> it. I know I probably should have exported this into some other program,
> but I want to keep be able to keep working on the music. It is a musical
> with pages of text interspersed between songs. my collaborator wants to
> move some of the songs, but this means I have to read a sign every page of
> text. Is there some way to delete pages of music, while at the same time
> keeping the pages of text relative to the same location?
> Right now, if I move a song to a later position in the score , the text
> stays assigned to the same page number, instead of its place in the score.

I agree with the PDF suggestion. In making various versions of larger scores,
I've used this way of re-ordering. You can even eliminate page numbers in your
Finale score, and place them in Adobe Acrobat (or other PDF creators).

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] volume drop

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Sat, April 23, 2016 1:14 pm, deanrosent...@gmail.com wrote:
> This has happened to me as well. I sent the file to tech support and they were
> able to show me how to fix it, I remember that in my case clearing the MIDI
> data didn't work. Obviously you could try reloading the instruments, but one
> other suggestion might be to export the file to .xml and then reimport it.

Remember ETF files? They were in ASCII and you could actually hunt down the
errors and fix them. Or sometimes just a save to ETF followed by open from ETF
fixed the errors. I had a huge file (some 1,100 measures) back in the 1990s
that suddenly was eating itself. I saved it as ETF, and reloading it fixed it.
I'm not sure XML is quite as reliable as ETF was in terms of saving exactly
what Finale has created.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] volume drop

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Yes, this is what I do. If it doesn't do it, then I look for expressions that
were accidentally given values. A bad habit that I have is to copy expressions
so that I don't have to hunt down font combinations, etc. -- but forget to
remove or change the playback content.

Dennis


On Sat, April 23, 2016 12:25 pm, Raymond Horton wrote:
> I run into this thing all the time. I clear the midi data, and that usually
> takes care of it. Highlight the affected passage and go to the edit menu/
> clear items, select none, then midi.
> On Apr 23, 2016 11:29 AM, "Haroldo Mauro"  wrote:
>
>> This file used to be a song lead sheet created in an old version of Finale
>> Mac, I don't remember which. After saving it as Finale 2014d, I added
>> several instruments and started arranging. Now, at a certain point, sax and
>> trumpet volume drops considerably. I have no clue of what is causing it. I
>> don't see any dynamics indication anywhere in the score, nor any visible
>> MIDI editing. Any idea what could it be?
>>
>> Harold


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[Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

Here's an image comparing export-to-PDF vs. print-to-PDF.



The export has those stray "3" characters at the bottom of page 2. I can't
locate them in the Finale file. They appear to be slightly larger versions of
the "3" that I use for tuplets.

I've zoomed out in both page and scroll view to see if they were scattered
somewhere way out of view. No luck.

Any clues on how to find them? And why they might only appear in a Finale
export-to-PDF and not the print-to-PDF? They don't appear on other files that
use the same template.

Dennis


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