Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.0 in the news...
Hi, DRDOS has DPMI. I assume FD could if it doesn't. What is the exact technical reason you can't start WfW 3.11 from FreeDOS? Is it the DPMI thing or something else? I haven't looked much into this topic, but it cannot be the DPMI, as when you run WIN then Microsoft's nice extender WIN386.EXE or if you prefer VMM32.VXD (I've always loved the Win95 beta name, DOS386.EXE) starts. I guess there's a good reason why MS-DOS responds to the DOS386.EXE start broadcast (whereas FreeDOS doesn't). For what this is worth, I am able to get FreeDOS with the Q stuff to run on newer MBs - AMD 64 -that fail with DRDOS. Yes, FreeDOS is great on modern hardware. They don't like EMM386; DR or FD. Yes, I've posted at great length about this in the past. I use UMBPCI at the moment. 64 bit is a bit of a jump, but if you will settle for 32 bit - for now - I think we did most of that, it's called OS/2, Ah OK! Maybe it's time to look again at OS/2. Well, OS/2 was promoted as better DOS than DOS, but I don't think OS/2 is so well documented as to start Free-OS/2 (nice and interesting attempt if you do :)) Aitor - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
Hi, 2006/7/9, Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! 9-Июл-2006 23:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wesley Parish) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: WP What I want to ask is, has anyone approached Borland about the possibility WP of WP releasing their DOS compiler and database products as Open Source? I've I suggest, that releasing Borland _compilers_ as _open source_ (beside releasing as unpaid software) is useless - these compilers are (1) much outdated (in sense of modern language standards compatibility and supported target platforms) and contains (2) many bugs, whereas there are (3) free(dom) alternative (OpenWatcom, for example), which newer, less buggy, more standards compliant and more code-efficient. So, even if Borland releases their compilers as open source, this gives nothing useful. And even if they release compilers as free(dom) open-source, I doubt that someone (experienced) will spend they efforts to evolve them to something more modern. Database (Paradox) is another story. Well, I disagree with you for the case of TurboPascal: at least there would be ONE open source 16-bit Pascal compiler. For C/C++ I agree that we are lucky to stick to OpenWatcom. Aitor - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS, Borland's current status and Borland's DOS software
Hi Arkady, TurboPascal is by far the most used Pascal dialect, even if not standarized (and FreePascal followed the good work, much ahead of the more standard GPC). In fact, both FreePascal and Delphi has been ported to Linux (and other platforms) so that you can create platform-independent apps (or at least Borland say so, I have never tried that), so the language itself is not that platform dependent (another story are the libraries, but there's even a FreePascal's DOS unit in Linux). Well, I don't expect an spectacular evolution in any 16-bit product (except for FreeDOS), and we should be happy if OpenWatcom does not give up the 16-bit line, but back to TP, one wouldn't be locked if you come across one bug that affects you. Aitor 2006/7/9, Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! 9-Июл-2006 18:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aitor Santamarэa) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: So, even if Borland releases their compilers as open source, this gives nothing useful. And even if they release compilers as free(dom) open-source, I doubt that someone (experienced) will spend they efforts to evolve them to something more modern. AS Well, I disagree with you for the case of TurboPascal: at least there AS would be ONE open source 16-bit Pascal compiler. Issue is, that TP is a Pascal dialect, nobody (including standards) compatible and nowhere standardized. This (missing standards and compatibility with standards) is especially important, because TP is highly tied to DOS (and slightly to 16-bit Windows) platform and, thus, non-portable to newer platforms. I think, this very highly decreases perspectives of TP (_if_ it will be released as free open-source) to evolve. If you not expect evolving, then why you need sources? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Russian by UTF-8 in FreeDOS?
Hi Arkady, Here I am sending to you the links to the binary utilities, (both exec and source) with the latest versions. Both have accompaining information files. Some KEYB documentation may deem a bit incomplete, the ability for hot switching layouts and/or codepages (for example in Russian to skip from Latin to Cyrilic alphabets) (and also the support for Japanese keyboards) made things a bit more complex, and I know that the KEYB data files documentation is definitely to be improved. For the data files (that is, codepage files for DISPLAY, layout files for KEYB), I let this to Henrique, who knows better than me. Finally, I simply warn that DISPLAY 0.13 (forthcomming soon) has a hard source re-structure and some rewrite, so if you plan to read sources, I'd recommend to wait. Latest DISPLAY (currently DISPLAY.COM) 0.12: Source: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/display/disp012s.zip Binary:http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/display/disp012x.zip Latest KEYB 2.0 pre-4: Source: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kb2pre4s.zip Binary: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kb2pre4x.zip Latest KC (Keyboard Compiler) and KLIB (Keyboard librarian), to compose binary layout data files and pack them, ver 2.00: Source: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kc200s.zip Binary: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/kc200x.zip Aitor 2006/7/9, Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! 9-Июл-2006 16:15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henrique Peron) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: BTW, Henrique, may you give me links to all latest editions of these utilities and links to documentation for them (which not included into packages)? HP Links for DISPLAY, MODE and any other FreeDOS program are found at the HP FreeDOS website, as usual. :( Link to www.freedos.org is too generic. May you specify precise links to latest archives? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] web site (was: Freedos Future)
Looks good! Just a question of taste, I liked the older font better, but the rest is great! Have you tried by chance removing the underscore of links in the new version, to see how it looks like? Aitor 2006/7/24, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've been doing a little tinkering with the web site design. By the time we finally make our 1.0 release, I figured FreeDOS should have a somewhat sharper-looking web page. Bob Stammers and I have been discussing a new look off-list, and I think it's pretty much ready. If you would like a peek at the new design, it's at: http://www.freedos.org/index2.php?css=http://hallx049.oit.umn.edu/temp/fd/005.css It has a modern appearance: clean, simple. I hope it's not too boring. I'm open to final tweaks before this new version goes live, later this week. This is just the first in several goals. I also want to re-do the main page to fix two other things: 1. Clean up the linkList. At first pass, I'll need to make my best effort to organize things as best I can, and later we'll try to do a kind of card sort exercise if I can gather enough volunteers. At the least, I want to have links grouped for first-time / general users and for developers. How I order the links, I haven't decided. But I may re-use links in both sections ... that might be okay if I keep the link names the same (otherwise, it would get confusing.) I'll also rename some link text from what we have now. At a top-level, the headers will probably be grouped into two sections: Using FreeDOS link link link Developers link link link 2. Different content on the main page. For as long as I can remember, the FreeDOS front page has contained a list of news items. That was appropriate when we were a bunch of developers, but it's not helpful to users who aren't familiar with DOS. So I'll likely move the news items to a developers page, or something. The front page will be filled with a few paragraphs lifted from About, and a few paragraphs lifted from (perhaps) Download and other parts of the site. Not sure how I'll re-write that content. But the key is, everything a new user needs to know about FreeDOS should be located on the front page. -jh -- I'm sorry my president's an idiot. I didn't vote for him. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] DISPLAY 0.13b (small patch) ready
Hi all, I thereby announce DISPLAY 0.13b, a small patch over DISPLAY 0.13. Changes: - The DR-FONT bug notified by John Elliot - There was a bug with the CGA specific code - The double-SELECT bug found by John Elliot is fixed too (it was a variable announcing to hold words were they were bytes, sorry for not removing the comment!) - Some code is simplified in the PREPARE routines - The documentation for how to contribute code for other hardware is updated too, according to the changes in DISPLAY 0.13 The last documentation refers to the fact that you can now write hardware-specific codepage management routines easily. You basically write how big you need your buffer, how to select a hardwired or a software buffer, and how to read if your hardware comes in a strange format in a CPI file. The rest (commandline, buffering, hot-codepage swap, monitoring, multiplexer and [pseudo-]IOCTL,...) are generic. A popular request by many people is to have a DISPLAY /? option, but I am reluctant to do it, as there is very little more to DISPLAY.SYS, where it does not make sense. However, I maintain and document well the HELP file, so FASTHELP DISPLAY should be your friend (Oops! I should document HTML-Help too). The original location is at (or use a mirror): http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/display/dis013bx.zip (binary) http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/display/dis013bs.zip (source) Enjoy that! Aitor - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] corrupted directory sector from using SMARTDRV 6.22 with FreeDOS?
Hi Eddie, 2006/8/21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This problem occurs when using SMARTDRV.EXE (with write caching enabled) from MSDOS 6.22 with FreeDOS. Replacing either avoids the problem. Well, thanks indeed for the reports, perhaps you could tell us too if you're using EMM386/HIMEM (or give your AUTOEXEC/CONFIG). For the regular user, this is an extra advice to use LBACACHE instead of SMARTDRV :) Aitor - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Got FreeDOS installed! Now no loading?
Is the computer locked? If it isn't (i.e., you can type things, see the cursor move and see the effects of the commands you type) then it may be a problem with DISPLAY. 2006/8/26, Collin Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for the help, I was finally able to get FreeDOS installed on this computer but now when I boot up I just sort of freeze at a blank screen with a blinking cursor in the top right corner. Any idea what could cause this or how to fix it? I went into booting FreeDOS from the CD again and noticed that this time I was able to use my mouse(when installing originally I was not). I dont know if that means anything. It seems to be on my hard drive though. What might I try to find out if this is the computer itself or what? Thanks! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FD-KEYB 2.0 final ready!
Hi all, I'd like to announce the final version of FD-KEYB 2.0, thereby ending TAURUS project started long ago. Changes: - ADD: Beep support: after a wrong COMBI, or secondary buffer full - ADD: Commands 162 (beep) and 164 (toggle beep on/off) - BUG: Secondary buffer was habing problems with characters unhandled by KEYB - ADD: commandline: /B: set beep of at boot - ADD: commandline: /S: safemode (do not admit un-closed library files, forbid strings, APM and other risky commands) - BUG: command 142 empties secondary buffer too - Resident code was reviewed and cleaned Links (in home host): Bin: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/KEYB200X.ZIP Src: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/keyb/KEYB200S.ZIP Acknowledgements: MANY thanks to many people that helped out within all the projects (Matthias Paul, Axel Frinke, Jim Hall (for FreeDOS), Dietmar Höhmann, T. Kabe), and in this release, very special to Eric Auer and Henrique Peron. As I wish to embrace other FreeDOS projects, there will be a small evolution through small evolutives in the 2.X projects (leaving maybe some for the 3.X series). I just mention some of the planned changes: - A first new release with lots of many more documents - Improvements in library file manipulation (UPX support to save space) - dynamic translations (as opposed to nowadays static ones) - supplementary loadable mappings (e.g. multimedia, apm, ...) - multiple layouts in memory - accessibility options - optional ussage of XMS Aitor - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Problem with FD-KEYB 2.0 final
/NOHI. However note that it prevents if from using UMBs (XMS is never used). Aitor 2006/8/30, Bernd Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Diego Rodriguez schreef: Hi! When I try to LoadHigh FD-KEYB 2.0 final from my AUTOEXEC.BAT I get the following error: FreeCOM: XMSSwap-In: Memory allocation error Cannot terminate permanent FreeCOM instance System halted ... reboot or power off now I'm using FreeCOM version 0.84pre2 XMS_Swap [Aug 07 2006 00:05:31] and kernel build 2036 cvs [version Sep 09 2005 compiled Jul 26 2006] It works fine if I don't try to load it high from AUTOEXEC.BAT, also works fine if I run it from the command line even if I load it into UMBs using LH. This didn't happen with 2.0 pre4 version. There's some switch to prevent the data areas (keyb files) being loaded high. Can't remember what it is, but seen the error before. -- Efficiency is intelligent lazyness - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FD-KEYB 2.0 final ready!
Hello Johnson, Thanks for your wishes! In this case it wouldn't make too much sense to clone 100%, first because MS-KEYBOARD.SYS is complex and contains code, and even if it was just data for KEYB, I would have to update it with every new country: this way each user can make their own keyboard. Thanks, Aitor 2006/8/30, Johnson Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:33:55 +0200, you wrote: Hi Aitor, As I wish to embrace other FreeDOS projects, there will be a small evolution through small evolutives in the 2.X projects (leaving maybe some for the 3.X series). I just mention some of the planned changes: - A first new release with lots of many more documents - Improvements in library file manipulation (UPX support to save space) - dynamic translations (as opposed to nowadays static ones) - supplementary loadable mappings (e.g. multimedia, apm, ...) - multiple layouts in memory - accessibility options - optional usage of XMS Best wishes to the success of KEYB, you did great job making it better. My own point of view, FreeDOS programs should better than MS-DOS old one (like KEYB), not just a clone, now we have a lot of memory and CPU power, allow to use a better UI, easier operation and a better speed. Rgds, Johnson. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Problem with FD-KEYB 2.0 final
Hi, Memory in separate MCBs is not written to after being loaded. I'll try to do some testings myself (it seems to work ok under NTVDM and MS-DOS). The following variants occur to me: - With/without EMM386 - Different versions of FreeCOM - Use /B to avoid beeping at all Testings are wellcome and appreciated. Aitor 2006/8/30, Bernd Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Diego Rodriguez schreef: Hi! When I try to LoadHigh FD-KEYB 2.0 final from my AUTOEXEC.BAT I get the following error: FreeCOM: XMSSwap-In: Memory allocation error Cannot terminate permanent FreeCOM instance System halted ... reboot or power off now I'm using FreeCOM version 0.84pre2 XMS_Swap [Aug 07 2006 00:05:31] and kernel build 2036 cvs [version Sep 09 2005 compiled Jul 26 2006] It works fine if I don't try to load it high from AUTOEXEC.BAT, also works fine if I run it from the command line even if I load it into UMBs using LH. This didn't happen with 2.0 pre4 version. There's some switch to prevent the data areas (keyb files) being loaded high. Can't remember what it is, but seen the error before. -- Efficiency is intelligent lazyness - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Problem with FD-KEYB 2.0 final
Many thanks, Diego. It is, then, a known problem (ocurred in last version too, but doesn't seem to arise under MS-DOS or NTVDM, so as you say the problem may be in FreeCOM). I would like to investigate into that too, although I just wanted to clean up some missing bugs in KEYB itself before proceed. Of course, I may possibly have introduced new bugs, but it is for sure that KEYB 2.0 has a critical bug (for Strings) less than pre-4 had. Anyway thanks for the report, I'll keep an eye on that too. Just for a hint for current FreeCOM developers, KEYB loads layouts into an internal heap of itself (for historical reasons it is again a bunch of 0's, but that does NOT make sense anymore since pre3, will change that too), then once I know the size of the Layout I reserve a MCB into UMB (change the MCB allocation policy, and then restore it), unless you use /NOHI. I place the layout there (a KeybCB), and then I cut the KEYB.EXE MCB to the minimum and Terminate and Stay Resident. That memory is never written to for the moment, in fact the only writes to memory in KEYB are very few variables (such as combi pending, or perhaps the secondary buffer: all of them reside in KEYB's MCB during the whole history of KEYB. Aitor 2006/8/31, Diego Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Memory in separate MCBs is not written to after being loaded. I'll try to do some testings myself (it seems to work ok under NTVDM and MS-DOS). The following variants occur to me: - With/without EMM386 - Different versions of FreeCOM - Use /B to avoid beeping at all Testings are wellcome and appreciated. Aitor Doesn't work only if I LoadHigh from AUTOEXEC.BAT, it works if I load it from command line or from a batch file high or not or from AUTOEXEC.BAT if I don't try to load it into UMBs, of course if I don't use EMM386 it works since there aren't UMBs to load it high. /B and /NOHI options doesn't help at all. The problem doesn't happen with FreeCOM 0.82pl3 [Dec 10 2003], so seems to be probably a FreeCOM problem. __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos 1.0 experiments
Hi, 2006/9/9, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: LH is used for one of the MODE lines, not good. DISPLAY still cannot load high if I have EMS 3.2 support on: This is because its header reserves space for 5 buffers outside XMS. If you ask me, it would be much better to Well, I won't ask, but I have the impression that you will talk anyway ;-) reserve only the minimal 1 buffer. It would save 13 kB of low memory, because it would make it much easier to LOADHIGH DISPLAY. The disadvantage of that would be that if you LH display on a non-XMS system, into a small UMB, DISPLAY could not allocate more buffers. However, if you thereby breaking DISPLAY requirements: that is, clone MS-DOS DISPLAY. load to bigger UMB, or to low memory, DOS will GIVE DISPLAY more heap space, and DISPLAY can KEEP more buffers (note that display will not have to GROW for that - it is a popular misconception that it would have to... And it could not grow after becoming a device driver either...). Exactly ;-) Aitor - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UPXed DISPLAY memory requirements (was: freedos 1.0 experiments)
My shame, but I am still not working in a new DISPLAY at the moment. Will keep it, though, for when I start with DISPLAY 0.14. Aitor 2006/9/9, Arkady V.Belousov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! 9-Сен-2006 18:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: EA DISPLAY EA still cannot load high if I have EMS 3.2 support on: EA This is because its header reserves space for 5 buffers EA outside XMS. No - this is because bug in UPX stub, which doubles requested memory size (for COM2EXE converted programs). Thus, 64k of requested memory for DISPLAY.EXE become 128k of requested memory after UPXing DISPLAY.EXE. And I don't hear that someone repost my analyze for UPX bug to UPX maintainers. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] LBACACHE, QCACHE STACKS=9,512
Hi, How about licensing? Is qxumbpci GPL/open source? If it is closed source it may give you better performance, but you risk that the program may be abandoned and no-one to be able to take it back. Aitor 2006/11/23, Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Eric: Hi, sorry to bother you, but could you send me the results for some other values ... Here they are, lba 128 0,0, lba 1024 0,0 and qcache 9,512. Free Memory: _ Conventional _ Upper _ Extended (XMS) QCACHE STACKS=0,0 624 _ 42 1,493,529 LBACACHE 128 __ STACKS=0,0 __ 624 _ 40 1,493,529 QCACHE STACKS=9,256 __ 624 _ 39 1,493,529 LBACACHE 1024 _ STACKS=0,0 __ 624 _ 39 1,492,633 QCACHE /X _ STACKS=9,512 __ 624 _ 38 1,493,529 QCACHE STACKS=9,512 __ 624 _ 37 1,493,529 LBACACHE 1024 _ STACKS=9,256 __ 624 _ 37 1,492,633 LBACACHE 2048 _ STACKS=9,256 __ 624 _ 36 1,491,601 LBACACHE 2048 _ STACKS=9,384 __ 624 _ 35 1,491,609 LBACACHE 8192 _ STACKS=0,0 624 _ 32 1,485,465 LBACACHE 8192 _ STACKS=9,256 __ 624 _ 30 1,485,465 LBACACHE 8192 _ STACKS=9,384 __ 624 _ 29 1,485,465 LBACACHE 8192 _ STACKS=9,512 __ 624 _ 27 1,485,465 -- Eric: can you find out in what way qxumbpci is better than umbpci, for example by comparing the docs? I thing differences are small... Maybe someone more familiar with qxumbpci could comment here. Lester - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Down-arrow key doesn't work
Hello, could you post your AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS? Thanks, Aitor 2007/1/24, Joel Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, First, thanks to all Freedos developers and contributors. Here is my question I previously used Freedos under Debian to run Instacalc, my much beloved DOS spreadsheet program. I recently rebuilt my system, and reinstalled using apt-get the dosemu-freedos package version 0.0.b9r5a-3 . I find that pressing the Down arrow key produces no response. The key _does_ work in regular console mode and X applications. Before I try buying another keyboard,... is this possibly a configuration problem or a Freedos bug? Regards, Joel Roth - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installation
There used to be a floppy distribution, but I guess it hasn't been updated for a while, so would be useless. As for wireless stuff, seems to me a bit too sofisticated for DOS, but I don't know. Aitor 2007/1/24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is it still possible to install it without a cdrom, and if so where do I download this version. Also is there anyway to get it to recognize a wireless card on a laptop? - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Questions to memory management, DEVICEHIGH, LOADHIGH
Hello, 2007/2/9, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Only load DISPLAY when you really need a font with characters which are not in your VGA BIOS font. For me myself, being able to show the Euro currency sign on the DOS screen is not worth 10 or more kilobytes of RAM ;-). I am impressed, does your BIOS have codepage 850?? I assumed that 437 was NOT enough for German (nor in my understanding for any European language, not even for British English), but I may be wrong. For example, eszet, capitals Ö Ä... Upgrade from EMM386 to JEMM386 from www.japheth.de, but take some time to read the docs and to manually tune your JEMM386 config sys line. It can happen easily that the default config either does not give you much UMB (DOS=UMB / DOS=HIGH,UMB) space or tries to use UMB areas which are in use by sth else, like your mainboard or network chipset, and make DOS unstable. Eric, could you please extend on commandline incompatibilities? Aitor - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] PG version 1.15 is out
Hello, You can always select on-line an active codepage without commandline (if the codepage has been previously prepared) with INT 2Fh/ AX=AD01h: http://www.ctyme.com/intr/rb-5168.htm Cheers, Aitor 2007/3/4, HCL BA [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, CPIFNT is a small utility to override the BIOS default 16x8 font to the code page fonts from other FreeDOS projects. It also retrieves fonts from EGA*.CPI files and shows the font's glyph. PG vesion 1.15 is able to view files from other languages by pressing the F7 key, that saves the effort to change the code page from the command line. To get more information of the latest version, please visit johnson.tmfc.net/dos/pg.html BAHCL _ Get 10Mb extra storage for MSN Hotmail. Subscribe Now! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-hk - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] keyboard mappin problem.
As a last option, you could use the KEYCODE program to guess the scancodes that your keyboard is emitting, and create a custom KL (or KEYBOARD.SYS) file for KEYB (Henrique may help you with that). But there should be an easier way... Aitor 2007/3/14, Bonnie Dalzell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: thanks to Eric Auer I have made a lot of progress in getting my legacy program running in a freedos window on linux OS (Ubuntu edgy) i am in the US and have a logitech cordless keyboard YRJ21 however when I am trying to use xdosemu 1.2.2 I am encountering the following key missmap errors colon prints to the consol screen as a T, semicolon as t, = prints as a x s prints as an u t prints as a p i have tried various settings in $_X_keycode and also in $_layout. does the value in $_layout need to be in double quotes, single quotes or parens? i am editing the dosemu.cong file in /etc/dosemu i do not have a dosemy config file in my home directory ~~~ Bonnie Dalzell, MA mail:5100 Hydes Rd Hydes MD USA 21082-EMAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog breeder, computer nerd iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Is there any way I can stop getting these messages?
Me too... 2007/3/14, BrentMartin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please! I'm getting one of these messages every time I post something here. SobyLand does not accept mail from your address. The headers of the message sent from your address are show below: I do not want any more of these messages and I don't know any polite way to say so without offending someone's sensibilities. If someone doesn't want to see my messages they couldn't have found a better way of letting me know than whatever he's currently doing, sending me a nasty message every time I post at all. Am I doing something wrong by posting here? Must I accept spam rejection letters from people who don't like me just to be able to post here? Please explain to me the error of my ways if I'm doing something incorrectly, please. Sincerely, Brent D. Martin -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Is-there-any-way-I-can-stop-getting-these-messages--tf3404426.html#a9482090 Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] keyboard mappin problem.
Hello, 2007/3/15, Bonnie Dalzell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i personally am not fond of m$ products which is why we have the macs, a linux box and my attachment to the amiga os. however i needed to try and get my legacy program running not take two weeks to try and learn about vmware. I'm not precisely a fan of monopolies, but I always wonder why the anti-monopoly stuff against microsoft does not apply to Mac: they seem to give you more in the same box (even hardware). I always assumed that it is because there are so few of hardware and software manufacturers for the mac compared to the large variety for PC, which would be pressuring against it. Just wondering, IANAL. Aitor - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] xdosemu under Ubuntu Linux can you paste text into window?
Hello Bonnie, I'm afraid this lays clearly on the side of xdosemu, so perhaps you should post in xdosemu lists (just think that if you run freedos standalone, paste in the window does not make sense). Perhaps you come across a user with similar experiences, but you are more likely to find an answer there. Cheers, Aitor 2007/3/18, Bonnie Dalzell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have ubuntu linux and freedos 1.2.2.0 and am using xdosemu. Can I cut text from a linux document and paste it into the freedos/Xdosemu dos in a box window? If I can how do I paste it into the window? On this system shift+cntrl+v usually pastes into a terminal window but that does not work with the dos in a box window. Cntrl+v does not work either and there is no menu with the dos in a box window to allow a paste from a menu item. Thanks again for an excellent ap however. ~~~ Bonnie Dalzell, MA mail:5100 Hydes Rd Hydes MD USA 21082-EMAIL:[EMAIL PROTECTED] freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog breeder, computer nerd iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeDOS on-line
Hello all: Mybe I'm late in reporting this (I think Bernd mentioned that the project is on-going), but it seems that the JPC (PC emulator in Java) guys in Oxford have managed to put it publically in a plug-in where you can run FreeDOS on-line! You can try here: http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/jpc/ nice, isn't it? Aitor - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] intall window98 on freedos
Hello, I think you've got enough answers, just one more to clarify things. Windows98 as a pack will install MS-DOS 7.10, on top of which will Windows 4.10 run. If for the contrary your question is wether Windows 4.X will run on top of FreeDOS, the answer is that I don't think so, or at least you'll have problems when trying to run DOS applications and switch tasks, because the DOS extender on which Windows 4.X is based announces itself to start running, but FreeDOS does not react the same way MS-DOS does, and does not prepare itself for such a multitasking environment. Aitor 2007/4/5, Tonny Sapri [EMAIL PROTECTED]: after i booting from freedos,can i install windows 98SE on freedos platform? Sekarang dengan penyimpanan 1GB http://id.mail.yahoo.com/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] announce: nansi version 4.0c
Hello, 2007/5/23, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PPS: You can UPX the SYS from 4.6 kB to 3.7 kB but then you MIGHT get silent failure to load when you try to use it in a UMB which has between 3.7 and 4.5 kB size. Converting NANSI to be internally EXE would be a solution if you need it safely UPXable. Or just UPX it as it is and be aware of the (small) possible failure case. In other words, the classical problem with DISPLAY (just for the records). Aitor - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Strongly recommended reading...
Hello, 2007/5/30, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! Why isn't good documentation the norm? Programmers aren't rewarded for it. I agree on the latter - I usually TAKE time to have reasonable comments in my code because it is open source (so others can reuse it or help improving it) or because I simply insist on having maintainable code. It hardly ever happens that you GET significant time on your schedule for maintainability or deep maintenance work like audits. Customers only PAY for features and few IT people think about the point that code does and will change, so you better make it maintainable from the start. Good luck with convincing your colleagues ;-). I am afraid I disagree, Eric. We are just having badly or poorly commented code BECAUSE we are creating Open Source. I believe it is not as much the case for SMALL firms, but as for software written for big firms, they usually not only count, but also force you to write complete documentation (not only code comments), functional and technical, some others also test cases, and many many manuals for it. Some even pay for projects which are purely analytical/functional, and that only produce documents, not code. And they are imposing money pennalizations not only because of bugs, but also because of documents not in time, etc. For OpenSource there's no such pressure. As you are not paid, you don't have to write documentation, so you just write features. Of course, not only for the maintainability, but also to increase the inter-cooperation, documentation is vital, but usually neglected. Only big open source projects as Linux can expect to have some quality documentation. As for FreeDOS, we have Pat Vilani's original book. Unfortunately it has evolved quite a bit from there. Maybe one day we get the critical mass as to afford more detailed documentation. Aitor - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Strongly recommended reading...
Hello, 2007/6/4, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Aitor, I am afraid I disagree, Eric. We are just having badly or poorly commented code BECAUSE we are creating Open Source. I believe it is not as much the case for SMALL firms, but as for software written for big firms, they usually not only count, but also force you to write complete documentation (not only code comments), functional and technical, some others also test cases, and many many manuals for it. That would possibly be overdoing things again... I hope that my open source code - and quite a bit of the FreeDOS stuff - has reasonably well commented sources. On the other hand, I have I don't quite agree, but anyway I don't care about the local comments, but just some document explaining the basic architecture of a piece of software (usually 1-2 lines saying where to start). I'm not free of guilt, though. I just try to describe what I see in real life. seen the case that a meeting about coding style has been post- poned (in a company) because people will not change anyway. So far for companies giving the good example ;-). Not serious ones. Strategic decission to change services provider can come, and then what. But of course it is always good to remember that we have to remind ourselves to write good code in open source. Because we are not paid for FreeDOS, there is no quality control dept either. On the other hand, there could be one - working with volunteers, just like our software devel dept :-). That would be an idea, provided that there would be enough volunteers to afford that. Hopefully there's one for Linux kernel, e.g. Aitor - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Updated FreeDOS web design
Hello, I don't know if it's just me, but the current font (at 17th of june) looks a bit strange and harder to read... Aitor 2007/6/8, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks to all of the Arachne users (especially Udo!) and other web testers who helped with the new FreeDOS web design. The new design doesn't differ all that much from the old one, but has a cleaner look. More importantly, the new design looks much better under Arachne (some differences: Arachne doesn't support absolute positioning of the linkList, and doesn't display the background images.) I hope you like it. -jh - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Updated FreeDOS web design
Oh, it's MSIE6 over WinXP over LCD screen (NO ClearType). Aitor 2007/6/17, Aitor Santamaría [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I don't know if it's just me, but the current font (at 17th of june) looks a bit strange and harder to read... Aitor 2007/6/8, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks to all of the Arachne users (especially Udo!) and other web testers who helped with the new FreeDOS web design. The new design doesn't differ all that much from the old one, but has a cleaner look. More importantly, the new design looks much better under Arachne (some differences: Arachne doesn't support absolute positioning of the linkList, and doesn't display the background images.) I hope you like it. -jh - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Brief notes on using KEYB
Hello Grant, You're right. At current stage, the modifier keys operate some extra magic on BIOS variables, and there are YET no commands in KEYB to perform those changes. There will be in the future, but not a near future. Aitor 2007/6/9, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]: you won't find the KL files. You will find the KEY (i.e. source) files instead, which can be modified (i.e. edited on any ordinary TXT file editor) and compiled - that's when the KL files appear. Yup, I finally figured that out (from reading the kc docs). After trying for a couple hours, I also realized that keyb 2.0 can't do what I'm trying to do (I was able to map the caps lock key to other characters, but you can't make a key function as a modifier (shift/control/caps-lock) using keyb 2.0. It says so plainly in the keyb docs, but I only noticed it the third time I read the section on commands. :/ I did find a TSR that does pretty much what I want, so I'm all set to go. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Eisenhower!! Your at mimeograph machine upsets visi.commy stomach!! - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] keyboard function and cursor key remapping problem
With KEYB you can actually do this, there's a basic behaviour which lets you remap, for cerain scancode, the character it produces. You can in addition remap the scancode, too (e.g. for german). Then you have strings, which provide further flexibility. Do let me/us (Henrique) know if you need some extra help. Aitor === Excerpt of GR.KEY, to remap Y key to behave as regular Z: [KEYS:kcommon] ... 21CS 44/z44/Z44/#0 44/#0 44/#26 44/#0 ... === C is to mean that CapsLock affects this key S is to mean that scancode has to replace too (format Scancode/char instead of simply char) The columns that Henrique has defined in the file are Normal, Shift, AltGr, Shift+AltGr, Control, Alt Aitor 2007/6/11, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi people, somebody asked me the following: How can I remap function and cursor keys to those char codes: F1 to F6 to char codes 0xb1 to 0xb6 left right up down to char codes 8, 6, 0x0b, 5 I think both KEYB and NANSI could do that, but can anybody explain which config files / strings have to be used for that and how they are activated in KEYB or NANSI? Thanks :-) Eric PS: The above keyboard remapping is for using a simple DOS terminal software to control a Heesemann grinding machine. A terminal which can map keycodes itself would also work, so suggestions for suitable freeware terminals are welcome, too. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS icon
Am I too late to see the old one? I still see the fish (mozilla based, the favicons never seemed to work very well with MSIE, with mozilla based they allways work well, I ignore why). Aitor 2007/6/15, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Mateusz, I saw that the FreeDOS website's icon has changed why?? I think the previous one was much nicer... by the way, the current one is just an adaptation of the MSDOS icon from Windows. :( I agree. It is a bad idea to use a MS style icon. Especially when we can use a really nice FreeDOS fish icon instead! Does anybody have a copy of the old icon? Otherwise we would have to wait until Jim returns so he can reactivate the old icon himself. Eric - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] COUNTRY.SYS settings
Hello, As there's no NLSFUNC, you just create a new entry and re-compile. As for the EURO, make sure that you choose a codepage that contains the symbol (e.g. 858). Aitor 2007/6/26, Mateusz Viste [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Is there any way to set up manually all configurations for the COUTRY.SYS settings? I mean, how could I decide exactly which character I want to use for decimals, which for hundreds separator, how to display the date etc...? I know that I can choose between various countries standards, but none of them fills all my needs. What I would like to have is: Date format: dd.mm. Time format: hh:mm Decimal separator: . Hundreds separator: ' Currency: € (I don't know if FreeDOS is storing the currency anywhere) Any ideas? ;-) Best regards, Mateusz Viste - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] COUNTRY.SYS settings
Self-correction. There IS NLSFUNC, but only for the UNSTABLE kernel, so I guess perhaps hasn't been distributed in the official distributions. I wonder what is the criterion by which something goes from unstable to stable. I think NLSFUNC and the involved changes have been there for a long time already. Aitor 2007/6/26, Aitor Santamaría [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, As there's no NLSFUNC, you just create a new entry and re-compile. As for the EURO, make sure that you choose a codepage that contains the symbol (e.g. 858). Aitor 2007/6/26, Mateusz Viste [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Is there any way to set up manually all configurations for the COUTRY.SYS settings? I mean, how could I decide exactly which character I want to use for decimals, which for hundreds separator, how to display the date etc...? I know that I can choose between various countries standards, but none of them fills all my needs. What I would like to have is: Date format: dd.mm. Time format: hh:mm Decimal separator: . Hundreds separator: ' Currency: € (I don't know if FreeDOS is storing the currency anywhere) Any ideas? ;-) Best regards, Mateusz Viste - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] COUNTRY.SYS settings
Hello, Once with the unstable kernel, you should create a COUNTRY.SYS-style file with the settings you want. You can either load it at boot with COUNTRY= in CONFIG.SYS, or either load it hot with NLSFUNC (in this case, create your file in a way that the country code is the same as the country code in which your system is booted). Finally, make sure to choose the appropriate codepage (see Henrique's mail). You can either do it at boot with COUNTRY= in CONFIG.SYS, or either call nlsfunc hot, by means of the CHCP command. Hope that helps... Aitor 2007/6/27, Mateusz Viste [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 27 June 2007 12:55, Aitor Santamaría wrote: There IS NLSFUNC, but only for the UNSTABLE kernel, so I guess perhaps hasn't been distributed in the official distributions. Okay, I have installed the unstable kernel (which, by the way, isn't unstable at all - at least for me). I have now the NLSFUNC command available, but how can I change date format using that command? I studied the docs, and there are very few possible parameters for NLSFUNC... Best regards, Mateusz Viste - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] COUNTRY.SYS settings
I ignore it, perhaps Eduardo (developer of NLSFUNC) has some tools for creating/editing such files, or Eric or Henrique have some ideas? Aitor 2007/6/27, Mateusz Viste [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 27 June 2007 19:54, Aitor Santamaría wrote: Once with the unstable kernel, you should create a COUNTRY.SYS-style file with the settings you want. I understand that the only way to make FreeDOS changes date/time format is to choose a contry code, or make its own COUNTRY.SYS file, right? Then how can I edit the COUNTRY.SYS? I tried to open it in a text editor, but it seems to be a regular binary file. Have it to be compiled with something? Where can I find any how-to about creating COUNTRY.SYS files? Best regards, Mateusz Viste - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] COUNTRY.SYS settings
Looks ok to me, in what sense is it buggy?
Aitor
2007/6/27, Tom Ehlert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
BTW:
country=33 (spain) would be perfekt, it it wasn't buggy
(1000's/decimal point swapped)
/* Spain */ ,{
33, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
850,
_DATE_DMY, /*Date format: 0/1/2: U.S.A./Europe/Japan
*/
EUR, /* '$' ,'EUR' */
.,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
',/* Decimal point - by aitor */
-,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision */
_TIME_24/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
Tom
Is there any way to set up manually all configurations for the COUTRY.SYS
settings? I mean, how could I decide exactly which character I want to use
for decimals, which for hundreds separator, how to display the date etc...?
I know that I can choose between various countries standards, but none of
them
fills all my needs.
What I would like to have is:
Date format: dd.mm.
Time format: hh:mm
Decimal separator: .
Hundreds separator: '
Currency: € (I don't know if FreeDOS is storing the currency anywhere)
enter into CONFIG.SYS:
country=49 (german)
gets pretty close to what you want (even for the stable kernel),
see the other possibilities below, hard compiled into the kernel.
the currency is probably irrelevant, no program ever cared
Tom
FIXED country settings:
struct CountrySpecificInfo specificCountriesSupported[] = {
/* US */ {
1, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
437,
_DATE_MDY, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
$,/* '$' ,'EUR' */
,,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
.,/* '.'# Decimal point */
/,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision*/
_TIME_12/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
/* Canadian French */ ,{
2, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
863,
_DATE_YMD, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
$,/* '$' ,'EUR' */
,,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
.,/* '.'# Decimal point */
-,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision*/
_TIME_24/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
/* Latin America */ ,{
3, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
850,
_DATE_MDY, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
$,/* '$' ,'EUR' */
,,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
.,/* '.'# Decimal point */
/,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision*/
_TIME_12/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
/* Russia - by arkady */ ,{
7, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
866,
_DATE_DMY, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
RUB, /* '$' ,'EUR' */
/* should be \xE0, but as no codepage
support exists (yet), better to leave it
as 'Rubels'
*/
,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
,,/* '.'# Decimal point */
.,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
3, /* Currency format : currency follows,
after blank */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision*/
_TIME_24/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
Re: [Freedos-user] COUNTRY.SYS settings
I've seen one bug right now, shouldn't Spain be 34?
(Can't remember if the DOS country codes are the ones used in
telephony, but in such case, it's definitely 34).
Aitor
2007/6/27, Tom Ehlert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
BTW:
country=33 (spain) would be perfekt, it it wasn't buggy
(1000's/decimal point swapped)
/* Spain */ ,{
33, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
850,
_DATE_DMY, /*Date format: 0/1/2: U.S.A./Europe/Japan
*/
EUR, /* '$' ,'EUR' */
.,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
',/* Decimal point - by aitor */
-,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision */
_TIME_24/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
Tom
Is there any way to set up manually all configurations for the COUTRY.SYS
settings? I mean, how could I decide exactly which character I want to use
for decimals, which for hundreds separator, how to display the date etc...?
I know that I can choose between various countries standards, but none of
them
fills all my needs.
What I would like to have is:
Date format: dd.mm.
Time format: hh:mm
Decimal separator: .
Hundreds separator: '
Currency: € (I don't know if FreeDOS is storing the currency anywhere)
enter into CONFIG.SYS:
country=49 (german)
gets pretty close to what you want (even for the stable kernel),
see the other possibilities below, hard compiled into the kernel.
the currency is probably irrelevant, no program ever cared
Tom
FIXED country settings:
struct CountrySpecificInfo specificCountriesSupported[] = {
/* US */ {
1, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
437,
_DATE_MDY, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
$,/* '$' ,'EUR' */
,,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
.,/* '.'# Decimal point */
/,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision*/
_TIME_12/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
/* Canadian French */ ,{
2, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
863,
_DATE_YMD, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
$,/* '$' ,'EUR' */
,,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
.,/* '.'# Decimal point */
-,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision*/
_TIME_24/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
/* Latin America */ ,{
3, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
850,
_DATE_MDY, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
$,/* '$' ,'EUR' */
,,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
.,/* '.'# Decimal point */
/,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision*/
_TIME_12/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
/* Russia - by arkady */ ,{
7, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
866,
_DATE_DMY, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
RUB, /* '$' ,'EUR' */
/* should be \xE0, but as no codepage
support exists (yet), better to leave it
as 'Rubels'
*/
,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
,,/* '.'# Decimal point */
.,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
3, /* Currency format : currency follows,
after blank */
2, /* = 2
Re: [Freedos-user] COUNTRY.SYS settings
Hello Tom,
Actually they aren't.
The decimal separator is arguably ' (see below), but the thousand
separator is universally accepted (and known) as . in Spain (and NEVER
the ,).
As for the decimal separator, there's a typical controversy between
official and widespread. The official symbol is ' (as stated in
official national public agencies, I can't remember if the Spanish
language academy or by scientific (physics) academies).
However, few people actually uses it, or what's more, few people would
ever know (and what's worse accept it) as decimal separator. Although
I myself remember being taught to use ' in School, the common belief
between Spaniards is that the decimal separator is the , (and NEVER
the .). Even in Microsoft Windows and other programs (MS-Excel), they
have by default , (so perhaps a reason to change our COUNTRY setting,
although it was myself who suggested to use the official ' ).
Just for an extra bit, there's another similar discussion with the
capital vowels and diacritics. A very old rule stated that the capital
letters would NEVER accept a diacritic sign (thus, ÁÉÍÓÚÜ should NEVER
be used, you write AEIOUU as the capitals for áéíóúü). However, the
Spanish language academy changed their mind (I think about three
decades ago) as they judged that not using them may lead to ambiguous
or illegible words. However, not many people knows it, and there are
quite some that haven't bothered to check it and will swear that you
MUST never used ÁÉÍÓÚÜ.
Aitor
2007/6/27, Tom Ehlert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've seen one bug right now, shouldn't Spain be 34?
according to http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/country.htm - yes
unfortunately I took the 33 from a VERY old kernel35, the current has
a 34
but still
.,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
',/* Decimal point - by aitor */
look swapped
Tom
(Can't remember if the DOS country codes are the ones used in
telephony, but in such case, it's definitely 34).
Aitor
2007/6/27, Tom Ehlert [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
BTW:
country=33 (spain) would be perfekt, it it wasn't buggy
(1000's/decimal point swapped)
/* Spain */ ,{
33, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage */
850,
_DATE_DMY, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
EUR, /* '$' ,'EUR' */
.,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
',/* Decimal point - by aitor */
-,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision */
_TIME_24/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres */
}
Tom
Is there any way to set up manually all configurations for the
COUTRY.SYS
settings? I mean, how could I decide exactly which character I want to
use
for decimals, which for hundreds separator, how to display the date
etc...?
I know that I can choose between various countries standards, but none
of them
fills all my needs.
What I would like to have is:
Date format: dd.mm.
Time format: hh:mm
Decimal separator: .
Hundreds separator: '
Currency: € (I don't know if FreeDOS is storing the currency anywhere)
enter into CONFIG.SYS:
country=49 (german)
gets pretty close to what you want (even for the stable kernel),
see the other possibilities below, hard compiled into the kernel.
the currency is probably irrelevant, no program ever cared
Tom
FIXED country settings:
struct CountrySpecificInfo specificCountriesSupported[] = {
/* US */ {
1, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage
*/
437,
_DATE_MDY, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
$,/* '$' ,'EUR' */
,,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
.,/* '.'# Decimal point */
/,/* '-' DateSeparator */
:,/* ':' TimeSeparator */
0, /* = 0 # Currency format (bit array) */
2, /* = 2 # Currency precision*/
_TIME_12/* = 0 # time format: 0/1: 12/24 houres
*/
}
/* Canadian French */ ,{
2, /* = W1 W437 # Country ID Codepage
*/
863,
_DATE_YMD, /*Date format: 0/1/2:
U.S.A./Europe/Japan */
$,/* '$' ,'EUR' */
,,/* ',' # Thousand's separator */
.,
Re: [Freedos-user] runtime tool needs new translations
Hello Eric, A quick one: 2007/6/28, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1 seconds segundos 2 elapsed transcurrido (or transcurridos if it's plural) 3 RUNTIME is free public domain software by Eric Auer 2007 Usage: RUNTIME your_program [your_options] Shows how long your_program ran, max 1 day (23 RUNTIME es software libre y dominio público, por Eric Auer 2007 Uso: RUNTIME programa [opciones] Muestra el tiempo de ejecución del programa, máximo 1 día (23 h 5 COMSPEC not found No se ha encontrado COMSPEC - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] I've created a glossy version of Blinky
Looks good! It's nice to see a 3D version of the logo. Just one thing: I've seen the main logo in the site and noticed that its border, as much as it's mouth, is black. In your picture, the background is also black, so it mixes with the border. Could you please create another one over, say, white background, where the black border can be easily differenciated? Thanks, Aitor 2007/8/31, Rikard Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi everyone, I've created a glossy version of Blinky the fish. Here is the link to the small version: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/rixard/blinkyglossy_small.png The slightly larger version can be found here: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/rixard/blinkyglossy.png Hope you like it. /Rikard Lang, Sweden - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] I've created a glossy version of Blinky
2007/8/31, Mateusz Viste [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 31 August 2007 17:31, Aitor Santamaría wrote: Could you please create another one over, say, white background, where the black border can be easily differenciated? Hi Aitor! It seems you're using some some oldish image-reader software... MS - Internet Explorer... In fact, the background is transparent, but your software (which can't support PNG transparency) translates it into black. That's good! Aitor - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Updater
Hello, Congrats on the package system!! I think it is a great idea. Just some comments: (1) About the files to be put, I guess that the package system would not, for the moment, try to download from a site outside ibiblio itself, so the binary and source files could be simply unix links to the actual files in the freedos repository (you can even create them with an FTP client). (2) I think there should be some way of categorising, or at least, the user should be prompted. For if I have the mini distribution without sources, I wouldn't want everything from the full distribution with sources. Actually, is there any different behaviour with new files than with updated files? (3) I guess that the system does have some local DB to compare to the remote DB and see what is to be downloaded. Is this local DB XML or LSM? Thanks again! Aitor - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Updater
Hello, I am going to give a bunch of ideas, I hope any of those is of some use. 2007/12/2, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One more thing: I think the pkgs and spkgs for the update server should be assumed to be different than the zip files that we upload to ibiblio. A pkg and spkg have a particular meaning; they contain a particular directory structure. You are right, but it would be good if we could move towards a point where all files have that directory structure. Otherwise, it will be the exception, not the rule, that a downloaded zip file can be used for updating. For all normal files, people now are forced to unzip to a temp directory and spend time to sort the files to put them in the right directories in their installed freedos. It's not realistic to assume we will be able to have *every* zip file on the ibiblio archive to use the FreeDOS pkg directory structure. There are a few problems here: 1. Not all developers care about FreeDOS pkg structure. And it would be inappropriate of me to re-zip their release into a FreeDOS pkg-compatible structure. (It would be ok to create a pkg to put on the update server, but it is not ok to re-zip someone else's work before putting it in the general archive.) Also note that sometimes we put zip files on ibiblio that cannot be included on the FreeDOS distribution because they are not free for all, but are useful for some. The license for these non-free programs may prohibit repackaging. As I see it, the fact that some DOS software is mirrored at ibiblio's FreeDOS repository is a privilege, not a nice present. Thus, it could be an idea that there is some kind of FreeDOS logotype test (LOL ;-)) meaning that some programs have passed the minimum requirements of: - An LSM is submitted, so that the software is fully described - It fully follows the pkg structure. At certain time I even thought of a second approach to this problem: a FreeDOS package to be a ZIP file with another extension (say FPF or FreeDOS Package File) matching certain conditions, such as: - it follows the pkg structure - there exists the appinfo/XXX.LSM file I thought of the second because the programmer could encode in that LSM the condition to run certain Post-Install script, that would be run after the package is installed. The extended LSM could host other information, that we might not exploit at this moment, but maybe in the future. Things like: dependencies, path to executable, path to a HTML-Help file (for automatic Help update), etc. Then there's the decission whether the FreeDOS package would be able to deal with these special FPF files (and deal with the versioning stuff, post-install script, maybe dependencies), and for standard ZIP packages, well, just the basic (there exists XXX.ZIP with date YYY, newer than current XXX.LSM, install?). 3. We may (at some later date) choose to change the FreeDOS pkg directory layout. As of today, no suggestions to do this have been made, but a year from now it's possible that we may want to change it. I don't want to re-zip everything on ibiblio to meet the new pkg standard. Perhaps it is the moment to see if the pkg structure needs a review or not. We could discuss about it, and settle certain FreeDOS directory structure 1.0, so that programs are based on it. A clever idea that Microsoft does (for example, to allow locale in filenames, C:\Program Files is, in my system, C:\Archivos de Programa\) IIRC is to use a kind of location variable, so that for example, %10 would be Program Files, %11 would be Windows folder, etc. It would be certainly quite a lot of more work, but it could be that the ZIP (or FPF) does NOT have directories, but has instead a mapping file: \DISKCOPY.001 = %12\DISKCOPY.EXE (and in turn, %12 could be standarised to C:\FREEDOS\BIN by the packager program). 4. Others who roll their own distro for themselves or for a distro they make available to others may not want to use our pkg directory layout, but instead go with something slightly different. and don't they have their own package program too (as in Linux)? But the FDUPDATE program will be downloading these files using wget to a DOS filesystem. Suggestion: wget -O choicex.zip http://foo/bar/choice-4.4-binary.zip This also makes sure that you have a static name of the downloaded file (does not contain a version number) and also a readable name (does contain the full name choice) after the download and a readable name including a readable version number on the server :-). Remember that it is useful if people can find a package with google. Bonnie probably has a lot of experience with this when she tried to find new downloads of various packages... She would not have found a dkcp0815.zip when looking for freedos diskcopy. Your suggestion works well when the package title is 7 characters or less. But you give an example of a package title that is 8 characters (DISKCOPY). Also DISKCOMP,
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Updater
Hello, 2007/12/2, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: put zip files on ibiblio that cannot be included on the FreeDOS distribution because they are not free for all... You are right. The updater can make use of extra nonfree repositories outside ibiblio, while our ISOs gotta be free. Following the idea I exposed before, you could even have locally a folder called: C:\FREEDOS\3RDPARTY\... where it would unpackage all that is not packaged on the new structure (in the words before, being a ZIP and not a FPF). I don't want to re-zip everything on ibiblio to meet the new pkg standard. The standard is not new - I only suggest to re-zip everything which will be part of FreeDOS 1.1, because there is not other choice. You need zips in fdpkg format for every single package which will be on the ISO, and we need helpers for that task. I agree. For the beta9 and 1.0 distros, Bernd and Blair had to do most of this work themselves, and it is a lot of work because there are many packages and because quite a few are not already in fdpkg format when you download them from the developer's page. True. And I even remember that if you made small mistakes about the pkg structure, they would fix that. Aitor - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Updater
Hello, 2007/12/3, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 12/2/07, Aitor Santamaría [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But programs that are in the distributions can be assumed to be re-zipped pkgs, especially so if we choose to rename them with FDP or PKG. That is good. Then you could go along with an standard. Perhaps re-versioning the packing howto. Reviewing other things, as the must of including the LSM file somewhere (as in the header), and the possible extensions to the LSM (see below). Interestingly, at one point on FDPM we had considered adding dependencies and post-install tasks a-la the RPM spec (%dependencies% and %pre% and %post% sections after the End in the LSM.) But we never followed up on it while I worked on FDPM. What I am then a bit lost is, what and where is the use of the XML file that was mentioned in other parts of the conversation? If we're open to discussing the pkg format, I'd like to suggest 3 things: 1. adherence to the directory layout (already defined, but probably not well known) 2. move the LSM file out of the zip file archive, and into the zip file comment header. This makes it easier for programs built using zip file tools to easily read the LSM header without having to unzip part of the archive just to read a single APPINFO/__.LSM file. 3. adherence to the LSM file format. We have a lot of LSMs out there now that don't follow the LSM format very well. We should either move back to what the LSM spec actually says, or agree that we're abandoning it and choose some other file format for pkg info. The (2) idea is great, specially if it can be extracted using a C API too! As for the rest, I would simply re-version the how-to that talks about packing (the contribution howto?). Aitor - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Updater
Great! 2007/12/4, Jim Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think we've covered the important points so far in our discussion. I've started to capture the thread in a new changes to the software list document, using as much copy/paste from this discussion as possible. That document can be the start of a spec for (a) what the new software list will do look like (including data output format, etc.) and (b) what the FreeDOS updater will read. Hope to have it done this afternoon if I can also work on it during lunch. Will post it on www.freedos.org for general discussion. - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos x Virtual PC x Jemm
Hello, 2007/12/20, Lelio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe you could say I=e000-efff but at your own risk. I do not understand... You tell JEMM to use the e000-efff memory space, and you may run into troubles if there is some hardware mapped at those addresses. Just try and see. display: I know it must have something to do with the screen, but I do not know what to do and how to disable. Basically the character set. If you are NOT using it, and you don't have problems with your character set, then it's ok. Otherwise, try commenting it out, and look for Portuguese-specific characters, to see if they are mapped correctly onto 437. Aitor - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos update and 4dos
Me too. Aitor 2008/1/18, Blair Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am with Tom On 1/16/08, Tom Ehlert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) 4DOS in FreeDOS 1.1: Will it - the package - have the structure of directory as the other programs? Or not? (freecom is in the root-directory...) You are right - FreeCOM should be moved to the BIN directory. At the moment, a FreeCOM in your own selected language is made (by concatenating two binary blobs) during install, which is then allowed to replace the original FreeCOM from the package. Both original and localized FreeCOM should be put into BIN. wrong. command.com should stay at the root directory - for the simple reason that the kernel expects it (by default there), and otherwise F5 won't work. BTW: command.com has been there for about 20 years, no reason to change that. 5) And...as always: I vote for using 4DOS as main command- interpreter and freecom as optional. ;-) I vote AGAINST this. me too. you *are* able to use any command interpreter you like, but *default* should be command.com Tom - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] looking for epson or escp printer users
Hello, 2008/2/15, Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This will also be useful for some related projects: Writing some extension for the Blocek DOS Unicode editor to print unicode text as graphics, and writing a driver which lets you print text as graphics using the font you are using on the screen or a font loaded from a CPI file. This code could also be used by PRINTER (by Aitor) later, unless he prefers loading the font to the printer itself and then printing the text as text instead. Is not that I prefer it, it's that it's precisely what PRINTER.SYS is about: would just need code to select a printer hardcoded font, and also code to load new fonts into a printer. Aitor - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] 64b Dos Extender Outline
Hello, I'll give you my opinion. Perhaps more than facing on features, I see two foreseeable problems. (1) If computers are ever to boot on a 64-bit world with EFI instead of BIOS, I guess that there would be a kind of 16/32-bit API for maping BIOS into EFI, otherwise that is key to FreeDOS (or I am completely mislead). (2) DOSers are probably likely to use EMM386, what about interoperability or even some kind of emulation/mixture? Probably thougher topics than it seems. Aitor 2008/5/23 Richard Fryer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: HI there Note: that fundamentally I am a harware guy so if this skew wiff in some way do advise. This thing is going to have to be structured as follows: Memory spaces: D Disk space - holds the (sparse?) virtual address space image on disk. V Virtual space - holds the address space storage in core being manipulated on. LLogical space - what the 64b cpu refers to. PPhysical space - Actual ram installed. I assume that address registers are either 48b or 64b long,data registers are 8b,16b,32b,64b and that there is probally a bit to control the size of extended registers like in in 386. Handling 64b data would be nice,but 64b address's?. The 32b dos extender I wrote only supports L P spaces. What real need is there for this?. Have pentium 64b 586 2GB ram to develope software on. richard fryer widget works bye - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] put drivers in XMS
Hello, 2008/6/3 Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Robert, I remember some old driver in protected mode and cloaking related stuff from the old days but only few drivers did support it afair? So I would suggest that we just take our new open source drivers and turn those which really need a lot of RAM into JLM modules for JEMM386. The interface is a bit like DLL and DPMI, you can for example hook any DOS interrupt and let the handler reside outside the first megabyte :-). Typical candidates would be DOSLFN, SHSUCDX, SHARE, DISPLAY, but the latter is a bit tricky as it does have to show the font data in DOS-accessible RAM sometimes. In most times: every time someone calls the video mode change function at int 10h. You could actually hook the call, and before going into it then: alloc somewhere 12Kb of memory (from DOS?), then use XMS functions to recall data back, and finally do the usual DISPLAY stuff... but looks like quite prone to failures to me. Aitor - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] put drivers in XMS
Hello, 2008/6/3 Michael Reichenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED]: iw2evk schrieb: It's possible under freedos 1.0 put the drivers in XMS insted UMB? Can be used cloaking.exe , and in wich modality? many thanks in advance. Roberto iw2evk Hey! I had some time ago a similar suggestion. Loading into EMS/XMS would be a bad idea because more outdated applications use EMS/XMS. Well, in fact it gave me idea that EMS could actually be suitable for DISPLAY: you book a couple of contiguous pages, then upon call to int10h select those pages as available. Note (Eric) that these changes wouldn't change at all the DISPLAY core, but the particular EGA/VGA driver. Regards, Aitor - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Finding incompatible drivers?
Hello, 2008/6/6 Michael Reichenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a list with known incomparability's? Or some way to 'guess' what will be very likely to be incompatible? Or a tool for automatically testing all configurations until I can not reproduce the bug? Automatically not. You basically try out with different AUTOEXEC and CONFIG, and maybe post parameters for some help here. Good luck! Aitor - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos Speed
Hello, It is a well-known Turbo Pascal Library bug, you can either fix the resulting program, or the TPL itself. More details here: http://www.brain.uni-freiburg.de/~klaus/pascal/runerr200/download.html Regards, Aitor 2008/6/18 Richard D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm new to Freedos, and tried it with a program written in Borland Pascal which usually gives a 200 divide by zero error if run on a modern PC. The software seems to run perfectly under Freedos, and I would like to know whether this is a fluke, or if Freedos does actually divide down the system clock? - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.1 status
Hello, 2008/8/29, Travis Siegel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Speaking of freedos 1.1. I know freedos isn't intended to be dos *exactly* but it is intended to be a free dos replacement. This is fine for those using emulators under other operating systems, and those who can see their screens. However, I'm interested in using freedos as well, and not being able to see, kind of puts a crimp in things. Last time I tried running my screen reader on freedos (admittedly, it was several years ago, and freedos wasn't anywhere near ver 1.0) it just plain didn't work. However, since then, I know freedos has come a long way, and I have decided to get involved (if possible) to help freedos work for visually impaired users as well. There is a free w/source screen reader for dos called provox. (can't remember where I found it, but can go look it up if needed) I'm curious if I can get it to compile and operate properly under freedos, is this something the freedos maintainers would be willing to include in the main distribution? Most modern operating systems have some sort of screen reader built-in (although some are *extremely* limited) such as narrator, but others such as speakup and orca included with a lot of linux distros are very functional, and of course, osx includes a full-blown screen reader called voiceover. I didn't write provox, but I *think* I know the person who did, though the source is gpl, and technically, we shouldn't have to ask his permission. If this could be made to work, freedos could then be listed as blind- friendly, and would likely win a few more supporters. So, I guess what it boils down to is: how does one go about including a product in the base distribution, and is screen reader access something the freedos team would agree to include? Thanks for any information provided. I guess in a CD there is enough room. The only need is that the basic rules are observed: basically that the license must be GNU-GPL 2 or weaker, and just to observe some basic rules about how the packing should be. Have a look at the several documentation how-tos at fd-doc to get an idea. Also you should fill-in a LSM record for the program, so that it can be tracked. FD-DOC: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php LSM: http://www.freedos.org/freedos/software/ Greetings and good luck! Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FreeDOS EDIT 0.9a (FD-Dflat+ based)
Hi all, I hereby announce FreeDOS EDIT 0.9a (the sucessor of EDIT 0.7d). The big change about the 0.9 series is that it is now based on FreeDOS DFlat+, which is a user interface development toolkit, that has actually been excerpted (and continued) from EDIT. Thus, if you ever happen to see another DFlat+ -based application, you should expect to see a similar usability and look and feel. THe list of changes is huge, although most are internal and do not reflect in functionality. However, I may have introduced several new bugs, so please, let me know if you find them. You can grab it here: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/edit/edit09ax.zip However, for EDIT 0.9a I have commited also some user-oriented changes, specially in the way menus and submenus are handled. Here you have a list of changes: (*) SmoothMenus: in short, what changed in menus from Windows 3.1 to Windows95 with respect to mouse behaviour. Also: - adapted keyboard behaviour: Esc and left arrow do NOT close the entire cascade, etc. - submenus are no longer restricted to the application window area - clicking outside a menu closes it - when an option is disabled, it no longer beeps (only closes the pop-up) (*) Changed: in the Search/Replace box, the case-check is off by default. (*) Fix: yes/no boxes admit arrow keys (*) Fix: Open/Save as boxes no longer admit Esc as a valid character (*) Fix: when opening a file with tabs, the WatchIcon loked the mouse. No longer happens. Happy Edit'ing, and bug reporting! Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] ANNOUNCE: FreeDOS EDIT 0.9a (FD-Dflat+ based)
Hello Michael, More information about DFlat+ is at the freedos-devel list (not here), I'll forward to you the mail privately. I do not keep track of how it was prior to FreeDOS EDIT, but I am afraid that the development and patching of D-FLAT inside EDIT turned it too BorlandC dependent. Current DFlat+ is compatible with both BorlandC (3.1) and OpenWatcom C (1.6), but it took me a while to replace the BorlandC specific code in order to make it OW compatible. FD-EDIT 0.9a is compiled under BC3, just as its predecessors. Cheers! Aitor 2008/9/6 Michael Reichenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am interested in dflat+ and know dflat was made for gcc 3.x and doesn't compile with gcc 4.x anymore. Did you fix it? Which version of watcom is dflat+ now designed for? -mr - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] invalid opcode when loading mode
Hello, 2008/9/21 Geraldo Netto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: lh DISPLAY CON=(VGA,,1) Maybe vga,437,1 instead? LH makes no sense without emm386... actually i would use it with 850 cp which pt-br, it seems to 'run better' with no value ie: if i try to use display con=(vga,850,1) the screen get a strange format i mean, words appear just the 'half to up' part a la strikethrough char... Geraldo, the parameter here is to describe how your *hardware* is, which is most likely to be 437. If you put a 850 there, you are saying that your hardware already has 850 encoded, and thus you wouldn't ever need to use MODE CON. ie: edit Edit 0.7d or edit 0.9a? edit 0.9a which still crashing in a random way :( EDIT 0.9a is quite a different animal from its predecessors, and I could have introduced a new bug, could you please say if you happen to find a pattern to make EDIT 0.9a crash, and wether the bug is reproduced in EDIT 0.7d? Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Fwd: invalid opcode when loading mode
Hello, As usual, Eric ported the conversation to private (is it just me who does NOT like it?), and after a long thread, for those interested, the results are: (1) Several programs ceased to work properly whenever LH without a XMS driver NOT being present and you try to load high (using UNSTABLE kernel? latest/unstable version of FreeCOM?). could be accompained with (2) a DISPLAY or MODE bug: in order to test it, is anyone using FreeDOS WITHOUT XMS, and running both DISPLAY and MODE CON stuff? Aitor -- Forwarded message -- From: Geraldo Netto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/9/21 Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] invalid opcode when loading mode To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS services
Hello, 2008/9/25 Hans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: a 286 or newer processor). If EDIT or KEYB fail on your 80186, try EDIT 0.7d and MKEYB, which should work even on 8086. Or use no keyboard driver at all (if you use US keyboard layout). Let us know if you find other programs which do not work on 80186 processors. PLAIN WRONG. FD-KEYB is supposed to work on 8088 (although not reports yet), where MKEYB does NOT, because MKEYB relies on some BIOS int15h, that older BIOSes usually do not have. EDIT: there's no reason why EDIT 0.9a shouldn't work, because nothing was changed about it. Eric, again recommended the programs you like (or you release)... Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] invalid opcode when loading mode
Hello, 2008/9/28 Der kleine Beitrag eines Computeranwenders (Users) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm a DOS user since the early 90's, I used DR DOS 5.0, later MS-DOS 7.00 and DR-DOS/OpenDOS 7 a lot, always together with 4DOS. I always removed DISPLAY.SYS, MODE CON ... and just left COUNTRY=49,850, C:\DOS\COUNTRY.SYS in my start-up files. It made the date/time look more european (DD.MM.YY instead of MM/DD/YY, which is so mixed up... [:-)] ) That's COUNTRY stuff, yes. I figured that it doesn't make sense to waste memory for german translations when most of the programs were running in english language anyway. So, yes, it is very complex and confusing... The idea is that after you've load it all (DISPLAY, KEYB, NLSFUNC, ...), your only had to work it out with CHCP: CHCP 850 Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Cyrillic charset.
Hello, 2008/10/1 Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! 1) I have discover strange behaviour in the 'FreeDOS Edit 0.7d'. When I type cyrillic 'п' (hex AF), then 'п' will disapper and 1-5 following symbols will stay invisible. I have a suggested patch for that but you can use it for EDIT 0.9 not for EDIT 0.7 now ;-). Please do the following: Edit the dflat.h file and modify the following two lines: If you read the release notes, EDIT 0.9a does already have your patch, so easiest thing: just use EDIT 0.9a. Regards, Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Cyrillic charset.
Hello, #define CHANGECOLOR (unsigned char) 19 /* prefix to change colors (old: 174) */ #define RESETCOLOR (unsigned char) 23 /* reset colors to default (old: 175) */ no need to make PR, but just have in mind that for users it is far easier to use binaries rather than compiling themselves. Aitor 2008/10/2 Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Aitor, I have a suggested patch for that but you can use it for EDIT 0.9 not for EDIT 0.7 now ;-). Please do the following: Edit the dflat.h file and modify the following two lines: If you read the release notes, EDIT 0.9a does already have your patch, so easiest thing: just use EDIT 0.9a. Nice, but which of the two suggested settings did you select? :-) Of course you are right, people with old EDIT problems should use a newer EDIT before complaining about the old one, and I should make more PR for the new EDIT, sorry about neglegting that... Eric - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] invalid opcode when loading mode
Hello, 2008/9/21 Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: prompt $p$g set path=a:\dos set NLSPATH=A:\DOS\NLS set LANG=PT lh DISPLAY CON=(VGA,,1) Maybe vga,437,1 instead? LH makes no sense without emm386... I don't see in what sense will notifying that his machine is codepage 437 help out. From his AUTOEXEC he does not seem to be using codepage 437 at all, but 850 (unless in later operation he performs a codepage select of 437, that would, with his configuration, fail otherwise). I wouldn't use LH, because it is highly unlikely that you'll have an UMB as big as for almost the 64KB that DISPLAY needs to run (because it does not know beforehand how many buffers you'll need), even if after running it just uses about 11Kb (9Kb of which are data). mode con codepage prepare=((850) a:\dos\ega.cpx) mode con codepage select=850 a:\doskeyb br,850,a:\dos\keyboard.sys /ID:275 Try MKEYB instead, just in case. ??? Where do you see the hint that KEYB is behind this? He mentions that it is after he loads FDAPM. Wouldn't it be more sensible to advice him NOT TO USE an unstable kernel? In NONE of the reports so far such crashes have ever been reported as s bug of KEYB. Sincerely, Eric, I think it does not good to the project that whenever there's a problem you just suggest to use the programs that you prefer just in case, first of all because there is no relation between the bug reported and the programs you mention, and second, because you are bringing suspicion to programs to which you do not have a solid argument. From his configuration, he is configuring a codepage. The difference between FD-KEYB and MKEYB is precisely the support for the codepage management (present in FD-KEYB) as opposed to the smallest size of MKEYB. Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BIOS services
Hello, 2008/9/28 Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Aitor, Hans, a 286 or newer processor). If EDIT or KEYB fail on your 80186, try EDIT 0.7d and MKEYB, which should work even on 8086. Or use no keyboard driver at all (if you use US keyboard layout). Let us know if you find other programs which do not work on 80186 processors. FD-KEYB is supposed to work on 8088 (although not reports yet), where MKEYB does NOT, because MKEYB relies on some BIOS int15h... Oops sorry I remembered KEYB and MKEYB exactly the wrong way round! Thanks for letting us know that EDIT 0.9a is compiled for 8086 :-) I did not mean to make your programs bad - more trying to say if X should fail, you could try Y instead... What made you suppose that EDIT 0.9a was not compiled for 8086? Amongst the different options you have your favourites (JEMM over FD-EMM, MKEYB over FD-KEYB, etc) and such. What is dangerous is that you barely say: these are my favourites, but these are the ones you must use. At times, even not being real what you say, as was the case. Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Cyrillic charset.
Hello Alain, You'll have to recompile EDIT for that (but not DFlat+). I think all you'd need is at menus.c from EDIT. So you'll have to pick DFlat+ binaries, EDIT sources, make the change and recompile. Let me know if that troubles you. Aitor 2008/10/2 Alain M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Aitor, How difficult is it to change menu and controlkeys in Edir 0.9 to mimic M$ Edit in Portuguese? Alain Aitor Santamaría escreveu: Hello, 2008/10/1 Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! 1) I have discover strange behaviour in the 'FreeDOS Edit 0.7d'. When I type cyrillic 'п' (hex AF), then 'п' will disapper and 1-5 following symbols will stay invisible. I have a suggested patch for that but you can use it for EDIT 0.9 not for EDIT 0.7 now ;-). Please do the following: Edit the dflat.h file and modify the following two lines: If you read the release notes, EDIT 0.9a does already have your patch, so easiest thing: just use EDIT 0.9a. Regards, Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] invalid opcode when loading mode
Hello, 2008/10/4 Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From his AUTOEXEC he does not seem to be using codepage 437 at all, but 850 As far as I understood, the number mentioned when you load DISPLAY is about the hardware codepage, not about the codepage loaded by DISPLAY...? Yes I wouldn't use LH, because it is highly unlikely that you'll have an UMB as big as for almost the 64KB that DISPLAY needs to run (because it does not know beforehand how many buffers you'll need), even if after running it just uses about 11Kb (9Kb of which are data). I believe it always needs only 11 kB as long as it has enough XMS to put those 64 kB? So and if you do not have XMS, you also have no UMB... What I am trying to suggest: If DISPLAY does not say to DOS (via the DISPLAY exe header) that it needs 64 kB then it will still work: Because either you have UMB - then you probably also have XMS - or you do not have UMB - then you load DISPLAY into low DOS memory which is almost always 400 kB or more :-). Sorry, no. I'm not writing software that works based on some probable supositions, but based on what DOS tells me at runtime. We have written millions of lines in private mails, and basically I am tired of this topic. The conclusion is: I am not going to make DISPLAY fail in certain circumstances it shouldn't, even if they affect the least of the users. I don't want to continue on this topic. Please Eric, do not follow-up. From his configuration, he is configuring a codepage. The difference between FD-KEYB and MKEYB is precisely the support for the codepage management (present in FD-KEYB) as opposed to the smallest size of MKEYB. Hmmm okay. You mean when using CHCP? But if you do use CHCP No. You can always use MODE CON CP SELECT. Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS viruses? Please send info
In that aspect, FreeDOS should not behave different from MS-DOS, so any info about MS-DOS will do. Aitor 2008/10/17 Alexandru Fira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please tell me, is Freedos vulnerable to DOS viruses ? Please point me to a site where I could find DOS viruses ! I would like to play with them in Dosbox under Linux Mint Alex __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Cyrillic charset.
Hello, 2008/10/17 Eric Auer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: the BIOS will never return E0 as the char code AL is the ASCII value, AH is the scan code. And in my tests, the cursor keys returned ASCII E0, scancode depending on key so E0 can be returned. Special key combos such as right alt q (altgr-q in qwertz: @ sign) return ASCII 0, scancode depending on key if no German keyboard driver is loaded... So what is CON supposed to return when a cursor key is pressed? In the current kernel, the keypress is ignored, I would say. The same that MS-DOS CON device does... Aitor - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Problems after adding more RAM
Hello, 2009/2/4 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: FreeDOS KEYB 2.0 (pre4) Critical error: cannot allocate memory. DOS reported error: 8 For DISPLAY, you would expect XMS to be used, but for KEYB? That is MCB allocate, function 48h. Used to allocate data in an independent MCB block, so that KEYB is made independent from the problem by which you load a second keyboard layout which is bigger than the first one. I see you're also using 2.0-pre4, somewhat old. Anyway, I recommend forthcomming KEYB 2.01, which fixes several bugs (just in case). Aitor -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] patents - was: LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?
But then it wouldn't be compatible with the LFN that came with Windows9X and is used in the millions of USB devices or the like, nor with the applications that are LFN-aware (unless you'd like to rewrite the DOS LFN API descript.ion-based... Aitor 2009/4/2 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi! So why cant we just create a database/table - file that allows lookup in a second area, either a file on the hard drive or a separate partition. then based on the file/directory ID and store that in the database table completely separate from the FAT if we don't touch fat it should be fine. If we are using a different method and system we are safe. In reality, though, linux filesystem drivers have been using this method of accessing/writing long filenames for years; if Microsoft were to go after an operating system, it would be linux first. And as Eric pointed out to me, they seem to go more after embedded devices that use long filenames on FAT filesystems. So really, I don't think there's anything to worry about. I think a descript.ion file based driver to support long file names would be a fine idea indeed :-). And it would avoid the ugly kludgy way in which MS stores LFN spread over multiple directory entries. Eric -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Installing programs on FreeDOS v1.1
Hello, I think that it's a good idea overall that one can decide the folder where one can install the big programs, as could be to have a OpenWatcom or FreePascal distribution, whereas the single-binary ones (or equally smaller) should be merged into the freedos\bin directory. 2009/4/6 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: devel - mostly compilers and libraries, several could go into global lib/ and compile/ directories and a few big ones would have their own directory, eg watcom What would that global lib/ folder be about? If it is about storing LIB files, I remind you that we (or more specifically, you) voted against having FREEDOS\LIB for such thing long ago (whereas I lined for and lost), with the argument that such stuff should go preferably uncompiled, and in any case under SOURCE folder. ;) In any case, I don't think it's a good idea for devel stuff: if it's a small compiler, such as NASM, UPX, then it can fit in \freedos\bin. As for the big ones (e.g. OpenWatcom), they need not be treated different from any other big stuff (like Arachne). Cheers, Aitor -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] What about changing our packaging style for v1.1?
Hello, I strongly suggest to look for a way to exclude with unzip the extracting of the sources on a binary-only install mode. Just another small pro: we have one more letter in the file names (for those of us who care about the 8.3 format in the package names). And just another idea (maybe for the wiki too, if everyone likes it): if such option exists in unzip, then I suggest for all programs using cats/kitten to store their catalog in a per-language basis, so that the installer can simply drop the directories of the unwanted languages. E.g.: NLS\EN NLS\DE NLS\ES NLS\FR ... Cheers, Aitor 2009/4/9 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi Jim :-)) On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: Hi people! So far, we have always used packaging sources and binaries differently (that is, in separate packages, like memx.zip and mems.zip). I am trying to put some effort these days into syncing some packages to make them ready for v1.1, and I have to tell that handling sources and binaries in different ways is a big pain. Besides that, the source package doesn't contain its own LSM file, which makes its hard (or at least unreliable) to keep track of what source is installed in what version. Therefore, I am proposing to drop the sources / binaries way of thinking, and stay with one package per program. For example, a mem.zip package would contain both sources and binaries. It would allow me to work much faster on packaging, and hopefully could lead to a v1.1 sooner. Some reasons to do that (quotes from Eric): - it is easy to delete /source/mem/* to keep only binaries, - it is not really allowed with GNU GPL License to publish binaries without sources anyway, - it can be hard for people to find exactly the right version of the sources manually later, so it is best to include them, - it makes life easier for installing and you can always drop the sources after installing. Please tell me what are your opinions in that matter. Jim Hall wrote: These days, hard drives have lots of capacity. While including the sources would add to the size, we're talking on the order of MB, not GB. Including the source and binaries together certainly provides that every program in the FreeDOS 1.1 distro also includes the source code. I am a big fan of this. Thanks :-) I think it will make packaging easier... On the other hand, I would suggest two things: A binary-only install mode in FDPKG / FDUPDATE / installer which simply skips the source/NAME dir while unzipping (or deletes it afterwards) and a binary-only ISO for people with slow internet, as generated by dropping the source directories inside the package zip files. In short: Let us COLLECT all packages as FULL packages (binary AND source) for most purposes and use AUTOMATED ways to shrink full into binary for people with small disk or small internet :-). Can you put this in the FreeDOS Wiki, so people don't have to revisit this topic again in a year after we've forgotten? :-) Sounds useful - if anybody needs a wiki login, let me know ;-) Eric -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS localisation project
Mateusz, it gives me a 404, did you manage to add it to the wiki, do you have editor permissions already? Aitor 2009/4/4 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net: Hi all! It has been a long time that the poor translation management was bothering me. There is no easy way to know what needs to be translated, and what is already translated but not shipped with the package for whatever reason. I worked a moment today on a new project: The FreeDOS localisation project: http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdlang/ I think that such centralized translation point could greatly improve FreeDOS translations, as people would know exactly what has to be translated, where to check wheter any translations for a given program has been made, and where to send any self-made translations. Don't hesitate to send me any translations you have, which aren't listed on my website! Best regards, Mateusz Viste -- You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FDUPDATE crash
Hello, 2009/4/9 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: MS DOS 6.22 has a tool that graphically shows a representation of memory, I think it was called msd. Is there an equivalent for freedos? There are various tools for that, a nice one is Quarterdeck MFT Manifest which is now freeware. Unfortunately I cannot find any URL as Quarterdeck got bought by Symantec. FreeDOS replacement for MSD used to be COMPINFO, but I ignore the status of that project. Aitor -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] patents - was: LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?
Eric, what I meant is: see how many people writes to us telling that the MS-DOS-style MENUing in CONFIG.SYS does not work in FreeDOS, so I guess we would be flooded with messages like: I wrote with LFNs to a disk, and Windows no longer recognises the filenames, and has the FILE4~1.TXT form instead. Aitor 2009/4/9 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi Aitor, But then it wouldn't be compatible with the LFN that came with Windows9X and is used in the millions of USB devices or the like, nor with the applications that are LFN-aware (unless you'd like to rewrite the DOS LFN API descript.ion-based... ... I think a descript.ion file based driver to support long file names would be a fine idea indeed :-). And it would avoid the ugly kludgy way in which MS stores LFN spread over multiple directory entries. Well actually that is what I meant - descript.ion is a classic for some shells and file managers, but it is also a nice way to store long file names in filesystem independent way and without having to implement any kludgy patented VFAT style LFN storage. With a driver showing the usual int 21 LFN interface to the apps but using descript.ion instead of LFN fragment direntry chains for the actual LFN storage, we can have more free, more open and more portable long file names :-). On the down side, the driver will not read or write VFAT LFNs for you, so if you want to let Windows and DOS access the same drive, you would not share LFNs. This includes USB drives and MP3 player devices and similar, but not for example CD / DVD which use non-VFAT LFNs anyway for which DOS uses separate drivers anyway... In short: If you want VFAT then the only way to get it is to use VFAT, but that might have licensing issues if you use DOS in your embedded device. If you only want LFN, you can get it even in a way that makes LFN DOS apps happy without having to touch VFAT data structures, using a descript.ion based LFN API driver :-). Eric -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Compressed folders?
Besides the idea is completely other (and not bad at all, if you ask me). Appart from realtime compression, I think you save a lot from the variable-sectors-per-cluster approach... (Just the reason why a file of 1 byte of size may get compressed on a 1:32 ratio ;) ). Aitor 2009/4/12 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoubleSpace Note also that I have FreeDOS installed on a SD card in my PDA. Not sure these hard disk utilities will work in this case. Those tools use the standard Int13h interface. So they don't care about SD or CF... On the other hand, DoubleSpace is old and might have no support for LBA or for disks about N GB where N is a very small number... And of course DoubleSpace is not freeware. Eric -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New problems with Windows 3.1...
Eric, was the windows (partial) support ever ported to the stable kernel? (maybe that's why). Aitor 2009/4/12 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi, Not workgroup. If I don't load emm386.exe, freedos version, I get an error that I have an unsupported dos version. If I try loading windows 3.1 in standard mode, I get an error that there isn't enough extended memory. Did you try using jemm386 instead? And of course: Maybe you do not have too little but too much memory? Himemx and jemm386 support command line options to limit the amount of memory visible to DOS and Windows :-) Do not forget to try DOS=HIGH or DOS=HIGH,UMB or other settings. Eric -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Abandonware site...
Hello, 2009/4/13 Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com: know of. Technically, if the author of a proprietary program doesn't care about it anymore, sharing it isn't a legal problem. That is plain wrong. Many old games are back-to-life thanks to mobile phones, and it just evidences that the authors keep the copyright even if it becomes unused. infringement. IMO, Microsoft should not have a copyright on software it has abandoned that it doesn't support anymore, but it just doesn't work that way. Sadly, the ReactOS Here you go. It does not work that way. If an old software program that the author doesn't care about is a dos program and there are no free alternatives that are comparable, downloading it is ethical. It is especially ethical if you have fried installation media sitting on the shelf for it. Then maybe you should vote for someone that shares your view on it. But until that happens, either it is ethical or not for you it is illegal. And what is worse: it is useless and dangerous, as we don't ever want to get involved with warez or any other similar alternative at all. Jim Hall, you are coming down awfully hard on me for mentioning Vetusware and I think you should step back and think long and hard about that. I appropriately mentioned I disagree. If you read the message carefully, I think it was extremely polite, yet crystal clear. There's nothing to apologise for. Do you really want to send the message to people that freedos is not to be used to run commercial software? I don't know how this relates to the rest of the mail. But just to say the last word about this thread: please avoid warez, sources and links to any other illegal activities. Thanks. Aitor -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS localisation project
Ok, I've seen it now, looks good! I can give you editor permissions, I think it's just enough to tell me your sourceforge username... Aitor 2009/4/16 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net: On Thursday 16 April 2009 04:58 (CEST), Aitor Santamaría wrote: Mateusz, it gives me a 404, did you manage to add it to the wiki, do you have editor permissions already? Hi! No, not yet. You indeed got a 404, as it seems I forgot to sync the fdlang directory to my new (temporary) server (the whole story is that I am moving to another house, so I am playing with my web services a lot to make them still available). I have put it back right now - check again ;-) As for the wiki, I do not have any editor's rights on it, and I wonder how could I (easily) sync it with my server... Best regards, Mateusz Viste 2009/4/4 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net: Hi all! It has been a long time that the poor translation management was bothering me. There is no easy way to know what needs to be translated, and what is already translated but not shipped with the package for whatever reason. I worked a moment today on a new project: The FreeDOS localisation project: http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/fdlang/ I think that such centralized translation point could greatly improve FreeDOS translations, as people would know exactly what has to be translated, where to check wheter any translations for a given program has been made, and where to send any self-made translations. Don't hesitate to send me any translations you have, which aren't listed on my website! Best regards, Mateusz Viste -- You'll find my public OpenPGP key at http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/pub_key -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] getting applications working
Hello, 2009/6/6 LM lme...@yahoo.com: I had to run the install CD twice to get FreeDOS installed on the hard drive. The first time, I tried to pick an image on bootup and the system locked up. Second time, I left it as default. I guess I'm not very familiar with the programs that installed with FreeDOS (other than the basic DOS stuff), because I got on and wasn't sure where to get started. I have a large cabinet full of legacy hardware and software, so I decided perhaps I should go back to the programs on DOS I'm most familiar with just to get going. My experience was that about half of the ones i tried on FreeDOS worked. to pick an image on bootup, what do you mean? WordPerfect 6.0 appears to work fine. Was very happy to see that. My favorite DOS programming editor (ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/editor/edwin15c.zip) fails and won't run. Has anyone been able to get edwin working on FreeDOS? A pitty that garbo seems to be unreachable from here right now, if someone knows of an alternative download site... Aitor -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] getting applications working
Hello, 2009/6/13 dos386 dos...@gmail.com: Notable things: edit buggy (some PC's) Can you post any more information about those bugs? If you refer to the cursor blinking bug that was supposed to appear on 0.9a, so far I only know of a single PC of a single user where this bug appears (apparently the user had some problem with his BIOS). Frankly in my opinion the mouse pointer has always blinked too much (in ALL versions of EDIT), and it is in my todo list (of short-term changes). Any other bug reports are appreciated. Aitor -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] getting applications working
Hello, 2009/6/14 dos386 dos...@gmail.com: Hi! buggy (some PC's) Who what where? RTFB ... mouse cursor invisible on some PC's some? Do you have evidences of it to happen in more than ONE PC where it was discovered? Aitor -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] De-Geekifying This List (Was: Some Simple List Rules)
Hello Mike, Thanks for writing and expressing your opinion. In fact, I think you brought an interesting topic that is also of my concern. When the freedos-user list was created, it was indeed created as a list for those users that need not have knowledge about the internals of FreeDOS itself in order to use it. So far, the facts that I have experienced are: (a) Much of the traffic has switched from freedos-devel to freedos-user. In some cases it is a correct movement, as we could seldomly see that inexperienced users asked simple FreeDOS ussage question in a list that was supposed to be to discuss internalities of FreeDOS development. (b) At times, the replies are quite technical or advanced (or geek), far more than the original question. At times I have tried in the past to move those to the freedos-devel, but that proved to be helpless. (c) In most times, a simple question produced a complex/geek answer, but was appropriate to the geekness level that the person who asked expected. (d) At times, a simple question produced a complex/geek answer, that the person who asked did not understand, but didn't dare/bother to ask for more help. In the understanding that there should be a chance for both types of users, I propose the following two options: just let me know what you think, and I'll run the administrative stuff: (1) Create a new mailing list called freedos-advanced aimed to the advanced users, and leave this one for the basic users. (2) Create a new mailing list called freedos-basic aimed to the basic users, and leave this one for the advanced users. In both cases, I should advise that, (a) in the basic users list, technicalities should be left appart as much as possible, in the understanding that the user there must not necessarily be an IT-PC-super-expert. (b) if a user expects a more detailed answer on certain topic, (s)he should turn to the advanced list and ask there. The traffic should not change, as it's just more a question of knowing the degree of detail that the user needs. And freedos-devel is not changed/affected in any way. Cheers, Aitor 2009/6/21 Mike Webb weeble7...@gmail.com: From: Pat Villani p...@monmouth.com Subject: [Freedos-user] Some simple list rules Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:46 AM 1. Please remember that this is a users mailing list. Many of these folks are non technical and may not under- stand the ramifications of what they are asking for. Pat, as a person who's been following this list for some time, I'm not sure that the purpose you've mentioned is being adhered to all that well. I have been a power user since the days when DOS was cool, and a lot of the posts still go over my head like a roof. Discussions of compiling, listings of scripts (config.sys settings?) that are far more complicated than I've ever used and many more things give me the impression that this is much more of a Freedos-Geeks list than a Freedos-User list. I just went to the Freedos site, the Wiki and the How-To pages and am still about as baffled as to how to make Freedos work for me as I have been all along. The impression I have (despite the statement that Freedos can pretty much run any software designed for MS-DOS) is that the kind of system I used as a 100% DOS user would not work, but requires a lot more stuff in the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. Let me give as an example a basic CONFIG/AUTOEXEC setup for MS-DOS (5.x and higher); CONFIG.SYS: device=HIMEM.SYS device=EMM386.EXE files=40 buffers=40 devicehigh=NANSI.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT: @echo off cls prompt $p$g path=C:\;C:\DOS;C:\BAT;C:\UTIL lh SMARTDRV.EXE 2048 cls c: cd \ ver (I've probably forgotten something; it's been quite awhile since I've written these files from scratch; or tinkered with them at all, for that matter.) I found nothing in the HOWTOs on the order of Freedos for Dummies or Freedos for experienced MS-DOS Users. I honestly don't know what I could reasonably expect to do in a Freedos environment, using this configuration that would work just fine in an MS-DOS environment. If there are samples of basic CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files lurking around, I can't readily find them. And if I can't find them, people with even less knowledge aren't going to, either. I wish I could offer to pitch in on the kinds of things that I see are needed, but it's beyond my reach at this time. Plus, considering all the gobbledygook I read here, I'm not even sure where I'd begin. All I can say is that for Freedos' sake, whatever effort some of y'all can make to set out a welcome mat that explains the differences between MS-DOS and FreeDOS, particularly as far as configuration goes and how to resolve issues involving common programs that don't quite run as-is under Freedos would be very much appreciated, I believe. Thanks for listening. -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the
Re: [Freedos-user] Lindin - a FreeDOS installer script for Linux
Hello!! Apparently, the downloads link is broken, right? I thought you would want to know about it.. Aitor 2009/4/28 maybeway36 maybewa...@gmail.com: My newest project is Lindin, the LINux Dos INstaller (typical Linux-style ridiculous acronym.) It is a shell script using dialog (or zenity, a GUI equivalent of dialog) to install FreeDOS 1.0 + FDUPDATE updates onto a FAT partition. The site is at http://lindin.tuxfamily.org/. I released version 1.0 last week, but haven't gotten around to sending an announcement to this list until now. There are .deb packages, .rpm packages, and a .lzm module available. If you are using .deb or .rpm, grab lindin, freedos-base, and freedos-updates. Lindin can work without freedos-base and download the packages instead, but without freedos-updates, they'll be the old packages from 2006. The .lzm module is designed for Slax, and can really come in handy if you have a Slax CD and need to install FreeDOS for some reason. If you have Linux, try it out (in a VM, probably) and tell me what you think. It's still a work in progress. -maybeway36 -- Register Now Save for Velocity, the Web Performance Operations Conference from O'Reilly Media. Velocity features a full day of expert-led, hands-on workshops and two days of sessions from industry leaders in dedicated Performance Operations tracks. Use code vel09scf and Save an extra 15% before 5/3. http://p.sf.net/sfu/velocityconf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Thank you to kernel developers for new kernel 2038
The kernel files are now mirrored to ibiblio: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/kernel/2038/kernel2038-fat16-binary.zip http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/kernel/2038/kernel2038-fat32-binary.zip http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/kernel/2038/kernel2038-source.zip Thanks to kernel developers for this important release! Aitor 2009/6/13 Pat Villani p...@monmouth.com: I would like to thank all the folks who have worked very hard to produce this latest kernel. Their effort is very much appreciated by myself and all the people who continue to use FreeDOS in various applications. I am looking forward to using this new kernel and updating the distribution. Pat -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Announcement: New DOS USB Drivers (fwd)
Bonnie, I see in his page that the source code is provided, but would you know what the license may be? Also can someone give some feedback on how they are working for you? Thanks! Aitor 2009/7/1 Bonnie Dalzell bdalz...@qis.net: When I was doing some help type work tracking down documentation and sources utilities for Freedos I wrote this programmer about some of his drivers - so he forwarded this announcement to me about his new DOS USB drivers. I hope this is of interest to the Freedos community. ~~~ Bonnie Dalzell, MA mail:5100 Hydes Rd PO Box 60, Hydes,MD,USA 21082-0060|EMAIL:bdalz...@qis.net freelance anatomist, vertebrate paleontologist, writer, illustrator, dog breeder, computer nerd iconoclast... Borzoi info at www.borzois.com. Editor Net.Pet Online Animal Magazine - http://www.netpetmagazine.com HOME http://www.qis.net/~borzoi/ BUSINESS http://www.batw.com -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:49:53 GMT From: Bret Johnson bretj...@juno.com To: bretj...@juno.com Subject: Announcement: New DOS USB Drivers Good day to you. My name is Bret Johnson, and I write DOS TSR programs. I am sending this e-mail to you because you have contacted me in the past regarding at least one of my DOS programs, and I thought you might be interested in knowing that I have just released some DOS USB drivers for testing. These drivers are completely different (and hopefully better) than any other DOS USB drivers that are currently available. There are drivers for USB keyboards, mice, joysticks, printers, and disk drives. Unfortunately, the the drivers have some limitations, and may not work with your current hardware. They host drivers will currently only work with USB host controllers that use the UHCI protocol, which are made by Intel and Via Technologies. Support for other host controller manufacturers will be added in the future. If you're interested, please go to my web site (http://bretjohnson.us), download the files, and let me know what you think. If you're not interested, I apologize for the inconvenience. Please let me know if you want me to remove you from my contact list regarding DOS programs. Thank you very much, Bret Johnson http://bretjohnson.us -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Two non-bug reports.
Hi, 2009/7/4 Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.de: First non-bug: LFN-EN utilities don't work with my FAT32 partition under FreeDOS. After examining the source code, it turns out that the logic was coded in 1999 when the only DOS that could handle FAT32 was MS-DOS. When run under FreeDOS, the utilities assume no FAT32 support, so they misidentify the partition as FAT12. For test purposes, I made a version that accepted the vendor byte FD (FreeDOS) instead of FF (MS-DOS) and it worked, but anything used in production would have to use a different method to determine whether FAT32 is supported (FreeDOS comes both ways, and there are several DOSses today that support FAT32.) There is similar logic that determines which versions of DOS require volume locking (MS-DOS 7 or later.) Fortunately the LFN-EN utilities are open source, so someone could fix this. A reliable FAT32 test method is to check whether a common subfunction of Interrupt 21h, Function 73h (FAT32 extensions) is supported. I disregard any method that works per DOS version. Users apparently don't want technical details on the Freedos-user list however. I don't think so: some want, some do not. The question is that currently there's no way to know about it. So I am almost decided to create that freedos-basic list, so that technical details can run here as usual. Cheers, Aitor -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Two non-bug reports.
Christian, don't get me wrong, I very much appreciate yours (and those of many people) when it gets technical. I just don't know if plain FreeDOS users end up getting a simple question when they are looking for it. Anyway, not many people answered, so perhaps my appreciation is wrong and everything is correct as it is. Aitor 2009/7/5 Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.de: Users apparently don't want technical details on the Freedos-user list however. I don't think so: some want, some do not. The question is that currently there's no way to know about it. So I am almost decided to create that freedos-basic list, so that technical details can run here as usual. The solution is much easier - discuss technical details on freedos-devel and basic things on freedos-user as usual. Maybe recently more people discussed technical details on freedos-user because there is more activity there than on freedos-devel? Of course this should not be a reason to migrate threads or even start yet another list... ;-). Often threads started normal on Freedos-user but the discussion got technical later on. I don't want to be accused of geekifying anyone's list, so I'll simply stop writing any answers here that might be useful to developers for fixing the problem. Good that I'll never have to provide a user mailing list for my software. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Whatever happened to freedos-32?
Hi, Well, at least while those fancy 64-bit processors start at 16-bit, and have a 32-bit mode that can run tasks in the V86 mode, we are safe. I wonder, however, what will happen once Microsoft start releasing Windows only in the x64 flavour (and drop the x86), and something happens about our old 16-bit BIOS (EFI?). Regards, Aitor 2009/8/13 King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com: As far as I can tell, the last commit in the SVN for the project was in 2007, so it's either abandoned, in hiatus, or going so slowly that no commits have been pushed through in the last two years. Remaking the FreeDOS kernel to be 32-bit might be rather significant, or even to 64-bit, since we are starting to see quite a few 64-bit processors. The only problem with a 64-bit FreeDOS kernel is figuring out how to deal with 16-bit applications. I'd say the best option would be to add a driver/module that would do the exact same thing as user-mode QEMU on Linux: emulate a processor and load it in a hybrid environment. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: There was an effort to create a 32 bit version of freedos with memory protection and possibly some other features. What is happening with this project? I'm just curious is all. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Fwd: XST Basic
Hello guys, It seems we have available a new open source BASIC tool (interpreter?). I would like to know if any of you could give some feedback on it, try it (maybe compare with other BASIC tools), as I am not very familiar with BASIC tools nowadays. I'll be looking for your comments. UltraBas, in order for XST Basic to be included, we would also need an LSM entry for it (see http://www.freedos.org/freedos/software/ ). Many thanks for your interest in FreeDOS! Regards, Aitor -- Forwarded message -- From: UltraBas angro...@users.sourceforge.net Date: 2009/8/24 Subject: XST Basic To: aito...@users.sourceforge.net Cc: angro...@users.sourceforge.net Message body follows: The XST Basic, written by Rodney Mc Connell, is now open source. Source code is at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xstbasic/ Original site was at: http://www.geocities.com/snakessoft/vault.html Maybe, it could be for FreeDos what Qbasic was for MS-DOS: an user- friendly programming environment, suitable for mini-games development -- This message has been sent to you, a registered SourceForge.net user, by another site user, through the SourceForge.net site. This message has been delivered to your SourceForge.net mail alias. You may reply to this message using the Reply feature of your email client, or using the messaging facility of SourceForge.net at: https://sourceforge.net/sendmessage.php?touser=1266394 -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XST Basic
Oops, that is what I was looking for, Eric. Did anyone in the list had the chance to give a try too? Sounds like a good candidate for another BASIC tool... Aitor 2009/8/27 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi everybody, Angelo Rosina writes about a BASIC for DOS, forwarding some info from him :-) Should we add XST to our freedos.org software collection and/or the distro? :-) Eric Since XST is compiled with DJGPP, it's hardware requirements are almost the same of FreeBasic FreeBasic (FB) and XST Basic are different products, with different targets. FB is a true compiler; XST is an interpreter + a C emitter (it cannot directly compile, but can convert the source into a C code that can be compiled) FB has a QB compatible mode; XST is more based on AMOS and STOS Basic (for Amiga and Atari ST) FB is a generic, all-purposes language; XST is focused on multimedia and game development (even a very good Doom clone is available in demos) FB can be extended with external libraries; XST already has graphic, sprites, 3D and sound support. FB can only compile, you have to use an external editor (i.e. RHIDE); XST has its own IDE, where you can write and instantly run your program. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. The XST Basic, written by Rodney Mc Connell, is now open source. Source code is at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xstbasic/ Original site was at: http://www.geocities.com/snakessoft/vault.html -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Driver Problems
Hi, About the screen problem: I don't know that model, but in earlier laptops, text mode wouldn't fill the whole screen (pixels weren't expanded), and that may be the reason of your problem. Under Linux, many text modes are actually graphic modes (framebuffers and such), and not pure BIOS text modes, have you tried, for example, wether it happens with MS-DOS (or Win9x/ME bootdisk...). Aitor 2009/8/27 ron3090 onua...@gmail.com: I have an old Dell Latitude CPi A Laptop that has Puppy and FreeDOS installed on it. Puppy works fine, sound and full video. But FreeDOS has problems. First, there is no sound, which I've heard is common. According to the Dell website, the sound controller is a NeoMagic 2200 AC97 Codec which is of the type Sound Blaster Emulation. Yet the sound doesn't work. I don't know the first thing about FreeDOS, other than how to navigate to my games. How do I get sound working? Second, but not as important, is that the video does not fill up the whole screen. Once again, I'm assuming this has something to do with the drivers. It is a NeoMagic 2200. Lastly, I'd like to be able to use my USB drive with FreeDOS. I installed DosUSB, and the drive lights up after I run the program. How do I access the drive? Hoping for an answer, ron3090 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Driver-Problems-tp25163496p25163496.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] keyb and freedos
Sorry, I was wrong. The problem is with the syntax: drop the 'CP' letters: keyb UK,858,keyboard.sys Regards, Aitor El día 11 de septiembre de 2009 15:48, Aitor Santamaría aitor...@gmail.com escribió: Roberto, I gor your mail but am quite busy this week. The person that may easily help would be Henrique Peron (for knowledge). Regards, Aitor 2009/9/11 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi Roberto, I am no expert for KEYB, but even if Aitor is too busy to answer, I am sure somebody on freedos-user can help you :-) Eric Roberto iw2evk tiscali.it wrote: I've written to Aitor Santamarino without result so I write you... I want install keyb UK with CP858 (euro sign). I tried keyb UK,CP858 ,,keyboard.sys but does not work... I've added the path to keyboard.sys but failed... What is the right command? Many thanks in advance Roberto iw2ek -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] keyb and freedos
Roberto, I gor your mail but am quite busy this week. The person that may easily help would be Henrique Peron (for knowledge). Regards, Aitor 2009/9/11 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de: Hi Roberto, I am no expert for KEYB, but even if Aitor is too busy to answer, I am sure somebody on freedos-user can help you :-) Eric Roberto iw2evk tiscali.it wrote: I've written to Aitor Santamarino without result so I write you... I want install keyb UK with CP858 (euro sign). I tried keyb UK,CP858 ,,keyboard.sys but does not work... I've added the path to keyboard.sys but failed... What is the right command? Many thanks in advance Roberto iw2ek -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Malware5.
Kurt, I usually send such zip files renamed to .aaa and bypasses that annoyance. Just make sure to tell the picker to do the rename Back ;) Aitor 2009/9/17, kurt godel wb2...@gmail.com: I just tried sending two versions to Pat, one the suspect tarball, the other an 'rar' type file; the gmail accepted the rar but rejected the tarball, saying; this file contains an executable and is not allowed; both the rar and the tarball contain executables? they both have them encapsulated in compression files, yet the gmail balks at one and not the other? --kurtwb2...@gmail.com. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Malware 5.5.
Ok, just a suggestion, as apparently works for me as .aaa, or at least did the last time I tried :) Aitor 2009/10/1, kurt godel wb2...@gmail.com: Aitor, thanks, but I already tried that with Pat; the gmail catches it even with the rename!. kurtwb2...@gmail.com. -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
