Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: The three peaces for the QuickSilver should be: * the processor daughter card (riser card, processor module) * the cooling fan and * the heatsink. For the cooling fan you should be able to use the one that is still in your QuickSilver. I think it is the same for all the processors. This is true ... the Quicksilver fan units are all the same. This was not true of the Digital Audios, for example, as each processor type required its own fan module type. The processor daugther card and the heatsink are a unit when assembled, but the original apple processor cards are build so that you need to install the processor first, and then you are able to place the heatsink on it with the latches engaged. In a Quicksilver, as in a Digital Audio, the heatsink must meet several requirements: 1) the heat transfer pad must be directly above the processor die or dies, and 2) the cooling fins must accommodate the VRM (voltage regulator module) choke coil, and any other components which are above the seating plane of the processor. This means that a DA or QS processor should never be bought (nor sold) without the heatsink with which it originally came. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.8
10.5.8 was successfully applied to my Shuttle SP35P2 system this afternoon. Intel P35 Express MCH chip set with an ICH9R ICH chip set and, in this case, an eVGA 8400GS 512 MB video card. Not wanting to be exposed to yet another flawed update from Apple, I elected to manually download the 10.5.8 Combo Update, and then execute it manually, not automatically. The audio and networking support changed yet again. I have provided the same ALC888 codec dump and Taruga's 1.20 patcher. It must be installed again in order to enable audio on a Hack. I have also provided a patched version of the 10.5.8 IONetworkingFamily kext, with updates to the Marvell gigabit support, only. It must be installed again using kexthelper on a Hack. But, the good news is these appear to be the only issues with 10.5.8. I will be retaining 10.5.7 on my alternate boot partition for several working days, after which I will in all likelihood be cloning the alternate from the main. I will be immediately installing 10.5.8 on my dual 1.0 GHz DA, but obviously without the Shuttle updates. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 750GB Seagate PATA is Dropping Out Again
On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: ST3750640A 7200.10 750GB It's a decent series of drives. I believe the HDA unit is the same between ATA (suffix A) and SATA (suffix AS). The logic board is where there is a difference. The 640 indicates the basic model, and I have had good luck with 640s. I've used the ATA version in Hackintoshes, but I now prefer my Hacks to be all-SATA. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?
On Jul 27, 2009, at 12:42 PM, mkehoe wrote: Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867? I would like to create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G. Use CCC, and you should be good to go. The MDD has no issues with LBA48, and CCC can clone to a larger drive. If you get the CCC message with the green dot which says target will be made bootable you should get an exact clone of your source, and you should be able to physically exchange the drives and reboot back into what you had before. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Question
On Jul 26, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: I am purchasing the following: Quicksilver G4 800 w/512 MB RAM I have a few questions. What RAM is recommended (so I can purchase some) to max it out? Best Video card (so I can get one)? I have been satisfied with the standard video card. As for the RAM, definitely max it out at 1.5 GB A single 512 MB PC133 stick was standard with most models. Two more PC133 sticks will max it out. Figure on $20 to $32 per stick. The 800 was a 2001 model, IIRC, so you will probably want to add the so-called LBA48 properties to gain full support of all current ATA drives (750 GB is the present maximum, and probably the all-time maximum for ATA drives, as there has been NO further development of ATA drives). I presently use those properties on my Digital Audios, and I have never had a problem with them. If you are fearful of the LBA48 properties, then High Cap or Overdrive is also an option. Only the very latest High Cap works with Leopard, and it only works after booting has been completed. LBA48 works from the initial power-on. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Query re: power supply in Mystic Dual G4s
On Jul 20, 2009, at 12:32 PM, dc wrote: I thought, though, that the REGULAR Gig-Ethernet G4s and the Mystic G4s took different power supplies. Am I wrong? I think they use the same PSU. Many Digital Audios were also dual processor, the same PSU should work in your Mystic. (I've put a dual 500 Mystic processor into a Sawtooth with no problems, the power requirements in these early G4s are very similar except for the +28V adc line) PSUs with the same mobo connections are interchangeable. Dual processor models use the same PSU as the single processor models. Some models must have a higher level mobo to accept a dual processor as the grand central chip doesn't support duals. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: large HDDs: 128 GB limit on Quicksilver 2001?
On Jul 19, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: I would like to know if the limit of the pre-Quicksilver 2002 Power Macs is a hard limit or whether it can be managed to access beyond this barrier. Officially, the pre-QS 2002 ROM DOES NOT SUPPORT LBA48. Practically, is has been possible to add the required LBA48 properties to the Open Firmware facility for quite a number of G4 Macs, and possibly also for ALL New World Macs, of which the very first was the BW G3. Certainly, the High Cap kext works on all G3, ..., QS 2001 Macs. But, that kext works only after booting has been completed, and MacOS is fully operational. The LBA48 properties are always available, even during booting, as these are added to the ROM image. The High Cap kext is a useful tool, but it has had a number of revisions, and only the latest is usable on Leopard. The earlier versions DO NOT SUPPORT Leopard. The LBA48 properties are usable on ANY MacOS, even Leopard (but not on Snow Lepoard, as, obviously, Snow Leopard officially drops support for PPCs). You can choose to buy the latest version of High Cap, but I would not do so. The LBA48 properties are free, and work on any supported MacOS X. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Blue and White G3 Ethernet problems
On Jul 8, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Liam Proven wrote: I recently set up an old 350mhz BW G3 tower as a Mac OS X server running 10.4.11. I've been having an issue with its ethernet connectivity. Out of the blue it completely drops it's network connection. I can't see it in Finder, and can't ping it with network utility. However, the link light on my network switch is still lit up, meaning the connection is still active. I can only access it again after a restart. It happens regardless of whether I use the built-in ethernet or a PCI ethernet card. Any idea what could be causing this, or how I can fix it? The firmware on it is up to date, as is 10.4 Server. I've just put OS X Server on my BW, so I will let you know if I see similar problems. How did you get it to install, though? I had to buy a G4 upgrade to get the boot DVD to get past the 1st screen. I avoided problems with the on-mobo E-net by installing a R8169 gigabit E-net PCI card. These have been supported as native to MacOS from almost Day One. There is a OS 9 driver available from the manufacturer, but no driver is required for 10.3 or later as this chip is natively supported. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Blue and White G3 Ethernet problems
On Jul 8, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Chance Reecher wrote: I too tried a PCI card, a R8139. It drops the connection just like the built-in ethernet. I'm going to see if I can find another PCI ethernet card to try. The 8139 was the worst E-net card made by Realtek, and the one which almost sunk the company. The 8169 is now the gold standard as Apple adopted it as its gigabit E-net solution. Many Intel boards have an R1000 gigabit E-net solution, but this, too, has a few problems. Dropped connections, slow to connect to DHCP and poor Bonjour compatibility are issues with a number of add-on and on-mobo chips, including R8139 and R1000. These issues do not exist in the R8169. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Limit
On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Reread use of s Single Drive versus using 2 ... it recommends using overdrive for a second HD, since you have to be booted into the first one to run it. I'm thinking I'd clone my current OS X onto a spare 80GB, and use that as my OS X drive (never having to worry about the LBA48 limitation). Then I would run OverDrive and install my 500GB drive as a second HD ... partition it with 128GB as a first partition, and then the rest as I needed. Whether High Cap, LBA48 Property or OverDrive, the most restrictive application is: 1) first partition is precisely 131,072 MB, and 2) remaining partitions are anything you want. With (1) and (2) applied religiously, whether you use High Cap, LBA48 Property or OverDrive really doesn't matter, the result is the same: if the kext or property is lost, you will still see the first 131,072 MB, which is were your primary OSes should be located (I partition my first 131,072 MB into four equal sized partitions as I support 10.4.11, 10.3.9, 10.3.9 Server and 10.5.7, roughly in that order of precedence). Now, if you properly use the LBA48 property, you will have the equivalent of a Quicksilver 2002, and you can have all your disks as single partitions. There are lots of choices, and one completely fail safe implementation, and one maximum utilization implementation. The choice is yours! Because of a farkle-up by Intech (failing to provide me with an e- mail receipt and a valid customer code for my retail purchase from them of High Cap, I have elected to go with the LBA48 property on my DAs, but not on my QSes (which are 2002s, so these don't need any help, anyway). The way I have partitioned all my drives is compatible with any of the above-mentioned method, and I can freely move my boot-drive/data- drive two-high carrier amongst any of my machines. Fortunately, I have not had to: my lone remaining DA is still on its initial installation of the LBA48 property, after I first discovered that the version of High Cap which I had would not support Leopard (no help, nor information from Intech, on that score, for several months). My sole remaining DA has never had a reset-nvram done to it since first installing the LBA48 properties (one on the HD bus, the other on the optical bus), and I have been perfectly happy with that solution for literally years. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Limit
On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Michael Koch wrote: What is the High Cap LBA48 and how does it work. The LBA48 properties is a set of commands which are added, as appropriate, to your Open Firmware NVRAM. You will need to select the appropriate pair of LBA48 properties, one for the HD bus and one for the optical bus. The one for the optical bus is certainly optional, but as I generally use the Zip position for initializing and cloning new drives, it may make some sense to do both. For the Digital Audio and for the Quicksilver 2001 models, the correct properties are found in the enable-lba48-ata4 and the enable- lba48-ata3 files. Earlier models may take other combinations, with the caveat that the HD bus is always the fastest and, consequently, it always has the higher ATA number. The files are as follows: enable-lba48-ata4 ... #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-4 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-4 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi enable-lba48-ata3 ... #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-3 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-3 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi enable-lba48-ata2 ... #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-2 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-2 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi These are persistent until you issue the reset-nvram O.F. command, which may be never. In the case of the 4 and 3 properties, this makes your Digital Audio or Quicksilver almost exactly alike a Quicksilver 2002. The END! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 6, 2009, at 9:59 PM, tortoise wrote: For high end machines clearly IBM and AMD excel. These are the cpus preferred by scientists and engineers -- they are not the same as the consumer versions admittedly but those benefit from this research. The go to machine for upper-upper-end scientific work, particularly nuclear bomb simulation, is a PPC with 131,072 cores. Clusters of Intel architecture machines are now affordable for electrical and mechanical engineering consultants, where perhaps 64 Intel PCs may be clustered, often using Lawrence Livermore National Labs' clustering software. Of course, these many to massively paralleled configurations are possible only with good split and join additions to compilers and other tools. In one split and join test of a significant note, 64 specialized database processors ... made by a certain database software manufacturer up the Peninsula ... were arrayed and accessed a certain database of financial data. A competitive system was configured using the very same data, but using a single Amdahl S/390 processor, and IBM's DB, not that other database software. The single Amdahl database processor beat the 64-way database processor in every test case. Naturally, that 64-way processor later showed up at Weird Stuff Warehouse, where it was sold for scrap value. Actually, it was only crap value which that system ever possessed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:28 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Even today a dual g4 can be as good or better performer as intel dual core in certain applications (such as with g4 upgrades versus current mini/ imac models = clunky consumer junk) That seems to go against the evidence of LEM machine profile bench marks. And against the evidence of actual commercial work, where a modest C2D Intel Hackintosh can perform a DVD authoring step (producing a playable DVD from .VOB files) in 12.5 minutes, whereas a reasonably fast dual G4 takes about 60 minutes. Needless to say, a 4.8-to-1 advantage in favor of Hackintosh computing resulted in this operator converting all his commercial work over to Hackintoshes. Now, I have only one G4 left operating, and it runs Mail.app and Classic. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 5, 2009, at 9:49 PM, Mullin9 wrote: Will Apple return to PPC processors? A year or so ago, Apple purchased a fab-less designer and manufacturer of multi-core PPC processors. It is conceivable that Apple may use PPC processors in some future products, but the investment in Intel-based products for the desktop and laptop has been high, and has been largely successful. Snow Leopard will NOT be a universal system: it will be Intel only; so a return to PPC is not bloody likely for MacOS, ever. However another product which is based upon PPC, or another processor which can make effective use of the power-saving technology which was acquired in that Apple purchase of a PPC company seems likely. Perhaps a set-top box or a hand-held box? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:27 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The RISC had a lot of promises, but many times hadn't delivered them. It's not the processor, it's the implementation. IBM is making huge quantities of PPC RISCs. Sun is still making its RISCs. Intel's CISCs are doing well. And, perhaps the oldest architecture in continuous use, the IBM System/360/370/390 (also called z/System), also a CISC, is now in its 45-th year, and shows no signs of being gone any time soon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Replacing crimped mobo ATA cable
On Jul 2, 2009, at 6:49 PM, dc wrote: I use cables without the slit, never had problems. You should be able to find them easily since the are stock pc (not Apple oem) cables: http://cgi.ebay.com/IDE-HARD-DRIVE-ATA133-CABLE-HIGH-DENSITY-6- INCH_W0QQitemZ170338067481QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Cables_Adapters? hash=item27a8f0a419_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 That 6 cable is a good start. An actual Apple cable, however DOES have the slits for CS (the patent requires it), but if you want to make a two-drive cable which does not have the slits, it is easy enough. The Apple two-drive cable is 6-3/8 over all, with the blue and one end, the black at the other end and the gray 4 from the blue end. The Apple P/N is 590-2253. It is best to use an existing Apple cable as a reference as the black and the gray connectors point away from the blue connector. If you start with a standard PC 18 cable and you carefully remove the black and gray connectors, you may reattach these at their appropriate points. It helps to have a professional flat cable cutter (Ideal, or equal) and a professional flat cable connector installer (3M, or equal). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Replacing crimped mobo ATA cable
On Jul 2, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: http://www.applecomponents.com/items/000393/922-3862_cable- ultra-ata-dual-drive-version-2/ The last looks most like the one supplied with the G4s ... just don't have any buyer experience with them. This is the closest I've yet seen to the BW G3 (Rev. 2) through QS 2002 models. The price is reasonable, too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Gigabit ethernet ram
On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:23 AM, insightinmind wrote: I've seen ads which imply their RAM sticks operate at CL2 if PC100 is requested, and at CL3 if PC133: Sometimes called PC100S. I have one such stick, and it does indeed work at CL2 in a 100 MHz machine and CL3 in a 133 MHz machine. But, OWC had so much trouble with these doubly-specified sticks that it chose to reprogram them to either 100 CL2 or 133 CL3, but not both. Certain Macs cannot properly handle a doubly-specified RAM stick. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My DA Didn't Wake up from a recent Snooze ...
On Jun 29, 2009, at 12:08 PM, insightinmind wrote: I'm considering FirmTek's SATA as a replacement later this week ... along with a 1TB Seagate. If on a G4 Mac, and possibly also a G5 Mac, all you really need is an OWC or LaCie SATA card, which is very cheap. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 Gigabit ethernet ram
On Jun 29, 2009, at 10:34 PM, Ralph Green wrote: Would memory pulled from a G4 Quicksilver work in a Gigabit Ethernet G4? It is PC133 memory and I know that memory generally works in PC100 systems, but I don't know if the G4 Gigabit is sensitive to the speed difference. No difference, although the Gigabit's ROM will check it and discover that it is PC133 and not the expected PC100. Gigabits will accept 512 MB sticks from DAs and QSes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 PCI Graphics Processor Upgrade from another G4...
On Jun 26, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Miguel Garcia Gell wrote: I have a G4 PCI Graphics with 400 Mghz and I'm looking for more than 500 and less than 933 Mghz processor single or dual. G4 Digital Audio processor doesn't work... wont fit... is out of the list already. A 133 MHz Apple processor will only work in a 133 MHz Apple model. The board layout and the connector are specifically oriented to that these may not be installed on a 100 MHz Apple model. A 100 MHz Apple processor will only work in a 100 MHz Apple model, assuming it is one with the same high-density connector as employed on the 133 MHz processors. Again, the board layout and the connector are specifically oriented to that these may not be installed on a 133 MHz Apple model. Any solution . A third-party processor with a high-density connector and a flexible power and cooling arrangement. Giga-Designs pioneered one version of these. OWC's are Giga's with the OWC label on them (and with OWC's restrictive covenants and different warranty on them). There may be others, but the Giga/OWC comes immediately yo mind Giga doesn't mind if you overclock their processors. Overclocking an OWC processor immediately voids its warranty. These Giga/OWC processors have jumpers for both the bus speed (133 MHz or 100 MHz) and the divisor. Also the cache frequency and the core voltage for the several components on the board which operate at different core voltages. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 22, 2009, at 12:03 AM, Ralph Green wrote: I tried a QS processor in an earlier G4 chassis today. It did not work, and I am wondering what to try next. The G4 was an older model than I expected. It is a Sawtooth model. There are two basic later G4 processor types: 133 MHz bus and 100 MHz bus. A QS processor is for a 133 MHz bus model, and it will only work in 133 MHz bus models, namely the DA and the QS 2001 and QS 2002, only. The earlier processors, such as a Gigabit E-net may work in several models, but I'm not as sure of how far the 100 MHz bus processor compatibility goes. Giga-Designs (and the OWC-branded processors which Giga-Designs makes for OWC) are designed for both 133 and 100 MHz bus models. Other than the bus speed, there is the issue of the location of the processor's connector, clearances for certain other connectors on the motherboard, and the location of the cooling fans. The innovative Giga-Designs product is designed to be adjustable to cover all 133 and most 100 MHz bus models in one user-configurable product. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sata 2.5 plugged into a 3.5 sata enclosure?
On Jun 22, 2009, at 4:55 PM, John Martz wrote: Is there a big difference between the capacities of the two drives? 2.5 SATA has the very same power and data connectors as all current 3.5 SATA. 2.5 SATA goes to 500 GB. 3.5 SATA goes to 1.5 TB (1500 GB), with 2 TB (2000 GB) being sampled. As most host SATA buses are supporting 3.0 Gb/s, there is probably no need for 1.5 Gb/s, or the jumper which forces a drive to 1.5 Gb/s. The iSATA/eSATA cards for most G series Macs are 1.5 Gb/s, but the jumper really isn't necessary as the drive and the host will mutually determine the best speed. My Initio-based G4 cards (1.5 Gb/s) are perfectly happy with my eSATA drives which are jumpered for 3.0 Gb/s, and which I use interchangeably on my Intel Hackintoshes, all of which, even my Intel Atom Netbook, are 3.0 Gb/s. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GeForce4 MX Core Image Support (Not?)
On Jun 21, 2009, at 8:33 AM, insightinmind wrote: Sort of like my Digital Audio showing up having 4 RAM Slots in Tiger. The LSI chip actually supports four RAM slots, but there are only three RAM slots printed and wired on the motherboard. The next model, the QS, fixed that ... the LSI chip only supports three RAM sots. For some unknown reason, Apple decided to trade one RAM slot for an extra PCI slot. Not that that extra PCI slot was actually useful as the machine already had gigabit E-net and all the other ports built-in. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Steve Jobs had liver transplant
On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: Reports: Apple CEO Steve Jobs had liver transplant I think about the two livers wasted on Mickey Mantle, the selfishness. As I understand it now, Steve Jobs gamed the system by going to Tennessee, the state with the shortest liver transplant waiting list, rather than waiting in line in his home state of California. If this is true, perhaps he should consider moving himself and Apple to Tennessee once he recovers? I don't see this as gaming as the UNOS system is supposed to provide organs to the most needy applicable patients, not the patients which are particularly situated in certain under-served states. Otherwise, everyone needing an organ would be moving to Tennessee. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Matthew Burks wrote: A couple of years back I was in contact with a guy on this forum or another Mac forum who said that you could put a dual 933mhz CPU board into a G4 Digital Audio. Anyone know anything about that? Apple made two fast dual processor boards which are usable on Digital Audios: dual 800 MHz (QS 2001) and dual 1.0 GHz (QS 2002). Both of these required a special power cable adapter. Apple also made a slow dual processor board for a Digital Audio: dual 533 MHz (DA). This did not require any power adapter. I can see no way that a dual 533 could be run at 933. It is theoretically possible to down-clock an 1000 or overclock an 800. However, although the dual 800 and the dual 1000 processors were made using the very same raw board, there are major differences between the dual 800 and the dual 1000. The components which are apparently missing on a dual 800 are present on a dual 1000, and the components which are apparently missing on a dual 1000 are present on a dual 800. In this way, Apple make it impossible to convert a dual 800 to a dual 1000 (or any frequency above 800), or to convert a dual 1000 to a dual 800 (or any frequency below 1000). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I've heard of people, and know some people who run quicksilver dual processors in digital audio powermacs. Easy as pie, provided you make your own +12 volt power adapter cable. A QS 2001 dual 800 MHz processor will run at 800 MHz on a Digital Audio. A QS 2002 dual 1000 MHz processor will run at 1000 MHz on a Digital Audio. So far, I have four dual 1000 MHz DAs in-house, although three of these have been replaced by very fast Hackintoshes, most running way in excess of 3000 MHz, often with four processors. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Matthew Burks wrote: So what would I need to purchase to make my 533mhz a dual 800mhz or dual 1000mhz? You would need, at a very minimum: 1) a dual 800 or dual 1000 processor, 2) a matching heatsink, 3) a Quicksilver-type fan unit (the DA-type fan unit is not usable), and 4) a special cable which accepts +12 volts and +12 volts return from an available hard drive connector and provides: 4a) +12 volts to the fifth hole in the QS processor, 4b) +12 volts to the QS fan unit, and 4c) +12 volts return to the QS fan unit. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:17 PM, insightinmind wrote: In researching my new DA, I ran across this LEM article that talks a little about a Dual 533 being incorrectly reported as a Dual 933: http://lowendmac.com/ppc/digital-audio-power-mac-g4.html To quote: At least one version of OS X reports the dual 533 MHz Digital Audio Power Mac as a dual 933 MHz G4 (11.3). There never was a 933 MHz dual G4 from Apple. Period. End of story! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dual upgrade for Digital Audio
On Jun 20, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: Powerlogix made a dual 933 back in 2003 and probably into 2004. FWIW, I have a Powerlogix dual 1.2GHz in my DA (originally a 533) running Leopard. Sounds right. Right now, Freescale is making 1.4 MHz and slower G4s, and that's about all. Gone are the days of factory 1.5, 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 GHz G4s Any faster ones are overclocked chips which have been hand-selected by the OEM vendor. There is always a sweet spot for price-performance. At one point, this was 1.2 GHz on third party single G4 replacement processors for 100 and 133 MHz bus G4s. At that particular point, I elected to go with dual 1.0 GHz Apple Quicksilver 2002 processors, and I was not disappointed. That is, until the Intels came out. I mean, of course, the Hackintosh Intels, not the Mackintosh Intels. After numerous benchmarks of various kinds of CD and DVD authoring and duplication, it came down to these basic stats: 1) a greater than 4.7 GB DVD compressed down to within a 4.7 GB DVD in about 60 minutes, using a dual 1.0 GHz G4 Mackintosh under Tiger (10.4.11), and 2) a greater than 4.7 GB DVD compressed down to within a 4.7 GB DVD in about 12.5 minutes, using a dual 3.6 GHz C2D or a 3.2 GHz C2Q Hackintosh, under Leopard (10.5.6 or 10.5.7). With a nearly five-to-one advantage (wall clock time) in favor of Hackintoshes, I converted all my CD and DVD work over to Hacks. I still have one dual 1.0 GHz G4 Mack in use, primarily for Mail.app and also for running the Classic versions of Photoshop and Acrobat creator. Everything else goes on the Hacks. Also, I have gone away from my 500 MHz Pismo with 1 GB of RAM. I am now using a OCZ Neutrino (Intel Atom-based build it yourself Netbook) with 2.0 GB of RAM, built-in WiFi, built-in iCam, built-in card reader, builtin Express-34 slot for Firewire and eSATA expansion, and all the other goodies one expects from a Netbook running Leopard 10.5.7. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Orig. Airport card vs. PCI wireless card
On Jun 19, 2009, at 3:21 PM, iJohn wrote: I'm just curious what wireless equipment is going for. I'm anticipating a 802.11g firesale ... but then again it may have already happened and I just missed seeing it. I've been using $9.99 802.11b/g USB 2.0 wireless for nearly a decade. At least three manufacturers now supply 10.3 and 10.4/10.5 drivers for their USB dongles, and all three support ... in some cases ... stronger protection than do the Apple cards. I DO have a couple of Belkin PCI cards, which are Broadcom-based, and are seen as Apple Airport Extreme cards, but I have found the USB 2.0 dongles to be more cost-effective, more user-friendly, and more reliable. I am now using Hacks in place of Macks for most of my production work. Most Hacks have 10 or 12 USB 2.0 ports, but most have only 2 PCI slots (although one, the Gigabyte S3G, has 5 PCI slots). http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: One odd fastener for G4 Power supply
On Jun 19, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: All the screws necessary to take the PS out of my G4 2002 933 Mhz Quicksilver are phillips except one, and no phillips touches it, though it looks like a phillips. Is it a pozi drive? The slots are shallow and not beveled. What do I use to get this one fastener out? Someone substituted an ersatz fastener. All the fasteners on the G3s and G4s, and probably the G5s, with one important exception, are metric. To be specific, the metric fasteners on the PSUs are all M3.5-0.6, and which look startlingly like an Imperial #6-32 UNC. (The exceptions are the HD retaining screws. Those are all #6-32 UNC). If you truly found a Pozi-Driv on the PSU, then either: 1) it is the fastener which retains the L shaped bracket, and it was put there by the PSU manufacturer and is not intended to be replaced, or 2) it is an ersatz fastener, placed there by someone who was trying to perform a make do. Remember: on G3s and G4s, and possibly also on G5s, all PSU retaining screws, all drive bracket retaining screws (but NOT the HD retaining screws themselves) and all PCI or PCI-E card retaining screws are specials made for Apple and are M3.5-0.6. Apple has used a variety of heads on these M3.5-0.6 screws: #1 Phillips, #2 Phillips, slotted, and Torx. The whole idea behind Apple's decision was to keep Apples an all- metric machine, with the sole exception of the HD retaining screws which are always #6-32 UNC (and are Imperial). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PRAM battery?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Clark Martin wrote: To meet the NEC it has to go back to the relevant electrical panel to be grounded there. Earth ground has a rather high resistance, that's from personal experience. If you have an accessible cold water ground, and that cold water system is continuous throughout the premises, you have some hope of the ground being reasonably low resistance. The focus of the NEC is fire safety [ * ] , and their code is a minimum from that point of view. There are better ways of effecting an electrical ground system, but the NEC gives the minimum acceptable system, and most communities have adopted the NEC. [ * ] The clue as to their focus should be apparent from the name of the publisher: NFPA (National Fire Protection Association). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PRAM battery?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Maybe but it's not a preferred method anymore. Among other reasons there's the risk of electrolytic action on the water pipe. There are dielectric connections available. But, it is indeed NOT the preferred method, even though that method may have been permitted in the past. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: PRAM battery?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Wake up, and stop trying to be so smart!!! I hold a BSEE from a major western university, and I was employed in a professional capacity in that specific activity by this nation's largest municipal utility. I suspect you cannot show equivalent professional credentials. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:11 AM, Ralph Green wrote: Use any flat IDE cable you want. Only if you want to force the lowest possible performance, as without the additional information available using the technique previously mentioned, the 'puter has no other choice but to force basic mode (16.67 MB/sec), and all models from the BW on make the provision for enhanced mode (33 MB/sec, or faster). Use 80 pin cables if you want speeds greater than 33 megabytes per second. That is but one (and only one) reason to use 80-wire/40-pin cables. Another is most modern optical drives, although these never use faster than 33 MB/sec, these require 80-wire/40-pin cables for more than 8X writing. Although the OEM packaging never says so, the retail packaging certainly does: in order for the drive to operate faster than 8X an 80-wire/40-pin cable is required, even if the host bus is 16.67 MB/sec. An 80-wire/40-pin cable may also be required for some of the improved burning strategies (always write, etcetera). Bottom line: to ensure the highest percentage of good burns, and, conversely, the lowest percentage of coasters, an 80-wire/40-pin cable is required. All desktop Macs from BW on use an 80-wire/40-pin cable for both ATA buses, whether those buses are ATA-2, ATA-3 or ATA-4 (and higher ATA modes on the MDD). Only the Beige used a 40-wire/40-pin cable, and that model series was limited to 16.67 MB/sec, and two masters if Revision 1, and two masters and two slaves if Revision 2 or 3. (The Revision 2 or 3 models could accept slaves on the optical bus, but the HD bus was never provided with a slave connector on any revision, for the reason that the slave drive would be located more than 18 inches from the host connector, although that limit could be exceeded with specially designed and tested cables). Use CS if you are prepared to have your computer guess which drive is which and whether you have the right cable. There is no guessing involved. The drive which is connected to the black connector is master; the drive which is connected to the gray connector is slave. But, as master and slave are actually peers, it doesn't matter which drive is master and which drive is slave, just as long as the following rule is met: if there is only one drive on a bus, it must be master and it must be at the end of the cable. The black connector is on the end of the cable. Incidentally, the black, gray and blue connectors are not identical. There are pins missing (open) or are present and are grounded (closed) in certain strategic positions. In this way, the host may determine if the cable is 40-wire/40-pin or is 80-wire/40-pin, or is not present at all, and also the maximum operating speed of each connected device. 80-wire/40-pin cables allow for asymmetric operation (16.67 MB/sec for one device, and 33 MB/sec or faster for the other device). Set the master/slave settings if you want to know it will work. Well, yeah, but all of the above must be met, too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:14 AM, irrational john wrote: I'm basing that on what I read in this Wikipedia article which sounds credible to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment#Cable_select As usual Wiki is Wiki. Take it or leave it, as you choose. The background for the CS, first, during device initialization, and M/ S, second, during normal device operations, as employed by Apple in the BW and all later models, is ... US Patent 5761460 - Reconfigurable dual master IDE interface ... which patent teaches how an IDE interface may be utilized in a new and inventive way to: 1) determine if a cable is attached at all, 2) if a cable is attached, to determine which of 40-wire/40-pin or 80- wire/40-pin cable it is, 3) if a master device exists, to determine the fastest it is capable of being operated, 4) if a slave device exists, to determine the fastest it is capable of being operated, and, finally 5) given all of the above, the possible two semi-independent channels (on the one single bus) may be appropriately programmed for the best device utilization. Implicit in the above objectives, the devices themselves may interrogate the connector and its cable to determine how best to communicate with the host. In all of these discussions, the computer itself is the initiator (host), and the attached devices are responders (dependents whether master or slave doesn't matter as masters and slaves are actually peers of each other). For the particular case of modern optical drives, such as fast DVD burners, the burner needs to know if it can depend upon the host to ship data with high data integrity, and at a rate which will not cause the device to under-run (implicitly, a device cannot be over- run as the host is programmed to ensure this). So, the burners specifically look for the differences between the 40- wire/40-pin and the 80-wire/40-pin cable, and it limits the burn rate to 8X or less for the 40-wire/40-pin case, and possibly 20X or more (but surely more than 8X) for the 80-wire/40-pin case. From the patent text (abbreviated): ... SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION A dual-master data storage interface is disclosed which flexibly configures and connects data storage drives in the portable computer to optimize performance when the portable computer is operating in a stand-alone mode. The invention further optimizes accessibility to additional data storage drives when the portable computer is docked to an expansion unit. The interface has first and second channels adapted to control first and second data storage drives and registers for configuring each drive as a master drive or a slave drive. When the portable computer operates as a stand-alone unit (i.e., not docked to the expansion unit), each drive on the portable is configured to operate as a master drive which is separately connected to a channel to optimize performance. ... Upon separation, each drive on the portable computer is configured and remapped as a master on a separate channel for maximizing data transfer performance. Thus, by allowing for flexibility in changing the drive configuration and channel connection, the invention ensures compatibility with the standard BIOS when the portable computer is docked with the expansion unit. Further, the present invention optimizes data transfer performance from the drives when the portable computer is separated from the expansion unit. ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable Select OR Master / Slave in a QS 2002 Dual 1GHz? (and DA Dual 533)
On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:18 PM, insightinmind wrote: Just for the main hard drive connection: So it is NOT ok to use the UltraATA cable (Space Shuttle-D, Cd Pb Free, 80wire/40pin) supplied in a Retail Box Kit along with a Seagate UltraATA drive as the cable off the Apple mobo, because of a HP/ Compaq patented method of interrogating the drive at Startup, in my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz? I need to put back the short one with the slit (hence Cable Select cable), and set my Seagate to Master, because ... This article: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1815 As usual, Apple covered too much in a single post. Many free (i.e., retail) cables are 80-wire/40-pin and are also Cable Select. These MAY BE USED in place of the short cable ... if you can figure out a way to fold them without also breaking the conductors. The 80-wire/40-pin cables have #30 AWG SOLID conductors, and are fragile. The 40-wire/40-pin cables have #28 AWG stranded conductors, and are not as fragile. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 1:13 PM, joan wrote: Would love some suggestions on what to get to upgrade my 867 Power PC G4. We just added more memory and have 2 GB. The Bus speed is 133 MHz and I'm using 10.4.11. We have external LaCie and Maxtor hard drives but would like to beef up the G4 itself. 10.4.11 works very well. I use it every day as my mail handler. What I have done is piggy-back a 500 GB drive on top of the 160 GB main drive. Today, I would piggy-back a 750 GB drive. As usual, there is the issue of LBA48, and for that purpose I use the NVRAM strings. But, there is now a free driver for MacOS so you won't have to but High Cap. You would still partition your drive as if you were using High Cap: the first partition would be 131,072 MB and the second partition would be the remainder of the drive. With the NVRAM strings, you may be able to use the entire drive as a single partition. I haven't tried that, but I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work as the LBA48 properties are added persistently to the MacOS ROM. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 1:41 PM, nestamicky wrote: Unless you have a PCI card, or get the ?Highcap text? software, you'd be limited to 128 GB. Three options, none of which require a PCI card: 1) Intech's High Cap extension, 2) the open-source (free) extension which does the same thing, and 3) the LBA48 property strings which are semi-permanently added to the MacOS ROM (at least until the next reset-nvram, which may be never). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:34 PM, PeterH wrote: Three options, none of which require a PCI card: 1) Intech's High Cap extension, 2) the open-source (free) extension which does the same thing, and [ * ] 3) the LBA48 property strings which are semi-permanently added to the MacOS ROM (at least until the next reset-nvram, which may be never). [ * ] It's called Overdrive. http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/29409 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 intenal hard drive upgrade
On Jun 15, 2009, at 4:36 PM, Charles Lenington wrote: [ * ] It's called Overdrive. http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/29409 404 error - not found I had absolutely NO trouble finding it. Perhaps you should use Google on Overdrive or another search key. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can I put an intel duo core processor in my g4?
On Jun 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, matt.strim...@gmail.com wrote: And if not maybe tell me what kind of up grades I need? I mean I just wanna run lepord properly. I am on tiger Which G4? There are basically two: 1) the 100 MHz bus G4 (Gigabit Ethernet, and earlier models), and 2) the 133 MHz bus G4 (Digital Audio, and later models). (I have NO mirror drive door G4s, so I cannot voice an opinion on those). The best upgrade is probably the Giga-Designs. However, those are hard to come by, OWC has an upgrade which is basically a Giga-Designs processor, but is comes with OWC's warranty, and it DOES NOT support over-clocking. The true Giga-Designs processor, purchased from them, DOES support over-clocking. The Giga-Designs upgrade is nice in that it can be set by jumpers for either a 100 MHz bus or a 133 MHz bus, and it accepts both the 100 MHz processor position or the 133 MHz processor position (each are quite different), and the cooling system is designed for both, and is user-adjustable for both. Whichever ... The only chips being made these days are 1.4 GHz G4s, and any processor upgrades, whether from Giga-Designs, or OWC, or others, are simply 1.4 GHz chips which are being over-clocked, but are guaranteed by the seller to work at 1.5 or 1.6 or 1.whatever GHz. Caveat emptor! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Leopard 10.5.7 on a Digital Audio Dual 533
On Jun 14, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Comments welcomed. For starters, will I possibly wear out the 533 Dual cpu? CPUs do not wear out. They do suffer from overheat, however. If you install the heat sink correctly, and the fan is in good condition, you will never in your lifetime wear out that dual 533. The QS and DA, and the earlier gigabits, are so very similar in electrical design (although there are many obvious differences) that a system generated for a QS will work on an earlier model. At one point, I think it was 10.3.something I could move the same 160 GB drive (boot and systems from 10.3 to 10.5, including Server) and 500 GB piggy-back drive (data) from a Smurf (G3) to a DA (G4) and anything in between. Of course, you can't do that with 10.4 or 10.5 on account of the G3 not being supported, but you can do that to almost every model which is at least a G4 (whether gigabit, or not). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: lba48 Support in a Yikes!? / Add: DA Dual 533
On Jun 11, 2009, at 7:07 AM, insightinmind wrote: I'm a bit disconnected from the systems programming ... where is this input? Hopefully convenient to a Cut/Paste scenario? some kind of Script application? I just bought a DA Dual 533 and will need to apply something for large drive support there as well. May leave my Yikes! alone, since the DA will be replacing its function. I recall keying in the text. If you check Macupdate, there is a free application, Overdrive, which will do the same, and works for G3s as well as G4s. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: lba48 Support in a Yikes!? / Add: DA Dual 533 / Overdrive 1.0
On Jun 11, 2009, at 11:52 AM, insightinmind wrote: Have you (or others) used it when the drive is already partitioned? My first 2 OS X partitions are within the 128GB limit. I read Intech's 128 GB White Paper (it's available for download) a long time before I ever approached MacOS X, so I already had in mind how I was going to approach this issue. The key is to set the very first partition to 131,072 MB, or, if there is an 8 GB partition for Old World compatibility, then set two partitions, one at 8,192 MB (8 GB) and the other at 131,072 MB (128 GB). The remainder becomes the above the line partition, or partitions. The beauty of the NVRAM patches is it is good at all times, not just after booting has been completed, and the drives have had their roll call completed. I see that Intech has released Version 3.0 of High-Cap, and it claims to support 10.5. Alas, the High Cap which I bought, but which Intech failed to issue a receipt so that I could get a free update to 3.0, is at Version 1.3, so, naturally, it doesn't support 10.5. But no matter, I already have 10.5 support using the patches, and I'm not going to pay Intech twice to receive something which I should only have paid once. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: It is official, we are orphans.
On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: HMMM, sounds like a case for agent x86 and his friend Psystar. No need to waste your money on OSx86 wanna-bes, such as Psystar. Check-out the self-managed group mentioned below for both performance and economy OSx86 solutions which do not depend upon Psystar's crippled technology. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA Adoption
On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:58 AM, insightinmind wrote: I've very recently adopted (...) a Digital Audio Dual 533, and am wondering about its audio out. Can't quite wrap my head (or speaker cable) around it. If I google Digital Audio ... well, you see what I mean. Digital audio output was an option which not very many DAs were actually equipped with. You can see the rear panel's plastic overcoating is scored for the installation of a special connector, but without the actual DA output hardware, the rear panel looks just like almost all model of that era. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Very Stubborn Quicksilver
On Jun 7, 2009, at 9:08 AM, insightinmind wrote: Note: Contact your device manufacturer or consult the manufacturer’s website to determine if your device is set for cable select mode. Before installation, set the device to cable select mode if the manufacturer hasn’t already done so. Maybe that's the problem ... Maybe not. The Macs from BW on use a cable which is laid out as if it were cable select, but the Mac still uses master and slave during regular operations. The optical bus is also laid out for cable select, but the optical drive is always set for master, and the Zip, if present, is always set for slave. A hard drive may be substituted for the Zip drive on all models, provided that hard drive is set to slave. In this way, the buses may accommodate devices which are faster or slower than the rating of the respective bus. When the Mac is initially powered-on, each bus is put in cable select mode and a special reset sequence is issued to each drive. The presence of absence of a drive may thereby be determined, also the mode in which the a drive is capable of communicating. The firmware sets the ATA chip to the lower of the drive's maximum speed mode and the ATA chip's maximum speed mode. In this way, ATA-6 drives (such as a fast hard drive) may be installed on an ATA-4 bus, and likewise an ATA-2 drive (such as a slow optical drive) may be installed on an ATA-3 bus. After the ATA chip and the drives have been set-up, the Mac reverts to master/slave mode. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: FWIW ... manually dowloading the 10.5.7 combo update directly from Apple's site worked perfectly on every Mack or Hack which I have. Whereas, automatically downloading the model-specific update, through Software Update ..., failed in EVERY case, Mack as well as Hack. That's what I am getting at. Let's say you have a couple of Macks in your shop. And, let's say you also have a couple of Hacks in your shop, and all of them are using the vanilla MacOS X kernel and the hidden partition for your EFI emulator and Boot132 for your boot loader. And, let's say you have a 1 GB thumb drive with the file MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg as a flat file on that thumb drive, plus you also have the audio packages which are needed for each Hack (none are needed for a Mack, of course). Then, simply run MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg against each Mack and/ or run MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.7.pkg against each Hack PLUS run the applicable audio package against each Hack, and Every Mack and Hack will be brought up to 10.5.7 and you will loose no functions PLUS you will gain all functions provided by 10.5.7. P.S. Some Netbooks use a different address for their GMA950, in which case you may have to edit the two GMA950 kexts. If you successfully got your Netbook Hack to 10.5.6, then you'll know which kexts those are. The site referenced below contains a number of audio packages which have been extensively tested, and are known to work. Guides for building Hacks can also be found there, too. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: lba48 Support in a Yikes!?
On Jun 5, 2009, at 10:01 PM, MaGioZal wrote: Do those tricks work on Beige G3 Macs with 10.4 installed via XPostFacto? I am unaware of any Old World Mac which could make use of this technique. And, there may be a number of New World Macs for which this technique would also be unusable. However ... The technique is usable on New World Macs which have ATA4, ATA3 and/ or ATA2 HD or optical buses. Generally, the optical bus is one ATA version below that of the HD bus. Combinations which are known to work are: 1) ATA4, only, on applicable models (DA and early QS, for sure, and possibly others, for the HD bus), 2) ATA3, only, on applicable models (DA and early QS, for sure, and possibly others, for the optical bus), 3) both (1) and (2), 4) ATA3, only, on applicable models (for the HD bus), 5) ATA2, only, on applicable models (for the optical bus), and 6) both (4) and (5). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 10.5.7
On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:44 AM, insightinmind wrote: Any 10.5.7 Combo Up(to)date Comments? Works properly on my Macks and my Hacks. Installed on my Hacks first, and the Combo Updater was indeed required, but none of the other steps were (two executions of permissions repairs and use of Safe Mode). Installed on my Macks last, and the Combo Updater was all that was required. 10.5.7 breaks the sound driver, so Hacks will have to reinstall whatever they are using for sound. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Motherboard swap for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:40 AM, Ralph Green wrote: I have several reasons for wanting to do the upgrade. The 400 MHz cpu I have now is a wee bit too slow, and I think a dual 800 MHz will be fine for what I do. I am on a tight budget. And, I want to help a local school upgrade about 10 more of these if it works out OK. It will go much easier if you get a bare Quicksilver case. The processor mounts quite differently, and power is transmitted to the CPU through the mounting bolt system. There were more power changes between the DA and QS than between any two other models of G4 Macks. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: lba48 Support in a Yikes!?
On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Justin The Cynical wrote: Am I missing something? Is ___lba-48_property to be typed with all the quotes? That's how I read it... nvedit dev_hd dev_.. lba-48 property device-end Will this work on a Yikes? That I don't know. Try it and let us know. :) The patch works on systems which have a KeyLargo chip. It may work on others. The known-to-work patches are: ATA4 (DA and early QS HD channel) #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-4 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-4 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi ATA3 (DA and early QS optical channel, and some other HD channels) #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-3 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-3 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi ATA2 (some other HD channels and some other optical channels) #! /bin/bash - if kextstat -lb com.apple.driver.KeyLargoATA | grep -F -q KeyLargoATA ! ioreg -rStp IODeviceTree -n ata-2 -w0 | grep -F -q lba-48 thenread -rd $'\000' nvram nvramrc `nvram nvramrc 2-` if sudo nvram 'use-nvramrc?=true' \ nvramrc='dev mac-io/ata-2 0 0 lba-48 property device-end' $nvramrc then echo '48-bit LBA support will be enabled on the next reboot.'; fi fi The point being: Each channel is different, and has to be handled with its own patch, and it is possible to selectively enable LBA48 for either the HD channel or the optical channel, or both, at your option. The patch lives in the non-volatile RAM of the machine, and it works across a power sequence or a boot sequence or a reset sequence. It DOES NOT work across a reset-nvram sequence, however. I've had the ATA4 and ATA3 patches persistent in my DA for nearly two years now. Of course, I have avoided using reset-nvram. This is the best approach to large drive support for 10.5, as the High Cap product (or some versions of it) will not work on 10.5. My DA is happily supporting 10.5.7 using the patch, as High Cap is not working. And, as I have the patch on the machine, I have removed High Cap from the three other MacOSes which I support on this DA: 10.4.11, 10.3.9 Server and 10.3.9. In every case, I am using the latest updates to the respective systems. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DVD Player freeze ...
On Jun 1, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: When I playback DVDs, one in particular completely freezes up my Yikes! at the same point. Some DVD files are choppy at first, and smooth out as they playback, especially in Full Screen Mode. Some DVDs are inadvertently improperly authored. Some DVDs are intentionally improperly authored. An example of the first case is Land of the Pharaohs (1955), a recently released Warners title. Warners is not known for intentionally improperly authoring their DVDs. But a few do slip through. The flaws in Pharaohs occur in two places: about 3 minutes from the fade-in of the main titles and about 13 minutes before the fade-out of the end titles. The flaws are complete skips of about 9 minutes in each instance. The first loss is really just a lot of fluff about the Pharaoh himself. The second loss is essentially the entire secret of how the Pharaoh's pyramid was made tamper-proof, and which is the essential point of the entire screen story. What one sees is a burst of random color on the screen followed instantly by a skip to about 9 minutes later in the movie. In the case of the first skip, it is possible to manually skip backwards and resume the film at approximately the point at which the disturbance first occurred. You have to skip backwards just enough, but not too much! In the case of the second skip, it is impossible to manually skip backwards. It is just as if those 9 minutes are not on the DVD at all. I doesn't matter, in this specific case, if the manufactured DVD is attempted to be played, or a ripped copy of the same is attempted to be played, the flaws are in both. I guess that says a lot about how faithful the various ripping programs can be. Even worse than skips are freezes. Some set-top players are good at skipping over freezes whereas others are not. A lot depends upon the device's firmware. In the worst case, a set-top box may have to be rebooted by pulling the power plug in order to restart its firmware. In the case of DVD Player, a Force Quit accomplishes the same thing, but this doesn't work if the application is in full-screen mode as there are no selectable points on the screen when gets one back to the Finder and from which one can force the process to quit. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DVD Player freeze ...
On Jun 2, 2009, at 6:47 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: Yet another factor is just plain ol' dirt. Often, cleaning a rented DVD will fix that. A friend who uses Netflix regularly cleans 'em before use and this practice has prevented a lot of aggravation on his part. In the case cited, I was the first renter of the flawed DVD. To clean rented DVDs, I generally use a special spectacle-cleaning cloth (often supplied with quality prescription eyewear) which has the beneficial property of removing even fingerprints from the disk's surface. Again, in the instant case of Land of the Pharoahs, the disk was mis-authored, and contained two 9-minute skips, one of which was recoverable as there was at least one complete chapter which followed the skip (in fact, there were about 20 complete chapters) and one of which was not recoverable as there was no complete chapter which followed the skip (i.e., the skip occurred in the very last chapter). After enough negative reports on a specific copy, Netflix may put the media through a polishing machine in an attempt to remove scratches. This process is successful in some cases, but not in others. In more than on case the damaged media is unsalvageable, and should it be the only copy in Netflix' library, then the title would be withdrawn until it is reissued by the publisher. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Carbon Copy Cloner Question
On Jun 1, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Meaning I dont want to continually back up any user files, ?? This pretty much voids the use of a backup. The entire purpose of backups are to preserve the files that don't come on the CD's and OS Disks...which are your user files. This is the stuff that's difficult or impossible to replace...if you need bootable functionality, you've got that with your OS Disc. A strategy which I have found to be useful is a 1 TB drive partitioned into two identical halves. The lowest is the primary. The highest is the alternate. At the end of each week, the lowest is cloned to the highest by automatically selecting the changed files, a CCC option. The initial time, only, this results in a complete copy. GUID's hidden partition, which is actually below the lowest partition, and where the EFI emulation stuff is kept on a Hackintosh, is not copied. This hidden partition is never used by Apple, so this backup strategy works for an Apple running Leo as well as a Hackintosh running Leo. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard drive plate and screw (and more screws)
On May 30, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: I just noticed that the G4 Gig-e Mac I have has a problem with 2 of the hard drive plates. You know the metal plates that you attach the hard drives to and then in turn attach these plates inside the bottom of the G4 case. Each plate has one screw that keeps it in place inside the case. I noticed that the screw for 2 of the plates has been damaged. The head of each screw has been damaged to the point where no screw driver bit could ever snugly fit into it to allow you to unscrew the plate. Anyone know how to get the screws out? As of now only the center hard drive plate can be removed the others are stuck with the damaged screw heads. The rear-most drive mount, the one which accepts two drives in a stacked configuration, requires special thin head screws. The screws themselves have a #6-UNC thread, which is a coarse thread (UNC means Unified National Coarse; there are indeed UNF threads, Unified National Fine). The threads are NOT fine, which on a Mac generally means M3-0.5, metric, 3.00mm dia., 0.50mm thread pitch. Optical and Zip drives are the only drives within the desktop and mini-tower series of 60x, G3 and G4 Macs which are mounted using metric fasteners. The hard drives are always mounted using #6-32 UNC (Imperial) fasteners. These thin head fasteners are quite special, and were made for Apple to its specifications. The single-high drive carrier can use conventional head #6-32 UNC screws; it is only the two-high drive carrier which requires the special thin head screws, and even then, these special screws are necessary only when mounting the drive from below. If mounting the drive from the sides, then conventional #6-32 UNC screws may be used. Now, the drive carrier itself is mounted to the base of the mini- tower by screws which _appear_ to be the same as the drive mounting screws, but _these are not the same_; these are M3.5-0.6, metric, 3.50mm dia., 0.60mm thread pitch. M3.5-0.6 fasteners were adopted by Apple in 1984, with the introduction of the very first Mac, the 128K. However, in the very same year, 1984, the M3.5-0.6 fastener size was abandoned as a standard by those countries which endorsed, or mandated metric standards. Consequently, most M3.5-0.6 fasteners are custom made for Apple. No one else that I am aware of uses M3.5-0.6 fasteners in their products. Historically, M3.5 is just about the same diameter as #6, so an M3.5 fastener has just about the same shear strength as a #6 fastener. However, in the post-1984 metric standards, there is no standard fastener size between M3 and M4, and M3 has too low a shear strength, while M4 has too great a shear strength, for many mounting applications. Hence, although it may be archaic, from a metric perspective, to use #6 fasteners for hard drives, this size is still the standard, world-wide. Now, as to the PCI/AGP/PCI-E card mounting screws ... The world-wide standard is also #6-32 UNC. However, in order to keep its products as all-metric as was possible, Apple deviated from the card mounting standard and used M3.5-0.6 fasteners there, too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 upgrade opinions welcomed
On May 29, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: First does anyone know if both are 7447 models? I know the MAXPower is (it says so on the site), but is the Encore also 7447 or 7448? When I inquired, Freescale's production of G4 chips had been terminated with the 1.4 Ghz chip, which the OEMs (Giga Designs, etcetera) were individually testing and rebranding as 1.5 or 1.6 or whatever their testing showed these 1.4 GHz chips to run at, with stability. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OS 10.5
On May 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, lbte...@aol.com wrote: Is upgrading a 867 MDD to 10.5 advisable or let it alone? Probably best at 10.4.11, although 10.5 is also OK. 10.5 is best on dual processors which are significantly faster that 1.0 GHz. 10.5.7 works great on a quad 3.2 Intel and a dual 3.6 Intel in my shop. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 16, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Clark Martin wrote: They either have one and only one horizontal sweep frequency and one and only one vertical sweep frequency, or they have sets of horizontal and sets of vertical sweep frequencies which are detected by the interface and automatically switched by adding or deleting resonant elements, usually capacitors, to select the new frequencies. There is a limited capture range for each set of frequencies. No they don't. They can operate over a range of frequencies for both vertical and horizontal. Which is precisely what I stated: ... they have sets of horizontal and sets of vertical sweep frequencies which are detected by the interface ... I take it you are not an electrical engineer. I am. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 16, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Paul wrote: Many, if not all, LCD monitors have a single best resolution and frequency. Many, if not all, monitors of ANY TYPE have a single best resolution and frequency, moreso with CRTs than with LCDs, however. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 16, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Clark Martin wrote: CRTs have no inherent resolution ... Sure they do. They either have one and only one horizontal sweep frequency and one and only one vertical sweep frequency, or they have sets of horizontal and sets of vertical sweep frequencies which are detected by the interface and automatically switched by adding or deleting resonant elements, usually capacitors, to select the new frequencies. There is a limited capture range for each set of frequencies. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Second drive problems?
On May 15, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Al Poulin wrote: Maybe need to make a jumper change on the drives? Need help from the experts on this list. The bottom drive, the orignal, should be Master. The top drive, the additional, should be Slave. Or, you could reverse the two with no negative effects. If there is only one drive, then it must be the one at the very end of the cable, and it must be Master. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 15, 2009, at 9:35 PM, dorayme wrote: But one thing that is puzzling is how to find out the native resolution of my screens without digging out the documentation. There seems no Mac software that tells this? On a modern card connected to a modern monitor, the software reads the monitor which returns its various resolutions and maximum frequencies. These resolutions and frequencies are presented as options in the Displays control panel. If a particular resolution or a particular frequency is not shown, it is not supported. Usually, you are given nearly all of the usual suspect resolutions, but not necessarily all of the frequencies. On my present monitor, a 23 LCD, I am given up to 1920 x 1200, bit this resolution is a tad unstable on the right side, so I back down to 1680 x 1050, and at 1680 x 1050 I am given the frequency options of 56, 59 and 60 Hz. I selected 60 Hz. The corresponding About This Mac ... data is: ATY,Rage128Pro: Chipset Model: ATY,Rage128Pro Type:Display Bus: AGP Slot:SLOT-1 VRAM (Total):16 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x5046 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision:113-72701-130 Displays: MB24W: Resolution: 1680 x 1050 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image: Not Supported Main Display:Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Not Supported Bottom line: there are a number of native resolutions, and within each, there are a number of native frequencies. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 11:48 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: No problem with Software Update on my dual 2.3 GHz G5 for the 466MB version. As expected, there were some surprises ... some VERY RUDE surprises ... with the latest, and possibly the last update to 10.5, 10.5.7. At least in the one Hack which I updated today, the machine was bricked (that is, it was made unusable) by the update. Also, the smaller non-Combo updates have problems, and they may not download, or they may not install properly, so the much larger Combo Update should be one's starting point, whether a Mack or a Hack. The size of the Combo Update exceeds the capacity of CD media, so this update will have to be written to flash drive or to DVD media. Those with G4 Macks should consider a DVD as the USB is only 1.1. Those with Hacks should consider a flash drive as the USB is 2.0. However, at this time, no Hacks should attempt an update to 10.5.7. Instead, all Hacks should have the Check for updates option of Software Update set to unchecked (that is DO NOT CHECK for software updates). http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet? Also a Security update for 10.4.11
On May 13, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: Just checked on my work DA running 10.4.11 and there is a Security Update also available for 10.4. 77.3 MB, and downloading now, says 6 minutes, but we are on a low end dsl here. My DA (dual 1.0 GHz QS 2002 processor) which is quad-booted with 10.5, 10.4, 10.3 Server and 10.3, had the update from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7 installed today, perfectly, from the very large Combo Update (which had been separately downloaded and written to a DVD), and 10.4.11 had the security update applied, perfectly as well. 10.4.11 is this computer's normal system, and it includes Classic. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 12, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Yep, mine aborted also so I'm doing the 729 Mb combo update. Going pretty quick. Mine aborted, too, so I am now downloading the Combo Update, and I will write that to a USB 2.0 stick for later application to my sole remaining G4 Mack, and to my several Intel Hacks. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Shuffling SATA PATA HDs in Yikes! and QS 2002
On May 7, 2009, at 4:06 PM, insightinmind wrote: I also researched 7200.11 vs 7200.12 ... still up in the air about this new development. The 333 drive is from its new family, 3 platters instead of 4. This not withstanding the 333 is .11 and the other is .12. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 MDD and a second CD/DVD drive
On May 6, 2009, at 1:28 AM, Chris Ferne wrote: No problems about the installation but I'm curious about the operation of 2 drives: which one ejects from the eject key? - and how is the other one's tray controlled? Use the pull-down menu to select the drive to eject/inject. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Ethernet Duel G4 want start after updating.
On May 5, 2009, at 7:06 AM, photoARTcom wrote: Not one but two of my G4 machines started to display a static sound when starting up. This is after I downloaded an updated from apple. After the restart both machines stop working . They are not completely dead but no tone and no start up. Check and replace, as necessary, the 3.6 volt 1/2AA PRAM battery. A brand-new battery will read approximately 3.68 volts. It stays at the 3.6 volt level, at least, for about 99.44 percent of its lifetime, then it slowly tends towards 3.2 volts. It is considered dead at 3.0 volts, although most models will continue to operate properly until somewhat below 3.0 volts. The curve is so steep at 3.0 volts that you might as well toss the battery. These batteries are so ubiquitous that Mac recyclers generally pull them, test them and sell them, usually for a buck a battery for such a pull. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Lightscribe DVD burners for Leopard
On May 2, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Steve R wrote: Does anyone have any recommendations for a lightscribe DVD burner for Leopard? It 'appears' that some burners don't work in OS X and some software doesn't work either. Very confusing in google with dates varying from 2005 onwards. Leopard accepts all DVD burners as supported. Not so for Tiger and Panther, which require PathBurn for support of non-Apple-shipped drives. By the time Apple shipped Leopard, it was supporting Pioneer drives, such as DVR-109, DVR-110 and DVR-111, which required PatchBurn under earlier MacOSes. I now buy mainly Lite-On LightScribe SATA drives, or, more recently, Samsung LightScribe SATA drives, even though I never use LightScribe media. Neither require any special support under Leo. Under Leo, both of these will say: Burn Support (Yes, Generic Drive Support). Of course, the usual suspect applications already support those drives. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW with issues
On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Devin Glenn wrote: where is the ROM chip on the BW? Its the very tiny gull wing package which is next to the CPU. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW with issues
On Apr 27, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Devin Glenn wrote: do you have a picture of it? where is the ROM chip on the BW? Its the very tiny gull wing package which is next to the CPU. The device is labeled U37 and ROM in white lettering on the board. The device is more particularly described as: LH28E008BVT-BTL10 SHARP Japan From the above, we can conclude that it is an electrically reprogrammable (28E series) device with 8 MB capacity and a speed of 100 nS. It is probably 5 volt only. It can be reprogrammed from an application. However, as with most such devices, if the so-called BOOT BLOCKS (the first physical block within the device) is damaged, it cannot be reprogrammed because you cannot boot the Mac in order to do so. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW with issues
On Apr 27, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Devin Glenn wrote: do you have a picture of it? Might check:http://www.macgurus.com/products/motherboards/ mboardsppcseries.php It is the unidentified chip which is located between the PCI Bridge Chip and the Jumper Block: http://www.macgurus.com/products/motherboards/mbppcg3bw.php --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Replacing PS fan Quicksilver
On Apr 24, 2009, at 5:37 PM, insightinmind wrote: When my partner's PC power supply / fan went bad, we replaced the entire power supply as a unit. It was safer to do that. You're trying to replace that one? the one that is inside the psu? I believe there is also a capacitor inside the psu that holds a dangerous charge even after the psu is unplugged ... do not know anything at all about it, but that's why there's a Danger sticker on the psu. The dc bus inside the PSU is 325 volts. There aren't a lot of safety features within the PSU itself as it is not considered to be a repairable unit. It isn't even intended to be repaired by anyone outside of the original manufacturer. However ... Someone who exercises appropriate caution can replace the fan with an identical one (unavailable as a repair part) or one which is nearly identical (which can be determined by a physical inspection, once the PSU is apart). Most fans are connected to the PSU's internal 12 volt bus through a small Molex (or similar) connector. The replacement fan is spliced to the remnants of the old fan's connector, and the replacement is installed as the original fan was. That's the best which can be done under the circumstances. As you can, with caution, disconnect the failed fan, apply the connector to the replacement fan, and install the replacement fan without coming into contact with the 325 volt bus, such a repair is quite feasible. I have replaced several Apple PSU fans in that way, and the results were good. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Replacing PS fan Quicksilver
On Apr 24, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Meghrouni Vince wrote: Does pressing the power button after the unit is unplugged assist in reducing stored power? It doesn't, and it can't. There is not enough charge stored to start the inverter's oscillator, yet the capacitor is still charged to a dangerous voltage. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: question
On Apr 11, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Where can I find definitions for the various abbreviations that are used in List messages? Google on Apple model code names. This will give you, as the first hit: http://applemuseum.bott.org/sections/codenames.html http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cable routing in MDD
On Apr 11, 2009, at 12:45 PM, MacGuy wrote: is there a good, better, best way to rout them to the hard drive carriers? can I rout them under the motherboard around the edge without problems? SATA cables may not be tightly bent. Actually, they should not be bent at all, although a shallow bend is usually OK. In particular, 90 degree bends are verboten! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Display Options with Beige G3?
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Clark Martin wrote: I'd just use a VGA LCD. You may need a VGA adapter, depending on your video board. You can get a 17 monitor for under $100 if you shop around. 19/20 SVGA LCD displays are so competitively priced there is little reason NOT to go with one of them. I have an Envision, and it calibrates quite well, and gives very good results, this notwithstanding its 75 Hz maximum frame rate. I use it at 1280 x 1024, millions of colors, on all machines, through a 4-way USB KVM. For Beiges, 19 CRTs are a sure thing. These are not as tolerant of displays, or of KVMs. I use these directly. For later models, I wouldn't use a CRT ... they're just too heavy, and too retro. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How do I partition a drive?
On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:44 AM, PETE wrote: My G3 iMac and BW both have the 120GB limit, and I just partitioned the drives so that both partitions were less than 100GB. Why all the concern of getting the 128GB so exact? Because the firmware in the QS 2001 and earlier models do not support accessing beyond 131,072 MB, which happens to be 128 GB. These models, which certainly includes all G3s, and most early G4s, have a limitation which is inherent in the firmware, but it is not an absolute contraindication. The method for addressing beyond 131,072 MB is compatible with that method for addressing 131,072 MB and below: 1) addressing up to 131,072 MB requires one command data buffer, which supports 24 bit addressing, and 2) addressing beyond 131,072 MB requires two command data buffers, each of which supports 24 bit addressing, for a total of 48 bits. The large drives all know about the two CDBs, and are prepared to accept them. If the drives only receive the first CDB, then only the first 131,072 MB will be accessed. If the drives receive both CDBs, then the entire drive will be accessed. Modifying the affected model to support two CDBs can be done in two ways: 1) by installing the High Cap kext (MacOS 10.4.11 and below, including G3s), and 2) by installing the LBA48 property patches to the firmware (MacOS X, 10.3, 10.4 and 10.5, including most G4s, but not including G3s). After either of the above has been installed, the entire capacity of the drive may be accessed as a single partition. However, it is still safer to install a partition break at precisely 131,072 MB just in case the High Cap kext or the LBA48 property patch has been dropped by mistake. With a partition break at precisely 131,072 MB, that portion of the drive may always be accessed. And, should the remaining portion be observed to be missing, remedial tasks may be executed to correct the problem. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: How do I partition a drive?
On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Steve R wrote: I guess I've been lucky. So, without using InTech tools, and say having a 250GB hard drive, I could conceivably create a first partition of 125GB, a second partition of 5GB that would remain unused so nothing writes to it, and a third partition of the remaining space? Or is when that 5GB gets corrupt, it also messes up the other partitions? It is OK to specify any number up to and including 131,072 MB (128 GB), but 131,072 MB is best. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Erase a drive to sell
On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: It was my job for about 3 months at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories (science and weapons development). We literally had to securely destroy hundreds of Mac’s and PC’s during their upgrade ... In a former job at a large mainframe manufacturer, we sold mainframes and systems to every one of the so-called three-letter agencies. In every case, magnetic media was treated as the proverbial Roach Motel ... media went in, it NEVER came out. The agencies took care of destruction, and paid full retail price for the replacement. Even on mandatory engineering changes, sometimes the agencies elected to shred the PCBs even though the subject boards did not contain any memory elements. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: LCD Cleaning???
On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:43 AM, wtob...@aol.com wrote: .To be more specific about the alcohol.I was told to never use rubbing (Isopropyl) alcohol on any of my camera lenses to remove smudges from the front element by Nikon or its coating may be damaged...and that only a mix of distilled water and denatured alcohol would work. Denatured alcohol is any formulation of ethanol (grain alcohol, ordinarily used as an intoxicating beverage) and a denaturant which renders it unfit for human consumption. Gasoline is a common denaturant for grain alcohol intended for ethanol additives for gasoline. Nicotine is also a common denaturant. I suspect that grain alcohol which is used in lens cleaning fluid has a specific denaturant added which may be significantly different than that which is added, by law, for motor fuels and vinegar production. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Erase a drive to sell
On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: Will a magnet work OK and how heavy a magnet should it be? On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:41 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: You would make them unusable Is this true? What is the mechanism that makes them unusable? The data is comprised of manufacturer's data cylinders and servo data, in addition to user data. Any erasure method which compromises any of the manufacturer's or servo data will render the drive completely useless. Small system drives are always of the fixed block architecture type, wherein the formatting was accomplished at the time of manufacture. Small system drives have not had a true formatting/initializing capability, in the traditional sense, for a number of decades. The format drive command is usually treated as a NOP (i.e., no operation). Mainframe drives of the count, key and data type, which have NEVER been found on small systems, always reformatted each track as these were written. It is still possible to compromise these drives by erasing the manufacturer's cylinders. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is the point of Mail.app??
On Mar 31, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: I have always wondered what the point of the mail app in osx? What is the advantage? Surely you're joking, Mr Feynman? Mail.app is a very good mail client, one which seems to talk quite effectively to mail servers from your traditional ISPs to your not-so- traditional AOL. At one point, Claris e...@iler was the only non-AOL mail client which could interface with AOL, but Mail.app (and some incremental improvements on AOL's part) eliminated e...@iler's distinction. Plus, e...@iler is a non-supported, Classic application. I run Mail.app on my sole remaining PPC Mac, a dual 1.0 GHz Digital Audio (Quicksilver processor), but I intend to move it to one of my Intel Hacks, shortly. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: What is the point of Mail.app??
On Mar 31, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: I run Mail.app on my sole remaining PPC Mac, a dual 1.0 GHz Digital Audio (Quicksilver processor), but I intend to move it to one of my Intel Hacks, shortly. It's also an excellent IMAP client. I run it on ALL my Macs. Yes, I agree. Mail.app is but one very good reason to run MacOS X. I run Tiger 10.4.11 on my sole remaining PPC Mac, and I run Leopard 10.5.6 on all my Intel Hacks (legal retail licenses, all). Funny ... the Intel Hacks are more reliable than the PPC Mack. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Multiple HDs in Sawtooth
On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:08 PM, nestamicky wrote: I'm going SCSI's on my Sawtooth...well, as soon as I get the help I need. I'm trying to figure out how to safely install more than a single HD in the Sawtooth. Ideas...someone here must have done it. This is a physical issue, of course I know how to hook them up...but where would I physically place 3 SCSIs and maybe an ATA as well. Is this possible? You need the Apple-accessory SCSI card and its special cable. The cable is the hard part to find. It has connectors for four drive, the maximum the machine can house in the lower part of the case, and an active terminator. The cable routing is non-intuitive. Best to see it on an actual machine, or possibly in the take-apart portion of the service manual. The first two SCSI drives go where the two ATA drives would, and in the same two-high carrier. The third and fourth drives go in the one-high carriers. 38 GB drives are available, but that may have been the maximum at that time. Certainly, larger drives were made, later. I did an all-SCSI update on my Beige MT and it was worth the effort as I also used ACARD SCSIDE converters to install 300 and 400 GB drives on that SCSI controller. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumpers again
On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: The tech guy told me that after I have successfully booted the computer (BW upgraded to G4), I should forget about the jumpers and just use SystemPreferences/Startup Disk to tell the Mac what drive to boot from. Master and slave are really not master per se nor slave per se. Both are peers (have the same priority) but have different identities (logical unit 0 and logical unit 1, for example). In the PCI card implementation of ATA, the two cables are divided up so that the drives appear as SCSI bus x, logical units 0 and 1, and logical units 2 and 3. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumpers
On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I want to install the Seagate as a slave until I can do a carbon copy clone. Then I want to use the Seagate as my new Master and the Quantum as a slave. If the Seagate must be set to CS in order to work in my BW, what should the jumper settings be for the Quantum? The BW and all later HD (and optical/Zip) cables are set up for CS, but these do not use it explicitly except during the initial roll call function of POST. This is related to a Compaq/HP patent for CS whereby the device characteristics of the attached drives may be more easily determined, and the motherboard chip thereby may be more easily set as to speed, etcetera. This procedure requires a cable which is set up for CS so that the host adapter may determine if a 40-wire/40-pin cable is attached, or if an 80-wire/40-pin cable is attached, and if the latter, then the speed of each drive may be interrogated by sending a special reset sequence to each of the attached drives. When I get the new drive, how do I set it to be the slave to the Quantum? The CS setting is somewhat confusing to me as it is neither Master of Slave. Thereafter (after roll call is complete) the Mac uses master and slave. By convention, the optical drive is always master and the Zip, or a hard drive which is installed in place of the Zip, is always slave. Also by convention, the lower drive of the two-drive carrier is always master (although it need not be, if a second drive is also present) while the upper drive of the carrier is slave. On the two-drive carrier and the HD bus, you may freely interchange master and slave as long as two drives are always present. Typically, I initialize new HDs in the Zip bay of the optical bus (I have NO Zips on any of my machines). Therefore, this HD is always slave. After testing is complete, I may then move it to the two-drive carrier, also as slave, but I could just as easily move it to the two- high carrier as master, retaining the slave which may already be there. (This allows for a lot of flexibility when CCC-ing backup or duplicate drives.) Most of my remaining G4s ... and I have about a half-dozen of them ... use a 160 GB master and a 500 GB slave, on the two-high carrier. The 160 GB drive has 10.3.9, 10.3.9 Server. 10.4.11 and 10.5.6 in the under 131,072 MB area, with about 25 GB left over as scratch (usually used for temporary storage for Toast). The 500 GB drive is a pure data drive and is generally partitioned as 131,072 MB and about 338 GB. With the availability of the LBA48 Property script for all G4s (and possibly for the BW and Yikes! as well) I could operate the drives without the hard 131,072 partitioning, but old habits die hard. Incidentally, I just yesterday acquired a QS 2001 to which had been applied a firmware update which gave that machine permanent large drive capability without using the LBA48 Property scripts. I tested this fact by executing a reset-nvram in O.F., and after the reboot the 200 GB drive was still seen as 200 GB and not as 128 GB. For non-QS machines, the LBA48 Property scripts remain an option. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 14, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Paul wrote: 1) Dual 1.0 GHz G4 -- 60 minutes [ 10.4.11, 1.5 GB 133 MHz RAM ] 2) Core 2 Duo E8400 running at 3.6 GHz -- 12.5 minutes (4.8 times as fast) [ 10.5.5, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] 3) Core 2 Quad Q9400 running at 3.2 GHz -- 10 minutes ( 6 times as fast) [ 10.5.6, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] How would a low-to-medium grade G5 compare? I have no G5s, so no data to compare. Given that those Intels were completed for a few hundred $$$ each, the price/performance of those Intels would far exceed the price/ performance of a G5, even on the off-hand chance that the G5 could turn in wall-clock numbers which exceeded those Intels (unlikely, but possible, I guess). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On Mar 14, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote: It could be argued and possibly answered by experiment that there could be a surface condition in the range between a very rough finish and a finish that imposes a Casimir force that would give the minimum thermal resistance at a reasonable cost of Time, Money and Resources. I would imagine that the Engineers at the Heat sink, Thermal Paste, Processor and Computer Manufacturers have thoroughly investigated the situation. If they have followed good engineering practices they have experimented and found a workable solution within the Triple Constraint (Money, Resources, Time). For the LGA 775 products from Intel, which present a very large surface area to the cooler, the most popular method of extreme cooling is lapping the processor and the cooler to flatness, followed by application of the best available heat transfer compound. The cooling surface of the processor is injection cast, and is not necessarily maximally flat, but it is certainly flat enough to transfer the rated heat to the supplied cooler under normal conditions, and improvements in the interface, and in the external cooling components can help significantly in the extreme cases. Liquid cooling is popular, and packaged solutions abound. Some motherboard manufactures. knowing that their customers will be liquid cooling the processors, offer motherboards with liquid cooling of the voltage regulator modules, the Northbridge, and even the Southbridge. Liquid-cooled RAM modules is less common, but are offered, too. For the BGA products from IBM and Freescale which are found on G4s, for example, a dramatically smaller surface is presented to the cooler, and the challenges are therefore greater. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On Mar 14, 2009, at 2:01 PM, Charles Davis wrote: The 'Electrically conductive' being a problem is NOT between the processor heat sink, it's the problem caused by 'excess conductive paste' oozing onto circuit traces adjacent to the processor, and shorting various signals and/or power traces. I.E. Sloppy application With over-application of Arctic Silver, for example, to a G4, there are power decoupling lines on the surface of the chip which can be shorted-out by such oozing. The washer which Apple generally applies to its processors can limit the intrusion of the conductive paste to those lines. However, over-application will usually get underneath the washer and be resistant to attempts to remove it. If you over-apply Arctic Silver, you are asking for trouble. If you over-apply silicone thermal grease, there is no issue except for the mess. Pine-Sol®, applied full-strength, can dissolve most such greases. And, as Pine-Sol is water-soluble, the excess grease, then in suspension, will simply, and completely wash-off. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On Mar 13, 2009, at 6:54 AM, insightinmind wrote: I have a Dual 1GHz QS 2002 ... seems to be working fine ... just concerned about age. Would it be advisable to go on and remove the heatsink(s), clean the surfaces, and re-apply thermal grease? Sort of preventive maintenance? In the specific cases of the Gig-E, DA, QS and similar, removing the processor involves removing the heatsink. In fact, the heatsink may be removed without removing the processor. Apple employed a special heat transfer tape on these models. The tape sticks to the underside of the heatsink, and the functional side of the tape comes into contact with the processor. The heat transfer material on the functional side of the tape is essentially single-use. Carefully cleaning both the tape and the processor, and then applying an appropriate heat transfer substance (grease/paste/whatever) is required if a replacement tape is not available. Those self-stick tapes are occasionally available. About a dollar or so apiece. Me, I just clean the surfaces appropriately and then apply silicone thermal grease. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Latest on SATA PCI for a Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz
On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:24 AM, insightinmind wrote: I'm guessing, but on my Yikes!, even with the LBA48 mode firmware patch, the Sonnet ATA100 still would not function as a 128GB drive PCI controller card, either for PATA drives or for the adapted SATA ones. Or would it? The LBA48 property is added persistently (meaning, it stays installed even after the machine is rebooted, or is powered-off), but only to the on-mobo IDE channel(s). There is one LBA48 installer script for the HD bus, and another for the optical bus, as these two buses are usually 2:1 ... higher performance for the HD bus and lower performance for the optical bus. Once these properties have been persistently added, these are present during booting, too, so you could ... theoretically ... boot from a single-partition 500 GB drive. The main difference between this and the High-Cap kext is the kext is only available after booting has been completed, therefore it cannot be used during the booting process itself, thereby forcing OS X to reside below the line. The LBA48 property exists solely for the on-mobo ATA channels, and it does not, and cannot be used for the-off-mobo channels, which are PCI cards. Besides which, the off-mobo ATA channels are really being modeled as SCSI and not as PATA, and there is no limit for a true SCSI, although there is that very same 131,072 MB limit for a simulated SCSI. Just buy a PCI SATA controller card? Always an option, and as most new drive developments is being done on SATA drives, this is the smart choice, although one with an investment in large PATA drives might prefer the first choice, LBA48. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 12, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Stephen Weber wrote: Were there any multicore G Series processors? Depends upon what you call G. From Apple, no. But IBM, the originator of the Power Architecture, and owner of the G design, certainly has multiple-cores. IOW, there are Gs beyond G5, just not ones which Apple has employed. A former professional colleague is using multiple-core Gs within his company's fiber channel products. For their application, the Power architecture is best pricer-performer. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 12, 2009, at 1:50 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: Question: I am looking at another Dual 1 ghz powermac quicksilver. In the picture i can see the computer says 1mb L3 chache per processor. I thought those had 2mb cach? They have 2 MB, each. I suppose Apple could have built them with less, but they didn't. If one of the two cache chips fails, then About This Mac ... will report 1 MB of L3 cache. If both cache chips fail, then About This Mac ... will report no L3 cache. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Clark Martin wrote: But IBM, the originator of the Power Architecture, and owner of the G design, certainly has multiple-cores. AFAIK the G designation was an Apple thing. IBM calls it Power something and the specific line used in Macs was the Power PC. IOW, there are Gs beyond G5, just not ones which Apple has employed. The G designation is very much an IBM thing. I believe IBM is now up to G7 (Generation 7). To add to the confusion, IBM has Generation x Power Architecture chips and also Generation y System/390\z/System chips. The first CMOS processor from IBM which I worked on was the G3 (System/390), and that processor pre-dated the Apple G3 (Power Architecture). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On Mar 12, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Stephen Weber wrote: You might want to read some documentation on the CPU, there might be something in there about thermal grease. I know the processor upgrade that I got for my BW said not to use any thermal grease because it already had something on it. If you do decide to put on some thermal grease remember to use just a very very tiny bit because it spreads when you clamp the heat sink back on. Silicone thermal grease needs no special preparation. Arctic Silver must be applied according to instructions, as this stuff is conductive, and it can short-out a processor, if improperly applied. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 11, 2009, at 4:08 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: I am looking to upgrade my numerous existing powermac g4s and g3s with one good powermac. I want dual processors. I have looked at the quicksilvers and the MDD's. What would be the best one for my money. I will be running mac os 10.4 server. Most economical would be the DA or QS. Both are amenable to the LBA48 property addition to the ROM, thereby giving both the capability of the QS 2002 and later G4 Macs. I would recommend the dual 1.0 GHz from the QS 2002 over the dual 800 MHz from the QS 2001. The DA (any variant) and the QS 2001 and QS 2002 are 133 MHz bus machines, with four spare PCI slots in addition to the standard AGP video slot, and 1.5 GB RAM, maximum. These are very inexpensive, and are maximally trouble-free. If you must install a non-Apple CPU, the Giga-Designs and OWC are the same, and are available in singles and, occasionally, in duals. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
