Re: [Audyssey] Problem with Adrift 4.0
Hi Tom, Yes, I know that about the adrift. But there are some guys on the rec.arts.int-fiction forum that write there from time to time, even there was an interest for the accessibility on boath the english and the italian groups that I follow. So you have the great chance for the answer there. Best regards, and hope that once I will succeed helping you after numerous times you helped me with gaming and once with coding an inform project (that actually have never seen the daylight, but nevermind). :) Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Problem with Adrift 4.0 Hi Milos, I probably will if I don't find out any answers here. I was just checking to see if anyone knows if this is a screen reader thing or an issue with Adrift itself. However, I would like to point out with Adrift there actually isn't any programming involved which is one reason I like it. Basically, what you have as an IDE with pull down menus and dialog boxes. To create rooms, characters, and items you simply bring up the proper dialog box, fill out the fields, click ok and it is added to the game. Save your work and you have an instant text adventure. Of course the fact you do not have direct access to the code is something of a disadvantage as well. Cheers! On 2/27/11, Milos Przic milos.pr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Tom, I don't know programming in Adrift, I still didn't try it as I don't have enough time. However, why wouldn't you ask this on the intfiction.org forum, or on the rec.arts.int-fiction newsgroup? Best regards! Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5912 (20110227) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5912 (20110227) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] pkb group dead
no I don't mind, in fact I never thought about that. At 05:17 p.m. 28/02/2011, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Oh, I can't resist saying this. Altogether munchkins let's sing our song. Ding dong the group is dead. The group is dead. The group is dead. Ding dong the PKB group is dead. Hahaha. Hope you don't mind a little kidding around. Lol! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] pkb group dead
Well you can but its pointless its dead. So is the folder you can look on groupsim for the pkb chat if you just want to be part of a group which has nothing on it. It does not exist anymore. in fact all the material is basically non usefull to most, i have the entire folder as does a lot of group members, and I have that archive uploaded to dropbox but thats about all the group projects that work. Seriously unless you plan to use as an actual job autoit as a language i wouldn't bother. simple games exist and some programs but its rather not much. At 08:51 p.m. 28/02/2011, you wrote: How to joyn in this group? Thanks! -Mesaj original- From: shaun everiss Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:50 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] pkb group dead hmm the zip for the text is below http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/pkb%20archive%20readme.zip Hmmm what stuff contains. There is a hastelly scribbled contents in untidy fashon in the file. 6 wins a stones like game, alpha. archery. Alpha, 5 rounds with configurable ini file. blackjack 2.1 game sound packs which include mods and missions for lonewolf and a mod for startrek final conflict ds9 type. helisim, uncompleted sim for copter. then there are files for skype, drive cleaning, cd drives and other utilities I can't remember off the top of my head. then there are games for startrek, pc blaster and another fast arcade also stargate sims. All in states of either finnished or not. skeeball, a bgt game which is ok for what it is. table tennis an alpha again. and another weird app created around the time of the soccer world cup in africa. Most of this is for autoit, and most of this was never finnished. These are all playable but make use of these as you wish. there is another gb of stuff pkb wrote, which consisted of audio libs, voice libs and other includes which are no use to players or devs its all for the autoit system anyway. There are a few engine sims which are included in the archive for just something to do but the rest of the stuff either does not work, is quite broke or just is not much to look at. Ie wasn't put up to play as yet, testing sfx etc. Some stuff in fact was never finnished or started but never had anything done to it. There are some games with potentual, like a press your luck game but all it had was the output code to run it and nothing else. in fact before I hacked it it didn't even exit, which it does but thats all it does. Some projects were missing files which I put in. on that note if anyone is interested I can put up an archive for devs. This will not have all the gb of stuff pkb did but it will have all the libs help files and includes with some examples, and a few other things. Though most of this was for autoit, the group never got started as such on anything else. There was a train sim but the version I have is quite broke and unworthy for any production, it was really not that interesting in its current state. In fact i fully expect peothe archive to get smaller. Please review the gamesand programs and what you find usefull. If many don't find something good I will make it go away from the archive. its 500mb in size right now but it could easily get smaller. The group I think started 2 years ago, it was for making simple games and programs. in its day it was good. It had a car sound lib somewhere that was put up, but who knows. it was origionally a groupsim address and a dropbox folder and at one stage took 2gb of space dropping to 1.26 gb in size. The group is not fully dead though as most are on the bgt test folder on dropbox. then again most bgt devs are on there, a few pkb members either test or develop. I know some of our stuff has been superseeded to. At 07:20 a.m. 28/02/2011, you wrote: What data do these stuff contain? - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:41 AM Subject: [Audyssey] pkb group dead Hi all. This is to advise all the pkb games group is no more due to lack of interest. I got permission to put up what I thought was usefull. The archive is about 500mb in size and will stay up until I need the space. I have enough for now, so it will stay up for a while. there are several ways to get these. 1. dropbox links. 2. links from the onj.me service. There are 2 files. 1 the readme and nex the archive http://onj.me/pkbdocthe this link will bring up the text file. archive is at http://onj.me/pkbarc if these don't work. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/pkb%20archive%20readme.txt http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1407689/pkbarchive.zip thanks all. the files will be kept for those that want them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be
Re: [Audyssey] assistance with playing time adventures
I bought it. Simon msn: simod...@hotmail.com skype, slifinger fortis et egregious - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] assistance with playing time adventures How in the name of heck did you ever get that game... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of simon dowling Sent: 26 February 2011 18:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] assistance with playing time adventures s p o i l e r s p a c e offer to complete the work making the bronze figure, refer back to the paper that you got when reading the book in the house. Simon msn: simod...@hotmail.com skype, slifinger fortis et egregious - Original Message - From: alex wallis alexwallis...@googlemail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 5:05 PM Subject: [Audyssey] assistance with playing time adventures Hi list. Wondering if anyone can help me out with a fairly old game, time adventures which used to be distributed by code factory. I am at one part in the game, and I can't progress, I am not sure if its me who has done something wrong, or if the game is just buggy and I will have to start over again. I dug up the clue book from the audio games.net forum, and had a look at the thread where someone was experiencing the same issue, but no solution was posted. The section I am having problems with, is when you are back in ancient griece, and you have to finish the statue and borrow the crane so that two of the guests can go to the party. the clue book states I need to talk to the architects assistants, but he doesn't appear to have any assistants to talk to, or at least they are not mentioned on the menu of options. I tried to take the crane, and got two different lectures about not touching it. and I have tried talking to the architect several times. the first time he said I couldn't have the crane, and the second he declined the invite to the party, so then I talked to him a third time and it was the same conversation with him declining the invitation. I tried to build the statue, but he hasn't asked me, so of course I can't do anything with the wax etc. any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Alex. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5909 (20110226) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5910 (20110226) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5911 (20110227) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5913 (20110228) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
[Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi list I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. This recording is very straightforward. There's no strong language, but I use the bible often in this recording. I'd like to hear what you think. Here is the link http://www.sendspace.com/file/wdww6p regards. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] sincere request to phil
On the drink issue, it reminds me of a rather funny quote from one of the father Brown detective stories by gk chesterton. Father brown (a catholic priest), is at a hotel and is offered a glass of lemonade with his dinner instead of wine because the hotel staff assume he believes wine to be against christian principles. he replies Ah, we prefer to remember that our lord's first miracle was to turn water into wine, and not the other way around ;d. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] sincere request to phil HI Charles, Well said. I couldn't have said it better myself. I mean some of these religious types need to just need to relax and look at things rationally. They also need to draw a line between harmless make believe and reality. I too have been harped on by religious types about alcohol, but they clearly don't know what they are talking about. I'm not a drunk, an alcoholic, and I have a glass of beer or wine once and a while and that doesn't make me into a drunk by any means. Yet there are people who constantly tell me I'm going to hell because of it. That's just stupidity talking. I could talk about my choice in music, the games I play, what I drink, the way I whare my hair, and some religious person will have something to complain about. So I don't worry about it. All I care about is my own personal relationship with God, and let him decide if what I'm doing is right, wrong, or otherwise. Everyone else can go jump in a lake if they don't like it. On 2/27/11, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: What are your own personal beliefs about playing games? Those are more important then the beliefs of an intolerant Church that bases all games on a single aspect that may or may not be the main theme of the game. The same goes for books. I base my beliefs of a book on what I have read rather than what I have been told by others about the book. In the case of Sarah, do you believe that Phil wants anything to do with anything against God, or that he wants others to stray from God? When deciding to play a game or not, I think it is more important to base my beliefs of a game's merit on how the game affects me. If it causes me to become a violent person, if it changes my character, if it changes how I deal with others, then I should not play that game. When I was a kid, the church I attended did not believe in the use of cards in games. They believed that playing cards would lead to gambling and was a sin. I did not believe it. I am not a gambler to this day. They also did not believe in dancing because it would lead to sinful behavior. They felt the same about drinking alcoholic beverages. I have done all 3 of these things. I am a Christian. I am not an alcoholic, I do not partake in sinful behavior with women, and I do not gamble. What matters is what you do with what is presented to you, not the material itself. If you allow it to affect you in a nonChristian way, it is not the fault of the game, the beer, or the women. It is the fault of you. I am adult enough to know the difference between reality and make believe, and I do not allow one to creep into the other. Phil's game is a game, and nothing more. Shades of Doom is a game, and nothing more. I will never kill someone in real life because of a game I have played or a book I have read. I am a big fan of the Harry Potter series, but will never try to cast a spell to open a door. I know it won't work. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi Nicol. What you're basically saying here, to me, is that people should only consider Jehova witnesses when making games. You and only you. Calling others without love for goodness because they create games with violence and supernatural aspects to them is very, very judgmental. Just because one small bunch of people does not like arcade games that have violence and shooting, you guys are allowed to call people who make games like that basically heartless. Video games have always had some degree of violence to them. Mario brothers is a good example of... uh, supernatural, I think. Sure the violence is cartoonish, but violence is violence. So your logic is very, very flawed. I am a Christian. I am not the type to preach constantly, but I point you to the verse in the bible that says judge not, lest ye be judged. That's a verse that always rang true for me, but there are times when I judge, despite that. And now is one of them. I think certain Christian groups need to wake up and realize that the world does not, and will not, bend to your ways. Simply because you believe that violent games are a form of delving into the things of Satan does not mean everyone else believes it. People don't play violent games because they love violence. I play Street Fighter for the work it does for my brain, the competition when I play with friends, and to build skills of keeping track of things as well as reflexes. That is the same reason I love Shades of Doom, Blast Chamber's shooting aspects, and Mota. Tom has done a more than exellent job with Mota... and it saddens me to see it put down, simply because it does not agree with someone's spiritual beliefs. Although I am a Christian, I feel the need to say that there are way too many Christians in this world who think all too highly of themselves. The majority of us tend to think that the world should all believe in God, and do anything to enforce that view. Christians have always preached for peace and no violence... yet what happened during the crusades? People need to realize that it's the majority in the world that decides things, and unfortunately, there's other religions in the world... not just Christianity! Shocker, eh? I don't like to talk about these things much... I'd rather save my energy for something else more productive. There's more that I could say, but I think I've pointed out most of what has to be pointed out. Am I a believer in God? Yes. Do I believe 100% of everything I hear from the bible? Not always. Why? Because there are many, many contradictory things in there and frankly, following the basic morals of peace and love in the bible are enough for me. I sing and play Christian worship music, I have Christian friends and I pray on a daily basis. But I would not go so far as to put down a developer or anyone else who did something they felt satisfied their target audience, no matter what my beliefs. I'll probably come back and say more later. But Nicol, I am going to leave you and all other christians who might have the same view on this list with a question. And I urge you to be careful how you answer this one. I am currently starting to practice a martial art. It is an art known as Iaido, and consists of sword techniques used to dispatch an opponent at the same time you draw the sword, flicking the blood off the blade and resheathing. I have been going at it for 2 months, and the fact that it's an art that was once used as a method of killing does not bother me in the least. Does that make me in any way evil or unloving? Especially since the philosophy behind the art is never using it unless you have to, and the teachings of the art are centered around doing things with full commitment, treating others equally and acting with honor? Answer that question for me, if you will. Just something to think about. Anyone else is welcome to ask questions about the art... though as that is somewhat off-topic, if you are curious, please email offlist. Clement. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Wow dude. Really well written and echos what I would say, but way more eloquently. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:43 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Hi Nicol. What you're basically saying here, to me, is that people should only consider Jehova witnesses when making games. You and only you. Calling others without love for goodness because they create games with violence and supernatural aspects to them is very, very judgmental. Just because one small bunch of people does not like arcade games that have violence and shooting, you guys are allowed to call people who make games like that basically heartless. Video games have always had some degree of violence to them. Mario brothers is a good example of... uh, supernatural, I think. Sure the violence is cartoonish, but violence is violence. So your logic is very, very flawed. I am a Christian. I am not the type to preach constantly, but I point you to the verse in the bible that says judge not, lest ye be judged. That's a verse that always rang true for me, but there are times when I judge, despite that. And now is one of them. I think certain Christian groups need to wake up and realize that the world does not, and will not, bend to your ways. Simply because you believe that violent games are a form of delving into the things of Satan does not mean everyone else believes it. People don't play violent games because they love violence. I play Street Fighter for the work it does for my brain, the competition when I play with friends, and to build skills of keeping track of things as well as reflexes. That is the same reason I love Shades of Doom, Blast Chamber's shooting aspects, and Mota. Tom has done a more than exellent job with Mota... and it saddens me to see it put down, simply because it does not agree with someone's spiritual beliefs. Although I am a Christian, I feel the need to say that there are way too many Christians in this world who think all too highly of themselves. The majority of us tend to think that the world should all believe in God, and do anything to enforce that view. Christians have always preached for peace and no violence... yet what happened during the crusades? People need to realize that it's the majority in the world that decides things, and unfortunately, there's other religions in the world... not just Christianity! Shocker, eh? I don't like to talk about these things much... I'd rather save my energy for something else more productive. There's more that I could say, but I think I've pointed out most of what has to be pointed out. Am I a believer in God? Yes. Do I believe 100% of everything I hear from the bible? Not always. Why? Because there are many, many contradictory things in there and frankly, following the basic morals of peace and love in the bible are enough for me. I sing and play Christian worship music, I have Christian friends and I pray on a daily basis. But I would not go so far as to put down a developer or anyone else who did something they felt satisfied their target audience, no matter what my beliefs. I'll probably come back and say more later. But Nicol, I am going to leave you and all other christians who might have the same view on this list with a question. And I urge you to be careful how you answer this one. I am currently starting to practice a martial art. It is an art known as Iaido, and consists of sword techniques used to dispatch an opponent at the same time you draw the sword, flicking the blood off the blade and resheathing. I have been going at it for 2 months, and the fact that it's an art that was once used as a method of killing does not bother me in the least. Does that make me in any way evil or unloving? Especially since the philosophy behind the art is never using it unless you have to, and the teachings of the art are centered around doing things with full commitment, treating others equally and acting with honor? Answer that question for me, if you will. Just something to think about. Anyone else is welcome to ask questions about the art... though as that is somewhat off-topic, if you are curious, please email offlist. Clement. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Well games are for entertainment only. If someone takes it for more than that, Please seek help for your head. I do be leave in God, but do not and never will be leave in programmed religion! And you really don't want me going past that thought. The games are there to play and no one will twist arm to buy or play them. I hope they come out with more, because it is different and just plane fun. At 06:45 AM 2/28/2011, you wrote: Hi list I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. This recording is very straightforward. There's no strong language, but I use the bible often in this recording. I'd like to hear what you think. Here is the link http://www.sendspace.com/file/wdww6p regards. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
I try. lol. Did you like my question at the end? At 04:47 AM 28/02/2011, you wrote: Wow dude. Really well written and echos what I would say, but way more eloquently. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:43 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Hi Nicol. What you're basically saying here, to me, is that people should only consider Jehova witnesses when making games. You and only you. Calling others without love for goodness because they create games with violence and supernatural aspects to them is very, very judgmental. Just because one small bunch of people does not like arcade games that have violence and shooting, you guys are allowed to call people who make games like that basically heartless. Video games have always had some degree of violence to them. Mario brothers is a good example of... uh, supernatural, I think. Sure the violence is cartoonish, but violence is violence. So your logic is very, very flawed. I am a Christian. I am not the type to preach constantly, but I point you to the verse in the bible that says judge not, lest ye be judged. That's a verse that always rang true for me, but there are times when I judge, despite that. And now is one of them. I think certain Christian groups need to wake up and realize that the world does not, and will not, bend to your ways. Simply because you believe that violent games are a form of delving into the things of Satan does not mean everyone else believes it. People don't play violent games because they love violence. I play Street Fighter for the work it does for my brain, the competition when I play with friends, and to build skills of keeping track of things as well as reflexes. That is the same reason I love Shades of Doom, Blast Chamber's shooting aspects, and Mota. Tom has done a more than exellent job with Mota... and it saddens me to see it put down, simply because it does not agree with someone's spiritual beliefs. Although I am a Christian, I feel the need to say that there are way too many Christians in this world who think all too highly of themselves. The majority of us tend to think that the world should all believe in God, and do anything to enforce that view. Christians have always preached for peace and no violence... yet what happened during the crusades? People need to realize that it's the majority in the world that decides things, and unfortunately, there's other religions in the world... not just Christianity! Shocker, eh? I don't like to talk about these things much... I'd rather save my energy for something else more productive. There's more that I could say, but I think I've pointed out most of what has to be pointed out. Am I a believer in God? Yes. Do I believe 100% of everything I hear from the bible? Not always. Why? Because there are many, many contradictory things in there and frankly, following the basic morals of peace and love in the bible are enough for me. I sing and play Christian worship music, I have Christian friends and I pray on a daily basis. But I would not go so far as to put down a developer or anyone else who did something they felt satisfied their target audience, no matter what my beliefs. I'll probably come back and say more later. But Nicol, I am going to leave you and all other christians who might have the same view on this list with a question. And I urge you to be careful how you answer this one. I am currently starting to practice a martial art. It is an art known as Iaido, and consists of sword techniques used to dispatch an opponent at the same time you draw the sword, flicking the blood off the blade and resheathing. I have been going at it for 2 months, and the fact that it's an art that was once used as a method of killing does not bother me in the least. Does that make me in any way evil or unloving? Especially since the philosophy behind the art is never using it unless you have to, and the teachings of the art are centered around doing things with full commitment, treating others equally and acting with honor? Answer that question for me, if you will. Just something to think about. Anyone else is welcome to ask questions about the art... though as that is somewhat off-topic, if you are curious, please email offlist. Clement. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send
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Hi I'm catholic, and I have baptist and luthern friends. There's nothing wrong with harry potter, doom, those games. I know that they are fiction. Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Actually Catholics do not do the same thing with the rosary. You seem to have been misinformed somehow. The If you read the following websites you will be able to obtain more accurate information. http://www.catholic.com/library/Rosary.asp http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0212fea4sb1.asp http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9409fea3.asp Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Good... but could you just post to the thread already in existence next time instead of creating another one? Thanks. At 06:35 AM 28/02/2011, you wrote: Hi I'm catholic, and I have baptist and luthern friends. There's nothing wrong with harry potter, doom, those games. I know that they are fiction. Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] sincere request to phil
Hi josh. appologies, I was just trying to think of a quick example of a Christian prayer which used a symbolic aide as well as words, but was probably a bit hasty. all the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] sincere request to phil Hi Actually Catholics do not do the same thing with the rosary. You seem to have been misinformed somehow. The If you read the following websites you will be able to obtain more accurate information. http://www.catholic.com/library/Rosary.asp http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0212fea4sb1.asp http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9409fea3.asp Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Clement, it was never my intention to put down any dev. And it was never my intention to say that developers should only make games for Jehovah's witnesses. I am just unhappy because pipe2 has shooting when there are so many other shooting games. And what I said throughout the recording, is not of my own. Its what I have been constantly been taught at our meetings. So don't be cross with me, because its not of my own that I said these things. I am taught these things at our meetings and it just bubbled over. Hope this clears the air at least a bit. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Clement, about the martial arts. Well, its quite simple. We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. Its as simple as that. I am not part of the people who prepares the meetings, so I cannot tell you why we are taught martial arts is wrong. In our meetings there is no psychology, no complicated stuff. Martial arts is violence and we are taught, everything connected to violence is wrong because god hates violence; as simple as that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That doesn't excuse you calling other developers loveless because they make violent games. And the shooting in pipe 2 is vastly different from shooting in other games. And I hate to be harsh... but there are some things that are taught that just seem so obvious shoudln't be believed... but to each their own. If I came across as harsh, I appologize. It just seems like you are imposing the view of both yourself and your religion on others. And if those things were not your views but came from what you've been taught... it certainly could've fooled me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
So... half the dojo I practice in is obviously evil or violence-loving... because at least half of us are Christians. That's the problem with religion as a whole... it's too black and white. Aikido, for example, is another martial art... yet is not aggressive or violent. It focusses just as much on protecting one's attacker as the person defending themselves... and again, I bring you back from the crusades. If god hated violence, and all us Christians were taught to go against that, crusades would never have happened. At 07:44 AM 28/02/2011, you wrote: Clement, about the martial arts. Well, its quite simple. We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. Its as simple as that. I am not part of the people who prepares the meetings, so I cannot tell you why we are taught martial arts is wrong. In our meetings there is no psychology, no complicated stuff. Martial arts is violence and we are taught, everything connected to violence is wrong because god hates violence; as simple as that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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There's no point in being taught something if you aren't prepared to ask questions about it. I know of pastors who would say that you shouldn't just follow blindly because if god gave us brains then he obviously intended for us to use them. To say that x is wrong and I'm saying this because that's what I've been taught to me is very weak. It's personal choice as to what types of games people play and nobody should be criticizing those who play a particular type of game or those that don't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: 28 February 2011 15:54 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi That doesn't excuse you calling other developers loveless because they make violent games. And the shooting in pipe 2 is vastly different from shooting in other games. And I hate to be harsh... but there are some things that are taught that just seem so obvious shoudln't be believed... but to each their own. If I came across as harsh, I appologize. It just seems like you are imposing the view of both yourself and your religion on others. And if those things were not your views but came from what you've been taught... it certainly could've fooled me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Clement, I have to agree. Yes, I do play many violent games, but for Three reasons. 1. Because they have a bit of violence, but not to turn me out. 2. Because I enjoy them. 3. I'm not like those guys who think if they play violent games they could shoot and kill who they please. And Clement. My answer. I have learnt some boxing techniques for my defence. But that does not mean that I will become a really big fighter who will smash who ever he wants to kill! Clement does it because he's interested, he wants to do it, and he finds it fun. I am sorry if this sounds really harsh, but its just my thoughts and anyone could disagree... - Original Message - From: Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Hi Nicol. What you're basically saying here, to me, is that people should only consider Jehova witnesses when making games. You and only you. Calling others without love for goodness because they create games with violence and supernatural aspects to them is very, very judgmental. Just because one small bunch of people does not like arcade games that have violence and shooting, you guys are allowed to call people who make games like that basically heartless. Video games have always had some degree of violence to them. Mario brothers is a good example of... uh, supernatural, I think. Sure the violence is cartoonish, but violence is violence. So your logic is very, very flawed. I am a Christian. I am not the type to preach constantly, but I point you to the verse in the bible that says judge not, lest ye be judged. That's a verse that always rang true for me, but there are times when I judge, despite that. And now is one of them. I think certain Christian groups need to wake up and realize that the world does not, and will not, bend to your ways. Simply because you believe that violent games are a form of delving into the things of Satan does not mean everyone else believes it. People don't play violent games because they love violence. I play Street Fighter for the work it does for my brain, the competition when I play with friends, and to build skills of keeping track of things as well as reflexes. That is the same reason I love Shades of Doom, Blast Chamber's shooting aspects, and Mota. Tom has done a more than exellent job with Mota... and it saddens me to see it put down, simply because it does not agree with someone's spiritual beliefs. Although I am a Christian, I feel the need to say that there are way too many Christians in this world who think all too highly of themselves. The majority of us tend to think that the world should all believe in God, and do anything to enforce that view. Christians have always preached for peace and no violence... yet what happened during the crusades? People need to realize that it's the majority in the world that decides things, and unfortunately, there's other religions in the world... not just Christianity! Shocker, eh? I don't like to talk about these things much... I'd rather save my energy for something else more productive. There's more that I could say, but I think I've pointed out most of what has to be pointed out. Am I a believer in God? Yes. Do I believe 100% of everything I hear from the bible? Not always. Why? Because there are many, many contradictory things in there and frankly, following the basic morals of peace and love in the bible are enough for me. I sing and play Christian worship music, I have Christian friends and I pray on a daily basis. But I would not go so far as to put down a developer or anyone else who did something they felt satisfied their target audience, no matter what my beliefs. I'll probably come back and say more later. But Nicol, I am going to leave you and all other christians who might have the same view on this list with a question. And I urge you to be careful how you answer this one. I am currently starting to practice a martial art. It is an art known as Iaido, and consists of sword techniques used to dispatch an opponent at the same time you draw the sword, flicking the blood off the blade and resheathing. I have been going at it for 2 months, and the fact that it's an art that was once used as a method of killing does not bother me in the least. Does that make me in any way evil or unloving? Especially since the philosophy behind the art is never using it unless you have to, and the teachings of the art are centered around doing things with full commitment, treating others equally and acting with honor? Answer that question for me, if you will. Just something to think about. Anyone else is welcome to ask questions about the art... though as that is somewhat off-topic, if you are curious, please email offlist. Clement. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want
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It is not wrong, sie. Sometimes there are times when there is not a point to pay attention to some people. HTH. - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, about the martial arts. Well, its quite simple. We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. Its as simple as that. I am not part of the people who prepares the meetings, so I cannot tell you why we are taught martial arts is wrong. In our meetings there is no psychology, no complicated stuff. Martial arts is violence and we are taught, everything connected to violence is wrong because god hates violence; as simple as that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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People may try to teach you something, but why do you believe their attempted teachings? If I have been playing games in which death occurs for a number of years with no ill effects on my character, and people preach to me that this is wrong because of what it will do to me, should I suddenly jump ship and totally avoid those games that have done me no harm in the past? Sorry, but I refuse to do it. We were given brains for the purpose of using them to question what is around us and to hopefully make wise decisions on what to do during our time on Earth. When it comes to whether a game or type of game is harmful to us, or wrong to play, I suggest we use common sense rather than blindly accepting the opinions of others --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, it was never my intention to put down any dev. And it was never my intention to say that developers should only make games for Jehovah's witnesses. I am just unhappy because pipe2 has shooting when there are so many other shooting games. And what I said throughout the recording, is not of my own. Its what I have been constantly been taught at our meetings. So don't be cross with me, because its not of my own that I said these things. I am taught these things at our meetings and it just bubbled over. Hope this clears the air at least a bit. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Nicol, There are two things I want to emphasise myself on this subject, and I want you to be crystal clear on them.. Number one. You believe what you want to believe. Don't let anybody brain wash you into thinking that what I say goes and is the way forward in life. If you are taught to believe something and you choose to believe in it of your own free will, then that's fine. But then if you still choose to preach the reason for your unhappiness to us, then you are not going by your teachings, but by your own beliefs regarding them. If you want to believe that violent games is a way of showing love for violence, then you go ahead and believe that. Nobody's stopping you. This brings me very nicely onto point number two. Please do not try and force those views, opinions and beliefs upon us. Do not push a hose down our throats and turn the water on simply because we don't want to drink just yet. There are very few games out there for the visually impaired as it is, and the way you are talking may just send more developers crashing to the ground like so many others before. We should be thanking these guys for bringing their creations out into the world. I certainly know that I have been phased beforehand because of some of the thankless emails I have received complaining about certain features or lack thereof in my games and have, on more than one occasion, thought about simply ditching the whole thing. I'm glad I haven't, since I do enjoy making games. But I don't like some of the ingratitude that sometimes follows a release. What I always say is, if you simply don't like the game content, for whatever reason, whether it be your beliefs or anything that is personal, you know what you got to do. Just don't play it and stop moaning at us. If you have anything constructive to say about it, then by all means do so. But telling us to cut out the violence simply because it isn't in your religion certainly is not very constructive. It is more demanding and selfish, and independent developers, who aren't exactly doing it as a full time job, do not have neither the time nor the patience to be modifying the game content just for the sake of a petty complaint. I will bring forth another point on a slightly less firm note. I am myself a Christian, but I don't not play games just because they contain violence, whether in cartoon or gory fashion. My belief is that fictional violence is fine, since it is not exactly happening. It is just mixed up sound effects and graphics where applicable. But I'm not going to tell you to start playing these games because you should be believing the same as me. Also, I do not believe that playing violent game shows a love for violence. In fact, I am completely the opposite. If I see violence on the street, or indeed anywhere, I would be one of the first to put myself in between them and break it up. I have a partner whom I love very dearly and brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews, parents etc who always have my full support. And where new people are concerned, I'm as shy as anything. Does that suggest a love for violence to you? There's another thing that God wants us to do. Live and let live. So why don't we all do that for a change, instead of getting into flame wars, and sometimes even real wars as far as countries are concerned, over the importance of religion? OK, rant over. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, about the martial arts. Well, its quite simple. We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. Its as simple as that. I am not part of the people who prepares the meetings, so I cannot tell you why we are taught martial arts is wrong. In our meetings there is no psychology, no complicated stuff. Martial arts is violence and we are taught, everything connected to violence is wrong because god hates violence; as simple as that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi Darren, I wouldn't go as far as to say it is weak. Some people don't know what it is to have a mind of their own. Some countries, families and authoritarians are just so keen to make sure that the people under them are so scared of thinking of things in their own free will and using their own initiative. But certainly I agree in that they should not then be trying to influence others because of it. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: darren harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi There's no point in being taught something if you aren't prepared to ask questions about it. I know of pastors who would say that you shouldn't just follow blindly because if god gave us brains then he obviously intended for us to use them. To say that x is wrong and I'm saying this because that's what I've been taught to me is very weak. It's personal choice as to what types of games people play and nobody should be criticizing those who play a particular type of game or those that don't. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: 28 February 2011 15:54 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi That doesn't excuse you calling other developers loveless because they make violent games. And the shooting in pipe 2 is vastly different from shooting in other games. And I hate to be harsh... but there are some things that are taught that just seem so obvious shoudln't be believed... but to each their own. If I came across as harsh, I appologize. It just seems like you are imposing the view of both yourself and your religion on others. And if those things were not your views but came from what you've been taught... it certainly could've fooled me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
If God hates violence, I wonder what he thought of David's battle with Goliath? How about the drowning of the Egyptians in the Red Sea? The flood that Noah and his family survived? The destruction of Sodom and Gomorra? Let's go into our daily lives. Ever killed a fly, cockroach or mosquito? If you are confronted by someone wielding a gun who is going to kill you unless you do something, and I mean do it quick, and you have a loaded gun that you can use to defend yourself, what are you going to do? Remember, God hates violence, no ifs, ands, or buts. When the time comes, how will you be judged for having done so if you did such things? Which takes center stage, here. Your religion, or your survival. What would common sense tell you? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, about the martial arts. Well, its quite simple. We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. Its as simple as that. I am not part of the people who prepares the meetings, so I cannot tell you why we are taught martial arts is wrong. In our meetings there is no psychology, no complicated stuff. Martial arts is violence and we are taught, everything connected to violence is wrong because god hates violence; as simple as that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I need your advice on consoles and playable games
Hi Clement, I cirtainly will ask about there PS3 models. Fighting and music games are alright for me. There are quite a few, after all and they all have something different about them. Besides, there still games like You don't know Jack. Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: [GameTalk] BSC Games Merge
all nice, but... blindsoftware.com? meh, that name just sounds so absolutely blink'ish. and I probably wouldn't offer games through it. I think justin should have bscgames.com redirect to blindsoftware.com rather than just killing it, since it'll be a hard change. if anyone could forward my idea that'd be neat. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 2:58 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Fwd: [GameTalk] BSC Games Merge Dear Valued Customer, On the week of March 1 2011, we are releasing a new version of the blindsoftware.com website. It will offer all of our customers some new and beneficial features. First, you will be able to generate a replacement unlock code yourself for any BSC game or any blindsoftware.com product through the blindsoftware.com website. This means you no longer have to wait on a technical support person to manually create your replacement unlock code and send it to you. You can have it instantly generated for you and emailed to you any time, any day. Another new feature we will be offering through the blindsoftware.com website is a new format for our top ten scoreboards. The new format will permit you to quickly switch between all top ten scoreboards for any of our games on one single page. We will also be changing hosting providers for blindsoftware.com on the week of March 1, 2011. This means that during the week of March 1, 2011 you may experience errors sending email to blindsoftware.com or you may experience errors when trying to view the blindsoftware.com website. You may also experience errors when trying to post scores to our scoreboard server. Finally, you may experience intermittently seeing the old blindsoftware.com website and the new blindsoftware.com website. These temporary inconveniences are normal because we are changing website hosting providers. This means it can take upwards of two days for the entire world to become aware of the new hosting provider's DNS name servers. If you are unfamiliar with DNS name servers, you can perform a quick google search on the words DNS name servers. So in short, things will be back to normal towards the end of the week of March 1, 2011. Since we are offering these new features through the blindsoftware.com website, starting on the week of March 1, 2011 we will also be discontinuing the BSC Games.com website. From now on you will be able to download the games from www.blindsoftware.com and receive technical support for the games through www.blindsoftware.com. Even though the BSC Games.com website will be closing, the BSC Games products are not being discontinued and will continue to be offered through the blindsoftware.com website. Again, only the BSC Games.com website is being discontinued. The main reason for closing the BSC Games.com website is to simplify operations of the company for us by only having to manage one website for all products. All BSC Games products will continue to be sold through blindsoftware.com and technical support will continue to be provided for the games through blindsoftware.com. The top ten scoreboards for all games will continue to be available through the blindsoftware.com website. If you have any questions, please feel free to email us at supp...@blindsoftware.com but please be aware that the email may be lost during the transition to our new hosting provider. If you do not get a reply from us, please email us again towards the end of the week of March 1, 2011. Thank you for your continued support, The Blindsoftware.com team. To unsubscribe or manage your GameTalk subscription please access the following link: http://www.BscGames.com/bsc_gametalk.asp The list archive can be viewed at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/gametalk/ BSC Games Computer Games For The Blind Or Visually Impaired www.BscGames.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi Charles, Well said. I believe that violence is essential for survival. In all other aspects such as greed, vengeance, anger, hatred, jealousy, I believe it is wrong. Who knows? Maybe if everybody believed that there would be no wars or murders in the world. But of course that will never happen, because we all have different beliefs. Some religions even encourage violence for vengeance, etc. Regards, Damien. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi If God hates violence, I wonder what he thought of David's battle with Goliath? How about the drowning of the Egyptians in the Red Sea? The flood that Noah and his family survived? The destruction of Sodom and Gomorra? Let's go into our daily lives. Ever killed a fly, cockroach or mosquito? If you are confronted by someone wielding a gun who is going to kill you unless you do something, and I mean do it quick, and you have a loaded gun that you can use to defend yourself, what are you going to do? Remember, God hates violence, no ifs, ands, or buts. When the time comes, how will you be judged for having done so if you did such things? Which takes center stage, here. Your religion, or your survival. What would common sense tell you? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, about the martial arts. Well, its quite simple. We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. Its as simple as that. I am not part of the people who prepares the meetings, so I cannot tell you why we are taught martial arts is wrong. In our meetings there is no psychology, no complicated stuff. Martial arts is violence and we are taught, everything connected to violence is wrong because god hates violence; as simple as that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I need your advice on consoles and playable games
Hi Bryan, well, maybe this would be the opportunaty to refresh your German a bit. *smiles* But there should be such stores in the US as well, like you said. I hope you find something. *smiles* Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi there, I'm sorry but I don't remember your name. but I did listen to your voice recording and here are my thoughts. What you can do is instead of burning your bridges what you can or could have done is talk with developers and make a game of your own. If you don't like a game, just don't play it. Maybe in your opinion, there are no games for the Vi so just don't play games, yes, as you said you like arcade games, but its no ones fault you can't or don't wish to play the games. Just make a few games you like and I'm almost sure others will like what you make. Just my thoughts. Original message: Hi Nicol. What you're basically saying here, to me, is that people should only consider Jehova witnesses when making games. You and only you. Calling others without love for goodness because they create games with violence and supernatural aspects to them is very, very judgmental. Just because one small bunch of people does not like arcade games that have violence and shooting, you guys are allowed to call people who make games like that basically heartless. Video games have always had some degree of violence to them. Mario brothers is a good example of... uh, supernatural, I think. Sure the violence is cartoonish, but violence is violence. So your logic is very, very flawed. I am a Christian. I am not the type to preach constantly, but I point you to the verse in the bible that says judge not, lest ye be judged. That's a verse that always rang true for me, but there are times when I judge, despite that. And now is one of them. I think certain Christian groups need to wake up and realize that the world does not, and will not, bend to your ways. Simply because you believe that violent games are a form of delving into the things of Satan does not mean everyone else believes it. People don't play violent games because they love violence. I play Street Fighter for the work it does for my brain, the competition when I play with friends, and to build skills of keeping track of things as well as reflexes. That is the same reason I love Shades of Doom, Blast Chamber's shooting aspects, and Mota. Tom has done a more than exellent job with Mota... and it saddens me to see it put down, simply because it does not agree with someone's spiritual beliefs. Although I am a Christian, I feel the need to say that there are way too many Christians in this world who think all too highly of themselves. The majority of us tend to think that the world should all believe in God, and do anything to enforce that view. Christians have always preached for peace and no violence... yet what happened during the crusades? People need to realize that it's the majority in the world that decides things, and unfortunately, there's other religions in the world... not just Christianity! Shocker, eh? I don't like to talk about these things much... I'd rather save my energy for something else more productive. There's more that I could say, but I think I've pointed out most of what has to be pointed out. Am I a believer in God? Yes. Do I believe 100% of everything I hear from the bible? Not always. Why? Because there are many, many contradictory things in there and frankly, following the basic morals of peace and love in the bible are enough for me. I sing and play Christian worship music, I have Christian friends and I pray on a daily basis. But I would not go so far as to put down a developer or anyone else who did something they felt satisfied their target audience, no matter what my beliefs. I'll probably come back and say more later. But Nicol, I am going to leave you and all other christians who might have the same view on this list with a question. And I urge you to be careful how you answer this one. I am currently starting to practice a martial art. It is an art known as Iaido, and consists of sword techniques used to dispatch an opponent at the same time you draw the sword, flicking the blood off the blade and resheathing. I have been going at it for 2 months, and the fact that it's an art that was once used as a method of killing does not bother me in the least. Does that make me in any way evil or unloving? Especially since the philosophy behind the art is never using it unless you have to, and the teachings of the art are centered around doing things with full commitment, treating others equally and acting with honor? Answer that question for me, if you will. Just something to think about. Anyone else is welcome to ask questions about the art... though as that is somewhat off-topic, if you are curious, please email offlist. Clement. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any
Re: [Audyssey] I need your advice on consoles and playable games
Hi Michael, yeah, your arguments are very valid. Taking into account what others already said, I think it will really be a play station. As for final fantasy, I really would like to play these games myself. But I really have no idea, how a blind person could play them all alone. I listened to some gameplay of FF13, and it didn't seem to be overly playable to me. But if anyone here can tell me otherwise, I'd be glad. *smiles* Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] TDV error
Error log, created with build version 1.4.4065.11871: Error base exception: System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the array boundaries. by TDV.Interaction.getSector (Projector p, Boolean returnFormatted) by TDV.Interaction.getSector (Projector p) by TDV.Aircraft.startSelfDestruct () by TDV.Aircraft.move () by TDV.Holder.activate () Error Description: The index was outside the array boundaries. Stack trace: at TDV.Interaction.getSector (Projector p, Boolean returnFormatted) by TDV.Interaction.getSector (Projector p) by TDV.Aircraft.startSelfDestruct () by TDV.Aircraft.move () by TDV.Holder.activate () --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi all, First things first. Please let noone be offended, I am talking here about some true things that occured to me, and some others still in the topic of gaming and religion. Several religious organizations tried to get me in a fiew ways, some of those similar to Nikol's ways, recording, quoting the verses from the Bible, etc. Then I said that I will attack everyone that tries again something like that, although I am an Orthodox Christian who tries also to obey all of the dogmas of the Orthodox Church. However, I have a friend who is a Jehova's witness although of the Muslim-Albanian origin, or to be more precise, a descendant of the Islamized Albanians that were Catholics before taking Islam. So having in mind the problems between Serbs and Albanians and that she is mixed-up as I just said, and also a true Jehova's witness, do I have to hate her and to try to correct her ways of thinking? No. Instead, the two of us play palace punch-up! Yes, a violence. But we don't do it to simulate a war, we do it for fun. Even she as the Jehova's witness is against the things that Nikole is saying. Btw, she salutes all of you. :) Best regards! Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi People may try to teach you something, but why do you believe their attempted teachings? If I have been playing games in which death occurs for a number of years with no ill effects on my character, and people preach to me that this is wrong because of what it will do to me, should I suddenly jump ship and totally avoid those games that have done me no harm in the past? Sorry, but I refuse to do it. We were given brains for the purpose of using them to question what is around us and to hopefully make wise decisions on what to do during our time on Earth. When it comes to whether a game or type of game is harmful to us, or wrong to play, I suggest we use common sense rather than blindly accepting the opinions of others --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, it was never my intention to put down any dev. And it was never my intention to say that developers should only make games for Jehovah's witnesses. I am just unhappy because pipe2 has shooting when there are so many other shooting games. And what I said throughout the recording, is not of my own. Its what I have been constantly been taught at our meetings. So don't be cross with me, because its not of my own that I said these things. I am taught these things at our meetings and it just bubbled over. Hope this clears the air at least a bit. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5912 (20110227) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5912 (20110227) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I need your advice on consoles and playable games
Hi Tommy, thanks, I'll check out these. *smiles* Best regards Sarah --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Exactly. And that's why we have brains in our sole. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi People may try to teach you something, but why do you believe their attempted teachings? If I have been playing games in which death occurs for a number of years with no ill effects on my character, and people preach to me that this is wrong because of what it will do to me, should I suddenly jump ship and totally avoid those games that have done me no harm in the past? Sorry, but I refuse to do it. We were given brains for the purpose of using them to question what is around us and to hopefully make wise decisions on what to do during our time on Earth. When it comes to whether a game or type of game is harmful to us, or wrong to play, I suggest we use common sense rather than blindly accepting the opinions of others --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, it was never my intention to put down any dev. And it was never my intention to say that developers should only make games for Jehovah's witnesses. I am just unhappy because pipe2 has shooting when there are so many other shooting games. And what I said throughout the recording, is not of my own. Its what I have been constantly been taught at our meetings. So don't be cross with me, because its not of my own that I said these things. I am taught these things at our meetings and it just bubbled over. Hope this clears the air at least a bit. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0200, NIcol wrote: I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. [My Reply:] Hi NIcol, No offense, but I'mm still sitting here, waiting for the download to complete, because I don't want the website's software clogging up my computer along with everything else, likely so they can read my drives or spam the bejesus out of me. Think you can switch to dropbox.com like everyone else is using? I've finished this letter, and the download still hasn't started, so I aborted the connection. It said 2 minutes and it's at least been 5, so...wish I could have heard it. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 04:43:23AM -0800, Clement Chou wrote: What you're basically saying here, to me, is that people should only consider Jehova witnesses when making games. You and only you. [My Reply:] Hi Clement, No worries. The righteous don't need to be saved, and Jesus didn't come here for them. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 04:00:39PM -, darren harris wrote: I know of pastors who would say that you shouldn't just follow blindly because if god gave us brains then he obviously intended for us to use them. [My Reply:] Hi Darren, I think it goes: O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. - Psalms 34:8 ...essentially inviting you to have a taste and see what you think. And for whoever thought the Bible was contradictory, most of it is written in metaphor and needs to be assembled. Take the passages saying both hide yourself in a closet when you pray and Pray without ceasing. You obviously can't do both and live your entire life in a closet, but if you put them together, you get a picture that it just means to keep your prayer life to yourself while talking to God constantly. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
brains in our sole? I'm not sure about that lol! But I will put in my 2 cense here... I have no problems with a game having violence just as long as it's there as part of the plot. IF it's there just to glorify violence then I would have a problem. And just for the record I know of no game for the blind that does this... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:34 PM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Exactly. And that's why we have brains in our sole. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi People may try to teach you something, but why do you believe their attempted teachings? If I have been playing games in which death occurs for a number of years with no ill effects on my character, and people preach to me that this is wrong because of what it will do to me, should I suddenly jump ship and totally avoid those games that have done me no harm in the past? Sorry, but I refuse to do it. We were given brains for the purpose of using them to question what is around us and to hopefully make wise decisions on what to do during our time on Earth. When it comes to whether a game or type of game is harmful to us, or wrong to play, I suggest we use common sense rather than blindly accepting the opinions of others --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, it was never my intention to put down any dev. And it was never my intention to say that developers should only make games for Jehovah's witnesses. I am just unhappy because pipe2 has shooting when there are so many other shooting games. And what I said throughout the recording, is not of my own. Its what I have been constantly been taught at our meetings. So don't be cross with me, because its not of my own that I said these things. I am taught these things at our meetings and it just bubbled over. Hope this clears the air at least a bit. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5914 (20110228) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5914 (20110228) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 05:44:28PM +0200, NIcol wrote: We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. [My Reply:] Hi Nicol, Then why did God warn the Israelites that if they didn't kill every Philistine, man, woman, child,, and livestock, that they'd be a thorn in their sides to the last days? I believe they're called Palestinians today, but the Bible also says there's a time for Peace, and a time for War, stoning the wicked to death, flogging money-changers out of the Temple, etc. You can't get much more violent than Noah's Flood. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 07:56:13AM -0800, Clement Chou wrote: and again, I bring you back from the crusades. If god hated violence, and all us Christians were taught to go against that, crusades would never have happened. [My Reply:] Hi Clement, Well, as you can plainly see from the topic, what the Church does, and what the Bible says, are often two .WAY. different things. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Yes, please do it on dropbox. - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0200, NIcol wrote: I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. [My Reply:] Hi NIcol, No offense, but I'mm still sitting here, waiting for the download to complete, because I don't want the website's software clogging up my computer along with everything else, likely so they can read my drives or spam the bejesus out of me. Think you can switch to dropbox.com like everyone else is using? I've finished this letter, and the download still hasn't started, so I aborted the connection. It said 2 minutes and it's at least been 5, so...wish I could have heard it. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] downloading - Re: a strong message about the future of games for the vi
How about those of us who don't have Drop Box? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Yes, please do it on dropbox. - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0200, NIcol wrote: I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. [My Reply:] Hi NIcol, No offense, but I'mm still sitting here, waiting for the download to complete, because I don't want the website's software clogging up my computer along with everything else, likely so they can read my drives or spam the bejesus out of me. Think you can switch to dropbox.com like everyone else is using? I've finished this letter, and the download still hasn't started, so I aborted the connection. It said 2 minutes and it's at least been 5, so...wish I could have heard it. Michael --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] possibly mod Re: a strong message about the future of games for the vi
while (as a student of philosophy for many years), I certainly have opinions on this subject, might I suggest list members back off a bt. Having 30 people all post long explanations about why your wrong can be at the least intimidating. Might I suggest people try and phrase their disagreements to anothers' views in slightly less strong language, which ever side of the debate they're on. I'm not a list mod of course, but I imagine Tomas and Raul would say the same. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi If God hates violence, I wonder what he thought of David's battle with Goliath? How about the drowning of the Egyptians in the Red Sea? The flood that Noah and his family survived? The destruction of Sodom and Gomorra? Let's go into our daily lives. Ever killed a fly, cockroach or mosquito? If you are confronted by someone wielding a gun who is going to kill you unless you do something, and I mean do it quick, and you have a loaded gun that you can use to defend yourself, what are you going to do? Remember, God hates violence, no ifs, ands, or buts. When the time comes, how will you be judged for having done so if you did such things? Which takes center stage, here. Your religion, or your survival. What would common sense tell you? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, about the martial arts. Well, its quite simple. We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. Its as simple as that. I am not part of the people who prepares the meetings, so I cannot tell you why we are taught martial arts is wrong. In our meetings there is no psychology, no complicated stuff. Martial arts is violence and we are taught, everything connected to violence is wrong because god hates violence; as simple as that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] downloading - Re: a strong message about the future ofgames for the vi
Actually, even though if you don't have dropbox, you can still download the files as much as you want. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: [Audyssey] downloading - Re: a strong message about the future ofgames for the vi How about those of us who don't have Drop Box? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Yes, please do it on dropbox. - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0200, NIcol wrote: I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. [My Reply:] Hi NIcol, No offense, but I'mm still sitting here, waiting for the download to complete, because I don't want the website's software clogging up my computer along with everything else, likely so they can read my drives or spam the bejesus out of me. Think you can switch to dropbox.com like everyone else is using? I've finished this letter, and the download still hasn't started, so I aborted the connection. It said 2 minutes and it's at least been 5, so...wish I could have heard it. Michael --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
In the recording, which I am now listening to, it is stated that there are no games for the blind that don't contain violence or the super natural? Ever tried any of the racing or puzzle or trivia games? How about the sports games? It is said that God hates violence, yet have you never heard of, and seen in the Bible, that you must, when necessary, fight for what is right? God told people to defeat other armies who were doing them wrong. In fact, these people were given the ability to defeat their enemies, by God himself. Also, if your complaint is that there are no games for visually impaired Jehovah's Witnesses, I suggest that you either create some, find someone who will, or really, honestly, look at your beliefs, examine the beliefs of others, than make your own independent decision as to what, and who you believe. If you believe that there should be absolutely no violence or even a fraction of a reference in any fashion to the super natural, you are not only seeking a false or greatly deprived gaming environment, but you are looking for an idealistic world that does not exist anywhere but in the dreams of unrealistic teachings. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Yes, please do it on dropbox. - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0200, NIcol wrote: I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. [My Reply:] Hi NIcol, No offense, but I'mm still sitting here, waiting for the download to complete, because I don't want the website's software clogging up my computer along with everything else, likely so they can read my drives or spam the bejesus out of me. Think you can switch to dropbox.com like everyone else is using? I've finished this letter, and the download still hasn't started, so I aborted the connection. It said 2 minutes and it's at least been 5, so...wish I could have heard it. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
I am not asking for that, Charles. I know if I think if I just think about the issue in that manner, I would live in my own world which wouldn't be fun. I was just curious to listen. and the reason is because of what I heard and because of the sendspace payment thing. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi In the recording, which I am now listening to, it is stated that there are no games for the blind that don't contain violence or the super natural? Ever tried any of the racing or puzzle or trivia games? How about the sports games? It is said that God hates violence, yet have you never heard of, and seen in the Bible, that you must, when necessary, fight for what is right? God told people to defeat other armies who were doing them wrong. In fact, these people were given the ability to defeat their enemies, by God himself. Also, if your complaint is that there are no games for visually impaired Jehovah's Witnesses, I suggest that you either create some, find someone who will, or really, honestly, look at your beliefs, examine the beliefs of others, than make your own independent decision as to what, and who you believe. If you believe that there should be absolutely no violence or even a fraction of a reference in any fashion to the super natural, you are not only seeking a false or greatly deprived gaming environment, but you are looking for an idealistic world that does not exist anywhere but in the dreams of unrealistic teachings. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Yes, please do it on dropbox. - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0200, NIcol wrote: I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. [My Reply:] Hi NIcol, No offense, but I'mm still sitting here, waiting for the download to complete, because I don't want the website's software clogging up my computer along with everything else, likely so they can read my drives or spam the bejesus out of me. Think you can switch to dropbox.com like everyone else is using? I've finished this letter, and the download still hasn't started, so I aborted the connection. It said 2 minutes and it's at least been 5, so...wish I could have heard it. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] games
Hi Nickol, Martial arts is not wrong because you have the right to self defense. Also this website http://www.catholic.com/radio/event.php?calendar=1category=event=6493date=2010-11-22 Talks about a catholic christian priest who studdied martial arts. Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] martial arts
Hi Nockol, you wrote. We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. My question is this. who is teaching you that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes and where are they getting their information from? In the old testament the Israelites God's people went to war and won with God's help and prayer. So this means that God wants his people to have some means or both physical and spiritual self defense. Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] the crusades
Hi I looked up information on the crusades. this website has audio files which accurately explains the crusades. http://www.catholic.com/radio/event.php?calendar=1category=event=6452date=2010-10-25 Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi list I am so sorry if you guys took this up the wrong way. I must add that that was my first recording and I am a shy type of person and my words might went down differently as intended. I really thought that if I voice my thoughts in a recording, it would not be seen as breaking the guidelines. Perhaps my post to the list announcing my recording was perhaps worded not so well but I thought that I conveyed the message that everyone listens to the recording at own risk. One last thought before I stop: Charles, we are also taught at our meetings that the flood and Sodom and Gomorra and the fight between david and goliath was God's way of protecting his people because the complete bible wasn't there at that stage. Today we have the complete bible so today god is no longer using miracles or wars. Believe me, it wasn't my intend to bash a developer. My pure intention was to voice what I have been taught and now it came across as I am bashing the developers and deciding for others what they should play. Sorry if this came down the wrong way. I hope the air is clear now. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Here's a dropbox link to a slightly smaller file - I dropped it down to 56kbps to halve the file size, but don't think really changed quality as such. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13327195/vi%20gaming.mp3 Will just also say that I am not religious at all, and don't necessarily agree with anyone about anything (ever smile), but am just sharing information as such. Nicol, like some of the others did say though, there are games out there like racing games, sports games, some sorts of almost platform games that don't include much aside from physical activity, etc. etc., and if you just want arcade gameplay, I would think things like classic pinball, etc. might be right up your alley. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi I am not asking for that, Charles. I know if I think if I just think about the issue in that manner, I would live in my own world which wouldn't be fun. I was just curious to listen. and the reason is because of what I heard and because of the sendspace payment thing. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi In the recording, which I am now listening to, it is stated that there are no games for the blind that don't contain violence or the super natural? Ever tried any of the racing or puzzle or trivia games? How about the sports games? It is said that God hates violence, yet have you never heard of, and seen in the Bible, that you must, when necessary, fight for what is right? God told people to defeat other armies who were doing them wrong. In fact, these people were given the ability to defeat their enemies, by God himself. Also, if your complaint is that there are no games for visually impaired Jehovah's Witnesses, I suggest that you either create some, find someone who will, or really, honestly, look at your beliefs, examine the beliefs of others, than make your own independent decision as to what, and who you believe. If you believe that there should be absolutely no violence or even a fraction of a reference in any fashion to the super natural, you are not only seeking a false or greatly deprived gaming environment, but you are looking for an idealistic world that does not exist anywhere but in the dreams of unrealistic teachings. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Yes, please do it on dropbox. - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0200, NIcol wrote: I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. [My Reply:] Hi NIcol, No offense, but I'mm still sitting here, waiting for the download to complete, because I don't want the website's software clogging up my computer along with everything else, likely so they can read my drives or spam the bejesus out of me. Think you can switch to dropbox.com like everyone else is using? I've finished this letter, and the download still hasn't started, so I aborted the connection. It said 2 minutes and it's at least been 5, so...wish I could have heard it. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi Jacob, Thank you. I can't thank you enough. Going to listen to it now. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Here's a dropbox link to a slightly smaller file - I dropped it down to 56kbps to halve the file size, but don't think really changed quality as such. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13327195/vi%20gaming.mp3 Will just also say that I am not religious at all, and don't necessarily agree with anyone about anything (ever smile), but am just sharing information as such. Nicol, like some of the others did say though, there are games out there like racing games, sports games, some sorts of almost platform games that don't include much aside from physical activity, etc. etc., and if you just want arcade gameplay, I would think things like classic pinball, etc. might be right up your alley. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi I am not asking for that, Charles. I know if I think if I just think about the issue in that manner, I would live in my own world which wouldn't be fun. I was just curious to listen. and the reason is because of what I heard and because of the sendspace payment thing. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi In the recording, which I am now listening to, it is stated that there are no games for the blind that don't contain violence or the super natural? Ever tried any of the racing or puzzle or trivia games? How about the sports games? It is said that God hates violence, yet have you never heard of, and seen in the Bible, that you must, when necessary, fight for what is right? God told people to defeat other armies who were doing them wrong. In fact, these people were given the ability to defeat their enemies, by God himself. Also, if your complaint is that there are no games for visually impaired Jehovah's Witnesses, I suggest that you either create some, find someone who will, or really, honestly, look at your beliefs, examine the beliefs of others, than make your own independent decision as to what, and who you believe. If you believe that there should be absolutely no violence or even a fraction of a reference in any fashion to the super natural, you are not only seeking a false or greatly deprived gaming environment, but you are looking for an idealistic world that does not exist anywhere but in the dreams of unrealistic teachings. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Yes, please do it on dropbox. - Original Message - From: Frost znvyyv...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0200, NIcol wrote: I've done a recording where I talk about how I feel about the future of games for the vi. [My Reply:] Hi NIcol, No offense, but I'mm still sitting here, waiting for the download to complete, because I don't want the website's software clogging up my computer along with everything else, likely so they can read my drives or spam the bejesus out of me. Think you can switch to dropbox.com like everyone else is using? I've finished this letter, and the download still hasn't started, so I aborted the connection. It said 2 minutes and it's at least been 5, so...wish I could have heard it. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send
Re: [Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the future ofgames for the vi
God is no longer using miracles? Hmm. Healing that baffles doctors who have tried everything they know? Babies being born? New plant life? People not being injured, and surviving until a rescuer comes in earthquakes and other tragedies? Stuff like this can be chalked up to miracles. And who is behind them? Mankind? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: [Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the future ofgames for the vi Hi list I am so sorry if you guys took this up the wrong way. I must add that that was my first recording and I am a shy type of person and my words might went down differently as intended. I really thought that if I voice my thoughts in a recording, it would not be seen as breaking the guidelines. Perhaps my post to the list announcing my recording was perhaps worded not so well but I thought that I conveyed the message that everyone listens to the recording at own risk. One last thought before I stop: Charles, we are also taught at our meetings that the flood and Sodom and Gomorra and the fight between david and goliath was God's way of protecting his people because the complete bible wasn't there at that stage. Today we have the complete bible so today god is no longer using miracles or wars. Believe me, it wasn't my intend to bash a developer. My pure intention was to voice what I have been taught and now it came across as I am bashing the developers and deciding for others what they should play. Sorry if this came down the wrong way. I hope the air is clear now. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the future ofgames for the vi
Just curious: Are you taught that the teachings and occurrences in the Old Testament are no longer valid because the entire Bible had not been written yet? If so, what are we to think about where it all began? As in the book of Genesis? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: [Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the future ofgames for the vi Hi list I am so sorry if you guys took this up the wrong way. I must add that that was my first recording and I am a shy type of person and my words might went down differently as intended. I really thought that if I voice my thoughts in a recording, it would not be seen as breaking the guidelines. Perhaps my post to the list announcing my recording was perhaps worded not so well but I thought that I conveyed the message that everyone listens to the recording at own risk. One last thought before I stop: Charles, we are also taught at our meetings that the flood and Sodom and Gomorra and the fight between david and goliath was God's way of protecting his people because the complete bible wasn't there at that stage. Today we have the complete bible so today god is no longer using miracles or wars. Believe me, it wasn't my intend to bash a developer. My pure intention was to voice what I have been taught and now it came across as I am bashing the developers and deciding for others what they should play. Sorry if this came down the wrong way. I hope the air is clear now. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the crusades
Hi Josh, Nikole and all, Now let's stop preaching and let's stop with the missions and let's return to gaming. If something interests me about the crusades I will get much more from the sources in latin and italian languages than from the same site that you are giving to us. If catholic.com is your only source of information, then you are not far from Nikole's views. Best, Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:30 PM Subject: [Audyssey] the crusades Hi I looked up information on the crusades. this website has audio files which accurately explains the crusades. http://www.catholic.com/radio/event.php?calendar=1category=event=6452date=2010-10-25 Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5914 (20110228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5914 (20110228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the futureofgames for the vi
Charles, I hope that you red the message about my friend that is a Jehova's wittness. I still want to get back to gaming. But now we have a person that is being manipulated by someone who is in this case a teacher or whatever. So it is a person who doesn't use his own head. The real danger that Nikole braught here is very concrete, it's the moderation. So if we all be kicked out from the list, the mission will succeed. Another satanic violent groups will be destroyed! So here is the suggestion for Tom and Raul: As Nikole started the same discussion in one point before, it could be concluded that he does it for the reasons I mensioned before. Now, if it happens once more, let Nikole be moderated. One person that is not constructive and in the same time does these things shouldn't belong to this list. If Nikole knew that most of the games are against his beliefs, why did he join the list at all? Best, Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the futureofgames for the vi God is no longer using miracles? Hmm. Healing that baffles doctors who have tried everything they know? Babies being born? New plant life? People not being injured, and surviving until a rescuer comes in earthquakes and other tragedies? Stuff like this can be chalked up to miracles. And who is behind them? Mankind? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: [Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the future ofgames for the vi Hi list I am so sorry if you guys took this up the wrong way. I must add that that was my first recording and I am a shy type of person and my words might went down differently as intended. I really thought that if I voice my thoughts in a recording, it would not be seen as breaking the guidelines. Perhaps my post to the list announcing my recording was perhaps worded not so well but I thought that I conveyed the message that everyone listens to the recording at own risk. One last thought before I stop: Charles, we are also taught at our meetings that the flood and Sodom and Gomorra and the fight between david and goliath was God's way of protecting his people because the complete bible wasn't there at that stage. Today we have the complete bible so today god is no longer using miracles or wars. Believe me, it wasn't my intend to bash a developer. My pure intention was to voice what I have been taught and now it came across as I am bashing the developers and deciding for others what they should play. Sorry if this came down the wrong way. I hope the air is clear now. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5914 (20110228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5914 (20110228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] The ESP games
Man you know what I wish? I wish that Draconis would find a way to just have the sports games in one package of ESP that would be way cool. I'm lovin this home run game. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games
Home run game' you mean pinball extreme home run table? oh that game was weird. hehe On 2/28/11, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Man you know what I wish? I wish that Draconis would find a way to just have the sports games in one package of ESP that would be way cool. I'm lovin this home run game. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording
Guys, Tom, Justin, please just forgive me! I am really terribly sorry. sad face. I am not joking. Really guys, I made a big mistake. I should have let my mom listen to the recording prior to posting it. I realize that I used harsh words. I am terribly afraid I will be summonsed for character assassination or that I will be blacklisted with telkom. If I need to do a recording to apologize in this way, let me know and I will do it .It wasn't my intention to assassinate anyone's character. I can't sleep at night, I am terribly worried. This was my first recording, I chew off more than I could bite. I wasn't intending in any way to launch a personal attack. Please can you guys forgive me and move on? If tom and Raul decides to ban or moderate me, that's fine, I can handle it although this is the last thing I wish. As long as I am not going to face a court summons or blacklisting from telkom, my ISP. Please forgive me, I learnt from my mistake, definitely! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording
No worry man. I'll forgive you. Tommy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] my appology recording
Ok guys, the recording I have done to sincerely apologized is on its way. Its busy uploading. Please bare with me; this is only 2 mb. I've done it with sendspace as I have the sendspace wizard. In the future if I do game recordings, I will try drop box. You will get the download link for the recording in a moment. I hope this fixes things between us. Now I will steer things back to gaming from my side. I hope the air is finally clear. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording
Nothing about forgiveness here. first think before you do something. Now happy gaming. Milos Przic msn: milos.pr...@gmail.com skype: Milosh-hs - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:00 PM Subject: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording Guys, Tom, Justin, please just forgive me! I am really terribly sorry. sad face. I am not joking. Really guys, I made a big mistake. I should have let my mom listen to the recording prior to posting it. I realize that I used harsh words. I am terribly afraid I will be summonsed for character assassination or that I will be blacklisted with telkom. If I need to do a recording to apologize in this way, let me know and I will do it .It wasn't my intention to assassinate anyone's character. I can't sleep at night, I am terribly worried. This was my first recording, I chew off more than I could bite. I wasn't intending in any way to launch a personal attack. Please can you guys forgive me and move on? If tom and Raul decides to ban or moderate me, that's fine, I can handle it although this is the last thing I wish. As long as I am not going to face a court summons or blacklisting from telkom, my ISP. Please forgive me, I learnt from my mistake, definitely! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5915 (20110228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5915 (20110228) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] appology recording is here
Ok guys, here is the link for my apology recording. I hope things are cleared up finally. Lets get back to gaming, shall we? http://www.sendspace.com/file/hlh3g7 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games
it's actually one of the tables I like more, though i'm also fond of sudworks and stanley's house sinse the sounds or so much fun. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Oriol Gómez ogomez@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games Home run game' you mean pinball extreme home run table? oh that game was weird. hehe On 2/28/11, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Man you know what I wish? I wish that Draconis would find a way to just have the sports games in one package of ESP that would be way cool. I'm lovin this home run game. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games
The Top Gun table is my favorite. It is not easy. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games it's actually one of the tables I like more, though i'm also fond of sudworks and stanley's house sinse the sounds or so much fun. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Oriol Gómez ogomez@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games Home run game' you mean pinball extreme home run table? oh that game was weird. hehe On 2/28/11, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Man you know what I wish? I wish that Draconis would find a way to just have the sports games in one package of ESP that would be way cool. I'm lovin this home run game. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording
Hi nicol. It's doubtful that an isp provider would ever get involved for you expressing an opinion online, there are afterall thousands of people with blogs who do the same thing and express all manner of opinions from course to inteligent on every subject imaginable. Really Nicol, i'd suggest you just relax totally, both about people's opinions and about gaming. Ultimately games exist to have fun with and developers like Phil make them for that purpose. I would personally agree with those who've said that games with magic in are fine from a religious perspective, but if you don't wish to play them, okay. Equally sharing opinions on this list is intended as a way of freely expressing ideas about games in a relaxed fashion, and so long as your not insulting to others you can express any view you wish. so all in all Nicol I'd just say relax and stop worrying about either end of things. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:00 PM Subject: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording Guys, Tom, Justin, please just forgive me! I am really terribly sorry. sad face. I am not joking. Really guys, I made a big mistake. I should have let my mom listen to the recording prior to posting it. I realize that I used harsh words. I am terribly afraid I will be summonsed for character assassination or that I will be blacklisted with telkom. If I need to do a recording to apologize in this way, let me know and I will do it .It wasn't my intention to assassinate anyone's character. I can't sleep at night, I am terribly worried. This was my first recording, I chew off more than I could bite. I wasn't intending in any way to launch a personal attack. Please can you guys forgive me and move on? If tom and Raul decides to ban or moderate me, that's fine, I can handle it although this is the last thing I wish. As long as I am not going to face a court summons or blacklisting from telkom, my ISP. Please forgive me, I learnt from my mistake, definitely! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games
I've never managed to get to the bonus stage on that table, hmmm, I think i need to give it another try. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games The Top Gun table is my favorite. It is not easy. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games it's actually one of the tables I like more, though i'm also fond of sudworks and stanley's house sinse the sounds or so much fun. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Oriol Gómez ogomez@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games Home run game' you mean pinball extreme home run table? oh that game was weird. hehe On 2/28/11, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Man you know what I wish? I wish that Draconis would find a way to just have the sports games in one package of ESP that would be way cool. I'm lovin this home run game. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games
O but I love that game, I just played it and kept getting more and more new balls and once I got a high score, I'm about to eat dinner so had to quit arg wish I'd have known my score, man o man that game is addicting. Too bad its only a demo. Original message: Home run game' you mean pinball extreme home run table? oh that game was weird. hehe On 2/28/11, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Man you know what I wish? I wish that Draconis would find a way to just have the sports games in one package of ESP that would be way cool. I'm lovin this home run game. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording
Hey Hey!!! its ok, you said what you felt you wanted to say, we expressed our opinions, its ok. No worries. Original message: Guys, Tom, Justin, please just forgive me! I am really terribly sorry. sad face. I am not joking. Really guys, I made a big mistake. I should have let my mom listen to the recording prior to posting it. I realize that I used harsh words. I am terribly afraid I will be summonsed for character assassination or that I will be blacklisted with telkom. If I need to do a recording to apologize in this way, let me know and I will do it .It wasn't my intention to assassinate anyone's character. I can't sleep at night, I am terribly worried. This was my first recording, I chew off more than I could bite. I wasn't intending in any way to launch a personal attack. Please can you guys forgive me and move on? If tom and Raul decides to ban or moderate me, that's fine, I can handle it although this is the last thing I wish. As long as I am not going to face a court summons or blacklisting from telkom, my ISP. Please forgive me, I learnt from my mistake, definitely! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi Nicol, Nicol wrote: Martial arts is violence and we are taught, everything connected to violence is wrong because god hates violence; as simple as that. My reply: Nicol, you are welcome to believe whatever you want, but I can assure you what you have been taught is false. Not only is it false it is quite clear the people filling you up with such doctrinal material hasn't even read their bible, or at the very least selectively skipped parts they found upsets their sensabilities. The old testament and the new testament is filled with violence and bloodshed. Some of it ordered by God himself. How about Moses and the Exidus? Do you think the Angel of the Lord killing all of the first born of Egypt was not violent? How about God parting the red sea, and as soon as Moses and the Israelites safely crossed he let the waters return drowning the Egyptian army? When the children of Israel made themselves a golden calf to worship God ordered Moses to go down and to put to death those who had started the idol worship? You think these things aren't violent? How about Joshua? After Moses died Joshua was appointed to replace Moses and to lead the children of Israel into the promised land. God instructed Joshua to kill every man, woman, child, and beast so that they would not have to deal with them later. As I recall the exact quote was to, kill everything that moves. That was an order from God himself. Does this sound to you like God hates violence when it is justified? In the new testament when Jesus enters the temple what does he do? He sees several of the preasts selling sacroficial animals, and he becomes angry. The scriptures tell us he whips the preasts, over turns the tables of the money changers, and litterally throws them out of the temple. I don't suppose your ministers have ever read that part because it happened, and is mentioned in all of the gosples. Yet they are willing to say Jesus never resorted to violence? Well, here is one more bit of evidence God does use violence. In the book of Revelation there is a rather detailed story in Revelation 19 about Christ returning on a white horse with his angels to do what, do battle, with Satan and his followers. What do you suppose doing battle means? Giving out hugs and kisses? Perhaps a violent struggle to free the earth from Satan? My point of this message is to spell things out clearly so that you can at least see this from both sides of the argument. The bible is full of violence and God says himself, vengence is mine sayeth the Lord. He is a God of compassion, love, and mercy, but he is also a god of vengence and violence when and if it becomes necessary. King Solomon himself put it best when he said, there is a time for peace, and a time for war. In my opinion it is knowing the diference that counts. Think about it. If you are walking along a street and a mugger comes up to you pulls a gun are you going to stand there and not do anything about it? Are you going to just let him shoot you through the head? I would certainly hope not. God gives us the right to defend ourselves, and the old testament says that we can kill in self-defence. Perhaps you haven't been told that, but it is true. We are allowed under biblical law to defend ourselves and to kill if it is justified through self-defence. The problem with most christians here is that they haven't read the scriptures in the original languages. In the New King James version it says, thou shall not kill. That is a translation error. If you read the Hebrew version it says you shall do no murder. The diference is that murder, I use that term instead of kill here, to get the point across it is talking about premeditated murder. I.E. killing someone for reasons other than self-defence. People often don't understand that diference. HTH --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Ok I have to agree with what is said here. for example the Sarah game is just a game all the stuff is fiction especially Harry Potter they use mechanical machines to produce the sound affects and pictures what occurs in those movies. So I don't see any harm on what games are created on this list. On 2/28/2011 7:43 AM, Clement Chou wrote: Hi Nicol. What you're basically saying here, to me, is that people should only consider Jehova witnesses when making games. You and only you. Calling others without love for goodness because they create games with violence and supernatural aspects to them is very, very judgmental. Just because one small bunch of people does not like arcade games that have violence and shooting, you guys are allowed to call people who make games like that basically heartless. Video games have always had some degree of violence to them. Mario brothers is a good example of... uh, supernatural, I think. Sure the violence is cartoonish, but violence is violence. So your logic is very, very flawed. I am a Christian. I am not the type to preach constantly, but I point you to the verse in the bible that says judge not, lest ye be judged. That's a verse that always rang true for me, but there are times when I judge, despite that. And now is one of them. I think certain Christian groups need to wake up and realize that the world does not, and will not, bend to your ways. Simply because you believe that violent games are a form of delving into the things of Satan does not mean everyone else believes it. People don't play violent games because they love violence. I play Street Fighter for the work it does for my brain, the competition when I play with friends, and to build skills of keeping track of things as well as reflexes. That is the same reason I love Shades of Doom, Blast Chamber's shooting aspects, and Mota. Tom has done a more than exellent job with Mota... and it saddens me to see it put down, simply because it does not agree with someone's spiritual beliefs. Although I am a Christian, I feel the need to say that there are way too many Christians in this world who think all too highly of themselves. The majority of us tend to think that the world should all believe in God, and do anything to enforce that view. Christians have always preached for peace and no violence... yet what happened during the crusades? People need to realize that it's the majority in the world that decides things, and unfortunately, there's other religions in the world... not just Christianity! Shocker, eh? I don't like to talk about these things much... I'd rather save my energy for something else more productive. There's more that I could say, but I think I've pointed out most of what has to be pointed out. Am I a believer in God? Yes. Do I believe 100% of everything I hear from the bible? Not always. Why? Because there are many, many contradictory things in there and frankly, following the basic morals of peace and love in the bible are enough for me. I sing and play Christian worship music, I have Christian friends and I pray on a daily basis. But I would not go so far as to put down a developer or anyone else who did something they felt satisfied their target audience, no matter what my beliefs. I'll probably come back and say more later. But Nicol, I am going to leave you and all other christians who might have the same view on this list with a question. And I urge you to be careful how you answer this one. I am currently starting to practice a martial art. It is an art known as Iaido, and consists of sword techniques used to dispatch an opponent at the same time you draw the sword, flicking the blood off the blade and resheathing. I have been going at it for 2 months, and the fact that it's an art that was once used as a method of killing does not bother me in the least. Does that make me in any way evil or unloving? Especially since the philosophy behind the art is never using it unless you have to, and the teachings of the art are centered around doing things with full commitment, treating others equally and acting with honor? Answer that question for me, if you will. Just something to think about. Anyone else is welcome to ask questions about the art... though as that is somewhat off-topic, if you are curious, please email offlist. Clement. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Oh ok well you need to say when you are recording or posting messages that is what I have been taught or that's what I heard in my opinion so other people don't think that's not where you stand on that issue just trying to help. On 2/28/2011 10:41 AM, NIcol wrote: Clement, it was never my intention to put down any dev. And it was never my intention to say that developers should only make games for Jehovah's witnesses. I am just unhappy because pipe2 has shooting when there are so many other shooting games. And what I said throughout the recording, is not of my own. Its what I have been constantly been taught at our meetings. So don't be cross with me, because its not of my own that I said these things. I am taught these things at our meetings and it just bubbled over. Hope this clears the air at least a bit. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
It's precisely because of matters like this that I don't like organized religion. Games are just one example as far as I'm concerned. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: jason kb3...@verizon.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Ok I have to agree with what is said here. for example the Sarah game is just a game all the stuff is fiction especially Harry Potter they use mechanical machines to produce the sound affects and pictures what occurs in those movies. So I don't see any harm on what games are created on this list. On 2/28/2011 7:43 AM, Clement Chou wrote: Hi Nicol. What you're basically saying here, to me, is that people should only consider Jehova witnesses when making games. You and only you. Calling others without love for goodness because they create games with violence and supernatural aspects to them is very, very judgmental. Just because one small bunch of people does not like arcade games that have violence and shooting, you guys are allowed to call people who make games like that basically heartless. Video games have always had some degree of violence to them. Mario brothers is a good example of... uh, supernatural, I think. Sure the violence is cartoonish, but violence is violence. So your logic is very, very flawed. I am a Christian. I am not the type to preach constantly, but I point you to the verse in the bible that says judge not, lest ye be judged. That's a verse that always rang true for me, but there are times when I judge, despite that. And now is one of them. I think certain Christian groups need to wake up and realize that the world does not, and will not, bend to your ways. Simply because you believe that violent games are a form of delving into the things of Satan does not mean everyone else believes it. People don't play violent games because they love violence. I play Street Fighter for the work it does for my brain, the competition when I play with friends, and to build skills of keeping track of things as well as reflexes. That is the same reason I love Shades of Doom, Blast Chamber's shooting aspects, and Mota. Tom has done a more than exellent job with Mota... and it saddens me to see it put down, simply because it does not agree with someone's spiritual beliefs. Although I am a Christian, I feel the need to say that there are way too many Christians in this world who think all too highly of themselves. The majority of us tend to think that the world should all believe in God, and do anything to enforce that view. Christians have always preached for peace and no violence... yet what happened during the crusades? People need to realize that it's the majority in the world that decides things, and unfortunately, there's other religions in the world... not just Christianity! Shocker, eh? I don't like to talk about these things much... I'd rather save my energy for something else more productive. There's more that I could say, but I think I've pointed out most of what has to be pointed out. Am I a believer in God? Yes. Do I believe 100% of everything I hear from the bible? Not always. Why? Because there are many, many contradictory things in there and frankly, following the basic morals of peace and love in the bible are enough for me. I sing and play Christian worship music, I have Christian friends and I pray on a daily basis. But I would not go so far as to put down a developer or anyone else who did something they felt satisfied their target audience, no matter what my beliefs. I'll probably come back and say more later. But Nicol, I am going to leave you and all other christians who might have the same view on this list with a question. And I urge you to be careful how you answer this one. I am currently starting to practice a martial art. It is an art known as Iaido, and consists of sword techniques used to dispatch an opponent at the same time you draw the sword, flicking the blood off the blade and resheathing. I have been going at it for 2 months, and the fact that it's an art that was once used as a method of killing does not bother me in the least. Does that make me in any way evil or unloving? Especially since the philosophy behind the art is never using it unless you have to, and the teachings of the art are centered around doing things with full commitment, treating others equally and acting with honor? Answer that question for me, if you will. Just something to think about. Anyone else is welcome to ask questions about the art... though as that is somewhat off-topic, if you are curious, please email offlist. Clement. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording
Hi, Nicol, I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about; blacklisted with Telkom? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Lelia Struve Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:45 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording Hey Hey!!! its ok, you said what you felt you wanted to say, we expressed our opinions, its ok. No worries. Original message: Guys, Tom, Justin, please just forgive me! I am really terribly sorry. sad face. I am not joking. Really guys, I made a big mistake. I should have let my mom listen to the recording prior to posting it. I realize that I used harsh words. I am terribly afraid I will be summonsed for character assassination or that I will be blacklisted with telkom. If I need to do a recording to apologize in this way, let me know and I will do it .It wasn't my intention to assassinate anyone's character. I can't sleep at night, I am terribly worried. This was my first recording, I chew off more than I could bite. I wasn't intending in any way to launch a personal attack. Please can you guys forgive me and move on? If tom and Raul decides to ban or moderate me, that's fine, I can handle it although this is the last thing I wish. As long as I am not going to face a court summons or blacklisting from telkom, my ISP. Please forgive me, I learnt from my mistake, definitely! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] martial arts
Hi Nicol, It sounds as if what your people are saying is pure guesswork. I am a Catholic, and I'll be the first to tell you that a lot of Catholic beliefs are questioned but most of them have at least some biblical basis. What you are saying about God no longer needing miracles or wars makes no since whatsoever and has, as far as I see it, no biblical basis at all. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:26 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] martial arts Hi Nockol, you wrote. We are taught at our meetings that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes. My question is this. who is teaching you that martial arts is wrong in God's eyes and where are they getting their information from? In the old testament the Israelites God's people went to war and won with God's help and prayer. So this means that God wants his people to have some means or both physical and spiritual self defense. Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi, I am curious: which game do you know of that glorifies violence? Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Duff Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:07 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi brains in our sole? I'm not sure about that lol! But I will put in my 2 cense here... I have no problems with a game having violence just as long as it's there as part of the plot. IF it's there just to glorify violence then I would have a problem. And just for the record I know of no game for the blind that does this... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shiny protector Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:34 PM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Exactly. And that's why we have brains in our sole. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi People may try to teach you something, but why do you believe their attempted teachings? If I have been playing games in which death occurs for a number of years with no ill effects on my character, and people preach to me that this is wrong because of what it will do to me, should I suddenly jump ship and totally avoid those games that have done me no harm in the past? Sorry, but I refuse to do it. We were given brains for the purpose of using them to question what is around us and to hopefully make wise decisions on what to do during our time on Earth. When it comes to whether a game or type of game is harmful to us, or wrong to play, I suggest we use common sense rather than blindly accepting the opinions of others --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: NIcol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi Clement, it was never my intention to put down any dev. And it was never my intention to say that developers should only make games for Jehovah's witnesses. I am just unhappy because pipe2 has shooting when there are so many other shooting games. And what I said throughout the recording, is not of my own. Its what I have been constantly been taught at our meetings. So don't be cross with me, because its not of my own that I said these things. I am taught these things at our meetings and it just bubbled over. Hope this clears the air at least a bit. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 5914 (20110228) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 5914 (20110228) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers
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Hi Nicol, I just downloaded and finished listening to your message. Here are my thoughts and comments in a sort of question and answer format. Q: Tom, why must you use mythology in Mysteries of the Ancients? A: Well, Nicol, there are a number of reasons why I use mythology in my games like Mysteries of the Ancients and it has nothing to do with religion per say. I am a Christian myself, and unlike your church I have always been a lot more open minded and liberal about church doctrine. For one thing I believe it is alright to read, study, and understand other religions provided I realise that Jesus Christ is my personal lord and savior. Therefore I do not worship Greek, Egyptian, and Roman mythology but I study them to better understand the culture, people, and beliefs of those ancient societies. Not to study ancient cultures religions is ignorance of what those people thought and how they lived their lives. Which brings me to my next reason for using mythology in my games. I don't know if you are aware of this, but when I entered college it was with the intent to become a historian. I couldn't get grants to get a history degree so I eventually entered the computer science field. All the same I took several electives on ancient history, comparative religions, ancient mythology, to get a better understanding of ancient people and ancient culture. I don't see Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology, Babylonian mythology, etc as religion but as ancient history. From that attitude or perspective it is not incompatible with Christianity because the issue here is not who or what I personally worship, but studying ancient beliefs from a purely scientific and/or historical point of view. That brings me to my next reason. Although, I am a Christian by faith that doesn't mean I necessarily agree with the bible on each and every subject. What I'm saying is I don't take everything in the bible litterally. For example, in Genesis chapter 1 we have this story about the world being created in six days. Now, since I am college educated, have a heavy background in science and history I absolutely can not take that litteral. I agree with science that the world is about 4.5 billion years old, and our universe is perhaps a good fifteen billion years old. So how do I reconcile that with the bible? Well, for starts the hebrew word in the book Genesis is not day. There really isn't an English word like it, but basically it is an unspecified period of time that is used to seperate one stage of creation from another. Using that logic we could say it was a day, a week, a month, a year, a billion years, whatever. It need not mean a litteral six days that some Creationists insist Genesis chapter 1 is talking about. The other argument proposed by St. Augastine himself is that the Genesis story is a Metaphorical myth to give you the truth that God created the earth, Adam and Eve, etc but is not to be taken litterally. People will probably argue over this until God returns, but the fact is I myself agree with Augastine that Christians should be careful in assuming a litteral six day creation, and have adopted a more scientific and more open minded view about Genesis. All I'm saying is I am a person who tries to see the world both through science and Christianity. I feel by looking at both, comparing them, can we get to the truth. I have had my fair share of Jehovah Witnessesshow up on my door step telling me that the world is only 6,000 years old, and while they are welcome to their beliefs there is nothing they can say or do to convince me that their unscientific position is the correct one. Finally, as I have said many times on this list I am a huge fan of Indiana Jones, Tomb Raider, and Rogue Angel. All of these books, movies, and games involve an archeologist looking for some lost artifact and must end up going through some ancient tomb or something to recover it. And yes, they involve a fair share of mythology and a bit of the supernatural as part of the plot. As it is totally make believe, all in good fun, it has nothing to do with what I personally believe or how I worship. So in my mind creating an adventure game like Mysteries of the Ancients, historical mythology and all, is perfectly ok for me and others from a religious point of view. If you don't like it simply don't play it. Q: Justin, why must you have shooting In Pipe II Blast Chamber? A: While I am not Justin I'm certain I can answer this one. the answer is pretty simple. We do not all share the same beliefs. As you probably know by now regardless if someone is aChristian or not no two Christian churches agree on the exact same doctrine. I myself have no problem with the violence in Pipe II where you apparently do. This is just something you are going to have to accept and stop moaning about the fact we don't all share the same beliefs here. I don't know what Justin believes in, but like me apparently he doesn't see a problem with the violence in the games he
Re: [Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Hi Nicol, Nicol wrote: Today we have the complete bible so today god is no longer using miracles or wars. My reply: Oh, you of little faith. Do you seriously believe that God performed thousands of myricles during the old testament period, Christ performed thousands more during his life time on earth, and suddenly today he just stopped performing myricles like that? This may or may not be proof of the existance of God, but there are documented cases of people with deadly illnesses like cancer who suddenly go into remission after praying for a myricle. The doctors attribute these as some as yet some unexplained form of natural recovery. Christians attribute these kinds of myricles to God. Either way it should make one wonder if God and myricles do exist. It is my personal belief that they could be genuine power of faith and prayer, but am open to the idea that the recovery is do to a natural rather than supernatural explanation too. Thing is we shouldn't say that myricles don't happen any more. That is like saying God doesn't exist simply because we don't have absolute proof. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I agree here as well, Thomas, and have just one more point to mention before I let this drop... I pretty much said all I had to say this morning. lol. To clear up for Nicol's benefit and anyone else who might be wondering... although this is not strictly related to gaming. Martial arts are not purely physical disciplines which consist of violent techniques. All martial arts, particularly Japanese arts, have a strong basis in honor, and spiritual development. As well as all this, they train mental skills such as body awareness, coordination, etc. Take Iaido, example. An art with the sword can teach so much more than how to cut someone down. You have to be constantly aware of your opponent's location, and what your body is doing. Especially the lattor. My sensei always tells us not to look. Feel with our body, our mind... of course, being totally blind... looking isn't an option anyway. But the slow, precise movements of the sword, are amazing to learn and an unspeakable experience. You can't know until you try it. But the most important aspect of Iaido is to develop a calm, disciplined and honorable spirit. To act calmly and rationally in a panicky situation, and to act honorably. If a problem comes up, start with the center and work your way through it... just like a sword form. All the cuts and movements start from the center of the body. This is just a small example of how martial arts is more than just flashy ways of fighting. Now that I'm done rambling about that, back to gaming. But anyone who wants to know more or is curious... feel free to email me offlist. Clement. PS: everything Tom and Charles h -- next part -- La premiere article parle d'un pere qui habite au Texas mais qui vennait de Montreal. Il etait condamne a la p?nalite de mort parce qu'il avait tuer ses enfants. Mots que J'ai appris: La Garde: custody procureur: prosecutor Enlever: to kidnap La deuxieme article discute la possibilite que le mort recent d'une feme de 21 ans etait a cause de la prostitution. Trois mots que J'ai appris: obtenir: to procure impliquer: to involve sans connaissance: unconscious --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording
Hi Nicol, Take it easy bro. Nobody is going to black list you, kick you off the list, moderate you, or turn you over to the police or anything like that. You expressed an opinion, and I for one wasn't offended by it. Everyone has a right to their opinions, personal beliefs, and I've learned a long time ago to accept that not everyone agrees with me exactly. So I don't let things like that bother me. In fact, I've got a pretty thick skin, and haven't gotten where I am today by crying over every insult or by being offended by every comment I didn't agree with or like. Trust me when I say I have heard a lot worse, and have been called names I won't even repete on the list. When my wife gets angry you should hear her cuss and scream. At times like that she'll go a bit too far and call me every filthy dirty name in the book, and then some. Hours later, after she cools off, she'll apologise. So let's just say I have heard some pretty nasty insults and your comments don't even come close to my wife's tirades. Lol! Anyway, like I said forget it. It is no big deal. If you want to play Mysteries of the Ancients play it. If you don't then don't play it. I don't care what you think about it. My pride isn't based on what others think or do not think about my work. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the future of VI gaming
I agree here as well, Thomas, and have just one more point to mention before I let this drop... I pretty much said all I had to say this morning. lol. To clear up for Nicol's benefit and anyone else who might be wondering... although this is not strictly related to gaming. Martial arts are not purely physical disciplines which consist of violent techniques. All martial arts, particularly Japanese arts, have a strong basis in honor, and spiritual development. As well as all this, they train mental skills such as body awareness, coordination, etc. Take Iaido, example. An art with the sword can teach so much more than how to cut someone down. You have to be constantly aware of your opponent's location, and what your body is doing. Especially the lattor. My sensei always tells us not to look. Feel with our body, our mind... of course, being totally blind... looking isn't an option anyway. But the slow, precise movements of the sword, are amazing to learn and an unspeakable experience. You can't know until you try it. But the most important aspect of Iaido is to develop a calm, disciplined and honorable spirit. To act calmly and rationally in a panicky situation, and to act honorably. If a problem comes up, start with the center and work your way through it... just like a sword form. All the cuts and movements start from the center of the body. This is just a small example of how martial arts is more than just flashy ways of fighting. Now that I'm done rambling about that, back to gaming. But anyone who wants to know more or is curious... feel free to email me offlist. Clement. PS: everything Tom and Charles have said about the bible being filled with violence is true, and a solid piece of proof that the fact that God is not as against violence as people would think... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording
Hi, I agree; you have been taking a very rational standpoint. I could've foreseen a lot worse. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 8:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording Hi Nicol, Take it easy bro. Nobody is going to black list you, kick you off the list, moderate you, or turn you over to the police or anything like that. You expressed an opinion, and I for one wasn't offended by it. Everyone has a right to their opinions, personal beliefs, and I've learned a long time ago to accept that not everyone agrees with me exactly. So I don't let things like that bother me. In fact, I've got a pretty thick skin, and haven't gotten where I am today by crying over every insult or by being offended by every comment I didn't agree with or like. Trust me when I say I have heard a lot worse, and have been called names I won't even repete on the list. When my wife gets angry you should hear her cuss and scream. At times like that she'll go a bit too far and call me every filthy dirty name in the book, and then some. Hours later, after she cools off, she'll apologise. So let's just say I have heard some pretty nasty insults and your comments don't even come close to my wife's tirades. Lol! Anyway, like I said forget it. It is no big deal. If you want to play Mysteries of the Ancients play it. If you don't then don't play it. I don't care what you think about it. My pride isn't based on what others think or do not think about my work. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: [GameTalk] BSC Games Merge
Hi, I like it as well; the name sounds like something APH would come up with. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Pitermach Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:33 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: [GameTalk] BSC Games Merge all nice, but... blindsoftware.com? meh, that name just sounds so absolutely blink'ish. and I probably wouldn't offer games through it. I think justin should have bscgames.com redirect to blindsoftware.com rather than just killing it, since it'll be a hard change. if anyone could forward my idea that'd be neat. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 2:58 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Fwd: [GameTalk] BSC Games Merge Dear Valued Customer, On the week of March 1 2011, we are releasing a new version of the blindsoftware.com website. It will offer all of our customers some new and beneficial features. First, you will be able to generate a replacement unlock code yourself for any BSC game or any blindsoftware.com product through the blindsoftware.com website. This means you no longer have to wait on a technical support person to manually create your replacement unlock code and send it to you. You can have it instantly generated for you and emailed to you any time, any day. Another new feature we will be offering through the blindsoftware.com website is a new format for our top ten scoreboards. The new format will permit you to quickly switch between all top ten scoreboards for any of our games on one single page. We will also be changing hosting providers for blindsoftware.com on the week of March 1, 2011. This means that during the week of March 1, 2011 you may experience errors sending email to blindsoftware.com or you may experience errors when trying to view the blindsoftware.com website. You may also experience errors when trying to post scores to our scoreboard server. Finally, you may experience intermittently seeing the old blindsoftware.com website and the new blindsoftware.com website. These temporary inconveniences are normal because we are changing website hosting providers. This means it can take upwards of two days for the entire world to become aware of the new hosting provider's DNS name servers. If you are unfamiliar with DNS name servers, you can perform a quick google search on the words DNS name servers. So in short, things will be back to normal towards the end of the week of March 1, 2011. Since we are offering these new features through the blindsoftware.com website, starting on the week of March 1, 2011 we will also be discontinuing the BSC Games.com website. From now on you will be able to download the games from www.blindsoftware.com and receive technical support for the games through www.blindsoftware.com. Even though the BSC Games.com website will be closing, the BSC Games products are not being discontinued and will continue to be offered through the blindsoftware.com website. Again, only the BSC Games.com website is being discontinued. The main reason for closing the BSC Games.com website is to simplify operations of the company for us by only having to manage one website for all products. All BSC Games products will continue to be sold through blindsoftware.com and technical support will continue to be provided for the games through blindsoftware.com. The top ten scoreboards for all games will continue to be available through the blindsoftware.com website. If you have any questions, please feel free to email us at supp...@blindsoftware.com but please be aware that the email may be lost during the transition to our new hosting provider. If you do not get a reply from us, please email us again towards the end of the week of March 1, 2011. Thank you for your continued support, The Blindsoftware.com team. To unsubscribe or manage your GameTalk subscription please access the following link: http://www.BscGames.com/bsc_gametalk.asp The list archive can be viewed at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/gametalk/ BSC Games Computer Games For The Blind Or Visually Impaired www.BscGames.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from
[Audyssey] Moderator Let's Get Back On Topic
Hi everyone, Ok, I think all of us, including me, have gotten too carried away with the games verses religion topic. Let us please stear things back on topic as I don't think everyone wants to read another hundred messages on this topic. However, before I go this is just a word of friendly advice from both your moderator and as a fellow lister. While all of us have different spiritual beliefs, different backgrounds, etc this list isn't the proper forum to really debate those issues. People have been discussing the nature of God and man, what is considered to be proper human behavior, etc for centuries and will continue long after you and I are gone. In the end all we can really do is leave it up to our personal judgment and do what we believe to be right in our own personal way. At the same time we should try and respect others with a different view, and not put them down for seeing their values, life style, etc differently. That is the only way we as a community will get along. Finally, remember that weather you do or do not play a certain type of game is in the end purely personal choice. If you do not like a certain product a developer creates you do not have to buy it, play it, or have anything to do with it. However, at the same time let's remember that others do enjoy it and we should not make an issue of their choices and we won't make an issue out of your personal choices either. If you really feel there aren't any games made to your liking or spiritual beliefs there are alternatives. Philip Bennefall has created a wonderful tool, BGT, that will allow a beginner to learn how to create and build games without being an ITT professional with years of programming skill and training behind him/her. I think that this is the best and most rational solution to the problem available. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Sticky keys?
Hi all, so here I am playing games and loving homerun as you all know by now. But here is my dilemma and I'm wondering if I can do anything about this? As sometimes in the ESP games I need to use the shift keys. Sometimes when I'm running as fast as I can or throwing peanuts or popcorn at someone my sticky keys get turned on and it beeps at me and I havde to tab over to cancel. Is there a way not to have this happen? Thanks -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Moderator Let's Get Back On Topic
Agreed, Thomas... let's get back to gaming... whatever definition that might have for people. I don't remember seeing this many messages on the list in a day for quite a while. lol. At 06:55 PM 28/02/2011, you wrote: Hi everyone, Ok, I think all of us, including me, have gotten too carried away with the games verses religion topic. Let us please stear things back on topic as I don't think everyone wants to read another hundred messages on this topic. However, before I go this is just a word of friendly advice from both your moderator and as a fellow lister. While all of us have different spiritual beliefs, different backgrounds, etc this list isn't the proper forum to really debate those issues. People have been discussing the nature of God and man, what is considered to be proper human behavior, etc for centuries and will continue long after you and I are gone. In the end all we can really do is leave it up to our personal judgment and do what we believe to be right in our own personal way. At the same time we should try and respect others with a different view, and not put them down for seeing their values, life style, etc differently. That is the only way we as a community will get along. Finally, remember that weather you do or do not play a certain type of game is in the end purely personal choice. If you do not like a certain product a developer creates you do not have to buy it, play it, or have anything to do with it. However, at the same time let's remember that others do enjoy it and we should not make an issue of their choices and we won't make an issue out of your personal choices either. If you really feel there aren't any games made to your liking or spiritual beliefs there are alternatives. Philip Bennefall has created a wonderful tool, BGT, that will allow a beginner to learn how to create and build games without being an ITT professional with years of programming skill and training behind him/her. I think that this is the best and most rational solution to the problem available. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Sticky keys?
Hi, If you go into control panel, there is an option called accessibility. You can email me if you need more help, but needless to say the option to disable the shortcut is in there. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Lelia Struve Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:00 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Sticky keys? Hi all, so here I am playing games and loving homerun as you all know by now. But here is my dilemma and I'm wondering if I can do anything about this? As sometimes in the ESP games I need to use the shift keys. Sometimes when I'm running as fast as I can or throwing peanuts or popcorn at someone my sticky keys get turned on and it beeps at me and I havde to tab over to cancel. Is there a way not to have this happen? Thanks -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] my appologies RE: a strong message about the future of games for the vi
Well says Thomas. Tommy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games
You won't know how good the 6 tables are until you buy. Like so many other games, the demo is a mere scratch of the surface. --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The ESP games O but I love that game, I just played it and kept getting more and more new balls and once I got a high score, I'm about to eat dinner so had to quit arg wish I'd have known my score, man o man that game is addicting. Too bad its only a demo. Original message: Home run game' you mean pinball extreme home run table? oh that game was weird. hehe On 2/28/11, Lelia Struve leliastr...@samobile.net wrote: Man you know what I wish? I wish that Draconis would find a way to just have the sports games in one package of ESP that would be way cool. I'm lovin this home run game. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Lelia Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a strong message about the future of games for the vi
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 09:57:24PM +0200, Jacob Kruger wrote: Here's a dropbox link to a slightly smaller file - I dropped it down [My Reply:] Thanks for the link! Hey! Popeye the Sailor isn't violent?!?!? He kicked Bluto's butt in nearly episode of the cartoon! Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] I beg you for forgiveness regarding my recording
On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 12:00:40AM +0200, NIcol wrote: I am really terribly sorry. sad face. [My Reply:] You're fired! We're taking away your driver's license, too. That'll fix you. Michael -- Linux User: 177869 # Powered By: Intel # http://rivensight.dyndns.org Postings Copyrighted 2010-2011 by: Michael Ferranti --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: [GameTalk] BSC Games Merge
Hi, I for one agree with you. The blindsoftware.com name sounds so unprofessional. Sounds like something lame that APH or some other blind organization would come up with. I personally would have been happier if they renamed them both BSC Software or something like that. Cheers! On 2/28/11, Pitermach piterm...@gmail.com wrote: all nice, but... blindsoftware.com? meh, that name just sounds so absolutely blink'ish. and I probably wouldn't offer games through it. I think justin should have bscgames.com redirect to blindsoftware.com rather than just killing it, since it'll be a hard change. if anyone could forward my idea that'd be neat. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the crusades
Hi Josh, No offense there are a number of historical inaccuracies on the website that are clearly taken from a Catholic only point of view, and not from a broader more historical point of view. The Crusades, both major and minor, is a very complex subject because there are so many different points of view to take into account in addition to the historical events themselves. It is not a clear cut black and white issue as this website seams to try and make it out to be. Anyway, this really has no business on this list. So let's all get back to gaming shall we? Thanks. On 2/28/11, Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I looked up information on the crusades. this website has audio files which accurately explains the crusades. http://www.catholic.com/radio/event.php?calendar=1category=event=6452date=2010-10-25 Josh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] the crusades
Yes I think we should get back to the game topic. Tommy --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Message to Phil?
Hey, Phil, any word on when the new update for the Sarah game is going to finally be released? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: [GameTalk] BSC Games Merge
this is all well and good but the games are old now no new titles are forthcoming? On 1 Mar 2011, at 02:53, Hayden Presley wrote: Hi, I like it as well; the name sounds like something APH would come up with. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Pitermach Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:33 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: [GameTalk] BSC Games Merge all nice, but... blindsoftware.com? meh, that name just sounds so absolutely blink'ish. and I probably wouldn't offer games through it. I think justin should have bscgames.com redirect to blindsoftware.com rather than just killing it, since it'll be a hard change. if anyone could forward my idea that'd be neat. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 2:58 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Fwd: [GameTalk] BSC Games Merge Dear Valued Customer, On the week of March 1 2011, we are releasing a new version of the blindsoftware.com website. It will offer all of our customers some new and beneficial features. First, you will be able to generate a replacement unlock code yourself for any BSC game or any blindsoftware.com product through the blindsoftware.com website. This means you no longer have to wait on a technical support person to manually create your replacement unlock code and send it to you. You can have it instantly generated for you and emailed to you any time, any day. Another new feature we will be offering through the blindsoftware.com website is a new format for our top ten scoreboards. The new format will permit you to quickly switch between all top ten scoreboards for any of our games on one single page. We will also be changing hosting providers for blindsoftware.com on the week of March 1, 2011. This means that during the week of March 1, 2011 you may experience errors sending email to blindsoftware.com or you may experience errors when trying to view the blindsoftware.com website. You may also experience errors when trying to post scores to our scoreboard server. Finally, you may experience intermittently seeing the old blindsoftware.com website and the new blindsoftware.com website. These temporary inconveniences are normal because we are changing website hosting providers. This means it can take upwards of two days for the entire world to become aware of the new hosting provider's DNS name servers. If you are unfamiliar with DNS name servers, you can perform a quick google search on the words DNS name servers. So in short, things will be back to normal towards the end of the week of March 1, 2011. Since we are offering these new features through the blindsoftware.com website, starting on the week of March 1, 2011 we will also be discontinuing the BSC Games.com website. From now on you will be able to download the games from www.blindsoftware.com and receive technical support for the games through www.blindsoftware.com. Even though the BSC Games.com website will be closing, the BSC Games products are not being discontinued and will continue to be offered through the blindsoftware.com website. Again, only the BSC Games.com website is being discontinued. The main reason for closing the BSC Games.com website is to simplify operations of the company for us by only having to manage one website for all products. All BSC Games products will continue to be sold through blindsoftware.com and technical support will continue to be provided for the games through blindsoftware.com. The top ten scoreboards for all games will continue to be available through the blindsoftware.com website. If you have any questions, please feel free to email us at supp...@blindsoftware.com but please be aware that the email may be lost during the transition to our new hosting provider. If you do not get a reply from us, please email us again towards the end of the week of March 1, 2011. Thank you for your continued support, The Blindsoftware.com team. To unsubscribe or manage your GameTalk subscription please access the following link: http://www.BscGames.com/bsc_gametalk.asp The list archive can be viewed at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/gametalk/ BSC Games Computer Games For The Blind Or Visually Impaired www.BscGames.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
