[MBZ] Well well well

2006-03-04 Thread Curt Raymond
In advance of selling my 240D to a coworker I went through all the receipts I 
have and added them up. In the last 48,000 miles and 1 month short of 3 years 
it cost me right around $6,500 not including fuel but that does include the 
purchase price.
  So that seems like around $.0135 a mile. IIRC $0.09 is considered pretty 
good. So while mine is maybe a bit higher than desirable I'm actually pretty 
pleased and truth be told if I'd made that calculation 6 months ago I'd 
probably have pushed another $3k into the car and not bought the 190D thus 
saving myself untold grief and expense, but oh the 190D driving experience. 
I've never had a car before that felt so attached to the road, I do like the 
way that car rides and I think I'll like it even more once the seats are 
rebuilt, but I digress.
  At one point I tracked fuel mileage for 7500 miles and had an average around 
28 so assuming 26 to be conservative I've burned around 1800 gallons of diesel 
fuel which if we assume $2/gal cost me around $3692. If I'd driven my pickup at 
around 17mpg the same distance I'd have spent (assuming the same price just for 
the sake of argument) around $5647. So the nearly $2000 this car saved me in 
fuel over 3 years drops (in my mind anyway) its theoretical price of ownership 
down to $0.09/mile and if I figure in the $800 the rube, I mean new owner is 
giving me we're down to $0.08/mile which is pretty darned good.
   
  Sorry if you are one of those who doesn't care but I sort of like playing 
with numbers and its a slow night...
   
  -Curt


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Will a diesel engine run on a mixture of jet fuel and diesel or straight 
jet fuel?

jet fuel is about 1.84  a gallon ...
Take a look at FedEx fuel surcharges

http://fedex.com/cgi-bin/fuelsurcharge.cgi?cc=uslanguage=english#jan0206



Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Ed Booher
As I understand it, diesels were tried in planes, and didn't make it
far due to the burn / compression ratio needed by the engine. Piston
and Jet engines in planes need a much lower burn rating (higher octane
... all the math is a little muddy) Basically, the air is so thin as
you climb into the stratosphere that you need a mix that requires as
little air as possible to burn. Running jet fuel in a diesel, I think,
would thus have almost no use. A diesel probably couldn't run on pure
jet fuel, and any jet fuel that is in mix with diesel might have
interesting complications.

I guess it would be similar to a full tank of gasoline. A diesel
engine will try it's best, and in most scenarios, be able to limp
using gas, but their is no spark to ignite the gas so it all deals
with heat, and the combustion chamber isn't very equal in it's stroke.
So it runs very rough as some of the fuel begins to burn in the wrong
places of the cycle and most of it dumps to the ground as liquid from
the exhaust.

Though I've never owned a diesel, so I'm just going off of research
I've picked up from here and other places. For all I know, it might be
perfect to run Jet Fuel in a Diesel, but I don't think so.

On 3/3/06, Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Will a diesel engine run on a mixture of jet fuel and diesel or straight
 jet fuel?

 jet fuel is about 1.84  a gallon ...
 Take a look at FedEx fuel surcharges

 http://fedex.com/cgi-bin/fuelsurcharge.cgi?cc=uslanguage=english#jan0206

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Re: [MBZ] MY CAR (and what is going on with Mobil 1)

2006-03-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 
 oh lord, dont stir up luther.

Maybe we should tell him there's a mechanically minded 23 y-o Benz lover
on Mercedesshop? I hear she's cute too. 

Mitch.



Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

2006-03-04 Thread Mitch Haley
kevin kraly wrote:
 
 If a tooth equals 18 degrees, is it true that the cam gear has 20 teeth for
 360 degrees?

No, that would mean the crank sprocket has 20 teeth and the cam  IP have 40.
One tooth equals 18 degrees at the crank, not at the cam.



Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

2006-03-04 Thread ms . 300SD
Wow, Jim!  I am so glad to hear this. especially after yesterday!

Lynn in WA


Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

2006-03-04 Thread Jim Cathey
If a tooth equals 18 degrees, is it true that the cam gear has 20 
teeth for

360 degrees?


No, that would mean the crank sprocket has 20 teeth and the cam  IP 
have 40.

One tooth equals 18 degrees at the crank, not at the cam.


Or some ratio.  I don't think there's quite 40 teeth on the cam
sprocket.  But it could have 20 and the crank 10.  (And I don't
think either of these figures is right.)

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Jim Cathey

As I understand it, diesels were tried in planes, and didn't make it
far due to the burn / compression ratio needed by the engine. Piston


Diesel piston engines didn't fly, so to speak, but that's irrelevant
to this question.


would thus have almost no use. A diesel probably couldn't run on pure
jet fuel, and any jet fuel that is in mix with diesel might have
interesting complications.


It's done all the time.  There is a lot of fuel pumped out of planes
for various reasons, and it isn't certifiable to be put back.  Slop
fuel.  One of the perks of working at the airport and owning a
forgiving diesel (like a Benz) is that you can often get free
fuel, if you're quiet about it.  We've heard from some of those
here.  The jet fuel is not an optimal blend, but it works pretty
well and you can always mix it with #2 as hamburger helper.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Christopher McCann
Speaking of Kaia? Wait, that's Mercedessource. She SOUNDS cute, but  NEVER go 
by that! Although, she is VERY helpful. I love those simpleton  books they put 
out - as if they are written just for me. I think I own  5 of them and dying to 
get the buyers guide - their biggest one yet -  not out yet.
  
  I was thinking up a story about Luther and how he will meet his dream  
girl...It will all start in a McDonald's parking lot...the rest of the  plot, 
I'm still working on in my head.
  
  Chris

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 oh lord, dont stir up luther.

Maybe we should tell him there's a mechanically minded 23 y-o Benz lover
on Mercedesshop? I hear she's cute too. 

Mitch.

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 ownership down to $0.09/mile and if I figure in the $800 the rube, I 
 mean new owner is giving me we're down to $0.08/mile which is pretty 
 darned good.

I'd hate to run those numbers here, most of ours would stink.  But for
absolute lowest cost per mile there's nothing like a Frankenheap, one
of two cars we have at the other end of the spectrum. Cheap?  Yes.
Trouble-free?  No, not exactly.  Beautiful?  Ha!  But cheap, did I
mention cheap?

The thing is, to get stellar numbers you can't put money in for
anything that's not necessary, and for those things that are you
look hard at used parts.  And the cosmetics go to hell.  (Or stay
there!)

It's not what everybody wants, to be sure, and it's not even what
_I_ want a good portion of the time.  But in slushmobile season...

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Christopher McCann
I'd mix it with filtered veggie oil as helper - no lubricity problems then!
  
  Chris

Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   As I understand it, diesels were tried 
in planes, and didn't make it
 far due to the burn / compression ratio needed by the engine. Piston

Diesel piston engines didn't fly, so to speak, but that's irrelevant
to this question.

 would thus have almost no use. A diesel probably couldn't run on pure
 jet fuel, and any jet fuel that is in mix with diesel might have
 interesting complications.

It's done all the time.  There is a lot of fuel pumped out of planes
for various reasons, and it isn't certifiable to be put back.  Slop
fuel.  One of the perks of working at the airport and owning a
forgiving diesel (like a Benz) is that you can often get free
fuel, if you're quiet about it.  We've heard from some of those
here.  The jet fuel is not an optimal blend, but it works pretty
well and you can always mix it with #2 as hamburger helper.

-- Jim


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Chris admitted:

 I was thinking up a story about Luther and how he will meet his dream 
girl...It will all start in a McDonald's parking lot...the rest of the 
plot, I'm still working on in my head.

That is kind of like the musical I'm working on...a musical set in a nuclear 
plant.
We are an odd lot.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 149K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield park, AZ




Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Ed Booher
On 3/3/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I was thinking up a story about Luther and how he will meet his dream  
 girl...It will all start in a McDonald's parking lot...the rest of the  plot, 
 I'm still working on in my head.

  Chris

Chris,

While I'm sure that Luther is an upstanding and rather likeable
fellow, I must question your devoting brain cycles to dreaming up
plots involving Luther meeting the girl of his dreams. Certainly, you
would be better off dreaming up plots to give a MB diesel to him, or
to me, or another to yourself. At least that would hold some Benz
related info. (Him driving a Benz in your dream to this fictional
McDonald's does not count.)

Ed

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Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Christopher McCann wrote:
 
 Speaking of Kaia?

No, BodhiBenz1987 on Mercedesshop. She turned 24 back in December, so I got the
age wrong. Owns a white/palomino W124/OM603, and a maple W115 240D.
She has as many Benzs as I had Saabs when I was her age. Probably too good for
Luther, anyway.



Re: [MBZ] Optima 34 Red Top?/Lights left on Buzzer

2006-03-04 Thread David Johnson
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 No buzzer when key left in lock, or lights left on,
 usually means the time  
 delay  that turns the front interior light on and
 off has also  failed.  To 
 confirm, does the front interior light come on when
 the  driver's door is opened? 
  And it should stay on after the driver's door is 
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Hi Jim,
The fron interior light does come on when doors are
opened, and will turn itself off after 10 sec.
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Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Christopher McCann
I'll be sure to mark OT in the future.
  
  Chris

Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On 3/3/06, Christopher McCann  wrote:
  I was thinking up a story about Luther and how he will meet his dream  
 girl...It will all start in a McDonald's parking lot...the rest of the  plot, 
 I'm still working on in my head.

  Chris

Chris,

While I'm sure that Luther is an upstanding and rather likeable
fellow, I must question your devoting brain cycles to dreaming up
plots involving Luther meeting the girl of his dreams. Certainly, you
would be better off dreaming up plots to give a MB diesel to him, or
to me, or another to yourself. At least that would hold some Benz
related info. (Him driving a Benz in your dream to this fictional
McDonald's does not count.)

Ed

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Knew a guy back in the Old Guard (meaning mid '70s Coast Guard) who burne=
d
nothing but JP-4 in iis old diesel Benz, and this was an old diesel Benz
in 1976. God only knows the year that car was.

But it ran just fine.

What would that have been, a 220D? Or what as even older?

On 3/3/06, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As I understand it, diesels were tried in planes, and didn't make it
 far due to the burn / compression ratio needed by the engine. Piston
 and Jet engines in planes need a much lower burn rating (higher octane
 ... all the math is a little muddy) Basically, the air is so thin as
 you climb into the stratosphere that you need a mix that requires as
 little air as possible to burn. Running jet fuel in a diesel, I think,
 would thus have almost no use. A diesel probably couldn't run on pure
 jet fuel, and any jet fuel that is in mix with diesel might have
 interesting complications.

 I guess it would be similar to a full tank of gasoline. A diesel
 engine will try it's best, and in most scenarios, be able to limp
 using gas, but their is no spark to ignite the gas so it all deals
 with heat, and the combustion chamber isn't very equal in it's stroke.
 So it runs very rough as some of the fuel begins to burn in the wrong
 places of the cycle and most of it dumps to the ground as liquid from
 the exhaust.

 Though I've never owned a diesel, 

Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Marshall Booth

Bill Gallagher wrote:
Will a diesel engine run on a mixture of jet fuel and diesel or straight 
jet fuel?


jet fuel is about 1.84  a gallon ...
Take a look at FedEx fuel surcharges

http://fedex.com/cgi-bin/fuelsurcharge.cgi?cc=uslanguage=english#jan0206


Mercedes diesels run rather well on Jet fuel. They run better on #2 
diesel though. If you pay the federal and state road tax, the price of 
the jet fuel will be quite similar to diesel.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Door seals

2006-03-04 Thread OK Don
Try copying the two link lines into a text editor like wordpad - then
re-assemble them there without extra spaces and line feeds, EOL, etc.
When assembled, copy and paste into the browser --
Nothing hides in the text editor -- you see all.

On 3/3/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Bill,

   I do copy the second line in, it doesn't work. Or rather the only time it 
 doesn't work is when its an attachment. To go to an external site its okay.

   -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006, ****UPDATE***

2006-03-04 Thread David Brodbeck
OK Don wrote:
 True! But it might be too cold - tastes better warmer than freezing.

Guiness is good stuff, but I try to drink local microbrews whenever I
can.  Somehow the flavor of a beer seems to improve in direct proportion
to how close I am to where it was brewed.  Some of the best beer I've
ever had has been in brew pubs, where it was brewed twelve feet from
where I was sitting.



Re: [MBZ] Well well well

2006-03-04 Thread David Brodbeck
Jim Cathey wrote:
 The thing is, to get stellar numbers you can't put money in for
 anything that's not necessary, and for those things that are you
 look hard at used parts.  And the cosmetics go to hell.  (Or stay
 there!)

And of course a lot of our numbers would change if we included the value
of our time and labor. ;)



Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread David Brodbeck
Jim Cathey wrote:
 It's done all the time.  There is a lot of fuel pumped out of planes
 for various reasons, and it isn't certifiable to be put back.  Slop
 fuel.  One of the perks of working at the airport and owning a
 forgiving diesel (like a Benz) is that you can often get free
 fuel, if you're quiet about it.  We've heard from some of those
 here.  The jet fuel is not an optimal blend, but it works pretty
 well and you can always mix it with #2 as hamburger helper.

My understanding is it's pretty similar to kerosene.  Somewhat lower
BTU/gallon, and poor lubricity qualities compared to Diesel #2.  But
it'll burn fine.  There's a reason pilots sometimes refer to jets as
oil burners.

Jet engines used in ground-based applications (crazy-ass hotrods,
motorcycles, etc.) are often run on diesel #2.  Gas turbines are even
more omnivorous than diesels.



[MBZ] Attn: cheapskates

2006-03-04 Thread RELNGSON
For those living in western Washington, Schuck's auto supply is having a 
one-buck-off per quart coupon sale. The coupon flyer was at the front counter 
in 
the Lake City store. 

So, I paid $4.99 per quart, buying two cases. The discount applies to all 
flavors of M1, included the EP version, marked down to $5.29.

Although the coupon says one case limit, the clerk just rang up two sales and 
didn't bother to collect the coupon.

I decided to change my Porsche's M1 0W40 since it's been nearly two years but 
only 1736 miles since the last change.

RLE


Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Peter Frederick
Jet fuel is NOT #2 diesel -- it's more like gasoline and doesn't have 
the proper lubricating qualities for use in diesel injection pumps.  
LIke gasoline, it will burn badly and knock and smoke quite a bit, and 
give you fairly low hp as well.


Stick to #2.

Jet engines won't run on #2, either, except for some of the really old 
ones (like J-75s), and even then are very hard to start.


Peter




Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Peter Frederick
Actually, diesel engines flew many, many hours in German aircraft 
during WWII.  Horrible to start in cold weather, and low on power, but 
they staggered into the air and droned on.


Main drawbacks have always been low hp/weight ratios, not efficiency.

Peter




Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread George Gregory
On 3/3/06 6:44 PM, Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Will a diesel engine run on a mixture of jet fuel and diesel or straight
 jet fuel?
 
 jet fuel is about 1.84  a gallon ...
 Take a look at FedEx fuel surcharges

Jet fuel is NOT 1.84 a gallon. Retail average in the US right now is in this
chart by a very reputable survey:
http://www.aviationresearch.com/Free/fuel_survey.asp

When I was flying the Mitsubishi Propjet, I was driving my 1987 300TD.  I
ran it on jet fuel in emergencies, and it ran just fine.



Jet fuel is basically super purified kerosene for the most part.


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Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread OK Don
Hey - it's Moose Friday - anything goes!

On 3/3/06, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'll be sure to mark OT in the future.

   Chris

 Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On 3/3/06, Christopher McCann  wrote:
   I was thinking up a story about Luther and how he will meet his dream  
  girl...It will all start in a McDonald's parking lot...the rest of the  
  plot, I'm still working on in my head.
 
   Chris

 Chris,

 While I'm sure that Luther is an upstanding and rather likeable
 fellow, I must question your devoting brain cycles to dreaming up
 plots involving Luther meeting the girl of his dreams. Certainly, you
 would be better off dreaming up plots to give a MB diesel to him, or
 to me, or another to yourself. At least that would hold some Benz
 related info. (Him driving a Benz in your dream to this fictional
 McDonald's does not count.)

 Ed

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Re: [MBZ] OkieQ 2006, ****UPDATE***

2006-03-04 Thread OK Don
Very true!  I have to get into home brewing - after I master bio-Diesel brewing!

On 3/3/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK Don wrote:
  True! But it might be too cold - tastes better warmer than freezing.

 Guiness is good stuff, but I try to drink local microbrews whenever I
 can.  Somehow the flavor of a beer seems to improve in direct proportion
 to how close I am to where it was brewed.  Some of the best beer I've
 ever had has been in brew pubs, where it was brewed twelve feet from
 where I was sitting.


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'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go



Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Marshall Booth

Peter Frederick wrote:
Jet fuel is NOT #2 diesel -- it's more like gasoline and doesn't have 
the proper lubricating qualities for use in diesel injection pumps.  
LIke gasoline, it will burn badly and knock and smoke quite a bit, and 
give you fairly low hp as well.


Stick to #2.

Jet engines won't run on #2, either, except for some of the really old 
ones (like J-75s), and even then are very hard to start.


It's better then #1 (kerosene) and Mercedes diesels (made in the 20th 
century) are certified to run fine on #1 OR #2 diesel. Many diesel 
engines with other types of injection pumps WON'T run well on jet fuel 
(or #1).


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi




Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Ed Booher
On 3/3/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My understanding is it's pretty similar to kerosene.  Somewhat lower
 BTU/gallon, and poor lubricity qualities compared to Diesel #2.  But
 it'll burn fine.  There's a reason pilots sometimes refer to jets as
 oil burners.

 Jet engines used in ground-based applications (crazy-ass hotrods,
 motorcycles, etc.) are often run on diesel #2.  Gas turbines are even
 more omnivorous than diesels.


Really, Shows that I wasn't paying attention then. Diesel in ground
based jets . learn something new all the time, eh?

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Peter Frederick

More likely a 190D in a W110 body.

JP-4 would definitely reduce the life on the IP, and it probably ran 
MUCH better on #2 -- JP-4 is pretty crappy fuel, being mostly what used 
to be called wide cut gasoline -- everything that distilled off above 
C20 or so.  Nasty fuel, it's as flammable and explosive as gasoline 
with the handling characteristics of diesel.  The only advantage to if 
was it was cheaper than Jet A since it required less distillation.  
Known to have been the direct cause of at least two very serious 
aircraft accidents (a Boeing 707 in Maryland brought down by a wing 
explosion due to lightening strike that caused a spark in the wing 
tanks and a hanger explosion that destroyed two DC-8s in Holland).


Thankfully, JP-4 is long gone.

Peter




Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Jim Cathey

Jet fuel is NOT #2 diesel -- it's more like gasoline and doesn't have
the proper lubricating qualities for use in diesel injection pumps.


IIRC Jet A is more like kerosene with a portion of gasoline thrown
in.  (Something that is awfully close to a mix blessed in the owner's
manual at one time.)  Also, the Bosch inline pumps that MB used are
probably the least sensitive to fuel lubricity of the pumps out there.
The guts are lubricated by engine oil, not fuel.  I recall that MB
touted their indirect-injection motors as being very tolerant of
weird fuels, as might be found in the backwoods of Africa.

If I had a free source of such fuel I'd use it in a heartbeat, while
shopping the U-Pull for a spare injection pump just in case.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Bill Gallagher
A friend of mine filled his tank with gasoline in Alabama several years 
ago got about 4 miles and the diesel engine went dead .he has no 
good words for the MB dealer: Felt the south was getting back at a yank 
again.
   Dealer took two days to do the job, he was forced to fly to 
Cleveland, then back to Alabama to get his 300D. expensive mistake


Bill
1981 300 TD


Peter Frederick wrote:
Jet fuel is NOT #2 diesel -- it's more like gasoline and doesn't have 
the proper lubricating qualities for use in diesel injection pumps.  
LIke gasoline, it will burn badly and knock and smoke quite a bit, and 
give you fairly low hp as well.


Stick to #2.

Jet engines won't run on #2, either, except for some of the really old 
ones (like J-75s), and even then are very hard to start.


Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Lights left on Buzzer

2006-03-04 Thread Jim Cathey

No buzzer when key left in lock, or lights left on,
usually means the time


The key-in buzzer is sounded (in part) by a switch that
is hooked to the steering column lock.  So, if your column
doesn't lock the buzzer won't work either.  Can happen if
things get sticky.  There are other reasons that switch
could fail to operate, too.

-- Jim




[MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread wilton strickland
Where can I get 3 or 4 lbs. of R-12 Freon?

Wilton



Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Jim Cathey

related info. (Him driving a Benz in your dream to this fictional
McDonald's does not count.)


Not even to score some free WVO for fuel?

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] MY CAR (and what is going on with Mobil 1)

2006-03-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

huh?  Invite her here.

Mitch Haley wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


oh lord, dont stir up luther.



Maybe we should tell him there's a mechanically minded 23 y-o Benz lover
on Mercedesshop? I hear she's cute too. 


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] MY CAR (and what is going on with Mobil 1)

2006-03-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

We will have a dating service at the okieQ

Christopher McCann wrote:


Don't worry Luther, you'll find a pretty German Benz chick some day too.
  
  CM :-)


Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Sappy stuff like this makes me 
sick...

~Considered it for about two years and that is how I met my wife! She  was 
~teaching at the parish school attached to the priory I was staying  at in 
~preparation for attending the seminary. Decided not to go and we  got married 
~a year or so later. Bliss, ahem, ever since! Actually, she  turned 33 
~yesterday. She is a wonderful wife and mother and hot to  boot. AND she is 
~happy she sold her 98 Sienna and bought an 87 300TD!  What a sweetie! 
~  
~  Chris

~
~LT Don  wrote:  You shoulda gone Priest, bro' but I am 
~sure the wife'd disagree.

~





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Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread Jim Cathey

Where can I get 3 or 4 lbs. of R-12 Freon?


NAPA, if you've got your certificate.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 190D rides again!

2006-03-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

have no clue

Rory wrote:


Do you think it's a good car?

On 3/3/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4616443065rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITrd=1

John Peterson wrote:



I'm so jealous of your 190 stick.  I'd do anything for one of those.  They
are so rare.  Baby that thing.
John Peterson
Kingston RI

- Original Message -
From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D rides again!





40-45mph? Good lord I don't even think about 5th until I'm above 55. In
actuality getting on the highway I don't get into 4th until around 50.

Supposedly this car has like year old injectors which I think is
possible, it sounds a bit more like a big rig diesel than either my 240D
or 300TD did. It did quiet down a bit with Mobil 1 in the crankcase.
I need to do return lines, in fact I put together a list on Rusty's site
today (BTW the new site looks great guys but Hursty, if you're gonna say
between you gotta have 2 numbers, between 30 Mercedes doesn't make
sense) and with all my needs and *wants* filled in its like $400...
Shoulda done that last month and gotten a specially good deal.

Economy continues to improve as the old crappy fuel gets more diluted. I
need to lay off the throttle some to get the economy way up. I started
into that today, unlike my 240D I don't need to floor it every time I take
off from a stop.

-Curt
'85 190D Dory 234kmi
'83 240D Hammie 254kmi

Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:37:55 -0500
From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D rides again!
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Curt Raymond wrote:



So once again I've picked up my 190D from the Indy. Some of you might


remember how it wouldn't shift into reverse. My Indy took the shifter
all apart, cleaned out 21 years of crud and replaced the shift bushings.
That took it from a super sloppy mystery shifter (you shift and hope
the gear you get is the one you wanted) to a normal good shifting car.
The reverse gate now works exactly as I'd expect it to, slide to the
right, push down, pull back. 5th is now very easy to get into as well
which is good I'm sure my fuel mileage was suffering by my not shifting
into it before.



ALSO now the shifter doesn't lean so far to the side in 1st and 5th


so I can hook the boot to the base without it pulling the base up,
nice.



I like driving this car so much I'm now thinking I should turn down


Fred's offer of a set of used seat bottoms and instead invest in brand
new seat bottoms and pads for that new seat feel.

Great to hear that you find the car so much fun to drive (I agree). Let
me caution you. DO NOT hurry to shift into 5th or even 4th when driving
at speeds less than 40-45 mph. Allow the engine to wind out to 3000+ in
each gear. That will NOT increase fuel consumption (may even improve it
slightly). I've been driving 190D 5 speeds (three of them with 2.0, 2.2
and 2.5 liter engines) for more than 12 years (and 250kmi) and have
tried driving them almost every way they can be driven (including
getting the gear box into 5th as soon as possible).

The most common causes of poor fuel economy (after fuel leaks) are poor
quality fuel (good fuel can improve fuel economy by 10-20%) and
improper
operating temp (a thermostat that's stuck even a little open can lower
fuel economy in city/stop-and-go driving by 30% or more). Allowing the
engine to lug can easily degrade economy by 10% or more. Shifting to a
higher gear too soon - before the engine will be at least at the low
end
of the torque plateau in the gear (that's in the low/mid 2000 rpm range
- the actual torque peak is at 2800, but it's very broad and almost
flat) results in the excessive fuel consumption! Improper injection
timing and poor injector condition (improper pressures or spray
pattern)
usually only have a minor effect of fuel economy until they are way off
and usually there is some other presenting problem (noise, poor idle,
smoke) before poor fuel economy is noticed.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] More good stuff

2006-03-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

WOW

Rusty Cullens wrote:


W126 300SD A/C Kit $295.00
 
New Compressor

Drier
Expansion Valve
Both Pressure Switches
 
W123 240D  300D from 1979 A/C Kit $295.00
 
New Compressor

Drier
Expansion Valve
Both Pressure Switches
 
W116/W123/W126 Diesel Cooling Kit $69.00
 
New Water Pump

Thermostat  Seal
Upper Radiator Hose
Lower Radiator Hose
 
W126 Body Rubber Seal Kit $375.00
 
Rear Window Seal

Trunk Seal
4 Door Seals
 
W123 Body Rubber Seal Kit $325.00
 
Front Windshield Seal

Rear Window Seal
4 Door Seals 
 
Rusty Cullens

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1-800-741-5252
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Hood release

2006-03-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

there is a link at the bottom of each message for used parts

ned kleinhenz wrote:


Is anybody parting out a 123?
I need just the final hood reliease lever.
You know, that part that sticks out through the grill, and you pull on it to
make the final unlatch of the hood. (or if you're dring in GB - to open the
bonnet).
Some young ham-fist broke the triangular part off that lever on Old Paint.
It's a real  PITA to open without that piece.

Thanks,
Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2  Hiyo Silver and Green Machine
'85 300D Old Paint
'80 300TD Myrtle
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Re: [MBZ] cheap '85 TD

2006-03-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

damn, wish it was closer

Luther Gulseth wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4618588555
How about that sticker in the rear window??



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Re: [MBZ] 190D

2006-03-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have a 84 190D auto that Im fixing to start driving(just putting the 
radio back in) that I picked up for $300.  Pretty nice looking car too.


Curt Raymond wrote:


Cries into beer...
   
  Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:23:00 -0500

From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 4, Issue 28
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mar 3, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


My 190D has cost me way more than I ever expected but I've  
strangely fallen in love with it... Wierd.


 -Curt




 If you don't mind disclosing. How much? I paid $1200 for my Euro  
with 62,000 mi from original owner. Needed a paint job and some this  
and that. All told $2,600 W/paint job and new tires, new Euro lights  
and a lot of small stuff and massaging. Now it just needs a couple  
more small items, less than $200 to make it perfect.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



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Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

it will run on straight jet fuel

Bill Gallagher wrote:

Will a diesel engine run on a mixture of jet fuel and diesel or straight 
jet fuel?


jet fuel is about 1.84  a gallon ...
Take a look at FedEx fuel surcharges

http://fedex.com/cgi-bin/fuelsurcharge.cgi?cc=uslanguage=english#jan0206

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread David Brodbeck
Ed Booher wrote:
 Really, Shows that I wasn't paying attention then. Diesel in ground
 based jets . learn something new all the time, eh?

Uh huh...Marine Turbine Techologies' jet-powered motorcycle runs on
diesel or kero.  It's been clocked at 227 mph, but no one knows what the
actual top speed is.  It uses a Rolls Royce Allison 250-series engine,
according to their website.

http://www.marineturbine.com/motorsports.asp



Re: [MBZ] 123 Power Steering filter

2006-03-04 Thread LT Don
I took out the top plate and the side ceramic piece. I wonder if the bottom
is still down there somewhere?

On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here's the  Ceramic version Power Steering fluid filter.Pics
 attachted.Exploded  unit views.

 Bob
 '83 240D 172,000
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Re: [MBZ] Project 240D in Oregon

2006-03-04 Thread kevin kraly
No, that would mean the crank sprocket has 20 teeth and the cam  IP have 
40.


Ah, that makes sense!  The crank turns twice the number of revolutions as 
the cam.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D project 





[MBZ] AUTOGAS LEGISLATION CHANGED IN WASHINGTON STATE

2006-03-04 Thread RELNGSON
AUTOGAS LEGISLATION CHANGED IN WASHINGTON STATE, THANKS TO AOPA

Pilot action has turned the tide on Washington State ethanol-in-gasoline
legislation. As originally drafted, both Senate and House versions
would have required all automobile gasoline sold in the state to be
blended with ethanol, making it unsafe and illegal to use in aircraft
flying with autogas supplemental type certificates (STCs). AOPA supported
local pilots who operate using the autogas STC by contacting bill sponsors
and the Washington governor's office. The association explained the
problems the bill would cause aircraft owners and gave committee staff
examples of alternate legislation. The bill has been amended in the House
to require only a small percentage of all gasoline sold in the state to
be blended with ethanol. Sources in the Senate report that the Senate
will concur with the House amendments and that Gov. Christine Gregoire
is likely to sign the bill as amended. Washington is not the only state
to look toward this more environmentally friendly blended fuel. AOPA, as
it has already done in Montana, Idaho, and Missouri, and has under way
in Iowa, will continue to advocate for the availability of motor gas
without ethanol for use in aircraft.


Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Peter Frederick

Marshall:

I know, I have one that won't run reliably on #2 (the  Bosch VE rotary 
pump) -- second rebuild in 60,000 miles coming up.


Jet A is much lighter than #2, and is lighter that #1 -- I've done the 
fingerprint of all of them searching for the identity of some stuff 
found floating after a flood.  Never did find out what it was (I didn't 
check lighter fluid, probably should have).  Jet A is heavier than 
gasoline (the very light volatiles are missing), but the highest 
molecular weight stuff, as I remember, is about C15, not C32 as it 
would be in #2 diesel.


I wouldn't run it in a modern IP.

Peter




Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread PONDERSOA
you are going to need an r 12 license i have one but it is still easy to  get 
freon on ebay 
 let me know if i can help 
 also there are very good alternatives now to r 12 that seem to work  well 
 mike collins 
1985 500 sec 
phila 


Re: [MBZ] 123 Hood release

2006-03-04 Thread ned kleinhenz
It's like $8 new.  Come on.



They're cheap enough, why not order one from Rusty?  Listed for $8.77 on
Rusty's website.



Err… Sorry.  I didn't expect to find such a body part from Rusty.  And I
didn't even think about going to the dealer.  Last part I bought from a
dealer for Old Paint, was one of those pins that holds the front brake pads
in place. That stupid pin cost $20+.

Thanks for the info. I'll just order a new one.



Ned Kleinhenz**


Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Marshall Booth wrote:
 Mercedes diesels run rather well on Jet fuel. They run better on #2
 diesel though. If you pay the federal and state road tax, the price of
 the jet fuel will be quite similar to diesel.

Unless, of course, you get JP4 that was drained from a plane during
repairs.



Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Luther Gulseth
I'm probably not her type.  That's how it ends with every woman that is  
quality, especially the best ones.


On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:36:20 -0600, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


oh lord, dont stir up luther.


Maybe we should tell him there's a mechanically minded 23 y-o Benz lover
on Mercedesshop? I hear she's cute too.

Mitch.





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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work



Re: [MBZ] 1996 300D on E-bay

2006-03-04 Thread Desert Rat
Peter, look closely at the drivers door bottom inside front
edge...looks like that might be rust which this model is known to have
serious problems with. And also applies to some front suspension
members as well.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...lusting after MB's.

On 3/3/06, Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I realy like this:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-1996-E300D-Diesel-Low-Miles-Records-Extra-Clean-NO-RESERVE-40-Pics_W0QQitemZ4616601261QQcategoryZ6335QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 Maybe I should stop looking


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 1987 300SDL  239KMI
 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  190Kmi
 1954 Mertopolitan Convertable, Hanger Queen
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread Mitch Haley
wilton strickland wrote:
 
 Where can I get 3 or 4 lbs. of R-12 Freon?

Why so much?
What's the capacity of your W140?

I think my stockpile is down to six 14oz cans.



Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Luther Gulseth
I do know the owner of 12 area McD's and have the possibility of in the  
future collecting their WVO.


On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:08:57 -0600, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


related info. (Him driving a Benz in your dream to this fictional
McDonald's does not count.)


Not even to score some free WVO for fuel?

-- Jim






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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work



Re: [MBZ] MY CAR (and what is going on with Mobil 1)

2006-03-04 Thread Luther Gulseth

Uh.

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:13:31 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



We will have a dating service at the okieQ

Christopher McCann wrote:


Don't worry Luther, you'll find a pretty German Benz chick some day too.

  CM :-)

Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Sappy stuff like this makes  
me sick...


~Considered it for about two years and that is how I met my wife! She   
was
~teaching at the parish school attached to the priory I was staying  at  
in
~preparation for attending the seminary. Decided not to go and we  got  
married

~a year or so later. Bliss, ahem, ever since! Actually, she  turned 33
~yesterday. She is a wonderful wife and mother and hot to  boot. AND  
she is

~happy she sold her 98 Sienna and bought an 87 300TD!  What a sweetie!
~
~  Chris
~
~LT Don  wrote:  You shoulda gone Priest, bro' but I am
~sure the wife'd disagree.
~









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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work



Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Luther Gulseth wrote:
 
 I do know the owner of 12 area McD's and have the possibility of in the
 future collecting their WVO.

Is it liquid or solid at room temps?



Re: [MBZ] MY CAR (and what is going on with Mobil 1)

2006-03-04 Thread Luther Gulseth
Ugh, now you have my mind wandering.  It's thinking of signing up for  
Mercedesshop.


On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 08:36:20 -0600, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


oh lord, dont stir up luther.


Maybe we should tell him there's a mechanically minded 23 y-o Benz lover
on Mercedesshop? I hear she's cute too.

Mitch.





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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work



Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Luther Gulseth
Haven't even gotten that far.  I have 1 source right now, and over 100  
gallons stored up.  I'd much rather use Chineese/peanut anyway.


On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:03:29 -0600, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Luther Gulseth wrote:


I do know the owner of 12 area McD's and have the possibility of in the
future collecting their WVO.


Is it liquid or solid at room temps?





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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work



Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Bill Gallagher

JP4 is very, very old, IIR,  JP8 is currently produced .

Bill
1981 300 TD


Mitch Haley wrote:

Marshall Booth wrote:
  

Mercedes diesels run rather well on Jet fuel. They run better on #2
diesel though. If you pay the federal and state road tax, the price of
the jet fuel will be quite similar to diesel.



Unless, of course, you get JP4 that was drained from a plane during
repairs.

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[MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread W. Lasher
Au Contraire, Mr.  Booher and Mr. Cathey.  Diesels are back in aviation.
There are several STC’s for Diesels in single engine aircraft (maybe multi’s
too, but I haven’t read about it yet), and it looks as if will take off (no
pun intended). You’ll be seeing more and more on this in the aviation game.
And as far as Jet engines go the French engines in the old Alouette II
helicopters would fly on just about anything. I have used bunker fuel out of
the boat I was on and Mogas (regular gas) was restricted to 50 hours and you
could burn Diesel everyday of the week.

Walt Lasher
Seattle
W140 S350


Re: [MBZ] Diesel fuel and Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Bill Gallagher

Do you recall the material used to make the engine block???
Audi made a diesel engine at the famous 24 Hours of Le Mans. The new 
Audi R10 is powered by a completely new 5.5-litre, twelve-cylinder 
bi-turbo TDI engine which is extremely economical and quiet. Believe it 
or not made Made from aluminum If made with a lot of AL, watch it melt 
away because of the low melting point of AL .


http://www.audi.com/audi/com/en1/experience/motorsport/r10.html
Shows a good tech point of view .

Bill
1981 300 TD


W. Lasher wrote:

Au Contraire, Mr.  Booher and Mr. Cathey.  Diesels are back in aviation.
There are several STC’s for Diesels in single engine aircraft (maybe multi’s
too, but I haven’t read about it yet), and it looks as if will take off (no
pun intended). You’ll be seeing more and more on this in the aviation game.
And as far as Jet engines go the French engines in the old Alouette II
helicopters would fly on just about anything. I have used bunker fuel out of
the boat I was on and Mogas (regular gas) was restricted to 50 hours and you
could burn Diesel everyday of the week.

Walt Lasher
Seattle
W140 S350
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Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Bob Rentfro

Generally, their oil is pretty well shot by the time they dump it.

Bob Rentfro

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Luther Gulseth wrote:


I do know the owner of 12 area McD's and have the possibility of in the
future collecting their WVO.


Is it liquid or solid at room temps?

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Re: [MBZ] 123 coupe parts

2006-03-04 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 3, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:


Wow, $1200?  Wonder what PPG would charge for the same window.
Wish I could find a parts car coupe close to me.



I'm guessing more than $1200 unless they are no longer made.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] 190D

2006-03-04 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 3, 2006, at 5:18 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Cries into beer...



	I got lucky finding this diamond in the rough. I would have gladly  
paid 2,000 or more due to low mileage and zero rust.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Okie Q

2006-03-04 Thread Russ Williams


743 miles from Gonzales, La.

Russ W. 


On 3/3/06, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


484 miles away for me.

   



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Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 3, 2006, at 11:18 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote:

I'm probably not her type.  That's how it ends with every woman  
that is

quality, especially the best ones.



Lower your standards.

 What's your description of a quality woman?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Jim Cathey

Is it liquid or solid at room temps?


Heat it!

-- Jim




[MBZ] OT: More genset musings

2006-03-04 Thread Jim Cathey

So, the current wet dream involves one of MB's smaller,
efficient diesels coupled through a slushbox to the 1200
RPM generator.  The usual generator is optimized for
heavy loads and runs at a constant RPM, and is usually
directly coupled.  But for our home there is a wide
range of power draw.  It would be nice to let this
thing tick over all night at a near idle with little
load on it, and only have it roar to life (and shift
gears) under load.  I'd be paying for my overnight
efficiency by its being less efficient (due to the
slushbox) at higher loads.  I was thinking that letting
the diesel get as close to idle as it could would be
best, as I expect that it would spend the bulk of its
time at low load.

Couple this desire with the necessity that this be
somewhat cheap/surplus in nature, and that probably
limits the supply to be nothing newer than a 190D.
Anybody think this idea is worth a crap?  I don't
think there are any overdrive automatics that will
mate to a 60X, so that means that the fast idle is
1200 RPM using the 201's normal tranny, but that the
motor can kick up to 2400 or so in 2 or thereabouts,
at its discretion.  The frequency regulator would be
hooked up just like the cruise control, and the
tranny would take care of its own shift points.
Under light load the throttle would be eased off
and the tranny should upshift, dropping the engine
RPM to more quiet, if not more efficient, territory.

Our neighbor solves this power problem with a battery
bank and a big inverter, but I hate batteries.  An
engine and a tank of fuel have much longer shelf
and service lives.

If I can put this together with the MD3 generator end,
I can sell the big Kohler, for a tidy sum as I understand
it.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Luther Gulseth
not worth it.  As BioD it'll still gel quicker than oil that is liquid at  
room temp.


On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 02:00:14 -0600, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Is it liquid or solid at room temps?


Heat it!

-- Jim






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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work



Re: [MBZ] OT: More genset musings

2006-03-04 Thread dave walton
I am curious what would be the best engine for this application? Probably
want to avoid aluminum heads. Not having to futz with adjusting valve
clearances would be a plus. An engine designed to run with a turbo is
probably a bit more heavy duty than one not.  200 amp service translates to
48Kw so 90Hp would be plenty. Any other criteria?

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

On 3/4/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, the current wet dream involves one of MB's smaller,
 efficient diesels coupled through a slushbox to the 1200
 RPM generator.  The usual generator is optimized for
 heavy loads and runs at a constant RPM, and is usually
 directly coupled.  But for our home there is a wide
 range of power draw.  It would be nice to let this
 thing tick over all night at a near idle with little
 load on it, and only have it roar to life (and shift
 gears) under load.  I'd be paying for my overnight
 efficiency by its being less efficient (due to the
 slushbox) at higher loads.  I was thinking that letting
 the diesel get as close to idle as it could would be
 best, as I expect that it would spend the bulk of its
 time at low load.

 Couple this desire with the necessity that this be
 somewhat cheap/surplus in nature, and that probably
 limits the supply to be nothing newer than a 190D.
 Anybody think this idea is worth a crap?  I don't
 think there are any overdrive automatics that will
 mate to a 60X, so that means that the fast idle is
 1200 RPM using the 201's normal tranny, but that the
 motor can kick up to 2400 or so in 2 or thereabouts,
 at its discretion.  The frequency regulator would be
 hooked up just like the cruise control, and the
 tranny would take care of its own shift points.
 Under light load the throttle would be eased off
 and the tranny should upshift, dropping the engine
 RPM to more quiet, if not more efficient, territory.

 Our neighbor solves this power problem with a battery
 bank and a big inverter, but I hate batteries.  An
 engine and a tank of fuel have much longer shelf
 and service lives.

 If I can put this together with the MD3 generator end,
 I can sell the big Kohler, for a tidy sum as I understand
 it.

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] luther and love

2006-03-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
good luck on that.  They wont let you get it around here, something 
about legal issues or something.


Luther Gulseth wrote:

I do know the owner of 12 area McD's and have the possibility of in the  
future collecting their WVO.


On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:08:57 -0600, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



related info. (Him driving a Benz in your dream to this fictional
McDonald's does not count.)


Not even to score some free WVO for fuel?

-- Jim









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Re: [MBZ] Door seals

2006-03-04 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 06:46:38 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Anybody able to forward me that pdf?


Sure


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Hood release

2006-03-04 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
It's about a $4.00 part-I think 7.00 from the stealer. I replaced mine.
But the nylon fishing line loop worked well (20lb test.)
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ned kleinhenz
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] 123 Hood release


Is anybody parting out a 123?
I need just the final hood reliease lever.
You know, that part that sticks out through the grill, and you pull on
it to make the final unlatch of the hood. (or if you're dring in GB - to
open the bonnet). Some young ham-fist broke the triangular part off that
lever on Old Paint. It's a real  PITA to open without that piece.

Thanks,
Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2  Hiyo Silver and Green Machine
'85 300D Old Paint
'80 300TD Myrtle
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Re: [MBZ] MY CAR (and what is going on with Mobil 1)

2006-03-04 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
My 240D starts at 5F with Mobil 1, new glow plugs and starter, 5 year
old Interstate battery with new alternator. I just double glow.

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MY CAR (and what is going on with Mobil 1)


Similar to my thinking when I hear the news report bitterly cold for
Boston where it'll be 20. Its always at least 10 degrees colder where I
live 60 miles west. For me bitterly cold starts at 0F.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 01:31:27 -0500
From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MY CAR (and what is going on with Mobil 1)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed


On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:

 I used to start my 1977 300D without a heater. My record is 14F above 
 freezing with conventional 15W40 diesel oil. My secret? I used to
 keep a
 battery charger on the battery. If choosing between the two, a warm  
 battery
 is more valuable than a warm block. The glow plugs will take the  
 same hit
 from the battery regardless and extreme cold saps most of your  
 battery's
 energy.

 Thanks,


 Bring your charger and dino oil up here where you can really give it  
a run for your money. 14F, childs play!! That's about where I switch  
to long sleeves. Make sure you top off exit 15 or further North so  
you get enough kero into her.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


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Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD

2006-03-04 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Michael,
As afar as I know is still for sale-he's been trying for a couple
years-started at 3500.
I think you saw most of what we know- 3 of us NE listers have looked at
it or drove it. Somewhere on one of my half dead computers, I have
pictures  that John Peterson took. E-mail me off list and I'll end them
to you  and the guy's phone number. He doesn't really know anything
about  the car-he is selling it for his wife. Did you see Curt Ryamond's
posts as well as mine about what we found? I really wanted the car-but
not practical for me as I don't have a garage, time to work on it, etc.
What are you driving now? 
Dwight

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Hall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:08 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD


So its still for sale?  Can I get some more info?

Mike

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:21 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD

Hey Curt,
Well he plans to put it back on the market this Spring-I will watch 
post. He seems wedded to the price-or his wife does. My guess is that 
1200 would take it before he gets it out of the barn this spring. Also 
needs brake work-

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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Hi Dwight welcome back.

  I also looked at that CD but didn't drive it. Based on what Dwight 
says and I saw for $800 it'd be a pretty good car, for any more the 
deal declines rapidly. I think the light blue is one of the nicest 
colors I've ever seen on a car, thats what my wagon was and I was 
sorely tempted with that CD.

  -Curt

  Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:06:51 -0500
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Around here in New England 300CD's do seem to be rare. Fellow lister 
John Peterson and I found one-a good 15 foot car-but had window seal 
issues, trany had shift and slip issues-some of the slip may hve been 
due to dragging brakes. Could be had for about 1500. It is stored in a 
heated garage. Seems to be not quite pristine ecnogh for a collector 
and too many mechanical questions to be a cheap dialy driver. But it is

a sweet looking car-baby blue,no visible rust from 10'. Could be a good
project though for the right owner. Nice to be back on the list. Dwight
Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-03-04 Thread Bruce Lulfs

Well Craig did it to me! After looking at his link I had to get a Lister and
a 12 KW gen. Head! It should be at the dock to pick up Tuesday. 
Now the work will start, I need to put down a slab put up a shed wire things
up take the lister apart and clean up make the mounting for it and the gen.
Head. A lot of work but should be worth it in the time to come! I will be
running it on WVO. I will also put my Biodiesel making things in the same
shed. I have not seen a lot of guys into making biodiesel in the Toledo Ohio
area. I will be running it in my 1985 300SD as well as my 1993 Dodge

Bruce


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieseltolarea/


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 http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/lister.html

This was posted a couple of months ago, but it's nice to look at again.


Craig

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[MBZ] Light Bulbs for the house online?

2006-03-04 Thread MICHAEL ESH
Does anyone know a good place to order Light Bulbs for the house online?
Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [MBZ] online tire dealers

2006-03-04 Thread Levi Smith
Yeah, I always buy my tires from tirerack.  I get a kick when I order tires
for my 97 Subaru that tops out around 115mph or so without a LONG place to
hold the pedal.  They call and tel me they don't recommend tires below H
speed rating for my car (which I already know is 130mph), I forget the
rating on the ones I'd ordered, so I asked him what the speed was and he
says 118MPH.  Umm, yeah I think that'll be OK  (:

As for name brand, yeah I'm a believe in that.  I had an issue before with
some no name brand, and my 83' 300D has some sam's club specials on there
that came with the car and they have a bulge in the sidewall of one of the
tires.  So far no problems, but it's a bit unnerving.  I'm not against cheap
tires, but I prefer a brand name I've heard of...

Levi

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset

2006-03-04 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 08:18:09 -0500 Bruce Lulfs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 Well Craig did it to me! After looking at his link I had to get a Lister
 and a 12 KW gen. Head!

Oh, boy! Now I've done it!

Actually, you have Rory to thank.


 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieseltolarea/

On one post, you say, I have not started to make bio this year yet.
Most of the oil is still solid. I have talked to a few people that would
love to try out the glycerin on there cement driveways.

What is the connection of glycerin to driveways?



Craig




[MBZ] Jet Fuel

2006-03-04 Thread Frederick Moir
Hi, All.
  You lot are making me feel ancient. JP4 was the latest thing when I was in 
the R.A.F.
  We had AvGas (100+ octane aviation fuel) AvCat, AvTag, AvTur and other NATO 
stuff, all long gone by now. What comes next, a space ship with a deck full of 
peanut plants to fuel an alternate fuel space drive?
  Sorry I'm a day late, got run over by a soy eating moose!
  Fred Moir
  Lynn MA
  #2 fueled Klatta Klatta.


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 Well Craig did it to me! After looking at his link I had to get a 
 Lister and
 a 12 KW gen. Head! It should be at the dock to pick up Tuesday.

Congratulations!  Those things are just too cool...

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] OT: More genset musings

2006-03-04 Thread Jim Cathey
I am curious what would be the best engine for this application? 
Probably

want to avoid aluminum heads. Not having to futz with adjusting valve


I have nothing against aluminum heads, especially for this.


clearances would be a plus. An engine designed to run with a turbo is
probably a bit more heavy duty than one not.  200 amp service 
translates to

48Kw so 90Hp would be plenty. Any other criteria?


Efficiency is the big one.  That's why the older iron-headed ones
are out, at least in my perfect world.

Except for a few small details the leftover parts from the 190D
tranny swap project would be perfect.  Details like the donor 2.2
threw a rod and the PO stripped many of the interesting parts
off of it.  Or that the slushbox has stripped the pump drive
from the TC.  I don't think even I will be able to do much
with what I've got left!

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] MY CAR (and what is going on with Mobil 1)

2006-03-04 Thread l02turner
Dwight wrote:My 240D starts at 5F with Mobil 1, new glow plugs and 
starter[SNIP].


I hope your '79 240D has the Fast Glow plug kit - you probably wouldn't need 
to double cycle it - you'll love it if you don't already have it!  Rusty has 
them for less than $100 last I checked -


It made a huge difference in my 78!

Sincerely,
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My 240D starts at 5F with Mobil 1, new glow plugs and starter, 5 year
old Interstate battery with new alternator. I just double glow.

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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Similar to my thinking when I hear the news report bitterly cold for
Boston where it'll be 20. Its always at least 10 degrees colder where I
live 60 miles west. For me bitterly cold starts at 0F.

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 01:31:27 -0500
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On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:


I used to start my 1977 300D without a heater. My record is 14F above
freezing with conventional 15W40 diesel oil. My secret? I used to
keep a
battery charger on the battery. If choosing between the two, a warm
battery
is more valuable than a warm block. The glow plugs will take the
same hit
from the battery regardless and extreme cold saps most of your
battery's
energy.

Thanks,



Bring your charger and dino oil up here where you can really give it
a run for your money. 14F, childs play!! That's about where I switch
to long sleeves. Make sure you top off exit 15 or further North so
you get enough kero into her.

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[MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread wilton strickland
Otherwise showroom 87 300D (124) needs Freon.  Refridg tech can't find
locally small quantity R-12 needed.  Plenty 30 lb. tnks available @ $800.
Looking for 3 or 4 lbs.  Why so much?  Hopefully, a little resrerve.
May need to go to 134A.  Any tips?

Wilton




[MBZ] OT - JP-4

2006-03-04 Thread wilton strickland
'Wish I had a dollar for each lb. of JP-4 I consumed in 5K hrs. in B-52's.
Even a nickel wouldn't be bad, either.  'Never used it in car, though.
'Knew a maint. officer who did at times.

Wilton




Re: [MBZ] I found an 82 300CD

2006-03-04 Thread B Dike
Kevin,
  
  The 300CD could be a very good deal.  Most oil leaks are easy to fix. 
  
  Also,  I need your head...cylinder head from the 220D, that is, for my 220D 
project.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Bruce

kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I'm thinking of checking this one out.  
Here's the link to it on CL.

http://portland.craigslist.org/car/138182748.html


This is what the guy wrote in his response.

I have had this car for about 2 years.  It is an automatic.  Has always been 
on the road.  The only major work I had done to it was to have the 
steering/ignition
lock replaced when it broke.  Brakes are ok, transmission has a little 
slipping but hasn't been a problem, no leaking..  Went to Yakama last summer 
and
it took the mountains OK.  Pretty strong engine.  Mileage has always been 
around 15-20, usually closer to 20.

Interior is not leather, I've got covers for the front seats, back seats 
don't need them.  Most gages work.  Vacuum system is not hooked up.  Great 
heater,
air conditioner not filled.

THE PROBLEM:  Has suddenly sprung an oil leak.  Always used a little oil but 
this is something else.  Not sure where it originates.  Uses about a quart
of oil every 40 miles and looses oil when parked.  My guy says he can't tell 
where it is coming from without getting into it.  I don't have the time, 
talent
or cash to get into it right now.  My guy figures seals.

I know that it is a rare turbio diesel 300CD, but is this one that could be 
somethin', or a junkyard fugitive?

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1973 220D parting out 


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 Well Craig did it to me! After looking at his link I had to get a Lister
 and a 12 KW gen. Head!

Oh, boy! Now I've done it!

Actually, you have Rory to thank.


 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieseltolarea/

On one post, you say, I have not started to make bio this year yet.
Most of the oil is still solid. I have talked to a few people that would
love to try out the glycerin on there cement driveways.

What is the connection of glycerin to driveways?



Craig

Well it seems that If you driveway is made out of concrete it is a good
cleaner to get most of the oil off of it!

Bruce
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[MBZ] Unique odometer reading

2006-03-04 Thread Brian Chase

Actually the picture will probably be stripped, won't it?

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Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread l02turner

you asked:30 lb. tnks available @ $800.

Looking for 3 or 4 lbs.  Why so much?


The easy answer? - Taxes.  The US Gov raised taxes so high to drive R12 out 
of business.  It was being made world wide and is still being smuggled 
across the border - the penalties are less than smuggling drugs and the 
profit is still pretty high.  Rememeber when it used to sell for $1 a can at 
FLAPS?  The only thing that changed was the tax.


BTW, a friend used to work at NASA - he said their wind tunnels used to leak 
R12 to the tune of hundred of *tons* per year!  Naturally they had to 
convert as well -- 

R12 is available in smaller quantites on eBay - naturally.  Last I checked 
it was $30-$80/1 # can.

HTH's

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Subject: [MBZ] R-12 Freon



Otherwise showroom 87 300D (124) needs Freon.  Refridg tech can't find
locally small quantity R-12 needed.  Plenty 30 lb. tnks available @ $800.
Looking for 3 or 4 lbs.  Why so much?  Hopefully, a little resrerve.
May need to go to 134A.  Any tips?

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread l02turner

Or, you could convert it to R134a.

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Otherwise showroom 87 300D (124) needs Freon.  Refridg tech can't find
locally small quantity R-12 needed.  Plenty 30 lb. tnks available @ $800.
Looking for 3 or 4 lbs.  Why so much?  Hopefully, a little resrerve.
May need to go to 134A.  Any tips?

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] OT: More genset musings

2006-03-04 Thread dave walton
I always figured aluminum heads were an imperfect solution because they
expand differently than the rest of the engine when heated and are mainly
used to save weight. Am I wrong?

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

On 3/4/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I am curious what would be the best engine for this application?
  Probably
  want to avoid aluminum heads. Not having to futz with adjusting valve

 I have nothing against aluminum heads, especially for this.

  clearances would be a plus. An engine designed to run with a turbo is
  probably a bit more heavy duty than one not.  200 amp service
  translates to
  48Kw so 90Hp would be plenty. Any other criteria?

 Efficiency is the big one.  That's why the older iron-headed ones
 are out, at least in my perfect world.

 Except for a few small details the leftover parts from the 190D
 tranny swap project would be perfect.  Details like the donor 2.2
 threw a rod and the PO stripped many of the interesting parts
 off of it.  Or that the slushbox has stripped the pump drive
 from the TC.  I don't think even I will be able to do much
 with what I've got left!

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread OK Don
Or, you could use Hotshot, Duracool, etc. 

On 3/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Or, you could convert it to R134a.


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Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:34:37 -0500 wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 May need to go to 134A.  Any tips?

Avoid the R134A. Use a substitute for R12.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Unique odometer reading

2006-03-04 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 10:45:55 -0700 Brian Chase
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually the picture will probably be stripped, won't it?

When you attach a picture on this list, it isn't sent to everyone on the
list, but there is a link added that allows others to download it if they
want.

So, go ahead and attach the picture.


Craig



[MBZ] OT: Aero Diesels

2006-03-04 Thread Gerald R. Flintrop
For those interested, Aero-Diesel info may be found at:

http://www.zoche.de/index.html

Jerry Flintrop





Re: [MBZ] OT: More genset musings

2006-03-04 Thread OK Don
So, if you ran the engine at 2500 pm, it would = 48.75 mph., within
the cruise control range.
Couple the gen head to the axel - get the engine into it's
torque/power range. Yes, the numbers above are wrong for driving a
1200 rpm gen head.
Where can we get the torque/hp/rpm curves for different MB Diesel engines?

 If you're using the entire engine and tranny, you could use the cruise
 control to do the work for you. The only problem might be that the cruise
 control won't lock in at such a low speed. Guesstimiating:

   1200 RPM at engine / 3.5 differential ratio = 343 RPM at wheels

   23 diameter tires = 6 foot circumference

   343 RPM x 6 feet/rev = 2058 feet/minute = 23.4 MPH

 IIRC, the cruise control won't engage below 25 - 30 MPH.


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'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
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[MBZ] Replacing Antenna Mast

2006-03-04 Thread l02turner

Hi Gang!
   Thought I'd do something simple, bzzt!  wrong!  I raised the mast by 
turning the radio on - loosened the securing nut and tried to pull the mast 
out.  It came up another section (which wasn't being raised automatically) 
but then it stopped, clunk.  I pulled pretty hard but it didn't budge.  The 
replacement is a Hirschmann but the old was is not marked with the typical H 
on the antenna tip.  Also, the existing antenna tip is black rubber and the 
new one is a crome button.


Any ideas?  The instructions that came with the new mast (from Rusty) are 
pretty clear - and I'm sure I followed them exactly - but the mast did *not* 
want to come out.


TIA!

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon

2006-03-04 Thread Dave M.
Wilton,

First, I think you are doing the wise thing by sticking with R-12...
I'm a strong proponent of fixig  recharging R-12 systems, and NEVER
converting to R-134a (or anything else that won't work with mineral
oil.)

Anyway, what I would recommend is getting your EPA certification
online, cost is under $20. Then buy a few cans of R-12 off eBay, or
wherever else you can find it cheap. Pretty sure 12oz cans are still
selling for ~$20/ea on eBay. I think it will take a bit over 3 cans to
fully charge an empty W124 system. Maybe 3 cans would be enough to
give you 90%+ charge so you don't need to tap into a fourth, lol.

You can find 30lb tanks for $400-$500, but there's always a risk that
it's not virgin R-12. I'd be really careful buying one of these unless
it's a local seller where you can personally inspect the tank before
buying, to make sure the factory seal is intact.

Worst case, convert to an alternative refrigerant that works with
mineral oil, like AutoFrost. The drawback to these is you can't top
off... not a big deal if your system is leak free.

:-)

-Dave M.

 --
 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:34:37 -0500
 From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [MBZ] R-12 Freon


 Otherwise showroom 87 300D (124) needs Freon.  Refridg tech can't find
 locally small quantity R-12 needed.  Plenty 30 lb. tnks available @ $800.
 Looking for 3 or 4 lbs.  Why so much?  Hopefully, a little resrerve.
 May need to go to 134A.  Any tips?

 Wilton



Re: [MBZ] OT: More genset musings

2006-03-04 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:38:34 -0600 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  If you're using the entire engine and tranny, you could use the cruise
  control to do the work for you. The only problem might be that the
  cruise control won't lock in at such a low speed. Guesstimiating:
 
1200 RPM at engine / 3.5 differential ratio = 343 RPM at wheels
 
23 diameter tires = 6 foot circumference
 
343 RPM x 6 feet/rev = 2058 feet/minute = 23.4 MPH
 
  IIRC, the cruise control won't engage below 25 - 30 MPH.
 
 So, if you ran the engine at 2500 pm, it would = 48.75 mph., within
 the cruise control range.
 Couple the gen head to the axel - get the engine into it's
 torque/power range. Yes, the numbers above are wrong for driving a
 1200 rpm gen head.
 Where can we get the torque/hp/rpm curves for different MB Diesel
 engines?

Aye, there's the rub!

I did a lot of guesstimating when I built my propane-fired Chevette
generator. The available information suggested that it might have a little
difficulty belt driving my 4 kWe generator at 7000' elevation. (For lack
of better information, I had guessed a linear drop of torque from the
maximum torque RPM.) Such was not the case. I just had to crank up the
idle screw a little and it had no problems running at 1700 RPM. When I set
it up again, I really should get a larger pulley for the engine shaft so
the engine can run even slower. Or maybe mount the larger generator I have
(120/240 single-phase at 104.5 A or 120/208 3-phase at 104.5 A per phase).


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Unique odometer reading

2006-03-04 Thread Brian Chase
Thanks, Craig. Actually I did attatch the picture, but it was automatically 
put on hold by kalebministrator's system because the picture size was too 
big. He must be out hunting for parts, so I'll make a smaller version and 
retry.


Brian


From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unique odometer reading
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:59:13 -0700

On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 10:45:55 -0700 Brian Chase
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Actually the picture will probably be stripped, won't it?

When you attach a picture on this list, it isn't sent to everyone on the
list, but there is a link added that allows others to download it if they
want.

So, go ahead and attach the picture.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing Antenna Mast

2006-03-04 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Sounds like what happened to me-I was trying to put a Rusty Hirschman
mast into a made in china replacement motor. I had to take the motor
case apart and then finally went manual.
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] Replacing Antenna Mast


Hi Gang!
Thought I'd do something simple, bzzt!  wrong!  I raised the
mast by 
turning the radio on - loosened the securing nut and tried to pull the
mast 
out.  It came up another section (which wasn't being raised
automatically) 
but then it stopped, clunk.  I pulled pretty hard but it didn't budge.
The 
replacement is a Hirschmann but the old was is not marked with the
typical H 
on the antenna tip.  Also, the existing antenna tip is black rubber and
the 
new one is a crome button.

Any ideas?  The instructions that came with the new mast (from Rusty)
are 
pretty clear - and I'm sure I followed them exactly - but the mast did
*not* 
want to come out.

TIA!

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
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Re: [MBZ] Replacing Antenna Mast

2006-03-04 Thread Marshall Booth

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Gang!
Thought I'd do something simple, bzzt!  wrong!  I raised the mast by 
turning the radio on - loosened the securing nut and tried to pull the mast 
out.  It came up another section (which wasn't being raised automatically) 
but then it stopped, clunk.  I pulled pretty hard but it didn't budge.  The 
replacement is a Hirschmann but the old was is not marked with the typical H 
on the antenna tip.  Also, the existing antenna tip is black rubber and the 
new one is a crome button.


Any ideas?  The instructions that came with the new mast (from Rusty) are 
pretty clear - and I'm sure I followed them exactly - but the mast did *not* 
want to come out.


The later ('90+ I think) black masts are NOT interchangeable with the 
earlier silver masts that are in mt '87 and earlier 124/201s. I have 
had NO experience with the later masts..


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
turbo 237kmi




Re: [MBZ] Replacing Antenna Mast

2006-03-04 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 4, 2006, at 2:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Gang!
Thought I'd do something simple, bzzt!  wrong!  I raised  
the mast by
turning the radio on - loosened the securing nut and tried to pull  
the mast
out.  It came up another section (which wasn't being raised  
automatically)
but then it stopped, clunk.  I pulled pretty hard but it didn't  
budge.  The
replacement is a Hirschmann but the old was is not marked with the  
typical H
on the antenna tip.  Also, the existing antenna tip is black rubber  
and the

new one is a crome button.

Any ideas?  The instructions that came with the new mast (from  
Rusty) are
pretty clear - and I'm sure I followed them exactly - but the mast  
did *not*

want to come out.

TIA!

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)



	Loosen the nut first, run it up and before it stops get out there  
and catch it before it hits the side of the car pulling gently to  
remove the tail completely.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



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