[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[greenteadrinkers]

Grew up in Reston during the '70s and '80s, my 7th/8th grade riding buddy, 
relentlessly toured the W on our mid-80s racing bikes. A fond memory was 
the trailside sign at Ashburn Station that stated the town population of 
2500! Might have to add a few zeros to that number now.

Scott

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:

> Nick, Great ride report and pictures!   Its been awhile since I've been on 
> any of those segments...and now I want to plan a return trip!
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:32:14 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>
>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>
>> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
>> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>>
>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
>> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>
>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>
>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home 
>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>>
>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>
>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
>> an ecosystem living on its back:
>>
>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>
>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
>> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>
>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>
>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>
>> Nick A.
>> Falls Church VA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - 135 hub

[greenteadrinkers]

Just to add another option, Analog sells both road and touring hubs by a 
company called Bithex. I have the Bithex touring rear hub with Cliffhangers 
on my Sam, no mechanical issues, nice hub. Have not tried to service it, 
need to learn those skills. Recently, I ordered the road version of the 
Bithex hubs. Planning to have a lightweight wheelset built for my Sam with 
the rims Crust makes. The rear Bithex road seems strong enough for anything 
I could throw at it. Analog doesn't list the weight for each hub.
https://analogcycles.com/products/bitex-touring-hubs?variant=42456805474536

All that said the V/O rear hub is on sale for $75!

Scott

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 8:39:24 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can speak to the VO hub quality. I have the silver VO 135 hub on the 
> wheelset I run on my Appa, on the Gus before that. It’s been a great hub. 
> Lots of miles and it still looks and feels great. Can’t speak for 
> serviceability yet, but it seems like any ordinary Shimano hub in that 
> regard.
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 8:12 AM MCT  wrote:
>
>> Velo Orange has its rim brake hub on sale in silver.  The hub can he 
>> 135mm or 130mm depending what endcap you use.
>>
>>
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/specials/products/rear-cassette-hub-silver-and-noir
>>
>> Matt in OKC
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> I know I have some mid level Shimano ones and a few no name ones. Will 
>>> have to look in stash. Seems like you would want something nicer. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:50:14 AM UTC-5 adam.som...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi All,

 Looking for the last piece of my Appo build. Does anyone have a nice, 
 used, silver, 135 hub for sale?

 Thanks!
 Adam

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[RBW] Re: New Member New Riv

[greenteadrinkers]

Looks great! If you find yourself wanting to snug up the rear fender line, 
V/O has a simple kit to do that (you could also get the parts from a 
hardware store).

https://velo-orange.com/collections/fender-parts/products/spring-thing

Best,
Scott

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:19:47 AM UTC-4 jim.me...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: WIN_20231025_10_45_26_Pro.jpg][image: 
> WIN_20231025_10_41_35_Pro.jpg]
> My Joe is finally finished. I plan to tape the bar after the cockpit is 
> dialed in. I did have a vintage XTR front mech, but it was a top pull and 
> did not work. Other than that the bike is fantastic. Well - the vintage 
> Wright saddle, given to me by a neighbor cleaning out his garage, is not 
> great, but I will give it some time to break in.  This is the first bike I 
> have ridden in years that is not clip in, and I am impressed with the grip 
> of the MKS pedals. The IRD brake levers are a joy to operate. Also loving 
> the dynamo and not having to worry about charging. This bike is my around 
> town ride. 
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:11:46 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> Welcome Jim! I also bought one of the recent Appaloosas. I went with 
>> Purple and Marks build option. Im glad to hear you’ve received yours as I’m 
>> eagerly awaiting mine. Make sure to share a pic once it’s built up.
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:53:32 AM UTC-4 jim.me...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi this is my first post. My lime green Appaloosa arrived last week and 
>>> I am looking forward to getting it built and ridden. I plan to use is as my 
>>> commuter rig. 
>>> Jim
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

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Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:

https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> Rosco Bubbe
> 58cm
> eBay auction
> Lake Linden, MI
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>
> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Jim Stem: 4-Bolt / Face Plate / 10 cm

[greenteadrinkers]

Ah - indeed it is! thanks!

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 3:05:53 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> This is it, isn't it?
>
>
> https://www.interlocracing.com/shop/ird-stem-heron-190mm-5935#attr=4161,2466
>
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 2:35:10 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Sold out at the source.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Scott
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Jim Stem: 4-Bolt / Face Plate / 10 cm

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Sold out at the source.

Thanks!
Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

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Eric - are you riding tubeless on your RH tires? If not, which tubes do you 
prefer?
- Scott

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 11:31:45 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Ted — I like Rene Herse tires but refrain from recommending them simply 
> because they're so darn expensive and the benefits of the casing might not 
> be appreciated by all. I would just hate for someone to think "Eric 
> recommended these expensive tires and I don't like 'em!" While I do enjoy 
> them and stick with them I hesitate to tell anyone "You should run these 
> tires!" Looks like you have some RH experience. If I was running the Super 
> Yummys I'd be tempted to try the Antelope Hill...
>
> I run the Rene Herse Antelope Hill 700x55 with endurance casing on my 54cm 
> Appaloosa. I've had one flat in the past two years of riding paved roads, 
> gravel roads, dirt and trails. They're pretty fun! I enjoy riding them on 
> long rides with lots of climbing and paved and unpaved surfaces. Feels 
> great up on my Appaloosa, the Original Steel Couch. I also find all the 
> volume to be pretty nice running errands and doing stuff around town. 
>
> On my Hillborne I run the Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 700x44. I've ridden 
> standard casing and the extra-lights. Much prefer the feel and speed of the 
> extra-lights though they are a bit more prone to punctures. Had plenty of 
> flats with the standard casing as well. Almost always from road debris, 
> glass specifically, though I have picked up thorns and wire. 
>
> In terms of feel the RHs are great tires, especially in the EL and 
> Endurance casings. I think the standard casing is just so-so. And again, 
> the price is quite painful. I recently got a new set of Snoqualmie ELs for 
> the Hillborne and it was $200 after shipping. 
>
> My sample size is limited, I've only run Rene Herse tires on my 
> Rivendells. 
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:10:32 AM UTC-4 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I just installed "cool weather boots" on my Atlantis, a set of Soma 
>> Cazadero 700x50. I do love the handling with these tires compared to the 
>> Soma SV 700x42s that were just on. It feels even more planted and solid 
>> with the wider rubber, which is great for the time of year when cold and 
>> wet come into play.
>>
>> Nick
>> Falls Church VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:03:34 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 3:27:09 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Over the last few months, I've flatted three or four times on the RHes; 
>>> clearly, the tread has worn thin. I was discussing the issue with a 
>>> repairman at one of the local bike kitchens. He mentioned that GK Slicks 
>>> hold up fine, but it takes a while for the rubber to cure - several months, 
>>> or several hundred miles. Although that's in keeping with bike tire 
>>> traditions ("inflate your new tubulars on a rim and age them over the 
>>> winter" et al), it had never occurred to me that my shiny-new tires might 
>>> take a period of aging to be fully ready for road use. I've reinstalled the 
>>> GKs and put about 250 miles on them without incident. Maybe the intervening 
>>> 20 months has aged the rubber enough to stand up to small road hazards? 
>>> Fingers crossed...
>>>
>>>
>>> That seems unlikely to be true. As for your unluckiness with flats, I 
>>> think that's just a run of bad luck (running over glass at night). I have 
>>> not noticed that new tires puncture any less frequently than old tires. I 
>>> regularly run tires until the rubber wears away and I can see the nylon 
>>> cords below.  What I do notice is that some tires (e.g., the Continental 
>>> tires) have so much tread on them that the sidewalls are more likely to die 
>>> than the tread to wear out. But that may be that I ride more off pavement 
>>> on my tires than most, giving more opportunities to have cuts on the tire.
>>>  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[greenteadrinkers]

My Hillborne is currently wearing a pair of center-slick 700 x 47 durable 
casing Teravail Washburn tires set up tubeless on Cliffhanger rims. So far 
no complaints. 

Scott
Amherst, MA

On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 7:30:48 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here’s what I’m running:
> Gus - 27.5 x 2.5” Teravail Ehline
> Toyo Atlantis - 26” x 1.8” RH Naches Pass
>
> I’ve been super impressed with the Teravail Ehlines. Sure, it’s a burly 
> dirt / gravel tire, but they roll surprisingly fast and quiet on pavement. 
> Quieter than a set of Teravail Sparwoods that I have on another bike (those 
> buzz like crazy). I’m at just under 1,000 mi on these Ehlines and it’s been 
> mostly paved riding. The tread still looks great! I’m kinda shocked, 
> actually.
>
> On Oct 3, 2023, at 7:19 AM, exliontamer  wrote:
>
> 
>
> My bikes:
> Toyo Atlantis - 700x42 Continental Contact Speed
> Cheviot - 700x38 Blue Lug Fairweather Cruise
>
> Katie's bikes:
> Platypus - 650x42 RH Babyshoe Pass
> Roadini - 700x35 RH Bon Jon Pass
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 11:09:12 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> My Hillborne is currently running Panaracer ProTite 650b x 42. I've used 
>> various Protite tires over the years in 26" and 700, and find that for 
>> mixed terrain (mostly pavement, some gravel, a little single-track, and 
>> lots of urban commuting) these tires are fantastic. The same tread pattern 
>> as Paselas with good grippy tread but not knobby. I'm also a big fan of the 
>> Gravelkings and Gravelking SKs, but I find the regular Gravelkings are 
>> fairly flat-prone for city commuting, and the SKs are a bit slower on 
>> pavement.
>>
>> I absolutely love the performance of Rene Herse Babyshoe Pass tires (650 
>> x 42) but find that after about 1K miles, I start getting constant flats, 
>> and can't justify $75 for a tire that only gets that kind of mileage unless 
>> I'm just using them for touring.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 8:26:17 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want 
>>> to try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit 
>>> absorbed with that thought.
>>>
>>> At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black 
>>> sidewall in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 
>>> 26” build and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the 
>>> larger size, with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I 
>>> find the tires sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the 
>>> 25mm wide rim I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.
>>>
>>> I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile 
>>> and something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range 
>>> to start.
>>>
>>> I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend who 
>>> runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose and 
>>> absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another build 
>>> and also liked them a lot, but found that despite being the “endurance” 
>>> casing, they were very prone to small punctures and didn’t handle the 
>>> typical road debris around where I ride very well; this is one of the 
>>> reasons I’ve typically stuck with knobbier tires.
>>>
>>> The ones on my short list are currently the  Manatash Ridge (700x42) and 
>>> Oracle Ridge (700x48) tires from RH.
>>>
>>> I’m curious to know and see what others on the list use and have liked. 
>>> If you have pictures, I’d also love to see what they look like 
>>> (particularly 42mm on frames like the Appaloosa).
>>>
>>> — Ted
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Front basket rack recommendations

[greenteadrinkers]

In the latest PLP video, Russ brings to light a nice basket solution from a 
company called Manivelle. The Le Porteur version is a little less than 2 
lbs, which is kind of amazing for a basket and rack combination. The 
standard version seems to work well with a basket bag. Looks like you might 
spend under $100 for the Manivelle.

https://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:19:47 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just found a screamin deal on a fully built 51 Sam. Now it's time to get 
> it kitted out. I love my Pass And Stow for the heavy duty- stuff and 
> aesthetically, it's unmatched IMO. Perhaps a bit of overkill as a simple 
> basket rack. Would love an RBW51 Nitto rack, but not sure I can justify the 
> $288 plus tax. Looking for something simple and elegant and cost-efficient 
> for mounting a Wald 139 Hardware-less Basket and a Tunitas 137 Tote. 
> If anybody has a well used RBW51 that they would be willing to part with, 
> I'd love to hear from you.
> Also looking for other options and would love to see what y'all are using 
> for your Wald 139 Baskets.
> Thanks!
> Alex
> a c k s f 7 8 gmail
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[RBW] Re: Aging cyclists (was upright bars and geometry)

[greenteadrinkers]

Regarding upright bars and shorter stems, wondering if an 8cm Dirtdrop vs. 
an 8cm 4-bolt Jim Stem would position a Choco bar in basically the same 
reach.

Thanks,
Scott

On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Ted, very timely. I took my Saluki out the other day and yesterday my back 
> was screaming. I just turned 72 and my back has been an issue since my 
> 40’s, why I started riding Rivendells.  Today I will ride my Hillborne. To 
> make it fair I took the 48mm tires off and put 42’s on like on the Saluki. 
> Maybe the Hillborne geometry is better. Both bikes are set up the same, 2 
> differences are tires and cranks. I have a Sugino on the Hillborne and a TA 
> Zephyr on the Saluki. I got the Saluki last year to replace a Bleriot which 
> rode great and transferred all of the components. I thought the geometry 
> was similiar if not the same as the Saluki. By tomorrow morning I will know 
> how my back did. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:41:29 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Garth, of course nothing you say here is wrong, it’s simply not the same 
>> for everyone. And I know you know that. I am a 68 year old lifetime 
>> cyclist. I’ve been through many drop bar bikes and though my last one 
>> (Custom Richard Sachs) was easily the best, I was never truly comfortable.
>>
>>
>> This is a timely topic for me. I'm about to turn 61 and, until last 
>> spring, I thought I had dialed in my perfect bike fit. Doing a fair amount 
>> of yoga starting in my 40's really helped my flexibility and core strength, 
>> so I ride with a pretty low, flat back. I use pretty deep drop bars (mostly 
>> Noodles), set the tops a bit below the saddle, and spend a lot of time on 
>> the drops. My personal cubit is how I check seat-bar distance, and the 
>> backs of my handlebar tops at the stem have always been 2-4cm ahead of my 
>> fingertips.
>>
>> When I was spec'ing out my new Sam, I spent a long time on stem length 
>> and finally decided to go shorter. This is also relevant to the previous 
>> thread, as the Sam has a much slacker seat tube angle than my other bikes, 
>> making it a bit more challenging to translate fit from the other bikes.  On 
>> the Sam, the bars are just a few mm ahead of my fingers. I was worried this 
>> would be too cramped, so it was a bit of a revelation when I found it was 
>> comfortable and still allowed plenty of breathing space. Thinking about it, 
>> I realized that it was logical that my seat-bar distance would need to 
>> shrink a bit. I have pretty severe osteoporosis and a couple of compressed 
>> vertebrae, so my torso length is shorter than it was 5 years ago. 
>>
>> So, yeah, everybody ages differently, but we all age and need to be aware 
>> of how our bodies are changing and how that impacts position and fit on the 
>> bike. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Tosco-moose Bars, Threadless for the Gus

[greenteadrinkers]

I have the Nitto V5 on my Tanglefoot Moonshiner. I've tested both the Choco 
and Billie bar through some of western New England's rockiest rock gardens. 
The stem does a great job, and neither bar has slipped.

I believe the V5 is designed to perfectly fit Nitto bars that have that 
100mm wide by 25.4mm sleeve, which I think means it might not work with a 
Tosco bar.

On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 5:44:03 PM UTC-4 Erik wrote:

> I've looked at just using a beefier stem (I currently run a Paul Boxcar on 
> the Gus) and a regular Tosco with a 31.8 clamp diameter, but part of this 
> search is to complete my "moose" collection: I have a bullmoose, a 
> boscomoose, and chocomoose on different bikes.  I love the look and the 
> beefiness of the moose configuration!  I ordered a Nitto V-5 this weekend 
> from Blue Lug.  I have a Tosco and a Losco that I'm going to try out with 
> that stem on the Gus, but I'm really hoping to find the moose variation. 
>  I've also considered seeing if I can get a handlebar maker to fabricate 
> something similar for me.  
>
> I appreciate the tips so far!
>
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 10:30:23 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Correct Richard... the Tosco with the 31.8 dia. is the widest one 
>> (650mm). That's what I have on my Gus and it's plenty stiff with my Thomson 
>> 110 stem. I love wide bars, so that width is perfect for me!
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 1:26:11 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Good points. Although, I think the only Tosco with the 31.8 clamp size 
>>> is the 650 wide one? I had that one on my Clem & agree it is very solid. It 
>>> was just too wide for me.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2023, at 12:00 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
>>> Something to consider is that, unlike the normal Bosco, the normal 
>>> Tosco has a knurled section at the clamp area  and is oversized 31.8 
>>> diameter.  I agree that the bullmoose works best in terms of stiffness and 
>>> inability to slip on the Bosco.  The it's the only version of that bar that 
>>> I could get to work.  However, I have the steel, normal (clamp-on) Tosco on 
>>> two bikes - a susie and another mountain bike - and have had none of the 
>>> flex or slipping issues I had with a normal Bosco.  I'd suggest trying it 
>>> if you know that's what you want, if you can't find a bullmoose version.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 7:38:26 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi Erik. I don’t have one (Tosco-Moose) but I have almost made the same 
 request several times since building my Gus. I would still be curious to 
 try one but think I’ve settled on the next best alternative, the Nitto V-5 
 stem. It’s very solid with my 580 Bosco bar & only slips a little if I 
 forget to unweight my hands doing a drop. I did try a Boscomoose on my 
 Clem 
 & could not deal with the fixed angle - I need the tips downs a  bit. It 
 would be nice if doing a lot of the rough stuff to not have to think about 
 the bar slipping.
 Good luck with your search. I think Will told me that Grant has one on 
 a tandem. Maybe you could talk him into parting with it.:)

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 28, 2023, at 11:46 PM, Erik  wrote:

 I know this is a long shot, but I would love to land a Tosco-moose 
 threadless handlebar.  I think they were sold briefly around the time of 
 the first run of the Gus Boots Wilsen.  I'm looking to swap out my current 
 Gus cockpit for a swept-back option, but I want the moose configuration's 
 sturdiness.  


 Let me know if you have one burning a hole in your bike parts stash.  

 Erik 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

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So, 26.8 is what you want for a Sam? 

Thanks,
Scott

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:

> After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, I 
> put a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine sand 
> over it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, 
> crunch, crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used a 
> smallish file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all 
> applicable areas, which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the 
> slick surface was not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. 
> Fingers crossed but feeling confident. Attached are pics for comparison. 
> 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

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Just ordered the 26.8 set back in silver my Sam, thanks for the tip!
Scott

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:38:48 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> They have them on the Thomson site for the same clearance price as the 
> straight one. $109
>
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 9:23:33 PM UTC-4 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If anyone is sitting (metaphorically!) on a 26.8 setback Thomson, 
>> preferably silver - please DM me offlist - passively seeking same! 
>>
>> =- Joe Bunik 
>> Walnut Creek, CA 
>>
>>
>> On 8/14/23, Nick Payne  wrote: 
>> > On Sunday, 13 August 2023 at 2:58:09 am UTC+10 jonathan@gmail.com 
>> > wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Reaming has crossed my mind and I know riv uses thicker walled tubing 
>> than 
>> > most, but I still wanted to avoid it. How has it been holding up for 
>> you? 
>> > Do you think 27.2 is possible? I would've much rather had that size 
>> from 
>> > the get-go, I didn't realize how rare 26.8 is becoming. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Provided that brazing the seat tube into the lug hasn't distorted the 
>> seat 
>> > tube significantly out of round, it shouldn't be a problem. I've 
>> certainly 
>> > had no problem with the frame that I reamed to 27.0. 27.2mm became the 
>> > defacto standard as it was the seatpost size used on most frames built 
>> with 
>> > 
>> > Reynolds 531C. 
>> > 
>> > Nick Payne 
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 27F rack vs rack combos

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James at Analog had/has? a 27F for sale.

Best,
Scott

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 10:50:37 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Tubus Tara work well with ortlieb panniers that have stiff backs and a 
> slide-in plastic hook on the back. The angled pannier mounts with support 
> bars all around would should work better with floppier panniers or those 
> with simple bungee hooks.  The tubus don't always sit level with the Riv 
> forks.  You may need to flip the top rail upside-down.
>
> The Velo Orange Campeur Front Rack is similar to the 27F with angled 
> carriers, but they don't come off.  The VO rack has better system for 
> mounting a Rando bag, IMO.  
>
> Tom
> Reston, VA
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello group! 
>> I recently purchased the Nitto Mini Campee front rack for my rando bag 
>> with the idea of adding something like a TUBUS low rider or Marks Hub Area 
>> rack (MF2) for pannier- carrying come S24O time. 
>>
>> Then I remembered Nitto's most grandiose front rack, the Campee 27F and 
>> from my POV, that seems like the smartest, most elegant solution for a bike 
>> that will always carry a central bag with the option of adding panniers. 
>> The only rub is that rack is out of stock everywhere...it seems like Nitto 
>> might not even be making it anymore *(this is pure speculation but it 
>> also seems like VO dropped their front-camper rack as well)*. Any 
>> insights on this? Is it just an incredibly time-consuming rack, they only 
>> make a very small batch of them at a time? 
>>
>> The main reason why the Campee 27F is calling my name is that the 
>> low-rider racks are both modular AND angled. It doesn't seem like the MF2 
>> or Tubus offerings have that feature and I was wondering if anyone here 
>> feels a difference in ride-quality between angled and vertical low-rider 
>> panniers. 
>>
>> Would the Nitto Mini Campee and MF2 combo check all the boxes or is the 
>> Campee 27F still the GROAT and worth the wait? 
>>
>> - Andrew
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: rack for Wald 139

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Have you considered a couple of those inexpensive banjo brothers grocery 
store panniers and a rear rack? You mentioned wanting to carry two grocery 
bags worth of stuff or an equivalent haul from the farmer's market. I'm 
just thinking would easily solve problems related to having of a lot of 
weight above your wheel.
Best,
Scott

On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 7:50:30 AM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

>
> Not aure id this still works, but when i purchasedy basket rack, it was 
> cheaper, even with shipping to get it frok  boue lug  the plus was any 
> small afditionals hardly added to the shipping cost, so it justified some 
> toss ins. i’d imagine the prices are still similar, but it seems like there 
> are a nice bit of options from you to choose from anyway. 
>
> separately, laing, i see you’re using the cell orange anti flop thing. i 
> have one as well but it isn’t stretched out half as much as yours. would 
> you say it works optimally that way? i’ve never been a big fan of its 
> function 
> On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:47:12 PM UTC-4 John Phillips wrote:
>
>> +1 for Pass and Stow racks.
>>
>> Old Man Mountain is now offering a wider platform Pizza Rack, but haven't 
>> tried it.
>>
>> I would also recommend using the widest bars you're comfortable with for 
>> riding with big front loads, but YMMV.
>>
>> Confession: I do not like big front loads.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:29:38 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings
>>> I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what ppl 
>>> are using for a rack.
>>> I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and 
>>> I'm considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with 
>>> spending $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it 
>>> is..  I may pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see 
>>> what users of the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.
>>> I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people have 
>>> used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and doesn't have 
>>> any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's strong 
>>> enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on the rear 
>>> of the bike though.
>>> Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
>>> thanks
>>> JS
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

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I'd have a tough time focusing on/in class knowing I had a Riv. locked up 
outside.

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:14:34 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I agree with Mackenzie’s point about swoopy top tube bikes not being taken 
> seriously by most folks - regardless of whether or not they are “bike 
> folks”. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been asked if my Gus is “an 
> old vintage bike”. Haha. Then I try to explain to them what it actually is 
> and their eyes just gloss over.
>
> Y’all are making me miss my old 1st generation Surly 1x1. I used it for 
> most of my bike polo “career”, which spanned from 2007 - 2012. It traveled 
> all over the Midwest with me and my fellow club mates. Man, that was 
> probably the sweetest, most dialed-in bike I’ve ever owned. I had it set up 
> with Motolites and a Paul dual-pull lever on the left side (so I could 
> swing a mallet with my right). Stopped on a dime, and accelerated like a 
> rocket. I had my friend Alex Meade (of Discord stem fame) who lived near me 
> at the time, make me a custom straight blade fork for super-tight, twitchy 
> turning… that bike absolutely slayed!
>
> I’m happy to say it’s still roaming my city as a daily commuter; I ended 
> up selling the f/f/hs to a friend of mine. I still see it occasionally and 
> have pangs of regret!
>
> On Aug 11, 2023, at 4:00 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
> The 1x1 isn’t made any more, and they hold their value really well as 
> they seem to be coming somewhat collectible. The replacement is the 
> Lowside, I think it’s about $890 for the frame set. Not really a value play 
> anymore. 
>
>
> Eric
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2023, George Schick  wrote:
>
>> I'll chime in with yet another recommendation (would be my choice if I 
>> were going to be shipping a kid of to a campus in the near future):  a 
>> Surly 1x1. They're single speed frames, rather on the heavy side made from 
>> 4130 chro-moly tubing, powder coated for durability, and can be set up with 
>> a single-speed cog and chainring of your choice.  I currently own one and 
>> use it as my all around utility bike for running short haul errands, etc.  
>> I'm using a Bulletproof BMX crankset, 38-tooth Rocket chainring, and a 
>> Shimano 17-tooth SS freewheel for a 59" gear (perfect for riding around 
>> campus).  You can equip this bike with front and rear disc brakes, though I 
>> would not recommend it for campus use where it can get beat around on an 
>> overloaded bike rack and the discs bent. Instead I'd set it up with 
>> linear-pull F brakes. It comes with a threadless fork/steering tube, 
>> though, so you'd need the right length/angle threadless stem and the right 
>> bars to fit it (I'd recommend the VeloOrange Granola-Moose bar for easy 
>> mounting of the bar with a headlight.  You could pick any hub, rim, and 
>> tire combination you prefer.  Mine has Surly's semi-sealed cartridge hubs 
>> with 28mm rims and 60mm Schwalbe Big Apple balloon tires - again, a perfect 
>> combo for campus riding.
>> A web search shows that there are several LBS's around the GR, MI area 
>> who are Surly dealers so you'd be within reasonable reach of one.  Anyway, 
>> that's my 2¢.
>>
>> PS: I have a 16T White Industries SS freewheel FS if that would work
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 6:47:48 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed 
>>> reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid 
>>> bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and 
>>> locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an 
>>> undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…
>>>
>>> Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be 
>>> with the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, sees 
>>> beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many 
>>> details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and 
>>> that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has 
>>> the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of 
>>> the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his 
>>> destination. 
>>>
>>> The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming 
>>> about, although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not 
>>> prolific on this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to 
>>> send, but any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and 
>>> nuts that prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes all 
>>> these products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. 
>>>
>>> And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ 
>>> insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>>>
 Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike 

[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[greenteadrinkers]

I have a set of the Paul rack mount bolts I'd sell for cheap if you are 
interested. They didn't work out for me.

Best,
Scott

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Essentially the procedure, whether using chainring bolts or non-threaded 
> spacers, is just repace Paul's supplied M6 bolt with a bolt long enough to 
> clear whatever I'm using for spacers plus the rack stay itself. Seems 
> simple enough. Thank you.
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:27:06 PM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> You could also use any extra chainring bolts that you might have laying 
>> around instead of buying spacers.  I have shimano v-brakes and a VO rack, 
>> but your setup should be similar.  Longer allen bolts definitely needed, 
>> not sure how long mine are tho.  Looks like I used a washer at head of bolt 
>> too.
>> [image: IMG_0480.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:09:26 AM UTC-7 S. Greco wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, a longer M6 is needed to make up whatever additional length is 
>>> added with the spacer.
>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 6:37:29 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Steven. So I'd just need a longer M6 screw along with these 
 spacers? The Touring Cantis have a 20 mm screw, so I'd need something like 
 an M6x40?

 --
 Bob

 On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:00:35 PM UTC-6 S. Greco wrote:

> I recommend using spacers instead of the rack adapters.  The rack 
> adapters are heavy, and they make it annoying to adjust the brakes. I 
> used 
> 'Aluminum Unthreaded Spacers" from McMaster-Carr do to this with a nitto 
> rack/Paul anti setup and it made it much easier to work on the brakes.
>
> You'll be able to fit a rack with adjustable stays (like Nitto M-18, 
> F-27 or Rene Herse UD-2, etc) better to the bike.
>
> [image: mcmaster.png]
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:52:21 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front 
>> rack that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either 
>> Touring Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to 
>> know but should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack 
>> Adapters.)
>>
>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere 
>> that the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward 
>> from the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Discord Stems, 1 RH Oracle Ridge 700c x 48 Endurance tire

[greenteadrinkers]

Stems are all sold.

The Oracle Ridge is still available, $65 +shipping

RH Oracle Ridge (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
Condition: Nearly New (installed tubeless, rode around the block, 
uninstalled)
$65 +Shipping

Thanks!
Scott
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Bump.
>
> Discord w(Right) Quill Stem - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
> Condition: Very Good
> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
> $100 +Shipping
>
> Discord Peeper Threadless Stem - 30mm
> Condition: Excellent
> <https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem 
> <https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
> $120 +Shipping
>
> Discord Chromo Creemee Threadless Stem - 0mm Clear Coat
> Condition: Very Good
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
> $120 +Shipping.
>
> RH Oracle Ridge (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
> Condition: Nearly New (installed tubeless, rode around the block, 
> uninstalled)
> $70 +Shipping
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:43:34 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Some price drops:
>>
>> Discord w(Right) Quill Stem - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
>> Condition: Very Good
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
>> $125 +Shipping
>>
>> Discord Peeper Threadless Stem - 30mm
>> Condition: Excellent
>> <https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem 
>> <https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
>> $140 +Shipping
>>
>> Discord Chromo Creemee Threadless Stem - 0mm Clear Coat
>> Condition: Very Good
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
>> $140 +Shipping.
>>
>> RH Oracle Ridge (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
>> Condition: Nearly New (installed tubeless, rode around the block, 
>> uninstalled)
>> $75 +Shipping
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:03:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> *Sold*
>>> *Small Fabio's Chest - CLASSIC WAXED - (includes Pec Dec V1, selling as 
>>> a set)*
>>>
>>> *Sold*
>>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
>>>
>>> *Still Available:*
>>>
>>> *Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
>>> Condition: Very Good
>>> Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
>>> James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
>>> SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
>>> the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
>>> half the diameter of the stem.
>>> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
>>> $195 new
>>> *asking* *$145+ Shipping*.
>>>
>>> *Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm
>>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>>> Condition: Excellent
>>>
>>> Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only green and blue trails 
>>> and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total.
>>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem
>>> $185 new
>>> asking $150+ Shipping.
>>> *Price drop $145+ Shipping.*
>>>
>>> *Discord Chromo Creemee* *Threadless Stem *- 0mm Clear Coat
>>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>>> Condition: Excellent / Very Good
>>>
>>> Some very light blemishes in the clear coat, you need to hold it under a 
>>> light to clearly see. Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only 
>>> green and blue trails and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total. 
>>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
>>> $195 new
>>> asking $150+ Shipping.
>>> *Price drop $145+ Shipping.*
>>>
>>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
>>> Condition: Excellent
>>> Needed to replace a standard casing OR on my Sam, and asked my LBS to 
>>> swap out the tire, oddly the Endurance casing sits wider than the standard 
>>> casing, which ended up being a no-go for the Sam. The tire was installed 
>>> tubeless and test rode in the parking lot, it's about as close to new as 
>>> you'll find used.
>>> $109 new, (that includes the $17 shipping fee from RH)
>>> asking $80+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)
>>> 

[RBW] FS: Discord Stems, 1 RH Oracle Ridge 700c x 48 Endurance tire

[greenteadrinkers]

Bump.

Discord w(Right) Quill Stem - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
Condition: Very Good
https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
$100 +Shipping

Discord Peeper Threadless Stem - 30mm
Condition: Excellent
<https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem 
<https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
$120 +Shipping

Discord Chromo Creemee Threadless Stem - 0mm Clear Coat
Condition: Very Good
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
$120 +Shipping.

RH Oracle Ridge (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
Condition: Nearly New (installed tubeless, rode around the block, 
uninstalled)
$70 +Shipping

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:43:34 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Some price drops:
>
> Discord w(Right) Quill Stem - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
> Condition: Very Good
> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
> $125 +Shipping
>
> Discord Peeper Threadless Stem - 30mm
> Condition: Excellent
> <https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem 
> <https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
> $140 +Shipping
>
> Discord Chromo Creemee Threadless Stem - 0mm Clear Coat
> Condition: Very Good
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
> $140 +Shipping.
>
> RH Oracle Ridge (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
> Condition: Nearly New (installed tubeless, rode around the block, 
> uninstalled)
> $75 +Shipping
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:03:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>>
>> *Sold*
>> *Small Fabio's Chest - CLASSIC WAXED - (includes Pec Dec V1, selling as a 
>> set)*
>>
>> *Sold*
>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
>>
>> *Still Available:*
>>
>> *Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
>> Condition: Very Good
>> Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
>> James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
>> SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
>> the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
>> half the diameter of the stem.
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
>> $195 new
>> *asking* *$145+ Shipping*.
>>
>> *Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm
>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>> Condition: Excellent
>>
>> Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only green and blue trails 
>> and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total.
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem
>> $185 new
>> asking $150+ Shipping.
>> *Price drop $145+ Shipping.*
>>
>> *Discord Chromo Creemee* *Threadless Stem *- 0mm Clear Coat
>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>> Condition: Excellent / Very Good
>>
>> Some very light blemishes in the clear coat, you need to hold it under a 
>> light to clearly see. Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only 
>> green and blue trails and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total. 
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
>> $195 new
>> asking $150+ Shipping.
>> *Price drop $145+ Shipping.*
>>
>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
>> Condition: Excellent
>> Needed to replace a standard casing OR on my Sam, and asked my LBS to 
>> swap out the tire, oddly the Endurance casing sits wider than the standard 
>> casing, which ended up being a no-go for the Sam. The tire was installed 
>> tubeless and test rode in the parking lot, it's about as close to new as 
>> you'll find used.
>> $109 new, (that includes the $17 shipping fee from RH)
>> asking $80+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)
>> *Price drop **$75+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)*
>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:18:24 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> *Sold*
>>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 12:53:25 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
>>>> DM for pictures, I'll respond as soon as possible. This is my first 
>>>> time posting stuff for sale, so please bear with me.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks! 
>>>> Scott in Amherst MA
>>>>
>>>> *Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
>>>> Condition: VG/VG-
>>>> Some light rust blemishes (which 

[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Sugino XD2 Crankset

[greenteadrinkers]

Sure thing. 

I have an XD2 with a 40 outer and 24 inner paired with the Jim 11-36 
7-speed cassette on my Sam. The gear range is wide and every ring 
combination is useable. The chain is a 9-speed and the RD a Shimano XTR 
rapid-rise. Before the XTR, I had the Altus M310 which worked without 
issue, the XTR came up on the list and I had some extra cash to burn and 
wanted to try rapid rise, You'll need to find an FD that can handle the 
jump from the large to the small ring. Also, be careful when shifting down 
to the smaller ring up front, you can drop the chain and form a nasty 
pretzel.

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:02:09 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That's a hot tip. I am going to give one of them a shot. Apparently like 
> the New Albion they are branded Sugino on the flip side.
>
> So the crank arms are FS only now.
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:07:50 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> You might take a peek at this wide double offered by SPA cycles for under 
>> $100 that PLP'd Russ had mentioned a while back. Hard to find anything like 
>> this for under $100: 165mm arms with a 42/26 or 40/24 combination with a 
>> bash guard and no hidden chainring bolt!
>>
>>
>> https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m8b17s109p3383/SPA-CYCLES-TD2-RD2-Super-Compact-Chainset-with-Zicral-Rings
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:45:30 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> OKso I have been on a mission to move down in crank size. I found 
>>> that 165mm is good for me and 160mm is even better. So I have this XD2 set 
>>> that I pulled off of my Clem. It is in amazing condition with little to now 
>>> issues. Maybe a small scratch from the pedal but thats being nitpicky. I 
>>> would rate it as very close to new. It does not come with chainrings. I had 
>>> it set up as a 1x. I do have the brand new chainring bolts though.
>>>
>>> I would love to trade this for a 165mm crank (or 160 but that is not as 
>>> common). It can be straight across or I can add cash. Silver, Sugino, 
>>> whatever...let me know what you have. Major points if its a triple. I think 
>>> I want to try a WIDE double setup. With or without chainrings is fine with 
>>> me.
>>>
>>> If you have nothing to trade but want to pick up the arms I can do $90 
>>> shipped.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Sugino XD2 Crankset

[greenteadrinkers]

You might take a peek at this wide double offered by SPA cycles for under 
$100 that PLP'd Russ had mentioned a while back. Hard to find anything like 
this for under $100: 165mm arms with a 42/26 or 40/24 combination with a 
bash guard and no hidden chainring bolt!

https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m8b17s109p3383/SPA-CYCLES-TD2-RD2-Super-Compact-Chainset-with-Zicral-Rings


 


On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 9:45:30 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> OKso I have been on a mission to move down in crank size. I found that 
> 165mm is good for me and 160mm is even better. So I have this XD2 set that 
> I pulled off of my Clem. It is in amazing condition with little to now 
> issues. Maybe a small scratch from the pedal but thats being nitpicky. I 
> would rate it as very close to new. It does not come with chainrings. I had 
> it set up as a 1x. I do have the brand new chainring bolts though.
>
> I would love to trade this for a 165mm crank (or 160 but that is not as 
> common). It can be straight across or I can add cash. Silver, Sugino, 
> whatever...let me know what you have. Major points if its a triple. I think 
> I want to try a WIDE double setup. With or without chainrings is fine with 
> me.
>
> If you have nothing to trade but want to pick up the arms I can do $90 
> shipped.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Discord Stems, RH tire/s, SM Doom'd Fab's Chest w/Pec Dec

[greenteadrinkers]

Some price drops:

Discord w(Right) Quill Stem - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
Condition: Very Good
https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
$125 +Shipping

Discord Peeper Threadless Stem - 30mm
Condition: Excellent
<https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem 
<https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem>
$140 +Shipping

Discord Chromo Creemee Threadless Stem - 0mm Clear Coat
Condition: Very Good
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
$140 +Shipping.

RH Oracle Ridge (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
Condition: Nearly New (installed tubeless, rode around the block, 
uninstalled)
$75 +Shipping

On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:03:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

>
> *Sold*
> *Small Fabio's Chest - CLASSIC WAXED - (includes Pec Dec V1, selling as a 
> set)*
>
> *Sold*
> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
>
> *Still Available:*
>
> *Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
> Condition: Very Good
> Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
> James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
> SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
> the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
> half the diameter of the stem.
> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
> $195 new
> *asking* *$145+ Shipping*.
>
> *Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm
> (currently out of stock at Analog)
> Condition: Excellent
>
> Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only green and blue trails 
> and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total.
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem
> $185 new
> asking $150+ Shipping.
> *Price drop $145+ Shipping.*
>
> *Discord Chromo Creemee* *Threadless Stem *- 0mm Clear Coat
> (currently out of stock at Analog)
> Condition: Excellent / Very Good
>
> Some very light blemishes in the clear coat, you need to hold it under a 
> light to clearly see. Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only 
> green and blue trails and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total. 
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
> $195 new
> asking $150+ Shipping.
> *Price drop $145+ Shipping.*
>
> *RH Oracle Ridge* (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
> Condition: Excellent
> Needed to replace a standard casing OR on my Sam, and asked my LBS to swap 
> out the tire, oddly the Endurance casing sits wider than the standard 
> casing, which ended up being a no-go for the Sam. The tire was installed 
> tubeless and test rode in the parking lot, it's about as close to new as 
> you'll find used.
> $109 new, (that includes the $17 shipping fee from RH)
> asking $80+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)
> *Price drop **$75+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)*
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:18:24 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> *Sold*
>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
>>
>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 12:53:25 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> DM for pictures, I'll respond as soon as possible. This is my first time 
>>> posting stuff for sale, so please bear with me.
>>>
>>> Thanks! 
>>> Scott in Amherst MA
>>>
>>> *Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
>>> Condition: VG/VG-
>>> Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
>>> James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
>>> SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
>>> the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
>>> half the diameter of the stem.
>>> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
>>> $195 new
>>> *asking* *$145+ Shipping*.
>>>
>>> *Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm 
>>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>>> Condition: Mint/Near mint 
>>> Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only green and blue trails 
>>> and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total.
>>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem
>>> $185 new
>>> *asking* *$150+ Shipping*.
>>>
>>> *Discord Chromo Creemee* *Threadless Stem *- 0mm Clear Coat 
>>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>>> Condition: VG+/VG-
>>> Some very light blemishes in the clear coat, you need to hold it under a 
>>> light to clearly see. Installed on the

Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question...

[greenteadrinkers]

Garth - Thank you for the explanation, I'd only use the 40-tooth cog with 
the 26-tooth chainring, I'm in a fairly hilly region and not the strongest 
rider.
Planning to pull my V/O wide double from my parts bin for this project. 
Would be nice to find a 42-tooth outer ring for that crankset. 

Ted - I have my Sam set up with a 40/24 XD2 and the Jim 11-36 7-speed 
cassette, that's been super versatile and lovely.

Best,
Scott

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:02:14 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> OT: Yeah, 46-11 is a lot. It really depends on the terrain you ride but 
> for where I live (fairly hilly) I’ve found that 42 front and 11-36 rear 
> hits the sweet spot for commuting. With an 11-36 cassette I only 
> occasionally find myself wanting a lower range every once in a while and I 
> would say there are an equal number of descents where I’m glad I have 
> 42-11. If I was less interested in using my commute as daily exercise, I 
> could see value in going to 38 or 40 up front, even. But im the type who 
> likes to pedal up and down hills.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 1:46 PM Garth  wrote:
>
>> I forgot the gear inch link here :
>>
>>
>> https://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS=26,46=11,13,15,18,22,27,33,40=2330=90=2.6=KMH=gearInches
>>
>> As you can see, the 46-11 is comically large, shame on all the parts mfg 
>> for offering so few usable choices.
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 1:07:26 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> I have a V/O wide double crankset that has 46/26 rings, I'm considering 
>>> buying the Shimano, Acera M3020 which is rated to 40 teeth, and matching it 
>>> with an 11-40 Shimano 8-speed wide range cassette that Riv sells. I plan to 
>>> keep it friction.
>>>
>>> The max front difference for the RD is 20 teeth, so 46–26= 20.
>>>
>>> The total stated capacity of the Acera is 45 teeth, I'm not clear what 
>>> this means or how to calculate that figure.
>>>
>>> Would there be a reason the combination of chainrings, cassette, and 
>>> rear derailleur would not play well? 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Scott
>>>
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[RBW] Drivetrain question...

[greenteadrinkers]

I have a V/O wide double crankset that has 46/26 rings, I'm considering 
buying the Shimano, Acera M3020 which is rated to 40 teeth, and matching it 
with an 11-40 Shimano 8-speed wide range cassette that Riv sells. I plan to 
keep it friction.

The max front difference for the RD is 20 teeth, so 46–26= 20.

The total stated capacity of the Acera is 45 teeth, I'm not clear what this 
means or how to calculate that figure.

Would there be a reason the combination of chainrings, cassette, and rear 
derailleur would not play well? 

Thanks!
Scott

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto racks, Shimano hubs, Paul Racer, Nitto and VO bottle cage mounts, Shimano derailers

[greenteadrinkers]

Hello,

I'm interested in the 32F, please let me know if it's still available.

Thanks!
Scott

On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:34:06 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Hi, I'm trying to lighten my parts overload. These are items I decided not 
> use. Please let me know privately if you're interested in anything. I have 
> included one photo that pictures everything. Thanks!
>
>1. *Rivendell Nitto 32R Campee rear rack*, mounted but not ridden, 
>like new*. $190* (It's $252 from Riv, and they've been sold out for a 
>while) 
>2. *Rivendell Nitto 32F Campee front rack*, brand new, never mounted.* 
>$130* (It's $140 and sold out everywhere.)
>3. *Nitto Bottle Cage holder/mount (BH-01),* has dual clamps for 22.2 
>and 26 handlebars. A beautiful, functional, unusual piece, in typical 
>uncompromising Nitto quality. New in package.* $36*
>4. *Velo Orange bottle cage mount*, similar idea to the Nitto, fits up 
>to 25.4, new in package. *$10*. 
>5. *Paul Components Racer center pull brake*, silver, rear, recessed. 
>New in box, never installed, with salmon pads, straddle cable, purple 
> cable 
>cap, and cable carrier. *$145* 
>6. *Shimano XTR HB-M900 36H front hub*, beautiful classic XTR, new old 
>stock, some minor storage marks. No skewer. $100
>7. *Shimano Deore XT HB-M737 32H Parallax front hub*, another shiny 
>classic, new old stock, no skewer *$25*.  
>8. *Shimano XTR HB-M9110 32H center lock front hub*. Unusual in this 
>group. A fantastic hub at a great price. New in package. *$98*
>9. *Shimano Deore RD-M591, 9-speed silver rear derailer*, Riv sold 
>countless 591s on standard builds. High normal, lightly used, great 
>condition. *$32*
>10. *Shimano Deore XT FD-M739 front derailer*, 31.8 clamp, well used 
>but not beat up, functionally perfect. *$10 or free with $100 purchase*
>. 
>
> Buyer pays shipping, conus only, Apple Pay (preferred), Venmo, or PayPal 
> FF. 
>
> [image: parts to sell.jpg]
>  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Discord Stems, RH tire/s, SM Doom'd Fab's Chest w/Pec Dec

[greenteadrinkers]

*Sold*
*Small Fabio's Chest - CLASSIC WAXED - (includes Pec Dec V1, selling as a 
set)*

*Sold*
*RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.

*Still Available:*

*Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
Condition: Very Good
Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
half the diameter of the stem.
https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
$195 new
*asking* *$145+ Shipping*.

*Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm
(currently out of stock at Analog)
Condition: Excellent
Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only green and blue trails and 
easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total.
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem
$185 new
asking $150+ Shipping.
*Price drop $145+ Shipping.*

*Discord Chromo Creemee* *Threadless Stem *- 0mm Clear Coat
(currently out of stock at Analog)
Condition: Excellent / Very Good
Some very light blemishes in the clear coat, you need to hold it under a 
light to clearly see. Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only 
green and blue trails and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total. 
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
$195 new
asking $150+ Shipping.
*Price drop $145+ Shipping.*

*RH Oracle Ridge* (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
Condition: Excellent
Needed to replace a standard casing OR on my Sam, and asked my LBS to swap 
out the tire, oddly the Endurance casing sits wider than the standard 
casing, which ended up being a no-go for the Sam. The tire was installed 
tubeless and test rode in the parking lot, it's about as close to new as 
you'll find used.
$109 new, (that includes the $17 shipping fee from RH)
asking $80+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)
*Price drop **$75+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)*
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 1:18:24 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> *Sold*
> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
>
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 12:53:25 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> DM for pictures, I'll respond as soon as possible. This is my first time 
>> posting stuff for sale, so please bear with me.
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> Scott in Amherst MA
>>
>> *Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
>> Condition: VG/VG-
>> Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
>> James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
>> SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
>> the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
>> half the diameter of the stem.
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
>> $195 new
>> *asking* *$145+ Shipping*.
>>
>> *Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm 
>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>> Condition: Mint/Near mint 
>> Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only green and blue trails 
>> and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total.
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem
>> $185 new
>> *asking* *$150+ Shipping*.
>>
>> *Discord Chromo Creemee* *Threadless Stem *- 0mm Clear Coat 
>> (currently out of stock at Analog)
>> Condition: VG+/VG-
>> Some very light blemishes in the clear coat, you need to hold it under a 
>> light to clearly see. Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only 
>> green and blue trails and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total. 
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
>> $195 new
>> *asking* *$150+ Shipping*.
>>
>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
>> Condition: Mint/Near mint
>> Needed to replace a standard casing OR on my Sam, and asked my LBS to 
>> swap out the tire, oddly the Endurance casing sits wider than the standard 
>> casing, which ended up being a no-go for the Sam. The tire was installed 
>> tubeless and test rode in the parking lot, it's about as close to new as 
>> you'll find used.
>> $109 new, (that includes the $17 shipping fee from RH) 
>> *asking $80+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)*
>>
>> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
>> Condition: VG/VG-
>> These have a lot of life left in them, I was having a problem keeping one 
>> of the tires inflated while set up as tubeless, my LBS said they have had 
>> very mixed experiences keeping standard casing RH tires inflated when set 
>> up tubeless. I think these would do well 

[RBW] Re: FS: Discord Stems, RH tire/s, SM Doom'd Fab's Chest w/Pec Dec

[greenteadrinkers]

*Sold*
*RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 12:53:25 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> DM for pictures, I'll respond as soon as possible. This is my first time 
> posting stuff for sale, so please bear with me.
>
> Thanks! 
> Scott in Amherst MA
>
> *Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
> Condition: VG/VG-
> Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
> James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
> SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
> the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
> half the diameter of the stem.
> https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
> $195 new
> *asking* *$145+ Shipping*.
>
> *Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm 
> (currently out of stock at Analog)
> Condition: Mint/Near mint 
> Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only green and blue trails 
> and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total.
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem
> $185 new
> *asking* *$150+ Shipping*.
>
> *Discord Chromo Creemee* *Threadless Stem *- 0mm Clear Coat 
> (currently out of stock at Analog)
> Condition: VG+/VG-
> Some very light blemishes in the clear coat, you need to hold it under a 
> light to clearly see. Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only 
> green and blue trails and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total. 
> https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
> $195 new
> *asking* *$150+ Shipping*.
>
> *RH Oracle Ridge* (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
> Condition: Mint/Near mint
> Needed to replace a standard casing OR on my Sam, and asked my LBS to swap 
> out the tire, oddly the Endurance casing sits wider than the standard 
> casing, which ended up being a no-go for the Sam. The tire was installed 
> tubeless and test rode in the parking lot, it's about as close to new as 
> you'll find used.
> $109 new, (that includes the $17 shipping fee from RH) 
> *asking $80+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)*
>
> *RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
> Condition: VG/VG-
> These have a lot of life left in them, I was having a problem keeping one 
> of the tires inflated while set up as tubeless, my LBS said they have had 
> very mixed experiences keeping standard casing RH tires inflated when set 
> up tubeless. I think these would do well with inner tubes and provide 
> plenty of miles.
> $100 used for a fellow list member
> *asking $55+ Shipping (price is for a pair)*
>
> *Small Fabio's Chest - CLASSIC WAXED - (includes Pec Dec V1, selling as a 
> set)*
> Color: Doom'd Grey
> Condition: VG+/VG- (closer to NM-)
> Lovely bag, looked amazing on my black and cream Sam. That said, I wasn't 
> into the ride feel, also the bag is total overkill for the kind of riding I 
> do these days. The struts on the Pec Dec were cut to fit my Sam, you may 
> need to order new struts for $23 from Riv. depending on fit.
> Bag $270 new, Pec Dec, something like $50? new
> * asking $225 +shipping for both*
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Discord Stems, RH tire/s, SM Doom'd Fab's Chest w/Pec Dec

[greenteadrinkers]

DM for pictures, I'll respond as soon as possible. This is my first time 
posting stuff for sale, so please bear with me.

Thanks! 
Scott in Amherst MA

*Discord w(Right) Quill Stem* - 0mm Ceramic Clear Coat 
Condition: VG/VG-
Some light rust blemishes (which happens with the clear coat, although 
James removed that caveat from the product page). Also Installed on my 
SimpleOne, maybe a little over 50 miles of actual use. About 9 cm's from 
the base of the stem this a visible grove cut into the clear coat that's 
half the diameter of the stem.
https://analogcycles.com/products/analog-wright-stem
$195 new
*asking* *$145+ Shipping*.

*Discord Peeper Threadless Stem* - 30mm 
(currently out of stock at Analog)
Condition: Mint/Near mint 
Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only green and blue trails and 
easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total.
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-components-peeper-stem
$185 new
*asking* *$150+ Shipping*.

*Discord Chromo Creemee* *Threadless Stem *- 0mm Clear Coat 
(currently out of stock at Analog)
Condition: VG+/VG-
Some very light blemishes in the clear coat, you need to hold it under a 
light to clearly see. Installed on the Moonshiner, no hard ridding only 
green and blue trails and easy local single track, maybe 100 miles total. 
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-chromo-creemee-coming-soon
$195 new
*asking* *$150+ Shipping*.

*RH Oracle Ridge* (1) 700c x 48 Endurance Casing tire.
Condition: Mint/Near mint
Needed to replace a standard casing OR on my Sam, and asked my LBS to swap 
out the tire, oddly the Endurance casing sits wider than the standard 
casing, which ended up being a no-go for the Sam. The tire was installed 
tubeless and test rode in the parking lot, it's about as close to new as 
you'll find used.
$109 new, (that includes the $17 shipping fee from RH) 
*asking $80+ Shipping (price is for 1 tire, not a pair)*

*RH Oracle Ridge* (pair) 700c x 48 Standard tires.
Condition: VG/VG-
These have a lot of life left in them, I was having a problem keeping one 
of the tires inflated while set up as tubeless, my LBS said they have had 
very mixed experiences keeping standard casing RH tires inflated when set 
up tubeless. I think these would do well with inner tubes and provide 
plenty of miles.
$100 used for a fellow list member
*asking $55+ Shipping (price is for a pair)*

*Small Fabio's Chest - CLASSIC WAXED - (includes Pec Dec V1, selling as a 
set)*
Color: Doom'd Grey
Condition: VG+/VG- (closer to NM-)
Lovely bag, looked amazing on my black and cream Sam. That said, I wasn't 
into the ride feel, also the bag is total overkill for the kind of riding I 
do these days. The struts on the Pec Dec were cut to fit my Sam, you may 
need to order new struts for $23 from Riv. depending on fit.
Bag $270 new, Pec Dec, something like $50? new
* asking $225 +shipping for both*

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[RBW] Re: WTB WTT 31.8 shorty stem

[greenteadrinkers]

I have a 0mm uncoated 31.8 discord w(right) I want to sell, mounted on my 
SimpleOne with less than 50 miles of ride time, basically in new condition. 
LMK if you're interested.
Thanks!
Scott
On Wednesday, July 5, 2023 at 3:36:19 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Does anyone have a 31.8 discord w(right) 30mm or discord fingerling 50mm 
> stem gathering dust? Clear or black is fine.
>
> I bought a Crust Shaka bar but my Jim stem puts it too far away so I'd 
> love to trade you for either a lugged stem (26 clamp) i recently got or for 
> a face platter (I have a couple) or the Jim 4-Bolt TIG 31.8 8cm stem plus 
> some cash.
>
> Max
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[greenteadrinkers]

Hello Justus,

Wanted to ask what model Riv you touring on, noticed the third bottle cage 
and short (by Riv standards wheelbase), also are the tires 650b? if so how 
wide? curious about what those fenders can accommodate. Amazing build!
Thanks
Scott

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:07:24 PM UTC-4 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> One more from the central MN tour.
>
> [image: IMG_1167_small.jpg]
>
> -Justus
> Mpls, MN
>
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 5:25:07 PM UTC-5 J G wrote:
>
>> Back just a few days ago from this bike's first tour (with me) on a 280 
>> mile loop through central MN.
>>
>> Pictured here on the Lake Wobegon Trail somewhere near Albany, MN.
>>
>> Note the Salted Nut Roll ensuring my minty BL-R600 levers do not get 
>> scratched for a photo op.  
>>
>> Scratches need to be earned...
>>
>> [image: DSCF0699_small.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 1:44:12 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Pedaled a couple sections  of the Saturday route for the upcoming 
>>>  Asheville, NC Riv gathering (July 7, 8 & 9). Happy to report the air was 
>>> still cool and fresh in the deep woods - not so much in the city. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1497.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1498.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1499.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1500.jpeg]
>>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:12:53 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Takashi,
>>>> Looking at your (excellent) recent images, would you mind telling me 
>>>> what your bar and stem combo is, and a quick summation of the handling?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:35:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Takashi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Your beautiful photos always make me miss Japan. Keep 'em coming!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:26:48 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Visited the town of Hida Furukawa last weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A majestic *sanmon* (main gate of a Buddhist temple):
>>>>>> [image: DSC03134.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An alley:
>>>>>> [image: DSC03128.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A half-hour ride from the center of the town brought me to a steep 
>>>>>> land; I assume reclamation was a hard work here.
>>>>>> [image: DSC03123.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Takashi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Summer Riding Photos 2023

[greenteadrinkers]

Hello Takashi,
Looking at your (excellent) recent images, would you mind telling me what 
your bar and stem combo is, and a quick summation of the handling?
Thanks,
Scott

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 8:35:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Takashi,
>
> Your beautiful photos always make me miss Japan. Keep 'em coming!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 7:26:48 AM UTC-7 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Visited the town of Hida Furukawa last weekend.
>>
>> A majestic *sanmon* (main gate of a Buddhist temple):
>> [image: DSC03134.jpg]
>>
>> An alley:
>> [image: DSC03128.jpg]
>>
>> A half-hour ride from the center of the town brought me to a steep land; 
>> I assume reclamation was a hard work here.
>> [image: DSC03123.jpg]
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Modifying my Hillborne

[greenteadrinkers]

Hi wrigap1,
Just wanted to chime in with my experience using bar-ends and a Bosco Bar 
on my Sam, the combo works! You do need to be a little careful when doing a 
sharp turn while riding at 2 mph, otherwise, I love the combination on my 
Sam. The Bar-ends keep the bars open giving your hands a little more 
freedom. 
Best
Scott

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:10:28 AM UTC-4 Olivier Chételat wrote:

> Hello Wrigap1,
> the good folks at Parktool have taken bike repair tutorials very seriously 
> and the mustachioed man in their videos sure helped me going from barely 
> being able to adjust a saddle to building bikes from the frame up. 
> Here's the link: https://www.parktool.com/en-us/
> This should make swapping handlebars, brake levers and shifters a 
> relatively easy and painless operation. And fun to boot.
> Good luck!
> Oli in SF
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 11:10:25 PM UTC-7 wri...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good morning folks!
>>
>> I’ve recently been inspired by Eric Marth’s build videos on YouTube and 
>> want to change my Sam up a bit, mainly moving from road bars/bar end 
>> shifters to something like a Bosco or albatross with thumbies.  Problem is 
>> I’m not very familiar with changing parts out like brake levers, shifters 
>> etc.  Can anyone recommend some good resources to better understand this 
>> work, these parts and what’s compatible with what?  YouTube, books, 
>> whatever ya got. Truly appreciate any help y’all can give me.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

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Keith - super cool summation of swoop tubes! That evolution brings me back 
to a bike design I learned about in a thread from another article about ATB 
on bikepacking.com about Geoff Apps and his short and high Cleland Aventura 
off-road design. No idea how many got produced, but looks like a super fun 
bike, would love to spend a day on one of these. Here's a YT video of the 
design in action. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbWuIHESe5M

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 3:28:57 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> The Chunk looks interesting, but I'm kind of not quite getting it.  It 
> sort of looks like a Jones Spaceframe, but with too many seat stays, which 
> would prevent it from having the wonderful vertical flex that the rear end 
> of the spaceframe has.   It'a not unattractive -  I just tend to look for 
> lineage of ideas and the original rationalle behind them.  Maybe it's 
> enough just to be different and pretty.  
>
> Here's where my mind goes though.  Not intended to be comprehensive or 
> authoritative - just thinking about the "swoop-tube" and hoping the lugged 
> susie keeps it (comparison pics for illustration and for fun):
>
> - If fatback bent tubes on its fatbikes to get the necessary standover 
> when your feet sink into deep snow, then Ritchey built on that idea in a 
> more attractive way 
>
> - If Rivendell took the functionality and their love of step-throughs, and 
> raised the top tube a bit for rigidity and more versatile sizing, then Velo 
> orange seized on the idea as an aesthetic.  
>
> - Tanglefoot seemed to take the best of both ideas.  
>
>  I'm sure there's many historical examples of all these, since no idea is 
> new.  Or almost... 'caue then there's Jones.He started out trying to 
> get a non-suspension frame that flexed just enough to take the edge off of 
> things,  and the low top tube came about as a sort of happy accident. 
>  
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> The Crumbworks Chunk looks thrilling! Has the gorgeous lines of a Susie 
>> and the DNA of a 0mm drop-bar'd dropper posted Tanglefoot Hardtack.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:27:11 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I ride a Clem in the heart of the American South and it's macho enough 
>>> for me, not that I need a macho bicycle. I chatted with a biker (motorcycle 
>>> biker) at a gas station and he complimented the Clem and said it was cool. 
>>> If you need a "man's bike" that says more about you than the bike I think. 
>>> Shed those stereotypes and Just Ride.
>>> Doug
>>> [image: IMG_0330.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:33:19 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right you are, Bill - I knew I was taking a guess as I couldn't recall 
>>>> which it was.  But figured folks would know what I meant :)   The only 
>>>> thing I don't like about it is the bottle bosses on the curved top tube - 
>>>> just doesn't jive with the otherwise highly elegant appearance - two on 
>>>> the 
>>>> top of the DT and one on the bottom of the DT seem like plenty, especially 
>>>> with the fork mounts too.  It's 100/142 axle?  Kind of surprising with the 
>>>> 2.8" clearance. 
>>>>
>>>> I too would want threadless and more modern MTB axle standards for my 
>>>> dedicated off-road bike. I really, really want a Stooge mk6. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 16:25:09 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you and Jason both misspelling it "CHONK" ?  I've read about the 
>>>>> CHUNK?  Or is there another model actually called the CHONK?  
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming it's the CHUNK, I agree it's a cool looking bike.  It's like 
>>>>> a step through, upright bars, version of Patrick Moore's "RBFD" (Road 
>>>>> Bike 
>>>>> For Dirt).  It's definitely not a mountain bike, though.  It's got road 
>>>>> bike through axle spacing, and takes road bike disc brakes and rotors.  
>>>>> It's even got a 1" threaded steerer.  It's a disc brake Platypus, but it 
>>>>> takes fatter tires.  The closest thing to a Rivendell is that it's a disc 
>>>>> brake Susie Longbolts.  A svelte rider who knows how to ride light could 
>>>>> do 
>>>>> lots of dirt bombing on a disc brake Susie Longbolts.  It's definitely 
>>>>> less 
>>>>> stout than a Gus, in my opinion.  It's a very cool b

Re: [RBW] forthcoming Hillibike "combo" predictions?

[greenteadrinkers]

The Crumbworks Chunk looks thrilling! Has the gorgeous lines of a Susie and 
the DNA of a 0mm drop-bar'd dropper posted Tanglefoot Hardtack.

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:27:11 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I ride a Clem in the heart of the American South and it's macho enough for 
> me, not that I need a macho bicycle. I chatted with a biker (motorcycle 
> biker) at a gas station and he complimented the Clem and said it was cool. 
> If you need a "man's bike" that says more about you than the bike I think. 
> Shed those stereotypes and Just Ride.
> Doug
> [image: IMG_0330.jpeg]
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:33:19 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Right you are, Bill - I knew I was taking a guess as I couldn't recall 
>> which it was.  But figured folks would know what I meant :)   The only 
>> thing I don't like about it is the bottle bosses on the curved top tube - 
>> just doesn't jive with the otherwise highly elegant appearance - two on the 
>> top of the DT and one on the bottom of the DT seem like plenty, especially 
>> with the fork mounts too.  It's 100/142 axle?  Kind of surprising with the 
>> 2.8" clearance. 
>>
>> I too would want threadless and more modern MTB axle standards for my 
>> dedicated off-road bike. I really, really want a Stooge mk6. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 16:25:09 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Are you and Jason both misspelling it "CHONK" ?  I've read about the 
>>> CHUNK?  Or is there another model actually called the CHONK?  
>>>
>>> Assuming it's the CHUNK, I agree it's a cool looking bike.  It's like a 
>>> step through, upright bars, version of Patrick Moore's "RBFD" (Road Bike 
>>> For Dirt).  It's definitely not a mountain bike, though.  It's got road 
>>> bike through axle spacing, and takes road bike disc brakes and rotors.  
>>> It's even got a 1" threaded steerer.  It's a disc brake Platypus, but it 
>>> takes fatter tires.  The closest thing to a Rivendell is that it's a disc 
>>> brake Susie Longbolts.  A svelte rider who knows how to ride light could do 
>>> lots of dirt bombing on a disc brake Susie Longbolts.  It's definitely less 
>>> stout than a Gus, in my opinion.  It's a very cool bike, and there's 
>>> nothing quite like it.  Anybody who wanted a Susie but wished the Susie had 
>>> disc brakes should be PUMPED, pending geo-charts of course.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 11:27:19 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 That Crumbworks Chonk looks amazing! I’ve been thinking about it ever 
 since first seeing the photos. It’s like a mix between a Gus, a Platy, and 
 a Jones Spaceframe. So cool and lovely curves!

 On May 17, 2023, at 1:49 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:

 (and yes, I picture the Crumbworks Chonk as I describe it!) 



 On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 10:48:23 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I really, really want it to be a mountain mixte.  That would give it 
> the torsional stiffness that IMO a hillibike needs while still keeping 
> vertical compliance, and the low standover Grant (and others!) prefer for 
> an off-roader.  A mixte frame with 2.6" knobby tires and a nicely slacked 
> out front end would be a beauty. 
>
> On Tuesday, 16 May 2023 at 07:58:44 UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>
>> The Hunqapillar does have a certain forbidden fruit mystique.  I 
>> don't think I've heard any other Riv model mentioned as often in the 
>> context of wishing it would come back.   
>>
>> For me, the ultimate Riv would have been a 54 or 55 cm, 650b, single 
>> top-tube Bombadil.  I remember the 52 would have been my size, and too 
>> small, and the next largest size was way too big, and probably 700c, to 
>> boot.  I still may 650b my 54 Hunqapillar some day.  I'm guessing it 
>> wouldn't be hard to mostly hide disk brake tabs in elephant gray paint.
>>
>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:03:24 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> *If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer 
>>> version would just be an Appaloosa.*
>>>
>>> this is what i tell myself all the time. always wanted a hunq, but 
>>> ended up with an appa. i used to hate the long chain stays and i still 
>>> *prefer 
>>> *the hunq, but I i really like my appaloosa.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:39:49 PM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>>
 RBW have stated at least once that the Hunqapillar will come back, 
 but in a different form.  I hope that's what is coming in October.  

 If they didn't make major changes to the Hunqapillar, a newer 
 version would just be an Appaloosa.  Other than longer chainstays and 
 probably heavier tubes, the Appaloosa is very, very similar to the old 
 Hunqapillar, at least in the mid-sizes (ie, 54 Hunq, 55 Appaloosa).   
 I 
 would love to ride my 54 

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[greenteadrinkers]

Not to totally change the conversation around brake preferences, but I 
thought Jason pointed out a few things I find exciting about the Charlie H 
Gallop. A "scrawny Hillibike" and "650b for the middle sizes". Maybe a 
little down the road, the Charlie H Gallop could become a template for 
another design, envisioning something in the spirit of the Atlantis or 
Appaloosa but droop tubed. Maybe a scrawny Susie, more road-friendly but 
still rough trail able. Charlie H Gallop's brawnier sibling? I know getting 
ahead of things here, but love the direction Charlie H Gallop is pointing.
Scott

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:56:43 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I have zero issues with the effectiveness of sidepulls. I used them for 
> years and years. I just think that the cantiposts gives you a lot more 
> options for brakes (cant's, v, or mini-v) AND allow for using larger tires.
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:31 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> I remember back in the days before V-brakes and disc brakes when numerous 
>> cyclo-tourists and Tour de France racers were going over cliffs on mountain 
>> descents because sidepulls and centerpulls don't work - *N**OT.*  
>> But I do remember when you adjusted the toe-in of your brake pad by 
>> twisting the caliper arms with a big crescent wrench in order to eliminate 
>> squeal.
>>
>> Laing
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:02:03 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm one of the few people who prefer sidepulls over cantis or v-brakes. 
>>> I bought one of the last Cheviots, which had sidepull caliper brakes for my 
>>> wife. I wouldn't have bought it if it had required V-brakes or Cantis as I 
>>> have never been able to even replace brake pads on those without causing 
>>> squeal. I actually think that Disc brakes are better than either of those 
>>> for my riding style, though not as good as sidepulls. In any case, as Joe 
>>> pointed out --- there are plenty of canti or v-brake bikes in the Rivendell 
>>> lineup. No need to begrudge us sidepull fans 3 models.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:13:39 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I would have to agree with that thinking, the number of "use v-brakes 
 and sweptback bars" frames in the lineup is already extensive. I don't 
 think the Gallop benefits (from a marketing perspective) from moving 
 closer 
 to the Hillborne's mission. 

 On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:35:05 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Yeah I think it had to do with the brake pull situation. Most road 
> brakes won't match with v brakes which means if you have a road setup vs 
> a 
> mountain setup you would need cantis or mini-v's. Since there are 
> decreasing options for cantis they were leaning on mini-v's but I guess 
> they didn't care for the options there. So they went back on the 
> "designed 
> for sweptbacks" and decided to push the albastache bars and road brakes. 
> This is all a theory based on some of the stuff I remember reading from 
> them.
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:07:55 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Correct; last word is that production will use long reach sidepulls. 
>> Rarely has this entire group been so unanimously in opposition of a 
>> design 
>> decision from Riv as their choosing to do so. I am very curious why they 
>> went with this decision - the argument that it's a road-ish bike and 
>> therefore caliper brakes make sense is a flimsy one.  
>>
>> Especially considering how much tire the proto's fit!  For fun, I 
>> tried 650x55 (note: frame is 700c) and there was actually loads of 
>> clearance on the frame - at least 8mm everywhere. Fork was tighter but 
>> still about 4mm clearance. Not much reason to do this vs. a Susie but it 
>> was a fun experiment. 
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 5:43 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>>> Are there not going to be canti mounts on the production? That’s a 
>>> huge mistake (deal breaker) in my opinion. These look like such a nice 
>>> and 
>>> fun bikes!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was 
 surprised when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production 
 models 
 had canti posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked 
 bike. I 
 recently took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some 
 single track adventures. It was meant to be temporary but the 
 lightened 
 front end feels so good.. makes me want to have a different dedicated 
 basket rack/fender city bike. Bikesnob had some similar musings about 
 his 
 rock combo and homer recently.

 On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Thanks Dustin, 

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Is there a short "under-top-tube" bag that is not a frame bag and snugs up to the head tube?

[greenteadrinkers]

The other day I happened to notice Analog has a BlueLug top tube bag that 
might fit your need: 
https://analogcycles.com/products/fairweather-weird-top-tube-bag

Scott

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 9:22:51 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Re: Corner bag, it doesn’t look like there’s an attachment point at the 
> pointy end… but it would probably work if your frame had a really short 
> head tube.
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 9:02 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks; the Corner Bag might work, but can they attach at the short end to 
> the head tube? I couldn't quite make that out.
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 5:03 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, have you looked at the Fairweather line of bags that Blue Lug 
>> sells (as their own bag brand)? They have quite a few different frame and 
>> half frame options, as well as some pretty nifty wedge bags that are made 
>> to fit in the space behind the seat tube for those who own Clems, Platys, 
>> Gus / Susie, etc.
>>
>> Here's a link (there's a lot of Fairweather stuff that's not just bags, 
>> so you may need to click through several pages):
>> https://global.bluelug.com/brands/fairweather.html
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 6:57:04 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Oveja Negra does give dimension if you scroll all the way down. I was 
>>> just looking at them. Also, my very favorite folks to deal with & top notch 
>>> quality. All handmade in Colorado.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2023, at 6:31 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Just looked at site; the dummies don't give dimensions. Does anyone know 
>>> them for the Small?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 4:08 PM Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> Like this?

>>> 
 Superwedgie™ Frame Bag 
 
 ovejanegrabikepacking.com 
 
 


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 17, 2023, at 5:45 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:

 
 Bags by Bird “Better Half”?
 
 Better Half - Small Short (S-M Bikes) 
 
 bagsxbird.com 
 
 


 On Apr 17, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Steven Sweedler  wrote:

 
 Patrick, take a look at this Jandd bag
 https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FFP
 might be a few inches longer than you like
 Steve

 On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 5:37 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Is there a smallish bag that fits under the top tube at the front of 
> the top tube and cinches to the head tube?
>
> I've owned many top-of-top-tube bags like the Revelate Gas Tank and 
> several frame bags that fit along the full length of the tube under the 
> top 
> tube. I've also had top tube bags that snug up against the seat tube. But 
> I've never seen a short bag no more than 12" long and no more than 6" 
> deep 
> that fits under the top tube and straps to the head tube. Does anyone 
> know 
> of such a bag?
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] WTB Nitto F32

[greenteadrinkers]

Curious if anyone has an extra F32 they might want to sell or trade parts 
for.

Thanks,
Scott

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[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[greenteadrinkers]

I'm also considering the ATB route, not sure if I'm up for a full 50 miles, 
wondering if there are any bailouts?

Scott

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB 
> route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will need 
> to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)
>
> Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I love 
> that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...
>
> Max
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Max,
>>
>> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will attempt 
>> the ATB route. 
>>
>> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam Hillborne 
>> back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>>
>>
>> Charlie 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?
>>>
>>> I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
>>> actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.
>>>
>>> Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa on 
>>> 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed Bombadil 
>>> on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?
>>>
>>> Details here: 
>>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/
>>>
>>> Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks from 
>>> the group in person.
>>>
>>> Max 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: That 7-speed 13-42 cassette

[greenteadrinkers]

Hi, Slin - did you need to use a derailleur extender with the 13-42 
cassette? If not curious how well the front 24 and rear 42 work together. 
Maybe this has more to do with what a particular RD can handle/wrap.

Thanks,
Scott

On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 6:49:03 PM UTC-4 Slin wrote:

> JS -
>
> For a few months now, I've been using the 13-42 on my Clem with the stock 
> 38/24 chain rings. I've rarely switched to the 24, so if I were setting it 
> up again, I'd be comfortable using it as a 1x.
>
> 90% of my use is hauling kids over small hills in SF, and a bit of trail 
> riding.
>
> I'd say it could be great for your use case too!
>
> S
> On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 5:36:46 PM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Greetings 
>> Is anyone using that "Jim" cassette and, if so, are you pairing it with a 
>> double or going 1x?
>> How's is working for you?
>> Thinking of using it 1x for a townie / grocery getter Chev.
>> thanks
>> JS
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 32F mini front rack

[greenteadrinkers]

Just for general knowledge, I recently installed a 32F on my 54cm Sam with 
Shimano Deore V-Brakes, plenty of clearance, and zero interference. Can't 
speak to any other combo, but if you have a 54 Sam with V-brakes, rest 
assured it will work (some light bending required). 

I'm super curious if anyone has mounted a Nitto NR20 to a 700c frame set. 
Might be one of those situations where you just have to buy and bend.

Scott


On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 11:37:44 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Don't have one but can confirm it fits an Appa BUT..it fits better with 
> cantilever brakes. The horizontal cable on v-brakes tends to interfere with 
> the center strut on those racks. 
>
> On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 8:29:27 PM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks,
>>
>> Anybody have one collecting dust?  These bolt on to an RBW Joe Appa fork, 
>> correct?
>>
>> Thanks, Doug
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] FD question

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Eric Norris - thanks! Wow, Alex Singer!

Eric Marth - Thanks! Currently, I'm running a Shimano Altus M310, however, 
I recently procured (from a fellow list member) a NOS Shimano XTR Rapid 
Rise RD, I think it was Shimano's final iteration. Not quite as svelte as 
something by Shimano from the 70s, but I think certainly a beautiful object 
in its own right. The Jubilee is just totally gorgeous.

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Scott — I haven't run this combo but I think it will work. The seat 
> tubes on your Sam should be 28.6. 
>
> Older, svelte road front derailers without ramps typically work well with 
> wide range doubles. 
>
> Jan, for a time at least, ran a Sachs-Huret front derailer on his mule 
> with a 44/28. The design is very similar to the Jubilee. 
>
> What are you running for a derailer out back to match the refined beauty 
> of the Jubilee? 
>
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 1:27:33 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> My Alex Singer has 48/32 chainrings, and a Jubilee front derailleur works 
>> just fine.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2023, at 10:23 AM, greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Considering sourcing a Huret Jubilee Front Derailleur for my Sam.
>>
>> Currently, I have Sugino XD2 Bash guard / 40 / 24 and a Jim 11/36 7-speed 
>> cassette. The FD is a newer Shimano, not sure which model. The Shimano 
>> tends to drop the chain when shifting from the 40 to the 24. I've been 
>> hearing good things regarding the Jubilee for a wide double, so thought I'd 
>> give one a go. The diameter is 28.6, would anyone happen to know the outer 
>> diameter of the seat tube on a Sam? Also, does anyone have experience using 
>> a Jubilee with a wide double? I know there's a lot of trial and error in 
>> getting things just right, but doesn't hurt to pull from shared experiences.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Scott
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[RBW] FD question

[greenteadrinkers]

Considering sourcing a Huret Jubilee Front Derailleur for my Sam.

Currently, I have Sugino XD2 Bash guard / 40 / 24 and a Jim 11/36 7-speed 
cassette. The FD is a newer Shimano, not sure which model. The Shimano 
tends to drop the chain when shifting from the 40 to the 24. I've been 
hearing good things regarding the Jubilee for a wide double, so thought I'd 
give one a go. The diameter is 28.6, would anyone happen to know the outer 
diameter of the seat tube on a Sam? Also, does anyone have experience using 
a Jubilee with a wide double? I know there's a lot of trial and error in 
getting things just right, but doesn't hurt to pull from shared experiences.

Thanks!
Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[greenteadrinkers]

I has pulling this together last night and forgot to hit send...

For $50 1 Up also offers a front wheel stop add-on for use with fenders...
https://www.1up-usa.com/product/wheel-stop/

Maybe the wheel stop and the fender pads lightly secured would be a good 
solution, but that also adds around $80 per bike on top of the rack cost.

The Swagman looks nice and priced well below a 2-bike 1 Up Heavy Duty, and 
Jason can vouch for it. I think if I'd known about the Swagman, I might 
have bought it over the 1 Up only to save some $$$.

A couple of things to consider, the Swagman is rated at 35 lb per bike, and 
it's limited to 2 bikes. The 1 Up Heavy Duty is off-road rated and can 
expand to carry up to 4 bikes with a total carry capacity of 200 lb. The 
rack itself weighs 46 lb it's not light, but manageable. I find the latch 
system to raise and lower the rack kinda difficult to operate. The more 
expensive 1Up Equip-D seems much more streamlined and easier to operate. 
Also expandable to 4 bikes. If money isn't an issue I'd spring for 
the Equip-D.

It might be worth comparing 1Up to the Saris MHS, which seems more of an 
apple-to-apple situation in terms of design.
https://saris.com/products/mhs-3-1-base-2-hitch

The 3-bike Saris MHS package is $1300, there was a YouTube review I watched 
that stated that the rack with 2 sleds weighs around 100 lb also I can't 
seem to find any fender add-ons.

I suspect under normal driving conditions the Swagman with 2 heavy Rivs 
might be fine, however, I'd be a bit more cautious about longer off-road 
trips. The 1Up is definitely a fast set-it-and-forget-it solution. Loading 
and unloading a bike takes little to no time. But again, the latch to raise 
and lower the rack is a bit of a pain in the butt. The Equip-D solves that 
issue.

Last winter I drove to South Florida from Western MA with my Tanglefoot and 
my wife's Hogsback strapped to the back of a RAV4 with the Saris Bones 
rack. The Bones worked fine, but I was in constant fear that at any moment 
the straps would fail and our bikes would end up under an 18-wheeler. After 
that, my neighbor who is a single-speed mnt bike racer and competitive 
bikepacker (recently completed the Vermont Super 8 for the second time) 
suggested the 1Up, his is over 10 years old without any failures or fixes 
used in tough conditions.

I'd say the Swagman isn't a big investment for someone to give it a go, the 
1Up is way more of an investment. You could probably sell the Swagman on 
CraigsList fairly easily if it didn't work out.

Hope some of this helps.

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:31:44 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Great suggestions all.  Jason, the Swagman is near the limits on weight 
> for my Betty since it has fenders, dyno, etc.  The other bike will most 
> likely be a Surly Disc Trucker so both will be towards the 35 lb max weight 
> limit.
>
> Max mentioned a Saris which has a higher weight limit.  Max, do you have a 
> picture on the rack?  Does it stabilize the frame?  Where?  I see something 
> in the picture but can't see close up to see where, how it attaches to the 
> bike in the middle.
>
> The 1up price and fender cushions concern me.   I have the SKS plastic 
> fenders and don't want to break them.
> Thank you everyone for your suggestions.
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have one of these Swagman racks that have fender-friendly trays and 
>> then a hook that clamps down on the top tube - and works totally fine with 
>> step-thru frames as the hook can all the way down to the bottom if it needs 
>> to.  We use it with my partner's fendered dutch bikes and any of my bikes 
>> (except the 20" wheels and smaller) 
>> https://www.swagman.ca/collections/hitch-mount-racks/products/xtc2-hitch-mount
>>
>> On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 11:09:24 UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Hey! That’s cool, thanks Scott. Time to make some fender cushions.
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:56, greenteadrinkers  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If your car has a hitch with a 2" receiver and you can afford it, don't 
>>> waste your money on anything other than a 1Up. You can get a single-bike 
>>> heavy-duty rack for $430, the rack is expandable for up to 4 bikes, with 
>>> each bike weighing no more than 50 lbs.
>>>
>>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/
>>>
>>> 1Up also offers a solution to accommodate fenders, which cost $13 per 
>>> wheel: 
>>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/
>>>
>>> IMO, don't waste your time or money on anything else.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>>
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[greenteadrinkers]

Interesting... was just watching a video via Radavist called "Rivendell 
Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone (First Ride) @ Marshall Canyon" at around 
6 min 30 seconds in the rider has to stop and tighten his quill 4-bolt face 
plater and manages to break one of the bolts! Looks like the stem is paired 
with a Losco. Gotta love the "You guys have beach cruisers" comment from a 
passerby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbD6sgowP58=407s

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 3:14:35 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Looks great! BL does a really nice job with the spacers. Would be super 
> cool to see a quill version of the V5.
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:48:06 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My Bluelug package arrived yesterday - a day early - in great shape and 
>> no missing items. I think it was 4 days, maybe 5. Happy & stunned.
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 17, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Watch out - ordering from blue lug can become a problem. The first order 
>> shows up in 4 days. The next thing you know you have another package coming 
>> with "just a few more parts to finish the build". 
>>
>>
>> DHL is a bit weird on their brokerage as they charge a flat rate fee for 
>> their time which is a bit annoying, but not the worst. They are also 
>> extremely reliable and great for scheduling delivery and drop offs. Paying 
>> fees online etc. 
>>
>> I find their prices are fantastic for items manufactured in Japan. You 
>> get to avoid paying the shop price markup on them importing the item. You 
>> just pay shipping+ brokerage yourself with no mark up. Plus they just have 
>> tons of lovely small detailed items like bolt covers, reflectors, nets, etc 
>> that are difficult to find in other places. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:22:33 AM UTC-8 jad...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I found circles to have lower shipping rates and lightening fast 
>>> service. I am in zip 59808 (Montana) and 4 days from order to delivery..
>>> https://shop.circles-jp.com/en
>>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 8:08:36 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
>>>> The few times I've placed orders with BL have been easy with very fast 
>>>> shipping. If you give feedback about the site's performance they usually 
>>>> add a bunch of cool stickers.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:34:56 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well that was easy. I’ve been reluctant to order any bike parts from 
>>>>> out of the country, not sure why. But I pulled the trigger yesterday on a 
>>>>> V5 & appropriate spacers from Bluelug. A very user friendly website & 
>>>>> reasonable shipping. Estimated delivery next week! Not sure if there will 
>>>>> be any additional fees? 
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 16, 2023, at 2:55 PM, greenteadrinkers  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just mounted a Billie bar to my V5, I would say both Choco, and 
>>>>> Billie bars are compatible. Regarding the Bosco Bullmoose, I agree with 
>>>>> Keith's comment above. Below, is the Billie bar with the V5. Also, a few 
>>>>> details show the space between the stem and the front cap of the stem, 
>>>>> looking at images at Blue Lug, there is no gap, guessing that's not a big 
>>>>> issue, but thought I'd point it out. The bolt extends outside of the rear 
>>>>> port, so there's no loss in bolt length. Wow, wonder how much ($$$) a 
>>>>> modern remake of the Slingshot would cost?
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Interesting; I just glommed on the V5, which I'd not seen before. It 
>>>>>> seems to be a good design for bars where the moment of force is 
>>>>>> relatively 
>>>>>> high, like many of the current Rivendell bars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Curious: I can see how a Technomic would be wholly overwhelmed by a 
>>>>>> Bosco. But what about a wide-faced, 4-bolt single-clamp stem? 

Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[greenteadrinkers]

Looks great! BL does a really nice job with the spacers. Would be super 
cool to see a quill version of the V5.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:48:06 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Bluelug package arrived yesterday - a day early - in great shape and no 
> missing items. I think it was 4 days, maybe 5. Happy & stunned.
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 17, 2023, at 4:17 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
>
> Watch out - ordering from blue lug can become a problem. The first order 
> shows up in 4 days. The next thing you know you have another package coming 
> with "just a few more parts to finish the build". 
>
>
> DHL is a bit weird on their brokerage as they charge a flat rate fee for 
> their time which is a bit annoying, but not the worst. They are also 
> extremely reliable and great for scheduling delivery and drop offs. Paying 
> fees online etc. 
>
> I find their prices are fantastic for items manufactured in Japan. You get 
> to avoid paying the shop price markup on them importing the item. You just 
> pay shipping+ brokerage yourself with no mark up. Plus they just have tons 
> of lovely small detailed items like bolt covers, reflectors, nets, etc that 
> are difficult to find in other places. 
>
> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 7:22:33 AM UTC-8 jad...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I found circles to have lower shipping rates and lightening fast service. 
>> I am in zip 59808 (Montana) and 4 days from order to delivery..
>> https://shop.circles-jp.com/en
>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 8:08:36 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> The few times I've placed orders with BL have been easy with very fast 
>>> shipping. If you give feedback about the site's performance they usually 
>>> add a bunch of cool stickers.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:34:56 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well that was easy. I’ve been reluctant to order any bike parts from 
>>>> out of the country, not sure why. But I pulled the trigger yesterday on a 
>>>> V5 & appropriate spacers from Bluelug. A very user friendly website & 
>>>> reasonable shipping. Estimated delivery next week! Not sure if there will 
>>>> be any additional fees? 
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2023, at 2:55 PM, greenteadrinkers  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just mounted a Billie bar to my V5, I would say both Choco, and Billie 
>>>> bars are compatible. Regarding the Bosco Bullmoose, I agree with Keith's 
>>>> comment above. Below, is the Billie bar with the V5. Also, a few details 
>>>> show the space between the stem and the front cap of the stem, looking at 
>>>> images at Blue Lug, there is no gap, guessing that's not a big issue, but 
>>>> thought I'd point it out. The bolt extends outside of the rear port, so 
>>>> there's no loss in bolt length. Wow, wonder how much ($$$) a modern remake 
>>>> of the Slingshot would cost?
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Interesting; I just glommed on the V5, which I'd not seen before. It 
>>>>> seems to be a good design for bars where the moment of force is 
>>>>> relatively 
>>>>> high, like many of the current Rivendell bars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Curious: I can see how a Technomic would be wholly overwhelmed by a 
>>>>> Bosco. But what about a wide-faced, 4-bolt single-clamp stem? The only 
>>>>> examples of these last are the Ritchey 4-bolt faceplate threadless stems 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> have on 2 bikes, but I wonder if these might hold a Bosco in place firmly 
>>>>> without requiring over tightening of the bolts?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not an idle question; I may try a bosco or tosco or some other 
>>>>> such long sweepback bar on the Monocog 29er, and I'd not want to have to 
>>>>> buy a new V5 stem as well as a new, expensive, bar.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick, just in case it isn't clear:  The V5 stem probably only works 
>>>>> with Nitto-made bars.  The Tosco, even in the narrower 25.4 versions, 
>>>>> lack 
>>>>> the long sleeve

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[greenteadrinkers]

Wow, the Swagman looks nice! Way more affordable than a 2-bike super duty 1 
Up.

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have one of these Swagman racks that have fender-friendly trays and then 
> a hook that clamps down on the top tube - and works totally fine with 
> step-thru frames as the hook can all the way down to the bottom if it needs 
> to.  We use it with my partner's fendered dutch bikes and any of my bikes 
> (except the 20" wheels and smaller) 
> https://www.swagman.ca/collections/hitch-mount-racks/products/xtc2-hitch-mount
>
> On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 11:09:24 UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Hey! That’s cool, thanks Scott. Time to make some fender cushions.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:56, greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>>
>> If your car has a hitch with a 2" receiver and you can afford it, don't 
>> waste your money on anything other than a 1Up. You can get a single-bike 
>> heavy-duty rack for $430, the rack is expandable for up to 4 bikes, with 
>> each bike weighing no more than 50 lbs.
>>
>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/
>>
>> 1Up also offers a solution to accommodate fenders, which cost $13 per 
>> wheel: 
>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/
>>
>> IMO, don't waste your time or money on anything else.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 1up also and have experienced interference with the fenders and 
>>> the front rack/basket. I’m not sure any ideal combo of rack exists if you 
>>> have these things on your bike. I certainly tried to find a solution that 
>>> keeps the bike off the roof, and keeps bikes from rubbing/banging together. 
>>> The 1up was the closest I could find to ideal. 
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 09:15, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my 
>>> full coverage rear fender. What do you think?
>>>
>>> I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s 
>>> Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.
>>>
>>> Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step 
>>> throughs/mixtes.
>>>
>>> I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any 
>>> luck with those?
>>>
>>> Toshi in Oakland 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 
>>>> 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an 
>>>> xl 
>>>> Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Jacob
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
>>>> NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but 
>>>> I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus 
>>>> at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
>>>> made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
>>>> fenders).
>>>>
>>>> Joyce
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my 
>>>>>> fendered Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for 
>>>>>> fenders.  
>>>>>> And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through. 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> This isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[greenteadrinkers]

If your car has a hitch with a 2" receiver and you can afford it, don't 
waste your money on anything other than a 1Up. You can get a single-bike 
heavy-duty rack for $430, the rack is expandable for up to 4 bikes, with 
each bike weighing no more than 50 lbs.
https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/

1Up also offers a solution to accommodate fenders, which cost $13 per 
wheel: 
https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/

IMO, don't waste your time or money on anything else.

Scott



On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> I have a 1up also and have experienced interference with the fenders and 
> the front rack/basket. I’m not sure any ideal combo of rack exists if you 
> have these things on your bike. I certainly tried to find a solution that 
> keeps the bike off the roof, and keeps bikes from rubbing/banging together. 
> The 1up was the closest I could find to ideal. 
>
> On Feb 20, 2023, at 09:15, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my 
> full coverage rear fender. What do you think?
>
> I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s Betty, 
> but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.
>
> Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step 
> throughs/mixtes.
>
> I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any 
> luck with those?
>
> Toshi in Oakland 
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:
>
> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 
>> 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an xl 
>> Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> -Jacob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
>> NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but 
>> I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus 
>> at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:
>>
>> The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
>> made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
>> fenders).
>>
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>
>>> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
 Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
 hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
 isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[greenteadrinkers]

The few times I've placed orders with BL have been easy with very fast 
shipping. If you give feedback about the site's performance they usually 
add a bunch of cool stickers.

On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 9:34:56 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well that was easy. I’ve been reluctant to order any bike parts from out 
> of the country, not sure why. But I pulled the trigger yesterday on a V5 & 
> appropriate spacers from Bluelug. A very user friendly website & reasonable 
> shipping. Estimated delivery next week! Not sure if there will be any 
> additional fees? 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 16, 2023, at 2:55 PM, greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
> Just mounted a Billie bar to my V5, I would say both Choco, and Billie 
> bars are compatible. Regarding the Bosco Bullmoose, I agree with Keith's 
> comment above. Below, is the Billie bar with the V5. Also, a few details 
> show the space between the stem and the front cap of the stem, looking at 
> images at Blue Lug, there is no gap, guessing that's not a big issue, but 
> thought I'd point it out. The bolt extends outside of the rear port, so 
> there's no loss in bolt length. Wow, wonder how much ($$$) a modern remake 
> of the Slingshot would cost?
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Interesting; I just glommed on the V5, which I'd not seen before. It 
>> seems to be a good design for bars where the moment of force is relatively 
>> high, like many of the current Rivendell bars.
>>
>> Curious: I can see how a Technomic would be wholly overwhelmed by a 
>> Bosco. But what about a wide-faced, 4-bolt single-clamp stem? The only 
>> examples of these last are the Ritchey 4-bolt faceplate threadless stems I 
>> have on 2 bikes, but I wonder if these might hold a Bosco in place firmly 
>> without requiring over tightening of the bolts?
>>
>> This is not an idle question; I may try a bosco or tosco or some other 
>> such long sweepback bar on the Monocog 29er, and I'd not want to have to 
>> buy a new V5 stem as well as a new, expensive, bar.
>>
>>
>> Patrick, just in case it isn't clear:  The V5 stem probably only works 
>> with Nitto-made bars.  The Tosco, even in the narrower 25.4 versions, lack 
>> the long sleeve swaged onto the clamp area.  On nitto bars,  i know it 
>> works with the Bosco, but I think it might even be worth double checking to 
>> make sure the sleeve is long enough on the Billie, Chaco, Wavie, etc.  
>> Starting with the Billie bar, Nitto adopted a new manufacturing method that 
>> combined a bulged section WITH a sleeve.  For the Bosco and older models, 
>> the  clamp diameter was made up entirely with a swaged sleeve - like their 
>> drop bars.
>>
>> Regarding clamp force:  Ive experimented with boscos quite a bit.  I 
>> found a steel, ritchey force stem  with a broad clamp surface, to be 
>> adequate, even with a single bolt.  I was eventually able to get them to 
>> work in a technomic stem, and not slip after tightening enough, but found 
>> this unsatisfactory for another reason.  The aluminum bars flex in a 
>> torsional way, and the narrower clamp width exacerbated this.  I think this 
>> anti-torsion characteristic of wide clamps would be the best part of the V5 
>> stem.
>>
>> Ultimately, I found the steel bullmoose version to be the only Bosco I 
>> can use - despite wishing the angle was different (I wish the ends angled 
>> down more).  The steel is less flexy and the effective stem length is 150mm 
>> which is still barely long enough.  It's hard to find long stems these 
>> days.  (This is the problem with the OG slingshot stems, especially.  I 
>> have one in my parts bin and keep hoping to use it, but it never works.  
>> I'll eventually get custom bars for it.)
>>
>> All of this became moot for me, once the Tosco came out.  It offers all 
>> of the bosco benefits while fixing most of its  flaws.  But, as I noted, it 
>> won't work with the V5 stem unfortunately.
>>  
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:45 AM greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>> I love the V5, here are some pictures of the v5 with a Choco on my 
>> Moonshiner. If I was going to use a non-moose Bosco on a Gus, I would only 
>> use a v5, I had a non-moose Bosco with a Technomic on my Sam, and had to 
>> use a shim, the bar would slip unless I tightened the stem as hard down as 
>> absolutely possible. Now I have a Bosco Moose on the Sam, perfection! So... 
>> 100% no go Bosco/Technomic for off-road roughstuff unless

Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[greenteadrinkers]

Thanks for the Moonshiner compliments! 

Patrick - I can't speak to a 4-bolt faceplate threadless. Currently, I have 
a Bosco with a Technomic on my Simple One, the stem is over-tightened and 
is now stable without slipping. That said, I'm not sure I'd venture over 
anything rougher than moderate gravel roads.  I should also be clear that I 
have not tested a Bosco wit the V5, but I can't think of a stronger 
solution for mating a Bosco with a threadless stem. The folks at Blue Lug 
are wonderful and assertive designers! Who else would design a stem like 
the V5? My only slight gripe - the gap left between the two mounting points 
on the stem is somewhat unsightly, but it leaves a perfect place to mount a 
battery light or GPS device. 

Regarding 700c, the Moonshiner was designed to accept both 650b and 700c, 
just not sure what the max width at 700c is, and you might run into toe 
overlap issues.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:22:35 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I forgot to add: Very nice Moonshiner. And: too bad that the Moonshiner 
> takes 650Bs and not 700Cs; otherwise I'd be very interested indeed. But 
> despite Jan's deprecation, in my own not inconsiderable experience, taller 
> tires do very much float better over sand and more smoothly over small 
> high-amplitude bumps (eg, washboard) compared to smaller tires; in my own 
> case, 29 1/2" 700C 60s compared to 27.0" 559 60s at the same pressures.
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Interesting; I just glommed on the V5, which I'd not seen before. It 
>> seems to be a good design for bars where the moment of force is relatively 
>> high, like many of the current Rivendell bars.
>>
>> Curious: I can see how a Technomic would be wholly overwhelmed by a 
>> Bosco. But what about a wide-faced, 4-bolt single-clamp stem? The only 
>> examples of these last are the Ritchey 4-bolt faceplate threadless stems I 
>> have on 2 bikes, but I wonder if these might hold a Bosco in place firmly 
>> without requiring over tightening of the bolts?
>>
>> This is not an idle question; I may try a bosco or tosco or some other 
>> such long sweepback bar on the Monocog 29er, and I'd not want to have to 
>> buy a new V5 stem as well as a new, expensive, bar.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:45 AM greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love the V5, here are some pictures of the v5 with a Choco on my 
>>> Moonshiner. If I was going to use a non-moose Bosco on a Gus, I would only 
>>> use a v5, I had a non-moose Bosco with a Technomic on my Sam, and had to 
>>> use a shim, the bar would slip unless I tightened the stem as hard down as 
>>> absolutely possible. Now I have a Bosco Moose on the Sam, perfection! So... 
>>> 100% no go Bosco/Technomic for off-road roughstuff unless mated with a v5, 
>>> I say this from experience. An aside, if you order a v5 from Blue Lug check 
>>> out the brass spacers or the Nitto spacers, both are fabricated to mate 
>>> perfectly with the v5.
>>
>>
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[greenteadrinkers]

Just noticed there's a large Hunqapiller listed on eBay (no relation to 
seller).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155394994996?hash=item242e437334:g:9qAAAOSw1h5j4Cpb=enc%3AAQAHoKAyvKnSGl9k%2BQm%2B0Y9exG1HE1M7iS%2B9idCmGgqZhGGIUO0f2BoMMp3k96mKzAKMDS7swuNebD3Vf39rcUw2%2Bki8I8i23%2FYLMCLIYjFCjEPLn2RseELoecHbK5e6bVU%2BM5QfDSems%2BB3aRvBxyahSZHNKGcrag4fWFta4kEiyGQbilvv6QIBf%2BsW1QmpTzgGS%2BrgOrY2klKrwuTa83ue4Q4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6Cb_vPGYQ

On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 3:59:49 PM UTC-5 frank_a wrote:

>
> There were two versions of the seat sandwich. One for the single bolt 
> Laprade style post and another for a two-bolt Campagnolo post. I seem to 
> remember the longer bolt being included.
> [image: 61F75E16-DABC-4680-A3C0-982BCB1B00B5.jpeg]
> - Frank
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 8:18:32 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> B72 on Breezer seat sandwich on Nitto lugged seatpost. Had to modify for 
>> the two bolt post and special order the 7mm longer bolts.
>>
>> [image: B72side s.jpg]
>>
>> [image: B72 Breezer s.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 10:59:20 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Those Breezer seat sandwiches are so hard to find.  I did, however, find 
>>> a 3D printing plan for one that someone put on Thingiverse.  I had 
>>> Shapeways print it in glass-filled nylon, and it's been working pretty well 
>>> with the B-72 on my Hunq.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 9:08:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 After reading that, I may have to put my Brooks B-72 with the Breezer 
 Seat Sandwich on the Bombadil. Just sitting on the shelf now, used to be 
 on 
 my fatbike. Mine is a later version (bought new less than 10 years ago) 
 with a black frame. Makes me want to get the frame plated.

 Laing

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

>
> Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
> https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
>> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, 
>>> Mystery Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, 
>>> Rivendell Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, 
>>> Rosco 
>>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh has been sold since the picture was taken.
>>>
>>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying 
>>> Pigeons, 2 Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  
>>> Kent 
>>> Cavalier (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>>
>>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on film

[greenteadrinkers]

Amazing images! Wanted to ask what *rack* are you using to support the 
black Carridce (Nelson Long flap?).

Scott
Amherst MA

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 12:19:25 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:

> Looking at my Flickr stream, I only found two photos of my Riv taken with 
> a film camera. I thought I had done more over the years, but maybe I just 
> haven't scanned them and put them up.
> https://flic.kr/p/67KheV
> https://flic.kr/p/67PtfS
>
> They're obviously taken one after the other, back on Pi Day of 2009. I 
> don't recall if I had any pie that day. Anyway, I have long since sold that 
> Fuji GA645zi medium format "monster point and shoot" (of course, I sold it 
> before the prices exploded...grumble), but I do ride my Quickbeam when I'm 
> taking the large format 4x5" Ebony camera out to shoot at local gardens. I 
> just haven't yet turned the lens on the bike, maybe I will next time.
>
> That Fuji camera had a data back, so it could imprint focal length and 
> exposure information in the gap between frames, which was quite handy. 
>
> Drew
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:29:44 AM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> Thanks Eric! I appreciate all your contributions to this forum.
>>
>> Thank you Shoji, I bought the frames secondhand from 2 different owners. 
>> By coincidence I ended up with 2 Waterfords with custom paint that I did 
>> not pick but I am enjoying the colors as well, they really blend in with 
>> the landscape.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 7:06:24 AM UTC-8 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>>> Great colors-- something special about film. 
>>>
>>> Speaking of colors, I love that color on the Atlantis.
>>>
>>> Shoji
>>> Arlington MA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 8:46:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dang, Jamin, these are great. I especially like that pic of your Homer 
 in shadow with the mountains in the sun. Really good! 

 On Wednesday, February 8, 2023 at 8:17:57 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:

> Accidentally posted this to ibob so I'm moving it here! (pretty 
> Rivendell specific)
>
> Got a roll of film back yesterday and it had several shots of my 
> bikes/rides! I thought ya'll might enjoy! Feel free to post any recent 
> Rivendell film shots if you have some.
>
> Taken with a Nikon FE on Kodak portra film.   Still learning how to 
> use an slr and it's kinda heavy/bulky but I got inspired by all those RSF 
> riders with big honkin cameras slung across their backs.
>
> Jamin
>
> [image: 05810033 Large.jpeg]
> [image: 05810029 Large.jpeg][image: 05810023 Large.jpeg][image: 
> 05810020 Large.jpeg]
>
> [image: 05810008 Large.jpeg][image: 05810007 Large.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Paul Touring vs. Neo-retro question

[greenteadrinkers]

Thank you all for the feedback, very helpful!

Scott 

On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 3:09:50 PM UTC-5 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> I was familiar with the Sheldon page, but not the Zinn piece. Nice to have 
> an explanation for the old Neo-Retro warning. Thanks for the reference.
>
> --
> Bob
>
>
> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 12:40:30 PM UTC-7 cjus...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> My understanding is that this is one of the cases where the physics of 
>> brake design and how they interact with the setup as related to yoke angle 
>> in this case, creates confusion because it is not just the brake design 
>> that has to be considered, but also the yoke angle's part in overall 
>> mechanical advantage.  Each brake type allows for very different yoke 
>> angles and that is why overall a touring brake has the capability to be 
>> setup with more power, if done correctly and with that purpose in mind.
>>
>> I think this article is a good one on the topic as it is actually on 
>> canti geometry:
>>
>>
>> https://www.velonews.com/gear/technical-faq-with-lennard-zinn-a-detailed-look-at-brake-shudder/
>>
>> And here is the associated Sheldon page:
>>
>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/cantilever-geometry.html
>>
>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 10:38:13 AM UTC-6 rcook...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> I've used the Neo-Retro as a front brake for about ten years and have 
>>> always had great luck with it. It looks great and, at the time, I was under 
>>> the impression that the Neo-Retro was the more powerful brake—than the 
>>> Touring Canti, that is. Paul's web page for the Neo-Retro used to warn that 
>>> it's a powerful enough brake that one should make sure the frame could take 
>>> the braking force, and maybe use the Touring Canti instead if one wasn't 
>>> sure. I can no longer find that warning on the website. In any case, the 
>>> Neo-Retro is powerful enough for me and relatively easy to adjust, and it's 
>>> my first choice for a rim brake. (For some reason, likely user 
>>> error/dimwittedness, I've never had luck with linear-pull brakes, but then 
>>> I've never tried the Motolite.)
>>>
>>> I chose the Touring Canti for the rear to maximize heel and pannier 
>>> clearance. The combination works well for me, even with a full touring load 
>>> going downhill.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:12:41 PM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you had to choose between the Paul Touring Canti or the Neo-Retro 
>>>> for a front brake, which would you pick and why? 
>>>>
>>>> Curious about how much functional difference exists between the 2 
>>>> models.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Paul Touring vs. Neo-retro question

[greenteadrinkers]

If you had to choose between the Paul Touring Canti or the Neo-Retro for a 
front brake, which would you pick and why? 

Curious about how much functional difference exists between the 2 models.

Thanks,
Scott

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[RBW] Re: 22 for 2022

[greenteadrinkers]

I'd suggest checking out the Red Leaf Rambler just a litter few hours 
northwest of the Nor'Easter here in Western Mass. Last fall was the second 
year of the event, the routes are really great and rather challenging. 
Also, there's the D2RD.

https://www.hampshirebicycleexchange.com/shop-rides/redleaframbler2022

https://www.franklinlandtrust.org/d2r2/

Best - Scott

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 11:05:57 PM UTC-5 J wrote:

> DavidP-  your area looks like really great riding. I'd been wondering 
> where you were from your pics and suspeted the NE and I see now it Mass. I 
> drove up to Connecticut for the first time two Octobers ago for the Nutmeg 
> Nor'Easter and really fell for that area of the country. Can't wait to get 
> back up north for more riding. Also, good job on the pic collage. Not sure 
> how you did it.
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:16:59 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> Thanks! What fun to see them all together as in a poster*!  *Enjoy that 
>> Platypus.
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 9:34:46 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Great idea for a thread, Paul - I'm looking forward to seeing all the 
>>> photos!
>>>
>>> Here's a snapshot of my 22 all in one image - you can click on the 
>>> attachment for the full size version. 
>>> You can see that the Platypus was a great inspiration to ride and take 
>>> photos as it is in fully half of them even though I've only been riding it 
>>> since November.
>>>
>>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:35:07 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 *(I've posted this on the i-BOB list too, so forgive me):*
 My favorite 22 bike related images for 2022. (Oops, as hard as I tried, 
 2 dozen was as close as I could get, so I cheated):
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72177720305087997
 The hardest part was to keep it fairly strictly bike related and 
 bike-trip related. Both of my Rivendells are a major part of the album, 
 but 
 a few others are in the mix.
 What's yours?
 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[greenteadrinkers]

Brian, here are a few places one of my friends likes to go:

https://floridahikes.com/florida-trail-croom-hiking-trail
https://alafiatrails.com/
https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/biking-cross-florida-greenway

Some of that seems a bit more intense mnt. bike stuff, but some of those 
areas are just fun to spend a day on the green and blue trails.

>From what I gather the "Croom" area is supposed to be amazing.
-Scott

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the "bag 'o 
> parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough spare rack 
> struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only thing 
> I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from McMaster) for 
> the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As I'm 
> sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock solid, 
> and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe there's a 
> slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but it's honestly 
> hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount for rack struts.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my wife 
>> and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria Island. 
>> It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the Tampa Bay / 
>> St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to get to 
>> it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and our bikes 
>> and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, so we 
>> kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
>> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
>> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
>> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
>> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do those 
>> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
>> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
>> to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
>> drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
>> other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
>>> planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
>>> down there.
>>>
>>> I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
>>> there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
>>>  in early January, but I've 
>>> barely had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to 
>>> get it all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, and 
>>> I pack a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, 
>>> so maybe just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will 
>>> scratch the itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
 half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial 
 to 
 keep it off the tire. 

 Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've 
 had a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
 everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
 I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
 without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons 
 here. 
 Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust 
 as 
 needed:

 Saddlebag:
 tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
 the short poles)
 Thermarest seat pad
 Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
 tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, 
 digital pressure gauge)
 tool kit
 small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
 change of clothes (usually minimal)
 rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather

 Handlebar bag:
 Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it 
 works like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
 Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
 Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
 first aid kit
 basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
 Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)

[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[greenteadrinkers]

That's a really nice setup! If you don't mind my asking, what region of FL 
are you planning for your overnighters? I used to live in Tampa and St. 
Pete back in the late '90s. One of my friends mentioned there's an amazing 
stretch from Tampa that cuts across the state, at one time it was going to 
be a waterway or something to that effect, but became an abandoned project. 
Now it's supposedly an amazing off-road wonderland/route. There's also a 
ferry you can take between Tampa and St. Pete, It's the same ferry used to 
get back and forth to and from Martha's Vineyard during summer.
-Scott

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 9:05:39 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
> keep it off the tire. 
>
> Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've had 
> a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
> everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
> I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
> without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. 
> Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as 
> needed:
>
> Saddlebag:
> tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
> the short poles)
> Thermarest seat pad
> Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
> tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, digital 
> pressure gauge)
> tool kit
> small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
> change of clothes (usually minimal)
> rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather
>
> Handlebar bag:
> Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it works 
> like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
> Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
> Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
> first aid kit
> basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
> Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
> Aeropress Go + 1-2 days worth of coffee - fits in side pocket of bag
> Electronics (battery bank, headlamp, charging cables) - fits in side 
> pocket of bag
> Food (typically I go minimalist and use Good To Go meals, or similar 
> dehydrated prepared meals)
>
> Snacks, electrolyte tabs, and phone typically go in the stem bag or top 
> tube bag
>
> I think that's everything. Happy to answer any questions about specific 
> items!
> -Brian
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:50:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
>> low weight you describe hauling :) 
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Nice rig, Brian! 
>>>
>>> I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
>>> picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 
>>>
>>> [image: DSC_0190.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Goddamn that’s SICK

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next 
> trip! I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes out 
> like, I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 
>
> Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I was thinking 
> about doing that as well but thought it might not be super stable. I have 
> it mounted with the stock mount the Edelux came with but haven’t had a 
> chance to test it very much. It has been studded riding for weeks and I 
> have those on the Clem with fenders… Loving your setup!
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, 
>> and thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
>> planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and 
>> want 
>> to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
>> replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).
>>
>> 8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food 
>> and clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.
>>
>> All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle 
>> via a Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The 
>> front 
>> Fab's Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also 
>> conveniently holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy 
>> Schmidt 
>> from Lord's Luggage in Portland to design a prototype frame bag for the 
>> space behind the seat tube on Gus and Susies - more to come on that 
>> early 
>> next year!
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

[greenteadrinkers]

The shift lever looks as though it would have to be mounted only to a 
downtube shift boss, guessing one might have to forgo bar-end shifting.

Scott

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:47:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The price point + the added cost of having to modify a frame with the 
> proprietary braze-on it needs to mount it would make this impractical 
> beyond the derailleur cost alone for most folks.
>
> On Dec 13, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was 
> adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather 
> than something artistic that no one bought. 
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
>
>> I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.
>>
>> After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv 
>> derailer will cost. 
>>
>> shoji
>> arlington ma
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>>> I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one 
>>> is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those 
>>> added bits aren't available!?  I'm still intrigued, though.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
 I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock 
 band I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called 
 "High Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title 
 until right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high 
 class" 
 resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's 
 "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of 
 worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of 
 Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount 
 of 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[greenteadrinkers]

Jacob - If you are interested I have a really clean Jones Loop I pulled off 
an Analog build that I'm interested in selling.

Best,
Scott

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Exciting, I can’t wait to see it built up! I definitely double and 
> probably triple checked on seatpost sizing. A 27.2 would have been really 
> cool but I don’t find any need for my old titanium post on the Susie, it 
> rides smoother than anything. 
>
> Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Gus! I have been feeling like I 
> should have gone that way so I could load it up and never feel worried but 
> I just love my quill stem! Will has assured me I don’t need to be worried 
> at all with my 175lbs and a 30 or so camp load. I’m getting more 
> comfortable feeling like she’s not fragile but…
>
> Just a note, AVT bike is having a site wide sale up to 25% off. Tough to 
> beat on Paul or White industries parts!
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:00:57 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. I 
>> would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy 
>> with mermaid. 
>>
>> The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 
>> speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. 
>>
>> Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still 
>> waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I 
>> mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. 
>>
>> Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from other 
>> bikes to get this on the road. 
>>
>> I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then 
>> the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. 
>>
>> -Jacob
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before I 
>> sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially while 
>> climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept backs! 
>> Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off bumps in 
>> really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 26" 
>> wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting pedal 
>> strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I loved so 
>> much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with a few 
>> tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with it. But 
>> agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha 
>>
>>
>> the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite a 
>> bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the original 
>> clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling bike. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite!  
>>> The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain 
>>> biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering 
>>> around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, but 
>>> never could. 
>>> The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave around 
>>> and over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or getting hung 
>>> up. We’ve got some steep climbs here and I never had a problem with the 
>>> front end wandering. I just felt “at home” with it in just about every 
>>> aspect. 
>>>
>>> One thing the Clem absolutely destroys the Romeo and other bikes is 
>>> straight line descents. I could bomb steep gravel roads like Bode Miller 
>>> soaring down a run. 
>>>
>>> Both good bikes. Just depends on what you prefer and are used to. I 
>>> personally gave the long wheelbase a couple of tries but couldn’t ever come 
>>> to grips with it. You might. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:16:39 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 RE those comparing Romanceurs and Rivs 

 I loved my (XL disc) Romanceur - but have a bad shoulder / neck. I 
 couldn't run drops. It didn't handle that well with upright bars IMO. The 
 short wheelbase makes it hop  and wheelie a lot climbing. I love climbing. 
 It rode amazing with a shortish stem and towel racks, but was a real neck 
 destroyer. Looked great though. Hauled front basket cargo like nobody's 
 business. I loved it - but not for me. 

 I traded it for a Clementine 59 and (also bought a) Clem Smith JR 64. 
 OG clementine feels a tad like the Romanceur a bit with a bit more room in 
 the front for swept backs and appropriate chain stays to keep it on the 
 ground. Climbs wonderfully. Clem JR just cruises like nobody's business. 
 One of the most fun and cruisey bikes ive ever ridden. The more slack head 
 tube makes it a bit floppier than the 

Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

[greenteadrinkers]

A few weekends ago I rode the 40-mile option of the Dustflinger Midi route 
of the Red Leaf Rambler here in Western MA 
https://www.hampshirebicycleexchange.com/shop-rides/redleaframbler2022 on a 
Tanglefoot Moonshiner with Choco bars. Route had a lot of elevation and 
some super chunk parts, the Choco bar felt great!, that said, I do wish it 
swept back maybe another inch. I would love to try out a Billie bar. Oh - 
I'm also using an indexed SRAM grip shift with a 1x set-up, works like a 
dream.

Best, Scott - Amherst MA
On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 3:57:20 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle (which 
> I define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
> Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
> Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but with 
> a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
> Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)
>
> I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, around 
> 30 miles and I start to wish I had a different position.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:
>
>> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best for 
>> rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>>
>> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit, 
>> what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>>
>> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run bike 
>> errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for most 
>> of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven winner 
>> for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further afield 
>> and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is I only 
>> have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go on 
>> longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into 
>> play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I 
>> don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a 
>> Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.
>>
>> Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other 
>> factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge 
>> as favorites for longer riding?
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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[greenteadrinkers]

IMO Paul brake levers are 100% worth the cost. On a bike, the brake lever 
is a high human touchpoint. For me the user experience with the PL is so 
high, no matter the build, if I can afford it, I would always spec PL's.

Scott

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 7:22:28 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> They are to me but that asks me to explore non-linear scalars to defend. 
> Spreadsheets might produce answers that differ from mine, I tend to value 
> the non-linear observations about things also.
>
> I like bike things, I enjoy riding them, the interactions with and company 
> of others who do so as well. I had the opportunity to meet and talk to Paul 
> Price at the Philly Bike Expo a few years ago. I complimented him on the 
> center mount Racers I bought for my Rambouillet and he asked if I had a 
> picture on my phone. Not that Shimano or (fill in a component or brake 
> manufacturer of your choice) don't care about you, but back in my shop days 
> I seldom had the opportunity to speak to the person behind a product like 
> Paul (or Grant Peterson) at trade show. 
>
> My sample is this set of center mount Racers I put on my Rambouillet to 
> replace the groupless Shimano calipers that were the only option when I 
> bought the Ram as a full bike from Rivendell. My years of riding this bike 
> brought to focus several issues with the original brakes that the Paul 
> Racers more than adequately resolved. Since then I've had comments from 
> riders about the bike and the Racer brakes. I gained fender clearance, tire 
> clearance and brake performance.  
>
> "Cool Shimano dual pivot calipers!" 
> -No one.
>
> What I like about bikes, bike parts, bike people and my experience riding 
> supports my favorable impression of Paul Component Engineering brake 
> options. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 1:52:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Fulford wrote:
>
>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>> love levers. Are they worth it?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bosco vs. Boscomoose

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I have both Bosco and BoscoMoose bars on my Rivs, for me, the fixed angle 
on the moose becomes transparent after a few rides. Something to consider, 
Blue Lug sells a threadless moose stem that exactly fits the 100mm sleeve 
on a Bosco. You would need a threadless quill adapter, it's a nice 
workaround to get the extra strength a moose design while letting you 
adjust the angle of the bar. Currently on my TangleFoot Moonshiner, I have 
the V5 with a Choco bar, looks incredible and feels great in the rough 
stuff.
https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-v-5-stem-black.html
Scott

On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 12:38:30 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I actually have the Boscomoose. Just got it after first swapping out the 
> 650 wide Tosco for a 550 wide Bosco. I just finished a 21 mile mixed 
> surface ride with the 580 wide Boscomoose on my Clem. I have plenty of 
> length & a lot of flexibility with height. The 30mm / 3cm of extra width is 
> noticeable, neither good or bad. Reach is very similar to the Bosco / 
> FacePlater combo. The only issue I might have is the fixed, overly 
> horizontal grip area. Seems most folks & Rivendell recommends at least a 7 
> degree angle down of the tips. Cannot get that angle with the ‘moose.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 10, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Mackenzy Albright  
> wrote:
>
> I love my Boscomoose on my clementine. I think the 3mm wider bar makes 
> the 5mm shorter feel natural enough as long as you can get the bar low 
> enough and you have enough top tube. On the clementine the top tube is long 
> and feels good. Tried them on a Romanceur and the shorter TT wanted a lower 
> bar with longer stem so set up loscos. I also enjoy the extra security for 
> off road riding. If you can find a set and have the spare cash, give em a 
> whirrl. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 4:01:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Definitely ride it for a while before deciding. I just tilted my Billies 
>> up this week, it's probably the same angle my Boscomoose was now! 
>>
>> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 3:49:22 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My judgement is likely a bit premature. I failed to mention that my 
>>> Bosco was 550 wide, the ‘moose 580. I did notice the solid feel straight 
>>> away although the FacePlater is very secure. Nice to have options.:)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 9, 2022, at 6:37 PM, J J  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a Boscomoose on my Hunq. I guess I'm fortunate that the fixed 
>>> tilt angle works very well for me. I had run the regular Bosco with a stem, 
>>> and it felt less secure than the triangulated and reinforced Boscomoose, no 
>>> matter how tightly I clamped the stem to the bar (and you can only go so 
>>> tight anyway). 
>>>
>>>
>>> So tilt adjustments aside, the Boscomoose feels more stable, stiffer, 
>>> less flexy, and certainly has less unwanted movement than the separate bar 
>>> and stem combo, especially on bumpy terrain and any riding that requires 
>>> weight on the bar. This is probably a much more significant consideration 
>>> for those of us who weigh more than 210 than it is for folks lighter than 
>>> that.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:27:40 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I also learned this with the exact bars you're comparing. Bars that 
 can't be adjusted for tilt are always a crapshoot and you're probably 
 going 
 to lose that bet unless the front end is really slack like a Clem or 
 Gus/Susie. My custom IS that slack and they worked ok for me, but I still 
 preferred the regular Bosco (which I then sold for a Billie, but that's 
 another thread). 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:11:45 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Or, when to leave well enough alone? I recently traded my 650 wide 
> Tosco for a 550 wide Bosco. This worked to let me achieve a higher bar 
> without exposing more stem & even gave me the flexibility of lowering the 
> stem a smidge. The narrower width gave me a more natural feeling wrist 
> angle and overall felt much more comfortable without loosing any control. 
> I 
> liked it so much that it really made me want to try a Boscomoose. 
> I am really interested in any others thoughts who may have compared 
> the Bosco & Boscomoose. My observations; even though the "extension" of 
> the 
> 'moose is 120mm vs. my Faceplater's 135mm, there is in reality only 5mm 
> difference. This I assume is due to the upward angle of the Faceplater 
> extension - effectively shortening it. In any event the reach to the bar 
> ends is quite different. With the exact 120mm of exposed stem the bar 
> ends 
> of the 'moose are nearly 2" higher than the Bosco! This I presume is 
> mostly 
> due to the more horizontal & fixed angle nature of the grip areas - they 
> do 
> not tilt down very much.
> I will probably play with 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Baggage For Sale

[greenteadrinkers]

Would you know if #9 is sized to fit on top of something like a Marks Rack? 
Looks like it could be an early trunk sack? Thx! Scott

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:45:54 PM UTC-4 Karl wrote:

> There are some places I circled where it attaches to the rack. I’ve never 
> used it, and cannot remember when I bought it off the list! Hope that helps
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 9, 2022, at 1:39 PM, greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
> Curious how bag #9 mounts to a rack? thx! Scott
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:20:48 PM UTC-4 Karl wrote:
>
>> Needing to dramatically downsize my "stuff" so, first post is my 
>> Rivendell Bags I have had collecting dust and Golden Retriever hair! If 
>> interested, please note the number on the photo for the bag when replying. 
>> Let me know if I am crazy high on pricing. More fun stuff to come 
>> (Quickbeam wheels, Paul brakes, etc!) Thanks All!
>>
>> Photos Here <https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B165GH8Mq0gSCQ>
>>
>> #1- Duluth Candy Bar Bag- Some spotting. Good shape- $50 shipped
>>
>> #2- Baggins Candy Bar Bag- Some beausage- $40 Shipped
>>
>> #3- Baggins Banana-ish Bag- Shorter “tail” than other banana I have. 
>> Also, this has a zipper- $50 shipped
>>
>> #4- Baggins Little Joe (Pretty sure) Hole in bottom, but still has some 
>> miles- $50 shipped
>>
>> #5- Sackville Musette Bag- $40 Shipped
>>
>> #6- Sackville Big Bag (Don’t remember the model)- $120 Shipped
>>
>> #7- Sackville Big Bag (Also.. Don’t remember the model)- $120 Shipped
>>
>> #8- Baggins Adam (?)- Good shape- $100 Shipped
>>
>> #9- Rivendell Vegan Rack Bag- $30 Shipped
>>
>> Karl in Nashville, TN
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Baggage For Sale

[greenteadrinkers]

Curious how bag #9 mounts to a rack? thx! Scott

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 2:20:48 PM UTC-4 Karl wrote:

> Needing to dramatically downsize my "stuff" so, first post is my Rivendell 
> Bags I have had collecting dust and Golden Retriever hair! If interested, 
> please note the number on the photo for the bag when replying. Let me know 
> if I am crazy high on pricing. More fun stuff to come (Quickbeam wheels, 
> Paul brakes, etc!) Thanks All!
>
> Photos Here 
>
> #1- Duluth Candy Bar Bag- Some spotting. Good shape- $50 shipped
>
> #2- Baggins Candy Bar Bag- Some beausage- $40 Shipped
>
> #3- Baggins Banana-ish Bag- Shorter “tail” than other banana I have. Also, 
> this has a zipper- $50 shipped
>
> #4- Baggins Little Joe (Pretty sure) Hole in bottom, but still has some 
> miles- $50 shipped
>
> #5- Sackville Musette Bag- $40 Shipped
>
> #6- Sackville Big Bag (Don’t remember the model)- $120 Shipped
>
> #7- Sackville Big Bag (Also.. Don’t remember the model)- $120 Shipped
>
> #8- Baggins Adam (?)- Good shape- $100 Shipped
>
> #9- Rivendell Vegan Rack Bag- $30 Shipped
>
> Karl in Nashville, TN
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[RBW] Re: (*)osco bar hand positions

[greenteadrinkers]

Can't speak to a Tosco or Losco, but regarding a Bosco, the upper bend in 
the rise area is my go-to for climbing, I don't find much use for the rest 
of the rise, for me, the angle is a bit stressful on the wrist joint. Aside 
from hand positions, I'll say that If you prefer less stem sticking up from 
the headtube, the 4" rise will that down considerably. 

On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 at 12:00:56 PM UTC-4 Kevin wrote:

> Any riders of the Bosco and its myriad offshoots able to comment on how 
> many/what kind of hand positions are available?
>
> Any general comments are welcome, but I am particularly interested in the 
> circled portion of the bar in the attached photo. Is it usable or is there 
> just too much rise going on at that section of the bar? Maybe the Losco 
> differs a bit from the others in this area?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] WTB, maybe - Boscomoose Handlebar

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Hi Richard - I have the BlueLug BoscoMoose on my Sam, reach is 120mm, not 
sure about the quill, but I have it all the way down and for me, that's 
plenty high considering the rise. It's an amazing bar/stem combo.

Best - Scott



On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

>
> That’s a 58cm boscomoose.
>
> Bones 
> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> [image: FFADD4E1-814E-4B0A-8C03-F4B5E2D6D424.jpeg][image: 
>> 9BA6DC00-FD9E-4D89-BD6A-66E4BC8F7520.jpeg][image: 
>> 31461B4E-8931-4CCA-9506-46C843E9441F.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:51:31 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>>> There's a tosco-moose bar for sale in Ashevilles, NC craigslist page. 
>>>  Maybe you could ask them to ship?
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 9:32:46 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 That 120 sounds more realistic - they don’t look like 150? I suspect 
 the built in rise of the ‘moose is less than what you get with a 
 FacePlater 
 which I think angles up at 10 degrees. I currently have 130mm of stem 
 showing above the locknut.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 26, 2022, at 12:12 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 I'm 99% sure that reach number is wrong, my Boscomoose was about 120. 
 And it was tall as heck with the 190 quill, Boscos are TALL bars..I'd be 
 very surprised if you needed 230mm of quill unless the bike it's going on 
 is really short. 



 On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:54:34 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Yeah, I just saw that Soma page. Too long of extension & too short a 
> quill. Dangit! They just look so cool. 
> Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 25, 2022, at 10:50 PM, Danny  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> According to Soma 
> 's
>  
> listing for the Boscomoose  the "Stem has about 150mm reach and 190mm 
> long 
> quill".  I believe the Riv FacePlater has a 230mm quill length. Wish I 
> had 
> a Boscomoose to trade you for that FacePlater. If you decide to sell it, 
> please get in touch!
>
> -Danny
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:23 PM Richard Rose  
> wrote:
>
>> After swapping out my Tosco for a Bosco, I think I might want to get 
>> a Boscomoose. So, if anyone has one for sale or possible trade, I might 
>> be 
>> your guy. I have two questions however; is the Boscomoose quill as long 
>> as 
>> my Faceplater stem? And, does anyone know the effective "stem" length on 
>> a 
>> Boscomoose? I cannot find that info anywhere but need that extension to 
>> be 
>> close to the 130mm I have with the Faceplater.
>> Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Shenandoah foothills

[greenteadrinkers]

Amazing ride report!

QQ regarding your drivetrain overhaul, of the S-Ride 7-speed cassettes, 
which did you choose? 

I also recently overhauled the drivetrain on my Sam as well from a V/O wide 
double to a Sugino XD2 - bash-guard / 40 / 24 with the S-Ride 7 speed 
11-36. The RD is a new Altus. Wondering how a 13-42 7-speed would work on a 
Sam, assuming one would need a RD tab extender? 

Scott - Amherst, MA

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:47:14 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Incredible report! As a DCist I long to get out to Shenandoah more and 
> also wish I had the legs and cardio and endurance to do something like 
> this. 
>
> Pat in DC
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 9:05:07 PM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Oh man, I almost missed this amazing ride report between all the FS posts.
>> Such a great write up! Thank you again Eric for all your thoughtful 
>> contributions to this community.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[greenteadrinkers]

Hi Andrew - thanks for the insight! 
There was a review someplace about the benefit of mixing a smooth with a 
knobby, just can't remember exactly what the benefit was!
Scott - Amherst MA
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:57:33 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Scott, I've swapped between both Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge tires on my 
> Monstercross and can confidently say both do surprisingly well off-road. 
> Where I live, when things get really rough, they're often really wet as 
> well so the Oracle Ridge tires had slightly more grip in those slippery 
> conditions but truly slightly. Having both on the same bike honestly seems 
> like the way to go since I couldn't ever make up my mind of which tire I 
> preferred.  
>
> Andrew 
> TN
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing tires 
>> (tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads are a mix 
>> of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single track. 
>> I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from road, can 
>> you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? I'm 
>> considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher Pass 
>> 48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.
>>
>> Thx!
>> Scott - Amherst MA
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
>>> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence braking 
>>> and cornering. 
>>> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and the 
>>> Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't go back 
>>> to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

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Hi Eric, currently I have 700c 48mm Oracle Ridge standard casing tires 
(tubeless) usually around 24 psi on my 54cm Sam. My local roads are a mix 
of smooth to broken pavement, gravel, double track, and some single track. 
I've found the 48's are smooth, quiet, and confident. Aside from road, can 
you speak to the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires on mixed surfaces? I'm 
considering swapping out the rear Oracle Ridge with a slick Hatcher Pass 
48mm, I like the idea that you can mix and match.

Thx!
Scott - Amherst MA

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> I love the Rene Herse options but if the conditions aren't perfect, 
> Panaracer Paselas are just so good on damp/wet roads for confidence braking 
> and cornering. 
> I run the biggest (38s) on my two mainly road bikes, the Homer and the 
> Holdsworth. If they made a 42-44 in the Pasela I probably wouldn't go back 
> to the much more expensive Jan Heine creations.
>
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[RBW] WTB Choco Bar

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Curious if anyone has a Choco for sale?

Thanks!
Scott

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Re: [RBW] Which Dyno Hub?

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Speaking as someone with a few SON28 wheels, and the type of riding you 
described, I'd suggest considering a $30 Paul Gino mount and a few $35 
Cygolite lights a go before investing $500+ on a SON28 and Edelux headlight 
(not including the cost for the cox-axial connector, rim, rim tape, spokes, 
and nipples). But, I totally get it, Dyno hubs are awesome! Personally, I 
hate having to look at the wiring and zip ties.

Best
Scott

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 9:09:10 AM UTC-4 peech1...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I have Velogical dynamo on my Sam Hillborne.  Love its elegance and the 
> fact that I didn't have to change my front wheel and hub when I wanted to 
> add dynamo lighting.  One other con to consider is the potential for 
> slipping when riding in wet conditions.  The  Velogical has provided 
> adequate light even when wet however.  Tim Petersen
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Jason:
>>
>> You’ll hear many opinions—good luck sifting through the advice you will 
>> get!
>>
>> I have both SON and Shutter Precision hubs and have not had any issues 
>> with either. My SONs have ranged from the old-style type with flanges 
>> pressed onto a center piece to the modern (and very pretty) type. I have 
>> several variations of the SP hubs on various bikes.
>>
>> If money is no object, definitely go with SON, if only because they’re so 
>> darn pretty. SP will perform just as well—I have not experienced the 
>> “roughness” that one other respondent reported.
>>
>> Based on what I’ve read about SON and their weather sealing, the biggest 
>> advantage that I know of is that they are pressure compensated; SP hubs are 
>> not. That means that if you go from a warm, dry environment directly into a 
>> cold and dry one, the SON hubs won’t draw in moisture as the air inside the 
>> hub cools. SP hubs might, but for this to be a problem, you would have to 
>> roll right out into a cold downpour. That’s an edge case for me and 
>> something that has never been a problem.
>>
>> Finally … Have you considered the Velogical dynamo? I have one on an Alex 
>> Singer, and it’s great. Pros: Cheaper than a dyno hub and wheel, very low 
>> draw, ZERO drag in the “off” position, great German engineering, works with 
>> any wheel. Cons: Sits outside on the frame, where it might be subject to 
>> damage (not a problem for me in several years of use), makes a quiet 
>> whirring noise when running, requires a small clamp to attach to the frame.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:59 PM, Jason Glenn  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> I've never had a bike with a dyno hub but rode one a few months back -- 
>> thanks, Max! -- and have decided to build up a wheel -- my first wheel 
>> build, too -- with one for an Atlantis.  I know the Son 28 is the go to, 
>> and I could be convinced to use one, but I'm working on a limited budget 
>> and am wondering what people think about the alternatives out there.  My 
>> main use for the Atlantis, at least at the moment, will be commuting, 
>> running erands, etc., but I'm trying to bike as my principle form of 
>> transportation (in Los Angeles) and will be riding in the evenings and 
>> early mornings with some regularity.  Down the road, I would like to do 
>> some touring on it.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm interested in any and all suggestions/perspectives.  
>>
>> Thanks, in advance,
>> jason
>>
>> P.s. While I'm at it, happy to hear about favorite rims and spokes for 
>> the build...
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Re: [RBW] Wald basket rusting. Equivalent in stainless steel? Or how to prevent rust?

[greenteadrinkers]

Speaking of baskets, has anyone used the racer model? thoughts? Thinking of 
getting one for my SimpleOne.

Thanks,
Scott

On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 10:39:52 AM UTC-4 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> A quick search shows lots of stainless steel baskets, often used in 
> commercial kitchen settings, available for purchase but probably not MUSA. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
> On Jul 12, 2022, at 14:30, lconley  wrote:
>
> Now this is a solution! I would go ahead and get a new Wald and 
> plasti-dip it, as Jon said, you have gotten your money out of this one.
>
> Bonus is that plasti-dip is available in colors! You can dip your brake 
> levers to match your basket and..
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 4:25:07 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> After either cleaning or a replacement, there's always that plasti dip 
>> stuff. I've read of someone doing it before after cleaning a rust Wald with 
>> Dawn and steel wool. It not only seals the steel, it would provide some 
>> grip and it wouldn't make any noise or grind away at a rack if it's sitting 
>> on one. The liquid or the spray would work. 
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[RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

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Was hoping for some advice... on my Sam, I'm interested in the Jim 7s 
13-42, with a 40 x 24 upfront, and Silver shifters in friction. The big 
question I have is rear derailer choice, would the Shimano Alivio T4000 
make sense? it's rated as a 9-speed with a total capacity of 45T.

Thanks,
Scott

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Nerding-out on gearing:
>
> The % changes on the S-ride 13-34 are 14%, 18%, 15%, 13%, 15%, 19%. 
> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 5% (13% to 18%)
>
> The % changes on the Shimano 13-34 are 14%, 13%, 16%, 18%, 19%, 16%. 
> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 6% (13% to 19%)
>
> I thing the S ride is better, but this is much ado about nothing. 
> I personally think the biggest jump should always be on the biggest 
> (lowest) gear as is the case with the Riv S-ride. I don't need two bailout 
> gears.
>
> I still ride freewheels on some bikes - My Rivendell sourced Shimano 7 
> speed freewheel on my 1x Riv commuter is 14-16-18-20-22-24-34 for 13%, 12%, 
> 11%, 10%, 9%, 34%. -maximum delta % in lower 6 is 4% (9% to 13%) I think 
> this about ideal, could have maybe substituted a 25 for the 24, but again - 
> much ado about nothing.
>
> My NOS Suntour Winner 7 is 12-14-16-18-21-24-30 for 15%, 13%, 12%, 15%, 
> 13%, 22%. maximum delta % in lower 6 is 3% (12% to 15%), It is going on my 
> Bombadil with a triple crank.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> I agree with Garth about the poor gear progressions on the 13-34 Jim.  
>>  The Shimano HG-50-K 13-134 is
>> 13-15-17-20-24-29-34
>> which IMHO is much better, it avoids the 15-18 problem and has 2-3-4-5-5 
>> spacing above 15 vs the Jim's  3-3-3-4-6 spacing.   I used the HG-50-K on 
>> my 88 Voyageur and gives very good spacing.   IRD also sold the same copy 
>> of a HG-50-K for about $30 2 years ago.  I do not see it in the IRD store 
>> now.  Maybe they changed suppliers.
>>
>> The 13-42 is also poor do to the 13-16 jump leaving NO 2 step drop for 
>> the high gears.  My 1975 Shimano 14-32 5 speed had a 14-17 jump and was 
>> always frustrating on level terrain finding a good high cog.  The 13-15 
>> solves that.
>>
>> In all, why does anyone want to go from 9 speed to 7 speed???   I can see 
>> them saying here is a supply of 7 speed for folks with 126 OLD rears, but 
>> if you have a 130 OLD rear just use the 9 speeds out there.  They have 
>> better progression.
>>
>> I think RBW is pitching folks a lemon with these as saying convert from 9 
>> to 7 speeds.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I had some bit of hope that these would use an consistent gear 
>>> progression of 15-17-20-24 on the 13-34, but no . S-Works does the 
>>> overly big 15-18 jump along with the 18-21-24 which is unnecessarily close. 
>>> I often wonder of anyone who designs these actually rides it. IRD does some 
>>> weird cog progression with some of their offerings as well. 
>>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 5:00:50 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In 2022, pretty cool to see 7-speed cassettes sell out in less than 12 
 hours. But, if you missed out, this is a PSA that Soma has them in stock 
 still, though they don’t include the spacers like Riv did.

 13-34: 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590906-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-34t-cs-m200-6765?category=735

 13-42: 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590907-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-42t-cs-e500-6766?category=735

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

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Was hoping for some advice... on my Sam, I'm interested in using out the 
Jim 7s 13-42, with a 40 x 24 upfront, and Silver shifters in friction. The 
question here seems to rest on the rear derailer, would the best choice be 
the Shimano Alivio T4000? it's rated as a 9-speed with a total capacity of 
45T, it sounds like that should work, am I missing something?

Thanks,
Scott

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Nerding-out on gearing:
>
> The % changes on the S-ride 13-34 are 14%, 18%, 15%, 13%, 15%, 19%. 
> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 5% (13% to 18%)
>
> The % changes on the Shimano 13-34 are 14%, 13%, 16%, 18%, 19%, 16%. 
> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 6% (13% to 19%)
>
> I thing the S ride is better, but this is much ado about nothing. 
> I personally think the biggest jump should always be on the biggest 
> (lowest) gear as is the case with the Riv S-ride. I don't need two bailout 
> gears.
>
> I still ride freewheels on some bikes - My Rivendell sourced Shimano 7 
> speed freewheel on my 1x Riv commuter is 14-16-18-20-22-24-34 for 13%, 12%, 
> 11%, 10%, 9%, 34%. -maximum delta % in lower 6 is 4% (9% to 13%) I think 
> this about ideal, could have maybe substituted a 25 for the 24, but again - 
> much ado about nothing.
>
> My NOS Suntour Winner 7 is 12-14-16-18-21-24-30 for 15%, 13%, 12%, 15%, 
> 13%, 22%. maximum delta % in lower 6 is 3% (12% to 15%), It is going on my 
> Bombadil with a triple crank.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> I agree with Garth about the poor gear progressions on the 13-34 Jim.  
>>  The Shimano HG-50-K 13-134 is
>> 13-15-17-20-24-29-34
>> which IMHO is much better, it avoids the 15-18 problem and has 2-3-4-5-5 
>> spacing above 15 vs the Jim's  3-3-3-4-6 spacing.   I used the HG-50-K on 
>> my 88 Voyageur and gives very good spacing.   IRD also sold the same copy 
>> of a HG-50-K for about $30 2 years ago.  I do not see it in the IRD store 
>> now.  Maybe they changed suppliers.
>>
>> The 13-42 is also poor do to the 13-16 jump leaving NO 2 step drop for 
>> the high gears.  My 1975 Shimano 14-32 5 speed had a 14-17 jump and was 
>> always frustrating on level terrain finding a good high cog.  The 13-15 
>> solves that.
>>
>> In all, why does anyone want to go from 9 speed to 7 speed???   I can see 
>> them saying here is a supply of 7 speed for folks with 126 OLD rears, but 
>> if you have a 130 OLD rear just use the 9 speeds out there.  They have 
>> better progression.
>>
>> I think RBW is pitching folks a lemon with these as saying convert from 9 
>> to 7 speeds.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I had some bit of hope that these would use an consistent gear 
>>> progression of 15-17-20-24 on the 13-34, but no . S-Works does the 
>>> overly big 15-18 jump along with the 18-21-24 which is unnecessarily close. 
>>> I often wonder of anyone who designs these actually rides it. IRD does some 
>>> weird cog progression with some of their offerings as well. 
>>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 5:00:50 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In 2022, pretty cool to see 7-speed cassettes sell out in less than 12 
 hours. But, if you missed out, this is a PSA that Soma has them in stock 
 still, though they don’t include the spacers like Riv did.

 13-34: 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590906-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-34t-cs-m200-6765?category=735

 13-42: 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590907-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-42t-cs-e500-6766?category=735

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 8cm

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Hello - please let me know if the stem is still available, thx!

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:51:07 PM UTC-4 Ginz wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a new in the sealed bag Nitto Dirt Drop stem, 8cm, 26.0.
>
> Bought it from Rivendell last year and never used it.
>
> $68 shipped in CONUS. 
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Re: [RBW] Opinions on hanging style bike rack for cars

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I've been using a Saris bones I picked up off CL like 12 years ago, it's 
still going strong. It's the only rack I've ever used, so my perspective is 
limited. I drive two bikes from Western MA to S. FL through some nasty 
weather and pothole-ridden roadways this past January using the Saris, no 
issues, very solid platform. Just recheck the straps after driving your 
first 10 or so miles, things loosen a touch in those first few miles.
Scott

On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:54:14 AM UTC-4 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I owned a Thule Aero Helium for a while. It did the job but I didn’t 
> really care for it. I have a lot of weird bikes so the fact that the rack 
> holds the bikes by the seat and top tubes didn’t work well for some bikes. 
> I tried the top tube adapter they make but that wasn’t that great of a 
> solution. 
>
> I prefer racks that secure bikes by grabbing the wheels so I now have a 
> 1Up hitch rack. Even that can be a slight pain when transporting a bike 
> with radically different wheel size than the last bike that was transported.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Sean B.  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have experience with these types of car racks? I recently 
> purchased one, but am now seeing a lot of negative opinions on them. 
> Worried about damaging my girlfriend and I's Rivs. I went to a local Rack 
> Attack store and they suggested the Thule Helium Pro 3. I shouldn't have 
> trusted them as the reviews do not look great. Then again, should I trust 
> online reviews? Hence why I wanted to ask the good people here.
>
> Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: Choco Dirt Drop question

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Hi David, right! on the Sam it's the Bluelug's version of Bosco Bullmoose, 
on the SimpleOne it's a (I think) 12cm Tallux. Thinking the Dirtdrop will 
provide the height and bring the reach back closer to me, keeping around a 
similar reach as the Bosco. Looking at WhatBars, the Bosco has a longer 
reach, so maybe the Choco will come back to around the same reach with the 
shorter, higher stem. Curious to try a flat swept-back but with a slightly 
different curve.

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:45:27 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> You are likely the only one who can answer that question, Scott.  Going 
> from a Bosco to a Choco is a significant loss in height.  You don't say 
> what stem you are using currently with the Bosco.  If it is something other 
> than a Dirt Drop, you'll need to factor that into the equation.  When I 
> switched from Albatross bars to Choco's on my Hillborne, I replaced the 
> 10cm Tallux with a 110 FacePlater and wound up with roughly the same bar 
> height and reach.  Due to a lumbar fusion, I tool need an upright riding 
> position.
>
> David
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:08:52 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> i had chocos on a 10cm dirtdrop on my wolbis at one point.  felt great.  
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
>

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[RBW] Choco Dirt Drop question

[greenteadrinkers]

Wanted to ask if this sounds like a bad idea... I've been thinking about 
setting up a 8cm Nitto Dirt Drop with Nitto Choco bar. Due to moderate to 
server joint damage I need to stay in a very upright position. Currently, I 
have a Bosco on both my Sam and SimpleOne, that said, I like to mix things 
up. Any positive and or negative thoughts regarding the Dirt Drop / Choco 
combo would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Scott

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[RBW] Nice Hunqapiller on ebay

[greenteadrinkers]

No connection to seller, just noticed this listing yesterday, really nice 
62cm Hunq.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304419352111?hash=item46e0ceae2f:g:9ewAAOSwqKhiQ8DX

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[RBW] Re: Sugino XD2 BCD?

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Thanks Joe - I have a XD2 triple guard-40-32 on my SimpleOne, I want to 
swap the 32 with a 24, wasn't sure if 74bcd was correct, but, sounds like 
it is.

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 3:08:25 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> These were set up a lot of ways but a common-from-Riv way was to turn an 
> XD2 triple into guard-40-32. The chain guard and 40t are 110bcd, 32t is 
> 74bcd. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:36:51 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Anyone happen to know what the BCD for the inner chainring is on the 
>> Sugino XD2 crankset that Riv used to pair with a Quickbeam?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Scott
>>
>

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[RBW] Sugino XD2 BCD?

[greenteadrinkers]

Anyone happen to know what the BCD for the inner chainring is on the Sugino 
XD2 crankset that Riv used to pair with a Quickbeam?

Thanks!
Scott

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the IRD quill stem mount shifter

[greenteadrinkers]

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone for sharing thoughts and 
experiences with the IRD mount, I'll make sure to post pictures once 
everything is in place!

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 2:54:47 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> I run the IRD mounts with Silver1 shifters on a bike with Billie Bars 
> since the bars are way too long for bar ends and quill shifters open up 
> hand positions all along the bars. The shifters work great in this 
> application but I find it best to mount shifters below the top of the stem. 
> You may not have enough stem showing to mount them that way.
>
> --Ed C.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 6:52:46 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Wondering anyone has tried out the said quill mount? How was the 
>> experience shifting? Did you stick with the quill mount? 
>>
>> I'm running bar-ends on a the Bluelug Bullmoose Bosco, and have been 
>> giving the quill mount some thought as an alternate solution for shift 
>> lever location. I love having the shift paddles right behind my hands, but, 
>> with the Bosco, bar the paddles come back far enough that from time to 
>> time, they hit my leg, not a deal breaker by any means..
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Scott
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on the IRD quill stem mount shifter

[greenteadrinkers]

I also like that the shift cable isn't wrapped to the bar. The length of 
the cable is less and seems to be more direct to the boss on the DT, 
wondering if that improves shifting in any way? 

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 10:03:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I haven't tried it out but I often think that the stem is one of the best 
> places for shifters but it suffers a bad reputation from cheap 70s bikes. 
> On my new Clem I thought about mounting the thumbshifter on the stem. I 
> still might at some point. I think its a smart location.
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:52:46 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Wondering anyone has tried out the said quill mount? How was the 
>> experience shifting? Did you stick with the quill mount? 
>>
>> I'm running bar-ends on a the Bluelug Bullmoose Bosco, and have been 
>> giving the quill mount some thought as an alternate solution for shift 
>> lever location. I love having the shift paddles right behind my hands, but, 
>> with the Bosco, bar the paddles come back far enough that from time to 
>> time, they hit my leg, not a deal breaker by any means..
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Scott
>>
>

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[RBW] Thoughts on the IRD quill stem mount shifter

[greenteadrinkers]

Wondering anyone has tried out the said quill mount? How was the experience 
shifting? Did you stick with the quill mount? 

I'm running bar-ends on a the Bluelug Bullmoose Bosco, and have been giving 
the quill mount some thought as an alternate solution for shift lever 
location. I love having the shift paddles right behind my hands, but, with 
the Bosco, bar the paddles come back far enough that from time to time, 
they hit my leg, not a deal breaker by any means..

Thanks!
Scott

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[greenteadrinkers]

Wait - looks like a good bit of the stuff on the Archive is Stream only, 
still, an amazing resource.

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Check out Archive.org endless collection of live Dead shows downloadable 
> in whatever format you need, mostly free.
>
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=grateful+dead=3
>
> On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Both of your albums are available to download on MP3Fiesta.com - 
>> https://mp3fiesta.com/search/?text=garcia+grisman
>>
>> Before you scream scam site, I cannot attest to the copyright legality of 
>> MP3 Fiesta (they're based in Russia) but I have been using them for nearly 
>> 2 decades (they pre-dated iTunes) and have never had an issue with billing 
>> & even the very few times I got a corrupted download they responded 
>> immediately to rectify.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 11:43:45 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
>>> somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
>>> Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
>>> media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
>>> server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use 
>>> the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones 
>>> or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
>>> the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the 
>>> files.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[greenteadrinkers]

Check out Archive.org endless collection of live Dead shows downloadable in 
whatever format you need, mostly free.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=grateful+dead=3

On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Both of your albums are available to download on MP3Fiesta.com - 
> https://mp3fiesta.com/search/?text=garcia+grisman
>
> Before you scream scam site, I cannot attest to the copyright legality of 
> MP3 Fiesta (they're based in Russia) but I have been using them for nearly 
> 2 decades (they pre-dated iTunes) and have never had an issue with billing 
> & even the very few times I got a corrupted download they responded 
> immediately to rectify.
>
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 11:43:45 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
>> somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
>> Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
>> media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
>> server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use 
>> the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones 
>> or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
>> the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the 
>> files.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Night riding

[greenteadrinkers]

To augment my SON, I recently added a Paul Gino mount on my Sam, I then 
mount the small Cygolite on the Gino, beam pointed ahead close to the front 
of the wheel. The Cygolite fills in the area up close, while the SON can 
reach more out in front. Not sure if I love the set-up but, it's fun to try 
things out.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 3:20:23 PM UTC-5 Christopher Cote wrote:

> I'm mostly a trail rider these days. Having a good set of lights is a 
> game-changer for 4+ months out of the year. I do have to remind myself to 
> dial it back a notch at night, even (especially!) on familiar trails.
>
> Denis, great pics! Can you share any more details on that bike?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 7:34:50 PM UTC-5 Artaud wrote:
>
>> I love it! I just came back from a 40km ride on a mix of trails, roads 
>> and residential streets. I started 30 minutes before sunset and came back 
>> through pitch black streets. I had forgotten how cold it gets after sunset 
>> though.
>> I like how I hear different sounds, especially near the trails - it makes 
>> you feel tolerated (but maybe not quite welcome) by whatever critters lurk 
>> in the shadows...
>>
>> Denis, in NC
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_6612.jpg][image: IMG_6616.jpg]
>>
>> Le lundi 8 novembre 2021 à 19:14:55 UTC-5, Roberta a écrit :
>>
>>> I find night riding very stress relieving and soothing, because I ride 
>>> slower at night.  It's a great way to end the day.
>>>
>>> For my one bike that doesn't have Dyno lighting, I have two lights.  
>>> That way, no worrying.  On the back, I have three red lights.  I also have 
>>> reflector vest, triangle and reflector ankle straps (that Riv sells).  It's 
>>> the holiday season soon, so my bike will shortly be lit with holiday 
>>> lights.  How can you not feel good about that!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 6:57:10 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>>>
 I tried to post this yesterday, but it doesn't seem to have popped up.

 It's the time of year for riding at night. (??) I'd like to hear other 
 folks' strategies and recommendations for fun rides at night.

 My rides at night have mostly been 15-20 mile road rides, fairly fast. 
 The main problem I've had is relaxing, especially at higher speeds with 
 the 
 reduced visibility. I've been curious about trail riding but haven't tried 
 it.

 thoughts? I'm not buying dynamos right now, but have adequate lights, 
 backups, vest, etc. I'm mostly looking for ride ideas, things not to do, 
 things that are more fun than they sound, etc.

 Thanks

 Adam




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[RBW] Re: SON Rear Light Brightness?

[greenteadrinkers]

Just wanted to say, I do love the SON rear light on my Sam, it's nice to 
know it's there and always on. Not to sound like a salesman for Dinotte, 
after being hit three times, I went on the search for a good rear light 
solution. Can't remember how I found out about Dinotte, but I've had one 
for about 12 years and it's still solid. The light cost over $200, the 
build quality is amazing, it's not a disposable plastic AA-powered blinky. 
The light comes with a large number of mounting options, I have mounts on 
all my bikes for the one unit. If you ride alone during dawn, dusk, or at 
night (even during the day), people will see you and you can feel very 
confident in that. There are six different settings that are simple to move 
through. I usually stick to a slow intermittent blink, combined with the 
steady always-on SON I feel it's a very safe solution. The battery life is 
excellent. Cars slow while passing you, the SON provides the steady glow, 
and the Dinotte a nice punchy blink. Live to ride another day.

On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 12:51:17 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 4FA850B7-0773-4569-98F8-211F58FB6ADC.jpeg]
> I realized I’d caught my SON tail light in the photo I took of my bike 
> tonight. It’s pretty bright!
> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-7 Sean B. wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I currently have a SONdelux Wide-Body hub with a SON Edelux II headlight 
>> and was wanting to get a taillight as well. Does anyone have experience 
>> with the SON Rear Light? If so, how bright is it and what system are you 
>> using it on? I cant find many reviews online, so thought I'd ask y'all. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] SON Rear Light Brightness?

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I have a SON28, Edelux 2, and the SON rear light mounted on the backside of 
a Brooks. I don't feel totally safe with just the SON tail light, it's 
great that it's there, but I def. augment it with something much much 
stronger, namely a Diontte. I've been knocked off my bike three times in 
Philly, once I started to ride with a Dinotte, people def. could see me. 
The SON is cute, and it's nice to always have something on, but it's easy 
enough to overlook from a driver's point of view, and I'm not totally in 
love with the extra wiring going the rear of the bike. if I had this system 
built out again, I'd just go with a high-end battery-powered light, the 
Diontte is a game-changer in you have to ride in heavy traffic day or night.

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:31:54 AM UTC-4 Chris wrote:

> I have two bikes with dynamos one has a B top light small but the best 
> solution I’ve found is the B taillight built into my Curana C Lite. I 
> like the fender solution so much that that the bike with the top lite will 
> get C Lite fenders simply for the ease and cleanliness.
>
> Chris
>
> On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:11 PM, Mathieu Brown  wrote:
>
> Good day Sean,
>
>
> I know that this isn’t the answer to your question but both my local bike 
> shop and Rivendell stated, this fall (as I built up my own dyno Riv) that 
> for a lot of people, dyno rear lights might be more trouble than they’re 
> worth. 
>
> I ended up with a Cygolight HotRod, based on recommendation.
>
> Nice and bright.
>
> Team, please feel free to tell us we’re soft here by only going dyno in 
> the front…
>
> Mathieu Brown
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
> On Oct 26, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Sean B.  wrote:
>
> 
> Hello!
>
> I currently have a SONdelux Wide-Body hub with a SON Edelux II headlight 
> and was wanting to get a taillight as well. Does anyone have experience 
> with the SON Rear Light? If so, how bright is it and what system are you 
> using it on? I cant find many reviews online, so thought I'd ask y'all. 
>
> Thanks! 
>
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[RBW] Sam and 48 mm Oracle Ridge

[greenteadrinkers]

In the not too distant past someone had posted images showing 48 mm Oracle 
Ridge tires fitting a Sam (the version with the black paint and creme 
highlights), wondering if said person might be able to report how well they 
fit? 

I'm interested in moving from my 43 mm Rock n' Roads to something a little 
more stable on the steep loose gravel roads in Vermont.

Thanks!
Scott

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Re: [RBW] Fattest Tire on a QB?

[greenteadrinkers]

Running 700C X 42 Hurricane Ridge  
tubeless
 
on Cliffhangers with V/O Zepplin fenders on my 56cm Simple One, clearance 
with fenders is a little tight, but not too tight.
Scott  |  Amherst, MA

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-4 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Like John G I maxed out my orange QB with 700x45 Specialized Fatboys 
> shortly before I sold it. Here's a set of pictures I took for the buyer 
> showing the clearance: 
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskJEmRH3
>
> It looks like chainstay clearance was the limiting factor. If I remember 
> correctly these measured a little narrower than marked on H Plus Son TB14 
> rims.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 10:13:08 AM UTC-7 John G wrote:
>
>> Specialized Fatboy 45s, although I've recently gone back to 32s
>> https://flic.kr/p/2hFGfWf
>>
>> John G
>> Union Bridge, MD
>>
>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:52:45 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> Edit: by ROSE I meant RACE. The names are confusing to me still.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:45:11 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 The largest I've confidently fit on my orange 56 were Soma Cazadero 
 42s, Dyad rims, wheel around the back-middle of the dropouts. 
 I never tried any wider, as the chainstay clearance looks like the max 
 for my piece of mind. (I like riding it on rougher stuff than paved stuff, 
 so a hairline clearance is not an option for me)

 I'd be willing to bet that the UDs will fit. AND I may end up doing the 
 same move once I put the QB back together. I have the 650b ROSE "mullet" 
 set-up on my custom Bantam and the combination of knobs in front and file 
 tread in back is super fun on trails, good enough on pavement.

 Patch
 BK/NY


 On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:03:46 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:

> I had Big Apple 50s on mine. Fit was maybe a little tight but no paint 
> rubbed off, so I think it was good.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
> [image: 3448531380_84086b5829_c (1).jpg]
>
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:56:33 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> RG,   I used to be able to fit BG rock n roads ( 700x43) on my Orange 
>> 64 QB a few years back with the wheel in the middle to rear of the 
>> dropouts.   And the RnRs have some decent side knobs to take into 
>> account. 
>>  Not sure of exact mm clearance on each side but it was fine.-Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Robert Gardner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone --
>>
>> I recently saw a post on Instagram (which I have subsequently 
>> lost track of) that showed a QB rocking Ultradynamico 700ccs (I think 
>> they 
>> were the Rosè racers). 
>>
>> As I am in the market for some new rubber I thought -- WOWZA -- that 
>> would be fun. So, I'm throwing myself at the mercy of the few the proud 
>> the 
>> QB riders on this list. What's the fattest you've been able to go on a 
>> QB 
>> (if it helps, I ride a 58...)
>>
>> Thanks all --
>>
>> RGinDC
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Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[greenteadrinkers]

Sure, I'm not throwing shade, I love Riv, just my initial reaction.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:31:30 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The home page has a rotating set of pics of people working on or riding 
> Rivbikes in normal clothes. The mission statement of the company is below 
> this. I think it is sufficiently explanatory and inclusive. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:13:12 PM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> ... not to say that Riv needs to stuck in tweed. Brands evolve.
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:02:33 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> I totally get this is in process. My initial thoughts seem to be that 
>>> the "brand" is a bit missing from the site, or maybe it's a bit scattered 
>>> and broken up. The converted get it and know it and will put up with 
>>> anything because they love it. But those outside have to dig, thus it's not 
>>> doing a great job selling the Riv lifestyle. Thinking back to the mid-00's 
>>> the site had tweed all over the place, yeah heavy-handed, but it did a 
>>> great job communicating a visual language that translated into a lifestyle 
>>> and in the process helped reinvent cycling and the culture of cycling. 
>>> Right now, I have to dig to see or hear that story, I have to dig to be 
>>> sold that story. When I arrive at the home page I get is a full-frame image 
>>> of a middle-aged white dude fixing a flat. Cool shot for sure, but not very 
>>> inclusive. You don't want new customers to have to dig.
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:53:19 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, I see I missed the sidebar.  That's better!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:50:16 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that with a store that sells 
>>>>> bicycles, you should be able to get to the bicycles with one click from 
>>>>> whatever the default page is?
>>>>> Now: rivbike.com, scroll, scroll, scroll to the bottom, Product 
>>>>> Catalog, Bicycles & Frames...  
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree with Staff Bikes comment and Restock email alerts.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:56:30 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the 
>>>>>> redesign. Striding in the right direction :) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few thoughts follow. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Homepage photographs*
>>>>>> I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs 
>>>>>> here. And I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that 
>>>>>> sells incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> frames. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Product pages*
>>>>>> I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better 
>>>>>> resolution. A lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the 
>>>>>> old site. The mouse-over function on the old version never worked for 
>>>>>> me. I 
>>>>>> find that the huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and 
>>>>>> difficult to read. Would it be possible to have a gallery of product 
>>>>>> pictures towards the top with the text below, with the text running the 
>>>>>> full width of the page?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Category pages*
>>>>>> I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were 
>>>>>> displayed in a grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, 
>>>>>> allows the eye to follow a straight line. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Restock email alerts*
>>>>>> Gotta have these alerts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Newly updated/added*
>>>>>> Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
>>>>>> restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate 
>>>>>> it. 
>>>>>> I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But 
>>>>>> their 
>>>>>> site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
>>>>>> articles and information to incorp

Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[greenteadrinkers]

... not to say that Riv needs to stuck in tweed. Brands evolve.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:02:33 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> I totally get this is in process. My initial thoughts seem to be that the 
> "brand" is a bit missing from the site, or maybe it's a bit scattered and 
> broken up. The converted get it and know it and will put up with anything 
> because they love it. But those outside have to dig, thus it's not doing a 
> great job selling the Riv lifestyle. Thinking back to the mid-00's the site 
> had tweed all over the place, yeah heavy-handed, but it did a great job 
> communicating a visual language that translated into a lifestyle and in the 
> process helped reinvent cycling and the culture of cycling. Right now, I 
> have to dig to see or hear that story, I have to dig to be sold that story. 
> When I arrive at the home page I get is a full-frame image of a middle-aged 
> white dude fixing a flat. Cool shot for sure, but not very inclusive. You 
> don't want new customers to have to dig.
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:53:19 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Ah, I see I missed the sidebar.  That's better!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:50:16 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that with a store that sells 
>>> bicycles, you should be able to get to the bicycles with one click from 
>>> whatever the default page is?
>>> Now: rivbike.com, scroll, scroll, scroll to the bottom, Product 
>>> Catalog, Bicycles & Frames...  
>>>
>>> Agree with Staff Bikes comment and Restock email alerts.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:56:30 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the 
>>>> redesign. Striding in the right direction :) 
>>>>
>>>> A few thoughts follow. 
>>>>
>>>> *Homepage photographs*
>>>> I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs here. 
>>>> And I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that sells 
>>>> incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see the 
>>>> frames. 
>>>>
>>>> *Product pages*
>>>> I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better 
>>>> resolution. A lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the 
>>>> old site. The mouse-over function on the old version never worked for me. 
>>>> I 
>>>> find that the huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and 
>>>> difficult to read. Would it be possible to have a gallery of product 
>>>> pictures towards the top with the text below, with the text running the 
>>>> full width of the page?
>>>>
>>>> *Category pages*
>>>> I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were displayed 
>>>> in a grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, allows the eye 
>>>> to follow a straight line. 
>>>>
>>>> *Restock email alerts*
>>>> Gotta have these alerts
>>>>
>>>> *Newly updated/added*
>>>> Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
>>>> restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate 
>>>> it. 
>>>> I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But 
>>>> their 
>>>> site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
>>>> articles and information to incorporate. I appreciate Will's re-stock 
>>>> updates! 
>>>>
>>>> *Staff bikes*
>>>> I have always dug this page and wish it was more actively updated! 
>>>> Looking forward to the return. 
>>>>
>>>> *Article page*
>>>> This could be organized a bit better, perhaps with headings for 
>>>> categories with individual articles bulleted below. Having to click into 
>>>> each sub-category page is a little cumbersome. 
>>>>
>>>> *Sizing and geo page*
>>>> The chart is large! I can zoom in using the zoom function in my browser 
>>>> or right click to view at full size but on my MacBook the chart displays 
>>>> at 
>>>> a size that is small and pixelated and unreadable without user-end 
>>>> manipulation. 
>>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On the old s

Re: [RBW] New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[greenteadrinkers]

I totally get this is in process. My initial thoughts seem to be that the 
"brand" is a bit missing from the site, or maybe it's a bit scattered and 
broken up. The converted get it and know it and will put up with anything 
because they love it. But those outside have to dig, thus it's not doing a 
great job selling the Riv lifestyle. Thinking back to the mid-00's the site 
had tweed all over the place, yeah heavy-handed, but it did a great job 
communicating a visual language that translated into a lifestyle and in the 
process helped reinvent cycling and the culture of cycling. Right now, I 
have to dig to see or hear that story, I have to dig to be sold that story. 
When I arrive at the home page I get is a full-frame image of a middle-aged 
white dude fixing a flat. Cool shot for sure, but not very inclusive. You 
don't want new customers to have to dig.
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:53:19 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> Ah, I see I missed the sidebar.  That's better!
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 3:50:16 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that with a store that sells 
>> bicycles, you should be able to get to the bicycles with one click from 
>> whatever the default page is?
>> Now: rivbike.com, scroll, scroll, scroll to the bottom, Product Catalog, 
>> Bicycles & Frames...  
>>
>> Agree with Staff Bikes comment and Restock email alerts.
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:56:30 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the alert, Dave! Been looking forward to seeing the redesign. 
>>> Striding in the right direction :) 
>>>
>>> A few thoughts follow. 
>>>
>>> *Homepage photographs*
>>> I really dig the wild, free, low-light, long exposure photographs here. 
>>> And I generally really dig and admire the idea that a place that sells 
>>> incredible bikes has a front page where you can't even really see the 
>>> frames. 
>>>
>>> *Product pages*
>>> I'm glad that you can finally see things in bigger and better 
>>> resolution. A lot of these pictures are way way way crispier than on the 
>>> old site. The mouse-over function on the old version never worked for me. I 
>>> find that the huge, long column of text is a bit tricky to parse and 
>>> difficult to read. Would it be possible to have a gallery of product 
>>> pictures towards the top with the text below, with the text running the 
>>> full width of the page?
>>>
>>> *Category pages*
>>> I would find it easier to browse if all of the products were displayed 
>>> in a grid with each shown at the same size. Easier to scan, allows the eye 
>>> to follow a straight line. 
>>>
>>> *Restock email alerts*
>>> Gotta have these alerts
>>>
>>> *Newly updated/added*
>>> Would it be possible to have a page where newly added and updated and 
>>> restocked items could appear together? Crust does this and I appreciate it. 
>>> I've noticed another Crust comparison above, they did a nice job. But their 
>>> site is almost entirely a store, without the blog, news feed and tons of 
>>> articles and information to incorporate. I appreciate Will's re-stock 
>>> updates! 
>>>
>>> *Staff bikes*
>>> I have always dug this page and wish it was more actively updated! 
>>> Looking forward to the return. 
>>>
>>> *Article page*
>>> This could be organized a bit better, perhaps with headings for 
>>> categories with individual articles bulleted below. Having to click into 
>>> each sub-category page is a little cumbersome. 
>>>
>>> *Sizing and geo page*
>>> The chart is large! I can zoom in using the zoom function in my browser 
>>> or right click to view at full size but on my MacBook the chart displays at 
>>> a size that is small and pixelated and unreadable without user-end 
>>> manipulation. 
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 1:37:20 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
 On the old site, Email when back in stock would never deliver to my 
 Apple email account, only my work one. Wouldn’t show in junk folder either

 On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:18:23 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I'll spend some time getting used to it before commenting but one 
> thing I noticed is the geometry chart is compressed a bit too much and 
> isn't really legible - though right-click and open in a new window solves 
> that issue :) 
>
> The old website was endearing but was certainly in need of a refresh! 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[greenteadrinkers]

Hahaha, love this.

Riv> Creedence Clearwater Revival
Surly> Captain Beefheart
Bruce Gordon> Steely Dan
Crust> Naplam Death

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:18:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite 
> pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click 
> bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the 
> actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
> apparently gets asked a lot. 

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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[greenteadrinkers]

I've found that insulated crocs do well in the 40-35 degree zone. Easy on, 
easy off. 
Scott
On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 8:18:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks Will B and Will D. I have an older pair of the Lake winter shoes 
> (even older than the MXZ303, from looking at the pictures), and they're 
> quite warm I usually have to wear them only a few times each winter, but 
> when I need them, I'm glad I have them. I had a pair of later Lake winter 
> road boots, but didn't like those as much and sold them when I switched to 
> SPDs on my road bikes.
>
> I know that the neoprene covers are an essential part of the protection 
> system, but I really would prefer a boot without them, with room for 2 
> pairs of wool socks, including an outer, heavier pair, and thickish uppers 
> and a sole with some tread. But then, I rarely have to ride in slush or 
> rain or sleet.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:50 PM Will Boericke  wrote:
>
>> They are an older model of Shimano shoes.  The current version has some 
>> name like MW7.  Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar.   The 
>> collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still going 
>> strong.  I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + cold 
>> weather mtb and road duty in the shoulder season.  They are probably 1/2 
>> size larger than my Sidis: extra room for socks and happy warm feet.  The 
>> only downside (which I think is corrected in the newer model) is that the 
>> sole is just plastic.  I have done several headers in them, one notably in 
>> my backyard on ice under snow.  Luckily I was wearing my helmet.  Wish I 
>> had footage.
>>
>> When I replace them, I might spring for Lake's winter shoes.  I think 
>> they are the ne plus ultra of winter shoes.
>>
>> Will, keeping feet dry and riding in all temps.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 12:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter 
>>> bike shoes?
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in ABQ, 
>>> NM
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke  wrote:
>>>
 Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent, 
 bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12 
 degrees yesterday, no problem.



 On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in 
> cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot 
> blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold 
> weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of 
> running outside in temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I 
> ran; I went X-country skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was 
> poor-grad-student cheap: regular running shoes over thick wool socks from 
> some sort of Eastern Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat 
> pants, 
> and cotton T shirt under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high quality 
> but very old anorak with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and 
> *toque,* and cheap fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever felt 
> cold on that -17* high day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and open 
> anorak zipper halfway through my 4 miles, running, not jogging. 
> Interesting, I always felt more energetic on very cold days; I guess the 
> body expends little energy in heat dissipation when it's well below 
> freezing (temps when snow feels like dense styrofoam). My puny youthful 
> moustache would be entirely encased in a chrysalis of ice (this was late 
> '70s and early '80s).
>
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] All-Road Revolution book illustrator Miyoshi???

[greenteadrinkers]

Anyone know if the illustrator named "Miyoshi" has a online portfolio?

Thanks!
Scott

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[RBW] Re: When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[greenteadrinkers]

You might consider keeping your eyes open for a SimpleOne in your size. I 
sat on my SO frameset for like 8 years, finally built it out, and love it. 
It's basically single or two-speed Sam depending on how you set up the 
drivetrain. They generally seem to go under the radar, not as much love or 
desire as a QB, but, it's a killer frameset.

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 3:14:30 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I agree with the abandoners, it sounds like a lot of work and cash still 
> ahead of you for something you're just not that into. I'd cut bait and 
> sell. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 8:50:40 AM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Short story, I have a frame and fork I want to build up, but with the 
>> COVID supply issues, and the rising costs of the project to reach 
>> completion, I am starting to consider ending the project and selling the 
>> parts I have been saving it for to try and recoup some of the costs.
>>
>> For those that have also thrown in the towel and moved on (to, most 
>> likely, another bike project), what was the final straw? Any words of 
>> wisdom to keep chugging along?
>>
>> Happy Festivus,
>> Collin, airing his grievances, in Sacramento
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[greenteadrinkers]

Aside from a Sam, just to throw a curveball... I'd also consider a Crust 
Bombora.

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-5 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:

> Hi Philip,
>
> Welcome to the bunch!  I have previously owned Atlantis (50cm) and 
> Appaloosas (46 and 51).  Have ridden friend's 51cm Hillborne a few times. 
>  Currently own a Roadini and a Susie.
>
> Appaloosa would be more versatile than Sam.   Both are real fun bikes.  If 
> want to turn the knob slightly toward roadish, Sam would fit the bill. 
>  Appa is more gravel kind, also behaves relatively better for loaded rides. 
>  If you want to turn the knob even more to the right, Susie/Wolbis is an 
> excellent experience.  With Susie you give up some speed, but in return you 
> get more comfort, stability and utility.
>
> See you around,
>
> Ash
>
> On Wednesday, 9 December 2020 at 23:52:31 UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
>> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>> overnights.
>>
>> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
>> or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended 
>> the Appaloosa.
>>
>> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-12-03 at 8.03.40 AM.png]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[greenteadrinkers]

Might be worth reading up on Sunk Cost Fallacy:

https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

Scott

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> Ok, so short story long:
>
> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as part 
> of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the ground. 
> This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out 
> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, 
> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>
>- (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts 
>(cause why not?) and canti posts
>- (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>- (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the 
>rear for even more clearance
>- (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original wheels 
>are now sold
>- (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos 
>which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>- (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers 
>(see above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>- (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but no 
>freewheel yet.
>
> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I 
> am more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket 
> combo and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when 
> it comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a 
> more expensive bike than I'd like.
>
> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique 
> of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.) 
> and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect. 
> The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique 
> feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on 
> it.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sactown
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding 
>> how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty 
>> impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still 
>> new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there 
>> is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an 
>> exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once complete, 
>> I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and 
>> bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and 
>> that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash, 
>> then maybe different story.  
>
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[RBW] Re: Blue Hillborne pics?

[greenteadrinkers]

@Erik, ha, sneaky! With the 650b wheelset, have you noticed a difference 
with toe overlap vs. the 700c wheelset? I've been considering mounting 48mm 
Oracle Ridges on my Sam, currently, I have 43mm Rock n' Roads on the Sam, 
and 42mm Hurricane Ridges on my Simple One, all mounted tubless on 
Cliffhangers. Really love the smooth, quiet, and confident feel of 42mm 
Hurricane Ridges, and they fit perfectly under V/O Zeppelin Fenders. For 
reference, the Simple One has around the same clearance as the Sam. I'm 
also wondering if there's justification to switch from 42mm to 48mm tires? 
A larger volume of air, but less clearance? With the 48's I suppose there 
would be more issue with toe overlap as well, you also lose the option of 
fendering. Another idea I'm considering is a 42mm Hurricane Ridge upfront 
and a 44mm Snoqualmie Pass in the back, could also put a 48mm Oracle Ridge 
upfront with the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass in the back. I'm just thinking out 
loud here, thanks for listening!
Scott, Western MA via West Philly

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:

> Those are 27.5x2.1" Thunderburts on there, mounted to Velocity Dyads. I 
> did a temporary 650b conversion on my Hillborne- I had a local framebuilder 
> add canti posts at 650b height, then used Paul Motolites to switch between 
> 650b and 700c. I'm back to 700c now rolling on 700x50 Gravelking SKs. Not 
> sure if I'll ever really go back to 650b, but I like options.
>
> Clearance was very tight with the 27.5x2.1" and is equally tight with the 
> 700x50mm. I think if I went back to 650b I'd do a 2"/50mm tire, but I'm not 
> totally convinced there's a justifiable "why" for that right now.
>
> I've attached a photo of the bike in two other setups. Its current drop 
> bar'd Gravelking setup, and a Choco bar'd Snoqualmie Pass'd setup I had for 
> most of 2020.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 4:40:34 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> @Erik - what size Thunder Burts? Nice build!  -Scott
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 2:26:34 PM UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: Sam_2019s.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:00:28 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: SingleSpeedSam50.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Laing
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 11:49:33 AM UTC-5 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone want to share their blue Sam pics? I just got a blue frame and 
>>>>>> I'm looking for some inspiration!
>>>>>
>>>>>

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