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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah

Did you try your current AL bars in a DIFFERENT stem??   Did the  bars 
'tick' in the different stem???

I probably missed it in the previous posts.  Get mixed up between all the 
Technomics

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Mark Roland

Yeah, I'm generally not a proponent of greasing the stem-handlebar 
interface as noted in my reply above. But of course a seat post gets 
greased and is also not designed to move, and many have lubed the stem/bar 
area to get rid of noise. So assuming the bar and stem are the correct size 
for one another,  I suppose it may be fine. Although I recall one time 
putting some T-9 on my squeaky saddle springs, and one of the nuts holding 
the spring undid itself shortly thereafter. DW-40 might actually be better 
in this application, as it tends to dry sticky.

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:51:11 AM UTC-4, Sal wrote:
>
> I was replying to this: "I’m hoping the T9 works its way deeper into the 
> crevices. I have real stem grease coming via Amazon tomorrow - do you all 
> think I should add that to the stem/bar interface as well? "
>
> The stem/bar interface should get nothing, the stem/steerer interface 
> should get grease, and I'll admit I missed what crevices the T-9 is 
> supposed to be working its way into... it won't hurt the stem/steerer 
> interface but it probably won't help much either: a thicker grease is 
> better there. 
>
> Boeshield is for where you want to lube or prevent corrosion, neither of 
> which is the case at the handlebar clamp. *Handlebar clamp area should be 
> clean and dry and the correct size for the stem being used*, otherwise 
> bar may slip. Worth checking all threads involved (stem bolts) and making 
> sure the *threads* aren't dry, though. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:26:11 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Sal, she says she used a little Boeshield on it. Is that ok and grease is 
>> bad, or are you saying nah to both? 
>
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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

2020-06-18 Thread Ryan M.

Back when I had my Roadeo I ran them with Compass Stampede Pass tires, 
standard casing, tubed. I don't remember getting flats with those, at least 
not abnormally so. I thought the ride was great with them.

Since then, I've ridden Antelope Hill tires, standard casing, tubeless 
using them on a mountain bike of mine. I love that combination when riding 
gravel and even on pavement. Such a great cushy tire. I have not had a flat 
on these.

I'm also riding Steilacoom, standard casing tires on a cyclocross bike and 
they have been dang good. I'm running those tubed though as the wheels I'm 
running them on are not tubeless compatible. No flats yet on them.

The only issue I've had out of any of these tires is finding the Antelope 
Hill tires breaking traction when going uphill on loose gravel roads, and 
that probably has more to do with me being a less than graceful rider. 

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:37:46 AM UTC-5, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually 
> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since 
> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah

Sounds like a harrowing ride.

When you got home, was the nut on the stem clamp bolt loose???   If so how 
much loose

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Nick Payne

On Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:29:32 UTC+10, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>

The Technomic Deluxe uses the triangular nut you describe, but the taller 
Technomic stems come with a standard hex nut. There's supposed to be a lip 
that one of the flats of the hex nut bears against to stop it turning, but 
the lip is not very deep.



Nick



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[RBW] FS: Dynaplug Megapill

2020-06-18 Thread Collin A

Heyo,

I've been using the Stan's Dart more and tend to prefer it a bit more than 
the Dynaplug style of tubeless trail repair. It's worked great in fixing 
the occasional tubeless puncture, regardless.

Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/W5XjU4VPwu1cg94G8

It currently has 6 standard plugs (one extra) and 1 mega plug (one less). 
It has some rubbing and anodizing wear from rumbling around in my tool bag, 
but it still does it's job.

Asking $60 shipped (75 new I believe).

Cheers,
Collin in Sac

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Joe Bernard

I believe the situation is this, based on information I have: the steel bar fit 
in both of her stems just fine, and is ever-so-slightly bigger in diameter than 
her new alu Bosco, a phenomenon I also discovered whilst owning both bars. 
They're both nominally 25.4, but one is more and one less. 

What happened was Leah aka Bicycle Belle aka Lone Wolf Leah popped her 
new/smaller bar in that stem and it slightly ovalized around its new smaller 
host, creating a gap somewhere which the bar is responding to by ticking or 
creaking as the two metals try to move around in that nearly invisible gap. 
I've certainly seen this ovalizing before, but never had a noise problem with 
it. For the moment the T9 seems to have filled that space and the noise is 
gone. Yay!

Someone asked about the steel vs. aluminum Bosco. Her alu version is 52cm vs. 
the steel 55. 

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[RBW] Re: Headset/Headtube Issues on New Atlantis

2020-06-18 Thread AntiCorgi

Thanks all for the helpful advice! Long story short, I'm going to try out a 
new headset to see if it fixes the issue. To answer some questions:

If your Atlantis new? Did the shop measure the headtube inner diameter and 
> the headset cup diameter to ensure they're sized correctly and round? I'll 
> guess that someone used a JIS headset cup on the ISO headtube. The 
> difference (30.2 vs 30.0mm) is exactly like what you're describing.
>
The Atlantis is new, and has the stock FSA Duron X headset that Riv 
pre-installs on their new frames.

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 7:29:55 PM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> If your Atlantis new? The ends of the Atlantis headtube is reinforced, so 
> it's unlikely to get ovalized unless someone was trying really hard, or the 
> bike hit something. Did the shop measure the headtube inner diameter and 
> the headset cup diameter to ensure they're sized correctly and round? If 
> the bike is new, I'll guess that someone used a JIS headset cup on the ISO 
> headtube. The difference (30.2 vs 30.0mm) is exactly like what you're 
> describing.
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[RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

2020-06-18 Thread Adam Leibow

I have several locks including the Bordo I bought from Riv. The Bordo is 
great since it's more substantial than any cable lock (in that bolt cutters 
won't be enough to get through it). I use it as the sole lock only in 
"light" lockup situations (areas I feel safe in and for short periods of 
time). I live in SF, so usually my lockup situations are "heavy" such that 
the Bordo is supplementary to at least one U-lock and I have to strongly 
consider whether I can lock up the bike at all. In summary, it's a great 
lock whether it's the only lock needed or one of several needed. 

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-7, Vincent Tamer wrote:
>
> So I notice the Abus Bordo came back in stock on the Riv site. Does anyone 
> have any experience with this lock?
>
> I've been considering it because I wanted a quick lock up lock for my Clem 
> Smith opposed to my ulock and cable.  I also wanted to support Riv. :)
>
>
> What do you all use in the various conditions that you lock your bike up 
> in?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Leah Peterson

I tried the bars in a different Technomic stem, same hex nut, and no ticking.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:06 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah
> 
> Did you try your current AL bars in a DIFFERENT stem??   Did the  bars 'tick' 
> in the different stem???
> 
> I probably missed it in the previous posts.  Get mixed up between all the 
> Technomics
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah

Based on everything so far, I think the problem is:

The stem clamp is oversized and not a 'true' 25.4mm clamp.  It results in 
insufficient clamp force on the AL bar allowing sipping, but provides 
enough force on the CrMo bar to hold it in place.

Why:  The Al bar does not creak in a Techonomic stem with a similar hex 
nut.  This indicates the bar center section is the correct diameter for a 
25.4mm stem clamp.  I am assuming the similar stem has a 25.4mm stem clamp

Possible Test:  The ticking should occur after you install the triangular 
nut, since insufficient bolt torque is not the direct cause.

Possible Solution:  Install a Nitto Shim (25.4 to 26) to counter the 
oversize clamp.  You can try only 1/2 the shim (it comes as split pair) and 
see if the tick stops.

There maybe issues with the bolt itself, but I can not think of the 
mechanism.

Don't mean to be short, got to get my house chores done.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Ultradynamico Tires

2020-06-18 Thread Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)

Ultradynamico just released 700c versions 
 of their tires and I'm thinking 
about ordering a pair for my 60cm Chev. Specifically I'm looking at the JFF 
Cava model, though I'm concerned by the *"Zero sidewall protection and no 
puncture protection on top for premium ride quality"* line in the 
description. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with these tires as 
all-arounders. Most of my riding is in on paved streets in an urban 
environment with the occasional trail and gravel road. 

Will they be disastrous/flat-prone on city streets? I saw in Grant's latest 
blog 

 that 
Riv will be carrying them in the near future as they move to streamline 
their tire offerings, so I feel some confidence given Riv historically 
promoting practical/anti-flat tires. But who knows? Should I consider the 
Robusto, which are slightly more expensive but at least have some sidewall 
protection? Any thoughts more than welcome.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Leah Peterson

I don’t know. I went after my whole bike with hex keys to see if I could find 
the source of the ticking. When I went to tighten the bolt at the stem clamp, I 
noticed the hex nut also turning, making the bolt feel stripped to me. I had my 
husband mess around with the hex nut, so not sure if it was loose or not. But 
we did make sure it was nice and snug at the end of our fussing with it. The 
tick never improved.

Next day I used the T9 on the interface of stem/bar and it seems to have 
stopped for now.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 5:58 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah
> 
> Sounds like a harrowing ride.
> 
> When you got home, was the nut on the stem clamp bolt loose???   If so how 
> much loose
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: Biggest Tires on a Roadini?

2020-06-18 Thread EGNolan

My (new to me) Roadini came with SimWork Volummy 38's. They had plenty of 
clearance under the Dia-Compe Centerpulls. I, like most, opted to put Bon 
Jon's on. Not for the size, really, but because I had them and like their 
plush ride. It honestly looks to me like there's room for fenders w/ the 
35's, but I may be more comfortable than some with tight clearances.

Eric

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Leah Peterson

Here is another thing someone PMd me that may be of interest. I have not done 
this yet, but it sounds like a good next step If the ticking returns: 

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/creaks.html#bars

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 16, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have the extra tall Nitto stem with 50 mm reach. SomaFab makes it, Riv got 
> it for and sold it to me and I love it. Everything seemed fine and then I 
> gave my Clementine that major makeover I’ve gone on about on a separate 
> thread. While I was lightening my bike I decided I should swap the cromo 55 
> Boscos for 52 aluminum Boscos. And those I love as well - they are perfect 
> for me.
> 
> However, I noticed I’ve developed a strange ticking in the bars. Yes, it’s 
> definitely from there, but what is NOT clear is if it’s the stem or the new 
> Boscos. I took a video tonight, and you can hear the sound. It happens 
> randomly, regardless of whether or not I’m pushing on my bars, but I can 
> *also* create the ticking by jostling the bars. I’ll include a video where 
> you can hear it in the next post. 
> 
> Anyway, let’s talk about the stem first. Two things:
> 1. When I slid my new aluminum Boscos into the clamp on my stem and went to 
> tighten the bolt, the bolt felt “stripped.” Which it could not possibly be, 
> and which I had never experienced before (I installed the 55 cromo bars with 
> no issue). Opposite the bolt is a nut that requires you to stabilize it with 
> a wrench while you use your hex key to tighten the clamp onto your bars. 
> Weird. 
> 
> 2. Can the ticking sound be because the stem is used to the cromo bar that 
> was installed prior, and now it won’t play well with another bar?
> 
> Bars. 
> 1. The aluminum bars have a sheath in the middle, where the clamp goes. Could 
> the sheath have something to do with the ticking sounds? I have heard Nitto 
> has QC issues. Could that be what I’m experiencing?
> 
> Videos and link to the stem in next post. One day, maybe I’ll get my bike 
> problems solved. Oh, how you all long for that day!
> Sorry! And thanks,
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Patrick Moore

The Soma stem worked with the steel Bosco, which has a sleeve (judging by
the catalogue photo), and the aluminum Bosco worked fine with the Tech
Deluxe; so it looks as if tiny manufacturing variations just cause
sufficient mismatch between this particular stem and this particular bar. I
agree that if all is as it should be with stem and bar, the bar should not
creak in the stem clamp, and that well-matched bar and stem don't require
lubrication to keep them quient, but I suppose that there are always chance
variations that on occasion can add up to a de facto mis-match.

Me, I'd look for another stem or another bar, but I realize that this is
not a solution that will appeal to everyone. Perhaps in this case the extra
weight of the steel Bosco will be preferable to the creak? What is the
difference in weight, anyway?

I'll be curious to hear of the resolution.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 8:36 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> I tried the bars in a different Technomic stem, same hex nut, and no
> ticking.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:06 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Leah
>
> Did you try your current AL bars in a DIFFERENT stem??   Did the  bars
> 'tick' in the different stem???
>
> I probably missed it in the previous posts.  Get mixed up between all the
> Technomics
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
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[RBW] Re: Headset/Headtube Issues on New Atlantis

2020-06-18 Thread Sal

Actually most, if not all, of the headset (cups) are installed before the 
frames get to Riv, so it's possible it's some sort of an assembly-line 
issue and just the wrong cup size in there, and it got missed during the 
build-up. Hope it's an easy fix.

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I would call Rivendell as your next step. Maybe have the shop and Riv 
> communicate about the problem, so everyone is on the same page? Maybe its a 
> manufacturing issue vs. a damage in shipping in issue. I would try to get 
> it resolved before going further. Good luck and sorry to hear about the 
> issue.
>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 12:35:05 PM UTC-4, AntiCorgi wrote:
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Hope everyone reading this is doing well and staying healthy.
>>
>> I recently had a MIT 55cm 700c Atlantis built up for me, and upon 
>> receiving it noticed a bit of play in the headset region (e.g. I held the 
>> front brake and rocked back and forth and heard a "clunking/clicking" noise 
>> and saw some movement between the threaded upper race and upper pressed 
>> race). I took it to a local bike shop to have it tightened, but no matter 
>> how much they tightened it, they were not able to get rid of the play. They 
>> asked me to leave it with them so they could take apart the headset and 
>> check out what was going on, which is what I did.
>>
>> Yesterday, I received a call back from them reporting that they started 
>> to take apart my headset, and in the process of doing so they reported that 
>> the "lower headset cup was moving around in the frame" and said that they 
>> think the head-tube is ovalized and I should get in touch with "the 
>> manufacturer" about it. Understandably, I'm pretty bummed about this 
>> development, but I'm wondering if I should try to get a second opinion 
>> here? Namely, are there other reasons why the lower headset cup could be 
>> moving around in the frame? 
>>
>> I haven't even ridden the bike yet so it seems pretty unlikely that the 
>> head-tube would be ovalized - the shipping box it came in was in good 
>> condition and everything else was fine. I'm by no means an expert in bike 
>> maintenance/mechanics so I can't think of a non-riding reason for this to 
>> occur.  I did get insurance on the shipping, so if it ends up that it was 
>> damaged due to a hard drop or something I should be covered.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Day Ride Kit

2020-06-18 Thread Ryan M.

Most of my riding consists of hour to two hour long rides either mtb or on 
the back country roads by the house. It's all recreation and I don't ever 
have a destination. Generally I don't carry much except water. I usually 
wear a button down rayon shirt or one of those long sleeve fishing shirts 
from Columbia sports wear company. I actually still wear bib shorts, which 
I find totally comfortable for riding...during the summer that is. If I'm 
out riding in colder weather I layer up with some long sleeve hiking shirts 
and thicker gloves and I wear insulated leggings I've had for years. Still 
going strong too. Bibshorts are on but underneath all that. I just really 
like the comfort of bib shorts. On the feet I switch from regular sneakers, 
to five ten mtb shoes, to insulated work boots in the winter, to Sidi mtb 
clipless things with buckles and velcro for when I'm riding the cyclocross 
bike with shimano spd pedals. 

On the bike I generally carry tools, tube, pump apparatus in a saddle bag 
of some sort. I have a range of sizes to choose from. Now that the farmers 
are putting up their local stands full of produce I am probably going to 
install my medium saddle sack and a rack onto the appaloosa and start 
filling it up with goodness on my rides. 

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 10:05:31 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> What is your day ride kit, why, and for what type of riding?
>
> - coffee in thermos and insulated (soon to be a wood quaich/ kuksa)
> - pipe and tobacco kit
> - ventile cotton analogy rain jacket from Hilltrek
> - fishnet long john shirt (turns my sun shirt into a medium weight 
> insulated shirt, but I have to put it next to the skin. Weighs near nothing 
> and takes minimal space. It and my rain jacket would be sufficient for 95% 
> of days, but the weather folks don't get the five % right very often, so I 
> haul wool...)
> - (often) boiled wool 3-season weight sweater (extra layers cause it snows 
> anytime, and thunderstorms can drop temps into the 40's, dump hail for an 
> hour or more, and then keep on raining steady if they settle in)
> - Sitting tarp
> - Bike kit (pump, tube, patch, allen tool, et al)
> - Buck 110 knife
> - Digital typewriter (Freewrite: think Kindle e-reader on an quality 
> mechanical keyboard)
> - Camera, tripod, etc.
> - Irish straps and shopsack for shopping pick up days.
> - Fire tinder kit (the only time you need a fire is when it's too wet to 
> start one. Grin.)
> - compass
> - rosary
> -pen knife
> - water pen light purifier
> - no food. I prefer to ride fasted
>
> Why so much? Because I want to ride however long I ride, regardless of 
> weather. With a brain that can get overloaded by overstimulation, I go 
> prepared to emergency overnight if required). I haven't weighed the set up, 
> but it's likely 2/3rds of the way to my overnight/weeklong/forever set up 
> weight. Add tent, bag, pad, food, more water bottles, and I'm good for 
> forever. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Leah Peterson

John, what you say is true. Nitto products are expensive and should work 
perfectly. And even though you’re right and I should talk to Riv about this, I 
don’t think I can do it. If I discovered it was the bar (which I purchased from 
Rivendell’s website directly), I would definitely ask for their assistance. But 
it feels like the acquisition of this Soma stem was a favor to me, so I’m 
chickening out about complaining.

I’m still not sure which part is the defective party.

1. The SomaFab Nitto stem worked wonderfully with my 55 cromo Bosco bar.
2. I switched the 55 for the 52 aluminum Bosco and THAT’S when the noise 
started.
3. I then swapped stems to see what would happen. Replacing the Tall Boy with a 
regular Technomic stem and my new 52 aluminum bars = no noise.
4. Still not willing to leave well enough alone, I lubed the stem/bar interface 
and put Tall Boy back on the bike with new 52 aluminum Bosco (which was the 
setup in question) and no noise.

I fear I may never know. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:26 PM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Joe 
> 
> I would expect Nitto to have designed the tolerances of THEIR stem and THEIR 
> bar to mate every time, if both are labelled 25.4mm.  IF a problem occurs, 
> Then it is POOR manufacturing, and not a "Oh Well, that's how it goes, we 
> just have to accept it".  Certainty not what we expect from Japanese quality 
> for a pretty pricey stem, $99.99 on the Soma site.
> 
> Based on what was stated, the noise still exists with the nut tightened with 
> a wrench holding it.  A shim would correct the dimensional mismatch and is 1 
> solution. 
> 
> These problems are typically a 'chicken/egg" problem, was the bar always 
> undersized or was the NEW stem oversized.  I suggest the stem is the problem 
> as it was the last change.  The bar can be measured for clamp area diameter, 
> 25.4mm per Nitto catalog & and ovality. 
> 
> As others have pointed out, any liquid lubricate does not stop movement due 
> to dimensions not being correct.  
> 
> Finally, I think RBW has some responsibility in this as they sold Leah the 
> 280mm quill Technomic and it appears to have an oversized stem clamp.  Grant 
> is not shy about stating how close/well they work Nitto.  This is a chance 
> for them to prove it, help Leah with her problem so she is :
> 1.  a satisfied customer
> 2.  Does NOT have lingering fears of riding, due to noises made by the 
> manufacturer not adhering to tolerances.
> Note, I am faulting RBW for not knowing this when they sold it.  They 
> specified the correct size stem for the bar and there is no reason to check 
> it ahead of time
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
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[RBW] Re: Can I fit J. App. or AHH in back of Civic or Impreza with back seat down?

2020-06-18 Thread Julian Westerhout

Roberta, 

I'd go with the hatchback regardless -- lots more versatility and room with 
no downsides that I can see. 

Can't speak to the current models, but I owned a 1990s Impreza hatchback 
and that thing carried remarkably big loads -- smallish outside, huge 
inside -- like magic!  

You might not usually need the extra space, but it's fantastic when you do 
need it -- to carry two bikes inside, perhaps, or a chair, or lots of 
camping gear and a dog, or:)

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 


On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-5, Roberta wrote:
>
> I'm away from home without my bikes and found I need to buy a another 
> car.  I'm looking at the Civic and Imprezza sedans, but will go with the 
> hatchback versions if needed.  I'm leaning more toward Civic.  I haven't 
> seen either yet, just internet research.
>
> Currently (until Tuesday, that is), I put down my back seats,  took the 
> front wheel off and put a bike laid down on a diagonal in my Jetta Hybrid. 
> Can anyone confirm that they do the same with the Civic or Imprezza?  I 
> just need a bike to fit one way or another.  I'll also install a hitch, but 
> it's nice to have options.
>
> I'm only looking at those two cars.  I'm looking for short length for 
> easier parallel parking, as good mpg as possible (I drive long distances a 
> lot--sorry), less expensive than your "average" car, and a great ride 
> (Jetta Hybrid was GREAT).  I know, two out of three...or three out of 
> four...  
>
> I do have a car to drive home this weekend for test fitting next weekend.  
> For those who are curious, $5,600 for a new transmission in my hybrid on a 
> 98,000 mile car.  I have no issues spending the money there, but I'm 
> wondering what else I have in store for me...
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>
>
>

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[RBW] Fire Season Smoke Ridin' Tips

2020-06-18 Thread tuolumne bikes

We encounter two common scenarios in the Sierra foothills. 

1. Fires dispersed across CA and generally bad air quality. When this happens 
the air doesn't usually smell like smoke, but it looks bad. I have to decide 
whether to ride based on AQ data--unhealthful for... When I was a teen in LA 
this was routine without fires.

2. Fire nearby in the Sierra. Smells like smoke and AQ data is not really 
applicable. The smoke sinks overnight and shifts to rise as the day heats up. 
Often some minimal riding can be done by paying attention to winds and time of 
day.

As seasons go fire season smoke is more limiting than the summer heat.

Carl

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[RBW] Can I fit J. App. or AHH in back of Civic or Impreza with back seat down?

2020-06-18 Thread Roberta

I'm away from home without my bikes and found I need to buy a another car.
I'm looking at the Civic and Imprezza sedans, but will go with the
hatchback versions if needed. I'm leaning more toward Civic. I haven't
seen either yet, just internet research.

Currently (until Tuesday, that is), I put down my back seats, took the
front wheel off and put a bike laid down on a diagonal in my Jetta Hybrid.
Can anyone confirm that they do the same with the Civic or Imprezza? I
just need a bike to fit one way or another. I'll also install a hitch, but
it's nice to have options.

I'm only looking at those two cars. I'm looking for short length for
easier parallel parking, as good mpg as possible (I drive long distances a
lot--sorry), less expensive than your "average" car, and a great ride
(Jetta Hybrid was GREAT). I know, two out of three...or three out of
four...

I do have a car to drive home this weekend for test fitting next weekend.
For those who are curious, $5,600 for a new transmission in my hybrid on a
98,000 mile car. I have no issues spending the money there, but I'm
wondering what else I have in store for me...

Thanks,
Roberta

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Re: [RBW] Re: Can I fit J. App. or AHH in back of Civic or Impreza with back seat down?

2020-06-18 Thread Steve Palincsar

Put fenders on; that will make the loading vastly more difficult (if not 
outright impossible) and will simplify your decision.


On 6/18/20 3:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

While the hatchback is certainly simpler for loading bikes, I own a large sedan 
('17 Chevy Impala) and can vouch for the benefit of an enclosed trunk. I drive 
a lot for work and usually have stuff rattling around back there, but it's out 
of sight and mostly silent. If I ever wear this one out I might go hatchback or 
SUV next because the bike loading IS more difficult with a sedan, but that 
wouldn't be an easy decision.


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[RBW] Re: Can I fit J. App. or AHH in back of Civic or Impreza with back seat down?

2020-06-18 Thread Roberta

Thanks. 

If I see a car before I get home to my bikes, I’ll feel ok to buy it. If not, I 
will be bringing the AHH with me next weekend.   AHH is 54.5, Appaloosa is 51. 
Doubtful I’d put both in the car simultaneously. 

Yes, last car buying experience I did bring my bike.  I was probably known as 
the “weird bike woman” from then on. 

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