Re: new upgrade policy
The point is that IF Softimage was abandoned, still has legs to last another 3-5 years in production while we users retrain to something other than Maya. The irony is (provided they kill it) I won't be putting my money into Autodesk if I can avoid it. My only fear is The Foundry being sold to Autodesk but I am confident anti monopoly laws would stop such a deal. Jb Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2014, at 07:00, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. From: Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 March 2014 08:28 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: new upgrade policy
Anti monopoly rules Should have prevented xsi's buyout for that matter... Em sábado, 1 de março de 2014, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com escreveu: The point is that IF Softimage was abandoned, still has legs to last another 3-5 years in production while we users retrain to something other than Maya. The irony is (provided they kill it) I won't be putting my money into Autodesk if I can avoid it. My only fear is The Foundry being sold to Autodesk but I am confident anti monopoly laws would stop such a deal. Jb Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2014, at 07:00, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zajavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','angus.david...@wits.ac.za'); wrote: Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. *From:* Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com'); ] *Sent:* 01 March 2014 08:28 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'); *Cc:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'); *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com'); wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. -- Gustavo E Boehs Dpto. de Expressão Gráfica | Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina | http://www.gustavoeb.com.br/
Re: new upgrade policy
Heck even the Aliás buyout Em sábado, 1 de março de 2014, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com escreveu: Anti monopoly rules Should have prevented xsi's buyout for that matter... Em sábado, 1 de março de 2014, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jordiba...@gmail.com'); escreveu: The point is that IF Softimage was abandoned, still has legs to last another 3-5 years in production while we users retrain to something other than Maya. The irony is (provided they kill it) I won't be putting my money into Autodesk if I can avoid it. My only fear is The Foundry being sold to Autodesk but I am confident anti monopoly laws would stop such a deal. Jb Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2014, at 07:00, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. *From:* Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 01 March 2014 08:28 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Cc:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. -- Gustavo E Boehs Dpto. de Expressão Gráfica | Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina | http://www.gustavoeb.com.br/ -- Gustavo E Boehs Dpto. de Expressão Gráfica | Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina | http://www.gustavoeb.com.br/
Re: new upgrade policy
Yep, I agree. Considering the rather slow pace at which Autodesk develops new things (note that I do not count buy outs as developing new things) XSI will last at least another 5 years if development should come to a stop. I mean, I still work with SI 2012 SAP, which is now three years old, and frankly I do not miss anything. - Original Message - From: Jordi Bares To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: Re: new upgrade policy The point is that IF Softimage was abandoned, still has legs to last another 3-5 years in production while we users retrain to something other than Maya. The irony is (provided they kill it) I won't be putting my money into Autodesk if I can avoid it. My only fear is The Foundry being sold to Autodesk but I am confident anti monopoly laws would stop such a deal. Jb
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And as stated before.. even better, that means another 5 years of budget that you can redirect to such fine fellows and developers as our Mr, Mootz here and others ;) I see a lot of beer coming your way guys, just keep us happy and sales will rise :) On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com wrote: Yep, I agree. Considering the rather slow pace at which Autodesk develops new things (note that I do not count buy outs as developing new things) XSI will last at least another 5 years if development should come to a stop. I mean, I still work with SI 2012 SAP, which is now three years old, and frankly I do not miss anything. - Original Message - *From:* Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Cc:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2014 11:49 AM *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy The point is that IF Softimage was abandoned, still has legs to last another 3-5 years in production while we users retrain to something other than Maya. The irony is (provided they kill it) I won't be putting my money into Autodesk if I can avoid it. My only fear is The Foundry being sold to Autodesk but I am confident anti monopoly laws would stop such a deal. Jb
Re: new upgrade policy
Your support is greatly appreciated, thank you! - Original Message - From: Mirko Jankovic To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:08 PM Subject: Re: new upgrade policy And as stated before.. even better, that means another 5 years of budget that you can redirect to such fine fellows and developers as our Mr, Mootz here and others ;) I see a lot of beer coming your way guys, just keep us happy and sales will rise :) On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com wrote: Yep, I agree. Considering the rather slow pace at which Autodesk develops new things (note that I do not count buy outs as developing new things) XSI will last at least another 5 years if development should come to a stop. I mean, I still work with SI 2012 SAP, which is now three years old, and frankly I do not miss anything.
Re: new upgrade policy
Working on anything special at the mo Eric ? if you would like to share ? On 1 March 2014 14:17, Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com wrote: Your support is greatly appreciated, thank you! - Original Message - *From:* Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:08 PM *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy And as stated before.. even better, that means another 5 years of budget that you can redirect to such fine fellows and developers as our Mr, Mootz here and others ;) I see a lot of beer coming your way guys, just keep us happy and sales will rise :) On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com wrote: Yep, I agree. Considering the rather slow pace at which Autodesk develops new things (note that I do not count buy outs as developing new things) XSI will last at least another 5 years if development should come to a stop. I mean, I still work with SI 2012 SAP, which is now three years old, and frankly I do not miss anything.
Re: new upgrade policy
cheers, nice to glimpse the cookies while they are still in the oven :) On 1 March 2014 15:25, Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com wrote: At the moment I am finishing the brand new polygonizer core. It produces really clean meshes, is faster, less blobby and less flickery than all its predecessors. It will be available in the up-coming emTopolizer2 update in March. Then there is the new emTools. It will have some new and handy little compounds as well as the so-called Liquid Particle Shaper. An example of latter can be seen here https://vimeo.com/84752755 and here https://vimeo.com/86033749. The next emTools will be released together with emTopolizer2. In April I will finally release emFluid5... providing Softimage with real volumes, yeah! In fact the beta of emFluid5 has already been used in quite some productions and the only real reason why it has not been released is the lack of documentation and video tutorials (emFluid5 is currently rather techy). It will nevertheless get released as public alpha version and things like demo scenes, tutorials, etc. will follow shortly. Finally there are also some first Fabric Engine plugins in the pipeline: for starters there will be the previously mentioned new polygonizer core available as a so-called Fabric Extension, meaning that KL will have a new function/class called something like polygonize that one can use in its code. After that the plan is to start implementing a liquid solver KL. There are also plans to port emFluid5 to Fabric Engine. - Original Message - *From:* Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:27 PM *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy Working on anything special at the mo Eric ? if you would like to share ?
Re: new upgrade policy
If emF could be ported to KL and supported as an integral part of the framework that would be of great benefit to the plataform. I dont mean the solver itself but the volume editing part. The solver itself could be sold separatly. Em 01/03/2014 11:26, Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com escreveu: At the moment I am finishing the brand new polygonizer core. It produces really clean meshes, is faster, less blobby and less flickery than all its predecessors. It will be available in the up-coming emTopolizer2 update in March. Then there is the new emTools. It will have some new and handy little compounds as well as the so-called Liquid Particle Shaper. An example of latter can be seen here https://vimeo.com/84752755 and here https://vimeo.com/86033749. The next emTools will be released together with emTopolizer2. In April I will finally release emFluid5... providing Softimage with real volumes, yeah! In fact the beta of emFluid5 has already been used in quite some productions and the only real reason why it has not been released is the lack of documentation and video tutorials (emFluid5 is currently rather techy). It will nevertheless get released as public alpha version and things like demo scenes, tutorials, etc. will follow shortly. Finally there are also some first Fabric Engine plugins in the pipeline: for starters there will be the previously mentioned new polygonizer core available as a so-called Fabric Extension, meaning that KL will have a new function/class called something like polygonize that one can use in its code. After that the plan is to start implementing a liquid solver KL. There are also plans to port emFluid5 to Fabric Engine. - Original Message - *From:* Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:27 PM *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy Working on anything special at the mo Eric ? if you would like to share ?
Re: new upgrade policy
Jordi, I agree completely. Softimage can easily be used for 3-5 years as a production tool in it's current release. Over the last few years we have seen more development from FabricEngine, SolidAngle, Exocortex, Mootz, and many others compared to the development from Autodesk. I'm certain if the plugin developers continue to support Softimage we will have a very viable and competitive tool for many years. Where would you rather have your software budget go? I've been looking for alternatives since the last Siggraph and I don't see anything on the market that comes close to the speed and production efficiency I currently have in XSI+Arnold+Crate. It's an extremely comprehensive tool kit off the shelf. I'm not too worried... Votch Levi On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that IF Softimage was abandoned, still has legs to last another 3-5 years in production while we users retrain to something other than Maya. The irony is (provided they kill it) I won't be putting my money into Autodesk if I can avoid it. My only fear is The Foundry being sold to Autodesk but I am confident anti monopoly laws would stop such a deal. Jb Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2014, at 07:00, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. *From:* Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 01 March 2014 08:28 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Cc:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: new upgrade policy
Right now is imho the best 3D package overall and still today I see myself struggling to get things done with any other package that are a breeze in XSI. If I was to setup a company today I would still buy Softimage as base tool and Houdini as FX pipeline, simple as that. Regarding Autodesk pace, it has been horrendous since the acquisition. Just look at the release feature list the year before and the year after and goes from pages to tiny features like changing an icon. Today's market is pretty much dominated by AD and hence the sluggish *Everything*, but I really hope competition makes them think about it and look forward to help them provided they get their finger's out of their *. If anyone on the list from AD want a constructive critique and help to move the product forward I will be the first to contribute. my 2 cents. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 1 Mar 2014, at 17:04, Votch megavo...@gmail.com wrote: Jordi, I agree completely. Softimage can easily be used for 3-5 years as a production tool in it's current release. Over the last few years we have seen more development from FabricEngine, SolidAngle, Exocortex, Mootz, and many others compared to the development from Autodesk. I'm certain if the plugin developers continue to support Softimage we will have a very viable and competitive tool for many years. Where would you rather have your software budget go? I've been looking for alternatives since the last Siggraph and I don't see anything on the market that comes close to the speed and production efficiency I currently have in XSI+Arnold+Crate. It's an extremely comprehensive tool kit off the shelf. I'm not too worried... Votch Levi On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that IF Softimage was abandoned, still has legs to last another 3-5 years in production while we users retrain to something other than Maya. The irony is (provided they kill it) I won't be putting my money into Autodesk if I can avoid it. My only fear is The Foundry being sold to Autodesk but I am confident anti monopoly laws would stop such a deal. Jb Sent from my iPhone On 1 Mar 2014, at 07:00, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. From: Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 March 2014 08:28 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
RE: new upgrade policy
Learn Maya? No thanks. Personally I would prefer a total severing of all ties with AD. They're not a great company and in general I would prefer to support one that is smaller, and more focused on what I do instead of being almost an afterthought. If only their stockholders knew that they have been intentionally suppressing the marketing and sales of an excellent product like Soft. Instead of letting consumers decide what's a more viable product for their needs, they've buried it for years now and that's a fact. Is it any wonder sales aren't great? They've been pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining. I hope someone gets their ass fired for it. Wishful thinking for sure... Eric On Mar 1, 2014 2:01 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. *From:* Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 01 March 2014 08:28 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Cc:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: new upgrade policy
100%, companies that own their own destiny and their core business is us are very few, those are the ones I want to work with. Side Effects, Next Limit, Massive, SciencDVision (equalizer)… Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 1 Mar 2014, at 21:34, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Learn Maya? No thanks. Personally I would prefer a total severing of all ties with AD. They're not a great company and in general I would prefer to support one that is smaller, and more focused on what I do instead of being almost an afterthought. If only their stockholders knew that they have been intentionally suppressing the marketing and sales of an excellent product like Soft. Instead of letting consumers decide what's a more viable product for their needs, they've buried it for years now and that's a fact. Is it any wonder sales aren't great? They've been pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining. I hope someone gets their ass fired for it. Wishful thinking for sure... Eric On Mar 1, 2014 2:01 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. From: Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 March 2014 08:28 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: new upgrade policy
Learn Maya? No thanks. It wasn't rain ? Le 01/03/2014 22:34, Eric Lampi a écrit : Learn Maya? No thanks. Personally I would prefer a total severing of all ties with AD. They're not a great company and in general I would prefer to support one that is smaller, and more focused on what I do instead of being almost an afterthought. If only their stockholders knew that they have been intentionally suppressing the marketing and sales of an excellent product like Soft. Instead of letting consumers decide what's a more viable product for their needs, they've buried it for years now and that's a fact. Is it any wonder sales aren't great? They've been pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining. I hope someone gets their ass fired for it. Wishful thinking for sure... Eric On Mar 1, 2014 2:01 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. * * *From:* Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com mailto:mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 01 March 2014 08:28 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Cc:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com mailto:mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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Add Fabric Engine to that Paul On 1 Mar 2014, at 21:53, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: 100%, companies that own their own destiny and their core business is us are very few, those are the ones I want to work with. Side Effects, Next Limit, Massive, SciencDVision (equalizer)… Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 1 Mar 2014, at 21:34, Eric Lampi ericla...@gmail.com wrote: Learn Maya? No thanks. Personally I would prefer a total severing of all ties with AD. They're not a great company and in general I would prefer to support one that is smaller, and more focused on what I do instead of being almost an afterthought. If only their stockholders knew that they have been intentionally suppressing the marketing and sales of an excellent product like Soft. Instead of letting consumers decide what's a more viable product for their needs, they've buried it for years now and that's a fact. Is it any wonder sales aren't great? They've been pissing on our heads and telling us it's raining. I hope someone gets their ass fired for it. Wishful thinking for sure... Eric On Mar 1, 2014 2:01 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. From: Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 March 2014 08:28 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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:* Re: new upgrade policy It'll be fine for a few years... That's my point exactly, Steve. We're not talking in terms of weeks or months, but in years. There's a lot of life in Softimage still, and based on the events of the last few years, that life is not contingent solely upon AD's actions. Softimage is an extensible tool that will allow it to be viable for, as you said, a few more years. I don't think that's denial though. If anything it's an acknowledgment. I totally agree with what Sylvain said as well. Move things intelligently and not all at once. With the life left in Softimage, we should all have plenty of time to figure out our transitions. -Tim On 2/27/2014 10:26 PM, Steve Parish wrote: I see that everyone is at different stages at the moment, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model#Stages Refusing to accept the fact is still stage 1! Its pretty obvious that one has to adapt or die. Who knows any compositors who will only work in Shake? It'll be fine for a few years but as soon as Arnold isnt being released for Soft (for example) you'll have to make a decision as to whether you want to stay in older versions or use the new technologies. The advice that Sylvain gave in another thread was pretty wise, change one department at a time. Rendering and lighting is a good start particularly if its an Arnold pipeline. I'm obviously crushed, but the writing has been on the wall for a long time. What's sad is that this kind of feels like the end of the road for the generalist. What could be achieved with a small crack team of XSI generalists now literally requires twice as many specialists with TD's supporting the scripts to make it all work. In terms of switching to non-Autodesk software, looking around the city at the available jobs, thats not really an option. I know I'm going to be the guy that moans how easy this would be in Soft... Good luck! Steve P On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: clap clap clap clap! best words so far by now... the day i'll see a better 3d software than softimage, i'll do the move, meanwhile and after 15 years it gave me all the tools that i need to make my work and have fun while i do it, with the price that i'm almost out of the local market that look for 3d mayans. Hoping to see again in the job boards studios looking for softimage artists... those are my 2 cents. F. On Thursday, February 27, 2014, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I still see no reason to jump ship at all. Unless they Soft devs working on Maya introduce not only ICE to Maya, but some amazing improvement that only exists in Maya, maybe. But I'll wager that ICE is not the only reason people have built pipelines around Softimage. People seem to think that if you axe the product now, it ceases to function. We're going to stop making hammers now, so whatever hammers you bought from us will no longer work. But when AD purchased XSI, they purchased a mature toolset that has stood the test of time and has gone largely untouched since the acquisition! When someone tells me that AD will 'cease upgrades' for Softimage, I think to myself 'haven't they been doing that for some time now?' The core toolset for which we (Magnetic) use Softimage is intact and reliable as ever. We don't rely on ICE to the degree some of you do, but we do rely on the following: - the modeling toolset - passes/partitions/overrides - referenced models - operator stacks - animation toolset - API and customizability - raw performance and stability - the flippin component tweak tool - etc... And if I understand correctly (I wasn't into XSI at the time of the acquisition), these are feature sets that AD didn't contribute, and have barely touched. So in my view, they've already been 'not upgrading' Softimage for years. More tragically though, the ceasing of development on Softimage would trigger a slow death of 3rd party development for it, especially if people get all gloomy and doomy and jump ship. All the 3rd party effort that has been poured into Softimage tools over the last few years has been amazing (!), and has done far more to enhance my productivity than anything AD ever did (apart from, admittedly, improving the underlying platform for ICE-based solutions). Redshift comes out of nowhere like a champ, revolutionzing our renders. Eric Mootz, year after year, provides bridges for people get the power of ICE without needing the underlying technical know-how (as do many others!). Jeremie Passerin and Miquel Campos give us rigging tools. Eric and Chris give us a jump on characters with Species. Ben and Helge deliver the most robust, feature-friendly alembic implementation available to the public. rray.de/xsi is rife with contributions that are functional improvements to the system and provide real solutions to real problems. If Softimage
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A BIG +1 on this Emilio. That is the only good place to put money atm. Morten Den 27. februar 2014 kl. 19:21 skrev Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: Well for me and for what I do is alive and kicking and as long as third party devs continue to bring us wonderful things, I now don't have to think about stupid subscritpions or ADSK client oriented policies. Now all my money is destinated to third party devs that will continue to support Softimage no matter what. Thanks ADSK for relieving the pain of being tied to a stupid and imbecil lack of vision and support. Welcome Fabric Engine, Mootz, Fuzz, Exocortex, Redshift, etc. You will still have my money with great pleasure. 2014-02-27 12:15 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com mailto:krisri...@gmail.com : Oh its real...its dead...going to be soon...I assure you. Wish we could just take the entire thing and privately take over. But no...all its secrets, power and coolness is locked tight in a damn Autodesk vault. Very sad. Kris
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This is really sad...and a big punch in the workflow.. The irony is that i started doing 3d some 20 years ago with lightwave and an Amiga (another sad case), made the transition and started professionally with Softimage | 3D,now after commiting so much time and energy to this software which is my work tool in a daily basis,ADSK pulls the plug...and Lightwave still goes on...ironic.. If this is all true... will keep going with SI for some time,but eventually i'll have to transition... I think at the very least ADSK should have the decency to implement a transition help program to whoever want's to go to Maya or Max,in the form of license transfer or big discount to SI users...and produce especific online video tutorials helping SI users making that transistion... let's see how it goes... Rui - www.ruisantos3d.com - Original Message - From: Morten Bartholdy To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: Re: new upgrade policy A BIG +1 on this Emilio. That is the only good place to put money atm. Morten Den 27. februar 2014 kl. 19:21 skrev Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: Well for me and for what I do is alive and kicking and as long as third party devs continue to bring us wonderful things, I now don't have to think about stupid subscritpions or ADSK client oriented policies. Now all my money is destinated to third party devs that will continue to support Softimage no matter what. Thanks ADSK for relieving the pain of being tied to a stupid and imbecil lack of vision and support. Welcome Fabric Engine, Mootz, Fuzz, Exocortex, Redshift, etc. You will still have my money with great pleasure. 2014-02-27 12:15 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com : Oh its real...its dead...going to be soon...I assure you. Wish we could just take the entire thing and privately take over. But no...all its secrets, power and coolness is locked tight in a damn Autodesk vault. Very sad. Kris --- Este email está liivre de vírus e malware porque a proteção avast! Antivirus está ativa. http://www.avast.com
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and to say again AD hasn't done on SI front for years anyway, real developing was done with 3d party guys that we all know well.. much better than anyone form AD really. So plug is pulled when those guys say so not AD. looks soo like Y2k bug. a lot of doom and gloom but after nothing really changes and more and more great work with SI will be done On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:03 AM, rs3d r...@sapo.pt wrote: This is really sad...and a big punch in the workflow.. The irony is that i started doing 3d some 20 years ago with lightwave and an Amiga (another sad case), made the transition and started professionally with Softimage | 3D,now after commiting so much time and energy to this software which is my work tool in a daily basis,ADSK pulls the plug...and Lightwave still goes on...ironic.. If this is all true... will keep going with SI for some time,but eventually i'll have to transition... I think at the very least ADSK should have the decency to implement a transition help program to whoever want's to go to Maya or Max,in the form of license transfer or big discount to SI users...and produce especific online video tutorials helping SI users making that transistion... let's see how it goes... Rui - www.ruisantos3d.com - Original Message - *From:* Morten Bartholdy x...@colorshopvfx.dk *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 9:28 AM *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy A BIG +1 on this Emilio. That is the only good place to put money atm. Morten Den 27. februar 2014 kl. 19:21 skrev Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: Well for me and for what I do is alive and kicking and as long as third party devs continue to bring us wonderful things, I now don't have to think about stupid subscritpions or ADSK client oriented policies. Now all my money is destinated to third party devs that will continue to support Softimage no matter what. Thanks ADSK for relieving the pain of being tied to a stupid and imbecil lack of vision and support. Welcome Fabric Engine, Mootz, Fuzz, Exocortex, Redshift, etc. You will still have my money with great pleasure. 2014-02-27 12:15 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com : Oh its real...its dead...going to be soon...I assure you. Wish we could just take the entire thing and privately take over. But no...all its secrets, power and coolness is locked tight in a damn Autodesk vault. Very sad. Kris -- http://www.avast.com/ Este email está liivre de vírus e malware porque a proteção avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ está ativa.
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exactly – and if they are about to pull the plug, no way you’d quickly invest some more money in it. From: Sam Bowling Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 5:07 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: new upgrade policy To me, the upgrades haven’t been worth the upgrade price lately (still on 2013 for Softimage), what makes them think I would pay full price for the next one? If it comes to dropping that much money on an upgrade I’m going to do some serious looking around before spending anything. Autodesk has stagnated in development big time. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:29 PM To: Softimage List Subject: new upgrade policy So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris
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If the rumor is true, I guess it means Konami gave up on Softimage, can someone confirm this? Another question that come to mind is what will happen to this list? --- Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos http://www.cappuccino-films.com 2014-02-28 11:57 GMT+01:00 pete...@skynet.be: exactly - and if they are about to pull the plug, no way you'd quickly invest some more money in it. *From:* Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 5:07 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* RE: new upgrade policy To me, the upgrades haven't been worth the upgrade price lately (still on 2013 for Softimage), what makes them think I would pay full price for the next one? If it comes to dropping that much money on an upgrade I'm going to do some serious looking around before spending anything. Autodesk has stagnated in development big time. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Kris Rivel *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:29 PM *To:* Softimage List *Subject:* new upgrade policy So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris
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You know I always wondered about the Japanese SI users, are their any on the list ? Softimage is well liked in Japan, or that is what i here most of the time, but you never really see the guys from capcom namco konami sony nintendo, on the list. On 28 February 2014 12:16, Ahmidou Lyazidi ahmidou@gmail.com wrote: If the rumor is true, I guess it means Konami gave up on Softimage, can someone confirm this? Another question that come to mind is what will happen to this list? --- Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos http://www.cappuccino-films.com 2014-02-28 11:57 GMT+01:00 pete...@skynet.be: exactly - and if they are about to pull the plug, no way you'd quickly invest some more money in it. *From:* Sam Bowling sbowl...@cox.net *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 5:07 AM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* RE: new upgrade policy To me, the upgrades haven't been worth the upgrade price lately (still on 2013 for Softimage), what makes them think I would pay full price for the next one? If it comes to dropping that much money on an upgrade I'm going to do some serious looking around before spending anything. Autodesk has stagnated in development big time. *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Kris Rivel *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:29 PM *To:* Softimage List *Subject:* new upgrade policy So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris
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As far as the list goes. I am sure it will be around in some form. Most likely not under the influence of Autodesk. We have to o helpful and passionate a group to disappear all together. Cant recall any of them posting, but Luceric has mentioned a few times they go and visit them a bit. Maybe they have a more direct line then the rest of us do. Sound business sense if they are your biggest customer. From: Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.commailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com Reply-To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Date: Friday 28 February 2014 at 1:30 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy You know I always wondered about the Japanese SI users, are their any on the list ? Softimage is well liked in Japan, or that is what i here most of the time, but you never really see the guys from capcom namco konami sony nintendo, on the list. On 28 February 2014 12:16, Ahmidou Lyazidi ahmidou@gmail.commailto:ahmidou@gmail.com wrote: If the rumor is true, I guess it means Konami gave up on Softimage, can someone confirm this? Another question that come to mind is what will happen to this list? --- Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos http://www.cappuccino-films.com 2014-02-28 11:57 GMT+01:00 pete...@skynet.bemailto:pete...@skynet.be: exactly – and if they are about to pull the plug, no way you’d quickly invest some more money in it. From: Sam Bowlingmailto:sbowl...@cox.net Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 5:07 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: new upgrade policy To me, the upgrades haven’t been worth the upgrade price lately (still on 2013 for Softimage), what makes them think I would pay full price for the next one? If it comes to dropping that much money on an upgrade I’m going to do some serious looking around before spending anything. Autodesk has stagnated in development big time. From:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:29 PM To: Softimage List Subject: new upgrade policy So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /span/font/td /tr /table
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Disney had a hand in funding Maya's development, so i guess that is one link On 28 February 2014 14:01, Ed Manning etmth...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.comwrote: I'm on a project which has been under development for nearly 9 years and is expected to be on the market as an iterated product for several years. We cannot switch so easily. Even if we rewrote our tools and had them up and running today to accommodate a different 3D product, we still have 9 years of backlog to support to the end of this project's days - that's a lot of content. ... The ability to exhume and modify that data, if necessary, could be a real problem down the line as operating systems, graphics APIs and other infrastructures continue to evolve. Matt Hey Matt -- Out of genuine curiosity -- can your employers not get a source code license out of AD? IIR, deals like that were not unknown among the larger studios -- or was that all pre-acquisition? Ed
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.comwrote: I'm on a project which has been under development for nearly 9 years and is expected to be on the market as an iterated product for several years. We cannot switch so easily. Even if we rewrote our tools and had them up and running today to accommodate a different 3D product, we still have 9 years of backlog to support to the end of this project's days - that's a lot of content. ... The ability to exhume and modify that data, if necessary, could be a real problem down the line as operating systems, graphics APIs and other infrastructures continue to evolve. Matt Hey Matt -- Out of genuine curiosity -- can your employers not get a source code license out of AD? IIR, deals like that were not unknown among the larger studios -- or was that all pre-acquisition? Ed
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I don't think that is an option as AD isn't going to give up source code which holds many patents. If they did, I would tend to think the asking price would be too steep. But let's pretend AD offers the source code and the price is affordable - is Softimage really worth the price of acquiring as a business venture? Based on all the pieces of information I've gathered about the product over the years, it sounds like it would take a few years just to get familiar with the code and be comfortable enough to do any significant work. While one could inherit a nice system like ICE, animation mixer, render pass system, and so on. To put new features into it would likely require a lot of study of existing code for ripple effect of adding new features or implementing significant changes. The application as a whole is still tremendously useful and a great general purpose 3D environment, but it's design is from the 1990's and showing its age in some areas. The user interface is still single threaded, the playback engine isn't the speediest and doesn't loop nicely, and the real time shaders aren't real time. Some of the things we would want to implement in Softimage if we had the source code would be things that I don't think the architecture supports - ability to put modeling operators outside the modeling marker or pin them into specific slots of the construction history to enforce order of evaluation, for example. On a personal level, having been around the product for so long I would be extremely interested in looking and tinkering with the source code, and perhaps fix/modify stuff that always drove me nuts. It would at least explain why certain things are the way they are. I always thought it be a nice gesture if at Siggraph you'd get swag in the form of a capsule on a keychain that contained all the source code to discontinued product(s). Granted, this will not likely ever happen due to patents, trade secrets, and other business interests, but would be good for customer morale and developing interest in 3D animation. I wonder if anybody would gain anything (business-wise) from obtaining the Softimage|3D code today considering its successor is also on its way out to pasture? It would be more useful swag than T-shirts or CD cases. As for my employer, I cannot speak on their behalf. Matt Hey Matt -- Out of genuine curiosity -- can your employers not get a source code license out of AD? IIR, deals like that were not unknown among the larger studios -- or was that all pre-acquisition? Ed
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Well if at some point it happens that another company is interested in buying Sofitmage from ADSK. I belive they will have a very good handicap to make this adjustments. And I believe we will all be patient with them while they change the old stuff. Some things can be address right away if in that acquisition de devs go with them. Fix some bugs, minor adjustments, etc. While they at the same time start to polish and update the core. So really buying Softimage is not that bad. As it is right now it is rocking hard and strong. Cheers! 2014-02-28 13:22 GMT-06:00 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com: I don't think that is an option as AD isn't going to give up source code which holds many patents. If they did, I would tend to think the asking price would be too steep. But let's pretend AD offers the source code and the price is affordable - is Softimage really worth the price of acquiring as a business venture? Based on all the pieces of information I've gathered about the product over the years, it sounds like it would take a few years just to get familiar with the code and be comfortable enough to do any significant work. While one could inherit a nice system like ICE, animation mixer, render pass system, and so on. To put new features into it would likely require a lot of study of existing code for ripple effect of adding new features or implementing significant changes. The application as a whole is still tremendously useful and a great general purpose 3D environment, but it's design is from the 1990's and showing its age in some areas. The user interface is still single threaded, the playback engine isn't the speediest and doesn't loop nicely, and the real time shaders aren't real time. Some of the things we would want to implement in Softimage if we had the source code would be things that I don't think the architecture supports - ability to put modeling operators outside the modeling marker or pin them into specific slots of the construction history to enforce order of evaluation, for example. On a personal level, having been around the product for so long I would be extremely interested in looking and tinkering with the source code, and perhaps fix/modify stuff that always drove me nuts. It would at least explain why certain things are the way they are. I always thought it be a nice gesture if at Siggraph you'd get swag in the form of a capsule on a keychain that contained all the source code to discontinued product(s). Granted, this will not likely ever happen due to patents, trade secrets, and other business interests, but would be good for customer morale and developing interest in 3D animation. I wonder if anybody would gain anything (business-wise) from obtaining the Softimage|3D code today considering its successor is also on its way out to pasture? It would be more useful swag than T-shirts or CD cases. As for my employer, I cannot speak on their behalf. Matt Hey Matt -- Out of genuine curiosity -- can your employers not get a source code license out of AD? IIR, deals like that were not unknown among the larger studios -- or was that all pre-acquisition? Ed
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I can't find the webpage, but remember just before Autodesk bought Softimage, Softimage won several tech/software awards from the community. So much promise! Does anyone remember that more specifically? On 2/28/2014 12:49 PM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: Well if at some point it happens that another company is interested in buying Sofitmage from ADSK. I belive they will have a very good handicap to make this adjustments. And I believe we will all be patient with them while they change the old stuff. Some things can be address right away if in that acquisition de devs go with them. Fix some bugs, minor adjustments, etc. While they at the same time start to polish and update the core. So really buying Softimage is not that bad. As it is right now it is rocking hard and strong. Cheers! 2014-02-28 13:22 GMT-06:00 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com mailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com: I don't think that is an option as AD isn't going to give up source code which holds many patents. If they did, I would tend to think the asking price would be too steep. But let's pretend AD offers the source code and the price is affordable -- is Softimage really worth the price of acquiring as a business venture? Based on all the pieces of information I've gathered about the product over the years, it sounds like it would take a few years just to get familiar with the code and be comfortable enough to do any significant work. While one could inherit a nice system like ICE, animation mixer, render pass system, and so on. To put new features into it would likely require a lot of study of existing code for ripple effect of adding new features or implementing significant changes. The application as a whole is still tremendously useful and a great general purpose 3D environment, but it's design is from the 1990's and showing its age in some areas. The user interface is still single threaded, the playback engine isn't the speediest and doesn't loop nicely, and the real time shaders aren't real time. Some of the things we would want to implement in Softimage if we had the source code would be things that I don't think the architecture supports -- ability to put modeling operators outside the modeling marker or pin them into specific slots of the construction history to enforce order of evaluation, for example. On a personal level, having been around the product for so long I would be extremely interested in looking and tinkering with the source code, and perhaps fix/modify stuff that always drove me nuts. It would at least explain why certain things are the way they are. I always thought it be a nice gesture if at Siggraph you'd get swag in the form of a capsule on a keychain that contained all the source code to discontinued product(s). Granted, this will not likely ever happen due to patents, trade secrets, and other business interests, but would be good for customer morale and developing interest in 3D animation. I wonder if anybody would gain anything (business-wise) from obtaining the Softimage|3D code today considering its successor is also on its way out to pasture? It would be more useful swag than T-shirts or CD cases. As for my employer, I cannot speak on their behalf. Matt Hey Matt -- Out of genuine curiosity -- can your employers not get a source code license out of AD? IIR, deals like that were not unknown among the larger studios -- or was that all pre-acquisition? Ed
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It's pretty much the software that wove the cinematic experiences of my childhood and I never new: Casper, Joe's apartment, independence day, the Matrix, MIB, Fight Club Jurassic Park, Titanic the Mask etc... It was responsible for several Academy Award Nominations let alone community awards. Sony E, ILM, Weta ? On 28 February 2014 21:43, David Gallagher davegsoftimagel...@gmail.comwrote: I can't find the webpage, but remember just before Autodesk bought Softimage, Softimage won several tech/software awards from the community. So much promise! Does anyone remember that more specifically? On 2/28/2014 12:49 PM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: Well if at some point it happens that another company is interested in buying Sofitmage from ADSK. I belive they will have a very good handicap to make this adjustments. And I believe we will all be patient with them while they change the old stuff. Some things can be address right away if in that acquisition de devs go with them. Fix some bugs, minor adjustments, etc. While they at the same time start to polish and update the core. So really buying Softimage is not that bad. As it is right now it is rocking hard and strong. Cheers! 2014-02-28 13:22 GMT-06:00 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com: I don't think that is an option as AD isn't going to give up source code which holds many patents. If they did, I would tend to think the asking price would be too steep. But let's pretend AD offers the source code and the price is affordable - is Softimage really worth the price of acquiring as a business venture? Based on all the pieces of information I've gathered about the product over the years, it sounds like it would take a few years just to get familiar with the code and be comfortable enough to do any significant work. While one could inherit a nice system like ICE, animation mixer, render pass system, and so on. To put new features into it would likely require a lot of study of existing code for ripple effect of adding new features or implementing significant changes. The application as a whole is still tremendously useful and a great general purpose 3D environment, but it's design is from the 1990's and showing its age in some areas. The user interface is still single threaded, the playback engine isn't the speediest and doesn't loop nicely, and the real time shaders aren't real time. Some of the things we would want to implement in Softimage if we had the source code would be things that I don't think the architecture supports - ability to put modeling operators outside the modeling marker or pin them into specific slots of the construction history to enforce order of evaluation, for example. On a personal level, having been around the product for so long I would be extremely interested in looking and tinkering with the source code, and perhaps fix/modify stuff that always drove me nuts. It would at least explain why certain things are the way they are. I always thought it be a nice gesture if at Siggraph you'd get swag in the form of a capsule on a keychain that contained all the source code to discontinued product(s). Granted, this will not likely ever happen due to patents, trade secrets, and other business interests, but would be good for customer morale and developing interest in 3D animation. I wonder if anybody would gain anything (business-wise) from obtaining the Softimage|3D code today considering its successor is also on its way out to pasture? It would be more useful swag than T-shirts or CD cases. As for my employer, I cannot speak on their behalf. Matt Hey Matt -- Out of genuine curiosity -- can your employers not get a source code license out of AD? IIR, deals like that were not unknown among the larger studios -- or was that all pre-acquisition? Ed
Re: new upgrade policy
Don't forget about Dragon Heart. I read the article on CG magazine quiet a long time ago. They were supposed to end the whole feature in Maya. But then after modeling, they just couldn't move the dragon. So they animated it in Softimage. 2014-02-28 15:20 GMT-06:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com : It's pretty much the software that wove the cinematic experiences of my childhood and I never new: Casper, Joe's apartment, independence day, the Matrix, MIB, Fight Club Jurassic Park, Titanic the Mask etc... It was responsible for several Academy Award Nominations let alone community awards. Sony E, ILM, Weta ? On 28 February 2014 21:43, David Gallagher davegsoftimagel...@gmail.comwrote: I can't find the webpage, but remember just before Autodesk bought Softimage, Softimage won several tech/software awards from the community. So much promise! Does anyone remember that more specifically? On 2/28/2014 12:49 PM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: Well if at some point it happens that another company is interested in buying Sofitmage from ADSK. I belive they will have a very good handicap to make this adjustments. And I believe we will all be patient with them while they change the old stuff. Some things can be address right away if in that acquisition de devs go with them. Fix some bugs, minor adjustments, etc. While they at the same time start to polish and update the core. So really buying Softimage is not that bad. As it is right now it is rocking hard and strong. Cheers! 2014-02-28 13:22 GMT-06:00 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com: I don't think that is an option as AD isn't going to give up source code which holds many patents. If they did, I would tend to think the asking price would be too steep. But let's pretend AD offers the source code and the price is affordable - is Softimage really worth the price of acquiring as a business venture? Based on all the pieces of information I've gathered about the product over the years, it sounds like it would take a few years just to get familiar with the code and be comfortable enough to do any significant work. While one could inherit a nice system like ICE, animation mixer, render pass system, and so on. To put new features into it would likely require a lot of study of existing code for ripple effect of adding new features or implementing significant changes. The application as a whole is still tremendously useful and a great general purpose 3D environment, but it's design is from the 1990's and showing its age in some areas. The user interface is still single threaded, the playback engine isn't the speediest and doesn't loop nicely, and the real time shaders aren't real time. Some of the things we would want to implement in Softimage if we had the source code would be things that I don't think the architecture supports - ability to put modeling operators outside the modeling marker or pin them into specific slots of the construction history to enforce order of evaluation, for example. On a personal level, having been around the product for so long I would be extremely interested in looking and tinkering with the source code, and perhaps fix/modify stuff that always drove me nuts. It would at least explain why certain things are the way they are. I always thought it be a nice gesture if at Siggraph you'd get swag in the form of a capsule on a keychain that contained all the source code to discontinued product(s). Granted, this will not likely ever happen due to patents, trade secrets, and other business interests, but would be good for customer morale and developing interest in 3D animation. I wonder if anybody would gain anything (business-wise) from obtaining the Softimage|3D code today considering its successor is also on its way out to pasture? It would be more useful swag than T-shirts or CD cases. As for my employer, I cannot speak on their behalf. Matt Hey Matt -- Out of genuine curiosity -- can your employers not get a source code license out of AD? IIR, deals like that were not unknown among the larger studios -- or was that all pre-acquisition? Ed
Re: new upgrade policy
Neither Maya nor Softimage|XSI existed at the time On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Don't forget about Dragon Heart. I read the article on CG magazine quiet a long time ago. They were supposed to end the whole feature in Maya. But then after modeling, they just couldn't move the dragon. So they animated it in Softimage. 2014-02-28 15:20 GMT-06:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's pretty much the software that wove the cinematic experiences of my childhood and I never new: Casper, Joe's apartment, independence day, the Matrix, MIB, Fight Club Jurassic Park, Titanic the Mask etc... It was responsible for several Academy Award Nominations let alone community awards. Sony E, ILM, Weta ?
Re: new upgrade policy
When Dragonheart came out... Funny that came in out in 1996. So maybe I was using some other thing and not Softimage 3D. As for Maya you are right it was Alias|Wavefront 2014-02-28 16:10 GMT-06:00 Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com: Neither Maya nor Softimage|XSI existed at the time On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Don't forget about Dragon Heart. I read the article on CG magazine quiet a long time ago. They were supposed to end the whole feature in Maya. But then after modeling, they just couldn't move the dragon. So they animated it in Softimage. 2014-02-28 15:20 GMT-06:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's pretty much the software that wove the cinematic experiences of my childhood and I never new: Casper, Joe's apartment, independence day, the Matrix, MIB, Fight Club Jurassic Park, Titanic the Mask etc... It was responsible for several Academy Award Nominations let alone community awards. Sony E, ILM, Weta ?
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Softimage|3D was available at that time (~v3.51), but Softimage|XSI did not become available until May 2000. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:01 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy When Dragonheart came out... Funny that came in out in 1996. So maybe I was using some other thing and not Softimage 3D. As for Maya you are right it was Alias|Wavefront [http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg] 2014-02-28 16:10 GMT-06:00 Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.commailto:luceri...@gmail.com: Neither Maya nor Softimage|XSI existed at the time On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.commailto:emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Don't forget about Dragon Heart. I read the article on CG magazine quiet a long time ago. They were supposed to end the whole feature in Maya. But then after modeling, they just couldn't move the dragon. So they animated it in Softimage. 2014-02-28 15:20 GMT-06:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.commailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's pretty much the software that wove the cinematic experiences of my childhood and I never new: Casper, Joe's apartment, independence day, the Matrix, MIB, Fight Club Jurassic Park, Titanic the Mask etc... It was responsible for several Academy Award Nominations let alone community awards. Sony E, ILM, Weta ?
Re: new upgrade policy
Exactly. I've been using Softimage since the first release from Microsoft I believe in 1994. So been around for so long that my memory starts to fade. But the thing is the Softimage was used in that feautre. 2014-02-28 17:02 GMT-06:00 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com: Softimage|3D was available at that time (~v3.51), but Softimage|XSI did not become available until May 2000. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 3:01 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy When Dragonheart came out... Funny that came in out in 1996. So maybe I was using some other thing and not Softimage 3D. As for Maya you are right it was Alias|Wavefront 2014-02-28 16:10 GMT-06:00 Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com: Neither Maya nor Softimage|XSI existed at the time On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Don't forget about Dragon Heart. I read the article on CG magazine quiet a long time ago. They were supposed to end the whole feature in Maya. But then after modeling, they just couldn't move the dragon. So they animated it in Softimage. 2014-02-28 15:20 GMT-06:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's pretty much the software that wove the cinematic experiences of my childhood and I never new: Casper, Joe's apartment, independence day, the Matrix, MIB, Fight Club Jurassic Park, Titanic the Mask etc... It was responsible for several Academy Award Nominations let alone community awards. Sony E, ILM, Weta ?
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was there some kind of massive disparity between softimage 3D and softimage XSI, ? On 1 March 2014 00:07, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Exactly. I've been using Softimage since the first release from Microsoft I believe in 1994. So been around for so long that my memory starts to fade. But the thing is the Softimage was used in that feautre. 2014-02-28 17:02 GMT-06:00 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com: Softimage|3D was available at that time (~v3.51), but Softimage|XSI did not become available until May 2000. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 3:01 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy When Dragonheart came out... Funny that came in out in 1996. So maybe I was using some other thing and not Softimage 3D. As for Maya you are right it was Alias|Wavefront 2014-02-28 16:10 GMT-06:00 Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com: Neither Maya nor Softimage|XSI existed at the time On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Don't forget about Dragon Heart. I read the article on CG magazine quiet a long time ago. They were supposed to end the whole feature in Maya. But then after modeling, they just couldn't move the dragon. So they animated it in Softimage. 2014-02-28 15:20 GMT-06:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's pretty much the software that wove the cinematic experiences of my childhood and I never new: Casper, Joe's apartment, independence day, the Matrix, MIB, Fight Club Jurassic Park, Titanic the Mask etc... It was responsible for several Academy Award Nominations let alone community awards. Sony E, ILM, Weta ?
Re: new upgrade policy
Completely different codebase. Softimage|3D was a port from SGI (Alias Power Modeler/Power Animator was its competitor) Softimage|XSI was the next generation product to compete with Maya. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: was there some kind of massive disparity between softimage 3D and softimage XSI, ? On 1 March 2014 00:07, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Exactly. I've been using Softimage since the first release from Microsoft I believe in 1994. So been around for so long that my memory starts to fade. But the thing is the Softimage was used in that feautre. 2014-02-28 17:02 GMT-06:00 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com: Softimage|3D was available at that time (~v3.51), but Softimage|XSI did not become available until May 2000. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 3:01 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy When Dragonheart came out... Funny that came in out in 1996. So maybe I was using some other thing and not Softimage 3D. As for Maya you are right it was Alias|Wavefront 2014-02-28 16:10 GMT-06:00 Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com: Neither Maya nor Softimage|XSI existed at the time On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Don't forget about Dragon Heart. I read the article on CG magazine quiet a long time ago. They were supposed to end the whole feature in Maya. But then after modeling, they just couldn't move the dragon. So they animated it in Softimage. 2014-02-28 15:20 GMT-06:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's pretty much the software that wove the cinematic experiences of my childhood and I never new: Casper, Joe's apartment, independence day, the Matrix, MIB, Fight Club Jurassic Park, Titanic the Mask etc... It was responsible for several Academy Award Nominations let alone community awards. Sony E, ILM, Weta ? -- -=T=-
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So is the point that it got shitter when it became SI XSI ? cause it feels pretty good at the mo :P On 1 March 2014 00:15, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Completely different codebase. Softimage|3D was a port from SGI (Alias Power Modeler/Power Animator was its competitor) Softimage|XSI was the next generation product to compete with Maya. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: was there some kind of massive disparity between softimage 3D and softimage XSI, ? On 1 March 2014 00:07, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Exactly. I've been using Softimage since the first release from Microsoft I believe in 1994. So been around for so long that my memory starts to fade. But the thing is the Softimage was used in that feautre. 2014-02-28 17:02 GMT-06:00 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com: Softimage|3D was available at that time (~v3.51), but Softimage|XSI did not become available until May 2000. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Emilio Hernandez *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2014 3:01 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy When Dragonheart came out... Funny that came in out in 1996. So maybe I was using some other thing and not Softimage 3D. As for Maya you are right it was Alias|Wavefront 2014-02-28 16:10 GMT-06:00 Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com: Neither Maya nor Softimage|XSI existed at the time On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Don't forget about Dragon Heart. I read the article on CG magazine quiet a long time ago. They were supposed to end the whole feature in Maya. But then after modeling, they just couldn't move the dragon. So they animated it in Softimage. 2014-02-28 15:20 GMT-06:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's pretty much the software that wove the cinematic experiences of my childhood and I never new: Casper, Joe's apartment, independence day, the Matrix, MIB, Fight Club Jurassic Park, Titanic the Mask etc... It was responsible for several Academy Award Nominations let alone community awards. Sony E, ILM, Weta ? -- -=T=-
RE: new upgrade policy
For a good chunk of the 1990's, Softimage|3D was a popular (commercial) software for major 3D productions. Studios had their custom tools and proprietary pipeline stuff, but Softimage|3D was a workhorse for artists. Softimage was only available on Silicon Graphics workstations running IRIX (unix). In 1994, Microsoft acquired Softimage and made significant changes to the business such as making the software cheaper, porting it to windows NT, and buying out many 3rd party plugins and including them as native features of the software. At that time there was also much competition between hardware vendors and processor manufacturers (Mips, Digital, Sun, Intel, ...). Softimage expanded to make the software available for the many variants of hardware with popularity cutting into competitor's Alias and Wavefront significantly. As a reaction and fearing being killed off by Microsoft (then as large / dominant / influential as Google and Apple are today), Silicon Graphics acquired both Alias and Wavefront in 1995 and immediately started project 'Maya' to merge the best parts of both companies' products into a unified application. Originally targeted for release in 1996, about a month or two before expected release in early 1997, SGI pulled the software back behind the curtain to do some reworking of code to make Maya portable to windows and other operating systems. During that same time, Softimage announced project 'Sumatra' to rewrite Softimage|3D from the ground up as the next generation 3D software because Softimage|3D really wasn't designed with Windows NT in mind and had some core issues. Sumatra was originally announced to be available in 1996 in conjunction with Digital Studio and 'Twister' - an interactive version of mental ray which included interactive rendering and shader creation, but numerous technical issues delayed release by years. In the meantime, development of Softimage|3D slowed to being mostly bug fixes and service packs. In early 1998, SGI released Maya to the public with a base price of ~$7,995 USD for the base package and up to ~$36,000 USD for the entire suite. In June 1998, Microsoft sold Softimage to Avid, delaying Sumatra even further. After the latest delay, many frustrated customers started to abandon Softimage and move to Maya as Maya had replicated many of Softimage|3D's important features while introducing new features such as scripting to empower users to write their own tools and solve their own problems (Softimage|3D had a C/C++ plugin API, but not scripting). Softimage then went into overdrive to get Sumatra out the door ASAP - cutting corners by dropping features as necessary, Twister being the first to get the axe, and devoting most remaining Softimage|3D development resources to Sumatra. In May 2000, Sumatra was finally released as Softimage|XSI with Animation R3defined as the main slogan featuring the non-destructive animation mixer and integrated mental ray rendering, but sadly, no polygonal modeling or Texture UV editing. That would come months later in Softimage|XSI v1.5. Main differences between Softimage|3D and Softimage|XSI: Everythingexcept spacebar to select, and X,C,V to scale, rotate and translate ;-) Mat From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sebastien Sterling Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:18 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy So is the point that it got shitter when it became SI XSI ? cause it feels pretty good at the mo :P On 1 March 2014 00:15, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.commailto:i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Completely different codebase. Softimage|3D was a port from SGI (Alias Power Modeler/Power Animator was its competitor) Softimage|XSI was the next generation product to compete with Maya. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.commailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: was there some kind of massive disparity between softimage 3D and softimage XSI, ? On 1 March 2014 00:07, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.commailto:emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Exactly. I've been using Softimage since the first release from Microsoft I believe in 1994. So been around for so long that my memory starts to fade. But the thing is the Softimage was used in that feautre. [http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg] 2014-02-28 17:02 GMT-06:00 Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.commailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com: Softimage|3D was available at that time (~v3.51), but Softimage|XSI did not become available until May 2000. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:01 PM To: softimage
RE: new upgrade policy
Probably AD are smiling that we are doing as expected. Either way however its has been managed incredibly poorly. Its particularly telling that there has not been any word from AD to wait and see. The only activity on the subject from AD has been a Maya person (Brent ) very kindly offering to help folks migrate to Maya. Not particularly reassuring. Yes this happens every year, however if you look at the Max community when folks started out bemoaning their lack of development and there was a build up of momentum, the AD management sent a very clear signal for them not to worry. Where as on the Softimage side we have had sweet blow all. For people paying the same money the imbalance is very large. That is why people are very upset. From: Graham D Clark [mailgrahamdcl...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 March 2014 08:28 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy Self fulfilling prophecy. Graham D Clark, Head of Stereography, Deluxe 3D dba Stereo D phone: why-I-stereo http://www.linkedin.com/in/grahamclark On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.commailto:mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /span/font/td /tr /table
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It's a system that seems to favour massive company's that can afford to routinely upgrade their packages, and screws the individual user for any sort of brand fidelity they may attempt to maintain; if you know you are going to get a discount (where it even 10%) on your next upgrade as a token to your brand loyalty, you would feel incentivised to perches upgrades, its marketing 101 no different then a loyalty card at your supermarket. The only reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. -- *From:* Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] *Sent:* 26 February 2014 11:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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Quick question regadring the switch to another software: I saw that quite few people are considering Modo or Houdini as an alternative to Softimage. This is due to the fact that you want to completely leave Autodesk for good, or because an alternative like Maya wont suite your needs? I'm asking because I'm not familiar nor with Maya or Modo, so I was just wondering what is the main reason 2014-02-27 9:21 GMT+01:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's a system that seems to favour massive company's that can afford to routinely upgrade their packages, and screws the individual user for any sort of brand fidelity they may attempt to maintain; if you know you are going to get a discount (where it even 10%) on your next upgrade as a token to your brand loyalty, you would feel incentivised to perches upgrades, its marketing 101 no different then a loyalty card at your supermarket. The only reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. -- *From:* Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] *Sent:* 26 February 2014 11:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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My own view is that once people loose faith in how a company manages their software its very difficult to move to another one in their stable. The bigger studios will most likely move to maya as there are definate pipeline benefits whereas the smaller shops / freelancers will be more likely to cuts ties all together. From what I have from twitter / si community it seems to be about 60% or so that say they will move elsewhere. Thats is no way scientific or representative when people get over the initial anger. For me I dont need all the bells and whistle Maya has. I dont need all the pipeline integration and advanced things like muscles systems etc I am not an ICE user in softimage currently so I dont need biFrost. For my personal stuff I will be moving away from Autodesk. From: Nicolas Esposito [3dv...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 February 2014 10:42 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy Quick question regadring the switch to another software: I saw that quite few people are considering Modo or Houdini as an alternative to Softimage. This is due to the fact that you want to completely leave Autodesk for good, or because an alternative like Maya wont suite your needs? I'm asking because I'm not familiar nor with Maya or Modo, so I was just wondering what is the main reason 2014-02-27 9:21 GMT+01:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.commailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's a system that seems to favour massive company's that can afford to routinely upgrade their packages, and screws the individual user for any sort of brand fidelity they may attempt to maintain; if you know you are going to get a discount (where it even 10%) on your next upgrade as a token to your brand loyalty, you would feel incentivised to perches upgrades, its marketing 101 no different then a loyalty card at your supermarket. The only reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zamailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. From: Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto:dan...@northforge.co.uk] Sent: 26 February 2014 11:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.commailto:emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... [http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg] 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you
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said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. From: Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] Sent: 26 February 2014 11:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. -- *From:* Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] *Sent:* 26 February 2014 11:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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“Autodesk is making this policy change to better align with the needs and buying preferences of our customers.” So what is everyone bickering about? They are aligning themselves with our needs and preferences! Or is it: you are not our customer if your needs and preferences don’t match our policy? So, where’s that “get XSI source” kickstarter? From: Scott Parrish Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:36 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy Aw yeah, I loved reading this carefully worded email from Autodesk this morning: Dear Autodesk Customer: Beginning February 1, 2015, Autodesk will simplify its current upgrade policy, and will no longer offer the option to purchase upgrades for all noncurrent product releases. This message is intended to provide advance notice to help customers prepare and budget for any impact they may experience. Our records indicate that you or your organization may have one or more perpetual licenses that may be impacted by this change. Please be further advised that upgrade eligibility for the 2008 release of perpetual Autodesk software licenses will end on March 31, 2014. Autodesk is making this policy change to better align with the needs and buying preferences of our customers. Many Autodesk customers choose to use Autodesk® Subscription as their preferred method of maintaining their Autodesk software. To learn more about this policy change click here. For special offers and options that may be available to you, please contact your local Autodesk Reseller. To find an Autodesk Reseller near you, click here. Oh, I understand now. Autodesk is making it cost you the price of a new license to upgrade if you dont stay on subscription because that better aligns with the needs of us the customers. I find it inconvenient to allow my subscription to lapse and be able to upgrade for less than full price in the future if there is a release with features that I could use. I wonder if these emails are even written by humans. It's kind of a mealy-mouthed corporate word salad to make us feel good about getting screwed. Thanks AD. I can't wait to move away from Autodesk products. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris
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100% with you Jordi! The new modo modeling tech is jaw dropping. And Houdini is a whole 3d operating system! Sent from my Windows Phone From: Jordi Baresmailto:jordiba...@gmail.com Sent: 27/02/2014 7:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy would you give more money to Autodesk after what they are doing to pretty much *every package* ? Let's recap Image Modeller = dead Stitcher = dead Matchmover = dead Combustion = dead Toxik = dead Naiad = dead until further notice Softimage = still developed but tiny tiny increments Motion builder = still developed but tiny tiny increments Motion builder for mac = stopped development FBX converter for mac = stopped development Mudbox = still developed but tiny tiny increments The only good news is that Flame v2014 has been a major effort on their side and gave me the confidence to give Autodesk one more year, lots of people angry with the changes but at least there was some vision although my fear is that they will enter now a marketing stage to help boost sales and engage again and push sales after the debacle of their change in the library which made pretty much every flame artist angry. Now, what are the alternatives? Well, I leant something last year when Apple decision regarding Final Cut Pro (I am sure nobody needs reminding)… and what I learnt is that Apple's core market is not pro software, its market is hardware, specially mobile hardware (laptops, phones, tablets…) If you apply the same thinking with Autodesk everything becomes clear… Autodesk core market is not entertainment, it's architecture and engineering and they don't really give a $@^$£% about us as the list above demonstrates clearly. The new version of Softimage, Mudbox and Motion Builder will tell exactly where they stand for third year in a row so eyes open… in the meantime I chose to focus on those companies that pro software is their core business and have market share to gain, and these are the ones SideEffects (via Houdini) Foundry (via Modo) MassiveSoftware (via Massive) So my approach is simple, force myself to transition in an abrupt way (nothing better than full inversion) and help these companies to polish their software as much as possible by being in the beta process, report all bugs, new ideas, pass them information of which things work from other packages… Exactly what I did with XSI. And one more thing, after diving in Houdini I consider it *impossible* for any software manufacturer to put the necessary resources to compete with them (I will repeat it… IMPOSSIBLE), the architecture is so advanced and so well designed it is a marvel of software engineering (and expensive to build of course)… this is here to stay my friends. and its getting easier by the day. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.commailto:jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 08:42, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.comhttp://gmail.com wrote: Quick question regadring the switch to another software: I saw that quite few people are considering Modo or Houdini as an alternative to Softimage. This is due to the fact that you want to completely leave Autodesk for good, or because an alternative like Maya wont suite your needs? I'm asking because I'm not familiar nor with Maya or Modo, so I was just wondering what is the main reason 2014-02-27 9:21 GMT+01:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.commailto:sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's a system that seems to favour massive company's that can afford to routinely upgrade their packages, and screws the individual user for any sort of brand fidelity they may attempt to maintain; if you know you are going to get a discount (where it even 10%) on your next upgrade as a token to your brand loyalty, you would feel incentivised to perches upgrades, its marketing 101 no different then a loyalty card at your supermarket. The only reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zamailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself
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and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. From: Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] Sent: 26 February 2014 11:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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to your brand loyalty, you would feel incentivised to perches upgrades, its marketing 101 no different then a loyalty card at your supermarket. The only reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. -- *From:* Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] *Sent:* 26 February 2014 11:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. inline: temp.png
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asking because I'm not familiar nor with Maya or Modo, so I was just wondering what is the main reason 2014-02-27 9:21 GMT+01:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's a system that seems to favour massive company's that can afford to routinely upgrade their packages, and screws the individual user for any sort of brand fidelity they may attempt to maintain; if you know you are going to get a discount (where it even 10%) on your next upgrade as a token to your brand loyalty, you would feel incentivised to perches upgrades, its marketing 101 no different then a loyalty card at your supermarket. The only reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. -- *From:* Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] *Sent:* 26 February 2014 11:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. inline: temp.png
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upgrade their packages, and screws the individual user for any sort of brand fidelity they may attempt to maintain; if you know you are going to get a discount (where it even 10%) on your next upgrade as a token to your brand loyalty, you would feel incentivised to perches upgrades, its marketing 101 no different then a loyalty card at your supermarket. The only reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. From: Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] Sent: 26 February 2014 11:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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GMT+01:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's a system that seems to favour massive company's that can afford to routinely upgrade their packages, and screws the individual user for any sort of brand fidelity they may attempt to maintain; if you know you are going to get a discount (where it even 10%) on your next upgrade as a token to your brand loyalty, you would feel incentivised to perches upgrades, its marketing 101 no different then a loyalty card at your supermarket. The only reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. -- *From:* Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] *Sent:* 26 February 2014 11:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. inline: temp.png
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companies have always had to make decisions based on available talent... you can see where this is going a _ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Cristobal Infante Sent: 27 February 2014 12:42 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy Career defining conversation if you ask me, everyone needs to look at their options now and figure out a long term plan. I do like the idea of trying something new like Houdini, I am just not sure this is the option companies will choose based on the available talent out there. On 27 February 2014 12:21, Simon Reeves si...@simonreeves.com wrote: Interesting conversation for sure, I might finally have a good look into workflows in houdini. Also this is the preview to the last email.. I wondered if it was going to be solution to a lack of freelancers...Inline images 1 Simon Reeves London, UK si...@simonreeves.com www.simonreeves.com www.analogstudio.co.uk On 27 February 2014 12:07, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Training an animator to use Houdini to animate is trivial Training a lighter to use Houdini is trivial Training a modeller to use Modo is pretty easy Training a modeller to texture in Modo is pretty easy What I want to say is that if you dive in the correct areas it is easy and in a week or two you have any of these positions up and running. The only secret is to have an expert at hand that can easy the pain and guide the team. Obviously a different thing is to get a Houdini FX guy, but we have plenty of these ;-) On the flip side, the less freelancer competition, the more you can charge ;-) Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 09:59, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote: What about freelancers though? Surely you will want access to healthy freelance pool of people. So good luck finding a Modo lighter or a Houdini Rigger. My guess is Maya is a more sensible option only for that looking from a production/managment perspective. On 27 February 2014 09:43, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: would you give more money to Autodesk after what they are doing to pretty much *every package* ? Let's recap Image Modeller = dead Stitcher = dead Matchmover = dead Combustion = dead Toxik = dead Naiad = dead until further notice Softimage = still developed but tiny tiny increments Motion builder = still developed but tiny tiny increments Motion builder for mac = stopped development FBX converter for mac = stopped development Mudbox = still developed but tiny tiny increments The only good news is that Flame v2014 has been a major effort on their side and gave me the confidence to give Autodesk one more year, lots of people angry with the changes but at least there was some vision although my fear is that they will enter now a marketing stage to help boost sales and engage again and push sales after the debacle of their change in the library which made pretty much every flame artist angry. Now, what are the alternatives? Well, I leant something last year when Apple decision regarding Final Cut Pro (I am sure nobody needs reminding) and what I learnt is that Apple's core market is not pro software, its market is hardware, specially mobile hardware (laptops, phones, tablets ) If you apply the same thinking with Autodesk everything becomes clear Autodesk core market is not entertainment, it's architecture and engineering and they don't really give a $@^$£% about us as the list above demonstrates clearly. The new version of Softimage, Mudbox and Motion Builder will tell exactly where they stand for third year in a row so eyes open in the meantime I chose to focus on those companies that pro software is their core business and have market share to gain, and these are the ones SideEffects (via Houdini) Foundry (via Modo) MassiveSoftware (via Massive) So my approach is simple, force myself to transition in an abrupt way (nothing better than full inversion) and help these companies to polish their software as much as possible by being in the beta process, report all bugs, new ideas, pass them information of which things work from other packages Exactly what I did with XSI. And one more thing, after diving in Houdini I consider it *impossible* for any software manufacturer to put the necessary resources to compete with them (I will repeat it IMPOSSIBLE), the architecture is so advanced and so well designed it is a marvel of software engineering (and expensive to build of course) this is here to stay my friends. and its getting easier by the day. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 08:42, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com http://gmail.com/ wrote: Quick question regadring the switch to another software: I saw that quite few people are considering Modo or Houdini
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and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. -- *From:* Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] *Sent:* 26 February 2014 11:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. -- *From:* Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] *Sent:* 26 February 2014 11:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.comwrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. From: Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] Sent: 26 February 2014 11:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, "Kris Rivel" krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. -- --- Stefan Kubicek--- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone:+43/699/12614231 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at-- This email and its attachments are confidential and for the recipient only--
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Well their main target was not VFX itself. They do care about parts of the VFX pipeline since the beggining, but they also market themselves in every other market. 3d printing, product rendering, architectural visualisation... well a bit of what Max does too
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Speaking about freelancers, we maintain a small team here, and so far at the most we have had maybe 2/3 extra 3d freelancers ? (Our overwhelming positions for freelancers here are 2d.) And then it's more likely there're doing something like modelling, while we carry on with more core stuff - so we are more flexible about software at the moment. ie. it's less important for us if people do move towards maya - we have a split of soft/max here (I'm firmly on one side of that) and plenty of freelancers we have just come in and use maya anyway. It'll be interesting to see what happens... Need to keep an eye on the future but also how many studios are using 2014 versions? Even if when an app stops being developed it wouldn't be a struggle to continue using it for a many years. Simon Reeves London, UK *si...@simonreeves.com si...@simonreeves.com* *www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com* *www.analogstudio.co.uk http://www.analogstudio.co.uk* On 27 February 2014 13:20, Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com wrote: Well their main target was not VFX itself. They do care about parts of the VFX pipeline since the beggining, but they also market themselves in every other market. 3d printing, product rendering, architectural visualisation... well a bit of what Max does too
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* for any software manufacturer to put the necessary resources to compete with them (I will repeat it… IMPOSSIBLE), the architecture is so advanced and so well designed it is a marvel of software engineering (and expensive to build of course)… this is here to stay my friends. and its getting easier by the day. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 08:42, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question regadring the switch to another software: I saw that quite few people are considering Modo or Houdini as an alternative to Softimage. This is due to the fact that you want to completely leave Autodesk for good, or because an alternative like Maya wont suite your needs? I'm asking because I'm not familiar nor with Maya or Modo, so I was just wondering what is the main reason 2014-02-27 9:21 GMT+01:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: It's a system that seems to favour massive company's that can afford to routinely upgrade their packages, and screws the individual user for any sort of brand fidelity they may attempt to maintain; if you know you are going to get a discount (where it even 10%) on your next upgrade as a token to your brand loyalty, you would feel incentivised to perches upgrades, its marketing 101 no different then a loyalty card at your supermarket. The only reason for doing this is to intentionally loose a demographic. In the short term maybe this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. From: Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk] Sent: 26 February 2014 11:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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Why? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Sebastian Kowalski l...@sekow.com wrote: i think the whole discussion will be irrelevant in a couple of weeks... Am 27.02.2014 um 01:35 schrieb James De Colling james.decoll...@gmail.com : it's a crap policy to be sure, however, given the last couple of releases, maybe 2015 isn't worth the bother, and we all save money :) On 27/02/2014 11:18 AM, Scott Parrish scotte...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually confused why Autodesk even thinks this is a good idea from a monetization and customer retention standpoint. It might sound like a good way to make more money by forcing most users to stay on subscription or pay a penalty for a lapse in coverage. In practice however, it might give smaller shops and individuals who are less married to a pipeline built around a particular piece of software an opportunity to change to another software package when they're coverage lapses. Let's see, would I like to pay MSRP for Soft or Maya again because I didnt feel like paying subscription this past year? Or should I evaluate other options that I can buy for about the same price and with better terms for maintenance or future upgrades? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Matt Morris matt...@gmail.com wrote: Inclined to agree. On 27 February 2014 00:10, Scott Parrish scotte...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I know! I just think the new upgrade policy is bullsh*%. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.comwrote: Well of course it's limited, because the upgrade policy itself is changing next year. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Scott Parrish Sent: 26 February 2014 22:39 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy It's not news, no. But it is a pretty anti-consumer change in policy. The 70% discount is for a limited time only. It says right there in the FAQ: How can a customer get current if they have an older version of software after February 1, 2015? Customers who wish to use the latest release after February 1, 2015 will have the option to purchase the latest version at SRP (Suggested Retail Price). As a customer I'd like to be on paid maintenance because there is some sort of benefit that it provides. Not because there is a gun to my head that I lose my investment in purchasing the software and risk paying full price for upgrades in the future otherwise. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.com mailto:graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote: This isn't anything new, this has already been announced last year and discussed here and on other forums. Also currently, upgrade pricing is 70% of the price of a new seat. G From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel Sent: 26 February 2014 22:15 To: Softimage List Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I'm looking at Modo, Houdini and anything else with some drive, passion and inspiration behind it. I'll use Soft till it doesn't run anymore and just gives me a blue screen or something. But this aggressive tactic just comes off as greedy and is poorly planned. I wonder how many other holes they can put in their boat. Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Daniel Sweeney dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto:dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto: dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto:dan...@northforge.co.uk wrote: I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com mailto:emi...@e-roja.commailto:emi...@e-roja.commailto: emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... [http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg] 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris -- www.matinai.com
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Sofronis, jumping to Maya and then to 3r app later kinda seems waste of time.. Instead wouldn't it be better to stick to proven tool that still can serve for couple years at least even without single development on it and then when something decent is on market to jump?? On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Vincent Fortin vfor...@gmail.com wrote: Why? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Sebastian Kowalski l...@sekow.comwrote: i think the whole discussion will be irrelevant in a couple of weeks... Am 27.02.2014 um 01:35 schrieb James De Colling james.decoll...@gmail.com: it's a crap policy to be sure, however, given the last couple of releases, maybe 2015 isn't worth the bother, and we all save money :) On 27/02/2014 11:18 AM, Scott Parrish scotte...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually confused why Autodesk even thinks this is a good idea from a monetization and customer retention standpoint. It might sound like a good way to make more money by forcing most users to stay on subscription or pay a penalty for a lapse in coverage. In practice however, it might give smaller shops and individuals who are less married to a pipeline built around a particular piece of software an opportunity to change to another software package when they're coverage lapses. Let's see, would I like to pay MSRP for Soft or Maya again because I didnt feel like paying subscription this past year? Or should I evaluate other options that I can buy for about the same price and with better terms for maintenance or future upgrades? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Matt Morris matt...@gmail.com wrote: Inclined to agree. On 27 February 2014 00:10, Scott Parrish scotte...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I know! I just think the new upgrade policy is bullsh*%. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote: Well of course it's limited, because the upgrade policy itself is changing next year. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Scott Parrish Sent: 26 February 2014 22:39 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy It's not news, no. But it is a pretty anti-consumer change in policy. The 70% discount is for a limited time only. It says right there in the FAQ: How can a customer get current if they have an older version of software after February 1, 2015? Customers who wish to use the latest release after February 1, 2015 will have the option to purchase the latest version at SRP (Suggested Retail Price). As a customer I'd like to be on paid maintenance because there is some sort of benefit that it provides. Not because there is a gun to my head that I lose my investment in purchasing the software and risk paying full price for upgrades in the future otherwise. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.commailto:graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote: This isn't anything new, this has already been announced last year and discussed here and on other forums. Also currently, upgrade pricing is 70% of the price of a new seat. G From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel Sent: 26 February 2014 22:15 To: Softimage List Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I'm looking at Modo, Houdini and anything else with some drive, passion and inspiration behind it. I'll use Soft till it doesn't run anymore and just gives me a blue screen or something. But this aggressive tactic just comes off as greedy and is poorly planned. I wonder how many other holes they can put in their boat. Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Daniel Sweeney dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto:dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto: dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto:dan...@northforge.co.uk wrote: I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com mailto:emi...@e-roja.commailto:emi...@e-roja.commailto: emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... [http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg] 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto: krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http
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this will allow AD to save money, freelancers are infrequent in their purchases. They actually require a stable and competent package out of the box, something big companies usually pays their own Devs and TDs to sort out. Unlike big companies they also have the gall to voice their contempt of an inferior service. So yea this kinda makes sense for them in the short term to stabilise their key demographic, to the detriment of others probably makes the share holders smile as well. of course this also kills any form of growth within the potential market, but only time will tell what kind of impact that could have. On 27 February 2014 08:16, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: On Modo I am really impressed with it. Some tools are not 100% where I want them yet but overall finding it very powerful. Mesh fusion is awesome and saving my pennies to buy myself a copy of it. Stuff like rigging is handled differently so it takes a bit to wrap your head around it. I really love things like being able to edit an animation curve in the viewport or create a custom UI that allows me to key specific things on each frame for the selected controller. Their curve editor just feels more responsive to me. You can see these on the new learn modo videos the posted recently. That being said its not as polished as softimage yet but you also have to bear in mind that things like decent particles and animation have only been around a few years in Modo. If Softimage does go EOL it where I am headed for my personal stuff. Whether we go that way for our students depends on a few more things. *From:* Daniel Sweeney [dan...@northforge.co.uk mailto:dan...@northforge.co.uk] *Sent:* 26 February 2014 11:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com mailto:krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com mailto:emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com mailto:krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
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Can't you guess. On Feb 27, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Vincent Fortin vfor...@gmail.com wrote: Why? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Sebastian Kowalski l...@sekow.com wrote: i think the whole discussion will be irrelevant in a couple of weeks… Am 27.02.2014 um 01:35 schrieb James De Colling james.decoll...@gmail.com: it's a crap policy to be sure, however, given the last couple of releases, maybe 2015 isn't worth the bother, and we all save money :) On 27/02/2014 11:18 AM, Scott Parrish scotte...@gmail.com wrote: I'm actually confused why Autodesk even thinks this is a good idea from a monetization and customer retention standpoint. It might sound like a good way to make more money by forcing most users to stay on subscription or pay a penalty for a lapse in coverage. In practice however, it might give smaller shops and individuals who are less married to a pipeline built around a particular piece of software an opportunity to change to another software package when they're coverage lapses. Let's see, would I like to pay MSRP for Soft or Maya again because I didnt feel like paying subscription this past year? Or should I evaluate other options that I can buy for about the same price and with better terms for maintenance or future upgrades? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Matt Morris matt...@gmail.com wrote: Inclined to agree. On 27 February 2014 00:10, Scott Parrish scotte...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I know! I just think the new upgrade policy is bullsh*%. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote: Well of course it's limited, because the upgrade policy itself is changing next year. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Scott Parrish Sent: 26 February 2014 22:39 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy It's not news, no. But it is a pretty anti-consumer change in policy. The 70% discount is for a limited time only. It says right there in the FAQ: How can a customer get current if they have an older version of software after February 1, 2015? Customers who wish to use the latest release after February 1, 2015 will have the option to purchase the latest version at SRP (Suggested Retail Price). As a customer I'd like to be on paid maintenance because there is some sort of benefit that it provides. Not because there is a gun to my head that I lose my investment in purchasing the software and risk paying full price for upgrades in the future otherwise. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Graham Bell graham.b...@autodesk.commailto:graham.b...@autodesk.com wrote: This isn't anything new, this has already been announced last year and discussed here and on other forums. Also currently, upgrade pricing is 70% of the price of a new seat. G From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Kris Rivel Sent: 26 February 2014 22:15 To: Softimage List Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I'm looking at Modo, Houdini and anything else with some drive, passion and inspiration behind it. I'll use Soft till it doesn't run anymore and just gives me a blue screen or something. But this aggressive tactic just comes off as greedy and is poorly planned. I wonder how many other holes they can put in their boat. Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Daniel Sweeney dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto:dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto:dan...@northforge.co.ukmailto:dan...@northforge.co.uk wrote: I am as quick as I can off the autodesk rollercoaster. A few things have made my choice I will always love soft and use the tool when its needed but I think I need to look for another avenue. Looking at modo? Thoughts?? Autodesk bollocks. On Feb 26, 2014 8:52 PM, Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.com wrote: I read it and couldn't help but say WTH?! Kris On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.commailto:emi...@e-roja.commailto:emi...@e-roja.commailto:emi...@e-roja.com wrote: Seems they need to fill the vault... [http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg] 2014-02-26 14:29 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.commailto:krisri...@gmail.com: So...what's everyone's take on this gem? So if I don't upgrade to latest version now...then when I want that version I have to pay full price? http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Frequently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html Kris -- www.matinai.com
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: Sofronis Efstathiou [sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk mailto:sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk ] Sent: 27 February 2014 04:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: new upgrade policy Hi Jordi, Thanks for the information – and 100% agree with was mentioned in your earlier post. I was going to ask that exact question (especially as your our external!). Obviously we need to transition from Softimage in the next few months (can’t tell you how disappointed we are here) – however we already use Houdini successfully on the Digital Effects course so it’s a real option. Concerns are the character tools though – animation, rigging, modelling etc. It seems Modo won’t be ready for a couple of years yet – do you think our options are Maya for a single year and then a move to Modo, or are we missing something else? Up skilling is a pain – would prefer not to do it twice. Ideally looking for a Non-Linear Workflow to character setup and animation (I hear Maya rigging workflow can be quite restrictive and less flexible than Soft’s). Not sure about Modo. Houdini seems like a non starter. I’ll be honest – although we have worked with a pedigree application (Soft) for 15 years here; it’s
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: Sofronis Efstathiou [sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk mailto:sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk ] Sent: 27 February 2014 04:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: new upgrade policy Hi Jordi, Thanks for the information – and 100% agree with was mentioned in your earlier post. I was going to ask that exact question (especially as your our external!). Obviously we need to transition from Softimage in the next few months (can’t tell you how disappointed we are here) – however we already use Houdini successfully on the Digital Effects course so it’s a real option. Concerns are the character tools though – animation, rigging, modelling etc. It seems Modo won’t be ready for a couple of years yet – do you think our options
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: Sofronis Efstathiou [sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk mailto:sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk ] Sent: 27 February 2014 04:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: new upgrade policy Hi Jordi, Thanks for the information – and 100% agree with was mentioned in your earlier post. I was going to ask that exact question (especially as your our external!). Obviously we need to transition from Softimage in the next few months (can’t tell you how disappointed we are here) – however we already use Houdini successfully on the Digital Effects course so it’s a real option
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FYI, some of the Fabric guys have been trying to respond on the list about the comments regarding Fabric but their emails aren't getting through. Eric T.
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aren't getting through? please tell me this is a technical glitch... On 27 February 2014 16:39, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com wrote: FYI, some of the Fabric guys have been trying to respond on the list about the comments regarding Fabric but their emails aren't getting through. Eric T.
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Makes you wonder eh? On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:41:30 AM, Cristobal Infante wrote: aren't getting through? please tell me this is a technical glitch... On 27 February 2014 16:39, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@hybride.com mailto:ethivie...@hybride.com wrote: FYI, some of the Fabric guys have been trying to respond on the list about the comments regarding Fabric but their emails aren't getting through. Eric T.
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Wow. *Greg Punchatz* *Sr. Creative Director* Janimation 214.823.7760 www.janimation.com http://www.janimation.com On 2/27/2014 10:39 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote: FYI, some of the Fabric guys have been trying to respond on the list about the comments regarding Fabric but their emails aren't getting through. Eric T.
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Hey Luc-Eric you're the admin... any reason why their emails aren't coming through? On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:46:35 AM, Greg Punchatz wrote: Wow. *Greg Punchatz* *Sr. Creative Director* Janimation 214.823.7760 www.janimation.com http://www.janimation.com On 2/27/2014 10:39 AM, Eric Thivierge wrote: FYI, some of the Fabric guys have been trying to respond on the list about the comments regarding Fabric but their emails aren't getting through. Eric T.
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: Sofronis Efstathiou [sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk mailto:sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk ] Sent: 27 February 2014 04:41 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: new upgrade policy Hi Jordi, Thanks for the information – and 100% agree with was mentioned in your earlier post. I was going to ask that exact question (especially as your our external!). Obviously we need to transition
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On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comwrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only. Nonesense! The hive has spoken!
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sorry dude... Soft is dead.LONG LIVE SOFT!...be it dead or alive!! Sorry for The Who reference to all you who are to young to know what the hell I am talking about. *Greg Punchatz* *Sr. Creative Director* Janimation 214.823.7760 www.janimation.com http://www.janimation.com On 2/27/2014 11:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only.
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You should never apologize for The Who, those that don't get it should apologize for not getting it. Freelance 3D and VFX animator http://vimeopro.com/mybudoinc/animation On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Greg Punchatz g...@janimation.com wrote: sorry dude... Soft is dead.LONG LIVE SOFT!...be it dead or alive!! Sorry for The Who reference to all you who are to young to know what the hell I am talking about. -- *Greg Punchatz* *Sr. Creative Director* Janimation 214.823.7760 www.janimation.com On 2/27/2014 11:11 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: Kris, Dead for certain? Not yet, it is still rumor and hope to stay that way only.
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On 27 February 2014 12:54, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Fabric Engine looks very promising but I wonder what their business model really is so I am quite cautious... The world is full of great ideas but if they don't make money that is the end of it. No idea what you're getting at here Jordi - we recently closed a global site license deal with MPC. Interested to understand what your concern is so I can address it...
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also - our pricing is on our website: http://fabricengine.com/get-fabric/ On 27 February 2014 12:58, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 February 2014 12:54, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Fabric Engine looks very promising but I wonder what their business model really is so I am quite cautious... The world is full of great ideas but if they don't make money that is the end of it. No idea what you're getting at here Jordi - we recently closed a global site license deal with MPC. Interested to understand what your concern is so I can address it...
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Oh its real...its dead...going to be soon...I assure you. Wish we could just take the entire thing and privately take over. But no...all its secrets, power and coolness is locked tight in a damn Autodesk vault. Very sad. Kris
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I have the feeling I won't have the resources to build these kind of tools, looks to me like you do tools for RD which is great but we don't do RD, in fact, very few people do. Therefore I am looking at Fabric Engine with a lot of interest but I don't picture it yet.. may be I simply don't get it yet and I am very happy you got the MPC deal as surely you guys deserve it for the amazing technology you have develop but I still don't see it. May be is simply the marketing needs to up its game? I would love to know a bit more about your roadmap because if I could fill the gaps in Houdini with FE I would rather do that and keep a simpler pipeline. thanks in advance Paul Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 17:58, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 February 2014 12:54, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Fabric Engine looks very promising but I wonder what their business model really is so I am quite cautious… The world is full of great ideas but if they don't make money that is the end of it. No idea what you're getting at here Jordi - we recently closed a global site license deal with MPC. Interested to understand what your concern is so I can address it...
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Well for me and for what I do is alive and kicking and as long as third party devs continue to bring us wonderful things, I now don't have to think about stupid subscritpions or ADSK client oriented policies. Now all my money is destinated to third party devs that will continue to support Softimage no matter what. Thanks ADSK for relieving the pain of being tied to a stupid and imbecil lack of vision and support. Welcome Fabric Engine, Mootz, Fuzz, Exocortex, Redshift, etc. You will still have my money with great pleasure. 2014-02-27 12:15 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com: Oh its real...its dead...going to be soon...I assure you. Wish we could just take the entire thing and privately take over. But no...all its secrets, power and coolness is locked tight in a damn Autodesk vault. Very sad. Kris
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Hi Jordi - I'd suggest joining our mailing list if you want to get into things in more detail, I don't want to abuse my presence here - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/creationplatform All I'll say is that the 2.0 release will make it a lot easier for TDs to get going with Fabric, and there are some things cooking that should be of interest. This covers the 2.0 stuff (https://vimeo.com/84300368) Cheers, Paul On 27 February 2014 13:16, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: I have the feeling I won't have the resources to build these kind of tools, looks to me like you do tools for RD which is great but we don't do RD, in fact, very few people do. Therefore I am looking at Fabric Engine with a lot of interest but I don't picture it yet.. may be I simply don't get it yet and I am very happy you got the MPC deal as surely you guys deserve it for the amazing technology you have develop but I still don't see it. May be is simply the marketing needs to up its game? I would love to know a bit more about your roadmap because if I could fill the gaps in Houdini with FE I would rather do that and keep a simpler pipeline. thanks in advance Paul Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 17:58, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 February 2014 12:54, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Fabric Engine looks very promising but I wonder what their business model really is so I am quite cautious... The world is full of great ideas but if they don't make money that is the end of it. No idea what you're getting at here Jordi - we recently closed a global site license deal with MPC. Interested to understand what your concern is so I can address it...
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Hi Adrian - sure, I understand. We had to make a call about where to focus our resources - we decided that building the platform was the most critical thing to do, rather than trying to monetize the modules. Building a complete, artist-ready application is a significant investment and it's very hard to justify it - we have to do things where we see enough money coming from it to sustain the company. I think we'll see 3rd party devs using Fabric as a plug-in framework this year - Eric Mootz posted some thoughts on that: http://fabricengine.com/2013/12/fabric-for-third-party-developers-eric-mootz-first-look/ That said, we definitely want to be viable for smaller studios - and sooner rather than later. There will be elements in 2.0 that will be of interest to everyone. Paul On 27 February 2014 13:20, adrian wyer adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.comwrote: i think Jordi has a similar (mis)conception about Fabric as many of us do, we saw the amazing fur 'experiment' and other demos, and viewed them as purchasable plugins to our current architecture...take my damn money already! however i think the power is in enabling studios to develop their own 'plugins' the downfall for me is that like many studios, we have NO rd budgets (try working on TV docs and you'll see!) so we have to look to solutions we can purchase as a plugin or find a work around... a -- *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Jordi Bares *Sent:* 27 February 2014 18:17 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I have the feeling I won't have the resources to build these kind of tools, looks to me like you do tools for RD which is great but we don't do RD, in fact, very few people do. Therefore I am looking at Fabric Engine with a lot of interest but I don't picture it yet.. may be I simply don't get it yet and I am very happy you got the MPC deal as surely you guys deserve it for the amazing technology you have develop but I still don't see it. May be is simply the marketing needs to up its game? I would love to know a bit more about your roadmap because if I could fill the gaps in Houdini with FE I would rather do that and keep a simpler pipeline. thanks in advance Paul Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 17:58, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 February 2014 12:54, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Fabric Engine looks very promising but I wonder what their business model really is so I am quite cautious... The world is full of great ideas but if they don't make money that is the end of it. No idea what you're getting at here Jordi - we recently closed a global site license deal with MPC. Interested to understand what your concern is so I can address it...
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Will do, sorry if I sounded negative, hopefully only ignorant. :-) Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 18:25, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jordi - I'd suggest joining our mailing list if you want to get into things in more detail, I don't want to abuse my presence here - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/creationplatform All I'll say is that the 2.0 release will make it a lot easier for TDs to get going with Fabric, and there are some things cooking that should be of interest. This covers the 2.0 stuff (https://vimeo.com/84300368) Cheers, Paul On 27 February 2014 13:16, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: I have the feeling I won't have the resources to build these kind of tools, looks to me like you do tools for RD which is great but we don't do RD, in fact, very few people do. Therefore I am looking at Fabric Engine with a lot of interest but I don't picture it yet.. may be I simply don't get it yet and I am very happy you got the MPC deal as surely you guys deserve it for the amazing technology you have develop but I still don't see it. May be is simply the marketing needs to up its game? I would love to know a bit more about your roadmap because if I could fill the gaps in Houdini with FE I would rather do that and keep a simpler pipeline. thanks in advance Paul Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 17:58, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 February 2014 12:54, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Fabric Engine looks very promising but I wonder what their business model really is so I am quite cautious… The world is full of great ideas but if they don't make money that is the end of it. No idea what you're getting at here Jordi - we recently closed a global site license deal with MPC. Interested to understand what your concern is so I can address it...
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I guess the part you won't like is when 3rd parties stop supporting Soft. After all, 3rd party developers are there to make money. It makes little sense to invest dev resources in something that has no future (unless the effort involved is quite trivial). I'm not saying Soft is dead... I'm saying the landscape could quickly change once that perception sets in (based on facts or not). P.S. Not trying to be doomy/gloomy about it. Just stating facts. Sergio Mucino Freelance Rigger/TD On 27/02/2014 1:21 PM, Emilio Hernandez wrote: Well for me and for what I do is alive and kicking and as long as third party devs continue to bring us wonderful things, I now don't have to think about stupid subscritpions or ADSK client oriented policies. Now all my money is destinated to third party devs that will continue to support Softimage no matter what. Thanks ADSK for relieving the pain of being tied to a stupid and imbecil lack of vision and support. Welcome Fabric Engine, Mootz, Fuzz, Exocortex, Redshift, etc. You will still have my money with great pleasure. 2014-02-27 12:15 GMT-06:00 Kris Rivel krisri...@gmail.com mailto:krisri...@gmail.com: Oh its real...its dead...going to be soon...I assure you. Wish we could just take the entire thing and privately take over. But no...all its secrets, power and coolness is locked tight in a damn Autodesk vault. Very sad. Kris
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lol not at all - I appreciate the candour On 27 February 2014 13:35, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Will do, sorry if I sounded negative, hopefully only ignorant. :-) Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 18:25, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jordi - I'd suggest joining our mailing list if you want to get into things in more detail, I don't want to abuse my presence here - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/creationplatform All I'll say is that the 2.0 release will make it a lot easier for TDs to get going with Fabric, and there are some things cooking that should be of interest. This covers the 2.0 stuff (https://vimeo.com/84300368) Cheers, Paul On 27 February 2014 13:16, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: I have the feeling I won't have the resources to build these kind of tools, looks to me like you do tools for RD which is great but we don't do RD, in fact, very few people do. Therefore I am looking at Fabric Engine with a lot of interest but I don't picture it yet.. may be I simply don't get it yet and I am very happy you got the MPC deal as surely you guys deserve it for the amazing technology you have develop but I still don't see it. May be is simply the marketing needs to up its game? I would love to know a bit more about your roadmap because if I could fill the gaps in Houdini with FE I would rather do that and keep a simpler pipeline. thanks in advance Paul Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 17:58, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 February 2014 12:54, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Fabric Engine looks very promising but I wonder what their business model really is so I am quite cautious... The world is full of great ideas but if they don't make money that is the end of it. No idea what you're getting at here Jordi - we recently closed a global site license deal with MPC. Interested to understand what your concern is so I can address it...
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Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy?
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Remember Mirai ? http://www.izware.com/mirai/ At least they have their own website... Le 27/02/2014 19:38, Bradley Gabe a écrit : Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy?
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It seems to me if Splice is out devs like Eric Mootz are starting to build things, there is the potential to transition from ADSK applications gradually rather than cold turkey. It would be very cool to see all the fantastic people who have been contributing to Softimage over the years turn their attention to building Fabric modules. It's certainly going to be very interesting over the next few years. -Paul On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:47 PM, olivier jeannel olivier.jean...@noos.frwrote: Remember Mirai ? http://www.izware.com/mirai/ At least they have their own website... Le 27/02/2014 19:38, Bradley Gabe a écrit : Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy?
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i don't know who it was, but whoever trimmed either email... thank you! On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Bradley Gabe witha...@gmail.com wrote: Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy?
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It was ironic the Japanese word for 'future' -Tim On 2/27/2014 12:47 PM, olivier jeannel wrote: Remember Mirai ? http://www.izware.com/mirai/ At least they have their own website... Le 27/02/2014 19:38, Bradley Gabe a écrit : Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy? -- Signature
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Ha...I think it was me...drove me nuts :-) Kris On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Steven Caron car...@gmail.com wrote: i don't know who it was, but whoever trimmed either email... thank you! On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Bradley Gabe witha...@gmail.com wrote: Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy?
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i don't know who it was, but whoever trimmed either email... thank you! On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Tony Naqvi i...@tonynaqvi.co.uk wrote: Anyone remember thins ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRd5uaM18Qg
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I reupped on my subscription last month. Acting on the premise that 2015 will be the last version of softimage, I hope autodesk will throw us sub customers a bone and allow us to transfer our subcriptions over to maya without having to purchase the entire package. That would be the honorable thing to do and would go a long way towards building some goodwill towards our user base, which deserves better treatment than the way things have been handled so far. Adam On Feb 27, 2014 10:54 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: It was ironic the Japanese word for 'future' -Tim On 2/27/2014 12:47 PM, olivier jeannel wrote: Remember Mirai ? http://www.izware.com/mirai/ At least they have their own website... Le 27/02/2014 19:38, Bradley Gabe a écrit : Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy? --
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Who says Softimage 2015 is the last version? Do you always make business decisions on rumor? I don't think anybody outside of Autodesk actually knows the plan, and based on past history, doesn't sound like many in Autodesk, other than a select few, know either. Nothing wrong with looking around to check your options and see what else is available, but taking actions based on street rumors is rather premature. I think people are getting a little over worried and doing exactly what Autodesk would hope you would do by flocking to Maya. In essence, the very thing people have been digging their heels in to protect the past few years is the very thing you're selling out by over reacting. Again, not suggesting you shouldn't weigh whatever options you need to weigh and investigate to protect your business interests, but let's keep grounded in reality. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Adam Sale Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:59 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I reupped on my subscription last month. Acting on the premise that 2015 will be the last version of softimage, I hope autodesk will throw us sub customers a bone and allow us to transfer our subcriptions over to maya without having to purchase the entire package. That would be the honorable thing to do and would go a long way towards building some goodwill towards our user base, which deserves better treatment than the way things have been handled so far. Adam On Feb 27, 2014 10:54 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.commailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: It was ironic the Japanese word for 'future' -Tim On 2/27/2014 12:47 PM, olivier jeannel wrote: Remember Mirai ? http://www.izware.com/mirai/ At least they have their own website... Le 27/02/2014 19:38, Bradley Gabe a écrit : Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy? --
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True, we should not loose focus but the conversation spiralled out of the new Upgrade policy and how AD upcoming 2015 version will signal what is going on. On the contrary to what may be understood by some comments I made I love Softimage but it will be a turning point for me to see what Autodesk have been doing and what the new model brings. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:45, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: Who says Softimage 2015 is the last version? Do you always make business decisions on rumor? I don’t think anybody outside of Autodesk actually knows the plan, and based on past history, doesn’t sound like many in Autodesk, other than a select few, know either. Nothing wrong with looking around to check your options and see what else is available, but taking actions based on street rumors is rather premature. I think people are getting a little over worried and doing exactly what Autodesk would hope you would do by flocking to Maya. In essence, the very thing people have been digging their heels in to protect the past few years is the very thing you’re selling out by over reacting. Again, not suggesting you shouldn’t weigh whatever options you need to weigh and investigate to protect your business interests, but let’s keep grounded in reality. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Adam Sale Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:59 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy I reupped on my subscription last month. Acting on the premise that 2015 will be the last version of softimage, I hope autodesk will throw us sub customers a bone and allow us to transfer our subcriptions over to maya without having to purchase the entire package. That would be the honorable thing to do and would go a long way towards building some goodwill towards our user base, which deserves better treatment than the way things have been handled so far. Adam On Feb 27, 2014 10:54 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: It was ironic the Japanese word for 'future' -Tim On 2/27/2014 12:47 PM, olivier jeannel wrote: Remember Mirai ? http://www.izware.com/mirai/ At least they have their own website... Le 27/02/2014 19:38, Bradley Gabe a écrit : Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy? --
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its my impression that the well known 'Chinese whispers' effect of Autodesk saying no more reduced update prices after 2015 for subscriptions to Maya, 3D max, Softimage etc being translated as no more updates for Softimage after 2015 who said the latter exactly and when..? :) On 27 February 2014 21:51, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: True, we should not loose focus but the conversation spiralled out of the new Upgrade policy and how AD upcoming 2015 version will signal what is going on. On the contrary to what may be understood by some comments I made I love Softimage but it will be a turning point for me to see what Autodesk have been doing and what the new model brings. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:45, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: Who says Softimage 2015 is the last version? Do you always make business decisions on rumor? I don’t think anybody outside of Autodesk actually knows the plan, and based on past history, doesn’t sound like many in Autodesk, other than a select few, know either. Nothing wrong with looking around to check your options and see what else is available, but taking actions based on street rumors is rather premature. I think people are getting a little over worried and doing exactly what Autodesk would hope you would do by flocking to Maya. In essence, the very thing people have been digging their heels in to protect the past few years is the very thing you’re selling out by over reacting. Again, not suggesting you shouldn’t weigh whatever options you need to weigh and investigate to protect your business interests, but let’s keep grounded in reality. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Sale *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:59 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I reupped on my subscription last month. Acting on the premise that 2015 will be the last version of softimage, I hope autodesk will throw us sub customers a bone and allow us to transfer our subcriptions over to maya without having to purchase the entire package. That would be the honorable thing to do and would go a long way towards building some goodwill towards our user base, which deserves better treatment than the way things have been handled so far. Adam On Feb 27, 2014 10:54 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: It was ironic the Japanese word for 'future' -Tim On 2/27/2014 12:47 PM, olivier jeannel wrote: Remember Mirai ? http://www.izware.com/mirai/ At least they have their own website... Le 27/02/2014 19:38, Bradley Gabe a écrit : Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy? --
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it's a goner guys, hard to believe but true. People that know this for sure are under NDA so won't be confirming anything here. On 27 February 2014 22:01, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: its my impression that the well known 'Chinese whispers' effect of Autodesk saying no more reduced update prices after 2015 for subscriptions to Maya, 3D max, Softimage etc being translated as no more updates for Softimage after 2015 who said the latter exactly and when..? :) On 27 February 2014 21:51, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: True, we should not loose focus but the conversation spiralled out of the new Upgrade policy and how AD upcoming 2015 version will signal what is going on. On the contrary to what may be understood by some comments I made I love Softimage but it will be a turning point for me to see what Autodesk have been doing and what the new model brings. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:45, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: Who says Softimage 2015 is the last version? Do you always make business decisions on rumor? I don't think anybody outside of Autodesk actually knows the plan, and based on past history, doesn't sound like many in Autodesk, other than a select few, know either. Nothing wrong with looking around to check your options and see what else is available, but taking actions based on street rumors is rather premature. I think people are getting a little over worried and doing exactly what Autodesk would hope you would do by flocking to Maya. In essence, the very thing people have been digging their heels in to protect the past few years is the very thing you're selling out by over reacting. Again, not suggesting you shouldn't weigh whatever options you need to weigh and investigate to protect your business interests, but let's keep grounded in reality. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Sale *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:59 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy I reupped on my subscription last month. Acting on the premise that 2015 will be the last version of softimage, I hope autodesk will throw us sub customers a bone and allow us to transfer our subcriptions over to maya without having to purchase the entire package. That would be the honorable thing to do and would go a long way towards building some goodwill towards our user base, which deserves better treatment than the way things have been handled so far. Adam On Feb 27, 2014 10:54 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: It was ironic the Japanese word for 'future' -Tim On 2/27/2014 12:47 PM, olivier jeannel wrote: Remember Mirai ? http://www.izware.com/mirai/ At least they have their own website... Le 27/02/2014 19:38, Bradley Gabe a écrit : Remember when Fox canceled Futurama? Family Guy? --
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you bring the gasoline, I’ll get the matches? From: Rob Chapman Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:25 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: new upgrade policy the greedy shysters cannot get away with it. whose bright idea was this anyways? some heads are going to roll, surely there are laws against this kind of shit were broke somewhere along the line..? there are folk out there and businesses invested over 2 decades worth of experience in this app, this is personal! takes another large swig of cognac
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heh heh no, insurance will cover that, would like to 'metaphorically speaking' severely kick whomever responsible in the nuts though thats for sure. On 27 February 2014 23:01, pete...@skynet.be wrote: you bring the gasoline, I’ll get the matches? *From:* Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:25 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy the greedy shysters cannot get away with it. whose bright idea was this anyways? some heads are going to roll, surely there are laws against this kind of shit were broke somewhere along the line..? there are folk out there and businesses invested over 2 decades worth of experience in this app, this is personal! takes another large swig of cognac
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the greedy shysters cannot get away with it. whose bright idea was this anyways? some heads are going to roll, surely there are laws against this kind of shit were broke somewhere along the line..? there are folk out there and businesses invested over 2 decades worth of experience in this app, this is personal! takes another large swig of cognac
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i'm still confused as to what went down, did someone drop a line that got misinterpreted ? On 28 February 2014 00:21, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: heh heh no, insurance will cover that, would like to 'metaphorically speaking' severely kick whomever responsible in the nuts though thats for sure. On 27 February 2014 23:01, pete...@skynet.be wrote: you bring the gasoline, I'll get the matches? *From:* Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:25 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: new upgrade policy the greedy shysters cannot get away with it. whose bright idea was this anyways? some heads are going to roll, surely there are laws against this kind of shit were broke somewhere along the line..? there are folk out there and businesses invested over 2 decades worth of experience in this app, this is personal! takes another large swig of cognac
