Attachment bug
Hi TBBETA, I have found that by dragging and dropping 2 files for attachment only one is sent. The files are a "sales.cfg" file, and a "readme.txt" file (a notepad file). The "readme.txt" file is not sent. When I tried to send it by itself as an attachment (dragdrop), it does not send. Is there a problem with sending notepad files as attachments? I have been able to duplicate this several times. -- Best regards, Gary mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's thought: Eat well - stay fit - die anyway. Using The Bat! 1.42 Beta/4 on Windows W2K. -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Attachment bug
Hi Alexander, On Monday, March 20, 2000, 4:38:49 PM, you wrote in part about "Attachment bug": A 1.41 works as expected. I'm able to attach any txt file and it gets A sent just fine. Thanks Alex for input. It works using alt+Page-Up for me. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey "Using sum form of voice recognition," so please excuses errors! -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: NON BUG - A FEATURE REQUEST
Hi Simon, On Wednesday, March 29, 2000, 8:16:09 PM, you wrote in part about "NON BUG - A FEATURE REQUEST": S Well I could not stand that for very long :( S Increasing fonts to 120% has unwanted side effects: it particularly S messes with web design. well, forgot about that part, as I have not done design work in awhile, and use it for business, but you are right. It would mess with fixed width IFRAME containers. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Before you criticize someone walk a mile in his shoes. That way if he gets angry he'll be a mile away -- and barefoot. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: attachments sent as octet stream again
Hi Alexander, On Friday, April 28, 2000, 12:49:29 PM, you wrote in part about "attachments sent as octet stream again": A What e-mail clients are these people using? There still exist many A MUAs that do not deal with MIME properly;-( Thanks for your help. I will check all this out with the people that I sent the attachments too. Seems strange through. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: "I'd like to thank you all for inviting me into your living rooms this evening. It's just a shame you didn't straighten up a little." (Ernie Kovacs) PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat on *nix
Hi Leif, On Wednesday, July 12, 2000, 11:15:28 AM, you wrote in part about "The Bat on *nix": L The last we heard from the developers was that "Yes" a *nix port L will be done when Delphi is ported to *nix. L "And there was much rejoicing!" I just hope that Borland will continue with their plans to port, now that the proposed Corel / Borland agreement will not happen. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers. - Voltaire PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Beta/8
Hi Nick, On Sunday, July 16, 2000, 10:31:23 PM, you wrote in part about "Beta/8": N On Sunday, July 16, 2000, 6:59:03 PM, Gary wrote: G I will be running some tests sending PGP/Mutt from my G Linux side to my W2K side and PGP/TB! during the week and see what G happens. N Gary, I'd be very interested in your results, and would appreciate if N you would let me know, so that I could pass the information along to my N PGP-Basics Mailing List. Will do Nick. I have both OSs config'd with 6.53. I am curious myself as to what TB! will encounter also. I will try both email only, and an attachment with email. I have already tested PGP + TB! (with no attachment though) with a Linux MIME MUA (made for the GUI interface) called TkRAT + PGP 6.52 (UNIX / Linux version) on that OS. TB! decrypted it without any problems, receiving from Linux. Also, encrypting TB! to Linux, and then decrypting in Linux worked perfectly too with that MUA. This is not with TB!'s internal RFC 1991 RSA keys, but rather my 6.53 PGP Diff-Hillman keys that I use in TB! Will keep you posted on the BATTY / MUTT test. :-) Geesh, I just read what I wrote, and I am confused g -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Announcement - FAQ addition
Hi Marck, On Sunday, September 24, 2000, 4:27 PM, you wrote in part about "Announcement - FAQ addition": M I am pleased to announce a new page on the TB FAQ web site. M Allie (Curtis Martin) has written a wonderful section on the use of M templates and this has now been added to the FAQ. You can read this M new info on http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html. Outstanding job ACM... really !! This will go a long way. Now we need some anatomical illustrations g -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Computer : a million morons working at the speed of light. Same Bat time, same Bat channel -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Borland's Kylix
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 01:41:10PM +0800 or thereabouts, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I don't thnk they will do that, but if there is a *nx version, support for the *nx users will be necessary thus a *nx specialist. The worst that can happen is that they say, "here is TB compiled for *nx, get happy" but they don't participate in the Mialing List which will be spontantaneously creating by someone. I think they will indeed read it, beause if you write a program and people make a mailing list about it, believe me, you will read it. I have found the *nux users in general to be a different breed than windoze uses. Nux users are used to tearing into something, compiling everything they can get their hands on, and learning from within, and of course RTFM. This is a substantial difference from windoze users who in general just want it to work, and don't care to know why or don't want to set it up. just let it work. Of course, true Batters get more involved than that, as they like to tinker within TB! and all its powerful features. I think that once TB! was turned loose in Linux, very few people in comparison would need help, as *nux people as accustomed to getting what they need by themselves. . If you build it, they will come. So, if the Delphi code they are writing for v2 is portable, I believe it will be ported. If too much code has to be rewritten, it would not be portable. ;-) Let's hope for the best (and that the boys have read this thread g) -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Always yield to temptation, because it may not pass your way again. -- -- View the TBBETA archive at http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBBETA, double-click HERE: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ! v2.00 beta/1 Release :)
Hi Marck, On Sunday, January 21, 2001, 10:00 PM, you rearranged your electrons about "! v2.00 beta/1 Release :)": M Syafril - can we put a block on the source domain please M - localhost.localdomain If you do that, you will eliminate half of the linux boxes. The headers from that notepad whatever, indicates that it is a linux box, by using localhost.localdomain, and probably the Mandrake distro. Each distro has their own name for a local domain within the box, if not changed by the admin. My SuSE uses linux.local, but is changed by my mail server to my real address, although the message ID still remains linux.local if I remember. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: When I was a little kid we had a sand box. It was a quicksand box. I was an only child... eventually. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Printing In Color
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBBETA, Has anyone else noticed that Beta/7 doesn't print in color? My v1.53o prints in color but the new Beta/7 does not. - -- Best regards, Gary mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/7 Windows 98 4.10 Build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.1 iQA/AwUBO32Q5ycv/5trk2rhEQLNRwCeM1kzkk6K4eXmcTzCC5XX10r2sHsAnRTm jrh0+LLBoPS7ZQ+MTMxPb1kC =cC6K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Manual Filters, and IMAP Accounts
Hi Jonathan, On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:30:36 -0500 (CDT) GMT (10/10/2003, 12:30 PM +0500 GMT my time), Jonathan Angliss wrote: J Does anybody use any manual filters with IMAP accounts? I've noticed a J small issue with them. They do work, but from time to time cause AVs J while running. I have never been able to use any filtering, manual or otherwise, working from the main INBOX, from TB! and IMAP. I am using 2 IMAPS servers both of which utilize Maildir format. -- Gary Using TB! 2.00.22 on SUSE Linux and W2K Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.01?
Hi Stefan, On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:47:54 +0300 GMT (10/20/2003, 8:47 AM +0500 GMT my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: S There will be a new 2.01 build tonight or tomorrow with more fixes for S icons (radio buttons instead of check boxes) and a new option to S switch the X-Mailer header on (it'll be off by default - we gave up on S stupid admins blocking messages from TB!, I guess the battle will S continue, but it cannot be done at your and other TB! users' expense). Good deal. I have found that the X-Mailer problem is more from service companies who preform virus/spam checking for ISPs. S After that, the new Beta series will start - we are preparing changes S to interface (to make it more XP-compatible, customisable, etc), so S get ready. :-) Thanks for your input. Wishlist, long time for me... I would really like to see a Group reply function, for email groups, that would recognize the group envelope variable or a Mail-Followup-To header. The only way I currently see a way to accomplish this is with a quick template, instead of a (your pick)+ F4 or the like. -- Gary Using TB! 2.01 on SUSE Linux with Wine, exclusively. Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.01.03 - X-mailer header
Hi John, On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:38:59 -0500 GMT (10/20/2003, 8:38 PM +0500 GMT my time), John Morse wrote: J I had a misrable time with X-Ray... I couldn't configure it to do J anything... I had to uninstall it just to send mail again. Ah, what you have to do is config TB!'s SMTP to send using localhost or 127.0.0.1 and then config Xray's SMTP to your actual ISP SMTP address. This way, TB! sends it through Xray, and Xray changes the headers to what you wish out to your ISP.. -- Gary Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.01.03 - X-mailer header
Hi Keith, On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:58:31 -0600 GMT (10/21/2003, 12:58 PM +0500 GMT my time), Keith Russell wrote: On second thought, it should not matter if Bayes is already on 127.0.0.1, as Bayes is already used, but for POP3, port 110, and Xray is used for SMTP (port 25). Untested, but very possibly you would not need to do anything different. K In my case, it does matter, because SpamBayes uses 25 for training Well, just a thought, but I don't know if Xray actually captures port 25 and makes it dedicated, or just uses it for SMTP sending on demand, and then releases port 25... A true MTA daemon will capture the SMTP on 25 and not allow another MTA to utilize it. If it does not make it dedicated, you could possibly also use Bayes on 25 too, while training. I have not seen the code for Bayes, so I don't know if it also makes itself dedicated on port 25 while in training mode, but I doubt it, else no one could their own mail server while it is in training. g -- Gary Dain bramaged. Using TB! 2.01.3 on SUSE Linux exclusively. Current beta is 2.00.22 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP, and message list updates
Hello Jonathan, Friday, November 14, 2003, 8:45:46 AM, you wrote: J I've noticed a real annoyance relating to the message cache. If I J open TB, and then another mail client, modify the contents of one J folder in the second client, whilst having the same folder selected J in TB, TB does NOT refresh the message listing even if I tell if to J refresh the folder, navigate away from the folder, and reselect, J purge the folder, or tell it to refresh from the folder menu. The J only way I can seem to get it to do it is to clear the cache, which J can be quite a nasty option, especially on a folder with 25k emails J in it with the synchronization set to headers only (or even worse, J full body). J Anybody else seeing this? Yes, this happens all the time with me. In addition, I find that using filters is useless in TB!/IMAP, as they do not work, and cause many problems within a Maildir format IMAP server. -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 2.01.26 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Folder Hierarchy: Where Is It?
Hello Keith, Saturday, December 6, 2003, 1:56:42 PM, you wrote: K I'm another late-comer to IMAP. Jannik convinced me to give it a try, and K I've been using it successfully with Mulberry. Same here. K However, I haven't figured out how to get my folder hierarchy to display in K The Bat. I am able to work with my messages in the Inbox, but don't have K any of the folders that I have created on the MailSnare server or in K Mulberry (and the TB Inbox is not expandable). Manage IMAP Folders also K shows just the single folder. K What am I doing wrong? Try Account properties / mail management / and put in INBOX in the root folder section.. then restart TB!... You should then see it when you right click on the main folder and manage IMAP folders K Also...What other outstanding IMAP issues can I expect to find? How usable K is the protocol at this point? The protocol is usable to some degree, but just basic stuff... TB! still lacks the features of Mulberry. 1. Drag and drop (for me) email from one folder to another just started work in this release. This does not work at all between 2 or more different IMAP servers like it does in Mulberry. 2. Some basic filtering just started to work, not complete yet, and it does not work between 2 or more IMAP servers (different IP addresses). As you know, very complex filtering is fully functional between servers, or any other possible combination using Mulberry. -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 2.02 CE RC2 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Folder Hierarchy: Where Is It?
Hi Keith, --On Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:17:16 PM -0700 Keith Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should not have a .(dot) before your main INBOX in any case, as INBOX is treated as special (if your IMAP server is using for your DEPOT = Maildir++ ) Told you I was new to IMAP! I meant to type INBOX. and forgot where the period went (very embarrassing) No, not embarrassing at all... Please don't think that way.. g How about a typo ? g IMAP server, you can either leave it blank, or put in INBOX, or try INBOX/ and you can also try INBOX. also... some IMAP servers seem to recognize . better than / Well, I deleted the account and created a new one. I tried leaving the box empty; I tried INBOX, INBOX/, AND INBOX. Still no luck 8-(. Thanks to both you and Jonathan for the suggestions; I was hopeful for a while. Sorry about the bad luck here.. I was able to start IMAP accounts on my own IMAP servers with TB! without having to specify INBOX at all, as Jonathan originally mentioned, but I did try it out, using INBOX too, and it worked as well. Am I the only one using MailSnare? If there are any other successful MailSnare users here, please let me know what settings you're using! I checked MailSnare's site, and they support both regular IMAP and IMAPS (with SSL), so this is good. Some other thoughts.. 1. Did you check your TB! logs, to see if you were able to actually log on, using the correct settings and server address, e.g. mail.mailsnare.net, or imap.mailsnare.net.. whatever it is... Sorry, about the basic stuff here, but we have to rule this out.. 2. Since mailsnare is a paid service, you could simply email their tech support and ask what the settings are, more specifically, how is the hierarchy established, from an INBOX, and all other dirs/mailboxes under that, or all separate dirs/mailboxes under your home dir, etc... they can explain that to you... how to properly set this up. They can also tell you what is the name of the IMAP server they are using.. -- Gary Current beta is 2.02 CE RC2 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automatic Spell Check Quirk
Hello Nick, Monday, December 8, 2003, 1:57:30 PM, you wrote: N I've noticed that the automatic spell checking is working rather N quirky now. It must be turned off and then turn back on to work for N every new message I create or it won't pick up anything. N Anyone else notice this behavior? very much confirmed. -- Best regards, Gary MUA: 2.02 CE RC2 OS: Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 2.02 CE RC2 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Folder Hierarchy: Where Is It?
Hello Jonathan, Wednesday, December 10, 2003, 9:13:58 AM, you wrote: Mulberry does not have this bug. TB does g You can have a standard display, or have containers for just your Favorite mailboxes/dirs, or just subscribed dirs, or any other name you want for a container... J Ahhh virtual folders... Understood... I've seen other clients that J feature things like that too. Exactly... but called containers, (any name for them you wish), holding your favorite mailboxes, or any group of mailboxes you wish. Does not have to be subscribed to physically see these mailboxes. With TB, you have to be subscribed to see a dir/mailbox. Not so with Mulberry.. J That doesn't necessarily make it a bug, that just makes it a different J way of handling unsubscribed folders. I agree 100%, poor choice of words. J It's okay, I know exactly what it is now ;) Evolution has something J similar to it. Yes, I have used Evolution also..., but not much. however because it's unsub'd, Mulberry might be having issues with it. Is the container selectable? The issue is with TB, not being able to look at a folder unless it is subscribed. J This technically isn't a bug though, as there are no specifications in J the RFC that says a client MUST be able to display an unsubscribed J folder. Agreed, the RFC is nebulous enough g J That's just an enhancement in the client. An interesting one, that's J for sure. Not used it much in Evolution. Have not played much in Evolution, other than to set it up. J I tried to create one that emulated the virtual ticker in TB, but it J killed my PC trying to read all the folders ;) Now that is an interesting idea.. -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 2.02 CE RC2 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/21 is now available
Hi Chris, On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:55:58 + UTC (12/23/2003, 5:55 PM -0600 UTC my time), Chris Wilson wrote: P.S. I'm yet to find the problem with popping the editor window back after immediate sending - I could reproduce it only once... :-( C If it helps, I have now worked out this only happens after the 1st post C after a fresh re-launch of TB!. After that it behaves OK. Good dig.. exactly correct.. C Merry Christmas to you and all. Ditto C I run TB! under Windows 2000 SP4. Ditto -- Gary A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all. Current beta is 2.03.21 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: linux version?
Hi there MikeD, Monday, December 29, 2003, 7:30:50 AM, you wrote: M Keep in mind that you can probably run TB just fine in Linux under wine. M I had 1.6x running with Mandrake 9.0 a while ago just to test it out. hee, hee.. I use Linux exclusively, and have for years. Currently, this is how I use TB! The functionality is exactly as it would be under Windows. M I have not tried it with the 2.x version however. TB! v2 works well under Linux, currently using SUSE 8.2, and RH 9... under each distro's Wine (which is from Codeweavers). -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 2.03 Beta/24 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More glitches in IMAP
Hi Allie, On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 11:56:42 -0500 UTC (1/1/2004, 10:56 AM -0600 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: A Firstly, a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all!! All the best the new year has to off to you and your family.. A Unworked out limitations that hopefully are to be sorted out with future A updates: A * A o No automatic incoming message filtering. Filtering has to be done Amanually. A work around is IMAP server side filtering which of course I think you presented a very well thought out list, an excellent track to run on. The only thing I would add to this list (which both you and I mentioned under previous emails), would be the ability of moving or copying email between different IMAP servers, either via the copy/move command, or drag-n-drop. -- Gary If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried before. Current beta is 2.03 Beta/25 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Temp files of The Bat, Mail counter and
Hi Stefan, On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:59:43 +0200 UTC (1/18/2004, 5:59 AM -0600 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: S Well, there is an old idea and think it's now time to ask whether it's S good or not (it's a question to ALL, that's why I broke the thread: S what do you think about creating a spool directory for each account S where the incoming messages are stored before they get into the S message base? S Having such a directory, it would be possible to put S files in RFC-(2)822 format in there, so TB! will automatically take S them as received, process with filters, etc... There are two schools of thought here that I can see. First on the negative side, spooling mail first in RFC2822, would probably require some type of mbox *nux format, where each email pointer would be on the From: or some such, I am assuming... g This has a negative effect in that you are handling incoming mail twice... once for the spool, once for the permanent message base in TB! format. Processing mail, in general, more than necessary is not a good thing, more things can go wrong, e.g. malformed headers being processed, etc... I have seen many mbox formated spools, from large message bases, corrupted. If this were to be done, some very heavy duty programming checks would have to be in place to avoid this, as not all MTAs are compliant, to include possible header rewrites/additons. You also then have to deal with increased, expensive CPU cycles and mail processing time. On the positive side, it would eliminate broken .tmp files, as the same spool file would be written each time. It would probably offer better/faster filtering capabilities and some backend mail safety features, although the POP3 protocol would still keep mail on the server during a broken POP3 transaction.. S Take this as casting a vote :-) I vote for g -- Gary A person who smiles in the face of adversity...probably has a scapegoat. Current beta is 2.03 Beta/40 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/50 is now available
Hi there Stefan, Friday, January 30, 2004, 2:39:06 PM, you wrote: S Here goes a short list of changes: S [-] (#0001818) Messages could not be copied between different IMAP S accounts Nice job with the APPEND function of IMAP... this very important feature works very well now.. thanks!!! -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 2.03 Beta/47 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/50 is now available
Hi Ken, On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 02:55:08 -0600 UTC (1/31/2004, 2:55 AM -0600 UTC my time), ken green wrote: Nice job with the APPEND function of IMAP... this very important feature works very well now.. thanks!!! k What is the APPEND function of IMAP? IMAP does not use a copy or move command in the protocol. Mail is moved via the APPEND function. Please see RFCs http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2060.html http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3502.html -- Gary A person who smiles in the face of adversity...probably has a scapegoat. Current beta is 2.03 Beta/47 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! v2.03 Beta/50 is now available
Hi Johannes, On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:12:34 +0100 UTC (1/31/2004, 8:12 AM -0600 UTC my time), Johannes Posel wrote: There is no outbox in the IMAP protocol per se, but if I do an shift F2, it J The server admin can set upe, depending on the IMAP server software, a J special folder that will behave as an Outbox, meaning every message J copied there will be send by the server. Of course, but as you stated, it is a server function, just as many servers support common / shared folders (or not), address books, mailbox quotas, sharing certs, etc.. I have set up my servers (local on my LAN, and remote off-site) to utilize some of these features. Kind of empowers IMAP g -- Gary TEAMWORK...means never having to take all the blame yourself. Current beta is 2.03 Beta/47 | Using TBBETA information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Problem with email left in outbox after being sent
Hi TBBETA, Upon composing a new message, or replying to an email, and sending it, frequently a copy of the email is left in the outbox, although my server SMTP logs show the email was sent. There is no set pattern, and it does not happen on every send. This has been occurring through several betas, for a very long time. It is very annoying. Using 2.11 Beta/8 Windows 2000 SP4 -- Gary Current beta is 2.11 Beta/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP mailbox showing headers for each message twice
Hi Allie, On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:09:00 -0500 UTC (6/4/2004, 7:09 PM -0500 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: A Ok. This is one that has been bothering me for a long time. me too. A New messages are placed in it using server side filters. A I open the IMAP folder and all messages are listed twice in the A message list!! This happens to me quite frequently, but only with respect to the INBOX. This has been going on since the beginning of TB! IMAP support. It does not happen all the time though, but often enough. A I open another IMAP folder and then reopen the problem one. The A messages are now listed once. Same here... that is the way to solve this puzzle. A The only thing special about this folder that I can think of is that A it has 8 subfolders. I have no subfolders, just the INBOX.. A Finally, I don't experience this problem when using ThunderBird or A Mulberry. Agreed... -- Gary Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Freezing COMPLETELY
Hi Allie, On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 06:27:41 -0500 UTC (6/8/2004, 6:27 AM -0500 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: A GUI? Or is it that TB!'s negotiation with the server hangs and will A not continue. The latter is the case for me. yes, confirmed here also... A When this happens I'm not usually requesting a message body. Usually A it's quite unexpected since I'll simply select an IMAP folder and move A to the next unread message. However, the message will not load. exactly. This happens often. Example, just now, opening TB!, new mail was filtered to the appropriate folders, yet I could not read new messages, as they would not load from the server to be read. I had to sign off the server and restart again. A I then have to disconnect from the server, reconnect using CTRL-F2, move A to another message and back to the one I wish to read before it finally A loads. This is a problem that has creeped in over the last three or so A releases. I wouldn't have really paid it much attention but it happens A too frequently for me to just pass it off as normal. Agreed. In this latest beta, it is much more prevalent. Seems to happen often, many times throughout the day, maybe 10-20 times. A But then again, it could also be a server issue so I've been quiet A about it. However, if others are experiencing the same thing then I A guess TB! may be the culprit afterall. Well, I have tried on 2 separate IMAP servers, and have same symptoms g -- Gary Current beta is 2.11.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! 2.12 Beta/6 is now available
Hi 9Val, On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 22:31:52 +0300 UTC (7/1/2004, 2:31 PM -0500 UTC my time), 9Val wrote: G Strange behavior with the delete key, as it will not delete when pressed in G the IMAP INBOX. In all previous betas, hitting the delete key would delete G the email, but not so in this latest beta. 9 Only in Inbox or in other folders too? So far, it only happens in the INBOX, and not all the time, but sporadically, maybe one out of five emails. I can see packets being sent to the IMAP server visually (through the router), but the email is not removed after using the delete key. Interestingly using ctrl u to change an email to unread status, does the same thing, it does not work, but again, this is sporadic.. Best regards, -- Gary Using 2.12 Beta/6 Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 2.12 Beta/6 is now available
Hi Allie, On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:27:06 -0500 UTC (7/1/2004, 3:27 PM -0500 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: G Strange behavior with the delete key, as it will not delete when G pressed in the IMAP INBOX. A I can't confirm this problem. interesting indeed. This problem is sporadic, even after shutting down TB! and restarting. A Is the message list in focus when you hit delete or is the message A body in focus? Message list is in focus. -- Gary Using 2.12 Beta/6 Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: The Bat! 2.12 Beta/6 is now available
Hi 9Val, On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:30:52 +0300 UTC (7/1/2004, 4:30 PM -0500 UTC my time), 9Val wrote: G So far, it only happens in the INBOX, and not all the time, but G sporadically, maybe one out of five emails. I can see packets being sent to G the IMAP server visually (through the router), but the email is not removed 9 But responses from server? Server responds properly to the delete request. Looking at the INBOX from another MUA, it shows the email as marked for deletion, but not deleted. So, TB! marked it properly, but it was not be visually deleted. If it helps, it seems to be happening when I delete unread messages that I try to delete before they turned to read email. I have this set to mark messages as being read for 4 seconds. G Interestingly using ctrl u to change an email to unread status, does the G same thing, it does not work, but again, this is sporadic.. 9 Does not work or does not displayed? Not displayed. 9 Re-entering folder / clearing cache / synchronization helps? I mean does 9 message being unread after some of this operations? Yes, it shows when doing any of the above. Also, doing the above, will now delete the email that was previously deleted, but now it will be visually deleted. Sounds like a sync problem then? -- Gary Using 2.12 Beta/6 Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 2.12 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Some questions
On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 07:34:36AM -0700 or thereabouts, Kevin Amazon wrote in part: Hi 9Val Hello Jakub, JM finding with Found 0 messages. Why? Is it not possible to finding JM messages in VFs? :-| Not yet. JM [3.] JM set this CT to some messages they haven't strikeout font style! JM Others font attributes like: colors, bold, italic and underlined JM styles are displayed correctly with the exception of strikeout font JM style! JM Then I looked at Folder | Browse for deleted messages. JM And what I saw there? All messages had a strikeout font style! Actually, this isn't a bad idea, IMO. Consider that even if one deletes a message in an IMAP folder, the message still exists. That is until you purge the folder. Messages that have a strikeout show me that there are messages that have been deleted but not purged from the IMAP folder. well, that is exactly what the IMAP protocol calls for. Messages are not physically deleted until they are expunged (compressed in TB!). Many MUAs utilize this already, showing deleted messages with a strikeout, until they are expunged. ;) -- Gary Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Some questions
Hi Kevin, On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 15:02:46 -0700 UTC (7/11/2004, 5:02 PM -0500 UTC my time), Kevin Amazon wrote: Additionally, the IMAP RFC specifically calls for the term EXPUNGE, not purging, nor compressing. This IMO should be corrected in TB! when using an IMAP account, to differentiate, correctly so, from a POP3 setup. K You are indeed correct. Unfortunately, many server side e-mail systems K (Exchange, MDaemon and others) make reference to Purge and not K Expunge. Nevertheless, I certainly agree this should be corrected in K TB as it is very confusing especially to the new user. yah, now you get me started on something else ;), non-compliant IMAP servers. IMO, they should either follow the protocol (RFC 3501), 100%, or don't put it out the product... you just can't have half-way measures. It doesn't work, especially when talking with 50 different email clients as a server would normally. IMAP servers, as well as IMAP clients must follow the protocol... Why do some IMAP servers make reference to purge?... there is no purge in the IMAP protocol!! geesh... let's just make up a word and use it.. Getting back to the above, IMO, TB! should rename or add EXPUNGE to the folder drop down list (hot-key-able for IMAP use only)... it is different from purge or compress entirely. It has a different meaning, different functionality. It is unique to IMAP. -- Gary Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Some questions
Hi Allie, On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:27:02 -0500 UTC (7/11/2004, 4:27 PM -0500 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: A I see that there are no purge options for IMAP and wonder if compression A and purging do the same for an IMAP folder in TB!. Upon reviewing the A folder options anyway, I see that there's no purge only option and A instead purge+compress. Additionally, the IMAP RFC specifically calls for the term EXPUNGE, not purging, nor compressing. This IMO should be corrected in TB! when using an IMAP account, to differentiate, correctly so, from a POP3 setup. -- Gary Current beta is v2.12 RC/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Delete key still doesn't always work in RC/4
Hi Charles, On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 03:45:39 +0200 UTC (7/12/2004, 8:45 PM -0500 UTC my time), Charles M. Gerungan wrote: C Subject says it all. ditto --- 10-4 confirmed -- Gary Current beta is v2.12 RC/4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Beta cycle suggestion
Hi Kevin, On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:24:29 -0700 UTC (7/28/2004, 9:24 AM -0500 UTC my time), Kevin and Allie wrote in part: I've changed to viewing HTML messages as plain text by default. I'll see how things go with that setting. It shouldn't be long to give feedback on this since the INVALID HTML AV's are quite frequent here. Back to PTV with no smileys?? :) Shucks. I think I'd prefer forfeiting the smileys to putting up with these AV's. K I wanted to follow-up with you. After looking at the problem you were K having, I switched to RTV to see if I could get the same indication... K Back to PTV for me as well. Agreed. This HTML AV, for me, has been frequent using RTV, but since defaulting back to PTV, the problem is no longer. -- Gary Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: HTML AV (was: Beta cycle suggestion)
Hi Thomas, On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:30:14 +0700 UTC (7/28/2004, 10:30 AM -0500 UTC my time), Thomas Fernandez in part wrote: K I wanted to follow-up with you. After looking at the problem you were K having, I switched to RTV to see if I could get the same indication... K Back to PTV for me as well. G Agreed. This HTML AV, for me, has been frequent using RTV, but since G defaulting back to PTV, the problem is no longer. T I am not experiencing this under Win98 or XP Pro. Are you guys using T IMAP or POP accounts? I know Allie is using XP with IMAP, don't know about Kevin, and I am using TB! under W2K and Linux with wine (which is W98) and IMAP. -- Gary Using 2.12.04 Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: HTML AV - IMAP (was: Beta cycle suggestion)
Hi Thomas, On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:48:53 +0700 UTC (7/28/2004, 11:48 AM -0500 UTC my time), Thomas Fernandez in part wrote: T I am not experiencing this under Win98 or XP Pro. Are you guys using T IMAP or POP accounts? G I know Allie is using XP with IMAP, don't know about Kevin, and I am using G TB! under W2K and Linux with wine (which is W98) and IMAP. T Sounds like an IMAP problem to me. yep, the two variables for this bug are IMAP and RTV as default, AFAICT. -- Gary Current beta is 2.12.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.0 beta 1
Hello Ian, Monday, August 30, 2004, 10:18:23 PM, you wrote: A cynic might conclude that this is just a means of charging people for an upgrade. Only a fool believes that software development costs nothing, and I am sure that The Bat! users would be more than willing to pay for a genuine upgrade. The problem here is that there are bugs and incomplete features in the present version that don't work as they should, and these should be fixed before there is any thought of a version change and therefore a charge made for the upgrade. My background of doing beta work in both proprietary and open source software has lead me to offer the following: Instead of requiring a new purchase for the new V3, (with a one time 30 day trial), as beta testers, they should have unrestricted access to the software for testing, irrespective of a purchase. In other words, testers should not be forced to purchase a beta. In closed source software, several companies use a timing method for each beta version, so that each beta times out in 3-4 weeks, and will not work. This gives the testers time to find/manage bugs, time for the programmers to fix them, and then deliver another beta release in the cycle.. My personal feeling is that only after the bugs have been worked out, and the program works as advertised, should the thought of a purchase be made. -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 3.00 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: B8: Font colour changes for IMAP folders
Hello Martin, Tuesday, August 31, 2004, 6:15:03 PM, you wrote: G Postfix is a MTA (mail transfer agent, mail server if you will), and is not G an IMAP server. Postfix does not set up the above. M Yes, Postfix delivers to /var/mail (local delivery) and UW does M the rest... right ;) Actually in PF main.cf file you can specify default delivery anywhere, e.g. $HOME/Maildir/ or in mbox format. M but then I was trying to explain erroneous TB! behaviour not M every component of my system. M I should have said I'm using Postfix with UW-IMAP and I have a number M of non-selectable folders... I only mentioned it as I am now tracking problematic IMAP servers using TB! and this would help me. If you recall, someone previously had problems with Courier IMAP, enough so, that a specific fix was offered in the TB! account properties... I am trying to get a feel for those IMAP servers, no matter what OS is used, or what mail format they use, which have problems with TB!, and what those problems are, which you were kind enough to indicate. Your problem could very well be your current layout of the folders, but I have forgotten your specific layout. It could be that your folders need to be in Maidir++ style Depot where they are in line with the root folder and separated by a . or that TB! is trying to read the folder layout as Maildir++ but it is not. example: INBOX folder1 folder2 .folder2A or (depending on IMAP server) folder2 .folder2.folder2A So, folder2A would be pictured as being under folder2 in TB!. Try setting the Root folder in IMAP options to either INBOX or INBOX/ or INBOX. see what happens.. -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 3.00 Beta/1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.0.7 is now available
Hello 9Val, Monday, September 6, 2004, 12:01:45 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.0.0.7 is now available from http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ I cannot get into the site (access denied)... I have went through the procedure of having it send me my password, going on line, changing it, getting an acknowledgement, and I still cannot get in to the the beta... Can someone fix this please. -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 3.00.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.0.0.7 is now available
Hello Scott, Monday, September 6, 2004, 12:30:31 PM, you wrote: G I cannot get into the site (access denied)... I have went through the G procedure of having it send me my password, going on line, changing it, G getting an acknowledgement, and I still cannot get in to the the beta... Did you go to the second link in the list footer first? I was just there and downloaded the beta just fine. However it is very common for people to fall into the Beta Tester Registration Trap. The second link (http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/) must be followed for proper registration as a beta tester. Thanks Scott. I have been on this list and a registered beta tester for quite some time. This just took effect with V3, not being able to log in, as I had no problems all during v2... I will try it again though, thanks. -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 3.00.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! 3.0.0.7 is now available
Hello Guys, Monday, September 6, 2004, 12:35:07 PM, you wrote: Did you go to the second link in the list footer first? I was just there and downloaded the beta just fine. However it is very common for people to fall into the Beta Tester Registration Trap. The second link (http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/) must be followed for proper registration as a beta tester. Thanks Scott. I have been on this list and a registered beta tester for quite some time. This just took effect with V3, not being able to log in, as I had no problems all during v2... I will try it again though, thanks. As a follow-up, it says my login name is already taken, when I try to register, so it is in the system, it just will not let me in. As mentioned, I even went through the process of setting up my password again.. -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 3.00.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP FETCH looping
Hello 9Val, Thursday, September 9, 2004, 10:49:39 AM, you wrote: G The folders that this happens on, are random folders, happens occasionally G even when switching from a folder back to the INBOX = was it related with folders which frequently get new mail? yes, you could put it that way... yes... G I can go back to v 3008 and make logs if you wish, and/or set you up with an G IMAP account if you wish.. If it wouldn't be hard, wait for next revision and then. Okay, will do... -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 3.00.08 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: alt+F1 (help/about)
Hello Charlene, Tuesday, October 5, 2004, 3:01:11 PM, you wrote in part: C So Gary may be right, both of you have a non-functional shortcut. As you C say. you are rather clicking the mouse than using shortcuts, I assume C you haven't changed a thing in TB's configuration. Has anybody changed C the shortcuts either by incident or accident; you, Gary? I have not changed any shortcuts since early 2x.. and they were just for IMAP commands only.. All has been fine until now. Neither shortcut, nor mouse click work for me, with mouse click temporarily locking up TB! until I wrestle to get it minimized and restored. oh ummm... -- Regards, Gary Using 3.0.1 RC4 Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 3.0.1 RC/3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
minor change noted in editor
Hello Bat-personage, When editing an email, and wishing to capitalize a word, ctrl+/ no longer does so. -- Best regards, Gary Current beta is 3.0.2.3 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available
Hello Allie, Saturday, November 6, 2004, 4:43:07 AM, you wrote in part: [*] IMAP: Fine-tune option 'Retrieve only text' A This now works. However, opening the attachment doesn't lead to the A attachment being retrieved. For example, I selected a message with A attached images. The message is very quickly loaded, clearly without the A images being retrieved. However, since the message structure is A retrieved, the presence of attachments is detected and a string of tabs A representing the images and their names appears in the preview window. I A hit a tab and the tab is empty. Fine. However, the image isn't A retrieved. This causes a complete AV every time for me, and I cannot then retrieve any other email... solution is to log off then log on the account again and go to that folder, or restart TB! completely. I cannot use the above fine-tune option.. always causes an AV for the folder I am in. It worked once as you mention above. I also just found out that all my QTs have disappeared with installing this beta for me.. -- Regards, Gary Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available
Hello Allie, Saturday, November 6, 2004, 11:02:55 AM, you wrote in part: This causes a complete AV every time for me, and I cannot then retrieve any other email... solution is to log off then log on the A Yes. I can confirm this. See attached av.png yep, looks very familiar :) A If I enable the 'load text only' option and attempt to load a very large A message such as an HTML message that exceeds the specified size limit A and does not have an attachment, the AV occurs. yes, agreed, and for me; also, any message that has an attachment will cause this... cannot use this feature at all yet. I also just found out that all my QTs have disappeared with installing this beta for me.. A Not confirmed here. My QT's are just fine. /sigh/ backup, backup, backup rule one of life .. (I have one) :) -- Regards, Gary Using 3.0.2.5 Windows 2000 SP4 (under duress). Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Rush is now available
Hello Allie, Saturday, November 6, 2004, 11:02:55 AM, you wrote in part: This causes a complete AV every time for me, and I cannot then retrieve any other email... solution is to log off then log on the account again and go to that folder, or restart TB! completely. I cannot use the above fine-tune option.. always causes an AV for the folder I am in. It worked once as you mention above. A Yes. I can confirm this. See attached av.png I am now getting this AV upon starting TB! which is reproducible... have gone back to last daily build. -- Regards, Gary Using 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
cannot create message base
Hi all, I just had an error that I have not seen in a few betas. Upon manual filtering of an INBOX for an IMAP account, I received a cannot create message base. I would assume this is a failure of rebuilding the local cache after the moving of some email to its appropriate folder. I must log out from the account and restart it. Just wanted to let 9Val know. -- Best regards, Gary Using 3.0.2.6 Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
problem with IMAP and encrypted TB
Hi all, I just switched TB over to OTFI, and the INBOX of all IMAP accounts, when the INBOX refreshes, show no Subj, From, or To ... they are blank fields. The only way to have them appear is to delete the cache. All fields appear fine initially upon starting TB, but once the INBOX refreshes, or new mail arrives it's toast. This becomes a pain after deleting the cache a few 100 times to read new email. This only happens to IMAP and not POP3. -- Best regards, Gary Using 3.0.2.7 Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: problem with IMAP and encrypted TB
Hello Jake, Saturday, November 13, 2004, 9:06:59 AM, you wrote in part: I just switched TB over to OTFI, and the INBOX of all IMAP accounts, when the INBOX refreshes, show no Subj, From, or To ... they are blank fields. J I have the same problem with IMAP, Look this bug on BT : J https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4048 Yep, that's it exactly... This is a *major* problem, making IMAP accounts useless. -- Regards, Gary Using 3.0.2.7 Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.2.8 is now available
Hi 9Val, On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:04:10 +0200 UTC (11/23/2004, 11:04 AM -0500 UTC my time), 9Val in part wrote: 9 [*] IMAP: multiple connections to server (Fine Tune option) Wow.. this really speeds things up considerably and makes IMAP usage with TB! a pleasure (on the LAN)... This is a great feature, and I know it was not an easy task to complete. There seems to be a big leap forward with IMAP functionality with this Beta release, very nicely done 9Val :) Will be on the road early next week, and will be able to give you a report at that time regarding a slow dial-up connection back to my servers. -- Gary Using 3.0.2.8 Windows 2000 SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.8 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4 List index out of bounds (0)
Hi Peter, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:04:45 +0100 UTC (3/4/2005, 6:04 PM -0600 UTC my time), Peter Ouwehand wrote: P after sending a msg to the list I got: P List index out of bounds (0) P Confirmations? Yes, however, I do not get this when sending, but every time in folder view, even just looking at an email. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4 List index out of bounds (0)
Hi Peter, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:32:30 +0100 UTC (3/4/2005, 6:32 PM -0600 UTC my time), Peter Ouwehand wrote: P I must say, after I sent that msg, and while composing and sending one P in reply to Boris things became worse by the minute (or was it second), P AV's and Out of bounds msg flying around like bats in a busy cave. same here, the out of bounds were abound. :) P For now, after another attempt to close down TB nicely, then having to P kill it using the task-manager, it seems to be somewhat silent. But for P how long, ah well, I'll notice, I guess ... agreed. I also gave TB! a new roll of the dice, and the view mode shows no OOB so far... However, this has occurred many times today, even after several shutdowns and restarts. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.4: Message list font wrong at start-up
Hi MAU, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:29:49 +0100 UTC (3/5/2005, 6:29 AM -0600 UTC my time), MAU wrote: M When I start 3.0.9.4 the Message list is _always_ displayed with the M wrong font anf size. Selecting Options/Preferences (without changing M anything) and clicking OK brings the right font and size... until TB is M started again Confirmed. It happens on every startup of TB! Very annoying, as it is a huge font size. Changing fonts then restarting TB, does nothing, it still happens. -- Gary Using 3.0.9.4 Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: AV's while emptying folder cache
Hi Allie, On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:17:00 -0500 UTC (3/5/2005, 7:17 AM -0600 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: A What resulted is a spectacularly fast cascade of unending A AV's. The sound that goes with the AV popup stuttered madly A until I killed TB!. Confirmed, happened to me also. A On restart, it would seem that the cache was in fact A emptied since the index was rebuilt etc. Agreed... I also had several cannot rebuild index errors. I must go back to an older version, this is too unstable for me to use. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Problems with connection on running test
Hi 9Val, On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 12:26:05 +0200 UTC (3/9/2005, 4:26 AM -0600 UTC my time), 9Val wrote: 9 Problem is not only in server, but in collaboration with such server. 9 As I wrote before, only server I know which correctly supports 9 multiple connections is BatPost. It allows access to the same mailbox 9 from simultaneous connections without any problems. Other servers do 9 not allow such features so TB! performs heuristic client-side folder 9 locking. Since every server has own opinion about how to handle such 9 simultaneous requests, it is not so easy to find the best pattern to 9 queue requests. From one of my UNIX servers, using another client, you can see many simultaneous connections, on just a few folders: tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.1162 ESTABLISHED tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.1161 ESTABLISHED tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.1160 ESTABLISHED tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.1159 ESTABLISHED tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.1150 ESTABLISHED tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.1149 ESTABLISHED tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.1148 ESTABLISHED -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Problems with connection on running test
Hi 9Val, On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:38:23 +0200 UTC (3/10/2005, 3:38 AM -0600 UTC my time), 9Val wrote: 9 It is correct, but now try to select one mailbox from different 9 connections (or even clients). It is the same, the below is from using not only the same mailbox, but also reading the same email within that mailbox, using Outlook 2003 and Mulberry for the test. This is in my LAN Unix IMAPS server. tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.2203 ESTABLISHED tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.2202 ESTABLISHED tcp4 192.168.0.6.993192.168.0.5.2199 ESTABLISHED The same multiple connections are showed on a different IMAP server, MDaemon in XP, coming in from the WAN (Internet) on different connections, into the same mailbox using Mulberry and TheBat!. Only the listed established IP addresses are obviously different. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Problems with connection on running test
Hi 9Val, On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:57:50 +0200 UTC (3/10/2005, 9:57 AM -0600 UTC my time), 9Val wrote: 9 You have good server, not all servers allow that. LOL... I think pretty much most IMAP servers are that way, Binc and I think, Courier are on Unix/Linux (I use Binc as you know), and I am using MDaemon Pro in XP for IMAPS also.. I don't know about UW-IMAP as I have never used it. But it makes sense, any connection to the server is just another socket connection, and its only limitation is that of the OS as to number of total sockets. Regarding locking of a mailbox in IMAP, there can't be any. An example would be a public mailbox on an enterprise IMAP server which might have 100, 200, 500 or more simultaneous connections to it at any given time, so it can't be locked, as a POP3 mailbox would. I also think the type of mailbox is important also in the way it stores email on an IMAP server. Examples, in the mbox format style, all mail is stored on one spool, versus the Maildir format where each email is stored as individual email, not on one spool. Therefore, there is no mbox spool locking required when new mail arrives to be appended to the spool, or to be read by the user(s). Binc, Courier, and MDaemon work on Maildir type formats, each email separate, therefore making multiple accesses to the same email, in the same mailbox possible. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.3 Pre-beta | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5 Return is now available
Hi Stefan, On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:30:19 +0200 UTC (3/11/2005, 2:30 PM -0600 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: S Basically, it has many cosmetic fixes related to the new interface system S and IMAP fixes. This bug is still present, as first mentioned by MAU M When I start 3.0.9.4 the Message list is _always_ displayed with the M wrong font anf size. Selecting Options/Preferences (without changing M anything) and clicking OK brings the right font and size... until TB is M started again very aggravating as it happens on every restart. I have to manually go into the routine of Selecting Options/Preferences/Fonts to readjust just to read message list. -- Gary Using 3.0.9.5 Return (pre-beta) Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.0.9.4 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.9.5 Return is now available
Hi Stefan, On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:30:19 +0200 UTC (3/11/2005, 2:30 PM -0600 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: S Basically, it has many cosmetic fixes related to the new interface system S and IMAP fixes. Email selected for moving from one IMAP server to another (Ctrl V) is moved to the new server, but is not deleted (or marked for deletion) from the original server. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.4 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.0.9.9 Return (pre-beta) is now available
Hi Stefan, On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:13:11 +0200 UTC (3/22/2005, 12:13 PM -0600 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: S The Bat! 3.0.9.9 Return (pre-beta) is now available from: S http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tbb30909.rar Upon opening my IMAP inbox, for the second time, I get this. -- Gary attachment: AV.jpg Current beta is 3.0.9.8 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Changes to the TB Lists
Hi Stuart, On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:58:10 +0100 UTC (4/1/2005, 9:58 AM -0600 UTC my time), Stuart Hemming wrote: From today forward, to remain a subscriber to our realm of goodness on the TB lists, it'll cost you $5,000 per month. S Cheap at twice the price! yah, just give him a barrel of oil... -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.11 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Getting hitched, ball-and-chained, de-bachelorized etc.
Hi Leif, On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:46:15 -0600 UTC (4/8/2005, 2:46 PM -0600 UTC my time), Leif Gregory wrote: L Well friends, the time has come.. Rachel and I will be married this L Saturday, the 9th, at 6:30pm. Congratulations Leif. If I can offer one piece of advice, please get married in the morning hours. that way if it doesn't work out, the whole day isn't shot. :rofl: -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.13 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Wrong Body Loaded, and Browse Deleted Messages
Hi Jonathan, On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:53:01 -0500 UTC (4/23/2005, 10:53 PM -0600 UTC my time), Jonathan Angliss wrote: J We were discussing offlist some things about IMAP, and he had J mentioned that he had not had a wrong body loading issue with the J latest beta. J http://thebat.netdork.net/imap_wrong_body.png Confirmed, I too have seen wrong message body loaded several times. Also TB! still closes connection to the server when it feels like it. This has happened a lot in the past, and still persists.. It just closed the connection after 1 minute upon opening email this morning. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.18 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Wrong Body Loaded, and Browse Deleted Messages
Hi Allie, --On Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:51 PM -0500 you wrote in part: Also TB! still closes connection to the server when it feels like it. This has happened a lot in the past, and still persists.. It just closed the connection after 1 minute upon opening email this morning. So far it seems to have done and old car sort of thing on me. It sputters and backfires a few times and then runs smoothly once it's up to speed. umm, just the opposite for me. It started out fine for a day, then went back to its old ways. I'm not sure why the connection problems were so crippling initially, only to see things running smoothly now. shrug Since those initial connection problems, and barring the lacking features, its current capabilities have remained problem free so far. amen to that.. I have not hit nirvana yet g Going from email to email has improved regarding being able to read the body of the highlighted message, but still occasionally it will leave it blank still, unable to read it. Also have problems with reading the wrong message body as mentioned, and the above closing connection business. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.18 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Wrong Body Loaded, and 'Browse Deleted Messages'
Hi Allie, --On Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:40 PM -0500 you wrote in part: But that's not good. That may be why clearing the cache doesn't help with many of your or even my problems. Let's see. Using my filemanager, I just navigated to the tbb and tbi files of one of my IMAP mailboxes. I then cleared the cache for the corresponding TB! IMAP folder and watched the files disappear in my filemanager. Clearing the cache led to the deletion of the corresponding tbb and tbi files here. ... [snip] ... Why should anyone have to do this, to go through clearing caches, or not being able to read email, or being logged off? I can easily switch from client to client in Windows or UNIX/Linux, logging on to 2 different IMAP servers on XP and FreeBSD on my lAN, as well as any other anonymous IMAP server on the WAN, and do not have this problem with any other client. Just my 2c. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.18 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Wrong Body Loaded, and 'Browse Deleted Messages'
Hi Jonathan,
--On Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:08 PM -0500 you wrote in part:
I do have a theory on this, because I used to get this when spending time
off of the betas (or TB in general). I have a feeling that because you'd
not had it open in such a while, and that the folders were completely out
of sync (in terms of what TB has cached, and what your imap server has),
TB probably thinks it is better to fetch the message listing again.
Could very well be... sounds very plausible.
UID FETCH 1:* {fetch options here}
As an example. Your imap server might cringe at the thought of that,
especially on a large folder, and then run off to start the work. While
in the process of fetching the message information, it doesn't send
anything back to TB within the timeout period set on the imap connection
(in TB), and TB doesn't hear anything back, has assumed that the server
has gone AWOL. At which point, it closes the connection. After a few
failures, and reattempts of course, TB finally manages to get everything
back in sync, and is happy doing the usually rapid checks on the state of
the mailbox.
I like this theory... In addition, this has happened on a very small folder
only holding 30 emails total.
--
Gary
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Re: IMAP: Wrong Body Loaded, and 'Browse Deleted Messages'
Hi Allie, On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:22:41 -0500 UTC (4/24/2005, 8:22 PM -0600 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: I like this theory... In addition, this has happened on a very small folder only holding 30 emails total. A I have all folders here set to not synchronise. What are your sync A settings Only my INBOX is set to sync headers only. All other folders do not sync. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.18 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Wrong Body Loaded, and 'Browse Deleted Messages'
Hi 9Val,
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:52:24 +0300 UTC (4/25/2005, 8:52 AM -0600 UTC my time),
9Val wrote:
JA UID FETCH 1:* {fetch options here}
9 Historically, it uses FETCH 1:* (UID FLAGS) to get valid UIDs and
9 flagssynced. I'm thinking about cheapiest way to do it -
9 perhaps search for every kind of flag will consume less traffic but will
9 be a little bit harder to handle for server.
9 If you have not visited folder before it will get envelopes too.
It should get envelopes... please see below.
Mon 2005-04-25 09:01:51: -- A4 OK SEARCH completed
Mon 2005-04-25 09:01:51: -- A5 MYRIGHTS testbox
Mon 2005-04-25 09:01:51: -- * MYRIGHTS testbox lrswipcda
Mon 2005-04-25 09:01:51: -- A5 OK MYRIGHTS completed
Mon 2005-04-25 09:01:51: -- A6 FETCH 1:50 (FLAGS RFC822.SIZE UID
INTERNALDATE ENVELOPE BODYSTRUCTURE)
Mon 2005-04-25 09:01:51: Sending FETCH response (not logged)...
Mon 2005-04-25 09:01:51: -- A6 OK FETCH completed
Mon 2005-04-25 09:01:53: -- A7 UNSELECT
Mon 2005-04-25 09:01:53: -- A7 OK UNSELECT completed
Mon 2005-04-25 09:02:04: -- A8 LOGOUT
Mon 2005-04-25 09:02:04: -- * BYE IMAP engine signing off (no errors)
Mon 2005-04-25 09:02:04: IMAP session complete, (37840 bytes)
Mon 2005-04-25 09:02:04: --
--
Gary
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Re: IMAP Fine Tune - Reserve One Connection...
Hi Jonathan, On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:15:49 -0500 UTC (4/25/2005, 9:15 AM -0600 UTC my time), Jonathan Angliss wrote in part: J multiple IMAP connections, I decided to enable 2 connections. Can J anybody confirm that enabling more than one connection does NOT allow J you to select the Reserve a connection for mail retrieval? Mine shows it checked, but grayed out. Netstat -an confirms my multiple connections. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.18 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: imap sync
Hi Manuel, --On Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:00 AM +0200 you wrote in part: IMAP seems to be working well for me. Might not hurt to mention which server you use. Mine is Fastmail. And mine is SmarterMail Pro 2.6 For me it's working good. Mine is Fastmail, too. Actually guys, Fastmail is an email service provider. They use an IMAP server on the back end, the name of I do not know. Perhaps you can email their customer service to find out. It could be Cyrus, UW, Courier, Binc, or several others in unix/linux, and MDaemon, etc. in a windows OS. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.19 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: imap sync
Hi Gleason, On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:43:38 -0700 UTC (4/26/2005, 10:43 PM -0600 UTC my time), Gleason Pace wrote: G Fastmail says they use Cyrus. cool, thanks, I never knew that.. Cyrus is a great IMAP server, handles multiple concurrent connections to the same mailboxes, handles ACLs, etc. Thanks for the info. -- Gary Current beta is 3.0.9.19 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: RC/2 - Message loading interrupted with the updating of folder counts
Hi Allie, On Wed, 4 May 2005 18:48:15 -0500 UTC (5/4/2005, 6:48 PM -0500 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: A I've noted that quite reliably and without fail, if I select a message A to be viewed and I do so when TB! is updating the folders count when new A messages arrive in that folder, TB! gets side-tracked updating the A folders count, and forgets to load the message. I eventually have to A manually reload the message when the folder tallying settles down. exactly, and sometimes for me, a manual reload of the message will not load it either... nothing will load it, or them.. Basically, as new mail comes in, I cannot read it most times... This was an older bug, but fixed in v18 IIRC.. A Additionally, when new messages are added to a folder, the folder count A goes to 1 and then goes back to the correct count with the new messages A added. Cosmetic, so not terribly high on the priority list IMO. confirmed also. -- Gary '...have you taken your Haldol today?' Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
I can't use rc2
Hi ya'll, This morning, I have given rc2 a good workout with plenty of new mail in my IMAP INBOX. With this release, I have not experienced any AVs as some of you have been with this release, when deleting email, and as I had on all previous recent betas... However, after reading or deleting several emails, as new mail would come in to the INBOX, the message list jumps around, changing positions dramatically, and I cannot read email. The message bodies will not load on many emails, and this happens often enough that it makes reading email absolutely impossible. If I cannot read email, I can't use it. -- Regards, Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available
Hi 9Val, On Fri, 6 May 2005 00:07:54 +0300 UTC (5/5/2005, 4:07 PM -0500 UTC my time), 9Val wrote: 9 The Bat! 3.5 Return RC3 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Now, anytime any new mail arrives, while reading email, going to the next email to read, the body will not load at all. I cannot read email in the IMAP INBOX. This is reproducible all the time. Refresh does nothing, only going to another folder, and back again (Purge+compress is set to on for this) will allow me to read that email, but when new mail arrives, I cannot read the next email again. -- Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: fix all bugs
Hi MAU, --On Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:47 PM +0200 you wrote in part: I don't know if you intended it, but all the lines in your messages are followed by an extra carriage return. Even if all that it can do now works as it should without glitches etc., I'd still not be happy because of the POP legacy very slowly being relinquished. Not here Allie. See below the same paragraph you quote: Even if all that it can do now works as it should without glitches etc., I'd still not be happy because of the POP legacy very slowly the reason is that Gleason is sending HTML email to the list, and this shows an additional CR. -- Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP header wow
Hi Ya'll, I am going through this morning's mail in IMAP, and the major problem of bodies not showing up when new mail arrives, seems to have been eliminated for the most part. I still am getting email that I cannot open occasionally. However, I now click on an email and a different body shows up than the one that is in the list. So the email header in message list is associated with the wrong body, which happens to be the next one down on message list. Upon clicking on the two mixed emails, this does nothing... still shows incorrect body. -- Regards, Gary using rc5 on XP Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: fix all bugs
Hi Cees, On Sun, 8 May 2005 15:43:45 +0200 UTC (5/8/2005, 8:43 AM -0500 UTC my time), Cees wrote: C okay I'm trying to reply now with windows editor option. Normally I C use the first option, plain text microed, but for testing purposes C THIS editor does not wrap and quote as it should, see above. this came through as plain text, not HTML or enriched. C Additional question: can it not be arranged that the preferred editor C can be chosen PER ACCOUNT? not that I am aware of. C I have an emaillist on my gmailaccount which requires htmleditor. C Pictures have to be included IN the message and not with the C paperclip-option. So for that account I want htmleditor, for the other 3 C I want to use plaintext. As far as I know, you would have to edit manually to change to HTML text for in-line pictures. -- Gary '...have you taken your Haldol today?' Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP header wow
Hi Martin, On Sun, 8 May 2005 20:14:47 +0100 UTC (5/8/2005, 2:14 PM -0500 UTC my time), Martin Webster on tbbeta wrote: However, I now click on an email and a different body shows up than the one that is in the list. So the email header in message list is associated with the wrong body, which happens to be the next one down on message list. Upon clicking on the two mixed emails, this does nothing... still shows incorrect body. M I'm sure this was resolved in an earlier beta or RC... I haven't M seen it for some time. Perhaps you need to clear the cache and start M over? Cache is cleared upon close, and this was a new start of TB! -- Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP header wow
Hi Matt, On Sun, 8 May 2005 13:29:21 -0700 UTC (5/8/2005, 3:29 PM -0500 UTC my time), Matt Thoene wrote: However, I now click on an email and a different body shows up than the one that is in the list. So the email header in message list is associated with the wrong body, which happens to be the next one down on message list. Upon clicking on the two mixed emails, this does nothing... still shows incorrect body. M How about a RMB - Reload? I have had similar issues and the reload M usually works. reload did not work, and one should not have to reload to read email in IMAP :) -- Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP header wow
Hi Martin, On Sun, 8 May 2005 22:01:29 +0100 UTC (5/8/2005, 4:01 PM -0500 UTC my time), Martin Webster on tbbeta wrote: M Do you use syncronisation? For me, I get best results with no M synchronisation. Only when I browse messages is the body retrieved; M this includes attachments 10kB. However, the server is on my M LAN...so I'm going to try TB! with a remote IMAP server in the next M few days. none of my folders are synced, as I have 2 IMAP servers (one XP, and one FreeBSD) on the LAN. -- Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP test AV
Hi 9Val, On Thu, 12 May 2005 17:10:32 +0300 UTC (5/12/2005, 9:10 AM -0500 UTC my time), 9Val wrote: TB I just got an AV when testing the connections in IMAP fine tune. TB The test button counts down from 30 and as soon as it gets to zero I get TB the attached AV. 9 Can anybody else confirm? Tried it, and it works okay. -- Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RC/8: IMAP on slower connection
Hi Allie, On Thu, 12 May 2005 10:28:06 -0500 UTC (5/12/2005, 10:28 AM -0500 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: A H. I've been getting disconnections and mailbox processing errors A at work here. well, I have been getting this part also on my LAN. -- Gary '...have you taken your Haldol today?' Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: imap doing strange?
On Thu, 12 May 2005, Cees wrote: I'm noticing that messages are not being (re)loaded only the first few. And I get a hell of a lot of duplicates Anyone else noticing this behaviour? I have the same problem with loading, or reloading, especially as new mail arrives, but have not seen duplicates. -- Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC8 is now available - HELP
Hi 9Val, --On Friday, May 13, 2005 12:41 AM +0300 you wrote in part: Hi All, The Bat! 3.5 Return RC8 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ I installed rc9 on XP, over my existing stuff... I cannot start it! It crashes immediately... installed again, same. It will not run. -- Garyattachment: rc9.jpg Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 Return RC8 is now available - HELP
Hi Gary, On Thu, 12 May 2005 20:11:39 -0500 UTC (5/12/2005, 8:11 PM -0500 UTC my time), Gary wrote: G I installed rc9 on XP, over my existing stuff... I cannot start it! It G crashes immediately... installed again, same. It will not run. I had to completely delete and reinstall everything. It is now working. -- Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Spellchecker problem
Hello all, I have installed rc9, Professional, and then even the lang pack, but every word is underlined in red as I type this... Apparently, there is no dictionary -- Regards, Gary Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 is now available
Hi 9Val, On Sat, 14 May 2005 01:06:44 +0300 UTC (5/13/2005, 5:06 PM -0500 UTC my time), 9Val wrote: 9 The Bat! 3.5 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php bravo !!! So much has been improved in all areas, and IMAP is so good now, I can't stand it :) I have my TB! back.. Just terrific work guys... thanks very much for your hard work. -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5 Final a preview of issues to be tested
Hi 9Val, On Sat, 14 May 2005 03:12:43 +0300 UTC (5/13/2005, 7:12 PM -0500 UTC my time), 9Val wrote: 9 (no, I'll not sleep all the time, just have some work to 9 finish University and pass exams :) ) just have a big bottle of Stoli around... it helps for exams :) Seriously, thanks for all your hard work... and it has been that, hard work. -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5 is now available
Hi Maxim, On Sat, 14 May 2005 03:25:53 +0300 UTC (5/13/2005, 7:25 PM -0500 UTC my time), Maxim Masiutin wrote: bravo !!! So much has been improved in all areas, and IMAP is so good now, I can't stand it :) I have my TB! back.. M Thank you for the positive feedback! I'd like you to repeat that M after four days of using the program! LOL ... it's a deal :) Actually, tomorrow morning's email load (roughly 1000) should really give me a great indication. The latest RC held up perfectly this morning before this release. TB! is so feature rich now, you might consider putting together a CD or flash programs on the web to sell for $5 or $10, as an in-depth tutorial for those newer users who wish to learn all about its power. -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
message list jumps like crazy in IMAP
Hi all, As new mail arrives to an already existing INBOX in IMAP, the message list jumps around terribly, which causes the email I am reading, to actually change to some other... On a busy site, when many emails coming in, it becomes very difficult to read any email this way :) The message list just will not settle down. -- Regards, Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP in 3.5
Hi Allie, On Sun, 15 May 2005 16:16:58 -0500 UTC (5/15/2005, 4:16 PM -0500 UTC my time), Allie Martin wrote: A I've been experiencing reliable operations here for 48 hours going. No A forced restarts or AV's. This is truly remarkable and unprecedented A since I started using IMAP and TB! Same experience here, except given the occasion not being able to read message bodies, and I have solved the jumping message list by turning off when on line, refresh folders every x minutes Doing this still refreshes the inbox without the jumping, which leads to some messages not being loaded. So this is pretty much solved. Otherwise, my mail operation with TB!, on all levels, has been most pleasant. :) big snip here A However, there's still work to be done yet. yes, some more fine tuning, and adding NAMESPACE and ACLs. -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On Wed, 18 May 2005 00:01:09 +0300 UTC (5/17/2005, 4:01 PM -0500 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: S The source of problems with IMAP in TB! is in the data structures used in S the program and their usage with IMAP. The data structures were initially S oriented to the local storage and this heavily influenced to the IMAP S implementation. This is a very well spoken statement. Thank you for your candor. S So, the next Beta cycle is going to be primarily about: - IMAP (many S things will be rewritten) snip this is very exciting news. I am looking forward to it. -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hi Stefan, On Wed, 18 May 2005 19:28:05 +0300 UTC (5/18/2005, 11:28 AM -0500 UTC my time), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: At least that's the way it was explained to me anyway. S Well, to maintain political correctness, I would give no comment on this S :-) This cracks me up, following this thread... Stefan, you should go into politics LOL -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hi Jonathan, Possibility 1: Mulbery fetched the message-id header using the method I used in the above mentioned message (or something close to it). The imap server messed with the returned data, and stripped the off of the message-id. We know the messages had them in there originally, we can all go look at our archives. This would then mean Mulbery was not being very RFC compliant, and just dumped what it got back straight back out again. I have to disagree with you here Jonathan, RFC 3501 as you know, says... A quoted string is a sequence of zero or more 7-bit characters, excluding CR and LF, with double quote () characters at each end. If his IMAP server fails to send this correctly, it means his server is not RFC compliant. TB! or Mulberry can only be compliant with the RFC and not deviate from it. It must assume that it is dealing with a compliant server. It cannot and should not do otherwise. There is an RFC suggestion somewhere that says something along the lines of be liberal in what you accept, and strict in what you send. Basically meaning, you can accept anything within a flexible bounds to the RFC, but follow the RFCs when sending stuff back out. I would say this is programmer's saying or adage, as there is nothing of this in the RFC as you know. This meaning, if the IMAP server /really/ did strip off the from the message-id, Mulbery *should* have put them back, as the are a MUST per RFC. Now here is where I disagree with you. Yes, it is a must in the RFC, but it is not up to the client to fix a broken server, and I believe that is what you are asking above. You are asking a client to pick up and make a non-compliant server compliant, to fix is shortcomings. So, where does it end? Should a client fix any broken IMAP server for whatever reason, e.g. broken attributes or commands. One should only assume that any server is 100% compliant. IMO, that is the only way to build a client. Everything else leads to speculation, and isn't that why we have RFCs? I can only hope that TB! will be 100% compliant in its future development and settle for no less. Only then will it be a true IMAP client. Regards, -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Threading?
Hi Jonathan, On Fri, 20 May 2005 09:39:44 -0500 UTC (5/20/2005, 9:39 AM -0500 UTC my time), Jonathan Angliss wrote: J Sure, and if all clients/servers worked in RFC compliance, we would J never have any of these issues. yes, just look at how many problematic email servers are out there floating around with this old basic protocol. J There are hacks to a lot of major IMAP server implementations to J support buggy clients, and visa versa too. One of the greatest non-compliant clients of all time are the earlier versions of Outlook. J Check the IMAP fine tune menu in the account dialog, there is one right J there for Courier :) exactly my point :) This is needed by TB!, yet is not needed by Mulberry when talking to a Courier server. No additional switches are needed, and personally, I gave up Courier years ago, moved to Binc, again with Maildir format.. Sam is a little too far out there at times for me :) J Some of the time, and I've found this particularly true on RFC3501, J interpretations of the docs can be different to each person. very true... it is a complex, difficult protocol Now here is where I disagree with you. Yes, it is a must in the RFC, but it is not up to the client to fix a broken server, and I believe that is what you are asking above. You are asking a client to pick up and make a non-compliant server compliant, to fix is shortcomings. So, where does it end? Should a client fix any broken IMAP server for whatever reason, e.g. broken attributes or commands. One should only assume that any server is 100% compliant. IMO, that is the only way to build a client. Everything else leads to speculation, and isn't that why we have RFCs? J Okay, maybe we'll look at this differently... The header that was J broken was the one added by Mulbery. That means that Mulbery was the J one that generated the non-RFC compliant header by not having the J in the headers. Sure, if the IMAP server didn't return the data with J the in the line in response to a fetch for the Message-ID header, J the client should put them in it, the RFC says they MUST be there. J But, that would mean the IMAP server was processing the data, which J it really shouldn't be. When you tell it to look at the header lines, J it should return the content of that header (including the header J field itself) as it appears in the email (wrapping, bad content, J whatever). The answer lies with Tony, as he opened his logging capability when talking to his IMAP server and sent it off, showing the server side problem. Perhaps if he would send it off to you, off list, this might help. J While in general, I /hate/ the idea of client hacks to fix server J problems, and visa versa (trust me, I've done plenty of both). Of J course, without proper knowledge of what the Mulbery/server is really J sending to each other, we're just speculating on what is happening. exactly, agreed... as above, if Tony can send you his logs on this, off list. I can only hope that TB! will be 100% compliant in its future development and settle for no less. Only then will it be a true IMAP client. J Sure, and it'll probably break when it hits a server that is slightly J RFC incompliant, or a server implementation of the RFC specifications J that doesn't meet the same understanding of the RFCs as RitLabs. I J think the only person that really knows, and understands RFC3501 as it J should be understood is Marc Crispin ;) LOL... Mr. UW-IMAP with all that code bloat... probably so :) J We (I say we and mean the people on a project I work on) have come across J many understandings of some stuff, and had many disputes about it which J ultimately ended up being taken on the IMAP RFC list to be clarified by J Mr Crispin :) Yes, I know a few IMAP authors who subscribe to that list when problems arise in the implementation. I have seen this too g -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.0.11 / 3.5 Postfix a preview of issues to be tested
Hi Boris, On Mon, 23 May 2005 22:15:29 +0200 UTC (5/23/2005, 3:15 PM -0500 UTC my time), Boris Anders wrote: B Tony Boom wrote (in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]): B For me, it is. Don't know whether it's an good idea to use @192.168.2.12 B (see above) but I've no problem with that. IIRC, without looking it up, there is absolutely no spec for a message ID at all. You can use whatever you wish, as long as it is unique for each email. If he wanted to put @chicken-soup it is permissible. :) In fact, many people modify this on purpose, on many groups,to ward off some spammer software which harvest and key in on the message ID. Some email clients, e.g. Pine, even will have a option to encrypt the domain in the message ID, before sending it. -- Gary Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
