Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?
I'd look at Imagestream or Vyatta. Cisco, like you say is pretty high priced (You'd probably want a ASR1K). I love my Foundry routers, but they don't do services (Great at moving packets though) i would look to a CER from Foundry, but price will still be higher than you may want, think 10k. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Nick lists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote: They need to run up to 1Gbps. ATT is installing a 1Gbps connection. Realistically I don't think they'll use that all of the time, probably in the 500-750Mbps range. No clue on average packet size. On 2/2/2011 10:57 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: How much real throughput do they need? Any idea of the average packet size? You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than the Cisco: http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 tel:+18008135123 x106 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick *Sent:* Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:16 PM *To:* us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch? I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and 1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or Foundry. Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're in the $20k-$40k range. Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any firewall or filtering on this device. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3418 - Release Date: 02/02/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer *Arvig Communications Systems* diversicom-Melrose Telephone-Wisper Wireless 320.351.WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -
I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer *Arvig Communications Systems* diversicom-Melrose Telephone-Wisper Wireless 320.351.WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Well, our conglomerate of dealers isn't too ad to work with, but in our area they are running right at 4 watts EIRP. I got them to agrre to turn them off after harvest. They just came in and putt htis stuff up, told the farmer it wouldn't hurt us at all. I think the biggest issue is that we are on the same structure, so our yagis ar pointed right at their antenna too. they are running vertical here, and we run horizontal, but it is still enough to take us into 1X. they claim they cannot program the hop frequencies. they also did say that JD is coming out with a new radio this spring and they have some big incentives to upgrade. the dealer didn't know what frequency it was, but he said he had to register each site with the FCC. could be whitespace i suppose, but i didn't think that anything was ready there yet, otherwise 3650 comes to mind. The machinery only needs to receive 1 of 10 transmissions, so they can deal with a lot. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I'm installing an AP soon on a grain leg that has one of those on it. What type of problems have you seen with them? First one I ever have come across, had to ask farmer boy what the heck it was. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard Jr Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, DragonWave and whatelse?
DragonWave has their Horizon Duo, which is a split mount system. If you enable the second radio in the unit you take a pretty TX power hit though. No 6ghz radio though, which you will want at 20-25 miles. I had a ton of problems with my 2 Airpair 11Ghz links. Knock on wood, they have been running for about a year now though. Ceragon makes a very good radio, but lead times for 6 and 11ghz high power stink. I put an order in at the end of October and have really been hounding them. I should have the rest of my order next week. I bought 5 links, 4 11ghz and 1 6ghz, all high power. If you don't want/need high power it should be better. I bought IPMAX2 HP because I can move the RFU's indoors if I want and gain another 3db of TX power. I also would look at Nera. They have a radio that is pretty nice. No 256qam or hitless adaptive modulation yet, but price and delivery seem to be reasonable. Nera also seems to have the best system gain in the market, 102db. DragonWave will probably be cheapest, but they don't have a split mount 6ghz radio. No experience with Nera yet, but I plan to this year. I really think Ceragon has the complete package at this time, but getting equipment is like pulling teeth. My 2 cents anyway. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-0178 Direct 320-333-9448 Cellular 320-256-7555 Fax -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse? Dear All, we are considering to move to licensed frequencies for back hauling and therefore some hints would be really appreciated. We are looking at 2 main manufacturers (Ceragon/Dragonwave) so the problem is which one fits better for our needs? Just to summarize: a) links are around 20-25 miles b) antennas: the smaller the better c) robustness is very important d) average life: 3 years From what I have read in the data sheets I have done the following considerations: 1) Dragonwave Horizon is nice but only if your site is well protected from sabotage and stealing. The all outdoor approach is nice but it has the drawback that if somebody takes the whole unit they will have a brand new unit working. With the IDU/ODU approach they will have only half of the banknote, so after the first or second time, they will not spend time having something useless. 2) Dragonwave Horizon can be a problem if you don't use fiber from the unit down to your switch. In few words, we have sites with huge amount or EM fields, so even using shielded cables (e.g. Belden 1300A) we get only few ethernet megabits. So we should use fiber to go up the tower, but maybe be IDU/ODU approach is more robust (comments welcome). 3) All outdoor means that when you have to re-use the devices somewhere else, you have to buy a whole new thing instead of just swapping the ODU. 4) In any case the (all outdoor or IDU/ODU) when the tower is frozen (and when I mean frozen I mean a whole block of ice) then it does not change much, you have to wait the better season to work on that. 5) Performances look more or less the same. 6) I don't know much about prices, I have looked on some website, I am still exploring this aspect 7) Is anybody using the software-switch capabilities on this devices or just using them as transparent bridges for your router/switch? Do you need to reset them often? Comments are welcome. Am I missing some other good brand? Thank you. -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz 60 Degree Horizontal Polarization SectorRecommendation
http://www.mars-antennas.com/item/279f6cf8acb2-47.html Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-0178 Direct 320-333-9448 Cellular 320-256-7555 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz 60 Degree Horizontal Polarization SectorRecommendation Does anyone know who makes a 900 MHz horizontally polarized 60-degree horizontal beamwidth moderate-to-high quality sector antenna? I can't seem to find any. Thanks in advance for any help. jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.
Eric, Does Alvarion have a -48 DC supply for BreezeNET B and VL? Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-0178 Direct 320-333-9448 Cellular 320-256-7555 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Albert Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments. FYI... Alvarion is shipping a DC power supply that supports all of the VL and BreezeNET B radios. The part number is 858554 and model number is the OPS-DC. It accepts 12-28VDC at 7A max and outputs 55VDC at 1A. It might help all of the brave souls that work off the grid. Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments. FYI we had a 11-28vDC input to 48vDC output unit made for the wind/solar power design: http://www.demarctech.com/store/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_34/product s_id/247 While there is some energy loss in the conversion the overall cost and quality of a 12vDC works out better than using a pure 48vDC when you consider one could use this design to power other non-48vDC systems. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments. I think Paul Gipe is a respected name in wind. I was looking at his site over the weekend, he has an older review of the Air-X, he seemed to think it should really be rated as a 200 watt generator. http://www.wind-works.org/articles/sm_AirXtest.html (I see the company has a newer model out now called the Air Breeze, rated at 200watts) He also links to another test site: http://www.detronics.net/ airx_report.pdfThey have another report that lists the advantages of running a combination of wind+solar to balance things out over the year. But I think this is highly variable, depending on an area's sunshine and windspeed. -- Lucaya has complicated things for me by requiring 48V on their new radios. (I was just going to run radios directly off 24V batteries) Does anyone know about the Powerstream PST-DC2448 (converts DC 24 - 48V) http://www.powerstream.com/dc12-48.htm Or suggestions on other reasonable ways to keep radios running for several days of no power? All my sites have grid power so far, I've decided that my best investment is in batteries. On March 18, at 11:32 AM March 18, Steve wrote: At 9500ft the air is pretty thin and you'll get maximum about 70% the rated output at comparable wind speeds. The curve is probably based on sea level air density. The plus side is that you may be in the clouds part of the time and enjoy some air laden with moisture. -- Travis Johnson wrote: I agree. Wind turbines really only produce about 50% of what they claim (even at full wind speed). You will need 4 or 6 of that size wind turbine to keep things running. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email
Re: [WISPA] Shielded Cat5
We pay less than 300 per spool. Boun @ CTI. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Sheilded Cat5 We usually use Belden 7919a for tower applications. It's good cable and has served us well. It is however a little pricey. Can anyone else recommend a good, shielded exterior grade cable for vertical work that is less than $325/spool? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] exofit tower xp
We use Midwest unlimited. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] exofit tower xp I am not aware of anyone on these lists that sale climbing gear, but I have a guy that I buy from in Tennessee that will absolutely take care of your needs. You know me (nuff said and I just leveled with Cliff years ago - told him I didn't know what I needed, but could tell him what I was doing. He fixed me up and educated me. They also have some outstanding catalogs! Ask for Cliff 1.800.327.4036 http://www.towergear.com/ Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Delp Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] exofit tower xp Not Sure, Mike On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone on this list sell these? Jim - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] spectrum analyzers
I would look at a anritsu. I am looking at the BTS Master. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CheifLabRat Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] spectrum analyzers What kind of 700 MHz backhauls do you use? How did you luck out with 700 MHz spectrum? They're not backhauls. We're running Airspan 700 and SOMA (near WiMax). We bought spectrum in the first auction and have been running it since then. As a geek in the middle of the woods, I can tell you, this is awful nice stuff to get. Answer to shoemakerp-Budget is whatever it takes to get the right thing, within reason, of course. - Original Message - From: CheifLabRat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: [WISPA] spectrum analyzers I work for a rural telco/isp doing more and more wireless all the time and have reached the point where we need a spectrum analyzer of our own. We've got two kinds of 700mhz, 5.8 backhauls, 11 ghz backhauls going in, and a big 1.9/2.1 project underway. Bet you guys have lots of good advice. Thanks in advance. Ned -- _ ChiefLabRat Thornapple Lab Back-Forty, Northwest Wisconsin Studying Networks and Security Since 1970 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT Wins Licenses to Airwaves
ATT will use the 700 Band for LTE, or/and MediaFlo. I highly doubt this stuff will sit idle. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT Wins Licenses to Airwaves 2.5 billion? Oh brother. Just what anyone needed. Now there will be even more spectrum with no services offered. And people are going to think, again, that they can just buy spectrum and make money from that. marlon - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] ATT Wins Licenses to Airwaves http://tinyurl.com/3c7pyr WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz recommendation
Get on the Alvarion Webinar next week, 900Mhz VL is coming. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 900 Mhz recommendation Im looking at 3 different 900 Mhz PTMTP systems - Trango, WR and Tranzeo. Im familiar with WR performance etc. Can anybody speak to Trango and Tranzeo? The Tranzeo cpe price point is pretty compelling. Ive heard that the new generation Tranzeo works much better than the original gear. Hit me off list if you care to share your thoughts. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] KGI
1500 app fee and monthly rate was not really that great. 800+ per month for 2 omni's and 2 2' dishes. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] KGI Anybody leasing from KGI? What should I expect - good, bad, give up my right arm etc? Thanks chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link
A DragonWave 18Ghz or Ceragon 18Ghz should do that just fine, BridgeWave 80Ghz may even be a solution. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Looking for short licensed link Hi all, I am looking for a licensed link to replace a fiber connection. I am currently paying for a 100meg fiber connection between two of my towers and would like to replace it with my own infrastructure. I own the towers on both sides, there is plenty of LOS and the link distance is 2.9 miles. The connection currently peaks out at about 30 meg, but I'm planning to put remote backup servers on the far side, so I'd like to be able to maintain 100meg speeds. I am interested in finding out what kind of radios people are using for this type of link. The fiber connection costs me $500/month, and I'd like to be able to pay for the link within 2.5 years, so that puts a $12-15K price range on it.Vendors, feel free to contact me off-list about this one. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sources
DFcco.com Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] sources Hi, Where is everyone buying their J-mounts for doing installs? I use about 100 per month and my previous source no longer carries them. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
I'm wondering the same thing, Chuck. It is such a good list, so many answers can be had. I am going to try and talk the boss man into paying for it, but I don't know if he will. It's really amazing what he will/wont spend money on... WISPA should create Vendor specific lists Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service WiMax is sure getting lots of press. Especially at CES. Funny, they are talking up the Sprint roll out but Sprint has bailed. Still smoke and mirrors compared to Canopy but I guess we might as well capitalize on the buzz. While blathering on here, a business mentor told me long ago to contribute to all candidates for local office, not just the one you like. I guess that applies to email lists as well. Not saying I don't like WISPA, just never have taken the time to participate. I believe I am a sponsor but on the home page I don't see any sponsor info. I may not be looking in the right space. In any event, I guess I will be on two lists now. Any bets on what is going to happen to the other list? - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service I didn't say we said we were WiMAX. I said : well, this is what we do we use microwave to reach you rather than use the telephone or cable company. And then I sometimes also say What we have been doing , going into our 10th year here, is what WiMAX is all about. Sometimes people actually ask about WiMAX, and we explain it to them, but it's not easily understood, the difference. Finding myself explaining about licensed and unlicensed spectrum and standards that aren't set is not an easy conversation, unless the person is technically savy. So I keep it simple. George Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: I guess as long as your over the air protocol conforms to 802.16 you can say you are WiMax. - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service I find myself referring to WiMAX when describing our service. We use the term broadband to describe our service. When asked to explain the difference between our broadband and the others, it's getting easy to say you have heard of WiMAX right? well this is what we do we use microwave to reach you rather than use the telephone or cable company. Now they think abit, and WiMAX and WiFi are similar sounding and most have heard the terms, so they sort of get it, but most importantly, they are very accepting of the technology. So I like WiMAX and I like finally hearing a name that describes and differentiates us from other technologies. George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
Do your radios have sub channelization? I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if stuff like this is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it is and isn't). I really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX based, but it definitely is not WiMAX. We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running 2.5Ghz and using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, just making a point. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Importance: Low Steve Stroh wrote: Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in the US because of the unique contention protocol requirements (systems for 3.65 GHz should be considered proprietary and quite possibly non-interoperable). The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a contention protocol requirement. However, if the radio implements contention then it won't be restricted to the lower 25Mhz. As of today, only WiMAX radios have been certified for 3.65Ghz. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [SPAM] [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service
Hmmm. I didn't know their was a profile for 3650.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [SPAM] [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service Importance: Low FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service And Provide the Atlanta Metro Market with New Wireless Offerings ATLANTA (January 9, 2008) - One Ring Networks announced today that it will be launching WiMAX service in the Atlanta Metro area using licensed spectrum it was recently granted. The grant which gives One Ring access to 50Mhz of spectrum between 3650Mhz and 3700Mhz has favorable propagation characteristics. WiMAX is a wireless technology which allows broad coverage with data-rich connectivity unlike Wi-Fi which is unlicensed and limited to small hot-spots. One Ring will couple this spectrum with WiMAX equipment to offer a wide array of wireless business offerings. By using the company's existing and extensive wireless infrastructure, the entire metropolitan Atlanta area and surrounding cities can expect to see new, economical, and innovative offerings as a result of the company's WiMAX network. One Ring has aggressive rollout plans that will bring WiMAX to all major Atlanta sub-markets in 2008. Additionally, the company has plans for a multi-market initiative to expand the reach of its services to businesses throughout select metropolitan markets. Our new WiMAX offering will allow us to provide Atlanta businesses with a whole new value proposition, said Matt Liotta, CEO of One Ring Networks. Businesses across metro Atlanta are increasingly discovering the limitations of T1s and the need for truly diverse telecommunication services. In the United States, an estimated 2 percent of buildings have access to fiber. That means 98% of businesses don't have any access alternative. As a fiber and fixed-wireless provider, One Ring now has the infrastructure to offer access solutions to both large and small businesses regardless of their proximity to fiber.Companies often struggle with business continuity issues related to their telecom infrastructure, said Kris Maher, Director of Sales for One Ring Networks. Most businesses can't afford a fiber build and are excited to learn about a wireless solution. One Ring's deployment of WiMAX technology will emerge as an alternative broadband solution for a range of business services where deployment of landline-based technologies is cost prohibitive. About One Ring Networks One Ring Networks operates one of the largest hybrid fiber-fixed wireless networks in the United States and is one of the few carriers offering end-to-end telecommunications and networking services that are truly diverse. Over its state-of-the-art network, One Ring offers high-speed data services and feature-rich IP phone services. For Press Inquiries, please contact: Suzanne Urash CRE8 Group, Inc. 813-649-8504 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ### WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Brian Webster does this. www.wirelessmapping.com He does a great job, and the price is well worth it. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralphlists Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Sure I will do it. Probably be Sat afternoon b4 I can though. Gotta do a router upgrade at one of our POPs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62N 84°14'55.80W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15N 84°11'37.26W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT......Question
I did basically the same thing a long time ago with Partition Magic and OSXL boot loader. I resized the Windows partition, created a small one for OSXL and used the remaining space for linux. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy 900 Cap
900Mhz can handle roughly 60-70 subs per AP. Now this all depends on the packages being offered, how much each sub uses their connection, etc. 2.4Ghz would be the best bet it have Line of sight to all the rooftops. Then you can run 100+ per AP. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirb Nesbitt Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:37 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 900 Cap Was hoping some one might comment on what the typical max subscriber loading per Canopy 900 Mhz AU might be, assuming a per sector loading, or a simple omni config. I have been asked by a friend to evaluate the local ISP's ability to service his new cottage development (350 lots) vs the option of building out his own network to service his residents and some additional planned development in the vicinity. Incumbent provider is running 900 Mhz Canopy (~6.5 miles to tower). Irrespective of the fact some of the coverage region comes up pretty iffy, particularly when trees are introduced amongst the cottage lots, my suspicion is there's going to be a need for additional infrastructure based solely on current capacity requirements (150 lots initially). Appreciate all comments, and thanks for all the great reading in the past (have been in R.O. for some time). Regards, Kirb Nesbitt, Bsc., VE6IV Nesbitt Engineering Services Inc (403) 774.9223 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: Tower Sway
I really don't think that one would meet the twist and sway requirements for rev G. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Tower Sway That's a very scary video. I don't see any torque arm brackets on the FBI tower nor does it appear that the tower itself is large enough to hold that many large antennas. As Jeromie observed, one of the guy wires has already snapped. It's only a matter of time before total collapse. jack Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Holy error rates Batman! LOL, even *I* know this isn't the way to build a tower for all of those big dishes. marlon - Original Message - From: Kris Kirby To: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Tower Sway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jP-5fdYQ5Y -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP
It does matter though. If the rules state that you can not do something, don't do it, it is really simple. I never read the rules, and never applied for one. The thing people need to understand is the FCC is probably the last person, next to the IRS, that you want watching you. The FCC knows what was going on, and they took notes I am sure, someday it could come to bite all of us in the but.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP As I remember the rules for the experimental license applications, it specifically says that they can't be used for commercial purposes. But it really doesn't matter, the FCC knew what was being done with the bands and wanted to see what would happen anyway. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Stroh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP An experimental license allows you to test systems, spectrum, or techniques that otherwise aren't normally allowed. I know of a number of service providers that used their 3650 experimental licenses for commercial service. As I understand it, commercial operations aren't DISALLOWED by the Part 5 experimental license rules. What those rules DO state is that the Part 5 license doesn't give you any special preference whatsoever when the FCC deems that the period of your experimental license is up... like it would be now that the 3650 rules are set and commercial service is commencing. Those experimental deployments that I heard about were PMP for backhaul and for access for business customers; I haven't heard of any 3650 residential deployments, though that would be feasible using 3.5 Fixed WiMAX CPE that has been updated for 3650 rules. It was kept pretty quiet, except with the vendors that were supplying experimentally compliant 3650 gear, but there were MANY larger Broadband Wireless Internet Access Service Providers who used experimental licenses similar to Covad's rationale quoted in Dylan Oliver's message. While all those deployments had to be similarly couched in yes, we acknowledge it's experimental... language, they all used such systems for commercial, revenue service... THAT was the experiment - to see if it was feasible, economical, and reliable. It worked; looks like 3650 will be quite the success, especially with the mandated coordination / non-interference between competing service providers in urban areas. Thanks, Steve On Nov 19, 2007 12:39 PM, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of that have using experimental licenses only got to test things such as propagation. We where not allowed to provide commercial services. Anyone who might have used their license incorrectly is certainly not going to admit to it on a public list. Therefore, your question cannot be answered. -Matt -- Steve Stroh Editor / Analyst, Stroh Publications LLC 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25 Here is the Protocol List. They must be able to match some sort of signature. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
If that is true, it would work. If you could match the handshake, you could track the connection form there. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I believe the initial request is unencrypted, then the communication goes encrypted. Don't ask me for details, but this is what I've heard. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
It's in the protocol list. I just read it before. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Probably...dang sales people! :-) I read over the brief, and I don't see any mention of encryption. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I suppose they want to track you for sales purposes.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Looks like you have to have a password Mike, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25 Here is the Protocol List. They must be able to match some sort of signature. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
See, I'm Not always crazy. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Doh! I see it now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures It's in the protocol list. I just read it before. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Probably...dang sales people! :-) I read over the brief, and I don't see any mention of encryption. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I suppose they want to track you for sales purposes.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Looks like you have to have a password Mike, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures http://www.allot.com/index.php?option=com_docmantask=doc_downloadgid=25 Here is the Protocol List. They must be able to match some sort of signature. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I'd be very interested in knowing how they do that. The point of encryption is to mask the traffic, so layer 7 packet inspection should not be able to tell what is there. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 3:44 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures I haven't specifically tested it, but they say that the Deep Packet Inspection engine will mark and rate limit Encrypted Peer 2 Peer traffic. I know my AC-802 does a very good job of marking and shaping traffic. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How does the Allot box handle the encrypted ptp traffic Mike? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Buy an Allot Box. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures How do you identify it if it is encrypted? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures Call Butch, We set ALL ptp traffic to share a single 128k connection. :-) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [WISPA] P2P Countermeasures To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all
RE: [WISPA] 3650
Yup, that's the one. Any idea if they are going to submit it for certification? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Maybe you are thinking of the AN-100, which does 3.4-3.6? http://www.redlinecommunications.com/products/AN100.html *AN-100* Award-winning Carrier-Class Backhaul Solution Redline's award-winning AN-100 is a scalable carrier-class broadband wireless solution for * point-to-point* and multipoint backhaul networks. On Nov 16, 2007 9:13 AM, Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't redline have a 3.5Ghz backhaul that would work in this band? Can't find it on the site anymore. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Now that P15 is reporting that 3650 is available, who all makes equipment for it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3650
Didn't redline have a 3.5Ghz backhaul that would work in this band? Can't find it on the site anymore. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Now that P15 is reporting that 3650 is available, who all makes equipment for it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] DC PoE
I think HyperLink has something like that. I looked at their reverse pinout model for canopy. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DC PoE Does anyone know of a PoE injector that will output 24 v (for RotuerBoards) and accepts a ~24 vDC input? Looking to add external batteries to an APC 1400 and then just tap the ~24 vDC right off the battery. Save some AC\DC conversions. I would also like to note that apparently the APC isn't a true 24v... one I have on my tower now is 27v. Would this be an issue? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Subscriber Module Mounts?
Tripods, and chimney mounts come from Ronard industries. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Brenton Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Subscriber Module Mounts? Guys, I'm nearing an operational state here, at long last. Now I'm looking at the fiddly-bits that I've overlooked or minimized for some time. It has occurred to me that you must have a preferred brand or style of mounts for subscriber gear. (FYI - all my gear will be Motorola Canopy) I've seen a few mounts that are basically a pipe hanger bracket and a hunk of tubing, while there are others that are much more along the lines of SatTV dish installs. Advise of any kind will be warmly welcomed. My selection criteria has and always will be, Maximum bang for minimum practical bucks. I see no future in buying stuff that will have to be replaced in a year or two. That's penny-wise and pound-foolish. Thanks to all in advance. -- Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband, LLC Bringing FAST InterNet to the Rest of Us! (sm) 3430 Highway 49 Dover TN 37058 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 931.232.0914 (office) 931.827.4181 (home) 931.627.1142 (cell - when not in cell-hell) Central Time WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Subscriber Module Mounts?
Winegard makes a 36 DSS Mount. We really like it. DS-3000 J PIPE MOUNT they call it, we get ours from DF Countryman. www.dfcco.com Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Brenton Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Subscriber Module Mounts? Guys, I'm nearing an operational state here, at long last. Now I'm looking at the fiddly-bits that I've overlooked or minimized for some time. It has occurred to me that you must have a preferred brand or style of mounts for subscriber gear. (FYI - all my gear will be Motorola Canopy) I've seen a few mounts that are basically a pipe hanger bracket and a hunk of tubing, while there are others that are much more along the lines of SatTV dish installs. Advise of any kind will be warmly welcomed. My selection criteria has and always will be, Maximum bang for minimum practical bucks. I see no future in buying stuff that will have to be replaced in a year or two. That's penny-wise and pound-foolish. Thanks to all in advance. -- Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband, LLC Bringing FAST InterNet to the Rest of Us! (sm) 3430 Highway 49 Dover TN 37058 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 931.232.0914 (office) 931.827.4181 (home) 931.627.1142 (cell - when not in cell-hell) Central Time WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities
2.5Mhz Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities Does anyone know what the MHz resolution of a canopy 2.4 CPE in SA mode? thanks, Ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Motorola...BURNED Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH ...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your access to multipack purchases. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped directly to you and the billing happens at that point. So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of the program and are purchased normally through your selected AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps (ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your VAR. The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions. It provides the same net capacity
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Ever notice the Software image is smaller on the AES than the DES also Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation Those are a couple things I really wish Canopy had. Why should the AP/AU transmit at full power to talk to an SM just down the block. Its RF polution. Also, why charge extra for AES when its a free protocol and its less CPU intensive then DES by design. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] LMR600 Vendor?
I got some from CTI. Didn't have the 90deg connector, but I'm sure that wouldnt be an issue. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] LMR600 Vendor? Gang, I am looking for some 15' LMR600 cables, N-type males both ends, one end 90°. Anyone know where to find them? Jason Wallace WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I'm looking at the same. I have an email in to Patrick, so we'll see what he has to say. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
I was talking Investment form Moto to CLWR. NextNet is 2Watts without Filters and 5 With. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? There specs said 36dbm ( 5 watts ) I thought On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I think it was 300Mil, not 5. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? All, Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology, which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and CPE. 4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE and I think around 10 watts on the base in power? ( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment ) - Jeff On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2.5 has great range penetration. ClearWire, as an example, had solid indoor coverage 2 miles away. I live in an apartment complex thats out of coverage area, and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre forest conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and still get 1Mbps... Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP models, unless you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1 replacement). We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own wireless network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum). On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and WiMax? I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means in a rural, tree filled environment. As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes with WiMax. - - -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
And trust me, they need filters with 2 watts. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? There specs said 36dbm ( 5 watts ) I thought On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I think it was 300Mil, not 5. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? All, Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology, which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and CPE. 4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE and I think around 10 watts on the base in power? ( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment ) - Jeff On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2.5 has great range penetration. ClearWire, as an example, had solid indoor coverage 2 miles away. I live in an apartment complex thats out of coverage area, and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre forest conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and still get 1Mbps... Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP models, unless you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1 replacement). We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own wireless network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum). On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and WiMax? I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means in a rural, tree filled environment. As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes with WiMax. - - -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
RE: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly to Northern Virginia
Nice, Like the Foundry BackboneAre you running Netiron's or FastIron's? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Hughes Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly to Northern Virginia 604 South King Street, Suite 200 Leesburg, VA 20175 703.554.6621 (FAX) 571.258.0003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ ROADSTARS NEW INET LOUDOUN WIRELESS BROADBAND SERVICE A ROCKET SHIP ULTRA-HIGH SPEED CONNECTIONS NOW AVAILABLE FOR LOUDOUN BUSINESSES! LEESBURG, VA (October 8, 2007) Marty Dougherty, CEO of Roadstar Internet, the areas largest Independently-owned Wireless Broadband Internet provider, announced today the company has successfully completed field trials of its new INET Loudoun service. He said that Roadstar began full-scale deployment of the wireless-fiber network recently and customers may now sign up for service in its OnNet designated buildings. Dougherty said Roadstar plans to connect hundreds of buildings to the INET Loudoun network within the next 18-24 months. John Wood, CEO of Loudoun County based Telos Corporation, one of the first INET Loudoun trial sites, said, Rather than calling it INet Loudoun, I think a better name is Rocket ship Loudoun. INET Loudoun service shatters all previous boundaries businesses faced obtaining real broadband connections. The new service offers ultra high-speed symmetrical connections for commercial, institutional and government use, Dougherty said. Roadstar's INET Loudoun offers fiber like connection speeds to these users hard-pressed to find any type of high capacity broadband connection options much less at a reasonable price. Dougherty predicts thats INET Loudoun service will radically change the playing field once dominated by wire-based providers. With todays announcement, Roadstar is offering INET Loudoun services that rival direct fiber links at T1 pricing levels. At the core of the INET Loudoun service offering is the latest in broadband wireless technology. Using GigE 80 Ghz licensed millimeter wave RF technology from Bridgewave Communications, Roadstar is now able to build multiple gigabit backbone network pipeswireless fiberwhich provide fiber-like connectivity speeds, but with the inherent cost and flexibility only available from wireless. Deploying wireless fiber means Roadstars INET Loudoun network will be build out in a fraction of the time it would take to construct a similar terrestrial-based fiber network. No digging or endless waits for permits and construction; in many cases customers can go from conception to online within days instead of weeks or months. Roadstar is one of the first ISP's in the nation to deploy GigE millimeter wave technology licensed by the Federal Communications Commission into the core of its network. Because of this, Loudoun businesses will be among the first in the nation to enjoy the results- high capacity connections for their business at reasonable prices. Since the companys beginnings in 2003, Roadstar Internets engineering staff has constantly researched and tested new equipment to determine the best use of available licensed and unlicensed equipment and spectrum to deliver dependable high capacity broadband to its customers. Roadstar also unveiled a new Web site at www.roadstarinternet.com and Dougherty said complete pricing information for all services could be found there. Additional information about Roadstar or the INET Loudoun Network is available at the company Web site at www.roadstarinternet.com or contact David Hughes, Director of Communications, at 703-234-9969 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Limited tours may be available of the new facilities. Roadstar Internet/INET Loudoun Fact Sheet What is different about Roadstars INET and all the other wireless services we hear about? Today, several wireless providers such as Roadstar Internet can provide users with T1-level service. There are more services coming, and the soon to be auctioned 700 MHz airwaves may bring additional providers for residential users. INET Loudoun service is radically different because it focuses on the needs of heavy users and businesses needing very dependable, high quality high capacity broadband connections. Company CEO Marty Dougherty said that by utilizing this technology, Roadstar can provide a T1 like service for significantly less expense then a standard wired T1 (1.5Meg) from an alternative provider. What we are really excited about is being able to offer you a 10-50 meg connection over the same network, he said. These lower costs mean the difference for a business considering whether to stay in or relocate into Loudoun County. For many high tech companies, a broadband internet
RE: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly toNorthern Virginia
NiceI've got all Fes and FESX's right now but working on a new plan for XMR's and MLX's. I want MPLS and BGP to ride across the OSPF backbone. Can I ask where you are getting them? We buy our foundry stuff from Goldfield Telecom. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Hughes Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly toNorthern Virginia Netirons. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly to Northern Virginia Nice, Like the Foundry BackboneAre you running Netiron's or FastIron's? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Hughes Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Roadstar brings fiber speeds wirelessly to Northern Virginia ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
NextNet is 2Watts standard, 5Watts with filters. Very noisy system too. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? All, Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology, which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and CPE. 4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE and I think around 10 watts on the base in power? ( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment ) - Jeff On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2.5 has great range penetration. ClearWire, as an example, had solid indoor coverage 2 miles away. I live in an apartment complex thats out of coverage area, and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre forest conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and still get 1Mbps... Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP models, unless you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1 replacement). We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own wireless network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum). On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and WiMax? I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means in a rural, tree filled environment. As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes with WiMax. -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php
RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
I think it was 300Mil, not 5. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? All, Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology, which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and CPE. 4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE and I think around 10 watts on the base in power? ( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment ) - Jeff On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2.5 has great range penetration. ClearWire, as an example, had solid indoor coverage 2 miles away. I live in an apartment complex thats out of coverage area, and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre forest conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and still get 1Mbps... Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP models, unless you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1 replacement). We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own wireless network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum). On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi and WiMax? I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means in a rural, tree filled environment. As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that changes with WiMax. -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
Ryan, Is that the same Link Jim had problems with every once in while after dark? We figured they must have been testing the new top secret aircraft.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the DFS info we have: Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 124 130 days Available 116 130 days Available 120 16 7.20 days Available Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events. ryan On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
I think he was talking 5.3 Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? A Fcc certification search gives no results for Tranzeo in 5.4 Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the DFS info we have: Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 124 130 days Available 116 130 days Available 120 16 7.20 days Available Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events. ryan On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
[WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.
I figured I would start a new thread for this. My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best way to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier 2's, or multiple tier 2's? Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really need? Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another provider. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Mike Hammett wrote: The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent. It has the same effect, but a different cause. Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al. -Matt -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.
Flex OC-3 Direct to the CO. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place. How many megs and where are you currently picking it up / getting it delivered? -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I figured I would start a new thread for this. My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best way to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier 2's, or multiple tier 2's? Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really need? Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another provider. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Mike Hammett wrote: The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent. It has the same effect, but a different cause. Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al. -Matt -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
Mr. Booher, Why in the Heck would someone pay WiMAX BST pricing if someone didn't want WiMAX? I realize that WiMAX QOS is great, but with the proper equipment QOS can be achieved. How many providers have you talked to less than 10, 20, 50? I can see a certain small number looking at it that way, but definitely not the masses. I would sure think that those providers would be better off putting the cash up to get Alvarion to make a 3.5Ghz VL product and have the software built to provide the desired QOS if it isn't good enough already. I would bet you could do that for the price of less than two or three 3 sector 4th order diversity WiMAX BST's. I think there are quite a few Operators who COULD have access to 2.5Ghz, but most don't have the Cash, or the timing has passed to get it. The 2.5Ghz profile is important because that is where Sprint and Clearwire are playing, so if you want the chance for a roaming agreement, or a buy out that's where you need to be. XHOM may be the big player, but I'll build a Carrier grade WiMAX Network, set it up for roaming, sell to my own subs, take a roaming agreement if I can get one (Which both Sprint and Clearwire KNOW They can't do this alone, too much ground to cover and too much money) and even if I don't I'll set up a daily rate and let their subs use my network. You say Airspan is shipping, but the questions are these: a. is it certified b. what spectrum can we really use it in, unlicensed if full of noise (Which WiMAX Hates), they ARE NOT SHIPPING 2.5GHZ (I talked the regional rep, he said maybe next year), 3650 is no where near ready for real deployment (Experimental Licenses don't count. No licensing system set up, no Certification standard, etc.) c. Who other than cell providers has 1.4Ghz? d. 2.3Ghz is just as small of provider market as 2.5Ghz. e. above 3700Mhz is mostly LOS, the power isn't there for indoor installs in the 5Ghz UNII/ISM Bands. Your best bet is to stop arguing, 802.16E is the future. Weather we all like it or not. Fixed Unlicensed will still have it's place, but why would I go with that when I can buy a Laptop with a built in WiMAX Chip and use my internet anywhere. Now if I am out of the WiMAX Are then Fixed Wireless from a WISP makes sense, but oh wait there are outdoor CPE, put a 24dbi grid on one of those puppies and see what you can punch through, then maybe I pay an extra $5 per month to have both my Laptop and the home CPE on the networkSee there are so many options. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the WISP of today, heck I work for one, owned one, and think they are doing great things the World not to mention their local areas. Technology chances, times change, and the future is inevitable. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum Patrick, I disagree, as most of the network operators, internationally that I have spoken with have stated that they currently have no interest in 802.16 and are just looking for standards based solutions that utilize 802.16a-2004 chipsets. They just want QOS capable, scalable, FIXED BROADBAND WIRELESS ACCESS. In the US there are very LIMITED # of providers than have access to licensed 2 ghz bands, so i don't understand clearly why the 2ghz profile would matter as much, since you literally have 2 players in that space, now actually one, xohm. not misleading fluff, Airspan for example is shipping TODAY 802.16-2004 compliant ( not wimax compliant, not that it matters considering there is no wimax interop for QOS, so really who cares anyways ) solutions in 1.4, 2.3, 2.5, 3.3-37, 5.4, 4.9, and 5.8ghz bands. - Jeff On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Jeff, That would be stretching to the extreme since the simple point of fact is that there is no WiMAX Forum profile for the AWS bands. No profile means no ecosystem. No ecosystem means no chips and no devices in scale or interoperability between suppliers. Folks, right now there is only one profile in WiMAX that matters and these are the ones based on 802.16e-2005 in 2.3, 2.5 and 3.5 GHz ranges. Those are the only bands for which the ecosystem is revolving and evolving right now. Other may be added at some point, but right now anything else is misleading fluff. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum Scriv, I know of 2 MFR's that are SHIPPING wimax in your band you hold licenses for. hit me offlist. tks, Jeff
RE: [WISPA] Netflix
What's the deal with cogent de-peering lately? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Anyone else having a problem viewing the images at netflix.com? All the images are coming up broken links The images on netflix.com are hosted by a CDN, which is why your connectivity to netflix.com itself has nothing to do with the images. By chance does your company or one of your upstreams use Cogent? If so, you may want to be aware that Cogent depeered Limelight and WV Fiber recently both of which are heavy content distributors. We are peered with both Limelight and WV Fiber. We pull a lot of traffic from them, so the move by Cogent caused some serious distribution. It also makes the experience of Cogent customers that much worse. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Netflix
I was just curious why cogent is depeering other carriers. Wasn't there something with Level3 awhile ago, now these two and I've hear some rumors of other too. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: What's the deal with cogent de-peering lately? Not sure what you are looking for outside of the depeers I already mentioned. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
I sure hope notThe price of a BST would double... Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum Hot industries generate tons of rumors, so this is just some degree of validation of just how hot this sector has become. And those companies that perform well become part of rumors. We have been doing very well and it has reflected in our stock more than doubling this year. Ergo, it is natural that our name becomes part of the rumor mill. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum Hey Patrick, any comment on the rumors that Cisco is looking to acquire Alvarion, Redline, or one of the other players for WiMAX? http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=134954 Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
RE: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls
I'd got the Pipe to Pipe Clamp route. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls Maybe something like this would work for you. It's not moved in years now... http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/P1010755.JPG Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Larger pole mount for Moto/Orthogon backhauls List, I'm trying to mount a Motorola PTP 400 series backhaul (Orthogon Gemini) on a pole that is just ever so slightly too large for the mount that is included in the box. Is a larger pole mount made for this radio or am I stuck having to get a set of pipe standoffs and mount a smaller pipe to the existing one? Patrick Shoemaker ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new localWiMAX service
I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over 6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at 50/50 downlink/uplink. I don't know how much more can say due to NDA's. So I better stop here. The point is I bet something wasn't right. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new localWiMAX service Hello Travis, Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it? grin I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card. Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only simply because they have the coverage. Why would someone signup for BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular provider data networks? Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas: Client Sprint BridgeMAXX Denver? Yes.Nope. Nashville? Yes.Nope. Boston? Yes.Nope. Wait, what was that again? Boston? Oh, nope. Vegas? Yes.YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage in Rexburg! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Brad, I received our modem from BridgeMAXX and tested on Thursday last week. We were located about 1 mile from their tower in Rexburg, Idaho. We had full signal (all lights on top of the modem) while indoor. We ran several speed tests to Salt Lake City and Seattle. We purchased their up to 2meg service and the speed tests (using Speedtest.net, which has been very accurate on our test cable connection and test DSL connection) showed an average of 300kbps download and 450kbps upload. This was during the middle of the day (when most people are probably not using the service). Loading web pages was almost painful however... espn.com took almost 15 seconds to completely load. :( Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: Kinda funny.the video says it delivered perfect service in the park while only pulling up about a third of the www.localnews8.com website over several seconds. Now compare that video to pulling up www.localnews8.com yourself. It leaves quite a bit to be desired when comparing broadband services. My Sprint Data card pulls up the website faster and works ANYWHERE I have Sprint service in the USA. Why would I choose a mobile broadband service that only works in a couple cities? Just another hyped story relating to a service that will over commit and underperform resulting in yet another black-eye for the wireless data industry. This reminds me of the Ricochet service I subscribed to years ago before they went belly up. Worked fair to ok in some areas, but was quickly overshadowed by the cellular industry guys who really know how to make mobile Internet work. Have to admit though it was a great plug for Alvarion! Best, Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new localWiMAX service Patrick, DBC purchased an existing company (Teton Wireless) that was using their 2.5ghz license for Television and internet service. They started 10 years ago with just TV and added internet about 3-4 years ago. So, technically they are not a start-up as they purchased an existing business and license. They also didn't raise money, but rather sold another business (cellular I believe) and used that money to buy this business. They are in the game for the short-haul, trying to get as many customers as possible with the full intent to sell it off. And I'm not sure I really need a lecture on the I can model... having started
[WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service
OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in 2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better insight here. I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios shine. Disclaimer: I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a proper backend. Mike Bushard, Jr 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX service Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they are doing a GREAT job... ;) Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to last week who tried it and said it was terribly slow... so it wasn't just by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or ATT, in which I can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using 2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the frequency that Intel will build into their chips? Travis Microserv Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing thisIE building chips to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over 6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at 50/50 downlink/uplink. I don't know how much more can say due to NDA's. So I better stop here. The point is I bet something wasn't right. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new localWiMAX service Hello Travis, Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it? grin I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card. Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only simply because they have the coverage. Why would someone signup for BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular provider data networks? Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas: Client Sprint BridgeMAXX Denver? Yes. Nope. Nashville? Yes. Nope. Boston? Yes. Nope. Wait, what was that again? Boston? Oh, nope. Vegas? Yes. YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage in Rexburg! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news
RE: [WISPA] IPTV
I would like to look at the bandwidth per channel your system would use. Around here there are multiple tv's per household, and very few are ever on the same channel. That is where I see the issue, even at 1 meg per feed X 3 STB's kills my 900Mhz Canopy AP. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV Not ready for prime time...? There's already several hundred thousand subscribers on IPTV platforms in the US alone, so I'm not sure what you're waiting for... what shortcomings are you seeing? The technology IS being deployed in prime time scenarios already (ATT, which is not known for being adventuresome with technology is the biggest, but not the only domestic example; internationally, it is being deployed much more widely). The main problem that WISPs face is that you may have to do some network overhauls to handle that sort of traffic... When you resell DirectTV (unless they have changed their model since 2005, which is the last I looked at their agreements), it is more of a referral/outsourced installation crew than reselling. It does let you offer triple play to a point, but (again, unless it's changed), you can't do single bill and you can't really generate any reoccuring revenue (which, as a service provider, is where your real profit tends to be) Although you do have increased costs in doing your own in terms of network buildout and so forth, you also effectively (if done right, profitably) subsidize the buildout of a better network It probably is not quite viable for ultra-rural WISPs because of really low densities and so forth. In areas with higher densities (definitely MDU), it is viable and deployable -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 9/10/07, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, but IMO just not quite ready for prime time . yet. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV IPTV is also the breaking of the traditional TV mold. You can offer thousands of channels from all kinds of different sources. It doesn't even have to be in the traditional channel format. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV Brad Belton wrote: We have (off and on) been looking for the same solution, however we came to a conclusion years ago. Why not just re-sell Direct TV or Dish? For a full channel line-up or in residential settings I would agree with you. However, in a MTU the ability to provide channels ala carte to multiple customers using IP provides different economics. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall
RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks
Talk to your local sales rep... Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Does anyone have some to send down? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts! ;-) ... ducking! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :) And I have plenty of old BreezeCOM shirts still. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks At 06:37 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed. Thanks Patrick. I trust all is going well with you. I hear you are now vice president. Great job! (I mean that both ways. You do a great job and have a great job) :) Our kids are all growing up! Your daughter must be what about 7 now. Am I close? Mine is 9 and still wears her oversized Mikrotik and Trango T-shirts! :ducking: LOL, She's still waiting for her Breezecom t-shirt.. ;) Allen ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
RE: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
We buy SuperMicro systems. They just seem to work. www.8anet.com
www.serversdirect.com www.aberdeeninc.com
We are looking at moving to a Sun or IBM Blade solution also. The biggest
advantage we see is the support, both companies have a full line of parts in
stock about 2hrs away. When uptime is your business, it can make sense to
pay for things like 24x7x365 4hr or less response time. If we were closer to
the parts depot I would even go to 2hr response. This is just something you
do not get when you buy parts from newegg.com. I cannot say enough for a
redundant system either, hot standbys with automatic failover is critical.
Like I said, uptime is your business, right?
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
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I agree get a server motherboard, both tyan and supermicro make good
server level boards (I prefer supermicro) they come with options for
ipmi management and other excellent features.
Ryan
On Aug 29, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
A Tyan or SuperMicro would make a better motherboard.
--Mike
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Hi Gang!
I'm finally, at long last building my Network Operations Center
and would love to hear recommendations from the brave
souls out there that build their own hardware.
I'm looking for recommendations for motherboards,
rack-mount case vendors, Rack vendors, etc.
I must admit I have a bias against Intel-based systems,
but would defer to experience supporting an Intel platform.
I will in every instance be running on flavor or another of Linux
for all my OS needs, should that have a bearing on the response.
My previous experience favors ASUS motherboards, and
good name-brand memory devices. I have lost faith in most
of the Disc Drive makers, however Shugart's 5 year warranty
is tempting me in their direction.
Any thoughts, comments, etc are welcomed.
If appropriate, you may contact me of list.
Dave Brenton
General Manager
Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband, LLC
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Dover TN 37058
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RE: [SPAM] RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts
http://www.metal-cable.com/ Look at the MagneMount. No idea what is costs, but it should work for you. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [SPAM] RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts Importance: Low I would not recommend welding on the tank portion of the water tower. It is my understanding they are coated and will be damaged by the heat. I have equipment on two different water towers and that was the info given on both. Fortunately I had other mounting solutions. There was a discussion a while back about this and a magnetic mount was suggested. Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Shivers Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:37 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts We are going to be mounting Panel Sector antennas to 2 Water Towers. One tower is ideal with a rail that has been designed for pipe mounting. The other is not so kind. It simply has a ladder up the side and over the top, no catwalk. We were thinking about using one of those 170 lbs. Water Tower mounts. This means we either have to get a welder up there to weld the plates or come up with an industrial epoxy solution. Any other ideas would be welcome. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 3.65 radio wish list
Aperto has had 3650 equipment available for testing since 05, nothing new here Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 radio wish list Gino Villarini wrote: Matt, What gear have you tested We were asked not to share any vendor information as part of our testing. However, one could always read the last update to our experimental license and see it was for use with Aperto equipment. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Cabling - RF Industries
We use their connectors, but use all Times for LMR. Our Pre-made Jumper come form PCS Tech. They sweep them to the freq we specify. Never had a issue yet, well that was caused by faulty materials anyway. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cabling - RF Industries We are currently working on improving our inventory and infrastructure. Currently we make a lot of our own cables, except for things like pigtails, but we are looking at switching to premade cables for radio to antenna jumpers and such. What do you think of cables and connectors from RF Industries? Has anyone had problems with them? How about good experiences? Thanks, Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?
I really dread IPv6.so much more complicated. I probably would run it, but from my understanding there is a ton of equipment on the internet backbone that won't route it. Not to mention how many SOHO routers and PC's are ready for it? Will your CPE support it? And the list goes on, I foresee a mad rush for upgrades and implementation the day v4 space is gone, and not a second before. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it? With the recent announcement by ARIN to start pushing IPv6 uptake, and the run out date of v4 is as soon as 2010, I was wondering is anyone are here using v6 in some form or planning the switchover? Since it is much more than renumbering customers, the needed time for deploying it will be much longer, is your infrastructure ready for it? http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070521-arin-its-time-to- migrate-to-ipv6.html Have a great evening, Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz
Greg used to be with DragonWave. I think that they a have a quality product. The fact that you can change the channel size is very nice. I really like my Orthogon radios, but definitely will look at exalt on my next 5.xGhz backhaul. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 5:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz Brett Bonomo and Greg VanDell of Exalt provided amazing pre-sales support when I inquired about their 4.9 GHz gear for an RFP a few weeks ago. Exalt takes the cake in 4.9 GHz because of high guaranteed throughput (up to 55 Mbps goodput with 20 MHz channel) and sync, which would allow many more than two links to be deployed from a central location. They can also do sub-millisecond latency (or up to 5 ms for maximum throughput) and have adjustable channel sizes - down to 5 MHz, I believe, with 1 MHz spacing - to help one fit into cluttered spectrum. All of these things apply to the 5.xtri-band product, except that it can do 13 Mbps (in 8 MHz) to 216 Mbps (in 64 MHz). The integrated tri-band radio/antenna looks like the most flexible option out there right now for shorter links where any of the three bands would work. On 5/7/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.exaltcom.com/ Anyone else heard of these guys? I'm guessing since bob is keeping up on them, they're worth keeping up on. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz Exalt real soon Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:46:23 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz Redline has a certified product released. Orthogon is about to have theirs out. Anyone else? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TTP
We are using VantagePoint. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TTP Has anyone spoken with any TTP for CALEA mediation boxes? After re-reading the Cisco CALEA compliance stuff today, (http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/04/calea-tpp.html) I'm beginning to think that you need a box that can massage the data dump and transport it to the LEA. According to Bearhill's webinar today (http://www.bearhill.com/webinars.html), being able to make th etap with compliant equipment is one thing, being able to extract the data and send it real-time to the LEA is another thing. I have a client who spoke with Apogee, who is basically re-using an SS8 box. Cost is about $800 per month. They do all the heavy lifting. I read a couple reviews of Solera. There box is about $7000. I don't know what Bearhill's solution costs. It depends on how many POP's I guess. So any input on TTP's ??? -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] What about equipment providers?
Where did you see that equipment must be CALEA Compliant? We chose Vantage Point for a TTP, and all they were concerned about was the network layout and how routing was handled. The need to know where to put taps and probes. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 6:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] What about equipment providers? If we're to take some of what's been published literally, all wisp equipment providers are going to be required to be CALEA compliant. This is going to lead to some serious compatibility and interoperability issues, if you ask me. HOW equipment maker A, B, and C accomplish stuff is likely going to be different. Thus, a network with mixed equipment may turn out to be almost impossible to put together completely. What about all of us who buy stuff from outside the US?What about the people who have large networks with now out of production equipment? Will CELEA COMPLIANT stickers now be required to get into the WISP business? I don't see anyone addressing this. Nor do I see anyone addressing community and free networks. While WISPA is definitely a WISP association, we're dead in the water if the WISP equipment providers dry up or go away, or we become stuck with one or two equipment providers, and all the compliant stuff is 50% more in price... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz
I think that 3' is small enough, 11Ghz fades in the rain pretty good, so I would think that you would only use 3' dish on links less than 5 Miles. Why now just run High power 18Ghz radios with 2' then? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC requests comment on smaller dishes for 11 GHz Not familiar with 11 GHz, but what speeds and distances are available with 11 GHz and is the license leasable in different areas? Dylan Oliver wrote: The statements by Adelstein (*http://tinyurl.com/2jyhdg) *and McDowell (* http://tinyurl.com/2jg3sx) *make it clear that FiberTower's petition is to allow 2' dishes. I'm unclear on minimum dish size, having heard 4' from this list, including a post by Charles Wu. But I just found a 2005 press release (*http://tinyurl.com/274wmy) *by RFS on the availability of a 3' dish meeting the FCC's standards for 10.7-11.7 GHz antennas. The only standard I've seen so far - Part 101 Sec. 101.115 Directional antennas (*http://tinyurl.com/37ummg*) - only specifies maximum beamwidth and minimum gain. If Part 101 talks about dish sizes elsewhere, please let me know. If Part 101 does not state dish size, then the petition boils down to a relaxation of beamwidth / gain concomitant to the characteristics of a 2' dish. Best, -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update
Please let us know what you end up doing to resolve the problem, we have wal-marts in 2 of our towns and we run 900. I'm sure it is coming Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Jean Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update Hello Everyone Wanted to update you on our walmart rfid problem.We spent hours on monday trying to talk to someone on their rfid deployment team,we finally made contact.We were informed that it used the whole spectrum,had to run at full power and used circular polarity.They stated they were operating within the legal limits and could not change anything to help with our interference problem.I ask if they could turn off their equipment for 30 days to give us a chance to relocate to a new site.They agreed to two weeks which suprised me.When they turned it off all of our links instantly went back to working including the one inside their store at the eye doctors office.We start looking for a new site and equipment to install on it.Well today walmart calls us and say they want to work with us on the problem and they are sending a engineer to this store to check for a possible rogue piece of equipment and possibly trying to place some type of schielding between them and us IF we will QUIT posting info about this problem on broadband reports forum.I am amazed that they changed their whole attitude because of a little bad pr.Maybe we will be able to find a solution to the problem now that they seem willing to cooperate.Again thanks to everone who offered their advice on the situation. Ray Hill surfmore.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Towerstream Miami
Isn't the Miami stuff VL??? I thought I heard that anyway. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Towerstream Miami Aperto and Alvarion. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towerstream Miami George Rogato wrote: What frequency is their wimax? 5.8Ghz Aperto equipment, so WiMAX may be a strong statement. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TTP Calea
www.subsentio.com is who we are working with. I know verisign is doing it also. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:17 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] TTP Calea Who does this calea TTP besides Intelleq? How is Wispa coming on Calea? Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it
I was told they switched to VL. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it Agreed. I bought a CPE once and it was a 30 day wait. They clearly didn't have funds to do production, and were looking for their clients to fund the production. I didn't know Towersteam dumped Aperto. What did they switch to? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] churn,double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it Yup Aperto PacetWave is a good product, But now that TowerStream and Freewire no longer uses it, no one seems to sell it, and the Company reps wont call you back, it really doesn't matter how good it was. If they won't sell you product... well the funds dry up. I have a sector of VL in the office, with 2 SU's and 10Mhz Channels pulling 15-16Mbps down and 13-14Mbps up 4 more Mhz than Aperto and 3-4 more Mbps I'll take that. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] churn, double play and why WLP is key - I finallyunderstand it I believe it can now be said without reservation, that if you are using unlicensed and wanting to implement a double play of VoIP + data, the ONLY product out there that can do it in scale and with toll quality is BreezeACCESS VL. Bzzz.. Wrong. Aperto supports toll quality voice of about 400 calls per sector, on 1/3 of the channel width that vl requires. Other than aperto though, I would agree with most of your sentiments. - Jeff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput
Never tried with a program, but link tests with 67/33 and hardware scheduling show 3.2Mbps down and 1.2Mbps up. On a mildly (30 Registered CPE) loaded AP we see 2.7Mbps down and 1.0Mbps up from various speed test sites. We have a OC-3 running about 60Mbps to the internet. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:35 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput Hi, those of you who use Canopy 900: what is the actual throughput you've gotten to the CPE? 4Mbps or less? Has anyone run a bandwidth test while passing traffic simultaneously in both directions (such as with Qcheck)? Thanks a lot. If you have adequate SNR to be able to associate at the higher modulation (2X), then you will get an aggregate of 4 Mb Regarding up vs down, that depends on how you set your ratios in Canopy (it's allocated on a percentage basis) Qcheck is a horrible program for accurately checking bandwidth, I would recommend you look into something that actually works like Iperf -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
The boss got one toady too. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court I got one also Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
I remember that from school Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Easy way to remember the color code is (this is really old days) Bell- Blue Operators-Orange Give-Green Bad- Brown Service- Slate While- White Running- Red Backwards- Black You- Yellow Vomit- Violet If you can remember that you can break down any cable- even the big ones with thousands of pairs... Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 telecom 25 pair color code tip White Red Black Yellow Violet ring Blue Orange Green Brown Slate so it would look like this... w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know if the slate pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated. If not, then you simply ignore that pair. Anyhow, for larger count cables. Each 25 pair group should be wrapped with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored binder string. The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown and slate accordingly. and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market?
Sure is NextNet, Both of us are in the same hut. The DC injectors say NextNet Wireless and so do the ODU's when I climb past them Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:40 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market? If they are using Nexnet gear... (which I think they are) , is not Wimax ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] anyone competing with ClearWire in their market? I was visiting Seattle, and spoke with one of their reps. Sounds like they bought up a bunch of university 2.5 2.6 G licenses inexpensively. Anyone have feedback on how well their wimax works in NLOS environments? Thanks - Marshall -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options
I can vouch for Dragon Wave. We have 2 11Ghz links, rock solid, Latency that rivals fiber. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options John Scrivner wrote: Wow! Business must be good! That depends on your perspective. We have a ton of orders and are racing to service them all. The more we install the more capacity upgrades we have to do meaning even more installs. This kind of growth is extremely challenging because if it isn't done correctly we can destroy the company. Look at licensed. I know that is obvious but I think it is the only way short of bonding Orthogons together. I thought the max distance for 70 GHz gbps radios was about 7 miles. It has been a while since I read the specs. I am sure the rain fade would be an issue here. There is actually much less attenuation of 70 GHz than there is at 60 GHz. There is a spike of absorption of 60 GHz where water molecules eat that signal. It gets better above 60 GHz. I believe that you can go through the air better with as high as 100 GHz than what you can with 60 GHz. Obviously there are other licensed options in lower frequency space as well. I know Charles has some experience running licensed high capacity backhaul. Charles, what do you run for backhaul over 100 mbps FDX? Licensed doesn't make a lot of sense for us. We simply don't have the ability to predict where are growth is coming from. We routinely upgrade existing backhauls and/or reconnect our POPs together in different ways to increase our capacity and redundancy. With licensed we are forced to have a static configuration. I thought 24 GHz unlicensed had limited bandspace which made the top end about 100 mbps FDX? DragonWave seems to have a 24Ghz unlicensed product that can do 200Mbps full duplex. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy 8.1 firmware
Be careful, I ran 8.1.4 on one tower for a week with no issues. I then proceeded to run it on 6 more towers for 2 weeks, no problems. But when I did the last 8 towers we had our highest number of tech calls since our mail server crashed. SM Ethernet ports would just lock up (RF interface was still accessible), customers with no problems started forming thousands of session per day. Just a real bad deal, mind you it did fix some problems, but it wasn't worth it so we rolled back to 7.3.6. That was another headache. A little birdie told me to NOT run 8.1.4 or 8.1.5 and wait for 8.1.6. Take it as you choose. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 8.1 firmware For those of you running Canopy, we recently upgraded some of radios to the latest firmware. We did this because of the continuing Ethernet problems we were having with them. I am happy to report the new firm does indeed fix the Ethernet negotiation issues mentioned in the release notes. We have been happy with the radios we have upgraded thus far and we are now planning an upgrade cycle for our entire network. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!?
Funny you mention that, But you are right. We are located on a tower with a 2.4 WM and a 5ghz WM. We put our stuff up, ran the SA and went holy S***. We were able to move around them. But I forgot about them when I moved some channels around, and sure enough about 3 months later I was taking to the area tech and I asked how everything was working... They never could figure out why their t-1 radios kept dropping until I asked what channels they were running. Canopy gave them some problems, but we never saw anything. So now I have those channels blocked out.. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!? Not that this is a good practice...but Wmux radios are extremely sensative to interference on the Rx size (a wiff of anything takes it down) Figure out the Tx/Rx spread (may be 5.3 GHz on that particular site), and shut them down on the Rx side -- maybe then they'll talk =) -Charles P.S. -- if it's a short range shot, they can probably go licensed now for the same price as unlicensed, and they'd get out of your hair completely --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Ireton Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 9:28 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What the heck chews up 100mhz of 5.8ghz?!? Marlon K. Schafer wrote: yeppers. something like that. Triangulate in on where it's coming from and ask the folks that own the structure the antenna is on. It might be cheaper to pay them to change polarities than it is to reset your plan. I think the concensus - western multiplex - makes sense. And probbly a cell carrier. I do totally understand legacy equipment and such, but dammit I could get a few hundred mbps out of that same chunk and have channel space left over... but again that's using moden equipment. I know I probbly have zero chance of sucess, but would anyone think (provided I can find the operator) that we could work something out - either like a polarity change as marlon suggested, or just buy them some more spectrally effecient gear...? I understand they may need to have an actual T1 electrical interface, but there are a few players that can actually do this job with much much less spectrum. I know of ceragon and their fiberair, as well as redline can do this. I've never heard of a deal like this but it would be helpful. Otherwise I'm going to have to change plans and that's gonna be a little expensive. Sort of wish I'd done an SA first but it's in the middle of nowhere and I just assumed based on past experience it wasn't going to be a problem... WRONG! Mike- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 antenna question
I personally dont run 180's, so I dont know. I think we get our 120's for about 700. We get ours from CTI. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 antenna question Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: Why dont you just get these? MT-243015/NH - 902-928 MHz 11dBi 180° Horizontal Pol. Who do you buy them from and how much? It's made by MTI, the same brand as the Teltronics. We run MTI 120's for all of our Horizontal towers (17 of these antennas deployed total right now). The mount scared me a little though, it is a Cast V (Same style as the Orthogon Radios) and then you secure it with hose clamps. It seems to work well thought. I think the down tilt gauge is kinda cheesy, so we bought a incli-meter from the local tower crew. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 antenna question I don't know but until now the best 180* antenna I can find is the 8dbi from superpass (which I installed today and were crap). This one looks nice. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Looks to me like it's about 5db off at 180 degrees. What's the price on this antenna? Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.teletronics.com/15-404.pdf What would the gain at 180* be on this antenna. I want to make sure I am reading it right. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900 antenna question
Why dont you just get these? MT-243015/NH - 902-928 MHz 11dBi 180° Horizontal Pol. It's made by MTI, the same brand as the Teltronics. We run MTI 120's for all of our Horizontal towers (17 of these antennas deployed total right now). The mount scared me a little though, it is a Cast V (Same style as the Orthogon Radios) and then you secure it with hose clamps. It seems to work well thought. I think the down tilt gauge is kinda cheesy, so we bought a incli-meter from the local tower crew. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 antenna question I don't know but until now the best 180* antenna I can find is the 8dbi from superpass (which I installed today and were crap). This one looks nice. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Looks to me like it's about 5db off at 180 degrees. What's the price on this antenna? Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.teletronics.com/15-404.pdf What would the gain at 180* be on this antenna. I want to make sure I am reading it right. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] on call staff
We run Friday at 5:30 to Friday at 5:30. We pay $75 per week, plus over time if they have to go out on a call. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] on call staff How do the rest of you compensate tech staff for on call duties? We have an on call tech that monitors network remotely throughout weekend and is responsible for rolling to tower/major customer in case of outage. Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS
I looked at GCI Capital, but realized leasing just did not fit us, they we really nice and were willing to lease just about anything. http://www.gcicapital.com I was working with Terri Fosberg. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS The paid services look pretty good. I'm checking them out now. I've looked at other 3rd party tech support companies but they all seem to have to adapt to WISP support. This is a WISP that knows WISP needs. When I talked with the guy he had most of the right answers to my questions. They will send you 2 servers to put at your main POP. The two servers load share and fail over. The servers are in-line on your network but parallel to each other at your POP. Your customer traffic goes through them...they each split up the load of CPEs they manage and if one goes down the other takes on all traffic from all CPEs. The servers do bandwidth management (I think it's limited now in that it cannot do traffic-type-shaping...just mainly up/down speeds on different CPE service type profiles). They do DHCP, NMS, alerting, etc. Their level 1 tech support: - will take phone calls from your customers (currently they have a 12-hour shift but he said they were expanding their level 1 support hours). - will help your customers with their routers, their firewall software, their e-mail program, their e-mail password - will provision a radio on your system and set up a customer record - will help you over the phone to allow you to have one guy out there aiming an antenna at the AP getting feedback on bidirectional SNR, packet loss/retransmission, etc - will help you over the phone if you're on top of a tower putting on a connector and asking How's that working now? Their NOC support: - responds to alarms and checks a protocol to see if you want to be woken up at 2 in the morning for such an alarm (7/24) - watches performance of backhauls Their billing system is free for you to use and integrates with the customer service side of the database. If you have your own merchant account for billing via credit card, it will do that free of charge. If you want to use their merchant account, there are fees. You can even set it up so that your customers can pay by check but you never have to handle the checks (with fees, of course, as this will take labor). I'm on the upper end of their 250-CPE mark and will pay $250 per month with (most likely) no $$$ up front. Then I will pay $500 per month for the 251st-500th CPEs. I am going to try this out on a 1-year contract. It's worth that much to me just to see if it will work out for my situation. I think that if it is a good service, then it will be a good option for some small WISPs. It is clear to me that if my business will keep growing, it will grow out of a service like this. This may buy me some time and get me over that hump, though. p.s. I haven't talked with them about their CPE lease option but I plan to. I'm also talking to other leasing companies about leasing CPE. Anyone out there have opinions on leasing companies? (I chose my words carefully there about not starting a debate on whether or not to lease CPE.) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS And then there are all the paid services. http://www.dboss-online.com/ read the pdf prices on page 22, but I emailed them and they said the prices are changing. More like $250.00 a month for 0 - 250 customers (bundled services) http://www.dboss-online.com/wisp_services.pdf Pretty neat services they offer. I'm not technical enough to do it all on my own, this looks ok. Give me some input here. Are all these services needed? How does the value look? Brian Rohrbacher -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Are these good or bad Alvarion VL statistics...
Good old Oldsmobile. My dad had a 442, man was it nice. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are these good or bad Alvarion VL statistics... - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:14 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Are these good or bad Alvarion VL statistics... Hello David, Great tip on the 4-4-1. What does the 4-4-2 mean? +++ 4 barrel carb 4 speed tranny dual exhaust Any car guy should know that! grin marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Legal insight? - OTARD VS Property Managers
When I read the otard rules it seems to me that they CAN stop you from mounting on the roof. The only place you could mount was tenant exclusive areas. Basically the balcony attached to the apartment. I hope I misread it though. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal insight? - OTARD VS Property Managers Marlon, Just curious, have you ever had to force this issue with property management? I imagine this could be a difficult fight to win for a WISP. What happens at the end of the day when the Property Manager tells the WISP to shove off? Legal action? For what, potential lost subscribers? - Can property managers prevent my subscribers from having an externally mounted antenna? mks: No. OTARD covers wisps too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal insight? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Legal insight? This outta be a fun and interesting thread: mks: You are one mean drunk, Superman! As it relates to this space, rate the following 1-10 (1 being high priority and 10 being I could care a less) in terms of important if you could bend the mind of top legal experts to get an opinion. Add other questions you like answered in your reply. mks: I guess I'm a bit confused. Those are not really 1 thru 10 type questions. Those are questions begging answers. I'll try to do both though. Comment or add to this list: - What good is Form 477 mks: It's the ONLY official head count of broadband customers. 1 and do we really need to file it? mks: Absolutely. Without known customers we have NO value in the food chain. The more customers we have the more power we have. 1 - Does CALEA affect me? mks: Still trying to figure that one out. I've got a note in to the FCC for some clarification on this issue. 3 How? When? How do I solve it without it costing an arm and a leg? mks: Not only that, but it is really any of MY buisiness what my customers do on the net? If someone thinks there's a problem with a customer, come to me with a search warrent and the needed tools for the search (just like you would come to my house) and have fun. No one is going to want everything they've ever done on the internet saved forever. That's the kind of silly crap that the Nazis and Soviets did. Look where it got them. 2 - What's the real risk, if any, of not using certified systems? mks: Realistically? Little or no risk. Although, under the rules changes from 2005 it's pretty hard to be out of certification these days. Power levels, that's a whole nother issue though. Gotta pay attention to them! 5 - What does it mean to have a certified system in the first place? mks: It means that ALL of your radio gear, clear down to the cable level, has made it past the FCC and is certified to work within certain parameters. Note: I did NOT say work as advertized :-). 8 - Don't the revised rules allow me to make the choice about what base station antennas I wish to use? mks: Yes. 3 - How is 3650 coming along and how do it look like it will shape up? mks: Great question. I sure wish I could get something out of the FCC. Sinces it's an issue on the table at this time they won't talk to me. Will they change the rules that they put out for us last year? I hope not. 1 - Does the FCC really read comments I file on anything? mks: Yes. Even the late filings. 3 How important (and difficult) is it for me to officially voice my comments? mks: Within WISPA it's easy. When we find out about issues that mater to the industry we file on the issue. We also point out EXACTLY how our membership can also file on the issue. EVERYTHING that the FCC does, rules wise, comes from the written reccord. If you don't voice your thoughts they CAN'T legally act on them. And it has to be in writing, you can't just call in and tell them what you want them to do. 3 - What the deal with the TV bands? mks: I'm loosing hope on this one. The broadcasters are very powerful. And they seem to be willing to pull out all of the stops on this. Clear down to a 60 Minutes exploding gas tank version of the truth. And because we, as an industry, aren't good at filling out our 477s we're not even give pimple on the but status these days. The current chairman at the FCC has turned out to be far less of a fan of the entrepenure than Powell was and that's not gonna help either. 1+ - Are there realistic options for WISPs to get licensed bands? mks: Not at this time. I know
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
If you are buying all new hardware (P9) it will all do 2X rate (14Mbps). We run Advantage AP's and Legacy SM's, here's why: With the Advantage AP you it will fun full 2X 14Mbps all the time. Legacy SM's will run Full 2x Rate for the duration of the burst setting in the SM, alter the Burt bucket is expended it will rate limit itself to a max 7Mbps, Still run in 2x rate but it limits the Ethernet port throughput. It is kind of confusing at first. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon So the AP will deliver 14Mbps of bandwidth even if all the SM's are only running at 1x rate? Travis Microserv Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: Run Advantage AP's and Legacy SM's. With the Advantage AP's and legacy SM's you get the Latency, and High Priority Channel all the time, and can burst to full 2X Rate. If you need the full 2x Rate Sustained, buy an Advantage SM. To answer your question, yes the Advantage AP will deliver the full 14Mb Aggregate. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Another quick question... If you are running a Canopy Advantage AP and you use regular Canopy SM's, can the AP still deliver the 14Mbps of bandwidth, or will it be limited to 7Mbps (like the SM's)? Trying to decide if I want to use Advantage SM's or just regular? Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote: Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has traditionally understated there spec sheets. The GPS is what sets the timing for the AP's. The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all SM's registered to them. So how it works is that all AP's on channel 1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same time. Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and AP to a BH or AP. The lag that is introduced by having to transmit that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is the only time that distance can come into play. The application this is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower. /SM GPS --AP#1 / \ \SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#2 --SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#3 (this AP will be out of sync with AP#1) Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to propagate the timing signal. But if you put a GPS sync generating device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough timing with AP#2 that they all would get along. One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost of the GPS synchronizing items. Also again as for the distance statement. 6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced. believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6 away from it. The two AP's that are back to back share the same channel so that when they transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other. The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without self interference. If long range rural deployments are the plan then GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the same equipment and configuration in the area. So a Moto advantage cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP bandwidth available to it. If more is needed you can place the towers with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same tower. I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a little late in the night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over the phone and explain it. Send me an email to anthonyw (at) broadband-mn.com and Ill give you my cell phone number or give you a call. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, First, the spec
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
So everything will be Advantage I wont complain. I wonder if the AP prices will drop then? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Fowler Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:53 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon I was told a couple of days ago that the regular SMs are going away soon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon You can have the cake and eat it too!! Advantage AP to Classic SM can achieve 14 mbps to the Classic SM, not sustained, only burstable. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)
I have a few phone numbers. The tech support has gotten better, but I only call them with Prizm/BAM problems. I really don't know that they have a Patrick but the area rep is helpful. He has always gotten me to the right person. Mike Rosedale Cell 847.722.1047 Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon) Partial hijack here. On a related subject, is there anyone at Motorola that is really good with WISPs. Someone who I can call and talk to as a Canopy user. Not a script reader. I admit I have never called them. I rely on vendors, and other WISPs for all Canopy related info and support. Moto is so big, I'm scared that I'd get the hold music for an hour and them some dude that I can't understand..Ok..what I want to know is what moto # do I call to talk to their Patrick Leary. :)*Patrick suddenly feels warm and fuzzy inside...* So I guess this isn't too much of a hijack. :) How do we contact their Patrick. After we know that we can talk to him about joining. Brian Dylan Oliver wrote: On 9/28/06, *Rick Harnish* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we can get Motorola to become a WISPA vendor member, we will gladly start a list here without those restrictions. How has Motorola been approached? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
Run Advantage AP's and Legacy SM's. With the Advantage AP's and legacy SM's you get the Latency, and High Priority Channel all the time, and can burst to full 2X Rate. If you need the full 2x Rate Sustained, buy an Advantage SM. To answer your question, yes the Advantage AP will deliver the full 14Mb Aggregate. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Another quick question... If you are running a Canopy Advantage AP and you use regular Canopy SM's, can the AP still deliver the 14Mbps of bandwidth, or will it be limited to 7Mbps (like the SM's)? Trying to decide if I want to use Advantage SM's or just regular? Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote: Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has traditionally understated there spec sheets. The GPS is what sets the timing for the AP's. The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all SM's registered to them. So how it works is that all AP's on channel 1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same time. Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and AP to a BH or AP. The lag that is introduced by having to transmit that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is the only time that distance can come into play. The application this is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower. /SM GPS --AP#1 / \ \SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#2 --SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#3 (this AP will be out of sync with AP#1) Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to propagate the timing signal. But if you put a GPS sync generating device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough timing with AP#2 that they all would get along. One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost of the GPS synchronizing items. Also again as for the distance statement. 6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced. believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6 away from it. The two AP's that are back to back share the same channel so that when they transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other. The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without self interference. If long range rural deployments are the plan then GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the same equipment and configuration in the area. So a Moto advantage cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP bandwidth available to it. If more is needed you can place the towers with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same tower. I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a little late in the night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over the phone and explain it. Send me an email to anthonyw (at) broadband-mn.com and Ill give you my cell phone number or give you a call. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI. What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, causing self-interference, correct? Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote: Answers in-line Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can compare for myself... Trango 2.4ghz: 5Mbps auto ratio 8 non-overlapping channels 10mhz spectrum per channel -90 Receive level 15 mile range (without a grid) External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna $879 AP (WISP price) $479 SU (WISP price) Canopy 2.4ghz (regular): 7Mbps fixed ratio 3 non-overlapping channels 20mhz spectrum per channel -86 Receive level 2.4 canopy has a -89 receive level 5 mile
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
Here is a crude picture of one of our areas. Aside from the one site everything works great. 18 Canopy 900 Sectors in a 6 mile radius. Plus 2 Vertical that are not in the image. Need less to say that town is pretty well smoked. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Will Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has traditionally understated there spec sheets. The GPS is what sets the timing for the AP's. The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all SM's registered to them. So how it works is that all AP's on channel 1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same time. Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and AP to a BH or AP. The lag that is introduced by having to transmit that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is the only time that distance can come into play. The application this is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower. /SM GPS --AP#1 / \ \SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#2 --SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#3 (this AP will be out of sync with AP#1) Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to propagate the timing signal. But if you put a GPS sync generating device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough timing with AP#2 that they all would get along. One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost of the GPS synchronizing items. Also again as for the distance statement. 6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced. believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6 away from it. The two AP's that are back to back share the same channel so that when they transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other. The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without self interference. If long range rural deployments are the plan then GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the same equipment and configuration in the area. So a Moto advantage cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP bandwidth available to it. If more is needed you can place the towers with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same tower. I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a little late in the night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over the phone and explain it. Send me an email to anthonyw (at) broadband-mn.com and Ill give you my cell phone number or give you a call. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI. What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, causing self-interference, correct? Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote: Answers in-line Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can compare for myself... Trango 2.4ghz: 5Mbps auto ratio 8 non-overlapping channels 10mhz spectrum per channel -90 Receive level 15 mile range (without a grid) External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna $879 AP (WISP price) $479 SU (WISP price) Canopy 2.4ghz (regular): 7Mbps fixed ratio 3 non-overlapping channels 20mhz spectrum per channel -86 Receive level 2.4 canopy has a -89 receive level 5 mile range (without a dish) $902 AP (reseller price online) $490 SU (reseller price online) I am guessing your quoting single prices here. Now that maybe viable for this discussion but realistically if a WISP is not financially able to purchase in 25 packs they likely are very underfunded. So that the information is available a 25 pack of the Classic 2.4 ghz Canopy units is $6709 so if you break that down to single price that is about
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
We have never saw a problem with 2.4 self interfering. Only 900Mhz, and that is easily fixed. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Hi, First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI. What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, causing self-interference, correct? Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote: Answers in-line Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can compare for myself.. Trango 2.4ghz: 5Mbps auto ratio 8 non-overlapping channels 10mhz spectrum per channel -90 Receive level 15 mile range (without a grid) External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna $879 AP (WISP price) $479 SU (WISP price) Canopy 2.4ghz (regular): 7Mbps fixed ratio 3 non-overlapping channels 20mhz spectrum per channel -86 Receive level 2.4 canopy has a -89 receive level 5 mile range (without a dish) $902 AP (reseller price online) $490 SU (reseller price online) I am guessing your quoting single prices here. Now that maybe viable for this discussion but realistically if a WISP is not financially able to purchase in 25 packs they likely are very underfunded. So that the information is available a 25 pack of the Classic 2.4 ghz Canopy units is $6709 so if you break that down to single price that is about $269ea + $50 for reflector for a total of $319ea. http://www.doubleradius.com It is possible to get them cheaper then this but you will have to deal with co-op's or ebay.com Also I would never install a unit with a 60* pattern (Trango or Canopy). Just include the$50 for a reflector or stinger from http://www.wirelessbehive.com Based on the information from Mike, I could not use Canopy. In several areas, I have 4-5 towers located within 5 miles of each other how do I do that with Canopy? With Trango, I use a different channel for the sector pointing toward another tower (frequency planning and coordination is very important) and everything works great. Is there a solution for this with Canopy? This is where GPS sync comes in. You can point two different tower locations on the same frequency at each other and they will not interfere with each other. This is how it is possible to do a 6 AP cluster on one tower with only 3 non overlapping channels. Also, by using only a 10mhz spectrum per channel, Trango's channel 1 and channel 8 are actually outside the reach of Canopy and 802.11 (for the most part) and thus can almost always be used in a noisy environment. Remember with Canopy you generally don't have to avoid interference. Find the cleanest channel and 90% of the time you will be the few db louder then the noise that you need to make a viable link. Anthony Will Broadband Corp Travis Microserv Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: Well, so far as we can tell the only thing that can kill canopy, IS CANOPY. We have put it up against WaveRider, Alvarion, and 802.11b. They all fell of the face of the earth. We have 16 tower sites deployed, all 900Mhz and 2.4, over 1000 CPE and more on the way. (I realize there are many people bigger than us.) We use a mix of MTI Omni's, MTI or Tiltek 120deg Sectors (MTI for Horizontal and Tiltek for Vertical) and integrated 60deg sectors (I really wish someone would come out with a descent H-pol as I don't like the integrated antenna) with 900. Cyclone Omni's or 120deg sectors on 2.4. Here is what I have found with GPS Sourced Sync vs. Generate Sync: If you want channel reuse you need GPS sourced sync. If you have a tower more than 8 miles away, you need to use different channels no matter what, even with GPS sourced sync you still have speed of light issues from tower to tower. Can you Generate sync and deploy multiple AP's in a given area, yes. You just need to make sure you have Frequency separation. Does this mean I recommend it, NO. Also even with every site GPS Synced, you still can only put so many AP's in a given area be for you need to go to a different polarity. At least we know there will never be another 900Mhz based ISP in one of our towns. Also on a side note, I have never found a problem with 2.4, it is 900 that will give you problems, it just carries so far. If the noise floor was lower, and Canopy could run at -90 we would have coverage for a long ways. It seems like we can always pick up a AP at -80. YMMV. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
Well, so far as we can tell the only thing that can kill canopy, IS CANOPY. We have put it up against WaveRider, Alvarion, and 802.11b. They all fell of the face of the earth. We have 16 tower sites deployed, all 900Mhz and 2.4, over 1000 CPE and more on the way. (I realize there are many people bigger than us.) We use a mix of MTI Omni's, MTI or Tiltek 120deg Sectors (MTI for Horizontal and Tiltek for Vertical) and integrated 60deg sectors (I really wish someone would come out with a descent H-pol as I don't like the integrated antenna) with 900. Cyclone Omni's or 120deg sectors on 2.4. Here is what I have found with GPS Sourced Sync vs. Generate Sync: If you want channel reuse you need GPS sourced sync. If you have a tower more than 8 miles away, you need to use different channels no matter what, even with GPS sourced sync you still have speed of light issues from tower to tower. Can you Generate sync and deploy multiple AP's in a given area, yes. You just need to make sure you have Frequency separation. Does this mean I recommend it, NO. Also even with every site GPS Synced, you still can only put so many AP's in a given area be for you need to go to a different polarity. At least we know there will never be another 900Mhz based ISP in one of our towns. Also on a side note, I have never found a problem with 2.4, it is 900 that will give you problems, it just carries so far. If the noise floor was lower, and Canopy could run at -90 we would have coverage for a long ways. It seems like we can always pick up a AP at -80. YMMV. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Patrick Leary wrote: I'm speaking about multipoint matt, not ptp. The dedicated ptp you are doing is by far the exception. Canopy is designed, built, and sold to be primarily a pmp system. I've never met or heard of a Canopy pmp network of any scale that did not require GPS. I'd be interested in further explanation on this topic. We have some Canopy pmp and haven't found the lack of GPS a problem. Granted we don't have a large amount of pmp, but I would certainly like to understand any future pain before we experience it. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 300Mbps Wireless
Our Spectra Lites are adaptive timeslots, if thats the right term. If you run the link calc it will give you a Max throughput in either direction: 146.50 114.26 99.9% 0.06 All I can say is make damn sure you set the noise floor, it makes a huge difference with these radios. Answer your question Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 300Mbps Wireless Just visiting www.orthogonsystems.com to see if Spectra will do 2:1 Master:Slave asymmetric throughput like the Gemini (Spectra won't) .. I see the Gemini and Spectra have been rebranded as the PTP 400 and PTP 600, respectively. What stupid names! I hope to god they don't screw up the hardware as they're doing to the brand. Who wants to talk about a PTP-600? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [isp-wireless] Sector Antenna's I want the Best!
Testing mail server. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [isp-wireless] Sector Antenna's I want the Best! I thought some here my get some use out of this thread. Hope it helps, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] Sector Antenna's I want the Best! David, as usual, great thoughts. Let me add a bit here on the but what should *I* do??? side of things. I have both omni and sector solutions on the air. I have both non amped and amped of both. Let me show you how/where I get to each option. Very rural, few customers likely in the first 18 to 24 months. The AVERAGE ap out there will service from 75 to 100 subs jut fine as long as you don't have many hogs. So in a case where I'll likely have less than 50 users I'll go with an amplified omni unless the geography is such that there's just no way to get more than a few miles of service out to people. Down town where there are a few companies in the shadows of my main wpops I may put in an omni. Low gain so that coverage only extends a few blocks etc. I have some sites on hill sides that overlook many hundreds of houses. Very stiff competition so there number of customers isn't really an issue. Spectrum issues are though. There are at least 4 other wisps on the hill, one of whom is both stupid and mean. You know the type, never met an amp he didn't like. He's got a sector that points to NO customers, only to my tower. The good news is that operators like that eventually run out of money and will go away. But in this location I've got SIX different systems. 4 of them are 2.4 and three of those are on the same channel. Remember you have not only the noise that your ap's see to deal with but also the noise that your cpe sees coming from his ap's. In my case I have sectors as narrow as 30* (panel antennas make nice sectors and are cheap!). I also rotate polarity ass needed to help bleed off as much noise as I can. There are other spots that I have no customers behind a tower on a hill so sectors just make sense anyway. If long range is needed OR if I do have a customer or two out of the main lobe of the sector I may put an amp on the sector too. Usually there's no need though. It's surprising that a sector with an amp and running at the max legal 4 watts will often not give much more coverage than a sector with no amp running at 1 or 2 watts. The main reason for that is the noise that the amp injects into the system keeps your SNR about the same as often as not. There's also a cost factor. A good Maxrad adjustable beam sector (the only ones I buy nowadays) is about $400 from EC. The H-Pol version is $250ish. I tried the cheap sectors from Maxrad and another company and all systems running them act just a bit strange. Drop in a good antenna and it's AMAZING how much better the system runs! A good omni antenna from Maxrad is about $100. Others that are worth having are in that ball park (remember, there's ALMOST NEVER a good reason to run an omni over 10dB!! The high gain ones are just more money for the sales geeks). Sooo, 360* coverage with an omni and amp. $400 for a good ap, $250 for a good amp ($800? for a great one), $100 for an antenna, $25 to $150 for cables and we're at around $1000 for an omni based wpop. (plus backhaul but we'd need that anyhow) For a sectored solution you've got $400 for an ap, $400 for an antenna, $5 to $25 for cable (cat 5 this time). Times THREE or more puts us into the $1200 to $1500 range. Now, there are some that say you should put in the sectors just because it's so close in price and you have better spectrum usage that way. I don't really buy into that theory. You'll usually use ALL spectrum when sector vs. one channel when using an omni. However, with sectors it's easier to avoid noise coming from different directions on different channels/polarities. The FIRST thing you should do is figure out if there are enough customers in a given area to at least pay the bills. Then you need to run a spectrum sweep to make sure that the band you want to use is indeed usable (do NOT make the mistake I did and assume that because you are out in BFE you'll not have other wireless users in the area). NOTE: Netstubler or anything like
RE: [WISPA] Not me, no way!
I realize it's a commercial and all; but seriously There appears to be a Ladder inside the tower, just like the 1,000 footers up here. I would surely not think they would try to climb the face of a tower like that. Second, a tower like that SWAYS big time that high up, with a good breeze I can watch the 1,100' tower sway with binoculars. During a storm, if it's light enough out, you can see it with the naked eye. The older fellow did not have any shock absorbing lanyards with, much less hooked off above him. However I would have liked to saw what happens to that coke bottle if it hit he ground. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Not me, no way! Are you sure you are looking at the same climber? But anyways, to answer your question, about what their job is - its to act in a commercial! - Original Message - From: fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Not me, no way! Some bad editing (i mean movie magic)... how did he get from being hooked around a post to the middle of the cross members ;) i think it is cool though! except what exactly is their job? It looks like there's a marker light on the opposite top piece but not the one they're on. have fun. On 8/28/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.pockethercules.com/broadcast_detail16.html Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] CPE...Cat5...grounding
I don't think the drain wire would be big enough to ground the mount. We ground the drain wire to the lug in the Canopy 300ss. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] CPE...Cat5...grounding Can't you just use shielded Cat5E cable to do this. We use it on all tower installs but not for CPE's. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] CPE...Cat5...grounding I have been looking for Shielded Cat5e with a ground wire attached for a long time also. I was thinking of calling belden and asking them what it would take to make it. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE...Cat5...grounding I know this is something every WISP should be interested in using. It would be great to have an outdoor rated Cat5 cable with an attached 10awg. A reasonable price IMO for a 1000' spool would be $200 - $250. Keep us posted if you run across any. The smallest ground I would be comfortable using is 12awg and we'll want to sure it is braided so the cable is not stiff. While on this subject, is a 4' long 3/8 diameter copper ground rod sufficient for a CPE installation? SkyWalker sells these for less than a buck each in 100 qty. and they include a ground clamp to attach the wire. I'm thinking about buying a 100 of them. They also have a decent price on their 10 awg ground wire, 500' spool for $59 but I don't know if it is solid or braided. Sincerely, Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky http://www.KyWiFi.com http://www.KyWiFiVoice.com Phone: 859.274.4033 A Broadband Phone Internet Provider == Wireless Broadband, Local Calling and UNLIMITED Long Distance only $69! No Taxes, No Regulatory Fees, No Hassles FREE Site Survey: http://www.KyWiFi.com == - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] CPE...Cat5...grounding Ok, I am searching for cat5 with ground wire attached. How well do you think a coax would work to ground the CPE? http://www.computercablestore.com/detail.aspx?ID=2098 It's not like I am trying to protect it from lightning (good luck) I just want somewhere for the static to go. I could break off the coax at the entrance to the house and bang a 4 ft ground rod in and call it good. Thoughts? Anyone know a cable maker who could attach a ground wire? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] CPE...Cat5...grounding
I have been looking for Shielded Cat5e with a ground wire attached for a long time also. I was thinking of calling belden and asking them what it would take to make it. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE...Cat5...grounding I know this is something every WISP should be interested in using. It would be great to have an outdoor rated Cat5 cable with an attached 10awg. A reasonable price IMO for a 1000' spool would be $200 - $250. Keep us posted if you run across any. The smallest ground I would be comfortable using is 12awg and we'll want to sure it is braided so the cable is not stiff. While on this subject, is a 4' long 3/8 diameter copper ground rod sufficient for a CPE installation? SkyWalker sells these for less than a buck each in 100 qty. and they include a ground clamp to attach the wire. I'm thinking about buying a 100 of them. They also have a decent price on their 10 awg ground wire, 500' spool for $59 but I don't know if it is solid or braided. Sincerely, Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky http://www.KyWiFi.com http://www.KyWiFiVoice.com Phone: 859.274.4033 A Broadband Phone Internet Provider == Wireless Broadband, Local Calling and UNLIMITED Long Distance only $69! No Taxes, No Regulatory Fees, No Hassles FREE Site Survey: http://www.KyWiFi.com == - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] CPE...Cat5...grounding Ok, I am searching for cat5 with ground wire attached. How well do you think a coax would work to ground the CPE? http://www.computercablestore.com/detail.aspx?ID=2098 It's not like I am trying to protect it from lightning (good luck) I just want somewhere for the static to go. I could break off the coax at the entrance to the house and bang a 4 ft ground rod in and call it good. Thoughts? Anyone know a cable maker who could attach a ground wire? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Switch recommendations
We run Foundry FES2402-Premium's. Obviously more than $100, though. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Switch recommendations I was wondering what switch has the largest mac address table. I don't need more than 6 ports, but the $19.95 cheapy switches that my AP Bridges all go into might be hurting my performance, I am thinking. If shelling out $100 or so for a good switch makes sense, I am willing to get one, but I don't want to spend money where its not needed. What does the professional ISP use? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WAS.....HELP M2 Yagi won't.......Problem Fixed
That will do it every time... I forgot to plug in the sync cable once, at the top of the tower. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAS.HELP M2 Yagi won't...Problem Fixed Some IDIOT that was in my enclosure bumped the power supply and unplugged the AP. The idiot was me. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I am trying to get an install done tonight but can only get -112 dbm on a Canopy SM with a M2 yagi. I hung the Canopy yesterday (my first one) and did an install. I did one install earlier today with the 13 dbi yagi from CTI, so I know I'm not doing something on the radio wrong. Anyway, these antennas have to be assambled and must be I put it together wrong. Well, as soon as an answer I'll go finish the install. The install is 5 miles LOS. It didn't work so I came home and assembled another Canopy radio and antenna and this one didn't work either. My house is 1/2 mile LOS, so it's not a low signal issue. Anyway, it must be these M2 Yagis. Give me a call if you want. 269 838 8338 Brian -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems
What QTY is that pricing at? 100 Pack? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Morin Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems I was told $290 for 900 gear by trango and it might be out by the middle to end of April. Double radius told me 212.50 for Moto 900 cpe available by the end of March. Guess we'll have to wait and see. Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tranzeo announced at EC-Expo that they will have a 900mhz CPE/AP combination available sometime in the second quarter of 2006. They are currently beta testing on their own systems in Canada right now. Didn't hear a price quote, but knowing how efficient Tranzeo is, I'm guessing it will be under $350 in 20 pack quantities. FWIW, I heard several reports from different people that the SR9 miniPCI 900mhz card is vaporware, and it is going to be six months or more before it will be readily available. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Read the title of the thread, (hint, hint) :) Wishful thinking, but no. No 900mhz $150 CPE. Jeff Sullivan wrote: Brian Rohrbacher wrote: but that sub $300 CPE that a Trango told me about last August never showed up. So I guess I move on Brian It did.. Only at $150!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Velocity Wireless Anthony Morin 208 East Elm Street Ambia, IN 47917 (765) 869-5173 What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 120* Sectors
For 3 Radios: http://www.maxrad.com/product_overview_detail.cgi?id_num=10696styleid=8 For single Radio: http://www.maxrad.com/product_overview_detail.cgi?id_num=10511styleid=8 I never hooked up a customer if they were not at 11meg, anytime I tried the performance was terrible. Maybe you need to look at 900Mhz for some of those subs? Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:23 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 120* Sectors Here is what I use. http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/2_4Ghz/DT-AN-24-120H-1 35.html I have three mounted back to back on a pole. It all worked fine until I hit a higher number of subscribers. Maybe it's the interference from too many subs or maybe it's the fact that a majority of my subs are locked into 1M air rate, or maybe its because the subs are NLOS, or maybe because of the F/B or side to side isolation. So what is my problems? High pings and timeouts. Only when traffic is high. Or maybe my 600k upload is maxed out and everything is stacking up. One thing I do know is I hooked up subs I shouldn't have. I am looking for advice on antennas. Check out the ones I am using ans point me to 3 sectors that will perform good back to back, NLOS, and maybe a higher gain to grab a little more signal to get the 1M subs up to 11M. Thanks all. -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
