Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Absolutely 

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- Reply message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 10:51 PM

I just saw the announcement baicells is replacing all gear for free in affected 
areas. I know at the end of the day its marketing, but its still pretty solid 
thing to do.

On Aug 28, 2017 7:59 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  
wrote:Harvey DIRS FCC report 8/28/17:-There are 4.7% of the cell sites down in 
the
affected area, up from 4.1% yesterday. 
-There are at least 189,487 subscribers (up from at least 148,565 yesterday) 
out of service in the affected
area. This includes users who get service from cable system or wireline 
providers. 
-There are 19 (up from
11 yesterday) non-mobile switching centers out of service and 22 (up from 21 
yesterday) switching
centers on back-up power. 

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
Kind of hard to move a city with 6.2 million people. But i say the same thing 
about new orleans, anybody who didnt bring in fill to get above the water 
should never get a dime

On Aug 28, 2017 7:04 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:just playing 
devil's advocate but...if i lived in the path of an avalanche up here in the 
mountains and my house/neighborhood/city kept getting hit every [N] winter(s) 
with an avalanche that crushed everything in it's path and the rest of the 
country kept sending money for me/us to rebuild in the same place...wouldn't 
y'all eventually say "hey stop building in the path of the avalanche!?!?"
just wondering ;-)

-sean



On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to 
Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our 
emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if necessary.  We 
did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed... hospitality, great food 
and affordable housing, and again , great food. 

Jaime Solorza


On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote:






 

would you rather have 6.5 million people on the 
interstates when they flooded?



- Original Message - 

From: 
Sean Heskett 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 
PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage



maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that 
the Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was 
to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city in 
time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so now 
the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all 
flooded.


I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this 
seems really flawed IMHO.



am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!



-Sean






On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:


No political action better than reaction other than over 
reaction.





On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:


Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 
members...




Jaime Solorza



On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  
wrote:

The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac 
Dearman. I tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort 
Worth after that and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and 
nothing ever got done. Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of 
communications. The shelters in some parts of Houston, as I understand 
it, are a moving target as well right now. My partner's son is currently 
in one, but it may soon be overtaken by water itself and they might have 
to evac the few hundred people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone 
might consider contacting either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as 
they have already mobilized huge convoys of trucks with everything from 
food and water to laundry trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if 
they have ever considered communications? It might be worth while to 
have them build a few comms trucks with hydraulic masts that could be 
quickly deployed and get bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such 
events. It could be outfitted with a bunch of couches, usb charging 
ports, and few APs inside/outside to provide communications quickly 
outside of shelters. 



On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:


Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring 
up basic outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out 
streaming and video. Of course when the politics takes things over, 
there will be people who try suing for it not being "open 
internet'





On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I would 

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[George Skorup]

Yeah, that's pretty cool. Kudos to Patrick and crew.

On 8/28/2017 10:51 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I just saw the announcement baicells is replacing all gear for free in 
affected areas. I know at the end of the day its marketing, but its 
still pretty solid thing to do.


On Aug 28, 2017 7:59 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > wrote:


Harvey DIRS FCC report 8/28/17:
-There are 4.7% of the cell sites down in the affected area, up
from 4.1% yesterday.
-There are at least 189,487 subscribers (up from at least 148,565
yesterday) out of service in the affected area. This includes
users who get service from cable system or wireline providers.
-There are 19 (up from 11 yesterday) non-mobile switching centers
out of service and 22 (up from 21 yesterday) switching centers on
back-up power.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

Kind of hard to move a city with 6.2 million people. But i say
the same thing about new orleans, anybody who didnt bring in
fill to get above the water should never get a dime

On Aug 28, 2017 7:04 PM, "Sean Heskett" > wrote:

just playing devil's advocate but...if i lived in the path
of an avalanche up here in the mountains and my
house/neighborhood/city kept getting hit every [N]
winter(s) with an avalanche that crushed everything in
it's path and the rest of the country kept sending money
for me/us to rebuild in the same place...wouldn't y'all
eventually say "hey stop building in the path of the
avalanche!?!?"

just wondering ;-)

-sean


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent
nurses and emt help to Houston, utility trucks en
route to San Antonio to stage for action, our
emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees
and more if necessary.  We did same for Katrina
evacuees...many actually stayed... hospitality, great
food and affordable housing, and again , great food.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
> wrote:

would you rather have 6.5 million people on the
interstates when they flooded?

- Original Message -
*From:* Sean Heskett 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

maybe someone from Texas can explain this to
me but it seems that the Huston evacuation
plan for the storm (or really any natural
disaster) was to not evacuate because they
can't move 6.5million people out of the city
in time for the storm so everyone was supposed
to evacuate "in place"...so now the plan is to
go rescue everyone who stayed in place because
it's all flooded.

I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning
and thinking but this seems really flawed IMHO.

am i missing something or do I have my facts
wrong?!?!

-Sean


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis
Bergman > wrote:

No political action better than reaction
other than over reaction.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime
Solorza > wrote:

Abbot just called out all Texas
National Guard!! About 12000 members...


Jaime Solorza

On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron
Crum" > wrote:

The Wisp response to Katrina was
awesome thanks to Mac 

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Watching fema news conference from 715 this morning

Here is where you register your volunteer organization

(specifically told to do it in press conference)

https://www.nvoad.org



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- Reply message -
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 7:59 PM

Harvey DIRS FCC report 8/28/17:
-There are 4.7% of the cell sites down in the affected area, up from 4.1%
yesterday.
-There are at least 189,487 subscribers (up from at least 148,565
yesterday) out of service in the affected area. This includes users who get
service from cable system or wireline providers.
-There are 19 (up from 11 yesterday) non-mobile switching centers out of
service and 22 (up from 21 yesterday) switching centers on back-up power.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Kind of hard to move a city with 6.2 million people. But i say the same
> thing about new orleans, anybody who didnt bring in fill to get above the
> water should never get a dime
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 7:04 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> just playing devil's advocate but...if i lived in the path of an
>> avalanche up here in the mountains and my house/neighborhood/city kept
>> getting hit every [N] winter(s) with an avalanche that crushed everything
>> in it's path and the rest of the country kept sending money for me/us to
>> rebuild in the same place...wouldn't y'all eventually say "hey stop
>> building in the path of the avalanche!?!?"
>>
>> just wondering ;-)
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to
>>> Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our
>>> emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if
>>> necessary.  We did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed...
>>> hospitality, great food and affordable housing, and again , great food.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they
 flooded?

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Sean Heskett 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

 maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
 Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
 to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
 in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
 now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
 flooded.

 I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this
 seems really flawed IMHO.

 am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!

 -Sean


 On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman <
 lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000
>> members...
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>>> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I
>>> tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after
>>> that and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever 
>>> got
>>> done. Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The
>>> shelters in some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving 
>>> target
>>> as well right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may 
>>> soon be
>>> overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
>>> people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
>>> either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already 
>>> mobilized
>>> huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
>>> trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
>>> communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
>>> trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
>>> bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
>>> with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside 
>>> to
>>> provide communications quickly outside of shelters.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Steve Jones]

I just saw the announcement baicells is replacing all gear for free in
affected areas. I know at the end of the day its marketing, but its still
pretty solid thing to do.

On Aug 28, 2017 7:59 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:

> Harvey DIRS FCC report 8/28/17:
> -There are 4.7% of the cell sites down in the affected area, up from 4.1%
> yesterday.
> -There are at least 189,487 subscribers (up from at least 148,565
> yesterday) out of service in the affected area. This includes users who get
> service from cable system or wireline providers.
> -There are 19 (up from 11 yesterday) non-mobile switching centers out of
> service and 22 (up from 21 yesterday) switching centers on back-up power.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Kind of hard to move a city with 6.2 million people. But i say the same
>> thing about new orleans, anybody who didnt bring in fill to get above the
>> water should never get a dime
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 7:04 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>>
>>> just playing devil's advocate but...if i lived in the path of an
>>> avalanche up here in the mountains and my house/neighborhood/city kept
>>> getting hit every [N] winter(s) with an avalanche that crushed everything
>>> in it's path and the rest of the country kept sending money for me/us to
>>> rebuild in the same place...wouldn't y'all eventually say "hey stop
>>> building in the path of the avalanche!?!?"
>>>
>>> just wondering ;-)
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help
 to Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our
 emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if
 necessary.  We did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed...
 hospitality, great food and affordable housing, and again , great food.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
 wrote:

>
> would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they
> flooded?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>
> maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
> Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
> to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
> in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
> now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
> flooded.
>
> I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this
> seems really flawed IMHO.
>
> am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000
>>> members...
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
 The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I
 tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after
 that and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever 
 got
 done. Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The
 shelters in some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving 
 target
 as well right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may 
 soon be
 overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
 people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
 either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already 
 mobilized
 huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
 trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
 communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
 trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
 bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be 
 outfitted
 with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs 
 inside/outside to
 provide communications quickly outside of shelters.

 On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Broadcast
There are 9 radio stations out of service:
TX – KJOJ-FM, KKTX, KUNO, KPRC, KKWV, KAYK, KZFM, KKBA and KEYS. 


KJOJ- - 100,000 watt FM (largest signal you can get)
 KKTX - 50,000 watt FM (pretty large signal)
KUNO - 1000 watt AM station
KPRC - 5000 watt AM station
KKWV - 8500 watt FM station
 KAYK - 50,000 watt FM
KZFM - 100,000 fm - glanced at their website, it had this on facebook :

"Hot Z95 will be shutting down for the night at 6pm and will return tomorrow at 
6am. We like many other South Texans are without electricity and are relying on 
generators to be on air. Some music is better than no music! We know AEP is 
working as hard as they can to restore power to our area. Until then we will do 
what we have to do."

KKBA - 13,000 watt FM

KEYS - well, i want those call letters LOL.   
1000 watt AM...






  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 12:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage




  Thanks for posting these 


  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


  - Reply message -
  From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
  Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM


  Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug 26 to 
Aug 27


  https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
  https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf


  9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
  6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
  320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)


  Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like they come 
out at 11:30 each morning


  https://www.fcc.gov/harvey















  On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson  
wrote:

From NANOG last night.



Hurrican Harvey DIRS report

5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching centers
out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio, TX have
more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP

Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of service.


https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf









On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain areas, with > 
10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport seems to be the hardest hit.


  bp
  

  On 8/27/2017 9:11 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Hey guys , anyone getting hammered with rain and winds down in Hill 
Country areas? Tushar, Alan? Some flooding in San Antonio and especially 
Houston  but haven't heard about Austin, Llano, Marble Falls, etc. I have some 
Cambium 180s spares and one Epmp1000 .. stay safe

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing Harnesses/Gear OT?

[George Skorup]

We do 50/50 on boots, but provide all the rest. I forget what the guys 
like for harnesses. I think maybe the light-weight Elk River stuff with 
seats. Rest of the standard stuff like double pelican hook lanyards, 
positioning lanyards, etc.


We bought a 1k lb AB Chance capstan a couple years ago. With the rope 
lock kit and a swivel hitch mount. Great investment.


Rock Exotica Omni Block pulleys are freakin awesome, I love them. Been 
using the 2.0 with the capstan and its been fine, but there's the new 
2.6" now that's more suited to capstan use that we'll probably order. 
The Petzl Tandem is another pulley I like to use as a trolley.


Our rescue kit has a 200' line, ISC D4 descender, various slings, 
carabiners and a Petzl Jag 4:1 closed mini haul kit for pick-offs. And 
hopefully that never has to be used.


We also have descent kits with spreader bars, D4 descenders and 
dedicated carabiners that don't get used for anything else. Recently 
picked up some Kong hand ascenders and micro pulleys for some mechanical 
advantage so the guys can get back up the line if they have to.


Our haul lines, descent lines and backup/lifelines are all 7/16". Very 
simple reason. The D4's and mobile fall arrests are all rated for 11mm 
rope. So if necessary, any rope that's rigged can be used in an emergency.


On 8/28/2017 4:57 PM, Ben Royer wrote:
Just a sudo on-topic / off topic question.  Just curious who all 
climbs?  And a little reader survey...
I have a DBI SALA Strata harness, and a Petzl Volt, both have their 
place, but wondering what the industry likes and why?  My guys will be 
due for new ones soon, as they use the NEX right now.
I personally have a positioning lanyard, tons of rigging gear, straps, 
carabiners, etc.  Found some cool zip up bags from Menards that make a 
nice pouch.
Also, what else do you provide for your guys?  We provide all PPE, so 
Petzl Vertex Vent helmet, fall arrest lanyard, positioning carabiners, 
webbing straps for lifting, etc. then obvious work attire.
What are your favorite pieces of climbing gear that I missed?  Maybe 
there’s a trick of the trade I’m missing? Wanted to open a dialogue on 
the subject to maybe share climber related tips and tricks, and buying 
guides for other climbers and ourselves.
For example, we learned to use a Prusik knot to help hold pipes while 
we slide them up or down on our towers.
Also, just bought my guys all new boots, went with Carolina CA3526, 
Steel Toe, Steel Shank, Waterproof, EH rated, Oil and Slip resistant, 
great boot.  Tried sourcing through dist. but need more demand before 
supply, wondering if any of you folks out there do a boot program and 
would benefit from a large qty. order discount?  Maybe if enough 
people want them I can convince someone to carry them.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Harvey DIRS FCC report 8/28/17:
-There are 4.7% of the cell sites down in the affected area, up from 4.1%
yesterday.
-There are at least 189,487 subscribers (up from at least 148,565
yesterday) out of service in the affected area. This includes users who get
service from cable system or wireline providers.
-There are 19 (up from 11 yesterday) non-mobile switching centers out of
service and 22 (up from 21 yesterday) switching centers on back-up power.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Kind of hard to move a city with 6.2 million people. But i say the same
> thing about new orleans, anybody who didnt bring in fill to get above the
> water should never get a dime
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 7:04 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> just playing devil's advocate but...if i lived in the path of an
>> avalanche up here in the mountains and my house/neighborhood/city kept
>> getting hit every [N] winter(s) with an avalanche that crushed everything
>> in it's path and the rest of the country kept sending money for me/us to
>> rebuild in the same place...wouldn't y'all eventually say "hey stop
>> building in the path of the avalanche!?!?"
>>
>> just wondering ;-)
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to
>>> Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our
>>> emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if
>>> necessary.  We did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed...
>>> hospitality, great food and affordable housing, and again , great food.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they
 flooded?

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Sean Heskett 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

 maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
 Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
 to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
 in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
 now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
 flooded.

 I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this
 seems really flawed IMHO.

 am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!

 -Sean


 On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman <
 lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000
>> members...
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>>> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I
>>> tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after
>>> that and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever 
>>> got
>>> done. Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The
>>> shelters in some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving 
>>> target
>>> as well right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may 
>>> soon be
>>> overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
>>> people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
>>> either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already 
>>> mobilized
>>> huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
>>> trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
>>> communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
>>> trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
>>> bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
>>> with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside 
>>> to
>>> provide communications quickly outside of shelters.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up
 basic outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out 
 streaming
 and video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be
 people who try suing for it not being "open internet'

 On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Steve Jones]

Kind of hard to move a city with 6.2 million people. But i say the same
thing about new orleans, anybody who didnt bring in fill to get above the
water should never get a dime

On Aug 28, 2017 7:04 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> just playing devil's advocate but...if i lived in the path of an avalanche
> up here in the mountains and my house/neighborhood/city kept getting hit
> every [N] winter(s) with an avalanche that crushed everything in it's path
> and the rest of the country kept sending money for me/us to rebuild in the
> same place...wouldn't y'all eventually say "hey stop building in the path
> of the avalanche!?!?"
>
> just wondering ;-)
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to
>> Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our
>> emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if
>> necessary.  We did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed...
>> hospitality, great food and affordable housing, and again , great food.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they
>>> flooded?
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>>>
>>> maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
>>> Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
>>> to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
>>> in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
>>> now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
>>> flooded.
>>>
>>> I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this
>>> seems really flawed IMHO.
>>>
>>> am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
 No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.

 On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
>> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I
>> tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after
>> that and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever 
>> got
>> done. Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The
>> shelters in some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving 
>> target
>> as well right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon 
>> be
>> overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
>> people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
>> either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized
>> huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
>> trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
>> communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
>> trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
>> bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
>> with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside 
>> to
>> provide communications quickly outside of shelters.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up
>>> basic outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out 
>>> streaming
>>> and video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be
>>> people who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.

 On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> Thanks for posting these
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>
> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11

[Steve Jones]

Ill have to look

On Aug 28, 2017 5:23 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> It does show on the AP Side...
>
> Lower right hand of the dashboard  click on the two dots to see the
> different screens ...
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 6:02:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11
>
> I see the power leveling from the client side, would be nice if it showed
> on the AP side, better than nothing though
> On a bright note, getting that relieve/drain replaced was a snap, 5
> minutes on chat and theyre sending a replacement next day 1 in the plus
> column for them for sure
>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the explanation, helps us in getting a better understanding of
>> the function and features.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"George Skorup" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:03:41 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11
>>
>> Turning up Tx power for rain fade is called power per mod, ACM power
>> control or more sanely "variable power" as the SAF Luminas call it. ATPC is
>> there to turn the power down when it's too hot. Power control and ATPC are
>> two independent functions in the Lumina, as it should be. SAF did this
>> right. I love the Lumina, except when ACM decides to get stuck. That's my
>> only complaint about it. Well, the buffer is a bit small, but it's only a
>> 360Mbps radio, so it's not too bad with flow control.
>>
>> When you coordinate a path, you can do either fixed or variable power.
>> Obviously the radio will need to support variable.
>>
>> Here's an example from a Trango ApexPlus.
>>
>>
>>
>> Notice that they call it ATPC because that's what Trango ended up doing,
>> adapting their ATPC code for power per mod level. This wasn't supported for
>> the first year or two which was driving a lot of us nuts since the Remec
>> ODU fully supported it.
>>
>> The Exalt ExtendAir G2 is another example. Exalt told me ATPC couldn't do
>> this and I was SOL. So I guess enough of us bitched loud enough because ACM
>> power control is finally supported after three years with the 1.5.0
>> release. I haven't loaded it on any of our radios yet, so we'll see.
>>
>> I don't know what the actual criteria for ATPC declaration is. But I'd
>> imagine something like a really short path, or really large antennas for
>> maximum fade resistance. Maybe the path is engineered for a -20dBm, but
>> some radios don't want any hotter than -30dBm, so you need ATPC to bring it
>> down 10dB. But you still want to be able to run at max EIRP for heavy fade
>> events, so it's coordinated at say 28dBm w/ 8' dishes for that -20dBm RSL,
>> -30dBm ATPC level.
>>
>> On 8/27/2017 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> fair point..
>> I was referring more to the concept of ATPC, which would allow one to
>> turn up the power under signal fade conditions.
>>
>> with the B11, when configured with coordinated power, the signal can be
>> rather Hot, and these radios will (auto) turn down power, and maintain
>> performance.
>>
>> It is not ATPC, but the functionality of needing extra power while
>> maintaining optimum performance is there..
>>
>> The biggest challenge with the Mimosa products is that they are doing
>> things differently, and it can be a challenge in ' translating ' all of
>> there ' feature's into the 'well known' and or 'accepted' features.
>>
>> Not passing judgment on if those features are good or bad, just saying
>> that in trying to gain a better understanding of Mimosa Radios, one has to
>> look at these features in a different light..
>>
>> While they may not be your 'cup of tea'  or they may not be 'the best'
>> radio for a particular application, they fit a requirement niche very well.
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"George Skorup" 
>> 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:24:29 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11
>>
>> Part 101 says you should run your systems at the coordinated power levels
>> unless ATPC is 

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

What I was trying to say is that in today's market the VOIP / DECT phones are 
no longer an expensive item.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Seth Mattinen" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 6:39:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

> On 8/28/17 3:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> https://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/yealink/dect
>> 
>> I believe these would qualify as being pretty affordable !
> 
> 
> Those are; I have a Spectralink system.

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Chuck McCown]

Or change building codes to make all new construction impervious/resistant to 
the threat.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 6:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

just playing devil's advocate but...if i lived in the path of an avalanche up 
here in the mountains and my house/neighborhood/city kept getting hit every [N] 
winter(s) with an avalanche that crushed everything in it's path and the rest 
of the country kept sending money for me/us to rebuild in the same 
place...wouldn't y'all eventually say "hey stop building in the path of the 
avalanche!?!?" 

just wondering ;-)

-sean


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to 
Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our 
emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if necessary.  We 
did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed... hospitality, great food 
and affordable housing, and again , great food. 


  Jaime Solorza

  On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote:


would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they 
flooded?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sean Heskett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

  maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the 
Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was to 
not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city in time 
for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so now the plan 
is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all flooded. 

  I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this 
seems really flawed IMHO.

  am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!

  -Sean


  On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 
members...



  Jaime Solorza

  On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I 
tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after that 
and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got done. 
Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The shelters in some 
parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target as well right now. My 
partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon be overtaken by water itself 
and they might have to evac the few hundred people there. It's a mess for sure. 
Someone might consider contacting either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as 
they have already mobilized huge convoys of trucks with everything from food 
and water to laundry trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever 
considered communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few 
comms trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get 
bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted with a 
bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside to provide 
communications quickly outside of shelters. 

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

  Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up 
basic outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and 
video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people who 
try suing for it not being "open internet'

  On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of 
fuel.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


  Thanks for posting these 

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
  Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM

  Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing 
from Aug 26 to Aug 27 

  https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
  https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf

  9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
  6 more switching 

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Sean Heskett]

just playing devil's advocate but...if i lived in the path of an avalanche
up here in the mountains and my house/neighborhood/city kept getting hit
every [N] winter(s) with an avalanche that crushed everything in it's path
and the rest of the country kept sending money for me/us to rebuild in the
same place...wouldn't y'all eventually say "hey stop building in the path
of the avalanche!?!?"

just wondering ;-)

-sean


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to
> Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our
> emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if
> necessary.  We did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed...
> hospitality, great food and affordable housing, and again , great food.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they
>> flooded?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Sean Heskett 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>>
>> maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
>> Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
>> to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
>> in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
>> now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
>> flooded.
>>
>> I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this
>> seems really flawed IMHO.
>>
>> am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...


 Jaime Solorza

 On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I
> tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after
> that and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got
> done. Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The
> shelters in some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target
> as well right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon 
> be
> overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
> people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
> either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized
> huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
> trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
> communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
> trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
> bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
> with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside to
> provide communications quickly outside of shelters.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up
>> basic outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out 
>> streaming
>> and video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be
>> people who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 Thanks for posting these

 Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
 To: 
 Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
 Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM

 Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from
 Aug 26 to Aug 27

 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf

 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug
 26 report)
 320 total cell towers out of 

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing Harnesses/Gear OT?

[Jaime Solorza]

I like Elk River harness.  I use a variation of Prusik we call pig
knot...as long as tension is on pipe or tower section it keeps safe...So
with gin pole we clamp middle of tower section with pig knot on top of it.
As they hoist section up I get rope to keep it from getting stuck and once
at hip level I hold section while undoing knot...grab section with both
hands and ground crew bring it up. I rest on last rungs where my hips are
above tower and then bring up section as I gently guide sections
together...ground crew is maintaining tower section tension and adjust per
my commands.  Never dropped section or have one injure me...

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 28, 2017 4:58 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> https://www.gmesupply.com/petzl-volt-tower-lt-harness
>
> super light weight
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:
>
>> Just a sudo on-topic / off topic question.  Just curious who all climbs?
>> And a little reader survey...
>>
>> I have a DBI SALA Strata harness, and a Petzl Volt, both have their
>> place, but wondering what the industry likes and why?  My guys will be due
>> for new ones soon, as they use the NEX right now.
>>
>> I personally have a positioning lanyard, tons of rigging gear, straps,
>> carabiners, etc.  Found some cool zip up bags from Menards that make a nice
>> pouch.
>>
>> Also, what else do you provide for your guys?  We provide all PPE, so
>> Petzl Vertex Vent helmet, fall arrest lanyard, positioning carabiners,
>> webbing straps for lifting, etc.  then obvious work attire.
>>
>> What are your favorite pieces of climbing gear that I missed?  Maybe
>> there’s a trick of the trade I’m missing?  Wanted to open a dialogue on the
>> subject to maybe share climber related tips and tricks, and buying guides
>> for other climbers and ourselves.
>>
>> For example, we learned to use a Prusik knot to help hold pipes while we
>> slide them up or down on our towers.
>>
>> Also, just bought my guys all new boots, went with Carolina CA3526, Steel
>> Toe, Steel Shank, Waterproof, EH rated, Oil and Slip resistant, great
>> boot.  Tried sourcing through dist. but need more demand before supply,
>> wondering if any of you folks out there do a boot program and would benefit
>> from a large qty. order discount?  Maybe if enough people want them I can
>> convince someone to carry them.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing Harnesses/Gear OT?

[Sean Heskett]

https://www.gmesupply.com/petzl-volt-tower-lt-harness

super light weight



On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:

> Just a sudo on-topic / off topic question.  Just curious who all climbs?
> And a little reader survey...
>
> I have a DBI SALA Strata harness, and a Petzl Volt, both have their place,
> but wondering what the industry likes and why?  My guys will be due for new
> ones soon, as they use the NEX right now.
>
> I personally have a positioning lanyard, tons of rigging gear, straps,
> carabiners, etc.  Found some cool zip up bags from Menards that make a nice
> pouch.
>
> Also, what else do you provide for your guys?  We provide all PPE, so
> Petzl Vertex Vent helmet, fall arrest lanyard, positioning carabiners,
> webbing straps for lifting, etc.  then obvious work attire.
>
> What are your favorite pieces of climbing gear that I missed?  Maybe
> there’s a trick of the trade I’m missing?  Wanted to open a dialogue on the
> subject to maybe share climber related tips and tricks, and buying guides
> for other climbers and ourselves.
>
> For example, we learned to use a Prusik knot to help hold pipes while we
> slide them up or down on our towers.
>
> Also, just bought my guys all new boots, went with Carolina CA3526, Steel
> Toe, Steel Shank, Waterproof, EH rated, Oil and Slip resistant, great
> boot.  Tried sourcing through dist. but need more demand before supply,
> wondering if any of you folks out there do a boot program and would benefit
> from a large qty. order discount?  Maybe if enough people want them I can
> convince someone to carry them.
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/28/17 3:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

https://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/yealink/dect

I believe these would qualify as being pretty affordable !



Those are; I have a Spectralink system.

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

https://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/yealink/dect

I believe these would qualify as being pretty affordable !


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Seth Mattinen" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 2:42:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

> On 8/28/17 11:24, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> use DECT for wireless phones
> 
> 
> I love my DECT IP phones, but they're not bargain basement cheap, which
> is probably why people want to use wifi.
> 
> ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11

[Faisal Imtiaz]

It does show on the AP Side... 

Lower right hand of the dashboard  click on the two dots to see the 
different screens ... 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 6:02:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11

> I see the power leveling from the client side, would be nice if it showed on 
> the
> AP side, better than nothing though
> On a bright note, getting that relieve/drain replaced was a snap, 5 minutes on
> chat and theyre sending a replacement next day 1 in the plus column for them
> for sure

> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> Thanks for the explanation, helps us in getting a better understanding of the
>> function and features.

>> :)

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "George Skorup" < george.sko...@cbcast.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:03:41 PM

>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11

>>> Turning up Tx power for rain fade is called power per mod, ACM power 
>>> control or
>>> more sanely "variable power" as the SAF Luminas call it. ATPC is there to 
>>> turn
>>> the power down when it's too hot. Power control and ATPC are two independent
>>> functions in the Lumina, as it should be. SAF did this right. I love the
>>> Lumina, except when ACM decides to get stuck. That's my only complaint about
>>> it. Well, the buffer is a bit small, but it's only a 360Mbps radio, so it's 
>>> not
>>> too bad with flow control.

>>> When you coordinate a path, you can do either fixed or variable power. 
>>> Obviously
>>> the radio will need to support variable.

>>> Here's an example from a Trango ApexPlus.

>>> Notice that they call it ATPC because that's what Trango ended up doing,
>>> adapting their ATPC code for power per mod level. This wasn't supported for 
>>> the
>>> first year or two which was driving a lot of us nuts since the Remec ODU 
>>> fully
>>> supported it.

>>> The Exalt ExtendAir G2 is another example. Exalt told me ATPC couldn't do 
>>> this
>>> and I was SOL. So I guess enough of us bitched loud enough because ACM power
>>> control is finally supported after three years with the 1.5.0 release. I
>>> haven't loaded it on any of our radios yet, so we'll see.

>>> I don't know what the actual criteria for ATPC declaration is. But I'd 
>>> imagine
>>> something like a really short path, or really large antennas for maximum 
>>> fade
>>> resistance. Maybe the path is engineered for a -20dBm, but some radios don't
>>> want any hotter than -30dBm, so you need ATPC to bring it down 10dB. But you
>>> still want to be able to run at max EIRP for heavy fade events, so it's
>>> coordinated at say 28dBm w/ 8' dishes for that -20dBm RSL, -30dBm ATPC 
>>> level.

>>> On 8/27/2017 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

 fair point..
 I was referring more to the concept of ATPC, which would allow one to turn 
 up
 the power under signal fade conditions.

 with the B11, when configured with coordinated power, the signal can be 
 rather
 Hot, and these radios will (auto) turn down power, and maintain 
 performance.

 It is not ATPC, but the functionality of needing extra power while 
 maintaining
 optimum performance is there..

 The biggest challenge with the Mimosa products is that they are doing 
 things
 differently, and it can be a challenge in ' translating ' all of there '
 feature's into the 'well known' and or 'accepted' features.

 Not passing judgment on if those features are good or bad, just saying 
 that in
 trying to gain a better understanding of Mimosa Radios, one has to look at
 these features in a different light..

 While they may not be your 'cup of tea' or they may not be 'the best' 
 radio for
 a particular application, they fit a requirement niche very well.

 :)

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> From: "George Skorup" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:24:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa b11

> Part 101 says you should run your systems at the coordinated power levels 
> unless
> ATPC is explicitly declared. Just sayin.

> On 8/27/2017 12:52 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>> FYI, ATPC (Automatic Transmit Power Control) is practiced by the Mimosa 
>> B11 but
>> it is done a bit differently.

>> First of all There is a function built into 

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb UBNT speed test question

[Jay Weekley]

Possibly.  I think they were referring to TCP overhead.

James Craig wrote:
The UI speedtest should be fairly accurate.  Just keep in mind that it 
is UDP vs TCP and the default is direction is duplex (both Rx and Tx). 
  Perhaps they were thinking PHY rate vs real throughput on older units?


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:


When performing speed tests on UBNT radios such as a Powerbeam M2
I've been told that the real world throughput is about 55% less.
For example, a speed test of 10 Mbit/s will actually be 5.5 on
Speedtest.net.  Is this still correct on more recent firmware
versions?



 
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Re: [AFMUG] Dumb UBNT speed test question

[James Craig]

The UI speedtest should be fairly accurate.  Just keep in mind that it is
UDP vs TCP and the default is direction is duplex (both Rx and Tx).
Perhaps they were thinking PHY rate vs real throughput on older units?

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> When performing speed tests on UBNT radios such as a Powerbeam M2 I've
> been told that the real world throughput is about 55% less. For example, a
> speed test of 10 Mbit/s will actually be 5.5 on Speedtest.net.  Is this
> still correct on more recent firmware versions?
>

[AFMUG] Climbing Harnesses/Gear OT?

[Ben Royer]

Just a sudo on-topic / off topic question.  Just curious who all climbs?  And a 
little reader survey...

I have a DBI SALA Strata harness, and a Petzl Volt, both have their place, but 
wondering what the industry likes and why?  My guys will be due for new ones 
soon, as they use the NEX right now.

I personally have a positioning lanyard, tons of rigging gear, straps, 
carabiners, etc.  Found some cool zip up bags from Menards that make a nice 
pouch.

Also, what else do you provide for your guys?  We provide all PPE, so Petzl 
Vertex Vent helmet, fall arrest lanyard, positioning carabiners, webbing straps 
for lifting, etc.  then obvious work attire.

What are your favorite pieces of climbing gear that I missed?  Maybe there’s a 
trick of the trade I’m missing?  Wanted to open a dialogue on the subject to 
maybe share climber related tips and tricks, and buying guides for other 
climbers and ourselves.

For example, we learned to use a Prusik knot to help hold pipes while we slide 
them up or down on our towers.

Also, just bought my guys all new boots, went with Carolina CA3526, Steel Toe, 
Steel Shank, Waterproof, EH rated, Oil and Slip resistant, great boot.  Tried 
sourcing through dist. but need more demand before supply, wondering if any of 
you folks out there do a boot program and would benefit from a large qty. order 
discount?  Maybe if enough people want them I can convince someone to carry 
them.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

[AFMUG] Dumb UBNT speed test question

[Jay Weekley]

When performing speed tests on UBNT radios such as a Powerbeam M2 I've 
been told that the real world throughput is about 55% less. For example, 
a speed test of 10 Mbit/s will actually be 5.5 on Speedtest.net.  Is 
this still correct on more recent firmware versions?

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Cameron Crum]

Yeah...I mean if you ever needed an excuse to leave Houston...

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to
> Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our
> emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if
> necessary.  We did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed...
> hospitality, great food and affordable housing, and again , great food.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they
>> flooded?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Sean Heskett 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>>
>> maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
>> Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
>> to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
>> in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
>> now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
>> flooded.
>>
>> I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this
>> seems really flawed IMHO.
>>
>> am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...


 Jaime Solorza

 On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I
> tired to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after
> that and it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got
> done. Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The
> shelters in some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target
> as well right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon 
> be
> overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
> people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
> either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized
> huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
> trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
> communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
> trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
> bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
> with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside to
> provide communications quickly outside of shelters.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up
>> basic outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out 
>> streaming
>> and video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be
>> people who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 Thanks for posting these

 Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
 To: 
 Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
 Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM

 Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from
 Aug 26 to Aug 27

 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf

 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug
 26 report)
 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)

 Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like
 they come out at 11:30 each morning

 https://www.fcc.gov/harvey







 On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson <
 

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Josh Reynolds]

My UniFi network hears over 121 APs on my property.

On Aug 28, 2017 1:16 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Obviously on different frequencies. But still, this is in a downtown one
> story building. I haven't tried but I bet you can hear 30 AP's from in
> there. At least it wouldn't surprise me.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:10 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Only if overlapping. I've largely ended 2.4ghz use in my home.
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 1:09 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Dedicated APs cause more interference. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>>
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 1:09:07 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP
>>>
>>> I was leaning to having a dedicated AP for the phones. I would think
>>> that would help but still not ideal. If it goes that way I'll give you a
>>> shout.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:31 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> If you decide to do this, shoot me an email. I'm happy to offer some
 tips as to how to make this work best on UniFi. Like I said, I *do*
 run it at home, but no wireless VOIP solution is without it's hiccups.
 It depends a lot on the demands put on the wireless network, the
 environment, usage patterns, etc.

 On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Lewis Bergman <
 lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
 > Yea, even when you tell people "I don't recommend this, you likely
 won't be
 > happy. But you are an adult and can make your own decisions." They
 come back
 > in 3 weeks whining about how bad whatever it was is and how you
 promised it
 > would work. If they do happen to remember it they are still mad at
 you since
 > "you told them so" and of course, nobody can be mad at themselves.
 >
 > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> Don't.
 >>
 >> It'll work, then it won't. Then it will, then it won't.
 >>
 >> I guess it depends on how important this is to your reputation vs
 cost.
 >>
 >> On Aug 28, 2017 10:53 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Yea, that is my initial thought as well. I am hoping by
 >>>
 >>> being inside
 >>> being very close to the AP
 >>> being lucky?
 >>>
 >>> I might be able to make this work.
 >>>
 >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM Josh Reynolds <
 j...@kyneticwifi.com>
 >>> wrote:
 
  There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their
 licensed
  radio offerings, and even that isn't through them.
 
  I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some
 wireless.
 
  I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no
 other
  option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the
 problem
  is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference
 and
  distortion.
 
  A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all
  together.
 
  On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
  wrote:
 
  I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run
 at
  some point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch
 down I
  could only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed.
 By the
  length it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut
 and
  re-terminated.
 
  Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
  installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP
 supported VLAN,
  DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.
 
  I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for
 voice
  and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus
 entry
  level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and
 appears to have
  all the features. Rukus 

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Lewis Bergman]

Wireless DECT phones, which I like, solve a different problem. If you want
a desk phone, that is what you want.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:43 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> 1+ on DECT
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 12:42 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 8/28/17 11:24, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>>> use DECT for wireless phones
>>>
>>
>>
>> I love my DECT IP phones, but they're not bargain basement cheap, which
>> is probably why people want to use wifi.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave

[Steve Jones]

Do those guys have jobs?

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Anyone have a good Dragonwave contact? I need a link engineered and priced
> ASAP.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

[AFMUG] Dragonwave

[Mike Hammett]

Anyone have a good Dragonwave contact? I need a link engineered and priced 
ASAP. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Tyson Burris]

I will hit them up


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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

They're quite receptive to updates. I don't think they'll accept anything under 
10 megs, though, unless it's your highest plan.


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From: "Tyson Burris" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 2:52:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
Hmm, that site is wrong for our prices and speeds.

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

Even Google Fiber does it wrong.


https://broadbandnow.com/Google-Fiber


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From: "Mike Hammett" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:36:02 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated 
coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In 
doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously 
based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census blocks 
in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and not an 
expansion network.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Mike Hammett]

They're quite receptive to updates. I don't think they'll accept anything under 
10 megs, though, unless it's your highest plan. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Tyson Burris"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 2:52:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477 



Hmm, that site is wrong for our prices and speeds. 


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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 3:29 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477 


Even Google Fiber does it wrong. 


https://broadbandnow.com/Google-Fiber 



- 
Mike Hammett 
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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -


From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:36:02 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477 

On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated 
coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In 
doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously 
based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census blocks 
in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and not an 
expansion network. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Tyson Burris]

Hmm, that site is wrong for our prices and speeds.

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

Even Google Fiber does it wrong.


https://broadbandnow.com/Google-Fiber


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From: "Mike Hammett" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:36:02 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated 
coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In 
doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously 
based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census blocks 
in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and not an 
expansion network.


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Re: [AFMUG] 450M default pins

[Roland Houin]

you will need a license to use the sfp port.

roland


> What are the default pins on a 450m with POE out set on the aux port. It is
set to use the SFP but I'm getting nada on that port even with a patch cable
and their SFP. It links fine but is sending zero packets. Hopefully with a
reset it will at least work on the copper port. <

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Jaime Solorza]

1+ on DECT

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 28, 2017 12:42 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 8/28/17 11:24, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
>> use DECT for wireless phones
>>
>
>
> I love my DECT IP phones, but they're not bargain basement cheap, which is
> probably why people want to use wifi.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Jaime Solorza]

Tough call any way you cut it...our city has sent nurses and emt help to
Houston, utility trucks en route to San Antonio to stage for action, our
emergency response center is ready for 1500 evacuees and more if
necessary.  We did same for Katrina evacuees...many actually stayed...
hospitality, great food and affordable housing, and again , great food.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 28, 2017 1:05 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they
> flooded?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>
> maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
> Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
> to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
> in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
> now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
> flooded.
>
> I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this seems
> really flawed IMHO.
>
> am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
 The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I tired
 to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after that and
 it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got done.
 Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The shelters in
 some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target as well
 right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon be
 overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
 people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
 either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized
 huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
 trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
 communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
 trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
 bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
 with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside to
 provide communications quickly outside of shelters.

 On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:

> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up basic
> outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and
> video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people
> who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting these
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>>>
>>> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug
>>> 26 to Aug 27
>>>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf
>>>
>>> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
>>> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug
>>> 26 report)
>>> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)
>>>
>>> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like
>>> they come out at 11:30 each morning
>>>
>>> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson <
>>> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>>>
 From NANOG last night.


 Hurrican Harvey DIRS report

 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching
 centers

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Mike Hammett]

Even Google Fiber does it wrong. 


https://broadbandnow.com/Google-Fiber 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:36:02 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477 


On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated 
coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In 
doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously 
based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census blocks 
in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and not an 
expansion network. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

would you rather have 6.5 million people on the interstates when they flooded?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sean Heskett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 1:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage


  maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the Huston 
evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was to not 
evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city in time for 
the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so now the plan is 
to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all flooded.


  I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this seems 
really flawed IMHO.


  am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!


  -Sean




  On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...



  Jaime Solorza


  On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I tired 
to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after that and it 
just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got done. Nobody 
seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The shelters in some parts 
of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target as well right now. My 
partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon be overtaken by water itself 
and they might have to evac the few hundred people there. It's a mess for sure. 
Someone might consider contacting either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as 
they have already mobilized huge convoys of trucks with everything from food 
and water to laundry trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever 
considered communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few 
comms trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get 
bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted with a 
bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside to provide 
communications quickly outside of shelters. 


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

  Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up 
basic outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and 
video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people who 
try suing for it not being "open internet'


  On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  
wrote:

I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:



  Thanks for posting these 


  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


  - Reply message -
  From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
  To: 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
  Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM


  Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from 
Aug 26 to Aug 27


  https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
  https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf


  9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
  6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on 
Aug 26 report)
  320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 
report)


  Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks 
like they come out at 11:30 each morning


  https://www.fcc.gov/harvey















  On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson 
 wrote:

From NANOG last night.



Hurrican Harvey DIRS report

5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and 
KAYK)
149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 
switching centers
out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San 
Patricio, TX have
more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP

Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of 
service.


https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf









On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  
wrote:

  I saw reports this morning of 22+ 

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Cameron Crum]

Houston freeways are parking lots on normal days. Big thunderstorms often
shut down large sections of highway there, so it's not like this was
unexpected. People should have started leaving last Thursday and a good
number did. Many thought they were high enough to not be impacted and were
wrong.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/28/17 11:42, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> I watched the interview with the mayor, basically, they had a massive
>> number of people that would need to move, and the current data set put the
>> hit not on them. the biggest issue was where to send them, since this was
>> going to potentially be anywhere and everywhere at once. The death toll
>> would have been catastrophic, freeways would be congested and jammed
>> ultimately resulting in stranded vehicles, and ultimately thos vehicles
>> full under water, drownings would have been insane
>>
>
>
> At a certain point there's just too many people in one place and there's
> really no way to handle things with a good outcome for everyone.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Sean Heskett]

um in todays information age with all the data available and intelligent AI
like watson this seems like a "BIG DATA" solvable problem.

or we could just not rebuild in dangerous locations i guess ;-)

-sean


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/28/17 11:42, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> I watched the interview with the mayor, basically, they had a massive
>> number of people that would need to move, and the current data set put the
>> hit not on them. the biggest issue was where to send them, since this was
>> going to potentially be anywhere and everywhere at once. The death toll
>> would have been catastrophic, freeways would be congested and jammed
>> ultimately resulting in stranded vehicles, and ultimately thos vehicles
>> full under water, drownings would have been insane
>>
>
>
> At a certain point there's just too many people in one place and there's
> really no way to handle things with a good outcome for everyone.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Steve Jones]

overall, the death toll is relatively low so for for the number of people
directly impacted, with 12k national guard coming in it should help to get
people move en mass, even though there isnt really anywhere to go.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/28/17 11:42, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> I watched the interview with the mayor, basically, they had a massive
>> number of people that would need to move, and the current data set put the
>> hit not on them. the biggest issue was where to send them, since this was
>> going to potentially be anywhere and everywhere at once. The death toll
>> would have been catastrophic, freeways would be congested and jammed
>> ultimately resulting in stranded vehicles, and ultimately thos vehicles
>> full under water, drownings would have been insane
>>
>
>
> At a certain point there's just too many people in one place and there's
> really no way to handle things with a good outcome for everyone.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/28/17 11:42, Steve Jones wrote:
I watched the interview with the mayor, basically, they had a massive 
number of people that would need to move, and the current data set put 
the hit not on them. the biggest issue was where to send them, since 
this was going to potentially be anywhere and everywhere at once. The 
death toll would have been catastrophic, freeways would be congested and 
jammed ultimately resulting in stranded vehicles, and ultimately thos 
vehicles full under water, drownings would have been insane



At a certain point there's just too many people in one place and there's 
really no way to handle things with a good outcome for everyone.

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/28/17 11:24, Sean Heskett wrote:

use DECT for wireless phones



I love my DECT IP phones, but they're not bargain basement cheap, which 
is probably why people want to use wifi.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Steve Jones]

I watched the interview with the mayor, basically, they had a massive
number of people that would need to move, and the current data set put the
hit not on them. the biggest issue was where to send them, since this was
going to potentially be anywhere and everywhere at once. The death toll
would have been catastrophic, freeways would be congested and jammed
ultimately resulting in stranded vehicles, and ultimately thos vehicles
full under water, drownings would have been insane

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
> Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
> to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
> in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
> now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
> flooded.
>
> I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this seems
> really flawed IMHO.
>
> am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
 The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I tired
 to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after that and
 it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got done.
 Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The shelters in
 some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target as well
 right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon be
 overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
 people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
 either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized
 huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
 trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
 communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
 trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
 bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
 with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside to
 provide communications quickly outside of shelters.

 On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:

> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up basic
> outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and
> video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people
> who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting these
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>>>
>>> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug
>>> 26 to Aug 27
>>>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf
>>>
>>> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
>>> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug
>>> 26 report)
>>> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)
>>>
>>> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like
>>> they come out at 11:30 each morning
>>>
>>> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson <
>>> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>>>
 From NANOG last night.


 Hurrican Harvey DIRS report

 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching
 centers
 out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio,
 TX 

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Sean Heskett]

maybe someone from Texas can explain this to me but it seems that the
Huston evacuation plan for the storm (or really any natural disaster) was
to not evacuate because they can't move 6.5million people out of the city
in time for the storm so everyone was supposed to evacuate "in place"...so
now the plan is to go rescue everyone who stayed in place because it's all
flooded.

I know Texans have their own sort of reasoning and thinking but this seems
really flawed IMHO.

am i missing something or do I have my facts wrong?!?!

-Sean


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>>> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I tired
>>> to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after that and
>>> it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got done.
>>> Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The shelters in
>>> some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target as well
>>> right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon be
>>> overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
>>> people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
>>> either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized
>>> huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
>>> trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
>>> communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
>>> trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
>>> bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
>>> with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside to
>>> provide communications quickly outside of shelters.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up basic
 outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and
 video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people
 who try suing for it not being "open internet'

 On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for posting these
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>>
>> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug
>> 26 to Aug 27
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf
>>
>> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
>> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug
>> 26 report)
>> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)
>>
>> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like
>> they come out at 11:30 each morning
>>
>> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson <
>> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From NANOG last night.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hurrican Harvey DIRS report
>>>
>>> 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
>>> 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching
>>> centers
>>> out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
>>> 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio,
>>> TX have
>>> more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
>>> 9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP
>>>
>>> Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of
>>> service.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain areas,
 with > 10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport seems to be 
 the
 hardest hit.


 bp
 

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Sean Heskett]

use DECT for wireless phones

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at some
> point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch down I could
> only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By the length
> it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and
> re-terminated.
>
> Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
> installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP supported
> VLAN, DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.
>
> I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for voice
> and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus entry
> level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears to
> have all the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it looks
> like Ubiquiti is a license.
>
> Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450M default pins

[George Skorup]

I don't think there's default plug support on the aux port. Because it's 
not needed. Same as the 450i. Give it a quick 1-2 second power cycle. 
That will make the boot loader pause for I think 30 seconds. Open your 
browser to 169.254.1.1 and you'll see the reboot to defaults option. You 
might have to power cycle once, leave it on for about 10 seconds, and 
then do the 2 second cycle. Been a while since I had to do that on a 450i.


On 8/28/2017 12:38 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

What are the default pins on a 450m with POE out set on the aux port.  It is 
set to use the SFP but I'm getting nada on that port even with a patch cable 
and their SFP. It links fine but is sending zero packets.  Hopefully with a 
reset it will at least work on the copper port.

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Lewis Bergman]

Obviously on different frequencies. But still, this is in a downtown one
story building. I haven't tried but I bet you can hear 30 AP's from in
there. At least it wouldn't surprise me.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 1:10 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Only if overlapping. I've largely ended 2.4ghz use in my home.
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 1:09 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Dedicated APs cause more interference. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 1:09:07 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP
>>
>> I was leaning to having a dedicated AP for the phones. I would think that
>> would help but still not ideal. If it goes that way I'll give you a shout.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:31 PM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
> If you decide to do this, shoot me an email. I'm happy to offer some
>>> tips as to how to make this work best on UniFi. Like I said, I *do*
>>> run it at home, but no wireless VOIP solution is without it's hiccups.
>>> It depends a lot on the demands put on the wireless network, the
>>> environment, usage patterns, etc.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Yea, even when you tell people "I don't recommend this, you likely
>>> won't be
>>> > happy. But you are an adult and can make your own decisions." They
>>> come back
>>> > in 3 weeks whining about how bad whatever it was is and how you
>>> promised it
>>> > would work. If they do happen to remember it they are still mad at you
>>> since
>>> > "you told them so" and of course, nobody can be mad at themselves.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Don't.
>>> >>
>>> >> It'll work, then it won't. Then it will, then it won't.
>>> >>
>>> >> I guess it depends on how important this is to your reputation vs
>>> cost.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Aug 28, 2017 10:53 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Yea, that is my initial thought as well. I am hoping by
>>> >>>
>>> >>> being inside
>>> >>> being very close to the AP
>>> >>> being lucky?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I might be able to make this work.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM Josh Reynolds >> >
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their licensed
>>>  radio offerings, and even that isn't through them.
>>> 
>>>  I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some
>>> wireless.
>>> 
>>>  I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no
>>> other
>>>  option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the
>>> problem
>>>  is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference
>>> and
>>>  distortion.
>>> 
>>>  A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all
>>>  together.
>>> 
>>>  On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at
>>>  some point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch
>>> down I
>>>  could only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed.
>>> By the
>>>  length it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut
>>> and
>>>  re-terminated.
>>> 
>>>  Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
>>>  installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP
>>> supported VLAN,
>>>  DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.
>>> 
>>>  I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for
>>> voice
>>>  and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus
>>> entry
>>>  level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and
>>> appears to have
>>>  all the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it
>>> looks like
>>>  Ubiquiti is a license.
>>> 
>>>  Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Josh Reynolds]

Only if overlapping. I've largely ended 2.4ghz use in my home.

On Aug 28, 2017 1:09 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Dedicated APs cause more interference. :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 1:09:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP
>
> I was leaning to having a dedicated AP for the phones. I would think that
> would help but still not ideal. If it goes that way I'll give you a shout.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:31 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> If you decide to do this, shoot me an email. I'm happy to offer some
>> tips as to how to make this work best on UniFi. Like I said, I *do*
>> run it at home, but no wireless VOIP solution is without it's hiccups.
>> It depends a lot on the demands put on the wireless network, the
>> environment, usage patterns, etc.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>> > Yea, even when you tell people "I don't recommend this, you likely
>> won't be
>> > happy. But you are an adult and can make your own decisions." They come
>> back
>> > in 3 weeks whining about how bad whatever it was is and how you
>> promised it
>> > would work. If they do happen to remember it they are still mad at you
>> since
>> > "you told them so" and of course, nobody can be mad at themselves.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Don't.
>> >>
>> >> It'll work, then it won't. Then it will, then it won't.
>> >>
>> >> I guess it depends on how important this is to your reputation vs cost.
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 28, 2017 10:53 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Yea, that is my initial thought as well. I am hoping by
>> >>>
>> >>> being inside
>> >>> being very close to the AP
>> >>> being lucky?
>> >>>
>> >>> I might be able to make this work.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM Josh Reynolds 
>> >>> wrote:
>> 
>>  There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their licensed
>>  radio offerings, and even that isn't through them.
>> 
>>  I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some
>> wireless.
>> 
>>  I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no
>> other
>>  option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the
>> problem
>>  is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference and
>>  distortion.
>> 
>>  A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all
>>  together.
>> 
>>  On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at
>>  some point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch
>> down I
>>  could only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By
>> the
>>  length it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and
>>  re-terminated.
>> 
>>  Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
>>  installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP
>> supported VLAN,
>>  DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.
>> 
>>  I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for
>> voice
>>  and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus
>> entry
>>  level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears
>> to have
>>  all the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it
>> looks like
>>  Ubiquiti is a license.
>> 
>>  Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?
>> 
>> 
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Mike Hammett]

Dedicated APs cause more interference. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 1:09:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP 


I was leaning to having a dedicated AP for the phones. I would think that would 
help but still not ideal. If it goes that way I'll give you a shout. 


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:31 PM Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 


If you decide to do this, shoot me an email. I'm happy to offer some 
tips as to how to make this work best on UniFi. Like I said, I *do* 
run it at home, but no wireless VOIP solution is without it's hiccups. 
It depends a lot on the demands put on the wireless network, the 
environment, usage patterns, etc. 

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 
> Yea, even when you tell people "I don't recommend this, you likely won't be 
> happy. But you are an adult and can make your own decisions." They come back 
> in 3 weeks whining about how bad whatever it was is and how you promised it 
> would work. If they do happen to remember it they are still mad at you since 
> "you told them so" and of course, nobody can be mad at themselves. 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> Don't. 
>> 
>> It'll work, then it won't. Then it will, then it won't. 
>> 
>> I guess it depends on how important this is to your reputation vs cost. 
>> 
>> On Aug 28, 2017 10:53 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Yea, that is my initial thought as well. I am hoping by 
>>> 
>>> being inside 
>>> being very close to the AP 
>>> being lucky? 
>>> 
>>> I might be able to make this work. 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
>>> wrote: 
 
 There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their licensed 
 radio offerings, and even that isn't through them. 
 
 I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some wireless. 
 
 I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no other 
 option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the problem 
 is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference and 
 distortion. 
 
 A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all 
 together. 
 
 On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
 wrote: 
 
 I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at 
 some point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch down I 
 could only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By the 
 length it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and 
 re-terminated. 
 
 Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering 
 installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP supported 
 VLAN, 
 DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well. 
 
 I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for voice 
 and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus entry 
 level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears to 
 have 
 all the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it looks like 
 Ubiquiti is a license. 
 
 Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear? 
 
 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Lewis Bergman]

I was leaning to having a dedicated AP for the phones. I would think that
would help but still not ideal. If it goes that way I'll give you a shout.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:31 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> If you decide to do this, shoot me an email. I'm happy to offer some
> tips as to how to make this work best on UniFi. Like I said, I *do*
> run it at home, but no wireless VOIP solution is without it's hiccups.
> It depends a lot on the demands put on the wireless network, the
> environment, usage patterns, etc.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
> > Yea, even when you tell people "I don't recommend this, you likely won't
> be
> > happy. But you are an adult and can make your own decisions." They come
> back
> > in 3 weeks whining about how bad whatever it was is and how you promised
> it
> > would work. If they do happen to remember it they are still mad at you
> since
> > "you told them so" and of course, nobody can be mad at themselves.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Don't.
> >>
> >> It'll work, then it won't. Then it will, then it won't.
> >>
> >> I guess it depends on how important this is to your reputation vs cost.
> >>
> >> On Aug 28, 2017 10:53 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yea, that is my initial thought as well. I am hoping by
> >>>
> >>> being inside
> >>> being very close to the AP
> >>> being lucky?
> >>>
> >>> I might be able to make this work.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM Josh Reynolds 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their licensed
>  radio offerings, and even that isn't through them.
> 
>  I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some wireless.
> 
>  I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no
> other
>  option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the
> problem
>  is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference and
>  distortion.
> 
>  A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all
>  together.
> 
>  On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>  wrote:
> 
>  I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at
>  some point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch down
> I
>  could only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By
> the
>  length it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and
>  re-terminated.
> 
>  Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
>  installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP
> supported VLAN,
>  DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.
> 
>  I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for
> voice
>  and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus
> entry
>  level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears
> to have
>  all the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it looks
> like
>  Ubiquiti is a license.
> 
>  Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?
> 
> 
> >
>

[AFMUG] 450M default pins

[Carl Peterson]

What are the default pins on a 450m with POE out set on the aux port.  It is 
set to use the SFP but I'm getting nada on that port even with a patch cable 
and their SFP. It links fine but is sending zero packets.  Hopefully with a 
reset it will at least work on the copper port.

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Josh Reynolds]

If you decide to do this, shoot me an email. I'm happy to offer some
tips as to how to make this work best on UniFi. Like I said, I *do*
run it at home, but no wireless VOIP solution is without it's hiccups.
It depends a lot on the demands put on the wireless network, the
environment, usage patterns, etc.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> Yea, even when you tell people "I don't recommend this, you likely won't be
> happy. But you are an adult and can make your own decisions." They come back
> in 3 weeks whining about how bad whatever it was is and how you promised it
> would work. If they do happen to remember it they are still mad at you since
> "you told them so" and of course, nobody can be mad at themselves.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Don't.
>>
>> It'll work, then it won't. Then it will, then it won't.
>>
>> I guess it depends on how important this is to your reputation vs cost.
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 10:53 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yea, that is my initial thought as well. I am hoping by
>>>
>>> being inside
>>> being very close to the AP
>>> being lucky?
>>>
>>> I might be able to make this work.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:

 There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their licensed
 radio offerings, and even that isn't through them.

 I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some wireless.

 I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no other
 option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the problem
 is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference and
 distortion.

 A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all
 together.

 On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

 I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at
 some point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch down I
 could only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By the
 length it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and
 re-terminated.

 Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
 installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP supported 
 VLAN,
 DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.

 I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for voice
 and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus entry
 level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears to 
 have
 all the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it looks like
 Ubiquiti is a license.

 Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?


>

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Lewis Bergman]

If you do an OTDR on fiber, coax, or anything else that attenuation matters
on you often can see ripples. When you zoom in it is spaced at every
interval that is tied. Heliax isn't as bad with zip ties, which only last a
couple ears anyway, but copper wire 10AWG ties are common and it is easy to
tighten those to tight. Plays hell on impedance matching when you change
the shape every 3 feet.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:52 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It's easy to make them too tight.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 11:46:36 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?
>
> How?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/28/2017 12:32:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?
>
> Zip ties can break fiber.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 11:03:35 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?
>
> Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis?  I think it's ATT fiber.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Lewis Bergman]

Yea, even when you tell people "I don't recommend this, you likely won't be
happy. But you are an adult and can make your own decisions." They come
back in 3 weeks whining about how bad whatever it was is and how you
promised it would work. If they do happen to remember it they are still mad
at you since "you told them so" and of course, nobody can be mad at
themselves.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:32 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Don't.
>
> It'll work, then it won't. Then it will, then it won't.
>
> I guess it depends on how important this is to your reputation vs cost.
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 10:53 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Yea, that is my initial thought as well. I am hoping by
>>
>>1. being inside
>>2. being very close to the AP
>>3. being lucky?
>>
>> I might be able to make this work.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
> There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their licensed radio
>>> offerings, and even that isn't through them.
>>>
>>> I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some wireless.
>>>
>>> I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no other
>>> option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the problem
>>> is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference and
>>> distortion.
>>>
>>> A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all together.
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at
>>> some point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch down I
>>> could only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By the
>>> length it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and
>>> re-terminated.
>>>
>>> Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
>>> installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP supported
>>> VLAN, DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.
>>>
>>> I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for voice
>>> and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus entry
>>> level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears to
>>> have all the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it looks
>>> like Ubiquiti is a license.
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Mike Hammett]

It's easy to make them too tight. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:46:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber? 


How? 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/28/2017 12:32:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber? 





Zip ties can break fiber. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:03:35 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber? 

Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis? I think it's ATT fiber. 

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Adam Moffett]

How?


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/28/2017 12:32:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?


Zip ties can break fiber.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:03:35 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis?  I think it's ATT fiber.

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Josh Reynolds]

Don't.

It'll work, then it won't. Then it will, then it won't.

I guess it depends on how important this is to your reputation vs cost.

On Aug 28, 2017 10:53 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Yea, that is my initial thought as well. I am hoping by
>
>1. being inside
>2. being very close to the AP
>3. being lucky?
>
> I might be able to make this work.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their licensed
>> radio offerings, and even that isn't through them.
>>
>> I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some wireless.
>>
>> I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no other
>> option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the problem
>> is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference and
>> distortion.
>>
>> A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all together.
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at some
>> point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch down I could
>> only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By the length
>> it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and
>> re-terminated.
>>
>> Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
>> installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP supported
>> VLAN, DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.
>>
>> I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for voice
>> and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus entry
>> level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears to
>> have all the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it looks
>> like Ubiquiti is a license.
>>
>> Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Mike Hammett]

Zip ties can break fiber. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:03:35 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber? 

Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis? I think it's ATT fiber. 

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Josh Reynolds]

If it's armored, it's not likely to cause any issue.

On Aug 28, 2017 11:03 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis?  I think it's ATT fiber.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha!

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 28, 2017 10:24 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> zip ties are rarely appropriate, for anything, other than handcuffs in
> mass arrests
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> eh, better than duck tape or the giant wad of electrical tape I suppose.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/17 12:03 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis?  I think it's ATT fiber.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Steve Jones]

zip ties are rarely appropriate, for anything, other than handcuffs in mass
arrests

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> eh, better than duck tape or the giant wad of electrical tape I suppose.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 8/28/17 12:03 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis?  I think it's ATT fiber.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Mark Radabaugh]

eh, better than duck tape or the giant wad of electrical tape I suppose.

Mark

On 8/28/17 12:03 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis?  I think it's ATT fiber.

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Lewis Bergman]

No political action better than reaction other than over reaction.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 11:11 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
>> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I tired
>> to offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after that and
>> it just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got done.
>> Nobody seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The shelters in
>> some parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target as well
>> right now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon be
>> overtaken by water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred
>> people there. It's a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting
>> either Samaritan's Purse or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized
>> huge convoys of trucks with everything from food and water to laundry
>> trucks, to shower trucks, etc. I wonder if they have ever considered
>> communications? It might be worth while to have them build a few comms
>> trucks with hydraulic masts that could be quickly deployed and get
>> bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just such events. It could be outfitted
>> with a bunch of couches, usb charging ports, and few APs inside/outside to
>> provide communications quickly outside of shelters.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up basic
>>> outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and
>>> video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people
>>> who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.

 On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> Thanks for posting these
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>
> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug
> 26 to Aug 27
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf
>
> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26
> report)
> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)
>
> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like
> they come out at 11:30 each morning
>
> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson <
> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>
>> From NANOG last night.
>>
>>
>> Hurrican Harvey DIRS report
>>
>> 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
>> 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching
>> centers
>> out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
>> 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio, TX
>> have
>> more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
>> 9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP
>>
>> Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of service.
>>
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain areas,
>>> with > 10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport seems to be the
>>> hardest hit.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 8/27/2017 9:11 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
 Hey guys , anyone getting hammered with rain and winds down in Hill
 Country areas? Tushar, Alan? Some flooding in San Antonio and 
 especially
 Houston  but haven't heard about Austin, Llano, Marble Falls, etc. I 
 have
 some Cambium 180s spares and one Epmp1000 .. stay safe

 Jaime Solorza

>>>
>>>
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Jaime Solorza]

Abbot just called out all Texas National Guard!! About 12000 members...

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 28, 2017 8:33 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I tired to
> offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after that and it
> just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got done. Nobody
> seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The shelters in some
> parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target as well right
> now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon be overtaken by
> water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred people there. It's
> a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting either Samaritan's Purse
> or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized huge convoys of trucks
> with everything from food and water to laundry trucks, to shower trucks,
> etc. I wonder if they have ever considered communications? It might be
> worth while to have them build a few comms trucks with hydraulic masts that
> could be quickly deployed and get bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just
> such events. It could be outfitted with a bunch of couches, usb charging
> ports, and few APs inside/outside to provide communications quickly outside
> of shelters.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up basic
>> outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and
>> video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people
>> who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 Thanks for posting these

 Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
 To: 
 Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
 Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM

 Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug 26
 to Aug 27

 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf

 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26
 report)
 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)

 Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like
 they come out at 11:30 each morning

 https://www.fcc.gov/harvey







 On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson <
 ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:

> From NANOG last night.
>
>
> Hurrican Harvey DIRS report
>
> 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
> 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching
> centers
> out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
> 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio, TX
> have
> more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
> 9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP
>
> Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of service.
>
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain areas,
>> with > 10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport seems to be the
>> hardest hit.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 8/27/2017 9:11 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys , anyone getting hammered with rain and winds down in Hill
>>> Country areas? Tushar, Alan? Some flooding in San Antonio and especially
>>> Houston  but haven't heard about Austin, Llano, Marble Falls, etc. I 
>>> have
>>> some Cambium 180s spares and one Epmp1000 .. stay safe
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>
>>

>

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Jay Weekley]

There is a gouge in one of the cables with gel running out as well.

Chuck McCown wrote:
I guess it depends on how tight.  If the strand is deflected it will 
affect it.


-Original Message- From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

Good Idea: No
Will it hurt: Not likely.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis?  I think it's ATT fiber.

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Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Chuck McCown]

I guess it depends on how tight.  If the strand is deflected it will affect 
it.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]

Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 10:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

Good Idea: No
Will it hurt: Not likely.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis?  I think it's ATT fiber. 

Re: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Good Idea: No
Will it hurt: Not likely.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Zip ties on fiber?

Is this appropriate even on a temporary basis?  I think it's ATT fiber.

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Lewis Bergman]

Yea, that is my initial thought as well. I am hoping by

   1. being inside
   2. being very close to the AP
   3. being lucky?

I might be able to make this work.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their licensed radio
> offerings, and even that isn't through them.
>
> I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some wireless.
>
> I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no other
> option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the problem
> is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference and
> distortion.
>
> A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all together.
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at some
> point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch down I could
> only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By the length
> it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and
> re-terminated.
>
> Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
> installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP supported
> VLAN, DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.
>
> I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for voice
> and 802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus entry
> level. I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears to
> have all the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it looks
> like Ubiquiti is a license.
>
> Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Cameron Crum]

Some billing systems produce all the files you need, with no need for third
party services.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Jesse DuPont  wrote:

> Mike is talking about "deployment data" (represented as covered census
> blocks) wouldn't come from billing system. This wouldn't come from a
> billing system, it would come from something like a towercoverage.com 477
> export. Blocks are generally very small.
>
> Plat would export subscriber data, which would be by tract, by plan.
> Tracts are generally much larger than blocks, especially in rural areas.
>
> That being said, there shouldn't ever be any subscriber data where that
> tract doesn't have several blocks represented as covered by your deployment
> data, at least not anything grossly far away. It's certainly possible that
> there are customers where your deployment data doesn't represent (maybe you
> did a point to point link to a large ranch of some kind, have 4-5 services
> out there, but never added that ranch AP to your coverage - you'll have
> customers in that tract, but no deployment data showing you cover it).
>
> One ISP I work with uses Plat and in some cases, the ISP only has the
> customer's billing address in Plat, which is out of state. When we export
> for 477, they show subscribers out of state in areas the deployment data
> doesn't support. We manually clean these up; we sort the 477 export by
> FIPS, find the out of area ones, "move" them to other populous FIPS
> locations and submit it. It's not perfect and generally less than 1%, but
> it does make it cleaner. If a "service address" had been entered in Plat
> with the correct local address, it would have geocoded it correctly,
> ignoring the billing address.
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 8/28/17 8:27 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Maybe they resell something in that other location.  If they're using a
> system (like Plat) which generates covered blocks based on where your
> customers are, then something you resell in another area would show up in
> the report.
>
> I'm wondering what the opinion is on partially covered blocks these days.
> If you cover a portion of a census block, do you claim it or not?  I think
> many operators (including some large ones) are claiming coverage of any
> census block they touch.  I've heard at least one claim that it's a
> defensive move to prevent people getting government funding to overbuild
> them.  Incidentally, it also prevents *yourself *from getting government
> funding to build there so I'm thinking it isn't such a wise choice.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/28/2017 9:36:02 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
>
> On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated
> coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In
> doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously
> based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census
> blocks in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and
> not an expansion network.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Josh Reynolds]

There is no license with anything Ubiquiti other than their licensed radio
offerings, and even that isn't through them.

I do run several VoIP endpoints in my home. Some wired, some wireless.

I would never recommend wireless to feed VoIP unless there was no other
option. It doesn't matter if you vlan, have proper dscp, etc - the problem
is the nature of the media and it's suceptability to interference and
distortion.

A sip dect handset to a wired basestation is another animal all together.

On Aug 28, 2017 10:10 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at some
point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch down I could
only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By the length
it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and
re-terminated.

Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP supported
VLAN, DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.

I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for voice and
802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus entry level.
I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears to have all
the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it looks like
Ubiquiti is a license.

Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Steve Jones]

holy cow, we just became a nationwide ISP. Im big time right now, Im gonna
need to get a huge hat

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It doesn't matter whose infrastructure it is. Whomever bills the end-user
> claims the subscriber.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 10:19:52 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
>
> reselling a connection is legit for 477 purposes? We do that but i never
> claimed it since its not our infrastructure.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Bob Telephone Company from Bob, Montana probably doesn't have any
>> customers in Missouri. That sort of thing.
>>
>> As Cameron suggested, some is from billing address vs. installation
>> address. Some is geocoding errors. Some is just crappy systems. Some might
>> actually be that they are selling someone a T1 service way out of area. In
>> that last case, it would be legit.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 9:27:24 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
>>
>>
>> Maybe they resell something in that other location.  If they're using a
>> system (like Plat) which generates covered blocks based on where your
>> customers are, then something you resell in another area would show up in
>> the report.
>>
>> I'm wondering what the opinion is on partially covered blocks these
>> days.  If you cover a portion of a census block, do you claim it or not?  I
>> think many operators (including some large ones) are claiming coverage of
>> any census block they touch.  I've heard at least one claim that it's a
>> defensive move to prevent people getting government funding to overbuild
>> them.  Incidentally, it also prevents *yourself *from getting government
>> funding to build there so I'm thinking it isn't such a wise choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/28/2017 9:36:02 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
>>
>> On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated
>> coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In
>> doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously
>> based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census
>> blocks in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and
>> not an expansion network.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

[Steve Jones]

Its much worse over corn than soybeans, but then again corn is shedding
alot more water than beans, close corn seems to be worse than far corn from
the subscribers perspective.
I tell installers, with 900mhz in particular to be wary of any field path
that crosses farmland under 30 feet (10 foot corn and about 20 foot of
humidity) when installing, winter time in particular. crop rotation is an
issue too, because customers dont understand why on the second year there
are issues. Almost everytime you ask them whats in the field nearest them,
its corn year

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Right, if it's thermal ducting it's more to do with the weather than the
> crop.
>
> Thinking back now, the thing Ken Hohof was always on about was reflections
> from the corn.  He would get a gradual drop in signal as the corn grew to a
> certain heightit would last for days, not hours.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/28/2017 10:40:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>
> It happens to me shooting over a city with very little corn at all.
>
> It'll happen anywhere there may be a lack of wind and different layers of
> air density.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 9:39:38 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>
> would this still be happening if i was shooting over a bare field with no
> vegetation or is this a corn related/exagerated effect?
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Would be interesting to see a graph related to temperature and humidity
>> vs signal strength to see if there is some ducting, or even temp probes at
>> different elevations during the event Also, how does the corn plant itself
>> behave during the day? Do the leaves lift or sag or stay the same? Corn
>> leaves are pretty wide and smooth. I wonder if they could be acting like a
>> nice smooth reflective surface due to a rise of the leaves?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken said he would (where possible) position the antenna so the center of
>>> the path was passing over a tree.
>>>
>>> I guess if the issue was destructive reflections off the corn then the
>>> tree attenuates those reflections?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 8/27/2017 11:27:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>>>
>>> First time I ever heard about this was many years ago from Ken Hohof.
>>> Corn and pine trees seem to have a unique effect on RF.
>>>
>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:43 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>>>
>>> I have a customer on a PMP450 SM at 5Ghz link only 2.8 miles out. This
>>> SM normally sits at -62 or -65. Every evening for the last 2 months SM will
>>> fade to -80 or worse and sometimes even disconnecting for a couple hours
>>> then it comes right back. AP is 120 feet height customer CPE height is
>>> about 15' height
>>>
>>> There is alot of corn fields across this link i have in the past seen
>>> problems with corn links. I don't know why but shooting across corn is
>>> sometimes a problem.
>>>
>>> Other thing i thought of is the AP is mounted on top of of a very large
>>> steel grain bin that probably is heating up during the day maybe it is
>>> giving off heat when the sun first goes down we have started to get cool in
>>> the evenings here.
>>>
>>> I am about ready to move customer to a different frequency band he is
>>> pissed his Netflix is not working during prime time.
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 3]
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Mike Hammett]

It doesn't matter whose infrastructure it is. Whomever bills the end-user 
claims the subscriber. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 10:19:52 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477 


reselling a connection is legit for 477 purposes? We do that but i never 
claimed it since its not our infrastructure. 


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Bob Telephone Company from Bob, Montana probably doesn't have any customers in 
Missouri. That sort of thing. 

As Cameron suggested, some is from billing address vs. installation address. 
Some is geocoding errors. Some is just crappy systems. Some might actually be 
that they are selling someone a T1 service way out of area. In that last case, 
it would be legit. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 9:27:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477 




Maybe they resell something in that other location. If they're using a system 
(like Plat) which generates covered blocks based on where your customers are, 
then something you resell in another area would show up in the report. 


I'm wondering what the opinion is on partially covered blocks these days. If 
you cover a portion of a census block, do you claim it or not? I think many 
operators (including some large ones) are claiming coverage of any census block 
they touch. I've heard at least one claim that it's a defensive move to prevent 
people getting government funding to overbuild them. Incidentally, it also 
prevents yourself from getting government funding to build there so I'm 
thinking it isn't such a wise choice. 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/28/2017 9:36:02 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477 





On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated 
coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In 
doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously 
based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census blocks 
in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and not an 
expansion network. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

[Steve Jones]

I did this with historical weather data when we first got hit with the
summertime 900mhz death mornings. matched to the temp/humidity where i
could find good weatherstation data

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Would be interesting to see a graph related to temperature and humidity vs
> signal strength to see if there is some ducting, or even temp probes at
> different elevations during the event Also, how does the corn plant itself
> behave during the day? Do the leaves lift or sag or stay the same? Corn
> leaves are pretty wide and smooth. I wonder if they could be acting like a
> nice smooth reflective surface due to a rise of the leaves?
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Ken said he would (where possible) position the antenna so the center of
>> the path was passing over a tree.
>>
>> I guess if the issue was destructive reflections off the corn then the
>> tree attenuates those reflections?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/27/2017 11:27:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>>
>> First time I ever heard about this was many years ago from Ken Hohof.
>> Corn and pine trees seem to have a unique effect on RF.
>>
>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>>
>> I have a customer on a PMP450 SM at 5Ghz link only 2.8 miles out. This SM
>> normally sits at -62 or -65. Every evening for the last 2 months SM will
>> fade to -80 or worse and sometimes even disconnecting for a couple hours
>> then it comes right back. AP is 120 feet height customer CPE height is
>> about 15' height
>>
>> There is alot of corn fields across this link i have in the past seen
>> problems with corn links. I don't know why but shooting across corn is
>> sometimes a problem.
>>
>> Other thing i thought of is the AP is mounted on top of of a very large
>> steel grain bin that probably is heating up during the day maybe it is
>> giving off heat when the sun first goes down we have started to get cool in
>> the evenings here.
>>
>> I am about ready to move customer to a different frequency band he is
>> pissed his Netflix is not working during prime time.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 3]
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Steve Jones]

reselling a connection is legit for 477 purposes? We do that but i never
claimed it since its not our infrastructure.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Bob Telephone Company from Bob, Montana probably doesn't have any
> customers in Missouri. That sort of thing.
>
> As Cameron suggested, some is from billing address vs. installation
> address. Some is geocoding errors. Some is just crappy systems. Some might
> actually be that they are selling someone a T1 service way out of area. In
> that last case, it would be legit.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 28, 2017 9:27:24 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
>
>
> Maybe they resell something in that other location.  If they're using a
> system (like Plat) which generates covered blocks based on where your
> customers are, then something you resell in another area would show up in
> the report.
>
> I'm wondering what the opinion is on partially covered blocks these days.
> If you cover a portion of a census block, do you claim it or not?  I think
> many operators (including some large ones) are claiming coverage of any
> census block they touch.  I've heard at least one claim that it's a
> defensive move to prevent people getting government funding to overbuild
> them.  Incidentally, it also prevents *yourself *from getting government
> funding to build there so I'm thinking it isn't such a wise choice.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/28/2017 9:36:02 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
>
> On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated
> coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In
> doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously
> based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census
> blocks in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and
> not an expansion network.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>

[AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Lewis Bergman]

I am installing a VoIP system in an old building. It had CAT5 run at some
point with pretty crappy cable. Out of 29 cables on a punch down I could
only locate 5 jacks that toned, out of those only 1 passed. By the length
it is likely that those other 4 just need a few inches cut and
re-terminated.

Anyway, Only one of those is in the right place. I was considering
installing an AP to connect the VoIP phones to and if the AP supported
VLAN, DSCP and QOS, maybe let them use it for everything else as well.

I looked at the Ubiquiti UAP-AC-LITE-US which says it has WMM for voice and
802.1x. I was also looking at the Xclaim Xi-1 which is a Rukus entry level.
I trust the Rukus name more but the UAP is faster and appears to have all
the features. Rukus comes with free cloud management and it looks like
Ubiquiti is a license.

Anyone have experience with VoIP on WiFi with any of the above gear?

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Chuck McCown]

Playing both sides of this game, I can assure you that your numbers will be 
challenged by ILECs if you claim turf you don’t actually serve as your claim 
can cause them to lose money.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

Under report and you dont get in trouble, thats my motto. Not really, my motto 
is "id eat a baby if there was bacon on it"

On Aug 28, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

  On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated 
coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In 
doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously 
based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census blocks 
in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and not an 
expansion network.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

[Adam Moffett]

Right, if it's thermal ducting it's more to do with the weather than the 
crop.


Thinking back now, the thing Ken Hohof was always on about was 
reflections from the corn.  He would get a gradual drop in signal as the 
corn grew to a certain heightit would last for days, not hours.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/28/2017 10:40:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn


It happens to me shooting over a city with very little corn at all.

It'll happen anywhere there may be a lack of wind and different layers 
of air density.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 9:39:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

would this still be happening if i was shooting over a bare field with 
no vegetation or is this a corn related/exagerated effect?


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cameron Crum  
wrote:
Would be interesting to see a graph related to temperature and 
humidity vs signal strength to see if there is some ducting, or even 
temp probes at different elevations during the event Also, how does 
the corn plant itself behave during the day? Do the leaves lift or sag 
or stay the same? Corn leaves are pretty wide and smooth. I wonder if 
they could be acting like a nice smooth reflective surface due to a 
rise of the leaves?



On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
Ken said he would (where possible) position the antenna so the center 
of the path was passing over a tree.


I guess if the issue was destructive reflections off the corn then 
the tree attenuates those reflections?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/27/2017 11:27:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

First time I ever heard about this was many years ago from Ken 
Hohof.  Corn and pine trees seem to have a unique effect on RF.


From:Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:43 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

I have a customer on a PMP450 SM at 5Ghz link only 2.8 miles out. 
This SM normally sits at -62 or -65. Every evening for the last 2 
months SM will fade to -80 or worse and sometimes even disconnecting 
for a couple hours then it comes right back. AP is 120 feet height 
customer CPE height is about 15' height


There is alot of corn fields across this link i have in the past 
seen problems with corn links. I don't know why but shooting across 
corn is sometimes a problem.


Other thing i thought of is the AP is mounted on top of of a very 
large steel grain bin that probably is heating up during the day 
maybe it is giving off heat when the sun first goes down we have 
started to get cool in the evenings here.


I am about ready to move customer to a different frequency band he 
is pissed his Netflix is not working during prime time.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Mike is talking about "deployment data" (represented as covered
census blocks) wouldn't come from billing system. This wouldn't come
from a billing system, it would come from something like a
towercoverage.com 477 export. Blocks are generally very small.

Plat would export subscriber data, which would be by tract, by plan.
Tracts are generally much larger than blocks, especially in rural
areas.

That being said, there shouldn't ever be any subscriber data where
that tract doesn't have several blocks represented as covered by
your deployment data, at least not anything grossly far away. It's
certainly possible that there are customers where your deployment
data doesn't represent (maybe you did a point to point link to a
large ranch of some kind, have 4-5 services out there, but never
added that ranch AP to your coverage - you'll have customers in that
tract, but no deployment data showing you cover it).

One ISP I work with uses Plat and in some cases, the ISP only has
the customer's billing address in Plat, which is out of state. When
we export for 477, they show subscribers out of state in areas the
deployment data doesn't support. We manually clean these up; we sort
the 477 export by FIPS, find the out of area ones, "move" them to
other populous FIPS locations and submit it. It's not perfect and
generally less than 1%, but it does make it cleaner. If a "service
address" had been entered in Plat with the correct local address, it
would have geocoded it correctly, ignoring the billing address.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 8/28/17 8:27 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


  
  Maybe they resell something in that other location.  If
they're using a system (like Plat) which generates covered
blocks based on where your customers are, then something you
resell in another area would show up in the report.
  
  
  I'm wondering what the opinion is on partially covered blocks
these days.  If you cover a portion of a census block, do you
claim it or not?  I think many operators (including some large
ones) are claiming coverage of any census block they touch.
 I've heard at least one claim that it's a defensive move to
prevent people getting government funding to overbuild them.
 Incidentally, it also prevents yourself
from getting government funding to build there so I'm
thinking it isn't such a wise choice.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  -- Original Message --
  From: "Mike Hammett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/28/2017 9:36:02 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477
  
  
  

  On your Federal
Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated
coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you
actually cover. In doing some market research, I keep
finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously based out of one or
two towns in one state, but have claimed some census blocks
in other states. This seems very much so an error in the
filing and not an expansion network.


  
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  
  Midwest Internet Exchange
  
  The
Brothers WISP
  


  

  

  


  

Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

[Mike Hammett]

It happens to me shooting over a city with very little corn at all. 

It'll happen anywhere there may be a lack of wind and different layers of air 
density. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 9:39:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn 


would this still be happening if i was shooting over a bare field with no 
vegetation or is this a corn related/exagerated effect? 


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cameron Crum < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: 



Would be interesting to see a graph related to temperature and humidity vs 
signal strength to see if there is some ducting, or even temp probes at 
different elevations during the event Also, how does the corn plant itself 
behave during the day? Do the leaves lift or sag or stay the same? Corn leaves 
are pretty wide and smooth. I wonder if they could be acting like a nice smooth 
reflective surface due to a rise of the leaves? 






On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Ken said he would (where possible) position the antenna so the center of the 
path was passing over a tree. 


I guess if the issue was destructive reflections off the corn then the tree 
attenuates those reflections? 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/27/2017 11:27:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn 







First time I ever heard about this was many years ago from Ken Hohof. Corn and 
pine trees seem to have a unique effect on RF. 




From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:43 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn 





I have a customer on a PMP450 SM at 5Ghz link only 2.8 miles out. This SM 
normally sits at -62 or -65. Every evening for the last 2 months SM will fade 
to -80 or worse and sometimes even disconnecting for a couple hours then it 
comes right back. AP is 120 feet height customer CPE height is about 15' height 

There is alot of corn fields across this link i have in the past seen problems 
with corn links. I don't know why but shooting across corn is sometimes a 
problem. 

Other thing i thought of is the AP is mounted on top of of a very large steel 
grain bin that probably is heating up during the day maybe it is giving off 
heat when the sun first goes down we have started to get cool in the evenings 
here. 

I am about ready to move customer to a different frequency band he is pissed 
his Netflix is not working during prime time. 
Inline image 1Inline image 3

Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

[Kurt Fankhauser]

would this still be happening if i was shooting over a bare field with no
vegetation or is this a corn related/exagerated effect?

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Would be interesting to see a graph related to temperature and humidity vs
> signal strength to see if there is some ducting, or even temp probes at
> different elevations during the event Also, how does the corn plant itself
> behave during the day? Do the leaves lift or sag or stay the same? Corn
> leaves are pretty wide and smooth. I wonder if they could be acting like a
> nice smooth reflective surface due to a rise of the leaves?
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Ken said he would (where possible) position the antenna so the center of
>> the path was passing over a tree.
>>
>> I guess if the issue was destructive reflections off the corn then the
>> tree attenuates those reflections?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/27/2017 11:27:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>>
>> First time I ever heard about this was many years ago from Ken Hohof.
>> Corn and pine trees seem to have a unique effect on RF.
>>
>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>>
>> I have a customer on a PMP450 SM at 5Ghz link only 2.8 miles out. This SM
>> normally sits at -62 or -65. Every evening for the last 2 months SM will
>> fade to -80 or worse and sometimes even disconnecting for a couple hours
>> then it comes right back. AP is 120 feet height customer CPE height is
>> about 15' height
>>
>> There is alot of corn fields across this link i have in the past seen
>> problems with corn links. I don't know why but shooting across corn is
>> sometimes a problem.
>>
>> Other thing i thought of is the AP is mounted on top of of a very large
>> steel grain bin that probably is heating up during the day maybe it is
>> giving off heat when the sun first goes down we have started to get cool in
>> the evenings here.
>>
>> I am about ready to move customer to a different frequency band he is
>> pissed his Netflix is not working during prime time.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 3]
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Cameron Crum]

The Wisp response to Katrina was awesome thanks to Mac Dearman. I tired to
offer wifi to some of the shelters up here in Fort Worth after that and it
just turned into a bureaucratic nightmare and nothing ever got done. Nobody
seemed to know who was in charge of communications. The shelters in some
parts of Houston, as I understand it, are a moving target as well right
now. My partner's son is currently in one, but it may soon be overtaken by
water itself and they might have to evac the few hundred people there. It's
a mess for sure. Someone might consider contacting either Samaritan's Purse
or HEB here in TX as they have already mobilized huge convoys of trucks
with everything from food and water to laundry trucks, to shower trucks,
etc. I wonder if they have ever considered communications? It might be
worth while to have them build a few comms trucks with hydraulic masts that
could be quickly deployed and get bandwidth from a nearby wisp for just
such events. It could be outfitted with a bunch of couches, usb charging
ports, and few APs inside/outside to provide communications quickly outside
of shelters.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up basic
> outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and
> video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people
> who try suing for it not being "open internet'
>
> On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting these
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>>>
>>> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug 26
>>> to Aug 27
>>>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf
>>>
>>> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
>>> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26
>>> report)
>>> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)
>>>
>>> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like they
>>> come out at 11:30 each morning
>>>
>>> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson >> > wrote:
>>>
 From NANOG last night.


 Hurrican Harvey DIRS report

 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching
 centers
 out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio, TX
 have
 more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
 9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP

 Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of service.


 https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf




 On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain areas,
> with > 10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport seems to be the
> hardest hit.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/27/2017 9:11 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>> Hey guys , anyone getting hammered with rain and winds down in Hill
>> Country areas? Tushar, Alan? Some flooding in San Antonio and especially
>> Houston  but haven't heard about Austin, Llano, Marble Falls, etc. I have
>> some Cambium 180s spares and one Epmp1000 .. stay safe
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>
>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Mike Hammett]

Bob Telephone Company from Bob, Montana probably doesn't have any customers in 
Missouri. That sort of thing. 

As Cameron suggested, some is from billing address vs. installation address. 
Some is geocoding errors. Some is just crappy systems. Some might actually be 
that they are selling someone a T1 service way out of area. In that last case, 
it would be legit. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 9:27:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477 


Maybe they resell something in that other location. If they're using a system 
(like Plat) which generates covered blocks based on where your customers are, 
then something you resell in another area would show up in the report. 


I'm wondering what the opinion is on partially covered blocks these days. If 
you cover a portion of a census block, do you claim it or not? I think many 
operators (including some large ones) are claiming coverage of any census block 
they touch. I've heard at least one claim that it's a defensive move to prevent 
people getting government funding to overbuild them. Incidentally, it also 
prevents yourself from getting government funding to build there so I'm 
thinking it isn't such a wise choice. 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/28/2017 9:36:02 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477 





On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated 
coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In 
doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously 
based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census blocks 
in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and not an 
expansion network. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe they resell something in that other location.  If they're using a 
system (like Plat) which generates covered blocks based on where your 
customers are, then something you resell in another area would show up 
in the report.


I'm wondering what the opinion is on partially covered blocks these 
days.  If you cover a portion of a census block, do you claim it or not? 
 I think many operators (including some large ones) are claiming 
coverage of any census block they touch.  I've heard at least one claim 
that it's a defensive move to prevent people getting government funding 
to overbuild them.  Incidentally, it also prevents yourself from getting 
government funding to build there so I'm thinking it isn't such a wise 
choice.




-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/28/2017 9:36:02 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your 
stated coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you 
actually cover. In doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not 
just WISPs) obviously based out of one or two towns in one state, but 
have claimed some census blocks in other states. This seems very much 
so an error in the filing and not an expansion network.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

[Cameron Crum]

Would be interesting to see a graph related to temperature and humidity vs
signal strength to see if there is some ducting, or even temp probes at
different elevations during the event Also, how does the corn plant itself
behave during the day? Do the leaves lift or sag or stay the same? Corn
leaves are pretty wide and smooth. I wonder if they could be acting like a
nice smooth reflective surface due to a rise of the leaves?


On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:49 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Ken said he would (where possible) position the antenna so the center of
> the path was passing over a tree.
>
> I guess if the issue was destructive reflections off the corn then the
> tree attenuates those reflections?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/27/2017 11:27:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>
> First time I ever heard about this was many years ago from Ken Hohof.
> Corn and pine trees seem to have a unique effect on RF.
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn
>
> I have a customer on a PMP450 SM at 5Ghz link only 2.8 miles out. This SM
> normally sits at -62 or -65. Every evening for the last 2 months SM will
> fade to -80 or worse and sometimes even disconnecting for a couple hours
> then it comes right back. AP is 120 feet height customer CPE height is
> about 15' height
>
> There is alot of corn fields across this link i have in the past seen
> problems with corn links. I don't know why but shooting across corn is
> sometimes a problem.
>
> Other thing i thought of is the AP is mounted on top of of a very large
> steel grain bin that probably is heating up during the day maybe it is
> giving off heat when the sun first goes down we have started to get cool in
> the evenings here.
>
> I am about ready to move customer to a different frequency band he is
> pissed his Netflix is not working during prime time.
>
> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 3]
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Steve Jones]

Under report and you dont get in trouble, thats my motto. Not really, my
motto is "id eat a baby if there was bacon on it"

On Aug 28, 2017 8:36 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated
> coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In
> doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously
> based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census
> blocks in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and
> not an expansion network.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

[AFMUG] FCC Form 477

[Mike Hammett]

On your Federal Communications Commission Form 477, make sure your stated 
coverage is at least somewhat representative of what you actually cover. In 
doing some market research, I keep finding ISPs (not just WISPs) obviously 
based out of one or two towns in one state, but have claimed some census blocks 
in other states. This seems very much so an error in the filing and not an 
expansion network. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Steve Jones]

Was reading at is setting up temporary cell towers to bring up basic
outward commimications and limited data. Its filtering out streaming and
video. Of course when the politics takes things over, there will be people
who try suing for it not being "open internet'

On Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for posting these
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>>
>> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug 26
>> to Aug 27
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf
>>
>> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
>> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26
>> report)
>> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)
>>
>> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like they
>> come out at 11:30 each morning
>>
>> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From NANOG last night.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hurrican Harvey DIRS report
>>>
>>> 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
>>> 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching
>>> centers
>>> out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
>>> 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio, TX
>>> have
>>> more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
>>> 9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP
>>>
>>> Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of service.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain areas, with
 > 10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport seems to be the hardest
 hit.


 bp
 

 On 8/27/2017 9:11 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

> Hey guys , anyone getting hammered with rain and winds down in Hill
> Country areas? Tushar, Alan? Some flooding in San Antonio and especially
> Houston  but haven't heard about Austin, Llano, Marble Falls, etc. I have
> some Cambium 180s spares and one Epmp1000 .. stay safe
>
> Jaime Solorza
>


>>

Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

[Adam Moffett]

Ken said he would (where possible) position the antenna so the center of 
the path was passing over a tree.


I guess if the issue was destructive reflections off the corn then the 
tree attenuates those reflections?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/27/2017 11:27:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

First time I ever heard about this was many years ago from Ken Hohof.  
Corn and pine trees seem to have a unique effect on RF.


From:Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 8:43 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 5Ghz thermal fade w/ Corn

I have a customer on a PMP450 SM at 5Ghz link only 2.8 miles out. This 
SM normally sits at -62 or -65. Every evening for the last 2 months SM 
will fade to -80 or worse and sometimes even disconnecting for a couple 
hours then it comes right back. AP is 120 feet height customer CPE 
height is about 15' height


There is alot of corn fields across this link i have in the past seen 
problems with corn links. I don't know why but shooting across corn is 
sometimes a problem.


Other thing i thought of is the AP is mounted on top of of a very large 
steel grain bin that probably is heating up during the day maybe it is 
giving off heat when the sun first goes down we have started to get 
cool in the evenings here.


I am about ready to move customer to a different frequency band he is 
pissed his Netflix is not working during prime time.

Re: [AFMUG] Harvey damage

[Lewis Bergman]

I would imagine it would keep getting worse as they run out of fuel.

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:34 AM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> Thanks for posting these
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Harvey damage
> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 12:19 AM
>
> Communications getting worse from FCC DIRS report differing from Aug 26 to
> Aug 27
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346369A1.pdf
>
> 9 radio stations out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26 report)
> 6 more switching centers, 11 total out of service (up from 5 on Aug 26
> report)
> 320 total cell towers out of service (up from 315 on Aug 26 report)
>
> Will be interesting to see what the Aug 28 report shows, looks like they
> come out at 11:30 each morning
>
> https://www.fcc.gov/harvey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>> From NANOG last night.
>>
>>
>> Hurrican Harvey DIRS report
>>
>> 5 radio stations out of service (WKNC, KKTX, KUNO, KKWV, and KAYK)
>> 149,909 cable and wireline subscribers out of service (5 switching centers
>> out of service, and 38 switching centers on backup power)
>> 4% of cell sites out of service (Aransas, Reugio and San Patricio, TX have
>> more than 50% of cell sites out of service)
>> 9 PSAPs out of service or calls re-routed to another PSAP
>>
>> Aransas, TX is very rural, with only 19 cell sites, 18 out of service.
>>
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-346368A1.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> I saw reports this morning of 22+ inches of rain in certain areas, with
>>> > 10 inches expected in the next few days. Rockport seems to be the hardest
>>> hit.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 8/27/2017 9:11 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
 Hey guys , anyone getting hammered with rain and winds down in Hill
 Country areas? Tushar, Alan? Some flooding in San Antonio and especially
 Houston  but haven't heard about Austin, Llano, Marble Falls, etc. I have
 some Cambium 180s spares and one Epmp1000 .. stay safe

 Jaime Solorza

>>>
>>>
>