Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Sorry, for the double-post, do not know, how did I do that... 2012. gada 17. marts 15:13 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com rakstīja: Anyway, I still get this in error message: Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1 Can not find -sec IO -var IO -num 1 Can not find -sec TASK -var

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: I cannot see how any of those errors are eveny vaguely related to the bitfile I do understand that. The fact is that it works with this: CONFIG=firmware=hm2/7i43/SVST4_4B.BIT num_encoders=3 num_pwmgens=3 num_stepgens=0 It does not work with this:

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Looks right, though it probably should have the right number of 0's or X's for the number of sserial channels the config contains How do I find that out? The firmware is BOSSV.BIT, the one You sent to John Murphy a week or two ago. what does dmesg

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Oh OK its a ancient bit file (dmesg is much more useful) So that means that You will send me something else, right? :)) Viesturs -- This SF email is sponsosred by: Try

Re: [Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/17 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Those number do not match what I have for the BOSSVSS config so that is not a current bit file (John Murphy must have sent you an old one by mistake) Configuration Name: HOSTMOT2 General configuration information:   Module: SSerial   There are

Re: [Emc-users] Trajectory planning and other topics from a EMC(LinuxCNC) newbie

2012-03-16 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/15 Roger Holmquist ro...@abcnc.se: Hello everybody! Have just got reason to join the CNC-developing community. Considering LinuxCNC as a professional machine control system replacing older control systems versions from FANUC, Heidenhahn, Siemens etc I think that Youtube has enough

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-15 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/15 Scott Hasse scott.ha...@gmail.com: with the frequency out going to an isolated I/O daughter card input (Mesa 7i37 I believe) of a Mesa 5i23.  The problem to me seems to be the software encoder rate, which I believe I would hit with your suggestion as well. Any particular reason not

Re: [Emc-developers] Experimental web front-end for localizing LinuxCNC

2012-03-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/13 Jeff Epler jep...@unpythonic.net: It appears that if you visit an other-language page such as    http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/russian that the front page will later appear in that language by default. I just checked by opening this link and then typing www.linuxcnc.org in address

Re: [Emc-developers] HTML5 HMI

2012-03-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/13 Brad Murry bradod...@hotmail.com: You would be able to setup a nice linux box tuned for EMC and then access it from another linux machine, a windows PC , tablet or even a smart phone potentially.(smartphone control pendants would be excellent) Hmm, now that You explain it like this,

[Emc-users] Smart-serial and 7i43

2012-03-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello, gentlemen! I am trying to test the performance of 8i20 drive with my servo motors. I have 7i43 card, latest buildbot version 2.5.0-pre-2-916 and a firmware file, kindly provided by Andy Pugh. In INI file I have: CONFIG=firmware=hm2/7i43-4/SVSS4_8_48.BIT num_encoders=1 num_sserial=1

Re: [Emc-users] EMC2/Ubuntu updates - safe to install?

2012-03-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/8 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: the disposal liabilty pcs of a decade vintage have plenty of capacity to function as machine controllers, so why not repurpose them to that task rather than a dumpsite? Ok, I totally agree with the point on nature-responsible (hopefully I spelled

Re: [Emc-users] EMC2/Ubuntu updates - safe to install?

2012-03-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/8 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: the machines i work with only have tape drives and serial ports, so all cam files are sent over serial lines as text (ascii i think).  failed controller component replacement is a problem because the hardware platform does not have long term

Re: [Emc-users] EMC2/Ubuntu updates - safe to install?

2012-03-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/8 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: It's true if all you want is a machine controller and nothing else. so, again, strictly in the capacity of a machine controller, turbo cnc vs linuxcnc, the comparison and contrast results are what?  have you a basis for comparison?  do not limit

Re: [Emc-users] EMC2/Ubuntu updates - safe to install?

2012-03-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/8 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: cnczone - ive seen that before somehow. Probably You saw it mentioned in other discussion, where I posted it, but did You read it? I had a link in there that explains Your next question. the task manager of winxp has a process priority setting, with

Re: [Emc-users] State of Wizards/Druids for simple machining.

2012-03-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/8 John Stewart alex.stew...@crc.ca: Much of my model building is simple machining operations, and I *do* find myself using my old mill rather than my new CNC one, because it's just faster to throw in a bit of material and machine it. Hmm, I have yet to grow to get my first mill or

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/9 Scott Hasse scott.ha...@gmail.com:  Has anyone used a circuit with a voltage to frequency converter (LM331 or similar) to create a digital pulse train read in linuxCNC as an encoder I presume and then hooked that up to the analog m66 inputs? I have it for nozzle-height-control. I

Re: [Emc-users] Voltage to frequency for analog input

2012-03-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/9 Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com: Mesa has their THC board that I believe does exactly what you are looking for. Dave, I think that it is unclear, if the problem is with the hardware, or with the signal handling within LinuxCNC... Look at the very last item on this page:

Re: [Emc-users] State of Wizards/Druids for simple machining.

2012-03-07 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/7 John Stewart alex.stew...@crc.ca: Hi all; As we all know, Mach3 has a list of wizards to do simple things like pocketing, etc, without the need to do the g-code. I feel that NGCGUI basically is the same: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn8T5Fw0ISs Viesturs

Re: [Emc-users] EMC2/Ubuntu updates - safe to install?

2012-03-07 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/7 charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com: hmm.  has anyone else tried turbo cnc? I guess that this is not the right place to ask this question - we are LinuxCNC users here :)) And why should anyone of us use TurboCNC anyway, if LinuxCNC provides more features and better performance? With

Re: [Emc-users] State of Wizards/Druids for simple machining.

2012-03-07 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/7 Greg Bernard yankeelena2...@yahoo.com: I have to say that as a newbie 2 years ago I did a trial of both Mach and LinuxCNC. Even with practically no knowledge of Linux I found LinuxCNC to be no more difficult to set up using the LiveCD than Mach was. Could not say more precise about

Re: [Emc-users] State of Wizards/Druids for simple machining.

2012-03-07 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/8 John Stewart alex.stew...@crc.ca: Agreed. Saying that - here we go with *my* scan through the documents and how *I* missed NGCGUI. Sorry, I think that ngcgui does not fit in the category getting started with LinuxCNC, I find it to be somewhat advanced (maybe because I have no need

Re: [Emc-users] EMC2/Ubuntu updates - safe to install?

2012-03-06 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/6 Tony Zampini zampi...@cox.net: Is there a way to prevent Ubuntu from checking for updates? Yes, in Update manager settings automatic checking for updates can be turned off. But then it after few weeks will display an icon, which will tell that update information is outdated, so what I

Re: [Emc-users] Looking to replace $4000 machine for $400 machine with same results in emc :) yes its a strange title...

2012-03-05 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/5 Bart Libert (EducaSoft) educas...@gmail.com: at $250 this pico board would be a lot more expensive then the 7i43 solution As I and Jon already mentioned, Pico's card already includes things that You very lickely are going to need anyway - optoisolators on limit switch inputs, some

Re: [Emc-users] Looking to replace $4000 machine for $400 machine with same results in emc :) yes its a strange title...

2012-03-05 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/5 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: There will be a 5I25 configuration utility for Linux fairly soon. Re-configuring a 5I25 will likely never be as quite as easy as the live reconfigurable cards like the 7I43 and 5I2X, as it requires a power cycle after the new configuration is

Re: [Emc-users] Two encoders difference

2012-03-04 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/4 Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com: Hello, I have two encoders on one axis, and I'd like to see the difference between their readings with hal scope. The first encoder is on the motor, it's 'axis.0.motor-pos-fb', and the second linear encoder is connected to 'axis.1.motor-pos-fb'

Re: [Emc-users] Looking to replace $4000 machine for $400 machine with same results in emc :) yes its a strange title...

2012-03-04 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/4 Bart Libert (EducaSoft) educas...@gmail.com: So... is there any way that I could put some kind of card into my pc (a regular $400 household machine) which could take care of these timings, so that I could nicely to 50kHz, but with a lot cheaper PC ? What is that You need to do at

Re: [Emc-users] Looking to replace $4000 machine for $400 machine with same results in emc :) yes its a strange title...

2012-03-04 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/4 Bart Libert (EducaSoft) educas...@gmail.com: Where do I find that information then? Or is mesa only provider of these cards and is firmware a whole other story ? Of course, no. There are packages in LinuxCNC repository that contain firmwares of particular card for most frequently used

Re: [Emc-users] IRAMS Plan

2012-03-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/3 Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com: To make your design fool-proof you need to sense current, possibly on all three motor phases, and do it reliably and quickly in order to shutdown the IRAMS and/or pwm-source when something bad happens. Anders, can You suggest, how to

Re: [Emc-users] VFD's Without Modbus?

2012-03-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/4 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: I'm just wondering, how many out there have VFD's without Modbus or other communication and might want it on their existing drives? I built a routing machine and spindle has a VFD, which is now operated only by its control panel - Start/Stop

Re: [Emc-users] IRAMS Plan

2012-03-02 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/3/2 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: (First Message may have failed due to attachment too big) Attached is my first pass at an IRAMS circuit. It's pretty much a copy of the IRF datasheet example. The plan is to hook up the digital signals to an FPGA card, Pluto-P if I can find

Re: [Emc-users] mesa 5i25 install woes

2012-02-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/28 kqt4a...@gmail.com: I ordered the card with PROB_RFX2 firmware to drive a probotix controller I am not 100% sure but I thought I would only need to change the addresss in my ini file I have set up 2 machines with 5i25 and also with 5i23. I do not remember any address for pci cards

Re: [Emc-users] mesa 5i25 install woes

2012-02-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/28 kqt4a...@gmail.com: On Tue, 28 Feb 2012, Viesturs Lācis wrote: I have set up 2 machines with 5i25 and also with 5i23. I do not remember any address for pci cards in INI or HAL files. Could You, please, explain, what kind of address You mean? In my .hal file 'loadrt hal_parport

Re: [Emc-users] mesa 5i25 install woes (fwd)

2012-02-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/28 kqt4a...@gmail.com: Now I have CONFIG= And that is it? No stepgens or pwmgens or encoder modules loaded? Paste Your INI and HAL files somewhere for public review. Viesturs -- Keep Your Developer Skills

Re: [Emc-users] mesa 5i25 install woes (fwd)

2012-02-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/28 kqt4a...@gmail.com: '/usr/realtime-2.6.32-122-rtai/modules/emc2/hm2_pci.ko': -1 No such device My unqualified guess is that 5i25 card is not recognized. I will leave this for more knowledgeable users to comment. Do You have a chance to attach the HDD and 5i25 to another motherboard

Re: [Emc-users] mesa 5i25 install woes (fwd)

2012-02-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/28 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com: Viesturs You must have a firmware=whatever.bit somewhere... Could it be in your hal file?  Otherwise I don't think it will work.. No, 5i25 is different from other Mesa pci cards, the firmware is loaded and stored right in the card. When I

Re: [Emc-developers] what is the development process for linux cnc?

2012-02-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/27 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: Mark Haynes wrote:   Is linuxCNC currently funded? Never has been, and a number of board and other members have said never will be! I'm not sure I agree with that, but there has been a strong sentiment to not let it be beholden to some company.  I

Re: [Emc-users] OT - Andy Pugh

2012-02-26 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/26 Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com: I think there be bugs http://www.clipperroundtheworld.com/index.php/teams/derry-londonderry//crew-profiles/crew/ At least in this link Andy has his real picture, I have no idea who is the guy in the link of the very first post :) Viesturs

Re: [Emc-users] Custom M-code using mesa 5i20

2012-02-25 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/25 Lee Osborne l...@lomach.com: Hi   Can anyone help with making a user m code for a digital output on a mesa 5i20, 7i33 and 7i37 set up.  I have managed to get all the servos working and coolant but I have extra digital outputs connected to solenoids for a toolchanger.  I have tried

Re: [Emc-users] Latency - was Re: Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-20 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/20 Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com: My question is; if one built a headless system(no video) and disabled drivers wherever possible, would such a system be fast enough to run DC servo's and read the encoders on the parallel port? As Andrew mentioned, for normal speed with

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-20 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/20 Erik Friesen e...@aercon.net: It seems that there needs to be functionality built in to allow something down the line of kmotion? perhaps? I took a quick look at their homepage and their product descriptions. Probably I missed something, but what is that additional functionality that

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/19 Alan Browning ajbrowning2...@yahoo.com: I'm in the beginning stages of planning a DIY CNC machine using Ubuntu and LinuxCNC. The Problematic Hardware section of the doc says that onboard video is problematic. I think that the statement about onboard video cards being problematic is

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/19 Alan Browning ajbrowning2...@yahoo.com: Thanks for the quick response. So you build your machines from the ground up with new componenets? Due to budget limitations I have to build things on the cheap. 2 of those machines were completely new builds, 2 were retrofits, one of the

Re: [Emc-users] Is there a way to get the D525MW to boot up when the AC power is applied?

2012-02-18 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/18 Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com: 2012/2/18 Don Stanley dstanley1...@gmail.com It is kind of a bother to apply power to the system, then have to open the electronics cabinet and push that funny little button. That's what I thought too. And that is why I brought the Power

Re: [Emc-developers] Recording Machine Movements (Spiderdab)

2012-02-14 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/14 Spiderdab 77...@tiscali.it: what if (talking about mm units) i exagerate the P value to..let's say 1000 mm, in a 'spline' made of a thousand of 1mm lines? What the machine is expected to do? It would do the shortest and fastest move from start to finish, taking into account the max

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/13 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com: Any chance You might share something, because now I do not see a chance to understand the logics, how is all the THC thing working. My apologies, I had missed the link to PDF file. Viesturs

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/13 Tom Easterday tom-...@bgp.nu: We talk about the distance in the Motors section. We have the Keling KL-34GH101 10:1 gearboxes on the X and Y joints (http://kelinginc.net/CNCGEARBOX.html) with a 2 diameter pinion gear. 1 rev moves the truck 0.6283”. Sorry, now that You mention I

Re: [Emc-users] wiki addition GantryPlasmaMachine

2012-02-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/13 Tom Easterday tom-...@bgp.nu: We have not noticed that any parts on the machine get warm to the touch. Tom, thank You for sharing! I asked about the heat because I once had a talk with local guys that are local dealers of some foreign plasma table manufacturer and that were thinking

Re: [Emc-users] IRAMS

2012-02-12 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/11 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 11 February 2012 18:04, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: Andy, I recall seeing a picture from you with a blown IRAMS. I'm hoping to order some, but I would like to learn what I can before hooking them up. Do you have any on-line notes

Re: [Emc-users] IRAMS

2012-02-12 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/12 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 12 February 2012 08:46, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Could You point out some links? I did not find anything motor drive related in his site. http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/06/first-steps-with-brushless-servodrive-microchip

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com:  I see a problem with using gcode generating software languages to machine complex geometries. So, another conclusion from this discussion would be Do Cutsim instead !? Joseph Coffland seems to have independently made great progress at

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com: -Original Message- From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] Sent: den 8 februari 2012 08:28 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 8 February 2012 14:02, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Erik proposed this line: Arc CW X0 Y1 Centre X1 Y0.5 Feedrate 25 Is centre x1 y0,5 are incremental distance from current point or absolute coordinates of center point? I think

Re: [Emc-users] Do CAM instead? [Was: New dialects]

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 Erik Christiansen dva...@internode.on.net: Experiments with new grammars are only to see if there are benefits to _some_ users in having a more explicit input syntax, which is then converted to gcode. Thank You for clarification! I am all right now :) Viesturs

Re: [Emc-users] Add New Thread

2012-02-08 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/8 Spiderdab 77...@tiscali.it: In the same link is written also that one can add a new thread, if the base thread period is different from what needed (mine was 49k and something..). So do you think is better to add a new thread dedicated to the SCHP (charge-pump), or to lower the

Re: [Emc-users] pluto FPGA on LPT

2012-02-07 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/7 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 14:40 +0100, Claude Froidevaux wrote: In case I'm doomed, I will most probably try with a mesa 5I25 board. Can anyone confirm that it work ? (this time I ask first !!) I've gotten mine to work okay, so it can be done.

Re: [Emc-users] pluto FPGA on LPT

2012-02-07 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/7 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 22:20 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/2/7 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 14:40 +0100, Claude Froidevaux wrote: In case I'm doomed, I will most probably try with a mesa 5I25 board

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-07 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/7 Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com: From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] On 6 February 2012 23:23, Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com wrote: [AXIS_3] TYPE = LINEAR Tried that, no appearent effect. That is because there is very little effect. I find this:

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-06 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/5 Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com: Thanks Gene, change in [TRAJ] was the cure. From your post: [AXIS_3] TYPE = ANGULAR HOME = 0.0 MAX_VELOCITY = 30.0 MAX_ACCELERATION = 200.0 STEPGEN_MAXACCEL = 300.0 Not immediately obvious, why is MAX_VELOCITY used here, not

Re: [Emc-users] AXIS default jog speed on A-axis

2012-02-06 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012. gada 6. februāris 21:15 Lars Andersson l...@larsandersson.com rakstīja: How can I make [AXIS_3] linear? [AXIS_3] TYPE = LINEAR It just does not make sense to me to treat extruder as another axis, whose velocity would determine the amount of extruded material, because the machine is

Re: [Emc-users] US Digital encoders?

2012-02-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/3 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Is it possible that you have some binding or tracking issues? The 7I39L has a current limit of 15A/phase If you exceed ths current, you will suddenly have a drastic change in your tuning as you will lose the inherent damping of a voltage mode drive.

Re: [Emc-users] US Digital encoders?

2012-02-02 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/31 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: This can be mitigated by putting a common mode choke (Big ferrite bead) over the three motor leads (DO NOT include the ground lead) 1) I wrapped each of 3 power wires for motor around a separate ferrite bead. 2) I connected machine frame to common

Re: [Emc-users] US Digital encoders?

2012-02-02 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/2 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 2 February 2012 15:09, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be anything else, but the encoder problem? It could be an unfortunate resonance between the mechanical frequency of the machine frame and the servo loop. This might be why

Re: [Emc-users] US Digital encoders?

2012-01-31 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/31 Tom Easterday tom-...@bgp.nu: Do you have differential drivers for the encoders or are you running them single ended? Single ended.  I would put the encoder signals on an oscilloscope and see what they look like to the controller. Since I do not have oscilloscope, it seems like

Re: [Emc-users] US Digital encoders?

2012-01-31 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/31 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: The three phase PWM is a fair noise source. Not just capacitively coupled noise from the three motor wires but inductively coupled noise due to current spikes from the 28V PWM driving into the motors winding/frame capacitance. This can be mitigated

Re: [Emc-users] Nitpicking , was: Servo tuning - wt_?

2012-01-30 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/29 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: Maybe I'm too picky, but WT_ may be considered offensive to some. I sincerely apologize, if anyone felt it inappropriate! Viesturs -- Try before you buy = See our

Re: [Emc-users] US Digital encoders?

2012-01-30 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/30 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Before you change encoders, and noting that others have used the CUI/AMT encoders with success, can you try a little experiment to make sure this is not a noise -- losing count/commutation issue? Thank You for the explanation! I really appreciate

Re: [Emc-users] US Digital encoders?

2012-01-30 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/30 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: I am suggesting this test because  if there is a noise problem, different encoders may not help. Of course, I totally agree, but I just did not see a reason for noise by now. A possible noise source is the PWM signals. This can couple into the

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-29 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Peter, just as the name of threads says, I am trying to tune servo motors, not steppers :) I just checked - the supply voltage is 27,9 VDC, because 7i39 drives have 28 VDC limit. Ohh, and there is update: The motor that yesterday worked fine at 4000 mm/min, today is not working fine at that speed

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-29 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/29 Spiderdab 77...@tiscali.it: Hallo Viesturs, i don't remember who suggested, but i've read, with those encoders, it's better to glue them to the rotating axle, because they can slip at high speeds and during fast accelerations. Thanks! I already did that this morning. Did not help...

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-29 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/29 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 29 January 2012 15:10, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: I am now reading a thread, started by Jon Elson in June 2011 on developers' list about these encoders. It turns out that they have acceleration lag, so overall conclusion - do

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-29 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/29 Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de: Viesturs, if your laser seems too bulky - have you tried transporting the beam to the work head via optic fibres? The laser itself is less than 100g, so that is not the problem. The machine itself has heavy construction as its primary task is wood

Re: [Emc-users] Homing

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/28 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: mux2 doesn't work with boolean data, unfortunately. I do not know, what is boolean, but You are right - it did not want to work, because limit/homing switches are bit pins, mux2 inputs and output are float. So I created mux2bit component, where I fixed

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/28 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: I tried 3 times switching back and forth - with PID disconected and BLDC value set to 0,95 motor does not move. Thats very strange, the motor should run at full speed with a fixed bldc drive value. Can you post your hal file somewhere (like

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012. gada 28. janvāris 18:14 noel noel.ro...@comcast.net rakstīja: All interested in Servo Tuning. Have a look at: http://support.motioneng.com/Downloads-Notes/Tuning/default.htm In the link from Noel I find that all three (well, the last maybe not that much) PID tuning methods:

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/28 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Sounds like your commutation is wrong, no amount of tuning will help this (wrong Hall order if you are using Halls wron paratmeyets if you are using q mode etc etc) Any tips on troubleshooting? Viesturs

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/28 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: If it feels coggy or snaps to other null (no force) positions, commutation is not working (in h mode this likely means the Halls are not connected/notconnected right or the hall mode is wrong Is bldc.n.pattern meant with hall mode? Viesturs

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/28 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: You could also verify that the Hall signals connected to the BLDC component are identical for the working and non working axis (with HALMeter) as you slowly rotate the motor shaft (with 0 P) I will just switch off motor power, Hall and encoder

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/28 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com: 2012/1/28 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: You could also verify that the Hall signals connected to the BLDC component are identical for the working and non working axis (with HALMeter) as you slowly rotate the motor shaft (with 0 P) I

Re: [Emc-users] Homing

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Thank You very much! I tested and can confirm - this is fixed. I knew this had to be something stupid :) Viesturs 2012/1/28 Frank Tkalcevic fr...@franksworkshop.com.au: In AXIS_1 and AXIS_2 section, you have HOME defined twice.  Once at 0, the other at 10.0. -Original Message- From:

Re: [Emc-users] Homing

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
The best part was that I had it working for other joints, but not for joint 2. I do not know, how many times I looked through those INI settings... I know that I am extremely good at not seeing things in front of my eyes. Especially when I need to find some tool that I used few minutes earlier and

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/28 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Can you verify that in addition your raw encoder count the same way? How do You mean - count the same way? If I understand correctly, then I tested this: If both motors turned clockwise Then rawcounts increase in positive direction for _both_

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-28 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/28 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: OK so commutation is ok, but somthing is funny here. You said it oscillated even with a P of 1 and all else 0. Did it not oscillate with a P of 3? what is the difference between the setup now and when it oscillates? I will try to explain: I am

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i23 7i39 - possible damage?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
: it actually has 5,4V between +5V and GND. I think that voltages, when output is true are ok, but I think that there is something wrong with the false state. Am I missing something here? Viesturs 2012/1/27 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com: Hello! In my attempts to understand, why I

[Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello, folks! I would appreciate some advice on servo tuning. I have Keling Nema23 BLDC servo motors attached to Mesa 7i39. And also zero experience with this :) The way I am doing the tuning is: 1) start Emc, hit F1 and F2; 2) open Machine - Calibration; 3) change P value, for example, from 1

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:45:30 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)     emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller

Re: [Emc-users] Mesa 5i23 7i39 - possible damage?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 08:10, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: When output is false: There are 3,46V between 5i23 pin and GND. There are 1,68V between 5i23 pin and +5V. When output is true: There are 0.6V between 5i23 pin and GND

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: I have been playing only with P parameter so far, following this guideline: 1) increase P up to the moment, when motor becomes unstable; 2) add I to make it stable; 3) add D to make the loop stiffer; This is wrong, you add D to  make it more

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/26 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 08:40 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: An off-the-shelf solid state relay might do the job too. The relay was my first idea, but it turned out pretty quickly that there are no such relays that could be driven directly

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de: Viesturs, it seems to me that your laser diode is just acting as a normal LED, not as a laser. This state is only achieved at a very distinct point up on top of the voltage/current curve. The laser diode supply electronics must take care of this which

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: Is there perchance an adjustment potentiometer?  The LM317T is a linear regulator device and could be made adjustable so as to compensate for the wiring and switching loss in your controller. Nope, I see 2 resistors in series for the middle leg.

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 18:12, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: For those following this thread, just a reminder of what I think Viesturs has. eBay laser with controller:

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: That depends.  Can, if you just short your device, burn wood?  If not, or only very much slower than you expected, then the wire is too small. I could. Now it seems that my diy stopped working again - laser receives ~3V DC regardless of the state of

Re: [Emc-users] DIY output driver

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: On Friday, January 27, 2012 01:53:39 PM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 18:12, Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: For those following this thread, just a reminder of what I think

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Hello again! I tried searching my mailbox with more than 2 years of this mailing list in it for some servo tuning for noobs (actual keywords used were servo tuning), but found only 1 viable thread, which contained this link; http://www.newport.com/servicesupport/Tutorials/default.aspx?id=152 My

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:49:18 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)     emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 21:58:27 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)    emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 19:54, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: What BLDC mode are you using? ... If not you may somehow have lost encoder counts, this should be checked Try mode h and comment-out the rawcounts lines, that ought to make it stick

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 20:18, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I hit F2 to stop it (sometimes it stops for itself within a second or two) after I release jogging button and then after enabling motion with F2 motor stands still and I can

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: This is not likely a tuning problem... Sounds encouraging :) More likely that you have either run out of headroom (what is the motor voltage vs supply voltage?) or you have a commutation problem. Commutation problems will happen if you have

Re: [Emc-users] Servo tuning - wtf?

2012-01-27 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/27 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 27 January 2012 20:37, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: What's the PID output maxing out at? OUTPUT_SCALE =          166.667 OUTPUT_OFFSET =         0.0 MAX_OUTPUT =            166.667 I don't know what these numbers mean

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