Re: overstimulation, was voodoo etc.
Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics By the by a rate for over-stimulation is 158 5455 Hi Markess. Is this a two dial rate 15.8 54.55 or something else (other system) ? a few of us probably in need of a dose of this! Thanks Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
So I very much support the wish that we who are experimenting with radionics can and will learn from out mistakes. The mistakes are manifold and the learning process is rather slow, though it does seem to be incremental. It is important that we honestly and publicly acknowledge and discuss these mistakes. While it may seem embarassing, it is a sign of egoic maturity when we publically acknowledge our mistakes. You might take a second look at any political figures who do this sort of thing, as it is as much needed as it is rare. Anyway, let us please not fall into such traps as labling radionic preps as not real or invalidating the primary making of preps as unnecessary. Either of these partisan views tends to create divisions. What we need instead is an open forum for sharing what we know--something we can rely upon our governments not to do from time to time and case to case. Regards, Hugh Dear Hugh Thanks for your calming sentiments - I have mostly tried to restrain myself from these kind of debates - radionics vs the other - I find it counterproductive in most cases (negative energy I reckon, or negative use of energy). Occasionally the temptation gets too great and I fall back in the hole again! Ah well - guess we learn a little each time. Hope you are enjoying your trip down under - the country sure is looking heaps better than the last time you were out. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Change to Eric and turkeys
- Original Message - From: James Hedley To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: Change to Eric and turkeys Dear Eric, Seems as if Lloyds words have caused you to spit the dummy. James Gee James did I cause all this havoc? I was tryin' to be good too! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Eric
- Original Message - From: mroiboz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:43 AM Subject: Eric Dear Lloyd, Roger, James, Actually, Eric has left the list because he is in the middle of moving from cattle country in Alberta to a more sophisticated mixed farming area in British Columbia. Michael Dear Michael Thats good news - the "I'm leaving the list" bit read like a dummy spit and seemed out of character, hope Eric comes back on when he gets re settled. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
From: D S Chamberlain Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics I would like to comment on part of what has been alluded to in the previous posts, in particular the assumption that hard physical work is a requirement for humans. I have been involved with a large number of groups of people over the years and without doubt the hardest thing to get people to do is to think. Seeing as how, at least to my knowledge, humans are the only material manifestations that can think, than surely it is their role in the scheme of things to work hard at thinking. Hard physical work can be done by a number of different animals, but they can't think. Am I right or wrong? David C I believe you're right David - sure we need a degree of pyhsical work to anchor us (and to keep fit) but the blind, grinding toil that some on the list would like some others to go through so that their moral high ground be maintained, and stirred preps be the only way of BD, well I dont believe that is necessary or even beneficial. We have YET to hear negatively from a person who has used radionics or field broadcasters in a thinking way, almost all of the negative comment seems to come from those that have little or no working knowledge in this field. They come ranting out in print trying to convince everybody else that there is some awful moral deficiency or laziness in anybody that would do radionics or use homeopathic preps, that these are not 'real', that because there is a 'machine' involved there are 'bad' energies (forget about the tractors and other gear involved in stir and spray),.Against all this we have Steiners active encouragement of the work of Koliskos studying homeopathic use of the preps and his urging to Pfeiffer to get it out there now, as much and as quick as we can, and worry about the experiments later. Most of the radionics people are quite happy to agree that they do other things as well, many do stir and spray preps, composting, and mineral soil balancing in some form. All of these things, (including physically spraying stirred preps) are a part of the whole balanced picture, not the whole deal on their own. Its time for some balance in this argument I think ! Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Goodbye from Greg Willis
- Original Message - From: ron poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Goodbye from Greg Willis Ron I really think if you sat down and analysed the greg willis posts over the last couple of years youd find a far greater quantity of good than bad, but most on the list would see it the other way, maybe because he challenges the established paradigm? The occasional pearl hardly worth the muck around in that swamp of paranoia and bile, Lloyd! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
- Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 5:07 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics Hi Eric If you need to figure why some of us get peeved at the remarks directed at radionics just take a look at the heading that this thread has run under . -- voodoo, holy cards, and third class relics -- hardly a complimentary way to approach people who are doing their honest best to make the benefits of the biodynamic preparations available as quickly as possible to the largest possible areas of the entire earth, for the Earth's healing. One thing I wanted to say about this is I have a problem with the way Radionics has been portrayed on BDNOW! The almost religious fever that pushes these things as being better than biodynamics is wrong. funny! from where I stand most of the religious fervour seems to be directed against the use of radionics and homeopathic remedies, by people rooted in the traditional, - maybe we are all too sensitive? Yes Radionics has its place in the energy system of the planet but is that instead of Biodynamics? NO! It must work in conjunction with it in a vastly different space. The point I am trying to get across is that the two systems can work quite well in conjunction with one another as long as both are being used. Dont see many of us actively promoting the idea that this is an either/or situation, I certainly dont. James doesnt, nor Gil nor even Hugh Lovel ( if you pay attention to what he writes and says) find the biggest Vortex on your property or positively flowing dragon line and blast your preps deeply into the ether. blast your preps I find it incredible that anyone with the remotest understanding of radionics or field broadcasting could write this! .In short and vulgar language - its a bloody insult - we use the field broadcaster to administer the preps in a finely balanced and extremely subtle way, its gentle and in most cases much more finely tuned than any use of the raw preps. Yet you write this as if we are some uncouth person bashing nature over the head with a shovel. I dont understand this attitude at all ! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
- Original Message - From: Eric Myren To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:31 AM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics The one last thing I wish to say before I unsubscribe from this list is that the school of Spirit I went to as teenager and over the past 19yrs says DO NOT PLAY WITH PLANETARY ENERGIES BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.PEACEERICP.S. Llloyd if any of my words have bothered you maybe their is a reason and maybe you should look to the inside and find out what that reason is :-)Please Eric - read the posts carefully - I write strongly in defence of something that I believe passionately in, have used with careand good intent, and used for the good af all concerned. I put forward a strong defence becausewhat I do has been attacked equally strongly. If I have said some specific thing that offends you I am happy to apologise for that (need to know what it is though). But if you think to make me feel bad by resigning from the list then , no sir, thats a piece of baggage I will not carry, thats your decision alone. I wish you well Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: The desire to light a fire under Other
Subject: The desire to light a fire under Other The desire to light a fire under Other is a powerful indication that we need to get moving. I guess the fact that someone lit one under me first is no excuse eh? Difficult though to keep your focus on high ideals when your bum's alight! Guess I'll have to try harder. Cheers all Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: BD Down under
From: James Hedley Dear Merla, If you want to potentise large quantities of spray material you could -- or conversely you could get Herb to make you a motorised see-saw, with substance on both ends. BRILLIANT! ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Negative ion generator coils.
- Original Message - From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: Re: Negative ion generator coils. Hi James, Lloyd, Roger and others I know the energy you speak of in the snow country, just never felt it through the Monaro. The positive ions could be the reason, or that almost every time I've driven through, there has been very little if any vegetation. Hi Liz Maybe its because you live in a much more favoured area, the Monaro is naturally treeless (thats supposedly the aboriginal meaning of the word), its naturally quite low rainfall for tableland country - a classic rain shadow area - you can see this easily from tracing the mountain ranges on a map, Cooma's average rainfall is around 18inches, so you have predominantly lower rainfall grass species similar to our western plains would grow, the lower rainfall over millions of years means that the basalt formation has not broken down to anything like the same extent as in other similar regions so that the soils are much more rocky. It was so favoured by early settlers because of what it was - treeless grazing country with reliable water and fertile soils, they just moved the stock in and set up shop. Dalgety is another special little rain shadow area but with poor granite soils to boot - go a little further around the circle to Bungarby and you find some of the most productive grazing country anyplace - its a very variable area for soils and rainfall even in its normal season (no such thing of course) Next time you go there look at the animals and the people, maybe you'll see a different side, maybe I'm nuts but I like the place. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: water consumption
- Original Message - From: Hamish Mackay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: water consumption Can anyone give me some hard data on reduction of water requirements on Biodynamic land? would be appreciated aye Hamish Mackay Hamish - how to measure this? There are an awful lot of variables! Our local wheatgrowers group (crop check) uses a water use efficiency calculation thats easy enough to do if nobody cheats, basically it tells us that wheat will (should) do from 15 to 25 kg per hectare per millimeter of growing season rainfall, there is a simple formula but it assumes an accurate and honest (sometimes a problem) estimate of stored moisture in the profile, and no cheating on the rainfall records. This works in a high input cropping situation but I prefer simpler comparisons. I was discussing this sort of thing with one of our Queensland cattlemen yesterday - he commented "since we started BD we have gotten extremely casual with bloat - have not seen one animal with a blown side for two years - we just turn em in the pasture and dont worry about it" my return to that was if BD did nothing else it would be worthwhilejust for the bloat prevention. That would be something worth focussing on and easy to document. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
There's a guy down the road from me who sells organic vegetables to people. He makes his compost by mixing urea and sawdust together and leaving it for 3 weeks, then puts it on the plants. He told me he doesn't use any pesticides or chemicals - only a bit of roundup at the start, of course. Hello Graeme If this guy is only using a bit of roundup at the start he's a mile in front of his commercial chemical counterparts, and if he really manages to produce his vegetable crops without any in crop pesticides, he is doing a lot of things right! What does his stuff taste like? And most importantly does he tell the truth when he sells his produce? If he does then I'd suggest he's not much of a problem. Organic certification tells the consumer that there is less toxic chemical present in the food but it says nothing (or very little)about the nutritional quality, and until consumers wake up and start to buy on taste rather than appearance nothing much will change. His clients are just as poorly informed - either they don't know or simply don't ask about his practices. What do you do about such situations? I don't know. Certification cant fix this - only quality testing by the end consumer - if your neighbor's produce looks good, tastes great, and is grown without chemicals in crop he is most of the way home and his consumers will figure it out, If it is rubbish and tastes like cardboard and he tells lies then they will probably figure that out too. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Lloyd Re: Dornachian reactions?
on economic grounds - some of my eco farming tactics are not certifiable, I've not tried to change the rules, but while ever NASA continues to certify putrified anearobic feedlot poop as a Grade A organic input I believe I am entitled to remain suspicious about the value of certification (quality wise). I guess the point I am trying to make is that returning to a healthy and viable way of production should be our first focus, getting our farm soils, water and atmosphere back into balance the best way we can will bring us to where we can easily choose certification if its of benefit. I see the two as separate. We cannot legislate for good health or common sense or honesty. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Graeme Upon reflection I do not hear people knocking the use of traditional preps. They are knocking the organisations who seem to be isolating themselves from their members and the wider BD community, yet maintain relevance because of their trademark and its apparant value. well said Glen - you've captured my 'attitude' nicely! Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
Dear Hugh Thanks for an interesting note - your mexican friend is obviously enjoying his success. I think the major problem with the old guard in Australia was one of communication (lack of it) , that disenchanted farmer that I quoted said " Alex wont address the problem", it should havebeen up to the farmer himself to recognise the problem in its early stages and to do something positive about it himself, and after twenty or so years as a practicing, certified, Biodynamic producer he should have been equipped to do that without needing to call on the services of the master. Striving for certification is part of the problem - there are rewards for organic certified produce - but I think only isolated opportunities for further premiums (above organic) from Demeterand then only for restricted quantities and specific situations. Our newer (Biodynamic Agriculture) organisation has taken a more open and educational position and many farmers are learning to do things for themselves.There will be more mistakes made for sure, but learning always involves mistakes. If the traditionalists manage to take over that organisation (and its likely, politics being what it is ) then there are enough of us free thinking loonies on the outside to carry things forward whatever happens. I believe that homeopathic remedies and what I term low level radionics - field broadcasters, potentiser instruments, (and probably some of the paper based systems), combined with dowsing and basic soil remineralising are the way of the future for agriculture. Energy farming! I sure have met some interesting people in the last few years! Cheers all Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Dornachian reactions?
- Original Message - From: mroiboz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Dornachian reactions? How does this help if one cannot make all the BD preps except Valerian? The new EU rules are no animals parts to be used for prep. making. Same problem for anthr. homeopathic medicine. Michael. Hi Michael We have already available the malcolm rae cards representing all of steiner's remedies plus the horn clays (as well as about 3000 other homeopatic substances) - using these cards and a small non powered instrument we bought for $525 (Aussie dollars - thats a whisker under $US300) - we can make more or less unlimited quantities of these remedies at practically nil cost and for very little effort. There is no physical substance involved - the preps used to prepare the cards, I believe, are Hugh Lovel's, and thats the closest they ever got to my farm. As an alternative to this method, with the instrument we have you can use a small amount of the real substance as input and potentise that - still there is nil physical substance in the potentised material. To say that this way will not or cannot work is to go in total denial of homeopathic medicine. This may not be the preferred option but it is an effective one. cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionic instruments
- Original Message - From: ron poitras [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: Re: radionic instruments What kind of radionic instrument are you using, Lloyd? Is it available in the US? Source appreciated. Thanks very much Ron Hi Ron This is a simple potentiser instrument along the same lines as a Malcolm Rae - mine is made in Australia by Peter Ruehmkorrf. For making remedies its a neat and versatile instrument, you can use the Malcolm Rae cards or at the flick of a switch you can use actual substance on the input plate to potentise any material, there is a remote cable (extra order) to allow potentising of larger containers (I use this one direct into the sprayer tank), You can copy any existing remedy, (no matter what the potency of the original) without destroying the original, and make any potency you like. Value for money and ease of use its the best of these small instruments by miles, sells for $525 australian - around $300 US? plus freight. I am not connected with the maker (probably should get commission after this plug) but its a real good value instrument that works extremely well. Cheers Lloyd Charles contact : Prue Instruments, 8 Lucinda Avenue, Springwood, New South Wales 2777, Australia phone /fax 61 247 512 904 ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Hi Roger Yes. In terms of mammals I have an innate dislike of peppering for several reasons, not least of which is that it does nothing about the actual problem, just moves it on to someone else's shoulders. There's a multitude of ways to skin the cat of course but I think that your argument against peppering is a little simplistic here. It asssumes that the critters will just breed on regardless of the changed conditions, and while it often looks that way, thats not what happens in nature. When Rudolph Steiner wrote of peppering there was quite a lot of emphasis on the effect on the reproductive ability of the target. OK, when we get an instant result we are probably just scrambling them up so they go somewhere else and initially there may be an increase in pressure at somewhere else , but after moving house I dont think those new critters will become a part of the effective breeding population for quite a while, if ever!. I believe over time the overall population will reduce because of peppering and the only way that the neighbor will be affected long term is if he already had favourable conditions in place for an increase of population - which case it was going to happen anyway. Nothing wrong with your method of course, but the other 95% of us need to figure out something that will work for us. Anyway how different are we? Its all about the energy! I can't do it on my own but with the aid of a field broadcaster anyone can implement beneficial changes to the energies of their farm. Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can error be turned to advantage?
Hi James Thanks for your note. Even although it appears ---that there has been a catastrophy from the use of Superphosphate in the comparative trials of the TSR at Dalgetty I feel that what has happened opens the scope of the trials. It must be remembered that this is a long term trial. It is not just what happens in the first year. It has altered the rules part way through though and you now dont have a non supered area so a dressing of super has become part of the base treatment. Not a problem but a minor glitch. The real problem is in the carelessness of the person who made the mistake andjepoardised the whole thing. There is ample documentation (I hope) and photographsof the area at different stages. I was sure Roger would have this under control There is also abuot 50 soil samples from different areas of the block which were taken at the commencement of the trialWhat is important, in the light of the problems in the EUof using animal sheaves, is that the radionic preps have performed equal to if not better than the conventionallly sprayed and stirred BD preps. You know how I enjoy it when people write things like that last sentence! During a visit to the trial just prior to the pasture sowing it was commented by Project Coordinator that she observed noticeable differences between the different trials. It was quite obvious that the BD had outperformed the other trials and that there was a marked difference between conventional v BD. I think it would be a good idea to get a written report from the co ordinator stating that up until the accident. My opinion is that Superphosphate or rock phosphate would be beneficial to the land. Mine too! that granite country also seriously needs lime. They have been usingmolybdenum fortified super for generations to try and counter the lack of calcium and the trace element imbalances that come with it. Biggest problem with super phosphate is the lock up factor and the lack of cultivation - you end up with all the root system concentrated in the top couple of inches When the protocols for the trial were being discussed I mentioned that it would be interesting to have a small test strip to test the effects of different additions such as Phosphorus, Zinc or/and Copper. This will probably be done in the second year.A further 550 acre trial is being conducted at Dalgetty on a property which is generally considered to be the worst on the Monaro. You know that Monaro country isnt half as bad as you blokes think,when I lived up there the Dalgety shire claimed the highest wool cut per acre in NSW and had the figures to proove it. For twenty years the monaro sheep men flogged the socks off all comers in merino whether trialsall over the state,only lost out when high fine wool prices put them out of it. They are still the best medium and strong wool sheep in this country. Best weaner cattle in the country too! Weed peppers lend themselves to broadacre spraying because they are species specific and non toxic to stock. You'd hope that people will be a little forgiving when results are sometimes not up to their expectations - there are many turning to peppering as a last resort after chemicals have failed - its a big ask in some cases. We certainly live in interesting times in Australia these days. Sure do! Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Can error be turned to advantage?
Hi Roger Boy is this feller a goose ! You have three paddocks ? The BD area is 20 hectares , compost 10 ha and conventional 10 ha - so he inadvertantly applies not only twice the amount to twice the area , he puts it on the wrong patch as well - hope nobody paid him for the days work! Yeah! I know you said sane and constructive but these accidents just seem to keep happening. Sane and Constructive According to what he wrote in his lectures Alex Podolinsky was quite prepared to allow small dressings of single superphosphate to kick start run down soils going into BD, only on a one off basis, He said we might need to provide a soluble feed for the first season (my wording) then rock phosphate would take over as the microbial life got into gear, P A Yeomans - probably Australias greatest soil man - also used small quantities of super and lime in similar fashion once only to get things going, this guy turned some horrid shale and slate country into wonderful pasture. OK these guys were using less than you have had spread but there's no choice about that. Along with the cadmium, lead, and mercury, you do get some nice sulphur and a little available calcium coming in with the phosphorus, all of which would probably show low on a soil test there?. Hopefully you have plenty of photos and a written report on the status of the plots up until the accident? some points 1. make sure that the conventional treatment definitely got at least an equivalent dose of super so that the comparison is still valid between BD and it 2 . Ban the perpetrator from the site before he causes any more havoc. 3. try to do some soil and tissue tests to show the difference in availability of nutrients between the two systems - you might be pleasantly surprised. 4. If Glyphosphate is used on the conventional area try to leave a small untreated test, and compare microbial indicators, tendency to crust, extra drying of the soil surface. And if there is a reasonable amount of green material sprayed and incorporated at seeding look very closely for reduced germination and emergence where the greenery was thickest I guarantee you will be unpleasantly surprised on all counts (or some of the farmers will be anyway). Cant think of anything else at the moment - its a shame and potentially a waste of money and time but no going back so you may as well get something from it. Cheers Lloyd Charles 1 ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
I would love to hear from other people if they have any alternative ways of manufacturing the preparations. What are these Rae cards that Loyd was writing about last week? Apparantly there has been a lot of creativity in applying them (broadcasters, BDmax ready-sprays, orgon accumulators), but how about making them? Does everybody here follow the basic recipe? Hi Arjen I did a small experiment last year, has already raised a few hackles in Australia among traditionalists I think. We made some barrel compost : From the same batch of manure I made one pit the traditional way with a set of conventional preps from our association, the second pit was made exactly the same except that I mixed a set of radionic preps into the manure before putting it in the pit and I used a set of radionic preps placed exactly as the conventional ones were placed. These were prepared from malcolm rae cards using a small potentiser instrument made in Australia by Peter Ruemhkorff, so there was no actual prep material at all in the second pit. I took these up in late december and I could not detect any difference except by dowsing the energy levels, (and I am biased and also knew which was which so I dont count) so far we have tested the two by dowsing, by radionic analysis for general vitality, and by doing chromas. Several people did the dowsing and the general consensus was not much different but a little in favour of the radionic preps, the radionic analysis was done by a very competent independent operator, who did not know what he was testing, done in front of 80 people (Hugh Lovel was there), and showed a small advantage to the radionic preps - from memory the readings were something like 675 the radionics and 630 the conventional. I have the chroma pictures here and although I know little about it I prefer the look of the radionic chroma, its a nicer picture with much more definition. I have a copy of a Soil Foodweb Institute test (Elaine Ingham,s lab) : active bacterial 34.7 total bacterial 877 active fungal 235 total fungal 436 - lab comments were that its not mature yet - wait till activity drops below 10% before applying and that it will become more fungal with time, I dont know these tests but it rated excellent, Steve Storch might like to comment on the numbers (his will be better of course!) I was not trying to push anybody's buttons by doing this - the opportunity was there to learn something - so I took it - but I bet the anti radionic people are not happy with the result so far. This sort of thing may be the way out for you people in Europe and what happens there will probably be inflicted on the rest of us at some point - I would like to be ready for that time. Hope you find this interesting Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: prep making illegal in the EU
- Original Message - From: Garuda To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Re: prep making illegal in the EU Homeopathic preps come of age GA Thought you would be grinning! LC ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Lloyd Thank you for this wonderful picture of your experience. How do you place your preps in your broadcaster? You mention you use 500-508 plus the clays. How do you place these? and how often do you move them around? Glen A Hello Glen I follow Hugh Lovel's lead as far as what goes in what well I guess you mean actual arrangement of the preps in the wells ? My broadcasters are built with 45 degree junctions for the wells - I potentise into liquid - alcohol and water - and the angled wells prevents problems with leakages I had to think about this for a bit - I dont really have a strict system but then I do kind of . The 500 and 501 always go in first so they lay on the bottom centre of the well jar (bottom and top wells of course) Always put the horn clay next to the primary preps (on the right) I usually have a vial of fresh rain water in and it will be on the left the remainder go around to the right in number order - gravity being what it is we end up with a circular cluster thats a rough circle anti clockwise. This probably does not matter at all, if we go with the wave theory or frequencies (however you like to put it) then each different prep will have its own specific frequency (s) which should be picked up and transmitted equally, regardless of where it is inside. Still I'd rather stick to a pattern, I think if we develop these little rituals it adds to the effect, just through reinforcing intent if nothing else. My map with written intent goes in before the reagents and lays around against the glass in a circle. I make sure that nothing ever is flat in the bottom of the jars. We all have different ideas - when I treat with peppers for weeds or other problems - its usually a short sharp blast - I take the normal preps out and just put the pepper in for say 36 hours ( I dowse for this) and will probably have four or five different potencies in. Why ? I guess I'm trying to get at the different layers of the problem. A MM potency is operating in a different way to D ? Some would see this as a shotgun approach - sometimes a shotgun is easier to hit with. Sorry that this is disjointed, I have been on the tractor this evening and rushed it a bit. cheers Lloyd Charles - Original Message - From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Dear Merla I am unable to explain any of this but can offer a few comments/observations * the BD farmers in Australia who have encountered problems after a period of what looked like successful practice are mostly from the Alex Podolinsky group and have been mostly not using 501 or very little of it and certainly not in concert with 500 - and for sure no horn clay. I'm not challenging AP's knowledge but the message has not been filtering through to the other end of the pipeline. * these farms have suffered flat battery syndrome somewhere between 7 and 15 years. * The new organisation of Biodynamic agriculture that I belong to (Cheryl Kemp writes here sometimes) is promoting the spraying of 500 and 501 in back to back applications - 500 at evening and then 501 next morning over the same area, farmers that have done this so far are talking very nice results and more important have experienced none of the supposed ill effects from using 501 in what is a very warm and high light environment, they have NOT burned up their hay crop or had premature fruiting or all of the other things that worries people about using 501. * when we started using our broadcaster (three seasons ago ) I didnt hav e access to horn clay for some months and yes we got results (visible) but it was as if things were haphazard - the whole place went into rampant flowering in late spring / early summer - perennial weeds, the native plants, our home garden , everything just blazed into bloom. The look of it was as if we were shunting things one way then the other. * After about four months I got Rae cards that included the horn clays and made up a new set of reagents and I have always used horn clay since that time. In the broadcasters I use the full suite of preps 500 through to 508 plus horn clays. * I guess the best description I have is if you came to a furiously boiling pot and turned it down to a gentle simmer, we dont see as much happening (things are much more subtle), but I also think its much more stable and balanced. * its human nature that we look for a quick result, or a dramatic change, but I do think that a slow gentle shifting of the balance point is a lot more beneficial in the long run. Just a few thoughts from
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying You mention you use 500-508 plus the clays. How do you place these? and how often do you move them around? Forgot that bit ! I would disturb my preps in the broadcaster for some reason or other about monthly - take em out - add something - etc and I'd make sure to give them a shake and clean the vials off . change preps a couple of times a year, (new set - some potencies will change , some stay the same) ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects
- Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel To: Dave Robison Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Prep 500 and 501 effects Dear Hugh Thanks for posting this to BDnow - we do appreciate the effort you put into this - our soils and biology professors would have great difficulty arguing against the science you have presented here! Gillian (Cole) may get some useful insight into the effect of colours from a look atthe work of John N Ott - his video " Exploring the Spectrum" is still available for sale and isvery interesting. Looks at the effects ofdifferent light frequencieson plants, animals, and humans, (kids in school), well worth a viewing by anyone that has not seen it. Arden Andersen uses this video in his soils school to stimulate thoughts aboutenergy.Its really effective. Cheers Lloyd Charles Dave,Here is some attempt at response. Terribly time consuming. Hope I see you in NZ in July. I'd like to forward this discussion to BDnow to see if I can stimulate any further comments.Hugh Lovel How important photons are and how much coherence in light uptake by plants (or animals) affects things is not so clear. For example animals have chemical reactions beginning at the retina and traveling down the optic nerve to the pituitary and affecting the pineal gland, etc. on through the body chemistry. We don't know nearly enough about this, but it is important way beyond what usually is believed. Pumpkin vines make more female flowers under the (I think it is blue) influence of one end of the spectrum and more male flowers with the opposite. ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying
Subject: Re: Preps 500 and 501 Effects as they relate to Sequential Spraying Dear Merla I am unable to explain any of this but can offer a few comments/observations * the BD farmers in Australia who have encountered problems after a period of what looked like successful practice are mostly from the Alex Podolinsky group and have been mostly not using 501 or very little of it and certainly not in concert with 500 - and for sure no horn clay. I'm not challenging AP's knowledge but the message has not been filtering through to the other end of the pipeline. * these farms have suffered flat battery syndrome somewhere between 7 and 15 years. * The new organisation of Biodynamic agriculture that I belong to (Cheryl Kemp writes here sometimes) is promoting the spraying of 500 and 501 in back to back applications - 500 at evening and then 501 next morning over the same area, farmers that have done this so far are talking very nice results and more important have experienced none of the supposed ill effects from using 501 in what is a very warm and high light environment, they have NOT burned up their hay crop or had premature fruiting or all of the other things that worries people about using 501. * when we started using our broadcaster (three seasons ago ) I didnt have access to horn clay for some months and yes we got results (visible) but it was as if things were haphazard - the whole place went into rampant flowering in late spring / early summer - perennial weeds, the native plants, our home garden , everything just blazed into bloom. The look of it was as if we were shunting things one way then the other. * After about four months I got Rae cards that included the horn clays and made up a new set of reagents and I have always used horn clay since that time. In the broadcasters I use the full suite of preps 500 through to 508 plus horn clays. * I guess the best description I have is if you came to a furiously boiling pot and turned it down to a gentle simmer, we dont see as much happening (things are much more subtle), but I also think its much more stable and balanced. * its human nature that we look for a quick result, or a dramatic change, but I do think that a slow gentle shifting of the balance point is a lot more beneficial in the long run. Just a few thoughts from down under Cheers Lloyd Charles I just read Hugh Lovell's words on Prep 500 and 501 effects. It was way over my head since I can only understand what is going on with the plants on a intuitive basis. I want to do a sequential spraying on 3 1/2 acres of our land, the part that is not wooded, but fenced and in agricultural usage. I feel O.K. about BC, 500, 508, but really question the use of 501. It's really confusing to read Hugh's references to horn clay because Hugh Courtney doesn't include it in the sequence. Internal politics maybe? Should I order some horn clay? If I do, when do I spray it? We have glacial till soil with wind blown laos from Washington grain fields. Hugh C. suggested that I do it in leaf to stimulate water influences and I'm thinking about June 20-21. I don't do the whole 25 acres because it would be hard to spray in the trees and underbrush. Should I be doing that too? What am I doing when I do a sequential spray sequence? Can someone explain it to me the way Hugh Lovell is explaining in his post on 500 and 501, but in not quite so difficult a conceptual framework? Best, Merla ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Introduction
What reasoning is there behind your spray regime with 35 preps? Steve Storch wrote My reason for using these preps is because this spray regime kicks ass and works great. Hi Steve Would I be more or less correct in assuming that your spray program would be similar in number of field trips and workload, to what is normal practice for chemical vineyards, horticulture and vegetables in the area. Its frightening how often those guys spray toxics in my part of the world! Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: growth and decay
From: Sarah Cherry Hi, Liz, I realized that the communication, feelings, energy flows or whatever you want to call it were different for decay when the plant was manifesting an insect problem than when it just needed water. Same with growth. The forces in a well-ordered plant are perceptably very different than one which is bolting from too much of something. Hi Sarah , Liz. These energies that Sarah describes here are what some of us unfeeling and mundane types measure with a brix meter via the plant sap. Low brix will always leave plants exposed and susceptible to insect attack - sometimes we get lucky and that does not manifest - but if the bugs are about they will home in on those crops. Bolting crops, which to most farmers look healthy with their dark green colour - you have low brix - and almost always an oversupply of soluble nitrogen, which can just as easily come from too much manure or even an overdose of compost. These crops grow vegetative bulk at the expense of the fruiting impulse and for leaf crops we get the bitter taste of excess nitrogen and lack of sugar, coupled with a low mineral status. Frost damage in small grain crops comes hand in hand. One problem is that I'm not always sure what to do even after I understand what's wrong! Foliar spraying can help enormously - but its important to measure a favourable response to the material you would like to apply, and there are many suitable natural ones, that can be either used as is or added to a brew. The plants will tell you via the brix response, whether or not they like what you are doing. There are some on the list who are able to use the BD preps in a corrective manner to bring these things back into balance, and I guess a few who have things cranked up to the stage where there is no problem. If you can feel or sense these energies thats fine but many are unable, or lack the confidence, so use of a brix meter allows us to measure the physical manifestation. Hugh Lovel tells us he chews and tastes the sap - I like this approach - same system , different instrument. Of course all of this is dependent on a basic understanding of photoshythesis and the cylical nature of plant sap brix in relation to weather conditions. We are tapping into the lifestream of the plant, its not a static thing. Cheers all Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fw: A definitely good forward!
Greetings all - Most readers have probably seen this before. I had not - my daughter sent it to me, her mum and a couple of friends, - I figure if she cared enough to read it and send it on, then, I am not going to delete. But I will add a comment. I am a few over fifty years old and grew up in rural Australia, we all bemoan the passing of the good old days and prattle on about how the world is going to the dogs etcetera, but I can tell you all that this story following would be a lot more likely to happen among my childrens generation as they were growing up, than it would have been among mine. Anybody else care to comment.? Cheers Lloyd Charles Subject: Fw: A definitely good forward! Read the following - it's a wonderful thing to do and we should all do something like this in our life - i.e. give happiness to others I know you are all the appropriate type of people who would appreciate the beauty in this story. Don't look for a punch line. There isn't one. Read it anyway. My question to all of you is: Would you have made the same choice? At a fundraising dinner for a school that serves learning disabled children, the father of one of the students delivered a speech that would never be forgotten by all who attended.After extolling the school and its dedicated staff, he offered a question. When not interfered with by outside influences, everything nature does is done with perfection. Yet my son, Shay cannot learn things as other children do. He cannot understand things as other children do. Where is the natural order of things in my son? The audience was stilled by the query. The father continued. I believe, that when a child like Shay comes into the world, an opportunity to realize true human nature presents itself, and it comes, in the way other people treat that child. Then he told the following story: Shay and his father had walked past a park where some boys Shay knew were playing baseball. Shay asked, Do you think they'll let me play? Shay's father knew that most of the boys would not want someone like Shay on their team, but the father also understood that if his son were allowed to play, it would give him a much-needed feeling of belonging. Shay's father approached one of the boys on the field and asked if Shay could play. The boy looked around for guidance and, getting none, he took matters into his own hands and said, We're losing by six runs and the game is in the eighth inning. I guess he can be on our team and we'll try to put him in to bat in the ninth inning. In the bottom of the eighth inning, Shay's team scored a few runs but was still behind by three. In the top of the ninth inning, Shay put on a glove and played in the outfield. Even though no hits came his way,he was obviously ecstatic just to be in the game and on the field, grinning from ear to ear as his father waved to him from the stands. In the bottom of the ninth inning, Shay's team scored again. Now, with two outs and the bases loaded, the potential winning run was on base and Shay was scheduled to be next at bat. At this juncture, let Shay bat and give away their chance to win the game? Surprisingly, Shay was given the bat. Everyone knew that a hit was all but impossible cause Shay didn't even know how to hold the bat properly, much less connect with the ball. However, as Shay stepped up to the plate, the pitcher moved in a few steps to lob the ball in softly so Shay could at least be able to make contact. The first pitch came and Shay swung clumsily and missed. The pitcher again took in a few steps forward to toss the ball softly towards Shay. As the pitch came in, Shay swung at the ball and hit a slow ground ball right back to the pitcher. The pitcher picked up the soft grounder and could have easily thrown the ball to the first baseman. Shay would have been out and that would have been the end of the game. Instead, the pitcher took the ball and turned and threw the ball on a high arc to right field, far beyond the reach of the first baseman. Everyone started yelling, Shay, run to first! Run to first! Never in his life had Shay ever made it to first base. He scampered down the baseline, wide-eyed and startled; Everyone yelled, Run to second, run to second! By the time Shay rounded first base, the right fielder had the ball. He could have thrown the ball to the second-baseman for the tag, but he understood the pitcher's intentions and intentionally threw the ball high and far over the third-baseman's head. Shay ran toward second base as the runners ahead of him deliriously circled the bases toward home. Shay reached second base, the opposing shortstop ran to him, turned him in the direction of third base, and shouted, Run to third! As Shay rounded third, the boys from both teams were screaming, Shay, run home! Shay ran to home, stepped on the plate, and was cheered as the hero who hit the grand slam and won the game
Re: Ashing
From: Sarah Cherry Re: Ashing I honestly feel that the shift in intentionality which begins even as you prepare to ash has an effect on the way the creatures manifest in your environment. The devic realm knows what you want even before you toast the little buggers. Of course ! but for most of us thats not enough on its own. Also dont lets forget the reason they came in the first place - if we have sick soil or plants the clean up crew will come to fix that - hi brix crops will deter insects simply because their presence is not required. Around the farm if we have an untidy feed shed with spilt grain and old bags we invite the rats and mice, the physical is still a major part of it. Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Hi Gil I dont like the idea of sodium bentonite for our soils and am unable to locate calcium bentonite in the time I have left - used in the wine industry but the type they use is a high grade and very expensive - no local suppliers have any - have decided to go with my favourite farm clay and YES it is a pain in the backside preparing -it would be much easier from a bag! Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada
- Original Message - From: Virginia Salares [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: RE: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada Lloyd, This is the first time I heard of A2 milk. It didn't come up when I was reviewing the literature. The casein variants merit more research. From what I read, the correlation between A1 milk and coronary heart disease and Type 1 diabetes comes from studies in areas where different casein variants predominate. As with all epidemiological studies, I wonder if alternative explanations have been eliminated. I also wonder if there are business interests involved, especially since patents are held on the A2. Hi Virginia It seems this is a kind of David and Goliath struggle coming out of the new zealand dairy industry , David in this case a pretty powerful businessman with the largest dairy operation in the southern hemisphere - still no match for the vertically integrated dairy conglomerate/co-operatives around the world. There will always be business interests involved in food distribution and production, its a monster business and the markups are astronomical, the food industry turns its stock over more often than any other retail sector, yet manages to screw markup margins that are rivalled only by the high fashion jewellery people. If the A2 hypothesis is valid, it adds to the argument that individuals who wish to consume raw milk should have the right to access it from a producer of their choice. Informed individuals will select milk produced for human consumption (as opposed to pooled milk from many cows/farms intended for pasteurization) from pastured cows. They could then select a source with breeds that produce A2 milk. Do you know of anybody who has been testing A1 and A2 milk radionically? Dont know about this - I have (cynically) taken the view that its all crap, but I need something to moisten the cereals for breakfast and water just dont taste right, so we buy cheap, occasionally splurging on unhomogenised BD milk, but I am unconvinced on that too, it comes from hundreds of miles away, and is still pasturised. Cant be bothered with a milking cow for us three adults but if a neighbour milked would try to buy from them. Interestingly, the raw milk that I get comes from a Guernsey cow raised biodynamically. From the references, the Guernsey yields A2 milk. Tested on myself and my son radionically, this milk increases our vitality, while pasteurized organic milk from the store does the opposite. I have to find a pastured milking Jersey cow (A1 milk) and do the same test. From the info we saw on the TV show about this a quite reasonable percentage of jerseys milk A2, also it appeared that crossbred cattle with beef bloodlines were a good bet. I agree with your sentiments on this - raw milk from grazing cows has got to be the best. There is a farmer on the north coast of nsw selling A2 milk - it will be interesting to see how this progresses - dont agree with the patent thing - how is it possible to get a patent on something natural - these people did not do anything to make the A2 protein they just identified something that was there all along - any patent application for things like this is garbage . Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils In a message dated 4/2/03 1:16:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know soil conservation used to recommend bentonite for repairing leaky dams and I thought I had heard of a calcium bentonite is there such a thing ? Maybe my ears were ringing at the time. Calcium bentonite is what Greg Willis uses for horn clay. I use it for clay preps and tree paste... sstorch Thanks Steve Instinct was taking me there but confirmation is nice. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: A1 and A2 milk
- Original Message - From: Tony Nelson-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:33 AM Subject: A1 and A2 milk Folks - can I be the only one who hadn't heard of A1 and A2 milk until now? Someone please explain... ! Tony NS. Tohy - the conventional dairy industry would like you to never hear about it - do a Google search for A2 milk - _ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browsepgmarket=en-gbXAPID=74DI=1059
Re: Buddy, Can you paradigm?
From: Allan Balliett Subject: Buddy, Can you paradigm? The conventional farmer who manages the grass-fed beef at the farm I'm doing CSA at this season refuses to feed kelp free choice to deal with end-of-the-winter lice infestations on the steers because 'Well, you think that kelp is natural, but I'll tell you, there's nothing natural at all about beef eating seaweed.' You do have to wonder sometimes ? I suppose he thinks that when he pours that systemic fenthion backliner (or whatevers the latest cure) on his steers to clean up the lice, that none of it ends up in the meat ?
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils Hey, I am glad to here that you will get around to actually doing some realm of the living spraying. When you make your cards are the preps right out of the ground or are they stirred? How can you introduce the stirring process to radionics and field broadcasting? Is there a stirred water card??? Keep on... SStorch Steve I use cards made from Hugh Lovel's preps - I figure his are as good as any - better than most - I assume they are from the ground. I keep some special energised rainwater vials in the broadcaster well and I believe the cosmic energies travelling through the forward and reverse rotation of the broadcaster coils and blending with the patterns of the preps held in the well replicates the role of stirring. cosmic energies coming in through vortex and chaos to blend with the patterns of the preps. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Steve Storch wrote I have to dis agree. If it is not done by the human hand where does the farm individuality arise from. Take ten minutes, stir the water and make the reagent,, you owe it to yourself...sstorch OK Steve (and any others that would like to comment) - I'll try this - a couple of questions though - 1. will this stirred water hold the energy pattern long enough to use it in a vial in the broadcaster (weeks or months) - that doesn't work with stirred preps ? Otherwise I need to make your 'stirred water 'card. 2. three of us are putting down some horns (of 500) this weekend and I'd like to include some clay, you have some different ideas on clay - any suggestions ? these are some options :: bentonite - its easy but I'd rather use local paddock reared clay :: I have a nice maroon clay from our subsoil layer - sticky and extremely dense, mostly magnesium it comes from about 6 to 18 inches deep in the profile. :: a yellowish sticky but highly dispersive, high sodium clay from our deep subsoil :: black pond muck - you talked about this stuff a while back - its a black silty clay that settles in the bottom of our farm water storage dams - powerful stuff - very nutrient rich - has some humic material included from organic wash in 3. we will be doing this in a new pit - any suggestions to pre treat the pit for a better result - I'd thought to spray it out with stirred 500 before putting the horns in ? Line the bottom with good compost maybe? What else works? Thanks for any suggestions cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Hugh wrote I haven't any doubt that were Rudolf Steiner around today he would be teaching farmers how to use radionic instruments and field broadcasters as well as getting kids to stir preparations for their Waldorf School gardens by hand. Nor have I any doubt about that All those 'anti' to radionics should read Steiner's reply to Pfeiffer more often the benefits of the biodynamic preparations should be made available as quickly as possible to the largest possible areas of the entire Earth, for the Earth's healing does'nt say anything about restricting the manner of application of those benefits to a pre ordained method. There are vast areas of the earth that cannot possibly be treated by conventional spraying of the preps - application costs will just not allow it to happen - field broadcasters can be set up for 50cents an acre and maintained in active service for a small fraction of that. Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
What about an egg shaped urn buried in the earth, the one I have has a 12,000 foot influence on the farm and surrounding area. I fill it with teas of 500, bc, 501 508, nettles, etc...sstorch Steve, I missed this first time around . this is not radionics ? but as my old dad would say its as near as dammit is to swearing from it Lloyd Charles
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Hi Christiane Thanks for your input - bentonite sounds like good stuff to me - is there just one bentonite - animal feeders round here use sodium bentonite and I can get some of that - I know soil conservation used to recommend bentonite for repairing leaky dams and I thought I had heard of a calcium bentonite is there such a thing ? Maybe my ears were ringing at the time. There seem to be two lines of thought: 1. Stimulating soil life, by making clay minerals available. Bentonite is a weathering product of volcanic tuffs, usually high Mg containing montmorillonites. The minerals are easily available to microorganisms and plants and especially recomended for light sandy soils in small quantities but frequently. 2. but I'd rather use local paddock reared clay sounds to me as you wanting to access energies or, in my interpretation, in the [clay] soils laid down learning by your environment (or is it of your environment?). I relate this to deep psychology - accessing the sub- or unconscious deep learnings and then connect this with what is happening now in an up-and-down process. Analogously, what about adding little bits of each soil layer to create an interchange of knowledge between the past and the present? Nothing so deep, just figuring we have some nice clay here thats a strong part of what this farm is and what the soils will do, why bring in clay from hundreds of miles away ? However for a nutritional kick along, supplying readily available trace minerals - thats a different and interesting subject. What rate of bentonite would you suggest to use on a sandy loam soil? - is it affordable on a broadacre scale? Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Is this a radionics or a biodynamic discussion group??? Hi Steve (and Allan) Last saturday I travelled an hour and a half west of here to install a field broadcaster on a sheep farm, its 13 inch rainfall country and somewhere over 60,000acres, We set up on some rolling sandhill country that has been part cleared of timber, but still has lots of stumps and fallen trees plus a lot of rough patches where rabbitt warrens have been ripped over the years, very hazardous country to drive around any time there is some grass cover, and the only practical way you could spray it is by plane. We found a nice energy intersection on a rise in the middle of the area, put up our broadcaster, loaded up with all the BD preps in their little vials, added a couple of potentised reagents for calcium and phosphorus, and a weed pepper, now the only catch is we are probably hoping for a miracle to happen. The people are trying to figure something that will give them some respite from infestations of puncture vine that have rendered some of this country off limits to sheep and only usable part time for cattle, its a huge problem, and probably has taken 60 years or more to slowly progress to the stage its at now, rotational grazing management has not been able to make any gains weed wise. This is low rainfall, low carrying capacity land, probably would sell less than a hundred Au dollars per acre. As time progresses we will probably get some conventional preps sprayed around fire breaks and fencelines to reinforce the program but that pipe went up nice and was a far more pleasant and spiritual experience than trying to bash around that same patch of land with a sprayrig. We are broadcasting around 2500 to 3000 acres with it, no diesel fumes, no broken gear, minimal expense, and I know that it will do more for that piece of land than a poorly executed prep spraying program would. Getting the proper preps out good enough on these extended areas of low value country is always going to be a problem because of cost if for no other reason. To get a better result than the field broadcaster you'd need to treat at least twice the first year with 500/501- thats most of twenty bucks an acre up front - even half of that would be unsustainable long term. Heck I'm not trying to convert you guys to radionics you have no need of it - just see our side of the story - and try to appreciate why we (or some of us) are so interested in these other ways of doing things. Cheers Lloyd Charles As far as I am concerned I do not care for any of these scientific evaluations until the preparations have been used for two years...sstorch ps steve I agree with this, we can too easily jump to conclusions or make outlandish claims - a trap we all fall into from time to time
Re: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada
- Original Message - From: Virginia Salares [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: Raw Milk - Submission to Health Canada http://www.magma.ca/~ca/rawmilk/submission.htm Virginia Salares Hi Virginia Are you aware of the health implications involved in the A2 milk issue?? - Google search 'A2 milk' for more info. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Dear James, et. al., . Both are studying their asses off learning all they can as fast as they can. It won't be that much longer and they won't need me any more. It gives me a good feeling. I'll admit I'm not comfortable with the idea of going head to head in the marketplace with the chemical ag boys. They've got hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars worth of muscle to lean on us with, and we are still in the pusilanimous thousands and tens of thousands. So I think we'd better keep our heads down a bit longer and not get them to take us seriously. Dear Hugh - James I have a friend who was a farmer until two years ago when he sold out to go a new direction selling foliar fertiliser. He and I and a couple of other guys started out several years ago using this hotmix trace element foliar and seed treatment brew - I was the first in this area and encouraged the others based on results I'd seen. It was a good first step away from conventional thinking and the company behind it is using Albrecht logic in their approach to fertilising and they are getting good results. Recently these guys have moved into viticulture and have managed to snare a couple of the big names in our area simply by getting better quality grapes - and boy has that annoyed the conventional agronomy people - my mate has had these company guys following him - waiting a couple of hours after he leaves the client farm then going in to badmouth all the information he gave the farmer. One company has devised a contract that they have fooled some farmers into signing - a combination of cheap finance for purchases and low fees for crop monitoring with a sneaky little clause that says that the farmer agrees not to use anything not recommended and sold by that company - my mate has hardly started but he's made the opposition mad as hell already - you can bet they will have a lot of dirty tricks left yet - up to and including direct sabotage of some of his clients crops if thats what it takes. He could not possibly have done them serious damage yet but they see a clear threat and are acting accordingly, this is only LOCAL sales companies yet - not the big boys! I think Hugh is entirely correct to say keep our heads down and not make them take us seriously - there are a lot of receptive people out there - anybody doing cell grazing is a prospect - farmers are turning up in droves to eco farmer seminars, phil wheeler , arden andersen, gary zimmer, we could probably do a repeat of Hugh's tour next year and get the same sort of attendance as recently - they're out there, some of em are ready and some not. Cheers all, Lloyd Charles
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
- Original Message - From: Ross McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose? To Lloyd Charles , please ask the guys with the foliar sprays to contact me and we may be able to help them in this area - Hunter valley thanks Ross McDonald Hi Ross More info please - are you an interested grower - possible reseller - winemaker ? I am happy to pass your message along just need a little direction so I know I am not putting my foot in something warm green and smelly. cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
- Original Message - From: Ross McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose? Lloyd, I am a grape grower and sell wine under my Macquariedale label both here in Oz and export a little to Canada and USA. I am persuing the BD principles in grape growing at this stage and will then move to the wine making aspects. regards Ross Hi Ross contact Murray Stivens (pronounced Styvens) phone 0269 536274 fax0269 536376 He will be in the lower hunter (cessnock area) around 24th april.
Re: GAIA
From: Eric Myren Here is what D. Cruse had to say when I questioned him about the Taoist belief that THE WAY to live fully was through total union with NATURE. I am sure this is old hat to most on the list. Hi Eric - dont be so sure about that, any time you can post on the spiritual side in a manner that is understandable to the normal guy in the street , please do, You will get my attention every time, most of those type posts that come here are way over my head and I'm sure there are many like me (they dont say much about it). Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Dear Hugh You may have guessed there was more intended in my last post - I hit send instead of save - at any rate most of what I meant to say seems to have come across. Thanks for your thoughts. I have strong opinions on the way the high country is being, and should be managed, (mismanaged). I've spent a lot of time up there since I was a kid and my family has close connections with people that lived and worked there way back before it was turned into an incendiary device (national park). Educated people would not agree with me but they dont know the land over a long period and most of them have motives that relate more to politics than anything else. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
Hugh wrote Right now Im faced with a conumdrum. At Albury folks were presented with a procedure in its full-blown oiperation using both card instruments and dial instruments. They saw the treatments get set up and turned on and maybe they saw when they were turned off That's the shape those who attended Aulbury and the other workshops are presently in. They saw the operation, but now they need a couple of days real hands on with coaching to be able to go home and do this work. And there's several stages where they need coaching. Probably the dowsing is the most critical as almost anyone can turn a dial and select a card or remedy. The dowsing, of course, will take time to build up confidence and accuracy. But a lot of them need to get some real hands-on practice with a coach first. That's the need--to give some real hands-on coaching, practical stuff where everyone brings an instrument and we pair off and practice. I'll see what I can do about coming up with a set of exercises. Lorraine Cahill, who works with me here at UAI, would be good at this. It doesn't matter too much what kind of instrument, we can work with it. Dear Hugh Maybe we could get some local groups going with this. If Lorraine could work up a set of excercises so we're all going in the same direction, we should be able to yard up some coaches to take groups of say twenty and just work on the dowsing side - its mainly a practice and confidence thing - questioning technique is a problem for a lot of people too. I feel confident enough with my pendulum to take a group and I'm sure we could find others to do so in the other regions but I think this needs some direction. When you come out in July/August how much time will you have available for possibly running smaller regional workshops? Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose?
- Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Austr. Workshop/ What was the purpose? Dear Hugh, Tobias is correct about the rain around Albury, we had good rain at our farm (almost five inches) and there has been from two inches up to ten or so as you travel north from us into SE queensland, most of the eastern side of the wheat belt and into the tablelands had useful to good falls and most of the coastal strip from Victorian border to well up into queensland. The inland areas - western NSW and Queensland missed out and that is a large area of country - we had a not so subtle reminder of it yesterday - 40+ mph NW winds carrying red dust all day when the wind eased and turned south west last night we got visibility reduced to about 80 yards and quite a bit of fallout. The rain petered out as you got closer to Albury - most farmers around there are probably not all that happy. However there are a few things to consider. 1. There is several million acres of the alpine country and surrounding forest areas burnt to a cinder - mostly in an arc around the east and south east of Albury, probably the most damaging wild fires we have had since white settlement. 2. much of this damage is within the catchment of the hume dam and a lot of the rest is catchment for the snowy mountains hydro scheme 3. If the Albury area and east into the mountains had recieved the same amount and like manner of rain that we got on our farm, it would have been a disaster of mammoth proportions , the Hume dam would now be half full of ash, mud and the remains of dead things, damage to infrastructure in the high country would be a huge mess - what that country most desperately needs is several light gentle falls of rain to germinate some ground cover and stabilise the soil before any major rainfall rips it to shreds. 4. When we do these radionic treatments we ask ''for the good of all and to the detriment of no one'' or something of similar meaning - do we interpret this as ''for the greater good''
Re: Monsanto's Wheat
From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Monsanto's Wheat The post I sent about the Saskatchewan Organic directorate was meant as information, I came across while on the net. about Monsanto's GM Wheat and what one group of farmers are in Canada is doing about the problem. Saskatchewan is a huge province, the main crop is wheat and many consider it to be the bread basket of the world. These people are at the forefront of the fight. do what you can locally this must be stopped I know I sound like a fanatic No way - Eric you sound like a farmer thats THINKING, they are thin on the ground at the moment . I guess as an Aussie grain farmer I should be temporarily pleased if canada gets gmo wheat except that shortly after we will also fall into the trap. If your industry goes that way we in Australia will enjoy a temporary bonus of an increase in price of anywhere from 20 to 50 dollars a ton until they get us contaminated too. This happened with canola but the party is almost over, commercial gmo release going ahead in victoria and probably west australia if not this season then next will see canola prices to aussie farmers retreat by 50 bucks a ton BACK TO the same A$/C$ relationship that we had before this crap all started. Farmers are not doing their sums ! In Aus you would have to get at least a 30% yield increase from GMO canola just to square the books on extra cost of growing the stuff - we all know thats impossible, but the farmers are treading the path to destruction like a mob of sheep - following the one in front for no good reason except that he already made a track. I see wheat as a more difficult sell for the companies but I guess they hope they will get enough out there to contaminate seed supplies and the courts will do the rest. Lloyd Charles
Re: Phenology and Weather, Aboriginal style
And Now for the Weather, Aboriginal Style Mon March 17, 2003 09:52 AM ET By Michael Perry SYDNEY, Australia (Reuters) - When the bearded dragon lizard sits upright and points its head to the sky, it is going to rain the next day. If a flock of currawongs flies overhead, you have four hours to get the washing off the line. Hi Steve and All I would take this stuff with a grain or two of salt - the lizard sits like that to warm himself - its his favourite posture - sitting on a sloping rock - as for the currawongs if you dont get the washing in pronto when you see these guys they will be back soon to poop all over it and steal the clothespegs! It might rain and it might not. The northern aboriginal stuff is nothing more or less than you would get from interviewing any stockman or knockabout bushie with some life experience in the territory - I guess I am always amused when educated dudes go out and discover things that most locals take as common knowledge, (and anything of aboriginal culture has a nice money tag on it these days) We all watch the ants - these little guys know a thing or two. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Phenology and Weather, Aboriginal style
50,000 years of sustainable living, that's going back in time. Hi Steve and Dom I guess I just have a different opinion about what 5 years of indiscriminate use of the firestick has done to the vegetation of this continent. L Charles.
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
Hi James and Tony James wrote (a while back) I love my plants and take great delight in growing plants that have a look of vitality about them. Although they may appear to be very vital plants, each year the seed loses some of it's vitality. Then Tony James Some time ago when Peter Bacchus and I were working together in the fields we had a great discussion on plant breeding and the use of BD preps to effect this . What comes to mind ,as no notes were taken we were grubbing weeds, was that we talked about the use of different preps to aid in cross breeding to improve colour, quality, vigour etc. We started out about eight years ago using a compounded (hot mix) trace element seed dressing - immediate visible increase in seedling vigour and for pennies an acre we got eight to sixteen % measured grain yield increase from that one small input, we have since moved on from that material (we hope) to using a remineralising fertility program and seed dressings and foliars based on natural materials like fish, kelp etc. The vitality of our seed wheat increases steadily with each generation and I believe the key to it is availability and uptake of trace minerals. What method we use to achieve this is of minor importance. For the conventional farmer down the road a cutback in toxic inputs and use of the seed dressing product we used initially is probably best bet, a BD farmer has a philosophic need to look to some other method, so catalysing rock dust input with the preps becomes the way for some. Whatever it takes to get those trace minerals into the plant and concentrated in the fruit or seed is whats needed. I believe thats a major factor in what we are calling 'vitality' Cheers Lloyd Charles ps for all I think on our farm we are starting out from a much lower base of vitality than what James would have so its easier to make progress .
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
- Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:45 AM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. Lloyd Trials we have done with our preparations have shown that 250mls per hectare is about the lowest amount I would suggest you apply for 1:10 hand potentised preps. More is probably OK for most circumstances, however less is definitely not suggested - by me anyway. Tests are good Glen A Thanks Glen With single potencies I use the instrument to potentise the tank load - thats easy - for combinations I have been potentising a twenty litre drum of each then adding those to the tank - works out to about 750ml / ha of each. I also believe that combinations made with an instrument (say four weed peppers on the plate potentised into a tank at once) are far less effective than making the four singly with the same instrument and mixing in the tank, my dowsing says the extra trouble is worth it. Many will disagree with this (my instrument maker for sure thinks I am wrong) For these potentised remedies to work in anything like the manner that we talk of, the energy pattern must be locked into the original substance that we potentise, the water (or other medium) that we use later to spread it over the treated area can have no dilution effect on the actual potentised substance so yes I think your 250ml is low enough. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: World of Weeds
- Original Message - From: Dave Robison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:47 AM Subject: OT: World of Weeds Off topic: David Quammen is one of my favorite nature writers. I was glad to see this article posted, on the dismal topic of how we are destroying the natural world. http://www.well.com/user/davidu/weeds.html David Robison Hi David Thought you might enjoy this bit of wisdom from Rudyard Kipling 'at the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased' and the epitaph drear A fool lies here - who tried to poison the weeds Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:28 AM Subject: Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils In a message dated 3/13/03 7:56:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My question is what is vitality and what enlivens it in the soil. James when we get that figured out we will be able to retire on the proceeds. Are you'all kiddin'??? Put away the radionics instruments, pick up your buckets and stirring sticks insert 500, bc, and equisetum; stir and apply. This will break the needle off of your vitality meter. When you are ready I have several stirring machines available. This has been my hesitation with radionics, field broadcasters, saw-tees, etc. as oposed to conventional bd stirring and spraying and praying. My soils and my clients have an unmistakable vitality that whispers in your ear from across the street, beckoning the observer to come and see, one application does the trick, subsequent apps serve to increase not to break your chops.sstorch I guess that does look kinda dumb when you put it up on its own! Ah well! late nights and junk food will do that. But hey - why does it have to be as opposed to why not 'in concert with' . I dont see this as a competition between different ways of doing things! And as for conventional, I reckon anybody that called Steve Storch conventional would be delivering a huge insult. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Vitality and fertility ofsoils
- Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Vitality and fertility ofsoils Dear Lloyd, Steve and fellow list members, In Bruce Copen's Agricultural rates there are the rates for soil testing with Carey Reams techniques. Amongst these rates is one for testing the vitality of the soil. Vitality of the soil seems to not get coverage on BDnow. Maybe one of the reasons is that until I started to research this concept I had never heard of vitality as being measurable parameter of soil. I write this in the hope that some of you who have experience of Reams techniques may be able to enlighten me, or head me in the direction of further areas of study of his methods. Lloyd knows our property, red basalt soil, 3200 cgs on average, averages 6% organic matter, high mineralisation and a dream soil for anyone to start with. There is only one problem, when you test the soils in our cultivation paddocks radionically it gives a reading of about 10% vitality, and the same for fertility. My definition for fertility is the ability of plants grown to reproduce true to type with maximum viability, which is a true reflection of the fertility of the soil. In other words they need to have inbuilt vitality and an inbuilt toughness. Hi James Some of the followers of Carey Reams ideas would tell you that those really good soils like yours are often very difficult to manage when they get out of shape, they are strongly fertile and highly buffered and they resist our efforts to change them in whatever direction we are meaning to move. They can be exploitatively farmed for a long period but then restoration takes equally long, trace element imbalances that dont appear that serious can take a lot of effort to correct etc. When we look at the bush in your area there is a marked lack of diversity compared to poorer soil types nearby, this is something we see all over Australia, in the most fertile soil areas the natural vegetation appears as almost a mono culture (the mitchell grass plains or the riverina floodplain covered with redgum) whereas in the poorest soil types there is an unbeleivable diversity of species (west australias sand plain country or the pilliga for example) maybe this lack of diversity in the original vegetation also supports a restricted microbial species range that makes it difficult to grow some introduced crop plants even with the high mineral fertility that is there? My question is what is vitality and what enlivens it in the soil. James when we get that figured out we will be able to retire on the proceeds. Seriously though I have a couple more questions to add When we test radionically for GV just what are we measuring? And (this one has been rattling around my head for quite a while) Is it really the best thing to treat a crop or seed or whatever so that we wind the GV reading up to the absolute maximum we can get? I guess I am thinking about balance - can we have too much vitality and not enough substance? See I have this picture of a fine bred arab horse that will run until it dies in mid stride - the vitality of spirit is far in excess of its physical ability. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
- Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants. Dear Lloyd, The idea that potentised preps stay put as proposed by Glen does not agree with my understanding and use of radionically prepared substances. If radionic preps stayed put you would not be able to use a small amount in your BC and expect it to permeate through the whole mix. It would just be a few drops scattered amongst the compost. if there was not a radiational effect Glen would not be able to claim that his possum retardant can be mixed into sand and a handful thrown out every 20 metres or so. To say that there is not a radiational effect from the use of radionically prepared substances implies that somehow different laws apply to radionics than apply to the rest of the natural world. It is difficult to isolate a trial area, as you have commented, but not impossible. One method used by Bruce Copen to define the area for a radionic broadcast trial was to mark off the area to be tested with 4 copper rods sticking out of the ground to a height of 1 metre and then take soil or leaf samples from this area as a witness. The radionic broadcast then confines to the marked area. Hi James I dont disagree with what you wrote but does this all maybe come back to intent . If Glens underlying intent when potentising his remedies was that they would only treat where they were sprayed then I believe that is what would happen, and if you believe or intend that what you do will radiate out then that should be what happens with yours. This is a major factor in radionics and we probably all under rate it. Cheers Lloyd Charles 'thought preceeds energy - energy preceeds substance'
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Dear Glen and James Can we take the definitions just a bit further please - maybe we can save confusing people any further. I am sloppy with language - my Granma used to chastise me for it when I was a kid and I have not improved much! So some of this is undoudtedly due to that. # Glen - When you say potentised preps is that specifically potentised by dilution and sucussion? # When I talk of radionically prepared preps I mean things that are potentised by instrument but are then applied by spraying out onto a target . I have assumed that both of the above stay where you put them and was hoping that your work would support that assumption in both cases. (this has important implications for how we use these) #Application of either of the above by radionic broadcast of any type I would expect to radiate out to boundaries and be difficult to keep from effecting small areas (test plots) within the broader boundary. Does this make sense? does this agree with your experience or have I strayed somewhere? You have been doing this a lot longer than me and I would appreciate your guidance Thanks Lloyd Charles
Re: Organic food with higher Brix
From: Alberto Machado Sorry for my intromission , Brix , mesures all solids that are soluble on the plant not only the sugars , including minerals, protein , these with the higher sugar give a sweeter tasting if soil is in god conditions , crops with higher Brix produce more alcool for the micobiology , tastes better , are more insects resistant, and better shelf life. But in grass witch I work is hard to extract the liquid sample, normaly you use the intermidiate leaf of the pant. Hi Alberto Thanks for your contribution on brix - do not worry about your spelling you bring us good information - keep up the good work. We use the refractometer a lot and if you are having trouble getting a sap sample from grass plants I use a pair of modified vice grip pliers that work really well. If you like to send me a fax number offlist then I can fax you the drawing of these pliers and you could make a pair. (or have some made) They dont cost much to make and really do work. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
Hi Glen Thanks for the reply # Glen - When you say potentised preps is that specifically potentised by dilution and sucussion? Yes prepared physically by hand. I still have a lot of my chemical farmer mentality hanging around in the background - if I made -say - a weed pepper hand potentised how much quantity of it would I need to put into my 1300litre spray tank to cover 26 hectares? Cheryl tells me 10 drops is enough and while in theory I can say she may be right, I have a mental problem with ten drops. I can not really help you with radionically applied either by spray or device, and their effect, as I have not had alot of experience of them. Looks like I need to trial this at home. Can someone provide some picture evidence of the effect on plants re radionic preps verses control please, ala those on my website / Case Studies? I might have a couple of good pictures soon that would help with this, can I email them to you. (thats if i can get them scanned in properly) cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm
- still getting the bugs out of my application system - just about got that sorted - I've been running the brewer like a big ginger beer plant , taking out half the brew each morning and night and refilling and feeding, immediately , I can get it back up OK in the 8 hours or so and again for the morning, seems to be working OK. So I can get two lots of 800 litres out of my tank each day. It took me a little while to figure out how to do this stuff but it was dead simple in the end . Once I unsubscribed from the compost tea list things got a lot easier. Elaine could have told us how to do this in two sentences, but they all made it sound so complicated and expensive. Blew the recirculating pump this morning but got a brand new one under warranty (two year warranty was better than I expected) I've been tapping away here for a while - better go Cheers for now Lloyd Charles
Re: Chromas and humus Was Electronic homeopathy for plants.
- Original Message - From: Steve Diver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm Chromas as intellectual curiosity? Chromas are a practical approach to the humus farmers in Austria and Switzerland, who work their soils with humified compost, cover crops, spading machines, rotations, and related humus management practices to achieve biological health, clay-humus crumb, and associated mineral availability. Hi Steve I dont think you'd get much argument about the value of chromas as you have described above Lets come back around the circle and look at this again 1 I made some barrel compost using radionically made preps instead of the physical ones - heck I had enough cow manure for two pits and only one set of preps - and I was curious as to what would happen. 2. The stuffs done and visually there is no difference and there was none as it went through the process 3 We tested these two lots energetically with a radionic machine and by dowsing and for practical purposes there was not much difference (the radionic one a little ahead but not that different) 4 Allan suggested a chroma test of produce grown ( vegetables grain or whatever) using radionic and conventional preps as a comparison. I dont have a problem with chromas for this. 5 I questioned how you would do this because any conventional preps used will spread their influence betyond the application area and probably effect the plots using radionic preps (Glen Atkinson tells us that potentised preps will 'stay put' only effecting where they are applied) If we are going to do comparison tests and then draw some qualitative conclusion from them they must be valid comparisons. My thinking from here on in is that a farm to farm comparison is a real good way of comparing the two farms but a completely invalid way of comparing any one treatment used on the both farms because of the other variables we have introduced - and none of us have the time, money, or energy to spare to do enough of these tests to make it valid. If we cant draw some useful conclusions from the simpler tests we are able to do then maybe its better if we dont draw any conclusions at all. Which brings me back around to the start of your message. If these Swiss and Austrian farmers are using chromas effectively to look at the humus quality of their soil then that should be an ideal way of comparing two batches of barrel compost ? - (I favour energetic testing myself but that has already tested out very similar). I spoke to Cheryl Kemp about this yesterday and will send some samples, I'm sure she would be happy to post the chroma pictures to the Biodynamic Agriculture Australia web site for all to see when the tests are done. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm
From: Steve Diver The typical NPK soil test, even the Albrecht soil test, is largely irrelevant from this humus perspective. Hi Steve I would like to pursue this a bit. Maybe I think a bit different to most but I reckon the main benefit of a proper soil test (a good Albrecht type analysis) is the detailed trace element analysis - of course you have to pay the rate to get it and many people are not prepared to go whole hog on a soil test. The majors are simple and cheap - you can get Calcium , magnesium, potassium and sodium off any old twenty dollar soil test and run an 'Albrecht balance' off those numbers and most times you will come out with a workable result - there is a bit of math involved and some conversion figures sometimes - it helps to know the cheap test numbers in comparison to a perry or brookside but you can do this . OTOH A decent trace element analysis is not something you can get cheap. For trace element numbers you need to go to a good lab and pay the price and also do any retests with that same lab. Trace element nutrition is something that many organic farmers neglect almost as badly as their chemical cousins and I really dont see how you can get this right (or know that it is right) without some proper soil testing. Of course I dont know those Swiss soils - maybe they are so loaded with minerals and energy that the farmers dont need to look for anything extra - Quartz crystal that I have seen from there is the best energetically. Tell us what they are doing that makes testing irrelevant Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: organic food
- Original Message - From: Eric Myren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:31 AM Subject: organic food Anyone that believes that organic food is not healthier than conventional food is inherently stupid and a victim of multi-national disinformation Eric - they are only as dumb as those that think that ALL organic food is better than ALL non organic food - we need to make the distinction between food grown to minimum organic certification standards and properly grown organic food with trace mineral integrity and high energy. BIG difference!! Lloyd Charles
Re: Electronic homeopathy for plants. Was Re: late winter farm
My paper on Luebke compost has all the details on humus testing methods used by the European farmers. But you have to click on Google cache to get it. Sorry, Steve - Can you give better directions on how to locate this? Thanks _Allan Me too please Lloyd Charles
Re: organic food
Nobody mentioned taste yet! Allan - if you had some samples of supermarket produce alongside yours, and the taste was chalk and cheese (in favour of yours of course) how many of your customers would then complain about the price? Just a thought Lloyd Charles
Re: put me out of business!
Oh, I wanted to ask the Australians here, a lady on another list (heirloom seeds), commented that ya'll can't import corn seed. Is that true? What types do you grow for yourself, and is anyone doing similar work to Hugh Lovel and Alan Kapular with corn genetics? We are unable to easily import anything that has a remote chance of being alive! Very strict quarantine laws - Aussie light horsemen (cavalry) had to shoot their mounts before returning home from the boer war and ww1 because of these rules - in theory you cannot bring in a good western saddle because of the rawhide covered tree (spose most of em are degenerated to fiberglass by now). There is a small company in northern NSW called Eden seeds who have a good catalog of open pollinated seeds, mostly they sell below the cost of comparable sized packs in the supermarket, and the seeds I have had from them have been good quality, vigorus, and true to description. Much of the stock is biodynamically grown, they also sell some bd and eco farmer books at very reasonable prices. Probably have at least twenty tomato varieties and ten or so of corn and sweet corn - we grew the multi colour aztec sweet corn two years ago - these people have plenty of genetic base material available for anyone that wanted to do the sort of thing that Hugh Lovel is doing - but we are different - corn for grain is not a very important crop in our country - our confinement livestock industry is built around small grains, wheat, barley, instead of corn and lupin, faba beans replacing soy for protein. Most corn grown goes either for canning under contract or is grown close to large feedlots for green chop silage. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Basalt
Ed on a side note...if one does locate a source of rock close to home, how would one go about checking the paramagnetic qualities of such a material?? (where can it be sent?) I have sent this out to a couple of others on the list it may help you When you are looking at rock dusts you can do a simple test for paramagnetism that will let you sort some of them out. I use a stack of little strong magnets on a string - the magnets that people use in healing patches are ideal. These are about a quarter inch round (called neo dimium I think) and you use them for pain relief - stuck on the skin in a little circular bandaid patch - I bet you know somebody that uses these - anyway about four used ones of these in a little stack (or anything similar) - tie a cotton or light string around the middle so you can hang the magnet down about a foot - now this is a sensitive scientific instrument so we need to calibrate it - get a sample of paramagnetic rock that you know the test reading of and keep it for reference (about 3000 to 4000 cgs is ideal) - use 35mm film canisters for the rock samples (or a paper envelope) - hold the canister in one hand on its side and the magnet on a string in the other - contact the magnet to the end of the canister then slowly move the string hand away - keeping just enough tension so there is no slack in the string but not pulling either - with reasonably good rock you find the string on about 45 degree angle before the magnet comes away - this is a good and quite accurate test IF you have a known rock for comparison and it lets you take a preliminary look at anything you find without spending any money - only thing is you need a strong little magnet - the sort they use for fridge ornaments are not good enough. This method lets you test local rock any time you see it and once you have a known sample to compare with I think its a good enough test for paramagnetic activity, once you get that far then I think that testing money is better spent looking at what is the mineral makeup of the rock - some rocks have good paramagnetism but lousy trace mineral analysis. Your prices for rock seem high unless this is a special fine grind for farming - we can buy the best rock in Aus for around 50bucks a ton ex the quarry - but we only can get crusher dust grade this goes from about 3/16 down to powder most of its like sand. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Off topic posts
Tony N-S wrote Can another Tony chip in? Sorry, folks, but the conception which liberals in Britain have of U.S. Americans, based largely on the loudest noises which reach us from across the Atlantic, is of uncultured and unsympathetic rednecks prepared to blast off the face of the Earth anyone who stands in their materialistic way. Tony why is it that the poor country bumpkin gets the blame - the loud noise you hear is generated and deftly edited by the media barons and money moguls who are the real problem - the 'gun totin rednecks' are used up as cannon fodder any time it suits the purpose. Some of your 'cultured' english liberals will be among the major winners from a war in the middle east - dont put all the blame on the americans - bush could not have gotten away with this on his own - he needed to get some other fools involved - england and australia jumping in was enough to let him wind things up at home. bush , blair and howard are only puppets doing someone else's dance anyhow (except when, in the distant past, I was flamed by Greg Willis!) A dose of Greg Willis' fire would do this list a power of good at the moment. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: late winter farm
Hi Steve - great post - great holiday too I bet! The green house is filling up with flats of newly seeded trays. This week I will go in and spray with a bc tea laced with trace minerals. Can you tell us exactly how you make the trace element fortified BC - lack of attention to trace element nutrition is one of the major problems suffered by BD. What do you use as source of traces and what special measures do you take to maintain the microbial integrity of your BC? . This would be valuable information for many on the list. While we are on barrel compost - several months back I posted the start of an experiment using radionically prepared compost preps to make it . The result seems to be good , the both conventional prepped and radionic prepped pits performed almost identically , turned at the same time , both finished with the same dark colloidal feel , and we tested energy wise at the Hugh Lovel workshop with a radionic machine and three of us dowsed for energy - both samples gave good readings - the radionic one a little higher but no significant difference. Have not stirred and applied any yet but have some real nice aerobic tea brewing using a couple of scoops of it in the tea bag. I dont expect the traditionalists on the list to go into raptures over this but I believe that we need to know if these things can work. It could be useful to use some radionically prepared prep water in any making of BD preps - This afternoon I will spray the thousand yards of leaves delivered to the farm by the town with equisetum, bc, and 500. Our local town council gathers fallen leaves over autumn, I am investigating the cost of getting them delivered, almost exclusively london plane trees is this worthwhile? Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Spring news
From: The Korrows Christy wrote our latest revelation is that the small percentage of organic farms (8000 certified farms in the US- 90,000 farms in Kentucky alone) is not going to turn around agriculture, Its a shame more people in organic and biodynamic agriculture dont realise this - certification is the problem! It infers an all or nothing situation - either you go organic and become certified or you remain (in the eyes of the certified) a chemical farmer. The greatest benefit to agriculture will come from integration of biodynamic and organic practices on conventional (chemical) farms, after all if you eliminate entirely the use of chemicals on a small area say ten or twenty acres of certified land, in the overall scheme of things thats not much chemical. A reduction in the rate applied on one normal scale commercial farm would make a far more significant reduction in amount of chemical used and it is easy to do. We just have to get the farmers attention and show that these things work on normal commercial farms. Greg Willis is doing this, Glen Atkinson in new Zealand has trial results supporting his use of bdpreps on chemical farms replacing toxic chemical applications with potentised preps, we are seeing these things, and other non toxic tactics working on our own farm. There is a huge opportunity here for serious reductions in toxic chemical usage without the attendant reductions in crop yield and financial pain. But I still cop a fair amount of flack along the lines of ' when are you going to do things properly and get certified' from some people within the bd movement - I admit its got more friendly as time goes on (or am I less sensitive to it). I realise we need some of the purist approach or the whole thing will get watered down to mediocrity but I also think that many people dont consider the first step because they are under the impression that they have to go the whole way or there will be no result. Painless transition should be our aim! Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: late winter farm
I dont expect the traditionalists on the list to go into raptures over this but I believe that we need to know if these things can work. It could be useful to use some radionically prepared prep water in any making of BD preps - Lloyd - What I'd like to see is chromas comparing crops (carrots, for example) grown in radionically prepped soils and in conventional BD prepped soils. We can have good physical appearances but still not have everything that we are looking for in BD food. Are you up for doing something like this? Allan The way I understand this type of comparison trial its difficult to do because of the crossover effect of physical preps? 500 will spread its influence over the general area treated? We 'd assume that the other preps do likewise. I know Hamish says its not necessary to cover every square yard when you spray the preps - so to move away from this influence for a comparison we then introduce the change in soil types as a variable? I'll talk to Cheryl maybe they can do chromas on the actual BC, I think one of the members in the Bellingen area is up to doing chromas, its beyond me at this stage (and outside of my interest) there are more basic problems need attention. I think I've said to you before I like to come at things from as many different angles as I can, I'm certainly not advocating giving up making proper preps and doing it all off cards, but why not use the radionics to add some extra? I think Steve Storch is doing stuff like this now - maybe not radionically. Any of these easy things we should do any chance we get - it may not be ideal but if it gets done easy and cheap it must add to the overall effect. With my potentiser, cards and ash samples, anytime I put anything liquid out I can add some preps or pepper weeds to bolster the effect of the broadcaster, its easy and there is no cost. Will let you know if anything develops Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Three-Up Tour compost tea brew
- Original Message - From: Rambler Flowers LTD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Three-Up Tour compost tea brew Hi Lloyd I have made a small 50Litre brewer made from an old stainless steel LPG cylinder with a couple of air stones an air pump it cost me about $60. I have used worm compost worm leachate, comphrey tea with some equisetum and barrel compost,humic acid, hydroslated fish kelpand rockdust to produce a rich smelling frothy ttea in about 24 hrs. I have been aiming for a balanced fungal/bacterial tea this has been fed to the crop through the trickle and overhead irrigation. I have been impressed on simple and easy it is to make and use. Even tho we have had one of the most difficult growing seasons for a long time I am very impressed with the quality of my crops .Best yet. Have you had any sample testes by SFW yet? Hi Tony I have not had any tests done - like you I am relying on feel and smell, we are only applying to fallow ground and stubble residue at the moment, I would use the brix meter on crop. I put my brew straight out - I do a tank at evening and morning and am running the brewer like a ginger beer plant - take out half the mix and top up with more water and nutrient - its back to full strength in 6 to 8 hours - (forgot - I took the compost bag out after 24 hours - I think its a major source of the dreaded biofilm/anaerobic stuff as it gets old) dont know how long this will last for but boy its simple!. I dare say Elaine would not approve of my methods, and if this was going on food crops we would have to test (funny how you can spray endosulfan on tomatoes two days before harvest without needing to test for residue - but compost tea is dangerous). Keep in touch , this is looking interesting. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Did someone say fruitloops?
- Original Message - From: Moen Creek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BDNow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:52 AM Subject: Did someone say fruitloops? http://virga.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_norhem_00.gif Power on!?! L*L Markess WOW WHAT A VORTEX!! a manmade upper level cyclone the size of the north american continent - wonder what they do next ? Lloyd Charles
Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ?
- Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ? Dear Lloyd, et. al., Just a word as I try going through my e-mail now that I'm back home. Cloudbusters? I drew this all out at Albury. These are extremely powerful--and dangerous--orgone devices. Dear Hugh Thanks for the thoughts but I think you misread my post (understandable, I can imagine the amount of mail you faced when you got back) Just so you dont think I have gone off the rails here is what I wrote about the cloudbuster guys On a different tack I was contacted by a fellow yesterday who is in a group building a cloudbuster - west of me - I had not thought about this much but if there is one in that town then based on population there would be five of them around Albury - SCARY HEY! I AM AIMING TO MEET THESE GUYS (thats the group that rang me) AND ATTEMPT TO DISSUADE THEM FROM USING THE THING. Maybe if one knew what one was doing. I'm quite sure these fellows dont know what they are doing and they are west of me so are messing around with the weather that directly affects us. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: dragon lines
Dear James This below was part of your post to Roger recently - Would you be able to explain this further please (if you have the time) as it would seem that the dragon line is about where the recent rain stopped. I guess I am thinking about the possible effects of deep irrigation bores on underground energies, also there is a coal seam around oaklands that has had extensive exloration in the recent few years. I should know where Mount Elephant is but cant find a map in one piece to check it out. I'm interested in your further thoughts. Cheers Lloyd Charles The city of Albury cuts a dragon line that runs from Mount Elephant in the west and Table Top Mountain near Albury. Even today in China it is considered an offence against nature to cut through water or dragon lines. The Fon- Chei or Wind/Water man was called in, if he said that it was alright to build then the house was built, if he said no the house or structure was not built.
Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour--fish
- Original Message - From: Dorothy O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:29 AM Subject: RE: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour--fish Lloyd-- Did you ever figure out how to utilize your brother's fish? Hi Dorothy. Good to hear from you. The fish thing has gone on hold, my brother has managed to get whole fish markets for most of what he produces, and most of that is going out as live fish to the Asian restaraunt trade, so my source of fish remains has kinda dried up at the source. Dont know whether I am on the right track but I see freshwater fish as a inferior product (to use for crop nutrition) due to the fact that ocean fish have in the sea water a more full spectrum of minerals. Thats no excuse for not making use of a resource if its available! Anyway I am keeping watch on my brother in case the marketing thing changes again. I will pass Bob's info along , my brother may be interested in seeing him and everyone in agriculture should see Elaine's seminar at least once. Thanks and take care. Lloyd Charles
Re: Help with Our Feathered Friends
- Original Message - From: Spiritual Renaissance Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BDNOW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: Help with Our Feathered Friends It seems that our Feathered Friends really enjoy our crops. We have put reflector tape out, which only seems to work a few days. Does anyone have any workable solutions; physical, energetic or elemental? Thanks. TJH BD peppers applied at homeopathic potencies can work well, and applied radionically with a field broadcaster pipe can be very effective too, however its easier when the birds (or any mobile pest) have an alternative venue. You also need to be mad enough at the birds to kill one for the pepper or lucky enough to find a fresh one dead (road kill). Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
- Original Message - From: Garuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy Got the details? I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if we could collect this. GA Glen This is probably Randi - the guy is a first class a-- - you do not wanna go there. No matter what you managed to prove with this guy you will never get his money. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:33 AM Subject: Re: Gary Zimmer, Jerry Brunetti on the OZ/NZ Three-Up Tour send me your albrecht soil testsand quite a bit of interesting talk can be had, but the report can not tell you much about soil stucture. Your right -Two cents from downunder - I reckon structure has much more to do with live critters than chemistry - also believe that our soil amendment programs should be focussed on encouraging beneficial soil life to the maximum rather than on 'correcting' soil chemistry Even with excellent calcium and magnesiumI often find soils with very poor structure. Have taken thousands of soil samples...my self, and watched the correlation between crops performance and the analysis. How good is that correlation? do you see the difficult to explain results? ie: good crops on out of balance soils and poor performances on occasions from some of the perfect paddocks? Here is a riddle for you...I have soils with 9-15% humus as listed by perrry ag lab/Kinsey, yet (some) of these soils are infertile. Why? plenty of choices here: #humus contains large percentage of 'raw' material going through active decomposition = temporary tieup of nutrients specially trace elements #the large amount of humus and extra soil water has diluted the nutrient level - traces again #where did the 'humus' come from originally , you could have all sorts of im balances , wood chips, straw, (high potassium) , feedlot manure -high in potassium and sodium salts. many possibilities. lets hear some more Cheers Lloyd Charles
Three-Up Tour compost tea brew
March/Early April eductional tour. Gary Zimmer, one of the US' foremost biological farming teachers, and Jerry Brunetti, Americas foremost Hi Allan Its on at Young in NSW - 27/28th March cost $270 Australian for the two days Thanks for the tip off On a different tack - I have some compost tea brewing - yes! aerated tea just like the experts tell us to do. Only in my old rectangular milk vat with paddle stirrer and sump pump recirculating the brew for aeration. I am struck by how absurdly simple it is to do now that I have got the basic principle figured out and have got away from all the hype of fancy, expensive, machines, and super duper -you beaut, expensive feeds. In 400 gal I put about 40 to 50 lb of good (BD prep'ed) compost (in a bag made from plastic flyscreen mesh) , which included a couple double handfuls each of BD Barrel compost and fresh Worm castings. Then for food 2 litres of molasses,1 litre liquid kelp, a beancan of powdered humate. It seems to me that low rates of feeding are the key to making aerobic tea with unsuitable equipment. This is just like biodynamics - experts make it seem t complicated when its really simple - so people turn away or dont do it for fear of doing it wrong. Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ?
- Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: Re: UPDATE ON HUGH IN OZ? Dear Lloyd, I was not talking about Albury in general, only the area between Hume Weir and the airport which is probably about 10 minutes drive. Nice looking country, but to my eyes something is not right there. You might be right too - I was road raged by a dude in a landcruiser out that road one day - I was going 10km under the speed limit and slowed down another ten when he sat two feet off my back bumper with headlights on and horn blaring - he overtook on a double lined intersection then promptly pulled into his house - there were oncoming cars and this lunatic had his whole family on board. Also had a friend lived in east Albury and there were some very feral people living on that side of town - drugs and all the other unsavoury stuff that goes with it. Maybe the noxious energies are affecting the residents Anyhow when we go to the AGM hopefully will have more time to explore the area. Since the AGM Mudgee has flooded out, where large areas of the grape crop are under water. It is the last thing that anyone wants right in the middle of the picking season. As to the cloud buster it seems funny that it would have to built by a group. No - one of a group - there are about ten of these guys into all sorts of stuff - cars that run on water, free energy etc. Part of a larger organisation with a web site 'austral group.net I don't know why but my reaction to the cloud buster is to stay right away from them. Mine too. I have the plans for the croft version and looked long and hard at it last year, there may be a place for these devices but it is surely not in the hands of novices, nor the hands of anyone that does not make a living from agriculture, a town guy does not have enough to loose if he does damage with one of these! it might be alright in America where . I spend a lot of time studying the sky, and like you have never seen any signs of chemtrails over our area, only high flying jets. . mine is about riding a beautiful Arab mare which we broke in about 5 years ago, worked for a few weeks and then turned her out. My fear is what is she going to do. What did she do last time? If she never bucked under saddle then she'll be ok, if you take it easy with her. If she has ever unloaded anybody you have a problem. Trouble is she will know before you put a hand on her how you feel about the deal. Take care Lloyd Charles
Re: Worried About Anthrax? By Susun Weed
- Original Message - From: Jane Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bdnow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:24 AM Subject: Re: Worried About Anthrax? By Susun Weed Sorry, Pat, you'll have a hard time convincing me that a supplement is better for me than whole food. Hi Jane You may need the supplement too - unless the whole food is grown on soil that has a full spectrum of minerals available to the plants - most soils dont have this unless they (the soil) are supplemented - there is still a lot of minerally poor organic food in the market place - sure its better for the absence of chemicals but trace mineral nutrition of farmed soils is a big problem that gets scant attention right across the board. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: delaying budbreak with FB
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: delaying budbreak with FB Hi Laura Did you have any success with your broadcaster - slowing the vines down? Hugh and all other FB users this is my first season with my FB from Hugh. We had an unusually warm winter and still warmer spring (30 C yesterday) with lots of rain fall. The result is that my grapevines are hurdling towards budbreak much faster than I can prune. I am looking for advise on how to slow them down, hold the sap back ... ? I had a look at your website recently and recommend it to all (especially newcomers to BD) - I have read and heard a lot about the plant 'gestures' associated with BD - in Alex Podolinskys books,-also Allan Balliet said about his own home garden plants 'standing to attention' for weeks after spraying preps, Hugh Lovel and others have said similar things, all over my head until I SAW IT in your pictures of the vines - particularly the picture of the red variety in the 'a little about Biodynamics', this is a classic case of 'a picture worth a thousand words'. We have a lot of wine grapes near us so I am used to the look of commercial chemical nutrition vines - yours sure are different - I also observed this growth pattern at the Castagna vineyard at Beechworth in NE Victoria (they farm Biodynamic) - then went on to an organic vineyard where I am helping install a broadcaster pipe and it was totally absent - these people have been doing some BD but are in the process of falling off the (Podolinsky regulated) cart, and have slipped back to organic management, their vines have a similar growth habit as chemical farmed ones do. Anyway thanks for putting the link to your site on BDnow for us to see. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: OnT Does the benefit outweigh the detriment?
- Original Message - From: James Hedley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: Re: OnT Does the benefit outweigh the detriment? Dear James, Can I put a different twist on the short broadcast? (I dont think there's all that much wrong with longer broadcast times - as long as we dodge the no go zones as you and Ed have already covered - trines, nodes, mercury retrograde etc etc) - What I do think is happening is that with shorter broadcast periods there is much more active and effective participation by the person doing the treatment, and that is very important.(I jokingly spoke of 'serious intent' at Bellingen - thats what I mean here) I believe now that without that involvement, passive radionic devices like a field broadcaster will not work to anything like their true potential. Some people can maintain that active participation from afar (Peter Bacchus - Hugh Lovel) others make it like a little ritual setting up treatment, new potencies, putting it out there for a specific time etc. That seems to be what works for me. So my take is its the better operator involvement that is the main factor - What do you think? Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Peppering advice
- Original Message - From: Di Handley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BDNow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Peppering advice Kia ora wrote As the full moon is in Leo on Monday my understanding is that it is the best day for collecting weed seeds for peppering. Has anyone got any experience of collecting/burning/spraying back on the land that they are able to share. Hi Diana I collect things to burn on an opportunistic basis - when you see it grab it, often collecting the specimen is difficult to do at the correct timing for burning, - if you have the specimens already collected then you can make best advantage of the burning time. I think moon in leo is good for weeds. You may be able to dowse for better times but leo is a good place to start. Be aware that some plant material is toxic when burnt so dont fumigate yourself! cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: Cleaning Sprayers (from Cornell)
Roger Pye wrote recently re cleaning sprayers All designed to boost the economy, of course. Alternatively, you could use good old CT made in the oldfashioned way, pour some in the container for a short time before spraying it out, it will neutralise the chemicals and clean off any deposits. Clean containers that have held chemicals similarly, pour some in, shake well, leave for a time, shake well again, empty out, wash out with plain water. I am sorry Roger but for me not near good enough - In the event that someone on the list is trying to detox a sprayrig thats been used with the normal run of nasties - DO IT BY THE BOOK - and then some, for sulphony urea residue this means a big dose of pool chlorine through the entire system left to stand then flushed out (the SU chemicals will absorb into the pores of the plastic tank). Any sprayer thats had 24D in it will need every soft hose and rubber gasket replaced with new as well as a proper wash out, you need to dismantle the pump and valve assemblies to dislodge gunk whatever has been used. After you have done all this properly THEN use Roger's idea to get rid of the chlorine and soap that you cleaned with THEN spray out several tanker loads of CT as a soil drench NOW you may be able to go spray foliars on some of your less sensitive plants I am a transitioning farmer still using some of these toxic materials and this above is standard operating procedure at least a couple of times per season and I still would not be brave enough to use my cleaned rig in a vineyard. Apologies to anyone offended by this post but Allan originally posted information on cleaning from the cornell U and it would be financially very tempting for many beginning BD or Organics to buy an old sprayrig and clean it up, you can not smell or see the residue of some of the most persistent and low rate effective herbicides (the sulphony - urea group in particular) If you can scratch up the money for a new sprayer do it then none of this will be relevant. Cheers all, Lloyd Charles
Re: Farm Fish
- Original Message - From: Deborah Byron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: Tilapia Hello all fishy people, We are in drought in the land of Aus and farm water storages drying up fast, last week while pumping the last of a small farm dam (pond) to cart water for sheep we discovered some fish - escapees from a larger storage up the chain that we stocked in 1996 . We took 8 really nice golden perch (aussie natives) one of the premier table fish in this part of the world, averaging 3kg each live - worth about $40 -$60 each in the city fish markets - the water was teeming with life including a couple of crayfish and bucketfuls of guppie type small fish, insects etc - and the fish fat - obviously plenty of food in this small water (about 20 meters X 10 ). My brother has a fish farm commercial scale but he can't farm these fish as they wont take pellet feed, that would be my advice to anyone wanting to have some fish as a sideline - grow a top quality variety that wont eat crap food - at least then when you harvest you have something special. Cheers all Lloyd Charles
Re: sheep know, so do cows
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: sheep know, so do cows In 1964, my Daddy put down a good deal of chemical fertilizer. We had pretty good pastures and they instantly went to 'lush green fields' he was pleased. But it made him 'sick as a dog' to handle the stuff, and we ended up having to buy hay mid summer because the cows wouldn't eat any of it. They were up to their bellies in 'showplace green' and wouldn't touch the stuff. That was the last and only time anything has been added that came out of a bag. If the cows didn't want it, I didn't see any point in it. Hi Martha Not all that comes out of a bag is necessarily bad though! Our sheep (and also the local kangaroos) will also preferentially graze where we have used conventional phosphorus fertiliser in comparison to our unfertilised native pasture. The material that we are using in our remineralising fertiliser program is not certified organic and the whole program would likely be treated with scorn by many of the purists in biodynamics (some on this list even). Point I'm trying to make is that there is more problem in the way that chemical fertilisers have been used and promoted for use, than there is in the actual product in many instances. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: sheep know, so do cows
- Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:53 PM Subject: Re: sheep know, so do cows I'm trying to make is that there is more problem in the way that chemical fertilisers have been used and promoted for use, than there is in the actual product in many instances. Dear Lloyd - Do you mind stating that a little more clearly...or do I mean 'exlicitly'? -Allan Allan Martha got it OK but a couple of fr instances may help 1. Dolomite is widely and actively promoted as a soil amendment, and called lime, where often the product used should be high calcium ag lime (starts at the home gardener level) and the people doing this KNOW that the use of excess available magnesium will deplete nitrogen and thus generate sales of bagged nitrogen 2. Nitrogen fertilisers started life as disposal problems from industry - Sulphate ammonia (while a good product used in the right place in moderation) was a by product of steel production - and later synthetics, nylon manufacturing. Ammonium nitrate is a high explosive base - excess wartime capacity left a problem - how to keep the plants open ? geee lets sell it to the farmers! 3. Anhydrous ammonia (gas) is invariably drilled into farm soils using a chisel plow or similar implement (to hold it in the soil) it goes in deeper than normal cultivation in most cases, particularly the first time over, there is usually a significant yield improvement the first time a farmer does this and he's hooked! Little thought is given to the possibility that the chisel plow cultivation may have had something to do with it and maybe the gas tap could have been turned off and got a similar result, once the farmer is on the bandwaggon tho' the use of gas burns out organic matter, fumigates the microbes and ensures an ongoing demand for the product. The scientists and agronomists behind the scenes know all this, but soil health is not part of the agenda. We can go out and use anhydrous with very little ill effect if its first put through water to make liquid ammonia and used in small amounts combined with biologicals and carbon material - you dont get this info at the local fertiliser coop! Lloyd Charles
Re: towers of power
- Original Message - From: Gil Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: towers of power Hi! Dwayne, There is still a lot of work t be done to perfect Towers of Power. Phil Callahan, in a letter to me, said he finds better results with adding paramagnetic material to the soil. Hi Dwayne , Gil et al I have a small one of these in place and believe its doing something energetically, however I agree with Gil on mixing up the design. If you are wanting to build a broadcast type device then the Hugh Lovel pipe or several other radionic type gadgets would be a better choice I believe. (Gil has a design for kites, James Hedley builds a pyramid broadcaster, there are others)
Re: Trace elements hybrid corn
This month Acres had an interview with DR Gerald Olarsch. The article claims that research done in forties indicated that crops grown from hybrid seed (particularly corn) 'are incapable of taking up nutrients or trace elements'. Being a sweet corn junkie this came as rather a shock. Is this true? Anyone familiar with these studies ? Ron Poitras Hi Ron I dont know the science of this but its pretty well accepted in eco farming circles that hybrids are able to grow successfully on trace element deficient soils conversely that open pollinated and really any older varieties need a much more complete spectrum of available trace elements to produce good yields - makes sense I guess - the newer (including hybrid) varieties have been bred and rigorously selected for bulk yield on experiment station soils with poor trace element availability and excessive use of N P K.- Maybe of interest - we are in serious drought here and it has become very obvious that our sheep are selectively grazing the wheat stubbles that we have grown using a remineralising fertility program - we still have a couple of paddocks on conventional fertilisers and when given the choice they are going in them as a last resort, prefering to eat straw to the ground in the mineral paddocks - sheep are in good condition (3 fat score or better - good enough for the butcher) so its not a case of desperation on their part. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: CT- BDpreps+urea
Hi Merla Just a few comments on your letter I can never admit to using BD on the grant, but I can to using CT. Alaska humus is OMRI certified, probably not registered in Idaho, but when I don't write up BD preps on my report when I use them, it is only to protect JPI from any problem. Nobody here knows anything about microorganisms -- The concept of working through the microorganisms in the soil is what we need to educate the Commissioners, the county department heads, the local conventional farmers as well as the organic farmers who would be reinforced by understanding the soil food web better, so that we can get the whole county off the herbicide treadmill and into a wholistic land use ethic that has preserving soil, water, air, wildlife and little human children's immune systems as one of its purposes. So the most important thing would be for you to get a useful result using whatever methods are acceptable to you ? Results will speak the loudest in the end - if the locals see you getting a result with your different approach they will be interested. Most farmers that I ever met KNOW that they use stuff thats toxic, and all but a very few would choose a softer treatment if they knew that it would work as well and cost no more but the farm community is constantly bombarded with information that says these things dont work as well and cost heaps more! Should I make separate CT plots and BD plots, just spray the whole road with BC, 500 and all the weed peppers surreptitiously or should I put it all together and not mention the fact that there are BD preps in there? I would say do option three here - put all your preps and peppers out as often as you can and call it compost tea - its a smokescreen but if you end up with a result worth showing - then you can work on getting the message out about just what you did. BTW if you have difficulty making fully aerobic tea - think about the old style stuff hand stirred in a barrel, this stuff works good too. I've given up only trying to prove that peppering will work on the road right-of-way as a method of weed control. Good ! Just try to prove that your way of doing things is worthwhile Now I'm simply trying to get everyone to think about weed control wholistically and I'm trying every strategy I can find until I find what works here including peppering. Urea and 20% vinegar probably injure the food web too much. If you use urea as a foliar to knock weeds and dont get rain for a while after the application there should not be much gets into the soil. Microbes love urea - in small doses - its a great way of adjusting the carbon to nitrogen ratio in the soil to get good digestion of stubble residues and so to provide the crop with organic nitrogen - TOO MUCH is where the problem is - we then get over feeding by the microbes and they eat into the soil reserve of active humus. Conventional farmers have a problem with surface applied urea dissipating into the atmosphere so they apply it before rain is due to get it to wash into the soil - if you reverse this - apply it to your weeds when the soil surface is a little dry and no rain likely for a few days most of it should gas off and not do harm to your soilfoodweb. If you look around where you have used this a few times in the one place and dont see any soil hardening or loss of structure then you're fine with it. Do I drop those methods or use them and repopulate with microorganisms? How long does it take to dissipate? Not long - if you want a good answer to this ask a conventional crop agronomist - specify the climate conditions temperature etc and it will be about half the time that he tells you, quicker again if you use it as a foliar spray. Takes warmth, a little humidity and some air movement, do you spray it as a foliar or sprinkle the granules around? Hope some of this might help Lloyd Charles
Re: BD Brain Teasers (2)
- Original Message - From: Roger Pye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: Re: BD Brain Teasers (2) Lloyd Charles wrote: This is just a game OK? Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, all were filled from the dam: No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). No it isn't a game, Lloyd, sorry. I really am looking for answers here from the different perspectives demonstrated on this list. roger I'm not into competitions but - you have my answers as to what I would expect to find in those barrels right now 1 good clean water (could drink it) 2 weed pepper thats run out of steam and needs re potentising 3 slow brew compost tea thats gone off a bit but still usable and beneficial to the plants (because of the way it was made) 4 'off' water a bit smelly / stale (I'm not gonna drink from this barrel) I have reasons that make sense to me - based on the very limited information you provided - for these answers I have very good reasons for my opinion on the tea barrel that I think James would agree with and Elaine Ingham would not. More later if you like Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News
- Original Message - From: Perry Clutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News Perry asked I was logged on at 24 kbps and the initial buffer took about 5 min. before the sound started. It ran until 3:58 min of the 14 min clip. I waited and wrote a couple of notes, but need to go now, so I don't have time to let it continue to load. Anyhow.. the buffering time is longer than the play time... How about you Lloyd??? 'Bout the same? Yep - connected at 28,800 this morning equipment deficiencies my end as well - machine old, hard drive full, not enough memory, I got about 20 seconds play then about 45 sec buffering , one and a half sentences at a time just not enough to be able to follow it. I think I could live with the slow line if everything else was good! Not Allan's fault anyway. Its a bit strange really, I dont notice a lack of speed with email, I'm on BD now and CT lists and 30 email messages will load while I'm looking around the desk for something to write with but incoming files the size of a floppy disk take ages - we get about 2.5 kbs per second (if we're lucky) on that stuff. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: BD Brain Teasers (2)
This is just a game OK? Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, all were filled from the dam: No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). No 1 good clean water still - Energy rating 27/36 No 2 as a potentised weed pepper its kaput! activity level against the intended weeds 20/180, general water energy rating 50/180 (needs repotentising to work) No 3 stinky tea - if its been left undisturbed there should be a layer of white mold or similar covering the top - the liquid will be a little 'off' slight vinegary smell, with some anaerobic poop in a layer at the bottom (dont disturb that) - but still usable for the plants on the reserve - ER of plants50/180 plants plus tea 70/180 - No 4 This water is tired but ok ER 50/180 Just a game right!! LCharles
Re: Smoke Alarm alarming
smoke alarm contains a small part with the old radioactive symbol on it and warnings about it containing radioactive material, which if needing repair should be sent to the company. Turns out after Curtis did a bit of research on the web, that their are two types of smoke detectors, one with the radioactive material one kind with a photo electric part. You can guess what might happen if such a device were to burn up in a fire. How is it possible that such things can be manufactured for use in the home? Does anyone know anything about these things? Are our landfills, incinerators backyards full of these things decaying and leaking radioactivity along with all the other pollutants? Thanks for any insight into this amazing secret in so many of our homes. Hi Jane Arden Andersen showed us a video of John Ott (a time lapse photo hobbyist and retired banker) - he did the photography for Walt Disney pictures - dance of the flowers and cinderella where the coach turned into a pumpkin - anyway he did extensive research on the effects of flouro lights and other energy things and used to carry a smoke alarm around for demonstrations of muscle testing - IN A LEAD LINED BOX- he said on the video thats the only place this thing should be. If you can get hold of this (video) its really interesting - the effects of certain types of fluro lights are a real worry. Try to get hold of this if you can - called 'Exploring the Spectrum' Dr John Ott , also his book Light, Radiation, and You. Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
- York is not an old guard BD person. He put 'dynamics' way behind good farming practice and knowledge of the crops being grown. I have no doubt that if he had seen an application of effective radionics that he wouldn't be applying it to all of his accounts. My apologies to Mr York! I guess too that I need reminding occassionally that radionics only works well in the hands of a skilled and talented operator, there are'nt many around, count em on your fingers probably in your country as well as here! Its also only one of many tools and if a person cant use it to good effect then perhaps he's wiser to choose a simpler tool? Most drivers would make better progress in the family sedan than driving a ferrari eh? . Gimme that man's address and phone number and Ill pass it to Mr. York. I'll have to check that - he may not want to go there. Cheers Lloyd Charles
