No. There is a point. Killing lots of people because they are enemies of the
regime is state terrorism.
It qualifies as simple mass murder.
Killing lots of people, or even forcibly displacing them, because they are
Bosnians or Croats, not Serbs is at best ethnic cleansing and at
Last week, being then employed and interested in social activity and exercise,
I took a free dance lesson from an acquaintance.
The main thing I learned was that music is a scarce and precious commodity in
a dance studio. You can only put one, or at most two, sets of music over the
loud
my friend _might_ want to practice by herself, but at the studio, and
using her mini-cast receiver.
2e -- Audio 6:mini-cast OR audio stored in reciver unit.
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 11:37 pm, Russell Chapman wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
WANTED: a wireless audio system for very local
For a first order approximation you would throw away topography as
irrelevant (after all, it starts at only 30% and gets smaller as you add
water) and you would treat the Earth as a proper sphere using distance from
the center of the sphere to mean sea level as diameter.
Assume a constant
On Friday 06 December 2002 08:48 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote:
William Taylor wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Debbi
Galactic Moderate? Maru
See, that's your problem. No one in the Four Galaxies listens to
the moderates, you should know that! :-)
Moderates?
Moderates don't exist.
Any
remains unopened, the bomb will not explode.)
On Friday 06 December 2002 10:45 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
The Tymbrimi are on the Looney Left of Galactic politics. They
scare the @#$% out of moderates.
So they're like Greenpeace, only without the flannel and Birkenstocks
their eternally immature and ungrateful species.
On Friday 06 December 2002 11:40 pm, Trent Shipley wrote:
No.
In the Fi.. er Four Galaxies a Greepeace style doctrine is solidly
conservative--in no way reactionary. Most Thennanin would be encouraged
and hopeful that even a t-i-n-y fraction of Human
On Friday 13 December 2002 06:34 pm, Adam C. Lipscomb wrote:
Stefan Jones posted this link on another board to which I subscribe:
http://gning.org/skiffy.html
In light of recent discussions, I thought this result was interesting:
You are:
John Brunner
His best known works are
I do not believe that technology strongly influences moral norms.
Psychiatrists and psychologists did not de-medicalize homosexuality or
inversion until the 1970's (I think).
If we could have played with our genes in 1950 or 1900 we would have targeted
the disease of sexual inversion. Many
On Saturday 28 December 2002 07:14 pm, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 08:16:59PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
I would imagine the Segways internal gyroscopic system would make it
*hard* to trip.
Want to bet? It it is going 10mph and hits an unmoving object at the
right
Arab pop-music and Quran recitation are definitely prominent in the
audioscapes of Cairo and Amman.
On Sunday 2003-01-12 13:17, Robert Seeberger wrote:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2076531/
Imagine it were possible to stem the rising tide of anti-Americanism in the
Arab world. (I like to think
On Tuesday 2003-01-14 21:31, Jim Sharkey wrote:
Jon Gabriel wrote
I would think that would depend on whether or not the Kiqui go well
with saffron flavored rice and Episiarch gravy...
They're not recognized sapients, after all, so they might just be
good eatin'.
I bet they can pass
Hamsters. They have very dexterous (if somewhat small) hands, the *love*
exploring (my wife and I can put our hamster in her hamster ball and she'll
run around the house for hours), and they are quite smart and strong, as
evidenced by their ability to escape from any cage. Ours escaped
You give Trent website with scripting and database access..and maybe nice
domain name, Trent give you SovereignStates knock-off of Nation States game
with way more detailed political-economic simulation. Many fun dials and
toggles for administrators. Make GPL code!
Hokey-dokey! nifty deal!
Aerospace has hit a technological wall, as far as I can see. 30 year old
designs are still competitive in the commercial market head to head against
modern designs. Contrast that with computers.
I do not think this is true. There are certainly some vernerable designs for
airframes--for
Have allocations changed?
I can see the 1960's budgets going to Cold War theatre.
There are (at least) three big parts to the NASA budget:
1) Manned space flight.
2) Unmanned solar-system exploration.
3) Basic Research (my favorite). Eg: fluid-dynamics, propulsion for civil
aviation, and
On Saturday 2003-03-15 09:54, Julia Thompson wrote:
The Fool wrote:
More problematic is the fatalistic worldview of apocalyptic thinking,
Hill said. Many who obsess about the end of the world fail to enjoy the
life they have or reach out to help others in an effort to improve
society, he
On Tuesday 2003-06-17 12:37, d.brin wrote:
Dear Trent,
I am sorry to hear about the employment situation. Wish I could help.
I can well understand wanting to move on to other interests. Is A4P
stored and available online? If so, would you like to allow gamers
access to its trove of
?
http://personal.vineyard.net/robinson/library/welcome.htm
gives a message that it moved to
http://www.islanderis.net/users/timbo/library
but that URL does not work at all.
--
Trent Shipley
phone:602.375.8683
cell:602.413.9837
mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~tshipley
On Sunday 2003-07-20 14:36, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
trickle down: more money to the rich
The argument for giving more money to the rich than to the poor is
that the rich save more. (That is to say, they save a higher portion of
additional income; in
On Sunday 2003-07-20 18:54, Kevin Tarr wrote:
From: Trent Shipley
In the US a huge problem with all 'trickle up' policies is that they
require legislative intervention. Laizie Faire (sp?) economic systems
stabilize with huge income and wealth disparities. In the US a
combination
On Monday 2003-07-21 03:57, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:15:47AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote:
The real problem with share the wealth, trickle up programs, besides
the fact that it might be immoral to tax the rich, is that they slow
growth.
Do you have any data to support
What is your point?
That is economics, supply and demand.
You can try to do something about it, but in the end it will only make things
worse.
The real answer is a global market in labor. Nations and patriotism are evil
things.
On Thursday 2003-09-11 21:59, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Alberto
Yeah?
So join a union or quit whining.
On Saturday 2003-09-13 11:47, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jan Coffey wrote:
[[BTW: you were so angry when you replied that it
showed in many typographical errors...]]
You should never make such assumptions. I
Just my point.
Historically, upper-echelon IT workers have been very liberterian and
anti-union.
Serves 'em right.
(telecom workers are another matter)
On Sunday 2003-09-14 03:46, The Fool wrote:
From: Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeah?
So join a union or quit whining
: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:04:55 -0700
Mr. Lundstrom
Please scan my exchange with Trent Shipley below.
In addition to other concerns expressed below, Trent is right that I
would require a bold and well placed disclaimer stating
I have removed my site. If you have links, please update them to point to
Matt's site.
Congratulations to Matt Lundstrom, the new A4P Encyclopedia Editor in Chief.
As of now the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia is available at
http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress (update your
Can the estate of Edgar Rice Burroughs sue for the use of John Carter ... of
Mars?
On Thursday 2003-12-04 20:05, Davd Brin wrote:
Heh! tell me if he is... well... 'colored'
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the 10th season of E.R., one of the
student-medicals [I never
At least it is on topic.
-
Lesh ab-Tothtoon ab-Rosh ab-Kosh ab-Erbl
ul-Zhuup ul-Vijls ul-Lith ul-Heebi
The Lesh are at the pinnacle of their career as a main-sequence species.
Staunch
On Saturday 2003-12-13 05:36, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
Lesh ab-Tothtoon ab-Rosh ab-Kosh ab-Erbl
ul-Zhuup ul-Vijls ul-Lith ul-Heebi
Erbl? Erbl uplifted them?
I picked Erbl because I thought it was an unused nonsense word. Has it been
used already for something
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I want our good Dr. Brin to contradict GURPS--again!
The Garthlings chose their own cohorts, numans and chimpanzees.
Clearly in violation of the rules as set up by GURPS.
I don't think its in violation of GURPS rules. Its just a violation of
standard behavior. Few pre-level-one clients
This was retold by VS Naipaul:
In days of yore the Shah is reviewing the troops.
He holds a rifle before a private and asks, Soldier what is your name?
Private Ahmed, your highness!
He takes Ahmed's rifle and examines it. What is this Private Ahmad?
It is my rifle Sir!
The Shah says No. it
Naturally, since I stopped publishing the Encyclopedia, I have had a burst of
creativity with Uplift Universe created topics. One topic leads to another.
In the course of thinking about the Tothtoon, the question arises of how
uplift, in a political and demographic sense works.
The first
On Sunday 2003-12-21 16:38, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I read a note in a br newspaper yesterday, and it basically said
something like this: hey, folks, you think the USA is a christian
country, but it's not; in fact, christians have been persecuted
with violence, with the g*vernment approval
the ur species was developed in part using the system in SeJ's Uplift 2nd
ed.
Zhuup ab-Lesh ab-Erbl ab-Kosh ab-Rosh ab-Tothtoon
ul-Zinth ul-Lotip ul-Byldur
The Lesh as members of the Tothtoon Superclan and clients of the Erbl began
their career in Galactic Civilization from a very
On Monday 2003-12-22 08:45, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
I have done some estimates on this. From data from GURPS Uplift and
from Contacting Aliens, I estimate:
* about 2 million populated planets at each time
Across how many galaxies?
All five of them.
(Note
We approximate the rate of uplift as an average of 1.1 client per mature
species. (The [fictional] real rate has to include non-reproducers and
mortality and some growth in the number of citizen species it must be
between 1.01 and 1.2.) Clients are not fairly distributed.
Lets assume
On Tuesday 2003-12-23 22:09, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 10:52 PM 12/23/2003 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
I think the point Tom is riffing on is that Rush has repeatedly
claimed that there is no constitutional right to privacy.
That would likely apply also to medical records.
Why does arguing
Your model seems to be
pre-uplift (stage 0)
- uplifting client (stages 1 to 4?)
- indentured client (stage 5?)
Since stage has the same population, and assuming mortality is minimal,
each stage must take the same amount of time.
Yes: the period where a species is under uplift may
On Tuesday 2003-12-23 23:27, Deborah Harrell wrote:
jaw dropping
How can you *possibly* equate sexual activity between
consenting adults to abortion? Especially since
homosexual sex has *no* chance of leading to abortion?
With the disclaimer that I do not know JDG's personal views on the
On Thursday 2003-12-25 05:46, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I agree with your interpretation of GURPS Uplift. But I still think that
the indenture phase should be _another_ phase. Uplift is considered a
service that the patron does to the client, so this must be followed
by the indenture, that is
On Wednesday 2003-12-24 06:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
If we want 1MY mean life-spans, then 11% clients and 5% patrons might
provide for interesting but not grossly inequitble politics consistent
with existing sources on the Uplift Universe.
Uh?
I picked 11%
I got the 11%. I didn't
On Wednesday 2003-12-24 06:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
My estimate includes all five. Of course, as in Drake's equation,
each factor has an error from 10% to 900% :-)
* about 10 planets per race
* about 200,000 races
Alberto, as I recall Drake's Equation has
the ur species was developed in part using the system in SeJ's Uplift 2nd
ed.
Vijilus [note spelling change]
ab-Lesh ab-Erbl ab-Kosh ab-Rosh ab-Tothtoon
As the Zhuup became productive the Lesh began to look for a second client. As
members of the Tothtoon Super-Clan the Lesh had access to
On Thursday 2004-01-08 06:00, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
No. I propose that there are 2M planets _with_ galactic
civilization settled on them. But they could be 20M or 200k.
Good. So 2M is a _reasonable_ statistical expectiation for planets that
could support
On Friday 2004-01-09 05:34, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
If there are 2M inhabited planets then there are 14M fallow planets.
At any given time there must be a total of 16M habitable planets.
Ok, 700ky, or 1My, don't change the final numbers very much
-Total O-2
On Friday 2004-01-09 03:46, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
There are two sorts of instability.
One level of instability is at the level of the lineage. The other is
the stablity of the inter-species political order. Moderate or serious
disparities in wealth curves mean
On Sunday 2004-01-11 00:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Plans in the Pentagon are not the same thing as plans in the White House. I
think the point is not that the Defense Dept. was doing its job but that
the newly installed Bush administration was thinking about invading Iraq
months before Sept.
On Sunday 2004-01-11 13:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This guy did nothing and they treated him like he personally guided the
planes into the Twin Towers by wire.
Now the problem is that you cannot be certain he was not important until AFTER
his, er, thorough interogation by third parties.
We should have some pronouncible abreviations for discussions of security
oriented foreign policy.
IG (Islamic group)
VIG (violent Islamic group)
SAIG (sayg or sa-ig, state affiliated Islamic group, usually a political
party)
SAVIG (sah-vig: state-affiliated violent Islamic group. This
Based on and updates:
http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress/encyclopedia/places/wrldrtng.html#A_Class
World leasehold ratings
There are about 500 * 10^9 stars in the five galaxies. Among all these stars,
only 2_810_000 planets naturally support life sufficiently complex that the
Tonight ABC News said that they were only budgeting $12G for the entire
program. Only $1G was new money for NASA, the other $11G would come from
reshuffling NASA's budget.
See: http://www.nasa.gov/about/budget/
My immediate impressions was that this is a zero sum game. The unmanned
mission
Alberto:
I come up with 10 major Terragen colonies. The problem is that Galactics
wouldn't count Mars or Venus as proper leaseholds, so I get 8 leases.
In fact, my exepectation is that if you asked a Galactic how many leaseholds
their race had they would only report their Homeworld, B, and C
On Thursday 2004-01-15 15:08, Bryon Daly wrote:
So far all money numbers announced for the Bush plan seem complete
nonsense, if not outright dishonesty. We shouldn't expect George W. Bush
himself to know that $12 billion is not enough to develop a spaceship. We
should expect the people around
On Thursday 2004-01-15 16:28, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
spaceship is the Crew Exploration Vehicle? How inspiring!
Less inspiring than, frex, Lunar Module?
The name doesn't even make sense.
Who cares?
Will the task of the vehicle be to explore the crew?
No. Its task will be to LAND
On Thursday 2004-01-15 12:51, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
I come up with 10 major Terragen colonies. The problem is that Galactics
wouldn't count Mars or Venus as proper leaseholds, so I get 8 leases.
You mean: Earth (homeworld), Mars, Venus (crap) [what about the Moon
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Snip
_That's_ what's inspiring about it.
Who cares if its inspiring?
Look I was raised to be a liberal.
I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor
sick folk. (Heck,
I am poor with chronic illnesses and
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:58, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
So a total of 9 respectable leasholds
Ok
***
We still miss one.
First, to my way of thinking a Class-A leased planet needs to have some
life (probably algal mat stage) and be terraformable. Would you believe
that such a planet
On Thursday 2004-01-15 21:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
We still miss one.
Alpha Centauri would be the 2nd lease. IIRC, at the time of Sundiver
Earth had 3 colonies.
Good. So you do not care that the Alpha Centuri colony is Class-A, or
are you proposing
Everything I'm trying to do by way of numbers, is to make Alvin filthy rich
whether or not he really wants to be so.
William Taylor
Why?
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
When the administration announces grand plans for manned space programs i
FEEL
proud, excited, and--yes--even inspired.
And that feeling immediately makes me suspicious. Is this fiscally
responsible? Is it rational? I think, no, I *KNOW* that basing public
policy on emotion IS
On Friday 2004-01-16 00:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/15/2004 11:55:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everything I'm trying to do by way of numbers, is to make Alvin filthy
rich
whether or not he really wants to be so.
William
On Friday 2004-01-16 02:32, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote:
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Um. I thought I was pretty clear. I HAVE given up on the social
programs.
Let me make sure I understand you correctly. You have given up
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be treated.
Open access to emergency medicine is the back door is basically a disguised
form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent people to take on your
charity case whether they want to or not.
On Friday 2004-01-16 07:03, Damon Agretto
On Friday 2004-01-16 13:16, Damon Agretto wrote:
--- Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be
treated.
Open access to emergency medicine is the back door
is basically a disguised
form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent
people
On Friday 2004-01-16 09:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/16/2004 3:04:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The book cannot be nothing other than a success.
Thereby pissing off all the septs of Jijo. In terms of GIM legal action
the
point is
On Friday 2004-01-16 18:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/16/2004 5:17:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Unfortunately, the legal aspect is only half the problem with Alvin's
book.
The bigger and more intractable problem would be PR.
--
On Friday 2004-01-16 18:30, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 01:49 PM 1/16/2004 -0700 Trent Shipley wrote:
I can think of only a few objective reasons why the commonwealth should
provide subsidies to ne'er do wells like myself.
What a Nietschian hell
Exactly! Libertarian paradise, Social
Trent, do you at least agree with the idea that books actually published as
books have an environmental surtax, and also a higer royalty to the author
than a book only published electronically.
In our world or in Uplift? (Galactics *ONLY* publish books electronically.)
(It's a fad to read
On Friday 2004-01-16 07:49, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
Good. So you do not care that the Alpha Centuri colony is Class-A, or
are you proposing that is it Class-B?
It could be anything. Probably a world in _far_ worse shape than
any other, but not a dead world like
On Sunday 2004-01-18 13:08, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
* An air-augmented chemical rocket. Currently, rockets carry all
the oxygen they need with them. An air-augmented chemical rocket
operates part of the time as a ram jet, taking in
Dear Alberto:
The new colony will be an A+/B- world in orbit around Alpha Centuri A. It
will be called Easter. Its residents will be called 'Pascuans'.
Before do a write-up I needed some dates, so I re-collated the timeline.
Let me know what you think.
1) I got my old timeline and fixed it.
Are Soro Obeyors?
What about Gubru?
___
http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The evident enthusiasm of a certain list member has given me cause to ask
myself whether Hoon, as a literary creation, might have broad-based apeal. I
think the answer must be affirmative. Indeed, Hoon characters could have
such strong psycho-cultural charisma that they would be the key to
On Tuesday 2004-01-20 17:29, ritu wrote:
Deborah Harrell wrote:
This is a disturbing article (with some graphic
description) about gender selection in Asia:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3990133/
Have you read Elizabeth Bumiller's May You Be the Mother of a Hundred
Sons ? The methods of
Planet Easter
Humans discovered that the second planet from Alpha Centuri A had life in
197_BxY. They sent a probe to the planet in 166_BxY and a near-light speed
manned mission in 151_BxY. In the wake of Human exploration, Humans started
calling the planet Easter after a desolate island in
Sorry, forgot this:
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN
HTML
HEAD
META HTTP-EQUIV=CONTENT-TYPE CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
TITLEEaster Seasons/TITLE
META NAME=AUTHOR CONTENT=Trent Shipley
STYLE
On Monday 2004-01-19 01:55, The Fool wrote:
From: Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12 MYA: The last recorded wolfling race, the Paranaj, is discovered.
Within
1000 years it is extinct.
52 KYA: The last recorded wolfling race, the Paranaj, is discovered.
Within
a thousand years
On Tuesday 2004-01-20 20:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/20/2004 8:04:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lost track of which galaxy is which number here.
I didn't so much loose track of each Galaxy as give up on tracking them. I
just tried to keep a
What ever happened to Tug. He left Kazzkark with Alvin for Hurumphta, but
he/it/they (whatever) didn't make the cut for Alvin's last journal entry.
Didn't the Neo-Fin kill him by accident (shoot on sight as a Jophur) when the
Streaker rescued the kids?
Various Terragen Confederation Territories by GIM Leasehold Type
---
I have altered the entry on Horst. I no longer think SeJ's GURPS Uplift 2nd
ed and the A4P Encyclopedia are incompatible.
An entry for Easter has been added.
---
Terragens have 10 colonies and their homeworld lease on
I have seen a couple of liberal foreign policy wonks say the real strategic
asset in the Middle East would be energy independence. The logic goes
something like this. The Middle East has four major strategic factors.
1) Petroleum.
a distant 2) Israel
a distant 3) Location. It's next to
UPLIFT PHILOSOPHY AND DEMOGRAPHY
Uplift Philosophy, Ethics, and Scarcity
Uplift is the most important activity in Main Sequence Galactic Civilization.
Among the Oxygen Breathing Order Uplift is regulated by the Galactic Uplift
Institute and Tradition. Tradition further dictates that the
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 15:35, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Some comments:
2.8 - 2.2 BYA: Progenitors rule the galaxies in what is
traditionally thought to be a Golden Age. Mention of 13 Galaxies.
Records extremely sketchy.
It seems that what is implied by the text of Contact Aliens is that
0xY /2211 CE: First Galactic Contact. Human explorers contact
Tymbrimi colonists. This was 87 paktaars ago by Galactic measure.
Nope.
So it needs to be 2212 CE. BTW, what was the date the first Cosmonaut went
into space.
Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space on 12 April 1961.
Made some changes.
--
Time-Line: History of the Five Galaxies[1]
G = Billion, M = Million, K = Thousand;
BCE=Before Common (Terragen) Era (=BC), CE = Common (Terragen) Era (=AD);
BxY = before Contact, 0xY = year of Contact (= 2211 CE), AxY = after
Contact;
All
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 19:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/27/2004 6:13:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
150M BxY: Social discord over redevelopment initiates Second Gronin
Collapse.
Permanent loss of contact with two Galaxies.
[Four and Seven!
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 19:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/27/2004 6:13:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
150M BxY: Social discord over redevelopment initiates Second Gronin
Collapse.
Permanent loss of contact with two Galaxies.
[Four and Seven!
Yet more revisions. This time related to sundering-knitting. One snarky
remark I am already starting to regret.
--
Time-Line: History of the Five Galaxies[1]
G = Billion, M = Million, K = Thousand;
BCE=Before Common (Terragen) Era (=BC), CE = Common (Terragen) Era (=AD);
BxY = before
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 22:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:59:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
60M BxY: The three core galaxies re-establish contact with Andromeda and
the
Milky Way that were lost at about 150M BxY. This is a time of
The timeline has been very slightly modified to accomodate two literary
coincidences that should bother no one but Alberto.
1492: Discovery of the Americas
1961: Yuri Gagarin in space
2211: First contact, 500 years after 1961
2492: Action resumes with the next Uplift Novel, 1000 years after
:23, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
Why not add the following:
545 MYA: Diversity is artificially induced in many worlds, including
Earth [causing the Cambrian explosion]. This is the last reference to
Earth in the Galactic Library.
It depends on DB.
Yes. And He wrote
On Thursday 2004-01-29 05:46, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
Various Terragen Confederation Territories by GIM Leasehold Type
I have just found the missing colonies. There's no need to place
Easter around Alpha Centauri :-)
In _Startide Rising_, there's a reference
The timeline has been very slightly modified to accomodate two literary
coincidences that should bother no one but Alberto.
1492: Discovery of the Americas
1961: Yuri Gagarin in space
2211: First contact, 500 years after 1961 (Over Alberto M.'s vigorous
objection that it should remain 2212.)
Still, I do know this. The democrats are varied.
You'll get some bright, some not. But the Goppers
have driven away all the homosapiens from their upper
echelons. There are no more Dwight Eisenhowers and
Barry Goldwaters. It's all frat boys, top to bottom.
1) From Jefferson to Kerry,
Lith ab-Lesh ab-Erbl ab-Kosh ab-Rosh ab-Tothtoon
The Lesh were fortunate enough to follow the Clan Tothtoon ideal of uplifting
three clients. The Lith were to be the last and greatest Lesh uplift
project. Even with the arrival of the Heebi as foster clients, Lith remain
the Lesh
On Monday 2004-02-02 07:42, Julia Thompson wrote:
Trent Shipley wrote:
Just to make things interesting, Lith find
their nesting housemates highly charisma.
Should that be charismatic?
yep.
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a modification of
http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress/encyclopedia/galpolitics/patronym.html
This is needed for a planned writeup on the Heebi.
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Rules of Patronymics
a- used in patronymics to indicate (any sub-set of) a race
Heebi ab-Lesh ab-Erbl ab-Kosh ab-Rosh ab-Tothtoon
wol:ab-J'8lek ab-Khilp ab-Brawch
When the very successful and respected Lesh began the Lith uplift project they
expected that they were uplifting their last client. The Lesh, through
little effort of their own became the foster patrons to
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