Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-02-02 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com: On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:53 PM, mike wrote: Name someone in the US that is using them. Anyone? I'll give you a hint, it's the maker of a GPS tracker for kids. That's it. I never said anything regarding the length of time this has been out...12 years and it's

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-02-01 Thread mike
Try some facts? Got any? On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:15 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:53 PM, mike wrote: Name someone in the US that is using them. Anyone? I'll give you a hint, it's the maker of a GPS tracker for kids. That's it. I never said anything

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread David Newhall
On Jan 31, 2010, at 12:00 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: Subject: Re: You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? Link? Second time I've asked you to back up an assertion...you ignored the first time, got a link this time? How about we agree that even if this did happen, at

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:47 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:30 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:  I was not reacting to anything that Apple did or did not do.  I was querying you about why you were telling someone that wanting to have a USB port is a symptom of

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:21 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2010, at 5:30 PM, David K Watson wrote: While price was probably an issue, I don't myself think that it was the main one in Apple's decision to keep the physical interfaces to a minimum.  Apple likes to promote itself

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:40 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:46 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: However, and while this does not negate the previous sentence, most computer buyers still prefer to use, by a wide margin, computers that run under Windows as opposed to

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread Jordan
To me, for someone to choose implies that they are reasonably informed about the options. I believe that great masses of Windows users are not sufficiently aware of the Mac and OS X as a serious option. Do I even want to respond to this? Your response is incorrect. Prefer means tend to

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread mike
Thanks for the link. I usually assume Tom is just making stuff up because he never provides links when he's in all out carpet bombing mode as he has been. Perhaps morons was too strong a word, but my point remains. Apple usually takes a path that takes choices away from consumers to better

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread tjpa
On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:57 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: What is a real free choice in this instance? Consumers may be brainwashed, but they still have a free choice. Perhaps you are saying that their being brainwashed may have resulted in not having a REAL free choice... There is some of

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread tjpa
On Jan 31, 2010, at 10:11 AM, mike wrote: But then those so called intellectuals... Well that proves the previous point about ...channelling this popular anger against intellectual snobs. The most effective way to keep the serfs in line is to convince them that freedom would mean their

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread mike
I believe that the great masses of mac users believe cost is not a consideration. You may also be right, people stick to what they are used to. They stick to what their friends have. They use things that their friends can help them fix if something goes wrong. The thing is, mac users do the

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread tjpa
On Jan 31, 2010, at 10:40 AM, mike wrote: Thanks for the link. I usually assume Tom is just making stuff up Just because you constantly make things up does not mean that I do. I don't have to make things up because I am not defending an indefensible position. I don't always provide links

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread tjpa
On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:20 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: You were saying, in strictly general terms related to current technology, that wanting to have currently popular and widely used interface ports is indicative of clinging to the past. Again I ask, how so? You could have said, using

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread mike
I know freedom scares liberals like you, things like self reliance are frightening. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:49 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 31, 2010, at 10:40 AM, mike wrote: In my opinion this can cost the consumer freedoms. If the iPhone ran multiple apps, users could choose to

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread mike
You do make things up..I *still* await your link, as I have many times. You make crazy assertions, you should back them up. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:40 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 31, 2010, at 10:40 AM, mike wrote: Thanks for the link. I usually assume Tom is just making stuff up

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:11 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: The only ones I've ever heard say they are 'forced to use windows' are mac users.  I've heard plenty of complaints from windows users, but never  'I went into the store and the salesman forced me to buy windows'.  It reminds me of

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread Rich Schinnell
All of this mac vs pc reminds me of what henry ford evidently said at some time. You can have any car I make, any color you wish, as long as it is black Someone else also said. Mine is biggern yours YMMV Rich * **

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: To me, for someone to choose implies that they are reasonably informed about the options. I believe that great masses of Windows users are not sufficiently aware of the Mac and OS X as a serious option. Agreed. However, an

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:52 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:20 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Please do not be so damn silly.  This is a meaningless non-response to my query and shows me that you view me as being an idiot.  Having a USB port does not mean that one has

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:59 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Someone else even pointed out that you can now buy an SD card that gives the camera a wireless link. Isn't that a far better way to link your camera to an iPad? Perhaps so, but at what cost? $60 for a couple of gigs? Transfer

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread Jordan
phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: To me, for someone to choose implies that they are reasonably informed about the options. I believe that great masses of Windows users are not sufficiently aware of the Mac and OS X as a serious

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread b_s-wilk
Tom imagines a lot...now he is imagining a world where everyone is controlled. Typically, people like this are really the ones being controlled...as Apple does to it's users. Hey Mike--Tom, too - Cut out the hyperbole. We use Macs and iPods/iPhones because they're good products, in spite of

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread Chris Dunford
I know freedom scares liberals like you, things like self reliance are frightening. Sorry, Mike, but this is unnecessary, incorrect, and insulting. You know I'm liberal. Do you seriously believe that I am frightened by self-reliance even though I've been self-employed for nearly thirty years?

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread David K Watson
From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Re: You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? David, sorry, but I have plenty of experience with multitouch devices. Of the two I have now, the SMALL one is 12 (and they're both 16:9, by the way, not 4:3 like iPad). The iPad's touchscreen is

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
To be honest political discourse is ruing political discourse these days. All people ever hear or listen to is sound bites. If I actually believed what is said when I listen to sound bites I would be in big trouble. Politicians speak in sound biteese. Have you ever seen how some of those

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread mike
Apologies, I let myself get away from myself. I usually hit Tom's crazy talk with hyperbole of my own. I suppose the difference is, I know it's hyperbole. So to present company, no insult intended. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: I know freedom

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Can an ignorant person actually be making a choice? Or does ignorance preclude the possibility that a choice is being made? Wow, that's a tough one. Just how ignorant are we taking about here? Steve

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread David K Watson
Not sure what point you're trying to make with the Air, but the primary concern with it was pretty obviously keeping down the weight without sacrificing performance, not saving money. With USB on Macs, yes, nearly everything you expect to work with it does work with it, flash drives, printers

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread tjpa
On Jan 31, 2010, at 1:44 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: nonstandard SIM slot It is not non-standard. In is the next generation SIM. Once again, some prefer to be clinging to the past. * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread mike
This is interesting because a lot of people blame windows under this same scenario. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:03 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: When some devise doesn't fully work, it usually can be blamed on the manufacturer's software, and you blame them, not Apple.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread tjpa
On Jan 31, 2010, at 12:56 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, isn't that thingy the mess of wires dragging around that you were saying Apple eschews in their visions of the future, which by the way, is like in the next five minutes or less. Personally, I am never in the future anyway, only in

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:19 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Once again, some prefer to be clinging to the past. Clinging to the past or just guilty of using existing technology? Steve * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread Chris Dunford
Apologies, I let myself get away from myself. I usually hit Tom's crazy talk with hyperbole of my own. I suppose the difference is, I know it's hyperbole. So to present company, no insult intended. Apology happily accepted.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:32 PM, mike wrote: Yes in fact it is non-standard, take the glasses off and read a little more about it. Apple used this sim for the one purpose of not allowing the standard sims to be placed in the device. The micro sim is not a 'thing of the future' it is just a

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread mike
Name someone in the US that is using them. Anyone? I'll give you a hint, it's the maker of a GPS tracker for kids. That's it. I never said anything regarding the length of time this has been out...12 years and it's still not standard. You are changing the point of what I said just enough to

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-31 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 31, 2010, at 6:53 PM, mike wrote: Name someone in the US that is using them. Anyone? I'll give you a hint, it's the maker of a GPS tracker for kids. That's it. I never said anything regarding the length of time this has been out...12 years and it's still not standard. You are

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's homepage for ipad...how long till they fix it? Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread mike
for ipad...how long till they fix it? Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? On Jan 29, 2010, at 6:46 PM, mike wrote: As reported on Engadget and other blogs, Apple is currently running a promo on their website for the ipad showing it running flash from Adobe..which

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's homepage for ipad...how long till they fix it? Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread tjpa
On Jan 30, 2010, at 1:32 AM, David K Watson wrote: Why is everyone making a big fuss about this? Why did the wing nuts come up with death panels and Obamacare? Some people are uncontrollably attracted to doing evil. It infuriates them to see Apple hit yet another home run.

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's homepage for ipad...how long till they fix it? Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
He has just gotten up to bat it remains to be seen whether or not he has hit a home run. Wait till it goes on sale and then you can carp or eat crow. Stewart At 09:14 AM 1/30/2010, you wrote: On Jan 30, 2010, at 1:32 AM, David K Watson wrote: Why is everyone making a big fuss about this?

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread tjpa
On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:14 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple doesn't lead. They take mostly existing technology and make it better--sometimes. I worked for Apple. My cousin is an Apple engineer. Their PR is amazing, so is Steve Jobs' reality distortion field. I think you are blinded by ideology.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread tjpa
On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Should I ditch my iMac right now because something is coming or is already here that can supplant it? Am I clinging to the past because my iMac is only 2.4 GHz and actually has a CD/DVD drive as well as USB and an already obsolete

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread tjpa
Here is an interesting BBC News story about politics that I think has a close connection to how some are reacting to the iPad. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm Why do people often vote against their own interests? Political scientist Dr David Runciman looks at why is there

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:50 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Should I ditch my iMac right now because something is coming or is already here that can supplant it?  Am I clinging to the past because my iMac is only 2.4 GHz and actually

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:15 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: In other words, Apple's constant success and innovation inspires deep hatred merely because Apple is so successful. Microsoft Corporation has been far more successful than has Apple if you measure success by the number of product

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread betty
Again you are pining for the parallel port. Very few people want to take their computers apart. Service is easy to get and priced reasonably. Apple routinely waves fees and offers huge trade-in discounts. By giving up on making some of their products easy to open Apple reduced costs, made

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's homepage for ipad...how long till they fix it? Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread mike
It's those evil dang neomicrosofticons! The black helo's are coming to get you Tom! On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:14 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2010, at 1:32 AM, David K Watson wrote: Why is everyone making a big fuss about this? Why did the wing nuts come up with death panels

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread mike
What innovation? It's a big ipod touch...literally. That's all it is. The iPhone...now that you could say was innovative. This is just making the exact same thing larger. That's hardly innovation. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:50 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Who said you should? I'm just

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread Chris Dunford
In other words, Apple's constant success and innovation inspires deep hatred merely because Apple is so successful. You're projecting again. You hate MS, therefore we must hate Apple. Wrong. I have no hatred of Apple. I don't even dislike Apple. I think Mac, iPhone, and iPod are all

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread mike
Is it possible for you to make ANY sense? This BBC article which I read previously is one big sh*tpile, the author has no grasp on things like the constitution and the people who believe in it. Now anyone who doesn't like something Apple does has a deep seated hatred for them... You have become

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread Constance Warner
Very likely. I agree with your point. The lack of interfaces on the iPod probably saves a lot of money. When they make a useful device, I'll save up my nickels and buy it. Since the main use I have for a small, light-weight portable computer is to write very large (novel-length) text

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Actually I think Gary Trudeau was modeling his latest comic strip after Tom. Stewart At 11:26 AM 1/30/2010, you wrote: Is it possible for you to make ANY sense? This BBC article which I read previously is one big sh*tpile, the author has no grasp on things like the constitution and the

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's homepage for ipad...how long till they fix it? Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread tjpa
On Jan 30, 2010, at 12:13 PM, mike wrote: It's those evil dang neomicrosofticons! Necromicrosofticons. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread David K Watson
Chris, you're wrong or misleading on many of your criticisms of the iPad. First, it's not a midsize touchscreen, it's a large size multitouch screen, one of the largest to be readily available. You have to have some experience with multitouch devices, particularly Apple's, to really have the

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread tjpa
On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:28 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, just last evening you told someone here on the list that to want to have a computing device with a USB port is clinging to the past and represents a means of transferring data or interfacing with a computer that is on its way out.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread tjpa
On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:59 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft Corporation has been far more successful than has Apple if you measure success by the number of product users and dollars generated through sales. Microsoft also inspires this same so-called hatred. Such is often the fate of

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's homepage for ipad...how long till they fix it? Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread mike
No, neo...that way it includes all those scary imaginary people you are always carping about. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:30 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2010, at 12:13 PM, mike wrote: It's those evil dang neomicrosofticons! Necromicrosofticons.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread David K Watson
While price was probably an issue, I don't myself think that it was the main one in Apple's decision to keep the physical interfaces to a minimum. Apple likes to promote itself as the company whose devices just work, and if they had USB ports on the iPad then there would immediately be

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread Chris Dunford
Chris, you're wrong or misleading on many of your criticisms of the iPad. First, it's not a midsize touchscreen, it's a large size multitouch screen, one of the largest to be readily available. You have to have some experience with multitouch devices, particularly Apple's, to really have

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:43 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: All that is true, but where did I say you should rush out and get one? You didn't, thus that is not what I was responding to or talking about. I think you don't remember the angst Apple caused when the Mac had an AppleTalk port

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:46 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:59 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft Corporation has been far more successful than has Apple if you measure success by the number of product users and dollars generated through sales.  Microsoft also

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Lets agree on one things. Apple is a hardware company. MS is a software company. MS will never design nor build computers and devices as slick as Apple as I do not believe that they invest the amount of money in them that Apple does. MS makes some good peripherals, like mice, keyboards

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 30, 2010, at 4:26 PM, David K Watson wrote: As for Apple's hoible app restrictions, I have to say that if they have allowed 140,000+ applications ranging from useless and/or disturbing apps like iFart and Fishbate (you don't really want to know) to things like Google Voice, then those

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:46 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: However, and while this does not negate the previous sentence, most computer buyers still prefer to use, by a wide margin, computers that run under Windows as opposed to the Mac OS. False. People who have a real free choice very rarely

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:30 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I was not reacting to anything that Apple did or did not do. I was querying you about why you were telling someone that wanting to have a USB port is a symptom of clinging to the past, seemingly some kind of disorder in your view, and

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Who feeds you this nonsense? I carry my netbook around in a small pouch (similar in size to an Ipad) I can plug my camera card in, no problem. Plug my memory stick in no problem. Want to do a PPT presentation, hook it up to the video projector all without carrying an extra cord, dongle, plug

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread mike
Tom imagines a lot...now he is imagining a world where everyone is controlled. Typically, people like this are really the ones being controlled...as Apple does to it's users. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:40 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:46 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-30 Thread mike
Link? Second time I've asked you to back up an assertion...you ignored the first time, got a link this time? How about we agree that even if this did happen, at least that phone vendor doesn't assume all it's customers are stupid as Apple assumes all it's customers are morons not able to make

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: I have SEEN Obama compared to a lot of things, but never a Mac. I was experiencing a silly moment. The equation I was trying to make was one of how expectations are often not met. Steve

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:27 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to think of when, Jobs has brought out a device to show the mac faithful, that when it was released a few months later it was different... The iPad was not brought out solely for the Mac faithful. That group is but one

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Jordan
A new improved model could be called a Maxipad. :-) Perhaps because of its ability to absorb so much umdata. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Jordan
phartz...@gmail.com wrote: It's simple: try this i (change), etc. The idea of Obama always was government for the rest of us. Too simple, and isn't working. Steve It's not working because he's not doing it. *

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Too bad so far it is only a really big iPod Touch which is OK but it ain't a game changer. The bookreader is a color Kindle with higher prices BTW I meant Higher book prices. I think as soon as the Kindle app

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
On Jan 29, 2010, at 7:57 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I was experiencing a silly moment. The equation I was trying to make was one of how expectations are often not met. M$ is already referring to it as a DeathPanel.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:29 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: Dock isn't portable. Needs to be plugged in. What if I want to use a flash drive or SD card? Sleek and stylish? Not with a dock and a bunch of cables. Mine is a skinny little cable about 2 feet long. How is that not portable? And if both the

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:15 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: It is possible that this new device just unveiled may fail to meet Apple's own expectations as well as those of their prospective customers. A lot of folks are saying, After all the hype, this is it? Time will tell. The M$ minions are

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread mike
Gotta link? On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:27 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:15 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: It is possible that this new device just unveiled may fail to meet Apple's own expectations as well as those of their prospective customers. A lot of folks are

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:01 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I want to handle one with the form factor of two facing pages in a book like shape. I've only seen a kindle up close once and had a quick look at the NookEBook at a Barnes and Noble. The nook looked too small. The reason most books

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Don't be silly. All the items you cite are paired with something other than a single letter. So you object to the single letter? Now who is being silly? * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread mike
The fact this doesn't have any ports is just further proof this is really just a giant ipod touch. Another thing that I'm not sure has been addressed in general...if I have a kindle, and I buy an ipad..do I have to re-buy all those kindle books again? What if I buy a Nook and then a kindle? Are

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
On Jan 28, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: On the last part we will have to disagree. As I type this on my netbook, with a video out, 3 USB ports, and a SD card reader built in. (6 hours battery with wifi.) Netbooks will be seen the 8-track tape players of the early 21st

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:25 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2010, at 12:29 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: Dock isn't portable. Needs to be plugged in. What if I want to use a flash drive or SD card? Sleek and stylish? Not with a dock and a bunch of cables. Mine is a skinny little cable

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread mike
There were four or five formats called Octavio, I suppose keeping it the size of a 'book', Apple was bound to hit close to one of them. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 7:47 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:01 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: I want to handle one with the form factor

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread David D Odell
Is it just me or does the iPad (finally) look like the flatscreen tablets predicted in Kubrick's 2001? http://cecelia.physics.indiana.edu/life/chess.jpg * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Stewart Marshall
I am not interested in 3G I pay enough for hookups as it is right now (Phone, cable, Cell plan) that I will not pay for another plan. As nice as it would be no way. I just had to cancel what I hoped would be a good DSL connection because they can only top out at 4mps. The infrastructure will

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread mike
Or does it look like an HP tablet? On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:21 AM, David D Odell waffenf...@atlanticbb.netwrote: Is it just me or does the iPad (finally) look like the flatscreen tablets predicted in Kubrick's 2001? http://cecelia.physics.indiana.edu/life/chess.jpg

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
On Jan 29, 2010, at 9:48 AM, mike wrote: The fact this doesn't have any ports is just further proof this is really just a giant ipod touch. Which is absolutely wonderful. The iPhone/iTouch have revolutionized how people use computers.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
Prediction: Business suits will start to have cargo pants pockets. Thomas Pink already sells ties with a Nano pouch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread mike
I heard a tech reporter say 'who needs 3g, wifi is almost everywhere'. Where do these people live? On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: I am not interested in 3G I pay enough for hookups as it is right now (Phone, cable, Cell plan) that I will

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Stewart Marshall
The problem I see is that we are being asked to pay dearly for connectivity and everyone wants a piece of the action. Buy a device pay for a connection plan. I do not want to do all that. I would like to consolidate some of my connection plans so I am not paying so much. Stewart At 09:45

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:45 AM, mike wrote: I heard a tech reporter say 'who needs 3g, wifi is almost everywhere'. Where do these people live? Near a McDonalds. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Chris Dunford
Anyone who is not intrigued by the iPad is just showing a lack of imagination. OK, why don't you tell us what's so intriguing about a midsize touchscreen that has no HD, no widescreen, no camera, no USB, no memory card slots, and no GPS, that can only get music and video from iTunes, that can

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Constance Warner
No, I'm not OBJECTING to anything. I'm just pointing out that for 50 + per cent of the population, calling something a pad without a modifier (word, adjective, etc.) up front (e.g. lily pad, launch pad, mattress pad) inevitably raises mental pictures of a certain kind. If anything, the

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread mike
Still waiting for you link... On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:04 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:45 AM, mike wrote: I heard a tech reporter say 'who needs 3g, wifi is almost everywhere'. Where do these people live? Near a McDonalds.

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Constance Warner
Amen to that. I'm concerned that the cost of basic participation in the workforce-- and in society--is going up, with every new device we're expected to acquire and support. For example, when I go in for my next job interview, will I be expected to have a smartphone, a blackberry, or

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting David D Odell waffenf...@atlanticbb.net: Is it just me or does the iPad (finally) look like the flatscreen tablets predicted in Kubrick's 2001? I'm just wondering how long it will be 'til we're all poking and stroking our iDesks (a la LCARS http://www.lcarscom.net/). Tapping on

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
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Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread Stewart Marshall
Apple has fond a marketing niche with the i format. McDonald's has done it with the Mc format. (I read about a lawsuit recently where they are attempting to shut down a young ladies fund raising organization as it uses the Mc format for their name) It makes someone identify with them

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread b_s-wilk
Still waiting for you link... I heard a tech reporter say 'who needs 3g, wifi is almost everywhere'. Where do these people live? Near a McDonalds. McDonald's WiFi will be free like obesity starting January -- Engadget

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread tjpa
On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: OK, why don't you tell us what's so intriguing about a midsize touchscreen that has no HD, no widescreen, no camera, no USB, no memory card slots, and no GPS, that can only get music and video from iTunes, that can only run what the suits

Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?

2010-01-29 Thread katan
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:17:14 -0600, Stewart Marshall wrote: Apple has fond a marketing niche with the i format. McDonald's has done it with the Mc format. (I read about a lawsuit recently where they are attempting to shut down a young ladies fund raising organization as it uses the Mc format

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