Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-09 Thread Steffen Barszus
Am Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2003 23:53 schrieb Thierry Vignaud: Pierre Jarillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ Cool. Something to play with in future :) . As said before, I can't really afford to work on/with cooker, this way might be a lot better solution

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-08 Thread Thierry Vignaud
Pierre Jarillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ Cool. Something to play with in future :) . As said before, I can't really afford to work on/with cooker, this way might be a lot better solution for me to contribute to Mandrake Good conception. It looks

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-02 Thread Colin Close
MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote: - What should we do to improve the Wiki. Create test plans or just simple requests for outside testers when a major feature is added or package updated... Test Plans, Brilliant!!! Put 'em on the third CD of the download set and then everyone who is

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Felmey wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:46, Michael Scherer wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2003 05:38, Brad Felmey wrote: Also, a place where folks can go get urpmi lines. Not just for stuff like MdkClub and mirrors, but kind of like Debian

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Vincent Danen : really nasty bugs for fixing... not little things like fonts in gkrellm). Vincent, yet another provocation, and i'll give you gkrellm package back :-) -- The legibility of the signature is inversely proportional to the importance of the artist. --

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Buchan Milne : Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 11:37:22PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: This is what @linux-mandrake.com addresses are for. But again, there is no documented policy (and maybe even the resitrictions on what you should use it for) anywhere, so

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Buchan Milne : Brad Felmey wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:46, Michael Scherer wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2003 05:38, Brad Felmey wrote: Also, a place where folks can go get urpmi lines. Not just for stuff like MdkClub and mirrors, but kind of like Debian has a list of

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Vincent Danen
On Wed Oct 01, 2003 at 01:31:36PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: really nasty bugs for fixing... not little things like fonts in gkrellm). Vincent, yet another provocation, and i'll give you gkrellm package back :-) hehehe... oops. /me runs and hides =) -- MandrakeSoft Security;

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Luca Berra
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 01:42:40PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: And contributers not being subscribed to maintainers mailing-list, whereas half of traffic on this list is pure spam... and ppl actually discovering there is a maintainers mailing-list because they stumble upon a msg like this in

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Oct 01 23:17 +0200, Luca Berra wrote: On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 01:42:40PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: And contributers not being subscribed to maintainers mailing-list, whereas half of traffic on this list is pure spam... and ppl actually discovering there is a maintainers

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Buchan Milne
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Wed Oct 01 23:17 +0200, Luca Berra wrote: On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 01:42:40PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: And contributers not being subscribed to maintainers mailing-list, whereas half of traffic on this list is pure spam... and ppl

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Pascal Terjan
Buchan Milne wrote: But, before doing that, ensure you have working spam filters :-/ It became subscribers only recently. I got rejected few days ago because I don't post with the right address.

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Luca Berra
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:27:15PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: and ppl actually discovering there is a maintainers mailing-list because they stumble upon a msg like this in cooker? Send an email with subscribe maintainers to [EMAIL PROTECTED], IIRC. (does this work? If so, should it be added to

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Buchan Milne
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Luca Berra wrote: But, before doing that, ensure you have working spam filters :-/ there is a wonderful package in contribs called amavisd-new it is still a bit difficult to set it up with postfix, but i hope that when cooker reopens it will be possible to have some

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Buchan Milne : On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Levi Ramsey wrote: On Wed Oct 01 23:17 +0200, Luca Berra wrote: On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 01:42:40PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote: And contributers not being subscribed to maintainers mailing-list, whereas half of traffic on this list is

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Randy Welch
Eddie wrote: Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and it is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can install what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or gurpmi it still installs all the packages as before because of

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Randy Welch
Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Scherer wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 13:38, Eddie wrote: Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and it is ridiculous and too confusing. debian does it, suse too. Some

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Randy Welch
Buchan Milne wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Felix Miata wrote: 5-A usable normal boot and/or rescue floppy should be at least offered for creation during install. After install, creating a boot and/or rescue floppy should actually be possible on any system. Barring that, the creation process

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 01:09 am, Randy Welch wrote: Eddie wrote: Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and it is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can install what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or gurpmi

Re: [Cooker] And next ? (SaMBa and CUPS)

2003-09-30 Thread Leon Brooks
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:11, Randy Welch wrote: (why do I need cups when installing samba...) Because if SaMBa is ever to use some of the special features of CUPS (e.g. print to PDF), it needs to access CUPS through the library. You shouldn't need all of CUPS, just the library. Cheers; Leon

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread John Allen
On Monday 29 September 2003 18:56, Nora Etukudo wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:56:30AM +0200, Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: Not all of us have high bandwith connection. I test cooker at home, but i can download easily at work : i can download an iso with only rpms modified at work, and use

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Laurent Montel
Le Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:27, Texstar a écrit : On Tuesday 30 September 2003 01:09 am, Randy Welch wrote: Eddie wrote: Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this Do you know Debian ? and it is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Steffen Barszus
Am Montag, 29. September 2003 18:40 schrieb Vincent Danen: On Sun Sep 28, 2003 at 02:36:41PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: [...] - How to have more contributors? A bugzilla (or similar product) for the release version? Seems strange I know but if you hook people on the concept as

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Steffen Barszus
Am Montag, 29. September 2003 01:34 schrieb James Sparenberg: On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 01:19, Warly wrote: It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to have some brainstorm. May you give your opinion on : - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? - We

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Doc Tree
On Sun 28 Sep 2003 at 08:19, Warly wrote: | It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these | days to have some brainstorm. | | May you give your opinion on : | | - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? 1. N America mirrors... out-of-date, inaccessible with too many already

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 12:00, Doc Tree wrote: | - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development. 1. START EARLIER. Huh? Earlier than what? Do you want us to go back in time to June and start there? :) other available serial HDs. C. Include the latest stable version of {list including

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 11:37:22PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: This is what @linux-mandrake.com addresses are for. But again, there is no documented policy (and maybe even the resitrictions on what you should use it for)

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le Mardi 30 Septembre 2003 10:41, Steffen Barszus a écrit : http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ Cool. Something to play with in future :) . As said before, I can't really afford to work on/with cooker, this way might be a lot better solution for me to contribute to Mandrake Good conception. It

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le Mardi 30 Septembre 2003 11:03, Steffen Barszus a écrit : The next step would be to make the development of tools a continues project rather than a point/major release function. Create a fourth area called testing on the mirrors. This area differs from updates in that it isn't a bug

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread eddie
Laurent Montel wrote: Le Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:27, Texstar a écrit : On Tuesday 30 September 2003 01:09 am, Randy Welch wrote: Eddie wrote: Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this Do you know Debian ? and it is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 eddie wrote: Laurent Montel wrote: Why ? Do you know libification ? Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE! I guess Texstar also adds features and does bug fixes in KDE CVS? Anyway, just run rpmlint on Tex's packages, and then on the ones in

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
Oh I agree on this one. I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it will com back to bite mandrake. Keep It simple! -randy And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate rpms just doesnt make sense. Why ? Why split it

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:11 am, eddie wrote: And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4 seperate rpms just doesnt make sense. Why ? Do you know libification ? Regards. Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE! Sometimes things make sense and sometimes

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Michael Scherer
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 05:38, Brad Felmey wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 03:19, Warly wrote: - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? The same thing wrong with them all - too little QA/freeze, although this is somewhat better now. Also ludicrous changelogs like fixed something or

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Michael Scherer
On Monday 29 September 2003 23:14, Vincent Danen wrote: c On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 10:50:48PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote: - How to have more contributors? while browsing the web, i have seen that gentoo and netbsd announce their new developpers. this may be a good idea,in order to show

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Mardi 30 Septembre 2003 17:31, Texstar a écrit : Oh I agree on this one. I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it will com back to bite mandrake. Keep It simple! -randy And splitting a single application (kopete and others) into 3-4

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Vincent Danen
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 01:48:44PM +0200, Pierre Jarillon wrote: http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ Cool. Something to play with in future :) . As said before, I can't really afford to work on/with cooker, this way might be a lot better solution for me to contribute to Mandrake Good

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:22 am, Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 eddie wrote: Laurent Montel wrote: Why ? Do you know libification ? Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE! I guess Texstar also adds features and does bug fixes in KDE CVS?

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Texstar wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2003 08:22 am, Buchan Milne wrote: eddie wrote: Laurent Montel wrote: Why ? Do you know libification ? Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE! I guess Texstar also adds features and does bug fixes in KDE

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 11:01 am, you wrote: Le Mardi 30 Septembre 2003 17:31, Texstar a écrit : Oh I agree on this one. I don't think splitting KDE was such a good idea and I suspect it will com back to bite mandrake. Keep It simple! -randy

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Texstar
Yes, I think Texstar has a handle on KDE! I guess Texstar also adds features and does bug fixes in KDE CVS? What does this have to do with the way code is packaged? Nothing, but neither does the previous statement (which is what I was actually hinting at ...). Regards, Buchan Good

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread jokerman64
On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19 am, Warly wrote: It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to have some brainstorm. May you give your opinion on : - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? [worksforme] I hate it when people close bugs w/ works for me instead

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Michael Scherer
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 19:08, jokerman64 wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19 am, Warly wrote: It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to have some brainstorm. May you give your opinion on : - What was wrong in 9.2 development process?

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread jokerman64
On Tuesday 30 September 2003 02:09 pm, Michael Scherer wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2003 19:08, jokerman64 wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19 am, Warly wrote: It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to have some brainstorm. May you give your

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Simon Oosthoek
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:38:15PM -0500, Brad Felmey wrote: For God's sake, a urpmi proxy, like apt-proxy. Corporations are not going to want each box pulling packages separately, and they don't want to mirror, either. They just want to pull the stuff they need - once. I don't know if God

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Brad Felmey
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 10:46, Michael Scherer wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2003 05:38, Brad Felmey wrote: Also, a place where folks can go get urpmi lines. Not just for stuff like MdkClub and mirrors, but kind of like Debian has a list of misc. repositories available that make it easy to

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-30 Thread Doc Tree
On Sun Sep 28 2003 at 18:30, Simon Oosthoek wrote: | On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:19:44AM +0200, Warly wrote: | - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? | | I think the targets for a release should be set much earlier in the | process. Especially targets for nr of major bugs in the software to

Re: [Cooker] And next ? Release cycle.

2003-09-29 Thread Leon Brooks
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:44, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19, Warly wrote: - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development. Use the commonly held definitions of beta and rc for labeling releases. Too often, rc's are still full of major bugs, including with the

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Teletchéa Stéphane
Le dim 28/09/2003 à 13:48, Nora Etukudo a écrit : On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:19:44AM +0200, Warly wrote: - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs? No. I don't need ISO's at all during development. 'rsync'ing to a local server and installing via net from there is cheap, fast and reliable.

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Diego Iastrubni
, 28 2003, 21:49,Austin: On 09/28/2003 06:26:43 PM, Diego Iastrubni wrote: , 28 2003, 21:44,Michael Scherer: * use also apt-get (with the same repositories, IMHO this can be done no?), let the user which app use to install rpms. IMHO it just wastes mirror space

Re: [Cooker] And next ? - cooperation with major disk vendor?

2003-09-29 Thread FACORAT Fabrice
Le dim 28/09/2003 à 19:44, Keld Jørn Simonsen a écrit : One thing I saw which could enhance the availablilty of Mandrake was to make an alliance with a major disk vendor, eg. Maxtor, to preinstalle mandrake on a number of disks - free of charge. I think this is what Lindows have done with

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread FACORAT Fabrice
Le dim 28/09/2003 à 17:47, lamikr_mdk a écrit : Warly wrote: CD Burner - Why everybody owning CD burner must go manually to edit kernel booting parameters to add lines like hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi. Either add this as a default for every cd device or help to make cd burning softwares to

OT impressed by SuSE? (was Re: [Cooker] And next ?)

2003-09-29 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
Warly wrote: - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml, we should do it now. - What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance of mandrakelinux? Boxes on the store shelves, and included at least as an option with far more new PC's.

Re: [Cooker] And next ? - cooperation with major disk vendor?

2003-09-29 Thread Leon Brooks
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:35, FACORAT Fabrice wrote: You don't know where the disk will be installed, and so if you don't support well the hardware you will just panic ... Bad reputation for linux. This kind of alliance should be made with computers suppliers ( HP, Dell, IBM, Acer, Shuttle ) or

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Marcel Pol
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:42:05 +0300 Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * patch wine to be able to use mono's winforms Suply the patch and I am sure someone can take a look. the patch is found here: http://openlinksw.com/mono/index.html read also: http://go-mono.com/winforms.html

Re: [Cooker] And next ? - cooperation with major disk vendor?

2003-09-29 Thread Svetoslav Slavtchev
Le dim 28/09/2003 à 19:44, Keld Jørn Simonsen a écrit : One thing I saw which could enhance the availablilty of Mandrake was to make an alliance with a major disk vendor, eg. Maxtor, to preinstalle mandrake on a number of disks - free of charge. I think this is what Lindows have done with

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Eddie
Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and it is ridiculous and too confusing. Some one will say that you can install what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or gurpmi it still installs all the packages as before because of dependencies. Please

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 23:46, Robert L martin wrote: 2 not if you have sub megabit access ON THE MACHINE YOU ARE UPGRADING A network install of a typical setup actually involves less downloading than getting three ISOs. My typical installation size is around 1GB, so running an installation over

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Michael Scherer
On Monday 29 September 2003 00:26, Diego Iastrubni wrote: , 28 2003, 21:44,Michael Scherer: * use also apt-get (with the same repositories, IMHO this can be done no?), let the user which app use to install rpms. IMHO it just wastes mirror space ... how many use apt? it

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Michael Scherer
On Monday 29 September 2003 13:38, Eddie wrote: Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and it is ridiculous and too confusing. debian does it, suse too. Some one will say that you can install what you want and leave out other stuff, but if you use urpmi and/or

Re: [Cooker] And next ? - cooperation with major disk vendor?

2003-09-29 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote: Le dim 28/09/2003 à 19:44, Keld Jørn Simonsen a écrit : One thing I saw which could enhance the availablilty of Mandrake was to make an alliance with a major disk vendor, eg. Maxtor, to preinstalle mandrake on a number of

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Scherer wrote: On Monday 29 September 2003 13:38, Eddie wrote: Do not split KDE into so many silly packages. No distro does this and it is ridiculous and too confusing. debian does it, suse too. Some one will say that you can install

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Lea Gris
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Buchan Milne a écrit : | And why do I in a corporate network, with no modem attached, need to | install a setuid binary (pppd) just to install kmail (which used to | install kppp also, which requires ppp). | | Sorry, but this is a good move that has

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Lundi 29 Septembre 2003 14:20, Lea Gris a écrit : Buchan Milne a écrit : | And why do I in a corporate network, with no modem attached, need to | install a setuid binary (pppd) just to install kmail (which used to | install kppp also, which requires ppp). | | Sorry, but this is a good

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lea Gris wrote: Buchan Milne a écrit : | And why do I in a corporate network, with no modem attached, need to | install a setuid binary (pppd) just to install kmail (which used to | install kppp also, which requires ppp). | | Sorry, but this is

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Stew Benedict
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Olivier Thauvin wrote: One good way would be to provides printserver on all printing apps (cups, lpr, lprng...) and samba requires it. They already provide lpddaemon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] stew]$ urpmf --provides lpddaemon cups:lpddaemon LPRng:lpddaemon lpr has been

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Olivier Thauvin wrote: Le Lundi 29 Septembre 2003 14:20, Lea Gris a écrit : Buchan Milne a écrit : | And why do I in a corporate network, with no modem attached, need to | install a setuid binary (pppd) just to install kmail (which used to | install

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le Dimanche 28 Septembre 2003 10:19, Warly a écrit : - What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance of mandrakelinux? Download is very well for people having a fast link. But people having a slow 56k link have few reasons to subscribe to the club. My proposition is to ask

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Leon Brooks
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:55, Buchan Milne wrote: This has no bearing on the matter, since we build against libcups. If we didn't, you wouldn't require any printing-related software installed. If libcups2 isn't exclusive of any of the other printing systems, is it such a big problem to install

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 12:07:47AM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: - How to have more contributors? A bugzilla (or similar product) for the release version? Seems strange I know but if you hook people on the concept as users with a smaller bug number (hopefully) in a release version you

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Vincent Danen
On Sun Sep 28, 2003 at 04:41:35PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/ # drakbug (I don't know how much this will be advertised and if it is all working and tested ... but note that bugs will probably treated more harshly than in bugzilla - where reporters

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Vincent Danen
On Sun Sep 28, 2003 at 02:36:41PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: [...] - How to have more contributors? A bugzilla (or similar product) for the release version? Seems strange I know but if you hook people on the concept as users with a smaller bug number (hopefully) in a release version

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Nora Etukudo
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 07:21:01PM -0400, jokerman64 wrote: but if updates worked better you'd probably do them wouldn't you? No, never. ;-) I hate operating system updates since the early eighties from the last millenium (ALTOS XENIX 2.5, 1982). Liebe Grüße, Nora. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Nora Etukudo
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:56:30AM +0200, Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: Not all of us have high bandwith connection. I test cooker at home, but i can download easily at work : i can download an iso with only rpms modified at work, and use them as 'update' home to test the improvements Oh no, you

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Bret Baptist
On Monday 29 September 2003 11:40 am, Vincent Danen wrote: On Sun Sep 28, 2003 at 02:36:41PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: [...] - How to have more contributors? A bugzilla (or similar product) for the release version? Seems strange I know but if you hook people on the concept as

RE: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1)
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process? Enhancement requests should be handled first and all defects from previous releases fixed or closed. - We though a bit late in the 9.2 development process to split cooker ml, we should do it now. I agree. I am interested in printing and laptop

RE: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1)
- What should we do to improve the Wiki. Create test plans or just simple requests for outside testers when a major feature is added or package updated...

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Michael Scherer
On Sunday 28 September 2003 10:19, Warly wrote: - How to have more contributors? while browsing the web, i have seen that gentoo and netbsd announce their new developpers. this may be a good idea,in order to show that new contributers comes. And, even if this sound a little childish, having

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 10:50:48PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote: - How to have more contributors? while browsing the web, i have seen that gentoo and netbsd announce their new developpers. this may be a good idea,in order to show that new contributers comes. And, even if this sound a

RE: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Buchan Milne
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote: - What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance of mandrakelinux? Target the corporate desktop/client market. - And anything related to the mandrakelinux distro. Include no brainer tools/wizards for creating

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Vincent Meyer, MD
On Monday 29 September 2003 01:50 pm, Nora Etukudo wrote: On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 07:21:01PM -0400, jokerman64 wrote: but if updates worked better you'd probably do them wouldn't you? No, never. ;-) I hate operating system updates since the early eighties from the last millenium (ALTOS

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Buchan Milne
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 10:50:48PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote: - How to have more contributors? while browsing the web, i have seen that gentoo and netbsd announce their new developpers. this may be a good idea,in order to show that new

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread stephlub
Le Dimanche 28 Septembre 2003 10:19, Warly a écrit : It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to have some brainstorm. May you give your opinion on : in my opinion: --- - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? - We though a bit late in the 9.2

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Vincent Danen
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 11:37:22PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: This is what @linux-mandrake.com addresses are for. But again, there is no documented policy (and maybe even the resitrictions on what you should use it for) anywhere, so people don't know how to get one. Hasn't it always been

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread stephlub
Le Lundi 29 Septembre 2003 15:11, Pierre Jarillon a écrit : My proposition is to ask people if they want to help or some help or nothing. - allow to query the database to find people living in the same area. - create a mailing list for each area. Only club members of the same area can access

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Jay DeKing
On Sunday 28 September 2003 9:05 am, Pierre Jarillon honored me with this communique: Le Dimanche 28 Septembre 2003 13:48, Nora Etukudo a écrit : On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:19:44AM +0200, Warly wrote: - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs? No. I don't need ISO's at all during

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Brad Felmey
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 03:19, Warly wrote: - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? The same thing wrong with them all - too little QA/freeze, although this is somewhat better now. Also ludicrous changelogs like fixed something or rebuild. Laurent is the worst about this. Fixed *WHAT*?

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-29 Thread Leon Brooks
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 04:50, Michael Scherer wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2003 10:19, Warly wrote: - How to have more contributors? And, even if this sound a little childish, having a @contributer.mandrake.org mail address for contributer could do some subliminal advertisement, showing that

[Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Warly
It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to have some brainstorm. May you give your opinion on : - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml, we should do it now. - What could we do to

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Jure Repinc
Warly wrote: - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? Well maybe a bit too many problems with mirrors. And the mirror list could be improved a bit (new looks, new mirrors added, old ones removed) And it would be nice to get beta testers start testing earlier and not too late when the

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Aimak Rokalno
This is my first day and the first post in this list :) - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development. I believe that in this actual GNU/Linux distros market, like any other market, only those with exclusive or catching features may get popular and eventually successful. MandrakeClub is

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Michael Reinsch
Hi! On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:19:44 +0200 Warly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May you give your opinion on : - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development. - mdk seems to develop/change their own tools (Drak* - with the exception of urpmi and

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Nora Etukudo
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:19:44AM +0200, Warly wrote: - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs? No. I don't need ISO's at all during development. 'rsync'ing to a local server and installing via net from there is cheap, fast and reliable. I would like to see more focus on Mandrake AutoInstall.

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Francisco Alcaraz
What about a metadistro with a cdrom (in the future a dvdrom) runing Mandrake from the cd-driver? similar to Knoppix but with all the Mandrake goodies. Lot of people has started to use linux after a successfull Knoppix/Gnome-live cd experience. Regards Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain)

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Steffen Barszus
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2003 10:19 schrieb Warly: It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to have some brainstorm. May you give your opinion on : - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? - the mirror situation - the mailinglists were eating mails (on all

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Michael Scherer
On Sunday 28 September 2003 13:17, Michael Reinsch wrote: Hi! - some packages have a maintainer who is not really the maintainer of this package (i.e. most changes are done by someone else), so a bug report isn't assigned to the correct person. we all receive bugreport for all packages, but,

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Michael Reinsch
Hi! On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:22:14 +0200 Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - How to have more contributors? Decreasing time consumption and power needed to participate. It was sometimes like fighting against windmills to get heared on the cooker list. Splitting up the lists could

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Pierre Jarillon
Le Dimanche 28 Septembre 2003 13:48, Nora Etukudo a écrit : On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:19:44AM +0200, Warly wrote: - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs? No. I don't need ISO's at all during development. 'rsync'ing to a local server and installing via net from there is cheap, fast and

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Robert L martin
- What was wrong in 9.2 development process? - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml, we should do it now. - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development. - What should we do to improve the Wiki. - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs? - What could we do,

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-09-28 Thread Simon Oosthoek
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:19:44AM +0200, Warly wrote: - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? I think the targets for a release should be set much earlier in the process. Especially targets for nr of major bugs in the software to be released. Focus more on a small set of features that

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