I live in a small city, so most "city" driving here would more likely be what
you call suburban driving, with maybe 3 to 8 stops per mile.
Another comparison: I noticed that on a 32 mile one way trip on an
interstate I used much lower energy per mile compared to normal when there
was constructio
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The Big EV Debate> Go for Small or Big Battery
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The people I know with Leafs have similar experience as Ed, greater
range if
they drive around town at lower speeds than if they drive on the
highway at
higher speeds. My experience with my conversion is the sa
The people I know with Leafs have similar experience as Ed, greater range if
they drive around town at lower speeds than if they drive on the highway at
higher speeds. My experience with my conversion is the same. I
consistently use about 240 Wh/mile at 60 mph and about 180 Wh/mile at 35
mph, bot
way are by
bicycle.
Peri
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Sent: 30-Sep-15 5:11:29 PM
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On Sep 28, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Peri
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>
> For example, my Leaf gets about 1.5 - 2.5 miles per kWh (depending on
> accessories and temperature) on city streets where I live. But if I go 60mph
> on the freeway, I can sometimes get 4 miles per kWh.
I don’t have any hard data
> On Sep 29, 2015, at 4:09 AM, paul dove via EV wrote:
>
> Easy,
> The only people buying EVs now are early adopters. It's new and most people
> are afraid of them.
Here in Silicon Valley, there are traffic lanes dedicated to EV’s. These used
to be for carpools and they still allow carpools
On 29 Sep 2015 at 14:46, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
> Musk got it absolutely right. Build a great car that just happens to have an
> electric drivetrain. People will buy it because it's a great car, and the
> premium price for the batteries and what-not doesn't even register for those
> who'd buy it.
On 29 Sep 2015 at 15:32, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> The VLC may get 100 miles on 10kw of batteries but Stella gets 375
> miles on 16kw.
I read 268, not 375. Still quite literally incredible.
> I think the difference is the motor and the tires as the CD is the
> same.
Most likely it's
On Sep 29, 2015, at 2:20 PM, rayfellow via EV wrote:
> A tribute to Tesla's market strategy is, the cost of batteries is relitively
> high now. If you're going to put them in a car, make it an expensive one ie.
> Tesla Model S or X.
This is another very important point.
We're at the cusp of mov
I kept up with Oliver Kuttner after he pitched his VLC here in California.
The cars efficency and cost inputs were much lower than conventional cars.
He was hoping for a third world market. Dang, the VLC weighed 1,000 pounds
and would carry just about its weight in passengers and baggage.
A coupl
gt; only
> > > choice is a Prius.
> > > > So, he decided to make an electric car for them. Only he wanted the
> > best
> > > EV and the best car ever. So naturally it sold. He had a target market
> > and
> > > filled a void. He also got the laste
government makes
> > them so naturally they inferior.
> > > As far a a light efficient car,.... there is no market. Small cars have
> > never sold well unless they were cool like the Mini.
> > > Paul
> > > From: rayfellow via EV
> > > To: ev@lists.
.
> > Paul
> > From: rayfellow via EV
> > To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The Big EV Debate> Go for Small or Big Battery
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> >
> > In 2012 I was helping Oliver Kuttner promo
"The car he had in California was electric.
It had a 10KWh battery and would go 100 miles between charges - It weighed
under 1,000 pounds. I rode in the car some 50 miles or so, and was impressed
with the ride, comfort etc. It carried 4 passengers. "
Maybe it's the tires but the VLC gets nowhere ne
them
> so naturally they inferior.
> As far a a light efficient car, there is no market. Small cars have never
> sold well unless they were cool like the Mini.
> Paul
> From: rayfellow via EV
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:12 PM
> S
like the Mini.
Paul
From: rayfellow via EV
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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:12 PM
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In 2012 I was helping Oliver Kuttner promote his VLC or Very Light Car. It
was very aerodyn
On 28 Sep 2015 at 21:30, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> Our budget ev's fail because they are too heavy.
I wasn't going to write anthing more about this subject, but I have to
respond to this.
YOU may consider YOUR budget EVs to be failures, and that's entirely your
right. Maybe they don't
On Mon Sep 28 21:12:35 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>I thought that both would be well recieved. Alas the VLC still sits waiting
>for traction. No one seems interested in it. I wondered why?
Does it have Stereo, Air Conditioning, windows that open, comfy seats,
reasonable acceleration?
Witho
On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:12 PM, rayfellow via EV wrote:
> The difference in per mile costs for an efficient EV vs a
> heavy user is still not all that much.
This is a _very_ significant part of the equation.
My parents recently bought a Leaf. They love it, can't stop talking about it.
And they li
Personally, I think there are two factors.
First, performance. A Tesla is a thrill at every stop light (especially if you
are first in line).
Second, commercialization and availability. Elon Musk had the drive and push
to get his car built and available around the world. Three years ago, Tes
In 2012 I was helping Oliver Kuttner promote his VLC or Very Light Car. It
was very aerodynamic too (0.16 drag). His team won the X prize in 2008 -
getting 108 or so MPG with fuel. The car he had in California was electric.
It had a 10KWh battery and would go 100 miles between charges - It weighed
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I think it is key to remember, though, that a Cd of 0.16 is deep into
concept car territory. Most small
ce Rhodes
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>>The debate should be about light or heavy vehicles and efficiency.
>If
>>you have an
des
> From: Jukka Järvinen
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> ev@lists.evdl.org>
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On 28 Sep 2015 at 20:31, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> The debate should be about light or heavy vehicles and efficiency. If you
> have an efficient vehicle that is light you might draw 55wh per mile. The
> typical heavy conversion like the I3 , Leaf, Rav4, IMEV, or any other of the
> current
8, 2015 2:00 PM
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I think it's more important to think how the user benefits from the battery
sizing.
While it might sound irrational to have 150kWh onboard it would enable
stressless driving with longer useful l
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> Sent: 28-Sep-15 1:31:45 PM
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> The debate s
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Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: The Big EV Debate> Go for Small or Big Battery
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The debate should be about light or heavy vehicles and efficiency. If
you have an efficient vehicle that is light you might draw 55wh per
mile. The typical heavy conversion like th
The debate should be about light or heavy vehicles and efficiency. If you
have an efficient vehicle that is light you might draw 55wh per mile. The
typical heavy conversion like the I3 , Leaf, Rav4, IMEV, or any other of the
currently available EV's are just too heavy to give good range with
http://www.torquenews.com/3618/big-electric-car-debate
The Big Electric Car Debate: Small Battery or Big Battery
By Douglas Stansfield 2015-09-21
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