Re: the love torture

On 10 Jul 2013, at 23:05, Alberto G. Corona wrote: I do not exactly agree. since religion is a natural inclination, and atheists have no organized religion It depends on which atheist sect you talk about. It is an hard subject because those sect are secret. I know them as I leave them, and

Re: Hitch

On 10 Jul 2013, at 22:37, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2013 1:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: UDA shows why and we have to extract physics from that (making comp testable), and how we can do that using the mathematical machine's theology. You're really saying we have to extract physics from comp

Re: Hitch

On 10 Jul 2013, at 21:59, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2013 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Now the converse, where atheism is taken to mean rejection of all gods, rather than one, is not meaningless. You keep using the term "rejection". If by "rejection" you mean "failure to credence" that's OK.

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On 10 Jul 2013, at 21:53, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > they [atheists] believ in Matter, the "thrid God" of Aristotle. But they want you to believe it is not a God, If I could predict God's future actions by solving partial differential equations, I ha

Re: Hitch

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/10/2013 1:59 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:58 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 7/9/2013 11:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:53 PM, chris peck wrote: >> >>> there are many words li

Re: Hitch

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Johnathan Corgan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> My point is that if one takes atheism to be the rejection of all >> conceptions of god, then because those ideas are conceptions of god from >> various religions, then someone who

Re: the love torture

On 7/10/2013 3:48 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: More recently I heard tell of a woman preacher who suddenly announced to her starteled congfregation that at last she was free, she had becomnwe an atheist. That feeling of freedom is normal. after a while she will fee a vacuum since the religious i

Re: Re: the love torture

More recently I heard tell of a woman preacher who suddenly announced to her starteled congfregation that at last she was free, she had becomnwe an atheist. That feeling of freedom is normal. after a while she will fee a vacuum since the religious instinct impulse people to meet people with simila

Re: the love torture

On 7/10/2013 2:05 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: I do not exactly agree. since religion is a natural inclination, and atheists have no organized religion then the religious way of thinking permeate all their lives. I´m not trying to be pejorative. But the religious instinct in the primitive sense

Re: Re: the love torture

Hi Alberto G. Corona Fanaticism is sometimes part of organized reilgion, at least that's how our liberal atheists in Hollywood portray it. And damaging if you're a child or dumb enough to stay. Bart Ehrman was brought up in such a strict fundamentalist family and as soon as he came into the ac

Re: the love torture

I do not exactly agree. since religion is a natural inclination, and atheists have no organized religion then the religious way of thinking permeate all their lives. I´m not trying to be pejorative. But the religious instinct in the primitive sense is not about love and compassion, but the contrary

Re: Hitch

On 7/10/2013 1:34 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jul 2013, at 21:12, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2013 2:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:06, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Kim Jones > wrote: >>>I love Christopher

Re: Hitch

On 10 Jul 2013, at 21:26, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:57, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 meekerdb wrote: > Many people, and dictionaries, confuse agnosticism="that whether or not God exists is unknown" with agnosticism="that whe

Re: Hitch

On 10 Jul 2013, at 21:23, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2013 2:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:37, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > "atheism" is different in America and in Europa, although I have realized now that some atheists in America might b

Re: Hitch

On 7/10/2013 1:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: UDA shows why and we have to extract physics from that (making comp testable), and how we can do that using the mathematical machine's theology. You're really saying we have to extract physics from comp IN ORDER that it be testable. You've said that

Re: Hitch

On 10 Jul 2013, at 21:12, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2013 2:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:06, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Kim Jones wrote: >>>I love Christopher Hitchens. I agree with many points. He is more an anticlerical than an atheist to me

Re: Hitch

On 10 Jul 2013, at 20:51, Johnathan Corgan wrote: In the realm of theistic beliefs, we were all born lacking any; we were all born atheists. No, we are born agnostic. We lack the belief in God, but we lack also the belief in the non-existence of God. Then I am not even sure that babies l

Re: Hitch

On 7/10/2013 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Now the converse, where atheism is taken to mean rejection of all gods, rather than one, is not meaningless. You keep using the term "rejection". If by "rejection" you mean "failure to credence" that's OK. But you seem to imply "assertion of non-exis

Is that a snake or a stick on the ground ? The evolutionary source of self.

Is that a snake or a stick on the ground ? The evolutionary source of self. Perhaps the origin of the self is the amygdala, for through it we can constantly be aware of danger even before we can think. It instantly warns us of danger and thus helps us to survive to reproduce. And perhaps the am

Re: Hitch

On 10 Jul 2013, at 20:00, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > God is the fundamental reality in which you believe in. Since you are not a native speaker I must say it's a bit presumptions of you to insist that the English Language reinvent itself,

Re: Hitch

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > they [atheists] believ in Matter, the "thrid God" of Aristotle. But they > want you to believe it is not a God, > If I could predict God's future actions by solving partial differential equations, and if I could build a bridge overpass by using prestre

Re: the love torture

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > I am amazed these days at the antagonism atheists hold against religion. > And I am amazed that you are amazed that there should be antagonism toward the thing that, with the exception of death itself, has caused more misery than anything e

Re: Hitch

On 7/10/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:57, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: > Many people, and dictionaries, confuse agnosticism="that whether or not God exists is unknown" with agnosticism="that whether or n

Re: Hitch

On 7/10/2013 2:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:37, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > "atheism" is different in America and in Europa, although I have realized now that some atheists in America might be similar, b

Re: Hitch

On 7/10/2013 2:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:06, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Kim Jones > wrote: >>>I love Christopher Hitchens. I agree with many points. He is more an anticlerical than an athe

Re: Hitch

On 7/10/2013 1:59 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:58 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 7/9/2013 11:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:53 PM, chris peck mailto:chris_peck...@hotmail.com>> wrote: there are many words li

Re: Hitch

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > My point is that if one takes atheism to be the rejection of all > conceptions of god, then because those ideas are conceptions of god from > various religions, then someone who remains atheist after exposure to those > ideas (rather than agn

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On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > God is the fundamental reality in which you believe in. > Since you are not a native speaker I must say it's a bit presumptions of you to insist that the English Language reinvent itself, you're a HUGE fan of acronyms so why not use FRIWYB

Re: the love torture

Keep your rosaries away from our ovaries. Keep your jihad bombs away our human bodies. Keep your politics away from our nations politics. None of the above are the result of faith, hope, love or humility. Richard On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > I am amazed these days

the love torture

I am amazed these days at the antagonism atheists hold against religion. I suppose it has to be that way, for there is a natural draw of men toward religion. And if their rejection weren't so oversized, they might fall victim to religion-- that is, to learn humility, and be filled, without any w

Re: Hitch

Right. I reject the Abrahamic god in spite of being ben Avraham but I am not an atheist. My god derives from string theories Calabi-Yau Compact Manifolds. Richard On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:24 AM, chris peck wrote: > > To Jason: > > >>Athe

Re: Hitch

On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:24 AM, chris peck wrote: To Jason: >>Atheism, in its naivety, rejects all these possibilities without even realizing it has done so. How can you possibly speak for atheists generally in this regard? My point is that if one takes atheism to be the rejection of a

RE: Hitch

To Jason: >>Atheism, in its naivety, rejects all these possibilities without even >>realizing it has done so. How can you possibly speak for atheists generally in this regard? Particularly after the arguments you have been making! What do you know of all the possibilities they have entertaine

Re: Hitch

On 09 Jul 2013, at 22:58, John Mikes wrote: (See below): I do not fall for Brent's quip that you want to impose your extended (non-religious?) religion on us, so I continue. Whatever you call 'religious' is continuation of millenia-long habits, hard to break. The Hindus have different ones

Re: Hitch

On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:57, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 meekerdb wrote: > Many people, and dictionaries, confuse agnosticism="that whether or not God exists is unknown" with agnosticism="that whether or not God exists is impossible to know". If God created the universe But is

Re: Hitch

On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:37, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > "atheism" is different in America and in Europa, although I have realized now that some atheists in America might be similar, but not Hitchens. Many people confuse agnosticism and atheism. 1) A atheis

Re: Hitch

On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:06, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Kim Jones wrote: >>>I love Christopher Hitchens. I agree with many points. He is more an anticlerical than an atheist to me ... >> Everybody called him an atheist. He called himself an atheist. I think you

Re: Hitch

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:58 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/9/2013 11:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:53 PM, chris peck wrote: > >> there are many words like that which we use without any fuss. >> >> The word 'game' is a famous example where different games possess a >