Re: What day is it?

On 10/25/2015 5:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/25/2015 8:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 4:39 AM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:

Re: What day is it?

On 10/25/2015 9:48 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: The only sort of existence for which we have concrete evidence is physical existence. We can understand imaginary things, but we have no direct ev

Re: What day is it?

On 10/25/2015 10:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 26/10/2015 3:48 pm, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: The only sort of existence for which we have concrete evidence is physical existence. We can understand ima

Re: What day is it?

On 10/25/2015 10:32 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/25/2015 9:48 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrot

Re: What day is it?

On 10/25/2015 10:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:25 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/25/2015 10:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 26/10/2015 3:48 pm, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Bruc

Re: What day is it?

On 10/25/2015 10:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/25/2015 10:32 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/25/2015 11:32 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 October 2015 at 17:08, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 26/10/2015 5:01 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 03:40:45PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: I think Carroll's

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/25/2015 11:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 October 2015 at 17:43, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/25/2015 11:32 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 October 2015 at 17:08, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.a

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/26/2015 12:15 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 October 2015 at 17:51, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 26/10/2015 5:32 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 October 2015 at 17:08, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/26/2015 2:43 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 05:54:03PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 26/10/2015 5:30 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 05:08:21PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 26/10/2015 5:01 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/26/2015 2:16 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tuesday, 27 October 2015, John Clark > wrote: Russell Standish wrote: Modus ponens is only a formal manipulation of symbols, with no semantic content. ​ I agree.​ Stathis Papai

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/26/2015 3:37 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:44:28AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/26/2015 2:43 AM, Russell Standish wrote: Assuming computationalism, our everyday experience _is_ internal to the system. That doesn't make it any less meaningful. I

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/26/2015 4:52 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Monday, October 26, 2015, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On 27/10/2015 8:16 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On Tuesday, 27 October 2015, John Clark > wrote: >> >> >>> >>> > >>> so where

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/26/2015 6:15 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 27/10/2015 12:05 pm, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: On 27/10/2015 10:52 am, Jason Resch wrote: On Monday, October 26, 2015, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/26/2015 11:00 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 October 2015 at 16:57, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 27/10/2015 4:50 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 October 2015 at 14:22, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/26/2015 11:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-10-27 7:44 GMT+01:00 Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>: On 10/26/2015 3:37 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:44:28AM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/26/2015 2:43 AM

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/27/2015 12:10 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 October 2015 at 17:32, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/26/2015 2:16 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tuesday, 27 October 2015, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/27/2015 12:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/26/2015 4:52 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Monday, October 26, 2015, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/27/2015 11:43 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-10-27 19:16 GMT+01:00 Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>: On 10/26/2015 11:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-10-27 7:44 GMT+01:00 Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>: On 10/26/2015 3

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/27/2015 3:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 28 Oct 2015, at 1:30 AM, John Clark > wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Stathis Papaioannou mailto:stath...@gmail.com>> wrote: ​ >> ​ ​From examples in the physical world. You can gi

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/27/2015 3:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Sent from my iPhone On 28 Oct 2015, at 4:49 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/26/2015 11:00 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 October 2015 at 16:57, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusn

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/28/2015 2:14 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 28 Oct 2015, at 9:28 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/27/2015 3:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 28 Oct 2015, at 1:30 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Stathis Pa

Re: Responsibility and Personhood

On 10/28/2015 7:11 PM, Jason Resch wrote: At some level, an algorithm cannot be held responsible for its actions because it was doing the only thing it could do, what it was programmed to do. At some point between a simplistic algorithm and a human level AI, however, we seem able to assigning

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/28/2015 11:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 29 Oct 2015, at 2:12 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/28/2015 2:14 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 28 Oct 2015, at 9:28 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/27/2015 3:04 PM, Stathis Papaioan

Re: Responsibility and Personhood

On 10/29/2015 6:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Russell Standish mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au>> wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 09:11:34PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > At some level, an algorithm cannot be held responsible for its actions > because

Re: Responsibility and Personhood

On 10/29/2015 9:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 10/29/2015 6:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Russell Standish mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au>> wrote:

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/30/2015 9:30 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-10-30 17:13 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux >: 2015-10-30 17:01 GMT+01:00 John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>>: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux mailto:allco...@gmail.com>>wro

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 10/30/2015 11:36 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-10-30 19:20 GMT+01:00 Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>: On 10/30/2015 9:30 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-10-30 17:13 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux mailto:allco...@gmail.com>>: 2015-10-30

Re: The desert island amnesiac - a multiverse parable

On 10/30/2015 5:39 AM, Pierz wrote: So imagine a guy washed up on a small desert island after a plane crash. Unfortunately during the plane crash he suffered a traumatic injury which caused him to completely lose his memory. He wakes up on the sure without the faintest clue about who he is or

Re: The desert island amnesiac - a multiverse parable

On 10/31/2015 7:14 PM, Pierz wrote: Interesting, but you may be running afoul of some fuzziness in the notion of "information content". What you seem to be referring to is complexity rather than information, which is typically equated with entropy. If you want to reproduce a system by stori

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

On 10/31/2015 8:55 PM, Pierz wrote: OK, a subject title designed to provoke, but here's a thought that has intrigued me. Computationalism (and let's not worry for the time being about whether one buys Bruno's UDA) states that consciousness supervenes on computation. This necesssarily implies

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

On 10/31/2015 11:47 PM, Pierz wrote: On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 4:18:05 PM UTC+11, Brent wrote: On 10/31/2015 8:55 PM, Pierz wrote: OK, a subject title designed to provoke, but here's a thought that has intrigued me. Computationalism (and let's not worry for the time b

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

On 11/1/2015 12:59 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sunday, 1 November 2015, Pierz > wrote: OK, a subject title designed to provoke, but here's a thought that has intrigued me. Computationalism (and let's not worry for the time being about whether one

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

On 11/1/2015 11:09 PM, Pierz wrote: On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 6:25:57 PM UTC+11, Brent wrote: On 10/31/2015 11:47 PM, Pierz wrote: On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 4:18:05 PM UTC+11, Brent wrote: On 10/31/2015 8:55 PM, Pierz wrote: OK, a subject title desi

Re: The Brain With Dr. David Eagleman

I wonder how many on the list are watching this series. http://www.pbs.org/the-brain-with-david-eagleman/home/ On 11/2/2015 9:39 PM, ag wrote: An experiment was described

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

On 11/3/2015 1:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Well, in machine's theology, the proof of the immortality of the soul by Socrates is valid, but is not constructive, and its practical aspect is dependent of you degree of appreciation of not knowing who you (first person are). Then, a priori computa

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 11/3/2015 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Nov 2015, at 11:23, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 2/11/2015 7:10 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Nov 2015, at 06:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: Which is just your idiosyncratic way of saying that we have to apply a projection operator. No, we have to re

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 11/3/2015 4:49 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/11/2015 8:50 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Nov 2015, at 11:23, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 2/11/2015 7:10 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: The choice of the bases is what Zurek have explained. That extends Everett. I think you should study Zurek at litt

Re: Virgin Birth

Thanks for posting those links. Brent On 11/3/2015 5:13 AM, PGC wrote: Thanks goes out to Bruno for making the effort to put some lectures out there in video form. I enjoy Bruno's posts and it is nice to have them complemented by video material from time to time: https://www.youtube.com/watc

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

t;: I read it all, did not find what PA and RA are standing for. Can you explain in brief? Thanks John M On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 4:06 AM, Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: On 02 Nov 2015, at 18:30, Brent Meeker wrot

Re: Virgin Birth

On 11/3/2015 1:57 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 05:13:11AM -0800, PGC wrote: On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 1:14:28 AM UTC+1, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Nov 01, 2015 at 08:22:13AM -0800, PGC wrote: The questions are comp related. I don't know why you *wouldn't* fi

Re: Virgin Birth

On 11/3/2015 2:30 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 02:05:53PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: Biological theory says that sexual reproduction should halve the fitness of the organism as compared with asexual (or parthenogenetic) reproduction, so asexual reproduction should be

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 11/3/2015 8:15 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/11/2015 1:26 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 11:59:41AM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: I disagree. I do not think the quantum mechanics /ab initio/ is in any way possible. This is what I do in appendix D of my book. It then beh

Re: Intelligent design - maybe?

On 11/4/2015 1:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Nov 2015, at 18:30, Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/3/2015 1:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Well, in machine's theology, the proof of the immortality of the soul by Socrates is valid, but is not constructive, and its practical aspect is depe

Fwd: experimental study contradicts global workspace theory

Forwarded Message Apparently well-designed study of conscious/unconscious EEG signals contradicts global workspace theory of consciousness. "It seems that brain signals thought to reflect consciousness are also generated during unconscious activity." https://www.newscient

Re: Carroll's Paradox

On 11/4/2015 5:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 5/11/2015 11:03 am, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Nov 04, 2015 at 03:15:51PM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: This scarcely counts as a derivation of any useful physics at all, much less of quantum mechanics that relates to observational results. It

Re: Virgin Birth

That was my understanding too, Terren. Brent On 11/5/2015 6:52 PM, Terren Suydam wrote: The reason sex evolved seems so obvious to me that upon hearing that there is no consensus, I fear I must be missing something. Asexual reproduction leads to organisms that can only adapt to changing en

Why de Sitter space is needed for consciousness

Here's an interesting essay by Scott that ends up with a somewhat more technical explication of my idea that consciousness requires a world or environment with which it interacts. http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1951 However, he doesn't notice that this also solves the problem of why we

Fwd: Microsoft releasing quantum computing simulator

Forwarded Message FYI -- "The simulator is 30 qubits, which requires 32 gigabytes of memory. That means it can run on a high-end laptop or desktop. Every qubit added, he warns, will *double* the memory requirement." http://fortune.com/2015/11/13/microsoft-quantum-comput

Re: Why de Sitter space is needed for consciousness

On 11/13/2015 2:21 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Saturday, 14 November 2015, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: Here's an interesting essay by Scott that ends up with a somewhat more technical explication of my idea that consciousness requires

Re: Why de Sitter space is needed for consciousness

On 11/13/2015 5:27 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Saturday, 14 November 2015, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 11/13/2015 2:21 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Saturday, 14 November 2015, Brent Meeker > wrote: Here's an int

Debate questions.

Questions you wish they'd really asked at the Republican debate: http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/11/16/hardball-questions-for-the-next-debate/ Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop rece

Re: Debate questions.

'effects' on this email to assist in your reading of this epistle, so as to speed it all up, and lessen your likely, disgust at my words. Regards, none the less, Mitch -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker To: EveryThing Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2015 10:16 pm Subject: Debate que

Re: Is consciousness hypercomputable?

But see http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1799 Brent On 12/10/2015 5:54 PM, Dan wrote: I should mention this paper, which gives credence to HHI by beginning with Tononi's Integrated Information Theory of consciousness and, by assuming consciousness is a lossless integrative process, conclu

Re: Is consciousness hypercomputable?

On 12/10/2015 9:30 PM, Dan wrote: Alright, I'm going to try to piece things together and start by backing up. The determination of whether matter, described by QM, has a spectrum gap has recently been shown to be undecidable per the third link in first post. Maybe. Real lattices are not 2D

Re: Is consciousness hypercomputable?

On 12/10/2015 10:27 PM, Dan wrote: If we could harness the undecidability of the spectral gap to implement infinite real weights for Hava Siegelmann's analog recurrent neural network model, How does uncomputability of an energy gap have anything to do with unbounded values for connection we

Re: Debate questions.

On 12/11/2015 1:09 PM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List >wrote: ​ > ​ Interesting. Your comments reminds me of the 1948 film based on the screenplay by author, Graham Green, for the film, The Third M

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

It wasn't their land either until they conquered whoever was there before them. The "prime directive" was to not interfere in another culture...it didn't say anything about replacing it. Should the Spaniards have "respected" the human sacrifice religions of the Aztecs. Were we wrong to int

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 12/22/2015 1:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: It wasn't their land either until they conquered whoever was there before them. "Their" in the sense of being born there,

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 12/22/2015 4:31 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:07 AM, John Clark > wrote: On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com>>wrote: ​ > ​ In realty, 16th century Spaniards couldn't give a

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 12/23/2015 1:12 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:31 PM, John Clark > wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 Telmo Menezes mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com>>wrote: ​ > ​ >>​ ​ and their

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 12/27/2015 3:56 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/23/2015 1:12 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:31 PM, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 12/27/2015 5:49 PM, Pierz wrote: The argument that the telescope should be built (or not) can only be founded on values, not facts. Like JC, I value the progress of scientific knowledge highly, and I've never been to Mauna Kea, so I'm naturally in favour of building it. But pointing to the

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 12/28/2015 2:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/27/2015 3:56 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 12/28/2015 5:30 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/28/2015 2:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 12/28/2015 5:48 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/28/2015 2:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 1/4/2016 2:47 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 Telmo Menezes >wrote: ​ ​ >> ​ Subjectivity, especially my subjectivity, is the most important thing in the universe; or at least it is in my opinion. ​ ​ >

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 1/1/2016 3:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/28/2015 5:30 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Native Hawaiian Religious Imbeciles

On 1/5/2016 6:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:10 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/1/2016 3:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: New prime number found

The number ends in 1 not the power of two, which must end in 2. Brent On 1/20/2016 11:49 AM, John Mikes wrote: JKC: is that so indeed? my minuscule math tells me that if something (any long number - or short) ends with a "1" then the/*_MINUS 1_*/ of this number ends in a zero, dividable e.g. b

Re: New prime number found

It's to correct your misreading. 2^74207281 concludes ...436352 so 2^74207281-1 concludes ...436351 and does not end in zero. Brent On 1/22/2016 1:12 PM, John Mikes wrote: /Is this to vindicate, or abrogate my negative response?/ /JM/ On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Brent M

Re: A computer masters the game GO

On 1/27/2016 10:38 AM, John Clark wrote: Skeptics said a computer could never master the game of GO because there were 10^170 possible board positions , far far far more than chess and vastly more than the number of atoms in the observable universe, so a brute force search for the best move c

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 1/31/2016 6:46 PM, John Clark wrote: I wish I could be more confident but that's the best bet I could find. And as I've said if at does't work at least it won't make me any deader. But it could make you worse off. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

had a good option. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker To: everything-list Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2016 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain On 1/31/2016 6:46 PM, John Clark wrote: I wish I could be more confident but that's the

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

ssage- From: Brent Meeker To: everything-list Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2016 11:14 PM Subject: Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain There could also be a physiological cost. Brent On 1/31/2016 7:42 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: There is a 13 min scifi short on youtube, that shows

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 2/1/2016 10:54 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: Yes, I'm indeed grateful to God for being born to Muslim parents which did make it easier for me from my earliest years to experience Islam. Experiencing it is one thing. Believing it is another thing...a very sad thing that a child should have her

Re: Quantum Computers

On 2/3/2016 2:34 PM, John Clark wrote: A recent paper in Nature Communications gives more evidence that Quantum Computers might produce as big a revolution as Nanotechnology, Seth Lloyd, Silvano Garnerone and Paolo Zanardi have found a Quantum algorithms for the topological analysis of data:

Re: LIGO

And probably an even bigger deal if they aren't found. Brent On 2/9/2016 2:21 PM, Russell Standish wrote: For one, gravity waves are a definite prediction of Einstein's General Realativity. At some point, the sensitivity of gravity wave detectors will be such that if they don't turn up, it will

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 2/10/2016 4:25 PM, John Clark wrote: The chain of "explain this" arguments either comes to an end or it does not and as a result is infinite Actually, as Bill Clinton would say, there's a third way. Explanations can be circular and if it's a big enough circle that, somewhere around it, X

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 2/10/2016 5:50 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>wrote: ​ > ​ Explanations can be circular and if it's a big enough circle that, somewhere around it, X is explained in terms of Y and Y is something yo

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 2/10/2016 7:34 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>wrote: ​ ​ > ​ First, that's a causal loop. Not all explanations are in terms of causes. ​If a explanation doesn't **cause** a understa

Re: Gravitational Waves Detected By LIGO!

The LIGO detects gravitational waves - even from events that produce no photons. Brent On 2/11/2016 7:28 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: My thought is I wonder if its possible to create some kind of gravitational wave detector that can view objects that don't produce a lot of photon

Re: Gravitational Waves Detected By LIGO!

The interaction is gravitational. The first experimental evidence for gravitational waves was the correct derivation of the observed orbital decay of a double star due to energy radiated as gravitational waves. Brent On 2/12/2016 4:57 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: I thought the gravitational waves

Re: Gravitational Waves Detected By LIGO!

into gravitational waves... how? Fusion and fission are easy examples of mass to energy conversion - so what's the specific interaction here according to theory? On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: The interaction is gravi

Re: Gravitational Waves Detected By LIGO!

In relativity mass and energy are interchangeable. For example, most of the mass of a proton is in the kinetic energy of the quarks. When a planetary orbit decays (by radiating gravity waves) kinetic energy is lost and this shows up as less gravitational mass for the sun/planet system. So ma

Re: Gravitational Waves Detected By LIGO!

nearby planet, the mass has a certain amount of kinetic energy. Does that mean its mass changes depending on the frame of reference it is being observed from? On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: In relativity mass and energy are interch

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 2/15/2016 12:38 PM, John Mikes wrote: JKC wrote: " Giuseppe Peano ​ did not have​ a brain made of matter that obeyed the laws of physics ​ ?!​ Was he headless or just brainless? Perhaps Giuseppe's mother had the Zika virus when she was pregnant. Physical sciences - so far - never explain

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

n temporarily traceable) locus. * *We know so little!* * * *John Mikes* On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 2/15/2016 12:38 PM, John Mikes wrote: JKC wrote: " Giuseppe Peano ​ did not have​ a brain made of matter t

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

ell. JM On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 2/16/2016 12:38 PM, John Mikes wrote: * /(JM):Physical sciences - so far - never explained the MENTAL activity assigned to brains (guts?)/ (Brent:) No, but they explain

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 2/17/2016 12:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What would be the property of the generic that is not Turing emulable. Existence? That would beg the question How would that be begging the question and more than asserting that RA exists? Brent -- You received this message because you are subsc

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 2/18/2016 1:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Feb 2016, at 21:50, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/17/2016 12:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What would be the property of the generic that is not Turing emulable. Existence? That would beg the question How would that be begging the question and

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 2/22/2016 4:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: In the formal treatment, this is recovered by the fact that G* proves the extensional equivalence of all intensional variants of provability, and G* proves the non intensional equivalence of thoise variants, by constructively ascribing them different

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 2/23/2016 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Feb 2016, at 18:00, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/22/2016 4:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: In the formal treatment, this is recovered by the fact that G* proves the extensional equivalence of all intensional variants of provability, and G

Fwd: Re: Some remarks on the mathematical structure of the multiverse

Bruno, what do you think of this paper? Brent Forwarded Message *The Super-Turing Computational Power of Plastic Recurrent Neural Networks* http://binds.cs.umass.edu/papers/2014_cabessa.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Every

Re: Extreme Physical Information

I don't think it has anything to do with Gödel's incompleteness theorems. Those are about the relation of proofs and consistency. Minimizing Fisher information is just maximum entropy (minimal assumption of information) when both means and variances are known. It's going to give the exact answ

Re: Extreme Physical Information

On 3/1/2016 7:29 PM, Dan wrote: Also- minimization of Fisher information is one shockingly effective approach to statistic inference of models for complex natural phenomena (e.g., ones involving multiple evolving interacting agents). When you don't know the true probability distribution of va

Re: Cryonics punched cards and the brain

On 3/4/2016 12:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Einstein made clear when he use the good lord as a parable and when it is not. See the book by Jammer. It explains why God was against atheists (which at that time was what we call non-agnostic atheists today). Einstein refer to the mystical sight of

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

On 3/7/2016 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: the glass-of-beer created the natural numbers (with their law of addition and multiplication), and (and that is the new thing) all the rest emerges from them, or a construction by them. But you insist that the numbers exist because they provably sat

Fwd: Re: [math-fun] can't win by resigning

An interesting comment on the problems of artificial intelligence. A problem long foreseen but never actually exemplified until now is that an AI that gains it's intelligence by experience (as AlphaGo does) is going to be unpredictable when confronted with problems outside the range of it's exp

Re: Code: The Origin of Life

On 3/21/2016 2:47 PM, John Mikes wrote: I had a good friend - almost ordained into Catholic priesthood - who said: it represents so little effort with so much benefit at stake to believe, that it is really not worthwhile not to... So did he believe in Agdistis or Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura M

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