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> On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 7:57:43 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>> On 8/8/2018 12:41 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 5:33:57 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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>>> O
On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 7:57:43 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 8/8/2018 12:41 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 5:33:57 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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>> On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 4:54:28 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 5:46:22 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 8 Aug 2018, at 13:50, Bruce Kellett > wrote:
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> From: Bruno Marchal >
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> On 8 Aug 2018, at 01:39, Bruce Kellett > wrote:
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> From: Bruno Marchal >
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> If there is a FTL physical influence, even if there is no info
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 5:33:57 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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> On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 4:54:28 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 10:16:17 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
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>>> As long as the universe is not resolved into indiv
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 10:16:17 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> As long as the universe is not resolved into individual subsystems *(that
> is, no tensor decomposition of the WF)*, there is no measurement problem.
>
> IMO, highly doubtful, or minimally outside the domain of quantu
On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 6:22:45 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 6 Aug 2018, at 09:23, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 5:50:56 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 4:43:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> On
On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 6:22:45 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 6 Aug 2018, at 09:23, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 5:50:56 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 4:43:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> On
On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:50:58 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 5 Aug 2018, at 19:50, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 4:43:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 4 Aug 2018, at 23:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> AFAIK, no one has ever observed
On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 6:47:55 PM UTC, scerir wrote:
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> Il 4 agosto 2018 alle 23.32 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto:
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> AFAIK, no one has ever observed a probability wave, from which I conclude
> the wave function has only epistemic content. So I have embraced the "shut
> up and calc
On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 5:50:56 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 4:43:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 4 Aug 2018, at 23:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> AFAIK, no one has ever observed a probability wave, from which I conclude
>> the wa
On Sunday, August 5, 2018 at 4:43:21 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 4 Aug 2018, at 23:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> AFAIK, no one has ever observed a probability wave, from which I conclude
> the wave function has only epistemic content.
>
>
>
> Then you need to explain how that epi
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 10:00:58 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> Do you really think that using your words, insults and so on will convince
> anyone?
>
*No, of course not They're beyond being effected by simple logic, or common
sense, which became extinct not so long ago. They can't
As long as the universe is not resolved into individual subsystems *(that
is, no tensor decomposition of the WF)*, there is no measurement problem.
IMO, highly doubtful, or minimally outside the domain of quantum theory
where there is such a thing as measurements, and thus the dualism being
den
AFAIK, no one has ever observed a probability wave, from which I conclude
the wave function has only epistemic content. So I have embraced the "shut
up and calculate" interpretation of the wave function. I also see a
connection between the True Believers of the MWI, and Trump sycophants;
they s
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 10:39:52 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 8/1/2018 2:57 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:36:18 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>> On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 9:36:18 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 4:41:02 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com
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> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:09:45 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/31/2018 6
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 4:41:02 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:09:45 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/31/2018 6:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/31/2018 2:43
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:09:45 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/31/2018 6:22 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>> On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 1:22:44 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 12:11:48 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/31/2018 2:43 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC,
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 7:14:53 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/31/2018 6:43 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Bren
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 4:47:13 PM UTC, Jason wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker > wrote:
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>> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>>> On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 6:11:18 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 4:21:53 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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> From: Jason Resch >
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch >
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>> You can use "itself" only if this "it" can be in multiple locations and
>> heading in different directions.
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>> Tha
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>> On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> *and claims the system being measured is physically in
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:33:21 AM UTC, Bruce wrote:
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> From: Jason Resch >
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:36 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch >
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 6:12 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote:
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>>> From: Jason Resch >
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>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 1
On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 12:57:34 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:42 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch >
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:22 PM Bruce Kellett > > wrote:
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>>> From: Jason Resch >
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>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:38 PM Brent Meeker >>
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:38:38 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/30/2018 7:39 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> Does it exist and happen, or does the final result merely materialize
>>> magically like the live or dead cat?
>>>
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>> *In my view, we don't know how the final result materializes; the
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 11:11:56 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote:
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> >>
>>> Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in
>>> the "Shut Up And Calculate" quantum interpretation and are only interested
>>> in p
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> *and claims the system being measured is physically in all eigenstates
> simultaneously before measurement.*
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> Nobody claims that this is true. But most of us would I think agree
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 4:58:07 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 5:16 PM, >
> wrote:
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> *>Why obsess about the alleged FTL collapse of the wf?*
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> FTL is not the problem, every experimental result and every quantum
> interpretation I've ever heard of says information
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 2:11:11 PM UTC, Jason wrote:
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:29 AM, Bruce Kellett > wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch >
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Brent Meeker > > wrote:
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>>> ?? Quantum computers cannot calculate anything more than classical
>>> com
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 5:17:16 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Brent Meeker > wrote:
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>> ?? Quantum computers cannot calculate anything more than classical
>> computers. There are some algorithms that allow a QC to calculate
>> something faster; but the do
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 5:08:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 10:30 PM, >
> wrote:
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>> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 3:11:47 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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>>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 6:44 PM, wrote:
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On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 11:23:49 PM UT
On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 3:11:47 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 6:44 PM, >
> wrote:
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>> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 11:23:49 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>>
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>>> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 10:31:05 PM UTC, Jason wrote:
Quantum computers re
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 11:23:49 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 10:31:05 PM UTC, Jason wrote:
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>> Quantum computers represent a disproof of the conjecture that the wave
>> function is merely a convenience or tool for estimating probabilities of
>> e
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 10:31:05 PM UTC, Jason wrote:
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> Quantum computers represent a disproof of the conjecture that the wave
> function is merely a convenience or tool for estimating probabilities of
> experimental outcomes, rather than something that is real. The reason: it
> does thi
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 8:17:34 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 5:32:37 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>> *>If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and
>>> have dem
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 5:32:37 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Jason Resch > wrote:
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> *>If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and
>> have demented our own view of reality into a stark violation of what ours
>> senses so plai
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 1:54:06 PM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote:
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> On 29 July 2018 at 15:46, smitra > wrote:
> > My final word would be the following. There only exists an eternal
> > multiverse comprising of all possible observations.
This is a conjecture for which no support exists. AG
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 9:10:57 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 7:40:44 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 28 Jul 2018, at 11:11, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
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>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7
On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 7:40:44 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 28 Jul 2018, at 11:11, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>> On 7/25/2018 11:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 25 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Jason Resch w
Up and Dn are realizable physical states for a spin 1/2 particle. Up - Dn,
and Up + Dn are also realizable, that is physical states of a spin 1/2
particle, according to the QM formaliam. We can't measure the latter two
states because, presumably, we can't imagine what they are. Not being able
t
On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 5:44:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 28 Jul 2018, at 01:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 7:15:58 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
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>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:19:47 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 11:39:34 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 27 Jul 2018, at 21:07, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 10:41:32 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 23:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
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>> On Thursday, July 26, 2
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 7/25/2018 11:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 25 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Jason Resch >
> wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote:
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>>
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>> On 7/24/2018 7:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>> O
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 7:15:58 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:19:47 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 19:55, a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:58:47 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:18:49 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>
>
> On 7/26/2018 11:31 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>
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> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, > a
> écrit :
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, wrote:
>>>
>>
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:19:47 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>
>
> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 19:55, > a
> écrit :
>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:58:47 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 09:26, a écrit :
>>>
On Friday, July 27, 2
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 10:41:32 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 26 Jul 2018, at 23:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:59:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>
>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 09:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> *I think this discussion
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:58:47 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>
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> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 09:26, > a
> écrit :
>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:31:26 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, a écrit :
>>>
On Thursday, July 26,
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 8:50:36 AM UTC, telmo_menezes wrote:
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> On 27 July 2018 at 09:26, > wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:31:26 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thursday, Jul
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 6:31:26 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>
>
> Le ven. 27 juil. 2018 à 00:10, > a
> écrit :
>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, wrote:
>>>
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 9:59:49 PM UTC, stathisp wrote:
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>
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 2:08 am, > wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I still
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 5:19:00 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 26 Jul 2018, at 13:06, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> -- a mental illness, verging on, but not quite a form of insanity. AG
>
>
>
> That was like the final word of the Church about Giordano Bruno, who dared
> to sugges
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:59:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 26 Jul 2018, at 09:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> *I think this discussion is a waste of time. You can't even understand why
> a classical wave which extends to infinity along an infinite plane implies
> FTL,*
>
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:11 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> I still don't get it why some people prefer insulting other people and
>> their ideas instead of discussing or just stay with their own th
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:24:42 AM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> I still don't get it why some people prefer insulting other people and
> their ideas instead of discussing or just stay with their own thoughts and
> just say they disagree... What do you gain by saying they are insane,
-- a mental illness, verging on, but not quite a form of insanity. AG
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 12:14:29 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 7:29:30 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 11:36:35 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>>>
>>> Different eigenstates with the same eigenvalues are
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:40:26 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 25 Jul 2018, at 12:30, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 24,
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:40:26 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 25 Jul 2018, at 12:30, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 24,
On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 10:30:34 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:37:19 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>>>
On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 11:36:35 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>
> Different eigenstates with the same eigenvalues are degenerate. This
> degeneracy can be split however if you turn on some perturbing field, such
> as an electric or magnetic field. An electric and magnetic field applie
On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 8:24:31 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 12:49:02 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/Quantum/node40.html
>>
>
> Can we have different eigenfunctions with the same eigenvalue?
On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:37:19 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>
>>
>> Le mar. 24 juil. 2018 à 20:30, a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 24, 201
On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 12:49:02 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/qmech/Quantum/node40.html
>
Can we have different eigenfunctions with the same eigenvalue? How common
is this? TIA, AG
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On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:37:19 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>
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> Le mar. 24 juil. 2018 à 20:30, > a
> écrit :
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>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 12:58:43 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 09:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July
On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 12:58:43 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 24 Jul 2018, at 09:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 4:27:03 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 23:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 7:48:02 AM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
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--- Where does the theory assert this? I don't see this, and the usual
suspects are silent. I suppose they can't stand the heat. I see that Peres
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> discourse. It says we a
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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> has fallen in love with. Consider the example of a vector in a plane
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On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 11:55:45 PM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
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On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 4:48:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 12:19:23 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:22:03 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 5:14:34 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>> On 7/4/2018 1:57 AM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote:
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