> On 28 Jul 2018, at 14:37, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 11:39:34 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 27 Jul 2018, at 21:07, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 10:41:32 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> On 26 Jul 2018,
On Saturday, July 28, 2018 at 11:39:34 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 27 Jul 2018, at 21:07, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 10:41:32 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 23:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Thursday, July 26,
> On 27 Jul 2018, at 21:07, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 10:41:32 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 23:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:59:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> On 26 Jul
> On 27 Jul 2018, at 20:40, Brent Meeker wrote:
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>
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> On 7/27/2018 3:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> That is solved in QM by having only square integral functions, which tends
>> to zero on infinity.
>> A classical wave with arbitrary high amplitude is an dubious physical
>> reality. It
On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 10:41:32 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 26 Jul 2018, at 23:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:59:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 09:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> *I think this discussion
On 7/27/2018 3:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That is solved in QM by having only square integral functions, which
tends to zero on infinity.
A classical wave with arbitrary high amplitude is an dubious physical
reality. It belongs to math, where there is no FTL, given that there
is no time
> On 26 Jul 2018, at 23:37, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:59:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 09:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> I think this discussion is a waste of time. You can't even understand why a
>> classical wave
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:59:01 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 26 Jul 2018, at 09:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
> *I think this discussion is a waste of time. You can't even understand why
> a classical wave which extends to infinity along an infinite plane implies
> FTL,*
>
> On 26 Jul 2018, at 09:55, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think this discussion is a waste of time. You can't even understand why a
> classical wave which extends to infinity along an infinite plane implies FTL,
You are right. I can’t understand that. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:40:26 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 25 Jul 2018, at 12:30, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, July
On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:40:26 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 25 Jul 2018, at 12:30, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, July
> On 25 Jul 2018, at 22:03, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 10:30:34 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote:
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> On 25 Jul 2018, at 12:30, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:37:19 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> Le
On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 10:30:34 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:37:19 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>>>
On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:29:58 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:37:19 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> Le mar. 24 juil. 2018 à 20:30, a écrit :
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>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 24,
> On 24 Jul 2018, at 21:53, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:37:19 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> Le mar. 24 juil. 2018 à 20:30, > a écrit :
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> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 12:58:43 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 09:19,
On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 6:37:19 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> Le mar. 24 juil. 2018 à 20:30, > a
> écrit :
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>> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 12:58:43 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>>
>>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 09:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July
Le mar. 24 juil. 2018 à 20:30, a écrit :
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> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 12:58:43 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 09:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 4:27:03 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>>
>>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 23:12,
On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 12:58:43 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 24 Jul 2018, at 09:19, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 4:27:03 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 23:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Friday, July 20,
> On 24 Jul 2018, at 09:19, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 4:27:03 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 23:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 10:17:04 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> On 20 Jul
On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 4:27:03 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 20 Jul 2018, at 23:12, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 10:17:04 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 04:40, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> *Nevertheless, I
> On 20 Jul 2018, at 23:12, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 10:17:04 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 04:40, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> Nevertheless, I still stand with Schroedinger that in any quantum
>> superposition,
On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 10:17:04 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 20 Jul 2018, at 04:40, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 9:24:26 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>>
> On 20 Jul 2018, at 04:40, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 9:24:26 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 05:02, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote:
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> On 18 Jul 2018, at 23:24, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 05:02, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 2:00:47 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com
>>
On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 9:24:26 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 05:02, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 2:00:47 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com
On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 4:39:30 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 18 Jul 2018, at 05:02, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 2:00:47 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 12:00:08 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>
>>>
> On 18 Jul 2018, at 05:02, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 2:00:47 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 12:00:08 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 16 Jul 2018, at 23:08, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote:
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>> On
On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 2:00:47 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 12:00:08 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 16 Jul 2018, at 23:08, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
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>> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 8:30:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>
On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 12:00:08 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 16 Jul 2018, at 23:08, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 8:30:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 13 Jul 2018, at 01:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Wednesday, July
> On 16 Jul 2018, at 23:08, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 8:30:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 13 Jul 2018, at 01:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
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>> On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 2:16:24 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com
>>
On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 7:48:02 AM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
>
> --- SCERIR; IN YOU OWN WORDS; WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE AND WHY? AG
>
> Is the state ψ (i.e. a superposition state) a physically object or is it
> an abstract entity that merely provides information about the system?
>
*We know for
On Sunday, July 15, 2018 at 7:48:02 AM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
>
> --- SCERIR; IN YOU OWN WORDS; WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE AND WHY? AG
>
> Is the state ψ (i.e. a superposition state) a physically object or is it
> an abstract entity that merely provides information about the system?
>
*It just gives
On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 8:30:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 13 Jul 2018, at 01:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 2:16:24 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 4:42:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>>
> On 15 Jul 2018, at 15:48, 'scerir' via Everything List
> wrote:
>
> --- SCERIR; IN YOU OWN WORDS; WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE AND WHY? AG
>
> Is the state ψ (i.e. a superposition state) a physically object or is it an
> abstract entity that merely provides information about the system?
>
> This
> On 13 Jul 2018, at 01:55, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 2:16:24 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 4:42:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>
> On 7/10/2018 3:01 PM, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote:
>> IIRC, the above quote
--- SCERIR; IN YOU OWN WORDS; WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE AND WHY? AG
Is the state ψ (i.e. a superposition state) a physically object or is it an
abstract entity that merely provides information about the system?
This is the question.
This mystery is the fact that no physical property is, in
"The compulsion to replace the "simultaneous* happenings, as indicated
directly by the theory,
--- Where does the theory assert this? I don't see this, and the usual
suspects are silent. I suppose they can't stand the heat. I see that Peres
is focused on how the complex amplitudes are
> Il 13 luglio 2018 alle 20.55 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto:
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>
>
> On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 8:24:32 AM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
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> > >
> >
> > > > > Il 12 luglio 2018 alle 3.57 agrays...@gmail.com ha
> > scritto:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On
On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 8:24:32 AM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
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>
> Il 12 luglio 2018 alle 3.57 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto:
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> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 11:23:55 PM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
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> Il 11 luglio 2018 alle 0.01 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto:
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>
>
> On Monday, July 9,
On Wednesday, July 11, 2018 at 2:16:24 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 4:42:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2018 3:01 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> *IIRC, the above quote is also in the Wiki article. It's not a coherent
>> argument;
> Il 12 luglio 2018 alle 3.57 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 11:23:55 PM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
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> > >
> >
> > > > > Il 11 luglio 2018 alle 0.01 agrays...@gmail.com ha
> > scritto:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 8:30:26 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 8:17:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2018 6:34 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 11:23:55 PM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
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>
> Il 11 luglio 2018 alle 0.01 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>
>
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> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 11:55:45 PM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
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>
> Il 9 luglio 2018 alle 22.46 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 7,
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 4:42:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>
>
> On 7/10/2018 3:01 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> *IIRC, the above quote is also in the Wiki article. It's not a coherent
> argument; not even an argument but an ASSERTION. Let's raise the level of
> discourse. It says we
> Il 11 luglio 2018 alle 0.01 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 11:55:45 PM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
>
> > >
> >
> > > > > Il 9 luglio 2018 alle 22.46 agrays...@gmail.com ha
> > scritto:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 8:28:51 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>
>
> On 7/10/2018 7:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2018 3:30 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> *More and more, Dirac's claim seems to be
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 8:24:38 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>
>
> On 7/10/2018 6:50 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 4:42:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2018 3:01 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> *IIRC, the above quote is also in the Wiki
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 8:17:14 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>
>
> On 7/10/2018 6:34 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On 7/10/2018 3:30 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> *More and more, Dirac's claim seems to be
On 7/10/2018 7:04 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
On 7/10/2018 3:30 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
*More and more, Dirac's claim seems to be an illusion that most
everyone has fallen in love with. Consider the
On 7/10/2018 6:50 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 4:42:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
On 7/10/2018 3:01 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
*IIRC, the above quote is also in the Wiki article. It's not a
coherent argument; not even an argument but an
On 7/10/2018 6:34 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
On 7/10/2018 3:30 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
*More and more, Dirac's claim seems to be an illusion that most
everyone has fallen in love with. Consider the
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2018 3:30 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> *More and more, Dirac's claim seems to be an illusion that most everyone
> has fallen in love with. Consider the example of a vector in a plane
> decomposed as a
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 4:42:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2018 3:01 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> *IIRC, the above quote is also in the Wiki article. It's not a coherent
> argument; not even an argument but an ASSERTION. Let's raise the level of
> discourse. It says we
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2018 3:30 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> *More and more, Dirac's claim seems to be an illusion that most everyone
> has fallen in love with. Consider the example of a vector in a plane
> decomposed as a
On 7/10/2018 3:30 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
*More and more, Dirac's claim seems to be an illusion that most
everyone has fallen in love with. Consider the example of a vector in
a plane decomposed as a superposition of unit vectors in some
orthogonal basis, Not an exact analogy to
On 7/10/2018 3:01 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
*IIRC, the above quote is also in the Wiki article. It's not a
coherent argument; not even an argument but an ASSERTION. Let's raise
the level of discourse. It says we always get a or b, no intermediate
result when the system is in a
On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 4:01:02 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 11:55:45 PM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
>>
>>
>> Il 9 luglio 2018 alle 22.46 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 4:48:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com
On Monday, July 9, 2018 at 11:55:45 PM UTC-6, scerir wrote:
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>
> Il 9 luglio 2018 alle 22.46 agrays...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>
>
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> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 4:48:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 12:19:23 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
> Il 9 luglio 2018 alle 22.46 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto:
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>
>
> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 4:48:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > >
> >
> > On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 12:19:23 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > >
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 4:48:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 12:19:23 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:22:03 PM
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 4:48:51 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
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> On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 12:19:23 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
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>> On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:22:03 PM
On Saturday, July 7, 2018 at 12:19:23 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:22:03 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/6/2018 11:44 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:22:03 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>>
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>> On 7/6/2018 11:44 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
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>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 5:14:34 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On
On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 1:22:03 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>
>
> On 7/6/2018 11:44 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 5:14:34 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>>
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>> On 7/5/2018 3:55 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 2:03:46 PM
On 7/6/2018 11:44 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 5:14:34 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
On 7/5/2018 3:55 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
On 7/5/2018 11:27 AM, agrays...@gmail.com
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 5:14:34 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>
>
> On 7/5/2018 3:55 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
>
> On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On 7/5/2018 11:27 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at
On 7/5/2018 3:55 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
On 7/5/2018 11:27 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 10:57:06 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
On 7/4/2018 1:57 AM, 'scerir' via Everything
On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
>
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On 7/5/2018 11:27 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 10:57:06 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
On 7/4/2018 1:57 AM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote:
*No. I am asserting that the INTERPRETATION of the superposition
of states is wrong. Although I have
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On 7/4/2018 1:57 AM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote:
*No. I am asserting that the INTERPRETATION of the superposition of
states is wrong. Although I have asked several times, no one here
seems able to offer a plausible justification for interpreting that a
system in a superposition of
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But its probability of not having decaded goes down exponentially with a
long half-life. And it would be in a superposition of decayed and
undecayed for a long time.
We don't observe |decayed>+|undecayed> or |decayed>-|undecayed> because
that would require an instrument for which that was an
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Hasn't the source had ample time
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On 6/23/2018 10:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
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Of course in theory any pure state can be taken to be a basis vector
and there is an operator for which that state is an eigenvector, i.e.
a basis in which it is not a superposition. But in
On 6/23/2018 9:20 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 6/23/2018 2:26 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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Of course in theory any pure state can be taken to be a basis vector
and there is an operator for which that state is an eigenvector, i.e.
a basis in which it is not a superposition. But in practice we don't
know what that basis is and in
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On 6/23/2018 2:26 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 9:21:05 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 7:52:08 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
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On 6/23/2018 12:02 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 6:25:38 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 6/22/2018 3:13 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
*I've been struggling lately with how to interpret a
superposition of states when it is ostensibly unintelligible,
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On 6/22/2018 3:13 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
*I've been struggling lately with how to interpret a superposition of
states when it is ostensibly unintelligible, e.g., a cat alive and
dead simultaneously, or a radioactive source decayed and undecayed
simultaneously. If we go back to the
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:13:37 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 11:18:25 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
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Is that calculated / postulated if the
The emergent nuclear interaction occurs on a time scale of 10^{-22}seconds.
The superposition of a decayed and nondecayed nucleus occurs in that time
before decoherence.
LC
On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 5:50:12 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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