Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:24:37 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Sep 2012, at 19:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:47:26 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal > > wrote: > > > > On 25 Sep 2012, at 19:06, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > >> On Tues

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Sep 2012, at 19:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:47:26 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Sep 2012, at 19:06, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:02:05 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Sep 2012, at 18:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 3:47:26 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Sep 2012, at 19:06, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:02:05 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 24 Sep 2012, at 18:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, September 24, 201

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Sep 2012, at 19:06, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:02:05 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Sep 2012, at 18:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, September 24, 2012 5:13:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Sep 2012, at 20:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:02:05 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Sep 2012, at 18:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Monday, September 24, 2012 5:13:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 23 Sep 2012, at 20:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > On Sunday, September

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Sep 2012, at 18:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, September 24, 2012 5:13:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Sep 2012, at 20:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:28:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 23 Sep 2012, at 15:05, Roger Clough wrot

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 24, 2012 5:13:11 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Sep 2012, at 20:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:28:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 23 Sep 2012, at 15:05, Roger Clough wrote: > > > > > Hi Evgenii Rudnyi

Re: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-24 Thread Roger Clough
ng content - From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-23, 11:03:39 Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism On 23.09.2012 15:05 Roger Clough said the following: > Hi Evgenii Rudnyi > > > Phenomena are the how physical processes appear to our

More possible definitions: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-24 Thread Roger Clough
rom: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-23, 08:57:53 Subject: Re: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism Hi Roger, My hypothesis is that the grouping of space and time together is a function of the exterior public realism view, not a primitive reality. The bigger picture is

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Sep 2012, at 20:11, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:28:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Sep 2012, at 15:05, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Evgenii Rudnyi > > > Phenomena are the how physical processes appear to our senses. > So they are appearances, not the pro

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:28:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Sep 2012, at 15:05, Roger Clough wrote: > > > Hi Evgenii Rudnyi > > > > > > Phenomena are the how physical processes appear to our senses. > > So they are appearances, not the processes themselves. > > But sci

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
Bruno and the appearances of those noumena to the senses he called "phenomena". the following content - From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-22, 09:26:55 Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism On 22.09.2012 14:09 Roger Clough said the following:

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.09.2012 15:05 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Phenomena are the how physical processes appear to our senses. So they are appearances, not the processes themselves. But scientific experiments and measurements are not made on the appearances, they are made on the processe

Re: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
he cosmos and consciousness and create entirely new ones that make more sense. Craig > the following content - > From: Evgenii Rudnyi > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-22, 09:26:55 > Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism > > > On 22.09.2

Re: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-23 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-22, 09:26:55 Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism On 22.09.2012 14:09 Roger Clough said the following: > Hi Evgenii Rudnyi > > Following Leibniz and Kant, what we see in the case of the table is

Re: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > - Receiving the following content - > From: Craig Weinberg > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-22, 10:53:02 > Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism &

Re: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-23 Thread Roger Clough
rom: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-22, 10:53:02 Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism On Saturday, September 22, 2012 5:49:49 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I would classify your items as follows: MENTAL (outside of spacetime) : All experienc

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
r Clough, rcl...@verizon.net > 9/22/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > = > - Receiving the following content - > From: Craig Weinberg &g

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
...@verizon.net 9/22/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-22, 07:29:27 Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism On 22.09.2012 11:48 Roger Clough

Re: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-22 Thread Roger Clough
7:29:27 Subject: Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism On 22.09.2012 11:48 Roger Clough said the following: > Hi Craig Weinberg > > I would classify your items as follows: > > MENTAL (outside of spacetime) : All experiences, dreams, delusions, > information, mathematics,

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.09.2012 11:48 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Craig Weinberg I would classify your items as follows: MENTAL (outside of spacetime) : All experiences, dreams, delusions, information, mathematics, logic, time, space, feelings, thoughts, ideas, numbers, life itself, God, monads, mathema

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/22/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-21, 10:58:11 Subject: Physics, Metaphysics, a

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-22 Thread Roger Clough
g Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-21, 10:58:11 Subject: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism I see all of our experiences, including dreams and delusions as being physical, but not necessarily ?eal?. To me, realism is a loose term describing the ?iddle of the road? range of expe

Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
I see all of our experiences, including dreams and delusions as being physical, but not necessarily “real”. To me, realism is a loose term describing the ‘middle of the road’ range of experiences in which bodies and minds are clearly separate. The contrasting ‘unreal’ ranges are the profoundl