Where do life's choices come from ?

Hi Jason Resch Where do the choices come from ? Seemingly from each individual monad. But these choices, at least in Leibniz's universe, have already been decided in the pre-established harmony. Since these choices have to be harmonious with the rest of the universe, in some sense they woul

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

Hi Jason Resch You ask "Is there any word for someone who rejects both theism and deism? " Answer: Perhaps an agnostic ? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following

Re: Re: fairness and sustainability

Marchal Hi Bruno By sin or evil I mean intentionally diminishing the life of others. If you doubt that that is not the way of the world, you must not watch the news. Evil is not an abstract word, it is very real, and it lives to whatever extent in each of us. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9

The sin of NDAA

Hi Bruno Marchal My feeling at the moment is to compare the sin of NDAA with that of collateral damage, and war itself, and fall back on the doctrine of just warfare. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything c

a bridge to nowhere

Hi Craig Weinberg In the philosophy of materialism consciousness is a bridge to nowhere, completely irrelevant and not worth talking about unless you have a subject, missing in materialism, who is conscious. Then consciousness is like electricity, trivial to talk about unless it is doing someth

Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

Hi Craig Weinberg I really don't know much about the John Birch Society, but googling it up, find that it was once falsely accused of being racist, no doubt due to over-zealous liberal hatred of conservatism. The KKK was very racist. As far as I know it's mostly dead. Good. A greater sin, IMHO

victims of faith

Hi John Clark What I find curious about atheists is that because one can prove neither that there is a god or not, both theism and atheism must rely on faith-- that their position is true. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him

Why we debate religion: two completely different types of truth.

Why we debate religion: two completely different and frequently confused types of truth. There are two completely different types of truth. The first is rational or objective or public truth, discussed in philosophies of "truth" and logic. The second is truth known only privately or subjective

Re: Simple proof that our intelligence transcends that of computers

On 08 Sep 2012, at 15:47, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: even though the paper actually doesn't even begin to adress the question. Which question? The paper mainly just formulate a question, shows how comp makes it possible to translate the question in math, and show that the genera

Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

On 08 Sep 2012, at 16:08, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Sep 2012, at 14:22, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Sep 2012, at 13:31, benjayk wrote: Quantum effects beyond individual brains (suggested by psi) can't be computed as well: No matter what I compute in

Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

I don't see sins, I merely prefer "wrongs" as in: not appropriate to circumstance, on which there is never a final ruling. Stauffenberg tried to murder Hitler; had he succeeded, would that be an example of "wrong" or "heroism" or some mixed bag, yet again? As a cowboy, I meet both liberal and cons

Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

On Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:25:57 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > I really don't know much about the John Birch Society, > "The John Birch Society has its roots in the 1950s when* it opposed the U.S.’s affirming the human rights principles of the United Nations*. It

Re: The poverty of computers

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 Jason Resch wrote: >You call yourself an atheist, > I do, but that's only because I also have the rather old fashioned belief that words should mean something. > which means you reject every notion of God, of any religion, does it not? > Apparently not. If we live in a wor

Re: victims of faith

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > > > What I find curious about atheists is that because > one can prove neither that there is a god or not, > both theism and atheism must rely on faith-- that > their position is true. > I can't prove God doesn't exist but I can prove He's s

Re: The All

On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 2:12 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Hi Evgenii, I will try to explain. An idea is an "abstract image", IMHO. For example, consider all possible objects that have some t

Re: Where do life's choices come from ?

On 9/9/2012 6:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Jason Resch Where do the choices come from ? Seemingly from each individual monad. But these choices, at least in Leibniz's universe, have already been decided in the pre-established harmony. Dear Roger, Could you explain to us in detail how ther

Re: The poverty of computers

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 9:37 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 Jason Resch wrote: > > >You call yourself an atheist, >> > > I do, but that's only because I also have the rather old fashioned belief > that words should mean something. > > > > which means you reject every notion of God,

Re: a bridge to nowhere

I agree completely. On Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:16:37 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > In the philosophy of materialism consciousness is > a bridge to nowhere, completely irrelevant and not worth > talking about unless you have a subject, missing > in materialism, who is

Re: Alice and Wittgenstein: Materialism, Functionalism, and Comp

Hi Roger, In my view, the "I" is how any particular subjective experience refers to itself. I agree, you can't have consciousness without the "I" orientation, although the ability to conceive of oneself may not be necessary for consciousness. Consciousness requires only an experience of being,

Re: The sin of NDAA

On 9/9/2012 7:08 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal My feeling at the moment is to compare the sin of NDAA with that of collateral damage, and war itself, and fall back on the doctrine of just warfare. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/9/2012 Leibniz would say

Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

Hi Craig, Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in control of our daily lives? On 9/9/2012 10:30 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 7:25:57 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg I really don't know much about the John Birch So

Re: The All

On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 2:12 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Hi Evgenii, I will try to explain. An idea is an "abstract image", IMHO. For example, c

Re: The All

On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:12:38 AM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > On 08.09.2012 14:37 Stephen P. King said the following: > > On 9/8/2012 6:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >> On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: > >>> On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >>

Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > ��� Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they > in control of our daily lives? > > > Hi Stephen, I agree, I was responding to what Roger said about liberals: "ironically and p

Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

On 9/9/2012 2:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, ��� Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they in control of our daily lives? Hi Stephen, I agree, I was responding to what Roger sai

Re: victims of faith

So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of silly idiots. This sense of superiority, combined with a voluntary repression of doubt certainly can susbstitute any lack of absolute meaning of life at least for some

Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

On Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:58:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 9/9/2012 2:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> Hi Craig, >> >> ��� Why are we even considering the thoughts of paranoids? Are they

Re: The poverty of computers

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > Omnipotent and omniscient may be inconsistent properties, which would > mean they don't exist anywhere. > Good, you're making progress and God just got demoted. *> Particle nature of light, and beginnings of matter-energy equivalence:* > Indi

Re: Re: Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

Craig: I am not against you, or your opinion in general, but PLEASE: forget about those probability figures. That 1:25million or so chance can be realized right here and right now - as the next case and believe me: if that negligible of all odds happens to you, you will find it MORE than acceptable

Re: The poverty of computers

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 4:06 PM, John Clark wrote: > because if I'm not a atheist nobody is. > > I think we agree that closed mindedness, in all its forms, in something we to be avoided. The devoutly religious can be close minded if they believe that their ideas, or their view of the world is t

Re: Racism ? How's that implied ?

On 9/9/2012 4:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 2:58:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/9/2012 2:21 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 9, 2012 1:41:37 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Craig, ��� Why are we even con

Re: being conscious in a completely atemporal mode

On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 07:24:02AM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote: > Dear Bruno, > > Could you explain a bit more what the experience of "being > conscious in a completely atemporal mode" was like? Where you aware > of any kind of change in your environment? Was one's internal > narrative (of ex

Re: being conscious in a completely atemporal mode

On 9/10/2012 12:28 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 07:24:02AM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, Could you explain a bit more what the experience of "being conscious in a completely atemporal mode" was like? Where you aware of any kind of change in your environme

Re: victims of faith

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few > enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of > silly idiots. Actually, almost everyone in the history of humanity has thought that 99.99% of all relig

Re: being conscious in a completely atemporal mode

Stephen, I don't know of this woman's account is anything like Bruno's experience or not. I believe she still experiences a stream of consciousness, but her visual sense is devoid of movement. She experiences only static frames: One patient, LM, described pouring a cup of tea or coffee difficul