Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 May 2013, at 19:07, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 16.05.2013 18:22 meekerdb said the following: On 5/16/2013 12:41 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I might be wrong and it might be interesting to look the archives through more carefully. Well, this was my impression that mental is physical

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 May 2013, at 15:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 16.05.2013 15:50 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 16 May 2013, at 08:00, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 15.05.2013 21:02 meekerdb said the following: On 5/15/2013 12:02 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 21:45 meekerdb said the

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 11:01, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2013 17:41 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-17 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:24:30AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: A, B, C, D, ... are conventional names for recognizable physical signals in the message we got. Can you decode it? It is the inverse of cryptography. The idea is that such a message can be understood by any patient enough (Löbian)

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 May 2013, at 11:58, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:24:30AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: A, B, C, D, ... are conventional names for recognizable physical signals in the message we got. Can you decode it? It is the inverse of cryptography. The idea is that such a

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.05.2013 21:02 meekerdb said the following: On 5/15/2013 12:02 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 21:45 meekerdb said the following: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following:

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-16 Thread meekerdb
On 5/15/2013 11:00 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 15.05.2013 21:02 meekerdb said the following: On 5/15/2013 12:02 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 21:45 meekerdb said the following: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.05.2013 08:22 meekerdb said the following: On 5/15/2013 11:00 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 15.05.2013 21:02 meekerdb said the following: On 5/15/2013 12:02 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 21:45 meekerdb said the following: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 May 2013, at 08:00, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 15.05.2013 21:02 meekerdb said the following: On 5/15/2013 12:02 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 21:45 meekerdb said the following: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.05.2013 15:50 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 16 May 2013, at 08:00, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 15.05.2013 21:02 meekerdb said the following: On 5/15/2013 12:02 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 21:45 meekerdb said the following: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-16 Thread meekerdb
On 5/16/2013 12:41 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 16.05.2013 08:22 meekerdb said the following: On 5/15/2013 11:00 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 15.05.2013 21:02 meekerdb said the following: On 5/15/2013 12:02 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 21:45 meekerdb said the following: On

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.05.2013 18:22 meekerdb said the following: On 5/16/2013 12:41 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I might be wrong and it might be interesting to look the archives through more carefully. Well, this was my impression that mental is physical was expressed quite often here. What is

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2013 21:45 meekerdb said the following: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... If you are monist, that distinction is

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2013 23:45 John Mikes said the following: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: ... * The difference between natural and artificial is ... artificial. And thus it is natural ... for creatures which are developing some ego. artificial is a human

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2013 21:29 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In the last case, a male bird catches a fish and gives it to the bride. Could we consider a fish as a sign in this case? I do not know what happens under comp but I personally see no

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 22:26, meekerdb wrote: On 5/14/2013 1:18 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 21:45, meekerdb wrote: They have the special status of being humans. Sure, like termites have the special status of being termites. And we could define a word termiticial to

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 23:45, John Mikes wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2013 17:41 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 May 2013, at 09:08, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 21:29 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In the last case, a male bird catches a fish and gives it to the bride. Could we consider a fish as a sign in this case? I do not

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-15 Thread meekerdb
On 5/15/2013 12:02 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 21:45 meekerdb said the following: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2013 17:41 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Recently I have listened to a nice talk about the search of extraterrestrial intelligence

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2013 17:41 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Recently I have listened to a nice talk

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2013 11:01 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... The author failed to make definitions for artificial and natural. Could you define these terms? The

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 14.05.2013 11:01 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... The author failed to make

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2013 13:39 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 14.05.2013 11:01 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural and artificial. So a computer both natural and artificial. Do you know things that are just natural and where the term artificial is not applicable? If yes, what is the difference in your

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural and artificial. So a computer both natural and artificial. Do you know things that are just natural and where the term artificial is not

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural and artificial. So a computer both natural and artificial. Do you know things that are

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread meekerdb
On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural and artificial. So a computer both natural and

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 May 2013, at 21:45, meekerdb wrote: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am interested in the difference between natural

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread meekerdb
On 5/14/2013 1:18 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 21:45, meekerdb wrote: On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-14 Thread John Mikes
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 13 May 2013, at 18:29, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.05.2013 17:41 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Recently I have listened to a nice talk

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Recently I have listened to a nice talk about the search of extraterrestrial intelligence http://embryogenesisexplained.com/2013/03/the-starivore-hypothesis.html The author has mentioned two fallacies (slides 6 and 7)

Re: Natural vs. Artificial

2013-05-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.05.2013 17:41 Telmo Menezes said the following: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Recently I have listened to a nice talk about the search of extraterrestrial intelligence http://embryogenesisexplained.com/2013/03/the-starivore-hypothesis.html