[FairfieldLife] Reasons (was Re: Forcing people to meditate)

2006-04-18 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: Many of us here believe in things for which there is as yet no scientific evidence or record. Some of us believe in past lives. Some even believe they have seen somebody levitate. Some of these same people, however, advocate that one trust one's own experience even

[FairfieldLife] Reasons (was Re: Forcing people to meditate)

2006-04-18 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: But I'm not sure on the basis of your precis here just how it's related to my post. Yeah, I thought of that after clicking Send. We talk a lot around here about the reasons behind actions and beliefs. What this article does is talk about how some reasons are just

[FairfieldLife] New England Education weekend

2006-04-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
This arrived via email recently. Check out the low cost of a WPA or residence course: The tour group of educators and scientists from the New England Conference on Children's Health and Education is coming to Antrim (New Hampshire, U.S.A.) during the weekend of May 5-7. Come and join us in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reincarnation

2006-04-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
If anyone does any sessions with this fellow Joerg, I'd be curious to hear how it goes. --- Rick Archer wrote: From a friend: Hi Rick, yeah, this re-incarnation stuff could go into FFL. I can make marks each time, when it should not... Thanx for answering. It really is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: --- Gillam wrote: --- Rick posted this announcement: This evening (holland time), full moon day, in the Global Family Chat, Raja Wilhelm declared that Holland is now invincible. Gee, I hope. [snip] If the Netherlands go without assassinations

[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives

[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- shempmcgurk wrote: Is Raja Wilhelm the one who does kidsha? (on another note: I can't believe I'm actually addressing the guy by his title!) You're doing it ironically. It's amusing. Is kidsha shaktipat for minors? Dyslexic darshan, in which the Raja takes energy from other people?

[FairfieldLife] Heresies

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
Is it just me, or does anyone else perceive Passover as an act of terrorism? It commemorates the slaughter of Egyptian children as a means to persuade Pharaoh to make a political decision. Perhaps the only way for the West to stand up to Islamist violence and still preserve the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: The decision Pharaoh was being forced to make (by God, not by the Jews themselves, according to the Hebrew Scriptures) was to let the Israelites leave Egypt, where Pharaoh had held them in slavery and slaughtered all *their* firstborn male children, and subsequently

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: Jews today don't celebrate the slaughter of the Egyptian children, they celebrate their escape from bondage and attempted genocide. Thanks. Point taken. And it's not as if Yahweh didn't escalate the pressure gradually, giving Pharaoh lots of chances to release the Jews

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: If you check the original story by Jesus,the context was someone trying to *goad* you into violence. Um, I checked it and got this: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: --- peterklutz wrote: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a recent statement: The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm. Israel should beable to withstand any conventional attack, but at what cost? No-one survives a nuclear

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jyouells2000 wrote: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: --- Gillam wrote: Apparently one big reason the U.S. is coming down so hard on Iran is that if we don't do it, Israel will, and then the world of Islam will *really* be pissed. Except that I've been reading that Israel doesn't think Iran is that much of a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies - correction

2006-04-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Gillam wrote: Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Should read, Jesus asked his Father to forgive the crucifiers. Of course, that may have been a specific instance, and not universally applicable. Jesus could be fickle. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)

2006-04-13 Thread Patrick Gillam
Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Superlatives and platitudes

2006-04-13 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Alex Stanley wrote: My wiring is such that I just don't enjoy going for a walk or bike ride just for the sake of doing it. That's what dogs are for. They plead with their eyes to go for a walk. And they're so overjoyed when you put on your boots that it's like little kids at Christmas.

[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)

2006-04-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My knowledge of grammar is almost completely by ear Same here. My mom had excellent grammar, and I picked it up from her. As a result, I never learned the rules. I could talk good without them. I would say Neither

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge

2006-04-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: it's fuckin' inappropriate for *any* judge *anywhere* to be able to compel *anyone* to practice *any* form of meditation or spiritual practice for *any* reason. Period. I don't believe compulsion enters in; I believe the parolee decides whether to participate in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge

2006-04-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- anon_couscous_ff wrote: On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises questions: can other judges offer prayer and bible study as an alternative. Or attandance in a stict muslim madras(sp)? Or as an apprentice in the Moonies' programs? Or attendance at a 12 part tantra

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge

2006-04-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- anon_couscous_ff wrote: On the surface -- it feels good. At a deeper level, it raises questions: can other judges offer prayer

[FairfieldLife] What to do to reclaim FFL? (was Re: On Bullshit and Crimes Against Logic)

2006-04-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: on 4/12/06 11:45 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Dave Barry's Mr. Language Person might call it a Nominative Predilection.) Huh?? http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/11484425.h tm My 12-year-old giggles audibly and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies slam TM Judge

2006-04-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Marek Reavis wrote: There are lots of orders and conditions given in any grant of probation and they frequently involve participation in quasi- religious programs like AA or even church conducted programs with very heavy Christian components (Teen Challenge, Rescue Mission, etc.). So

[FairfieldLife] Exercise (was Re: Superlatives and platitudes)

2006-04-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
I've often wondered why nobody makes an exercise bike workstation. Users could pedal away while working on the computer and talking on the phone. It would take a very innovative carmaker to offer an exercise bike in a vehicle, but what a great use of commuting time. The car would have to use

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: The wild parties were new to me. I used to enjoy meditator parties because there was a lot of energy and we didn't have to rely on alcohol or drugs to get loose. As a Minneapolis musican told us at an MIU dance, Most people dance to some of the songs. You guys dance

[FairfieldLife] Re: Digest Number 4658

2006-04-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: I'd be interested in knowing whether people who don't practice TM have the same results with diksha. And whether they're suffering side effects from having their kundalini unleashed. I've known meditators who get a shot of shaktipat and think it's great for a week,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Declaration of Loyalty to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

2006-04-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: Gillam wrote: That said, are these Srivastava parties marked by wanton abuse of drugs, or are they just an Indian version of the get-down-and-boogie nights I used to enjoy? I don't know the details. Maybe we should send a gate crasher. I nominate Kirk

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sh*cks!

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Nelson wrote: I once witnessed an electrician friend with his finger in a light socket that couldnt tell if the power was on or not when I turned the switch on. Do you recall whether he was he standing on a wooden ladder or wood floor? Yahoo! Groups

[FairfieldLife] Bad news day for Christian fundamentalists

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
The New York Times website has this great juxtaposition of stories right now: Gospel of Judas' Surfaces After 1,700 Years By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD and LAURIE GOODSTEIN The text gives new insights into the relationship of Jesus and the disciple who betrayed him, scholars reported today. Excerpts

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
This is almost as good as Public Radio's April Fool's stunt, a story about positive operas. One Man's Sad Goal? Make Opera Positive by Alice Furlaud All Things Considered, April 1, 2006 · On Cape Cod, an impresario seeks rewrites of the world's great tragic operas. He wants to give them a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Offspring: 'Here Comes The Sons' 2006 Tour To Launch

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: So this was a spoof? Reference? Rick, I so hoped it was for real that I googled it to learn more, and came up dry. And note the April 1st reference at the end of the article. The tour kicks off at Irving Plaza in New York City on April 1st, 2006. To subscribe,

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-29 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- shempmcgurk wrote: --- bob_brigante wrote: A memo sent from MUM to FX resulted in that cable channel playing Lynch's least florid film, The Straight Story, (3 stars) from 2 to 4 AM tonight. Couldn't stand it. Saw about 20 minutes of it and then returned the video. I can

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM memo on Lynch weekend

2006-03-29 Thread Patrick Gillam
Gillam wrote: By the way, if any of you living in Fairfield have yet to canoe the Upper Iowa river, I highly recommend it. Go this spring, when the water is highest. The drive there is beautiful -- real Grand Wood country. (Note: the Upper Iowa river flows through northeast Iowa, as

[FairfieldLife] Re: A little bit about Bevan

2006-03-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: He gets to take a good portion of the heat for MMY's harsher edicts and its a very stressful place to be and it shows. It would be interesting to hear a roomful of bigwigs talk about their coping mechanisms for working with MMY. Does Bevan's approach parallel John

[FairfieldLife] Gays at MIU (was Re: Lynch Day)

2006-03-26 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- markmeredith2002 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff wrote: I had some a friend who was about half way through his Masters degree at MIU who got kicked off the program and off campus when someone made it a point to let the administration know he was gay. This was in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Superheros organized by religion

2006-03-26 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: Oh come on, Avatsara, the Flying One from the 9th mandala comic book they used to read after program--I thought that was our superhero! Long bearded guy with a Sanskrit a on his silk gown, poured soma thru peoples crown chakras and had a cow as his side kick? A teenage

[FairfieldLife] Re: Phase to say when someone is dying

2006-03-22 Thread Patrick Gillam
From a friend. Anyone know the answer to this?: I've heard that there is some phrase that helps someone passing on.that is to be whispered to them as they pass. Do you know of this? I don't know of a key phrase, but there are traditions that demand a few days of observances by

[FairfieldLife] Re: Global Family Chat March 18th

2006-03-20 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- bbrigante wrote: (Courtesy of Graeme Lodge, National Leader of New Zealand) Raja Bob Wynn: 1800 sidhas here at Fairfield. More than Super Radiance number already, so instantly we can achieve goal. All 1800 have not been doing program together. Are all those 1,800 eligible for

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi's Recent Interviews'

2006-03-18 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Robert Gimbel wrote: Maharishi predicted that within six months or so, the effect would become visible to the press. Boy, does this ˆ sound familiar. Robert, please do me a favor and mark your calendar for September 18, 2006, at which time I'd like you to report the good news in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mass. not ready for Kingsley's house?

2006-03-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: as one of the Sikhs once told a friend of mine: people are born into power and affluence by virtue of their past lives. I've accepted this belief for many years, and for all I know it's true. But even if it is, there could be many other reasons why (1) a person is able

[FairfieldLife] Enlightened Sentencing Project article

2006-03-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
from The Riverfront Times http://tinyurl.com/ejsah Peace and Punishment St. Louis judges turn to Transcendental Meditation to rehab convicted felons By Kristen Hinman Published Mar 8, 2006 Keith Mason used to begin every day with a dime bag of marijuana. Nowadays, the north St. Louis man

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jim_flanegin wrote: My take on why we project a perfect world into the past or future is our direct mental translation of the imperfection, or the space one feels right now, into time. In other words, instead of dealing with the discord or spatial disconnect that we feel presently, it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Notice the swastika

2006-03-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
I thought the Nazis reversed the direction, too, but when I compared the swastika in my picture of Guru Dev to that of the Nazi's, the only difference was that the Nazi's rotated theirs 45 degrees. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] History of Violence (was Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case)

2006-03-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- shempmcgurk wrote: A history of violence. Which, by the way, was robbed at the Academy Awards. It should have, at the least, been nominated for several Oscars, including Best Picture. Rising sign of the Age of Englightenment: used to be, revenge movies like Billy Jack allowed us to

[FairfieldLife] History of Violence (was Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case)

2006-03-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- shempmcgurk wrote: I watch -- and judge movies -- by how much I enjoy them, not by analyzing them for their political correctness. What did you like most about A History of Violence? Do you think William Hurt should have won the best supporting actor award?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6K hog lot on Jeff County borderline

2006-03-13 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ottumwacourier.com/local/local_story_069231917.html Here's a new kind of farm that people might like: wind farms. Upstate New York Farms Begin Raising New Crop: Electricity From Windmills By ANTHONY DePALMA

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the foundation for questioning

2006-03-11 Thread Patrick Gillam
Maharishi's commentary says: This acceptance of the teacher is actually a surrender to the unbounded Truth; it invites the unbounded to shine forth through the teacher. Instead of the teacher, read life. This acceptance of life is actually a surrender to the unbounded Truth; it invites the

[FairfieldLife] Re: PVTM = ananta-samaapatti??

2006-03-10 Thread Patrick Gillam
Tom T: From Alistair Shearer YS II 46. The physical postures should be steady and comfortable. YS II 47. They are mastered when all effort is relaxed and the mind is absorbed in the infinite. This reminds me of the way my carriage changes when I ask, Who am I? My posture improves and my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Support for Mike Scozzari's court case

2006-03-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: Mike Scozzari wrote: Imagine getting a college degree and 30 years later the university asks you to return it! IMagine being a former teacher affiliated with a University and you continue to claim that you are a professor at that university after you lose

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?

2006-03-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: --even faster is viewing the poison from a non-dual state, free of opposites and polarities: whatever arises self liberates itself, by itself.: everything is just the play of inseparable awareness. How would this apply to, say, dark chocolate? That's my poison these

[FairfieldLife] Re: Support for Mike Scozzari's court case

2006-03-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jyouells2000 wrote: What surprises me is that no Florida liscensed attorney who is familiar with the TMO has offered to represent Mike. Like, pro bono? I'm not surprised if a professional capable of earning good money -- who probably *needs* to earn a lot just to keep the kids in

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?

2006-03-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: In this case the poison is more metaphorical than actual. Ah. There's physical reality, and there are the beliefs about it. Like that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?

2006-03-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: Gillam wrote: --- Vaj wrote: In this case the poison is more metaphorical than actual. Ah. There's physical reality, and there are the beliefs about it. Like that? I'm sorry, I'm not sure I follow you. Are you asking if the metaphor extends to the physical?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?

2006-03-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: snip The arts are an especially rich source of sweet suffering. Or maybe I'm listening to too much opera, and seeing too many heavy movies

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?

2006-03-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: In many if not most cases, great art finds a way to transform or transcend the suffering it deals with, to make it positive; that's why it's so compelling. Amen. I've observed two extremes in art; one you might call the pure beauty school and one you might call the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
somebody wrote: Did you do TM before you tried the other techniques? If yes, might this have helped your results? gullible fool: Yes, I did TM for twenty years before I got involved with any other techniques. ... I'm sure it helped my results, but there are students in their

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- flanegin wrote: What are the techniques that you found are stronger than TM?- and I ask purely out of curiousity, not challenge...Thanks Yeah, I wondered about this, too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: Amma is adamant that money should not be charged for meditation instruction - even in a corporate setting. Do you know the rationale, Rick? An aside about the attitude toward paying for education: In the wider Waldorf world, the ideal is that teachers give from a

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: From the Vipassana Meditation Website (http://www.dhamma.org/): The technique of Vipassana Meditation is taught at ten-day residential courses during which participants learn the basics of the method, and practice sufficiently to experience its beneficial results.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Song spoofs Ru biz in Fairfield

2006-03-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
For sale at the iTunes Music Store for 99¢. It bought it to go along with Marshalltown, a song I discovered about my home town by a band called Modern Life Is War. It has a little different feel and a little different lyric. And I say to all the young wild ones...for you... yeah on your way

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- hgiammarco wrote: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help? Maharishi sets the prices, and in his eyes, it's worth it. Maharishi promises great things from the regular practice of TM. As someone noted in an intro lecture I once gave, If TM does half the things you say it will,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness

2006-03-03 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: Is that sense of easy and simple ever misleading? I'm thinking of MMY, and wondering whether that's why he assumed most everyone in the world would take to TM as soon as they heard about it, that governments would leap at it, and so on. It's extremely common for

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness

2006-03-03 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: dying is easier than I thought :-) Now there's an ability that may come in handy someday. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness

2006-03-03 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: Gillam wrote: --- Vaj wrote: dying is easier than I thought :-) Now there's an ability that may come in handy someday. All the better reason to practice dying now :-). I've pursued enlightenment in hopes it would make life easier. Funny that its ultimate payoff

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-03 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: In the 80's, I was invited by three close friends--an old TM teacher, an MIU grad and a Sidha, to confront Robin Woodsworth Carlsen who was then living in an apartment in Washington DC. It was actually my first time at debunking a claim of enlightenment So Vaj, you've

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness

2006-03-03 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- tom traynor wrote: What ever they attempt is easy and simple as it just flows. How it unfolds is not revelant. So I may need to change my belief that Maharishi is acting the way any entrepreneur would, expecting his products and services to be lapped up by a hungry public. If MMY were

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness

2006-03-03 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: --- Gillam wrote: --- tom traynor wrote: What ever they attempt is easy and simple as it just flows. How it unfolds is not revelant. So I may need to change my belief that Maharishi is acting the way any entrepreneur would, expecting his products and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness

2006-03-02 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jim_flanegin wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: Seems to me that enlightenment is a matter of seeing things clearly. It doesn't mean you're Superman. That's as good and elegant a definition as I've heard-- seeing things clearly. Plain and simple. To bring up Suzanne Segal again,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness..

2006-03-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: Just curious Rick if you would elaborate on the Robin Carlson legacy. Thanks It's quite a story, and I don't have time to tell it at length, but about 25 years ago Canadian Governor Robin Carlson proclaimed that he was enlightened, set

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Cosmic Consciousness...

2006-02-28 Thread Patrick Gillam
We've had a half-dozen contributors to this list who profess to be functioning from Brahman. I've read that the larger Fairfield community has a dozen or so who've awakened. MUM says it's doing research on a dozen or so people in CC. I get the impression that seven lifetimes stuff may apply

[FairfieldLife] Re: Han måste vara en siddha!

2006-02-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- cardemaister wrote: Swedish goal-keeper Henrik Lundkvist must be a TMO-recertified siddha: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,784526,00.html Briefly, what's it say? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: --- anonyff wrote: --- authfriend wrote: Camille Paglia is bullshit. Judy, this post seems very unlike you, why do you say this? Uh, because I think she's bullshit? (Not sure why it seems unlike me.) I haven't analyzed your posts, Judy, but I would

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: in this case I was responding to a post which stated flatly that Paglia had said rape was about sex, no further argument, so a flatly stated response seemed appropriate. Oh yeah, it was perfect. And your rationale for not elaborating makes utter sense. Thanks. (Love

[FairfieldLife] Grammar (was Re: Unusual laws)

2006-02-26 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- feste37 wrote: btw, your admirable attempt to hold the line on lie rather than lay is I fear doomed to failure. The battle has been lost and I see no way of reversing it. I am concentrating my efforts these days on off of, which I regard as an abomination on a par with . . . no,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-26 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What a family. And what a great book from which to take instruction about family values and sexual mores! Leviticus deals with the rest at a later place in the Bible as society evolves. Cite some passages and I'll look them

[FairfieldLife] Re: Speaking of homosexuality...

2006-02-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- MDixon6569 wrote: The men of Sodom tried to break into Lot's home to rape the guests and Angels blinded the men of Sodom to make their escape along with Lot's family. But not before Lot offers his daughters to the mob as an appeasement: See now, I have two virgin daughters.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Unusual laws

2006-02-24 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: Why are so many women into giving oral sex? You mean unreciprocated oral sex? As opposed to the serial giving and receiving of pleasure? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Value of Tradition

2006-02-22 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: For other lifestreams the limo and the chariot get left in the garage and Brahman shows up with the bridle, bit, saddle, spurs and whips and you can guess who is the steed. Let's leave the kink at home, Tom, or we'll be back on the adults only

[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

2006-02-22 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: People who are incarnating among these desert peoples are the same genetic descendents of peoples who survived mass starvation after the last ice age. ... Vaj, what are your sources for these observations? I know Steiner and Spengler made sweeping generalizations about

[FairfieldLife] Re: First time on two feet

2006-02-21 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: I heard that MMY was once asked why Muslims, in general, were always so angry. He replied by saying that if it was your first time on two feet, you'd be angry too. Wow. A Hindu has a low opinion of Muslims. Who'd a thunk it? What really impresses me are how many layers of

[FairfieldLife] Brahman descriptions (was Re: The Value of Tradition)

2006-02-21 Thread Patrick Gillam
I thought these were good and valiant attempts to get across what Brahman's like. I kept thinking about them but couldn't recall exactly what they said, so I had to seek them out. As long as I've found them, I might as well post them again. --- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles angels on earth

2006-02-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- bbrigante wrote: I never liked Chopra, but if he had been able to control his arrogance and market TM, he would have been OK In the early '90s, when I was active at the St. Louis TM Center, about the only thing that brought people in to learn was a two-paragraph plug for TM in one of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Papji Quote

2006-02-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: when we love God we think he is an object. He is the subject. ... About 20 years ago, after doing a rigorous physical purification, I started having the loud and persistent thought, I love you. I've been perplexed ever since as to who's loving whom. Is it my small self

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Value of Tradition

2006-02-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: I never think of such inter- actions with teachers in terms of darshan or transmission; it's not as if they were really *doing* anything. All that was necessary was to be in their presence and then recognition took over. In them I could *recognize* attributes of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual practice after awakening: why?

2006-02-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: Still do TM... How come, Jim? What's in it for you? Not long ago someone -- I think Alex Stanley -- pointed out how great meditation must be in enlightenment. What I wrote about

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Value of Tradition

2006-02-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: Isn't that, after all, AnonAkashaGabbyMoose's issue? He wants the experiences of enlighten- ment that people have had to fit into the descriptions of them he has heard over the years. That's not what I picked up from those posts. I thought he was pointing out that

[FairfieldLife] Spiritual practice after awakening: why?

2006-02-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jim_flanegin wrote: Still do TM... How come, Jim? What's in it for you? Not long ago someone -- I think Alex Stanley -- pointed out how great meditation must be in enlightenment. Is that the motivator? These queries are all part of a larger question of how people's spiritual practices

[FairfieldLife] was[Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips]- sidhis practice

2006-02-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Jamshad Ghanbar wrote: My friends whom are levitating here are Sufis and Dervishes who use special Zekr in group and then after some time of playing Daff and dancing, all together start floating while shouting out a very loud Zekr. Sweet Jesus, I've found my next spiritual path.

[FairfieldLife] Sulemain (was Charlie Lutes)

2006-02-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Jamshad Ghanbar wrote: Solaiman was a prophet who had many powers. One of them was the ability to fly. Whether or not he could fly, he was certainly a capable guy. http://tinyurl.com/cu9ws I had heard of Sulemain the Magnificent, so I googled him and found this short summary which

[FairfieldLife] Re: CNN web article about Maharishi

2006-02-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
Here's that sleep story again. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/14/maharishi.yoga.ap/ Sleeping only two or three hours a day, ... 'He runs several shifts of us into the ground,' said American John Hagelin, a physicist who interprets Maharishi's thoughts into science-based language that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes in print audios clips

2006-02-13 Thread Patrick Gillam
Vincent J. Daczynski devotes his site to amazing abilities much as Yogananda devoted his autobiography to anecdotes of the realized. At one time, such stories inspired me because I felt I would achieve such things myself. Now my attitude seems to have changed. Now I'm not too keen on hearing

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang

2006-02-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: I heard sold on as opposed to sold out. You obviously have celestial hearing, which divines the intention of what's spoken. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Slang

2006-02-11 Thread Patrick Gillam
I was always uncomfortable using the phrase sold out to mean committed. Susan is sold out to the movement was a positive assessment of Susan's attitude, whereas in normal speech, to sell out means one has abandoned one's values. Freudian, no? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: more on poverty, should anyone be interested

2006-02-11 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: There are programs that let people go to the dentist. Medicare covers dental care. If anything there are more people who have medicare/medicaid accessing healthcare than you are aware. Medicare reimburses for less than it costs to provide the services. Hence, Medicare

[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- bbrigante wrote: I never saw the head cook extinguish his cigarette by any means other than throwing it in the root beer tank In the case of AW root beer, that might *help* the flavor. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are there many gods?

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- bbrigante wrote: http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Jan/wnews_25jan2006_128.ram MMY answers at minute 34 Wow. It's been a while since I've seen Bevan or heard Maharishi. Kind of a blast from the past. Bevan looks fine except for the dark skin around his eyes. The rapid blinking suggested

[FairfieldLife] Re: Are there many gods?

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: I always liked Joseph Campbell's term for the structure of the Hindu pantheon -- 'polypantheism.' He defined it as, Many gods, all of whom are the boss. And it's true. Who's in charge depends entirely on which scripture and which verse you happen to be reading.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos of Brahmastan/ Girish Varma

2006-02-10 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- wayback71 wrote: http://www.maharishi.org.ua/india2006/ who is Girish Varma, exactly? What does he do in the TMO? His picture is hung on the wall in the background of a few photos, and his picture is the same size as and right next to that of Maharishi. I noticed that, too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: How long was MMY at university?

2006-02-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: Once I found out the claims that [MMY] only slept a couple of hours a day were a lie, why should I believe anything else? Rick, you worked around Maharishi. What were his sleep patterns? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern

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