date:20060807

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.
> 
> I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.
> 
> One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in this year 2006 why 
> would she be so surprised that they are acting like this?  This mind 
> says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.
> 
> The other mind is angry that the movement does not respect its basic 
> tenet that you can practise any religion and still practise TM...and 
> visiting saints and doing all these other techniques are 
> religions...and as long as the people in the dome do the dome 
> practise, what's the harm?

Well, y'know, dome practice is more than TM and the deal with TM doesn't hold 
with the TM-
sidhis, and it was made clear that that was the case when you first learned or 
it was clear 
when *I* first learned.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fairfield Domes/Belong To Everyone'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I remember when the domes were built;
>   The finest wood from Oregon was cut;
>   Hundreds of dedicated workers trudged in the cold winter mud;
>   Beam by beam it took shape;
>
>   Maharishi came to dedicate the men's dome, the first dome;
>   When it was almost completed;
>   It was the dead of an Iowan winter and very cold and windy;
>   As we waited for Maharishi to leave frat 114, and bless the dome.
>   The pundits were shivering in the crisp, cold air, by the time Maharishi 
> finally showed.
>   He blessed the dome for all, and for all generations to come.
>
>   I'm not sure how a handful of people got control of the dome;
>   And decided to keep certain people out.
>   I always thought the TM movement's intention was to create Unity.
>   This doesn't make sense;
>   When the intention of the movement change to:
>   To elitism, and separatism?
>   R.G.

The lesser seperation is the banning of the followers of the other gurus. The 
greater 
separation is that the followers of theother gurus are pretending to still 
practice MMY's 
techniques.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi Rick Archer,,, Past Life Regression.???

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > I had a roommate once years ago who was very into
> > New Age stuff, particularly reincarnation.  She went
> > weekly to consult a spiritualist and would come home
> > bursting to share with me the past lives the
> > spiritualist had told her about--a court fool to 
> > Henry IV, a slave girl of Cleopatra, the father of
> > Patrick Henry, one of Walt Whitman's lovers (male),
> > etc., etc.
> > 
> > One day I asked her, "Did she tell you about your
> > life as Benjamin Franklin's illegitimate daughter?"
> > 
> > Her jaw dropped.  "No, she didn't," she said. "I
> > wonder
> > why not?  Maybe she didn't want me to know about
> > that
> > one for some reason.  I'll have to ask her next
> > time."
> 
> I can only see the value of farting around with past
> lives is not in the intellectual understanding of
> them, but the unstressing of samskaras that they have
> created and that are carried on in the chitta. Other
> than that, who cares.
>

New translation of the relevant Yoga Sutra verse: by the time they are 
perfected in the 
relative, they are obstacles to samadhi...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> 
> 
> FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> 
> Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just following 
> orders'.
> Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> regime, or something not good.
> No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> Why, is the only question to ask? why?
>

The screening process worked quite well in her case...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you 
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection

Er, a total nutcase, IMHO.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Fairfield Domes/Belong To Everyone'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I remember when the domes were built;
>   The finest wood from Oregon was cut;
>   Hundreds of dedicated workers trudged in the cold winter mud;
>   Beam by beam it took shape;
>
>   Maharishi came to dedicate the men's dome, the first dome;
>   When it was almost completed;
>   It was the dead of an Iowan winter and very cold and windy;
>   As we waited for Maharishi to leave frat 114, and bless the dome.
>   The pundits were shivering in the crisp, cold air, by the time 
Maharishi finally showed.
>   He blessed the dome for all, and for all generations to come.
>
>   I'm not sure how a handful of people got control of the dome;
>   And decided to keep certain people out.
>   I always thought the TM movement's intention was to create Unity.
>   This doesn't make sense;
>   When the intention of the movement change to:
>   To elitism, and separatism?


...oh, around 1972...



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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

Thank you for reproducing it, Robert.

I read the entire thing and I am of two minds.

One says that, hey, that's the Movement and in this year 2006 why 
would she be so surprised that they are acting like this?  This mind 
says, yes, she SHOULD have lied.

The other mind is angry that the movement does not respect its basic 
tenet that you can practise any religion and still practise TM...and 
visiting saints and doing all these other techniques are 
religions...and as long as the people in the dome do the dome 
practise, what's the harm?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone 
you
> > > think
> > > may benefit from it.
> > > All Love,
> > > Shiva Ma
> > > 
> > > My Dome rejection
> > > 
> > > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > > 
> > > Reading Post # 108732
> was really disturbing;
> > > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> > following 
> > > orders'.
> > > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a 
Facist 
> > > regime, or something not good.
> > > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> > >
> ***I can't get no satisfaction 
> 
> post # 108732 has no letter in it.
> 
> 
> ***> Sorry the post # was 108731, but here it is:
> "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan  
> 
> 
> 
> *** FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> 
> Aug 2 (5 days ago)
> 
> Dear John,
> I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble getting accepted at 
the
> dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been faced with one 
of
> the most difficult choices of my life. John will you PLEASE share
> this
> letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE REAL TRUTH" about
> what has happened in Fairfield. Please read everything I have 
written
> in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest and as "TRUTHFUL"
> as
> I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this e-mail, that may
> benefit EVERYONE!
> 
> When I applied for the course, I was told I would need more time to
> be
> processed. I knew I probably would not get an immediate acceptance,
> because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I practiced any
> techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India with a GREAT 
saint
> from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the man 
questioning
> me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to offer, and that
> what I learned in private, I kept private. I had asked the question
> to
> over 600 people that I initiated, back in the 
seventies: "Everything
> we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?" This answer
> seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me, yet I was not
> accepted then for the dome.
> 
> This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my sister and
> brother-in law and several friends at a birthday party, that I 
should
> apply now for the dome, because they were accepting EVERYONE!
> Regardless of past associations with saints or other techniques, I
> was
> told EVERYONE was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All sins would be
> forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my heart. I have
> never
> considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine Beings a sin. I
> have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many saints over the
> last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as MAHARISHI. Each
> ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE LOVE, RESPECT 
and
> ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had given me in the
> past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!! Yet Maharishi became
> inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at The 7000 Course 
in
> 1983. My heart was longing for him, So I felt that one by one He
> started sending different saints to BLESS ME!!! Over the years, I
> have received the GRACE and BLESSINGS from over 15 different saints
> that have visited Fairfield since 1997. In 1994 my first GREAT
> BLESSING was from MOTHER MEERA, in Germany. She changed my life
> forever... I have had the GREAT fortune of traveling with many of
> these DIVINE BEINGS. I am so GRATEFUL for the Love and Grace I have
> been given from these PURE DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS of Gods and
> Goddess's.
> 
> I want to offer my HUMBLEST GRATITUDE to Maharishi for always
> remaining in my HEART of HEARTS, since November 19, 1971. I will be
> in
> HIS ETERNAL DEBT for the GRACE

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'The Fairfield Domes/Belong To Everyone'

2006-08-07 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] 'The Fairfield Domes/Belong To Everyone'





on 8/7/06 11:59 PM, Robert Gimbel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Maharishi came to dedicate the men's dome, the first dome;
  
When it was almost completed;
  
It was the dead of an Iowan winter and very cold and windy;
  
As we waited for Maharishi to leave frat 114, and bless the dome.
  
The pundits were shivering in the crisp, cold air, by the time Maharishi finally showed.
  
SSRS was one of those pundits. He wasn’t shivering though, because he had a heater blowing on him.


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I remember when the domes were built;  The finest wood from Oregon was cut;  Hundreds of dedicated workers trudged in the cold winter mud;  Beam by beam it took shape;     Maharishi came to dedicate the men's dome, the first dome;  When it was almost completed;  It was the dead of an Iowan winter and very cold and windy;  As we waited for Maharishi to leave frat 114, and bless the dome.  The pundits were shivering in the crisp, cold air, by the time Maharishi finally showed.  He blessed the dome for all, and for all generations to come.     I'm not sure how a handful of people got control of the dome;  And decided to keep certain people
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi Rick Archer,,, Past Life Regression.???

2006-08-07 Thread authfriend

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> 
> 
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > I had a roommate once years ago who was very into
> > New Age stuff, particularly reincarnation.  She went
> > weekly to consult a spiritualist and would come home
> > bursting to share with me the past lives the
> > spiritualist had told her about--a court fool to 
> > Henry IV, a slave girl of Cleopatra, the father of
> > Patrick Henry, one of Walt Whitman's lovers (male),
> > etc., etc.
> > 
> > One day I asked her, "Did she tell you about your
> > life as Benjamin Franklin's illegitimate daughter?"
> > 
> > Her jaw dropped.  "No, she didn't," she said. "I
> > wonder
> > why not?  Maybe she didn't want me to know about
> > that
> > one for some reason.  I'll have to ask her next
> > time."
> 
> I can only see the value of farting around with past
> lives is not in the intellectual understanding of
> them, but the unstressing of samskaras that they have
> created and that are carried on in the chitta. Other
> than that, who cares.

Seems to me it doesn't make much sense to go looking
for 'em--especially through someone else's eyes!--but
if they come looking for you, it's probably a good
idea to at least give 'em a chance to tell you
something of value.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi Rick Archer,,, Past Life Regression.???

2006-08-07 Thread Peter

--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I had a roommate once years ago who was very into
> New Age stuff, particularly reincarnation.  She went
> weekly to consult a spiritualist and would come home
> bursting to share with me the past lives the
> spiritualist had told her about--a court fool to 
> Henry IV, a slave girl of Cleopatra, the father of
> Patrick Henry, one of Walt Whitman's lovers (male),
> etc., etc.
> 
> One day I asked her, "Did she tell you about your
> life as Benjamin Franklin's illegitimate daughter?"
> 
> Her jaw dropped.  "No, she didn't," she said. "I
> wonder
> why not?  Maybe she didn't want me to know about
> that
> one for some reason.  I'll have to ask her next
> time."

I can only see the value of farting around with past
lives is not in the intellectual understanding of
them, but the unstressing of samskaras that they have
created and that are carried on in the chitta. Other
than that, who cares.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > > > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone 
> you
> > > > think
> > > > may benefit from it.
> > > > All Love,
> > > > Shiva Ma
> > > > 
> > > > My Dome rejection
> > > > 
> > > > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > > > 
> > > > Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> > > > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > > > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> > > following 
> > > > orders'.
> > > > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > > > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a 
> Facist 
> > > > regime, or something not good.
> > > > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > > > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > > > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> > > >
> > > Her tiny little ego is just crying out to continue its illusion 
> > > of 'staying alive', in the face of its pending annihilation. 
Not 
> a 
> > > bad thing really..
> > .
> > >rephrase the above: "The TMO ego is just crying out to continue 
> its 
> > illusion of "staying alive" in the face of its pending 
> annihilation.  
> > Not a bad thing, really..."
> > Rest in Peace, TMO...it's about time!...upon its well-deserved 
> > demise, such people (as the contributor in question) will feel no 
> > misgivings since attachments to the TMO...(and whatever entities 
> that 
> > entails: the dome, MMY, Bevan, tweaked statistics, 
dishonesty...), 
> > will conveniently no longer exist. Poof! Cheshire cat gone. 
> > abilsincludilias the conpeo0pl final
> >
> 
> and so the TMO's 'transgressions' grow stronger in your awareness, 
> eh? Exactly the opposite of what you wanted...

***Well, you could look at it another way:
It could just be the 'ego's last stand',
In other words, when something is about to fall, or end;
It comes out almost exagerrated;
So, this exaggerated behaviour, on both the woman's part,
who wrote the letter;
And the exagerrated response from the representative of the movement 
sounds so absurd, that it will 'fall under it's own weight', so to 
speak;
Whenever a behavior pattern shifts, or any pattern for that matter;
it seems to rear it's ugly head, greater than ever;
And then seems to just collapse under it's own falsity, exposed.
So, perhaps, this is what is happening not just here;
In this example of the movement, and the politics of the movement.
But in the politics,and political leadership, in all systems around 
the world.
So, interesting, and transformation times we live in.
But the main thing is:
Not to be afraid to challenge this old power structure;
As it appears weak and ready to fall.
R.G.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > 
> > 
> > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> > think
> > may benefit from it.
> > All Love,
> > Shiva Ma
> > 
> > My Dome rejection
> > 
> > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > 
> > Reading Post # 108732
was really disturbing;
> > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> following 
> > orders'.
> > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> > regime, or something not good.
> > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> >
***I can't get no satisfaction 

post # 108732 has no letter in it.

***> Sorry the post # was 108731, but here it is:
"My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan  

*** FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
think
may benefit from it.
All Love,
Shiva Ma

My Dome rejection

Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin

Aug 2 (5 days ago)

Dear John,
I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble getting accepted at the
dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been faced with one of
the most difficult choices of my life. John will you PLEASE share
this
letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE REAL TRUTH" about
what has happened in Fairfield. Please read everything I have written
in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest and as "TRUTHFUL"
as
I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this e-mail, that may
benefit EVERYONE!

When I applied for the course, I was told I would need more time to
be
processed. I knew I probably would not get an immediate acceptance,
because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I practiced any
techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India with a GREAT saint
from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the man questioning
me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to offer, and that
what I learned in private, I kept private. I had asked the question
to
over 600 people that I initiated, back in the seventies: "Everything
we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?" This answer
seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me, yet I was not
accepted then for the dome.

This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my sister and
brother-in law and several friends at a birthday party, that I should
apply now for the dome, because they were accepting EVERYONE!
Regardless of past associations with saints or other techniques, I
was
told EVERYONE was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All sins would be
forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my heart. I have
never
considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine Beings a sin. I
have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many saints over the
last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as MAHARISHI. Each
ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE LOVE, RESPECT and
ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had given me in the
past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!! Yet Maharishi became
inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at The 7000 Course in
1983. My heart was longing for him, So I felt that one by one He
started sending different saints to BLESS ME!!! Over the years, I
have received the GRACE and BLESSINGS from over 15 different saints
that have visited Fairfield since 1997. In 1994 my first GREAT
BLESSING was from MOTHER MEERA, in Germany. She changed my life
forever... I have had the GREAT fortune of traveling with many of
these DIVINE BEINGS. I am so GRATEFUL for the Love and Grace I have
been given from these PURE DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS of Gods and
Goddess's.

I want to offer my HUMBLEST GRATITUDE to Maharishi for always
remaining in my HEART of HEARTS, since November 19, 1971. I will be
in
HIS ETERNAL DEBT for the GRACE HE SHOWERED upon me over and over
again
throughout all these years. JAI GURU DEV MAHARISHI! I LOVE YOU SO
MUCH.

At the course office, Jeff Cohen was so sweet and kind to me on the
phone, going over the guidelines for acceptance for the course.
However the words he used when telling me what I needed to do, to get
my badge, still penetrate me like millions of daggers in my HEART. I
have not been able to shake them. {Please ask Maharishi to help me
with this.} He said I would be able to get my badge if: "I SEVERED
any connection I had with any saints and SEVERED the use of any
techniques that they had taught me, and that I would NEVER establish
a
connection with them again or practice any other techniques other
than
Maharishi's, EVER AGAIN. And that I had to put all of this in
writing,
promising that I would do this. For GOD'S SAKE,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread jim_flanegin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone 
you
> > > think
> > > may benefit from it.
> > > All Love,
> > > Shiva Ma
> > > 
> > > My Dome rejection
> > > 
> > > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > > 
> > > Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> > > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> > following 
> > > orders'.
> > > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a 
Facist 
> > > regime, or something not good.
> > > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> > >
> > Her tiny little ego is just crying out to continue its illusion 
> > of 'staying alive', in the face of its pending annihilation. Not 
a 
> > bad thing really..
> .
> >rephrase the above: "The TMO ego is just crying out to continue 
its 
> illusion of "staying alive" in the face of its pending 
annihilation.  
> Not a bad thing, really..."
> Rest in Peace, TMO...it's about time!...upon its well-deserved 
> demise, such people (as the contributor in question) will feel no 
> misgivings since attachments to the TMO...(and whatever entities 
that 
> entails: the dome, MMY, Bevan, tweaked statistics, dishonesty...), 
> will conveniently no longer exist. Poof! Cheshire cat gone. 
> abilsincludilias the conpeo0pl final
>

and so the TMO's 'transgressions' grow stronger in your awareness, 
eh? Exactly the opposite of what you wanted...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread Peter



--- hyperbolicgeometry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


> .
> >rephrase the above: "The TMO ego is just crying out
> to continue its 
> illusion of "staying alive" in the face of its
> pending annihilation.  
> Not a bad thing, really..."
> Rest in Peace, TMO...it's about time!...upon its
> well-deserved 
> demise, such people (as the contributor in question)
> will feel no 
> misgivings since attachments to the TMO...(and
> whatever entities that 
> entails: the dome, MMY, Bevan, tweaked statistics,
> dishonesty...), 
> will conveniently no longer exist. Poof! Cheshire
> cat gone. 
> abilsincludilias the conpeo0pl final

And that is MMY's master plan! A total collapse of
everything into nothingness. No attachments, just pure
shiva.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan

2006-08-07 Thread Peter

This is really wonderful, in one great cosmic sense.
Horrible for the ego though! The demons and the devas
are churning the cosmic ocean to bring forth soma.
What a crazy gift MMY/Shree Ma are giving her. What is
she to do? I don't have a clue. But all kinds of gifts
come from that cosmic ocean. But first her mind has to
come to a full stop. No defense of any position. She
needs to surrender to the Divine in all its crazy form
so only the pure intent of her bhakti is left.

--- dhamiltony2k5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin
> with anyone you 
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan  to  John Hagelin
> 
> Aug 2 (5 days ago)
> 
> Dear John,
> I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble
> getting accepted at the
> dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been
> faced with one of
> the most difficult choices of my life. John will you
> PLEASE share 
> this
> letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE
> REAL TRUTH"  about
> what has happened in Fairfield. Please read
> everything I have written
> in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest
> and as "TRUTHFUL" 
> as
> I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this
> e-mail, that may
> benefit EVERYONE!
> 
> When I applied for the course, I was told I would
> need more time to 
> be
> processed. I knew I probably would not get an
> immediate acceptance,
> because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I
> practiced any
> techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India
> with a GREAT saint
> from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the
> man questioning
> me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to
> offer, and that
> what I learned in private, I kept private. I had
> asked the question 
> to
> over 600 people that I initiated,  back in the
> seventies: "Everything
> we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?"
> This answer
> seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me,  yet
> I was not
> accepted then for the dome.
> 
> This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my
> sister and
> brother-in law and several friends at a birthday
> party, that I should
> apply now for the dome, because they were accepting
> EVERYONE!
> Regardless of past associations with saints or other
> techniques, I 
> was
> told EVERYONE  was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All
> sins would be
> forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my
> heart. I have 
> never
> considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine
> Beings a sin.  I
> have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many
> saints over the
> last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as
> MAHARISHI. Each
> ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE
> LOVE, RESPECT and
> ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had
> given me in the
> past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!!   Yet Maharishi
> became
> inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at
> The 7000 Course in
> 1983. My heart was longing for him, So I felt that
> one by one He
> started sending different saints to BLESS ME!!! 
> Over the years, I
> have received the GRACE and BLESSINGS from over 15
> different saints
> that have visited Fairfield since 1997. In 1994 my
> first GREAT
> BLESSING was from MOTHER MEERA, in Germany. She
> changed my life
> forever... I have had the GREAT fortune of traveling
> with many of
> these DIVINE BEINGS. I am so GRATEFUL for the Love
> and Grace I have
> been given from these PURE DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS of
> Gods and
> Goddess's.
> 
> I want to offer my HUMBLEST GRATITUDE to Maharishi
> for always
> remaining in my HEART of HEARTS, since November 19,
> 1971. I will be 
> in
> HIS ETERNAL DEBT for the GRACE HE SHOWERED upon me
> over and over 
> again
> throughout all these years. JAI GURU DEV MAHARISHI! 
> I LOVE YOU SO
> MUCH.
> 
>  At the course office, Jeff Cohen was so sweet and
> kind to me on the
> phone, going over the guidelines for acceptance for
> the course.
> However the words he used when telling me what I
> needed to do, to get
> my badge, still penetrate me like millions of
> daggers in my HEART. I
> have not been able to shake them. {Please ask
> Maharishi to help me
> with this.} He said I would be able to get my badge
> if:  "I  SEVERED
> any connection I had with any saints and SEVERED the
> use of any
> techniques that they had taught me, and that I would
> NEVER establish 
> a
> connection with them again or practice any other
> techniques other 
> than
> Maharishi's, EVER AGAIN. And that I had to put all
> of this in 
> writing,
> promising that I would do this.  For GOD'S SAKE, How
> in the name of
> WHOLENESS! ONENESS! DIVINITY! and SELF REALIZATION!
> could I promise
> that  My SOUL WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT
> I could have lied and said anything that Jeff wanted
> to hear, got my
> badge, and no one would have known. THAT IS NOT ME,
> THAT IS NOT HOW I
> REPRESENT TRU

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> 
> 
> FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> 
> Reading Post # 108732





I can't get no satisfaction.

post # 108732 has no letter in it.






>, was really disturbing;
> What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
following 
> orders'.
> Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> regime, or something not good.
> No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> Why, is the only question to ask? why?
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[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Number of people learning TM ] Vaj's trap

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My favorite was the lingum out of the mouth trick.  He wasn't even
> trying on that one and everyone seemed so pleased with what he 
did. 
> Plus it was about a 10 on the gaydar scale!


I love watching the crowd as he does the manifestations.  They are 
so taken with him!




> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I completely agree that if Sai Baba has made the abuses of power 
he 
> > is accused of, then he deserves to be exposed. I have long 
sought 
> > good close-up footage of Sai handing out vibhuti, and today I 
have 
> > been able to study a variety of video clips, and I am very glad 
for 
> > this opportunity. Many thanks to whoever obtained this data and 
made 
> > it available!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > A red flag for "spin" goes up, perhaps undjusifiably so, for
> > > statements like " already known for their involvement in 
trying to
> > > bring about the public ridicule of another prominent Indian."
> > > 
> > > On the surface, he sounds like quite the rogue. On second 
thought, 
> > do
> > > all prominent indians deserve shielding if they have done some
> > > un-noble things?  Is someone known for their involvement in 
trying 
> > to
> > > bring about the public exposure of such un-nobles necessarily 
a bad
> > > person? 
> > > 
> > > If it was Conny Larsson, collecting mail for Linda Williams 
Pierce -
> > -
> > > who is apparently quite sick and may have others hadling her 
mail --
> > > then perhaps that is quite a noble thing.  Apparently Conny 
directly
> > > witnessed (and experienced?) abuses by Sai Baba -- and is 
> > dedicating a
> > > lot of time and resources to education others about the 
potential
> > > downside of involment with SB. Not a bad thing, is it?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I do not enter the suspicion of a conspiracy theory lightly, 
but 
> > > > whilst trying to contact one of the women I found my email 
to her 
> > > > being answered by someone already known for their 
involvement in 
> > > > trying to bring about the public ridicule of another 
prominent 
> > Indian.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning 
 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Mason" 
> > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ... and the stories have sounded no more clear as time 
has 
> > gone 
> > > > > > on.
> > > > > 
> > > > > To me, and this is not universal, I knew or was on courses 
with 
> > most
> > > > > of the people in SS. To me, most were credible as people. 
> > Different
> > > > > than say, if SS were written by strangers, or worse, the 
top 10
> > > > > posters on FFL.  And SS collaborated explicit things I had 
> > heard 25
> > > > > years earlier. Thus, SS files was perhaps more credible 
for me 
> > than
> > > > > for you. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Now to assume MMY's 'guilt' on the basis of third-hand 
> > material 
> > > > > > is very faulty. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Its odd, to me, how people wrap "extra stuff" around more 
simple
> > > > > events. "Guilt" ? I know you use the term loosely, but 
there is 
> > no 
> > > > i)
> > > > > legal, and most would argue no ii) moral crime here. It 
may be 
> > an 
> > > > iii)
> > > > > ethical abuse (younger women) but I don't buy that. 
Jennifer 
> > was,
> > > > > based on her attendance at my TTC the year before, and 
> > appearances,
> > > > > probably 23-24 at the time of her "reading mail" to MMY. 
> > (Though she
> > > > > was was probably not mistaken as 'the chosen one' as Tom 
> > apparently
> > > > > thought he was). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And she, while graceful and refined, IMO, is not someone I 
> > would 
> > > > have
> > > > > termed as sheltered or naive. Demure perhaps. Adults do 
things, 
> > are
> > > > > responsible for their choices -- even if they regret them 
> > later,  
> > > > and
> > > > > are ill-effected by them. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps it was  iv) an abuse of power -- teacher / 
student -- I 
> > have
> > > > > argued that in the past -- but have recanted some. When 
pants 
> > are
> > > > > down, or dhotis and dresses on the floor, power dynamics 
may 
> > > > diminish
> > > > >  -- or reverse, wobble, and occilate -- who has power over 
whom 
> > when
> > > > > nakedness befalls?   
> > > > > 
> > > > > So who (what crazy bastards :) ) is "assuming guilt" when, 
at 
> > least
> > > > > IMO, guilt is a non-issue? A more corect rendering of your 
> > sentence
> > > > > would be, IMO,  " Now to assume the truth of the 
allegations on 
> > the
> > > > > basis of third-hand material is very faulty. "
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, even then, there is a case being made by SS, see my 
> > comments
> > > > > above on credible sources. But mor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi Rick Archer,,, Past Life Regression.???

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> >   Sir Rick Archer, I found this comment in
> > another forum.  What is your opinion on this.??
> >
> >"" I find it amusing that everyone who
> > 'regresses' to a past life seems to have led an
> > exciting existence as a nobleman, diplomat,
> > courtesan, soldier, pirate, painter, musician, etc. 
> > Nobody ever seems to discover that they were a
> > filthy ignorant peasant who led a dreary, brutal
> > life and died of an infected cut at the age of 28. 
> drummer> Makes ya wonder what happened to the souls of
> all
> > those slaves who built the pyramids and such.""
> 
>  SSRS has a procedure called the "Eternity
> Process" that is done on a one to one basis with
> someone trained by him in the process. You
> experientially allow yourself to "unstress" specific
> samskaras from past lives. I did it about 2 years ago.
> Very interesing process. You're not hypnotized and no
> content suggestions are made to you. And by the way, I
> happened to be one of those slaves that built the
> pyramids,





Congratulations.

You're the first person I've ever heard relate a past live 
experience in which the past life wasn't a King or an emperor or 
someone special, like Abraham Lincoln.

A lowly slave?  How pedestrian of you...








> but I fell off one of the blocks and
> fractured my skull and died. I was 18. At least it was
> in my chitta. Another interesting thing was to
> experience various people that I'm related too today
> popping up in various guises in different past lives.
> For instance, in a a past life in Norway in the mid
> 1800's my youngest daughter is now my wife and my
> oldest son is now my father. In that life he drowned
> at about the age of 10. Now, is all this true and
> actually past lives. I don't have a clue, but it is
> amazing at all the naratives the unrole in the
> awareness with this process.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > -
> > See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com.  Check it
> out.
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread hyperbolicgeometry

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> > 
> > 
> > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> > think
> > may benefit from it.
> > All Love,
> > Shiva Ma
> > 
> > My Dome rejection
> > 
> > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > 
> > Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> > What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> > I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
> following 
> > orders'.
> > Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> > Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> > regime, or something not good.
> > No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> > Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> > Why, is the only question to ask? why?
> >
> Her tiny little ego is just crying out to continue its illusion 
> of 'staying alive', in the face of its pending annihilation. Not a 
> bad thing really..
.
>rephrase the above: "The TMO ego is just crying out to continue its 
illusion of "staying alive" in the face of its pending annihilation.  
Not a bad thing, really..."
Rest in Peace, TMO...it's about time!...upon its well-deserved 
demise, such people (as the contributor in question) will feel no 
misgivings since attachments to the TMO...(and whatever entities that 
entails: the dome, MMY, Bevan, tweaked statistics, dishonesty...), 
will conveniently no longer exist. Poof! Cheshire cat gone. 
abilsincludilias the conpeo0pl final






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman 
 
> wrote:
> > [Big Snip]
> > But one's emotional interpretation depends on what spin you're 
trying 
> to give it 
> 
> [Big Snip]
> 
> REASONABLE ESTIMATE: 7750 PEOPLE LEARNED TM IN THE U.S. THIS PAST 
YEAR




I think you're about 7,000 people too high.


> > 
> > Back to our main story:
> > In my original post (and now amended to use the higher 
initiation num-
> > bers), I went on to take this fact (number of local initiations) 
and 
> ex-
> > pand upon it: 50 initiations here times 155 similar TM-teaching 
loca-
> > tions around the country (see www.tm.org) = 7750 people starting 
TM in
> > the U.S. this past year (not counting the black market 
initiations).
> 
> Since the Movement is so good at blowing its own horn -- I think 
most 
> people would agree they've got it down to a science -- why aren't 
they 
> talking it up, issuing press releases and telling all the 
Invincible 
> America course participants about these initiation numbers?
> 
> Why, at 35+ years on, would the Movement suddenly stop blowing its 
own 
> horn about the success of the recertified teachers? 
> 
> The Movement has a major credibility issue not only with those who 
do 
> not follow it any longer, but even the TBs are cynical or at least 
wary 
> of claims made by the TMO -- even if the claims are true.
> 
> One case in point: Any idea when those pundits are going to show 
up in 
> FF? I was recently cleaning out some saved e-mails and found one 
from 
> Diane Comey announcing: "The Pundits Are Coming" So where are 
they? 
> A lot of the faithful who would truly LIKE to be faithful have 
lost 
> faith and moved on.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi ShempMcGurk, Maharishi wanted Capitalism to Go.???

I would be very saddened if he said he wanted it to go...I do 
remember a quote by him saying that Capitalism is the next to go 
(apparently he said this after the fall of communism).

Wonderful article, by the way.  India needs to abandon the horrible 
direction Mahatma Gandhi steered India into and get rid of central 
planning.

Here in America, Indians are at the forefront and hold the best 
positions in all the high tech jobs.  They are a great success.

I have heard the following saying: Indians are successful everywhere 
except India.

Now, perhaps, after India follows the advice in this article, they 
will be successful in India, too!

You know what they say


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
>  
>
>   Antidote
> 
> End to central planning 
> Thursday July 27 2006 16:49 IST 
> 
>  by  Sauvik Chakraverti
> 
> O a central planner, the problem is simple: resources are `given' 
and these have to be `allocated' according to known `priorities'. 
> 
> However, to those who believe in free markets, the problem is 
different. Resources are not `given' to any one mind. The resources 
themselves, and the knowledge of their potential alternative uses, 
are entirely scattered amongst the populace. The solution, then, is 
to allow each individual perfect liberty with which to carry out his 
own plans regarding consumption, investment, saving and so on, 
completely outside government control. Instead of Manmohan, Montek & 
Co, let's have each citizen as a free planner of his own economic 
life: one billion free individuals as purposeful economic agents. 
> 
> Note that this dispersed and disaggregated individual planning is 
instrumental in getting us all our daily needs. Fruits and 
vegetables are abundantly available to us because the decisions to 
grow, to wholesale, to retail and to buy are all separately taken by 
millions of free individuals. No one mind planned how many mangoes 
will be bought or sold in any market or at any price. Individual 
orchard owners, individual wholesalers and individual retailers took 
independent, competitive decisions based on their own plans. Hence 
mangoes are abundantly available. 
> 
> If there had been a Ministry of Mangoes, we wouldn't get any, 
because a single mind cannot obtain the `knowledge' required for the 
task. Central planning fails for precisely this reason: we don't get 
roads, electricity and water because all these are being planned. 
With free markets, all these would be abundant as independent 
businessmen made independent investments and attempted to supply our 
needs. This is already visible now, when phones, cars, motorcycles 
and scooters are abundantly available: these were scarce under 
planning. As Milton Friedman cautioned: ``If you give the Sahara 
Desert to the government, there will be a shortage of sand in five 
years.''  As another Nobel laureate, Friedrich Hayek warned, ``Where 
governments plan, the private plans of citizens fail.'' 
> 
> The sheer marvel of the free market is that it enables us to use 
resources and knowledge without any conscious mind controlling it. 
The market mechanism and the price system that guides it are not of 
human design and do not need human guidance. (They could do with 
more human appreciation of their wonder and indispensability!) They 
enable us to extend the span of our utilisation of resources far, 
far beyond the control of any single mind. The marvel of the free 
market enables us to solve the problem of resource allocation 
without the need for any conscious direction. We can throw out 
government planning. Further, the price system provides the 
necessary inducements to each individual to do desirable things like 
using resources `economically' (like save on petrol when prices 
rise) without anyone having to tell him what to do. For this 
understanding, humanity owes a great debt to Friedrich August von 
Hayek. 
> 
> One of the most curious decisions of the Nobel Prize committee was 
making Hayek share the 1974 Economics prize with the high priest of 
central planning for Third World countries, Gunnar Myrdal. The 
Indian government then hugely felicitated Myrdal, bestowing on him 
the Jawaharlal Nehru award. Hayek was entirely ignored by Bharat 
Sarkar. Why? 
> 
> Gunnar Myrdal believed that the poor people of the Third World 
were hopelessly so, unable to take rational economic decisions in 
the market and therefore in need of these decisions being taken for 
them by an `intellectual-moral elite': central planners. Expertise 
made them an intellectual elite; and their immunity to the profit 
motive that guides businessmen made them a moral elite. Myrdal 
believed that central planners of Third World countries like India 
were Platonic Guardians. The masses of ordinary people were 
illiterate and irrational, or just plain stupid. 
> 
> If Gunnar Myrdal had ever stepped into any Third World market, he 
would have seen there that the poorest people scout

[FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama Quote: on existence.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

2006-08-07 Thread jim_flanegin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 
> 
> 
> FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> 
> Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
> What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
> I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just 
following 
> orders'.
> Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
> Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
> regime, or something not good.
> No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
> Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
> Why, is the only question to ask? why?
>
Her tiny little ego is just crying out to continue its illusion 
of 'staying alive', in the face of its pending annihilation. Not a 
bad thing really...





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[FairfieldLife] 'Totalitarianism in the Dome'

"My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan 


FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you
think
may benefit from it.
All Love,
Shiva Ma

My Dome rejection

Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin

Reading Post # 108732, was really disturbing;
What gives someone the right, to manipulate another like this.
I'm sure it's not the fault of Jeff Cohen, as he is 'Just following 
orders'.
Orders sound more like Bevan's policy.
Anyway, it just reminds me of a totalitarian state, or a Facist 
regime, or something not good.
No wonder the atmostphere, is not as it could be.
Stiffled and compressed; fear mongering, and control.
Why, is the only question to ask? why?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan

2006-08-07 Thread lurkernomore20002000


FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you 
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,

giant, humungours, ginormous snip

>Shiva Ma Ryan
> {formerly Jeanne Lynn Ryan or {Jeanne Ryan Borden- {married name}

Nice to see someone who, (by her own declarations) has moved beyond 
all attachments.  Oh yea. That's obvious.

lurk
> 

>






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[FairfieldLife] "My Dome Rejection" From Shiva Ma Ryan

2006-08-07 Thread dhamiltony2k5

FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you 
think
may benefit from it.
All Love,
Shiva Ma

My Dome rejection

Shiva Ma Ryan  to  John Hagelin

Aug 2 (5 days ago)

Dear John,
I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble getting accepted at the
dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been faced with one of
the most difficult choices of my life. John will you PLEASE share 
this
letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE REAL TRUTH"  about
what has happened in Fairfield. Please read everything I have written
in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest and as "TRUTHFUL" 
as
I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this e-mail, that may
benefit EVERYONE!

When I applied for the course, I was told I would need more time to 
be
processed. I knew I probably would not get an immediate acceptance,
because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I practiced any
techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India with a GREAT saint
from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the man questioning
me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to offer, and that
what I learned in private, I kept private. I had asked the question 
to
over 600 people that I initiated,  back in the seventies: "Everything
we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?" This answer
seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me,  yet I was not
accepted then for the dome.

This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my sister and
brother-in law and several friends at a birthday party, that I should
apply now for the dome, because they were accepting EVERYONE!
Regardless of past associations with saints or other techniques, I 
was
told EVERYONE  was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All sins would be
forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my heart. I have 
never
considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine Beings a sin.  I
have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many saints over the
last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as MAHARISHI. Each
ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE LOVE, RESPECT and
ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had given me in the
past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!!   Yet Maharishi became
inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at The 7000 Course in
1983. My heart was longing for him, So I felt that one by one He
started sending different saints to BLESS ME!!!  Over the years, I
have received the GRACE and BLESSINGS from over 15 different saints
that have visited Fairfield since 1997. In 1994 my first GREAT
BLESSING was from MOTHER MEERA, in Germany. She changed my life
forever... I have had the GREAT fortune of traveling with many of
these DIVINE BEINGS. I am so GRATEFUL for the Love and Grace I have
been given from these PURE DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS of Gods and
Goddess's.

I want to offer my HUMBLEST GRATITUDE to Maharishi for always
remaining in my HEART of HEARTS, since November 19, 1971. I will be 
in
HIS ETERNAL DEBT for the GRACE HE SHOWERED upon me over and over 
again
throughout all these years. JAI GURU DEV MAHARISHI!  I LOVE YOU SO
MUCH.

 At the course office, Jeff Cohen was so sweet and kind to me on the
phone, going over the guidelines for acceptance for the course.
However the words he used when telling me what I needed to do, to get
my badge, still penetrate me like millions of daggers in my HEART. I
have not been able to shake them. {Please ask Maharishi to help me
with this.} He said I would be able to get my badge if:  "I  SEVERED
any connection I had with any saints and SEVERED the use of any
techniques that they had taught me, and that I would NEVER establish 
a
connection with them again or practice any other techniques other 
than
Maharishi's, EVER AGAIN. And that I had to put all of this in 
writing,
promising that I would do this.  For GOD'S SAKE, How in the name of
WHOLENESS! ONENESS! DIVINITY! and SELF REALIZATION! could I promise
that  My SOUL WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT
I could have lied and said anything that Jeff wanted to hear, got my
badge, and no one would have known. THAT IS NOT ME, THAT IS NOT HOW I
REPRESENT TRUTH AND DIVINITY. I DO NOT, AND I WILL NOT, EVER LIE to
achieve a small gain in the present, who would I be lying to ONLY
MY SELF

When Jeff was explaing to me how Maharishi said that one should not
cross the river in two boats, it causes confusion. I told him: "I AM
NO LONGER IN THE BOAT, I AM ON THE ISLAND I AM ENJOYING THE GOAL.
I PARKED MY BOAT ON THE SIDE OF THE SHORE, MANY YEARS AGO, AND LEFT 
IT
THERE!" There are other people in Fairfield in the same place that I
AM. We are  not nor could we ever again "BE CONFUSED" We are SELF
REFERRAL NOW!!! No mistakes CAN be made. I LISTEN TO MY GOD SELF
ALWAYS... My OWN INNER VOICE SPEAKS TO ME ALWAYS!!!  I AM not
MAHARISHI or MOVEMENT REFERRAL anymore. The same SELF that is in ALL
BEINGS, IN THE ONENESS OF ALL BEINGS, IN THAT SELF LUMINOUS SELF, 
TH

[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it

2006-08-07 Thread jim_flanegin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman 
 
> > wrote:
> > > [Big Snip]
> > > But one's emotional interpretation depends on what spin you're 
trying 
> > to give it 
> > 
> > [Big Snip]
> > 
> > REASONABLE ESTIMATE: 7750 PEOPLE LEARNED TM IN THE U.S. THIS 
PAST YEAR
> 
> Actutally, I think Michael's analysis had one glaring error: the 
vast majority of the people 
> who learned TM in SE Florida probably came from the tiny segment 
in the richest part, 
> which is MMY's stated intent anyway.
> 
> To estimate how many initiations there have been in the past year, 
estimate the number of 
> "filthy rich" or at least soiled rich in the area, and go from 
there.
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> > One case in point: Any idea when those pundits are going to show 
up in 
> > FF? I was recently cleaning out some saved e-mails and found one 
from 
> > Diane Comey announcing: "The Pundits Are Coming" So where 
are they? 
> > A lot of the faithful who would truly LIKE to be faithful have 
lost 
> > faith and moved on.
> >
> 
> MMY's plans for Vedic City call for it to become the Hindu Mecca 
of the USA. The pundits 
> will certainly get there ASAP, but who can say when that will be. 
We're talking Maharishi 
> Time here, and who nows how the Timeless measures time? Did the 
world get created in 7 
> days,  or 7 eons?
>
literally in the blink of an eye.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield/MVC Course Photos

2006-08-07 Thread lurkernomore20002000


> Some great minds tried flying on the way back to the states on the
> > jet. Stewardesses quite alarmed.
> > 
> > Seat-belted into a airplane seat is not too different than a wheel
> > chair I suppose. 
> > 
> I witnessed that on several flights. One in particular. It looked 
like
> several hundred people having an epileptic seizure. The flight 
attendants
> were alarmed indeed.

Ah yes.  When Governors ruled the world. Or at least we thought we did.

lurk
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi Rick Archer,,, Past Life Regression.???

2006-08-07 Thread rmy108

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- Peter wrote:
> > >
> > >  SSRS has a procedure called the "Eternity
> > > Process" that is done on a one to one basis with
> > > someone trained by him in the process. You
> > > experientially allow yourself to "unstress" specific
> > > samskaras from past lives. I did it about 2 years ago.
> > 
> > Is this a widely available, fee-based process? Are there 
> prerequisites?
> >
> 
> There's a guy, named Ron Scolastico, who used to do a lot of;
> 'Past Life Readings', for people in the Fairfield comminuty.
> Here's his website:
> http://www.ronscolastico.com/
>
Has anyone had any experience with Ron?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi Rick Archer,,, Past Life Regression.???

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- Peter wrote:
> >
> >  SSRS has a procedure called the "Eternity
> > Process" that is done on a one to one basis with
> > someone trained by him in the process. You
> > experientially allow yourself to "unstress" specific
> > samskaras from past lives. I did it about 2 years ago.
> 
> Is this a widely available, fee-based process? Are there 
prerequisites?
>

There's a guy, named Ron Scolastico, who used to do a lot of;
'Past Life Readings', for people in the Fairfield comminuty.
Here's his website:
http://www.ronscolastico.com/

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield/MVC Course Photos

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > They made me feel like when I looked around at the crowd at the 
> > Bonnie
> > > Raitt concert this Summer: "When did we all get so old?"
> > > 
> > > 
> > Yea, with all this new construction, I hope they're creating wheel 
> > chair access.  Looks like we're going to need it.  You just know 
> > someone is going to come up with a device for "flying" in their wheel 
> > chairs before too long.
> 
> Some great minds tried flying on the way back to the states on the
> jet. Stewardesses quite alarmed. 
> 
> Seat-belted into a airplane seat is not too different than a wheel
> chair I suppose.
>

Back in the day when I hopped regularly instead of twitched, I used to do 
program in my 
car. Some guy came up and asked if I needed him to call an ambulance...







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[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Number of people learning TM ] Vaj's trap

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 8/7/06 4:32 PM, Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I have been practising transcendental meditation regularly for well
> > over three decades now, but that has not made me a 'true believer'.
> > But, I am a firm believer about one thing at least and that is in
> > using proper methodology for the purposes of detection work.
> > 
> I believe that as time goes on, the evidence will become more convincing,
> and you¹ll end up revising your opinion. You might already have done so, had
> you had the conversations I¹ve had.
>

So, who is a more credible witness, Anita Hill, or Clarence Thomas?

Why?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoi Rick Archer,,, Past Life Regression.???

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> It may
> > be, though, that the recent lifetimes of people nearing enlightenment in
> > this lifetime (many on this forum) have been more interesting.
> 
> Why? When cleaning out a garbage can, it usually gets smellier near
> the bottom, almost empty, can. :)
>

Ancient Chinese curse (blessing?): may you live in interesting times.

Perhaps we tend to remember the most interesting lifetimes because the others 
are, well, 
boring. OTOH, the "best" TM experience isn't memorable at all, so perhaps we're 
confusing 
exciting with most evolutionary and the ones who trudged through life as 
pyramid builders 
got the most done during that lifetime and recall it the least.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 7750 people learned TM in the U.S. last year - Vaj's Errors and Tricks to deny it

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman  
> wrote:
> > [Big Snip]
> > But one's emotional interpretation depends on what spin you're trying 
> to give it 
> 
> [Big Snip]
> 
> REASONABLE ESTIMATE: 7750 PEOPLE LEARNED TM IN THE U.S. THIS PAST YEAR

Actutally, I think Michael's analysis had one glaring error: the vast majority 
of the people 
who learned TM in SE Florida probably came from the tiny segment in the richest 
part, 
which is MMY's stated intent anyway.

To estimate how many initiations there have been in the past year, estimate the 
number of 
"filthy rich" or at least soiled rich in the area, and go from there.

[...]

> One case in point: Any idea when those pundits are going to show up in 
> FF? I was recently cleaning out some saved e-mails and found one from 
> Diane Comey announcing: "The Pundits Are Coming" So where are they? 
> A lot of the faithful who would truly LIKE to be faithful have lost 
> faith and moved on.
>

MMY's plans for Vedic City call for it to become the Hindu Mecca of the USA. 
The pundits 
will certainly get there ASAP, but who can say when that will be. We're talking 
Maharishi 
Time here, and who nows how the Timeless measures time? Did the world get 
created in 7 
days,  or 7 eons?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: "God of the Genome"

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > I think he means "non-zero probability"
> > > that human beans will witness one of God's interventions.
> > 
> > Small pet peeve: its human beings, not beans. :)
> 
> I'm talking about human beans, actually.
> 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk-9--UFtyI

> > But, yes, thank you for the dalmation correction.
> 
> Um, apparently not.
>






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