[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Just proving, yet again, what a dishonest troll Richard Williams (WillyTex) is. Maybe so, but I find him quite entertaining. E.g, he's got a nice sentence rhythm, or whatever! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: The one of Judith, Jerry and others dinning with MMY where he is shown looking so tiny at the head of the table. It's here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/253524 The embedded image in that message is now a pic of Obama.
[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms
BC - Brahman Consciousness BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi CC - Cosmic Consciousness GC - God Consciousness MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi OTP - Off the Program - a phrase used in the TM movement meaning to do something (such as see another spiritual teacher) considered in violation of Maharishi's program. POV - Point of View SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master SCI Science of Creative Intelligence SOC - State of Consciousness SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji) SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture) TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines) TNB - True Non-Believer TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization TTC TM Teacher Training Course UC - Unity Consciousness WYMS - World Youth Meditation Society later changed to World Youth Movement for the Science of Creative Intelligence was founded by Peter Hübner in Germany, as a national TM outlet competing with SIMS, Students International Meditation Society YMMV = Your Mileage may vary To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
Word on the street is that several famous Nazis in Nabby's family had their faces melted off by Buddhists during the war. That's why he's still so down on them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ythpzsu18 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I always enjoyed her stories of Dark Lamas in Tibet radioing Hitler and his cronies, secretly assisting them in their plans for world domination. 127 Buddhist Lamas of Tibetan origin were found by the russians in a appartment-building in Berlin, May 9'th 1945 and promptly shot. What these Tibetan Buddhists were doing in Berlin we will probably never know as their main man killed himself with a gun in a bunker, after posining his dog, and seing his wife dying of poision. The others in the know were hanged after the Nuremberg trials. Obviously they were contributing to the Third Reich, after having been invited by Hitler, in a vain attempt to by black magic try stop the forces of light. These Buddhists failed in their foolish and vain attempt to de-stabilice the western countries, and concequently had to pay their price with their lives. Other laughable Buddists are continuing to nurture this dream, all the while the western countries have their focus on the Taliban.
[FairfieldLife] Impressions from India, Hendrix, and stuff?
Kingston Wall: Shine on me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtBcWl-O5b4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Twelve Invincible Countries
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: yes it is good to know some people are doing anything to change things for the better Bingo what it's worth --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: http://www.maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/iw/invincible7.html enjoy Good to know that the biggest suppliers and customers of illegal drugs are invincible. weird but refreshing point of view LOL enough release of endorphins for today see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/252891 Re: The Decline and Fall of the TMO http://alturl.com/uu6ik Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:14 am
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
Following up on Nabby's claimed reasons for his hatred of Buddhists, doesn't anyone ever wonder why he never thinks any of these rationalizations for hatred *through*? Yes, there is a history of ritual and ceremonial magic in Tibet, long pre-dating the arrival of Buddhism. It was (according to myth) common among the Bon shamans who ran things in Tibet before Padmasambhava arrived and kicked them all out. There is very little history of magic being used for dark purposes afterwards. However, that's not how the cultures that *feared* Tibet and its dwellers' facility with magic (at least in myth if not in actuality) saw things. Chinese adventures tales always cast Tibetans as the Bad Guys. Always. It's like they were so terrified of the magic that they could only imagine what THEY would do with magic if they had mastered it, so they assumed that Tibetans would, too. So Chinese legends are full of non-magicians beating black magicians from Tibet in wars that never happened to avenge magical attacks against China that never happened. Similarly, there is little question that some of the sicker minds in the Third Reich had an unhealthy fascination with objects of power and with ritual magic, thinking it would help them rule the world. Whether anything ever happened with such fascinations is debatable. Certainly Angela has all the credibility of Willytex, so *nothing* she ever says can be taken with less than a pound bag of salt. But what Nabby misses entirely is that in his imagined scenario it's the GERMANS who imagine dastardly things to do with black magic, and who import (supposedly) Tibetans to help them do it. If Nabby were sane, he'd see that it's GERMANS he should have an unreasoning hatred for, not Buddhists. But he can't do that, first because he's German, and second because *he* suffers from the same mind disease that the Nazis did. When he hears about magical abilities, the first thing (and often the only thing) his mind turns to is how they could be used against HIM, or against people he identifies with, like TMers. His rantings here are FULL of such paranoia, whether it's CIA agents infiltrating the TMO or FFL, or the Dalai Lama paying people to badrap TM, or whatever. In other words, the person who embodies the sick, twisted aspect of this fascination with magic *to achieve the ends of one's ego* is NABBY. He is essentially the modern counterpart of the Nazis who did the same thing in WWII. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Word on the street is that several famous Nazis in Nabby's family had their faces melted off by Buddhists during the war. That's why he's still so down on them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ythpzsu18 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I always enjoyed her stories of Dark Lamas in Tibet radioing Hitler and his cronies, secretly assisting them in their plans for world domination. 127 Buddhist Lamas of Tibetan origin were found by the russians in a appartment-building in Berlin, May 9'th 1945 and promptly shot. What these Tibetan Buddhists were doing in Berlin we will probably never know as their main man killed himself with a gun in a bunker, after posining his dog, and seing his wife dying of poision. The others in the know were hanged after the Nuremberg trials. Obviously they were contributing to the Third Reich, after having been invited by Hitler, in a vain attempt to by black magic try stop the forces of light. These Buddhists failed in their foolish and vain attempt to de-stabilice the western countries, and concequently had to pay their price with their lives. Other laughable Buddists are continuing to nurture this dream, all the while the western countries have their focus on the Taliban.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Following up on Nabby's claimed reasons for his hatred of Buddhists, doesn't anyone ever wonder why he never thinks any of these rationalizations for hatred *through*? Yes, there is a history of ritual and ceremonial magic in Tibet, long pre-dating the arrival of Buddhism. It was (according to myth) common among the Bon shamans who ran things in Tibet before Padmasambhava arrived and kicked them all out. There is very little history of magic being used for dark purposes afterwards. Except during WWII snip Similarly, there is little question that some of the sicker minds in the Third Reich had an unhealthy fascination with objects of power and with ritual magic, thinking it would help them rule the world. Whether anything ever happened with such fascinations is debatable. Certainly Angela has all the credibility of Willytex, so *nothing* she ever says can be taken with less than a pound bag of salt. But what Nabby misses entirely is that in his imagined scenario it's the GERMANS who imagine dastardly things to do with black magic, and who import (supposedly) Tibetans to help them do it. If Nabby were sane, he'd see that it's GERMANS he should have an unreasoning hatred for, not Buddhists. You're a fool, why should I hate germans ? I hate nobody, but the nazi idea of overtaking the world with the help of Buddhist tibetans would make any sane person sick. Since you're not mentally sane you seem to be comfortable with that. There is a very good reason why you were never allowed to enter Maharishi's room but was kept securliy outside and later kicked out of the Movement. But he can't do that, first because he's German, and second because *he* suffers from the same mind disease that the Nazis did. When he hears about magical abilities, the first thing (and often the only thing) his mind turns to is how they could be used against HIM, or against people he identifies with, like TMers. His rantings here are FULL of such paranoia, whether it's CIA agents infiltrating the TMO or FFL, or the Dalai Lama paying people to badrap TM, or whatever. In other words, the person who embodies the sick, twisted aspect of this fascination with magic *to achieve the ends of one's ego* is NABBY. He is essentially the modern counterpart of the Nazis who did the same thing in WWII. You're a joke, even though your historical analysis might be correct regarding the early history of the tibetans. That Hitler imported tibetans to Berlin to do black magic on his behalf is not paranoia, it's a fact. In your perverted world I'm a nazi. In the world of reality many Buddhists did everything they could to support and strenghten the Third Reich. As we know they were defeated by the forces of light through the sacrifice of countless brave europeans, americans and russians. The chinese now rule Tibet and the Dolly Lama remains a (failed) politician. Get over it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: 127 Buddhist Lamas of Tibetan origin were found by the russians in a appartment-building in Berlin, May 9'th 1945 and promptly shot. What these Tibetan Buddhists were doing in Berlin we will probably never know as their main man killed himself with a gun in a bunker, after posining his dog, and seing his wife dying of poision. The others in the know were hanged after the Nuremberg trials. Obviously they were contributing to the Third Reich, after having been invited by Hitler, in a vain attempt to by black magic try stop the forces of light. These Buddhists failed in their foolish and vain attempt to de-stabilice the western countries, and concequently had to pay their price with their lives. Other laughable Buddists are continuing to nurture this dream, all the while the western countries have their focus on the Taliban.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Following up on Nabby's claimed reasons for his hatred of Buddhists, doesn't anyone ever wonder why he never thinks any of these rationalizations for hatred *through*? Yes, there is a history of ritual and ceremonial magic in Tibet, long pre-dating the arrival of Buddhism. It was (according to myth) common among the Bon shamans who ran things in Tibet before Padmasambhava arrived and kicked them all out. There is very little history of magic being used for dark purposes afterwards. Except during WWII Unfortunately the West is too preoccupied with Taliban as to keep an eye on these groups of Buddhists.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Following up on Nabby's claimed reasons for his hatred of Buddhists, doesn't anyone ever wonder why he never thinks any of these rationalizations for hatred *through*? Yes, there is a history of ritual and ceremonial magic in Tibet, long pre-dating the arrival of Buddhism. It was (according to myth) common among the Bon shamans who ran things in Tibet before Padmasambhava arrived and kicked them all out. There is very little history of magic being used for dark purposes afterwards. Except during WWII Unfortunately the West is too preoccupied with Taliban as to keep an eye on these groups of Buddhists. Sometimes, for example on a lazy Sunday afternoon in Amsterdam, just for fun I try to imagine what it must be like to live in the Nabbyverse. You know...the Nabbyverse...that parallel universe that probably exists somewhere because Nabby thinks about it so much in this universe. What might that parallel universe be like? I think it's probably a combination of Yellow Submarine and Dawn Of The Dead. One half of the Nabbyverse is full of bright colors and ice-cream-cone trees and gurus on every corner, ready to tell you how to live your life and what to believe, 24/7. But there is a darker side to the Nabbyverse. That dark 'verse is crawling with people who cavil and smear the reputations of the gurus in the first universe and who are lurking around every corner ready to do harm to *him* personally because, after all, he's so important. :-) In that Dark Nabbyverse, the Dalai Lama and his lackeys the CIA pay evildoers to infiltrate the groups he reads on the Internet to spread lies. I'm tellin' ya...if someone could manage to put How Nabby Sees The World Around Him up on the big screen, and hire a twisted enough director (like Tim Burton or Terry Gilliam), I think it'd become a cult classic.
[FairfieldLife] Two Crop Circles appeared this weekend, and a third crudely made by humans
http://www.earthfiles.com/shop.php Wickham Green (North of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July. Map Ref: SU387722 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=438700y=172280z=120sv=438700,17\ 2280st=4ar=ymapp=map.srfsearchp=ids.srfdn=645ax=438700ay=172280l\ m=0 This Page has been accessed [Hit Counter] Updated Sunday 1st August 2010 http://www.7fires.net/ AERIAL SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/wickhamgreen2\ 010b.html GROUND SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/groundshots.h\ tml DIAGRAMS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/diagrams.html\ FIELD REPORTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/fieldreports.\ html COMMENTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/comments.html\ ARTICLES http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010N/articles.html\ 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 01/08/10 31/07/10 Could this be a Revelation? Well here is the coincidence. Young Madelien from the Netherlands takes her first flight in the UK to see the formation near Wickham on the south side of the M4 motorway and she discovers another sister circle to the north of the M4. Some are seeing a religious aspect to this formation that being animage of the head of Christ. There are also links being drawn to the image in the Turin shroud. Certainly this has been a genuine surprise to us all as we thought there was only one formation in the Wickham area that being on the south of the M4. A mystifying event indeed. Julian Gibsone (Director of the Crop Circle Connector's DVD's) http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer09c.html http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/conduct.html Bottom One North of M4 Images Madelien Scholten Copyright 2010 http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2010 http://www.earthfiles.com/shop.php Wickham Green (South of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July. Map Ref: SU393720 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=439360y=172035z=120sv=439360,17\ 2035st=4ar=ymapp=map.srfsearchp=ids.srfdn=645ax=439360ay=172035l\ m=0 This Page has been accessed [Hit Counter] Updated Saturday 31st July 2010 http://www.7fires.net/ AERIAL SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010S/wickhamgreen2\ 010a.html GROUND SHOTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010S/groundshots.h\ tml DIAGRAMS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010S/diagrams.html\ FIELD REPORTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010S/fieldreports.\ html COMMENTS http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010S/comments.html\ ARTICLES http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2010/wickhamgreen2010S/articles.html\ 31/07/10 31/07/10 01/08/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122251217802800v=wall http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/conduct.html Top one South of M4 Images Madelien Scholten Copyright 2010 http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD http://www.cccvault.com/cccvideos/trailer2010a.html Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2010
[FairfieldLife] Amsterbikers
I'm just checking in from an Amsterdam Biker Bar on a fairly sunny Sunday afternoon. In a way it's a far more upscale biker bar than those I've been in before, being located in a picturesque corner of the Westerpark and all, but the crowd is similar. Fat 40-ish guys and gals covered with tattoos and wearing full-dress biker colors. We're talking denim vests that spell out the name of the bike club and display its emblem. One of the vests displays a big, ornate '13' crest, labeled 'Big Buddha.' Really. But that's only the start of what is a little dif- ferent in this biker bar compared to the ones you remember from your misspent youth, or if you've never been to a biker bar, your memories of them from Hell's Angels movies. It gets weirder. The bikers all rode up on bikes. Not Harleys. Bikes. Bicycles. Totally tongued-out, to-die-for, works-of-art Hells Angels bicycles. It is difficult for me to describe them, so I will attach a link to an album of photos them that hopefully will work for you on FFL. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23614id=10424282974l=53e659c361
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
I wander if you have read the last book from Conny Larsson The Beatles, Maharishi och Jag - give som inside information about MMY and hos life behind the screen. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' I see that Rick Archer refuses to see the book as anything but a concotion of thoughts from a pshycic reader who probably have a bit of a problem with the difference between reality, wishful thinking and pshycic influences. I see that Nabby continues to comment on a book he hasn't read. Unlike you I don't read books by self-proclaimed pshycic readers channeling nonsense and wishful thinking. Do you read books by Benjamin Crème? Judith's book is not channeled.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Two Crop Circles appeared this weekend, and a third crudely made by humans
Haven't the aliens heard that the Shroud of Turin is a fake? Boy, those guys from the planet Zantar are so easy to fool! --- On Sun, 8/1/10, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Two Crop Circles appeared this weekend, and a third crudely made by humans To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 10:17 AM Wickham Green (North of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July. Map Ref: SU387722 This Page has been accessed Updated Sunday 1st August 2010 AERIAL SHOTS GROUND SHOTS DIAGRAMS FIELD REPORTS COMMENTS ARTICLES 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 01/08/10 31/07/10 Could this be a Revelation? Well here is the coincidence. Young Madelien from the Netherlands takes her first flight in the UK to see the formation near Wickham on the south side of the M4 motorway and she discovers another sister circle to the north of the M4. Some are seeing a religious aspect to this formation that being animage of the head of Christ. There are also links being drawn to the image in the Turin shroud. Certainly this has been a genuine surprise to us all as we thought there was only one formation in the Wickham area that being on the south of the M4. A mystifying event indeed. Julian Gibsone (Director of the Crop Circle Connector's DVD's) Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK Bottom One North of M4 Images Madelien Scholten Copyright 2010 CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2010 Wickham Green (South of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July. Map Ref: SU393720 This Page has been accessed Updated Saturday 31st July 2010 AERIAL SHOTS GROUND SHOTS DIAGRAMS FIELD REPORTS COMMENTS ARTICLES 31/07/10 31/07/10 01/08/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK Top one South of M4 Images Madelien Scholten Copyright 2010 CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2010
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
--- On Sun, 8/1/10, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 6:58 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Following up on Nabby's claimed reasons for his hatred of Buddhists, doesn't anyone ever wonder why he never thinks any of these rationalizations for hatred *through*? Yes, there is a history of ritual and ceremonial magic in Tibet, long pre-dating the arrival of Buddhism. It was (according to myth) common among the Bon shamans who ran things in Tibet before Padmasambhava arrived and kicked them all out. There is very little history of magic being used for dark purposes afterwards. Except during WWII Unfortunately the West is too preoccupied with Taliban as to keep an eye on these groups of Buddhists. Where are they? Let's go kick their scrawny asses! To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
--- On Sun, 8/1/10, seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 1:43 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Interpol isn't called in and the FBI as well, You know as well as I that once all the dust settles, it will be discovered that the Vatican is behind it. May also come out that the Vatican holds the title for the entire United Statess. That tidbit could surface at the same time. And Dan Brown will write a book about it which will be turned into a movie staring Tom Hanks and some beautiful French actress and then all the Jews in Hollywood will make billions. IT'S ALWAYS THE DAMN JEWS BEHIND EVERYTHING!! I bet they're even making those crop circles that make Nabs slightly turgid. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Two Crop Circles appeared this weekend, and a third crudely made by humans
Nabs, I clicked on the picture of the second book..and discovered that the author, Bearcloud, is the Dude's cousin! --- On Sun, 8/1/10, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Two Crop Circles appeared this weekend, and a third crudely made by humans To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 10:17 AM Wickham Green (North of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July. Map Ref: SU387722 This Page has been accessed Updated Sunday 1st August 2010 AERIAL SHOTS GROUND SHOTS DIAGRAMS FIELD REPORTS COMMENTS ARTICLES 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 01/08/10 31/07/10 Could this be a Revelation? Well here is the coincidence. Young Madelien from the Netherlands takes her first flight in the UK to see the formation near Wickham on the south side of the M4 motorway and she discovers another sister circle to the north of the M4. Some are seeing a religious aspect to this formation that being animage of the head of Christ. There are also links being drawn to the image in the Turin shroud. Certainly this has been a genuine surprise to us all as we thought there was only one formation in the Wickham area that being on the south of the M4. A mystifying event indeed. Julian Gibsone (Director of the Crop Circle Connector's DVD's) Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK Bottom One North of M4 Images Madelien Scholten Copyright 2010 CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2010 Wickham Green (South of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July. Map Ref: SU393720 This Page has been accessed Updated Saturday 31st July 2010 AERIAL SHOTS GROUND SHOTS DIAGRAMS FIELD REPORTS COMMENTS ARTICLES 31/07/10 31/07/10 01/08/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK Top one South of M4 Images Madelien Scholten Copyright 2010 CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2010
Re: [FairfieldLife] Amsterbikers
And I hope you kicked the shit out each and every one of them in the true spirit of the AMERICAN Hell's Angels! --- On Sun, 8/1/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Amsterbikers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 10:24 AM I'm just checking in from an Amsterdam Biker Bar on a fairly sunny Sunday afternoon. In a way it's a far more upscale biker bar than those I've been in before, being located in a picturesque corner of the Westerpark and all, but the crowd is similar. Fat 40-ish guys and gals covered with tattoos and wearing full-dress biker colors. We're talking denim vests that spell out the name of the bike club and display its emblem. One of the vests displays a big, ornate '13' crest, labeled 'Big Buddha.' Really. But that's only the start of what is a little dif- ferent in this biker bar compared to the ones you remember from your misspent youth, or if you've never been to a biker bar, your memories of them from Hell's Angels movies. It gets weirder. The bikers all rode up on bikes. Not Harleys. Bikes. Bicycles. Totally tongued-out, to-die-for, works-of-art Hells Angels bicycles. It is difficult for me to describe them, so I will attach a link to an album of photos them that hopefully will work for you on FFL. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23614id=10424282974l=53e659c361 To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Seems to me his role in history would be more accidental than anything else. He was a vehicle for the knowledge to come out. If I believe it's what he said it was, it's been around as long as human beans, and Nature/the gunas determined when and by what means it was time for it to be recognized again. I'm confused by this. Is this a belief you hold What probability do you assign to it as true? Based on the Gita, first of all. I assign it a fairly high probability, enough to make it part of my working hypothesis; can't say I beLEEEVE it (or much of anything else metaphysical), though. This gets to the heart of our differing views on epistemology. For me it seems like a pretty big contradiction to place a high probability on something but not being able to say you believe in it. I don't understand that. My beliefs are shaped by probability, they are connected. So for me high probability of things being true is accompanied by more substantial belief. I'm not sure how you make the move from the beautiful work of literature (Mahabharata) describing the human condition brilliantly to it being a literal roadmap of how the world actually works in a grander scheme. You don't come across as a scripture believer so I'm not sure how you could base anything of the nature of the rise and fall of knowledge on the Gita. Or how you jump to Maharishi as the dude. This may come from your experiences of your program that give you more confidence that Maharishi was teaching something profound enough to warrant his grand claim of his unique role in history. Your next paragraph may help me understand how you are putting this together. It's a function of an attitude I choose to hold that it's not all going to go down the tubes. Sounds like a false alternative to me. I don't see how Maharishi being wrong about his elevated role in human history has anything to do with things going down the tubes. I'm betting on human ingenuity for my optimism in life. I could be wrong, but I prefer to live as an optimist in that regard. I don't view this as a function of optimism unless you have put all your eggs in this basket for hope. Although I am not a fan of epistemological hedonism (if it feels good it is a valuable belief) I do believe in the attitude of optimism. I think we are just looking in different places for it. Where you may see me as focusing on the negative about Maharishi, I see it as the positive force of clarity and truth at play. False hopes in wrong ideas hold us back. But our human nature causes us to be overly fond of our beliefs especially if we tie them to our hopes and dreams. I am betting on a reduction on what I view as magical solutions for the world's problems as where I place my optimism. I view the failure of Maharishi's programs in the world to be a small step in the right direction. More positive knowledge comes out of studying how people come to believe things. This was the greatest gift for my life from my time with Maharishi. I now understand better how our beliefs get formed. Hhow a bunch of otherwise intelligent people can be led to believe things that would have seemed absurd to them if they had been presented outside the social context of a group like TM. Interestingly the Moon group views their leader in much the same was in his role in history. And yet it is not problem at all for meditators to feel confident that they are probably wrong in their assessment of his important historical role while assigning the identical one to Maharishi with a high probability! That said I still would like to see more research and understanding of the value of meditation outside religious contexts. Maharishi gave out this hope of a secular understanding but it was a marketing mirage. The concept caught on and was successful in marketing because it genuinely is a great idea. The problem was that Maharishi never bought into it for real. He may have actually been right that meditation has great value for us but we need to understand it without the proprietary agendas of particular groups.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
I wander if you have read the last book from Conny Larsson The Beatles, Maharishi och Jag - give som inside information about MMY and hos life behind the screen. I haven't read it, is it translated into English? I would love to read anything about MMY and hos life since I know now that his pimp hand was strong and he had many hos up in his crib. I was also fascinated to learn that Maharishi's preferred pimp-mobile was och Jag. I always saw him in tricked out Caddy limos when he was pimp'n large at MIU. But as a mega-large playa it shouldn't surprise me that he would show up on the street in different wheels to make sure his hos weren't eball'n some other wannabe play-a hate-a like dat poser Rajaneesh. He would put the smackdown on his girls bigtime if he saw any of that action goin'n down, sem say'n? Nice to hear you shout out to the FFL homies Ingegerd! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eingegerd eingeg...@... wrote: I wander if you have read the last book from Conny Larsson The Beatles, Maharishi och Jag - give som inside information about MMY and hos life behind the screen. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' I see that Rick Archer refuses to see the book as anything but a concotion of thoughts from a pshycic reader who probably have a bit of a problem with the difference between reality, wishful thinking and pshycic influences. I see that Nabby continues to comment on a book he hasn't read. Unlike you I don't read books by self-proclaimed pshycic readers channeling nonsense and wishful thinking. Do you read books by Benjamin Crème? Judith's book is not channeled.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eingegerd Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:49 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' I wander if you have read the last book from Conny Larsson The Beatles, Maharishi och Jag - give som inside information about MMY and hos life behind the screen. Ingegerd I don't think the English translation is out yet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterbikers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: And I hope you kicked the shit out each and every one of them in the true spirit of the AMERICAN Hell's Angels! I considered it, but some of the women looked pretty tough. --- On Sun, 8/1/10, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Amsterbikers To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 10:24 AM I'm just checking in from an Amsterdam Biker Bar on a fairly sunny Sunday afternoon. In a way it's a far more upscale biker bar than those I've been in before, being located in a picturesque corner of the Westerpark and all, but the crowd is similar. Fat 40-ish guys and gals covered with tattoos and wearing full-dress biker colors. We're talking denim vests that spell out the name of the bike club and display its emblem. One of the vests displays a big, ornate '13' crest, labeled 'Big Buddha.' Really. But that's only the start of what is a little dif- ferent in this biker bar compared to the ones you remember from your misspent youth, or if you've never been to a biker bar, your memories of them from Hell's Angels movies. It gets weirder. The bikers all rode up on bikes. Not Harleys. Bikes. Bicycles. Totally tongued-out, to-die-for, works-of-art Hells Angels bicycles. It is difficult for me to describe them, so I will attach a link to an album of photos them that hopefully will work for you on FFL. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23614id=10424282974l=53e659c361 To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Crop Circles appeared this weekend, and a third crudely made by humans
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Haven't the aliens heard that the Shroud of Turin is a fake? Boy, those guys from the planet Zantar are so easy to fool! Who says it's fake, Buddhists ? :-) --- On Sun, 8/1/10, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Two Crop Circles appeared this weekend, and a third crudely made by humans To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 10:17 AM Wickham Green (North of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July. Map Ref: SU387722 This Page has been accessed Updated Sunday 1st August 2010 AERIAL SHOTS GROUND SHOTS DIAGRAMS FIELD REPORTS COMMENTS ARTICLES 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 01/08/10 31/07/10 Could this be a Revelation? Well here is the coincidence. Young Madelien from the Netherlands takes her first flight in the UK to see the formation near Wickham on the south side of the M4 motorway and she discovers another sister circle to the north of the M4. Some are seeing a religious aspect to this formation that being animage of the head of Christ. There are also links being drawn to the image in the Turin shroud. Certainly this has been a genuine surprise to us all as we thought there was only one formation in the Wickham area that being on the south of the M4. A mystifying event indeed. Julian Gibsone (Director of the Crop Circle Connector's DVD's) Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK Bottom One North of M4 Images Madelien Scholten Copyright 2010 CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2010 Wickham Green (South of M4), nr Hungerford, Berkshire. Reported 30th July. Map Ref: SU393720 This Page has been accessed Updated Saturday 31st July 2010 AERIAL SHOTS GROUND SHOTS DIAGRAMS FIELD REPORTS COMMENTS ARTICLES 31/07/10 31/07/10 01/08/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 31/07/10 Discuss this circle on Facebook CIRCLE CHASERS ON FACEBOOK Top one South of M4 Images Madelien Scholten Copyright 2010 CLICK HERE FOR THE LATEST CROP CIRCLE CONNECTOR DVD Images Frank Laumen Copyright 2010
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: --- On Sun, 8/1/10, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: From: seventhray1 steve.sun...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 1:43 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Interpol isn't called in and the FBI as well, You know as well as I that once all the dust settles, it will be discovered that the Vatican is behind it. May also come out that the Vatican holds the title for the entire United Statess. That tidbit could surface at the same time. And Dan Brown will write a book about it which will be turned into a movie staring Tom Hanks and some beautiful French actress Isn't that redundant? and then all the Jews in Hollywood will make billions. IT'S ALWAYS THE DAMN JEWS BEHIND EVERYTHING!! I bet they're even making those crop circles that make Nabs slightly turgid. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This may come from your experiences of your program that give you more confidence that Maharishi was teaching something profound enough to warrant his grand claim of his unique role in history. I am not clear as to why M's role in history has any importance. Whether his teachings take you where you want to go is the only relevant issue, IMO. My dad is strong than your dad -- which is at the root of any quest to unravel historical role -- got tiring at about age 5 for most.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: I am not clear as to why M's role in history has any importance. Whether his teachings take you where you want to go is the only relevant issue, IMO. Not the only issue when it comes to spiritual teachers. How do you know where you want to go? What if the places you could go are labeled A to Z and you wound up with a famous teacher who knew about and could help you get as far as 'G' but no further. It seems to me that almost by definition a seeker in that situation and who commits to this famous teacher is never going to learn that H through Z even exist, much less have a choice as to whether they want to go there. Now imagine a less famous teacher who is familiar with and can both describe and get you to the full range of experiences from A through Z. Wouldn't you theoretically be better off with a totally unknown teacher like that than you would be with a world-class teacher in the eyes of world history who only knew about A through G?
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Seems to me his role in history would be more accidental than anything else. He was a vehicle for the knowledge to come out. If I believe it's what he said it was, it's been around as long as human beans, and Nature/the gunas determined when and by what means it was time for it to be recognized again. I'm confused by this. Is this a belief you hold What probability do you assign to it as true? Based on the Gita, first of all. I assign it a fairly high probability, enough to make it part of my working hypothesis; can't say I beLEEEVE it (or much of anything else metaphysical), though. This gets to the heart of our differing views on epistemology. For me it seems like a pretty big contradiction to place a high probability on something but not being able to say you believe in it. I don't understand that. My beliefs are shaped by probability, they are connected. So for me high probability of things being true is accompanied by more substantial belief. Well, I'm not sure how to explain it to you. For me, an abstract metaphysical premise can never be anything more than a working hypothesis, pretty much by definition. As far as competing metaphysical premises are concerned, I can assign probabilities among them according to what makes most sense to me intellectually without promoting the one I accord the highest probability to the status of belief. For other types of premises, it works differently, since there can be more or less actual evidence for them. I'm not sure how you make the move from the beautiful work of literature (Mahabharata) describing the human condition brilliantly to it being a literal roadmap of how the world actually works in a grander scheme. And I don't know how you can equate an abstract metaphysical premise to a literal roadmap except as a slightly sleazy attempt at a sort of guilt-by-association with scriptural literalism. You don't come across as a scripture believer so I'm not sure how you could base anything of the nature of the rise and fall of knowledge on the Gita. The Gita citation was for your reference. That particular premise is hardly limited to the Gita, or Hinduism or the Vedic tradition, for that matter. As I say, it makes intellectual sense to me, given my choice of optimism as an approach to life. Or how you jump to Maharishi as the dude. One of many such dudes. THE dude only at this particular point in history. This may come from your experiences of your program that give you more confidence that Maharishi was teaching something profound enough to warrant his grand claim of his unique role in history. ??? Not even he made that claim. And even as one of many such dudes throughout history, IMHO he was drafted, as were they, according to the premise. I give him credit only for doing his damndest to fulfill the requirements of the position for which he was drafted. Your next paragraph may help me understand how you are putting this together. It's a function of an attitude I choose to hold that it's not all going to go down the tubes. Sounds like a false alternative to me. I don't see how Maharishi being wrong about his elevated role in human history has anything to do with things going down the tubes. I'm betting on human ingenuity for my optimism in life. Let's backtrack: My attitude that it isn't all going to go down the tubes leads me to accord probability to the metaphysical premise that the knowledge of how to keep it from going down the tubes keeps getting revived when things become really bad. Has nothing to do with MMY's perceived role. The salient issue is whether what he was teaching was this knowledge. I think it was, but, once again, I don't give him any credit for being the dude who revived it--or through whom it was revived-- this time around. As to human ingenuity, I think the knowledge fosters and facilitates it, so to me that's a false dichotomy. I could be wrong, but I prefer to live as an optimist in that regard. I don't view this as a function of optimism unless you have put all your eggs in this basket for hope. Not following you here. Which basket? Although I am not a fan of epistemological hedonism (if it feels good it is a valuable belief) Not so much hedonism as a matter of what gets you through the night, an alternative to hopelessness and despair. snip
[FairfieldLife] Tibetans and Nazis (was Re: Robes of Silk...)
Yep, an interesting article - I read it yesterday and neverrealized it was on his website. It fits under Shambhala mythology. Nabs assertion about a horde of Tibetans committing mass suicide or being shot by Soviet troops in May of 1945 is just pure bullshit fantasy. This story was made up by post-war occultists needing to invent a mystery to talk about. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: An interesting bit of background and history. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: The Nazi Connection with Shambhala and Tibet Alexander Berzin May 2003 [This article is also available in Slovenian translation.] Introduction Many high-ranking members of the Nazi regime, including Hitler, but especially Himmler and Hess, held convoluted occult beliefs. Prompted by those beliefs, the Germans sent an official expedition to Tibet between 1938 and 1939 at the invitation of the Tibetan Government to attend the Losar (New Year) celebrations. Tibet had suffered a long history of Chinese attempts to annex it and British failure to prevent the aggression or to protect Tibet. Under Stalin, the Soviet Union was severely persecuting Buddhism, specifically the Tibetan form as practiced among the Mongols within its borders and in its satellite, the People's Republic of Mongolia (Outer Mongolia). In contrast, Japan was upholding Tibetan Buddhism in Inner Mongolia, which it had annexed as part of Manchukuo, its puppet state in Manchuria. Claiming that Japan was Shambhala, the Imperial Government was trying to win the support of the Mongols under its rule for an invasion of Outer Mongolia and Siberia to create a pan-Mongol confederation under Japanese protection. The Tibetan Government was exploring the possibility of also gaining protection from Japan in the face of the unstable situation. Japan and Germany had signed an Anti-Commintern Pact in 1936, declaring their mutual hostility toward the spread of international Communism. The invitation for the visit of an official delegation from Nazi Germany was extended in this context. In August 1939, shortly after the German expedition to Tibet, Hitler broke his pact with Japan and signed the Nazi-Soviet Pact. In September, the Soviets defeated the Japanese who had invaded Outer Mongolia in May. Subsequently, nothing ever materialized from the Japanese and German contacts with the Tibetan Government. [For more detail, see: Russian and Japanese Involvement with Pre-Communist Tibet: The Role of the Shambhala Legend.] Several postwar writers on the Occult have asserted that Buddhism and the legend of Shambhala played a role in the German-Tibetan official contact. Let us examine the issue. The Myths of Thule and Vril The first element of Nazi occult beliefs was in the mythic land of Hyperborea-Thule. Just as Plato had cited the Egyptian legend of the sunken island of Atlantis, Herodotus mentioned the Egyptian legend of the continent of Hyperborea in the far north. When ice destroyed this ancient land, its people migrated south. Writing in 1679, the Swedish author Olaf Rudbeck identified the Atlanteans with the Hyperboreans and located the latter at the North Pole. According to several accounts, Hyperborea split into the islands of Thule and Ultima Thule, which some people identified with Iceland and Greenland. The second ingredient was the idea of a hollow earth. At the end of the seventeenth century, the British astronomer Sir Edmund Halley first suggested that the earth was hollow, consisting of four concentric spheres. The hollow earth theory fired many people's imaginations, especially with the publication in 1864 of French novelist Jules Verne's Voyage to the Center of the Earth. Soon, the concept of vril appeared. In 1871, British novelist Edward Bulwer-Lytton, in The Coming Race, described a superior race, the Vril-ya, who lived beneath the earth and planned to conquer the world with vril, a psychokinetic energy. The French author Louis Jacolliot furthered the myth in Les Fils de Dieu (The Sons of God) (1873) and Les Traditions indo-européeenes (The Indo-European Traditions) (1876). In these books, he linked vril with the subterranean people of Thule. The Thuleans will harness the power of vril to become supermen and rule the world. The German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) also emphasized the concept of the Übermensch (superman) and began his work, Der Antichrist (The Antichrist) (1888) with the line, Let us see ourselves for what we are. We are Hyperboreans. We know well enough how we are living off that track. Although Nietzsche never mentioned vril, yet in his posthumously published collection of aphorisms, Der Wille zur Macht (The Will to Power), he emphasized the role of an internal force for superhuman development. He wrote that the herd, meaning common persons, strives for security within
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I am not clear as to why M's role in history has any importance. Whether his teachings take you where you want to go is the only relevant issue, IMO. Not the only issue when it comes to spiritual teachers. How do you know where you want to go? What if the places you could go are labeled A to Z and you wound up with a famous teacher who knew about and could help you get as far as 'G' but no further. It seems to me that almost by definition a seeker in that situation and who commits to this famous teacher is never going to learn that H through Z even exist, much less have a choice as to whether they want to go there. Now imagine a less famous teacher who is familiar with and can both describe and get you to the full range of experiences from A through Z. Wouldn't you theoretically be better off with a totally unknown teacher like that than you would be with a world-class teacher in the eyes of world history who only knew about A through G? So you should go with the teacher who makes the most extravagant claims about how far he or she can take you?
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [CURTIS WROTE:] This may come from your experiences of your program that give you more confidence that Maharishi was teaching something profound enough to warrant his grand claim of his unique role in history. I am not clear as to why M's role in history has any importance. Whether his teachings take you where you want to go is the only relevant issue, IMO. Note that the attribution to Curtis got dropped. I agree with you 100 percent. My dad is strong than your dad -- which is at the root of any quest to unravel historical role -- got tiring at about age 5 for most.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterbikers
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: And I hope you kicked the shit out each and every one of them in the true spirit of the AMERICAN Hell's Angels! I considered it, but some of the women looked pretty tough. Do these Amsterbikers pay attention to laws of the road unlike many of the US bicycle geeks who often run stop signs or use the bike lane going the wrong way where motorists emerging from side streets won't be expecting them?
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I am not clear as to why M's role in history has any importance. Whether his teachings take you where you want to go is the only relevant issue, IMO. Not the only issue when it comes to spiritual teachers. How do you know where you want to go? What if the places you could go are labeled A to Z and you wound up with a famous teacher who knew about and could help you get as far as 'G' but no further. It seems to me that almost by definition a seeker in that situation and who commits to this famous teacher is never going to learn that H through Z even exist, much less have a choice as to whether they want to go there. Now imagine a less famous teacher who is familiar with and can both describe and get you to the full range of experiences from A through Z. Wouldn't you theoretically be better off with a totally unknown teacher like that than you would be with a world-class teacher in the eyes of world history who only knew about A through G? By using the term where you want to go I was trying to transcend the use of loaded terms enlightenment, extra-special enlightenment and double-secret probationary enlightenment (for AH fans). Part of the great / greatest teacher syndrome (and trap, IMO) is to let the teacher define the place you want to go. Not to say that at age and experience milestones, one might change, expand, supersize or reality- base (aka diminish) their vision of where they want to go. And at that time, a new assessment of teachers is warranted. You took me to here, and I am grateful, and now with that expanded horizon, let me see who and what is out there. It may be you, it may be an unknown, it may be my own inner intelligence, intuition and 'soul power' (Otis scored huge on that one). I think, humbly IMO, that many stayed way to long in the TMO because they lost the guidepost of where I want to go with I want to be part of this amazing, once every 100,000 years transitional movement, and attain having been there status and knowledge (all petty relative knowledge and ego things). For many, TM was initially seen as a vehicle for a clearer mind, stronger body and being more in the flow of things -- less uptight. TM did that for many -- though clearly there is appears to be a hidden reverse button that some seemed to have mistakenly pushed. In my mid teens, I wanted Super Mind, Being one with the Universe, Beyond Ego and World Peace. I would have been better off I think taking a long hard look at my progress after several years in the TMO -- (beyond inner parroted pep talks of how amazing this all waas)instead of running off to courses and before that, spending every spare minute putting up posters and putting labels on newsletters. Still, the courses were good in themselves -- but they also closed off many roads untaken. If a teacher says I can take you from A-Z and I have only barely heard of F -- and nothing beyond, I am quite vulnerable to manipulation and cow herding if I get too buzzed up about Z -- with no outside (teacher, movement) perspective and life experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterbikers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: And I hope you kicked the shit out each and every one of them in the true spirit of the AMERICAN Hell's Angels! I considered it, but some of the women looked pretty tough. Do these Amsterbikers pay attention to laws of the road unlike many of the US bicycle geeks who often run stop signs or use the bike lane going the wrong way where motorists emerging from side streets won't be expecting them? Your American-ism is beginning to show, Bhairitu. What you describe could only happen there in America, never here. The Netherlands is essentially a bicycle culture. *Motorists* are the afterthought in that traffic universe. What, after all, do they matter, trapped inside their steel boxes spewing chemicals into the air? If they had any cojones or sense of their real place in the universe, they'd be on two wheels, like us, pedaling their asses all over town. :-) Really, dude. It's a different world. I drove here from Spain, so I can attest to (contrary to what you might imagine) the French being the best auto drivers in the world. Predictable, rule-following, and with a sense of all of the other traffic on the road with them at all times. France is a total *delight* to drive in. Cross the border into Belgium and it all changes. Amazing. Well, it's the same here with bicycles. No one uses a car here unless there is no other alternative. And if you own a bike, there is almost always an alternative. I meet 40- and 50- year-old Amsterdammers who have never driven a car, and who never see any reason to do so. Weird, for a guy brought up in America. I was never *without* a car, from the time I was sixteen to the time I was 57 and moved to Paris. Living there cured me of my need for a car, but did not swing me over into the world of bicycles; I relied on the excellent public transportation. Here in Holland, I'm finally getting into the bike thing. WAY different mindset. WAY different way to live one's life, and to cruise through life. I'm liking biking around Holland a LOT. Seeing this group of people at the cafe today tripping out on olde American Hells Angels movies and acting out that eccentricity by tonguing out some of the coolest bicycles I've ever seen is just gravy. Here pretty much everyone travels by bicycle. That's a done deal. The issue is how much style you display while on the road.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
Just proving, yet again, what a dishonest troll Richard Williams (WillyTex) is. cardemaister: Maybe so, but I find him quite entertaining. E.g, he's got a nice sentence rhythm, or whatever! They don't understand my sense of humor! Now all I have to do is figure out how to post 51 times in one week without getting my posting rights suspended! Alex are you reading this? LOL!
[FairfieldLife] 'Why All Religions are: Moronic, Psychotic and Pig-Headed!'
I didn't mean to single out just the Mormon religion, for being Moronic,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterbikers
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: And I hope you kicked the shit out each and every one of them in the true spirit of the AMERICAN Hell's Angels! I considered it, but some of the women looked pretty tough. Do these Amsterbikers pay attention to laws of the road unlike many of the US bicycle geeks who often run stop signs or use the bike lane going the wrong way where motorists emerging from side streets won't be expecting them? Your American-ism is beginning to show, Bhairitu. What you describe could only happen there in America, never here. The Netherlands is essentially a bicycle culture. *Motorists* are the afterthought in that traffic universe. What, after all, do they matter, trapped inside their steel boxes spewing chemicals into the air? If they had any cojones or sense of their real place in the universe, they'd be on two wheels, like us, pedaling their asses all over town. :-) Really, dude. It's a different world. I drove here from Spain, so I can attest to (contrary to what you might imagine) the French being the best auto drivers in the world. Predictable, rule-following, and with a sense of all of the other traffic on the road with them at all times. France is a total *delight* to drive in. Cross the border into Belgium and it all changes. Amazing. Well, it's the same here with bicycles. No one uses a car here unless there is no other alternative. And if you own a bike, there is almost always an alternative. I meet 40- and 50- year-old Amsterdammers who have never driven a car, and who never see any reason to do so. Weird, for a guy brought up in America. I was never *without* a car, from the time I was sixteen to the time I was 57 and moved to Paris. Living there cured me of my need for a car, but did not swing me over into the world of bicycles; I relied on the excellent public transportation. Here in Holland, I'm finally getting into the bike thing. WAY different mindset. WAY different way to live one's life, and to cruise through life. I'm liking biking around Holland a LOT. Seeing this group of people at the cafe today tripping out on olde American Hells Angels movies and acting out that eccentricity by tonguing out some of the coolest bicycles I've ever seen is just gravy. Here pretty much everyone travels by bicycle. That's a done deal. The issue is how much style you display while on the road. I used to have a bike too but I knew enough to not be flippant about rules of the road (or you can get hurt --- badly). A neighbor was killed last fall on his bike. They finally found out who hit him and recently when he came before the judge he didn't cop a plea which means it may come to trial and though he split the scene he may say because they guy came from out of nowhere at dusk possibly running a stop sign. When I was pulling out from a blind corner here an idiot on a bike came down the street in the bike lane (there are two bike lanes on the street appropriately marked for direction). I was waiting for traffic to turn but wouldn't have been able to see him if that traffic had cleared a little earlier. I've seen a riding group scream at member who ran a stop sign. I've wanted to ask the local cops if they ticket the wrong way riders. They would probably tell me the rider often don't carry valid enough id to write a ticket. Is Amsterdam flat? I've only been to the airport but seems what I've see of the city it is. Also you'd have a lot more cyclists if gas costs in the US what it does there plus a lot more public transportation. But you lived in California which is not well set up for much of anything but cars. But I'm seeing more and more smart cars around here but can't see much difference mileage wise in owning one of those over a Toyota small cars or Honda Fit. And for the record I wouldn't want to drive in India. You leave that up to the pros. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting for Brian
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drpetersutphen drpetersutphen@ wrote: I missed this post. And apparently didn't read it when you did see it. Every one of the commenters Brian quotes--and Brian himself--pointed out that the study couldn't be taken as conclusive because the sample size was too small to be statistically significant. They all said further study would be needed. This research means nothing because it is methodologically flawed. How were the measures taken? What was the control period. Well, actually you don't know whether it was methodologically flawed, other than the small sample size, because Brian didn't say how the measures were taken (although he did explain the control period; apparently you didn't read that part). You have to *know what the methodology was* before you can say whether it was flawed. Anyone with even a little training in doing this type of research will see huge holes in it. Again, other than the small sample size, they won't see huge holes in it from this post because the post doesn't give any of the methodological details. You can tell from the post that the study is methodologically flawed beyond any sample size problem.For example, according to the post people knew when the so called control period ran and what was the period people were meditating--the research wasn't blinded. For goodness sakes, they used the police recreation club! Everybody had to know the meditators were in town. If they had reported bang up positive results I would question them because of the defective design. The community may have put more police on the streets when the meditators were in town. Or people could have been on good behavior because company was around. I would be especially concerned about confounding variables because the post quoted by you and Peter said: I compiled this list for a proposal to the Bermuda Police Commissioner when I was living there. He was so impressed with the research he offered in-kind support from the Bermuda Police for a demonstration of the Maharishi Effect. Correlation research is problematic anyway. They just added to the problems with their poor design. And that is just one glaring problem. There are others as well. Another example, which is raised in the linked materials, is that the crime rate in the area is to small to yield statistically significant results in a short time period. If that is the case they should have known that going in and thus the design was flawed for that reason alone. Any number of things could have occurred to confound the results. No conclusions can be drawn about anything, not even as a pilot study worthy of further research. It doesn't even rise to the level of being inconclusive. Well, I am off again after a quick check-in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
Has it been translated into english yet? I'd love to read it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eingegerd eingeg...@... wrote: I wander if you have read the last book from Conny Larsson The Beatles, Maharishi och Jag - give som inside information about MMY and hos life behind the screen. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' I see that Rick Archer refuses to see the book as anything but a concotion of thoughts from a pshycic reader who probably have a bit of a problem with the difference between reality, wishful thinking and pshycic influences. I see that Nabby continues to comment on a book he hasn't read. Unlike you I don't read books by self-proclaimed pshycic readers channeling nonsense and wishful thinking. Do you read books by Benjamin Crème? Judith's book is not channeled.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
Your coming unglued in public isn't necessary and it isn't pretty either. Tom: Actually, it's the crime against Nature, FFL, which would get the axe for having copywrited material. Not if it's posted for educational purposes, Tom, to show how a midget looks sitting next to a truck-size girl! Don't forget the 'fair-use' clause'. So, I wonder who does own the copyright to the photo? It's not Judith because she was in the photo. She doesn't even list any photo credits in the book. Yes, I agree that it would be much more instructional if Judith had published a photo of herself naked on top of the midget guru, but that would hardly be revealing, except for the size of her huge ass, because nobody could see the midget underneath - I mean, it could have been Jerry under there or even Ms Pittman underneath! So, it's a good thing to see them sitting at the dinning room table doing it sitting up. That way, you can actually see just how big the truck girl is compared to the midget guru. To think Willy did the deed! Now you're getting really personal - I've never even met Ms Jemima Pittman. It's just too bad that Joe made such a fuss and tried to be the police, so now you'll have to buy the book for $37.00 to see the photo. You can blame Joe for that - all I was doing was trying to be helpful and give Judith's book a little free publicity, but Joe came unglued. Thanks, Joe, you really did a service to the FFL informants, you fukin' snitch! It makes you wonder though - Joe did you ever meet up with Judith or Conny at a TTC? Joe sure seems to be protective of Judith. Go figure. Judith says she was maybe at the Estes Park TTC, doing it in Maharishi's bedroom on at least one occasion when Ms Pittman wasn't peeping and looking in the bedroom door - but apparently Judith wasn't at the reunion, according to Rick. And I've got nothing against that truck- size girl, Judith. But why did she have to be so mean to Ms Pittman and Jerry?
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
Those places are defined by accepted scripture ... Upanishads, Bhag.Gita and Brahma Sutras for Kevala Vedanta. Scriptural references are the common norm when discussing a tradition even if others do not accept them, such as Buddhists or Turqs. MMY was not a scholar and provided little to found his claims, except some BhG references. The 7 stages of Mukti found in Yogavasishta and Jivanmuktiviveka are not the same as his own 7 state of Consciousness. If you just depend upon what some teacher says without checking it against the tradition he claims to represent then then you have not done your due diligence and are just engaging in a belief system. For this you get only the results of that belief system. although they will tell you, you're not pure enough ... first deserve, then desire. Ever heard that one? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: I am not clear as to why M's role in history has any importance. Whether his teachings take you where you want to go is the only relevant issue, IMO. Not the only issue when it comes to spiritual teachers. How do you know where you want to go? What if the places you could go are labeled A to Z and you wound up with a famous teacher who knew about and could help you get as far as 'G' but no further. It seems to me that almost by definition a seeker in that situation and who commits to this famous teacher is never going to learn that H through Z even exist, much less have a choice as to whether they want to go there. Now imagine a less famous teacher who is familiar with and can both describe and get you to the full range of experiences from A through Z. Wouldn't you theoretically be better off with a totally unknown teacher like that than you would be with a world-class teacher in the eyes of world history who only knew about A through G? By using the term where you want to go I was trying to transcend the use of loaded terms enlightenment, extra-special enlightenment and double-secret probationary enlightenment (for AH fans). Part of the great / greatest teacher syndrome (and trap, IMO) is to let the teacher define the place you want to go. Not to say that at age and experience milestones, one might change, expand, supersize or reality- base (aka diminish) their vision of where they want to go. And at that time, a new assessment of teachers is warranted. You took me to here, and I am grateful, and now with that expanded horizon, let me see who and what is out there. It may be you, it may be an unknown, it may be my own inner intelligence, intuition and 'soul power' (Otis scored huge on that one). I think, humbly IMO, that many stayed way to long in the TMO because they lost the guidepost of where I want to go with I want to be part of this amazing, once every 100,000 years transitional movement, and attain having been there status and knowledge (all petty relative knowledge and ego things). For many, TM was initially seen as a vehicle for a clearer mind, stronger body and being more in the flow of things -- less uptight. TM did that for many -- though clearly there is appears to be a hidden reverse button that some seemed to have mistakenly pushed. In my mid teens, I wanted Super Mind, Being one with the Universe, Beyond Ego and World Peace. I would have been better off I think taking a long hard look at my progress after several years in the TMO -- (beyond inner parroted pep talks of how amazing this all waas)instead of running off to courses and before that, spending every spare minute putting up posters and putting labels on newsletters. Still, the courses were good in themselves -- but they also closed off many roads untaken. If a teacher says I can take you from A-Z and I have only barely heard of F -- and nothing beyond, I am quite vulnerable to manipulation and cow herding if I get too buzzed up about Z -- with no outside (teacher, movement) perspective and life experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
I wouldn't be surprised if Interpol isn't called in and the FBI as well, seventhray: You know as well as I that once all the dust settles, it will be discovered that the Vatican is behind it. Don't you hate that midget guru! May also come out that the Vatican holds the title for the entire United Statess. That tidbit could surface at the same time. Right, and the Pope is actually the Administrator of MUM and the Chief Moderator of FFL. Is this some kind of a set-up, Rick? We already know that Joe is on Judith's legal counsel and we know how much he hates the midget guru and all the guru's supporters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
I wouldn't be surprised if Interpol isn't called in and the FBI as well, You know as well as I that once all the dust settles, it will be discovered that the Vatican is behind it... Peter: And Dan Brown will write a book about it which will be turned into a movie staring Tom Hanks and some beautiful French actress... This is already being done, Pete. The script is being written by Ned Wynn and Casey. From what I've heard, it is really juicy. It will make Satya Sai Baba sexcapapdes look like child's play (no pun intended). Joe and Judith already supplied about as many sleazy notes as they will need for a good movie, but we can always use more, especially about the sexual relations between Ms Pittman and Nada Kishore. That's an untold story that Conny has yet to reveal.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting for Brian
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, drpetersutphen drpetersutphen@ wrote: I missed this post. And apparently didn't read it when you did see it. Every one of the commenters Brian quotes--and Brian himself--pointed out that the study couldn't be taken as conclusive because the sample size was too small to be statistically significant. They all said further study would be needed. This research means nothing because it is methodologically flawed. How were the measures taken? What was the control period. Well, actually you don't know whether it was methodologically flawed, other than the small sample size, because Brian didn't say how the measures were taken (although he did explain the control period; apparently you didn't read that part). You have to *know what the methodology was* before you can say whether it was flawed. Anyone with even a little training in doing this type of research will see huge holes in it. Again, other than the small sample size, they won't see huge holes in it from this post because the post doesn't give any of the methodological details. You can tell from the post that the study is methodologically flawed beyond any sample size problem. For example, according to the post people knew when the so called control period ran and what was the period people were meditating--the research wasn't blinded. For goodness sakes, they used the police recreation club! Everybody had to know the meditators were in town. Right, so all the criminals might have been on their best behavior during the demonstration period and then very busy during the control period. Sure, Ruth. If they had reported bang up positive results I would question them because of the defective design. The community may have put more police on the streets when the meditators were in town. Or people could have been on good behavior because company was around. I have to say, this is the first I've ever heard that argument used against an ME study. It almost beats the one about how ME projects were unethical because they didn't obtain the informed consent of the population being studied. (Come to think of it, the two negate each other. Oh, well.) Typically, police forces are highly skeptical of any such crime-reduction approach. If anything, they'd be expected to want to sabotage it, not help it succeed. That the police commissioner in this case was in favor of it is highly unusual, but since the perceived *need* for such an approach doesn't reflect well on his department's policing abilities, I'd be dubious he was able to get the rest of the force behind him. I would be especially concerned about confounding variables because the post quoted by you and Peter said: I compiled this list for a proposal to the Bermuda Police Commissioner when I was living there. He was so impressed with the research he offered in-kind support from the Bermuda Police for a demonstration of the Maharishi Effect. Correlation research is problematic anyway. They just added to the problems with their poor design. And that is just one glaring problem. There are others as well. Mmm-hmmm. Got any others that could actually be determined from what was posted? Another example, which is raised in the linked materials, is that the crime rate in the area is to small to yield statistically significant results in a short time period. Right, which all the folks quoted, Brian, Peter, and I mentioned. What I said was that *aside* from that one, you couldn't tell what the flaws were, you see. I was NOT arguing that the project showed anything hopeful. I don't believe that even if the ME exists, it could ever be demonstrated scientifically. My point was that Peter declared the methodology flawed *without knowing anything about the methodology*. And now you've joined him. If that is the case they should have known that going in and thus the design was flawed for that reason alone. Any number of things could have occurred to confound the results. Which is why I don't think a scientific demonstration is possible, no matter how sound the study design. No conclusions can be drawn about anything, Including whether the study design had any flaws. not even as a pilot study worthy of further research. It doesn't even rise to the level of being inconclusive. Not sure that's even possible. Bit of derisive hyperbole based on facts not in evidence. Well, I am off again after a quick check-in. Yes, leave fast, before anybody can challenge you!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Interpol isn't called in and the FBI as well, You know as well as I that once all the dust settles, it will be discovered that the Vatican is behind it... Peter: And Dan Brown will write a book about it which will be turned into a movie staring Tom Hanks and some beautiful French actress... This is already being done, Pete. The script is being written by Ned Wynn and Casey. From what I've heard, it is really juicy. It will make Satya Sai Baba sexcapapdes look like child's play (no pun intended). Joe and Judith already supplied about as many sleazy notes as they will need for a good movie, but we can always use more, especially about the sexual relations between Ms Pittman and Nada Kishore. That's an untold story that Conny has yet to reveal. And not a word of it would either repudiate (or 'refudiate,' if you're a Sarah Palin fan) or substantiate TM's worth or what it managed to accomplish during its stay on planet Earth. Spiritual trips come. Spiritual trips go. Call me an elitist, but IMO only those trips whose stories are still being told more than three centuries later are worth paying attention to. A TM Tell-All movie would come out in 2011, be ignored by the majority of critics, and would fade into obscurity-nearing-the-level-of-never- having-existed before 2011 dawned. In this world -- Reality as it is -- there is sim- ply neither enough gold nor enough sensationalist pandering-to-the-media dross in the TMO to make it the subject of a best-seller. In books, or in the movie theaters. Face it. The TMO was boring. Pedes- trian and bourgeoisie it began, and pedestrian and bourgeoisie it will end. Who, after all, would pay to see their own daily lives depicted onscreen, only more restricted by antiquated belief systems than they already make them? The cinema is about imagining something *better* than one's ordinary life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
Unfortunately the West is too preoccupied with Taliban as to keep an eye on these groups of Buddhists... Pete: Where are they? This just goes to show how much Turq knows about Tibetan history. Everyone knows that the ancient Bon religion in Tibet was founded by Shenrab, a Buddhist, who came to Po from Shamballah, BEFORE the arrival of Guru Padmasambhava. Jesus, why don't any of you sadhus read history books? Go figure. Where is emptybill when I need him?
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Seems to me his role in history would be more accidental than anything else. He was a vehicle for the knowledge to come out. If I believe it's what he said it was, it's been around as long as human beans, and Nature/the gunas determined when and by what means it was time for it to be recognized again. I'm confused by this. Is this a belief you hold What probability do you assign to it as true? Based on the Gita, first of all. I assign it a fairly high probability, enough to make it part of my working hypothesis; can't say I beLEEEVE it (or much of anything else metaphysical), though. This gets to the heart of our differing views on epistemology. For me it seems like a pretty big contradiction to place a high probability on something but not being able to say you believe in it. I don't understand that. My beliefs are shaped by probability, they are connected. So for me high probability of things being true is accompanied by more substantial belief. Well, I'm not sure how to explain it to you. For me, an abstract metaphysical premise can never be anything more than a working hypothesis, pretty much by definition. As far as competing metaphysical premises are concerned, I can assign probabilities among them according to what makes most sense to me intellectually without promoting the one I accord the highest probability to the status of belief. Thanks for explaining it. We have come to this place before in our discussions about how we view beliefs. I can see that this distinction is working for you even though I can't personally relate to it. For other types of premises, it works differently, since there can be more or less actual evidence for them. I'm not sure how you make the move from the beautiful work of literature (Mahabharata) describing the human condition brilliantly to it being a literal roadmap of how the world actually works in a grander scheme. And I don't know how you can equate an abstract metaphysical premise to a literal roadmap except as a slightly sleazy attempt at a sort of guilt-by-association with scriptural literalism. There is nothing sleazy about taking you at your word. The concept of rise and fall of knowledge and of humans like Maharishi taking the role of reviver IS a literal claim in the literature. And you seem to be taking it literally and giving it a high probability of being true within your subset of pre-belief metaphysical concepts. It is a statement about the world and in this case Maharishi specifically that you are taking literally. Unless you are saying that the rise and fall of knowledge is actually a metaphor for something else. You might not believe that Bhima actually tore a man's thigh off and shoved it down his neck literally, you are picking and choosing. But you were taking this aspect of the literature literally as stated rather than how we usually read literature. Lets take another example of literal interpretations of specific points because this distinction is important for understanding some issues with modern moderate religious people as well. Take Harry Potter. A person might say that the characters of Harry Potter are made up and Hogwart school is a fiction, but the fact of sorcerers battling each other on earth today has a high probability of being true. This statement raises the book from pure fiction to literally giving information about how the world works. Christians like to distance themselves from their more literally minded brothers by saying that they don't believe that EVERYTHING in the Bible is true. They could dismiss the miracles part for example and see them as metaphor teachings for this and that. But if they accept that the Bible DOES in fact give specific knowledge about how believing in Jesus results in staying conscious after death in a special place forever, they are taking THAT claim of the Bible literally. And here is the most important epistemological point for me. They are not showing how they make such distinctions between a statement in the Bible that is literally true and which are metaphors because the Bible presents them equally earnestly as facts. They are giving conclusions without showing their work. So the question arises, how do YOU distinguish a claim in the Gita that there is an actual rise and fall of knowledge and it comes out when times are bad with the claim that Arjuna could shoot a shower of a thousand arrows in the matter of a few moments. For me it is easy. All of it is metaphor as in much great literature. Krishna's talk on the chariot is a beautiful description of dilemmas we face in life between family loyalty and society. Great useful stuff. But because I don't accept Krishna as a literal God coming to earth to clue us all in, I don't take religious assertions
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
book from Conny Larsson.. Joe: Has it been translated into english yet? Don't you think you'd better pay for Judith's book which you already ordered? How long does it take you to read a slim 219 page book, Joe? It took me only twenty minutes to read it before I forwarded it to the TMO lawyer down in Houston. I'd love to read it. For what purpose, Joe? You seem to be really, really interested in Conny Larsson and midget gurus. Why don't you just get your own full-size guru and write a book about him? You could call it 'Call No Midget A Master' or something like that. You probably just want to tack up some pics of Conny on your altar, next to your photo of Judith Bourque and Jemima Pittman, right? For Joe: Conny Larsson, 'God's Little Clown' (Color photo ownership unknown)
[FairfieldLife] 'Will the Suicidal Leaders of Iran back down...'
Mullen says US has Iran strike plan, just in case AP – In this Sunday Aug. 1, 2010, photo released by CBS, Adm. Michael Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs … By ANNE GEARAN, AP National Security Writer Anne Gearan, Ap National Security Writer – 26 mins ago WASHINGTON – The U.S. military has a plan to attack Iran, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Sunday, although he thinks a military strike is probably a bad idea. Not long after Adm. Mike Mullen's aired on a Sunday talk show, the deputy chief of Iran's Revolutionary Guard was quoted as saying there would be a strong Iranian response should the U.S. take military action against his country. Mullen, the highest ranking U.S. military officer, often has warned that a strike on Iran would have serious and unpredictable ripple effects around the Middle East. At the same time, Mullen said the risk of Iran's developing a nuclear weapon is unacceptable, although he would not say which risk he thinks is worse. I think the military options have been on the table and remain on the table, Mullen said on Meet the Press on NBC. It's one of the options that the president has. Again, I hope we don't get to that, but it's an important option and it's one that's well understood. The official Iranian news agency IRNA quoted Revolutionary Guard deputy chief Yadollah Javani as saying Sunday that security in the Persian Gulf would be jeopardized if Americans commit the slightest mistake. The Persian Gulf is a strategic region. If the security of this region is endangered, they will suffer losses too and our response will be firm, Javani said. Iran repeatedly has threatened to target the heart of Tel Aviv, the second-largest city in Israel, should the U.S. or Israel take military action against it. The U.S. and Iran are at odds over the goals of Iran's nuclear program. Iran contends that it's aimed at peaceful uses of nuclear energy while the U.S. claims Iran is gearing up to create a nuclear weapon.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
It will make Satya Sai Baba sexcapapdes look like child's play (no pun intended)... Turq: Who, after all, would pay to see their own daily lives depicted onscreen, only more restricted by antiquated belief systems than they already make them? The cinema is about imagining something *better* than one's ordinary life Better? We're talking entertainment value here Turqy. We're not talking about a factual bio of your TM Teacher or your Zen Master. The movie must include live footage of a midget guru getting screwed over by a truck-size girl. That would be a hit, I think. It's not an everyday circus that has that kind of base entertainment, except maybe in a Sitges Gay Pride Parade under your upstairs apartment window. Those are free for viewing anyway. But the movie would also include lots of film footage of small boy actors getting raped by the Sai Baba, with a scene of Conny peeping out from behind a curtain in the bedroom? Needless to say this would be an 'underground' porn movie and available only on DVD or in a peep store, but it would sell a billion copies I'm sure at $35 or $37, for a one-time view, or $2,500, to actually own it for private viewing on your laptop or home big screen. Joe would buy at least four copies, fer sure! Most of it would be simulated of course, with actors like Rip Torn and Lady Gaga, but look at how many times you've bought and viewed that 'Devil in Miss Jones' movie. I'll admit your midget guru's sex activities were pretty low-key compared to your other guru, the Zen Master Rama, who tried to take a girl along with him when he put on a dog collar and gulped down all those sleeping pills, but we're talking a big, broad survey here. You throw in some Catholic priests getting a blow job at confession, a few clips of an orgy involving a few queers getting into Conny's face, and a shot of Judith's hairy legs, and you've got an underground classic, fer sure! The movie, according to my sources, will not be just about the Marshy and Judith and their sexploits in Switzerland, but will be a broad survey of tantric spirituality in all countries, not just at Vlodrop, NE or Noida, India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
I read the book in Swedish - it is a strong book, describing how MMY betrayed the swedish wealthy Ingegerd, when she lost everything and at last put fire of herself. I knew the background of this story, because I was very close in the TMO at that time - so Connys description is correct. He also describe how the swedish boy, Sten, put himself om fire - because the International TMO did not looked to that he was given professional help, as he needed. But you should read for yourself, when the book is coming out in English. I think Conny is very honest in the story about his life with his gurus. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: I wander if you have read the last book from Conny Larsson The Beatles, Maharishi och Jag - give som inside information about MMY and hos life behind the screen. I haven't read it, is it translated into English? I would love to read anything about MMY and hos life since I know now that his pimp hand was strong and he had many hos up in his crib. I was also fascinated to learn that Maharishi's preferred pimp-mobile was och Jag. I always saw him in tricked out Caddy limos when he was pimp'n large at MIU. But as a mega-large playa it shouldn't surprise me that he would show up on the street in different wheels to make sure his hos weren't eball'n some other wannabe play-a hate-a like dat poser Rajaneesh. He would put the smackdown on his girls bigtime if he saw any of that action goin'n down, sem say'n? Nice to hear you shout out to the FFL homies Ingegerd! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, eingegerd eingegerd@ wrote: I wander if you have read the last book from Conny Larsson The Beatles, Maharishi och Jag - give som inside information about MMY and hos life behind the screen. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' I see that Rick Archer refuses to see the book as anything but a concotion of thoughts from a pshycic reader who probably have a bit of a problem with the difference between reality, wishful thinking and pshycic influences. I see that Nabby continues to comment on a book he hasn't read. Unlike you I don't read books by self-proclaimed pshycic readers channeling nonsense and wishful thinking. Do you read books by Benjamin Crème? Judith's book is not channeled.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterbikers
I don't know. How do you account for the fact that there doesn't look to be enough room for the biker chick. I mean how do get around that small (or sometimes enormous) fact. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I'm just checking in from an Amsterdam Biker Bar on a fairly sunny Sunday afternoon. In a way it's a far more upscale biker bar than those I've been in before, being located in a picturesque corner of the Westerpark and all, but the crowd is similar. Fat 40-ish guys and gals covered with tattoos and wearing full-dress biker colors. We're talking denim vests that spell out the name of the bike club and display its emblem. One of the vests displays a big, ornate '13' crest, labeled 'Big Buddha.' Really. But that's only the start of what is a little dif- ferent in this biker bar compared to the ones you remember from your misspent youth, or if you've never been to a biker bar, your memories of them from Hell's Angels movies. It gets weirder. The bikers all rode up on bikes. Not Harleys. Bikes. Bicycles. Totally tongued-out, to-die-for, works-of-art Hells Angels bicycles. It is difficult for me to describe them, so I will attach a link to an album of photos them that hopefully will work for you on FFL. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23614id=10424282974l=53e659c\ 361
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Seems to me his role in history would be more accidental than anything else. He was a vehicle for the knowledge to come out. If I believe it's what he said it was, it's been around as long as human beans, and Nature/the gunas determined when and by what means it was time for it to be recognized again. I'm confused by this. Is this a belief you hold What probability do you assign to it as true? Based on the Gita, first of all. I assign it a fairly high probability, enough to make it part of my working hypothesis; can't say I beLEEEVE it (or much of anything else metaphysical), though. This gets to the heart of our differing views on epistemology. For me it seems like a pretty big contradiction to place a high probability on something but not being able to say you believe in it. I don't understand that. My beliefs are shaped by probability, they are connected. So for me high probability of things being true is accompanied by more substantial belief. Well, I'm not sure how to explain it to you. For me, an abstract metaphysical premise can never be anything more than a working hypothesis, pretty much by definition. As far as competing metaphysical premises are concerned, I can assign probabilities among them according to what makes most sense to me intellectually without promoting the one I accord the highest probability to the status of belief. Thanks for explaining it. We have come to this place before in our discussions about how we view beliefs. I can see that this distinction is working for you even though I can't personally relate to it. So if you're given a choice of premises about which you have absolutely no way of being even reasonably certain and are asked to pick the one that seems most probable to you intellectually, you're then willing to say you believe in the premise you picked? For other types of premises, it works differently, since there can be more or less actual evidence for them. I'm not sure how you make the move from the beautiful work of literature (Mahabharata) describing the human condition brilliantly to it being a literal roadmap of how the world actually works in a grander scheme. And I don't know how you can equate an abstract metaphysical premise to a literal roadmap except as a slightly sleazy attempt at a sort of guilt-by-association with scriptural literalism. There is nothing sleazy about taking you at your word. Yeah, it's sleazy to suggest that such a highly abstract premise can be taken as a literal road map. At most, it's an arrow pointing away from the tubes. Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. But this one doesn't work either. The concept of rise and fall of knowledge and of humans like Maharishi taking the role of reviver IS a literal claim in the literature. And you seem to be taking it literally and giving it a high probability of being true within your subset of pre-belief metaphysical concepts. Look at what I wrote again to start with. I said nothing about its being a human being that does the reviving. That's only one of any number of possibilities. It is a statement about the world and in this case Maharishi specifically that you are taking literally. Unless you are saying that the rise and fall of knowledge is actually a metaphor for something else. Not really a metaphor per se, just very abstract, an overall tendency in the evolution of the universe, you might say. snip So the question arises, how do YOU distinguish a claim in the Gita that there is an actual rise and fall of knowledge and it comes out when times are bad with the claim that Arjuna could shoot a shower of a thousand arrows in the matter of a few moments. (1) The degree of abstraction; (2) whether the abstraction is found in other systems/traditions. You don't come across as a scripture believer so I'm not sure how you could base anything of the nature of the rise and fall of knowledge on the Gita. The Gita citation was for your reference. That particular premise is hardly limited to the Gita, or Hinduism or the Vedic tradition, for that matter. As I say, it makes intellectual sense to me, given my choice of optimism as an approach to life. Do you mean different prophets of God in different scriptures? Is that what you mean by this idea being found elsewhere? That's one version, yes. The prophet version could be secular as well, the judgment of history. (Some folks accorded Obama such a role.) One of many such dudes. THE dude only at this particular
[FairfieldLife] Re: Robes of Silk, Feet of Clay/Judith Bourque
The real story is about Zhang-Zhung and Udiyana which were the cultures west of Tibet. Both held powerful Buddhist yoga lineages prior to the introduction of Buddhism into Tibet. The Bon which existed in Tibet prior to Padmasambhava was already a heavy mix between Buddhism and Shamanism. This mode of advancing their agend is a feature that Buddhist proselytizers used frequently. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Unfortunately the West is too preoccupied with Taliban as to keep an eye on these groups of Buddhists... Pete: Where are they? This just goes to show how much Turq knows about Tibetan history. Everyone knows that the ancient Bon religion in Tibet was founded by Shenrab, a Buddhist, who came to Po from Shamballah, BEFORE the arrival of Guru Padmasambhava. Jesus, why don't any of you sadhus read history books? Go figure. Where is emptybill when I need him?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterbikers
Do these Amsterbikers pay attention to laws
of the road unlike many of the US bicycle
geeks...
Turq:
Here pretty much everyone travels by bicycle.
That's a done deal. The issue is how much style
you display while on the road...
I spent three years living in England (Woodbridge)
and three years living in Japan (Misawa AFB) as a
military brat, and one year in Guam in the military
myself. I traveled all over Europe and the Far East,
but I couldn't wait to get back to the States.
In Ipswitch I owned an English racing bicycle and
rode it all over, even down to Stonehenge and
Maiden Castle on one occasion. It really sucks
riding in the cold rain on a bicycle on a date!
When I got back to the state the first thing I did
was buy myself a new car ('57 Chevy) and I loved
driving it everyday. What I realized from my
travels is that there no place like driving around
in the United States. But, that's just me YMMV.
Riding on a bicycle is fun for about half an hour -
I own one now for riding down the San Antonio
River Walk, but I couldn't even imagine riding
one up to Austin to attend a live music concert.
Owning a motor vehicle to me is freedom,
enlightened activity even.
No way would I ever want to go back to living a
life of deprivation in Europe or Asia. Go figure.
Current project car:
1995 Cadillac Eldorado
32 Valve Northstar V8
156,000 miles
Leather Interior
Vogue Wheels
Moon Roof, Vinyl Roof
CD - Tape Delco Bose Sound System
New Tires, New Sears Die-Hard Battery, New Delco Starter
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote: Is a work whore like a play whore? A work whore will want to get paid... A play whore just like to have sex, with whomever, whenever... --- On Sat, 7/31/10, Robert babajii...@... wrote: From: Robert babajii...@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'I want to apologize to the group...' To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 11:32 AM I would like to apologize to the group, for using the work 'whore'... As I was thinking it over...In describing this woman, Judith, in that way. And what I really meant to say, is that she reminds me of a 'Siren'... Because in using the word 'whore', I feel to the level of being a sort of siren myself... As I knew it would attract a lot of attention, but that attention was quite negative... And, I'm working on not doing that anymore... I believe that other personalities, that have been discussed on this forum... Such as Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, also use these 'Siren Techniques', to stir up the negative passions of the people... What we call: 'Dog Whistle Words' that are used to lead the people, in 'Sheep-like' herds, Toward the abyss... Just like in 1930's Germany, where the same techniques were used, to take advantage of the desperate economy, of that time, as well as finding a scapegoat, to point the finger at, saying... 'If we destroy these people, all of our problems will be over... And we have experienced the results of that philosophy... So, when we see and hear Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, using these same techniques, In the same way, pointing fingers, and using dog whistle words... We know what will result, if enough of the sheep-like masses follow them. But back to the subject of Judith's book, Since I do not know this woman personally, I had no right to use that dog whistle word, in my description of her... Why Maharishi, would fall prey to her, is beyond my understanding at this point, When he was considered to be a Saint, and Saints are generally beyond that kind of behavior. I would say that Judith, at least waited until after his death, to bring this personal experience with him forward, so I would at least respect her decision to do that... And obviously she felt she needed to get this off her chest, and that is perfectly great that she had the courage to do that. So, again, let me apologize to the group, for attracting this woman, publicly, and I will continue to work on myself to subdue these negative passions, within myself. Robert.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: I would like to apologize to the group, for using the work 'whore'... As I was thinking it over...In describing this woman, Judith, in that way. Good for you, Robert. Thoughtful post. snip Thanks Judy, I apprciate that...God Bless!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Amsterbikers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: I don't know. How do you account for the fact that there doesn't look to be enough room for the biker chick. I mean how do get around that small (or sometimes enormous) fact. Dutch thang, dude. If they were Harleys, the babes would have their own. No riding behind the guys hanging on to their love handles for dear life for Dutch women. Same with the bicycles. Some of the coolest bikes in the photos I posted were ridden by the biker babes in this scenario, not the biker guys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm just checking in from an Amsterdam Biker Bar on a fairly sunny Sunday afternoon. In a way it's a far more upscale biker bar than those I've been in before, being located in a picturesque corner of the Westerpark and all, but the crowd is similar. Fat 40-ish guys and gals covered with tattoos and wearing full-dress biker colors. We're talking denim vests that spell out the name of the bike club and display its emblem. One of the vests displays a big, ornate '13' crest, labeled 'Big Buddha.' Really. But that's only the start of what is a little dif- ferent in this biker bar compared to the ones you remember from your misspent youth, or if you've never been to a biker bar, your memories of them from Hell's Angels movies. It gets weirder. The bikers all rode up on bikes. Not Harleys. Bikes. Bicycles. Totally tongued-out, to-die-for, works-of-art Hells Angels bicycles. It is difficult for me to describe them, so I will attach a link to an album of photos them that hopefully will work for you on FFL. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23614id=10424282974l=53e659c\ 361
[FairfieldLife] Give Piss a Chance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: book from Conny Larsson.. Joe: Has it been translated into english yet? Don't you think you'd better pay for Judith's book which you already ordered? How long does it take you to read a slim 219 page book, Joe? It took me only twenty minutes to read it before I forwarded it to the TMO lawyer down in Houston. I'd love to read it. For what purpose, Joe? You seem to be really, really interested in Conny Larsson and midget gurus. Why don't you just get your own full-size guru and write a book about him? You could call it 'Call No Midget A Master' or something like that. You probably just want to tack up some pics of Conny on your altar, next to your photo of Judith Bourque and Jemima Pittman, right? For Joe: Conny Larsson, 'God's Little Clown' (Color photo ownership unknown)
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: snip So if you're given a choice of premises about which you have absolutely no way of being even reasonably certain and are asked to pick the one that seems most probable to you intellectually, you're then willing to say you believe in the premise you picked? I don't consider the idea of knowledge revivals being brought about by nature to be a premise. It is an imaginative literary device or a religious speculation. So I can't imagine being in a context where I would have to treat them as something I would have to choose to believe. When dealing with works of religion, fiction or art I enjoy them on another level where belief is not the reliant question. I do not believe that Lord Voldimort is really trying to kill a real Harry Potter, but I enjoyed reading about their struggle and can see it as a metaphor for other aspects of life. For other types of premises, it works differently, since there can be more or less actual evidence for them. I'm not sure how you make the move from the beautiful work of literature (Mahabharata) describing the human condition brilliantly to it being a literal roadmap of how the world actually works in a grander scheme. And I don't know how you can equate an abstract metaphysical premise to a literal roadmap except as a slightly sleazy attempt at a sort of guilt-by-association with scriptural literalism. There is nothing sleazy about taking you at your word. Yeah, it's sleazy to suggest that such a highly abstract premise can be taken as a literal road map. At most, it's an arrow pointing away from the tubes. It is a specific claim about actual events in the world it is not abstract for me. The pejorative sleezy has no place in this discussion. There is nothing abstract about thinking that it is highly likely that Maharishi is being used by nature to revive knowledge. It was not only concrete and specific we both paid in cash to learn it. It is far from an abstract premise. Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative when I say that it seems more likely to me that he had a grandiose impression of his importance in history most likely caused by a personality disorder. Considering how many thousands of people in the world have such afflictions and how few become world teachers, I would say your view of him is exponentially more positive. But this one doesn't work either. The concept of rise and fall of knowledge and of humans like Maharishi taking the role of reviver IS a literal claim in the literature. And you seem to be taking it literally and giving it a high probability of being true within your subset of pre-belief metaphysical concepts. Look at what I wrote again to start with. I said nothing about its being a human being that does the reviving. That's only one of any number of possibilities. But we are talking about the specific case of Maharishi's role in the world here. It is a statement about the world and in this case Maharishi specifically that you are taking literally. Unless you are saying that the rise and fall of knowledge is actually a metaphor for something else. Not really a metaphor per se, just very abstract, an overall tendency in the evolution of the universe, you might say. This may make sense to you, but I don't follow. snip So the question arises, how do YOU distinguish a claim in the Gita that there is an actual rise and fall of knowledge and it comes out when times are bad with the claim that Arjuna could shoot a shower of a thousand arrows in the matter of a few moments. (1) The degree of abstraction; (2) whether the abstraction is found in other systems/traditions. You still are not showing your work but of course you don't have to. I don't know how you take the first step into thinking that any of these books might offer reliable information about even abstract concepts. And I'm not sure what criteria you are using to compare them with other systems but I suspect this is a self fulfilling prophesy. The criteria you are sorting for screens out things that sound alike. You don't come across as a scripture believer so I'm not sure how you could base anything of the nature of the rise and fall of knowledge on the Gita. The Gita citation was for your reference. That particular premise is hardly limited to the Gita, or Hinduism or the Vedic tradition, for that matter. As I say, it makes intellectual sense to me, given my choice of
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: For Joe: Conny Larsson, 'God's Little Clown' (Color photo ownership unknown) Yes, please believe everything this clown writes. Particularily about situations where he was not even present. As with Sten Sjoestedt
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.) Well then well have to also agree to disagree with your excessively negative assessment of this discussion. But after getting you to clarify what you were actually saying about your beliefs I feel more confident that people have more information to judge our differing points if they chose to follow them. Asking a person to clarify what they mean is not a debating trick, it is a means to come to a better understanding, which it accomplished for me.
[FairfieldLife] Sten Sjoestedt was: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , WillyTex willy...@... wrote: For Joe: Conny Larsson, 'God's Little Clown' (Color photo ownership unknown) Yes, please believe everything this clown writes. Particularily about situations where he was not even present. As with Sten Sjoestedt Were you present for that? What was the story? Sten and I were good friends.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sten Sjoestedt was: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , WillyTex willytex@ wrote: For Joe: Conny Larsson, 'God's Little Clown' (Color photo ownership unknown) Yes, please believe everything this clown writes. Particularily about situations where he was not even present. As with Sten Sjoestedt Were you present for that? What was the story? Sten and I were good friends. I was there. Sten and I were also friends. I know that what this Conny Clown is writing is an outright lie, as probably most of the other garbage in his book When Sten spaced out he was placed in a bedroom in the basement within hours. He knew that meant that he would be sent home within days. Several years before he told me on a walktalk that being sent home would be death. We knew what he did. The place had at least 10 medical doctors at the time including at least one phyciatrist. It's not that they did not want to do something but that their opinion was that going home for a while would prove to be effective, after an initial period of medication. And they are right, I've seen the effect of going home on 2 people I know. Within a few years at home they were OK again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.) Well then well have to also agree to disagree with your excessively negative assessment of this discussion. But after getting you to clarify what you were actually saying about your beliefs I feel more confident that people have more information to judge our differing points if they chose to follow them. Asking a person to clarify what they mean is not a debating trick, it is a means to come to a better understanding, which it accomplished for me. You asked me to clarify a very straightforward comparison based on our views of MMY as expressed in our posts because you figured you could then play around with the clarification to make the comparison much more complicated than it really was, since you couldn't rebut the simple, straightforward case. You then manipulated the complications to arrive at a conclusion favorable to yourself that was patently absurd in light of the on-the-record evidence of our respective posts expressing our opinions of MMY. That was the overall debating trick, which comprised a bunch of sub-tricks with regard to individual issues arising from the complications. This has been your SOP when you're challenged, Curtis, ever since I first encountered you. You've just gotten much more sophisticated in your manipulations since alt.m.t. The terminology of epistemology and philosophy has significantly expanded your obfuscation toolbox.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
Your meta-talk sounds like scientific empiricism. So is this how you define your music when pressed i.e. it's just some neurons firing? Or rather for you is it a bunch of primate rhythms reified into art by cave-dwelling anthro-s? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.) Well then well have to also agree to disagree with your excessively negative assessment of this discussion. But after getting you to clarify what you were actually saying about your beliefs I feel more confident that people have more information to judge our differing points if they chose to follow them. Asking a person to clarify what they mean is not a debating trick, it is a means to come to a better understanding, which it accomplished for me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
Where did you gain all of this knowledge about whores? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Is a work whore like a play whore? A work whore will want to get paid... A play whore just like to have sex, with whomever, whenever... --- On Sat, 7/31/10, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: From: Robert babajii_99@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'I want to apologize to the group...' To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 11:32 AM I would like to apologize to the group, for using the work 'whore'... As I was thinking it over...In describing this woman, Judith, in that way. And what I really meant to say, is that she reminds me of a 'Siren'... Because in using the word 'whore', I feel to the level of being a sort of siren myself... As I knew it would attract a lot of attention, but that attention was quite negative... And, I'm working on not doing that anymore... I believe that other personalities, that have been discussed on this forum... Such as Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, also use these 'Siren Techniques', to stir up the negative passions of the people... What we call: 'Dog Whistle Words' that are used to lead the people, in 'Sheep-like' herds, Toward the abyss... Just like in 1930's Germany, where the same techniques were used, to take advantage of the desperate economy, of that time, as well as finding a scapegoat, to point the finger at, saying... 'If we destroy these people, all of our problems will be over... And we have experienced the results of that philosophy... So, when we see and hear Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, using these same techniques, In the same way, pointing fingers, and using dog whistle words... We know what will result, if enough of the sheep-like masses follow them. But back to the subject of Judith's book, Since I do not know this woman personally, I had no right to use that dog whistle word, in my description of her... Why Maharishi, would fall prey to her, is beyond my understanding at this point, When he was considered to be a Saint, and Saints are generally beyond that kind of behavior. I would say that Judith, at least waited until after his death, to bring this personal experience with him forward, so I would at least respect her decision to do that... And obviously she felt she needed to get this off her chest, and that is perfectly great that she had the courage to do that. So, again, let me apologize to the group, for attracting this woman, publicly, and I will continue to work on myself to subdue these negative passions, within myself. Robert.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sten Sjoestedt was: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
Wow, that's encouraging Nabby! It only took a couple of friends of yours a few years out of the TMO atmosphere to return to some semblance of sanity again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 5:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'I want to apologize to the group...' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , WillyTex willytex@ wrote: For Joe: Conny Larsson, 'God's Little Clown' (Color photo ownership unknown) Yes, please believe everything this clown writes. Particularily about situations where he was not even present. As with Sten Sjoestedt Were you present for that? What was the story? Sten and I were good friends. I was there. Sten and I were also friends. I know that what this Conny Clown is writing is an outright lie, as probably most of the other garbage in his book When Sten spaced out he was placed in a bedroom in the basement within hours. He knew that meant that he would be sent home within days. Several years before he told me on a walktalk that being sent home would be death. We knew what he did. The place had at least 10 medical doctors at the time including at least one phyciatrist. It's not that they did not want to do something but that their opinion was that going home for a while would prove to be effective, after an initial period of medication. And they are right, I've seen the effect of going home on 2 people I know. Within a few years at home they were OK again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sten Sjoestedt was: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfr...@... wrote: Wow, that's encouraging Nabby! It only took a couple of friends of yours a few years out of the TMO atmosphere to return to some semblance of sanity again. It was heavy rounding up to 14 hours a day that made some overly sensible souls space out. Not what you call the TMO atmosphere.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Those places are defined by accepted scripture ... Upanishads, Bhag.Gita and Brahma Sutras for Kevala Vedanta. Scriptural references are the common norm when discussing a tradition even if others do not accept them, such as Buddhists or Turqs. MMY was not a scholar and provided little to found his claims, except some BhG references. The 7 stages of Mukti found in Yogavasishta and Jivanmuktiviveka are not the same as his own 7 state of Consciousness. What were these seven states? If you just depend upon what some teacher says without checking it against the tradition he claims to represent then then you have not done your due diligence and are just engaging in a belief system. For this you get only the results of that belief system. although they will tell you, you're not pure enough ... first deserve, then desire. Actually, outside of this discussion, I think deservingness is a key concept. Everything is an unfolding of karma (prarabdha). Name one event in ones life, or the universe, that is not the unfolding of karma. Karma is another name for deservingness. The debate, as I skimingly follow -- I may have it wrong -- about whether M and TMO was Nature's desire -- can be seen in a clearer light from the view of karma (and I know some don't accept that actions have reactions -- so this argument is not relevant for their world view). It turns out that about two million people around 1967-1982 had the karma to be introduced to a simple, westernized meditation technique. Rapid growth in the TMO and other groups happened, coinciding with the the deservingness of those several million people (on the level of white-noise in terms of world populations) for this type of mediation. (and one can deserve and get something bad, weak or chaotic as much as one can deserve things good, harmonious and sublime.) And when the deservingness, the karma, for this type of meditation declined in the target demographics, the TMO shrank. And some of thes two million, a handful -- relatively speaking (maybe several hundred) had the karma to be rather close to a non-traditional teacher in a rather chaotic movement. And some gained -- per their karma -- and some lost -- per their karma. Nature rising to fulfill the needs of the time, is simply poetic, falsely anthropomorphic sweet talk to describe people getting what they deserve, unwinding their karma. The world responds to peoples past and present actions. Its not super mystical. And to speak of several million people (on the level of white-noise in terms of world populations) -- and only a small fraction continuing with the practice for some time -- as a revival of world knowledge, and of the grand rising up of anthropomorphic Nature to fulfill this grand needs of the world -- and as MMY as being a once a yuga light bringing this vast illumination to the world is silly and a vast illusion perpetrated by ego needs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.) Well then well have to also agree to disagree with your excessively negative assessment of this discussion. But after getting you to clarify what you were actually saying about your beliefs I feel more confident that people have more information to judge our differing points if they chose to follow them. Asking a person to clarify what they mean is not a debating trick, it is a means to come to a better understanding, which it accomplished for me. You asked me to clarify a very straightforward comparison based on our views of MMY as expressed in our posts because you figured you could then play around with the clarification to make the comparison much more complicated than it really was, since you couldn't rebut the simple, straightforward case. And you are mindreading again. And to no one's surprise you are reading evil in my intentions. I did rebut it and as I found out your case was neither simple nor straightforward including concepts with a high probability of being true that are in a sub-belief category. I have never heard such a convoluted method for distancing yourself from ideas that you hold to be probable. I think it allows you to play both sides retreating to your internal classifications when any idea is challenged. Oh I don't really believe believe that...and so on. You then manipulated the complications to arrive at a conclusion favorable to yourself that was patently absurd in light of the on-the-record evidence of our respective posts expressing our opinions of MMY. You are making an artificial distinction between his personal life and his cosmic role. Since I do not believe or even hold as a probably metaphysical concept that he has such a role I see them as one and the same, your view of the man Maharishi. It is a contrived distinction and an imaginary one which allows you to hold the contradictory views of him. I get how you use it personally but it doesn't translate for me. It also served as a tool for you to claim that your view of him was not as positive as mine was negative until my questions clarified that this is not the case. And that point didn't really matter I just used it to figure out how you were insulating certain beliefs from critical thinking. It turns out you are making the same move many Christian moderates make which is actually more interesting to me. I understand Sam Harris's concerns much better concerning people who take make a show of being rational while holding a class of beliefs safe from scrutiny. Especially when it is this sub-class of beliefs that is actually driving much of a person's behavior as they do in your case. That was the overall debating trick, which comprised a bunch of sub-tricks with regard to individual issues arising from the complications. Oh poor Judy foiled by tricks! If only this was a level playing field with both of us having an equal opportunity to make our case...oh wait... that's what we DO have. This has been your SOP when you're challenged, Curtis, ever since I first encountered you. You've just gotten much more sophisticated in your manipulations since alt.m.t. The terminology of epistemology and philosophy has significantly expanded your obfuscation toolbox. The terminology of epistemology and philosophy were actually much fresher in my mind on AMT because I had studied it in college and then again when I left the movement. Our discussion didn't really even scratch the surface of the field. Although I can never get you off the nefarious agenda you see behind all my posts I was actually trying to understand how you put your beliefs together. I accomplished that to my own satisfaction. Since understanding my point is not your agenda you failed again to understand what my point was or why I was making it. I have accepted the limits of communicating with you and no longer have you
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Why All Religions are: Moronic, Psychotic and Pig-Headed!'
Robert, I would like to put it this way, it's not religions that are moronic etc, it's more like, people that follow religions do moronic things in the name of their religions. In the case of Christianity, look at the crusades, Inquisition, etc. None of that has anything to do with the teachings of Christ but it was done in His name to justify it. Usually culture, economics and politics are the culprit, masked over in the name of God. So I would back off the criticism of religion or look like a bigot. Maharishi said once that religions protect the spiritual evolution of people. I'm just sayin'... From: Robert babajii...@yahoo.com To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 10:06:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] 'Why All Religions are: Moronic, Psychotic and Pig-Headed!' I didn't mean to single out just the Mormon religion, for being Moronic, But, recently, yours truly... had the experience of meeting someone, Who was a Mormon, and was a complete racist, drug-addicted asshole! So, that is where I was coming from in terms of this dude representing the 'Mormon Race'.. But, let me explain my thesis on Religions in general... Basically they're all dogmatic, and do not produce enlightenment per se... The Jews, don't believe in Jesus' teachings, because the Romans conquered them in74 A.D. and basically Romanized the whole story,since many people were murdered by the Romans, who were followers of Jesus, and became afraid to mention his name, in the earlier centuries proceeding the adoption of Christianity by the Romans in the 4Th Century A.D. It's certainly strange, when Jesus was a Jew, and Mary was a Jew, and all of his Disciples, Were Jewish... The Jews basically developed a code of moral teachings, and the concept of the 'One Transcendental God', which is contained in Moses' teachings... and King Davids Psalms... The Christians are completely a mood making bunch, with so many sects, it's hard to keep track of... Mostly the Christians, follow Roman law, and are heavily invested in Roman concepts of dividing and conquering.. . Having their main branch in Rome, with all of the Roman costumes, and traditions.. . The Germans think Jesus was German, the French think Jesus was French, the English think Jesus was British, and the Mormons think Jesus was a Mormon, and so on... The Islamic people think Mohammad was their 'Warrior Prophet' and are also completely completely dogmatic in their beliefs... They think Jesus was a 'Prophet' but somehow think that Mohammad was somehow the 'Supreme Prophet'...because Muhammad was an Arab. The Buddhist think that the only way, is to follow Buddha, and also have various sects, which believe, in a dogmatic way, that their way, is the only way... The Mayans believed in human sacrifice to their 'Gods', as well as the war-like Aztecs... The Spanish completely wiped out the native population of Jamaica, in their lust to find gold, and their enslaving of the natives there.. Am I leaving anyone out? Oh, let's see? The TM religion, although it started as a spiritual path, became 'Scientific' at some point... And instead of 'Capturing the Fort' and avoiding 'Side Paths'... Suddenly made 'Super-Normal Abilities, the cause of their religion... Now, instead of 20 minutes, twice a day, with no change in life-style.. . They have begun to concentrate on developing certain abilities, and have forgotten about 'God', and have forgotten to pray...they mostly have forgotten any moral examples, of value, And instead, have developed a dogma which includes, vegetarianism, certain types of housing, certain herbs to be taken, certain massage to be given, a complete change in life-style, and meditation which can be practiced for hours, and not 20 minutes, twice daily... They have succumb to a compete capitalistic religious belief that money is the qualifier for enlightenment. ..having 'Millionaires Courses' and propping certain money people, to be 'Kings'... Basically, religions have been the cause of many wars, burnings at the stake, torture, and general havoc around the world, as well as many 'Holocausts' ... Including the wiping out of the Native American traditions, in the name of their 'Superior Religion... So, in conclusion, we would say that Religions are very narrow, close minded, arrogant, and keep people from the innocence of their own experiences, and instead... Install self proclaimed leaders, who are more interested in power and money, than in really pursuing a path,which would lead to 'God Realization' ... The real path to God Realization, would include meditation, to look within, a moral compass which would include 'Truthfulness' ... And, certain daily routines, to cleanse oneself physically, emotionally and spiritually. .. And above all: purifying the intellect to align itself with the greater good, to eventually transcend the
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Your meta-talk sounds like scientific empiricism. Does it? Not to me. But I'm just amazed anyone would take the time to read it to form an opinion! So is this how you define your music when pressed i.e. it's just some neurons firing? That is too reductionist for my taste to define it that way. But I don't deny that it is through my physical body that I experience music. Art uses the physical to transcend the physical, but when the artist dies, that's it for him. Art is one of the many beautiful things humans do which make us such special primates. Or rather for you is it a bunch of primate rhythms reified into art by cave-dwelling anthro-s? We have come a long way in music since the caves! My main musical focus is on how African Americans in the 20's and 30's in the South modified their approach to instruments and voice to express more subtle aspects of emotions. It was an is a purely human endeavor for me. But humans are amazing enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.) Well then well have to also agree to disagree with your excessively negative assessment of this discussion. But after getting you to clarify what you were actually saying about your beliefs I feel more confident that people have more information to judge our differing points if they chose to follow them. Asking a person to clarify what they mean is not a debating trick, it is a means to come to a better understanding, which it accomplished for me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sten Sjoestedt was: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
Let me rephraise that post: It was heavy rounding up to 14 hours (or much more) that made a few overly sensitive fellows become unbalanced. This long rounding was not autherized. Yet some would be prone to do so anyway and would sometimes run into problems. Not what you call the TMO atmosphere --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Wow, that's encouraging Nabby! It only took a couple of friends of yours a few years out of the TMO atmosphere to return to some semblance of sanity again. It was heavy rounding up to 14 hours a day that made some overly sensible souls space out. Not what you call the TMO atmosphere.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: And you are mindreading again. See what great results and powers TM brings! It turns out you are making the same move many Christian moderates make which is actually more interesting to me. I understand Sam Harris's concerns much better concerning people who take make a show of being rational while holding a class of beliefs safe from scrutiny. Especially when it is this sub-class of beliefs that is actually driving much of a person's behavior as they do in your case. That's quite a useful point, IMO. However, devils advocate (I am on retainer) -- must every area of our life be held to rigorous scrutiny? You like blues and indian griddle cakes (no derision, I just can't recall the name). Does one need to scutinize that more than I really like them? Very little of our life is subject to rigorous scientific studies, etc. Or even systematic rational analysis. If one analyzed everything, one would be in analysis paralysis. Sometimes ya just gotta lay back and enjoy. The other day I wrote about non-proximeous darshan. Will that hold up under harsh rational and scientific scrutiny? Probably not -- without expending huge effort. Can I just enjoy the effect without knowing or caring if its actual contact and response -- or all inner ritam darshan. I don't care much, either way. Its enjoyable, humbling, and perspective giving -- regardless of the underlying mechanics. Me, I don't care much how car runs. Could be black magic or greek gods pushing it -- for all I care. It works. Good enough for me in 97% of my life. I rationally focus on the other 3%.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And you are mindreading again. See what great results and powers TM brings! It turns out you are making the same move many Christian moderates make which is actually more interesting to me. I understand Sam Harris's concerns much better concerning people who take make a show of being rational while holding a class of beliefs safe from scrutiny. Especially when it is this sub-class of beliefs that is actually driving much of a person's behavior as they do in your case. That's quite a useful point, IMO. However, devils advocate (I am on retainer) -- must every area of our life be held to rigorous scrutiny? No. You like blues and indian griddle cakes (no derision, I just can't recall the name). Does one need to scutinize that more than I really like them? This is a different class of personal preferences than the beliefs Judy and I were discussing. Very little of our life is subject to rigorous scientific studies, etc. Or even systematic rational analysis. I agree with the first but not the second. There is nothing irrational about me like a certain form of music. If I claim it would cure your cancer if you listen to it, then it enters the realm of WTF? If one analyzed everything, one would be in analysis paralysis. False alternative. The slippery slope fallacy. I'm not advocating that. Sometimes ya just gotta lay back and enjoy. Sure and some time you have to sit up straight and enjoy. There are a lot of possible positions. The other day I wrote about non-proximeous darshan. Will that hold up under harsh rational and scientific scrutiny? Probably not -- without expending huge effort. I think it might be a project enough to define what you mean by those terms. Can I just enjoy the effect without knowing or caring if its actual contact and response -- or all inner ritam darshan. I don't care much, either way. Its enjoyable, humbling, and perspective giving -- regardless of the underlying mechanics. I'm not sure what you are claiming here. Me, I don't care much how car runs. Could be black magic or greek gods pushing it -- for all I care. It works. My car has been F'ing up lately so I'm in the world of caring to avoid high repair bills. Enjoy your bliss while you can. Good enough for me in 97% of my life. I rationally focus on the other 3%. I don't know if my proportion is the same or different honestly. Whatever I have going is working for me, glad to hear you reporting the same!
[FairfieldLife] Stupa consecration
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting for Brian
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: snip I was NOT arguing that the project showed anything hopeful. I don't believe that even if the ME exists, it could ever be demonstrated scientifically. My point was that Peter declared the methodology flawed *without knowing anything about the methodology*. And now you've joined him. You are simply wrong.We know there are problems with the methodology. I mentioned the lack of control of confounding variables and the problems with the low crime rate.Any student who designed a study consistent with the presented facts would get an F. I am sure any scientists here would agree. Ruth said: If that is the case they should have known that going in and thus the design was flawed for that reason alone. Any number of things could have occurred to confound the results. Judy said: Which is why I don't think a scientific demonstration is possible, no matter how sound the study design. Huh? I thought you just said that we don't know anything about the methodology and then you quote my complaints about the methodology. The point is that the study design was not sound. Ruth said: No conclusions can be drawn about anything, Judy said: Including whether the study design had any flaws. I can't believe you said this. You acknowledged there are flaws. Are you just baiting me into a discussion? Ruth said: not even as a pilot study worthy of further research. It doesn't even rise to the level of being inconclusive. Judy said: Not sure that's even possible. Bit of derisive hyperbole based on facts not in evidence. The derision is deserved and is based solely on the facts reported. Ruth said: Well, I am off again after a quick check-in. Judy said: Yes, leave fast, before anybody can challenge you! Anybody? It would only be you. I was curious as to what you would say and how you would say it. Anyway, I see Curtis has been around so I'll check out his posts and then I'm out of here. Too much time here is like having MRSA lurking on my skin.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.) Well then well have to also agree to disagree with your excessively negative assessment of this discussion. But after getting you to clarify what you were actually saying about your beliefs I feel more confident that people have more information to judge our differing points if they chose to follow them. Asking a person to clarify what they mean is not a debating trick, it is a means to come to a better understanding, which it accomplished for me. You asked me to clarify a very straightforward comparison based on our views of MMY as expressed in our posts because you figured you could then play around with the clarification to make the comparison much more complicated than it really was, since you couldn't rebut the simple, straightforward case. And you are mindreading again. And to no one's surprise you are reading evil in my intentions. It's conceivable you aren't aware of what you're doing. I did rebut it and as I found out your case was neither simple nor straightforward including concepts with a high probability of being true that are in a sub-belief category. And that's your way of saying what I just said that makes it favorable to yourself: You wanted to make my case complicated and not straightforward so you could claim we have similarly extreme views of MMY. But we don't. I have never heard such a convoluted method for distancing yourself from ideas that you hold to be probable. I think it allows you to play both sides retreating to your internal classifications when any idea is challenged. Oh I don't really believe believe that...and so on. All that is unnecessary complications arising from your desire to clarify (i.e., obfuscate) my very simple and straightfoward assertion. Again, all anybody has to do to verify what I said is to read your toxic rants, which attribute everything he did to self-serving motivations, and compare them to my opinions, which I summarize as: The significance of his personal flaws versus his personal virtues is pretty evenly balanced. I don't have any trouble encompassing his negative traits in my view of him. You appear to be incapable of acknowledging that he had any positive traits at all, let alone of seeing a balance of negative and positive, as I do. The rest of your current post is just more insistence on substituting obfuscating complications for that straightforward, simple comparison: you are much, *much* more extreme in your negative view of him than I am in my positive view of him. You then manipulated the complications to arrive at a conclusion favorable to yourself that was patently absurd in light of the on-the-record evidence of our respective posts expressing our opinions of MMY. You are making an artificial distinction between his personal life and his cosmic role. Since I do not believe or even hold as a probably metaphysical concept that he has such a role I see them as one and the same, your view of the man Maharishi. It is a contrived distinction and an imaginary one which allows you to hold the contradictory views of him. I get how you use it personally but it doesn't translate for me. It also served as a tool for you to claim that your view of him was not as positive as mine was negative until my questions clarified that this is not the case. And that point didn't really matter I just used it to figure out how you were insulating certain beliefs from critical thinking. It turns out you are making the same move many Christian moderates make which is actually more interesting to me. I understand Sam Harris's concerns much better concerning people who take make a show of being rational while holding a class of beliefs safe from scrutiny. Especially when it is this
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
What were these seven states? You know them already - Waking, Dreaming, Deep Sleep, TC, GC, UC Actually, outside of this discussion, I think deservingness is a key concept. Everything is an unfolding of karma (prarabdha). Name one event in ones life, or the universe, that is not the unfolding of karma. Karma is another name for deservingness. Sorry to spring this on you but it is called Causeless Mercy. Nature rising to fulfill the needs of the time and nature's desire These are just code words for Ma's Ishvari-shakti. If everything is just the projection of past karma then your statements can only be the same. You can't help saying these things ... you're just a slave of the gunas interacting among themselves. There is no doer. Believe it and weep. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Those places are defined by accepted scripture ... Upanishads, Bhag.Gita and Brahma Sutras for Kevala Vedanta. Scriptural references are the common norm when discussing a tradition even if others do not accept them, such as Buddhists or Turqs. MMY was not a scholar and provided little to found his claims, except some BhG references. The 7 stages of Mukti found in Yogavasishta and Jivanmuktiviveka are not the same as his own 7 state of Consciousness. What were these seven states? If you just depend upon what some teacher says without checking it against the tradition he claims to represent then then you have not done your due diligence and are just engaging in a belief system. For this you get only the results of that belief system. although they will tell you, you're not pure enough ... first deserve, then desire. Actually, outside of this discussion, I think deservingness is a key concept. Everything is an unfolding of karma (prarabdha). Name one event in ones life, or the universe, that is not the unfolding of karma. Karma is another name for deservingness. The debate, as I skimingly follow -- I may have it wrong -- about whether M and TMO was Nature's desire -- can be seen in a clearer light from the view of karma (and I know some don't accept that actions have reactions -- so this argument is not relevant for their world view). It turns out that about two million people around 1967-1982 had the karma to be introduced to a simple, westernized meditation technique. Rapid growth in the TMO and other groups happened, coinciding with the the deservingness of those several million people (on the level of white-noise in terms of world populations) for this type of mediation. (and one can deserve and get something bad, weak or chaotic as much as one can deserve things good, harmonious and sublime.) And when the deservingness, the karma, for this type of meditation declined in the target demographics, the TMO shrank. And some of thes two million, a handful -- relatively speaking (maybe several hundred) had the karma to be rather close to a non-traditional teacher in a rather chaotic movement. And some gained -- per their karma -- and some lost -- per their karma. Nature rising to fulfill the needs of the time, is simply poetic, falsely anthropomorphic sweet talk to describe people getting what they deserve, unwinding their karma. The world responds to peoples past and present actions. Its not super mystical. And to speak of several million people (on the level of white-noise in terms of world populations) -- and only a small fraction continuing with the practice for some time -- as a revival of world knowledge, and of the grand rising up of anthropomorphic Nature to fulfill this grand needs of the world -- and as MMY as being a once a yuga light bringing this vast illumination to the world is silly and a vast illusion perpetrated by ego needs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
And thus it was said. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Those places are defined by accepted scripture ... Upanishads, Bhag.Gita and Brahma Sutras for Kevala Vedanta. Scriptural references are the common norm when discussing a tradition even if others do not accept them, such as Buddhists or Turqs. MMY was not a scholar and provided little to found his claims, except some BhG references. The 7 stages of Mukti found in Yogavasishta and Jivanmuktiviveka are not the same as his own 7 state of Consciousness. What were these seven states? If you just depend upon what some teacher says without checking it against the tradition he claims to represent then then you have not done your due diligence and are just engaging in a belief system. For this you get only the results of that belief system. although they will tell you, you're not pure enough ... first deserve, then desire. Actually, outside of this discussion, I think deservingness is a key concept. Everything is an unfolding of karma (prarabdha). Name one event in ones life, or the universe, that is not the unfolding of karma. Karma is another name for deservingness. The debate, as I skimingly follow -- I may have it wrong -- about whether M and TMO was Nature's desire -- can be seen in a clearer light from the view of karma (and I know some don't accept that actions have reactions -- so this argument is not relevant for their world view). It turns out that about two million people around 1967-1982 had the karma to be introduced to a simple, westernized meditation technique. Rapid growth in the TMO and other groups happened, coinciding with the the deservingness of those several million people (on the level of white-noise in terms of world populations) for this type of mediation. (and one can deserve and get something bad, weak or chaotic as much as one can deserve things good, harmonious and sublime.) And when the deservingness, the karma, for this type of meditation declined in the target demographics, the TMO shrank. And some of thes two million, a handful -- relatively speaking (maybe several hundred) had the karma to be rather close to a non-traditional teacher in a rather chaotic movement. And some gained -- per their karma -- and some lost -- per their karma. Nature rising to fulfill the needs of the time, is simply poetic, falsely anthropomorphic sweet talk to describe people getting what they deserve, unwinding their karma. The world responds to peoples past and present actions. Its not super mystical. And to speak of several million people (on the level of white-noise in terms of world populations) -- and only a small fraction continuing with the practice for some time -- as a revival of world knowledge, and of the grand rising up of anthropomorphic Nature to fulfill this grand needs of the world -- and as MMY as being a once a yuga light bringing this vast illumination to the world is silly and a vast illusion perpetrated by ego needs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: What were these seven states? You know them already - Waking, Dreaming, Deep Sleep, TC, GC, UC I must have misundeerstood. I thought you said yogavaishista (sp) and other school had different framework for mMMY. Actually, outside of this discussion, I think deservingness is a key concept. Everything is an unfolding of karma (prarabdha). Name one event in ones life, or the universe, that is not the unfolding of karma. Karma is another name for deservingness. Sorry to spring this on you but it is called Causeless Mercy. And that is?? Nature rising to fulfill the needs of the time and nature's desire These are just code words for Ma's Ishvari-shakti. If everything is just the projection of past karma then your statements can only be the same. You can't help saying these things ... you're just a slave of the gunas interacting among themselves. There is no doer. Yes. Can you honestly say that you do anything? Thoughts arise without effort. Action effortlessly arises from thought. My intellect, which may seem independent, has been formed, like sophisticated (well maybe no so sophisticated in my case) software -- by experience, culture, genes, logical frameworks, etc. I am doing nothing. And I don't posit or need to believe that The Divine is thinking, guiding every thought and action. I give the Divine way too much credit for such a crude puppet like set-up. Its all the unwinding of karma -- a beautiful framework that works automatically. Believe it and weep. Or believe and (let teh body and soul)sing and dance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Those places are defined by accepted scripture ... Upanishads, Bhag.Gita and Brahma Sutras for Kevala Vedanta. Scriptural references are the common norm when discussing a tradition even if others do not accept them, such as Buddhists or Turqs. MMY was not a scholar and provided little to found his claims, except some BhG references. The 7 stages of Mukti found in Yogavasishta and Jivanmuktiviveka are not the same as his own 7 state of Consciousness. What were these seven states? If you just depend upon what some teacher says without checking it against the tradition he claims to represent then then you have not done your due diligence and are just engaging in a belief system. For this you get only the results of that belief system. although they will tell you, you're not pure enough ... first deserve, then desire. Actually, outside of this discussion, I think deservingness is a key concept. Everything is an unfolding of karma (prarabdha). Name one event in ones life, or the universe, that is not the unfolding of karma. Karma is another name for deservingness. The debate, as I skimingly follow -- I may have it wrong -- about whether M and TMO was Nature's desire -- can be seen in a clearer light from the view of karma (and I know some don't accept that actions have reactions -- so this argument is not relevant for their world view). It turns out that about two million people around 1967-1982 had the karma to be introduced to a simple, westernized meditation technique. Rapid growth in the TMO and other groups happened, coinciding with the the deservingness of those several million people (on the level of white-noise in terms of world populations) for this type of mediation. (and one can deserve and get something bad, weak or chaotic as much as one can deserve things good, harmonious and sublime.) And when the deservingness, the karma, for this type of meditation declined in the target demographics, the TMO shrank. And some of thes two million, a handful -- relatively speaking (maybe several hundred) had the karma to be rather close to a non-traditional teacher in a rather chaotic movement. And some gained -- per their karma -- and some lost -- per their karma. Nature rising to fulfill the needs of the time, is simply poetic, falsely anthropomorphic sweet talk to describe people getting what they deserve, unwinding their karma. The world responds to peoples past and present actions. Its not super mystical. And to speak of several million people (on the level of white-noise in terms of world populations) -- and only a small fraction continuing with the practice for some time -- as a revival of world knowledge, and of the grand rising up of anthropomorphic Nature to fulfill this grand needs of the world -- and as MMY as being a once a yuga light bringing this vast illumination to the world is silly and a vast illusion perpetrated by ego needs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Posting for Brian
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I was NOT arguing that the project showed anything hopeful. I don't believe that even if the ME exists, it could ever be demonstrated scientifically. My point was that Peter declared the methodology flawed *without knowing anything about the methodology*. And now you've joined him. You are simply wrong.We know there are problems with the methodology. No, we don't know enough about the methodology to say that. I mentioned the lack of control of confounding variables You didn't mention any variables, first, and you can't say whether they were controlled for because what was posted here didn't discuss controls. For all you know, there were all kinds of controls. You made the absurd suggestion that because the test was announced in advance, everybody would be on their best behavior during the demonstration and (presumably) on their worst during the control period. You speculated that the police department might have put more police on the street during the demonstration to get a good result, without taking into account that police would be very unlikely to want this kind of approach to succeed. And for all you know, the study design may have required that no extra police be put on the street. What was posted here said nothing about that either way. and the problems with the low crime rate. Yes, that's already been stipulated. Any student who designed a study consistent with the presented facts would get an F. I am sure any scientists here would agree. No teachers or scientists who wanted to be fair and honest would do so, because they wouldn't have enough information. Ruth said: If that is the case they should have known that going in and thus the design was flawed for that reason alone. Any number of things could have occurred to confound the results. Judy said: Which is why I don't think a scientific demonstration is possible, no matter how sound the study design. Huh? I thought you just said that we don't know anything about the methodology and then you quote my complaints about the methodology. Right. No contradiction there, sorry to disappoint. The point is that the study design was not sound. No, we don't know enough about the study design to say that. Ruth said: No conclusions can be drawn about anything, Judy said: Including whether the study design had any flaws. I can't believe you said this. You acknowledged there are flaws. The only flaw I acknowledged was the small sample size, which everybody stipulated from the beginning. There may well have been other flaws, but neither of us can tell that from what was reported. Are you just baiting me into a discussion? Hmm, you went on to say, I was curious as to what you would say and how you would say it. Oooopsie. Who was baiting whom, again? Ruth said: not even as a pilot study worthy of further research. It doesn't even rise to the level of being inconclusive. Judy said: Not sure that's even possible. Bit of derisive hyperbole based on facts not in evidence. The derision is deserved and is based solely on the facts reported. As I said, facts not in evidence. You haven't cited *one* reported fact about the study design as a flaw, except that the study was announced in advance. Oddly enough, the initial ME studies were *criticized* because they hadn't been announced in advance. Subsequent studies were announced in advance specifically to address this criticism.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
No kidding! When you really listen...that Robert Johnson wrote and played music as he did WHEN he did in the way that he didis a wonderful miracle! And he was far from the only one. The well of deep blues from that time remains endlessly fascinating to me, and clearly to Curtis. (But I can only listen. Custis can play it! What in the world does THAT feel like brother!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Your meta-talk sounds like scientific empiricism. Does it? Not to me. But I'm just amazed anyone would take the time to read it to form an opinion! So is this how you define your music when pressed i.e. it's just some neurons firing? That is too reductionist for my taste to define it that way. But I don't deny that it is through my physical body that I experience music. Art uses the physical to transcend the physical, but when the artist dies, that's it for him. Art is one of the many beautiful things humans do which make us such special primates. Or rather for you is it a bunch of primate rhythms reified into art by cave-dwelling anthro-s? We have come a long way in music since the caves! My main musical focus is on how African Americans in the 20's and 30's in the South modified their approach to instruments and voice to express more subtle aspects of emotions. It was an is a purely human endeavor for me. But humans are amazing enough. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.) Well then well have to also agree to disagree with your excessively negative assessment of this discussion. But after getting you to clarify what you were actually saying about your beliefs I feel more confident that people have more information to judge our differing points if they chose to follow them. Asking a person to clarify what they mean is not a debating trick, it is a means to come to a better understanding, which it accomplished for me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: And you are mindreading again. See what great results and powers TM brings! It turns out you are making the same move many Christian moderates make which is actually more interesting to me. I understand Sam Harris's concerns much better concerning people who take make a show of being rational while holding a class of beliefs safe from scrutiny. Especially when it is this sub-class of beliefs that is actually driving much of a person's behavior as they do in your case. That's quite a useful point, IMO. However, devils advocate (I am on retainer) -- must every area of our life be held to rigorous scrutiny? No. You like blues and indian griddle cakes (no derision, I just can't recall the name). Does one need to scutinize that more than I really like them? This is a different class of personal preferences than the beliefs Judy and I were discussing. I will consider that distinction. Right now, for me there is not an obvious boundary between them. Very little of our life is subject to rigorous scientific studies, etc. Or even systematic rational analysis. I agree with the first but not the second. There is nothing irrational about me like a certain form of music. I was not saying irrational. Simply arational -- not a lot of thought given to it. As opposed to faulty rational = irrational. If I claim it would cure your cancer if you listen to it, then it enters the realm of WTF? If one analyzed everything, one would be in analysis paralysis. False alternative. The slippery slope fallacy. I'm not advocating that. Not sure I get your point. let me rephrase, Occasionally, if i analyze everything -- and sometimes I get into that mode (family Aspergers?) I can sometimes get into analysis paralysis. I assume some others may get into the same cycle. Sometimes ya just gotta lay back and enjoy. Sure and some time you have to sit up straight and enjoy. There are a lot of possible positions. So we can enjoy in almost any position. (except head up ass I suppose -- though ignorance is supposed to be bliss.) The other day I wrote about non-proximeous darshan. Will that hold up under harsh rational and scientific scrutiny? Probably not -- without expending huge effort. I think it might be a project enough to define what you mean by those terms. I wrote a post on it. Another example, does love hold up under rational scrutiny? Can I just enjoy the effect without knowing or caring if its actual contact and response -- or all inner ritam darshan. I don't care much, either way. Its enjoyable, humbling, and perspective giving -- regardless of the underlying mechanics. I'm not sure what you are claiming here. Well, asides from being vastly inarticulate at times, I was trying to point out that some things can bring happiness -- and we can't explain it well -- but we can enjoy it. Me, I don't care much how car runs. Could be black magic or greek gods pushing it -- for all I care. It works. My car has been F'ing up lately so I'm in the world of caring to avoid high repair bills. Enjoy your bliss while you can. My 3/5 year warranty is like eternity -- so I am enjoying that minor happiness. Good enough for me in 97% of my life. I rationally focus on the other 3%. I don't know if my proportion is the same or different honestly. Whatever I have going is working for me, glad to hear you reporting the same! And when it doesn't work, we self-correct, learn, grow, do better next time. (doesn't seem to work for blood vendettas though, from what I observe.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sten Sjoestedt was: 'I want to apologize to the group...'
OK, well let me ask: did this rounding occur on a scheduled TMO course? When you say it was not authorized, do you mean that it was a situation other than the norm for that timemeaning the rounding of Fiuggi, Mallorca or any of the Switzerland courses? When I say the TMO atmosphere I mean the vibe surrounding those participating in these courses. I believe you know exactly what I am referring to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: Let me rephraise that post: It was heavy rounding up to 14 hours (or much more) that made a few overly sensitive fellows become unbalanced. This long rounding was not autherized. Yet some would be prone to do so anyway and would sometimes run into problems. Not what you call the TMO atmosphere --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Joe geezerfreak@ wrote: Wow, that's encouraging Nabby! It only took a couple of friends of yours a few years out of the TMO atmosphere to return to some semblance of sanity again. It was heavy rounding up to 14 hours a day that made some overly sensible souls space out. Not what you call the TMO atmosphere.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: snip Instead you cling to a comfortable caricature of me as a villain with a nefarious agenda. To each his or her own. Oops, I better not let this stand lest I be accused of assenting to it. No, I don't think you're a villain with a nefarious agenda. I think you have a tremendous amount of unresolved personal resentment against MMY that prevents you from taking a rational view of him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Why All Religions are: Moronic, Psychotic and Pig-Headed!'
Religions are mind control techniques developed and used by kings and leaders to keep the populace under control. Much easier to have them believing some illusions than having to put down rebellions every now and then. Mike Dixon wrote: Robert, I would like to put it this way, it's not religions that are moronic etc, it's more like, people that follow religions do moronic things in the name of their religions. In the case of Christianity, look at the crusades, Inquisition, etc. None of that has anything to do with the teachings of Christ but it was done in His name to justify it. Usually culture, economics and politics are the culprit, masked over in the name of God. So I would back off the criticism of religion or look like a bigot. Maharishi said once that religions protect the spiritual evolution of people. I'm just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Your meta-talk sounds like scientific empiricism. Is that what it is? I was wondering. Seems like an awful lot of energy put into..this meta talk, or scientific empiricism, or something. So is this how you define your music when pressed i.e. it's just some neurons firing? Or rather for you is it a bunch of primate rhythms reified into art by cave-dwelling anthro-s? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.) Well then well have to also agree to disagree with your excessively negative assessment of this discussion. But after getting you to clarify what you were actually saying about your beliefs I feel more confident that people have more information to judge our differing points if they chose to follow them. Asking a person to clarify what they mean is not a debating trick, it is a means to come to a better understanding, which it accomplished for me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: Since understanding my point is not your agenda you failed again to understand what my point was or why I was making it. I have accepted the limits of communicating with you and no longer have you understanding me as one of my goals. You would have to want to or assume I had something valuable to say. Instead you cling to a comfortable caricature of me as a villain with a nefarious agenda. To each his or her own. I don't have any skin in this game. (nor did I follow it), but as one observing from a distance, this discussion always ends up in this very same place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
One more gross misstatement I need to address: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: snip That was the overall debating trick, which comprised a bunch of sub-tricks with regard to individual issues arising from the complications. Oh poor Judy foiled by tricks! If only this was a level playing field with both of us having an equal opportunity to make our case...oh wait... that's what we DO have. I wasn't foiled by the tricks. I saw them for what they were and played along with them for awhile. Then I pointed them out and called a halt. (Oh, gee, according to Barry, I'm only supposed to respond more than once to a *woman's* post. I forgot completely about that; here I've gone and broken one of Barry's Rules again.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin Interview on Conscious.tv
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Just having fun with words on a lazy Saturday afternoon, Buck, I know this quote and I've always had a bit of a writer's nitpick with it. Below I repost Aldous Huxley's quote, but 1) removing your attempt to make it sound as if he was talking about TM, and 2) removing a single word, repeated twice, which I've never felt belonged. Read my version of the quote below and tell me if you think anything is missing from it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck posted Aldous Huxley's definition of the Perennial Philosophy: The metaphysic that recognizes a Reality substantial to the world of things and lives and minds; the psychology that finds in the soul something similar to, or even identified with, Reality; the ethic that places man's final end in the knowledge of the immanent and transcendent Ground of all being; the thing is immemorial and universal. The word I removed was 'divine,' used as a modifier for 'Reality.' I don't think Reality needs any such modifier. Turq, Yep I agree. Thanks for putting words to that. My reading eye had gauged and stuttered at the same thing but passed over it figuring he was just dealing with audience and bringing them along either way, noticing the 'd' in the divine was not a capitalized. Either way the divine just thrown in there in these more modern, spiritual and secular times as you say needlessly burdens the larger paragraph that is great description of experience and reality simply. I appreciate your drawing it out. Best Regards, -Buck 'Divine Reality' is Department of Redundancy Dept. stuff for me. Reality is All That Is. It seems to me that Huxley in writing his definition was subconsciously trying to enhance the notion of Reality by associating it with the word 'divine' and with human concepts of divinity. It didn't work for me when I first read it, and doesn't work for me now. By bringing 'divine' into the picture, he consciously or subconsciously implies that a 'divine Reality' would be somehow better than just a 'Reality.' His definition seems unnecessarily exclusionary to me. I don't need to believe that Reality was created by something 'divine' or that it has traits that humans associate with 'divinity' to appreciate Reality. Reality can (and in my opinion does) stand on its own; it has no need for the con- cept of divinity *to* stand on its own. Similarly, Huxley's definition is strong enough to stand on its own; it has no need for the word 'divine' *to* stand on its own.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Since understanding my point is not your agenda you failed again to understand what my point was or why I was making it. I have accepted the limits of communicating with you and no longer have you understanding me as one of my goals. You would have to want to or assume I had something valuable to say. Instead you cling to a comfortable caricature of me as a villain with a nefarious agenda. To each his or her own. I don't have any skin in this game. (nor did I follow it), but as one observing from a distance, this discussion always ends up in this very same place. It's the journey baby, the journey.
[FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Your meta-talk sounds like scientific empiricism. Is that what it is? I was wondering. Seems like an awful lot of energy put into..this meta talk, or scientific empiricism, or something. Thinking is effortless. Typing takes almost no energy. Expressing my ideas gives me energy. YMMV So is this how you define your music when pressed i.e. it's just some neurons firing? Or rather for you is it a bunch of primate rhythms reified into art by cave-dwelling anthro-s? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip Remember what this is about: your interest in portraying me as just as extreme in my positive view of MMY as you are in your negative view. And you're having to do some very elaborate stretches in the attempt. We will have to agree to disagree here. If you see Maharishi's role as an instrument of nature reviving the knowledge like Jesus or Buddha then you are at least as positive about him as I am negative You come to this conclusion, IMHO, via a big bag of debating tricks designed to distort and distract attention from a very straightforward comparison. Anyone can see the comparison is valid simply by reading what you and I say we think of Maharishi. I played along with your tactics for probably longer than I should have, but at this point I'll just trust the good sense of anybody who happens to be reading the exchange to see through the obfuscation. (Or not, as the case may be.) Well then well have to also agree to disagree with your excessively negative assessment of this discussion. But after getting you to clarify what you were actually saying about your beliefs I feel more confident that people have more information to judge our differing points if they chose to follow them. Asking a person to clarify what they mean is not a debating trick, it is a means to come to a better understanding, which it accomplished for me.
