[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > > > > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 > > > > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:29 AM > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Sal Sunshine > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:07 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > have that. I'll hang in there with the Kingster > > > > > > > > and wish his 3-1/2-year-old luck in "school." :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.5 years in old enough in the US to be in pre-school, > > > > > > and isn't his oldest 5.5? So she'd be entering K anyway. > > > > > > > > > > One more time, folks: The only mention of the kids' > > > > > schooling came from Hagelin, and what he waid was that > > > > > MMY wanted the marriage kept secret until the OLDEST > > > > > was in school. That would be the 5-1/2-year-old. > > > > > > > > Wrong, it came from an unauthorized mail posted here by Rick Archer > > > > that, to > > > > my knowledge has never been confirmed by the Movement. Neither this nor > > > > the > > > > Paris-rumour. > > > > The Paris rumor was unofficial, but there were two official things > > > > about the > > > > marriage, kids, and secrecy posted - one from Hagelin, one from Bevan. > > > > > > I know you claim the mails are from Hagelin and Bevan, but the fact is > > > that they could have been written by anyone with a computer and a > > > keyboard. > > > Until there is an official acknowledgement of the happenings you claim to > > > know of there is no harm, particularily knowing your previous rather > > > liberal attitude towards facts, in remaining unperturbed. > > > > > Nabby. People who work at the higher levels of the TMO all believe that > > Raja Raam is married with children. They heard it in conversations with > > Bevan and John. The TMO may never send out an official pronouncement.They > > may treat it as a private matter that does not require an announcement.- > > especially if Raja Raam continues in his role as King. The analogy isn't > > great, but it is kind of like the CEO of a business might get married, but > > they would not send an announcement to shareholders, or employees since it > > is part of the CEO's private life and should not interfere with his job > > performance. > > Could very well be you are right. I'll wait untill it has been confirmed by > someone with integrity though, it's been a long time since I trusted a > rumour-monger. > Really? Yet you follow this Benjamin Creme fellow who started a rumor about Maitreya coming back.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 > > > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:29 AM > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Sal Sunshine > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:07 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > have that. I'll hang in there with the Kingster > > > > > > > and wish his 3-1/2-year-old luck in "school." :-) > > > > > > > > > > > 3.5 years in old enough in the US to be in pre-school, > > > > > and isn't his oldest 5.5? So she'd be entering K anyway. > > > > > > > > One more time, folks: The only mention of the kids' > > > > schooling came from Hagelin, and what he waid was that > > > > MMY wanted the marriage kept secret until the OLDEST > > > > was in school. That would be the 5-1/2-year-old. > > > > > > Wrong, it came from an unauthorized mail posted here by Rick Archer that, > > > to > > > my knowledge has never been confirmed by the Movement. Neither this nor > > > the > > > Paris-rumour. > > > The Paris rumor was unofficial, but there were two official things about > > > the > > > marriage, kids, and secrecy posted - one from Hagelin, one from Bevan. > > > > I know you claim the mails are from Hagelin and Bevan, but the fact is that > > they could have been written by anyone with a computer and a keyboard. > > Until there is an official acknowledgement of the happenings you claim to > > know of there is no harm, particularily knowing your previous rather > > liberal attitude towards facts, in remaining unperturbed. > > > Nabby. People who work at the higher levels of the TMO all believe that > Raja Raam is married with children. They heard it in conversations with Bevan > and John. The TMO may never send out an official pronouncement.They may > treat it as a private matter that does not require an announcement.- > especially if Raja Raam continues in his role as King. The analogy isn't > great, but it is kind of like the CEO of a business might get married, but > they would not send an announcement to shareholders, or employees since it is > part of the CEO's private life and should not interfere with his job > performance. Could very well be you are right. I'll wait untill it has been confirmed by someone with integrity though, it's been a long time since I trusted a rumour-monger.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 > > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:29 AM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Sal Sunshine > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:07 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > have that. I'll hang in there with the Kingster > > > > > > and wish his 3-1/2-year-old luck in "school." :-) > > > > > > > > > 3.5 years in old enough in the US to be in pre-school, > > > > and isn't his oldest 5.5? So she'd be entering K anyway. > > > > > > One more time, folks: The only mention of the kids' > > > schooling came from Hagelin, and what he waid was that > > > MMY wanted the marriage kept secret until the OLDEST > > > was in school. That would be the 5-1/2-year-old. > > > > Wrong, it came from an unauthorized mail posted here by Rick Archer that, to > > my knowledge has never been confirmed by the Movement. Neither this nor the > > Paris-rumour. > > The Paris rumor was unofficial, but there were two official things about the > > marriage, kids, and secrecy posted - one from Hagelin, one from Bevan. > > I know you claim the mails are from Hagelin and Bevan, but the fact is that > they could have been written by anyone with a computer and a keyboard. > Until there is an official acknowledgement of the happenings you claim to > know of there is no harm, particularily knowing your previous rather liberal > attitude towards facts, in remaining unperturbed. > Nabby. People who work at the higher levels of the TMO all believe that Raja Raam is married with children. They heard it in conversations with Bevan and John. The TMO may never send out an official pronouncement.They may treat it as a private matter that does not require an announcement.- especially if Raja Raam continues in his role as King. The analogy isn't great, but it is kind of like the CEO of a business might get married, but they would not send an announcement to shareholders, or employees since it is part of the CEO's private life and should not interfere with his job performance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:29 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Sal Sunshine > wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:07 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > have that. I'll hang in there with the Kingster > > > > > and wish his 3-1/2-year-old luck in "school." :-) > > > > > > > 3.5 years in old enough in the US to be in pre-school, > > > and isn't his oldest 5.5? So she'd be entering K anyway. > > > > One more time, folks: The only mention of the kids' > > schooling came from Hagelin, and what he waid was that > > MMY wanted the marriage kept secret until the OLDEST > > was in school. That would be the 5-1/2-year-old. > > Wrong, it came from an unauthorized mail posted here by Rick Archer that, to > my knowledge has never been confirmed by the Movement. Neither this nor the > Paris-rumour. > The Paris rumor was unofficial, but there were two official things about the > marriage, kids, and secrecy posted - one from Hagelin, one from Bevan. I know you claim the mails are from Hagelin and Bevan, but the fact is that they could have been written by anyone with a computer and a keyboard. Until there is an official acknowledgement of the happenings you claim to know of there is no harm, particularily knowing your previous rather liberal attitude towards facts, in remaining unperturbed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > Where ? In a supposedly genuine mail published on FFL by our own dear > > > truth-seeking Rick Archer ? > > > > > > > Nabby, I know that you might not care, but do you believe that Nader is > > married with children? > > I don't belive nor disbelieve, it does not matter, either way is fine with > me. > What I object to is that people here go ballistic based on rumours posted by > a fellow with a, well, very liberal relationship regarding facts. > Until there is an official word I'll wait and see. > I figured that it doesn't matter to you. I was just curious whether you had any information that was convincing to you. Thanks for responding.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:07 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > have that. I'll hang in there with the Kingster > > > > and wish his 3-1/2-year-old luck in "school." :-) > > > > > 3.5 years in old enough in the US to be in pre-school, > > and isn't his oldest 5.5? So she'd be entering K anyway. > > One more time, folks: The only mention of the kids' > schooling came from Hagelin, and what he waid was that > MMY wanted the marriage kept secret until the OLDEST > was in school. That would be the 5-1/2-year-old. Wrong, it came from an unauthorized mail posted here by Rick Archer that, to my knowledge has never been confirmed by the Movement. Neither this nor the Paris-rumour. The Paris rumor was unofficial, but there were two official things about the marriage, kids, and secrecy posted - one from Hagelin, one from Bevan.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > Regarding what kinds of experiences people share, many of the folks I've > been interviewing, and others, attend the meetings and discuss the kinds of > experiences they discuss during the interviews. That's a bit of a cryptic > answer because I haven't been able to upload the interviews yet, but you'll > see what I mean when I do. There's a conference phone in the room so that > out of town folks can join in. if that interest you, contact Tom Traynor: > 641-919-6917 - and he'll give you the number and conference code. > > > I didn't notice him twitching. What I did notice is that he didn't tune > in to the energy of the group. He launched into several long, self-centered > monologues, not allowing for interjection or interaction. He later commented > to me that when he hadn't been talking, he had enjoyed staring at the > breasts of a teenage girl in the room. > > > What *I* noticed was a bunch of self-indulgent people who were way, way out there but talking about really mundane things. It was like people were describing how it felt internally when they floss their teeth. Like they were all stoned. I was rounding very heavily, like 10 hours a day and had my own network of friends and CPs that I shared a common language and a set of common experiences with. Rick seems to have a fetish for experiences I just don't get. And a passion for Amma I don't get. Rick really gets off on these sorts of things like the Satsung. Rick likes to play school crossing cop at these affairs, directing this one to speak, this one to rebut, this one to speak next from what I can see. I arrived twice before Rick and it's pretty amazing just how much back stabbing Rick's "friends" were and apparently how unaware Rick is that people say one thing to Rick when he's around, volunteer much different things about Rick to a stranger when Rick's not around. I've not bothered to watch the interviews yet. I fear they will be more of the same. The observation that Rick lacked a certain dynamism in the interviews I think has something to do with Rick not normally oozing a lot of emotion. Not Italian, Greek or other very emotionally expressive. This flatness people have reported about the interviewees. That's the flatness I felt in the other people at the Satsung. It was all happening in their heads. Yeah. That turned me off. I kept asking, "Where's the heart? Where's the emotion?". My buds and I find this lack of flatness to permeate public places like the Indian and Chinese restaurants in FF. People will drone on and on, in this very loud monotone that drowns out the conversations of people at other tables. Really into their experiences, common, trite, everyday experiences, but it's all coming from their heads and not from the heart. Visitors to FF tend express a lot more emotion and modulate their speech a whole lot more.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Joe > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:51 PM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > > > Granted, I've been off the scene here on FFL for many months due to pressing > > life issues. > > > > Butcan anyone tell me what exactly happened with the money raised for > > all of those "at risk children"? I don't recall seeing any posts showing > > thousands of kids being initiated. (Again I may have missed this.I'm the > > first to admit.") > > > > So, all that money that was raised from the huge McCartney/Starr concert in > > NYC? Does everyone have a clear accounting of how it was used? > > Someone was telling me just last night that there have been lots of school > > programs supported by the Lynch foundation. He mentioned some in the Bay > > area. He said the movement is reluctant to publicize them because it helps > > the fundamentalists mobilize against them. > > > OK, so you "heard" something from someone who heard that there are "lots of > school programs" going on but they can't be publicized. > > That's not really the clear accounting I was hoping for Rick. No clear accounting ? You must be a extremely lazy to have missed this; more than 60.000 children and staff have learned from the initiatives of David Lynch Foundation: http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/videos.html http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/photo-gallery/students.html http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/ http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/endorsements.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:58 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > > > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony > > > > was "missing" for 8 years. > > > > > > Do we take this as gospel? > > > > Well, the Raja of the US for the Global Capital of Supreme Consciousness > said it. > > Where ? In a supposedly genuine mail published on FFL by our own dear > truth-seeking Rick Archer ? > > My source on this is reliable. I've been told I can quote Hagelin on the > Purusha lifestyle thing, but not the Paris condo thing. But that you were asked not to quote one thing didn't stop you from posting both ! What makes you think that readers here can trust that you have reliable sources in the US TMO, or is the whole american scene simply falling apart in a quagmire of speculations, petty rumours and self interest ? Perhaps the americans are watching to much garbage-television ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > Where ? In a supposedly genuine mail published on FFL by our own dear > > truth-seeking Rick Archer ? > > > > Nabby, I know that you might not care, but do you believe that Nader is > married with children? I don't belive nor disbelieve, it does not matter, either way is fine with me. What I object to is that people here go ballistic based on rumours posted by a fellow with a, well, very liberal relationship regarding facts. Until there is an official word I'll wait and see.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:07 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > have that. I'll hang in there with the Kingster > > > > and wish his 3-1/2-year-old luck in "school." :-) > > > > > 3.5 years in old enough in the US to be in pre-school, > > and isn't his oldest 5.5? So she'd be entering K anyway. > > One more time, folks: The only mention of the kids' > schooling came from Hagelin, and what he waid was that > MMY wanted the marriage kept secret until the OLDEST > was in school. That would be the 5-1/2-year-old. Wrong, it came from an unauthorized mail posted here by Rick Archer that, to my knowledge has never been confirmed by the Movement. Neither this nor the Paris-rumour.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:59 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" > bill.hicks.all.a.ride@ wrote: > > You want boredom? You want to hear people drone on about something > > you can't relate to? Attend the Wednesday night satsung Rick's very > > keen on. I attended a few times in a dissociative state and twiching > > and if it weren't for the twitching I'd have gone nuts. > That's interesting. What kinds of experiences do people share, if you don't > mind me asking? Can you give a sampling? Also, what is a dissasciative > state, and what is twitching? > I didn't notice him twitching. What I did notice is that he didn't tune in > to the energy of the group. He launched into several long, self-centered > monologues, not allowing for interjection or interaction. Iwhen What I've noticed is that some people who don't have a network or family that they regularly interact with-that when they come into a venue where they get a chance to share they tend to do some monologing, and they sometimes have a pent up store of things they want to talk about, and you can end up being a captive audience He later commented > to me that when he hadn't been talking, he had enjoyed staring at the > breasts of a teenage girl in the room. That is really funny > Regarding what kinds of experiences people share, many of the folks I've > been interviewing, and others, attend the meetings and discuss the kinds of > experiences they discuss during the interviews. That's a bit of a cryptic > answer because I haven't been able to upload the interviews yet, but you'll > see what I mean when I do. Great, I'd like to check it out There's a conference phone in the room so that > out of town folks can join in. if that interest you, contact Tom Traynor: > 641-919-6917 - and he'll give you the number and conference code. >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:59 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" wrote: > You want boredom? You want to hear people drone on about something > you can't relate to? Attend the Wednesday night satsung Rick's very > keen on. I attended a few times in a dissociative state and twiching > and if it weren't for the twitching I'd have gone nuts. That's interesting. What kinds of experiences do people share, if you don't mind me asking? Can you give a sampling? Also, what is a dissasciative state, and what is twitching? I didn't notice him twitching. What I did notice is that he didn't tune in to the energy of the group. He launched into several long, self-centered monologues, not allowing for interjection or interaction. He later commented to me that when he hadn't been talking, he had enjoyed staring at the breasts of a teenage girl in the room. Regarding what kinds of experiences people share, many of the folks I've been interviewing, and others, attend the meetings and discuss the kinds of experiences they discuss during the interviews. That's a bit of a cryptic answer because I haven't been able to upload the interviews yet, but you'll see what I mean when I do. There's a conference phone in the room so that out of town folks can join in. if that interest you, contact Tom Traynor: 641-919-6917 - and he'll give you the number and conference code.
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" > bill.hicks.all.a.ride@ wrote: > > > You want boredom? You want to hear people drone on about something > > you can't relate to? Attend the Wednesday night satsung Rick's very > > keen on. I attended a few times in a dissociative state and twiching > > and if it weren't for the twitching I'd have gone nuts. > > That's interesting. What kinds of experiences do people share, if you > don't mind me asking? Can you give a sampling? Also, what is a > dissasciative state, and what is twitching? > > > > Based on Rick and the people who attend Satsung (which included > > Vaj-o-matic until they changed the call in number), it takes a special > > type of person who wants to listen to the average person talk about > > their experiences. Now Maharishi was a different story. But that > > might have been because he was describing experiences he wasn't going > > to have this lifetime or because of the special sidhi which comes with > > enlightenment that gives your explanations charisma. > > > Can you provide an example of an experience Mahrishi described that he > wasn't going to have this weekend? oops, lifetime (i gotta get some rest) > > > > -- > > Life isn't like a bowl of cherries or peaches.. > > it's more like a jar of jalapenos. > > What you do today, > > might burn your ass tomorrow. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" wrote: > You want boredom? You want to hear people drone on about something > you can't relate to? Attend the Wednesday night satsung Rick's very > keen on. I attended a few times in a dissociative state and twiching > and if it weren't for the twitching I'd have gone nuts. That's interesting. What kinds of experiences do people share, if you don't mind me asking? Can you give a sampling? Also, what is a dissasciative state, and what is twitching? > > Based on Rick and the people who attend Satsung (which included > Vaj-o-matic until they changed the call in number), it takes a special > type of person who wants to listen to the average person talk about > their experiences. Now Maharishi was a different story. But that > might have been because he was describing experiences he wasn't going > to have this lifetime or because of the special sidhi which comes with > enlightenment that gives your explanations charisma. Can you provide an example of an experience Mahrishi described that he wasn't going to have this weekend? > > -- > Life isn't like a bowl of cherries or peaches.. > it's more like a jar of jalapenos. > What you do today, > might burn your ass tomorrow. >
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" I may have been a little harsh in my criticism. But I felt the interview I saw could use some livening up. The subject matter of growing enlightenment doesn't really lend itself to a outward display of anthing of much interest. So you are left with people describing their subjective experiences. I think you may have your work cut out for you if you are trying to appeal to a general audience. But maybe your target audience are those who already have an interest in such things, in which case I think the pool is likely to be quite small. It's neat that you are pursuing it at any rate. I hope good things come from it. I think the degree of liveliness depends on several variables: my guest(s), how I'm feeling that night, etc. I was feeling on-edge during that first interview, as it was an audition of sorts, and I had to adhere to precise time constraints. I think I've loosened up since then, and am gradually improving. But I still welcome constructive criticism, the more specific the better. I don't intend to dumb it down to appeal to a broader audience. I want people to tell their stories as fully and authentically as possible, and it will naturally interest whomever it does.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram"
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 6:00 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > I may have been a little harsh in my criticism. But I felt the interview I > saw could use some livening up. The subject matter of growing enlightenment > doesn't really lend itself to a outward display of anthing of much interest. > So you are left with people describing their subjective experiences. I think > you may have your work cut out for you if you are trying to appeal to a > general audience. But maybe your target audience are those who already have > an interest in such things, in which case I think the pool is likely to be > quite small. It's neat that you are pursuing it at any rate. I hope good > things come from it. > You want boredom? You want to hear people drone on about something you can't relate to? Attend the Wednesday night satsung Rick's very keen on. I attended a few times in a dissociative state and twiching and if it weren't for the twitching I'd have gone nuts. Based on Rick and the people who attend Satsung (which included Vaj-o-matic until they changed the call in number), it takes a special type of person who wants to listen to the average person talk about their experiences. Now Maharishi was a different story. But that might have been because he was describing experiences he wasn't going to have this lifetime or because of the special sidhi which comes with enlightenment that gives your explanations charisma. -- Life isn't like a bowl of cherries or peaches.. it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
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I may have been a little harsh in my criticism. But I felt the interview I saw could use some livening up. The subject matter of growing enlightenment doesn't really lend itself to a outward display of anthing of much interest. So you are left with people describing their subjective experiences. I think you may have your work cut out for you if you are trying to appeal to a general audience. But maybe your target audience are those who already have an interest in such things, in which case I think the pool is likely to be quite small. It's neat that you are pursuing it at any rate. I hope good things come from it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:31 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > > > That's really cool Rick. I watched all 6 of the pilot episodes, fascinating > stuff. > > > > I watched them too. Interesting stuff.But where are the other interviews > -- you said there are 7-8, if I did not misunderstand. I don't find them on > youtube or the gas station site. > > > > Mary and George seem like sweet and sincere people. However, they seemed a > little bit zombie like, there is a sort of dullness vibe. Not the vitality > and glowiness that some have. Which is not a requisite marker, appearances > are not the core thing here. > > I need to check out later editions. But I have to say that that first > interview was about the most boring thing I ever listened to. I got burned > listening to that never ending disclaimer that comprised the first 1/2 hr. > After that, I really couldn't go on. And then listening to bits and pieces > later in the interview, it didn't seem to get much better. Hopefully Rick > has employed a little more pizzazz into the process. > Hopefully. I'm very open to constructive criticism. By "never ending > disclaimer" do you mean the radio station ID thing I had to do every 10 > minutes? Don't have to do that anymore, as I'm a public access TV station > now. Also, the poor audio problem has been fixed. We were having trouble > patching the mixer into the camera, so we used the camera's internal mic. > Now we use lapel mics. >
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:31 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" That's really cool Rick. I watched all 6 of the pilot episodes, fascinating stuff. > > I watched them too. Interesting stuff.But where are the other interviews -- you said there are 7-8, if I did not misunderstand. I don't find them on youtube or the gas station site. > > Mary and George seem like sweet and sincere people. However, they seemed a little bit zombie like, there is a sort of dullness vibe. Not the vitality and glowiness that some have. Which is not a requisite marker, appearances are not the core thing here. I need to check out later editions. But I have to say that that first interview was about the most boring thing I ever listened to. I got burned listening to that never ending disclaimer that comprised the first 1/2 hr. After that, I really couldn't go on. And then listening to bits and pieces later in the interview, it didn't seem to get much better. Hopefully Rick has employed a little more pizzazz into the process. Hopefully. I'm very open to constructive criticism. By "never ending disclaimer" do you mean the radio station ID thing I had to do every 10 minutes? Don't have to do that anymore, as I'm a public access TV station now. Also, the poor audio problem has been fixed. We were having trouble patching the mixer into the camera, so we used the camera's internal mic. Now we use lapel mics.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:24 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joe" wrote: > > That's really cool Rick. I watched all 6 of the pilot episodes, fascinating stuff. I watched them too. Interesting stuff.But where are the other interviews -- you said there are 7-8, if I did not misunderstand. I don't find them on youtube or the gas station site. Coming soon. Explained in other email. Mary and George seem like sweet and sincere people. However, they seemed a little bit zombie like, there is a sort of dullness vibe. Not the vitality and glowiness that some have. Which is not a requisite marker, appearances are not the core thing here. See what you think with others I interview. Different personalities.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > But she'll always have on tape, King Tony being weighed on the scale with the > gold. That could settle the custody battle. Shemp compared it Scarlet > O'Hara. I am remembering, accurately or not, as Adam pointing to God, in the > Sistene Chapel frescoe > It was more like Adam and God touching, kinda like the first encounter between Sean Penn and James Franco in "Milk". > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > > > The King tony revelations and this new show of yours are events that > > > > give me a real reason to tune back in more regularly. > > > > > > Nothing like a little gossip to keep things going. :) > > > I think the revelations, such as they are, are great. > > > My cynical little brain is already concocting the scene > > > for a Royal Divorce...which makes me wonder-- > > > was there a Royal Pre-Nup? Curious minds and > > > all that. > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > I agree. > > > > Indeed, the revelation is conjuring up all sorts of possibilities the same > > way as the first lesbian divorce from the first batch of legal Vermont > > marriages is: > > > > Who gets the kids? > > > > Which one pays alimony? > > >
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:36 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote: > I went to the link provided by Rick and tried to watch them too but my ADD > kicked in after I had to sit through 45 seconds of the cue cards at the > beginning and then Rick's deadpan introduction which looked and sounded like > the Grim Reaper reading, in slow motion, 25 pages of pasta dinner specials > from the Cheesecake Factory menu. Another great line! I think Rick had just heard about King Tony, and was wondering why it wasn't him... Sal
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 3:31 PM, tartbrain wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: >> >> >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: >>> >>> On Jan 24, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Joe wrote: >>> The King tony revelations and this new show of yours are events that give me a real reason to tune back in more regularly. >>> >>> Nothing like a little gossip to keep things going. :) >>> I think the revelations, such as they are, are great. >>> My cynical little brain is already concocting the scene >>> for a Royal Divorce...which makes me wonder-- >>> was there a Royal Pre-Nup? Curious minds and >>> all that. >>> >>> Sal >>> >> >> >> I agree. >> >> Indeed, the revelation is conjuring up all sorts of possibilities the same >> way as the first lesbian divorce from the first batch of legal Vermont >> marriages is: >> >> Who gets the kids? >> >> Which one pays alimony? >> > > More importantly, how do they divide up the Universe? LOL--well, I would guess...a planet here, a planet there... Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > > > That's really cool Rick. I watched all 6 of the pilot episodes, fascinating > > stuff. > > I watched them too. [snip] I went to the link provided by Rick and tried to watch them too but my ADD kicked in after I had to sit through 45 seconds of the cue cards at the beginning and then Rick's deadpan introduction which looked and sounded like the Grim Reaper reading, in slow motion, 25 pages of pasta dinner specials from the Cheesecake Factory menu.
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But she'll always have on tape, King Tony being weighed on the scale with the gold. That could settle the custody battle. Shemp compared it Scarlet O'Hara. I am remembering, accurately or not, as Adam pointing to God, in the Sistene Chapel frescoe --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > The King tony revelations and this new show of yours are events that give > > > me a real reason to tune back in more regularly. > > > > Nothing like a little gossip to keep things going. :) > > I think the revelations, such as they are, are great. > > My cynical little brain is already concocting the scene > > for a Royal Divorce...which makes me wonder-- > > was there a Royal Pre-Nup? Curious minds and > > all that. > > > > Sal > > > > > I agree. > > Indeed, the revelation is conjuring up all sorts of possibilities the same > way as the first lesbian divorce from the first batch of legal Vermont > marriages is: > > Who gets the kids? > > Which one pays alimony? >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > The King tony revelations and this new show of yours are events that give > > > me a real reason to tune back in more regularly. > > > > Nothing like a little gossip to keep things going. :) > > I think the revelations, such as they are, are great. > > My cynical little brain is already concocting the scene > > for a Royal Divorce...which makes me wonder-- > > was there a Royal Pre-Nup? Curious minds and > > all that. > > > > Sal > > > > > I agree. > > Indeed, the revelation is conjuring up all sorts of possibilities the same > way as the first lesbian divorce from the first batch of legal Vermont > marriages is: > > Who gets the kids? > > Which one pays alimony? > More importantly, how do they divide up the Universe?
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That's really cool Rick. I watched all 6 of the pilot episodes, fascinating stuff. > > I watched them too. Interesting stuff.But where are the other interviews -- you said there are 7-8, if I did not misunderstand. I don't find them on youtube or the gas station site. > > Mary and George seem like sweet and sincere people. However, they seemed a little bit zombie like, there is a sort of dullness vibe. Not the vitality and glowiness that some have. Which is not a requisite marker, appearances are not the core thing here. I need to check out later editions. But I have to say that that first interview was about the most boring thing I ever listened to. I got burned listening to that never ending disclaimer that comprised the first 1/2 hr. After that, I really couldn't go on. And then listening to bits and pieces later in the interview, it didn't seem to get much better. Hopefully Rick has employed a little more pizazz into the process. > > However, I can't fully articulate it, but while they are expressing experiences -- at least partly - outside of TMO jargon, which is refreshing, their words /voices seem to lack a certain confidence, a certain lightness and sparkle. Again which has nothing to do with consciousness -- but does have to do with the opening up the flows of energy that can more abundantly infuse body, mind and spirit as inner boundaries melt away. > > And my perception of them may all be stemming from my boundaries and baggage. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Joe wrote: > > > The King tony revelations and this new show of yours are events that give > > me a real reason to tune back in more regularly. > > Nothing like a little gossip to keep things going. :) > I think the revelations, such as they are, are great. > My cynical little brain is already concocting the scene > for a Royal Divorce...which makes me wonder-- > was there a Royal Pre-Nup? Curious minds and > all that. > > Sal > I agree. Indeed, the revelation is conjuring up all sorts of possibilities the same way as the first lesbian divorce from the first batch of legal Vermont marriages is: Who gets the kids? Which one pays alimony?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > That's really cool Rick. I watched all 6 of the pilot episodes, fascinating > stuff. I watched them too. Interesting stuff.But where are the other interviews -- you said there are 7-8, if I did not misunderstand. I don't find them on youtube or the gas station site. Mary and George seem like sweet and sincere people. However, they seemed a little bit zombie like, there is a sort of dullness vibe. Not the vitality and glowiness that some have. Which is not a requisite marker, appearances are not the core thing here. However, I can't fully articulate it, but while they are expressing experiences -- at least partly - outside of TMO jargon, which is refreshing, their words /voices seem to lack a certain confidence, a certain lightness and sparkle. Again which has nothing to do with consciousness -- but does have to do with the opening up the flows of energy that can more abundantly infuse body, mind and spirit as inner boundaries melt away. And my perception of them may all be stemming from my boundaries and baggage.
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Joe wrote: > The King tony revelations and this new show of yours are events that give me > a real reason to tune back in more regularly. Nothing like a little gossip to keep things going. :) I think the revelations, such as they are, are great. My cynical little brain is already concocting the scene for a Royal Divorce...which makes me wonder-- was there a Royal Pre-Nup? Curious minds and all that. Sal
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An obvious take on all of the Paris condo stuff is that Maharishi and Tony both cognized that Heaven on Earth is simply and solely achieved by living in one of the upscale neighborhoods in Paris. And they are laughing about how long its taking us to figure that out. The fact that many cognized this before they did doesn't diminish the power of their cognition.
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That's really cool Rick. I watched all 6 of the pilot episodes, fascinating stuff. You asked all of the pertinent questions as well. Well, almost. I'm curious how George and Mary view the current TMOthe rajas and all that. And how do they view other "movements" such as Ammas. Something I've long been curious about regarding the state of "enlightenment" as described by MMY or people like George and Mary, is how does it differ from Disassociative Depersonalization Disorder as understood by modern psychology. What I mean, is how does a person who experiences the exact same phenomenon that George and Mary describe, but who does not live in FF and does not have the construct of the TMO or any movement that tells them that what they are experiencing is "good"how does it feel to them? The people in FF, who are there due to a long standing association with TM, have a common understanding that the "world falling awayeverything just vanishing" as Mary puts it.that this is a good and meaningful thing. If a plumber in Gary Indiana has the exact same experience while torqueing a lug nut one day while on the job, does he end up on meds to enable him to fully integrate back into society in the way he is accustomed to? I certainly don't know the answers to this...these are just questions. I think the premise of your program is absolutely fascinating Rick. So has the station picked it up as a regular program? If so I will watch or listen to every one. I stopped coming to FFL very often because, frankly, it had become boring to me. The King tony revelations and this new show of yours are events that give me a real reason to tune back in more regularly. Thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Joe > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:23 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > On Behalf Of Joe > > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:51 PM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > > > Granted, I've been off the scene here on FFL for many months due to > pressing > > life issues. > > > > Butcan anyone tell me what exactly happened with the money raised for > > all of those "at risk children"? I don't recall seeing any posts showing > > thousands of kids being initiated. (Again I may have missed this.I'm > the > > first to admit.") > > > > So, all that money that was raised from the huge McCartney/Starr concert > in > > NYC? Does everyone have a clear accounting of how it was used? > > Someone was telling me just last night that there have been lots of school > > programs supported by the Lynch foundation. He mentioned some in the Bay > > area. He said the movement is reluctant to publicize them because it helps > > the fundamentalists mobilize against them. > > > OK, so you "heard" something from someone who heard that there are "lots of > school programs" going on but they can't be publicized. > Nabby posted a list of DLF projects. > > That's not really the clear accounting I was hoping for Rick. How ya been > brother? > Doing good. Most fun thing is > http://www.youtube.com/user/buddhaatthegaspump. I've done 8 or 9 interviews > now, and do them weekly. Someday soon I'll be uploading a batch of them. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > You're going to think this is a goof, but it > > really isn't. If you love that idea of Jesus > > as a real person, and the "missing years of > > his life," you should follow up reading the > > book you're reading with Christopher Moore's > > "Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's > > Childhood Pal." > > Thanks. Check this out. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBU5e2HqcrA Despite a lifetime spent on the sports-fan-challenged short bus, I can nonetheless "get" how funny this is. Thanks. I shall distribute it forthwith to others who might also enjoy its humorous Grand Slam.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out
> > > > > of movement funds
> > > >
> > > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds?
> > >
> > > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement?
> >
> > Only to fund his research.
>
> And clearly when the TMO says the money is for X it surely
> goes to fund X.
>
> And since (allegedly) he spends almost all of his time in
> his private royal den doing research, funding the condo is
> directly funding research expenses.
He got the award in 1998. At that point he was still
"Professor Nader." He didn't become king for another two
years, in 2000; didn't get married for another three; and
his first kid would have been born more than a year later.
At the time of the award, he was doing studies on Vedic
Vibration therapy and seems to have been based in Vlodrop.
Point being, he probably didn't move into the condo and
start doing whatever he does there for at least five
years after the award. I doubt there's much if any
connection between the award and the condo. He had a
*big* change in status in between, from a researcher
doing actual studies (and getting a couple published), to
a monarch whose only "research" would have been doing his
program.
FWIW, here's Bevan's description of what he's doing now:
"His own role he said is to function from silence, and
from there to coordinate, to catalyze the answers to
questions we face (without being caught up in details
and specifics), and see that the flow of Maharishi's
Total Knowledge is unrestricted, and always in its
pure form."
("Catalyze" in this context sounds to me like a dog-
whistle euphemism for "cognize.")
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > You're going to think this is a goof, but it > really isn't. If you love that idea of Jesus > as a real person, and the "missing years of > his life," you should follow up reading the > book you're reading with Christopher Moore's > "Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's > Childhood Pal." Thanks. Check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBU5e2HqcrA
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > This was one of my first new age books I read some 38 years > ago, and as I can't seem to find much in the way of new reading > material, my wife wanted to buy me a book at Borders where she > gets a 30% discount (as a teacher), and so she got it for me. > I recommend it. Deals a lot with the "missing" years in the > life of Jesus. And to me, at least, it has an authentic feel. > Definitely expands the boundaries of what is considered the > traditional message of Jesus. You're going to think this is a goof, but it really isn't. If you love that idea of Jesus as a real person, and the "missing years of his life," you should follow up reading the book you're reading with Christopher Moore's "Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal." Really. It is one of the most loving, respect- ful, and hilarious books ever written about Jesus. Chris didn't change a word of the plot- line as revealed in the four more well known gospels. He just found a way to present things from a point of view that is rarely achieved in spiritual writing. He invented Josh's (Jeshua...Josh...Jesus) best friend Biff, the kid he grew up with. Imagine the story of Christ told by the only person on Earth who would not be dazzled by Jesus and tempted to glorify or iconize his story. It's really a lovely book. And full of revelations and answers to the Great Questions In Life, such as: * What to do if your kid's face suddenly appears on every loaf of bread in town? * The proper method for choosing a harlot. * How sarcasm was invented, and by whom. * This history of the martial art specifically designed for boys from Nazareth, Jewdo. * What the rough draft of the sermon on the mount sounded like. * How to tell when a vision of the Virgin Mary is a bonafide vision and when it's just elephant poop. * How bunnies came to be associated with Easter. * What the 'H' in 'Jesus H. Christ' stands for. And more. Oh, so much more...
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > Are your series of "Duh's" really called for? Seems a > > > rather rude and egotistical contribution. > > > > So deeply sorry to have offended you. > > No problem, (if above is not sarcasm. The "deeply" has me > worried though. ) "Duh" can be a friendly sort of > "both smile" friendly counter. Thats probably how you > meant it. 'Zactly. > > It's just that you sounded as though you thought folks > > here weren't already convinced that Hagelin and the TMO > > P.R. machine weren't to be trusted, and that the secrecy > > issue wasn't what they've been objecting to, when in fact > > you were preaching to the choir on these points. > > I'm slow. What can I say. > > > Did you have any other comments, or did you just want to > > find something to be offended by? > > Not offended, and not looking -- just not interested in > pursuing conversations with the rude and egotistical. But > that seems not to apply here. Excellent, thanks. High-five. > No comments to make -- we both seem to be restating the > obvious. (Even though that doesn't stop others ) Goodness knows!
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 12:22 PM, gullible fool wrote: > A spiritual teacher from the UK I know, one with a decent following and who > taught different new age techniques, and also reiki, told me he tried to > teach a workshop in France as part of a European tour and vowed never to > teach there again, after most or all of the French students kept butting in > constantly to tell him "no, you should be teaching it this way!" Perhaps the > TMO had a similar outcome. It's gotta be the toilet paper... Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > Are your series of "Duh's" really called for? Seems a > > rather rude and egotistical contribution. > > So deeply sorry to have offended you. No problem, (if above is not sarcasm. The "deeply" has me worried though. ) "Duh" can be a friendly sort of "both smile" friendly counter. Thats probably how you meant it. > > It's just that you sounded as though you thought folks > here weren't already convinced that Hagelin and the TMO > P.R. machine weren't to be trusted, and that the secrecy > issue wasn't what they've been objecting to, when in fact > you were preaching to the choir on these points. I'm slow. What can I say. > Did you have any other comments, or did you just want to > find something to be offended by? Not offended, and not looking -- just not interested in pursuing conversations with the rude and egotistical. But that seems not to apply here. No comments to make -- we both seem to be restating the obvious. (Even though that doesn't stop others ) > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > > > > > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony > > > > > > was "missing" for 8 years. > > > > > > > > > > Do we take this as gospel? > > > > > > > > Well, the Raja of the US for the Global Capital of Supreme > > > > Consciousness said it. I would hope its "gospel". If not, > > > > then JH has no credibility. > > > > > > Uh, duh. > > > > > > > If he blatently lied on this, what other areas areas topics > > > > did he lie about? And if one of the head rajas lied, then > > > > its not a stretch that other rajas (and prime ministers) are > > > > blatant liars. > > > > > > > > > Or might it have been tactical spin? > > > > > > > > Could be. But that would discredit the PR wing of the TMO. > > > > > > Double-duh! > > > > > > > And spin is a bit inaccurate in my opinion. Spin is > > > > presenting facts in an advantageous light. Lying to > > > > presenting false facts. > > > > > > Right. And...? > > > > > > > > "Well, gee, if even John Hagelin wasn't told, I don't > > > > > feel so bad that *we* weren't told." > > > > > > > > Not tactically successful if the upshot is the TMO world > > > > now sees JH as a clueless baffoon. Or if it confirms what > > > > they have suspected. > > > > > > They don't have many good choices, do they? > > > > > > > But, that may be indicative of the deep wisdom and sucess > > > > skills of the TMO: a tactical ploy that backfires and > > > > yields a much more damaging result that the "cover-up" > > > > was supposed to shelter. > > > > > > I doubt it will be more damaging among the folks > > > to whom it's directed. > > > > > > > > I'd speculate that *all* the top-level people knew, > > > > > and quite possibly a good sprinkling of lower-level > > > > > folks as well. > > > > > > > > Then the secrecy issues are all there. > > > > > > Duh again. > > > > > > > Is the TMO a group of clever, manipulative liars or merely > > > > clueless baffons. > > > > > > As you just pointed out, not so clever. But again, > > > what choice do they have at this point? > > > > > > > > > If Tony has 25 meals cooked for him, to only eat one, > > > > > > wouldn't someone notice when no one was there to eat > > > > > > such? > > > > > > > > > > For the record, the 25 meals deal is a rumor Vaj passed > > > > > on from the TM-Free blog (a hangout for very bitter TM > > > > > critics), supposedly something someone heard from > > > > > someone else who heard it "from the kitchens at Vlodrop." > > > > > > > > OK. But if we drop this "dot", the pattern is still there > > > > -- no one noticed for 8 years that the leader of the thing > > > > they have devoted their lives to was missing. Not exactly > > > > competence incarnate. > > > > > > If you think about it, the "no one noticed" notion > > > really isn't plausible. They surely knew he wasn't > > > at Vlodrop. Whether they all knew everything else > > > isn't clear, but it seems awfully likely to me. > > > > > > In any case, I just wanted to point out that this > > > particular dot is only a poorly sourced rumor, since > > > quite a few folks here seem to be taking it as > > > established fact and using it to build their cases. > > > > > > > > That isn't exactly the most reliable sourcing, yet it > > > > > too appears to have been accepted as gospel here. > > > > > > > > > I don't accept anything as gospel. But if a number of dots > > > > begin to form a close knit cluster, it begins to paint a > > > > picture. > > > > > > I don't really think we
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2 Points: The first, is that secrets are part and parcel (to use MMY's favorite phrase from the 50's) to the movement. Secret ceremony, secret mantra, secret sutras, secret advance techniques. What the hell, might as well have a secret family. I'm glad Tony has one since it might keep him more grounded in reality. It doesn't really matter to me one way or another as a Siddha. The whole raja thing to moi is just a sideshow. The second is Hagelin's so-called ignorance. If his lack of knowledge about the raja's rugrats is true until recent times, then it leads me to suspect that John, Bevan, etc., are nothing but socket puppets for those folks behind the scenes that have the real power and set policy. The TMO is a nice little money making machine for somebody and it is the ignorance and sincerity of the public figures that makes that machine attractive and run smoothly. Dedicated practitioners like myself who have a skeptical nature see through this pretense and look for the tools and services that may have some benefit, and laugh off the rest of the malarkey.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:57 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > My wife enjoys watching "House Hunters" on TV. Recently > > a 400 sq. ft. condo in Paris was selling for a little > > less than a mil. > > Which is about as big as a walk-in closet. No, it's actually a good-sized studio or a smallish one-bedroom. In any case, I doubt Lurk was suggesting Tony and family would be living in 400 sq. ft. I suspect he was suggesting that a two-floor condo for a family with two kids would cost a lot more than a million. > The King would need something about 6 times > as grand, I would imagine, if not a lot more. > > Sal >
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] > On Behalf Of Joe > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:51 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > Granted, I've been off the scene here on FFL for many months due to pressing > life issues. > > Butcan anyone tell me what exactly happened with the money raised for > all of those "at risk children"? I don't recall seeing any posts showing > thousands of kids being initiated. (Again I may have missed this.I'm the > first to admit.") > > So, all that money that was raised from the huge McCartney/Starr concert in > NYC? Does everyone have a clear accounting of how it was used? > Someone was telling me just last night that there have been lots of school > programs supported by the Lynch foundation. He mentioned some in the Bay > area. He said the movement is reluctant to publicize them because it helps > the fundamentalists mobilize against them. > OK, so you "heard" something from someone who heard that there are "lots of school programs" going on but they can't be publicized. Nabby posted a list of DLF projects. That's not really the clear accounting I was hoping for Rick. How ya been brother? Doing good. Most fun thing is http://www.youtube.com/user/buddhaatthegaspump. I've done 8 or 9 interviews now, and do them weekly. Someday soon I'll be uploading a batch of them.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > Are your series of "Duh's" really called for? Seems > > a rather rude and egotistical contribution. > > Uh huh. If you spend some time here you will see that > this is the way she interacts with others. Some people feel ill treated when their beliefs are challenged and will work pretty hard at finding such an interaction offensive.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool wrote: > > > > > As is Paris. Why Paris? The TMO seems never to have been particularly popular > in France. Probably the least TMO of European countries -- at least as far as > number of TM teachers. > > A spiritual teacher from the UK I know, one with a decent following and who > taught different new age techniques, and also reiki, told me he tried to > teach a workshop in France as part of a European tour and vowed never to > teach there again, after most or all of the French students kept butting in > constantly to tell him "no, you should be teaching it this way!" Perhaps the > TMO had a similar outcome. > > T: "Maharishi, I want with all my heart to stay in Vlodrop with you. But the > French woman I used to date now in med school now wants to marry and her > father is offering a $100 million dowry. And she will inherit a large chunk > of old money (Rothschilds?) What should I do?" > > M: "Paris" > > Wouldn't the usual movement way be to make a counteroffer and ask for a $300 > million dowry? Laugh. Very good. Touche. That would be M.'s style from what I have heard and seen. Cagey and clever, and breath takingly bold (if not embarrassingly so) if anything. > "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only > love." > > - Amma > > --- On Sun, 1/24/10, tartbrain wrote: > > > From: tartbrain > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 1:05 PM > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > > > > > of movement funds > > > > > > > > > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > > > > > > > > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? > > > > > > Only to fund his research. > > > > Which takes place in his condo. Funding to have a nice quiet place to > > work. > > > > Ah, who knows. Could be that the movement owns the condo, given the > > movements fondness for real estate. Or that he is independently wealthy. > > Or that his wife is rich. Or he gets paid a huge salary and has a mortgage > > to match. > > > > He comes from a wealthy or at least well to do family doesn't he? > > And a $million mortgage is only $5000 or so a month. Hardly a fraction of the > pay of most global CEOs. > > His wife is an interesting question mark. As is Paris. Why Paris? The TMO > seems never to have been particularly popular in France. Probably the least > TMO of European countries -- at least as far as number of TM teachers. > Perhaps his wife is from Paris. And Tony promised her he would set up home in > Paris. The condo may be more to her standards than his. And if has has such > tastes, perhaps she also has family (or stock options from a quick stint in > IPO land). All speculation -- but wife an Paris are interesting parts of the > puzzle. > > AND if he was really going to do the vedic raja thing, a huge dowry would be > mandatory. Voila. > > fly on the wall heard: > > T: "Maharishi, I want with all my heart to stay in Vlodrop with you. But the > French woman I used to date now in med school now wants to marry and her > father is offering a $100 million dowry. And she will inherit a large chunk > of old money (Rothschilds?) What should I do?" > > M: "Paris" > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > > > > of movement funds > > > > > > > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > > > > > > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? > > > > Only to fund his research. > > And clearly when the TMO says the money is for X it surely goes to fund X. > > And since (allegedly) he spends almost all of his time in his private royal > den doing research, funding the condo is directly funding research expenses. > Precisely. (OK, you get to remain Tartbrain.)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Joe > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:51 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" > > Granted, I've been off the scene here on FFL for many months due to pressing > life issues. > > Butcan anyone tell me what exactly happened with the money raised for > all of those "at risk children"? I don't recall seeing any posts showing > thousands of kids being initiated. (Again I may have missed this.I'm the > first to admit.") > > So, all that money that was raised from the huge McCartney/Starr concert in > NYC? Does everyone have a clear accounting of how it was used? > Someone was telling me just last night that there have been lots of school > programs supported by the Lynch foundation. He mentioned some in the Bay > area. He said the movement is reluctant to publicize them because it helps > the fundamentalists mobilize against them. > OK, so you "heard" something from someone who heard that there are "lots of school programs" going on but they can't be publicized. That's not really the clear accounting I was hoping for Rick. How ya been brother?
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As is Paris. Why Paris? The TMO seems never to have been particularly popular in France. Probably the least TMO of European countries -- at least as far as number of TM teachers. A spiritual teacher from the UK I know, one with a decent following and who taught different new age techniques, and also reiki, told me he tried to teach a workshop in France as part of a European tour and vowed never to teach there again, after most or all of the French students kept butting in constantly to tell him "no, you should be teaching it this way!" Perhaps the TMO had a similar outcome. T: "Maharishi, I want with all my heart to stay in Vlodrop with you. But the French woman I used to date now in med school now wants to marry and her father is offering a $100 million dowry. And she will inherit a large chunk of old money (Rothschilds?) What should I do?" M: "Paris" Wouldn't the usual movement way be to make a counteroffer and ask for a $300 million dowry? "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love." - Amma --- On Sun, 1/24/10, tartbrain wrote: From: tartbrain Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 1:05 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > > > > of movement funds > > > > > > > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > > > > > > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? > > > > Only to fund his research. > > Which takes place in his condo. Funding to have a nice quiet place to work. > > > Ah, who knows. Could be that the movement owns the condo, given the > movements fondness for real estate. Or that he is independently wealthy. Or > that his wife is rich. Or he gets paid a huge salary and has a mortgage to > match. > He comes from a wealthy or at least well to do family doesn't he? And a $million mortgage is only $5000 or so a month. Hardly a fraction of the pay of most global CEOs. His wife is an interesting question mark. As is Paris. Why Paris? The TMO seems never to have been particularly popular in France. Probably the least TMO of European countries -- at least as far as number of TM teachers. Perhaps his wife is from Paris. And Tony promised her he would set up home in Paris. The condo may be more to her standards than his. And if has has such tastes, perhaps she also has family (or stock options from a quick stint in IPO land). All speculation -- but wife an Paris are interesting parts of the puzzle. AND if he was really going to do the vedic raja thing, a huge dowry would be mandatory. Voila. fly on the wall heard: T: "Maharishi, I want with all my heart to stay in Vlodrop with you. But the French woman I used to date now in med school now wants to marry and her father is offering a $100 million dowry. And she will inherit a large chunk of old money (Rothschilds?) What should I do?" M: "Paris" To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > > > of movement funds > > > > > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > > > > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? > > Only to fund his research. How big a truck can you drive through this loophole? >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: > > > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:43 AM, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > Could be. But that would discredit the PR wing of the TMO > > > > The TMO has a "PR" wing? > > Oh. > > > > Sal > > Kind of like Sinn Fein to the IRA. Drum roll, and cymbols > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:57 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > My wife enjoys watching "House Hunters" on TV. Recently a 400 sq. ft. condo in Paris was selling for a little less than a mil. > > Which is about as big as a walk-in closet. > The King would need something about 6 times > as grand, I would imagine, if not a lot more. > > Sal Somebody has got to be on this. Enquiring minds want to know.
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This was one of my first new age books I read some 38 years ago, and as I can't seem to find much in the way of new reading material, my wife wanted to buy me a book at Borders where she gets a 30% discount (as a teacher), and so she got it for me. I recommend it. Deals a lot with the "missing" years in the life of Jesus. And to me, at least, it has an authentic feel. Definitely expands the boundaries of what is considered the traditional message of Jesus. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:53 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > > Haven't read. Right now re-reading, "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the > > Christ", and enjoying it. > > Seriously? Is this on the best-seller list in Colorado? > > Sal >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli" wrote: > > > > > > > > > As to the Global Country of World Peace I do perceive a referent to it in > > > the very subtle domains. > > > > > If you feel free to say so, exactly what do you perceive? > > > > On an extremely subtle level where we are not fully separate from each other, > I perceive pretty much conscious human activity also. > > I'm fully aware that what I perceive I interpret through the lenses of my > cultural backround and conceptual framework.This is one of the reasons I'm > cautious abut talking too much of my perceptions in these domains. > > Many of my perceptions seem to hint that some of the Purushas and Mother > Divines maybe capable of being consciously active there, as are many others > with quite different spiritual backgrounds. Here the boundaries dissolve and > differing approaches intertwine into mutually supporting network of > intelligence in many forms. Now that is interesting - that some on Mother Divine or Purusha may be able to be consciously active there. I sometimes feel I have rather cloudy access to some subtle level, and then get ideas and intuition from there. But nothing like this. It is more meaningful to hear it described without TMO jargon. Thank you. > > I have been pondering maybe the idea of Global Country of World Peace > appeared from experiences similar to mine. Other spiritual traditions have > other names for this domain. >
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:51 AM, tartbrain wrote: > Are your series of "Duh's" really called for? Seems a rather rude and > egotistical contribution. Get used to it, tart. :) Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > Though its interesting to see him living in a starving artist / writer walk-up 4th floor run-down old apt turned condo. A Henry Millesque type of dive. Somebody is already on this. Hopefully some intel has already come in about who, what, and where.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > Are your series of "Duh's" really called for? Seems a > rather rude and egotistical contribution. So deeply sorry to have offended you. It's just that you sounded as though you thought folks here weren't already convinced that Hagelin and the TMO P.R. machine weren't to be trusted, and that the secrecy issue wasn't what they've been objecting to, when in fact you were preaching to the choir on these points. Did you have any other comments, or did you just want to find something to be offended by? > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > > > > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony > > > > > was "missing" for 8 years. > > > > > > > > Do we take this as gospel? > > > > > > Well, the Raja of the US for the Global Capital of Supreme > > > Consciousness said it. I would hope its "gospel". If not, > > > then JH has no credibility. > > > > Uh, duh. > > > > > If he blatently lied on this, what other areas areas topics > > > did he lie about? And if one of the head rajas lied, then > > > its not a stretch that other rajas (and prime ministers) are > > > blatant liars. > > > > > > > Or might it have been tactical spin? > > > > > > Could be. But that would discredit the PR wing of the TMO. > > > > Double-duh! > > > > > And spin is a bit inaccurate in my opinion. Spin is > > > presenting facts in an advantageous light. Lying to > > > presenting false facts. > > > > Right. And...? > > > > > > "Well, gee, if even John Hagelin wasn't told, I don't > > > > feel so bad that *we* weren't told." > > > > > > Not tactically successful if the upshot is the TMO world > > > now sees JH as a clueless baffoon. Or if it confirms what > > > they have suspected. > > > > They don't have many good choices, do they? > > > > > But, that may be indicative of the deep wisdom and sucess > > > skills of the TMO: a tactical ploy that backfires and > > > yields a much more damaging result that the "cover-up" > > > was supposed to shelter. > > > > I doubt it will be more damaging among the folks > > to whom it's directed. > > > > > > I'd speculate that *all* the top-level people knew, > > > > and quite possibly a good sprinkling of lower-level > > > > folks as well. > > > > > > Then the secrecy issues are all there. > > > > Duh again. > > > > > Is the TMO a group of clever, manipulative liars or merely > > > clueless baffons. > > > > As you just pointed out, not so clever. But again, > > what choice do they have at this point? > > > > > > > If Tony has 25 meals cooked for him, to only eat one, > > > > > wouldn't someone notice when no one was there to eat > > > > > such? > > > > > > > > For the record, the 25 meals deal is a rumor Vaj passed > > > > on from the TM-Free blog (a hangout for very bitter TM > > > > critics), supposedly something someone heard from > > > > someone else who heard it "from the kitchens at Vlodrop." > > > > > > OK. But if we drop this "dot", the pattern is still there > > > -- no one noticed for 8 years that the leader of the thing > > > they have devoted their lives to was missing. Not exactly > > > competence incarnate. > > > > If you think about it, the "no one noticed" notion > > really isn't plausible. They surely knew he wasn't > > at Vlodrop. Whether they all knew everything else > > isn't clear, but it seems awfully likely to me. > > > > In any case, I just wanted to point out that this > > particular dot is only a poorly sourced rumor, since > > quite a few folks here seem to be taking it as > > established fact and using it to build their cases. > > > > > > That isn't exactly the most reliable sourcing, yet it > > > > too appears to have been accepted as gospel here. > > > > > > > I don't accept anything as gospel. But if a number of dots > > > begin to form a close knit cluster, it begins to paint a > > > picture. > > > > I don't really think we've got all that many dots. All > > we know is they have a potentially embarrassing situation > > that they're trying to present in the best possible light. > > > > A lot of dots don't do you much good if most of them are > > imaginary. Imaginary dots that form a pattern we'd like > > to see can be highly misleading. > > >
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Lurk: Tell me Nab. What's your take on the whole thing. Nab: Like you said; to early to tell. What we have now is rumours from FFL's rumour-monger #1 Rick Archer and supposedly e-mails from Bevan published here by... guess who (!) taken as facts by "clueless" and obsessive TMO-haters on a small blog on the Internet. Lurk: Thank you for the courtesy of a reply. It sounds like you may be a little thrown by this, at least if it turns out to be true. I mean how can you not be. This doesn't make sense, or as was said in one of the opening scenes of Avatar, "That's just wroonng"
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > > > > of movement funds > > > > > > > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > > > > > > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? > > > > Only to fund his research. > > Which takes place in his condo. Funding to have a nice quiet place to work. > > > Ah, who knows. Could be that the movement owns the condo, given the > movements fondness for real estate. Or that he is independently wealthy. Or > that his wife is rich. Or he gets paid a huge salary and has a mortgage to > match. > He comes from a wealthy or at least well to do family doesn't he? And a $million mortgage is only $5000 or so a month. Hardly a fraction of the pay of most global CEOs. His wife is an interesting question mark. As is Paris. Why Paris? The TMO seems never to have been particularly popular in France. Probably the least TMO of European countries -- at least as far as number of TM teachers. Perhaps his wife is from Paris. And Tony promised her he would set up home in Paris. The condo may be more to her standards than his. And if has has such tastes, perhaps she also has family (or stock options from a quick stint in IPO land). All speculation -- but wife an Paris are interesting parts of the puzzle. AND if he was really going to do the vedic raja thing, a huge dowry would be mandatory. Voila. fly on the wall heard: T: "Maharishi, I want with all my heart to stay in Vlodrop with you. But the French woman I used to date now in med school now wants to marry and her father is offering a $100 million dowry. And she will inherit a large chunk of old money (Rothschilds?) What should I do?" M: "Paris"
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > Are your series of "Duh's" really called for? Seems a rather rude and > egotistical contribution. > Uh huh. If you spend some time here you will see that this is the way she interacts with others. Nice to meet you tartbrain. I stop in every few months to see what the gossip is.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:58 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony > > > was "missing" for 8 years. > > > > Do we take this as gospel? > > Well, the Raja of the US for the Global Capital of Supreme Consciousness said it. Where ? In a supposedly genuine mail published on FFL by our own dear truth-seeking Rick Archer ? My source on this is reliable. I've been told I can quote Hagelin on the Purusha lifestyle thing, but not the Paris condo thing.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ruthsimplicity Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:16 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > of movement funds > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? If he was about 175 pounds that would be about three million bucks. It would buy a modest condo in good areas of Paris. Maybe he weighs more. :) He got it, but it was never clear who got to keep it.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony was > > "missing" for 8 years. > > Just to follow up, I had another look at the letter > from Bevan. He says: > > "Many may have heard some of this news, so we thought > to let you know what had unfolded." > > Could be they mostly knew he was married but not that > he had kids. Hagelin didn't say what specifically had > come as a surprise to him. > Or even the other way around. Kids fine, but married!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > Well, I guess the 'secrecy' is that Tony Nader > didn't want you and the others poking into his > personal business. Obvously I mean, this forum is replete > with anonymous informants who keep secrets all > the time. What's up with that? Not sure what you mean. Richard, obviously you see nothing wrong, or even out of the ordinary with this. So fine. You seem to be a supporter of the TMO at least in spirit, but I'm not sure if you contribute financially in any kind of significant way. Say over $100.00/yr. Do you?
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tartbrain Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:43 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" OK. But if we drop this "dot", the pattern is still there -- no one noticed for 8 years that the leader of the thing they have devoted their lives to was missing. Not exactly competence incarnate. What I've heard is that he wasn't missing altogether, but that he visited "family" in Paris a lot. Maybe people presumed he had a brother there.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony was > "missing" for 8 years. Just to follow up, I had another look at the letter from Bevan. He says: "Many may have heard some of this news, so we thought to let you know what had unfolded." Could be they mostly knew he was married but not that he had kids. Hagelin didn't say what specifically had come as a surprise to him.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > Where ? In a supposedly genuine mail published on FFL by our own dear > truth-seeking Rick Archer ? > Nabby, I know that you might not care, but do you believe that Nader is married with children?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:43 AM, tartbrain wrote: > > > Could be. But that would discredit the PR wing of the TMO > > The TMO has a "PR" wing? > Oh. > > Sal Kind of like Sinn Fein to the IRA. >
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Are your series of "Duh's" really called for? Seems a rather rude and egotistical contribution. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > > > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony > > > > was "missing" for 8 years. > > > > > > Do we take this as gospel? > > > > Well, the Raja of the US for the Global Capital of Supreme > > Consciousness said it. I would hope its "gospel". If not, > > then JH has no credibility. > > Uh, duh. > > > If he blatently lied on this, what other areas areas topics > > did he lie about? And if one of the head rajas lied, then > > its not a stretch that other rajas (and prime ministers) are > > blatant liars. > > > > > Or might it have been tactical spin? > > > > Could be. But that would discredit the PR wing of the TMO. > > Double-duh! > > > And spin is a bit inaccurate in my opinion. Spin is > > presenting facts in an advantageous light. Lying to > > presenting false facts. > > Right. And...? > > > > "Well, gee, if even John Hagelin wasn't told, I don't > > > feel so bad that *we* weren't told." > > > > Not tactically successful if the upshot is the TMO world > > now sees JH as a clueless baffoon. Or if it confirms what > > they have suspected. > > They don't have many good choices, do they? > > > But, that may be indicative of the deep wisdom and sucess > > skills of the TMO: a tactical ploy that backfires and > > yields a much more damaging result that the "cover-up" > > was supposed to shelter. > > I doubt it will be more damaging among the folks > to whom it's directed. > > > > I'd speculate that *all* the top-level people knew, > > > and quite possibly a good sprinkling of lower-level > > > folks as well. > > > > Then the secrecy issues are all there. > > Duh again. > > > Is the TMO a group of clever, manipulative liars or merely > > clueless baffons. > > As you just pointed out, not so clever. But again, > what choice do they have at this point? > > > > > If Tony has 25 meals cooked for him, to only eat one, > > > > wouldn't someone notice when no one was there to eat > > > > such? > > > > > > For the record, the 25 meals deal is a rumor Vaj passed > > > on from the TM-Free blog (a hangout for very bitter TM > > > critics), supposedly something someone heard from > > > someone else who heard it "from the kitchens at Vlodrop." > > > > OK. But if we drop this "dot", the pattern is still there > > -- no one noticed for 8 years that the leader of the thing > > they have devoted their lives to was missing. Not exactly > > competence incarnate. > > If you think about it, the "no one noticed" notion > really isn't plausible. They surely knew he wasn't > at Vlodrop. Whether they all knew everything else > isn't clear, but it seems awfully likely to me. > > In any case, I just wanted to point out that this > particular dot is only a poorly sourced rumor, since > quite a few folks here seem to be taking it as > established fact and using it to build their cases. > > > > That isn't exactly the most reliable sourcing, yet it > > > too appears to have been accepted as gospel here. > > > > > I don't accept anything as gospel. But if a number of dots > > begin to form a close knit cluster, it begins to paint a > > picture. > > I don't really think we've got all that many dots. All > we know is they have a potentially embarrassing situation > that they're trying to present in the best possible light. > > A lot of dots don't do you much good if most of them are > imaginary. Imaginary dots that form a pattern we'd like > to see can be highly misleading. >
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:45 AM, tartbrain wrote: >> >> Only to fund his research. > > And clearly when the TMO says the money is for X it surely goes to fund X. > > And since (allegedly) he spends almost all of his time in his private royal > den doing research, funding the condo is directly funding research expenses. But wither Vlodrup? Last I read a reporter's account of M at Vlodrup, the place was like a carnival. Purusha doing program all along hallways. Pandits playing Ghandarva Veda music here, Pandits chanting from the Vedas there. Who is in Vlodrup now? That place must have some significant upkeep. -- Life isn't like a bowl of cherries or peaches.. it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:07 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > have that. I'll hang in there with the Kingster > > > and wish his 3-1/2-year-old luck in "school." :-) > > > 3.5 years in old enough in the US to be in pre-school, > and isn't his oldest 5.5? So she'd be entering K anyway. One more time, folks: The only mention of the kids' schooling came from Hagelin, and what he waid was that MMY wanted the marriage kept secret until the OLDEST was in school. That would be the 5-1/2-year-old. (And as I pointed out in another post, kids can start school in France at the age of 2 years. So Tony's kids' ages are a total nonissue even if one didn't bother to read what Hagelin said with any attention. Or were hoping others didn't.)
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:45 AM, tartbrain wrote: > And clearly when the TMO says the money is for X it surely goes to fund X. > > And since (allegedly) he spends almost all of his time in his private royal > den doing research, funding the condo is directly funding research expenses. Now you're gettin' it, tart. :) Welcome to FFL by the way... really enjoying your posts. Another voice of sanity and reason. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > > > of movement funds > > > > > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > > > > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? > > Only to fund his research. Which takes place in his condo. Funding to have a nice quiet place to work. Ah, who knows. Could be that the movement owns the condo, given the movements fondness for real estate. Or that he is independently wealthy. Or that his wife is rich. Or he gets paid a huge salary and has a mortgage to match. >
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 9:43 AM, tartbrain wrote: > Could be. But that would discredit the PR wing of the TMO The TMO has a "PR" wing? Oh. Sal
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > > > of movement funds > > > > > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > > > > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? > > Only to fund his research. And clearly when the TMO says the money is for X it surely goes to fund X. And since (allegedly) he spends almost all of his time in his private royal den doing research, funding the condo is directly funding research expenses. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > > of movement funds > > > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? Only to fund his research.
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:57 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > My wife enjoys watching "House Hunters" on TV. Recently a 400 sq. ft. condo > in Paris was selling for a little less than a mil. Which is about as big as a walk-in closet. The King would need something about 6 times as grand, I would imagine, if not a lot more. Sal
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:53 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: > Haven't read. Right now re-reading, "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the > Christ", and enjoying it. Seriously? Is this on the best-seller list in Colorado? Sal
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Joe" wrote: > > Granted, I've been off the scene here on FFL for many months > due to pressing life issues. And we've missed ya, Geez. > Butcan anyone tell me what exactly happened with the money > raised for all of those "at risk children"? I don't recall > seeing any posts showing thousands of kids being initiated. My bet is that at least some of it's been going to making mortgage payments on a condo in Paris. A *lot* of it...have you priced real estate in Paris lately? We're talking two to four million Euros at a minimum. Some of it probably went to...uh...erecting Phalluses Of Invincibility around the world. Now that we know that Da King's phallus has gotten erect at least twice (presumably), putting up these towers to celebrate is far more important than teaching TM to kids. I have no insider's knowledge about this, and of course I may be wrong and "Charlie Brown and the Football" naive, but I think the DLF (David Lynch Foundation) finances are pretty well isolated and protected from TMO money vampires.
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On Jan 24, 2010, at 8:07 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > Sounds to me as if he's committed to "I've got > > mine, fuck the rest of you." > > That's what it sounds like to me. > > Now gentlemen...do you really think someone as evolved as King Tony would be that callous?:) > > True Believers will find a way to believe no > > matter what. Deep inside, there is a little voice > > that says to them, "If I doubt now, that's like > > saying that I was stupid and wasted my life. Can't > > have that. I'll hang in there with the Kingster > > and wish his 3-1/2-year-old luck in "school." :-) > > 3.5 years in old enough in the US to be in pre-school, and isn't his oldest 5.5? So she'd be entering K anyway. > That's the rough part, and where I have to feel some compassion. This is > more than a little chink in the armour, as I see it. I mean maybe they can > pull off major denial, butit's a pretty big disconnect to swallow. > > > The TB phenomenon is a strange one. As Bhairitu > > has previously reported, another instance of it > > can be seen in the *terrible* film "The Book Of > > Eli," which I watched last night. In a post- > > apocalyptic world, the whole premise of the movie > > (which one wag called "Road Warrior meets Zatoichi") > > is that if Denzel Washington manages to save one > > copy of The Bible, that'll make everything all > > better again. All I can say is that I hope that > > Denzel got paid a shitload of cash to be in this > > Christianist turkey. Thanks for heads up. This was on my list. I have to > > give it a second thought. > Wipe it off--got awful reviews. > > As for Da King, if this whole thing *does* blow up > > and he has to abdicate his imaginary throne and > > leave his imaginary kingdom in the hands of Bevan, > > the bottom line for him is still "I've got mine." > > He'll still have the condo in Paris and the wife > > and the kids. > > Yeah but now there's that whole "supporting" business... Sal
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More on "Raja Ram" Granted, I've been off the scene here on FFL for many months due to pressing life issues. Butcan anyone tell me what exactly happened with the money raised for all of those "at risk children"? I don't recall seeing any posts showing thousands of kids being initiated. (Again I may have missed this.I'm the first to admit.") So, all that money that was raised from the huge McCartney/Starr concert in NYC? Does everyone have a clear accounting of how it was used? Someone was telling me just last night that there have been lots of school programs supported by the Lynch foundation. He mentioned some in the Bay area. He said the movement is reluctant to publicize them because it helps the fundamentalists mobilize against them.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 wrote: > > > Well King Tony has a nice condo in Paris paid for out > > of movement funds > > Do we know that it's paid for out of movement funds? > Didn't he get his weight in gold from the movement? If he was about 175 pounds that would be about three million bucks. It would buy a modest condo in good areas of Paris. Maybe he weighs more. :)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony > > > was "missing" for 8 years. > > > > Do we take this as gospel? > > Well, the Raja of the US for the Global Capital of Supreme > Consciousness said it. I would hope its "gospel". If not, > then JH has no credibility. Uh, duh. > If he blatently lied on this, what other areas areas topics > did he lie about? And if one of the head rajas lied, then > its not a stretch that other rajas (and prime ministers) are > blatant liars. > > > Or might it have been tactical spin? > > Could be. But that would discredit the PR wing of the TMO. Double-duh! > And spin is a bit inaccurate in my opinion. Spin is > presenting facts in an advantageous light. Lying to > presenting false facts. Right. And...? > > "Well, gee, if even John Hagelin wasn't told, I don't > > feel so bad that *we* weren't told." > > Not tactically successful if the upshot is the TMO world > now sees JH as a clueless baffoon. Or if it confirms what > they have suspected. They don't have many good choices, do they? > But, that may be indicative of the deep wisdom and sucess > skills of the TMO: a tactical ploy that backfires and > yields a much more damaging result that the "cover-up" > was supposed to shelter. I doubt it will be more damaging among the folks to whom it's directed. > > I'd speculate that *all* the top-level people knew, > > and quite possibly a good sprinkling of lower-level > > folks as well. > > Then the secrecy issues are all there. Duh again. > Is the TMO a group of clever, manipulative liars or merely > clueless baffons. As you just pointed out, not so clever. But again, what choice do they have at this point? > > > If Tony has 25 meals cooked for him, to only eat one, > > > wouldn't someone notice when no one was there to eat > > > such? > > > > For the record, the 25 meals deal is a rumor Vaj passed > > on from the TM-Free blog (a hangout for very bitter TM > > critics), supposedly something someone heard from > > someone else who heard it "from the kitchens at Vlodrop." > > OK. But if we drop this "dot", the pattern is still there > -- no one noticed for 8 years that the leader of the thing > they have devoted their lives to was missing. Not exactly > competence incarnate. If you think about it, the "no one noticed" notion really isn't plausible. They surely knew he wasn't at Vlodrop. Whether they all knew everything else isn't clear, but it seems awfully likely to me. In any case, I just wanted to point out that this particular dot is only a poorly sourced rumor, since quite a few folks here seem to be taking it as established fact and using it to build their cases. > > That isn't exactly the most reliable sourcing, yet it > > too appears to have been accepted as gospel here. > > > I don't accept anything as gospel. But if a number of dots > begin to form a close knit cluster, it begins to paint a > picture. I don't really think we've got all that many dots. All we know is they have a potentially embarrassing situation that they're trying to present in the best possible light. A lot of dots don't do you much good if most of them are imaginary. Imaginary dots that form a pattern we'd like to see can be highly misleading.
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> Hmm. I didn't realize this was such a "subtle thing". For me it's > just a shift in perception, like deciding to tune in on a different > conversation while at a noisy party. I've always called it the "party > line", a reference to the time when telephony was very expensive. An > entire neighborhood of houses shared the same phone line. The phone > would ring at only one house, but the conversation was carried over > the single line that joined all the houses in the neighborhood. If > you wanted to make a call, you'd have to pick up the phone and see if > there was a conversation already on it. This also allowed for > evesdropping. There is a level in my perception where everybody's > thinking. I suspect this is the level of telepathy and perhaps > intuition, as you can have a conversation with many others by just > thinking and receiving the thoughts of others. > > What I'm talking about is not about a shift of perception as changing from one channel to the other in the flow of the mind's chattering. It is something that I perceive going on the more subtle, very silent levels. This level I can perceive also simultaneously as I active on grosser levels and am also having gross level thoughts appearing. And most of it I don't perceive as thoughts. It is more like packages of ideas zipped, images, influences and very subtle flows of energy and sensations, I don't consiously initiate myself at all.
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Irmeli wrote: > > > On an extremely subtle level where we are not fully separate from each other, > I perceive pretty much conscious human activity also. > > I'm fully aware that what I perceive I interpret through the lenses of my > cultural backround and conceptual framework.This is one of the reasons I'm > cautious abut talking too much of my perceptions in these domains. > > Many of my perceptions seem to hint that some of the Purushas and Mother > Divines maybe capable of being consciously active there, as are many others > with quite different spiritual backgrounds. Here the boundaries dissolve and > differing approaches intertwine into mutually supporting network of > intelligence in many forms. > > I have been pondering maybe the idea of Global Country of World Peace > appeared from experiences similar to mine. Other spiritual traditions have > other names for this domain. > Hmm. I didn't realize this was such a "subtle thing". For me it's just a shift in perception, like deciding to tune in on a different conversation while at a noisy party. I've always called it the "party line", a reference to the time when telephony was very expensive. An entire neighborhood of houses shared the same phone line. The phone would ring at only one house, but the conversation was carried over the single line that joined all the houses in the neighborhood. If you wanted to make a call, you'd have to pick up the phone and see if there was a conversation already on it. This also allowed for evesdropping. There is a level in my perception where everybody's thinking. I suspect this is the level of telepathy and perhaps intuition, as you can have a conversation with many others by just thinking and receiving the thoughts of others. -- Life isn't like a bowl of cherries or peaches.. it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > wrote: > > > > > My bet is that at least some of it's been > > > going to making mortgage payments on a condo > > > in Paris. A *lot* of it...have you priced > > > real estate in Paris lately? We're talking > > > two to four million Euros at a minimum. > > > > My wife enjoys watching "House Hunters" on TV. Recently a > > 400 sq. ft. condo in Paris was selling for a little less > > than a mil. > > Location, location, location. Not in the 7th > or the 1st or the 16th arrondisements, which > are the only places a "king" would consider > living. Probably so. Though I am guessing that Tony thinks that even Versaille is not regal enough. Though its interesting to see him living in a starving artist / writer walk-up 4th floor run-down old apt turned condo. A Henry Millesque type of dive. One bedroom apartments in the 7th sell > for over a million Euros. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony > > > was "missing" for 8 years. > > > > Do we take this as gospel? > > Well, the Raja of the US for the Global Capital of Supreme Consciousness said > it. Where ? In a supposedly genuine mail published on FFL by our own dear truth-seeking Rick Archer ?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > > > For those who feel themselves > > > betrayed I would like to make the > > > question: Do you expect someone you > > > have been accepting as your king to > > > be developmentally at the same level > > > as you are? > > > > lurk: > > You think you have some idea of who a > > guy is, and the reality appears to be > > quite different... > > > Maybe so, but apparently hardly anyone > in the TM Movement ever spent any quality > time with the Maharishi or Tony Nader, > with the exception of Deepak Chopra, who > sat with the Maharishi on two occasions > when nobody else was around. > > Ned Wynn spent four years taking courses > in India, Spain, and Italy, and he spent > less than five minutes alone with the > Maharishi in all that time! Did ned state this in his book? It just doesn't ring true to me. On one course Ned was the doorman and he got me two different 5-min private meetings with M. -- for pretty small things. Ned was around him 24/7 ish. That he never spent 5 min alone with M doesn't fit my perception of how things were in those days. Regardless, did I mention he was around M 24 /7? > > So, I'd say that nobody in the TM Movement > really knew the Maharishi and less so, > Tony Nader, except maybe Nandakishore. Thats funny -- most people just have to close their eyes to know M. And hopefully, after 50 years of practice, you don't need to always close your eyes to Be There. > So, it's no surprise that Tony was absent > from the movement for eight years. For the > last ten years in Vlodrop, I heard that > the Maharishi saw nobody in person, except > his own two assistants, and that all voice > communication with movement leaders was > carried out with notepads, telephones and > video conferencing. > > You've spent what, zero time in the direct > company of the Maharishi. And you've > probably never even met Tony Nader in > person. Go figure. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > > My bet is that at least some of it's been > > going to making mortgage payments on a condo > > in Paris. A *lot* of it...have you priced > > real estate in Paris lately? We're talking > > two to four million Euros at a minimum. > > My wife enjoys watching "House Hunters" on TV. Recently a > 400 sq. ft. condo in Paris was selling for a little less > than a mil. Location, location, location. Not in the 7th or the 1st or the 16th arrondisements, which are the only places a "king" would consider living. One bedroom apartments in the 7th sell for over a million Euros.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > From where I stand, I find the whole situation rather amusing, > because I > > > have no skin in this game. But if I did have skin in the game, I > think > > > I would find a lot to be disturbed about. Namely, > > > > > > Where has my money been going? > > > > See the enormous expansion in photos and videos from around the world > here: > > http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc-archive.html > > > > > > > There was the perception that Tony's life was solely dedicated to > "The > > > Knowledge" > > > > Who says he is not ? Perhaps he is > > > > > > > There was the perception that Tony, as the designated successor to > MMY > > > was likely committed to the ideal of bramacharya > > > > Said who, when ? Tis true. I'm just not sure it this was on anyone's > radar > > > > > > > The fact that the leader of the movement is living in a two story > condo > > > is Paris has got to give people pause as to what he is really > committed > > > to. > > > > Do you believe everything you read on the Internet ? No, but your > point is Are you saying the story isn't true? I waited a while > before I commented on the story to see if there was any corroborating > facts, and there seemed to be some. Time will tell I guess. > > > > > > > > You have to wonder if the story was about to break and so the > disclosure > > > was made under the guise of "children being of school age". > > > > In your fantasy only. Your threshold for credibility may be different > than mine > > > > > > > > No doubt, I would feel betrayed. > > > > Why ? Tell me Nab. What's your take on the whole thing. Like you said; to early to tell. What we have now is rumours from FFL's rumour-monger #1 Rick Archer and supposedly e-mails from Bevan published here by... guess who (!) taken as facts by "clueless" and obsessive TMO-haters on a small blog on the Internet.
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> > Maybe you didn't understand the term 'raja'. > > All the Rajas in Indian history have been > > secular, with the exception of maybe the > > King Bhoja. > > lurk: > It's the secrecy of it. What's up with that? > Well, I guess the 'secrecy' is that Tony Nader didn't want you and the others poking into his personal business. I mean, this forum is replete with anonymous informants who keep secrets all the time. What's up with that?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony > > was "missing" for 8 years. > > Do we take this as gospel? Well, the Raja of the US for the Global Capital of Supreme Consciousness said it. I would hope its "gospel". If not, then JH has no credibility. If he blatently lied on this, what other areas areas topics did he lie about? And if one of the head rajas lied, then its not a stretch that other rajas (and prime ministers) are blatant liars. > > Or might it have been tactical spin? Could be. But that would discredit the PR wing of the TMO. And spin is a bit inaccurate in my opinion. Spin is presenting facts in an advantageous light. Lying to presenting false facts. > "Well, gee, if even John Hagelin wasn't told, I don't > feel so bad that *we* weren't told." Not tactically successful if the upshot is the TMO world now sees JH as a clueless baffoon. Or if it confirms what they have suspected. But, that may be indicative of the deep wisdom and sucess skills of the TMO: a tactical ploy that backfires and yields a much more damaging result that the "cover-up" was supposed to shelter. > I'd speculate that *all* the top-level people knew, > and quite possibly a good sprinkling of lower-level > folks as well. Then the secrecy issues are all there. Is the TMO a group of clever, manipulative liars or merely clueless baffons. > > If Tony has 25 meals cooked for him, to only eat one, > > wouldn't someone notice when no one was there to eat > > such? > > For the record, the 25 meals deal is a rumor Vaj passed > on from the TM-Free blog (a hangout for very bitter TM > critics), supposedly something someone heard from > someone else who heard it "from the kitchens at Vlodrop." OK. But if we drop this "dot", the pattern is still there -- no one noticed for 8 years that the leader of the thing they have devoted their lives to was missing. Not exactly competence incarnate. > That isn't exactly the most reliable sourcing, yet it > too appears to have been accepted as gospel here. > I don't accept anything as gospel. But if a number of dots begin to form a close knit cluster, it begins to paint a picture.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli" wrote: > > > > > As to the Global Country of World Peace I do perceive a referent to it in > > the very subtle domains. > > > If you feel free to say so, exactly what do you perceive? > On an extremely subtle level where we are not fully separate from each other, I perceive pretty much conscious human activity also. I'm fully aware that what I perceive I interpret through the lenses of my cultural backround and conceptual framework.This is one of the reasons I'm cautious abut talking too much of my perceptions in these domains. Many of my perceptions seem to hint that some of the Purushas and Mother Divines maybe capable of being consciously active there, as are many others with quite different spiritual backgrounds. Here the boundaries dissolve and differing approaches intertwine into mutually supporting network of intelligence in many forms. I have been pondering maybe the idea of Global Country of World Peace appeared from experiences similar to mine. Other spiritual traditions have other names for this domain.
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> > For those who feel themselves > > betrayed I would like to make the > > question: Do you expect someone you > > have been accepting as your king to > > be developmentally at the same level > > as you are? > > lurk: > You think you have some idea of who a > guy is, and the reality appears to be > quite different... > Maybe so, but apparently hardly anyone in the TM Movement ever spent any quality time with the Maharishi or Tony Nader, with the exception of Deepak Chopra, who sat with the Maharishi on two occasions when nobody else was around. Ned Wynn spent four years taking courses in India, Spain, and Italy, and he spent less than five minutes alone with the Maharishi in all that time! So, I'd say that nobody in the TM Movement really knew the Maharishi and less so, Tony Nader, except maybe Nandakishore. So, it's no surprise that Tony was absent from the movement for eight years. For the last ten years in Vlodrop, I heard that the Maharishi saw nobody in person, except his own two assistants, and that all voice communication with movement leaders was carried out with notepads, telephones and video conferencing. You've spent what, zero time in the direct company of the Maharishi. And you've probably never even met Tony Nader in person. Go figure.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > > > > > The secrecy. The secrecy. > > > > From > > what I've read, just about the only celibate > > in the TMO was Miss Pittman. > > Agree. But the perception was otherwise. > > > > Everyone now knows, thanks to the informants > > on FFL, that almost everyone in the movement, > > up to, and including the Maharishi himself, > > has been following tantric principles ever > > since Majorraca days, if not before. > > That light of day can really be a bitch Perhaps we need a TMO richter scale: which of the ongoing flow of shocks had or are having the greatest impact. 1) Tony Secrecy 2) Maharishi was quite ordinarily mortal (living to be 200 would have been impressive eve if not immortal) 3) Maharishi apparently had regular sexual relations with students and staff. 4) Where id the money go? 5) The Kaplin bros -- close to the center -- major funders -- totally bailed. 6) With the coherence finally passing critical threshold the world economy falls apart. 7) the raja thing 8) damn democracy 9) the massive ostentatious of the TMO 10) Jerry, Charlie and others getting booted I have missed many. But Tony secrecy doesn't seem to me to be a bigger shock than some of the above. But then I see cluelessness where others see secrecy. Cluelessness -- the lights on but no one's home -- while it may not be "shocking", it does clearly confirms the vacuuousness of it all.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain wrote: > > Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably > in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony > was "missing" for 8 years. Do we take this as gospel? Or might it have been tactical spin? "Well, gee, if even John Hagelin wasn't told, I don't feel so bad that *we* weren't told." I'd speculate that *all* the top-level people knew, and quite possibly a good sprinkling of lower-level folks as well. > If Tony has 25 meals cooked for him, to only eat one, > wouldn't someone notice when no one was there to eat > such? For the record, the 25 meals deal is a rumor Vaj passed on from the TM-Free blog (a hangout for very bitter TM critics), supposedly something someone heard from someone else who heard it "from the kitchens at Vlodrop." That isn't exactly the most reliable sourcing, yet it too appears to have been accepted as gospel here.
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Nab, Really, I think a Dale Cargnegie course would help some. I realize that it is "lesser knowledge" type stuff. But maybe you could learn some different techniques in trying to get your points across. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 no_reply@ wrote: > > > > Simply asking "where has the money gone?" will get your dome badge revoked. > > I certainly hope so though I'm not convinced it's a fact. We certainly don't need more idiots in the Dome. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > > > From where I stand, I find the whole situation rather amusing, because I > > have no skin in this game. But if I did have skin in the game, I think > > I would find a lot to be disturbed about. Namely, > > > > Where has my money been going? > > See the enormous expansion in photos and videos from around the world here: > http://www.maharishichannel.in/archives/gfc-archive.html > > > > There was the perception that Tony's life was solely dedicated to "The > > Knowledge" > > Who says he is not ? Perhaps he is > > > > There was the perception that Tony, as the designated successor to MMY > > was likely committed to the ideal of bramacharya > > Said who, when ? Tis true. I'm just not sure it this was on anyone's radar > > > > The fact that the leader of the movement is living in a two story condo > > is Paris has got to give people pause as to what he is really committed > > to. > > Do you believe everything you read on the Internet ? No, but your point is Are you saying the story isn't true? I waited a while before I commented on the story to see if there was any corroborating facts, and there seemed to be some. Time will tell I guess. > > > > > You have to wonder if the story was about to break and so the disclosure > > was made under the guise of "children being of school age". > > In your fantasy only. Your threshold for credibility may be different than mine > > > > > No doubt, I would feel betrayed. > > Why ? Tell me Nab. What's your take on the whole thing. >
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> My bet is that at least some of it's been > going to making mortgage payments on a condo > in Paris. A *lot* of it...have you priced > real estate in Paris lately? We're talking > two to four million Euros at a minimum. My wife enjoys watching "House Hunters" on TV. Recently a 400 sq. ft. condo in Paris was selling for a little less than a mil. > > Some of it probably went to...uh...erecting > Phalluses Of Invincibility around the world. > Now that we know that Da King's phallus has > gotten erect at least twice (presumably), > putting up these towers to celebrate is far > more important than teaching TM to kids. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > lurk: > > Where has my money been going...? > > > Your money - who said you gave the Maharishi > any money? I don't even see your name on the > list of teachers in good standing at the > TM Center in Fairfield. What's up with that Capture the nuance Richard. I was putting myself in their place, and speculating. > > There was the perception that Tony's life > > was solely dedicated to "The Knowledge" > > > Maybe you didn't understand the term 'raja'. > All the Rajas in Indian history have been > secular, with the exception of maybe the > King Bhoja. No problem with that Richard. It's the secrecy of it. What's up with that? > Almost all the teachers in the Vedic > Tradition are householders. There's probably > not a single monk who was once a ruling > official in ancient India. Even the Lord > Narayana himself was married and had a > family, likewise Shukra and Buddha, etc. The secrecy. The secrecy. > > > I don't see how the movement recovers > > from this... > > > You sound really upset, and nosey. Truth in advertising is all. > > Apparently you bought into the whole guru > cult - or, you're just highly suggestible. Yes, I kind of did/was for a while > > Why would you think that any of the TMO > 'rajas' are practicing 'bramacharya'? It > doesn't even make any sense - having a > family that meditates is Natural Law. From > what I've read, just about the only celibate > in the TMO was Miss Pittman. Agree. But the perception was otherwise. > > Everyone now knows, thanks to the informants > on FFL, that almost everyone in the movement, > up to, and including the Maharishi himself, > has been following tantric principles ever > since Majorraca days, if not before. That light of day can really be a bitch > > Haven't you read Ned Wynn's book yet? Go > figure. Haven't read. Right now re-reading, "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ", and enjoying it. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" wrote: > > As was brought up by someone earlier. The secrecy of it. The secrecy is > disturbing. You think you have some idea of who a guy is, and the reality > appears to be quite different. I am amazed by the inverse of secrecy: cluelessness at the highest levels. That is, hiding something you know is secrecy. Not being aware of the obvious is cluelessness. Haiglin said he was surprised -- the us raja, presumably in the inner of innermost circles -- had no idea Tony was "missing" for 8 years. Wasn't Tony supposed to have been caring for MMY 24/7 in the last year or two of his life? Wasn't Tony assumed to be living at MMY's vastu log cabin palace? Did Tony do a Ferris Bueler routine in faking being home? If Tony has 25 meals cooked for him, to only eat one, wouldn't someone notice when no one was there to eat such? Don't all the rajas meet with, see, interact with Tony? Didn't it dawn on them that they didn't see Tony much for 8 years. That Haiglin and presumably most other rajas as well as staff at the global capital had no idea that Tony was spending most of his time in Paris is massive cluelessness. Thats more surprising and disconcerting than secrecy. Would a TB be more concerned that a secrecy prone org was being secretive -- or that its top leaders, allegedly swimming in the home of all knowledge, were totally clueless?
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lurk: > Where has my money been going...? > Your money - who said you gave the Maharishi any money? I don't even see your name on the list of teachers in good standing at the TM Center in Fairfield. What's up with that? > There was the perception that Tony's life > was solely dedicated to "The Knowledge" > Maybe you didn't understand the term 'raja'. All the Rajas in Indian history have been secular, with the exception of maybe the King Bhoja. Almost all the teachers in the Vedic Tradition are householders. There's probably not a single monk who was once a ruling official in ancient India. Even the Lord Narayana himself was married and had a family, likewise Shukra and Buddha, etc. > I don't see how the movement recovers > from this... > You sound really upset, and nosey. Apparently you bought into the whole guru cult - or, you're just highly suggestible. Why would you think that any of the TMO 'rajas' are practicing 'bramacharya'? It doesn't even make any sense - having a family that meditates is Natural Law. From what I've read, just about the only celibate in the TMO was Miss Pittman. Everyone now knows, thanks to the informants on FFL, that almost everyone in the movement, up to, and including the Maharishi himself, has been following tantric principles ever since Majorraca days, if not before. Haven't you read Ned Wynn's book yet? Go figure.
