[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/21/05 7:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > But if the beach is loaded with people throwing back starfish, > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread Jason Spock
      RâmâKrishnâ Pâramâhamsâ said, "Service to man is service to Gôd."  All religious traditions including the Védic traditions speak highly about Sévâ.       My TM-initiator says, a devotee of Mâharishi in indiâ helped Mâharishi a lot financially during the very early days

[FairfieldLife] God: Autobiographical Fragments from the Bhagavad Gita

2005-12-22 Thread sanjulag
This was put togetehr by me. Hope it is enjoyed. = God: Autobiographical Fragments from the Bhagavad Gita = The Bhagavad Gita consists of seven hundred verses. Out of these, a massive 574 have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Vaj
On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:36 PM, braaahmaan wrote:Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If its useful, fine, if not move on and go with whatever enlightenment proclaiming, thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal not practice teaching, hypocritical, plagarizing, neo-trandy-satsang-gi

Re: [FairfieldLife] the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Vaj
On Dec 21, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Peter wrote:I bet someplace, somewhere, there's a jivan mukta blazing in the  brilliance of Brahman who would miserably fail this "test."  Strictly speaking jivanmukti is a different state of consciousness than Brahman consciousness. Brahman consciousness is videha-mu

[FairfieldLife] Re: God: Autobiographical Fragments from the Bhagavad Gita

2005-12-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sanjulag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This was put togetehr by me. Hope it is enjoyed. Really, really well done! A great example of God in everything. Thanks for posting this. > = > God: Autobiographi

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:36 PM, braaahmaan wrote: > > > Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If its useful, fine, if > > not move on and go with whatever enlightenment proclaiming, > > thin-skinned, easily insulted,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Peter
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:36 PM, braaahmaan wrote: > > > Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If > its useful, fine, if > > not move on and go with whatever enlightenment > proclaiming, > > thin-skinned, easily insulted, unaccountable, goal > not prac

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and minor "gurus". > > To me, it reads more like a "Test of Characteristics I Don't Thin

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Excellent list. Could be use

Re: [FairfieldLife] God: Autobiographical Fragments from the Bhagavad Gita

2005-12-22 Thread Peter
Really good job! The understanding of adversity promoting Realization is excellent and something that has always been lacking in the TMO. SSRS talks about adversity and how it promotes Realization by forcing the individual to surrender to God. He also talks about how problems force you to step outs

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:36 PM, braaahmaan wrote: > > > > > Ok then.Its certainly not a mandatory thing. If > > its useful, fine, if > > > not move on and go with whatever e

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply. > And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" point, which MMY > gives liberally to others but not himself, He didn't object to being called "Maharishi," ma

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify > applying the "opulence" criterion, for example. Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on the Movement's Boeing 707 (now sold), ridden in his Bentley? -

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply. > > And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" point, which MMY > > gives liberally to others but not himself, or the "questionable

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Vaj
On Dec 22, 2005, at 9:51 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply.   And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" point, which MMY  gives liberally to others but not himself, or the "questionable  linneage" point, as the jyotir math shankar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Vaj
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify applying the "opulence" criterion, for example. Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on the Movement's Boeing 707 (now s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday

2005-12-22 Thread lupidus108
I was present when Maharishi talked about the future in terms of teachers leaving him. He described two signs to look for: 1) Strong verbal "devotion" to Guru Dev. 2) Starting to use other pictures of Guru Dev than the one he choose for Puja. It's already happening. Like everything else Maha

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Certainly these points might be applied to cult leaders but not to a guru. To my understanding a true guru has no need to be a guru, it is the seeker that has the need for the guru. Therefore a clear test for a guru might better be how much or how little are followers sought or needed by them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/21/05 7:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > > > > But if the beach is loaded with people throwing back starfish, and > > you know of an isolated cove that no-one goes to where a rare > > starfis

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply. > > And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" point, which MMY > > g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 12/21/05 7:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday

2005-12-22 Thread Peter
Welcome back Lups! Where you been, boyo? --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was present when Maharishi talked about the future > in terms of > teachers leaving him. He described two signs to look > for: > 1) Strong verbal "devotion" to Guru Dev. > 2) Starting to use other pictures o

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify > >> applying the "opulence" criterio

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Peter
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably > justify > > applying the "opulence" criterion, for example. > > Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on > the Movement's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.?? on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:       Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ.  Nobody knows what happened to the pension fund.  Nobody has recieved his pension fund.   Same thing happ

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since basically what he "preaches" is Neoadvaita with a > little Patanjali and Kashmir Shaivism mixed in as well as Dharma > shastra, perhaps a clearer way to look at this one is does he teach > effective Advaita vedanta

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Peter
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "markmeredith2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan > <[EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ. Nobody > > knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved h

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify > > applying the "opulence" criterion, for example. > > Have you ever been in his private su

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Seems to me #s 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Vaj
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:24 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since basically what he "preaches" is Neoadvaita  with a   little Patanjali and Kashmir Shaivism mixed in as well as Dharma   shastra, perhaps a clearer way to look at this one

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Since basically what he "preaches" is Neoadvaita with a > > little Patanjali and Kashmir Shaivism mixed in as well as Dharma > > shast

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:24 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > > Since basically what he "preaches" is Neoadvaita with a > > > >> little Pata

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Pension was deducted from the salaries of all ini

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably justify > > applying the "opulence" criterion, for example. > > Have you ever been in his private su

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Certainly these points might be applied to cult leaders but not to a > guru. To my understanding a true guru has no need to be a guru, it is > the seeker that has the need for the guru. Therefore a clear

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For #4, clearly M. gives an intro path and then talks on big "E" > but never gives the full path, esp. regarding the finer techniques > for realization, which are simply missing. Unless the techniques he teaches are in thems

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Pension was deducted from the salaries of all in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday

2005-12-22 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Welcome back Lups! Where you been, boyo? Just been throughly fed up at all the garbage in here that's all :-) > > --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I was present when Maharishi talked about the future > > i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was present when Maharishi talked about the future in terms of > teachers leaving him. He described two signs to look for: > 1) Strong verbal "devotion" to Guru Dev. > 2) Starting to use other pictures of Guru De

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday

2005-12-22 Thread Peter
--- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Welcome back Lups! Where you been, boyo? > > Just been throughly fed up at all the garbage in > here that's all :-) Well, come on in! There are a good number of tasty

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > on 12/22/05 8:51 AM, markmeredith2002

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Welcome back Lups! Where you been, boyo? > > > > Just been throughly fed up

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For #4, clearly M. gives an intro path and then talks on big "E" > > but never gives the full path, esp. regarding the finer techniques >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Peter
I just realized that this whole discussion of a "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru? No, not as they are written. They are simply an attempt by a mind to position itself in relationship to a narrative it likes regarding gurus. They

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday

2005-12-22 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I was present when Maharishi talked about the future in terms of > > teachers leaving him. He described two signs to look for: >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason S

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Arche

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > <[EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Vaj
On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:42 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For #4, clearly M. gives an intro path and then talks on big "E"  but never gives the full path, esp. regarding the finer techniques  for realization, which are simply missing. Un

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all > these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru? > No, not as they are written. They are simply an > attempt by a m

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:42 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> For #4, clearly M. gives an intro path and then talks on big "E" > >> but never gives

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/22/05 10:21 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on >> the Movement's Boeing 707 >> (now sold), ridden in his Bentley? > > > Do you have proof, Mr. Archer? ;-) Yes to the suite and the Bentley. Never rode in the jet, but I heard it wa

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > "false" guru is nonsense. For you I presume. An analysis of its applicability for your life. Or are you making a universal truth claim? > Of what purpose are all > these

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread Sal Sunshine
How do you figure that? Down's Syndrome is a rare condition. So if we were to focus efforts on saving the ones that have it, while at the same time ignoring more common maladies and conditions, this would go towards ensuring survival of the species? That seems to be what you're saying, and it do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some may see these statements of mine as those of an idealogue or > uncaring soul. A bit of my personal financial history over the last > ten years: > > -Gave away a house now worth ~750K following my divorce. Didn

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Where can I get an IKEA Boeing 707? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/22/05 10:00 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I can't figure out

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > > "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all > > these criteria? Are these to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How do you figure that? Down's Syndrome is a rare condition. So if we > were to focus efforts on saving the ones that have it, while at the > same time ignoring more common maladies and conditions, this would g

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > I just realized that this whole discussion

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
This "doctor's" post does reflect some deep levels of phychological immaturity and distored logic. Please tell me he is not a real doctor, with real patients. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTEC

[FairfieldLife] Hoo Ray!

2005-12-22 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Hoo Ray! FFL has been reassigned to the Spirituality category. This means that it can now be found through searches in Yahoo Groups, the RSS feed works again, etc. A wonderful member here found the right people at Yahoo and got it done. We’ll divulge more details later if it is advisabl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Vaj
On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:39 PM, braaahmaan wrote:I think the shanks are honored that way. And the Dali Lama who is viewed as an incarnation of Buddha (yes?)No, he is an incarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama but his primary past life recall is of the life of the "Great Fifth" Dalai lama. He is consider

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all > these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru? > No, not as they are written. They are simply an > attempt by a mi

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread dr_h_bloom_fieldoflove
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > "false" guru is nonsense. I hope your enlightenment "realization" was more substantive and profound. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoo Ray!

2005-12-22 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FFL has been reassigned to the Spirituality category. This means that it can > now be found through searches in Yahoo Groups, the RSS feed works again, > etc. A wonderful member here found the right people at Yahoo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday

2005-12-22 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was present when Maharishi talked about the future in terms of > teachers leaving him. He described two signs to look for: > 1) Strong verbal "devotion" to Guru Dev. > 2) Starting to use other pic

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread dr_h_bloom_fieldoflove
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The false guru criteria have nothing to do with wishing for a perfect > guru and disparages noone in particular. I find them to be a fairly > common sense approach to evaluating the field of spiritual teachers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroup

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all > these criteria? Are these to be used to select a guru? > No, not as they are written. They are simply an > attempt by a mi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Observing Guru Dev's Birthday

2005-12-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Welcome back Lups! Where you been, boyo? > > Just been throughly fed up at all the garbage in here that's all :-) > > I'm just

[FairfieldLife] MUM student blogs

2005-12-22 Thread bbrigante
Students launch blogs on campus life What's it like to be a student at Maharishi University? Three students are blogging about it. Paul's blog paulnotpeter.typepad.com Agata's blog agata.typepad.com Esteban's blog esteban.typepad.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??

2005-12-22 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ. Nobody > > knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved h

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where can I get an IKEA Boeing 707? I was wondering the same thing. The new IKEA in Montpellier carries only Airbus planes. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wr

[FairfieldLife] Another crisis in scorpionland

2005-12-22 Thread bbrigante
http://www.adelphia.net/news/read.php?id=12442599&ps=1012&lang=en Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > > "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all > > these criteria? Are these t

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM student blogs

2005-12-22 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Students launch blogs on campus life > What's it like to be a student at Maharishi University? > > Three students are blogging about it. > > Paul's blog paulnotpeter.typepad.com > Agata's blog agata.typepad.com >

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > > "false" guru is nonsense. Of what purpose are all > > these criteria? Are these

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM student blogs

2005-12-22 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Students launch blogs on campus life > > What's it like to be a student at Maharishi University? > > > > Three students are blog

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:39 PM, braaahmaan wrote: > > > I think the shanks are honored that way. And the Dali Lama who is > > viewed as an incarnation of Buddha (yes?) > > No, he is an incarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama but

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread a_non_moose_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I just realized that this whole discussion of a > > "false" guru is nonsense. > > > For you I presume. An analysis of its applicability fo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Vaj
On Dec 22, 2005, at 6:01 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:39 PM, braaahmaan wrote: I think the shanks are honored that way. And the Dali Lama who is viewed as an incarnation of Buddha (yes?) No, he is an incar

[FairfieldLife] For Braaaman

2005-12-22 Thread shempmcgurk
Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory August 17, 2005 | Issue 41•33 KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. S

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Braaaman

2005-12-22 Thread braaahmaan
Good one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' > Theory > August 17, 2005 | Issue 41•33 > > KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in > public schools con

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/22/05 10:21 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on > >> the Movement's Boeing 707 > >> (now sold), ridden in his Bentley? > > > > > > Do you have pro

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hoo Ray!

2005-12-22 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FFL has been reassigned to the Spirituality category. This means that it can > now be found through searches in Yahoo Groups, the RSS feed works again, > etc. A wonderful member here found the right people at Yahoo

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 22, 2005, at 6:01 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Dec 22, 2005, at 12:39 PM, braaahmaan wrote: > >> > >>> I think the shanks are

[FairfieldLife] Scorpions in debt

2005-12-22 Thread bbrigante
"In recent months, the British economy has started to show signs of stagnancy: Interest rates are rising, adjustable-rate mortgage payments are increasing, consumer confidence is down, and retailers are reporting a disappointing holiday season, Penn says." http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/20

[FairfieldLife] Saranam CEO replies regarding quality of $1.00 pujas

2005-12-22 Thread coshlnx
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (regarding new puja program at http://www.saranam.com $12/mo for pujas at all festival days, approximately 15/mo, yearly program. Thank you for your mail. I understand the concerns of your friend and will try to address them as b

[FairfieldLife] Group Settings

2005-12-22 Thread Rick Archer
In order to prevent a repeat of the incident in which apparently, Tom Pall uploaded a bunch of x-rated photos and then notified Yahoo that our chat had x-rated photos, thus causing our reclassification to the adult category, we have limited all members to read-only access for files, photos, links,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/22/05 7:10 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> on 12/22/05 10:21 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever been in his private suite? Flown on the Movement's Boeing 707

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/22/05 7:10 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> on 12/22/05 10:21 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 12/22/05 7:10 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> on 12/22/05 10:21 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maharishi walked away from middle class life after he left college, > to live a simple life, sleeping on the ground outside Guru Dev's > door. After Guru Dev died, MMY lived in a cave for a while, then was > inspired

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