[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... That's a stretch. Many translations of the First Noble Truth have it as Life is suffering, but that's not related in any way to God, since they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sama-dhi

2006-03-13 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has also referred to samadhi as the samhita of rishi, devata and chhandas. Well, samaadhi is combination of sam + aa + dhi. The last component (dhi) is a noun derived from the root dhaa (to put); saMhita is actually

[FairfieldLife] Albatross and transcending

2006-03-13 Thread cardemaister
A young lady told me sometime in the 70's that after a couple of months of doing TM, she once was sitting in a park listening to radio. When Fleetwood Mac's Albatross started playing, she all of a sudden transcended all the way down, or stuff. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... That's a stretch. Many translations of the First Noble Truth have it as Life

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread claudiouk
The really problematic dimension of suffering is not personal (if one can indeed become detached from internal desire or aversion) - it is interpersonal. Try being detatched whilst your loved ones are being tortured... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The really problematic dimension of suffering is not personal (if one can indeed become detached from internal desire or aversion) - it is interpersonal. Try being detatched whilst your loved ones are being

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The really problematic dimension of suffering is not personal (if one can indeed become detached from internal desire or aversion) - it is interpersonal. Try being detatched whilst your loved ones are being

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: The really problematic dimension of suffering is not personal (if one can indeed become detached from internal desire or aversion) - it is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: The really problematic dimension of suffering is not personal (if one can indeed become detached from internal desire or aversion) - it is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One emotion there is however that I don't easily experience and that is getting hurt of something someone says to me. Often I may not even observe the insult, or if I observe I may react by getting furious and

[FairfieldLife] UP

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
You think Sanskrit is confusing with its multiple meanings for the same word? Here's a rant about the almost infinite number of meanings of a common English word... :-) There is a two-letter word that possibly has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is UP. It's easy to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:41 AM, sparaig wrote: Of course, we TBers wanna know WHY you're insisting on adding layers of complexity to simplicity... Yeah SCI was real succinct. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: One emotion there is however that I don't easily experience and that is getting hurt of something someone says to me. Often I may

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing a non-dual form of quiescence/transcendence meditation, there will--by it's very nature always be not only some dualism

[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-13 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at the end of the month. Such an incredible talent. A veritable

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... That's a stretch. Many translations of the First Noble Truth have it as Life is suffering, but that's not related in any way to God, since they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... That's a stretch. Many translations of the First Noble Truth have it as Life is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] True, but not necessarily sad, if you mean they're not experiencing transcendental consciousness by itself. If the process never becomes automatic,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing a non-dual form of quiescence/transcendence meditation, there will--by it's very nature

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: The really problematic dimension of suffering is not personal (if one can indeed become detached from internal desire or aversion) - it is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:41 AM, sparaig wrote: Of course, we TBers wanna know WHY you're insisting on adding layers of complexity to simplicity... Yeah SCI was real succinct. SCI isn't about the *technique* per se.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing a non-dual form of quiescence/transcendence

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:50 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: In any event, the point here is that unless one is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... That's a stretch. Many translations of the First Noble Truth have it as Life is suffering, but that's not related in any way to God, since they don't believe in one. To say life is suffering implies there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism... That's a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In the Buddhist view, the richest, most successful person in the world, living in a perfectly-aligned S-V house but still attached to his desires, will be lost in suffering. Whereas the poor person who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sama-dhi

2006-03-13 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: MMY has also referred to samadhi as the samhita of rishi, devata and chhandas. Well, samaadhi is combination of sam + aa + dhi. The last

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The person who is convinced that there is something that 'prevents' their

[FairfieldLife] (unknown)

2006-03-13 Thread Hindu Sher
Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:41 AM, sparaig wrote: Of course, we TBers wanna know WHY you're insisting on adding layers of complexity to simplicity... Yeah SCI was real succinct. Seemed that way to me then (1974-ish), and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] True, but not necessarily sad, if you mean they're not experiencing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But then, if you did understand, you wouldn't have the opportunity to express scorn and contempt for those who haven't yet achieved the realization, and that's much more important to you than intellectual honesty.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip In the Buddhist view, the richest, most successful person in the world, living in a perfectly-aligned S-V house but still attached to his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: The really problematic dimension of suffering is not personal (if one can

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:50 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip But then, if you did understand, you wouldn't have the opportunity to express scorn and contempt for those who haven't yet achieved the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:41 AM, sparaig wrote: Of course, we TBers wanna know WHY you're insisting on adding layers of complexity to simplicity...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 10:49 AM, sparaig wrote: Essentially the same thing, although as already noted the technique can continue beyond where TM would normally go, essentially expanding the gap for extended periods of time. Afflictive emotional states tend to subside as well as negative

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip But then, if you did understand, you wouldn't have the opportunity to express

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 10:49 AM, sparaig wrote: Essentially the same thing, although as already noted the technique can continue beyond where TM would normally go, essentially expanding the gap for extended periods

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] True, but

[FairfieldLife] New Sexy Sadie Story

2006-03-13 Thread anonyff
The other account I got at a Ramtha retreat from a woman I came to know. (She sat next to me for the whole event and was my partner for psychic exercises.) This is a woman who is high-up in the Ramtha movement. Ramtha calls her Old Woman because he says she was like his grandmother in another

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip In the Buddhist view, the richest, most successful person in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip But then, if you did understand, you wouldn't have the opportunity to express

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 2:41 AM, sparaig wrote: Of course, we TBers wanna know WHY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip But then,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At one point, clergypersons were required... Just as a suggestion, doncha think 'clergy' avoids the gender issue just fine, and without sounding so politically correct and silly? ...to take the SCI course before they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: At one point, clergypersons were required... Just as a suggestion, doncha think 'clergy' avoids the gender issue just fine, and without sounding

[FairfieldLife] 'Osama Escapes Tora Bora/Bush Claims Helped Re-election...'

2006-03-13 Thread Robert Gimbel
You remember Osama put out a statement; One week before the last election: Sometimes things happen in a strange ways; To affect world politics in vast ways; By small acts of individuals and decisions made.R.Gimbel Seattle,WA. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What, me whine? LOL. Now you've done it. Now I've got an image running through my mind of Mad magazine's Alfred E. Newman with a pair of glasses on his nose, searching for them everywhere while whining about them being

Re: [FairfieldLife] UP

2006-03-13 Thread Sal Sunshine
And for the rest of us to lighten UP. Sal On Mar 13, 2006, at 5:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: One could go on and on, but I'll wrap it UP, for now my time is UP, and it's time to shut UP.

[FairfieldLife] 'Maharishi on Samahdhi'

2006-03-13 Thread Robert Gimbel
Samhadhi means settled intellect, Settled down, to experience the: Extreme value of devotion; Lost in the awareness of devotion. Where the self is realized, Where wholeness is fully awake.. It is influencing everything at this level; It is beyond relative existence. Ideal is realized

[FairfieldLife] Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread shempmcgurk
Barry: Apropos of our discussion regarding effortless meditation and where I asked you to give me the names of the meditation techniques that you claimed were effortless practises (the same as or even more effortless as TM, you subsequently claimed). You couldn't -- or wouldn't! -- give me

[FairfieldLife] Beginning of satya-yuga aka kRta-yuga?

2006-03-13 Thread cardemaister
Bhaagavata-puraaNa (Shriimad Bhaagavatam): SB 12.2.24: When the moon, the sun and BRhaspatî are together in the constellation KarkaTa, and all three enter simultaneously into the lunar mansion PuSy⠗ at that exact moment the age of Satya, or KRta, will begin. yadâ candraú ca sûryaú ca tathâ

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: What, me whine? LOL. Now you've done it. Now I've got an image running through my mind of Mad magazine's Alfred E. Newman with a pair of glasses

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry: Apropos of our discussion regarding effortless meditation and where I asked you to give me the names of the meditation techniques that you claimed were effortless practises (the same as or even more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Barry: Apropos of our discussion regarding effortless meditation and where I asked you to give me the names of the meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck with your detective work, although I can't help but think that if you were actually serious about wanting to know about another technique of meditation to learn yourself, you'd have been looking closer to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Good luck with your detective work, although I can't help but think that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip In other words, I was correct about your intent in this matter when you first brought all this up, and you lied about that intent when I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip In other words, I was correct about your intent in this matter

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: In other words, I was correct about your intent in this matter when you first brought all this up, and you lied about that intent when I called

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beginning of satya-yuga aka kRta-yuga?

2006-03-13 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhaagavata-puraaNa (Shriimad Bhaagavatam): SB 12.2.24: When the moon, the sun and BRhaspatî are together in the constellation KarkaTa, and all three enter simultaneously into the lunar mansion PuSy⠗ at that

[FairfieldLife] Experience of Devatas

2006-03-13 Thread bbrigante
Global Press Conference: February 8, 2006 Dr. Hagelin: Thank you very much, Maharishi: Maharishi spoke last week about how Veda and Vedic literature is the text of Total Natural Law, the Constitution of the Universe. Maharishi also said that through Transcendental Meditation, the text of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Good luck with your detective work, although I can't help but think that if you were actually serious about wanting to know about another

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip

[FairfieldLife] 6K hog lot on Jeff County borderline

2006-03-13 Thread bbrigante
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip In other words, I was correct about your intent in this matter

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: In other words, I was correct about your intent in this matter when

[FairfieldLife] Re: Donovan coming to MUM for award

2006-03-13 Thread Mike Hutchinson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hot off the unofficial press - Donovan coming to MUM to perform at the end of the month. I like his live album from 66 or so Donovan in Concert it's kind of jazzy/hippy with bongoes, flute, bass cello ... it's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 6:38 PM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, but as I say, effortlessness in the TM sense *can't* be an expectation. You can only expect *something*, you can't expect *nothing*. Or to put it another way, any expectation of effortlessness that you might have wouldn't be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you describe in a bit more detail the effortless technique you claim you learned there? Glad to. It was a walking meditation that involved paying attention to what was going on internally and externally.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Could you describe in a bit more detail the effortless technique you claim you learned there? Glad to. It was a walking meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6K hog lot on Jeff County borderline

2006-03-13 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ottumwacourier.com/local/local_story_069231917.html Here's a new kind of farm that people might like: wind farms. Upstate New York Farms Begin Raising New Crop: Electricity From Windmills By ANTHONY DePALMA

[FairfieldLife] MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread Rick Archer
An MUM staffer says that Bevan and lawyers are putting quite a bit into the lawsuit against MUM brought by the parents of Levi Butler. The suit draws a bigger line to include other TM organizations besides MUM; the two families make claims against the techniques too. A lawyer who helps MUM with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-13 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there is a big confusion of what evolution actually means. Here some biological definitions: Evolution: The long-term process through which a population of organisms accumulates genetic changes that

Re: [FairfieldLife] MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: An MUM staffer says that Bevan and lawyers are putting quite a bit into the lawsuit against MUM brought by the parents of Levi Butler. The suit draws a bigger line to include other TM organizations besides MUM; the two families make

[FairfieldLife] Re: 6K hog lot on Jeff County borderline

2006-03-13 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.ottumwacourier.com/local/local_story_069231917.html Here's a new kind of farm that people might like: wind farms. Upstate New York

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread hyperbolicgeometry
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure Consciousness, Self-awareness), occurs for you regardless of the amount of effort, excellent. Having exposed the primary goal, the question of effort is important in

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: An MUM staffer says that Bevan and lawyers are putting quite a bit into the lawsuit against MUM brought by the parents of Levi Butler. The suit draws a bigger line

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/13/06 9:41 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one person is to blame for this tragedy. For example, I imagine that the parents of Sem wish, in retrospect, thatthey had never let him go far from home to go to college when he had a history (didn't he?) of mental illness.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/13/06 9:41 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one person is to blame for this tragedy. For example, I imagine that the parents of Sem wish, in retrospect, thatthey had never let him go far from

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: An MUM staffer says that Bevan and lawyers are putting quite a bit into the lawsuit against

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fatigue of the Non-Self

2006-03-13 Thread gullible fool
It must have been a different year, Rick, because MMY was not at South Fallsburg in person at any time during my three-month stay. I remember a capitol lady telling all the citizens that MMY had just *called* the governors and told them they would all be hovering the next summer. I believe MMY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 6:38 PM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, but as I say, effortlessness in the TM sense *can't* be an expectation. You can only expect *something*, you can't expect *nothing*. Or to put it another way,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Could you describe in a bit more detail the effortless

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An MUM staffer says that Bevan and lawyers are putting quite a bit into the lawsuit against MUM brought by the parents of Levi Butler. The suit draws a bigger line to include other TM organizations besides MUM; the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure Consciousness, Self-awareness), occurs for you regardless of the amount of

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/13/06 9:41 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one person is to blame for this tragedy. For example, I imagine that the parents of Sem wish, in retrospect, thatthey had never let him go far from

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: An MUM staffer says that Bevan and lawyers are putting quite a bit into the lawsuit against MUM brought by the parents of Levi Butler. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: An MUM staffer says that Bevan and lawyers are putting quite a bit

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